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Pellissier
2007-05-26, 11:41
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Okay, since poor Tsukasa was cut off sharply in the preview, we're left with little to guess on.
But a few things:
- Miyuki's "manly" other side
- Kagamin trying out Kona's manga
- Akira backlash on Shirashi for taking her pigtail role (TWIN DORIRU!)
- According to the official website (which just had a Shirashi section open), Shirashi would be revealing his likes and dislikes soon.
- More of Izumi-chi-chi
- Whatever happened to Kagamin's goldfish?
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-26, 12:50
Since the preview was barely a preview I'm going to guess at what happens:
- Konata beats the British Distance Runner at the sports festival
- Miyuki is traumatized by the dentist and then faints when she sees a Shin
Getter Robo 2 model that Konata is carrying.
- Kagami FINALLY takes up sumo wrestling at the sports festival and wears a fat
suit that perfectly resembles her fat version from last episode.
- Tsukasa does something so Moe the entire universe melts.
- Akira starts to talk and I come in with a foam bat and proceed to beat on her
for a minute and a half.
- Yui borrows a gun steals a car tries to run but she can't get far. In the Ghetto.
- Teach gets sunburnt while trying to get a tan and has to find a way to cope
with the pain.
- Minoru grows a pair and joins me in foam batting Akira.
- Minoru grows a pair and joins me in foam batting Akira.
It would be insanely funny and very interesting if the Akira-Minoru complex gradually grows completely backwards and by the end Minoru finds himself ordering Akira around. Then he foam bats her.
DJ_RockmanX
2007-05-26, 13:21
- Tsukasa does something so Moe the entire universe melts.
I look forward to something like this. :heh:
Deathkillz
2007-05-26, 13:44
- Tsukasa does something so Moe the entire universe melts.
wait! this would be such a nightmare if it happened :eyebrow: kagami is going to save the day with her sumo skills XD
Tsukasa does something so Moe the entire universe melts.
Hum along to her Canon ringtone?
raven_tker
2007-05-26, 20:03
maybe the super short preview was their way of saying "We don't have anything to show so let's end it on a humorous note!"
Also hello everyone, this being my first post as a user here.
maybe the super short preview was their way of saying "We don't have anything to show so let's end it on a humorous note!"
It was a parody of all the other shows that do/have done something similar. (ex. Bleach early eps) Just that it would be logically Tsukasa who would end up in that situation.
Daniel E.
2007-05-26, 22:04
Because of other downloads, I have been watching the last few episodes really, really late. I feel a little tempted to watch it RAW this week. :p
WanderingKnight
2007-05-26, 22:28
It was a parody of all the other shows that do/have done something similar. (ex. Bleach early eps) Just that it would be logically Tsukasa who would end up in that situation.
WHY!? Just WHY do you people try to find references in every single frame to other stuff?!
They put a short preview because they fucking wanted to. It's ridiculous to link it with some other show, because it's something extremely generic, it's not something particularly characteristic of a specific series/manga/whatever. There are shows with shorter previews than that, or with no preview at all.
People need to realize that being a show with many references doesn't mean that everything is a reference to something else.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-26, 22:47
WHY!? Just WHY do you people try to find references in every single frame to other stuff?!
They put a short preview because they fucking wanted to. It's ridiculous to link it with some other show, because it's something extremely generic, it's not something particularly characteristic of a specific series/manga/whatever. There are shows with shorter previews than that, or with no preview at all.
People need to realize that being a show with many references doesn't mean that everything is a reference to something else.
They did a short preview because Haruhi...wait hold on..:confused:..wait.....okay it was a homage to er...that one episode of Haruhi where they didn't do the opening and...aw screw it.
@wanderingknight: I feel your aggravation :) --- the series actually does get most of its material from the manga after all (outside of the explicit references) and much of the stuff is just part of nostalgic japanese school culture. I remember wasting a lot of time on the usenet-animaniacs forum deciding whether or what something was referencing (and often it was a layered reference).
Of course, the animaniacs people were intentionally layering things. The difficulty with Lucky*Star is that it adapting source manga material and is already immersed in standard cultural artifacts and common directing techniques.
It aggravates me more seeing others get into a hissy fit about it than the actual people who see references in everything... I know it's silly to see references that aren't there but it would be a lot nicer to just point out that it's probably not a reference instead of blowing up at it. There's a difference between letting someone know they've made a mistake and making them feel like they're stupid.
Now... I'm so disappointed I won't be able to download and watch the ep 'till later this week. :(
I wonder if at some point Tsukasa will be able to do the preview with enough time... or maybe she'll have time to spare at some point, but won't know what to say :p.
Hum along to her Canon ringtone?
MOEeeeeee~*mouth foams*
WHY!? Just WHY do you people try to find references in every single frame to other stuff?!
I'll just say I feel like this too~
They put a short preview because they fucking wanted to. It's ridiculous to link it with some other show, because it's something extremely generic, it's not something particularly characteristic of a specific series/manga/whatever. There are shows with shorter previews than that, or with no preview at all.
You would be right about people looking everywhere... except that the lines are exactly the same. Beside, it's a style parody since they showed absolutely nothing. It's not a specific reference to any series. There are other ways to do parody beside referencing something specific.
Konata-chan
2007-05-27, 10:10
Episode 8 2ch discussion
It's Konata's birthday?! I How did they skip several months? (Her birthday is 5/28)
ETA: I think what the 2ch people are referring to is the fact that her birthday is today in Japan. Sorry guys, false alarm.
ETA2: ED is "Monkey Magic?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5G43c_GRug&mode=related&search=)
MakubeX2
2007-05-27, 10:18
Episode 8 2ch discussion
It's Konata's birthday?! I How did they skip several months? (Her birthday is 5/28)
I'm afraid that there's nothing about Kona's birthday in this Ep. Summer's over and it's the school's sports day.
Soujiro make his official debut in this Ep.
I'm begining to understand why this episode is titled as such now looking at Miyuki's advantage......
MakubeX2
2007-05-27, 10:31
I'm afraid music isn't one of your talents, Tsukasa. And even if you are born first, you're not destined to be the smart one.
That's was pretty fast for that Newtype issue and yes, I've read your article, Kona. Now cool it.
A big part of this episode is the sport festival
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Cameo (you have seen her in the OP)
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Que pasa?
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I'm begining to understand why this episode is titled as such now looking at Miyuki's advantage......
yeap
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z3phyr.mp3
2007-05-27, 10:53
ETA2: ED is "Monkey Magic?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5G43c_GRug&mode=related&search=)
wow...
i like that song ever since i played it in osu tatakai 2...
who'll be singing this???
i guess it konata's singing this... am i right?
MakubeX2
2007-05-27, 10:56
Said Newtype article by Kona :-
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archanfels
2007-05-27, 11:38
A big part of this episode is the sport festival
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Cameo (you have seen her in the OP)
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Que pasa?
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NEED... MORE... KAGAMI
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-27, 12:12
A big part of this episode is the sport festival
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Cameo (you have seen her in the OP)
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Que pasa?
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yeap
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Row One is Konata beating the British Distance Runner
Row Two is Kyoto Animation misspelling its own name while trying to airbrush over Konami's (We Love Lolis Used To Love Shooters)in Track & Field for the NES, Row Three some Loli falls on her ass
Row Four some pedophile takes a picture of Tsukasa wailing
Row Five its Miyuki by a breast
Row Six Tsukasa making the universe explode
Row Seven Blah
Row Eight, that's me with the foam bat coming onscreen.
So of my predictions I'm 3.75 for 8 (or something) for the rows (When I combine two together to get it almost right, but not quite enough for 4 predictions). My predicition was Tsukasa falling on her ass and then the universe melting when she wailed, but not so much. FANSERVICE!
Also for the NES Parody:
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Track & Field on the left and Kyonani (that's right they got bought out by a Haruhi character and changed their name) on the right. I mean good lord you can even see where they airbrushed over Konami because the fonts different with the "y". Come On Guy's, you turned the M into an N and moved the K to the left even changed them to lower case, EVEN changed the color of the screen, but you can't get rid of the other n! And it's apparently a registered trademark too so...... anyway I'm only kidding because this is the company that is famous for it's legendary attention to detail, but they slip up every now and then obviously like all of us. I'm dead certain its a mistake and not a Haruhi reference because it doesn't even make any sense that way, but it does if it says KyoAni, which it doesn't blahblahblah :eyespin:.
NEED... MORE... KAGAMI
There are a fair amount of Kagami, don't worry about that.
She is seen trying to eat the bread hanging from a string. (remember that scene with Osaka? Quite similar deal.)
Looking at the screenshots in Random Curiosity (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/05/27/lucky-star-08/), I recognized a couple of covers of H-Manga during Konata's book browsing; Namida by Iio Tetsuaki and Emotion by Cuvie.
Oh, Konata, what are you looking for? :heh:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-27, 13:23
Looking at the screenshots in Random Curiosity (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/05/27/lucky-star-08/), I recognized a couple of covers of H-Manga during Konata's book browsing; Namida by Iio Tetsuaki and Emotion by Cuvie.
Oh, Konata, what are you looking for? :heh:
Hey Konata bought Shuffle from Kadokawa Shoten and the lastest issue of NewType, let's all go out and do the same.
Oh well the rest of the episode looks like a whole lot of fun, but I am really getting tired of these Kadokawa product pushes, really really tired. It's almost surpassed the Pizza Hut thing in Code Geass at this point.
Apparently the pedophile guy is actually Konata's father. FINALLY! I wonder if they actually let him speak this time or if he's just there in the background leering at the girls.
This Random Curiousity entry gives me mixed feelings about the episode, mostly good feelings though. If they'd just drop the product placement I'd like this series a whole lot more then I already do. Heck if they'd just stop doing it every episode I would be cool. At least they broadened the reference catalogue a little bit this episode though. Plus if the product placement isn't in context and just a picture I can't really garner much from it. They have occassionally poked fun at their own stuff in the past so who knows, they might not even be pushing it this time and could be using it as material for jokes.
Konata-chan
2007-05-27, 13:44
Hey Konata bought Shuffle from Kadokawa Shoten and the lastest issue of NewType, let's all go out and do the same.
Oh well the rest of the episode looks like a whole lot of fun, but I am really getting tired of these Kadokawa product pushes, really really tired. It's almost surpassed the Pizza Hut thing in Code Geass at this point.
Apparently the pedophile guy is actually Konata's father. FINALLY! I wonder if they actually let him speak this time or if he's just there in the background leering at the girls.
Konata's dad actually talks in this episode, though I'll wait for the sub to figure out what he actually said.
I'm actually glad that Lucky Star did a product placement for El Cazador. That show needs more love.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-27, 14:00
Konata's dad actually talks in this episode, though I'll wait for the sub to figure out what he actually said.
I'm actually glad that Lucky Star did a product placement for El Cazador. That show needs more love.
Yeah it is good to see them expanding their placements. If they absolutely need to have them there at least they are giving some help to shows that need it for a change.
I'm also glad to hear that they let Konata's father talk, though I may never picture Daba Myroad the same way again after this episode.
Meophist
2007-05-27, 14:09
Part of the episode is focused on Konata's dad, so…
Hey Konata bought Shuffle from Kadokawa Shoten and the lastest issue of NewType, let's all go out and do the same.Actually, Newtype appears because Konata's postcard(?) finally makes it in. She actually buys Shuffle (vol 5) and something Haruhi (don't know specifically which). (One of these leads to a joke but I won't spoil it.)
Oh well the rest of the episode looks like a whole lot of fun, but I am really getting tired of these Kadokawa product pushes, really really tired. It's almost surpassed the Pizza Hut thing in Code Geass at this point.
Plus if the product placement isn't in context and just a picture I can't really garner much from it. They have occassionally poked fun at their own stuff in the past so who knows, they might not even be pushing it this time and could be using it as material for jokes.Right, and how else would they emphasize that Konata is a otaku without having her look at (popular) otaku products? Also, Kadokawa isn't some niche group that is trying to push their wares. They publish a large number of popular products. Sure, they could spend the money and get other companies popular products like Death Note or Nodame, or they could just go with the group that is helping to produce the show that is going to give them the rights to use it cheap.
WanderingKnight
2007-05-27, 14:32
Whew, just watched it.
Stuff from the raw:
- Wonderful animation for the relay race, and the finishing was just hilarious.
- I couldn't understand why Konata was so happy about that magazine (was a letter of her included in the edition?), but it was funny nonetheless.
- Moe moment of the week: Tsukasa playing the flute (though the world didn't melt, Kaioshin-kun, but it certainly got warmer :heh:).
- Lucky Channel this week was pure win. Looks like they tried to exaggerate a lot more Akira's bipolarity by making her throw around random angry darts.
Yes, Skane, I copied your posting style! :p
Just watched the raw and one warning. The sport festival part is actually shorter, focusing on some of the characters' quirks (like Konata's otaku-fueled mind or Miyuki's... ample attributes). Therefore, lower your expectations a bit if the sport festival is what you were really looking for. The karaoke part felt longer and Konata barely had 10 secs to sing, the instrumental introduction being on the long side of the spectrum.
I'll wait for the subs before a definitive judgement.
Ohmygod Newtype with Heroic Age cover.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-27, 16:53
I've added Konata's dad to the characters and seiyuus page (http://hashihime.atspace.com/etc/luckystar/charseiyuus.html). The first bit was funny. When she saw him on TV saying he was out to support his daughter, she said, sitting at home: "So where's your daughter, dad?"
Miyuki's win by unfair advantage, hackneyed as the idea is, was done very well, I thought. And I liked the determined way she ran. The whole relay race was indeed well put together. I also liked Tsukasa's Manabi moment, when she went chipmunk-cheeked and droop-lipped trying to play the recorder.
I liked some of the little visual tricks, I guess from the storyboard: the long direct view of the top of Konata's head at the start of the race, and the heads of KKandT at the bottom of the frame as they walked down the school hallway. Episode direction and storyboard by Takao Touko (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=38647), a KyoAni key animator (name sounds female) who has directed/storyboarded episodes of Kanon (#17) and this show (#2).
I thought "Kyonani" worked well for "Konami" in the game. I liked it that on the board, Konata was listed for the 100 metres and Shiraishi for the 5 metre dash. The cool things about the Shuffle! comic were that she found she already had it (sound familiar?), and then that she realized happily she could use it to spread the word. She's such a happy, optimistic soul.
lol, first time I saw that the running speed in T&F is in cm/s. Who on earth uses that?
WanderingKnight
2007-05-27, 17:34
lol, first time I saw that the running speed in T&F is in cm/s. Who on earth uses that?
Like, every country other than the US, Canada, the UK and Australia ;)
ROTF at the scratching the buttons and the genius ruler trick :D, wonder if anyone actually did that.
ROTF at the scratching the buttons and the genius ruler trick :D, wonder if anyone actually did that.
I only did the glue tube trick (almost the same thing as the coin trick).
Wavedash
2007-05-27, 18:31
I used my fingernails as said "coin". Works great with the first and second fingers if you just rub them across the button back and forth.
Ahem. Decent episode. My Japanese isn't good enough to understand everything, but with visual gags like Konata's dad getting dragged away by the chaperones even I could enjoy.
CrowKenobi
2007-05-27, 19:15
I just watched the raw and was entertained by the episode by the visuals alone! ;) (and some guesses to the dialog)
The sports festival was a blast and Kagami's 'accidents' were fun to watch. Miyuki's race was really animated well and you just had to expect that kind of finish! :heh: (and she and Nayuki have something in common!) :p
Konata has good taste in Haruhi products as she was buying the official fanbook! :)
One thing I'd also like to comment about this episode is the many, many opportunities for avatars and signatures that can be made from it. :D
:cool:
btw, this ep is a '9' before I even see the subs! :eyespin:
Kyonani? Unintentional misspelling or a reference to Kyon? :heh:
Hmm...
I am guessing it is a wordplay on the short for Kyoto Animation and Konami.
Also for the NES Parody:
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7634/kyonaniandtrackfieldof0.th.jpg
Track & Field on the left and Kyonani (that's right they got bought out by a Haruhi character and changed their name) on the right. I mean good lord you can even see where they airbrushed over Konami because the fonts different with the "y". Come On Guy's, you turned the M into an N and moved the K to the left even changed them to lower case, EVEN changed the color of the screen, but you can't get rid of the other n! And it's apparently a registered trademark too so...... anyway I'm only kidding because this is the company that is famous for it's legendary attention to detail, but they slip up every now and then obviously like all of us. I'm dead certain its a mistake and not a Haruhi reference because it doesn't even make any sense that way, but it does if it says KyoAni, which it doesn't blahblahblah :eyespin:.
The game they used is called Hyper Olympic, which is the Japanese version of Track and Field. The lower case part is correct.
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7499/hyperolympichw6.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hyperolympichw6.jpg)
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-27, 21:54
Kyonani? Unintentional misspelling or a reference to Kyon?....And maybe also Kyo-"what?" (nani in jp). Anyway, a nice-sounding riff on "Konami." "Kyonami" would have been too close, perhaps. Whatever it is, it is one of those standard shifts of a brand name, like Somy or Camon, isn't it?
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-27, 22:37
Kyonani? Unintentional misspelling or a reference to Kyon? :heh:
Hmm...
The first one, though it did give me fodder for a sig.
Is it just me, or did some of the "female" voices in this episode sound very... "manly"? Specifically, one of the girls during the Baton Relay, and the woman whose bag got entangled with a man's one.
I'm not talking about guttural tones here, or otherwise gruff-sounding women, but a VERY low pitch that is just not normal for most women unless they have been on steroids or something.
Yes?
Dark Wing
2007-05-28, 01:11
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8365/11802791553703c72pv9.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11802791553703c72pv9.jpg)
lmao many sayings can be born form this one Screen Shot...:D
"Behold the power of moe!" or "The moe is strong in this one..."
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-28, 01:28
Is it just me, or did some of the "female" voices in this episode sound very... "manly"? Specifically, one of the girls during the Baton Relay, and the woman whose bag got entangled with a man's one. I'm not talking about guttural tones here, or otherwise gruff-sounding women, but a VERY low pitch that is just not normal for most women unless they have been on steroids or something. Yes?According to the end credits, Kujira (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=3581)did twelve different female roles in this show (runners, women in kitchen, female passerby, etc.). She is Obaba in Nagasarete Airandou, and was Madame DuBarry in the Rose of Versailles Movie and Orochimaru in Naruto. Tachiki Fumihiko (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=1465) did six different roles (announcer, male passerby, etc.). He was Gendou Ikari is NGE, Victor in Angelique, etc.
According to the end credits, Kujira (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=3581)did twelve different female roles in this show (runners, women in kitchen, female passerby, etc.). She is Obaba in Nagasarete Airandou, and was Madame DuBarry in the Rose of Versailles Movie and Orochimaru in Naruto. Tachiki Fumihiko (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=1465) did six different roles (announcer, male passerby, etc.). He was Gendou Ikari is NGE, Victor in Angelique, etc.
GOOD GRIEF.
The VA was really a female? I am at a loss for words. It sounded too much like falsetto to me.
:eek:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 02:01
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/8365/11802791553703c72pv9.th.jpg (http://img185.imageshack.us/my.php?image=11802791553703c72pv9.jpg)
lmao many sayings can be born form this one Screen Shot...:D
"Behold the power of moe!" or "The moe is strong in this one..."
I told you, the universe appears to melt in this episode as a result of too much Moe. I had a dream that prophesized it.
Like, every country other than the US, Canada, the UK and Australia ;)
nah, that's km/h ( = 100 cm / 3600 s ) or at most m/s, but never cm/s
Typically, track as I recall is measured in m/s .... however, I've seen quite a few measurements in Japan using cm/s (and cm) ... after all, its just 'x 100' and means you don't have to mess with a decimal point.
07:04 ~ 07:08
Kiddy Grade reference? I don't remember exactly Lumiere's (the very first character, officially, voiced by Aya, when she was 14) catch-phrase but was something like that (something like "woman should behave elegantly" onnanokowa eleganto ni)
Wah, couldn't resist; had to download the raw.
The overall animation style is noticeably different from other episodes. At least in the beginning of the episode it seemed so. Like at 4:23, everyone doesn't look in their normal proportions... But it definitely gets better (or I got used to it) as the episode progressed.
Still want that insert song that plays during the race. Got the instrumental version this time, which is just as good as the vocal version that played in that earlier episode... Is it just not released yet, like how the full version of "Motteke! Sailor Fuku" wasn't released until just last week? (I'm not requesting a link; just asking if it's merely available.)
And I don't recall if Tsukasa's worn those overalls before, but at 11:39 definitely screams Ayu.
<3 Kanon
z3phyr.mp3
2007-05-28, 05:24
And I don't recall if Tsukasa's worn those overalls before, but at 11:39 definitely screams Ayu.
<3 Kanon
i believe tsukasa wore that same outfit before already... it was episode 2 i believe... and i also thought ayu the first time i saw her in that outfit...
you may also notice that kagami wore that same polo + tie before...
it just goes to show that kyoani is making it more realistic by showing them wear their clothes again... and not just wearing it once and we'll never get to see that outfit again...
MakubeX2
2007-05-28, 06:41
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3874/1180350129737ak7.th.jpg (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1180350129737ak7.jpg)
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3874/1180350129737ak7.th.jpg (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1180350129737ak7.jpg)
Will someone be kind enough to host this image on another imagehosting site such as yourPix (http://www.yourpix.org/) or something? I can't see anything from ImageShack these past few days. :(
MakubeX2
2007-05-28, 06:58
Will someone be kind enough to host this image on another imagehosting site such as yourPix (http://www.yourpix.org/) or something? I can't see anything from ImageShack these past few days. :(
http://i15.tinypic.com/5x4u9n9.jpg
Kinny Riddle
2007-05-28, 08:38
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/3874/1180350129737ak7.th.jpg (http://img296.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1180350129737ak7.jpg)
Saitama Prefecture - Izumi Konata - Age 17
A tribute to Lucky Channel, the short special as well as radio programme of Lucky Star, and to its Super Idol with a powerful personality - Kogami Akira-san.
(Picture caption - Would like to see more of Shiraishi-kun in action. )
Happy Birthday, Kona-chan!
This is one of the shows where I can watch the screenshot and still be able enjoy myself without fear of getting spoilt silly, for there's nothing to spoil. I've pretty much made up my mind about the episode, but I'll still watch it first.
I'm pretty sure Kona-chan's dad took pictures of schoolgirls for a living. :heh:
And Kagami with short-hair - :love:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 11:22
;966296']07:04 ~ 07:08
Kiddy Grade reference? I don't remember exactly Lumiere's (the very first character, officially, voiced by Aya, when she was 14) catch-phrase but was something like that (something like "woman should behave elegantly" onnanokowa eleganto ni)
I think if anything that was a reference to the last episode with Maramite thing, and we'd stretching even for that.
Wah, couldn't resist; had to download the raw.
The overall animation style is noticeably different from other episodes. At least in the beginning of the episode it seemed so. Like at 4:23, everyone doesn't look in their normal proportions... But it definitely gets better (or I got used to it) as the episode progressed.
Still want that insert song that plays during the race. Got the instrumental version this time, which is just as good as the vocal version that played in that earlier episode... Is it just not released yet, like how the full version of "Motteke! Sailor Fuku" wasn't released until just last week? (I'm not requesting a link; just asking if it's merely available.)
And I don't recall if Tsukasa's worn those overalls before, but at 11:39 definitely screams Ayu.
<3 Kanon
Actually, no.... it screams a typical piece of clothing worn by many japanese (like my wife who has a few, for example). It doesn't scream Ayu as such anymore than taiyaki screams Ayu. Many pieces of Lucky*Star scream "typical japanese daily living" ... just like most slice-of-life or other series set in recent Japan. Tsukasa has worn them before (in episode 2).
If people will watch the clothing and hairstyles (as they change) on the girls --- they're most all adapted from the manga. One of the nice touches of the manga (and the anime) is that the girls modify their hair and clothing to suit their whims.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 13:23
Actually, no.... it screams a typical piece of clothing worn by many japanese (like my wife who has a few, for example). It doesn't scream Ayu as such anymore than taiyaki screams Ayu. Many pieces of Lucky*Star scream "typical japanese daily living" ... just like most slice-of-life or other series set in recent Japan. Tsukasa has worn them before (in episode 2).
If people will watch the clothing and hairstyles (as they change) on the girls --- they're most all adapted from the manga. One of the nice touches of the manga (and the anime) is that the girls modify their hair and clothing to suit their whims.
Your forgetting the cardinal rule Vexx, everything is a reference to Kanon, Haruhi or another Kyoto Animation adaptation since nothing else is worthy (especially those common overalls, how dare they be compared to Ayu's :frustrated:). Kyonani is not a mispelling of their nickname when swapping out Konami, but a reference to Kyon from Haruhi for example (Actually as a joke on that very idea I slipped an image of Kyon sitting on the steps in the one episode of Haruhi where he's watching the girls run into my sig. See if you can spot him). Does that make sense, no, does it have to, no. It's Kyoto Animation, they are never wrong. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink)
In fact I just got wind that Kyoto Animation is doing a remake of Gunbuster since the previous one by Gainax was an embarassment. Now Kyoto Animation will do a Gunbuster that will put Gainax to shame and that is the reason behind the reference in episode 2. :joke:
archanfels
2007-05-28, 13:25
"As a tsundere you have to fashion twin-tail!"
Konata to Kagami, while crying and shaking her.
BEST. QUOTE. EVER
That scene almost made me spit drinks on my monitor, can't believe she said it, lol.
Truer words have never been spoken, my respect level for Konata skyrocketed.
Another scene made me lol in real life is the interaction between Kona and Kagamin when she got her postcard published on the magazine,
I swear everytime these two meet, it's comedy gold.
Everything else in this episode pales in comparison (well, the sports festival is fun, but too short), though the kyonani olympic game did make me feel all nostalgic.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 13:31
"As a tsundere you have to fashion twin-tail!"
Konata to Kagami, while crying and shaking her.
BEST. QUOTE. EVER
That scene almost made me spit drinks on my monitor, can't believe she said it, lol.
Truer words have never been spoken, my respect level for Konata skyrocketed.
Another scene made me lol in real life is the interaction between Kona and Kagamin when she got her postcard published on the magazine,
I swear everytime these two meet, it's comedy gold.
Everything else in this episode pales in comparison (well, the sports festival is fun, but too short), though the kyonani olympic game did make me feel all nostalgic.
Look's like Konata's been paying as much attention to anime character designs as I have, because that is actually frighteningly true. Why is it that Tsundere characters often seem to have twintails? Is it that the two strands of hair symbolize the two parts of their personality maybe?
I see someone forgot to take his prozac pills.
Don't forget the other cardinal rule of the animedom you so conveniently omitted, Kaioshin: even the Holy Bible, Odyssey and Gilgamesh's epic are Evangelion rip-offs. If you want to cheap shot, at least be witty, creative and fun with it, because so far, you sound like whatever you have accused Sugita to do (freak out, etc...).
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-28, 14:37
;966296']07:04 ~ 07:08 Kiddy Grade reference? I don't remember exactly Lumiere's (the very first character, officially, voiced by Aya, when she was 14) catch-phrase but was something like that (something like "woman should behave elegantly" onnanokowa eleganto ni)One of the Chinese subs has a note that what Aaya says here is exactly what she said to Eclair as Lumiere.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 14:43
I see someone forgot to take his prozac pills.
Don't forget the other cardinal rule of the animedom you so conveniently omitted, Kaioshin: even the Holy Bible, Odyssey and Gilgamesh's epic are Evangelion rip-offs. If you want to cheap shot, at least be witty, creative and fun with it, because so far, you sound like whatever you have accused Sugita to do (freak out, etc...).
Now that's harsh, because I was trying to be witty, creative and fun with a lot of things, which is why I made the sig in the first place, to have fun with the scene. Look really closely and you will see Kyon sitting above the part where it says Kyonani. The last part was also just a joke and the icing was a sort of Chuck Norris Facts style overtone to the post (Not to mention playing along with Lucky Star's style of lampooning things). If that's just a cheap shot without trying to have fun with things, than I don't know what else I can do really.
@Kaoru: Sound's like one of those voice actor jokes like the one's they do in Super Robot Wars or the one episode of Hayate.
I think if anything that was a reference to the last episode with Maramite thing, and we'd stretching even for that.
Yeah right, Marimite, it's so plain obvious that I don't know how I didn't noticed myself... :uhoh:
With this kind of reasoning you can fit in that reference nearly any series with an Ojō-sama in it. Do you have the slightest idea of what I was talking about? Of course not, but it's not that you have to reply to any single post in this sub-forum, for what I know there's no any kind of reward if you rech a certain quota of messages... (or I can't image of what burden forum like Shuffle or Nanoha are for AS admins :heh:).
I checked the first episode of Kiddy Grade and, like Kaoru Chujo said, the phrase it's exactly the same for both Konata and Lumiere.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/765/snapshot20070528220620mc2.jpg
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 15:45
;967084']Yeah right, Marimite, it's so plain obvious that I don't know how I didn't noticed myself... :uhoh:
With this kind of reasoning you can fit in that reference nearly any series with an Ojō-sama in it. Do you have the slightest idea of what I was talking about? Of course not, but it's not that you have to reply to any single post in this sub-forum, for what I know there's no any kind of reward if you rech a certain quota of messages... (or I can't image of what burden forum like Shuffle or Nanoha are for AS admins :heh:).
I checked the first episode of Kiddy Grade and, like Kaoru Chujo said, the phrase it's exactly the same for both Konata and Lumiere.
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/765/snapshot20070528220620mc2.jpg
I just thought they might be following up on Konata's attempt to impersonate a mature woman from last episode (Like having her imagine she's some sort of elegant and well-mannered woman when in reality we all know she is quite uncouth). Also, I usually go for the closest logical link and that's why I felt that the tie to last episodes mature Konata shouldn't be overlooked when examining this bit you brought up and that it could be a stretch given that Lucky Star has lose continuity. As for the line that was quoted, given the fact that's it's just a piece of dialogue that could be used anywhere, I felt that it was a loose link. The link between two episodes of a similiar anime is stronger than the link between two different characters voiced by the same actor. That's all. It could be neither, it could be one, it could be the other and for all we know it could even be a bit of both, a follow up to last episodes creepy mature Konata and a voice actor joke. There can be two in one jokes.
CrowKenobi
2007-05-28, 16:55
Your forgetting the cardinal rule Vexx, everything is a reference to Kanon, Haruhi or another Kyoto Animation adaptation since nothing else is worthy (especially those common overalls, how dare they be compared to Ayu's :frustrated:). And you are forgetting anime rule #49! :pKyonani is not a mispelling of their nickname when swapping out Konami, but a reference to Kyon from Haruhi for exampleNah, if you look at it like this: Kyo nani, then it could be Kyo what? ;) Does that make sense, no, does it have to, no. It's Kyoto Animation, they are never wrong. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink)You did read the term you referred to, right? Here's another term I found on that page that I think that you overlooked (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy). EDIT: If that is too harsh, how about this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf) In fact I just got wind that Kyoto Animation is doing a remake of Gunbuster since the previous one by Gainax was an embarassment. Now Kyoto Animation will do a Gunbuster that will put Gainax to shame and that is the reason behind the reference in episode 2. :joke:Just quit while you're ahead and everything will be better.......
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-28, 16:59
It's a quote from Kiddy Grade, and from Aya herself, first and foremost. But I like the idea that it can link back to the feeling of the ojou-sama (Marimite) stuff from the last episode, too. It reminded me of that when I first heard it. I think we get a lot of such things in this show: there's a reference joke, but it has an aspect that makes it funny even if you don't get the reference. And finding ways to link the episodes and give some continuity is important, too, I think.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 17:28
And you are forgetting anime rule #49!
I'm forgetting that:
#49- Law of Female wrath- If a male character insults a female character, he will
get a mallet, shotgun, or tank blast, or if she is a character that can perform
magical feats, a fireball or whatever, to the head, body or whatever.
:confused::confused::confused:
Deathkillz
2007-05-28, 17:33
I'm forgetting that:
#49- Law of Female wrath- If a male character insults a female character, he will
get a mallet, shotgun, or tank blast, or if she is a character that can perform
magical feats, a fireball or whatever, to the head, body or whatever.
:confused::confused::confused:
haha! pure gold XD
you hide your jokes soo well they seem soo real...you admit it...you like to condem for the sake of condemning :3 and seen as you are enjoying this series which is produced by the bane company to your existance i think we are at a break through :3
Ascaloth
2007-05-28, 17:43
@Kaioshin,
Yawn. Old. Stale. Not funny. Kind of like watching Lucky Channel over and over and over again, actually.
NEXT!!!
CrowKenobi
2007-05-28, 17:52
I'm forgetting that:
#49- Law of Female wrath- If a male character insults a female character, he will
get a mallet, shotgun, or tank blast, or if she is a character that can perform
magical feats, a fireball or whatever, to the head, body or whatever.
:confused::confused::confused:Not as such. It is written as: "If it is cute, don't question it." :)
Actually your rule is #7 with a corollary: "If said male is doing something perverted as he violates rule #7, the resulting female's wrath shall be doubled." :D
:cool:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 18:05
Not as such. It is written as: "If it is cute, don't question it." :)
Actually your rule is #7 with a corollary: "If said male is doing something perverted as he violates rule #7, the resulting female's wrath shall be doubled." :D
:cool:
Oh dear, that's a good rule actually. I think Rule #7 and Rule #49 work quite well together as usually the cute things are the most deadly (or I've been playing to many H- Strategy/RPG Games and RPG's from Square Enix). In fact in this one game.......
One of my favorite parts of this was the end part with the Hiiragi sisters where Tsukasa hypothetically imagines being the older sister, as if it makes her automatically the smarter one! :heh:
One of my favorite parts of this was the end part with the Hiiragi sisters where Tsukasa hypothetically imagines being the older sister, as if it makes her automatically the smarter one! :heh:
Oh thanks, I was wondering why would Kagami call her sister "Oneesan".
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-28, 19:42
I love that part with Tsukasa imagining herself the onee-san. Funny and deep and gives such a sisterly feeling. What if....
And I just checked "Current Anime" for the total number of posts in the AnimeSuki Lucky Star forums: it has now surpassed the total number in the Death Note forums (5524 to 5501 when I checked). And Death Note is a popular show that had a six-month head start.
shinku no kage
2007-05-28, 19:56
Seems like everyone got their time in the spotlight in this ep...including Konata's dad. LOL
Kagami...so...agressive. (._.) Tsukasa seems to still be taking all the good parts again just as in ep6 and 7 though. Hmmm...she may soon take my #2 place solo instead of a tie between her and Konata. Miyuki-san...she won the relay. (^O^);
Konata is the same as always though.
...Konata's dad, Soujiro-san. A man who has no shame....LOL
...a couple of the other "Lucky Star" chars finally made an appearence too. ^^
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-28, 20:00
I love that part with Tsukasa imagining herself the onee-san. Funny and deep and gives such a sisterly feeling. What if....
And I just checked "Current Anime" for the total number of posts in the AnimeSuki Lucky Star forums: they have now surpassed the total number in the Death Note forums (5524 to 5501 when I checked). And Death Note is a popular show that had a six-month head start.
The problem the Death Note anime had is that it was based off a popular manga that a lot of people had already read. There wasn't too much to discuss with the anime beyond "Hey my favourite scene looks great animated". Now Lucky Star is based off a manga that I think only Vexx and I and maybe a few others have read (There are like 9 posts in the LS manga thread), so there are a lot of fresh things to discuss.
Aye... I should be doing a better job of tracking which parts of the manga they've animated (and which are anime-only bits). ... adds it to the already impossible list of things to do.
Telliamed
2007-05-28, 20:56
Sure, they could spend the money and get other companies popular products like Death Note or Nodame, or they could just go with the group that is helping to produce the show that is going to give them the rights to use it cheap.
If it's product placement, though, shouldn't the other publishers be paying them?
I liked some of the little visual tricks, I guess from the storyboard: the long direct view of the top of Konata's head at the start of the race, and the heads of KKandT at the bottom of the frame as they walked down the school hallway.
The presentation of the sports festival was similar to the summer break episodes. They use it to show off their animation. Seems to me they're more comfortable with these themed jokes than the one-off scenes presented in a 4-koma way. IOW, KyoAni is paradoxically better the more complex the animation.
- Tsukasa does something so Moe the entire universe melts.
It was rather warm this weekend. And here I thought it was greenhouse gasses.
Just to see who's really an old man around here, who remembers playing Konami Track and Field on the NES (or Famicom) and/or the arcade?
I count myself among that crowd! :p
You truly haven't lived until you spent some time in front of this bad boy:
http://www.centuri.net/tracknfield.htm
Just to see who's really an old man around here, who remembers playing Konami Track and Field on the NES (or Famicom) and/or the arcade?
I count myself among that crowd! :p
You truly haven't lived until you spent some time in front of this bad boy:
http://www.centuri.net/tracknfield.htm
It was called Hyper Olympic outside the US.
http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=H&game_id=8165
That was early or mid 80s I think... I probably walked right by it in favor of the more fantasy/sci-fi inflected games (like Gauntlet or some such stuff). At the time I was writing software for aerospace flight simulators so arcades were starting to lose their pizzazz for me since I was getting a better clue about what was possible (like 3-d virtual environments) :).
I had one of the early IBM PCs at the time (as did a few of the engineering group I was with) and we'd written a space war simulator for it in our spare time (taking the Space War idea of combat around a gravity well, but the screen was from the POV of the pilot and there were two computers connected over serial cable so two people could combat each other).
If only we'd run with and patented that idea.... :)
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-28, 22:37
The problem the Death Note anime had is that it was based off a popular manga that a lot of people had already read....Actually, I would think that would more likely be a stimulus to posting than something that stopped people posting. Readers of the manga certainly continue to post about the similarities and differences. But even though more people have read and loved that manga than this, they still constitute a small number compared to those who watch the anime, I believe.
I note that in the voice actor threads for both -- something that would have nothing to do with the manga -- there are 32 posts in the DN thread and 141 in the LS thread. And Hirano Aya is in both, whereas Death Note also has Miyano Mamoru, a rising star, and Yamaguchi Kappei, a risen one, each of which has his own fans.
Personally, I think the fact is just that this anime is much more popular with the AnimeSuki crowd than that one. Maybe it's the moe. Maybe it's the humor. Maybe it's something to do with Death Note. I myself was following it for a while, but have lost interest.
Aye... I should be doing a better job of tracking which parts of the manga they've animated (and which are anime-only bits). ... adds it to the already impossible list of things to do.Syu-ta is tracking this on his luckystar page.
Personally, I think the fact is just that this anime is much more popular with the AnimeSuki crowd than that one. Maybe it's the moe. Maybe it's the humor. Maybe it's something to do with Death Note. I myself was following it for a while, but have lost interest.Or it could just be a bad comparsion since the number of Death Note posts fell far off from its peak when the license was announced. Also, this show gets a lot of semi-trivial posting since it is slice of life while death note doesn't since it is fantasy.
If it's product placement, though, shouldn't the other publishers be paying them.
This depends on what they are going to animate and where. For example, if they want to put in a gundam, they have go to pay for the rights to show a gundam. However, if Apple comes up to them and says "we want konata playing mmo's on a mac", Apple might have to pay to get them to put it in (and then they will ahve to negotiate about the logo which isn't neccesarily required).
..."we want konata playing mmo's on a mac"...
Oh man, you have no idea how much I'd love that... and how impossible it is that it'll ever happen. :(
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-29, 00:19
Personally, I think the fact is just that this anime is much more popular with the AnimeSuki crowd than that one. Maybe it's the moe. Maybe it's the humor. Maybe it's something to do with Death Note. I myself was following it for a while, but have lost interest.
Combination all of the above. Death Note isn't Moe and moe get's people talking, it goes through a rather dull arc after a certain character dies, and people probably lost interest after it was licensed.
Plus if you want a personal opinion, Death Note isn't all that great after a very specific arc, it should have ended there, but it keeps going quite a while afterward. Also like Bayaob said, Lucky Star can generate 5 times the amount of fluff discussion that Death Note can any day.
Plus, Lucky Star has something that Death Note doesn't have, me posting in its sub-forum. :D I talk a hell of a lot.
Mirrinus
2007-05-29, 00:27
I must admit, Kaioshin_dono is correct on every single point in his last post.
ImClueless
2007-05-29, 00:42
Lucky Star isn't even that bad in terms of fluff posts. Take a look at the Nanoha forum. The posts count is fast approaching that of the Haruhi forum even if you take away the posts from the first two series and Haruhi was supposed to be a phenomenon. I don't know is Nanoha is more moe than Lucky Star, but its generating crazy post counts (for Asuki at least).
No, the Nanoha threads are completely off in another dimension of tech-magic babble discussion. Lots of fun if you're designing an FPS or tabletop RPG -- but almost useless from a story or relationship discussion aspect.
I just watch the show and decline to comment other than rating the episodes.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-05-29, 01:14
...I don't know if Nanoha is more moe than Lucky Star, but its generating crazy post counts (for Asuki at least).And for 2channel in Japan, where it has around 150,000 posts. Lucky Star has around 100,000, and the next is Gurren Laggen at 70,000 or so, with others far behind. With the tremendous success of Nanoha characters in the SaiMoe tournament, I'd say that Japanese otaku find that show pretty moe. I don't find it either particularly moe or particularly interesting, but that's cool.
Nono, MSLN is not so much about the moe, but the shounen GAR it has. Takamachi Nanoha was in SaiGAR after all. Trying to use moe as a reason to explain its popularity is pointless. Its likeability has more to do with its shounen elements. Just look at the Naruto, Bleach and One Piece forums. The only difference is in the gender of the title characters.
With nicknames like White Devil, Blazing General and Scarlet Iron Knight; we're not exactly talking about "cute-type" moe here. :p
It is about the Trinity of shounen. GUTS, COURAGE, and PASSION.
Cheers.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-29, 01:29
Nono, MSLN is not so much about the moe, but the shounen GAR it has. Takamachi Nanoha was in SaiGAR after all. Trying to use moe as a reason to explain its popularity is pointless. Its likeability has more to do with its shounen elements. Just look at the Naruto, Bleach and One Piece forums. The only difference is in the gender of the title characters.
With nicknames like White Devil, Blazing General and Scarlet Iron Knight; we're not exactly talking about "cute-type" moe here. :p
It is about the Trinity of shounen. GUTS, COURAGE, and PASSION.
Cheers.
Yeah I think Nanoha took out Zaisen Jotaro, but was beaten by Gatts. Also Amuro Ray is the White Devil, nobody else can have that title without a fight to the death with the Hi-Nu Gundam.
Moe... is the last thing on my mind when I watch Nanoha :)
There's something about pissed off young women wielding artifacts that can blow holes through spacetime ... and it isn't moe :)
Obviously.... I'm going into a combined Kagami/Konata/Tsukasa withdrawal .... need an ep 8 fix to restabilize.
Moe... is the last thing on my mind when I watch Nanoha :)
There's something about pissed off young women wielding artifacts that can blow holes through spacetime ... and it isn't moe :)
Obviously.... I'm going into a combined Kagami/Konata/Tsukasa withdrawal .... need an ep 8 fix to restabilize.
The 5th season of MSLN when they're all above 40yrs old.
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha: PMS
And to keep a measure of on-topicness in this post...
http://content.imagesocket.com/images/Ep08_WS_Others_01_256c407.gif (http://imagesocket.com/view/Ep08_WS_Others_01_256c407.gif)
"Kagami! They stopped talking about me!"
~~~~ ~~~~
Cheers.
Daniel E.
2007-05-29, 02:55
Just to see who's really an old man around here, who remembers playing Konami Track and Field on the NES (or Famicom) and/or the arcade?
I count myself among that crowd! :p
I actually remember some bits of it. :innocent:
Plus, Lucky Star has something that Death Note doesn't have, me posting in its sub-forum. :D I talk a hell of a lot.
I like Death Note a whole lot. I just avoid the whole section to stay clear of spoilers. :p
Ahh, I wanna see Miyuki's race already! :)
The 5th season of MSLN when they're all above 40yrs old.
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha: PMS
And to keep a measure of on-topicness in this post...
Three words:
Magical Girl Revy
:D
I admit it, sometimes the Nanoha forums scares me with its own load of local flavored in-jokes and other fanfiction.net-esque talk that get me "what the hell they are babling???". Hence I only come there for the pics and stopped reading the posts for a while.
No, the Nanoha threads are completely off in another dimension of tech-magic babble discussion. Lots of fun if you're designing an FPS or tabletop RPG -- but almost useless from a story or relationship discussion aspect.
...and, the same logic can be applied for the series itself, for what I've seen so far (I'm not on par with sub, and I don't really feel any need to continue the series so far...).
LS forum is doing quite well, better than I was expecting, but, after the huge polemic for the first episode, it's mostly a matter of few dedicated people (and the same for Nanoha, but on a different level). The number of viewers is nothing amazing, especially compared to popular series like Suzumiya Haruhi (that was constantly over 100 visitors in any period of the week or the day). It's just the number of messages that's high and with this pace it's possible to surpass , for example, Code Geass, but as for popularity (even on AS) we are on a totally different level.
WanderingKnight
2007-05-29, 05:27
Couldn't this be solved by adding up the number of LS torrent downloads from the different fansubbing groups and comparing it to other shows? I'd do that but I'm lazy as hell, and I've gotta go to work in 30 minutes. But I'd be willing to say that Death Note would highly surpass LS in that department. That it catches a reduced crowd in ASuki doesn't mean that it's not popular among the leeching community.
Furudanuki
2007-05-29, 10:19
Just to see who's really an old man around here, who remembers playing Konami Track and Field on the NES (or Famicom) and/or the arcade?
LOL! I remember playing PONG in the arcade when they put the first machine in, but pinball was my forte back then. Ah, yes, hustling the frat boys from the university for beer: like having a license to steal, and no worries about being underage. Good times, good times.
Lucky Star isn't even that bad in terms of fluff posts. Take a look at the Nanoha forum. The posts count is fast approaching that of the Haruhi forum even if you take away the posts from the first two series and Haruhi was supposed to be a phenomenon. I don't know is Nanoha is more moe than Lucky Star, but its generating crazy post counts (for Asuki at least).
I'm watching StrikerS, but I've pretty much given up trying to slog my way through the forum. Most of the chatter seems to revolve around different flavors of fanfic, doujins, and relationshipping rather than what is actually going on in the show. Obviously a good time for the hard-core fans who keep up to speed with anything and everything relating to the Nanohaverse, but the signal-to-noise ratio is way too low for a casual viewer like myself to wade through.
Shiori-chan
2007-05-30, 09:44
just seen the new episode, still cant stop laughing with akira
also: konata's dad is a pervert, I mean trying to take pics of girls from 17-18 years old
Anime Online
2007-05-30, 09:59
My favorite scene in Episode#08 was Kagami's bread eating contest. From the scene where Konata was watching the TV, I wish they'll show more of Kona-dad too. Probably in due time.
I finally realized what Miyuki's role is: fanservice. It's quite odd the rest of the girls start calling her Yuki-chan this episode. Perhaps this is an indication that they are getting closer.
Lastly, Lucky Channel is quite interesting this episode. I wonder if they are really making figurines based on the poll.
Deathkillz
2007-05-30, 11:04
haha its quite interesting to see how understanding kona is towards his father's perverted attitude XD *pictures pictures!!*
but the highlight of the ep has to be tsukasa getting one over kona for once XD "so are chocolate cornets lunch or dessert?" ~ "dam tsukasa giving me lip T_T" haha nice one XD
and kona buying the same volume of shuffle again...i can honestly say that ive done that once before XD
and kona buying the same volume of shuffle again...i can honestly say that ive done that once before XD
Funny enough, i've done it in the same context as Konata.
I remember watching Monkey, when it was aired at 3am or something like that --- never expected the OP to appear as a Lucky Star OP. I'd rather have a Monkey reference in the show though.
But yeah, best dubbing ever.
Hooray for a.f.k! *Downloading*
Just in time for our anime club to watch, as we prepare to get to A-Kon in Dallas. I wonder if there will be some Lucky Star cosplayers already!
I wonder if Konata's dad sells the pictures he takes...
Whoa, your club watches L*S? The anime club at my high school would only show Inu Yasha and spend the rest of the time bashing Pokémon and Sailor Moon. Much 1337 points to your club!
hooray for a.f.k indeed, but i have to wait for a stream, no torrents for me *sob*
I am really looking forward to this ep.. mostly cos i havent been able to watch any anime for the past 4 days having been away camping.
Wandering_Youth
2007-05-30, 17:05
A interesting episode were we finally get to see Konata's dad and he's exactly how I imagined him to be plus more Konata teasing Kagami which is always a win for me.
Whoa, it just me or was Konata on the adult section of manga store in the end of the episode? I saw blurred pictures of dirty mangas with schoolgirls flipping skirts and nurses as Konata's hand was searching for a manga to buy. Konata's a bad kid! :heh:
Yes, she was in the hentai section. Blame or bless her father for that.
JediNight
2007-05-30, 18:40
Whoa, your club watches L*S? The anime club at my high school would only show Inu Yasha and spend the rest of the time bashing Pokémon and Sailor Moon. Much 1337 points to your club!
Eww ... well that's a high school club for you. Adult Swim newbies to the max, eh? Although honestly, there's probably a lot of shows you *couldn't* watch in a high school club, because the content has to be approved by an advisor right? Or do they not really check up on what you watch? lol...
I won't even show Lucky*Star at my college club, because most of them wouldn't appreciate it. There's only maybe 4 people in the club that have enough anime/Japanese culture knowledge to find L*S funny. The rest would just think it's retarded.
PS: Why the heck would your high school club show Inu Yasha? Isn't the point of an anime club to watch stuff you CAN'T see every night on TV?
Noppapana
2007-05-30, 19:40
i am not sure if anyone noticed it
when konata is at the bookstore she was holding 2 books
on her left hand was a white book with a grey silhouette
isnt that the backside of the Suzumiya Haruhi official fanbook ?
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-30, 19:45
Whoa, your club watches L*S? The anime club at my high school would only show Inu Yasha and spend the rest of the time bashing Pokémon and Sailor Moon. Much 1337 points to your club!
My University club OSAMU was extremely good up until last year, always showing show's that don't get much exposure and one's that were often great shows that me and my friends wouldn't have watched otherwise (Legend of Black Heaven comes to mind). Then last year it just kind of tanked and all they showed were popular shows or one's I had seen. Last year was Haruhi, Ouran High School Host Club, Giant Robo and Pani Poni Dash among others. Basically stuff everybody had seen (and in my case I have the Giant Robo boxset sitting on my shelf). I don't think the club will exist next year as nobody went. Shame really as the first 2 years had a great mix of shows from all kinds of genres and from all kinds of years like Kodocha, Hunter x Hunter, Here is Greenwood, Ping Pong Club, Banner of The Stars, Tsukihime, Big O, Fullmetal Alchemist, Chobits and movies such as Only Yesterday, Nausicaa of The Valley of The Wind, Samurai Champloo and a slot called best of the rest where the execs got to show of their personal favourites which were often really good. 2006 was basically all series that aired in the summer and a few recommendations from the president such as Giant Robo (which they didn't even finish I heard), so I didn't bother to go and neither did anyone else it would seem judging by how empty the message board was.
CrowKenobi
2007-05-30, 19:45
i am not sure if anyone noticed it
when konata is at the bookstore she was holding 2 books
on her left hand was a white book with a grey silhouette
isnt that the backside of the Suzumiya Haruhi official fanbook ?Konata has good taste in Haruhi products as she was buying the official fanbook! :)Quoted as truth! :heh:
Good eye! ;)
:cool:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-30, 21:10
Quoted as truth! :heh:
Good eye! ;)
:cool:
Did you just quote your own post like I do?
The question now is how high do sales of the fanbook spike after this, or do Konata's purchases and plugs not have as much influence on the viewers as I imagine they do.
After the show is over they should do a spinoff where Konata is all grown up and runs an advertising agency that recruits little girls to casually introduce products to people on the street, and of course hilarity ensues as they compete amongst each other to sell the most products in a month and win a trip to Hawaii. Things will get a little hectic as the girls stoop to gradually more and more devious means to sell the products and Konata gives them bad advice and narrarates.
Screw it I'm doing my spot now:
Lucky Star Episode 08 (Encounters In Buruma):
At Konata's: We are greeted by the ugliest man known to the human raise and Daba Myroad (Yaman Clan Forever!)
Walking: Apparently they need to cut there hair for the festival, but hold on, if Kagami wishes to remain a Tsundere she must keep the twinstails (You know this is kind of true about Tsundere' having twintails). Either that or she'd look like Tsukasa with pointy eyes. Still the idea is nipped in the bud.
At School: Konata's Good At Sports, The Sports Festival is coming. All this and more on the last 7 episodes of Lucky Star. What Event is Kagami doing (Discuss this in the same manner as what game is Konata playing or her PC and GO!). Apparently we don't find out yet, but Konata seems to know. Also I bet Konata's Ahoge gives her super special running powers because any girl with an Ahoge gets some sort of power from it. Apparently Kagami sucks at sports and Konata knows it (Oh this is going to be good). Okay WHOA! Ok in the last scene Konata is the same height as the other girls, but in this scene she is barely up to Tsukasa's neck (and she's not average height either. Could the Ahoge on Konata's head give her the power to change her size like the DC superhero the Atom?).
In Class: Like Her Dude Miyuki has a huge rack and gigantic butt (HAHAHAHAHAHA Gnarly!) and that is the story of why Miyuki is in Relay and not the Obstacle Course (The End). Or is it...
At The Locker Room: The faces on all of the girls after the Scavenger Hunt Story are just priceless. Apparently either Miyuki is really smart or really dumb regarding the body trait the scavenger hunter was looking for (Well played rebuttal to the devious Konata either way).
In Class: Ragtime Music (Dance A Dance A). The lesson hear is that no matter how many awesome things are going on, school will dominate your life, so stop daydreaming.
At Konata's: Yui is freaking insane! Whoa Konata has assimilated Kagami's Ide Sweatdrop sound effect. Whoa looks like having to take care of his braindead sister really messed up Daba so much that he phased into an alternate reality where he is Konata's father.
In Class: Now Is The Time! Take You Sorrow And Turn It Into Anger! Sieg Zeon.... I mean give em a good show girls. Konata looks ready to go here (and extremely chipper and extra tiny too). Oh cool Chicken Fighting, haven't done that since elementary school. I wanna chicken fight with Konata :naughty:. Aw isn't Miyuki just the sweetest little pacifist. :p Don't Fret The Little Stuff That's One Of Those Mistakes Of Youth (This is pretty close to something Char Aznable says in U.C Gundam, except he says "One Does Not Care To Acknowledge the Mistakes of One's Youth"). The Ide Is Overflowing in the room after this one.
The Main Event: Hey Kagami is doing the bread thing. Dude Konata is shining. Kagami is bringing down the house (That Fatty). Why is that guy purple (I bet it's because he's a man and men are inferior in Lucky Star). Speaking of Men is that L-Gaim Mk II's Buster Launcher. No it's just Konata's father's ridiculously huge camera (Wonder if he feels inferior and the camera is to enhance his...masculinity in a female dominated show). I'm noticing that Konata is now the same height as Tsukasa again (or at least not below her neck line). And She's off and it's track and field, but she won. Oh my god that girl just fell flat on her ass and flopped around in the loliest way humanly possible :love:. And she even looks loli-moe when dusting herself off. Good lord. There goes Kagami (Manly Scream!) and....did she win or just smash her face in. Dude the music for Tsukasa' event is funky. Oh she missed the cue in her attempts to act Moe. And wow that must be an all time low record (This just goes to show Moe doesn't always pay). HA! They think Daba's a Pedophile and Konata is such a bitch for hiding and letting them cart him off. It's Miyuki' turn now. Isn't this that song they used for the Initial D! parody (I think it is)? Can you hear? I'm Sure You Can Hear It?...That Far Off Roar! (I think of the Ideon Opening lyrics while looking at the Bandana on Miyuki's head and her look of determination. She's ready to pounce with the full force of Ide the second she gets that Baton). And there she goes (Is the Ide in her Breasts?) And its Miyuki By A Breast! Konata's loving it too.
At Kagami's: The Ide has left Miyuki's breasts and returned to Kagami's sweatdrop apparently. Wow that's some bad recorder playing Tsukasa :(.. I bet somebody somewhere is commenting that they want Tsukasa to play their recorder or whatever. :twitch: OH MY GOD SHE's WEARING THE OVERALL'S THAT AYU WORE (And Stuff....:p). Haha look at her face. They're both awful. A little relaxation and much better (OH MY GOD I WANT THE CD SINGLE OF TSUKASA PLAYING THE RECORDER WHEN IT COMES OUT! GIVE ME TWENTY, NO THIRTY COPIES! :uhoh:). Whoa easy don't choke there.
At School Cafe: Heh even the girls are purple now, what gives. Or are they men in drag? Konata is shorter than Tsukasa again. Anybody notice the second Miyuki starts getting philosophical this tune starts playing (I hereby dub the tune Miyuki The Confused Philosopher). HA HA! She wasted her time. Anyway this whole scene is kind of boring overall.
At Kagami's: Okay the Yuri/Incest undertones here are kind of amusing.
At School: How much you wanna freaking bet that Konata's Postcard actually is in the Real Life May Newtype and they are using this episode and her mentioning it to bolster the sales of that month's issue (OMG! MUST HAVE ISSUE WITH KONATA POSTCARD, BECAUSE SHE MENTIONED IT AND SHE'S KONATA) (GAME PENALTY!).
At The Manga Shop: Oh this is not going to be pretty. Don't do it Konata, don't make me hate you. Wait....those are H-Manga :twitch::twitch::twitch:. Whoa.................:twitch:. Shuffle! (No Game Penalty cause they actually showed manga that weren't Kadokawa stuff just before this, proving that in fact Kadokawa isn't the only manga publisher in the world). HAHA She already has it (Game Point for pointing out how gullible some otaku can be. Funniest joke in the episode thus far. Actually Two Game Points! :D).
Walking: HAHA! I love these comments on hackneyed Dating Sim Game moments actually happening in front of Konata (Flag Trigger!).
Lucky Channel: Oh God could Akira's intro to lucky channel be any more screechy and annoying. Let's see if the LC can reddem itself. Did they just say they need to come up with Fresh Material and to rely less on mannerisms A.K.A Minoru being a weakingly and Akira being Bipolar! NO FREAKING WAY! (FREAKING Mind Taking again. What the heck! :D) (Game Point by the way for acknowledging the fact that Lucky Channel has sucked for the last five episodes). Dude she's going freaking crazy. Kind of funny.
Ladies and gentleman mark this day on your calendar's for this is the first time I have found Lucky Channel to be kind of funny (YAY!). The first half was above average, while 3rd quarter was crummy, but the last quarter was great.
Starting at 6 we go +1 (First half)-1.0 (Third Quarter) -0.5 (Game Penalty) +1.5 (Game Points) +1.5 (Fourth Quarter) = 8.5 out of 10, rounded up to Nine Out of Ten.
Did you just quote your own post like I do?
The question now is how high do sales of the fanbook spike after this, or do Konata's purchases and plugs not have as much influence on the viewers as I imagine they do.
Buy stock in Timotei. Just saying.
CrowKenobi
2007-05-30, 21:35
Did you just quote your own post like I do? Yup, 'cause if I don't have to retype it, I don't have to retype it. :heh:The question now is how high do sales of the fanbook spike after this, or do Konata's purchases and plugs not have as much influence on the viewers as I imagine they do. Anyway, everyone that has wanted a fanbook in Japan, has already bought one... I don't know about Shuffle vol. 5, though. :DAfter the show is over they should do a spinoff where Konata is all grown up and runs an advertising agency that recruits little girls to casually introduce products to people on the street, and of course hilarity ensues as they compete amongst each other to sell the most products in a month and win a trip to Hawaii. Things will get a little hectic as the girls stoop to gradually more and more devious means to sell the products and Konata gives them bad advice and narrarates.Word of advice: don't quit your day job. :eyespin: :heh:
:cool:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-30, 22:26
Buy stock in Timotei. Just saying.
Good idea. I should also find a stake in the May 2007 issue of Newtype judging by the fact Konata's postcard is in there (Oh it's going to be in there for real, you can count on it). Buy em all up and then Scalp em or something.
CrowKenobi
2007-05-30, 22:40
Good idea. I should also find a stake in the May 2007 issue of Newtype judging by the fact Konata's postcard is in there (Oh it's going to be in there for real, you can count on it). Buy em all up and then Scalp em or something.Except that issue went on sale in March. :D
:cool:
Yes, she was in the hentai section. Blame or bless her father for that.
Whoa, it just me or was Konata on the adult section of manga store in the end of the episode? I saw blurred pictures of dirty mangas with schoolgirls flipping skirts and nurses as Konata's hand was searching for a manga to buy. Konata's a bad kid! :heh:
No, this was not the hentai section. (The ones that you could see were not hentai). The blurring was so that they didn't have to pay copyrights on anything and could still sorta refer to some series. The other thing is, in Japan, the adult section and the regular section are right next to each other in some stores.
Did anyone else just love the song during the relay XD
shinku no kage
2007-05-30, 23:04
Wasnt it the same as the insert song during the Initial D parody while Yui-san was driving? Just without the lyrics...
....what is that song anyway?
I might mimic Kaoishin-sama's method of posting thoughts...
- Am I the only one that thinks that the OP animation now feels detached from the music?
(01:47) Kona: "Which daughter are you talking about?" --- Could she mean that Izumi-chi-chi used to do that to her mother?
(02:39) Is it just me or is Tsukasa intentionally ignorant of Konata?
(02:57) Kagami 0 - 1 Kona
(03:20) Kagami 0 - 2 Kona
(03:45) Wait...I thought Kona's personality type is usually ostracized in social life, but here the class is laughing with her.
(04:10) Uh-huh.
(04:32) ...they seem to secretly resent Kona.
(~05:00) Dammit Miyuki, stop being so boring.
(05:25) Kagami 1 - 2 Kona
(05:42) BGM coordination is a little bit disjointed lately.
(06:20) Can totally jab a strategy game reference here...like double damage from behind.
(07:10) OWNAGE!
(07:15) MORE OWNAGE!
(07:30) Sniper. Totally.
(07:57-02) WTF...I never knew you can button mash like that.
(08:49) Godlike BGM here. Can't wait to hear that in the OST.
(10:01) Uh-oh...she's got the eyes-covered secretive expression.
(10:29) Win by fanservice? I never seem to be attracted to those.
(11:21-30) Okay...they're totally upping Tsukasa's moe-factor with overalls. She looks 10. Kyon's Imouto and Ikamori Mika come to mind right there.
(13:00) I'm sorry, but those Tsukasa-centric moe skits are starting to get old, even though this is possibly the first occurence that she has attracted me.
(14:15-18) Kagami 1 - 3 Kona. Great use of silence here.
(14:45) Kagami 1 - Kona 3 - TSUKASA SURPRISE 1. The more I think about it the more I think Tsukasa's secretly (or even innocently) resentful against Kona. I get it...they hate how she's stealing the show and they're all ganging up to dethrone her, with Tsukasa spearheading the assault.
(16:18) You sound like a mom, Kagami. Be Kona's.
(16:28) WTF. Period.
(16:42-45) MOMMY I DID IT!!!
(16:54) Haha...great Kagami jab and quick apology. Did she somehow have the unpleasant experience of a fully depressed Kona?
(17:54) Yep...we know.
(18:23) Well, there's your supposedly extended Lucky Channel here, Kaoishin-sama. Only this time it's hard to complain.
(18:37) Whoa...he got it right with a straight face!
(18:46) Amazing mirroring of public opinion. Cookies for KyoAni.
(18:49) No, no, no, Shirashi. You're perfectly fine. Keep up the rebellion.
(19:11) That's it...Akira has cemented her status as Official Loli-B*tch.
(19:28) 1upped. Perhaps Lucky Channel is really all about Shirashi.
(19:40) Akira got spammed.
(19:54) Shirashi's getting bolder by the minute.
(20:00) If you replace him, Akira, we'll totally disregard you and your crap channel. Shirashi is now officially the only reason I watch LC.
(20:20-30) I laughed like a maniac at Shirashi's pronounciation. That is perfect comedic Engrish right there, anime studios. Get it right. Doooon't Touch Me.
(21:11) Stay alive, man. We'll be waiting for you.
(21:19) Damn right, Akira. We hate you.
(21:36) Holy crap, Mr. Kujira. Talk about budget shortage.
(~23:30) Sorry Miyuki fans, but the only reason I stick around when she does the preview is for the rarely lengthened preview BGM.
This is the first episode that I find myself with absolutely no complaints about. 10 out of 10, finally.
JediNight
2007-05-30, 23:37
Anyone know what anime the Relay race is supposed to make fun of? With that special BGM and the way they present the scene, I assume it's referring to some sports anime. I don't follow sports anime really, so I don't know what ones would be about track.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-30, 23:38
Anyone know what anime the Relay race is supposed to make fun of? With that special BGM and the way they present the scene, I assume it's referring to some sports anime. I don't follow sports anime really, so I don't know what ones would be about track.
I'm pretty sure its the exact same BGM as the one they used in the Initial D! parody.
Also did nobody catch the Pseudo Gundam Reference (The paraphrased Char Quote) that the teacher uttered. It's at about 6:27-6:31.
Also I hereby demand that the mystery loli that appears at the 8:06 mark be in every episode from now on. In like 10 seconds she is more loli-moe than the entire cast of the episode.
Oh and I just now sat down for the ending theme. Man! Aya Hirano is a champion at bad Engrish.
The following is based on[a.f.k.]'s fansub.
(Very Brief) Random Thoughts on Ep08:
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Now that the official lyrics has been released, it still astounds me how mind-numbingly fast the lyrics are...
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I agree with Konata. Don't cut your hair, Kagami!
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What main event after the sports festival? I'm as clueless as Tsukasa here. Can somebody fill me in?
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Miyuki's saintly dodges. :heh: What's more hilarious is that even Tsukasa was thinking bad thoughts!
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Nanako encourages her students to commit violence. :heh:
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Kagami breaks the 4th wall again when she comments on Konata's imagery.
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I can't stop laughing from the BGM during Tsukasa's hurdles race. :D
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Miyuki's victory in the relay race reminded me of Nayuki from Kanon(2006). Was this incident in the 4Koma?
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The visual gag of Tsukasa's ribbon getting more and more jagged was a nice touch.
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First time Konata gets visibly angry at Tsukasa. :heh: Goes to show that even the underdog can get their bones from time to time. :D
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Konata craving attention from Kagami was creepy, and very different from their usual dynamics.
Cheers.
Ffenix Rising
2007-05-31, 00:32
What main event after the sports festival? I'm as clueless as Tsukasa here. Can somebody fill me in?
In Japan, typically, after a sports festival there's the dance around the bonfire where boys and girls pair up. Near the end of the sports festival conversation, Kagami mentioned about training for the sports festival, Konata suspects that Kagami has an ulterior motive to stay fit... and that is to snag a guy at the end of sports festival, the dance around the bonfire - the main event.
Or at least I'm certain that's what Konata was implying.
(Note: quite a few anime series have sports festivals with the bonfire dance afterwards, such as To Heart, so that's why I made the conjecture.)
Ffenix Rising
2007-05-31, 00:35
(Note 2: By the way, do Japanese students still have the bonfire dance after the sports festival, or any festival for that
matter?)
(Bah! Stupid double post...)
CrowKenobi
2007-05-31, 00:41
In Japan, typically, after a sports festival there's the dance around the bonfire where boys and girls pair up. Near the end of the sports festival conversation, Kagami mentioned about training for the sports festival, Konata suspects that Kagami has an ulterior motive to stay fit... and that is to snag a guy at the end of sports festival, the dance around the bonfire - the main event.
Or at least I'm certain that's what Konata was implying.
(Note: quite a few anime series have sports festivals with the bonfire dance afterwards, such as To Heart, so that's why I made the conjecture.)My thoughts, exactly! :D
But with Kagami's luck, she'll get paired up with Konata! :heh:
:cool:
My thoughts, exactly! :D
But with Kagami's luck, she'll get paired up with Konata! :heh:
:cool:
Nono... Kagami gets paired up with Konata's father. ;)
(refer to Kaorin and Kimura-sensei from Azumanga Daioh for full effect) :naughty:
Cheers. ;)
CrowKenobi
2007-05-31, 00:56
Nono... Kagami gets paired up with Konata's father. ;)
(refer to Kaorin and Kimura-sensei from Azumanga Daioh for full effect) :naughty:
Cheers. ;)You're evil! EVIL! :D :heh: (in a good way) :p
(now why didn't I think of that!) :bash:
:cool:
Ffenix Rising
2007-05-31, 01:05
(18:46) Amazing mirroring of public opinion. Cookies for KyoAni.
It's things like this that makes me respect the show's producers and animators more and more. Now, I wish the people of Kyoto Animation would grill their fanatics and detractors in their anime more. THAT would really make my day. :D
DragoonKain3
2007-05-31, 01:08
^
I was thinking the same thing. Only with me, my mind is more and less in the gutter (I blame Kona and flags) in that I'm also thinking what happens after that as well. Needless to say, I was laughing hysterical at that part. (dead silence plus clueless tsukasa played a part as well)
Another hilarious part would be Tsukasa pointing out that chocolate cornets are considered desserts as well. Though to be fair, its Kona's reaction that made it so funny. XD
Miyuki gets plus points for me this time around. I actually find the fanservice around her to be tasteful compared to fanservice in other series. Plus, serious!Miyuki blew the other girls this time around. <3
LC is great as ever (clipboard upside down + glare = chuckleworthy), though I really didn't like the ED. C'mon, mo' lyrics pwease! >_>
As for the preview, absolutely worthless! It was just the three girls walking around? C'mon, now!
What I want to know though is why is Kona-dad attending athletic festivals to take pictures of high school girls. Isn't he supposed to be a lolicon?
Also, afk subs said that the Newtype was the May issue, when the cover said June. Mistake on afk's part, or did Kona really did say May issue? (Yes yes, I'm aware of the fact that the magazines issues 'come out' one month before their printed date)
Ffenix Rising
2007-05-31, 01:19
LC is great as ever (clipboard upside down + glare = chuckleworthy), though I really didn't like the ED. C'mon, mo' lyrics pwease! >_>
As for the preview, absolutely worthless! It was just the three girls walking around? C'mon, now!
"Hey! Last week, you guys complained about having no preview, so this week we made it longer, and you guys still complain! Ingrates!"
- Yasuhiro Takemoto, current director for Lucky Star
"You people complained when Konata sounded like Hirano-san, so that's why we did away with her lyrics for this week's show... and now you people complain again! Man, we just can't get a break with you people!"
- Satoru Kousaki, music/composer for Lucky Star
(Okay, they obviously didn't say that, but I wouldn't be surprised if they thought about creating the karaoke sequence and next episode preview in their offices to spite their so-called fans.) :D
My thoughts, exactly! :D
But with Kagami's luck, she'll get paired up with Konata! :heh:
:cool:Nono... Kagami gets paired up with Konata's father. ;)
(refer to Kaorin and Kimura-sensei from Azumanga Daioh for full effect) :naughty:
Cheers. ;)You're evil! EVIL! :D :heh: (in a good way) :p
(now why didn't I think of that!) :bash:
:cool:
Now with video reference. :heh: Just pretend that Kaorin is Kagami, and Kimura is Konata's father.
OiWONRGzj5ICheers. ;)
Well, not everyone might have seen it yet, so spoilers...
So, we see more of Konata's dad, who is a total pervert as it appears he's going round school sports festivals with his telephoto lens claiming he's there to cheer on his daughter. Ironically, the one time this could be a valid excuse he's dragged off the premises.
When Tsukasa was asking how the bread is attached to the line, did anyone else have flashbacks to that scene in Azumanga Daioh when Osaka is imagining the bread being on a hook and she'll be caught like a fish?
So who hasn't seen a book or something in a shop, bought it, and then gone home to find that you already have it? I did something like that only a few weeks ago.
MONKEY!
Brilliant. Shame we didn't get more than the intro and the first line though.
(To explain: An amusingly dubbed version was shown on British TV in the late 70s/early 80s and became a total cult classic)
JediNight
2007-05-31, 05:15
I thought the Karaoke for Ep8 was really funny. Adding a song with a really long intro so that they barely get to sing before it's cut off rofl...
hydropod
2007-05-31, 05:40
Good idea. I should also find a stake in the May 2007 issue of Newtype judging by the fact Konata's postcard is in there (Oh it's going to be in there for real, you can count on it). Buy em all up and then Scalp em or something.
Someone had already found it :p. June edition page 153...
http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=izumikonatarc7.jpg
Sorrow-K
2007-05-31, 05:44
Bleh episode. Half the jokes from the first half were inane variations of jokes from Azumanga, but lacking that series' masterful execution. I think I laughed all of twice during this ep... once when Kagami knocked over the bread-hanging bar and then when Konata bought a volume of Shuffle! she already has (the fact that she buys Shuffle! related merchandise means that my respect for her taste in anime has dropped considerably). Other than that, not a single chuckle-inducing scene for me.
My opinion of this show: falling... falling...
Tatsumiko
2007-05-31, 06:58
Miyuki: I hope ill finish first ^^....Abridged-Joey : With ya boobies right?
I'd rather saw Konata-chan racing...but she looked so cool in that suit <3...aww poor Tsukasa this is definitly an unlucky ep (I feel for ya!!)
Konata: Me not speaking english..XD
(hears preview for next ep)...Ok Miyuki stop it!...just stop it already! ><"
Hope they will make a figure of Konata!!!...Tsukasa will also be good or Kagami....but Miyuki...
I REALLY hope to heaven she'll get better in the next eps..I dont wanna hate her!!><
This episode was a notch down for me from the previous one, although there were still some really funny moments. Kagami knocking over the bread-hanging bar was definitely the funniest moment for me - didn't really see that coming, but somehow it just seems so 'typical' for the accident to happen.
Quite a lot of jokes were lost on me for this episode; probably explains why I felt a little lost (either that, or it just didn't appeal to me this time). But Lucky Channel is slowly improving, IMO, almost as if the animation team is reading our 'complaints', lol. :heh:
The karaoke segment was pulled off in a funny twist, with a different take on it this episode, rather than the usual banter between the girls. Gotta love the long drawn-out intro, and Konata singing barely past the first line before giving up because it's "English". Lol.
Also I hereby demand that the mystery loli that appears at the 8:06 mark be in every episode from now on. In like 10 seconds she is more loli-moe than the entire cast of the episode.
She's been there since episode 1 (check the opening ^^) so I'll say eventually she will get a bigger role.
wat was that song during that relay race?
also, wats with that "aya aya etc " chant??
Kinny Riddle
2007-05-31, 08:19
Now with video reference. :heh: Just pretend that Kaorin is Kagami, and Kimura is Konata's father.
OiWONRGzj5ICheers. ;)
ROFL. Thanks for the visual reference, I believe that's exactly how Kona-chan's father would behave. :heh: Though Kona-chan wouldn't be as freaked out as Kaorin.
Just seeing the screenshots was one-thing, but watching the episode was another experience altogether. I find myself laughing from beginning to end.
Highlight of the ep has got to be Kagami knocking the bread-hanging bar. It was typical slapstick, but executed superbly.
I still find it weird that the rest of the schoolgirls (as well as cafe ladies), all sounded like the creepy Orochimaru from Naruto (since they're all voiced by Kujira).
Collecting manga volumes myself, I totally understand how Kona-chan feels when she accidentally bought another copy of a volume she already has. It's sometimes hard to keep track of how many volumes you have, especially long running series. :D
i loved it when tsukasa burned konata. :D
damn, kagami is portrayed as some food-loving monster. but she's still the cutest. :p
Meophist
2007-05-31, 11:14
As for the preview, absolutely worthless! It was just the three girls walking around? C'mon, now!I found it fairly entertaining in the fact that it's was Miyuki's preview, and the entire thing was Konata, Tsukasa, and Kagami walking together talking.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-31, 11:25
Bleh episode. Half the jokes from the first half were inane variations of jokes from Azumanga, but lacking that series' masterful execution. I think I laughed all of twice during this ep... once when Kagami knocked over the bread-hanging bar and then when Konata bought a volume of Shuffle! she already has (the fact that she buys Shuffle! related merchandise means that my respect for her taste in anime has dropped considerably). Other than that, not a single chuckle-inducing scene for me.
My opinion of this show: falling... falling...
In all fairness to Konata, she has to like whatever Kadokawa wants her to like. Though I agree they could have come up with at least 20 better titles for her to buy than Shuffle! Expect sales to spike for that magazine though (maybe the sales were low so they had her buy the volume in the episode to boost them).
Whatever the case the fact that she bought one that she already was is a great stab at the buying frenzies that otaku get worked up into. This was my favourite joke of the episode along with "Mistakes of Youth" and some of the sports events jokes (not including the Miyuki win joke which I've seen many times before). There's something mildy amusing about watching these girls fall flat on their asses. It's not something you see everyday. First half was mildly amusing and not a complete waste, In the second half the School Scenes and the Kagami and Tsukasa Recorder scenes were balls, but the manga store and the walking scene made up for them. I've noticed a trend that the first half often has strong jokes and the second half is really slow and boring up until the last couple of minutes where the best joke is usually used and the momentum builds only to be cut off by Lucky Channel (which is usually boring, but this episode they actually made fun of how they are a one trick pony, which is so true as to make Lucky Channel mildy amusing for the first time).
z3phyr.mp3
2007-05-31, 11:27
I found it fairly entertaining in the fact that it's was Miyuki's preview, and the entire thing was Konata, Tsukasa, and Kagami walking together talking.
yeah... i also found it interesting that the preview only shows konata, tsukasa and kagami walking... and all throughout the preview they were exchanging places...
best part for me in the episode has got to be tsukasa imagining herself to be the older of the twins and believing that older=smarter... :heh::heh::heh:
also loved the recorder playing part where tsukasa's ribbon reflected her state...
konata is right when saying that kagami has goota keep the twin tail look...
btw is tsundere = bipolar :confused::confused::confused:
the part when tsukasa had tsukkomi konata about the choco coronet was great especially seeing konata's reaction...
and as others have already mentioned... miyuki winning because of her assets, kagami and tsukasa's mishaps during their events also brought a smile to my face...
hmmm... i think i'll be summarizing the episode if i mention the things that i thought great... overall i really liked this episode... 10 out of 10 for me...
konata is right when saying that kagami has goota keep the twin tail look...
btw is tsundere = bipolar :confused::confused::confused:
Absolutely (though she does occasionally do other cute things with her hair).
I'll actually cut A.F.K. some slack on that loose interpretation. Its incorrect... actually if I were going for localization, I'd have probably written Konata saying something politically incorrect about Kagamin ("hormonal" .... "PMSing")
This episode had me feeling a bit more like I was reading the comic than watching some overlayered "implicit reference we've inserted" show. I can tell if I've really liked the show by how disappointed I am when the Lucky*Channel card comes up. :) A few points to L*C this week just because of the marvelous animation wackiness.
I think the repeated Shuffle! barbs are rather cute (Kona goes for the low-brow lurid). However, I consider all the Kagami-Tsukasa interactions to be the priceless parts of the episode.
Kona-dad: I was expecting a lower-register voice but it works, hopefully we'll get to see more than the one gag version of him.
I think my favorite part was the flute recorder sequence ... we have a "musical" household so I have years of experience listening to music being tortured until they get it right.
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As far as "riffing from AzuDa" ... I'm not sure its possible to do a school sports festival without repeating some of the situations since by definition they run the same events. All you can do is make the event fit the personalities you've developed. "Trying too hard" Kagami, "Spaced out" Tsukasa, "3 cup sizes bigger for the win" Miyuki, and "Largo-filter worldview" Kona ...
Azumanga Daioh was written in 1999 and the anime was broadcast in 2002 .... given the recycled nature of comedy in general (all roads lead back through the Honeymooners and off to vaudeville), I think after five years its okay to try a variant take on situations.
Just because I love the Marx Brothers and Looney Toons doesn't mean I can't appreciate Animaniacs ... :)
About the Shuffle bit:
She plays ero-games for Christ's sake!
She have quoted Mayumi's flat chests line, have a Mayumi poster in her bedroom, she could have very well played Tsukihime and have a craploads of Tsukihime merchandise, made Tsukihime references in the anime, or she could be a 100% Naruto fangirl and hoard a truckload of Naruto goodie, it would have been the same deal. It just so happens that KyoAni or the director have chosen Shuffle because?? For the hell of it? Just like how some people like to quote the Holy Bible or how Tarantino choose to make his soundtrack off various songs instead of hiring someone like Hans Zimmer or Danny Elfman?
So if Konata had another kind of goodies under the label of a big name like Final Fantasy or Gundam, would you scream viral marketing? Would you question her tastes?
Deathkillz
2007-05-31, 12:32
In all fairness to Konata, she has to like whatever Kadokawa wants her to like. Though I agree they could have come up with at least 20 better titles for her to buy than Shuffle! Expect sales to spike for that magazine though (maybe the sales were low so they had her buy the volume in the episode to boost them).
probably...after the failure that is the recap series some unsold stock needs a boot up the ass :heh:
but then again they cant be accused of product placement too much if the series they are "placing" in front of the viewers isnt some massive hyped up series in the first place :uhoh: (i bet you would be choking if a certain "uguu" character popped up :rolleyes:)
Heh.... its okay.. calm down :) There's just some very strong opinions about Shuffle! that permeate the board. Sorrow-K and I tend to think of it as a trainwreck for a variety of reasons we've already posted innumerable times about. Its actually kind of funny she follows it. Naturally, Konata would think highly of Mayumi with her assertive nature and "special tastes" style. :)
Kaioshin Sama
2007-05-31, 12:48
About the Shuffle bit:
She plays ero-games for Christ's sake!
She have quoted Mayumi's flat chests line, have a Mayumi poster in her bedroom, she could have very well played Tsukihime and have a craploads of Tsukihime merchandise, made Tsukihime references in the anime, or she could be a 100% Naruto fangirl and hoard a truckload of Naruto goodie, it would have been the same deal. It just so happens that KyoAni or the director have chosen Shuffle because?? For the hell of it? Just like how some people like to quote the Holy Bible or how Tarantino choose to make his soundtrack off various songs instead of hiring someone like Hans Zimmer or Danny Elfman?
So if Konata had another kind of goodies under the label of a big name like Final Fantasy or Gundam, would you scream viral marketing? Would you question her tastes?
They didn't choose Shuffle for the hell of it or because its an H-Game, they chose it because it was in a Kadokawa Shoten published magazine. She's also not going to have Final Fantasy merchandise. She'd sooner have a Record of Lodoss War, or Lunar: The Silver Star Story disc than a Final Fantasy VII copy. Kadokawa however does indeed publish Gundam Ace so there's a chance that Crossbone Gundam could appear in some capacity.
Whether or not adverting is the intention... its a lot cheaper to use material for which you already have an interest in the copyright (especially since the gag depended on a closeup of the volumes).
Not that exposure in Lucky*Star would have any chance of helping the thing as it slides into oblivion :)
Sorrow-K
2007-05-31, 18:31
I think people are really over-estimating Lucky Star's influence and people's gullibleness if they think that a couple of reference in that to a mediocre harem with waning popularity is going to effect its sales. I mean, really.
And I don't think the Shuffle! references are a bad thing. I actually think they're kind of cute in a way, just like most of the other references in a series. But, hypothetically speaking, if I were to meet Konota IRL and she said she was a Shuffle! fan, I would start having question marks about her taste in anime, just as I would for any other anime fan that professed that. I mean, as diplomatically as I can possibly put this, the Shuffle! fan is a species I've always had a difficult time trying to understand...
Great episode overall.
Bits I loved:
Tsunderes must sport twintails!
The Scavenger Mystery :uhoh:.
The ruler trick.
Tsukasa's "If I were the older sister..."
Konata's postcard... and Kagami's "support" :D
Konata's trying to dodge the points system... and failing. But not like she cares that much :D.
(I find Skane's system better suited to comment about LS; the show is just constructed that way :) )
I still resent the tsundere/bipolar bit, but since a.f.k. releases have been fast and accuarate overall, that isn't much to complain about.
Still: Tsundere =/= Bipolar:p
yanouchi
2007-05-31, 20:30
somebody please explain why Shiraishi said "Don't touch me" when Akira-sama peeling the clipboard??...
I liked how that one guy does so many of the extra voices.
Samatarou
2007-05-31, 22:14
I'm getting pretty tired of the Shuffle stuff too, it's clearly product placement, and yet there are far more interesting Kadokawa titles that Kona-chan could "like", e.g. Karin, with all OTT the nose bleeding etc. it would be right up her street I would have thought and could be the setup for some jokes, whereas ISTM Shuffle has no use in the plot at all.
Y'know... suddenly I feel great about not having watched Shuffle! and thus being unable to catch many of the Shuffle! references. :)
..Ain't I a stinker? :)
I *suppose* the connection is that two of the characters (Mayumi and Primula) are built like Kona so she has some attachment to that.
But yeah... some indication that she watches other things like Karin would be nice. We know she has *some* taste (she watches Haruhi) but I kind of expect her to seek out obscure titles and mysterious niche series.
Fortunately, that she watches Shuffle is completely irrelevant to the plot -- the main joke was "stuff I have to GET!!!", "oops I bought the same volume twice", "and a poster homage to Mayumi over her computer. It is totally unnecessary to know what Shuffle was about (outside of the 'special tastes' connection :) ).
angel_wing0
2007-05-31, 23:43
another great episode...9.5 out of 10 but since there is no 9.5 i give it a 10 :D
I mean, as diplomatically as I can possibly put this, the Shuffle! fan is a species I've always had a difficult time trying to understand...
Just like how I feel whenever I meet a Naruto fan (when there are waaay better shonen around, like JoJo or Gunnm/Batle Angel Alita), alright. Case closed.
I pretty much agree on how people seems to overestimate whatever influence Lucky Star have and blow the thing out of proportion.
FatPianoBoy
2007-06-01, 02:01
Just like how I feel whenever I meet a Naruto fan (when there are waaay better shonen around, like JoJo or Gunnm/Batle Angel Alita)
Not to nitpick or drive this off-topic, but I very, very seriously doubt GUNNM is aimed at the 12-18 crowd; what with entrails flying about and whatnot.
I think these long-running series have a sort of loyalty factor that keeps people interested. I know a guy who has quite literally lost almost all interest in manga and anime, yet still reads the Naruto raws when they're released even though he admits that he doesn't really care anymore. Of course, he's been following it since it began.
I dunno, but in France, it was aimed at this age range, and the manga itself was highly praised by medias that usually scorn manga and anime.
EDIT: Ok, it was listed as Seinen over wikipedia. I guess it was misaimed in France, just like how Hokuto no Ken was aired at prime time during the old days (it sparkled that famous anti-manga/anime sentiment you have heard of in the french presidency topic).
Would my statement still stand if I replace the mentionned manga with "YuYu Hakusho"?
Interesting. It seems there has been a lot of pre-planning for the NewType references. Konata's entry is for "real".
Refer to this article. (http://www.darkmirage.com/2007/06/01/konatas-fanart/)
Cheers.
CrowKenobi
2007-06-01, 03:45
Interesting. It seems there has been a lot of pre-planning for the NewType references. Konata's entry is for "real".
Refer to this article. (http://www.darkmirage.com/2007/06/01/konatas-fanart/)
Cheers.Good article; and in the comments section, someone is wondering if Aya Hirano drew that picture! :)
:cool:
To be honest, it's running dry in Seinfeld-like/Family Guy humour. Though I did have a giggle at the mention of HMS Dreadnought.
I find the magic of Lucky Star is the ability for people to connect the events of the characters to their experiences. The terrible recorder playing and the Hurdle Event for example. While none of these are exactly *funny* by themselves, they triggered good memories of my personal childhood (and funny ones too). And to those who don't have such memories, the moe factor of say Tsukasa attracts attention.
I personally don't know what they're trying to achieve however; I was rather sure this was meant to be a full blown comedy not a "remember your past and when all fails die from the moe factor". They're just cashing in on the moe factor while it's still hot methinks; and it appears to be working alright...
@Smithj
Your comment on memory event connection is well-aimed. There's a heavy feel of nostalgia (or nostalgia for the way things should have been). This is often a key component of 'slice of life'. I have a particular fondness for that sort of story element (hence the recorder sequence had me smiling so much my mouth is sore).
Other than that? They're adapting the manga ... and I think they're doing a pretty good job. If you like the manga, its a win. Its not a PPD HAHAHA funny, the comedy is much more gentle in the manga (someone called this sort of thing "human comedy").
Kaioshin Sama
2007-06-01, 11:32
Interesting. It seems there has been a lot of pre-planning for the NewType references. Konata's entry is for "real".
Refer to this article. (http://www.darkmirage.com/2007/06/01/konatas-fanart/)
Cheers.
I told you it would actually appear and was likely mentioned in the anime to boost sales. That issue is going to fly off the shelves. Lucky Star, Comedy Anime or Kadokawa Shopping Channel. The line is forever blurred.
I bet most people who will post in the comments section think it's like the coolest idea ever and it's never been done before and it's a very witty and detailed play between real life and anime and yet how could you not see it coming, I would have done the exact same thing. Which means that Kyoto Animation thinks like me. Scary. :uhoh: Either way a bit disillusioned with what exactly the goal of this anime is now. :( People know how I hate product placement and its getting worse and more blatant with each passing episode.
edit: I made a post of my own there actually in my usual paragraph long style. Maybe I went a wee bit overboard, but it is an intriguing idea (Even if I could see it coming a mile a way when I saw the episode). How come nobody ever noticed that Haruka Amami had a blog though. One is left to wonder if it only matters when Kyoto Animation does something like this. To me the fact that a character from an anime series actually has a real life blog is far more interesting than some fanart in a magazine they want me to buy to get it.
You sir need a chill pill. A few praising posts does not represent the average casual fan, this minority does not mean we, as a whole, are mindless zealots bumping our heards repeatedly on the floor while hoping for God to send us a sign.
Chill up already.
And that's after reading your post here and there.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-06-01, 12:24
You sir need a chill pill. A few praising posts does not represent the average casual fan, this minority does not mean we, as a whole, are mindless zealots bumping our heards repeatedly on the floor while hoping for God to send us a sign.
Chill up already.
And that's after reading your post here and there.
That's why I said I probably went overboard. I'll probably never be able to fully relax as when this company specifically does this kind of stuff it has a way of getting blown way out of proportion on the internet (you know what I mean).
Plus, I'd rather hope to see people sending another message as well to them to tone down the advertising a bit and kick up the comedy rather than just being Yes Men. I also have issues about praising advertising as it sends a message to the company I'd rather not give them. Remember how out of hand the Pizza Hut thing got. Basically the opposite of this message:
Elydis
June 1st, 2007 at 7:30 pm
Haha was thinking of buying the mag cause konata mentioned it. Tks for the picture and u arnt cheating unless u r caught. Lucky star is definetly an awesome anime, thank god it is not licensed.
Even I find it hard to believe that somebody actually said that, but it's true. Some of the comments on this page are absolutely outrageous.
Tyrenol
June 1st, 2007 at 6:54 am
>>and also, as a side note, includes a small plead for Shirashi-kun to be given better treatment.
Shiraishi does need better treatment.
The fact that KyoAni can pull a stunt like that is one of the same reasons the media and advertising industries are losing their audience every day. The line between entertainment and advertising is gone. And good stories can’t be told anymore as long as everybody’s trying to cash in. WTF, Japan.
This is the message we should be sending.
Having Kona's post actually appear in NewType is an interesting bit of integrative marketing that makes the lame McDonald's movie tie-ins look very pale (we don't actually sell food, we sell little scraps of pretend-toys made by people in China who think American consumers must be freaking nuts).
Basically I think its cute (blurring the line tween fantasy and reality) but I'm not going to go out and buy NewType just because of it. For those that do, P.T. Barnum said it best :) For those that already buy/subscribe, its just an extra little bonus/silliness.
I'll choose what I'm suckered for more carefully.
Daniel E.
2007-06-01, 13:00
Just watched the episode! :)
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3509/grab24149ga8.th.jpg (http://img234.imageshack.us/my.php?image=grab24149ga8.jpg)
This part made me remember the time when my name appeared in one of the Oh My Goddes! mangas (Dark Horse) on their pen pal lists at the end. :D
I also got pretty crazy about it, and I also got the So What? look from my friends. :heh:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-06-01, 13:04
Basically I think its cute (blurring the line tween fantasy and reality) but I'm not going to go out and buy NewType just because of it. For those that do, P.T. Barnum said it best :) For those that already buy/subscribe, its just an extra little bonus/silliness.
I'll choose what I'm suckered for more carefully.
Thank god for that. That's exactly what it should be, an added bonus. I honestly cannot believe how many comments on blogs I've already seen about people wanting to buy the issue just for that fanart, and they don't even appear to be literate in Japanese either. I mean I knew some KyoAni fans where rabid, but I still held out hope that they could discriminate between "advertising and extremely cool play between anime and real life".
Ebay should have some auctions for it soon enough I would imagine.
Seriously though the comments like the one I mentioned in my post seriously make me worry for the future of independent thought. I just wish these people would actually consider a little bit before commenting on something which I think is controversial and bears a little extra thought and consideration. Even a little, "Well I know it's advertising and it's neat, but maybe I'll check out what else is in the issue and see if I want to buy it, then I'll also have the fanart" would be better than:
Kouji
June 1st, 2007 at 7:29 am
So did Hirano Aya drew this?
Maybe it's just one of those mistakes of youth. And yes I know these people don't represent Kyoto Animation and Anime Fans as a whole, but my god are there a lot more of these types of fans in Kyoto Animation's court then any other companies. How can anyone deny that?
Ffenix Rising
2007-06-01, 13:24
Seriously though the comments like the one I mentioned in my post seriously make me worry for the future of independent thought.
Dude, it's already too late... we have George Bush as president after all! :p
/zing!
Samatarou
2007-06-01, 14:21
Y'know... suddenly I feel great about not having watched Shuffle! and thus being unable to catch many of the Shuffle! references. :)
I'm not aware of any actual references (but then I haven't seen Shuffle! either!), I was thinking of all the images of Shuffle stuff - posters, manga, etc. we keep seeing in Lucky Star. If I were one of Kadokawa's other authors (other than Haruhi author Nagaru Tanigawa of course) I'd be feeling pissed off by now that they weren't mentioning my story. I guess I feel for Karin author Yuna Kagesaki in particular since from her omake she strikes me as being exactly like Konata, a female otaku who's into the sort of stuff that you associate more with male otaku. Kagesaki's high school days seem to have been not unlike Konata's, she didn't spend much time studying either.
As to the title "Shuffle", given the focus on sexy girls I always assumed it came from this term (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knuckle+Shuffle), I recall someone claiming that once anyhow ;)
Yuna Kagesaki, writing to
complain about lack of publicity
for Karin in Lucky Star:
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/917/yunawl0.png
The more I think about it... it would make more sense to place *all* their products in Kona's "stash of anime" ... so where IS Karin's manga and anime on Kona's shelf, eh? :)
Minor trend development with Kona's stuff... she has a Kooh figure (from Pangya), she has Mayumi (Shuffle!) poster on the wall. Perhaps she has a special attachment for anime/manga with girls who are waifs....
I told you it would actually appear and was likely mentioned in the anime to boost sales. That issue is going to fly off the shelves. Lucky Star, Comedy Anime or Kadokawa Shopping Channel. The line is forever blurred.
You are seriously graping at straws. The image was first noticed before the show even aired. The image was available online before the show even aired. (His zomg stealth cell picture skills were for nothing. Better scans were already floating around.) This will have a very minor positive effect on sales from Lucky Star fans who want to collect the stuff. All they did was acknowledge the letter was planned and wasn't just a coincidence. (Which the lucky star article inside does too.) Since in Japan, you can pick up a magazine and read it without buying it, people who are just curious won't need to buy it or will just look at scans. The majority of people are not going to suddenly run out to buy it just to keep that one page.
Aya Reiko
2007-06-01, 15:36
Interesting. It seems there has been a lot of pre-planning for the NewType references. Konata's entry is for "real".
Refer to this article. (http://www.darkmirage.com/2007/06/01/konatas-fanart/)
Cheers.
Added bonus; The text under the picture says "Saitama / Izumi Konata . 17 years old *"
Furudanuki
2007-06-01, 18:18
I'm not aware of any actual references (but then I haven't seen Shuffle! either!), I was thinking of all the images of Shuffle stuff - posters, manga, etc. we keep seeing in Lucky Star. If I were one of Kadokawa's other authors (other than Haruhi author Nagaru Tanigawa of course) I'd be feeling pissed off by now that they weren't mentioning my story. I guess I feel for Karin author Yuna Kagesaki in particular since from her omake she strikes me as being exactly like Konata, a female otaku who's into the sort of stuff that you associate more with male otaku. Kagesaki's high school days seem to have been not unlike Konata's, she didn't spend much time studying either.
Putting in my $0.02..., YMMV
I'd love to see a Karin reference as well, but I can think of several valid reasons why they would choose to use Shuffle! here.
Whether your opinion of the Shuffle! franchise is good, bad, or indifferent, the fact is that the character designs are very recognizable - especially Sia and Nerine - and Navel has made sure to keep them in the otaku public eye. The original Shuffle! PC eroge has spawned two sequel games, one PS2 console game, one and 1/12 anime series, at least one - and I think there was a second - manga series, several figurine sets, and more posters than I even want to think about. Check out just about any anime image board - the girls are all over the place.
They are again emphasizing that Konata is not simply a female otaku, but that she has odd tastes in subject matter that are more in line with a male otaku. Shuffle! originated as an eroge, and any viewer even slightly acquainted with the franchise would be aware of that. Karin, on the other hand, is a relatively tame romantic comedy with a "twist": the vampire angle. So which would be more likely to generate a double take at the checkout counter: a girl who looks like she still ought to be in middle school buying a copy of Karin, or the same girl with a copy of Shuffle!?
Didn't Konata mention in an earlier episode that her dad played eroge on the computer while she watched? Want to bet that one of them was the original Shuffle! game? ;)
Plus, as several people have mentioned, Konata probably feels a bond of sisterhood for Mayumi when it comes to attracting men with "special tastes". Except Mayumi is freaking tall - the same height as Mai from Kanon - so Konata would look like a hobbit standing next to her.
Anyway, let's be patient. Hopefully we will get a look at what else Konata keeps on her shelves in future episodes.
Anime Online
2007-06-01, 19:03
I've bought Newtype for years and always skipped the postcard section. However, I've stopped buying the magazine after getting sick of their stupid Gundam fascination. Regardless, it's a nice touch KyoAni snuck a Lucky Star postcard into the magazine as preparation for one of the episodes.
I don't see how this will make much difference in the sales of Newtype magazine, since the May issue would be quite hard to find at this time. Unless the bookstore has the shelf-space to keep copies of the previous months' issues, which they don't really, considering the variety of their stock. I've missed some of my monthly issues because I was late in picking it up, and they are all gone from all the Kinokuniya branches by the time I started hunting for them.
People who say how this will boost sales probably never have a magazine collection before.
Considering Konata's "DFC" sensibilities, it wouldn't really make a lot of sense for her to be a fan of Karin, where none of the characters fit the bill (or at least one who is easily recognisable).
Cheers.
I've bought Newtype for years and always skipped the postcard section. However, I've stopped buying the magazine after getting sick of their stupid Gundam fascination.
Quoted for irony. :D
As for this episode (since I apparently forgot to write about it earlier)...
This episode is one where, in my opinion, they have all the timing nailed. I complained about it a lot before, but I can't complain about it here. They're doing a great job.
The overall pacing took a turn for the odd for me, but I won't complain too much, because this show is about the small moments. When they can combine the consistent timing of this episode with the overall pacing of episode 6, they'll really have things down. It's just marvelous in the meantime, though.
One note on oddity: I think the first scene with the four girls at school is a good example of how they occasionally overdo the music cuts for effect. I think this scene would have worked better had they not dropped the music as much (or at least as abruptly).
Standout moments:
- The opening scene, just because of the tone of Konata's reaction.
- Kagami winning her event.
- Konatai's visualization.
- Determined Miyuki. I don't know why I love it. I just do.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-06-01, 21:02
Why am I always writing to dispute something my friend Kaioshin says? Anyway, this time it's his disdain for the person who thought Hirano Aya might have drawn the postcard in NewType.
First, that's a reasonable subject of speculation, just because it would be interesting if a seiyuu did cross over like that. Second, she does draw, as we saw with the little cat-men she festooned the SHnY site and publicity with. See this page (http://www.haruhi.tv/). I myself wondered if she drew the figures of Tsukasa, Miyuki, and Kagami featured near the end of episode 7.
I came to the conclusion that she probably didn't draw them or the postcard, since those and the postcard are both at a somewhat higher level of skill than those little cat-men she drew, and she wasn't credited, but it might have been possible. She drew what I recall was a slightly better pic of Haruhi on a TV show, but I don't have a pic of that right now to compare.
And by the way, what did you mean over there on Dark Mirage that Haruka of Idolmaster Xenoglossia has a blog "in real life"? Do you mean the studio makes a blog for the character, the seiyuu makes a blog for the character, the seiyuu has a blog, Haruka has a blog in the show, or there is really a Haruka, who has a blog? Anyway, I could only stand to watch one and a bit episodes of that show, personally. I'd better watch another to see if it has come closer to my taste.
This is not to deny your main points that comments on that blog were not to the high standard of AnimeSuki, and that sometimes we may give KyoAni more credit for this kind of self-referentiality than they deserve. However, I think they deserve a lot of credit for it, myself. It's not unique to them, but they seem to do it more than anyone else, and not always flatteringly. Self-referentiality is the soul of TV, imo.
And of course, I don't object at all to cross-marketing -- although this was probably not actually that, because of the time-lag.
@Vexx's next post: I don't recall the product placement in The Truman Show. I was too busy giving it an instant place in my all-time top ten.
@Furudanuki: Excellent points on the Shuffle! reference. Whatever we think about the actual anime... .the *manga* is very popular, and the game was very popular (popular enough that some fans are working on an english patch for it). The Sia & Nerine duo are instantly recognizable.
It does establish that Kona has unusual tastes even for a femme otaku.
All of which sort of diminishes the idea that the show is purely about product placement. I still think the main focus is on *adapting the manga* (as KyoAni does with all their adaptations - they focus on the source material). Any referential material is just icing (so far). Even the most "egregious" example (the Initial D segment) --- in the manga, they don't actually *show* her driving but you see the 'betweens' and the results.
Its a murky line between cross-marketing and just using current fad items to demonstrate someone is a fan. When someone watches this 10 years from now, they may not get the references but if it doesn't interfere with enjoying the moment, its fine.
Example of bad product placement: watch the movie "The Truman Show" ... the product placement in Truman's world is hideous.
...you people need to remember that this show, besides the slice-of-life, bases a lot of its humor from sharing the misery and mental processes of an otaku. Sometimes when I hear phrases in class discussions that vaguely resemble video games, computers, or anime, I can't resist emulating the situation in my head as its respective medium, sadly noting that there is at most one other person in the room who would get the resemblance. Lucky Star perfectly associates with our mindsets and isolation in the otaku subculture, and happily shares with us jokes that outsiders won't get. It's this elitism that introduced the controversy and schism in the anime community about Lucky Star.
To do that without references to series in real life would make this series just another Genshiken with a picture perfect manga emulation. I can't imagine that being a fun series to watch.
~
Example of bad product placement: watch the movie "The Truman Show" ... the product placement in Truman's world is hideous.
You just spawned a very weird idea in my mind... bear with me here, because the idea may sound very absurd, but I am taking it seriously here.
*erm-hrm*
I present to you-
- The Kaioshin Show.
Now wait. Wait! I feel that there is actually a lot of potential in writing such a parody of "The Truman Show". To summarise the plot in two sentences,
Kaioshin lives in a land of moe and considers it to be the normal way of life until one day, a strange model kit called "Gundam", drops from the sky and several mysterious fanatics appear before him screaming, "Gainax rules! Mecha over Moe!" before mysteriously disappearing as well.
Just what is the strange truth behind this world that he lives in?
We could include things like how the National Anthem/Dance is "Hare Hare Yuki", or how each time Kaioshin gets too close to the truth, a Taiyaki-munching girl will slam into him crying out, "Uguu~!" before dragging him away to another spot.
The moon will remain the base of operations, and Haruhi will reside in there wielding her Godlike powers, while Itsuki will be Kaioshin's neighbour and "best friend".
Kyon can be the disillusioned (and not-so-deceased) father, while his wife can be any one of the various KyoAni-girls (no Konata though, since we are establishing a world of moe, not otakus).
The possibilities are endless. :DCheers. :D
Kaioshin Sama
2007-06-01, 23:45
You just spawned a very weird idea in my mind... bear with me here, because the idea may sound very absurd, but I am taking it seriously here.
*erm-hrm*
I present to you-
- The Kaioshin Show.
Now wait. Wait! I feel that there is actually a lot of potential in writing such a parody of "The Truman Show". To summarise the plot in two sentences,
We could include things like how the National Anthem/Dance is "Hare Hare Yuki", or how each time Kaioshin gets too close to the truth, a Taiyaki-munching girl will slam into him crying out, "Uguu~!" before dragging him away to another spot.
The moon will remain the base of operations, and Haruhi will reside in there wielding her Godlike powers, while Itsuki will be Kaioshin's neighbour and "best friend".
Kyon can be the disillusioned (and not-so-deceased) father, while his wife can be any one of the various KyoAni-girls (no Konata though, since we are establishing a world of moe, not otakus).
The possibilities are endless. :DCheers. :D
That sounds almost impossibly fun, especially the part about the Uguu~ girl slamming into me. Except the national anthem would be Heroes Liberty Bell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_arPDZznMbc). Potential spoiler warning for the link.
Ffenix Rising
2007-06-02, 00:49
.(and heck this thread is supposed to be about episode 8)...
Episode 8 is awesome! And "KYONANI" forever! :p
Sorrow-K
2007-06-02, 08:13
Example of bad product placement: watch the movie "The Truman Show" ... the product placement in Truman's world is hideous.
Not really, since it was supposed to be a major part of the setting of the movie, (as well as a fairly clever backhand of the nature of television... although, the entire thing was pretty much one big backhand of the nature of television.)
You just spawned a very weird idea in my mind... bear with me here, because the idea may sound very absurd, but I am taking it seriously here.
*erm-hrm*
I present to you-
- The Kaioshin Show.
Now wait. Wait! I feel that there is actually a lot of potential in writing such a parody of "The Truman Show". To summarise the plot in two sentences,
We could include things like how the National Anthem/Dance is "Hare Hare Yuki", or how each time Kaioshin gets too close to the truth, a Taiyaki-munching girl will slam into him crying out, "Uguu~!" before dragging him away to another spot.
The moon will remain the base of operations, and Haruhi will reside in there wielding her Godlike powers, while Itsuki will be Kaioshin's neighbour and "best friend".
Kyon can be the disillusioned (and not-so-deceased) father, while his wife can be any one of the various KyoAni-girls (no Konata though, since we are establishing a world of moe, not otakus).
The possibilities are endless. :DCheers. :DScary.....
Edit: On a different note, do people realize that when they get so worked up over what are essentially minor things that they're alienating the people around them, so when they do actually make worthwhile comments, no one's willing to take them seriously or consider them as carefully?
One example of blatant advertising that left a bitter taste in my mind would be "The Island" and its whole Microsoft INYOURFACE propaganda, from the "survivors" playing on a souped-up version of the X-Box to Windows-powered phone booths.
FatPianoBoy
2007-06-02, 09:17
Hmm... +1 for The Kaioshin Show. That sounds like a big, stinking pile of fun.
Not really, since it was supposed to be a major part of the setting of the movie, (as well as a fairly clever backhand of the nature of television... although, the entire thing was pretty much one big backhand of the nature of television.)
Scary.....
Right... should have said "intentionally hideous". My favorite (actually done in real commercials and movie product placement) is carefully holding the bottle so the brand name is directly towards the camera and uncovered. I saw a recent news article on in-series product placement that showed a clip of "Seventh Heaven" where the father talks about how he loves Oreos while munching a few. Its the sort of thing real people would say ("I love Coke. Pepsi? Ewwwww!") but it is such a funny kickback to the Golden Years when George Burns and Gracie Allen would work their sponsor's products into their sit-com.
Kinny Riddle
2007-06-02, 11:29
You just spawned a very weird idea in my mind... bear with me here, because the idea may sound very absurd, but I am taking it seriously here.
*erm-hrm*
I present to you-
- The Kaioshin Show.
Now wait. Wait! I feel that there is actually a lot of potential in writing such a parody of "The Truman Show". To summarise the plot in two sentences,
We could include things like how the National Anthem/Dance is "Hare Hare Yuki", or how each time Kaioshin gets too close to the truth, a Taiyaki-munching girl will slam into him crying out, "Uguu~!" before dragging him away to another spot.
The moon will remain the base of operations, and Haruhi will reside in there wielding her Godlike powers, while Itsuki will be Kaioshin's neighbour and "best friend".
Kyon can be the disillusioned (and not-so-deceased) father, while his wife can be any one of the various KyoAni-girls (no Konata though, since we are establishing a world of moe, not otakus).
The possibilities are endless. :DCheers. :D
Cue the "Sun", in the form of our resident Sun King - Ascaloth. :heh: (I'm sorry Ascaloth, I just couldn't resist. )
Anyway, we should steer away from talking about one user and get back on topic before we incur Pelly's wrath, again.
I find the product placement in Lucky Star to be quite tolerable, not the "in your face" type like in the Truman Show as Vexx has mentioned.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-06-02, 12:28
Cue the "Sun", in the form of our resident Sun King - Ascaloth. :heh: (I'm sorry Ascaloth, I just couldn't resist. )
Anyway, we should steer away from talking about one user and get back on topic before we incur Pelly's wrath, again.
I find the product placement in Lucky Star to be quite tolerable, not the "in your face" type like in the Truman Show as Vexx has mentioned.
Good idea concerning the on topicness, I'll glady second that, although my show still sounds more like heaven than anything minus a few details such as the anthem and my father. Let's leave it at that though.
Anyway, On the ads in Episode 08, I'm also kind of amused at how quickly I forgot this episodes anti-ad/otaku awareness/otaku life intervention spot where Konata was so desperate to take advantage of a sale she just heard about that she bought a manga volume she already had. Although she does almost feel like she's talking directly to the viewer when mentioning a product, kind of like Truman's Girlfriend when she had to do the product push. If I recall Kagami was there with her so it would have been funny if she pulled Konata aside and demanded to know exactly who it was she was talking to.
Cue the "Sun", in the form of our resident Sun King - Ascaloth. :heh: (I'm sorry Ascaloth, I just couldn't resist. )
Anyway, we should steer away from talking about one user and get back on topic before we incur Pelly's wrath, again.
I find the product placement in Lucky Star to be quite tolerable, not the "in your face" type like in the Truman Show as Vexx has mentioned.
I wouldn't call The Truman Show "In your face" kind of advertisment, it was pretty much in the context of its story. If you have not seen "The Island" you should watch it just to see what I meant in term of bothering "in your face" advertisement, Microsoft, Rebook, Coca Cola, you name it.
A little bit random...
I thought I was "above" Kona in that I have never accidently bought the same volume of manga twice. Just now I was sorting manga I have accumulated over the semester on my shelf... and noticed I bought Rozen Maiden 7 twice. DX
Whoa, your club watches L*S? The anime club at my high school would only show Inu Yasha and spend the rest of the time bashing Pokémon and Sailor Moon. Much 1337 points to your club!
Sorry, had been aways from the forums all weekend for A-Kon. It rocked by the way .. but I didn't see any L*S cosplayers. Guess it's still too soon. There weren't even that many Haruhis. It was just filled up with Bleach and Kingdom Hearts II folk.
Anyway, yeah, I'm part of a college anime club, so we have more freedom about what we can show. But, I guess I should clarify: not our entire club watches L*S; only a select few. So L*S isn't part of our regular weekly anime night lineup, but I'm glad I still do have people to talk to about it.
Also earlier in the thread were comments about tsundere != bipolar. I would agree .. but I guess I've concluded so far that a.f.k.'s goal is to try to come up with the best adaptation for American audiences? I'm just curious about the lack of footnotes. Earlier in the series I think it was a.f.k. who wrote "two egg twins" and "one egg twins." Why use that instead of "fraternal" and "identical"? And I think they've left in some Japanese words before; I think "tsundere" is presently untranslatable as well.
...I still think this episode must have had a lesser art budget than others. There's too much stillness in some characters for some scenes. And they look different (at least in the beginning of the episode) compared to other times. ...Unless they were just saving all the special stuff for the athletic festival, which was done quite prettily.
[13:39] I could -not- wait two hours for the bathroom if I needed to go...
[16:49] Oh look, a.f.k. made a side comment about the Newtype! That means some comments about tsundere, etc. in their translation wouldn't be so out of their style either, right?
[22:51] Aha, I get it now. It's not that a long song was chosen just so Konata would get cut off by the end of the credits after just one line... it's that she realized the whole song was in English and didn't want to sing it, quitting it early (but wasting a whole minute of time anyway because of the long intro). Totally didn't understand any of that from the raw. ^^;
( I don't mean to be ungrateful to a.f.k.; I appreciate having the subs very much, but I do wonder a little... )
I fundamentally disagree with a fair amount of a.f.k. translation choices in L*S ... but hey that's why we have choice in our viewing. Considering their turnover speed of release, they're still fairly impressive.
EnA scores the best compromise between flair and accuracy for me without resorting to footnotes. I also prefer their font/colors. My opinion only... obviously.
FatPianoBoy
2007-06-05, 01:22
I like a.f.k. (I followed Haruhi and Kanon with their help), but this series just doesn't mesh with their style.
DragoonKain3
2007-06-05, 17:17
@Crisu
Umm, how sure of you that afk left some 'untranslatable' stuff? Apart from honorifics (which I have no clue as to why they leave them in as they're perfectly fine without them), I'm pretty sure they 'americanized' pretty much everything else.
Also, at 16:49, I have no idea whatsoever about what you mean afk having a side comment about Newtype. Are you sure its there, or have you just mistaken what Konata herself was saying about Newtype?
With EnA, you need some basic knowledge of Japanese otaku culture, but with AFK you need none. Of course, they're going to have their translations a bit off from its Japanese meaning (cowabunga anyone?), but IMHO it's a small price to pay in keeping the lol moments in L*S. As such I still maintain that afk has the most enjoyable subs, especially for the general audience.
Laughter or amusement > Translation accuracy, anyday of the week for me.
With EnA, you need some basic knowledge of Japanese otaku culture, but with AFK you need none. Of course, they're going to have their translations a bit off from its Japanese meaning (cowabunga anyone?), but IMHO it's a small price to pay in keeping the lol moments in L*S. As such I still maintain that afk has the most enjoyable subs, especially for the general audience.
Laughter or amusement > Translation accuracy, anyday of the week for me.
That's the same as WinD... some of it won't make sense unless you already have some knowledge of Japanese culture. I agree that a.f.k. is probably best for a general audience that you can't expect would to want to learn anything about Japanese culture.
For me it's the other way around... I'll gladly take translation accuracy over amusement that has been westernized... To each his or her own ne. :)
Except for for me personally -- Translation accuracy makes it more likely I'll laugh. Overly westernize it and I'm not laughing at the original intent anymore and often I'm going to find it less funny. It'd be like someone rewording everything Robin Williams says in a standup.
I'm just glad there's a choice.
Samatarou
2007-06-05, 20:36
I think "tsundere" is presently untranslatable as well.
It's usually translated as hot/cold personality, which I think is fine, although in cases like Mei in Manabi Straight, another viable translation would be shy-bold.
Also earlier in the thread were comments about tsundere != bipolar. I would agree .. but I guess I've concluded so far that a.f.k.'s goal is to try to come up with the best adaptation for American audiences? I'm just curious about the lack of footnotes. Earlier in the series I think it was a.f.k. who wrote "two egg twins" and "one egg twins." Why use that instead of "fraternal" and "identical"? And I think they've left in some Japanese words before; I think "tsundere" is presently untranslatable as well.
Personally, I'd rather have "tsundere" untranslated. As of the past year or two, it has entered almost as far into Japanese anime culture as moe and kawaii, and with due time even the lightest anime audience should probably know the word.
Also, at 16:49, I have no idea whatsoever about what you mean afk having a side comment about Newtype. Are you sure its there, or have you just mistaken what Konata herself was saying about Newtype?Oops, you're right. I didn't hear Konata in the background during that scene. So yeah, a.f.k. pretty much does Americanize everything for a general audience. And that's perfectly fine, because there are people who would just prefer it that way (such as yourself).
Except for for me personally -- Translation accuracy makes it more likely I'll laugh. Overly westernize it and I'm not laughing at the original intent anymore and often I'm going to find it less funny.I also prefer the accuracy. So I guess that means I should try out the EnA version, as I would rather have those references left in. To me, "turn-on" and "bipolar" just aren't as funny or meaningful to me as "moe" and "tsundere." And while watching the a.f.k. sub, I'll read the odd word but hear the Japanese word and just quirk a brow. As Tsukasa will say in ep 9, "I just can't have fun like this." :P
Personally, I'd rather have "tsundere" untranslated. As of the past year or two, it has entered almost as far into Japanese anime culture as moe and kawaii, and with due time even the lightest anime audience should probably know the word.Hopefully so. And now I would think even a general audience now knows what "hentai" means or refers to.
@Crisu: aye, same problem. I'll read the line while hearing the dialog and instead of laughing, my response is closer to "what the---?"
"General audience" .... really doesn't include JoeSixPack for this stuff. The type of audience drawn to this material is going to have an interest in japanese culture. They're either going to know some of the less translatable terms or be interested in learning them.
Hell, even when I show this stuff to my mother (I'm 49, do the math) - she always asks about terms because she's interested in knowing.
I don't know.. the kinds of liberties taken for fighting shows or shows with little direct japanese culture references might work... but it really diminishes the material otherwise imo.
I remember a particular Pokemon episode back in the early 90s that was just confusing and wrecked because it involved Shinto, a festival, a ghost, and local customs that the dub team was just unable to "Americanize" in their usual fashion. It was easy to tell something was amiss even if one was totally clueless about Japan.
Just keep in mind one is always getting information loss (filtering bias) when watching *any* sub/dub .... but also that you may be getting information that wasn't originally there.
Klashikari
2007-06-06, 13:45
i'm pretty late for this, but i'm quoting yanouchi's question, since i'm as lost as her
somebody please explain why Shiraishi said "Don't touch me" when Akira-sama peeling the clipboard??...
i didn't get the reference and/or the pun/joke intended either... any kind soul who wouldn't mind to explain a bit? ^^"
i'm pretty late for this, but i'm quoting yanouchi's question, since i'm as lost as her
i didn't get the reference and/or the pun/joke intended either... any kind soul who wouldn't mind to explain a bit? ^^"
I think he just fears that Akira would eventually take out her frustration over her inability to peel off the sticker paper on him. Which she did, although it took him to start it.
That was still the funniest piece of Engrish I've ever heard. Engrish seems to have its own "uncanny valley" that produces a great deal of laughs.
Oh, hoho. That's one reason I don't see being a native English-speaking gaijin as all that bad when watching anime... of course you'll miss stuff, but Engrish is hilarious. I can't imagine a lot of native Japanese people get what's funny about it.
I find that subs like a.f.k.'s is good for showing to the sister. She couldn't careless about learning Japanese culture... she just wants westernized funnies. It's less funny to me than understanding the joke and why it's funny in Japanese, but I'm also very interested in Japan and I want to learn new things about it when I can. Bah.
Oh, hoho. That's one reason I don't see being a native English-speaking gaijin as all that bad when watching anime... of course you'll miss stuff, but Engrish is hilarious. I can't imagine a lot of native Japanese people get what's funny about it.
Great example: Revy in Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage, Fujiyama Gangster Paradise arc. Revy sprays lots of NSFW language in Engrish, and Balalaika at one point speaks Engrish so slowly that it broke the mood.
Samatarou
2007-06-06, 17:51
Personally, I'd rather have "tsundere" untranslated. As of the past year or two, it has entered almost as far into Japanese anime culture as moe and kawaii, and with due time even the lightest anime audience should probably know the word.
I've been watching anime for about 6 years now and I didn't know tsundere until I heard someone use it in reference to Manabi Straight a few months ago, at which point I had to get my dictionary out. I do know it now though!
I suspect that most non-otaku know little more than "-san", and although they will of course know "karaoke" they wouldn't recognise the word if it was said by a Japanese person. As for moe, when even Abe Yoshitoshi has to ask what it means (and eventually concludes that it means "a person with a moustache") then I don't think we can assume anything about an English speaking audience's knowledge of it, and afk rendering it as "turn on" is unlikely to help people's general level of understanding ("hot" would actually be much better, both in spirit and etymology, although still not capturing the whole thing.)
Anyway, my position is that English subtitles should be in English. It really bugs me when I see words like "oneesan" in subtitle. Of course I know what oneesan means, but I also have ears and can hear it being said, I don't need it written down for me. However, people I pass my fansubs on to typically don't know what such words mean, they need all the words subtitled and they need them to be in English, not romaji. The only time I would leave a word in Japanese is when it's something like a technical term that is customarily kept in Japanese. For instance, "ippon" in a Judo anime. There is certainly no need to leave words like "kawaii" untranslated. People who know what it means will hear it being said anyway, those who don't will expect it to be translated for them. Some words are a challenge to translate of course, "moe" being an example, however this is largely because it doesn't have a fixed meaning in Japanese, but rather a constellation of meanings. I don't think tsundere is difficult to translate though (but I wouldn't translate it as "bipolar"...)
Mugen-Hut
2007-06-06, 20:59
A big part of this episode is the sport festival
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yeap
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Oh well... It seems like I'll have to do another atempt at a Unfair Advantage signature (let's see if I can install photoshop first:upset:)
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Wish me luck guys!!:D
DragoonKain3
2007-06-06, 22:58
Having watched digisubbing since the turn of the century, I myself didn't know about tsundere at all until I visited asuki forums during F/Sn season(before the forums got haxxored IIRC). Then and only then did I learn all these otaku lingo, since asuki conveniently keeps them in one thread. In fact, I think asuki is the only forum I visit that's hardcore enough to throw out words like cours, eroge, and sakuga (as opposed to, say, 'seasons', h-games, or animation quality) as if it were like actual words in the English dictionary.
I blame our unusually high number of Japanese fluent members who actually posts often for this. :P
@Vexx
One can't really just assume that certain people with a certain trait are going to be drawn to a show.
Case in point, Tsukuyomi Moon Phase, one of the few shows that's popular enough to get more than an hour of screen time over at this year's anime north (I think Haruhi is the only other one). One would think its main audience in NA are males who's into 'lolipedo-shows', but oh man, there's actually noticeably much more girls than guys watching the show. I thought it was a coincidence last year, but the same happened this year as well. Reason why? These girls really dig the goth and/or loli-kawaii fashions the girls wear, was the reason I got a lot.
How's this relates to L*S? Well, there's a whole slew of reasons why people is watching the show. Not to generalize here, but there are some people who's just into it because it has moe (whether or not they actually are aware of it or even know what moe is), some because it has ONLY girls (everyone knows of the yaoi-loving crazy fangirl, but less known but almost as widespread from my experience, there is also the yuri-loving crazy fanguy), some because it has a bit of references to other anime they watched, and some just because it's by KyoAni, etc. etc.
Whatever the reason is, what percentage of those are willing to learn more stuff? And what percentage of those actually knows the terms? While it's pointless to debate what the actual percentage is, from my experience I noticed that the latter is very very small. With the former, more often than not people I know who's into anime use it as a form of escapism, and as such their enjoyment of a show goes down if they have to stop what they are watching and spend 10 mins looking up a term that they don't understand, even if it is of Japanese origin. Or what's most often the case (especially in anime clubs, conventions, etc.), they forget to look up, don't have the means to look it up, or just don't care about that term in the show they didn't understand, as such their experience of a show isn't as high as it should be.
Therefore, that's one half of my reasoning as to why the 'general' audience will enjoy afk more. The other half is much more simpler, though by the looks of it, it only applies to the early episodes. As an example I brought up before, 'Like cowabunga!'. EnA translated it as 'Akira is mammothly happy-pii', WinD is 'Akira is so happy-pi'. The next line is Shiraishi saying the audience wouldn't undestrand a phrase 2 decades ago. For the average Japanese-deficient watcher who's born earlier than the 90's, more often than not they would get afk's while they'll go 'WTF? How were those 2 lines related?' on the latter two.
Thus my comment 'Laughter or amusement > translation accuracy'; I really could care less what the actual information was given out as long as they carry the spirit and purpose of the original message. Then again, you're speaking to the guy who loved the translation of Working Designs (RIP) to bits. >_>
No argument with the post there :) --- all I was saying was that *my* preference was what it was. I think you can achieve what you're talking about without resorting to extreme liberties though --- you don't want to head towards the "Whats up, Tiger Lily?" solution :)
HashiriyaR32
2007-06-11, 21:45
HAHA @ Kagami's attempts to memorize the first 7 elements of the periodic table.
Hydrogen
Helium
Lithium
Beryllium
Boron
Carbon
Nitrogen
Oxygen
Flourine
Kaioshin Sama
2007-06-11, 22:04
No argument with the post there :) --- all I was saying was that *my* preference was what it was. I think you can achieve what you're talking about without resorting to extreme liberties though --- you don't want to head towards the "Whats up, Tiger Lily?" solution :)
What is this "What's up, Tiger Lily?" thing you keep mentioning Vexx?:confused::confused:
Anyway to all, I don't like to use these Japanese acronyms that others like to use, because I just prefer not to confuse where possible (When I'm not deliberately trying too:p). Everytime somebody uses a term such as Sakuga or Eroge I do a bit of an eyeroll because it creates a bit of an unnecessary in club/out club division on the board.
It's all about the acronyms and fooling around with the final syllables on phrases and names over there though, especially with celeberty nicknames. How else would explain something like Hikki which sounds like something a girl would give a guy during foreplay, but is actually a nickname for somebody.
CrowKenobi
2007-06-12, 00:00
What is this "What's up, Tiger Lily?" thing you keep mentioning Vexx?:confused::confused:You do know that the wiki is your friend at times, right? ;)
linky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Up,_Tiger_Lily%3F)
:cool:
Perhaps you've heard of "Mad Movies with the LA Connection?" --it's in a similar vein... :D
Sorry... "Whats up, Tiger Lily?" is an early Woody Allen directed classic.
Basically, he takes a rather bad Japanese action flick ("Key of Keys") and dubs it. The dub has NOTHING to do with the original plot line and turns a 'serious' film into a really off-the-wall comedy.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061177/ <- What's Up, Tiger Lily?
Its a great bit of silliness but also an example of the far end of the dub pool :)
edit: Crow wins the posting speed...
Kaioshin Sama
2007-06-12, 00:31
You do know that the wiki is your friend at times, right? ;)
linky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_Up,_Tiger_Lily%3F)
:cool:
Perhaps you've heard of "Mad Movies with the LA Connection?" --it's in a similar vein... :D
No, but I have seen some of that Kung Faux show, which was highly amusing. There's also Volcano High a Korean film that was redubbed by MTV to feature Snoop Dogg and other rappers voices (I witnessed this at a friends house and have blocked most of it out). I see what this is now. Still, I absolutely cannot stand Woody Allen in any capacity of his existance. I almost wish I hadn't known now as it's so typical of his cheesy style and tendency to insert himself into everything he does that it makes me want to vomit. I had to sit through Mighty Aphrodite once for an Ancient World in Film course and let me tell you..... :(
Thanks anyway though.
Fat Cat Lim
2007-06-12, 01:30
Konadad appears to be using a Canon EF 400mm f/5.6L USM for the lenses, while one of the camera bodies that he's using is a Nikon D200. Not really sure if the camera that's paired with the Canon lenses is a Canon or another Nikon D200, but it sure looks like the Nikon D200 from the left-side body.
Canon lenses - http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-400mm-f-5.6-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx
Nikon D200 - http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond200/
No, but I have seen some of that Kung Faux show, which was highly amusing. There's also Volcano High a Korean film that was redubbed by MTV to feature Snoop Dogg and other rappers voices (I witnessed this at a friends house and have blocked most of it out). I see what this is now. Still, I absolutely cannot stand Woody Allen in any capacity of his existance. ...
Thanks anyway though.
In minor defense, Tiger Lily was done back in the 1960s, back when Allen was still relatively funny as opposed to the Andy Warhol-ish caricature he is today. I first saw it in in 1977 during a campus film festival.
It just seems the perfect poster-child for "dubs gone wrong" (intentional or not).
HashiriyaR32
2007-06-12, 15:10
After hearing a parody of "Noizy Tribe" for the SECOND time in the series, I'm gonna post the TV version of the original song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLpZif_eA6g
And if anyone wants it, the full version (http://fs03n3.sendspace.com/dl/db1dc9f328ffc8bb0f6b5273a4c4ceee/466e60506e2aa70a/g89sph/Noizy_Tribe.mp3)
Late post from a late LS fan....:heh:
I don't know about anyone else but I thought this Lucky Channel was the funniest one yet. Akira doing that real deep "NEEEEEE!?" (from the "this kind of thing would never happen to you, NEEE!?") the first time KILLED me. I rewound it and tried to watch that part without laughing and failed.:heh:
OkamiNoKaze
2009-05-22, 21:26
Is her dad's camera a reference to Speed Grapher?, or did that show come out afterward?
No reference.... the 4-koma manga featured dad as a shutterbug who just loves the little women.
Not everything in this series is a "reference"... somewhere under the layers of references and product placement is the original funny little human comedy that was selected to be animated.
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