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LoweGear
2007-06-01, 09:47
More effective? that is yet to be determined, since Starlight Breaker version two does come with the nice package of total shield break.
Besides don't you want to see more people been be friended with Starlight Breaker? :heh:
IIRC, Total Seal Break actually, which affects barriers, not shields (the difference of which has already been explained in the manga). While I don't have trouble believing that Nanoha can overpower a shield with SB based on sheer power alone, that's not the same as having the ability to totally destroy the shield based on its properties and not its power.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 09:49
And I called it Loonsave.:heh: I guess that's what I get for trusting the AXN subs too easily.:heh:
I... Sort of cheated myself :heh:
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But ONLY through intangible objects...
Wait!:D
Hell, that'll be pretty damned useful after all.
For one thing, Nanoha would be screwed :heh:
I wonder if he could make a single blade out of the hundred.
He already has the most powerful freezing Za- I mean, Staff of all of TSAB :p
I suppose one more captain wouldn't matter :heh:
Meophist
2007-06-01, 09:49
IIRC, Total Seal Break actually, which affects barriers, not shields. While I don't have trouble believing that Nanoha can overpower a shield with SB based on sheer power alone, that's not the same as having the ability to totally destroy the shield based on its properties and not its power.
Oddly enough, Nanoha uses it to break fields, not barriers.
Darco_emp
2007-06-01, 09:50
just one more....
Ah, but what if you can fire a Starlight Breaker inside the barrier? Since that's basically what A.C.S. does, break through a barrier and fire a Starlight Breaker at point-blank range.
To quote Skane: Cheers :D
It will be intersting to see that, however I wonder if A.C.S can support such an attack, since Starlight Breaker's magic output is far greater then normal so it may become clipped at the output by the A.C.S this way.
EDIT: do a merry dance for the first Nanoha ep discussion that break 1000, and I expect alot more from now on :heh:
Deathkillz
2007-06-01, 09:50
Oddly enough, Nanoha uses it to break fields, not barriers.
nanoha uses it to break most things :rolleyes: "its called milking the skill you are best at " :3
and speaking of barriers we just broke the 1K one :heh:
edit: haha you lagg you lose XD but darn i wanted to ninja 1k GET! >.<
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 09:51
Speaking of breaking barriers.... :D
Welcome to the 1000 :)
EDIT:
Damnit Deathkillz! I wanted to say that first!
LoweGear
2007-06-01, 09:51
Oddly enough, Nanoha uses it to break fields, not barriers.
Since when? Including the manga, Nanoha's only used SB 4 times, and two of those times, she used it to break barriers, the first Yuuno's, and the next the Wolkenritter's.
Damn... no 1K get :heh:
It will be intersting to see that, however I wonder if A.C.S can support such an attack, since Starlight Breaker's magic output is far greater then normal so it may become clipped at the output by the A.C.S this way.
Try rewatching A's, Nanoha used it on Yami no Sho during the last episodes (can't say for sure if it was 11 or twelve).
LoweGear
2007-06-01, 09:54
It will be intersting to see that, however I wonder if A.C.S can support such an attack, since Starlight Breaker's magic output is far greater then normal so it may become clipped at the output by the A.C.S this way.
Nanoha did use Starlight Breaker with Excellion mode, when she used in on The Book of Darkness. I don't think "clipping" is gonna be a problem, since Nanoha simply uses RH as an ignition primer for the collected energy used in Starlight Breaker, and not the main gunbarrel itself so to speak.
Aaron008R
2007-06-01, 09:55
I... Sort of cheated myself :heh:
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Nevermind that. I read it from wiki as well but FORGOT the spelling.:heh:
Damn, what a disgrace for a spelling and grammar nut like me.:heh:
For one thing, Nanoha would be screwed :heh:
Not to mention going through barriers like a ghost through a wall.
He already has the most powerful freezing Za- I mean, Staff of all of TSAB :p
I suppose one more captain wouldn't matter :heh:
I didn't quite get that.:heh: I was referring to an ability to compress the hundred energy blades into a single overpowered blade. The more concentrated, the better. And Durandal's a freakin superweapon.:heh:
Darco_emp
2007-06-01, 09:56
Try rewatching A's, Nanoha used it on Yami no Sho during the last episodes (can't say for sure if it was 11 or twelve).
That is Divine Buster or Force Burst wasn't it? Where the output of power should be much lower then Starlight breaker, so prehapes it can operate under A.C.S, however it is not good to drive a high output gain through a limited channel, as I have found today when coding/building a electrical system....
Maybe a little clarification is in order between the defences, as people seem to mess them up.
"Fields" are normally short-radius defences, designed to protect yourself. Remember Signum's "Panzer Geist"? That's a field. Other times they mainly disrupt, in which case its used in larger radius'
"Shield" is the magic circle type defense, and mainly reflects. They're also often more powerfull then the barrier type, although they can guard only one direction.
"Barrier" are the orb-type all-round defenses, designed to protect everything in a certain radius. Barriers are also used to capture or reduce damage to suroundings.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 10:00
Try rewatching A's, Nanoha used it on Yami no Sho during the last episodes (can't say for sure if it was 11 or twelve).
Definately 11 :)
I didn't quite get that.:heh: I was referring to an ability to compress the hundred energy blades into a single overpowered blade. The more concentrated, the better. And Durandal's a freakin superweapon.:heh:
Ah you see, in Bleach, there's this one captain that uses the most powerful freezing zanpakutō in the whole series...
And what a coincidence is that captain is also just a kid :heh:
And when you said compress the blades, it sort of reminded me of this other captain who uses cherry petals...
So the AMF kinda gradually dissolves the spell entering it? What's the basis under the inability of using magic inside wide-range AMF then - impossibility to gather necessary initial amount of energy? Can it be overcome by high-ranking mages? Also I'm waiting for more tricks with AMF - can't the flying drones disrupt flight magic at least (I was so hoping for that to happen :rolleyes:)?Anti Magi-link Field, or AMF in short, is explained to nullify magics by prevent and dissolve connection of magic power.
Thus, both casting magic inside the field and entering magic-shots are effectively nullified.
In StS comic, Nanoha actually says that it can disrupt the usage of flying magic or even a basic-protection magic, and overcoming AMF is of very advanced technique.
(btw; StS comic is out, yay me :) )
Known countermeasures are
- Use the after-effect of magic.
Although magic itself will be dissolved by AMF, any physical phenomenon that caused by magic will remain; thus it's possible to use it to attack an AMF opponent.
It must be noted that user must be out of AMF range to use initiating magic, so it's gonna be problematic when sorrounded.
Example: Accelerate a rock with magic. While magic will be nullified, rock will keep it's momentum and damages the target.
Nanoha and Fate used this method against Drones in their first encounter.
- Hack'n Slash by sheer power.
Plain and simple, whack em with your weapon until they become silent.
Known to be the choice for skilled Velka Knights, who're good at physical enchant magics.
However it's different story for less-skilled Knights who relies on weapon's magic enhancement, as demonstrated in Ep5 where Erio got pwned badly after his energy blade got nullified.
Signum, Vita and Subaru are most prominent example for using this method.
One upside of this method is that it doesn't require the user to be outside of AMF, thusly able to fight effectively even when they're sorrounded.
- Multi-layered magic bullet.
Demostrated by Teana, it penetrates AMF by encasing magic shot itself with outer casing which keeps AMF busy while shot flies toward target.
I suppose wider the AMF range is, it becomes more difficult for this method.
The problem of "user must be out of AMF" goes in this method, too.
- Nullifies AMF itself first.
AMF itself being a field magic, it can be nullified by field magic canceller.
Caro used this method in Ep5, and helped Erio finishing a Type-03 Drone off.
Problem is once again the user must be outside of AMF to cast canceling magic, so it's problematic when the user is sorrounded by Drones.
Aaron008R
2007-06-01, 10:06
Definately 11 :)
Ah you see, in Bleach, there's this one captain that uses the most powerful freezing zanpakutō in the whole series...
And what a coincidence is that captain is also just a kid :heh:
And when you said compress the blades, it sort of reminded me of this other captain who uses cherry petals...
Ah sorry. I mistook the Za- part for another word.:heh:
So it's Hitsugaya Toushirou and Kuchiki Byakuya then.
Back on topic, what are the odds of the Zamber blade of Bardiche lasting for long in AMF influence?
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 10:08
Ah sorry. I mistook the Za- part for another word.:heh:
So it's Hitsugaya Toushirou and Kuchiki Byakuya then.
Bingo.
Back on topic, what are the odds of the Zamber blade of Bardiche lasting for long in AMF influence?
I imagine it to be very thick and sturdy... :heh
Darco_emp
2007-06-01, 10:10
Ah sorry. I mistook the Za- part for another word.:heh:
So it's Hitsugaya Toushirou and Kuchiki Byakuya then.
Back on topic, what are the odds of the Zamber blade of Bardiche lasting for long in AMF influence?
I can only see Fate uses something simlar to Teana's bullets on Bardiche Zamber if she is to use Zamber form in an AMF. since I assume the magical energy will be defused just like what happened to Erio.
Aaron008R
2007-06-01, 10:12
Bingo.
I imagine it to be very thick and sturdy... :heh
I think magically 'dense' is the word your looking for.
By myself, I'm not too confident that it would hold for more than a minute. But Fate would be swinging it around quickly anyway.
I can only see Fate uses something simlar to Teana's bullets on Bardiche Zamber if she is to use Zamber form in an AMF. since I assume the magical energy will be defused just like what happened to Erio.
That would work too. But like I said, the blade wouldn't be stationary for long when Fate is fighting.
I can only see Fate uses something simlar to Teana's bullets on Bardiche Zamber if she is to use Zamber form in an AMF. since I assume the magical energy will be defused just like what happened to Erio.
Why bother? She can just use Lightning spells outside the AMF radius.
LoweGear
2007-06-01, 10:16
Why bother? She can just use Lightning spells outside the AMF radius.
The damage from lightning though can be reduced, or even nullified with nothing more than a little electrical know-how to reroute the path of the electrical current. While effective, Fate better have something else planned just in case, or she'll be smacking around Bardiche the hard way :heh:
Darco_emp
2007-06-01, 10:17
Why bother? She can just use Lightning spells outside the AMF radius.
If is this key here. Heck I doubt the Drones even can keep up with normal Impluse mode Fate, allowing her to always be outside of AMF...
However I do see it as a possilbe option if it occurs
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 10:24
I can only see Fate uses something simlar to Teana's bullets on Bardiche Zamber if she is to use Zamber form in an AMF. since I assume the magical energy will be defused just like what happened to Erio.
But Fate is on a different caliber than Erio :heh:
As long as she destroys the drones fast enough, the AMF won't be much as a threat :)
I think magically 'dense' is the word your looking for.
By myself, I'm not too confident that it would hold for more than a minute. But Fate would be swinging it around quickly anyway.
Dense it is then :)
But why a minute? Fate doesn't stay in one position for long, and her drone targets doesn't stay in one piece for long :)
The damage from lightning though can be reduced, or even nullified with nothing more than a little electrical know-how to reroute the path of the electrical current. While effective, Fate better have something else planned just in case, or she'll be smacking around Bardiche the hard way :heh:
Another one of Chrono's lesson...
"It's always better to play it safe ;)"
Aaron008R
2007-06-01, 10:31
Dense it is then :)
But why a minute? Fate doesn't stay in one position for long, and her drone targets doesn't stay in one piece for long :)
Exactly. By a stationary position. Who knows? she might get retrained and trapped on all sides by AMF drones. Of course I wouldn't want that to happen, but I was considering the possibilities.
Another one of Chrono's lesson...
"It's always better to play it safe ;)"
Insurance.
Last Will and Testament.
Like this?:heh: I'm referencing on one of your scenario's of Chrono's examination on becoming an Admiral; which is applying the limiter on Hayate.:p
Come to think of it, we never got to know how he actually did it. But I doubt he'd like to relive the experience.:heh:
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-01, 10:39
Returning to control of the amount of magical and physical damage a spell does I've come up with a broader question - to what extent a mage has control over shapes and effect of his magic? In S1 it seemed like each mage/device had their own unique set of spells and some basic ones like shields and sealing, in S2 a device is introduced which allowed the usage of a bigger variety of spells which had to be collected beforehand and in S3 we see several examples of mages copying others' spells, so how far can it go actually? How strong is the connection between a mage, device and casted spells and how well can spells be imitated? Are there different grades of spells, like "strongly linked to the person/device, unable to imitate -> hard to imitate, but you can pull off something similar if you try -> imitation by a skilled mage is as potent as the original -> common spells used by everyone"?
Aaron008R
2007-06-01, 10:47
Returning to control of the amount of magical and physical damage a spell does I've come up with a broader question - to what extent a mage has control over shapes and effect of his magic? In S1 it seemed like each mage/device had their own unique set of spells and some basic ones like shields and sealing, in S2 a device is introduced which allowed the usage of a bigger variety of spells which had to be collected beforehand and in S3 we see several examples of mages copying others' spells, so how far can it go actually? How strong is the connection between a mage, device and casted spells and how well can spells be imitated? Are there different grades of spells, like "strongly linked to the person/device, unable to imitate -> hard to imitate, but you can pull off something similar if you try -> imitation by a skilled mage is as potent as the original -> common spells used by everyone"?
The simplest answer I could give you is that it depends on the factors involved.
Mages have varied inert specializations and power levels.
Devices are generally used to make a mage stronger. Other details not considered.
Spells are definitely varied in class. Some can be easily used by anyone like simple binds and shields, while some are unique to the kind of specialization a mage has.
And yes. Spells are all graded individually. The rankings are attack power, speed, control, range, extra-effects, etc. This is mainly shown in the manga.
And about the connections, power for spells are mostly taken from one's own Linker Core. But there are instances external energy sources like leftover magical particles or the Jewel Seeds can be used as a power source.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 10:53
Returning to control of the amount of magical and physical damage a spell does I've come up with a broader question - to what extent a mage has control over shapes and effect of his magic?
It's all about the skill.
- In S1 it seemed like each mage/device had their own unique set of spells and some basic ones like shields and sealing,
- in S2 a device is introduced which allowed the usage of a bigger variety of spells which had to be collected beforehand and
- in S3 we see several examples of mages copying others' spells, so how far can it go actually?
How strong is the connection between a mage, device and casted spells and how well can spells be imitated? Are there different grades of spells, like "strongly linked to the person/device, unable to imitate -> hard to imitate, but you can pull off something similar if you try -> imitation by a skilled mage is as potent as the original -> common spells used by everyone"?
It's Like martial arts. Even though there's a general and standard way of learning it, everyone has their own style - What moves they prefer to use, what suits them better and such.
Definately there are different levels of spells, each with it's own difficulty.
And yes, they can be learnt, but sometimes (If not most of the time) certain conditions must be met.
For example, Nanoha's "Starlight Breaker", not anybody can 'control' (If you could call it that :heh:) a spell with that kind of power.
And a Mage and his/her device don't really have some kind of 'magical' bond between them. Of course, this is debatable when you're talking about an intelligence device...
EDIT:
Sleep time...
Please don't make me read 4 pages worth of text when I wake up tomorrow :heh:
Nightengale
2007-06-01, 11:00
Damn, why did discussions had to blow 1k just when I thought it was kinda uneventful hours earlier and decided to like...actually study and do homework?
For one, we can never 100% gauge how large is the gap between non-devices with SD users or IDs, especially when we factor in insentient and sentient factors. Teana and Subaru can't count much since their original devices were pretty much junk, and we have to take into account the general perception and role applied in the magical equative execution.
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-01, 11:01
The simplest answer I could give you is that it depends on the factors involved.
Mages have varied inert specializations and power levels.
Devices are generally used to make a mage stronger. Other details not considered.
Spells are definitely varied in class. Some can be easily used by anyone like simple binds and shields, while some are unique to the kind of specialization a mage has.
And yes. Spells are all graded individually. The rankings are attack power, speed, control, range, extra-effects, etc. This is mainly shown in the manga.
And about the connections, power for spells are mostly taken from one's own Linker Core. But there are instances external energy sources like leftover magical particles or the Jewel Seeds can be used as a power source.
Yeah, spells are graded based on their effect and power, what I'm interested in is if some gradation of spells' uniqueness to the caster/device exists (and it certainly exists but is somewhat unclear) and if each mage creates his own spells (at least several) from scratch or there's some great list of spells and you can only be personally suited to use particular ones, hence the difference in mages' classes?
Nightengale
2007-06-01, 11:04
Yeah, spells are graded based on their effect and power, what I'm interested in is if some gradation of spells' uniqueness to the caster/device exists (and it certainly exists but is somewhat unclear) and if each mage creates his own spells (at least several) from scratch or there's some great list of spells and you can only be personally suited to use particular ones, hence the difference in mages' classes?
I remember the Nen-equation myself and...Erio? used in the tech thread. I think in general, it's safe to assume that while top mages in general can be very well-versed all around, their latent talent is probably more so leans to something particular to them.
Aaron008R
2007-06-01, 11:06
Yeah, spells are graded based on their effect and power, what I'm interested in is if some gradation of spells' uniqueness to the caster/device exists (and it certainly exists but is somewhat unclear) and if each mage creates his own spells (at least several) from scratch or there's some great list of spells and you can only be personally suited to use particular ones, hence the difference in mages' classes?
If uniqueness is the subject, then Nanoha is pretty much one of the best examples.
Fate got trained by Linith.
Chrono and pretty much everyone else in TSAB learned by the books.
But I can't really be sure because they don't really say it when a spell is just created by the mage.
Of course, there are always the device-exclusive spells like Eternal Coffin and the likes.
EDIT: Ugh. I'm beat. Signing off...
Christ, where did these new posts come from?
Must be the anticipation of this forthcoming episode.
RE: Limiters released at season midpoint?
Possibly.
Posted on 4chan:
Episode 11: Mobile Section 6's Day Off (part II)
A full Air, Ground and Underground assault by gadgets, plus the introduction of a new enemy.
Tia and Subaru fight underground, Elio and Caro on the ground and the Aces in the sky
http://anime.goo.ne.jp/contents/tvanime/ATVNTPDkigtvrir1/11/index.html
Episode 12: Numbers
Believed to be the formal introduction of Scaglietti's big villain o'rama group.
RIVALS FOR EVERYONE.
RE: Magic usage and Devices
From what I understand, most Devices act as a storage medium for a mage's "programs" (the spells) as well as acting as a catalyst for using those spells - think of it as a mobile phone that stores phone numbers as well as providing a system to access and use those numbers (for want of a better analogy). That's why they're called Devices and not "magic staves".
As for this question (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=973001&postcount=1024), I would expect magic in the Nanohaverse to be similar to magic in RPGs: magic classified by type (healing, enhancement, offensive, defensive) and affinity (elemental/physical/energy etc, think Fate's lightning-type spells, for example). You can mix and match any amount of types and affinities to create different spells. Depending on your affinity, you could be able to learn spells of a similar type and nature, which is why we saw Nanoha using Cross Shift, as both Teana's and Nanoha's own spell affinity is roughly identical (ranged energy bombardment-class).
One thing that makes Ancient Velka possibly the most powerful of the magical classes is the ability to use every spell affinity available. In Hayate's case, she uses a special mass storage medium to hold her spells (Tome of the Night Sky), and as long as she recites the spell-command fully, she can use any spell available. The same goes for Reinforce I using Starlight Breaker in A's. (Notice how compared to Modern Velka/Midchilda casting, Ancient Velka has the appearance of requiring the complete spellchant.)
(Someone really needs to hack Final Fantasy X/X-2 and replace the character models for Yuna, Rikku and Lulu/Paine with Nanoha, Fate and Hayate...)
Cool!But the episode name of 11 did't seems to fit the description.
i wonder if Elio will ever get captured sometime in the series?i hope the they dont make the doctor mention he wants the remmants of Project F for nothing.
ARGH I missed all the tech debate that broke 1k!!! Noooooooooooooo...!!!
Too tired to answer, but generally my points were all mentioned by different posters in the last four pages, so that's my verdict. I'll go repost the literature review in the tech thread if you guys want, but after my exams plz...
And yes Darco, be very surprised. I'm going to sleep...
What's up the all these spoilers, anyway? And they go 3 or more episodes into the future! (No, I have not read a single one of them)
Without spoiling anything, where are they coming from? Was the info leaked?
im not totally sure about their creditbility.Pity the subs are slightly behind.
Meophist
2007-06-01, 13:11
Without spoiling anything, where are they coming from? Was the info leaked?Some magazines in Japan give out small summaries of anime episodes, including future ones.
Some magazines in Japan give out small summaries of anime episodes, including future ones.
I guess this is why we need a "Spoilers and Speculation Discussion" thread. Or something similar.
i dont think it really matters as to what shape those magic attacks are cause flying at the speed they are doing its shape is going to be distorted anyway to give an aerodynamic "spear head" ~ why do you suppose vita's metal balls are round and not bullet shaped for more damage?
It matters for one simple reason.
If take a needle you can pierce a piece of paper.
If you take a hammer, how much more force do you need to pierce that piece of paper.
And Vita's balls are round because of Vita's style: She needs to be able to launch multiple balls at a single swing. Having a bullet-shaped projectile would require her to smack each projectile individually, one at a time, for maximum projectile energy, slowing her down in the process.
She's technically doing the imposible as is.
The sword could have other properties to offset it being c ompletely harmless physically. Remember one of the 10 forms of Rave? I guess it can be used as something like that....
Well it doesn't necessarily mean if you have a magic sword you'll use that magic to create damage. You could use it to imbue your sword with flames.
The damage from lightning though can be reduced, or even nullified with nothing more than a little electrical know-how to reroute the path of the electrical current. While effective, Fate better have something else planned just in case, or she'll be smacking around Bardiche the hard way :heh:
This is anime lightning, it's like with radiation.
Normal radiation kills life, fictional radiation creates it. *lol*
If I was Fate I would bet on hitting those things from multiple angles simultaneously, since they don't seem to have 180 AMF. They also seem to work with magic so I guess that's a reason to believe they don't have 180 AMF.
Yeah, spells are graded based on their effect and power, what I'm interested in is if some gradation of spells' uniqueness to the caster/device exists (and it certainly exists but is somewhat unclear) and if each mage creates his own spells (at least several) from scratch or there's some great list of spells and you can only be personally suited to use particular ones, hence the difference in mages' classes?
They probably can mimick to some extent.
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Regarding Magic Dmg Vs. Physical Dmg
Magic Dmg hurts their magic core thing, and we know how totally drained and helpless they end up when that happens.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 18:25
Druid of the Claw: "I'm awake... I'm awake...!"
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Damn, why did discussions had to blow 1k just when I thought it was kinda uneventful hours earlier and decided to like...actually study and do homework?
Ah, that would be my fault... :heh:
Yeah, spells are graded based on their effect and power, what I'm interested in is if some gradation of spells' uniqueness to the caster/device exists (and it certainly exists but is somewhat unclear) and if each mage creates his own spells (at least several) from scratch or there's some great list of spells and you can only be personally suited to use particular ones, hence the difference in mages' classes?
Skill is really the keyword :heh:
If you're experience and good enough, you definately could create something that suits your own taste.
Otherwise, just stick to the herd and learn the stadnard ones.
And yes again, depending on what you're good at, there are certain spells that suit you better than others. Certain spell that you would rather use than others.
ARGH I missed all the tech debate that broke 1k!!! Noooooooooooooo...!!!
Well you see, it all started when I made a simple suggestion... :heh:
It matters for one simple reason.
If take a needle you can pierce a piece of paper.
If you take a hammer, how much more force do you need to pierce that piece of paper.
She's technically doing the imposible as is.
Perhaps, but technically she shouldn't be able to fly either. How far are we willing to mix realism with a show about magic?
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Regarding Magic Dmg Vs. Physical Dmg
Magic Dmg hurts their magic core thing, and we know how totally drained and helpless they end up when that happens.
The only time the Linker Core was affected in battle was when they were drained by Yami no Sho. Beyond that, magic damage seems to mean direct physical damage. What's stopping the magical damage is the barrier jacket.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 18:32
The only time the Linker Core was affected in battle was when they were drained by Yami no Sho. Beyond that, magic damage seems to mean direct physical damage. What's stopping the magical damage is the barrier jacket.
Direct physical damage... Without the physical damage :heh: ?
I kid, I kid...
But I don't think 'physical' is the right word... Something definately hurts, but I don't think that's quite it...
Direct physical damage... Without the physical damage :heh: ?
I kid, I kid...
But I don't think 'physical' is the right word... Something definately hurts, but I don't think that's quite it...
Well, you can control how much power you put in a punch, why not control the amount of power you put in a beam?
Though energy damage seems to be a better word...
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 18:48
Well, you can control how much power you put in a punch, why not control the amount of power you put in a beam?
Well, yeah of course.
Though energy damage seems to be a better word...
Okay, I think to explain it better, we have to use a term NOT from MSLN's world...
A magic attack seems to be a direct attack on the target's 'soul'... It leaves no marks, but the damage is noticable through fatigue or something other...
EDIT:
Christ, where did these new posts come from?
Must be the anticipation of this forthcoming episode.
RE: Limiters released at season midpoint?
Possibly.
Posted on 4chan:
Episode 11: Mobile Section 6's Day Off (part II)
A full Air, Ground and Underground assault by gadgets, plus the introduction of a new enemy.
Tia and Subaru fight underground, Elio and Caro on the ground and the Aces in the sky
http://anime.goo.ne.jp/contents/tvanime/ATVNTPDkigtvrir1/11/index.html
Episode 12: Numbers
Believed to be the formal introduction of Scaglietti's big villain o'rama group.
RIVALS FOR EVERYONE.
Here's what I'm really curious about the doctor's intention...
What purpose does this attack meant to serve?
To inflict damge to the TSAB? Can't really do that since the RF6 is there and they're more than capable of dealing with any number of drones.
But judging on the way he treats his drones, perhaps it's not too far to say that he's just getting rid of them all at once... To make room for the new babies...
Well, yeah of course.
Okay, I think to explain it better, we have to use a term NOT from MSLN's world...
A magic attack seems to be a direct attack on the target's 'soul'... It leaves no marks, but the damage is noticable through fatigue or something other...
Disagree, Signum recieved physical damage from Fate's magical scythe. Barier jackets simply protect them from the brunt of the damage.
johnishida
2007-06-01, 18:58
Well, its been said that Magical Damage does not affect on a physical way. After all, in A's when Reinforce I used Starlight Breaker in the city, even though it covered quite some distance the buildings were not destroyed yet, Nanoha's Divine Buster does cause physical damage.
So, there should be three types of attacks... Beams, Magic and Physical...
Meophist
2007-06-01, 19:00
Fate's magic scythe does physical damage, not just magical damage. It's not magical attacks=magical damage. Magical attacks typically deal a mix of magical and physical damage.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 19:00
Disagree, Signum recieved physical damage from Fate's magical scythe. Barier jackets simply protect them from the brunt of the damage.
Is it 100% magic :) ? Cause if it's even slightly bit physical...
And yes, I agree that barrier jackets protect them from magic damage.
EDIT:
So, there should be three types of attacks... Beams, Magic and Physical...
I don't think 'beams' are always a mixed of magic and physical... :heh:
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-01, 19:03
Is it 100% magic :) ? Cause if it's even slightly bit physical...
And yes, I agree that barrier jackets protect them from magic damage.
And a bit of physical damage as well. When Nanoha crashed against that building in A's, she would've gotten knocked out at the very least had she been waering normal clothes.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 19:05
And a bit of physical damage as well. When Nanoha crashed against that building in A's, she would've gotten knocked out at the very least had she been waering normal clothes.
Chrono: You're solid and very quick to recover too.
Nanoha: ...Are you praising me or insulting me?
Fate: :heh:
As I mentioned a couple of pages ago, Fate's scythe's blade is Lightning elemental. Elemental magic does physical damage (thus it is able to penetrate a drone's AMF). That's why when she hits Signum, we can see a bruise on Signum's skin.
Now, since Lightning is an pure element--that is, it is not something you can "grab", or to explain myself better, think of it as water-- some may confuse it to be "pure energy". However, there's plenty of evidence so far that proves that elemental magic is very different from pure energy magic, as pure energy spells, such as Divine Buster and Starlight Breaker, deal only magical damage.
Now this part is pure speculation: I believe that a Linker Core emits pure energy. The mage then takes this pure energy to form spells. Nanoha did not have any magical training in season 1, and thus she could only take this pure energy emitted from her Linker Core and blast it away (Divine Buster). However, more experienced mages, such as Fate at that time, are able to take this pure energy and convert it into a magical element. For this reason, I believe that elemental mages are more advanced than regular mages. An example: Teana so far only has pure energy attacks.
Also, about the barrier jackets, I believe they only defend against magic damage. You need to use Shield defense to repel physical damage attacks (this part is only based on speculation, though)
I'm not arguing the fact wether beams are magical damage or physical. What I am arguing is this whole 'magic damages the soul/Linker Core but not the body' thing going on.
Simple example: Drones.
Drones don't have a soul to damage and make them faint. No, the blasts rip right through them and tear them to pieces. Therefore, if a mage is not wearing a barrier jacket or is not defending, magical attacks will tear them apart.
johnishida
2007-06-01, 20:30
As I mentioned a couple of pages ago, Fate's scythe's blade is Lightning elemental. Elemental magic does physical damage (thus it is able to penetrate a drone's AMF). That's why when she hits Signum, we can see a bruise on Signum's skin.
Now, since Lightning is an pure element--that is, it is not something you can "grab", or to explain myself better, think of it as water-- some may confuse it to be "pure energy". However, there's plenty of evidence so far that proves that elemental magic is very different from pure energy magic, as pure energy spells, such as Divine Buster and Starlight Breaker, deal only magical damage.
Now this part is pure speculation: I believe that a Linker Core emits pure energy. The mage then takes this pure energy to form spells. Nanoha did not have any magical training in season 1, and thus she could only take this pure energy emitted from her Linker Core and blast it away (Divine Buster). However, more experienced mages, such as Fate at that time, are able to take this pure energy and convert it into a magical element. For this reason, I believe that elemental mages are more advanced than regular mages. An example: Teana so far only has pure energy attacks.
Also, about the barrier jackets, I believe they only defend against magic damage. You need to use Shield defense to repel physical damage attacks (this part is only based on speculation, though)
I can agree with that. BJs may have a minor physical defenses capacity... That may be the reason why some close combat mages, like Fate, include shield like arm protectors.
Also, for those who read the manga, it was explained that there were different types of Magic Defences: Fields, Barriers, Shield and Real Shields.
Fields give certain effects to barriers likes: Healing, environment protection, etc
Barriers protect from magical damage by absorbing it.
Shields protect from physical damage using a opposing type of magic that makes the attacks rebound on the shield.
And the real shield is any kind of physical object that is used to protect yourself. I guess they can be used to protect yourself from magic and physical damage.
Meophist
2007-06-01, 20:39
Actually, here's what I'm getting from the translated manga:
Barrier
Using a protective shield to override attacks. It allows one to gently avoid the attack. The most commonly used defense.
Shield
Using an opposing magic type to guard. Rebounds the opponent's magic.
Field
Works over a given distance. Emphasizes blocking certain effects (e.g. temperature change). Usually used along with Barrier/Shield.
Physical Shield
Uses a strengthened shield for physical protection.
None of these takes about magical/physical attacks.
I'm not arguing the fact wether beams are magical damage or physical. What I am arguing is this whole 'magic damages the soul/Linker Core but not the body' thing going on.
Simple example: Drones.
Drones don't have a soul to damage and make them faint. No, the blasts rip right through them and tear them to pieces. Therefore, if a mage is not wearing a barrier jacket or is not defending, magical attacks will tear them apart.
Dont worry, my ideas were not about that argument.
But lets see, if I had to take a side on this argument, I... *a bunch of ideas collide in my head at this moment*... OK, I have no clue. :heh: The only thing that would make sense is like in Bleach, where you have a spirit, so magical attacks would damage the spirit and not the body...
But just as you say, that doesnt explain why pure energy magic also destroys drones.
Actually, here's what I'm getting from the translated manga:
Barrier
Using a protective shield to override attacks. It allows one to gently avoid the attack. The most commonly used defense.
Shield
Using an opposing magic type to guard. Rebounds the opponent's magic.
Field
Works over a given distance. Emphasizes blocking certain effects (e.g. temperature change). Usually used along with Barrier/Shield.
Physical Shield
Uses a strengthened shield for physical protection.
None of these takes about magical/physical attacks.
Yeah, that's why my ideas are but ideas. There has been many times where my ideas are contradicted, for example Nanoha used a Shield to stop Vita's physical ball in episode 1, and then in episode 5 she used a Barrier to stop Graf Eisen's physical attack.
Oh well, I dont know what to say.
Druid of the Claw: "I'm awake... I'm awake...!"
Well you see, it all started when I made a simple suggestion... :heh:The point is, I missed my chance to pull a Skane-class post which might've ended this streak earlier. :uhoh: :joke:
@MG vs PY Dam debate: The same energy attack can be used to deal either magical or physical damage. Crossfire was used in the former manner against Teana, in that instead of dealing HP damage, it burned her MP instead, causing her to 'appear tired and exhausted', especially if you equate a person's mana pool to his/her energy/stamina level. I think this is possible as there's no physical component to the attack, so no hard object to deal physical base damage; and so by changing the form of energy the spell is charged with (lets say instead of intense thermal energy, raw "anti-mana" is used) the damage dealt changes.
Known defence and protection systems work against both attacks, and damage only occurs when all have been overwhelmed.
Considering that this is a "Riot" force we're dealing with, the ability to use "anti-mana" with theoretically is the magical equivalent of rubber bullets, and might've been included in Nanoha's official training, and she has been better able to perform such a switch, even though having done so since she pulled SB on her best friend and started her fearsome reputation in the TSAB. :p
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 21:01
I'm not arguing the fact wether beams are magical damage or physical. What I am arguing is this whole 'magic damages the soul/Linker Core but not the body' thing going on.
Simple example: Drones.
Drones don't have a soul to damage and make them faint. No, the blasts rip right through them and tear them to pieces. Therefore, if a mage is not wearing a barrier jacket or is not defending, magical attacks will tear them apart.
Here's my question then, what makes you think that the attacks are PURE magic base to begin with :) ?
For that matter, why would it be just magic? It's a souless, lifeless drone...
... No need to hold back :p
I'm not arguing the fact wether beams are magical damage or physical. What I am arguing is this whole 'magic damages the soul/Linker Core but not the body' thing going on.
Simple example: Drones.
Drones don't have a soul to damage and make them faint. No, the blasts rip right through them and tear them to pieces. Therefore, if a mage is not wearing a barrier jacket or is not defending, magical attacks will tear them apart.I'm sure intense heat pretty much tears at anything be it metal or flesh.
I agree with C2F here. No point in holding back, just switch to full damage and beamspam them out of the sky. Which also explains why Nanoha was rather willing to blast Fate with the SB, especially when SB is on magic-mode she knows it wouldn't kill Fate.
EDIT: What you said culd be true I realized, but that gives a hint that mages are weaker to these magical attacks for the side effects run straight through known defences, lowering the ability to maintain their defence, causing it to come down and therefore continued attack would've torn the mage to pieces. Teana was smashed twice with the same attack, and all she got was KO'd. Fate was hit with a continuous attack, only her barrier jacket, a creation of magic, sustained damage.
@MG vs PY Dam debate: The same energy attack can be used to deal either magical or physical damage. Crossfire was used in the former manner against Teana, in that instead of dealing HP damage, it burned her MP instead, causing her to 'appear tired and exhausted', especially if you equate a person's mana pool to his/her energy/stamina level. I think this is possible as there's no physical component to the attack, so no hard object to deal physical base damage; and so by changing the form of energy the spell is charged with (lets say instead of intense thermal energy, raw "anti-mana" is used) the damage dealt changes.
At least my theory (about magic conversion) holds here. The pure magic emitted from your Linker Core can be converted to deal physical damage (and not necessarily converted to an element). So, that does makes sense, at least to me. :p
Known defence and protection systems work against both attacks, and damage only occurs when all have been overwhelmed.
I can live with this. There is probably no better explanation.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 21:25
I agree with C2F here. No point in holding back, just switch to full damage and beamspam them out of the sky. Which also explains why Nanoha was rather willingly to blast Fate with the SB, especially when she knows it wouldn't kill her.
Which is also the reason why Teana nearly killed Subaru... That attack was meant for a drone. Meaning if it had hit, there's going to be a very big hole in that girl...
Meophist
2007-06-01, 21:26
Which is also the reason why Teana nearly killed Subaru... That attack was meant for a drone. Meaning if it had hit, there's going to be a very big hole in that girl...
Well that would depend on the strength of her Barrier Jacket.
But in any case, guys? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=44194)
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-01, 21:31
EDIT: What you said culd be true I realized, but that gives a hint that mages are weaker to these magical attacks for the side effects run straight through known defences, lowering the ability to maintain their defence, causing it to come down and therefore continued attack would've torn the mage to pieces. Teana was smashed twice with the same attack, and all she got was KO'd. Fate was hit with a continuous attack, only her barrier jacket, a creation of magic, sustained damage.
And that's why there's a mixed of magic and physical damage...
Like for example, Halo.
Even a beginner could tell you that the Elite's shield goes down faster when you're using plasma weapons. But people still uses conventional weapons because it does more damage to their unprotected bodies.
Same case here. Magic does more damage to magic base properties, while physical does more damage to physical base properties. :D
Well that would depend on the strength of her Barrier Jacket.
But in any case, guys? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=44194)
Well, that thing was sort of heading towards her face :heh: ...
I've copy and paste this post there already... :)
Man when will the next episode air?The suspense is killing me already!
hikaru2895
2007-06-02, 04:43
Man when will the next episode air?The suspense is killing me already!
comment on 4chan about preview shown at end of episode 9:
Anonymous 06/02/07(Sat)04:43 No.3636207
File :1180773780.jpg-(53 KB, 600x382, 1178231869530.jpg)
(picture shows fanart of Teana kissing Suburu)
So when is this gonna happen damn it?
Anonymous 06/02/07(Sat)04:43 No.3636216
>>3636207
ep. 10 is a date episode, a freakin date episode!
Anonymous 06/02/07(Sat)04:45 No.3636230
File :1180773912.jpg-(95 KB, 563x850, 1178679440839.jpg)
(picture shows Teana and Suburu in uniform walking arm-in-arm)
>>3636216
Subaru: Ne, ne! It's like being on a date!
Tiana: Sh..shut up!
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 04:46
ep. 10 is a date episode, a freakin date episode!
Yeah... We sort of gotten the hint already :heh:
Now, let me ask you, how much evidence do we have that this so called 'non-physical damage' exists? None. 'But Keroko, look at Fate! Look at Teana! They survived direct hits from powerfull beam blasts without a scratch! It can't be physical damage!' Why not? During A's Nanoha and Fate get tossed through buildings regularely, and get out without a scratch. Are you saying that getting tossed through a building is 'non-physical damage' as well? No, obviously that is physical damage, and yet both Nanoha and Fate get up, clutch a random body part in pain and get back to fighting, despite the fact that there is not a single surface wound.
So we've established that beams deliver physical damage, purely because there is no evidence stating otherwise. So how do we explain that people keep getting hit and comming out withouta scratch? Well, instead of looking at the ofensive and start theorycrafting, let's look at it's direct oposite: Defense. There are many types of defense, and most are outwardly defending the blow before it hits the body. Sields, fields, barriers, we've been through them, and nobody used them during the incidents mentioned. But they still have one more layer of defense, one that is a lot less dramatic, yet we can't imagine our doom-girls without them: Barrier jackets. Is it not possible for a barrier jacket to nullify, or at least extremely reduce, the impact of a beam of destruction? We know they are defensive material, it has been mentioned multiple times. So why do we ignore them as if they don't exist? Why can't it be possible that it is not the beam, but the defense in question that makes sure people don't get a single scratch?
Think about it. It makes more sense, and has a lot less unproven theories in it.
Actually the idea wasn't more: "Oh Teanna survived!" but more "Oh Nanoha almost killed Tea in cold blood." Hence the theories.
Would it have been any other 2 characters I don't think nobody would have minded.
I'll take what you just said as truth,
So now, back to "Did Nanoha go over-board?" discussion. :heh:
Considering Tea was half-dead at after the first strike what's the point of hitting her a second time. It's like hitting someone who's bleeding on the ground. :( I can only think that it was bad casting, accidentally over-did it as it were. Since the way the make Nanoha all sensible in later scenes just makes it all freaky, like Nanoha has suddenly become some psycho with 2 personalities.
Man when will the next episode air?The suspense is killing me already!
No asking when next episode airs, I think is rule of the forum. :p
It airs when it airs and if your curious check out the air times. :D
Cats, why are you dragging this back to the episode thread? :twitch:
Cuz in the post I was talking about the episode... not the tech-magic stuff~ :)
Cats, why are you dragging this back to the episode thread? :twitch:Especially when that topic has been covered like gazzilion times in both Ep8 and Ep9 threads... :upset:
Well, I don't think there's anything bad about telling "when it airs", so here's your information.
The first airing for Ep10 will be at Jun 3 Sunday, starting from 25:10 JST at Wakayama TV Station.
(or you can call it Jun 4 Monday 1:10 a.m. btw JST = GMT + 9, and no summer-time in Japan.)
Especially when that topic has been covered like gazzilion times in both Ep8 and Ep9 threads... :upset:
These threads have a guzzilion posts. I'll die reading them before I finish. :heh:
Thanks for the info btw. :)
So, if it was discussed, why did Nanoha hit Tea when she was half-dead already. What exactly was the point?! - certainly no educational value~
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 05:06
Thisguy! Help meeeeee! :upset:
Where does the term 'Magic damage' first came from?! I recalled it was used to describe "Starlight Breaker", which information said so?
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 05:14
Thisguy! Help meeeeee! :upset:
Where does the term 'Magic damage' first came from?! I recalled it was used to describe "Starlight Breaker", which information said so?
*chuckle*
Your starting to sound (figuratively.:heh: Of course I don't hear you) like Subaru in one of your scenarios.:heh:
Worse case scenario is Thisguy comes in and start yelling BAKA! BAKA! BAKA!:frustrated:
It has always been a classification for as far as I can remember. I was a rather late watcher in the earlier two seasons.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 05:18
*chuckle*
Your starting to sound (figuratively.:heh: Of course I don't hear you) like Subaru in one of your scenarios.:heh:
Worse case scenario is Thisguy comes in and start yelling BAKA! BAKA! BAKA!:frustrated:
As long as he only shoots his mouth... :heh:
It has always been a classification for as far as I can remember. I was a rather late watcher in the earlier two seasons.
Same here.
So, if it was discussed, why did Nanoha hit Tea when she was half-dead already. What exactly was the point?! - certainly no educational value~I think it taken as "Lesson for Subaru" in discussion, though I, too, was not good at keeping up with all posts.
Someone made a well-summerized post about these points in thread I remember... hmm, was it Skane?
Where does the term 'Magic damage' first came from?!Now that I noticed, I've been using that setting without thinking much, I'm relatively new for this series myself (it was even after A's airing) :heh:
After quick reading through wiki, it was first explained in 1st season DVD booklet (which I don't have), and official page mentions about it too.
(Official page's summary for A's Ep11, as far as I've found, clearly says about it)
Also A's manga mentions about these "Non-lethal" settings in last episode and (according to Wiki) Novel too makes explanation of it.
Edit:
@Chaos & Aaron:
Me yelling "BAKA! BAKA!"? Hey, I'm no tsun-dere :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 05:38
I think it taken as "Lesson for Subaru" in discussion, though I, too, was not good at keeping up with all posts.
Someone made a well-summerized post about these points in thread I remember... hmm, was it Skane?
Skane was one...
.. But I think the person you were refering to was...
Crap, I can't spell his name :heh:
Starts was 'E' :heh:
Now that I noticed, I've been using that setting without thinking much, I'm relatively new for this series myself (it was even after A's airing) :heh:
After quick reading through wiki, it was first explained in 1st season DVD booklet (which I don't have), and an article from official page describes about it too.
Also A's manga mentions about these "Non-lethal" settings in last episode and (according to Wiki) Novel too makes explanation of it.
Ahhhh~
That felt better... :)
Thanks :D
Edit:
@Chaos & Aaron:
Me yelling "BAKA! BAKA!"? Hey, I'm no tsun-dere :heh:
Who knows... Who knows... :uhoh:
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 05:41
I think it taken as "Lesson for Subaru" in discussion, though I, too, was not good at keeping up with all posts.
Someone made a well-summerized post about these points in thread I remember... hmm, was it Skane?
Now that I noticed, I've been using that setting without thinking much, I'm relatively new for this series myself (it was even after A's airing) :heh:
After quick reading through wiki, it was first explained in 1st season DVD booklet (which I don't have), and an article from official page describes about it too.
Also A's manga mentions about these "Non-lethal" settings in last episode and (according to Wiki) Novel too makes explanation of it.
Hmhm. Now here's your answer, Chaos.
Quite honestly, I think it would be least tiresome if we take these bits of official info as it is instead of digging so deep. Actually, I think the producers would be at a lost of words when they see the discussions especially in the Technology thread.:D But I guess that's part of the fun, right?
As I remember, it was the large explosion when Nanoha fired of her shots at Teana when it was supposed to be an MP damage attack was the one that caused all this speculations.
Edit:
@Chaos & Aaron:
Me yelling "BAKA! BAKA!"? Hey, I'm no tsun-dere :heh:
No, of course not.:heh: I was just referring to one of Chaos' scenarios. He was starting to sound like Subaru when asking for Teana's help and I suddenly imagined you doing the BAKA! BAKA! BAKA! because he was asking for yours.:heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 05:45
Hmhm. Now here's your answer, Chaos.
Quite honestly, I think it would be least tiresome if we take these bits of official info as it is instead of digging so deep. Actually, I think the producers would be at a lost of words when they see the discussions especially in the Technology thread.:D But I guess that's part of the fun, right?
To be honest, I don't think the producers have thought this far ahead when they first created season 1 :heh:
There are bound to be some holes :heh:
As I remember, it was the large explosion when Nanoha fired of her shots at Teana when it was supposed to be an MP damage attack was the one that caused all this speculations.
I remember that as well.
And I was the one who suggested that the smoke and debris were like the 'left-over' of a magical reaction between the attack and the jacket. That they weren't physical to begin with.
Sort of like how chemical reactions sometimes leave behind Residues...
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 05:47
To be honest, I don't think the producers have thought this far ahead when they first created season 1 :heh:
There are bound to be some holes :heh:
Yup. This isn't STAR WARS.:heh:
I remember that as well.
And I was the one who suggested that the smoke and debris were like the 'left-over' of a magical reaction between the attack and the jacket.
Sort of like how chemical reactions sometimes leave behind Residues...
SO IT WAS YOU AGAIN!!!:twitch::twitch::twitch:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 05:48
SO IT WAS YOU AGAIN!!!:twitch::twitch::twitch:
I received no complains, so I figured people bought it :)
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 05:50
I received no complains, so I figured people bought it :)
Tsk. And it pretty much raised hell as well.:heh:
What could I say, it fits you job description.
*flashes a Good Job! pose*
As I remember, it was the large explosion when Nanoha fired of her shots at Teana when it was supposed to be an MP damage attack was the one that caused all this speculations.
Yes so?!
Tea was on one of those magical ramps. Basically in the air.
There was an *explotion~* but nothing exploded. :D :p
Also consider there was no jacket damage~ so this is either lazzy production or careless production. :) :heh:
Re-Watching the scene and confirm it.
Also Thisguy you are right, the first was for Tea but the second seems to be for Subaru.
Makes sense. Never noticed it until now.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 07:21
Tsk. And it pretty much raised hell as well.:heh:
What could I say, it fits you job description.
*flashes a Good Job! pose*
It's not really a job, considering I'm not getting anything out of this except the Occasional entertainment :)
Yes so?!
Tea was on one of those magical ramps. Basically in the air.
There was an *explotion~* but nothing exploded. :D :p
Also consider there was no jacket damage~ so this is either lazzy production or careless production. :) :heh:
Refer to my...
I remember that as well.
And I was the one who suggested that the smoke and debris were like the 'left-over' of a magical reaction between the attack and the jacket. That they weren't physical to begin with.
Sort of like how chemical reactions sometimes leave behind Residues...
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 07:35
It's not really a job, considering I'm not getting anything out of this except the Occasional entertainment :)
Hey, we were entertained as well!:D Let's just suppose it's something like community service. You've made quite a contribution to the 'people who likes discussion' population.:heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 07:50
Hey, we were entertained as well!:D Let's just suppose it's something like community service. You've made quite a contribution to the 'people who likes discussion' population.:heh:
Depends on the topic (As Meophist would no doubt agree :heh:)
Refer to my...:nod:Hey, we were entertained as well!:D Let's just suppose it's something like community service. You've made quite a contribution to the 'people who likes discussion' population.:heh::nod::nod:Depends on the topic (As Meophist would no doubt agree :heh:):nod::nod::nod:
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 08:24
Depends on the topic (As Meophist would no doubt agree :heh:)
Well, there are always those who think otherwise sometimes.:heh:
:nod:
:confused:
:nod::nod:
:heh::heh:
:nod::nod::nod:
:hmm::hmm::hmm:
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-02, 08:25
:nod::nod::nod::nod::nod::nod:
So cute ... :)
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 08:26
:nod:
:confused:
:nod::nod:
:uhoh: :uhoh:
:nod::nod::nod:
:twitch: :twitch: :twitch:
(We're so going to get our posts deleted by Skyfall :heh:)
Well, there are always those who think otherwise sometimes.:heh:
:confused:
:heh::heh:
:hmm::hmm::hmm:
So cute ... :)
:confused:
:uhoh: :uhoh:
:twitch: :twitch: :twitch:
(We're so going to get our posts deleted by Skyfall :heh:)Hey guys, can't I just agree with the points mentioned? That was "(colon)nod(colon)" after all... :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 08:35
Hey guys, can't I just agree with the points mentioned? :heh:
But it's so... "UN-Kha" :heh: :eyespin:
lol you guys going off topic again :P...
Dang missed around 7 pages of post :( , down with flu (No)Thanks to Chaos :bash:
But it's so... "UN-Kha"
Hmm i thought it is very Kha-ish actually :eyespin: looking at his usual posting style
But it's so... "UN-Kha" :heh: :eyespin:Uh no I do not work for the UN... Brr cold :joke:
Anyway there are times when I do agree wholeheartedly...
But I DO WISH there was a less "moe-y" emoticon for nodding. :p
@Raidou: I do use a lot of emoticons. Adds that personal touch. But I hope what you said wasn't about the "moe-ness" of the post... :twitch:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 08:44
lol you guys going off topic again :P...
Dang missed around 7 pages of post :( , down with flu (No)Thanks to Chaos :bash:
It was really unintentional :heh:
Darco_emp
2007-06-02, 08:47
What is with the page of randomness I see.....
Lets try to sheer back to topic.... Heck is there anything that we have not pulled apart and put it back together left....
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 08:47
Uh no I do not work for the UN... Brr cold :joke:
Anyway there are times when I do agree wholeheartedly...
But I DO WISH there was a less "moe-y" emoticon for nodding. :p
@Raidou: I do use a lot of emoticons. Adds that personal touch. But I hope what you said wasn't about the "moe-ness" of the post... :twitch:
Actually, you could have gone with the:
Sakura: :nod::nod::nod:
approach. Though I admit that we should have a less moe emoticon for a nod.:heh:
:dots:
We are soooo off-topic right now.:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
@Raidou: I do use a lot of emoticons. Adds that personal touch. But I hope what you said wasn't about the "moe-ness" of the post... :twitch:
Yeah that's what i mean :p emoticon spam is like all over your post.
Btw just to go back on discussing something on this episode....Anyone else very Chrono-ish looking dude is in this episode ^.^, i just noticed him after
watching the HQ raw.
It was really unintentional :heh:
Yeah sure w/e...I accept your earlier apologize for now :p
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 08:53
What is with the page of randomness I see.....
Lets try to sheer back to topic.... Heck is there anything that we have not pulled apart and put it back together left....
I know!
Since Signum is really a program, is her punch a Physical or magical damage? :D
Btw just to go back on discussing something on this episode....Anyone else very Chrono-ish looking dude is in this episode ^.^, i just noticed him after
watching the HQ raw.
A little More detail please :heh:
Yeah sure w/e...I accept your earlier apologize for now :p
Many thanks
What is with the page of randomness I see.....
Lets try to sheer back to topic.... Heck is there anything that we have not pulled apart and put it back together left....Yes! I dragged you out from under the box!!! Haha! :D Now to bait the rare spawn...
Actually, you could have gone with the:
Sakura: :nod::nod::nod:
approach. Though I admit that we should have a less moe emoticon for a nod.:heh:Point taken. Right, Sakura?
Sakura: :nod: :nod: :nod:
Kha: Now that quick agreement was somewhat un-Sakura. :heh:
Sakura: You were saying, Father?
Kha: Oh nothing much really. :heh:
Yeah that's what i mean :p emoticon spam is like all over your post.
Btw just to go back on discussing something on this episode....Anyone else very Chrono-ish looking dude is in this episode ^.^, i just noticed him after
watching the HQ raw.Oh. Chaos you got something about that I'm sure? :D
As for me, it's to lurk for the subs... I haven't watched 8 yet bec I want to do 8 & 9 together in one shot.
@Chaos' question:
Sophia: (rolls up sleeve) :tsundere: Shall I demonstrate to you first hand, Chaos...?
A little More detail please :heh:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9797/111pu7.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=111pu7.png)
and Who said he is not in the flashback :p ...he is there alright just a little hidden :heh:
Darco_emp
2007-06-02, 09:00
I know!
Since Signum is really a program, is her punch a Physical or magical damage? :D
I would give you a cookie for trying, however then I look the main offenders.....
A little More detail please :heh:
All I saw is Orange kun :heh:. A bit more info may indeed be helpful
Yes! I dragged you out from under the box!!! Haha! :D Now to bait the rare spawn...
For the rare spawn you need to spam his mail box, both on Suki and otherwise :heh:
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9797/111pu7.th.png (http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=111pu7.png)
and Who said he is not in the flashback :p ...he is there alright just a little hidden :heh:Is that a... NURSE'S HAT?! :twitch:
Chrono: HAYATE!!!
Is that a... NURSE'S HAT?! :twitch:
Chrono: HAYATE!!!
More like Lindy :eyespin: than Hayate :heh:....
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 09:15
His eyes are green! :heh:
EDIT:
"C-Chrono-kun...? Is that ...?"
"Captain Harlaown will be coming in later..."
"Oh, I see, my bad...:heh:"
"That was close..."
"Huh?"
"NOTHING!!"
ichibaka
2007-06-02, 10:13
Don't know if this is mentioned but I'm too lazy to browse through 56 pages just to check, but...
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa70/oppaitomanko/th_vlcsnap-10405811.png (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa70/oppaitomanko/vlcsnap-10405811.png)http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa70/oppaitomanko/th_vlcsnap-10408811.png (http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa70/oppaitomanko/vlcsnap-10408811.png)
:twitch: Had Vita give her a taste of seed mode I don't think Signum would have anything left to munch on :D
FlareKnight
2007-06-02, 10:33
As we've seen from the previous series that look in Vita's eyes usually isn't good for anyone. Wonder what Vita would've done if anyone but Nanoha had blocked her approach on Teana.
Really fell out of the discussion. Maybe because I hadn't done much thinking on the subtle varieties of physical and magic damage.
Sigh.we are definitely getting bored very soon if the next ep does't air soon
LoweGear
2007-06-02, 10:47
Sigh.we are definitely getting bored very soon if the next ep does't air soon
The next ep's only 24 hours away at most.
*although for some of us, that's an incredibly long wait :heh: *
Not to mention the wait for the raws to come
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 11:09
The next ep's only 24 hours away at most.
*although for some of us, that's an incredibly long wait :heh: *
But in the mean time...
You changed your avatar! :p
LoweGear
2007-06-02, 11:12
But in the mean time...
You changed your avatar! :p
Why thank you :p :p :p
(Yep, we are running out of things to talk about :heh: )
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 11:12
But in the mean time...
You changed your avatar! :p
And your question about the Keroko as Kero-chan matter was drawn out in the tech thread.:heh:
And I got called Aero-chan.:twitch:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 11:18
Okay okay, since the next episode is 'about' to start...
... And since we all figured out it's going to be a day-to episode (Or at least for the first half till near the ending... :heh:)
What can be reasonably expect from both couples? :)
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 11:20
Okay okay, since the next episode is 'about' to start...
... And since we all figured out it's going to be a day-to episode (Or at least for the first half till near the ending... :heh:)
What can be reasonably expect from both couples? :)
So your actually supporting the TeanaXSubaru relationship then.:twitch:
Well, for some expectations and wishes:
JUMBO Ice cream!
Lutecia meets Erio! (hopefully)
MORE awkward Caro-Erio moments!
More tsundere antics from Teana!
Cosplay!???
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 11:26
So your actually supporting the TeanaXSubaru relationship then.:twitch:
Well, for some expectations and wishes:
JUMBO Ice cream!
Lutecia meets Erio! (hopefully)
MORE awkward Caro-Erio moments!
More tsundere antics from Teana!
Cosplay!???
I won't call it 'support' :heh:
It more like... I have no reason to oppose :p
And besides, they're funny together! :D
EDIT:
What the heck? Cosplay? :heh:
Deathkillz
2007-06-02, 11:27
depends on what erio and caro plan to do...being kiddies what are their options? :rolleyes:
and rock hard bikers subaru and tea are just gonna steal the whole ep for me :3
FlareKnight
2007-06-02, 11:30
So your actually supporting the TeanaXSubaru relationship then.:twitch:
Well, for some expectations and wishes:
JUMBO Ice cream!
Lutecia meets Erio! (hopefully)
MORE awkward Caro-Erio moments!
More tsundere antics from Teana!
Cosplay!???
Well that all sounds pretty reasonable. For the way Subaru was looking at that icecream in the preview I wonder if Teana will have her attention. Teana giving Subaru a ride around the city. Bring on the Erio Caro moments since those are pretty fun, and of course an interruption that's been hoping for by Lutecia.
Not sure if its for the couples...but if Hayate has any free time I'm sure there might be some cosplay involved with her knights :).
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 11:31
I won't call it 'support' :heh:
It more like... I have no reason to oppose :p
And besides, they're funny together! :D
I see... To be honest, I wouldn't mind as well.:heh:
But I was hoping for an infatuated Teana moment somewhere in the series.
I guess it's just my expectations from tsunderes.:heh:
EDIT:
What the heck? Cosplay? :heh:
T'was a random idea.:heh:
Okay okay, since the next episode is 'about' to start...
... And since we all figured out it's going to be a day-to episode (Or at least for the first half till near the ending... :heh:)
What can be reasonably expect from both couples? :)
Erio and Caro interaction should be interesting animated since Caro is freaking clueless.Am not expecting much from Teana/Subaru since similar date was shown in the manga.
Since it is days off for the rookies, Nanoha/Fate/Hayate should has more free time also .We might get to see them a visit by Chrono to discuss the case..just hoping :p or the rookies accidentally meet him on the way but doesn't recognize him.
Edit:
depends on what erio and caro plan to do...being kiddies what are their options? :rolleyes:
Don't know :p ..would be funny if Shari or any female member of long arch asked Caro to do some women's product shopping and she end up dragging Erio along :heh:
Nightengale
2007-06-02, 11:38
Erio and Caro interaction should be interesting animated since Caro is freaking clueless.Am not expecting much from Teana/Subaru since similar date was shown in the manga.
But judging from the range of emotional reactions Caro had shown, it's not really a case of cluelessness, but rather the fine line of being great friends and...those kind of friends. Aware of it, but not aware of it at the same time. Typical anime stuff.
Since it is days off for the rookies, Nanoha/Fate/Hayate should has more free time also .We might get to see them a visit by Chrono to discuss the case..just hoping :p or the rookies accidentally meet him on the way but doesn't recognize him.
Chrono's on a VERY top-secret mission, remember?
Anyway, I've said this for the 687th time, but I. want. AGITO.
But judging from the range of emotional reactions Caro had shown, it's not really a case of cluelessness, but rather the fine line of being great friends and...those kind of friends. Aware of it, but not aware of it at the same time. Typical anime stuff.
Yeah bad choice of word by me . I just keep comparing her clueless personality to Suzu :heh:
Chrono's on a VERY top-secret mission, remember?
Anyway, I've said this for the 687th time, but I. want. AGITO.
Yeah that's why he might choose the day when Nanoha and gang has nothing going on to drop by for some serious discussion or he could be seriously injured and running off to Riot 6 base for help therefore those big mages battle in the next few episode
Why are you so obsessed with Kamen rider Agito anyway?
FlareKnight
2007-06-02, 11:44
Now by secret mission are we talking about Chrono hiding from the great powers of the universe? Keep hoping, it wouldn't hurt for him to show up if some crisis comes up in the next episode. He could always be on his way back.
Erio and Caro should be fun, just wonder what those two will be up to with a day in the city. Curious how they'll get there, since Fate was seeing them off doesn't seem like she's doing it. After all not a ton of room on Teana's bike. Maybe a bus?
Would've almost expected Subaru to be driving since she does like to speed along. Though I guess after the first episode Teana isn't ever going to let Subaru drive her around. Unless of course Nanoha is around again to help slow down the impact :).
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 11:46
depends on what erio and caro plan to do...being kiddies what are their options? :rolleyes:
Well, since Caro's daring-ness has been increasing as the story goes along :D
What could they do better then a Hotel, a bathhouse, and a heroic rescue?
and rock hard bikers subaru and tea are just gonna steal the whole ep for me :3
Technically, it looks like a scooter... :p
Well that all sounds pretty reasonable. For the way Subaru was looking at that icecream in the preview I wonder if Teana will have her attention. Teana giving Subaru a ride around the city. Bring on the Erio Caro moments since those are pretty fun, and of course an interruption that's been hoping for by Lutecia.
Nayuki: Day...to... Day...to...
I see... To be honest, I wouldn't mind as well.:heh:
But I was hoping for an infatuated Teana moment somewhere in the series.
I guess it's just my expectations from tsunderes.:heh:
It's still possible :)
The writer still have ONE. LAST. CAR-DO....
Erio and Caro interaction should be interesting animated since Caro is freaking clueless.Am not expecting much from Teana/Subaru since similar date was shown in the manga.
She's either clueless, or VERY very daring :heh:
Since it is days off for the rookies, Nanoha/Fate/Hayate should has more free time also .We might get to see them a visit by Chrono to discuss the case..just hoping :p or the rookies accidentally meet him on the way but doesn't recognize him.
Very top secret mission... :heh:
I doubt it though :heh:, still waiting for that entrance that'll rival season one's :)
Edit:
Don't know :p ..would be funny if Shari or any female member of long arch asked Caro to do some women's product shopping and she end up dragging Erio along :heh:
Caro: Are you sure Erio-kun and I would become closer if I do that? :confused:
Shari: Without a doubt :D
But judging from the range of emotional reactions Caro had shown, it's not really a case of cluelessness, but rather the fine line of being great friends and...those kind of friends. Aware of it, but not aware of it at the same time. Typical anime stuff.
But you can only fool yourself so much :heh:
But we'll know for sure once she gets a rival...
Chrono's on a VERY top-secret mission, remember?
Anyway, I've said this for the 687th time, but I. want. AGITO.
I've been wondering that too...
WHAT exactly are you expecting out from Agito :heh: ?
EDIT:
Now by secret mission are we talking about Chrono hiding from the great powers of the universe? Keep hoping, it wouldn't hurt for him to show up if some crisis comes up in the next episode. He could always be on his way back.
*Eyes on the door...*
Any minute now... That train is never late :D
Erio and Caro should be fun, just wonder what those two will be up to with a day in the city. Curious how they'll get there, since Fate was seeing them off doesn't seem like she's doing it. After all not a ton of room on Teana's bike. Maybe a bus?
Fried has room for two :)
Then again, remember that image a few weeks back from the issue that introduced the villians? The one with the two teams in mid air :D
Would've almost expected Subaru to be driving since she does like to speed along. Though I guess after the first episode Teana isn't ever going to let Subaru drive her around. Unless of course Nanoha is around again to help slow down the impact :).
Ah you see, Teana is suppose to be the husband in this situation...
Nightengale
2007-06-02, 11:51
Why are you so obsessed with Kamen rider Agito anyway?
I've been wondering that too...
WHAT exactly are you expecting out from Agito?
Absolutely nothing.
Just that if I can't get my Chro-no Kishi Dan and some friends"under-utilized" character screentime , I'll go for 2nd best, which is villain screentime.
I'm not expecting much from Client and Scagliette's real game plan yet, but at least I want the three to be shown in full flair. We've already got a jist on Lutecia, make way for Garyuu, Zest and Agito! And we can see Lutecia's TRUE powah later when it goes one-on-one with teh Red Eyes Black Dragon.
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 11:55
Well, since Caro's daring-ness has been increasing as the story goes along :D
What could they do better then a Hotel, a bathhouse, and a heroic rescue?
An unexpected EPIC move from Caro in a worksafe public area?
It's still possible :)
The writer still have ONE. LAST. CAR-DO....
ORE NO TAAN! DURO! LASTO KAADO-te what?:twitch:
Very top secret mission... :heh:
I doubt it though :heh:, still waiting for that entrance that'll rival season one's :)
He'll be stopping WHO now?
WHAT exactly are you expecting out from Agito :heh: ?
RIDER KICK!
RIDER KICK!Unrelated but...
THIS, IS, VELKA!!!
Unrelated but...
THIS, IS, VELKA!!!
..... lol forgive me if i got your joke wrong, how do you know Agito is a velkan or knight ? :p
She/He could be the other former resident of the empty test tube.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 12:03
An unexpected EPIC move from Caro in a worksafe public area?
Caro pulled TWO epic moves already...
... It's Erio's turn to do something :heh:, unless he's really the submissive one... :uhoh:
ORE NO TAAN! DURO! LASTO KAADO-te what?:twitch:
The proverbial 'card' :heh:
He'll be stopping WHO now?
I'm glad you asked :D
Picture this, Giant Friedrich and Giant Ganyuu charging towards each other...
RIDER KICK!
KIBA!!
FlareKnight
2007-06-02, 12:07
Just have to keep waiting for Chrono. At this point I've made it my mission for him to show up, so every episode will have a Chrono vigil so any sign will be reported. If something does go down with gadgets and Lutecia you know Zest should be nearby. That'll be Chrono's target.
One good way to arrive in style is to go in via dragon I guess :heh:. Riding in the sky is a perfect way for the two of them to get into some interesting situations. Hard to say what those two will get into, but you can be certain those two will make it fun to watch. Well I agree Erio has to go for it and get himself back in this. Sure holding out a hand to jump into the fray was a nice touch. I'm sure Caro won't mind if he pulls an epic move.
How could I forget that Teana would be the husband :). Some of the Teana and Subaru times should be good. No doubt Subaru will do a few things that will get Teana back to normal after a tough few episodes.
..... lol forgive me if i got your joke wrong, how do you know Agito is a velkan or knight ? :p
She/He could be the other former resident of the empty test tube.It was a 300 reference.
But yeah have no idea. Assumed it cos Lutecia was a Velka Summoner. :p
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 12:14
Caro pulled TWO epic moves already...
... It's Erio's turn to do something :heh:, unless he's really the submissive one... :uhoh:
Now what are the chances...:uhoh:
The proverbial 'card' :heh:
I'm still lost.:heh:
I'm glad you asked :D
Picture this, Giant Friedrich and Giant Ganyuu charging towards each other...
Chrono: SUTOPPUDA! *a gigantic arc of frost cleaves the path between the two monsters*
Yup.:D Quite cool.
KIBA!!
INUI!!
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 12:20
One good way to arrive in style is to go in via dragon I guess :heh:. Riding in the sky is a perfect way for the two of them to get into some interesting situations. Hard to say what those two will get into, but you can be certain those two will make it fun to watch. Well I agree Erio has to go for it and get himself back in this. Sure holding out a hand to jump into the fray was a nice touch. I'm sure Caro won't mind if he pulls an epic move.
A trip to the amusment park would be... To say the least, 'amusing' :D
How could I forget that Teana would be the husband :). Some of the Teana and Subaru times should be good. No doubt Subaru will do a few things that will get Teana back to normal after a tough few episodes.
It doesn't look like she needs to try too hard :heh:
Now what are the chances...:uhoh:
There are signs... :uhoh:
Chrono: SUTOPPUDA! *a gigantic arc of frost cleaves the path between the two monsters*
Yup.:D Quite cool.
Something more subtle... :)
I'm thinking ALOT of struggle binds... And if possible, two round shield...
With the result of them stopping inches away from him in the middle...
INUI!!
... I need to catch up with Air Gear again :heh:
Nightengale
2007-06-02, 12:23
... I need to go watch Kamen Rider 555 :heh:
Fixed for the actual truth.
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 12:24
Something more subtle... :)
I'm thinking ALOT of struggle binds... And if possible, two round shield...
With the result of them stopping inches away from him in the middle...
So your focusing on the badass aura this time.:D
... I need to catch up with Air Gear again :heh:
What? No, it was a Kamen Rider 555 reference.:heh:
EDIT: Nightengale beat me to it.:heh:
Picture this, Giant Friedrich and Giant Ganyuu charging towards each other...
Chrono: SUTOPPUDA! *a gigantic arc of frost cleaves the path between the two monsters*
Yup. Quite cool.
God please no lol ...that scenes already taken by Heroic age this season...beside i would rather see smaller agile Garyuu owning giant Friedrich and we can get emo Caro episode :D
INUI!!
Crimson Smash!!!
then not rider kick :p
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 12:34
God please no lol ...that scenes already taken by Heroic age this season
Then we'll take Chaos' approach.;)
Crimson Smash!!!
then not rider kick :p
More like:
*bi-bip*
Exceed Charge.
:D
Then we'll take Chaos' approach.;)
More like:
*bi-bip*
Exceed Charge.
:D
Awakening
Then does Faiz's blast form final kick.
lllooolll
But seriously,i hope something really big happens in the episode.Like further explaination of Project F and why the Doc wants the remants.
An example would be some of his experiments need some resurecting gene or implant elio or fate have to stabilise his experiments.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 18:03
Fixed for the actual truth.
What? No, it was a Kamen Rider 555 reference.:heh:
EDIT: Nightengale beat me to it.:heh:
Nono, MY 'attack' was from Air Gear :heh:
It's the only show I'm familiar with that has an 'Agito' :heh:
So your focusing on the badass aura this time.:D
I have always prefered badass moves :)
But seriously,i hope something really big happens in the episode.Like further explaination of Project F and why the Doc wants the remants.
An example would be some of his experiments need some resurecting gene or implant elio or fate have to stabilise his experiments.
If there is any explaination, it's going to be a short one :heh:
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 21:14
Ok then. What about we think about the next target of Vice?
So far we have:
Signum nee-san
Teana doing gun-kata
@Chaos: I see.:heh: Sorry, but I haven't watched Air Gear yet.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 21:47
Ok then. What about we think about the next target of Vice?
So far we have:
Signum nee-san
Teana doing gun-kata
Ginga. Definately Ginga... She has a lower 'threat' level than Teana... Just like how Teana has a 'lower' threat level than Signum...
(He's starting to step over Sugita's turf...)
@Chaos: I see.:heh: Sorry, but I haven't watched Air Gear yet.
Not many people have... :heh:
FlareKnight
2007-06-02, 21:47
Well considering who he went after I guess anyone is fair game. Though he does seem to go after more serious characters. Signum of course is pretty serious. When Vita was training she clearly was focused on what she was doing. Maybe Vita would be interesting? :heh:
Yeah saw some Air Gear. Though couldn't keep watching after a certain point, just not my show.
Edit:
Hmmm Ginga might not be a bad idea. Thought he was going via serious characters, but going by threat levels doesn't hurt.
Meophist
2007-06-02, 21:48
Ok then. What about we think about the next target of Vice?That reminds me, I wonder if they're going to flesh out the more unimportant characters more.
…It's kinda strange this thread has the third-highest number of posts in the Nanoha section.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 21:50
That reminds me, I wonder if they're going to flesh out the more unimportant characters more.
Well to be honest, they're called 'unimportant' for a reason... :heh:
…It's kinda strange this thread has the third-highest number of posts in the Nanoha section.
Yeah, it's like what could have possibly happened in this episode that would spark off this kind of thing? :eyespin:
EDIT:
Edit:
Hmmm Ginga might not be a bad idea. Thought he was going via serious characters, but going by threat levels doesn't hurt.
Tell that to him when he wakes up...Again :heh:
Meophist
2007-06-02, 21:55
Well to be honest, they're called 'unimportant' for a reason... :heh:Well, I'm talking about the characters who has a profile in the website. I imagine they're going to do something with all of them, sooner or later anyways.Yeah, it's like what could have possibly happened in this episode that would spark off this kind of thing? :eyespin:Chaos2Frozen 155
Aaron008R
2007-06-02, 21:58
Ginga. Definately Ginga... She has a lower 'threat' level than Teana... Just like how Teana has a 'lower' threat level than Signum...
(He's starting to step over Sugita's turf...)
Though Ginga definitely resembles Nerine, I still think she's still safe from Sugita's turf.
OR, maybe every attractive female IS Sugita's turf.:uhoh:
That reminds me, I wonder if they're going to flesh out the more unimportant characters more.
Well, so far Shari and Vice have been getting more screen time than what I've come to expect. It's quite possible.
…It's kinda strange this thread has the third-highest number of posts in the Nanoha section.
I think it's the resolvation of Teana's problem, Nanoha's accident, the reliving of the arguments in earlier episodes and the sudden influx of new Nanoha forum members.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-02, 22:01
Well, I'm talking about the characters who has a profile in the website.
I know what you meant.
But at this point, they could barely even be called 'Secondary Characters' :heh:
The only exception seems to be Shari... And probably Vice. Those two have been getting more screentime and lines than I've originally Anticipated...
I imagine they're going to do something with all of them, sooner or later anyways.
"The life and times of a bridge bunny" :heh:?
"What Secretaries of evil 'geniuses' do when nobody's looking" ;)?
"Velka Girls gone w-..." :uhoh:?
Chaos2Frozen 155
That's not too bad :)
EDIT:
Though Ginga definitely resembles Nerine, I still think she's still safe from Sugita's turf.
OR, maybe every attractive female IS Sugita's turf.:uhoh:
Cross your fingers...
I think it's the resolvation of Teana's problem, Nanoha's accident, the reliving of the arguments in earlier episodes and the sudden influx of new Nanoha forum members.
See? It's not always my fault...
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-03, 01:29
Well, I'm talking about the characters who has a profile in the website. I imagine they're going to do something with all of them, sooner or later anyways.
They're having troubles providing enough screentime for the main cast (eg. Hayate and Rein), so I don't think there'll be much development for secondary characters. My bet is that they'll keep appearing episodically like before. They're necessary to show a picture of RF6 and whole TSAB as an organisation with a lot of people working together, not just a group of main characters doing all the things. More involvement in the plot is possible but it's not crucial.
Chaos2Frozen 155
I think you should look at his WTF?!~ post per day ration
Chaos2Frozen 11.5 :eyespin:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-03, 03:06
I think you should look at his WTF?!~ post per day ration
Chaos2Frozen 11.5 :eyespin:
In my defence, that period was my holidays... :p
Deathkillz
2007-06-03, 06:53
They're having troubles providing enough screentime for the main cast (eg. Hayate and Rein), so I don't think there'll be much development for secondary characters. My bet is that they'll keep appearing episodically like before. They're necessary to show a picture of RF6 and whole TSAB as an organisation with a lot of people working together, not just a group of main characters doing all the things. More involvement in the plot is possible but it's not crucial.
very much so...and what doesnt contribute to the plot can get killed off :3 and the same question pops up again..."where is chrono?" :heh: *winks*
very much so...and what doesnt contribute to the plot can get killed off :3 and the same question pops up again..."where is chrono?" :heh: *winks*
Mrph. I think that they could have featured a lot more characters in their allotted time, but the plot is moving so slowly that the Side Characters won't get their turn.
It's a bit annoying, personally.
I wonder if Crono has grown a mustache :heh:
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Seriously now, he's obviously sitting on the deux ex machi- uhh I mean.. the ciel something patrolling the beaches & hotels.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-03, 07:02
very much so...and what doesnt contribute to the plot can get killed off :3 and the same question pops up again..."where is chrono?" :heh: *winks*
Well, my take on that is that Mid-Childa is so low on supply for mages that they sent him off on a-
(My other theory was that he's hiding in Velka controlled area... But that idea wouldn't fly for now... :heh:)
Mrph. I think that they could have featured a lot more characters in their allotted time, but the plot is moving so slowly that the Side Characters won't get their turn.
It's a bit annoying, personally.
Even so, not every side character has a story to tell :heh:
Like who would want to watch "The Life and Times of a Bridge Bunny" ...? :heh:
I wonder if Crono has grown a mustache :heh:
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Seriously now, he's obviously sitting on the deux ex machi- uhh I mean.. the ciel something patrolling the beaches & hotels.
From the character page, he doesn't... (Thank god)
And to be fair, I'm not sure whether his new ship even has an Arc-en-Ciel :heh:
Nightengale
2007-06-03, 07:03
I wonder if Crono has grown a mustache :heh:
If the main site is anything to go by, not yet.
He'll get one when he gets himself a pair of twin familiars who look exactly like Fate named Fate and Alicia. :p
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-03, 07:07
He'll get one when he gets himself a pair of twin familiars who look exactly like Fate named Fate and Alicia. :p
Personally, I think he should just recycle and reuse what's still there :heh:
Even so, not every side character has a story to tell :heh:
Like who would want to watch "The Life and Times of a Bridge Bunny" ...? :heh:
True, but a third of the way into the series and we still know next to nothing about most of the characters save what we carried over from the first two seasons. Teana and Subaru have gotten the most fleshing out, with Caro and Erio being close behind. The rest of the new characters, and even old characters like Yuuno and Chrono and Zafira (and technically Shamal)... nothing.
I suppose I'm just impatient for New Information, rather than rehashes of what we already know. I'd really hate to see the series wander around aimlessly until episode twenty or so before cramming all the story in the last few episodes.
Deathkillz
2007-06-03, 07:14
True, but a third of the way into the series and we still know next to nothing about most of the characters save what we carried over from the first two seasons. Teana and Subaru have gotten the most fleshing out, with Caro and Erio being close behind. The rest of the new characters, and even old characters like Yuuno and Chrono and Zafira (and technically Shamal)... nothing.
I suppose I'm just impatient for New Information, rather than rehashes of what we already know. I'd really hate to see the series wander around aimlessly until episode twenty or so before cramming all the story in the last few episodes.
well strikerS is just designed for the new stars it seems...when a character gets old they are pushed out...simple as that ~ nanoha had her backdrop with the haxx flashback (i still have no idea how they managed to capture a clip of fate chan getting whipped...maybe yuuno found it in precia's lost archives of torture vids? :heh:) ~ while the knights dont need anymore explination as weve seen it all in A's...and the 10 year time gap seems to be "business as usual" ~
old characters like yuuno didnt even have a role in A's...just go and hide in your library...:rolleyes:
well strikerS is just designed for the new stars it seems...when a character gets old they are pushed out...simple as that ~ nanoha had her backdrop with the haxx flashback (i still have no idea how they managed to capture a clip of fate chan getting whipped...maybe yuuno found it in precia's lost archives of torture vids? :heh:) ~ while the knights dont need anymore explination as weve seen it all in A's...and the 10 year time gap seems to be "business as usual" ~
old characters like yuuno didnt even have a role in A's...just go and hide in your library...:rolleyes:
It should have been obvious that this season was to have new stars.
It should have been obvious that this season was to have new stars.
Well, yes, but having new stars and focusing on new stars are different things.
Besides, we haven't seen much about the other non-RF6 new characters, such as the aforementioned bridge bunnies, or Verossa, or Carim.
He'll get one when he gets himself a pair of twin familiars who look exactly like Fate named Fate and Alicia. :p
You mean these two?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/th_twin_familiars_fate_and_alicia.jpg (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/twin_familiars_fate_and_alicia.jpg)
old characters like yuuno didnt even have a role in A's...just go and hide in your library...:rolleyes:
Do you really want to bring up that discussion again? :heh:
True, but a third of the way into the series and we still know next to nothing about most of the characters save what we carried over from the first two seasons. Teana and Subaru have gotten the most fleshing out, with Caro and Erio being close behind. The rest of the new characters, and even old characters like Yuuno and Chrono and Zafira (and technically Shamal)... nothing.
http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07220/Scene-23.gifAt least...
At leastt~
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They got SCREEN~TIME.......
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Did Arf die or something and I missed it T_T
Did Arf die or something and I missed it T_T
Oh, she's still alive (and loli this time, too) she's helping Yuuno in the library.
Deathkillz
2007-06-03, 07:26
Do you really want to bring up that discussion again? :heh:
Oh, she's still alive (and loli this time, too) she's helping Yuuno in the library.
case closed :p and now you know why he likes the library soo much ~ for arf to be sticking to a guy with no future was her downfall...now why was it again she stopped being fate chan's "protector" :rolleyes:
~ Keroko-kun
http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07220/Scene-17.gifOh oh..
Cool cool~ :cool:
Any spoiler when we gonna get some Arf time. =^.^=
Need Arf Time Now!!! ~
~ Keroko-kun
http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07220/Scene-17.gifOh oh..
Cool cool~ :cool:
Any spoiler when we gonna get some Arf time. =^.^=
Need Arf Time Now!!! ~
easy, easy! :heh: Go read the manga for now, that should calm you down a bit.
case closed :p and now you know why he likes the library soo much ~ for arf to be sticking to a guy with no future was her downfall...now why was it again she stopped being fate chan's "protector" :rolleyes:
Cause Fate far exceeded Arf in terms of strength. Arf realized Fate no longer needed her protection in battle, right now she's more like a familly member then a protector.
easy, easy! :heh: Go read the manga for now, that should calm you down a bit.
Cause Fate far exceeded Arf in terms of strength. Arf realized Fate no longer needed her protection in battle, right now she's more like a familly member then a protector.Not to mention that she's also busy taking care of Makoto and Ai Hallaoun back in Japan, Terra, along with Amy and Lindy. Also, with the TSAB HQ being canonically much closer to Earth than Mid Childa (can't explain why that happens, when in Voidspace there theoretically should be no sense of space but its there), Yuuno kinda got shelved as well. Its the distance factor that's keeping most of the S1 and S2 stars off-screen.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-03, 08:41
IT'S (the thread) ALIVE! IT'S ALIVEEEE!!!!!
Like Hayate, I opt to finish this in one shot :)
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You mean these two?
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/th_twin_familiars_fate_and_alicia.jpg (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/Liinna/twin_familiars_fate_and_alicia.jpg)
Well now, we all know how much he LOVES foxes and cats :D
Do you really want to bring up that discussion again? :heh:
I still have Skane's post somewhere... :D
http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07220/Scene-23.gifAt least...
At leastt~
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They got SCREEN~TIME.......
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Did Arf die or something and I missed it T_T
Chrono hasn't :heh: !!!
Oh, she's still alive (and loli this time, too) she's helping Yuuno in the library.
Slight correction, she's at home with Lindy more now :heh:
case closed :p and now you know why he likes the library soo much ~ for arf to be sticking to a guy with no future was her downfall...now why was it again she stopped being fate chan's "protector" :rolleyes:
Ah... But it was her that said she WAS NOT NEEDED :)
~ Keroko-kun
http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07220/Scene-17.gifOh oh..
Cool cool~ :cool:
Any spoiler when we gonna get some Arf time. =^.^=
Need Arf Time Now!!! ~
Who knows... Who knows...
Though personally I doubt it :p
Cause Fate far exceeded Arf in terms of strength. Arf realized Fate no longer needed her protection in battle, right now she's more like a familly member then a protector.
Give it up Deathkillz, you can't put Yuuno down without bring along a few characters :p
Darco_emp
2007-06-03, 08:55
Give it up Deathkillz, you can't put Yuuno down without bring along a few characters :p
Sadly this is indeed the case, to remove the ferrert there must be sacrifices no matter how great...
On a different note, if the spoilers are correct then I can't wait to see more action from the Aces.
I can't belive we posted more in this one week then the entire A's thread...
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-03, 09:00
On a different note, if the spoilers are correct then I can't wait to see more action from the Aces.
I can't belive we posted more in this one week then the entire A's thread...
Of which, isn't it about time we bug the mods for the next episode's thread?
You know... Just for the fun of it :D
Deathkillz
2007-06-03, 09:06
pfff if i have to be a one man army then so be it :p
still in terms of skill arf is pretty much on par with zafira...then why instead of fighting is she baby sitting? (perhaps yuuno hired her to be his bodyguard being targeted by ruthless assassins *cough*)
Darco_emp
2007-06-03, 09:06
Of which, isn't it about time we bug the mods for the next episode's thread?
You know... Just for the fun of it :D
Indeed it will be a great time to shift the "discussions" over :heh:. I wonder what will be a good topic for betting this week...
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-03, 09:09
pfff if i have to be a one man army then so be it :p
You'll run out of 'magic' mushrooms to fuel your delusions before the 2nd Op :p
still in terms of skill arf is pretty much on par with zafira...then why instead of fighting is she baby sitting? (perhaps yuuno hired her to be his bodyguard being targeted by ruthless assassins *cough*)
I wouldn't say that 'fighting' is Zafira's full-time job either :heh:
Hell, he could be working as a bouncer during his free time (Which he has alot :heh:), and the WHOLE of RF6 would be none the wiser...
EDIT:
Indeed it will be a great time to shift the "discussions" over :heh:. I wonder what will be a good topic for betting this week...
"Will Lutecia meet Erio?"
:D
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-03, 09:16
pfff if i have to be a one man army then so be it :p
still in terms of skill arf is pretty much on par with zafira...then why instead of fighting is she baby sitting? (perhaps yuuno hired her to be his bodyguard being targeted by ruthless assassins *cough*)
Yuuno as a target of ruthless assassins - not a bad idea, may play well in OC or fanfic threads too ;)
Actually there isn't enough time to show all the characters in StrikerS: it could be different plot arcs for separate groups but they didn't go this way; having all of them together they would be jumping between different scenes too often, so leaving some of them out could be a better idea.
"Will Lutecia meet Erio?"
:D
She surely will, but it's unclear under which circumstances.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-03, 09:23
She surely will, but it's unclear under which circumstances.
Oh yeah, that's right... :heh:
Oh yeah, that's right... :heh:
And more importantly,How would they meet?
ps.this discussion thread is getting very long.
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-03, 10:21
And more importantly,How would they meet?
ps.this discussion thread is getting very long.
Join Ep.10 thread then :D
Meophist
2007-06-03, 10:56
Not to mention that she's also busy taking care of Makoto and Ai Hallaoun back in Japan, Terra, along with Amy and Lindy. Also, with the TSAB HQ being canonically much closer to Earth than Mid Childa (can't explain why that happens, when in Voidspace there theoretically should be no sense of space but its there), Yuuno kinda got shelved as well. Its the distance factor that's keeping most of the S1 and S2 stars off-screen.Actually it's not Makoto and Ai, that was a mistranslation.
Aaron008R
2007-06-03, 20:56
Actually it's not Makoto and Ai, that was a mistranslation.
Really?:twitch: Then what are their names then?:confused:
Meophist
2007-06-03, 21:28
Really?:twitch: Then what are their names then?:confused:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=959590&postcount=752
Aaron008R
2007-06-03, 21:32
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=959590&postcount=752
Karel and Diella then. Thanks, Meophist.
I'm assuming these are names derived from cars again. Am I right?
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=959590&postcount=752Oh I see. Thanks! :D
pfff if i have to be a one man army then so be it :p
still in terms of skill arf is pretty much on par with zafira...then why instead of fighting is she baby sitting? (perhaps yuuno hired her to be his bodyguard being targeted by ruthless assassins *cough*)
http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07231/Scene-12.gifWhy does Yuuno need Arf?~ cuz she's loli now.
It's simple he needs her to counter his long term loli-fobia~
.http://xs216.xs.to/xs216/07231/Scene-10.gif
Remember the girls tried the same in Season 1.
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Yuuno's sick you now~
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100Edit - one moment later...
easy, easy! :heh: Go read the manga for now, that should calm you down a bit.
I think I'll wait and see it animated ~ :D
Nightengale
2007-06-04, 02:52
cuz she's loli now.
Aside from the fact that Arf's not with Yuuno right now. :rolleyes:
Right now, she's busy babysitting Fate's nephew/niece instead.
tshouryuu
2007-06-04, 03:31
Aside from the fact that Arf's not with Yuuno right now.
Right now, she's busy babysitting Fate's nephew/niece instead.
I think Arf just wants the chance to play with kids since that will likely be the only chance she will get as I assume she can't reproduce(although it might be interesting to see more little Arfs runing around), Chrono seems to be missing and thus no more kids from Amy atm and Fate is very unlikely to have any of her own(due to her obsession with Nanoha).
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-04, 04:03
Fate is very unlikely to have any of her own(due to her obsession with Nanoha).
Reminded me of FxYxN copypasta posted this night on 4chan - at least some people consider it possible :D
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-04, 05:31
I think Arf just wants the chance to play with kids since that will likely be the only chance she will get as I assume she can't reproduce(although it might be interesting to see more little Arfs runing around), Chrono seems to be missing and thus no more kids from Amy atm and Fate is very unlikely to have any of her own(due to her obsession with Nanoha).
I really don't think 'obsession' is the right word anymore :heh: (I myself don't think it's the right word to begin with .... :p)
I think Arf just wants the chance to play with kids since that will likely be the only chance she will get as I assume she can't reproduce(although it might be interesting to see more little Arfs runing around), Chrono seems to be missing and thus no more kids from Amy atm and Fate is very unlikely to have any of her own(due to her obsession with Nanoha).
How do you explain Arf then. Arf even has fate's eyes ~ sorta. And she grows smaller so fast :heh: (j/k)
Speaking of Arf, if she wants to play with kids, couldn't she have asked momy-fate for a little sister ~ :p
Seriously though...
I wonder if Fate were to create a familiar now would it be SS+ or whateva~
Just like Arf in S1 was close to Fate's level at the time ~ judging by support spells.
Aaron008R
2007-06-04, 08:46
How do you explain Arf then. Arf even has fate's eyes ~ sorta. And she grows smaller so fast :heh: (j/k)
Speaking of Arf, if she wants to play with kids, couldn't she have asked momy-fate for a little sister ~ :p
Seriously though...
I wonder if Fate were to create a familiar now would it be SS+ or whateva~
Just like Arf in S1 was close to Fate's level at the time ~ judging by support spells.
I'd say she was around A to A+. Yuuno kinda went head to head with her. She managed to punch Chrono a few meters away, and she DID hold her own against Zafira.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-04, 08:52
I'd say she was around A to A+. Yuuno kinda went head to head with her. She managed to punch Chrono a few meters away, and she DID hold her own against Zafira.
Yeahhh... A 'Berserker'-class tends to do those things :heh:
Episode 9 subs are out from Yesy!!!
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 08:25
Episode 9 subs are out from Yesy!!!
That was fast :heh:
Probably high in demand :)
TBH the only thing stopping them from releasing every episode a couple days after airdate is probably raw quality, so this episode having aired a week ago presented no difficulty in that area.
also.. this topic is huge.. wow >_>
Aaron008R
2007-06-05, 08:29
Episode 9 subs are out from Yesy!!!
Thanks for the info.:)
Looks like were getting back on track.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 08:40
Thanks for the info.:)
Looks like were getting back on track.
I hoped I've crashed episode 8's thread :heh:
Though I've got the feeling it won't end just there... We should begin Erecting barriers!
I've still got Keroko's post somewhere... :D
Aaron008R
2007-06-05, 08:42
I hoped I've crashed episode 8's thread :heh:
Though I've got the feeling it won't end just there... We should begin Erecting barriers!
I've still got Keroko's post somewhere... :D
You bagged yourself a number of irritated people.:heh:
And about the barriers, we'll just be shooed of to the Tech thread.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 08:53
You bagged yourself a number of irritated people.:heh:
And about the barriers, we'll just be shooed of to the Tech thread.
Yeah, not quite myself today...
I don't want to go back to the Tech thread :upset: ! Those people are scary!
FlareKnight
2007-06-05, 09:02
Alright for yesy, those guys are on fire. Didn't think we'd see that one for a while. Must...understand dialogue.......
Yeah I just avoided the tech discussion all together. I'm trying to have fun not figure out the nuances of magical technology. Besides....those people are really serious.
Nightengale
2007-06-05, 09:06
C'mon! We're not that bad.
At least the storm had passed. I remember being a 3rd wheel during the Great Technological Crusade of Kha the Kleriker. Right now, it's more or less general talks on the presented basis, much less on the whole magical equation/quantum physics thing.
Aaron008R
2007-06-05, 09:08
Yeah, not quite myself today...
I don't want to go back to the Tech thread :upset: ! Those people are scary!
You should have seen me rudely rebutting the statement of of a fellow member a few hours before.:heh:
The tech thread isn't really THAT frightening. Except maybe the earlier parts.:uhoh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 10:12
C'mon! We're not that bad.
Say... Don't they have rehabs for that as well... :cool: ?
Yeah I just avoided the tech discussion all together. I'm trying to have fun not figure out the nuances of magical technology. Besides....those people are really serious.
I thought it was all fun an games... Until things gotten weird and I begin considering ideas that I've never thought before....
*Shudder*
You should have seen me rudely rebutting the statement of of a fellow member a few hours before.:heh:
Yeah... it's kinda hard to missed that 'UMPTEENTH' time... :p
The tech thread isn't really THAT frightening. Except maybe the earlier parts.:uhoh:
Tech Thread...
Home of ultra-super long rants...
*Shudder*
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-05, 15:27
I'm waiting for people who posted in Ep.8 thread recently to show up here and say if they still have the same opinion :rolleyes:
Anh_Minh
2007-06-05, 15:35
OK. I posted in the ep8 thread recently and I still have the same opinion. :p
Deathkillz
2007-06-05, 15:59
and i quote myself from the ep 8 discussions...
clearly its not going to get through to some people and they are fully entitled to their own opinions...those that are still in doubt should see the light when ep 9 gets subbed (bless your soul if you dont though :p)
;)
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-05, 16:11
Since there're more people who've probably seen Ep.9 for the first time now, how many agree that the things started in Ep.8 got wrapped up fittingly I wonder? Was it rushed? Unsufficiently explained? Left too little impact? I personally expected them to drag the conflict a bit longer through the series.
And not to mention the lack of actual footage of the "accident" with Nanoha.
In my opinion it was done pretty nicely.The Nanoha's incident is pretty much covered and probably wont be explained further.
They need to do this or there might not be enough time left for the main plot to progress.It will end up rushed especially with
introduction of those 2 new characters and there is still more to go (e.g. Agito/their organization/client/etc)
We are already reaching 1/2 way mark soon and tons of people already screaming "boring no action " in various site/forums with the current pace :heh: personally i dont mind
FlareKnight
2007-06-05, 16:51
Yeah I'm not expecting a ton more on this incident. From what the subs now made clear it wasn't a powerful enemy that crushed Nanoha. But one that normally she would've handled easily and protected her allies, but stressing her body ended up in that result.
Maybe they just don't want to show Nanoha getting beaten to a bloody pulp. I think it was done fairly well. Considering we're nearing the half way point they probably felt this was enough to deal with the conflict. Soon they'll probably start ramping things up since characters are getting their backgrounds and we're understanding them better.
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-05, 16:54
In my opinion it was done pretty nicely.The Nanoha's incident is pretty much covered and probably wont be explained further.
They need to do this or there might not be enough time left for the main plot to progress.It will end up rushed especially with
introduction of those 2 new characters and there is still more to go (e.g. Agito/their organization/client/etc)
We are already reaching 1/2 way mark soon and tons of people already screaming "boring no action " in various site/forums with the current pace :heh: personally i dont mind
They should've better cut/combined something in Eps.1-7 to get 1 or 2 free for more dramatic moments.
There wouldn't be many problems with introduction of new characters if they were mortal in Nanohaverse :heh: Here's hope StrikerS will change something
There wouldn't be many problems with introduction of new characters if they were mortal in Nanohaverse :heh: Here's hope StrikerS will change something
That's the problem with Nanoha series style :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 17:57
If they really intend to do that, then we really shouldn't get too attached to the characters.... :heh:
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-05, 17:59
If they really intend to do that, then we really shouldn't get too attached to the characters.... :heh:
It's the best when done with a character to whom many fans are attached :D But there's also risk some may drop the series afterwards :p
Meophist
2007-06-05, 18:01
It's the best when done with a character to whom many fans are attached :D But there's also risk some may drop the series afterwards :p
You can't get anywhere unless you're willing to take some risks.
Deathkillz
2007-06-05, 18:04
It's the best when done with a character to whom many fans are attached :D But there's also risk some may drop the series afterwards :p
not really...it just bumps the series into the god-like category...dont see me dropping gurren lagann when a certain someone was left in the rain (made the journey a hell lot more painful but a shock once in a while is welcomed...) ~ now if only they have the balls to bump off someone important..."kill the character roulette" anyone? :D *lands on nanoha* "SHI~~~!" O_o
Meophist
2007-06-05, 18:08
not really...it just bumps the series into the god-like category...dont see me dropping gurren lagann when a certain someone was left in the rain (made the journey a hell lot more painful but a shock once in a while is welcomed...) ~ now if only they have the balls to bump off someone important..."kill the character roulette" anyone? :D *lands on nanoha* "SHI~~~!" O_o
I already suggested that a long time ago. Needless to say, not many were too pleased about the idea.
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-05, 18:11
not really...it just bumps the series into the god-like category...dont see me dropping gurren lagann when a certain someone was left in the rain (made the journey a hell lot more painful but a shock once in a while is welcomed...) ~ now if only they have the balls to bump off someone important..."kill the character roulette" anyone? :D *lands on nanoha* "SHI~~~!" O_o
There's difference when it's done in a fresh series and in the third season of something where nobody has ever died on screen. They should've started in A's imho :D Or at least during A's to StrikerS.
Opportunity to jump on-topic: having shown someone actually dying in a flashback would've explained even better that they're not playing games in RF6.
Deathkillz
2007-06-05, 18:16
why a flash back? im just up for some being blown to bits on screen (which will completely throw the series into the deep end imo) ~ hate to say this but ginga seems the most likely candidate for that...subaru should start practicing using her revolver knuckles on her left hand now :rolleyes:
why a flash back? im just up for some being blown to bits on screen (which will completely throw the series into the deep end imo) ~ hate to say this but ginga seems the most likely candidate for that...subaru should start practicing using her revolver knuckles on her left hand now :rolleyes:
If Gin-nee dies on screen, then we'll have a candidate for the "best scream of pain and despair" award.
That and a very very angry, dual-wielding Subaru.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 18:31
If Gin-nee dies on screen, then we'll have a candidate for the "best scream of pain and despair" award.
That and a very very angry, dual-wielding Subaru.
"Impulse" Subaru... :uhoh:
Nightengale
2007-06-05, 18:34
"Impulse" Subaru... :uhoh:
Screams of pain and anger? There's only one thing for that.
"Chemical Bolts" Subaru.
She can upgrade to "Genesic" once she had seen the light.
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-05, 18:48
why a flash back? im just up for some being blown to bits on screen (which will completely throw the series into the deep end imo) ~ hate to say this but ginga seems the most likely candidate for that...subaru should start practicing using her revolver knuckles on her left hand now :rolleyes:
Of course it's better in real-time on screen. In best case in the nearest episodes - someone important dies, scenes of mass destruction to the city, lots of innocents hurt -> TSAB in turmoil, inner conspiracy, more important characters die/are hurt, RF6 and loyal part of TSAB vs good Doc and his clients -> epic battles and bittersweet ending :rolleyes:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 18:59
Screams of pain and anger? There's only one thing for that.
"Chemical Bolts" Subaru.
She can upgrade to "Genesic" once she had seen the light.
I'm handicapped in this kind of things :heh:
Okay, okay, I just sank my teeth into this episode. After watching it, I felt like I was going to barf!! I swear, they tried, really, really, really hard to make Nanoha look like the ultimate goody two shoes. Magical bullets? Give me a break!:D With that said however, everything she said made sense of course and can't argue with that. I'm no fool. Also, she admitted that she made some mistakes as well, so she's also taken responsibilities for her actions as a leader, which is what I wanted to see. One thing that irked me a bit though was the treatment of Tea these past two episodes. One minute she's voicing her feelings on wanting to be stronger, next minute she's getting blasted and punched in the face. Luckly Shari was there to save the day or this episode could've gone in a completely different direction.
Well, it's not too much more that I can say other than the fact that I'm glad I've finally had the chance to watch this episode. Still though, even after watching this, I believe that Nanoha was in the wrong for blasting Tea, although she used "magical bullets" which was a convienient way of making Nanoha look like she didn't do anything wrong. Sorry, aint biting!:) Still love her though. Now that's out of the way, I'm ready for some more high octane action!
Meophist
2007-06-05, 21:10
Magical attacks is the reason why no matter how much Nanoha beat up on Fate, she never got seriously injured. Magical attacks is the reason why Nanoha never felt the need to hold back on her attacks on Vita until after she executed them. Magical attacks is half the reason a third of the characters are still at least three quarters alive.
Magical attacks also make ice cream, which is why Subaru likes Nanoha so much.
Edit: Mean magic damage.
Still though, Nanoha blasts were enough to knock Tea unconscious. Talk about convienient, it seems like they absolutely made sure that Nanoha was right and Tea was ALL wrong, which I though was harsh, especially the way that Tea has been treated. I did a WTF when Signum punched Tea in the face. That was completely uncalled for. Tea didn't use any derogatory words towards Nanoha. She was explaing (although very emotional) why she felt that she wasn't strong and that she wanted to try through hard work. I thought that was very unprofessional of Signum. Luckly, she has a group of people whom supported her. I wouldn't have been surprised if Signum kicked Tea in the stomach while she was on the ground and no one said a word. Sigh....It just seems that TOO much blame was put on Tea, which wasn't called for IMO.
Meophist
2007-06-05, 22:01
I'm not going to say I completely agree with all of Nanoha's actions. I think there are things she could've done differently, but I don't believe what she did was wrong.
As for what Signum did, well, were you paying attention to what Teana was saying?
"If I don't overdo it a bit, or if I don't go at it like I'm going to die, then I'm not going to get any stronger!"
She was ready to risk and sacrifice everything just so that she could do just a little bit more. In other words, she was ready to repeat what happened at Hotel Augusta despite everything that happened since. She was being stubborn and rather stupid, not to mention rebellious. Or to put it another way, she was being a typical teenager.
Another thing to take into consideration is the situation. The enemy was nearby and Nanoha, Fate, and Vita were about to enter battle. It was not a situation to strike up an argument. Compared to the situation at hand, Teana's concerns were less of a priority.
stormturmoil
2007-06-05, 23:16
While signum had her reasons, it seems to me that she was being every bit as bad as Teana in that punch...
if Teana had responded differently, Signum could have tied the whole unit up in a brawl, or worse, if Teana had really been provoked and responded with magic against unprepared, unprotected opponents, someone could have been seriously wounded or even killed. Teana would probably have come off worst, but there would almost certainly have been collateral damage. It doesn't matter how limited she may be, or how higher in rank the others are...if she got first crack with anything against someone with no defence...
To say nothing of what Subaru could have done if she'd taken issue with it...
In other words, Signum got lucky in Teana not responding. But she shouldn't have had to rely on being lucky. She shouldn't have taken the risk. She just defied Nanoha's own argument. It undermines the lesson.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 23:29
@stormturmoil
Ah, if only it was a high school... Maybe poor Teana could report it to the Principal and sue Signum :)
And lets face it, Teana? Strike back at Signum? HA!
Besides, Subaru didn't have the guts before and she won't have it 8 hours later.
Aaron008R
2007-06-05, 23:32
@stormturmoil
Ah, if only it was a high school... Maybe poor Teana could report it to the Principal and sue Signum :)
And lets face it, Teana? Strike back at Signum? HA!
As perfectly possible in the real world as it sounds, Signum is definitely NOT a fighter to be caught unawares after SHE throws of the FIRST punch.:heh:
Her only problem now is Vice insisting that she's the 'submissive uke' type.:heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-05, 23:39
As perfectly possible in the real world as it sounds, Signum is definitely NOT a fighter to be caught unawares after SHE fires of the FIRST shot.:heh:
The mental image was so funny!
Subaru and Teana starting a fight with Signum?! It would be over before Vice could start recording :D
Her only problem now is Vice insisting that she's the 'submissive uke' type.:heh:
I wonder where he gets that idea from...
Aaron008R
2007-06-06, 00:05
I wonder where he gets that idea from...
Hmm, the greater the Tsun, the greater the Dere?:confused:
Or in Signum's case, the tougher exterior attitude, the softer hidden side?
stormturmoil
2007-06-06, 00:17
Subaru and Teana starting a fight with Signum?! It would be over before Vice could start recording
You're quite right, it would. That's the point.
Signum would then have to explain two dead trainees.
By her own admission, in the series, to Vice, she cannot pull her blows and cannot judge character very well. She explicitly says this to Vice, using it as her reason for not being in training...
and then goes and does this, apparently becoming a perfect judge of character, enough to know there will be no response...
Of course, it could be that Signum is a better judge of character than she herself knows...but not knowing herself just seems so...Un-Signum. As does any idea that she is being modest, since modesty can be misleading, and misleading is too close to lying...and Signum most definitely does not strike me as a liar, quite the opposite, she strikes me as being the sort most likely not to lie about her own abilites simply because.
In which case, how has she suddenly become perfect at doing something she herself says she is very bad at?
Unless she was just lashing out, maybe even hoping for a response...but that would put her even further in the wrong, something I don't think is the case.
Basically, My problem is that this development seems to have been put in solely for the 'shock after Shock' value, rather than as a piece of properly developed character interaction, because it rails against things already established in the series...
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-06, 00:35
Signum would then have to explain two dead trainees.
You are over-Exaggerating the situation.
By her own admission, in the series, to Vice, she cannot pull her blows and cannot judge character very well. She explicitly says this to Vice, using it as her reason for not being in training...
You don't have to be a trainer to Administrate corporal punishment.
and then goes and does this, apparently becoming a perfect judge of character, enough to know there will be no response...
She's a SUPERIOR officer.
Please remember that.
Of course, it could be that Signum is a better judge of character than she herself knows...but not knowing herself just seems so...Un-Signum. As does any idea that she is being modest, since modesty can be misleading, and misleading is too close to lying...and Signum most definitely does not strike me as a liar, quite the opposite, she strikes me as being the sort most likely not to lie about her own abilites simply because.
Teana was out of line. It doesn't matter what her problem is, you don't bring it out in a situation like this.
In which case, how has she suddenly become perfect at doing something she herself says she is very bad at?
Hmm, I'm pretty sure she wasn't teaching a lesson or than "Suck it up".
Not a high school, remember?
Unless she was just lashing out, maybe even hoping for a response...but that would put her even further in the wrong, something I don't think is the case.
Corporal punishment in the military...
Wow, we sure never heard THAT before...
Basically, My problem is that this development seems to have been put in solely for the 'shock after Shock' value, rather than as a piece of properly developed character interaction, because it rails against things already established in the series...
Established? YOU are surprised that Signum has no tolerance to things like that?
Whoa... :twitch:
Klashikari
2007-06-06, 01:14
This episodes was... let's face it : too convenient.
while i'm relieved that nanoha's reasons aren't out of character, nor uncalled for, the execution was a bit dubious, and i will agree ACE2003 that she was shown as the "perfect goody 2 shoes".
don't make me wrong, she doesn't have to be either full of flaws nor perfect, but the plain presentation wasn't convincing (at least for me)
little review :
shamal is... *cough* well, it is hard to not have wild imagination with the "pants"...
While i understood the magic wasn't harmful, the lack of bruises or any superficial scratches aren't really realistic to say the least. and like i already stated on the other thread, kocking someone out with a "magic attack" without any physical minimal damage which never proved to be able to "attack the psyche" of the target is really weird. Not really a big unconsistancy, but not really a faint detail either.
Scaghlietti is creepier and creepier. No wonder why Zest isn't really friendly with him. As for Lutecia, her "FATE-TAN METER" is getting too absurd.
It isn't really often you see a baddy smart enough to gauge his oppenents. good point here. (his sponsors are sure rich however : i don't think these drones were cheap, while he was commenting them as pieces of scrap metal)Teana's third "happy" scene.
well then, out of combat readiness was sure predictable and suited for the timing.
on the other hand, Teana didn't have the great idea to spill everything in such situation.
But on a second thought, it would be hard to burst the truth later on. also, i'm glad they didn't put her going "emo", or it would be really idiotic. (emotional, but kept some dignity and calm, thank goodness)
as for signum's punch... err... well...
that was simply not the diligent and calm answer i would expect from her. (and before you ask : signum is my favourite nanoha character)
Something like a big "SHUT UP, BRAT" or "SILENCE" would be effective enough, and not so out of character.
not only the punch wasn't appropriate, but it could create a situation like stormturmoil imagined : a useless brawl, where the rookies would pay the price. (well, at least Teana and Subaru)
Nanoha's reaction to this was really "motherly", but i can hardly believe she understood the situation only now.
she knew teana's past, she had several moments with her, where there were hints of her need of strength. sure, she would have no possibility to understand this need fully (as no one would have ever know about her inferiority complex compared to the rest of MS6), but her lack of clue is surprising, yet moronic (poor scripting here). Cross Mirage Mode 2 was an obvious proof that she knews Teana's Enforcer wish (so, in extent, about her brother).
Erio, Caro and Subaru reactions, OTHO, were well executed, and pretty much human and pertinent. (the pause subaru made, before explaining their wish is a vary nice point)
and finally, we got the big convenient part of this episode : shari's intervention.
i will skip usual comment "how the heck they could have recorded event prio TSAB presence on earth? especially the third perspective? recycled scenes FTW"
Signum's explanations were the only part i was really satisfied with this : questions about teana's actions, and their goal at these times.
"Rakete Form". w00t. Kakihara Tetsuya all the way ! (more Eisen and Laev please ~~)
Nanoha hidden plans for Teana pretty much confirmed that she could use another way for ep8. (much like a big yell : that's enough, you are not prepared for this. etc etc. meh, let's forget this episode anyway...)
meh, hard to fully explain the disappointment coming from the amount of convenience in this episode.
still, the pace and resolution are fine, and no technical problem (and the seiyuu were again doing an awesome job).
Anh_Minh
2007-06-06, 02:19
I don't see Signum's punch as out of character. She's centuries old and presented as somewhat archaic. The whole "don't use violence on kids in any circumstance" thing is relatively recent.
And Teana's not entirely a kid: she's a soldier. Other rules apply.
I'm not going to say I completely agree with all of Nanoha's actions. I think there are things she could've done differently, but I don't believe what she did was wrong.
As for what Signum did, well, were you paying attention to what Teana was saying?
"If I don't overdo it a bit, or if I don't go at it like I'm going to die, then I'm not going to get any stronger!"
She was ready to risk and sacrifice everything just so that she could do just a little bit more. In other words, she was ready to repeat what happened at Hotel Augusta despite everything that happened since. She was being stubborn and rather stupid, not to mention rebellious. Or to put it another way, she was being a typical teenager.
Another thing to take into consideration is the situation. The enemy was nearby and Nanoha, Fate, and Vita were about to enter battle. It was not a situation to strike up an argument. Compared to the situation at hand, Teana's concerns were less of a priority.
Still, that doesn't give Signum the right to punch Tea just because everyone else is pressed for time. That didn't sit too good with me. Especially after what Nanoha did to Tea. The last thing Tea needed IMO was more physical punishment. A verbal scolding would've done fine in this situation. I'm not excusing Signum because she's an "old time" warrior. She has had plenty of time to adapt to this world so she should've known better.
And I honestly must say that Nanoha could get away with murder if she wanted to. Everything in this episode definately swung here way to make it so that she was completely justify for what happen, which isn't totally true. She wasn't 100% right, which is what everyone is saying. Not buying into that. Although Tea had her own stubborn ways, she had good intentions, she wanted to improve herself, that's why she was working hard not to make the same mistake she made at the hotel. Too convienient sums up this episode for me. Poor Tea...well, hopefully she's learned her lesson.
Anh_Minh
2007-06-06, 03:21
Still, that doesn't give Signum the right to punch Tea just because everyone else is pressed for time. That didn't sit too good with me. Especially after what Nanoha did to Tea. The last thing Tea needed IMO was more physical punishment. A verbal scolding would've done fine in this situation.
No, it wouldn't. It'd just have started an argument. Not only did they not have the time for it, but, as Vita said, it would only have further spoiled her.
An alternative would have been to remind her of ranks and discipline and all that jazz, with the risk of escalating things into a full blown official reprimand or worse.
So since they didn't have time, why not just punch Tea to shut her up?!:twitch: What kind of logic is that? That type of action isn't justified nor would've it been in the real world. Just because a troop is saying some high engergy words doesn't give the superior the right to punch them to "save time." Again, I was very surprised and caught off guard by what Signum did. I felt she dealt with that situation poorly IMO. It's just absurd what Tea has had to put up with this last three episodes. It seemed that her morale was getting lower and lower and she's just kept getting kicked while she was down while Nanoha was looking all perfect and prim like everything she did was 100%. She made no mistakes in which the anime had no problem portraying that fact. Again, too convenient for me, but I have no choice but to accept that.
Anh_Minh
2007-06-06, 03:49
Read the whole argument. The saving time aspect is actually secondary to the fact that Teana needed another rude awakening. She was acting spoiled.
Sure, there were alternatives. But screw them. They weren't really better.
Nanoha gave her free reign to speak her mind in which Tea exactly did and she got punished for it with a punch to face. You can hardly call that fair. How would you feel in that situation. You're talking and all of sudden you're punched in the face because time needed to saved? You'd be jumping for joy right? Believe it or not, everything that Superiors did these past episode isn't correct (particularly Signum and Nanoha) in my book at least.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-06, 04:13
Nanoha gave her free reign to speak her mind in which Tea exactly did and she got punished for it with a punch to face. You can hardly call that fair. How would you feel in that situation.
Only an idiot would would try to complaint to your superior officer.
Military, remember?
Suck it up. This isn't a high school.
You're talking and all of sudden you're punched in the face because time needed to saved? You'd be jumping for joy right?
She wasn't just starting any pleasant conversion, please don't mistake that.
She was stating outright that she was willing to throw anything and everything away for the sake of power.
You'll be eager to work with someone like that, right?
Believe it or not, everything that Superiors did these past episode isn't correct (particularly Signum and Nanoha) in my book at least.
Military...
Repeat after me, M.I.L.I.T.A.R.Y....
EDIT:
Will reply when get home...
Anh_Minh
2007-06-06, 04:14
The mistake was allowing her to speak in the first place. That's why I say she's "spoiled". Nanoha's mistake wasn't being too harsh. It was not being harsh enough.
So Tea was basically an idiot for explaining how she felt while Nanoha gave her the chance to do so? What good would it have been for Tea to bottle this up inside her? You shouldn't have to be afraid to talk to your Superiors for the risk of getting punched or whatnot. Despite what Tea may have been saying, at least have the decency to let her speak her mind, although it may not be correct. Don't punch someone because you don't like what they're saying, especially if it's nothing bad about you.
Yes, I understand that it's the M.I.L.I.T.A.R.Y, but superiors aren't above the law in to which they can get away with things like that. Signum was out of line regardless if Tea was "wasting time" in which I didn't think was hardly a waste of time. Your troop is talking about how's she's feeling right now and to be brushed off as sorry, you're wasting time? What kind of leadership is that? They really didn't need three people for that mission. Fate and Vita would've been enough. Nanoha needed to stay there and let Tea say what she had to say.
Anh_Minh
2007-06-06, 04:46
Two words: time; place.
Talking with Nanoha in private, when she had time for it? She should have done that. Protesting her orders in public as she's about to go into battle? Bad idea. Nanoha shouldn't have authorized it.
It's the military. Not the "Make Tea Feel Good Organisation".
As a superior officer, Nanoha should have clearly prioritized the good of the organisation over the feelings of one trainee. I read a book on dog training, once, where they explained you have to feed the dogs after the family, or they won't understand that the humans are dominant. It's what Nanoha failed to do here, she failed to make Tea understand that it wasn't all about her.
If Nanoha was wrong to think Tea would be more hindrance than help at this point and to take her off the roster, too bad, but Tea should have just sucked it up for the time being instead of arguing.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-06, 05:24
I guess alot of people still miss the good ol' days when Nanoha and company weren't in the TSAB (military) and thus having the result of why people think that what ever Nanoha and Signum did to Teana, was very wrong...well the shows changed and did a big turn in the series, now its the MILITARY, so hitting your subordinate to make them snap out of it or just to make them listen is pretty common:heh: whether you like it or not...but at the end, Teana got a long talk with Nanoha and everything was resolved!:)(I think...)
while I do sometimes feel like I miss how the old Nanoha series was, this is just how it has to be and in reality the Military is really like that...
time flies by huh, subs for episode 9 are out already...damn...
It's not the "Make Tea Feel Bad Organization" either. If you're going to let the subordinate speak freely, don't be so surprised at what comes out of their mouths. Out of all the things Tea said, she didn't bad mouth Nanoha one bit. She was speaking her true feelings and she got punished for that. Definately not Tea's fault in this situation.
Again, just because you're a superior doesn't make you immune to the rules, regardless how much rank you have or how much pull you got. I must say that Nanoha is one lucky individual whom has friends that will support her EVERY decision, regardless if it may be wrong. And hitting your subordinate ISN'T very common at all. I have know idea where that came from. One of these days, at least in the real world, a superior will punch the wrong person and they won't react the way that they expect them too. It's just fortunate that Tea was in a more emotional, broken down state. No Superior has the right to put their hands let alone punch them in the face because they're stating their opinion. She may not like it, but that's the way it is. I would've prefered if Signum cussed her out or something. Don't just up and punch somebody because they're wasting time. What a convenient excuse.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-06, 05:51
uh, its not really common in military to hit your subordinate to make them "snap out of it"??
while it is true that Signum did go overboard to hit Teana while she was expressing her feelings about the situation, its just that Teana was acting spoiled...about how she wants to get stronger, so she wants the most dangerous position on the battlefield to improve her skills as a range attacker, as to Signum, it was stupid and reckless of her to even say that and it was screaming out "suicide" from Teana, so I guess it just irritated the crap out of Signum for Teana being super cocky and thus wanted her to snap out of it...
well this is MILITARY as how a lot of people have said it in this forum...even I dont really like the idea of how Teana was being handled in episode 8 and 9 (still have to watch ep.9 before saying anything else that I dont know), but TSAB is military...so yea subordinate discipline like that, is sometimes necessary to do.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-06, 05:57
A good leader is someone who is feared and respected by his/her followers.
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So Tea was basically an idiot for explaining how she felt while Nanoha gave her the chance to do so?
What good would it have been for Tea to bottle this up inside her?
You shouldn't have to be afraid to talk to your Superiors for the risk of getting punched or whatnot.
Despite what Tea may have been saying, at least have the decency to let her speak her mind, although it may not be correct. Don't punch someone because you don't like what they're saying, especially if it's nothing bad about you.
Yes, she's an idiot.
That brain in her head was meant to tell her that this is NOT the time and place.
And you're mistaking a military officer with a school teacher. A school teacher HAS to listen, a military officer DOESN'T.
THis is NOT High school.
Yes, I understand that it's the M.I.L.I.T.A.R.Y, but superiors aren't above the law in to which they can get away with things like that.
Get away with what? Corporal punishment?
Yeah, cause nobody does that anymore... :rolleyes:
Signum was out of line regardless if Tea was "wasting time" in which I didn't think was hardly a waste of time.
Yeah... Because listening to Teana's problem could magically make the drones disappear.
Your troop is talking about how's she's feeling right now and to be brushed off as sorry, you're wasting time? What kind of leadership is that?
A MILITARY leadership.
This is not high school. This is not a get together session. You have to deal with your problems or bring them up later.
They really didn't need three people for that mission. Fate and Vita would've been enough. Nanoha needed to stay there and let Tea say what she had to say.
Man, you really are clueless about army life huh?
In the midst of a crisis, you DO NOT use personal reasons as an excuse of disobeying an order.
The Lt. Colonel says 3 mages, you damn well better sent out 3 mages.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-06, 06:05
In the perfect world, maybe you'll get your wish...
... But unfortunately, there rarely is any justice for the common soldier.
Deathkillz
2007-06-06, 06:37
hahaha!...this is never ending! :rolleyes:
It's not the "Make Tea Feel Bad Organization" either. If you're going to let the subordinate speak freely, don't be so surprised at what comes out of their mouths. Out of all the things Tea said, she didn't bad mouth Nanoha one bit. She was speaking her true feelings and she got punished for that. Definately not Tea's fault in this situation.
bish bash...what tea said was out of order...especially when she says things that arent true and this is one of those cases...no one expects a neewbie to put their life on the line before they even finished the combat lessons..."dont start to run before you can even crawl" is my answer to this...trying hard is right but what tea is doing is suicidal...shes aiming to throw herself onto the enemy without any disregard for her own safety...hoping for a double KO? i dont think so...and in that situation WTF is she thinking saying such things? if nanoha was being really mean should would have said ~ "just STFU and return to your room...this is an ORDER!"
Again, just because you're a superior doesn't make you immune to the rules, regardless how much rank you have or how much pull you got. I must say that Nanoha is one lucky individual whom has friends that will support her EVERY decision, regardless if it may be wrong. And hitting your subordinate ISN'T very common at all. I have know idea where that came from. One of these days, at least in the real world, a superior will punch the wrong person and they won't react the way that they expect them too. It's just fortunate that Tea was in a more emotional, broken down state. No Superior has the right to put their hands let alone punch them in the face because they're stating their opinion. She may not like it, but that's the way it is. I would've prefered if Signum cussed her out or something. Don't just up and punch somebody because they're wasting time. What a convenient excuse.
unfortunatly life is unfair...and whoever has power can use that to their advantage...but in this case nanoha was being completely fair! its not a matter of whether her firends back her up or not the matter is that she is doing what is right...and she didnt even lift a finger even when tea was sprouting nonsense ~
signum did lose her patience but what do you expect? back in those days she was used to being the leader and had to be strict...its just the same here...im sure she would have punished vita if she went out of line and that she was respected for...tea is a spoilt brat like they say and signum couldnt look on any further...
she stated her opinion all right...in the worse way possible...its tea whos trying to spark off an argument when the time was crucial and signum just poured water over the fire...besides she "held back" :heh:
Julius Firefocht
2007-06-06, 06:42
Chaos2Frozen, you more or less summed it up quite well for everyone. That is the military, not a high school.
In a highly disciplined force, what Tea did can be considered insubordination to a superior, and insubordination is a punishable offence. Nanoha was being generous about listening to Tea before she set off in the helicopter, notice that even Vita was about to do something to Tea before Nanoha stopped her.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-06, 06:45
hahaha!...this is never ending! :rolleyes:
I did warn you all to prepare the defences :heh:
she stated her opinion all right...in the worse way possible...its tea whos trying to spark off an argument when the time was crucial and signum just poured water over the fire...besides she "held back" :heh:
Heh...
Most of the 4koma make me smile, but few could make me laugh out loud :D
Chaos2Frozen, you more or less summed it up quite well for everyone. That is the military, not a high school.
I've been trying to tell them that since last episode :heh:
In a highly disciplined force, what Tea did can be considered insubordination to a superior, and insubordination is a punishable offence. Nanoha was being generous about listening to Tea before she set off in the helicopter, notice that even Vita was about to do something to Tea before Nanoha stopped her.
And the punishment is to what the officer sees fit.
Which is anything short of murder and outright torture.
Well, I just watched this last night and it was a nice follow-up to the last episode. I was a Nanoha supporter last episode, so I knew Teana would come around eventually, but I was actually supprised that they actually seem to have resolved the Teana issue so soon. I was kind of expecting it to be the trigger for the big blow out at the climax of the season. Still, its nice that everyone is friends again. ;)
I won't bother to re-state all the pro-Nanaoh and pro-Signum arguments. Those have been covered already and you either accept them or not. I will say that I hope a lot of the more vehement "Nanoha was wrong" people in this thread better never volunteer for the armed services, becuase they will be in for a very rude awakening if they think Teana is actually an example of acceptable behaviour in the military. :rolleyes:
An Hero in Disguise
2007-06-06, 06:49
The producers are to blame for showing things to be too good and shiny in an elite military division during the first episodes. Thus Ep.8 and 9 appeared to be quite surprising, while actually they're much more realistic in a way. And in Ep.10 everyone is happy and playing a family/kindergarten instead of special forces again, awww, hope Ep.11 will bring them a cold shower once more
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