Claymore - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Pellissier

2007-05-29, 13:23

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Varis

2007-05-29, 16:16

how can there be an ep. after Teresa died? =(

Mentar

2007-05-29, 16:26

Since this was the perfect example of a "transitional episode", I'll only give it an 8, but I was much more pleased with it than the result displays. Why? Because the final really critical issue for me was the quality of the voice actors for Miria, Deneve and especially Helen. And I'm very pleased.

Helen is 100% spot on exactly what I hoped for. Light and clear voice, but not in the least dollish, with a hard and aggressive edge. She's a very temperamental character, and I'm sure she'll do just fine.

Deneve also fits like a glove. More controlled and very self-assured. No-nonsense type.

Miria very slightly deviated from my expectations early on because she showed a bit more emotion while chastising Clare for acting alone than I had expected. However, throughout the rest of the show, her timbre was exactly as I had imagined before.

I'm SO looking forward to the rest of the ride now ^_^

Defiled one

2007-05-29, 16:32

I´m still mourning...I`ll give my results

Deathkillz

2007-05-29, 16:36

well this is where the fun starts :)

clare is a strong girl so i cant wait to see how she works her way to become a claymore...ill be giving her my 100% support throughout :3

*mourns more for teresa*

SimplyEd

2007-05-29, 17:49

how can there be an ep. after Teresa died? =(

Quoted for truth. How dares the world to simply continue onwards?

Anyway, didn't get a chance to watch it yet so, i'll give it my vote of confidence later^^ Too sleepy now.

Mentar

2007-05-29, 18:04

One little addition: I'd say that in a way, the training match between Clare and Miria was the best-animated swordfight so far. Dynamic and very detailed. Liked it alot!

Archmagination2002

2007-05-29, 18:10

Did they put in the part about Claire finding Rubal and taking Teresa's Flesh+Blood into her?

ruurguy

2007-05-29, 19:14

Did they put in the part about Claire finding Rubal and taking Teresa's Flesh+Blood into her?

Yes they did put it in right at the beginning.

Deathkillz

2007-05-29, 19:45

just watched...
oh dam...so they didnt have anything for the intermediate my mistake >.<

seeing clare taking teresa's severed head and running through town like a lost lamb...that got my emotions flowing again >__<

then moving onto the present timeline we see clare given a mission to join up with 3 other claymores...and it just hit me...claymores dont form good teams :heh: especially when there a weak link...and clare being the weakest ranked claymore doesnt help...

the fight between clare and Miria was awesome! everything seemed like it was fast forwarded (which at times seemed a bit odd :heh:) ~ clare passes out but she sees teresa's sword skills...this is going to be useful...

at the end the group nears their destination where they ment a man...who is actually a youma...Miria (rank 6) gets injured and he shows his true form...:uhoh:

Negativedark

2007-05-29, 19:45

When I'm at my friends house, I'll have to see if I can use his actually decent speed internet, to see a clip with everyones voices and see how they fit up with what I imagined.

MrProphet

2007-05-29, 19:50

Well, it was a pretty good episode. I thought it had a usual mix of both shoddy chara work and fine animation. As has become the norm with these recent episodes, much of the attention is paid toward animating swordplay (which was exceptionally well-executed for a filler episode) and backgrounds, while characters were only a secondary concern.

This was seen, for example, when Helen was making her usual jokes at Clare's expense while her face was painfully static. The seiyuu was so good, yet the animation just couldn't keep up with the appropriate facial expressions. But, this is a general problem for the show, so I already got used to it.

As for the new seiyuus, I thought they did a good job. Miria is very commanding and authoritative. Deneve is calm, but forceful. Helen is snarky and cheerful.

I never really cared for Deneve's character (she basically has no personality whatsoever), but I always loved Helen. I though she was really well done in this episode, exactly as I has foreseen her character. She is my favorite Claymore apart from the one that is a spoiler for now, so I am quite happy about that part.

One thing that stuck me, by the way, is that Helen referred to Raki as Clare's boytoy. Which rather suggests that claymores, for all of their demonic nature, do keep sexual relationships. But I am still puzzled about an episode in one of the previous installments where Teresa undresses herself and the bandits' face show revulsion and disgust. That part was never adequately explained. What's so terrible about their bodies? They don't seem to be terribly disfigured, from what we've seen.

the_firefly

2007-05-29, 19:52

I'm so glad they didn't skip over the part with Clare at the beginning. With the way it ended last week, I wasn't sure if that would be covered.

With the new voices, I was especially happy with Helen and Deneve. Both were spot on and I loved the playful undertones in Helen's voice. Miria took a bit of getting used to. I always thought of her as having a softer sounding voice. But all three were excellent choices in the end.

And Clare knocking Raki in the head never fails to amuse me.

SapientiSat

2007-05-29, 20:11

NoSanninWa

2007-05-29, 20:14

But I am still puzzled about an episode in one of the previous installments where Teresa undresses herself and the bandits' face show revulsion and disgust. That part was never adequately explained. What's so terrible about their bodies? They don't seem to be terribly disfigured, from what we've seen.

All we know about it so far is what Clare said to Theresa, "Doesn't it hurt?" Their torso looks like it must be a source of pain. Maybe their stomach/breasts are a tortured knot of scars and mismatched flesh.

MrProphet

2007-05-29, 20:40

All we know about it so far is what Clare said to Theresa, "Doesn't it hurt?" Their torso looks like it must be a source of pain. Maybe their stomach/breasts are a tortured knot of scars and mismatched flesh.

This is a bit off-topic as far as this episode goes, but I think Clare was speaking figuratively. After all, she did not see Teresa's body under her clothes in that scene, so I don't think you are correct.

Speaking of clothes, what exactly are Claymores wearing? Seems like most of them only have vambraces, spaulders and some ultralight version of a cuirass or a hauberk.

Which is rather silly. Why wear those massive spaulders, if your chest isn't protected by some plate armour? I mean, either you need maneuverability or you need protection. It doesn't seem reasonable to go half-way and achieve neither. Of course, we could discount it due to mangaka's aesthetic principles, but I do find it silly that supposedly monstrously strong warriors who swing around huge two-handers would be so sparsely protected.

the_firefly

2007-05-29, 20:41

One thing that stuck me, by the way, is that Helen referred to Raki as Clare's boytoy.

I always saw that scene as Helen just trying to get under Clare's skin. Because that's just how Helen is.

MrProphet

2007-05-29, 20:47

I always saw that scene as Helen just trying to get under Clare's skin. Because that's just how Helen is.

Yes, of course she is trying to do that. I was talking about the fact that claymores in general may have lovers whom they tug around. Which would suggest things about them.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-29, 20:53

This is a bit off-topic as far as this episode goes, but I think Clare was speaking figuratively. After all, she did not see Teresa's body under her clothes in that scene, so I don't think you are correct.
Of course she could see Theresa's body. The bandit had already torn open her shirt. It was hanging in tatters.

Kouvley

2007-05-29, 20:57

wrex_japan

2007-05-29, 21:04

So the new cast of claymores are introduced in this ep, let's hope they last a bit longer than the last batch eh?:p

Actually I've noticed Irene features quite prominently in the OP, so maybe she isn't dead yet?

It sure seemed like Irene was dead... but I don't know since I haven't read the manga past this episode.

Anyway, Ep. 9 Screencaps and summary. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=526)

I gave this an "8" also... only because it's the beginning of the arc. Ep. 10 looks promising.

Tempest35

2007-05-29, 21:37

Of course she could see Theresa's body. The bandit had already torn open her shirt. It was hanging in tatters.

Hey, should we make a speculation thread about this topic? I mean, it keeps coming up over and over...:heh:

And I think that whatever mark a Claymore has on her body, it's specific to that particular Claymore. Clare has a nasty scar on her stomach from the Youma at the end of Ep2 but I don't think that all the Claymores have something on their stomach. Some might have something on their back or on their legs or something.

And this ep can be summed up in two words for me: Fab Four. :D

MrProphet

2007-05-29, 21:47

Of course she could see Theresa's body. The bandit had already torn open her shirt. It was hanging in tatters.

No, you are wrong here.

Clare said that she thought Teresa was in pain when she saw Teresa on the street in that town. Which is why Clare hugged Teresa and tugged along with her. She did not see her body then.

By the way, I found it cute that they are differentiating between oh-so-special Single Digits (like Miria or Teresa or Irene) from lowly Double Digits by saying the Single Digits' number in gairaigo. It must be awfully special for Teresa to be NAMBAA WAN, when someone like Helen is just a plain Japanese Ni Jyu Ni. 8)

dutchman

2007-05-29, 21:53

Stupidity made me mention the scene where Clare was carying Teresa's head around and offering herself to the Organisation already in the eps8 thread because I thought they left it out.

But now it makes sense this scene was way more effective in the way it was currently executed. And it helped to remind/sustain the feelings most anime-only viewers would have had from last ep.
In regard to the VA's:
Miria : not a bad choice however somehow I expected her voice to sound a bit younger. I got however used to her fast.

Helen : spot on. Exactly how I would expect a passionate character like her to sound she is one of my favourites.

Deneve : also spot on. Not much else to say about her really.

This episode had of course it share of beatifull drawn backgrounds, the city, the woods. And later the mountains Madhouse managed to deliver the goods once again.

Also the fight sequence between Miria and Clare was fully animated and shows that the director knows that action next to the unfolding story is an important part of this show.

I wouldn't be suprised to discover that the director possible is or a big fan of the manga artist or consults him very closely. Cause he seems to know exactly what works in the manga. And translate it very much intact and in some cases with improvements to the anime version. Much kudos to him.

I can't hardly wait for eps 10!! LOL its been a while that an anime series has me this hyped up:heh:

BTW to people who consider this a filler episode I have to disagree this is absolute not a filler since its absolute essential for the future story. Its absolutely not just an random event which happens a lot in other shounen series

NoSanninWa

2007-05-30, 03:45

How is this a filler episode? I haven't watched the episode yet since I'm waiting for the sub, but from what people are saying it is the same as the manga.

SimplyEd

2007-05-30, 04:11

It just seems like a filler to people. It really isn't.

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 04:17

Oh this isn`t a filler. This episode is essencial for knowing why Claymores keep little pets around. :innocent:

BAD TERESA!! BAD I SAID!!:heh: "wackes her with a newspaper" :heh:

SimplyEd

2007-05-30, 04:22

Oh this isn`t a filler. This episode is essencial for knowing why Claymores keep little pets around. :innocent:

BAD TERESA!! BAD I SAID!!:heh: "wackes her with a newspaper" :heh:

*slaps Defiled one* Nobody wacks Teresa on my post! :mad:

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 04:27

But, But....;_; She was...I mean With Clare. She`s a fiend ;_;

SimplyEd

2007-05-30, 04:48

But, But....;_; She was...I mean With Clare. She`s a fiend ;_;

There,there..*pat* Everythings goin' to be alright. :)

Back to the episode: Well, i guess we'll shortly see a flood of Helen&Deneve fans swarming this place...... i'm one too tehe. :D

Plus, as always, the seiyuu are are just above and beyond of delivering a perfect work. Hats off to their wonderful performances!

I voted for very good, because that's the most fitting term that came to mind here. The episode wasn't as perfect as the "Marked for Death" ones and only sligthly below excellence. I would have given it the "excellent" vote of confidence for the work of the seiyuus alone, but i sadly have to judge on a broader picture..

Deathkillz

2007-05-30, 05:38

who says that this is a filler ep needs a whack...

most definatly not as it sets the scene perfectly for another dramatic battle...and it seems to me that the claymores have diluted in power with each later generation :rolleyes:
being ranked 6 and getting injured like that...sheeesh :rolleyes:

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 06:31

Okay...Seems everybody is waiting for the subbing to give their final opinion.

Voice acting was good, and the style continues to be good. At least the quality didn`t decreasse.

HinaThePrince

2007-05-30, 11:03

The seiyuus are great. Helen's took a little bit of time, but she still grew on me pretty quickly. Sadly, that was pretty much the only thing I liked about this episode. The art and animation are quite bad. Teresa in Clare's dream looked clumsy and retarded [and what was up with the background music? It made it look like she was dancing waltz or something]. I've already said it before - one of the things I like best about the manga's art is the facial expressions and how well they through the emotions of the characters through. In the anime, everyone constantly looks like they're angry. And their eyes and noses are ugly, too.

Also, it's killing me how the anime does everything possible to make Raki unlikable. They turned him from an adorable and determined kid to a whiny loser who has very little spine and very little intelligence. Comparing the part where Clare gives him money before leaving shows it most clearly. Poor kid.

The episode wasn't very interesting since it's the beginning of an arc [which I don't like all that much, anyway], so... all in all, a 7 would be fitting, I guess.

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 11:15

dutchman

2007-05-30, 12:08

It´s the real world. Raki in the eyes of other Claymores, is nothing more than a love toy for Clare. He is, literaly, the woman.

Afterall, Claymores are known to have..."Little travellers" with them. Right Teresa? :heh:

Raki is an utter disgrace with his intolerable behaviour. He should have more pride as an man.

Where can I volunteer myself as toy? :p

Tempest35

2007-05-30, 12:30

I surmise that a 14 year old doesn't know much about being a man (no matter what anime says), espcially since his relatives all died by youma. ^^;

Sign me up too! I'll be just fine underneath Miria :D...or Helen :D...or Devene :D...Noel too but she's dead :(

IMSabbel

2007-05-30, 12:49

Subs out.

And you have to consider: This is anime. People expect 14 year olds to at least be able to pilot a mecha, have a fininshed education as a hyperspace navigator and black belts in at least 3 different fighting disciples. Characters behaving real arent liked because everybody else behaves like a sociopath (best example gundam seed).

toxic_trance

2007-05-30, 12:57

Hmm..I simply couldnt wait and saw the RAW. I guess reading the manga can help u in a way. The subbed version is just out,i thought i would write comments after watching the sub..but i decided against it.

I rated this episodes a 9. Many may think that this is high, but since i knew that this episode would be mainly introduction episode, it is remarkable how the makers of this series still managed to make a simple episode so well that it did not bore me for a second, even though i already know the manga.

Plus..I m very impressed with the Voice artists selection. Since the new characters are important, i m glad that the seiyuu selection has been made well. Next episode is gonna be another action packed episode. Lots of blood, blood and blood.

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 12:58

For his age, he is the most mature boy I have ever seen. Maybe his lack of the "FACTS OF LIFE" make him too much innocent. Not that Helen or Clare has anything against it.
Besides, we must remember that Claymores are partial humans and above all, women. And women have needs, just as anybody else. :eyebrow:

Raki has to realize that people, especialy other Claymores have dark intentions. He has to defend himself and not seek Clare too much. :uhoh: That is what Clare is trying to make Raki understand, if he keeps tagging along, he will lose his freedom.
I hope Raki realizes the "Facts of life" soon enough before something bad happens to the kid. :uhoh:

khryoleoz

2007-05-30, 13:44

Yes, of course she is trying to do that. I was talking about the fact that claymores in general may have lovers whom they tug around. Which would suggest things about them.

Well, it's possible but we haven't seen any Claymores behaving in that manner so far. But we know that Claymores retain the memories of their human lives, and they can observe human life around them so she may simply be basing her taunt upon such observation or recollection.

SimplyEd

2007-05-30, 14:23

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 14:30

What abour Rubel? He needs love too...Who volunters?!

Have you realized that he did not age, at all, during the time skip?

Either Clare aged faster due to her Claymore training or he be a ZOMBIE!!

HinaThePrince

2007-05-30, 14:41

What abour Rubel? He needs love too...Who volunters?!

He's adorable, indeed. I'll take him! And Ilene, and Helen, and Deneve... hmm.

Either Clare aged faster due to her Claymore training or he be a ZOMBIE!!

I'm betting more like a half-Youma himself.

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 14:50

To tell you the truth, I have no idea what he is.

LCeh

2007-05-30, 14:53

Couple things I especially noted as I watched the episode:

First part of the episode was wonderfully paced. It was the duller section of the episode, since it was more about their mission and giving out background information about the Claymore world, but Madhouse did a great job of keeping things quick paced and to the point. That's how you make an exciting episode.

Second thing I took note was the animation between the Miria and Clare swordfight. Like many have said, probably the best animated fight up to date. The quick paced movements and the sound effects really made them seem strong.

LilleNisse

2007-05-30, 14:55

What abour Rubel? He needs love too...Who volunters?!

Have you realized that he did not age, at all, during the time skip?

Either Clare aged faster due to her Claymore training or he be a ZOMBIE!!

Lover for Rubel ey... :innocent:

And for the age thing, all I can say is, the right makeup and skincare products so make wonders right Rubel? :heh:

Ok seriously now.
I havent read the manga nor am I planing to so I dont know whats true about Rubel and not. Or anything ells for that matter, these are all asumptions and thoughts of the episode. But im guesing there is more to him then we yet know in the anime. Which shod explain why he still looks the same. I think there is somthing with him. Since in this episode, we have a male awakened being. And I still havent fully grasped the whole "how you become a yuoma" so im guesing even males sortof are able to "awaken".

I just loved the whole new set of Claymores that got introduced. Sure hope they do stick around longer then those we have enconterd :rolleyes:.
Im so looking forward to episode 10. Im hoping to see more of Clare in action. And I do think she will show abit more "power" then they think number 47 would have :heh:

As for the episode. Gave it a 9. Got to know abit more about the whole numbers ranking system the "claymores" have. And the fighting scene, I almost started to shake of excitment from seeing that. The animations were just... magnificent.

This show is just pulling me in more and more :heh:

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 15:05

Helen still continues to be my "Raki fiend" Don´t trust her ways, she looks mischevious.

Parents! Lock up your sons and daughters cause Helen, is in town!! :heh:

Kinematics

2007-05-30, 15:07

Very glad they got the bit with Clare approaching the collector in here, and it worked very well as the intro. Only thing that felt 'wrong' there was the sudden transition to the isolated rocky hill. What reason was there to not have Clare make her speech right in the middle of town?

Loved the sword fight. Definitely showed a difference in scale between Clare's usual fights and the superhuman fights with Teresa. Miria seemed to keep blurring as she moved around, showing that she was moving significantly faster than Clare, who usually fights at something closer to normal human speed (ie: we can actually 'see' her move). At the same time they're not moving fast enough to have to use static images or massive overlayed 'echo' images the way the Claymore 'gods' who were fighting last episode did.

Cringe-worthy music: the intro to Clare's dream. While I don't mind the more classical feel to the background music during the dream, the intro felt like the battle music for a cheesy video game. I'll also agree with Hina somewhat, in that the movements of Teresa in the dream didn't quite seem as graceful as they should have. Of course that could be explained as being Clare's imagining of Teresa's movements not matching up with Teresa's true skill, but limited to Clare's own actual skill.

I have no problem with how Raki behaved, other than the slight lagging behind at the start which seemed to only be so they could add a few extra seconds to the runtime. He now understands Clare's strength relative to the other Claymores, and he was already worried about her being too impetuous in trying to fight one, so it's a significant worry for him.

The scene with the money was a simple attempt to try to make sure Clare had a reason to come back to get him. Clare knows that such incentives are meaningless; she has every intention of coming back, and barring any unfortunate circumstances (dead, captured, pinned under a boulder, fell into the river and lost her memory, her head chopped off and used as a tour bus guide, etc; you know, the usual stuff) she will be coming back. A little attempt to knock some sense into him, and grow up and trust her.

Voice work was excellent, though I thought Clare herself actually felt a little bit off. Could be because it's been several episodes since I've heard her. Backgrounds were beautiful, as usual, and I think they've reached a new high with the river valley scenes.

Tempest35

2007-05-30, 15:17

Hehe :p

Underneath Noel would be like... 7 feet under?^^

@ SimplyED ...True, oh so true. Noel does have very strong legs...:cool:...room must be on ground level.

I can see it now, a mob running from Helen and a mob running to Helen. :heh: And it's not like she's Helen of Troy either.
I'm putting odds 2-to-1 that Helen 'gets' Raki before Clare does. *evil laugh*

It's sad that I caught this anime right when it came out for now I must suffer (along with the good folks who frequent this forum) for yet another week for more of our girls.

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 15:20

IOL I just realized something!

In 19:52. After Clare gets beaten and awakes from her slumber, she`s follows them from behind while "smiling" ?

Does it look like she is smiling? If so.. Why? -_-

cors8

2007-05-30, 15:39

I'm glad they kept the opening scene. I'm not so happy that they left out an important line, in my opinion, for that scene.

Have to say Helen, Deneve, and Miria were well portrayed and the sparring scene was nicely done.

Raki is rather annoying though, much more so than in the manga... Must be the voice.

Looking forward to next week's episode.

Adam E

2007-05-30, 16:05

I gave it a 9/10 since I thought it was quite good for a transition episode. Animation, backgrounds, voice-acting, music, and pacing were all well above average, in my opinion; I thought it was only lacking the emotional punch of the last few episodes. I think some people may have given it a lower rating more because it's on the heels of the best episode of Claymore, so far, instead of any major flaws in the episode.

I still don't get why some people find Raki so annoying. As for the music playing during the dream sequence, that seems to be Teresa's theme, so I think it will probably play during most scenes involving her.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-30, 16:45

Since in this episode, we have a male awakened being. And I still havent fully grasped the whole "how you become a yuoma" so im guesing even males sortof are able to "awaken".
It seems you are missing something important if this puzzles you. Claymores are all women. We have been told that Awakened Ones are former Claymores. That's why it might be surprising for a male to "awaken".

Very glad they got the bit with Clare approaching the collector in here, and it worked very well as the intro. Only thing that felt 'wrong' there was the sudden transition to the isolated rocky hill. What reason was there to not have Clare make her speech right in the middle of town?We got another awesome vista and you need an excuse for it?

IMSabbel

2007-05-30, 16:52

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 16:56

Right....:rolleyes:

Anyways Clare was pissed as hell when Hellen said she was quiet because Raki wasn´t there to warm her body :heh:

ImClueless

2007-05-30, 17:03

killer3000ad

2007-05-30, 17:16

Waaaa Clare is the weakest of them all? Is this where the cliched shounen elements start poping up where Clare is now gonna discover untapped potential within herself and start delivering the smack down?

I'd prefer that than having her being overpowered from the beginning ala Fist of the North Star.

Mandrake

2007-05-30, 17:20

Maybe because she dreamed fo theresa in action (i.e. not her dead, but how graceful she was alive)?

That was definatly a smile, no shadows playing tricks. And probably yes, her dreaming of Teresa changed her mood for the better :D

Defiled one

2007-05-30, 17:22

Waaaa Clare is the weakest of them all? Is this where the cliched shounen elements start poping up where Clare is now gonna discover untapped potential within herself and start delivering the smack down?

:heh: No...This is the time Clare gets targeted by a lot of powerfull Claymores because they like her smell :heh:

If you can`t win, conquer their hearts.:rolleyes:

Jerseykid

2007-05-30, 17:48

Woo the plot is back on track.

SimplyEd

2007-05-30, 17:55

Woo the plot is back on track.

???
You mean....after 9 episodes of plot? Each and everything we have seen so far has a relevance to the story. There's nothing that could have been omitted, lest the whole picture would have suffered from it.

Wosho128

2007-05-30, 17:57

IOL I just realized something!

In 19:52. After Clare gets beaten and awakes from her slumber, she`s follows them from behind while "smiling" ?

Does it look like she is smiling? If so.. Why? -_-

I thought she was smiling because it pains the other Claymores that she actually followed them despite their taunting. Deneve and Helen told her not to follow as they thought she was a waste of space and time. That's why they leave her on the ground; they don't want her to follow.

I thought she smiled out of pure spite to let them know that she was not giving up. But heck, that's just my pure speculation.

MrProphet

2007-05-30, 18:04

???
You mean....after 9 episodes of plot? Each and everything we have seen so far has a relevance to the story. There's nothing that could have been omitted, lest the whole picture would have suffered from it.

While in the general sense the flashback with Teresa was suitable and necessary, I still think that the execution of the transition to the flashback was very badly done.

When Clare's little arc in Rabona ended, there has been absolutely no necessity to Teresa's arc. It was too sudden and had absolutely no buildup. The pacing just felt clumsy.

Only in retrospect can one appreaciate the importance of the flashback. But when you are just watching the story as it unfolded, the lack of a suitable lead in to Teresa's story was a bad decision on the part of the author.

LilleNisse

2007-05-30, 18:10

It seems you are missing something important if this puzzles you. Claymores are all women. We have been told that Awakened Ones are former Claymores. That's why it might be surprising for a male to "awaken".

Exactly my point. Claymores are all women. I just made it sound weird I guese. Since it's a male "awaken" I figure it's got to be more to this. Or is it like a yuoma can awaken to a higher state? :twitch:
Since as I get it, only claymores can awaken. And they are all females...
Im I make my point clearer now? :heh:

Kinematics

2007-05-30, 18:22

Since as I get it, only claymores can awaken. And they are all females...

Actually, interesting side point that I'm not entirely sure of. Remember the youma in episode 1 that was impersonating a Claymore? Well, obviously it was impersonating a female, yet Clare referred to it as 'him'. Not sure if that's due to translation of a gender-neutral reference, but it seemed odd that even a youma that had a female appearance was considered male.

Rhyel

2007-05-30, 18:32

I think about it...

Normal men become a Youma.

Warrior Men (or other important) maybe become a Awakened.

A like the sleep lessons of Teresa.

PS: Sorry my English.

Tom Bombadil

2007-05-30, 18:39

Overall pretty good. But around 19:50 Clare looks pretty weired. Either it is the movement of the head or the eyes. And as some one mentioned before, in the ensuing conversation between Maria and Helen, both wore completely blank faces. On the upside, the scenery in the end is gorgeous.

MrProphet

2007-05-30, 18:44

Normal men become a Youma.

No, you've misunderstood a very central idea of Claymore.

Yoma are not men who have turned into demons! Yoma are a completely different species that can masquerade as humans.

Awekened beings are yoma-human hybrids who had succumbed to their demonic side and released its powers. For some reason, inclusion of human flesh makes their powers exponentially higher than that of pure yoma. Why that is the fact is unknown.

SimplyEd

2007-05-30, 18:48

While in the general sense the flashback with Teresa was suitable and necessary, I still think that the execution of the transition to the flashback was very badly done.

When Clare's little arc in Rabona ended, there has been absolutely no necessity to Teresa's arc. It was too sudden and had absolutely no buildup. The pacing just felt clumsy.

Only in retrospect can one appreaciate the importance of the flashback. But when you are just watching the story as it unfolded, the lack of a suitable lead in to Teresa's story was a bad decision on the part of the author.

Not on the part of the author, no. The anime adaption already shortened several things that were present in the manga. There is some sort of a controversy going on, wether those omitted parts were really that important to the plot.
My viewpoint being, yes. Everything depicted in the manga served a purpose. There is no "filler" in showing us aspects of the world created by the original author.

I wasn't commenting on execution though. Just because it felt weird how some incidents were presented in the anime, that doesn't mean that they hold no relevance to the plot. That they were a mere sidenote.

MrProphet

2007-05-30, 18:53

I don't know. I've read the manga and my opinion is not changed.

This is obviously not a discussion for this thread, but let me just say that the pace of the narrative in either version (manga and anime) seems flawed to me in this particular arc.

Rhyel

2007-05-30, 19:09

No, you've misunderstood a very central idea of Claymore.

Yoma are not men who have turned into demons! Yoma are a completely different species that can masquerade as humans.

Awekened beings are yoma-human hybrids who had succumbed to their demonic side and released its powers. For some reason, inclusion of human flesh makes their powers exponentially higher than that of pure yoma. Why that is the fact is unknown.

:confused: I need to study more about Claymore... Thanks :D

Wandering_Youth

2007-05-30, 19:12

Interesting anime this is so far.

It was sad to see Teresa get her head pop off due to that dang Priscilla's little feign. That was foul play!

Whoa. Clare's number 47? No way! Hehe, it just me or anything thinking of the game Hitman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_47) right now? :p

Anime Online

2007-05-30, 19:44

When I realized that Clare is the lowest ranked Claymore, I was stunned and two thoughts came swiftly to my mind.

(a) She's the weakest? How can this be?
(b) And if she's the weakest, how much stronger would those other Claymores be?

Upon further thought, I thought being the lowest ranked doesn't automatically mean Clare's the weakest. Then again, I'm not certain how their ranking system works, but from the Teresa arc, it seems to be a measure of a Claymore's power.

But wait, doesn't this mean Elena in the Black Card incident is higher ranked than Clare?

Anyhow, so we get Miria testing Clare in search of potential, which leaves Clare disarmed and exhausted. Then we have Miria injured when the Awakened Being showed himself. At that point, I'm like "Uh oh, maybe what that guy in black told Clare about being torn into pieces would be true afterall"

And about Clare smiling when she was following behind. Was she really smiling? Perhaps she's thinking, "Ha! Look down on me, will ya? Just you wait, I'll be the one saving your ass later!"

I wonder what Episode#10 would bring.

(a) Would Clare's hidden potential be revealed in the face of an overwhelmingly powerful enemy (standard anime/manga cliche)?
(b) Or would Clare save the day by using some kind of underhanded stab-to-the-back-like-what-Priscilla-did tactic?
(c) Or would Clare get torn to bits, have Raki come retrieve her corpse and then run to the guy in black (deja vu!)?

Anh_Minh

2007-05-30, 19:59

But wait, doesn't this mean Elena in the Black Card incident is higher ranked than Clare?

Yes, but it's not like they really fought. She just had Clare kill her.

bkg9990

2007-05-30, 20:27

Hmm, seems like the the series is catching up to the manga pretty fast...

Archmagination2002

2007-05-30, 20:46

Not really.. the anime is slowing down now that it is getting into the more important points.

cors8

2007-05-30, 21:14

Not really.. the anime is slowing down now that it is getting into the more important points.

There's nothing more important than Teresa and chibi-Clare. NOTHING!

Pacing seems similar to manga, though it kind of depends on the next episode. Hard to tell from one eps of a new arc.

Guido

2007-05-30, 21:41

Right now I have already seen the episode, and I am starting to understand the manga readers' feelings for Miria, Deneve, and Helen.

They turned out what most you expected an waited for. They are about to start kicking butt, hoping for next episode, and are so freaking cool.

BTW, Helen possess quite a sharp tongue. I would take that for her abilities and skills would be something that I've never seen before and would just keep getting better and better from episode to episode.

The flashback used during the intro for the episode was quite a moving and poignant conclusion to the Teresa arc, in my humble opinion.

What I am confused about is how Clare immediately identified the man (Rubel) as one of the many guys who work for the organization?

The only plausible explanation is that Teresa told her that a Claymore's promotors all are dressed in black, and that's why she identified him on the spot.

But to me that they showed Clare walking through town with Teresa's head on her arms at the sight of the shocked onlookers, opened again the wound which the latter's death inflicted upon on the previous episode.

They threw plenty of good and important stuff about the power levels and ranking system.

From the warning note of Rubel to Clare that she's got no freaking chance in any million years against Priscilla, because the strongest amongst the Awakened Ones, and while Clare is the weakest of the hybrids throughout the entire continent, this only points to one thing for certain: leveling up experience, skills, judgement, and power through fighting stronger to stronger on each mission.

That's how the fighting shounen genre goes.

It would be a long way for Clare to claim Priscilla's head as her retribution, but Miria quite gave a hint when she first saw Clare that she had thought the strongest stood among them.
That statement I am taking as a foreshadowing that Clare will one day far away exceed those on the highest rankings.

People seriously I cannot understand why are you so either destructively or straightforwardly about Laki. I already have much of that with all the criticism on Sergey in the My-Otome thread.

Most of you should thank that this episode casted enough screentime to Helen, Deneve, and Miria, though I suspected that many of you out there would had wanted to see them in action in this episode.

I rooted for Clare's reaction regarding Helens' comments about Laki being Clare's love toy. I think that Teresa would had reacted on a similar note, though not that recklessly or sunburned, if they had said a similar thing to Clare.

I think I just enjoyed as well the two Clare and Laki moments. My favorite one was when Clare lightly punched Laki on the forehead as a manner of sisterly affection to reassure him that she'll be okay on her mission.

The first one when Clare watched him over sleeping with a gentle smile. I'm also fond of that moment deeply because the child Clare never disappeared when she turned into a hybrid. That child Clare remains underneath the hybrid Clare, and she started to overflow in both affection and care because Clare is starting to understand she's not alone.
I can only hope that Laki would eventually be able to understand Clare on the same note, as child Clare was able to understand Teresa.

Tempest35

2007-05-30, 22:00

Ah ha, someone who went through the Sergay controversies in My Otome - I salute you. The hate spreads quickly doesn't it. XD

Punching him dead in the forehead (playfully) wasn't something I'd expect from Clare, but then again, I didn't expect Teresa to teasingly call Clare a 'crybaby' when she first escaped execution in the flashback arc. :D

These two are a family and let's face it - if Clare hears you talking bad abour Raki, you'll be on the non-negotiable end of her claymore. :D

NoSanninWa

2007-05-30, 22:10

Punching him dead in the forehead (playfully) wasn't something I'd expect from Clare, but then again, I didn't expect Teresa to teasingly call Clare a 'crybaby' when she first escaped execution in the flashback arc. :D

I'd have to agree. Before Rabona it would have been impossible. She's finally started to relax around him. Those two are really becoming more like family.

PastPrime

2007-05-30, 23:20

Exactly my point. Claymores are all women. I just made it sound weird I guese. Since it's a male "awaken" I figure it's got to be more to this. Or is it like a yuoma can awaken to a higher state? :twitch:
Since as I get it, only claymores can awaken. And they are all females...
Im I make my point clearer now? :heh:

Just because the Claymore are all women doesn't mean that they never tried to make male Claymore. There has to be a reason that they are all female. Perhaps he was what resulted when they tried to make a male Claymore. Or, a Claymore could have become pregnant and had a male child who carried enough of her demon blood that he eventually became an awakened one.

GriS

2007-05-30, 23:27

i still can't get over with flashback arc :( Theresaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Are they going on intended suicide mission? Mirie was told they're facing average Vicarious Eater yet they are actually facing the stronger one. But it wouldn't make sense since suicide mission is for those who are about to lose control of themselves, if I remember well from early episodes.

But I can foretell Clare is going to turn from inferior, lowest ranked claymore into a hero that saves the whole party > < since it alway happen like this in other shows.

Anime Online

2007-05-30, 23:53

Well, seeing there are only 47 Claymores and each representing a heavy investment in training, I doubt the organization has the luxury of sending them on suicidal missions. But this is an anime and it is not uncommon for organizations to send every last member until the boss is the only one left in animes.

I'd say the information was wrong because Voracious Eaters are so rare that it's difficult to assess on a scale how powerful each one is based on information from the people who requested help from the organization. Even #6 Miria only had experience hunting 7 of them.

Kayin

2007-05-31, 00:47

Well the next episode should give us a good idea on just how well Clare has inherited Teresa's power. If Helen knew how Clare became a Claymore she'd probably be a bit shocked. Teresa is a freakin' legend after all.

There was one moment that it seemed Miria sensed something in Clare, but right now she doesn't fully understand what it is (and Clare probably needs to wake up something to realize her potential also). This arc is obviously about Clare getting the power nessessary to defeat Pricilla, so I fully expect her to put Helen in her place in the next few episodes (if she lives that long).

IMSabbel

2007-05-31, 01:01

Btw: To those astonished that clare is the weakest one:
Dont be. Just compare her performance in the first episodes: She couldnt kill the yoma that posed to be her without suffering injury, and nearly died against a single yoma in the cathedral (she nearly pushed past her limits, and we now know what happens if claymores do that).

Just compare this to what we have seen from high-level claymores. They are worlds apart. Theresa (or even Noel) would have killed those two before they made a single motion..

Of course there will be "getting stronger", as being the weakest would be very bad for the life expectancy. But this doesnt speak against the rating.

The rating shows how strong a claimore IS, and not how strong she COULD BE. (look back at episode 7, were they show how the current ranking and the way it chagnes is a point of discussion).

Also, note, that _general_ strenght doesnt equal same strenght against each opponent... Tactics and challanges differ.

astrallionheart

2007-05-31, 01:15

This is truely interesting given the fact that the episode does indeed allude to residual powers that Clare may have gained from Teresa.

While I have no idea whether Teresa was also capable of this, but given Clare's fight against the faux Voracious Eater, I'm inclined to believe she will eventually surpass Teresa in terms of effective combat power--considering Clare went over 80% Youma and reversed the "irreversible transformation" due to her attachment to Raki.

t3ck

2007-05-31, 01:31

Beautiful fighting scene between Miria and Claire. Good episode. Love how Deneve and Helen mock Claire. Hope next episode will wrap up the fight instead of leaving a cliff hanger and make us wait for the next episode.

Azure King

2007-05-31, 02:11

This series just keep on getting better and better, one thing that had me shock was claire ranking... i though claire would have had a high ranking then that.. can't wait until next episode !!

dgaaz

2007-05-31, 02:28

It was abit shocking finding out Clare to be the weakest Claymore...I thought she be at least be 20+...

TinyRedLeaf

2007-05-31, 03:08

There was one moment that it seemed Miria sensed something in Clare, but right now she doesn't fully understand what it is (and Clare probably needs to wake up something to realize her potential also). This arc is obviously about Clare getting the power nessessary to defeat Pricilla, so I fully expect her to put Helen in her place in the next few episodes (if she lives that long).

The way I read it, I think Miria sensed an echo of Teresa's power in Clare, which implies that Clare has the potential to be a lot more powerful than she currently is.

Also, it's killing me how the anime does everything possible to make Raki unlikable. They turned him from an adorable and determined kid to a whiny loser who has very little spine and very little intelligence. Comparing the part where Clare gives him money before leaving shows it most clearly. Poor kid.

I agree. The problem lies in the facial expressions, which the anime butchers, in my opinion.

For example, all that discussion above about Clare having a faint smile after her dream? Personally, I felt that was a result of shoddy drawing, rather than intentional.

And yes, the sparring scene between Miria and Clare. Now that's what I call action. Not blurry, "omg-look-at-me-I'm-so-fast", special effects. :D

D a m i e n

2007-05-31, 03:44

am i the only one happy the flashback is over even though they were informative. 3 episode of flash back was too much imo (2episode would have been enought).
episode was nice, i disliked first book when it was released because it was extremly conventionnal, glad i overcame it and start to appreciate the serie.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-31, 03:49

IMSabbel

2007-05-31, 03:59

Hah, i would like his reaction to berserk... 25 episodes of flashback :)
But otoh, people here dont even seem to know who or what berserk is...

Fenrir_valindri

2007-05-31, 03:59

Woot Miria <3
I am glad they managed to stick in the wrap-up for Teresa's arc at the beginning of this episode would have been a crime to leave it out. As for Clare identifying Rubel, its pretty easy to note a man dressed in all black among those villagers, and not to mention every single Claymore mentions the "man-in-black" when villagers attempt to pay them.

I was quite happy with the animation during the Miria vs Clare fight, more along the lines of fighting I prefer. Alot of the facial features were kinda botched in this episode though >.< poor Helen, they did not do her facial expressions justice, although all the voice actresses are quite to my liking.

I hope that the animation improves as far as that is concerned swiftly, I get the feeling the animation team is trying to get used to the new Claymores as well as Clare again.

The anime does not seem to do Raki much justice sadly, hopefully they try to improve his image at some point, he is sorely lacking compared to Manga-Raki :mad:

The Male Awakened-Being seems quite well animated, I hope they do all the wonderful Awakened beings justice in the anime :D

Overall gave the episode an 8, the shoddy animation made me cringe when considering the Facial expressions.

P.S.
Anyone notice that the RAWS are alot better as far as lighting is concerned, but when they get subbed everything seems to get darker, making the dark scenes pitch-black?
Kinda pains me to see the difference, makes some scenes almost unbearable.:uhoh:

dutchman

2007-05-31, 04:35

P.S.
Anyone notice that the RAWS are alot better as far as lighting is concerned, but when they get subbed everything seems to get darker, making the dark scenes pitch-black?
Kinda pains me to see the difference, makes some scenes almost unbearable.:uhoh:

Yeah I did notice this also but I initially thought maybe I was tired after a long day of browsing the forums during worktime;) I also downloaded the H264 (sp?) version but it had the same pitch-black lighting.

Child_of_Sierra

2007-05-31, 04:47

Episode comments ^_^
The handling of fight animation has been one of my biggest gripes about the anime (next to bgm and an uncanny way most fights end up in dark places, sunrise, sunset, night, etc. ) so my hopes went up for the series when I saw how well the duel between Clare and Miria went.

About Clare smiling behind them:

it could be a badly drawn face but I prefer to think that she was only showing an unconscious emotion of joy thinking that she finally gets to face an Awakened being. No amount of bullying would prevent her from coming along. (the battle earlier hinted she actually wanted to meet one)

About Rubel:

He seems bald... maybe he was in his early 20's when Clare met him and so only a decade or two have passed since then so it would be natural for him to look the same. Of course being a member of a shady organization while wearing black sunglasses even at night might make people suspicious of his nature.

Sorrow-K

2007-05-31, 05:00

Hah, i would like his reaction to berserk... 25 episodes of flashback :)
But otoh, people here dont even seem to know who or what berserk is...Don't forget Gungrave's 17 episodes of flashback, or Millennium Actress's 2 or so hours worth of flashback. If Berserk and those series are any worthwhile indicators, then massive amounts of flashback equate to massive amounts of win. And, c'mon, everyone's heard of Berserk. No self-respecting anime fan could look themselves in the mirror without having seen Berserk.

On topic: ZOMG cliffhanger! Not really much to comment on in this ep. End of flashback arc, and a couple of tidbits of information regarding the world (eg, Clare is the weakest). Fair ep, but little more than another chapter in a much larger story.

Slice of Life

2007-05-31, 05:09

It seems you are missing something important if this puzzles you. Claymores are all women. We have been told that Awakened Ones are former Claymores. That's why it might be surprising for a male to "awaken".

Well, they tried to make men Claymores, right? So this is probably the result.

The way I read it, I think Miria sensed an echo of Teresa's power in Clare, which implies that Clare has the potential to be a lot more powerful than she currently is.

I don't think it works that way, I see becoming Claymore more like an infection. So it doesn't matter really matter which way you get the "youma-ness" that makes you a Claymore.

Still, I'm quite sure that there is also some Teresa in Clare and I'm willing to bet 1000 Quatloos that we will see her (not the youma) "awaken" in Clare in the next episode. The organization probably knew exactly what they were doing when they sent Clare against that youma.

Concerning Clare being the weakest Claymore. How do they know anyway? Is there a jury following the Claymores around giving A and B notes after every kill like in ice skating? I somehow can't see Clare traveling around and trying to beat the shit out of number 46, 45 or 44, because that simply wouldn't be a very mature thing to do, would it.

SimplyEd

2007-05-31, 05:44

I was quite happy with the animation during the Miria vs Clare fight, more along the lines of fighting I prefer. Alot of the facial features were kinda botched in this episode though >.< poor Helen, they did not do her facial expressions justice, although all the voice actresses are quite to my liking. ...

I hope that the animation improves as far as that is concerned swiftly, I get the feeling the animation team is trying to get used to the new Claymores as well as Clare again. ...

Overall gave the episode an 8, the shoddy animation made me cringe when considering the Facial expressions.

That was to be expected, really. I don't even want to think about how expensive the last cuple of episodes must have been.
Still, the overall quality remains quite high and that's not something you can automatically expect from any new show these days.

And, c'mon, everyone's heard of Berserk. No self-respecting anime fan could look themselves in the mirror without having seen Berserk.

That statement would fall under generalization and exaggeration.
The fault lies not with those people who don't know about Berserk but with those who know about it, make comments and draw connections between both series', and then fail to elaborate on that matter.

First and foremost, we should all judge each individual show on its own merits.

I see becoming Claymore more like an infection.

It's not an "infection". It's an artificial (unnatural) alteration of the human physique/metabolism and even mentality. I think it's save to assume that it's a rather brutal and painful act, especially for the time right after the transformation. When Claymores learn to cope with their new hybrid body. All Claymores (except for Clare) were created against theit will, meaning that it's also quite traumatic, to say the least.

Concerning Clare being the weakest Claymore. How do they know anyway? Is there a jury following the Claymores around giving A and B notes after every kill like in ice skating? I somehow can't see Clare traveling around and trying to beat the shit out of number 46, 45 or 44, because that simply wouldn't be a very mature thing to do, would it.

It's being verified while they are in training stages. Ranking is the the de facto figthing prowess of a Claymore during that time. According to that, they are then slated for filling in that particular rank, should there be any casualties. They still retain the potential to rise in rank. So, i would take rankings both serious and nonetheless with a grain of salt. The lower ranks can give you a rude awakening *exceptionally bad pun* if you're underestamating them.

astrallionheart

2007-05-31, 05:46

Concerning Clare being the weakest Claymore. How do they know anyway? Is there a jury following the Claymores around giving A and B notes after every kill like in ice skating? I somehow can't see Clare traveling around and trying to beat the shit out of number 46, 45 or 44, because that simply wouldn't be a very mature thing to do, would it.

I wonder that as well. I think it may have to do with number of jobs taken and number/difficulty of opponents taken down. I doubt it it is particularly accurate in terms of true matchup (i.e., there's probably a number 25 out there that can wipe the floor with the number 20). While I have no proof, Elena (who submitted without a fight so I we'll never know who was the stronger) did speak to Clare with a respect/reverence that gave me the feeling that Clare was the superior (though it may be the fact that she joined a little later than Clare so sees her as her immediate superior). I think Elena just did alot more jobs than Clare (which got her in trouble because she over-used her abilities), and that resulted in a higher rank.

Anh_Minh

2007-05-31, 06:13

Don't forget Gungrave's 17 episodes of flashback, or Millennium Actress's 2 or so hours worth of flashback. If Berserk and those series are any worthwhile indicators, then massive amounts of flashback equate to massive amounts of win. And, c'mon, everyone's heard of Berserk. No self-respecting anime fan could look themselves in the mirror without having seen Berserk.

Yeah, hm, funny you should mention that. I dropped Berserk at ep4 and Gungrave at ep6... Booooooring.

Fortunately, Claymore is doing well so far, and judging by my appreciation of the manga, it's going to hold the distance.

Deathkillz

2007-05-31, 06:26

zato_1one

2007-05-31, 06:51

My most surprise is Miria's VA. Kikuko INOUE! *_* Oh! Miria-sensei :heh:

By the way, love Miria vs Clare moment. And that waterfall scene is fabulous!

The animation is OK. But the background art is still very high detail. Really love it. :D

D a m i e n

2007-05-31, 08:40

It was 4 episodes of flashback. It was so good you completely lost track of how long it was. I guess 3 episodes was your limit. At least you are finally back to the story where you want to be.

And you are definitely in the minority. ;)

ok i wanted to know if i was in the minority for every anime i watch.
i never said the flashback werent good or unneeded, but i would have liked it to be faster in order to give more time for current story to advance.
i have only read the first 3 books so i dont know how important it was to show us so much flashback. in term of story i think they overdid how theresa was overpowered, though it gives a nice view of how the awakened are powerfull. i think they could have cur all the fight in half to save time (i cant believe i m saying that, i used to love action packed anime...)
anyway the anime is keeping me entertain and that s all i m asking for.

another question why does people keep on calling "Claire" "Clare". i know japanese have issue pronouncing some sillable but i dont think it s a reason to fully change the name of a character due to that (try to make a japanese say "test" "subject", they ll add a "o" at the end for some reason, always made me giggle when i was teasing friends in osaka)

D a m i e n

2007-05-31, 08:44

Hah, i would like his reaction to berserk... 25 episodes of flashback :)
But otoh, people here dont even seem to know who or what berserk is...

Bersek i actually knew i shouldnt watch the first episode in order not to be spoiled and the story in berserk is actually the most interresting part of the book, that is where all the characters devellopement takes place, if there was to be a second season of berserk, i d prolly watch it cause it s one of the rare medieval anime i liked and i love the books but that second season would only be a hack&slash anime wich would make it pretty low in my interrest list.
for me now story >>> action
(though i still have the whole fist of the north star series just as a memeto of my youth)

JaeEleutheria

2007-05-31, 08:46

"Clare" is the way it is spelled in the manga translation done by Viz and in the sub of the anime by Eclipse. Therefore it is the accepted spelling.

From my understanding, there is no difference in pronouncing "Clare" or "Claire". The "i" is silent.

D a m i e n

2007-05-31, 08:56

i m not in a country the manga are released in english, and in france it s Claire (wich a common first name and the "i" isnt that much silent in french :p).

if the translation is clare in the book you are reading i m assuming it s intend though i m not convinced it s Clare. i think it s Claire but the prounonciation/hiragana/katakana cant handle the "ai" in claire.

bleh just rambling..

khryoleoz

2007-05-31, 09:43

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Defiled one

2007-05-31, 10:39

Exactly^ If the youma flesh is so compatible with Humans....what would happens if they crossbreeded a human with a Youma?

A natural hybrid?

SimplyEd

2007-05-31, 12:19

Yes, but

An infection can do all that too. The point simply is, I don't think that this Claymore/human/youma arithmetics works. After all, Claymores (who are 1/2 human, or 2/3 human or whatever seem win most fights against youma so by that logic a full 1/1 human whould be even stronger. :eyespin:

As I see it it's human female plus traces of DNA/energy/magic/AT fields/polaron beams/whatever of a youma under right circumstances equals Claymore. But going into the details of the human -> Claymore transformation would probably kill more catgirls than a platoon of youma could. :)

Actually, that's still not an infection. An infection/disease/affliction is something triggered by a virus, a host. A virus might change ones genetic setup. But that's not what's happening for Claymores.
Youki is not a virus. You cannot get infected with it. Normal youma don't turn humans whom they have had contact with into their kind. Humans are a foodsource for Youma while they detest the scent of youki in the bodys of Claymores. Hence why they don't eat Claymores.
This simple correlation should be proof enough why it's not an affliction.
The process to create a Claymore is, most probably, of an arcane nature..alchemy if you will. Human and Youma flesh and blood being merged and altered instead of infected.

i m not in a country the manga are released in english, and in france it s Claire (wich a common first name and the "i" isnt that much silent in french ).

if the translation is clare in the book you are reading i m assuming it s intend though i m not convinced it s Clare. i think it s Claire but the prounonciation/hiragana/katakana cant handle the "ai" in claire.

bleh just rambling..

Here's a different approach:

Clare in japanese would be: クレア (Kurea)
Claymore in japanese: クレイモア (Kureimoa)

if you take out イモ those two syllables of Kureimoa, you get Kurea

if you take out the y-m-o letter from Claymore in english, you get Clare

In the end it still doesn't matter wether you want to use Claire instead

Kouvley

2007-05-31, 12:52

The difference in power between Clare and single digit claymores was very obvious in the flashback arc but finding out she's the weakest one was still a little suprising. :heh:

- Aha~ so that's the scene manga readers were talking about! I think they made the right choice to have it at the beginning of this ep rather than the end of the last one.
- The voices of the 3 new claymores suited them well, no complaints here.
- Some foreshadowing on Clare's potential.:)
- Appearance of a male awakened one, the organisation's got some explaining to do.

Overall another very good episode.

Kabitzin

2007-05-31, 13:09

- Appearance of a male awakened one, the organisation's got some explaining to do.

Just tell them it was a trap, lolz.

Cats

2007-05-31, 13:15

Very good episode.
47?! I was like WTF until I saw her fight the other claymore.
Mmm.. something's fish. I also feel Clare has had 2 powa-ups, somehow~
The circumstances are too convinient and smell of show 'n' kick-arse. :heh:

Defiled one

2007-05-31, 13:37

Oh mommy clare, Oh mommy Clare...:heh: How will Raki react?

Such perverted Organization but then again, Priscilla is too much powerfull to be roaming around! Let´s make new ones! :heh:

Clare could have been "very well" faking the fight....

cf18

2007-05-31, 13:41

Poor Teresa can't even rest in peace. Even after death she still need to give our little Clare some sword fight 201 lesson.

So Clare was somehow made into a Claymore using Teresa's flesh instead of a Yoma's flesh. No wonder the man-in-black keep a close eye on the condition of her body, since she is quite experimental.

And Clare is the weakest. May be when she get the operation she was youger and weaker than other hand picked candidates, since her selected flesh can't stay fresh for too long... :heh:

Too bad Clare didn't have enough time to learn some some sharp mouth from Teresa. I want to how Helen reacts to "Yeah he is my man and he LOVES me enough to die with me :heehee:".

Sinestra

2007-05-31, 15:58

Interesting episode did you guys see the face Clare made when the guy in black mentioned Pricillia? I believe this is the first episode where we really do see Clare at a loss. She was quick to pull her sword when one of her own mentioned that Raki comforted her in special wayz. As for Clare being the lowest rank that means nothing, even the leader of slashers said when she saw Clare for the first time she felt she was the strongest. My theory is she was sensing Clare potential or latent power. Granted her skills did not match up during the sparing but that natural. Usually latent powers only emerge in life or death situtions or when something traumatic happens.

I found the other 2 Claymores very annoying and arrogant. I understand why they treat Clare the way they do but it was still shity. bickering with one another about rank does not get the job done

Now im curious to know was the information they recieved wrong on purpose or was it an honest mistake. Im guessing now the orginazation has a lot of intel and i cant see them making a mistake so large as to mistake common Yoma for an Awakened One and not just anyone a MALE one, come one something fishy. At least now we might get some back story on why the orginzation only uses females

Archmagination2002

2007-05-31, 16:05

Kinematics

2007-05-31, 16:37

I wonder that as well. I think it may have to do with number of jobs taken and number/difficulty of opponents taken down. I doubt it it is particularly accurate in terms of true matchup (i.e., there's probably a number 25 out there that can wipe the floor with the number 20). While I have no proof, Elena (who submitted without a fight so I we'll never know who was the stronger) did speak to Clare with a respect/reverence that gave me the feeling that Clare was the superior (though it may be the fact that she joined a little later than Clare so sees her as her immediate superior). I think Elena just did alot more jobs than Clare (which got her in trouble because she over-used her abilities), and that resulted in a higher rank.

i cant see it just working that way tbh...there should be a constant change in ranking and thus match ups between the claymores could be a clear way in deciding whos better etc...like how noel and sofia tried to fight each other to determine their rank...

Don't forget, once they are put on active duty they're assigned to their own specific regions of the continent. With the exception of these task forces, they probably have very little reason to come into contact with each other.

I'd speculate that current trainees have a general ranking among themselves (who's the current prodigy, etc), and with the Organization's experience they can probably peg them at approximate rating levels. Then when they get their mark, they have a few arranged fights around their level range to see just where they fit in. After that, ambitious ones may try to challenge higher ranking members whenever the opportunity arrises, but for the most part they don't change.

Also, think about how Clare could possibly be ranked 47, the absolute bottom rung. Sure she may suck compared to most of the other Claymores, but to be absolute last? That almost seems to be too much of a stretch to believe. But wait: Remember when Priscilla got rank 2? Irene never fought her, she just gave up her position as number 2 as soon as she saw Priscilla. Thus an actual fight isn't necessary unless both participants are vying for that position.

Clare doesn't seem to have any interest whatsoever with gaining rank within the Organization, so it's perfectly possible that if someone lower ranked than her challenged her, she's simply yield or put up only token resistance. While I doubt her actual skill puts her higher than maybe the 30's, I'm sure most of those in the 30's and 40's would be happy to challenge someone like Clare just to prove that they're not last.

Xellos-_^

2007-05-31, 16:45

But wait: Remember when Priscilla got rank 2? Irene never fought her, she just gave up her position as number 2 as soon as she saw Priscilla. Thus an actual fight isn't necessary unless both participants are vying for that position.

Clare doesn't seem to have any interest whatsoever with gaining rank within the Organization, so it's perfectly possible that if someone lower ranked than her challenged her, she's simply yield or put up only token resistance. While I doubt her actual skill puts her higher than maybe the 30's, I'm sure most of those in the 30's and 40's would be happy to challenge someone like Clare just to prove that they're not last.

Claymore have the ability to detect Yoma powers which means they can detect it in each as well. Irene had sense that Priscilla had more Y0oma Power then she did. That was why she yield without fighting. That is also why Clare is dead last because she has the least amount of any Yoma power.

Kinematics

2007-05-31, 17:03

Claymore have the ability to detect Yoma powers which means they can detect it in each as well. Irene had sense that Priscilla had more Y0oma Power then she did. That was why she yield without fighting. That is also why Clare is dead last because she has the least amount of any Yoma power.

I agree and disagree. If they have a little secretary in the building going down the line of new recruits, saying, "Yes, you have a yoki rating of 913, go sit in chair number 27; you have a rating of 866, go sit in chair number 30." and so forth, perhaps. However Noel and Sophia also indicated that a direct fight can settle the matter, and there was no indication that they were going purely on yoki power; after all, while they're both powerful, their power manifests in different ways (agility vs strength), and they each felt that their particular power was better. Finally, Irene didn't say that the yoki power determined the ranking, she said that Priscilla's power was so high that she had no desire to even attempt a fight.

So while yoki power can be a strong indicator, especially when there are significant differences in power between the two participants, I still think that it's the challenge itself that determines rank.

SimplyEd

2007-05-31, 17:10

And that's exactly why i was discussing the correlation between ranking and fighting potential a few days ago...

Mentar

2007-05-31, 17:11

Anyone notice that the RAWS are alot better as far as lighting is concerned, but when they get subbed everything seems to get darker, making the dark scenes pitch-black?
Kinda pains me to see the difference, makes some scenes almost unbearable.:uhoh:

I didn't alter anything about the brightness of the encoding raw - yet - because I really dislike artificial alterations. "The raws" aren't better, but 1/2 of the early raws definitely tweak the brightness up. You can see this in the "normal daylight" scenes, which tend to look a bit washed in these versions.

However, I agree that the brightness level on the latest encode was very borderline, almost beyond it. I'll monitor this for the upcoming episodes, and if it happens again, I'll artificially lighten up the source a bit *brr*.

[Edit:] I took some time to recheck things, and the more I look, the more I believe that the 1024x576 raw we use lately is indeed noticeably darker than most of the others. Which means that most likely it's incorrectly dark instead of most others being incorrectly light.

Thanks for the hint and feedback. I'll compensate for it next time around. While I very curiously wait for the DVDs.

thundrakkon

2007-05-31, 20:10

I wonder if they ever tried to make a Claymore by using Awakened One's flesh and a human girl? I wonder how that result will be?

As for this episode, I noticed Clare was completely exhausted after a little sparring. I can't imagine a Claymore that out of shape. Maybe it is due to her adapting to Teresa still, or maybe she is exerting a lot of energy to hold her powers in subconsciously?

Either way, after this arc, I bet that Clare will no longer be ranked 47. Maybe 46? j/k although if one of them died in the party, that would probably raise her rank?

Guido

2007-05-31, 20:19

For those who have already seen episode nine whether be RAW or subbed.

Was there any time skip or not between when Clare asked Rubel to have Teresa's blood and flesh infused within her body and the present timeline right now?

cors8

2007-05-31, 20:20

Guido

2007-05-31, 20:25

Well, this was a flashback arc so the time skip is already implied.

I am theorizing no less than 5 and no more than 7 years passed after the events of the flashback arc.

TinyRedLeaf

2007-05-31, 20:50

Also, I wonder if they ever tried to make a Claymore by using Awakened One's flesh and a human girl? I wonder how that result will be?

Maybe what they'd get is someone like......*gasp* Teresa. Or Priscilla maybe? Both of them were far more powerful than your average warrior.

That might even partly explain how the Organisation ranks their warriors -- they estimate the power level of each new hybrid based on how powerful the deceased youma used to be.

Kinematics

2007-05-31, 21:02

I am theorizing no less than 5 and no more than 7 years passed after the events of the flashback arc.

Hmm.. I'd guess young Clare was around 10-12 years old, and current Clare appears to be around 18-20. We know that Clare has been active as a Claymore for a while (per her conversation with Elena), so I would toss in a random speculation that they are assigned active duties at the age of 18, and she's probably around 20 now.

That would put the total time jump around 8-10 years if my speculation is close to the reality. Drop a couple years if you figure they go on active duty at 16, considering how young Priscilla looked, though I don't know how much I'd be willing believe that.

Archmagination2002

2007-05-31, 21:45

Well age actually doesn't have much bearing on whether you become a Claymore or not. I think to become a Claymore you must successfully pass through some tests in the Claymore training process.. you must meet a certain level of skill, you must survive the Claymorization process(I imagine it would be quite traumatic since Clare mentions the pain side effect), you must be considered loyal to the Organization(remember Claymore's are bought as slaves and don't have a choice in becoming a Claymore) and most importantly a Claymore must die for you to become one.

There is some things I really want to spoil about Claymore's(Not major spoilers, but just some background stuff and some interesting data) but I wont yet since they won't be mentioned for at least 4 more episodes and I don't want to get into any more trouble with the mods.

Negativedark

2007-05-31, 22:19

Well thinking about it, the life expecentcy of a Claymore must suck. You could get killed by some Yoma that gets lucky. Or after using too much Yoma power you have to get one of your friends to kill you. Oh and Teresa Ilena, Noel and Sophia can attest what happens if your too slow killing a transforming Claymore. Also consindering how misserable their lives are, I wouldn't be surprised if theirs the occasional suicide too.

Adam E

2007-05-31, 22:50

Also consindering how misserable their lives are, I wouldn't be surprised if theirs the occasional suicide too.

I doubt it. Most of the suicides probably happen while the girls are getting trained to be Claymores.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-31, 22:52

Yeah I wonder whats going on with the modding here? So many ridiculous spoilers in these last 3 pages and I somehow got into trouble earlier here because I mention that Claymore doesn't follow the normal shounen power up clich(untapped hidden potential thing) and thats what makes Claymore so great.

Unfortunately I am not omnipresent. Posts have now been deleted and people have been penalized.

I'd like to take this moment to mention that this could have been stopped at any time if someone had used the report post button. As stated in the first post of this thread:

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Not one single person reported those spoilers. Several members commented about the spoilers in this thread, but none of those people actually made a spoiler report. If only someone had reported these spoilers, some moderator would have descended on this thread like the wrath of god instead of waiting for me to arrive.

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TinyRedLeaf

2007-05-31, 23:28

Well thinking about it, the life expecentcy of a Claymore must suck.

Their life expectancy certainly seems very short, doesn't it? Doesn't help that the Organisation passes out poor intel to its task forces as well. Poor Miria, you know you're doomed when you're facing an Awakened Male with an underpowered team.

But you know what? It's refreshing to find an anime/manga series whose heros are not supersaiyanly indestructible. The warriors' short life expectancy serves to highlight the brutality of the world they live in.

chrry370

2007-06-01, 00:51

I particularly enjoyed the beginning of the episode where Clare demands Rubel? to put Teresa's flesh and blood in her own... This was a good move from Madhouse, reminding us of the tragic death from last episode! :(

How can Clare be the lowest ranked claymore? That was a shock...i was actually expecting in the 20's because of the scene where Clare took care of the 4 out of 5 yoma by herself when the others arrived. The anime kind of portrayed her in a powerful light. Its a pity since she has Teresa's blood...or maybe she needs to activate it?

About the flashback scene, i was happy to see Teresa but have to admit it was pretty dodgy...Teresa teaching Clare some lessons? lol...at least Teresa is still living in Clare's heart! :D

Cant say much about the voice...its perfect for the respective characters! The sparring scene was great...alot of 'clear' action..i do hope Clare will play a part in rescue of those bullies! lol...Teresa within Clare will show them!

And does anyone know if this is a three part arc?

dutchman

2007-06-01, 01:40

And does anyone know if this is a three part arc?

According to ANN its indeed a 3 part arc.

Fenrir_valindri

2007-06-01, 03:39

My opinion on Helen and Deneve being arrogant is more along the lines of Helen actually not wanting Clare to get herself killed, she did say such lines as "it's like we're bringing her along to die" and they do have reason to complain about Clare's ranking, misinformation or not, having someone ranked 47 on an awakened hunt seems crazy when you consider people in the low 30's are not often considered.

Besides conflict between characters is always a good way to get the story moving along :p

[Edit:] Glad I could help Mentar, I actually noticed back during episode 3-4, but decided to keep my mouth shut at the time, kinda wish I spoke up earlier now :p

silix

2007-06-01, 05:00

Unfortunately I am not omnipresent. <>

Please help us to help you!you have all my comprehension - being one on a HW forum, i understand moderating can be such a hard job sometimes...

silix

2007-06-01, 05:11

I particularly enjoyed the beginning of the episode where Clare demands Rubel? to put Teresa's flesh and blood in her own... This was a good move from Madhouse, reminding us of the tragic death from last episode! :(that , and the moment Rubel tells her what the term "Voracious Eater" truly stands for, with Clare's surprised reacting (which could mean she suddenly realized what could have happened of her in Toriro, and her reckless way of acting ) a detail , if i'm not mistaken, absent or not so clear in the manga...
and that expression on little Clare's face when running through the town to reach the man fron the Organization...

it's also little details like this that make me appreciate the anime version as much as the manga, possibly more ... :)
How can Clare be the lowest ranked claymore? That was a shock...i was actually expecting in the 20's because of the scene where Clare took care of the 4 out of 5 yoma by herself when the others arrived. The anime kind of portrayed her in a powerful light.actually, Clare must have improved from the first episodes ( if she can now kill 4 yomas without a fuss, maybe she'd be able to deal with a single stronger one, like the one in the Cathedral, the same way - maybe she'd resolve quicklier and with fewer wounds...)
But considering how the ranking system is carried on, i guess improvements in the way of conducting ordinary yoma - hunting jobs do not automatically reflect in ascending the ranking
Other warriors may improve too, and if they do not, the ranking may equally not change until they measure their respective skills by dueling or estimating yoki level or... but this needs warriors meeting in front of each other, and we are told this is a rare case for 47 warriors who are assigned a (vast) zone each, and are gathered together in special cases like hunts for awakened beings ( that otoh dont usually involve lower ranked claymores)
Thus, i believe the organization sets their initial rank right after the training period, then leaves it to the warriors themselves assuming their pride and motivation will lead them to try to ascend the ladder - this way the whole ranking could be not so significant at all in the case of a character like Clare ( who has a different motivation for being a Claymore than anyone else...), nor indicative or her abilities and power...
Its a pity since she has Teresa's blood...or maybe she needs to activate it?i think the dream Clare has of Teresa after sparring with Miria, actually is that activation (or the beginning of it)
About the flashback scene, i was happy to see Teresa but have to admit it was pretty dodgy...i think it fits well... recalling their first encounter helps the viewer recollect what Clare and Teresa went through in those intense episodes, imho :)
Teresa teaching Clare some lessons? lol...at least Teresa is still living in Clare's heart! :Ddepends on the actual implant spot (if it's by implant that claymores are made) but... almost literally :p
Cant say much about the voice...its perfect for the respective characters! The sparring scene was great...yeah, loved Miria in that scene :cool:

both when she was fighting, and when saying she felt as if the strongest of all was standing in front of her - that was a genuine impression of an experienced claymore, not conditioned by an abstract number: looks like she's bothered by Clare's rank because she has had a glimpse of her true potential and at the same time suspects there may be reasons for her not having a lower number ...

hope i havent exceeded in my conjuctures just now :o

zephyrmiasma

2007-06-01, 06:43

my thoughts on the men in black is that, he is also a claymore but he can't release any of his youma powers because he would turn into a awaken being.
since we know that he supervises on every era of claymores, it would also make him one of the very early male claymore experiments.

- explains why he would wear glasses to hide his silver eye color?
- explains why he is immortal?
- explains why they stopped making male claymores...
- explains why they only use females for thier organisation...

Deathkillz

2007-06-01, 06:59

like the wrath of god

and im still feeling the after burns...ouch ouch stupid brain lagg >_<
my thoughts on the men in black is that, he is also a claymore but he can't release any of his youma powers because he would turn into a awaken being.
since we know that he supervises on every era of claymores, it would also make him one of the very early male claymore experiments.

- explains why he would wear glasses to hide his silver eye color?
- explains why he is immortal?
- explains why they stopped making male claymores...
- explains why they only use females for thier organisation...
since when did they have silver eyes and are immortal? imo the guys in black get replaced after each respective generations of claymore...

and only time will tell us the answers for the last 2 questions :)

zephyrmiasma

2007-06-01, 07:14

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since when did they have silver eyes and are immortal? imo the guys in black get replaced after each respective generations of claymore...

im guessing that he is immortal coz during this episode, he mentioned that every generation of claymores has it's heroes, which may suggested that his existed through out those claymore generations.

it also means he might be a claymore himself (no other entity in this anime series that could live for so long), and being a claymore would have silver eyes, right?

and he would need to wear glasses and wear black clothes to cover his youma appearances...

Sinestra

2007-06-01, 07:21

What i was thinking was with Clare's unusual way of becoming a Claymore her Yoma powers may work different than other Claymores. Someone mentioned a theory where *********** . IF this is the case she may have the ability to hold out longer using her Yoma powers. After all she went passed 80% and still came back with the help of Raki. IF she did inherit any of Teresa's traits having her Yoki surpressed may be one of them. Clare could possibly become an awakened without losing to her Yoma side if and when her full power awaken.

She could have the potential of Pricillia but be able to control her Yoma side unlike Pricillia was able to

SimplyEd

2007-06-01, 07:47

im guessing that he is immortal coz during this episode, he mentioned that every generation of claymores has it's heroes, which may suggested that his existed through out those claymore generations.

it also means he might be a claymore himself (no other entity in this anime series that could live for so long), and being a claymore would have silver eyes, right?

and he would need to wear glasses and wear black clothes to cover his youma appearances...

That's not a very good deduction on your part there. Him mentioning that other generations spawn heroes doesn't mean that he was actually around that time to witness them.
It could just as well be a memorial service of sorts. Knowledge being passed down through the Org. Documents detailing their exploits and successes/failures.

Claymores are beings which can be detected via their youki output. Only very, very good youki manipulators with the a knack in youki supression could hide themselves completely from a talented youki reader. And it's my opinion that every generation, at least, has one talented reader who could uncover such a secret. Clare being the example here.

Sage

2007-06-01, 09:15

While in the general sense the flashback with Teresa was suitable and necessary, I still think that the execution of the transition to the flashback was very badly done.

When Clare's little arc in Rabona ended, there has been absolutely no necessity to Teresa's arc. It was too sudden and had absolutely no buildup. The pacing just felt clumsy.

Only in retrospect can one appreciate the importance of the flashback. But when you are just watching the story as it unfolded, the lack of a suitable lead in to Teresa's story was a bad decision on the part of the author.

When I starting watching Claymore I was thinking it wasnothing more than a so-so series with nothing special about it. Then the Teresa arc started and I was... woah.

Teresa arc was one hundred times better than anything that has happened in a Clare episode. I'm not talking about fighting either. I'm talking about plot/story, characters, emotion/heart, and perhaps one of the most creepy end bosses ever. And thank goodness the flashback started when it did, too!

On a side note: Is Priczilla one of the more creepy end bosses of all time? Something about her really creeps me out.

pirs

2007-06-01, 10:24

good episode. do I need to say i'm looking forward for the next one? :P

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-06-01, 13:24

and finally we meet Helen
#22 Claymore ranking, #1 sharpest tongue ranking ^^;

beauty + sharp tongue = love love ^^

jtrog

2007-06-01, 14:40

I gave Ep9 a 9. 'Baby Clare carrying Teresa s' head all that distance till she met up with the 'man dressed in dark clothes' which she figured would be in the town to collect...

She carried 'IT' without ever going eeewwwww but kept with her good memorys of Teresa and wanted her to continue. I'd like to have a friend like that.

It was a good setup to her joining the new hunting crew which made her look like a newbie 'cause she (clare) always done things her own way. All the voice actors did a powerful job of making ep9 feel like an experience as if we were there observing.

I don't know nothing about the manga, only what I have seen in the shows and haven't and WONT read spoilers.

Lendial

2007-06-01, 16:15

it seems like the author really wants us to symphathize with clare and hate helen. its definately working for me.

TougeSil80

2007-06-02, 03:00

Good ep, the battle between Clare and No.6 was cool. But the thing that interests me most is they have a male awakener, so that could mean there are successful case of male Claymores, or the organization is still experimenting with that. If they made Raki a Claymore, he and Clare will kick major ass.

Child_of_Sierra

2007-06-02, 04:20

Pity that there is very little humor in Claymore cause it would have been funny if Miria's thoughts about her team were shown :

I'm your leader and my number is 6, I've hunted 6 V. Eaters to date and you three make this team the worst ever.

Deneve: ... ... ...
Helen: :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:
Clare: Raki, stay in town so you don't get eaten by that.
Raki: I can handle myself against V. Eaters!
Clare: That's not what I'm concerned about...
Raki::twitch:

eps end:
Miria: Gah, its a male and it hit on me first! Considering the other three I guess that makes sense... what were the organization thinking! Even the information was wrong!

Rubel: :cool:

Negativedark

2007-06-02, 08:27

Or...
Helen, looking at the bone from the drumstick-"I can't belive I ate the whole thing!"
Deneve-"Your going to get fat Helen. It's going right to your thighs."

Tempest35

2007-06-02, 10:23

Hey, this would be cool, not to mention funny - if we made a blooper reel for each of the episodes - that way we can get our Claymore Comedy fix each week. :D

Miria: I'll admit, your rank does bother me. When I first met you, I thought that I was standing in front of the strongest amongst us. ... that sexy red glow you had around your body...I couldn't stop thinking about you... huh, this isn't my script!!
*growls* HELEN~!!

Clare: -_-; You could have stopped at 'sexy red glow' you know...

Helen: *sneaking away* :D

Deneve: :heh:

~*~

Helen: Hey, that can't be your kid. Don't tell me he's going to fight?!

Clare: He'll stay in town. We'll go look for lodging.

Helen: Ah~ha, he's your little boy toy eh?

Clare: I'm not sharing him with you. *pulls Raki to herself*

Helen: Huh...?

Clare: Rabona has altar boys for only 4 bars. Get your own.

Deneve: *stands up and begins to walk out the door*

Helen: Wh-Where are you going?

Deneve: To get one before the sale runs out. You want one Miria?

Miria: *sigh* Hmmm, get me two. *tosses her 8 bars* Make sure they're cute too.

IMSabbel

2007-06-02, 11:17

it seems like the author really wants us to symphathize with clare and hate helen. its definately working for me.

Come on, you have to agree that clare behaves stupid, right?
Theresa had the ability to back up carrying a child around, but Mrs. "I die nearly every day" to bring a brat to a fight against a real bad enemy seems beyond stupid.

Especially considering Clare is well aware about the extend of her a abilities (take a look at her emberassed silenec when her rank is told)

LilleNisse

2007-06-02, 11:34

Miria: I'll admit, your rank does bother me. When I first met you, I thought that I was standing in front of the strongest amongst us. ... that sexy red glow you had around your body...I couldn't stop thinking about you... huh, this isn't my script!!
*growls* HELEN~!!

Clare: -_-; You could have stopped at 'sexy red glow' you know...

Helen: *sneaking away* :D

Deneve: :heh:

~*~

Helen: Hey, that can't be your kid. Don't tell me he's going to fight?!

Clare: He'll stay in town. We'll go look for lodging.

Helen: Ah~ha, he's your little boy toy eh?

Clare: I'm not sharing him with you. *pulls Raki to herself*

Helen: Huh...?

Clare: Rabona has altar boys for only 4 bars. Get your own.

Deneve: *stands up and begins to walk out the door*

Helen: Wh-Where are you going?

Deneve: To get one before the sale runs out. You want one Miria?

Miria: *sigh* Hmmm, get me two. *tosses her 8 bars* Make sure they're cute too.

I think you're turning this into something ells then a comedy :twitch:
But I like it! :naughty:
I could really see clare from the episode just pulling Raki as you said and looking with thos eyes on Helen saying "get your own"

dutchman

2007-06-02, 12:51

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-06-02, 12:55

Helen: Hey, that can't be your kid. Don't tell me he's going to fight?!

Claire: Yes he is. The man in black said, Raki will be our team leader for this mission, indeed.:cool:

Milia: If those are the Org orders, fine with me :eyebrow:

Denev: ... :eek:

Helen: UAAAARGHHH :bash:

Claire: ....just kidding.:joke:

Negativedark

2007-06-02, 13:10

Helen "And so you see, Claire, at 47, is the lowest ranked Claymore."
Raki "Doesn't matter what her rank is. She's the main charecter."
Helen "Oh Shi- I'm sorry ma'am, I, I was just joking, please don't get me fired, I really need this part!"
Or
Helen, offering the drumstick to Deneve "Want some?"
Deneve "I'm on a diet."

zoozoc

2007-06-02, 23:48

Tempest35

2007-06-03, 00:15

Lol Tempest I see eps9 in a whole other light now:heh:

It would indeed be real funny if they added comedy omakes like your example on the DVD.

C'mon, it would be a crime not to. :D

Granted, one stipulation with the humor thing - it can only relate to the events that happen in the current ep or related to past ones. Manga comparisons with the events in the episode would be allowed (I think). That would be the only rule - so no manga spoilers should pop up if we keep the just what happened in the ep, right? ^^

Nesty

2007-06-03, 00:56

About Clare smiling behind them:

it could be a badly drawn face but I prefer to think that she was only showing an unconscious emotion of joy thinking that she finally gets to face an Awakened being. No amount of bullying would prevent her from coming along. (the battle earlier hinted she actually wanted to meet one)

i think it was a badly drawn face T_T, there's maybe more reason behind it but that's the feeling i'm getting. i just wished that miria's voice was a BIT younger, just a tad bit. she comes of a bit as a obasan with that voice of hers lol! still tho, awesome ep :)

Manatsu

2007-06-03, 01:15

It never strike me as hard when I read the manga, but this ep did better to convince me of Clare's determination to avenge Theresa, and what a huge daunting task it is. Perhaps it's the magic of that last bit of flashback which they decided to start the ep with, and seeing Clare bear with all the snicks and sniggers (credits to the seiyuus), her passing out from the fight and going through all of these with a thick skin... it makes me sympathize with her lack of power.

Kinematics

2007-06-03, 01:43

It would indeed be real funny if they added comedy omakes like your example on the DVD.

Heh. For that alone, I would be giddy if ADV picked this up and did something akin to the Conversations With SSS that they had on the Madlax DVDs.

On the smiling bit, I compared 12:04 and 16:21 with 19:51. It's not just a matter of the smile; the upper/outer eye angles and the eyebrow angles are all markedly different from her usual blank look, and each individual bit (looked at separately from the rest of the face) definitely gives the impression of a 'happy' Clare. So I disagree on the "badly drawn" conclusion, and say that I think it was deliberate.

Edit: Though I did just notice an animation goof while rewatching it again: check the symbols of the secondary squad members at 4:21 and compare with the symbol the one with the ponytail behind Miria has at 3:45. Ah well, add to the 'errata' list.

herbert

2007-06-03, 01:48

or they plan on changing the op half way through....
I guess you missed the point. It is not she is still there but it is she
features quite prominently in the OP, so maybe she isn't dead yet?

In fact, about she is currently dead or alive, we will know
right after seeing next 17 episodes.

SimplyEd

2007-06-03, 05:26

i think it was a badly drawn face T_T, there's maybe more reason behind it but that's the feeling i'm getting. i just wished that miria's voice was a BIT younger, just a tad bit. she comes of a bit as a obasan with that voice of hers lol! still tho, awesome ep :)

Well, i'd rather think of her as an experienced mature woman, not one of those impetous youngsters she hangs around with now^^

Seriously, for some reason i always thought she had that kind of vocal tone, so no surprise on my part.

dutchman

2007-06-03, 06:24

Well, i'd rather think of her as an experienced mature woman, not one of those impetous youngsters she hangs around with now^^

Seriously, for some reason i always thought she had that kind of vocal tone, so no surprise on my part.

Both in the anime and manga she looks like an college girl so subconsiously I had also a younger voice in mind.

However all Claymores look to be around 20 years or so I guess their appearance is not major indicator about their voice.

I must agree though that Miria comes over as intelligent and mature.

zato_1one

2007-06-03, 08:35

Sorry for dig something up.
i never said the flashback werent good or unneeded, but i would have liked it to be faster in order to give more time for current story to advance.
i have only read the first 3 books so i dont know how important it was to show us so much flashback.
It's necessary because the main reason (and also the main plot) for Clare to become Claymore is to avenge Teresa. The series has to show and convinces people to believe that they're really important to each other. When one falls, another one will help support. So, it takes time to build such a strong bond between them from completely stranger to sisterly relation (or even mother and daughter). To shorten this part isn't a good idea, imo.

I think that if Teresa knows what happen to Clare afterward, she must be the most depress. Teresa always want Clare to live as human and has a better life than hers. And Clare responses her attitude by becoming Claymore using her head. A truly tragic fate when I think about it I suddenly feel sad for them. But I still root for Clare. :) Go fight-to!

in term of story i think they overdid how theresa was overpowered, though it gives a nice view of how the awakened are powerfull. i think they could have cur all the fight in half to save time (i cant believe i m saying that, i used to love action packed anime...)
Yes. 10% Teresa owned 80% Priscilla. This is very important. Or else she won't be in our heart right now, right? Ahh...just kidding :heh: I think it's an intention of the author to maintain Teresa asset. Copy from Viz: "Her face never grows ugly or contorted, and when she slays the creatures, she seems to have the faintest of smiles" That's why we all(?) love Teresa and regard her as a legendary Claymore ever.

Come to think of it, if Teresa isn't freaking strong then Priscilla may won't gone insane and the plot may completely twist into different series. Somehow, if those four can manage to defeat Teresa. The fact is still the same, Clare lost Teresa and be aloned again. But I doubt that Clare still can become Claymore. According to Priscilla attitude, I believe that she will feel sympathize with Clare and won't leave Clare alone. She will try to find foster parent for Clare or she may even volunteer to take care Clare herself! Pretty interesting huh? Priscilla x Chibi Clare. :twitch:

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-06-03, 12:53

Yes. 10% Teresa owned 80% Priscilla. This is very important. Or else she won't be in our heart right now, right? Ahh...just kidding :heh: I think it's an intention of the author to maintain Teresa asset. Copy from Viz: "Her face never grows ugly or contorted, and when she slays the creatures, she seems to have the faintest of smiles" That's why we all(?) love Teresa and regard her as a legendary Claymore ever.

Yes. Imho Teresa is the best there is, there was and there ever will be ^^

Tempest35

2007-06-03, 14:01

Oh wow, now thoughts of Teresa wearing Bert Hart's ridicously huge sunglasses will be in my head for the next 20 min. :heh: And Helen pulling off 'The People's Elbow'...XDDD

Miria and Helen have definitely stolen the limelight in this episode.

mercury lampe

2007-06-04, 07:53

Defiled one

2007-06-04, 10:31

I have no idea.:eyebrow:

PastPrime

2007-06-04, 10:43

Hi everybody!

I have a doubt about this episode. At the begining we can see how little Clare wants teresa's blood and flesh in her own body right? I can understand this because I already know something like that is possible but, WHEN exactly Clare learns that you can mix your own blood and flesh with someone's else in order to create a new being?

I mean, Does Clare know that doing this she'd become a claymore (and would have the chance to avenge her beloved teresa) or this petition was just a desperate act to keep teresa with her?

I would imagine that everyone knows, in a general way, how a Claymore is made. They just don't know the exact steps necessary. So I am sure that Clare was asking to become a Claymore so she could avenge Teresa. Of course, she was also acting to keep Teresa with her since she was wanting to be made a Claymore with Teresa's flesh and blood.

Given the way this episode went, I think that the expidition was a set up. I think that those in charge realize that Clare has a great deal of unreleased power. They sent her out on an expidition to destroy a very powerful Awakened One to force her into a life or death situation where her comrades lives as well as her own will depend on her. I think that the dream was the start of her power awakening and by the end of this ark she will be ranked in the single digits.

Benio

2007-06-04, 12:10

I think Clare has some idea how a Claymore is created from when Teresa shows her body to the bandits.

Mandrake

2007-06-04, 14:39

they probably talked about it too, in the offscreen parts. They were together quite a bit, considering their length of travels

Anh_Minh

2007-06-04, 16:00

mercury lampe

2007-06-04, 17:32

My pet theory is that when Theresa flashed her body, Clare saw a youma head where her belly should be. That's where she got the idea.

Oh my! this definetely matches with the scared expresions of the bandits that met teresa in episodes 5-6 and also with the idea that yoma brain or, in this case, theresa's brain might be important in the transformation process...so, just one cuestion here, did you talk as a manga reader? because your theory seems me so plausible

NoSanninWa

2007-06-04, 20:28

just one cuestion here, did you talk as a manga reader? because your theory seems me so plausible
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herbert

2007-06-04, 23:02

Oh my! this definetely matches with the scared expresions of the bandits that met teresa in episodes 5-6 and also with the idea that yoma brain or, in this case, theresa's brain might be important in the transformation process...so, just one cuestion here, did you talk as a manga reader? because your theory seems me so plausible

You worried too much.

My guess is she knows claymore is made of human and yuma and org is responsble for, so the innocent loli naively believes org can mix anything together and it comes out true.

mercury lampe

2007-06-05, 03:47

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Jaja! thanks NoSanninWa

Also, herbert, your last sentence reminds me how I drooled for little clare AND she is no more!:( where I wonder, where is the loli factor in claymore right now?:upset:

SimplyEd

2007-06-05, 06:50

mercury lampe

2007-06-05, 09:52

Chibi Clare ain't no loli. And rightly so! Thankfully there's exceptionally little moe crap as well.
There are young characters featured here and there, but for the most part we can cheer for mature heroines. The joy!

I'm one of those persons who miss those series where we're presented with more mature lead characters. Not to say that i can't enjoy the opposite, but i'm growing tired of teenage/children casts. Especially for mecha shows! Angsty emo wrecks don't cut it for me any longer. Same goes for underaged pinup girls^^

Yes, you have a point here. I mean, i agree that teenagers or even children often (or too often if you prefer) take the role of the main character in many series. Still, this isn't bad per se (I enjoyed evangelion per example in spite of its main characters are 14-years-old boys/girls)

But, when i was asking when the cute little girls are i was NOT talking about them as an heroines; in the best of the cases i was refering to them as a cute, helpless if you want, stuff.

just wanted to clarify that.

Negativedark

2007-06-05, 10:24

Chibi Clare ain't no loli. And rightly so! Thankfully there's exceptionally little moe crap as well.
There are young characters featured here and there, but for the most part we can cheer for mature heroines. The joy!

I'm one of those persons who miss those series where we're presented with more mature lead characters. Not to say that i can't enjoy the opposite, but i'm growing tired of teenage/children casts. Especially for mecha shows! Angsty emo wrecks don't cut it for me any longer. Same goes for underaged pinup girls^^

I hear you about mech shows. I was so shocked when I found out the lead in the ZoE tv series was old enough that he had two grown kids! Also is it just me or is their more paranormal stuff in the "real" robot shows than in the super robot shows?

Well getting back on topic, in Claymore at least the kids aren't all uber. I mean Raki nearly gets eaten by every Yoma he meets, and it's not like little Claire killed everything around her.

SimplyEd

2007-06-05, 11:38

No problem, folks. I'm just saying that there are certain trends in modern anime that are literally used to death. If you'd ask me wether i'd prefer the main cast of Cowboy Bebop or that of Gundam Seed Destiny, i'd choose CB's ANY day. Same goes for Claymore. I just think it's getting ridiculous to desperately squish emo teenagers into being responsible role models.
Of course, i have no problem with shows like..ah, Lucky Star. Because they don't really try to be anything else than what they are, silly fun and full of social stereotypes. GSD on the other hand is trying too hard to make their underage crew look plausible/realistic. What a drag this series has become...

In Claymore there are seemingly young characters, like Priscilla who are quite mighty for their age..but look how she ends up.Lack of experience and wisdom of age. That doesn't mean that all mature characters are infallible.

Raki is a rather good depiction of a, more or less, helpless teenager with the sole role of providing emotional support. He doesn't kick butt, and that's good. The Claymores are there to do just that.