[Manga] How will episode 26 {last episode} finish the season? [Archive]

NoSanninWa

2007-05-30, 18:35

For some time people have been speculating about how Claymore will conclude. It will have to end before the end of the manga since not only is the manga still ongoing, but it is only being written at a pace of only 1 chapter each month. Since that is a lot slower than other shounen manga like Bleach or Naruto we can be certain that this show will end prematurely, although there might be a season 2 some time in the future.

The good news is that it means we won't be subjected to an extended filler arc unless it is about 4 years long! Pretty unlikely, eh? Oh lord I hope it is unlikely! The bad news is that there are only going to be 26 episodes. We can be certain about that episode count because of the advertised listings for the forthcoming DVDs.

Now... at what point in the manga will the series conclude? Will the writers choose an arbitrary chapter? What chapter will be the final chapter? Will they find a point that makes dramatic sense? Will they make up an original ending for the anime? Or will they pull a vague sort-of-ending like Elfen Lied? Feel free to speculate!

Warning to those who do not read the manga: Obviously there is no way to discuss this topic without spoilers. Expect that every single post -- without exception -- will contain information from the manga at volumes 11 and up! Reading this thread will subject you to massive spoilers and ruin your ability to fully enjoy the natural discovery of the plot.

You have been warned.

MrProphet

2007-05-30, 18:59

Guys, do you think it is pretty much a given that this first Claymore anime adaptation will finish somewhere after the end of fighting in Pieta?

Just judging from the story length, I do not see any other point in the story where they can safely stop in the time span of 26 episodes.

cors8

2007-05-30, 20:07

NoSanninWa

2007-05-30, 21:40

It might be a tense moment to stop the series just as all the Claymores are awaiting the end. Perhaps end it when Miria reveals that their death is certain? Nah, too much of an anti-climax. You have to wait a bit longer than that to gain the proper sense of despair.

How about right after the first wave of Awakened Ones? The three scouts are defeated after a very tense fight. Then Isley orders twenty-eight Awakened Ones to assault Pieta. That's the pinnacle of despair. It seems insane to think that they could possibly survive twenty-eight! Especially since Isley is right behind that vanguard!

That's not when I imagine it ending though. The ending I would like to see is for everyone to get wiped out one-by-one and then skip 7 years. Claris and her companions have their fight and get mysteriously saved. Then after Claris wakes up we watch her count the swords and come up 7 short. The camera pulls back and we see the of shapes of unknow people observing her. End show. It would be the perfect blend of hope and mystery. It's actually sort of like the Elfen Lied ending, but without actually changing the manga at all.

Tempest35

2007-05-30, 21:48

I see it as ending as Priscilla is counting down the extinguishing 'lights' during the final moments of the N-Campaign.

Maybe as Isley trains Raki, swords clashing, the scene switches back and forth from them to the remaning Claymores as they battle for their lives in time to the slashes from the blades.

Final scene (definitely after the credits) should be a slow pan shot of the Claymore Graveyard but with someone sticking the last claymore into the ground. We can't see them but we know who they are :D and it shows enough to make out 7 shadows disappearing into the snow filled landscape...with probably a final monologe from someone. :D

Something along those lines would end the series very nicely, in my opinion. ^_^

ashesatdusk

2007-05-30, 21:50

That's not when I imagine it ending though. The ending I would like to see is for everyone to get wiped out one-by-one and then skip 7 years. Claris and her companions have their fight and get mysteriously saved. Then after Claris wakes up we watch her count the swords and come up 7 short. The camera pulls back and we see the of shapes of unknown people observing her. End show.
Your psychic O_O, thats exactly what I thought, as soon as I saw the first post. I think an ending like that is ideal, the northern campaign is a good stopping point, and that leaves it open ended enough, for them too make a second season 5 or 6 years down the road. (about the time it would take to get to volume 22).

LCeh

2007-05-30, 22:07

It's going to be hard for the anime to find a good place to stop. Unlike 99% of other shounen manga, where you have got one major arc ending before the start of another, Claymore's plot is tightly packed that there is only one continuous story focused on one main conflict. No matter where the animator choose to end it, it will not feel like an ending because the manga is still ongoing, and the conclusion of one fight will only lead to the next one.

NSW's ending seems quite good. If I had to come up with another place to end it, I would probably end it at where Isley introduces himself to Raki, and tells him that the name of the girl he is with is Priscilla. I would think that is probably the only other alternative that would give a satisfying ending for the anime series. Either way, I think it will be difficult to pull off a good ending.

Negativedark

2007-05-30, 22:15

I already said this elsewhere, but I think it'll be like the new Guyver series. The last episode will be the first chapter post time skip. Claris will be introduced, and then saved by the seven ghosts. Maybe the animaters will do something cruel like show the Jeans attack, but not show that Helen used it, and the not clearly show who the Seven survivors are, so the people just watching the anime think Jean somehow survived. I'd like for the last shot to be something like the Seven survivors standing on a clill looking at the sunset. Cheesy, but effective.

Nightengale

2007-05-31, 00:15

NoSanninWa

2007-05-31, 00:17

Then look forward to it at the beginning of season 2.... in another 5 years. Or else find a season 1 finale that can use it.

SinsI

2007-05-31, 01:45

I for one would like it to completely deviate after a certain point in time, giving it a conclusive ending different from the manga. Since we have Priscilla and Ilene in the OP but no Jean they can stop right before the Witch's Maw.

NoSanninWa

2007-05-31, 02:19

We'll probably see a new OP at episode 13 with Jean and Galatea in it. ;)

killer3000ad

2007-05-31, 02:46

Sure hope so. I so wanna see Galatea. With episode 9 out, Galatea should be making her appearance in the next 2 episodes.

TinyRedLeaf

2007-05-31, 03:45

The ending I would like to see is for everyone to get wiped out one-by-one and then skip 7 years. Claris and her companions have their fight and get mysteriously saved. Then after Claris wakes up we watch her count the swords and come up 7 short. The camera pulls back and we see the of shapes of unknow people observing her. End show. It would be the perfect blend of hope and mystery.

That's where I imagine it would end too.

My biggest beef about the best plausible Claymore ending around the North Campaign is that I can never, not possibly see one ending that will allow the flashback about the half a pill of youma-suppressant to be integrated since it pretty much ruins the "abrupt" mood and chill following Rigardo's kills,

I think for the Northern Campaign ending to achieve maximum dramatic impact, that scene about the pills must be left out. By that point in the story, viewers will already know full well that every warrior is expendable, even major ones like Flora, Jean and Undine. Teresa's death wasn't just a plot accident, and even the mighty can fall.

So, to have a final episode where Miria grimly announces that this is their final battle, can you possibly imagine the sense of dread the anime viewer would feel? :heh: Cue to Priscilla saying, in tears, that all the "lights have gone out". The finality of those words would be crushing.

Skipping forward to the moment when Clarice's party is saved, and to Clarice's discovery of the mass grave missing seven swords would make a fitting epilogue.

But that would most probably mean that Rafaela's sidestory has to be saved for the second season.

Anh_Minh

2007-05-31, 04:17

I like NoSanninWa's ending too, but I could take it if they ended with Priscilla counting the lights, and fade to black.

G. Zeus

2007-05-31, 04:21

Yeah, the scene showing Priscilla as she counts the lights goind out would be a fine season ender. Same goes for Tempest35's ending. NoSanninWa's ending actually seems more proper as a first episode for the second season since it already introduces several new characters.

toxic_trance

2007-05-31, 10:07

Wow..this is a nice thread..infact same question as been bugging me for quite some time. Well analysing at the present rate..
Episode 10: Defeat of Awakened Being with Miria teling of 1 to 5
Episode 11:Ophelia introduced. Galatea might make an appearance in the beginning or end of the previous episode. Raki and Clare seperate i guess here
Episode 12:Irena makes her comeback and coaches Clare..Past re-visited
Episode 13:Raphaela introduced. Ophelia v/s Clare...Clare searching for Raki
Episode 14:Riful makes an entry...Fighting with Duph
Episode 15:Finish to the fight most probably
Episode 16:Clare called back and the Northern Campaign starts with an idea of where Raki is
Episode 17:Northern Campaign goes on more with a bit of info on organizational activity. This carries on to Episode 18 with knowledge of Priscilla and all
Episode 19:Rigald the Lion should come somewhere here i guess
Episode 20:Idea more on Organization. The fall at Pieta i guess
Episode 21:The war of the Abysall beings. Alicia and bess introduced
Episode 22:Raphaela's past..and the end of the whole campaign
Episode 23:7 years later....The resolution to come out of there hiding..Riful comeback
Episode 24..Face off between Riful and Clare. Clare realises that Priscilla is too powerful. I feel this is the ideal ending..where every one realises That Priscilla is unbeatable at the moment

If it is a 26 episode series as i hear..there might be a minor changes in the above schedule...since i left out Miata..the hunt for Galatea and episodes might go on more than i have predicted. But this is the basic layout i feel

2 best places to end would be
i)The fall of Pieta..7 yrs laer Clarice counts 17 swords and in the silhouette we see the 7 Ghosts
ii) The ending where every one comes to know tha Priscilla is THE STRONGEST AWAKENED BEING

I do wish that Raki is shown too by the end of the season..but i dont know how thay will do it

AND PLEASE..I hope they make a season 2

EDIT: Might have underestimated the Duph and the Northern Campaign time. Frankly i want it to end with my Ending no (i) than Ending no (ii)

HinaThePrince

2007-05-31, 10:20

Good ending, Tempest! I'd definitely like to see it end this way. Prissyface counting the disappearing lights would be incredibly creepy for an ending, so that'd be good, too.

I for one would like it to completely deviate after a certain point in time, giving it a conclusive ending different from the manga. Since we have Priscilla and Ilene in the OP but no Jean they can stop right before the Witch's Maw.

She is in the OP, though. Really blurry, but I'm pretty sure it's her because of the hairstyle [and I think she has no eyebrows, either, but it's kinda hard to tell]. And anyway, a Claymore anime without Jean would suck!

http://aycu28.webshots.com/image/17947/2001860960974543236_rs.jpg

There'll probably be a new OP halfway through, since having an OP with so much of Teresa and so little of the other characters for the whole series doesn't make much sense.

Nightengale

2007-05-31, 10:31

Even if Jean wasn't in the OP, the fact that Riful's in means Jean will obviously be in it.

Westlo

2007-05-31, 10:41

I'm guessing the last scene before the ending credits will be after the time skip with Clarice counting the 17 Claymore graves with Miria and Helen discussing what to do about her.

Than we have the ending credits and after that we see Clare and #40 walking through the snow.

I'd love to see Riful toy with the new claymore gen and even Miata in action but the above seems to be the best way to end the first series. Hopefully a second series is made 4-5 years down the track when there is enough manga to animate.

IMSabbel

2007-05-31, 12:25

Well, i personally thing that the "last lights going out" scene will be the last.
(smiling at the thought how berserk-like that will seem, ending the series with the slaughter of all protagonist..)

And be serious: There will never be a second season. It would take a decade to get enough material. After such a long time, the popularity synergy from the first seascon will be more or less gone, and thus nobody would finance it. The japanese system just doesnt work that way. (just look at berserk, fruit basked, ect. Those were much more popular than claymore and still never got a 2nd season).

Maybe if they sold 5 times as many books, yeah. But in that case, they would have streched the material further out and not burned 3-4 chapters per episode like they did. 1 or 2 OVAs would be the best to hope for.

MrProphet

2007-05-31, 12:57

And be serious: There will never be a second season. It would take a decade to get enough material. After such a long time, the popularity synergy from the first seascon will be more or less gone, and thus nobody would finance it.

Yeah, just ask Kosuke Fujishima. *wink*

HinaThePrince

2007-05-31, 13:44

And be serious: There will never be a second season. It would take a decade to get enough material.

Five years, actually. And Prophet's right - it could happen.

Negativedark

2007-05-31, 14:07

Plus I've heard that Berserks creator didn't want to have more Anime because he didn't want it to overshadow the manga, and used the anime as a way to get people to want to buy the Manga.
Anime that rose from the dead after some time... Hellsing, Ah My Goddess, Bio Booster Armor Guyver.

Grey

2007-05-31, 17:01

Hohoho, I'm all for the show ending with the Priscilla, Isley, and Raki scene, where it's implied that all the Claymores have died. But I doubt that they'd end it on such a note, because most would probably find it a bit too dark.

Ending it with Clarice discovering the swords, and the silhouettes of three of the Fab Four watching her might be okay. However, going through Clarice's introduction, explaining seven years have passed, and then having Clarice's team saved from the Awakened Ones...it might be a bit too drawn out an ending just to show, "hey, they're still alive!". And even then, the silhouettes wouldn't show that Clare was alive, unless they decide to deviate from the manga.

I suppose they could end the show around Miria's words during the Northern Campaign--"this is our final battle", iirc--when the seven of them are in a circle formation and surrounded by all those Awakened Beings.

Westlo

2007-05-31, 18:39

If they ended it during the conclusion of Pieta we would miss out on a lot of cool stuff that would only take 1-2 eps to do. Alicia and Beth's debut, more Riful and Galatea, Isley vs Luciela, backstory and conclusion of Luciela and Raphaela.

A lof of the above events are being built up throughout the show, it would not be a good look to ignore them imo. Looking at the pacing of the show I really can't see them drawing it out to a point where 26 would be the end of Pieta.

Tempest35

2007-05-31, 18:55

I like the ending of Pieta being the end of S1. They can show what happens do the remaining Awakened during the credits in showing Gatalea, Alice, and Beth staring down the Awakened to the East and Daf taking care of the Awakened in the West. Then probably Isley and (I keep forgetting her name) staring each other down all smiles as the screen fades out to snow being blown by fierce winds to show the now-destroyed town of Pieta.
As the credits are finished...I'd put the backdrop of the Claymore Graveyard just outside of Pieta...hmm...with seven sets of footprints leading away from it (passive)...or show just an arm stabbing the last one into the ground (dynamic).

TinyRedLeaf

2007-05-31, 21:12

Hohoho, I'm all for the show ending with the Priscilla, Isley, and Raki scene, where it's implied that all the Claymores have died. But I doubt that they'd end it on such a note, because most would probably find it a bit too dark.

I agree. If this were a standalone season, it would make a perfect ending (although it would leave far too many loose ends at the same time).

But the story does continue after Pieta, so there will be a need for an epilogue to assure viewers of a "next" generation. Whether or not Clare and co. are still alive, well, it would be for the creators to know, and the viewers to find out (I can see manga publishers rubbing their hands in gleeful anticipation already).

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the decision to go ahead with a Claymore anime was probably because Madhouse felt that the Northern Campaign would make a suitable finale to an as yet uncompleted story. But that said, I suspect they would have to do some editing in order to make it a good ending.

Am I the only one who thought Clarice resembled Clare when she first appeared? :heh: My first thought was, oh my, did they salvage Clare and fuse her body with a new girl? That would immediately explain why Clarice retained her original hair colour -- she's an even more diluted hybrid than Clare was.

My imaginary ending would be for a cloaked Clarice to stumble upon the mass grave. At that point, we haven't seen her face yet. But she eventually takes off her cloak to start counting the grave markers. The viewer reacts in shock at the revelation of a new "Clare". In other words, cut out the fight between Audrey's team and the Awakened Ones, and just focus on the discovery of the mass grave.

Seven swords are missing, and a new warrior who looks like Clare. That would keep viewer speculation running high for however many years it'd take to make a sequel. ;)

lapchern

2007-06-01, 01:54

i like the idea of it ending after the pieta battle, with a several second epilogue showing that 7 swords are missing.

G. Zeus

2007-06-01, 02:08

At this rate, either we'll be in for a long wait after the first season or the artist (Norihiro Yagi) will have to shift his priorities from the manga to the anime to speed things up, maybe writing the story and drawing the storyboard instead of working on the art for the manga itself.

Or we could have filler eps like Naruto and Rurouni Kenshin. :twitch:

TinyRedLeaf

2007-06-01, 02:20

Cool, then we'd get the hot springs episodes we all want.

Or, a story arc revolving around beach ball ala Dead Or Alive. :P

NoSanninWa

2007-06-01, 03:25

Or we could have filler eps like Naruto and Rurouni Kenshin. :twitch:
As I said in the first post, please remember that Naruto is a weekly manga while Claymore is monthly. If we are going to have filler in Claymore it won't be a quick 2 year stint like Naruto. It would be about 5 years of filler.

Not really an option. Or do you really think that they would make 5 years of filler before returning to the story?

Cool, then we'd get the hot springs episodes we all want.

Or, a story arc revolving around beach ball ala Dead Or Alive. :P

I guess an episode or two of filler here and there isn't impossible. It is only trying to close up the 5 year gap until there is enough manga for another 26 episodes that seems ridiculous.

G. Zeus

2007-06-01, 03:37

As I said in the first post, please remember that Naruto is a weekly manga while Claymore is monthly. If we are going to have filler in Claymore it won't be a quick 2 year stint like Naruto. It would be about 5 years of filler.
Yep. The smiley indicates that the last remark wasn't serious. Just about everybody hated the filler arcs from those 2 series anyway.

TinyRedLeaf

2007-06-01, 05:12

Wow..this is a nice thread..infact same question as been bugging me for quite some time. Well analysing at the present rate..
...
Episode 19:Rigald the Lion should come somewhere here i guess
Episode 20:Idea more on Organization. The fall at Pieta i guess
Episode 21:The war of the Abysall beings. Alicia and bess introduced
Episode 22:Raphaela's past..and the end of the whole campaign
Episode 23:7 years later....The resolution to come out of there hiding..Riful comeback
Episode 24..Face off between Riful and Clare. Clare realises that Priscilla is too powerful. I feel this is the ideal ending..where every one realises That Priscilla is unbeatable at the moment

I've just sketched out the possible future episodes too, and I'm beginning to think that it wouldn't end at the fall of Pieta after all.

Assuming that it is indeed going to be a 26-episode season, the "disappearing lights" scene might actually be the finale of episode 25. I speculate that Episode 26 would start with Isley dispatching half of his army to the East, while he proceeds south with Priscilla and Raki. The Organisation unleashes Black Alicia. Galatea witnesses the carnage, and catches Rubel's hint that the same technique had been used before, but with disastrous results. Subsequently, Rubel tells Galatea to run, because she knows too much for her own good. Finally, flash forward seven years, to Clarice's discovery of the mass grave.

(Rafaela's sidestory will have to be skipped -- there's no time to include it, and besides, it wouldn't make any impact without first introducing Luciela, and that would take at least another episode to produce.)

Reason why I think it might end this way? As a few other posters have observed, the mass grave epilogue is a bit too long to be squeezed into the final 10 minutes of the show. Moreover, I'm beginning to think that skipping ahead seven years so soon after the fall of Pieta would not allow enough time for the devastating loss of Clare and co. to sink in. Going one full episode without their reappearance ought to heighten the sense of dreaded finality -- the viewer would be kept wondering, "Why is there one more episode if everyone is dead? Are they actually dead or alive?"

Plus, the producers could use that one last episode to set up more hooks for the second season:

Isley is going south. But to do what? Viewers speculate on his motives.

The present generation's Numbers 1 and 2 are finally revealed. Viewers finally realise why the Organisation was never quite worried about the Abyssal Ones; it's because they were already well on the way towards perfecting their counter-weapon. Viewers speculate on how Alicia and Beth may be deployed in the future.

The possibility arises that Galatea survives into the second season as the new protagonist. Speculation arises that she may start investigating the Organisation where Miria -- RIP -- left off.

And with the epilogue, one last hook: What are the implications of Clarice's discovery of seven swords missing from the mass grave?

t3ck

2007-06-01, 05:51

I'm thinking... they will try to stretch the series and ends before the northern campaign. After the fight with Riful and parted way with Galetea. Claire and Jean told to go to the north.

Reasons being, at that point there will be many fans of this anime. Leaving out the most exciting arc of the series and make it into OVA DVDs and sell to earn lots of money! Haha it's just something that came to me. Don't bash me for it.

Westlo

2007-06-01, 07:41

I really don't see why they would stretch the series so long after doing such an excellent job thus far off being faithful to the manga.

Looking on anidb the 13th episode is listed as "The Endless Gravestones (Part 2)". 14 would probably be Fit for Battle, and than 15 being the Ophelia fight.

16-19 should cover Riful and set up the northern campaign, maybe 20-24 is enough to cover the northen campaign and than we have 2 episodes to tie up loose ends (Isley, Alicia, Rafaela, Luciela) and than have enough time to introduce Clarice and the grave scene.

rei_lied

2007-06-01, 10:02

Well, i personally thing that the "last lights going out" scene will be the last.
(smiling at the thought how berserk-like that will seem, ending the series with the slaughter of all protagonist..)

I agree with you with that last scene. Then they will give a glimpse of them alive again. You know the scene in the manga where

Miria cries about only having 7 survivor among the 24 of them. And then Clare and the others comforting her.

Then after about 1 year...Claymore season 2!

HinaThePrince

2007-06-01, 10:15

Then after about 1 year...Claymore season 2!

More like 5 years.

MrProphet

2007-06-01, 10:20

Then after about 1 year...Claymore season 2!

Dream on. 8)

There won't enough manga material for the second season until 2012. 60 chapters for 27 episodes is a lot.

Say, the latest chapter is 73. Which leaves about 47 chapters to go. 47 months is equal to 4 years.

lapchern

2007-06-01, 15:06

here's the correct answer:

we will have a season 2 that will surpass the manga!

rei_lied

2007-06-02, 08:32

Dream on. 8)

There won't enough manga material for the second season until 2012. 60 chapters for 27 episodes is a lot.

Say, the latest chapter is 73. Which leaves about 47 chapters to go. 47 months is equal to 4 years.

We can have fillers. Although I don't really like fillers. Anyway, didn't know that it will take that long. Why can't they release the manga chapters weekly? :mad:

stormy001_M1A2

2007-06-02, 23:59

I suspected that animators will modify the ending and gave us something different from the mangas. That sounds more plausible to me. How? I don't know.

Nesty

2007-06-03, 00:12

I like NoSanninWa's ending.

My biggest beef about the best plausible Claymore ending around the North Campaign is that I can never, not possibly see one ending that will allow the flashback about the half a pill of youma-suppressant to be integrated since it pretty much ruins the "abrupt" mood and chill following Rigardo's kills, Priscilla's words, and the seemingly "this is really really really the end for Clare and co." vibe from the hopeless North Campaign situation. That flashback nearly gave me donkey tears despite it's obvious simplicity, due to it's showcase of Claymore bonds that was beautiful, yet non-cheesy.

agreed, nsw's ending idea is the best, couldn't have come up wtih anything better than that :P

one thing that i love about claymore is the bond between some of the fellow warriors. it's not that cheesy crap u always see about we need to just project each aother and get stronger. you really feel as tho it's their last stand and there's nothing they can do but hope and pray it works. and one thing that really stands out is that characters do indeed die. and they don't just come back for no god damn reason lol

Enara

2007-06-03, 13:54

hmmm i thing it will end right at the end of the norther arc. from what i see it is about 2 ep. per vol. and if it ends right at the middle of vol. 12 right befor the 7 year time skip but after that there might be a year or two wate

cajunman380

2007-06-03, 19:42

my thoughts...

Tehy should definately end the season (yes i said season) at the end of the northern campaign probably during the first scene with clarice and the seven swords. If they go off and make an original ending then it really wouldnt make sense and damage the series overall. I feel that they will generate more interest if they leave it as a cliffhanger. The beauty of it is. They can show new episodes in the form of ovas of arcs like they did with hunter x hunter. They way its set up, the ovas can cover major arcs of the story that only take months to finish and plus the quality would be excellent. and besides who wouldnt want to see the animated version of the mag 7s wardrobe. I think madhouse has a hit here and they could well establish something that could last.

NoSanninWa

2007-06-03, 19:50

I'd have to agree that it would be wonderful to see the series completed as OVA. The slow place of releasing OVAs would match wonderfully with the slow progress of the manga. It would give us a regular helping of Claymore and the bonus is that the animation quality would actually rise!

Yeah, that would be nice. Shame it happens so rarely.

TinyRedLeaf

2007-06-04, 23:36

Imagine this:

Seven years after the Battle of Pieta.

It's snowing heavily in the Northern Country. A cloaked figure trudges wearily through the blizzard, and comes upon the ruins of Pieta. She's miserably cold, but even so, she startled by the scene of utter desolation. "So this is Pieta. There really is no sign of life here. I think the rendezvous point is further north," she thinks aloud.

She arrives at another town. This town is still fairly intact, but it's just as deserted as Pieta. She enters a room, and as her eyes adjust to the darkness, she sees three warriors dressed in grey sitting at the end of the room.

"Errr....I'm sorry I'm late," she says, as she takes off her hood, revealing a shock of brown hair.

"I'm Clarice. I am Number 47."

~~~ end of season ~~~

bkg9990

2007-06-06, 20:23

TinyRedLeaf

2007-06-06, 21:21

Lol, actually no. That's precisely what I'm suggesting -- cut out the graveyard scene and save it for the next season (if there would ever be one).

I'm proposing the above ending mainly because I realised, while plotting the future episodes, that there simply isn't enough time to animate the whole sequence where Audrey's team gets clobbered by the Awakened Ones -- going by the available material, I imagine that it could take at least a whole episode to animate that scene, and not just 10 to 15 minutes.

At best, there should only be one episode left after the fall of Pieta, and I'd rather have that episode focus on how Black Alicia takes down 11 Awakened Beings like flies. That would set up expectations quite nicely for the future season -- viewers would want to see more of Alicia and Beth in the future.

There might even be enough time to show Isley and Luciela squaring up for battle -- although probably not enough time to portray the outcome.

With those scenes in mind for the final episode, I realise that there is probably only enough time left for a very short cliffhanger towards the end.

Hence, Clarice's entrance, and her introduction of being Number 47. I'd expect viewer reaction to be similar to the manga-reader's first reaction as well. Namely, "WTF? What happened to Clare? So, is she really KIA'ed after all? Are we getting a new protagonist for the rest of the story?"

And, scene closes. Viewer is left with many questions, and lots of expectations to be followed up with in the following season. ;)

Negativedark

2007-06-06, 21:55

I dunno. Leaving the anime only people hanging for years, possibly forever could be cruel.

Maybe the actual plot will wrap up by the end of 25, and 26 will be a speical beauty contest episode?

lapchern

2007-06-06, 23:11

this could very well be another berserk where it ends at a very subtle cliffhanger

NoSanninWa

2007-06-07, 01:35

this could very well be another berserk where it ends at a very subtle cliffhanger
There was nothing even remotely subtle about the cliffhanger in Berserk. It was one of the biggest cliffhangers in the history of anime.

But yes, a cliffhanger does seem likely in Claymore.

lapchern

2007-06-07, 01:52

There was nothing even remotely subtle about the cliffhanger in Berserk. It was one of the biggest cliffhangers in the history of anime.

But yes, a cliffhanger does seem likely in Claymore.

yes, it was quite tasteful ;)

all kidding aside, i just think the feeling i get will be simlar to berserk because i'm pretty certain we won't get anymore episodes of claymore for several years due to its slow pace of relases, although 'zerk is much worse in terms of release schedule (and hence why it's been like a decade since the berserk anime's been out)

toxic_trance

2007-06-07, 02:59

Hmm..seeing the current pacing..i m sure now this series will end with the Northern Campaign and the silhouettes of the 7 Ghosts. So that is like till Vol 12 i guess.

Westlo

2007-06-07, 03:28

I really don't see the fall of pieta ending in episode 25 or 26 at the current pacing unless the add in filler which I really don't think will happen. I'll be very suprised if the Northen Campaign is started after episode 18. Northen Campaign shouldn't take longer than 6 eps to animate which leaves plenty of time for Alicia and Beth, Isley Vs Luciela, Clarice and the 7 ghosts.

vietpimp

2007-06-09, 22:13

Xellos-_^

2007-06-09, 22:31

Ep24 will end with the end of Nothern Campaing. Ep25 and 26 will be dvd only and will show the aftermath. Galatea explanation and the Alicia/beth battle in 25. Luceria and Isely battle and Rafaela back story for 26. A Epilogue at the end of 26 will the 7 years after and End Claris waking up and finding the Grave yard of Swords.

Westlo

2007-06-10, 08:00

The best place to end is when Isley and Priscilla is talking and when she says how many lights is left. 3 lights, 2 lights, 1 now they are all gone. Then it shows Raki's face not knowing shit and then zooms out and end with the credit. This way the anime audience would think the anime actually ended without any cliffhangers. Its pretty crappy ending since the audience would think main char (Claire) would die in this scenario but meh its a conclusive ending instead of some cliffhanger.

It's also a pretty crappy ending because we would have to have filler episodes and /or drawn out scenes to have episode 26 end at that point.

At current pacing there is no way that the fall of Pieta will be during ep 26.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-06-11, 18:00

Actually the pacing is quite good, I am surprised they wrapped the Slasher arc in less than 4 episode. Perhaps ep 20- 26 will be on Peita arc? Who knows. And I still thinks that animators will give a different ending which is open ended and ambiguous.

Wake90

2007-06-13, 21:26

*Must be up to date on v13 Manga or this will be a Spoiler*

Well a vital element hasn't been filled in yet is Raki, since the 7 year jump.
Hmm, what could have taken place with this boy, telling the strongest of Awakens he wants to become stronger and being adopted by them intentionally. Obviously they had plans for the kid cuz i doubt they just wanted company, but they didn't get any other children meaning he's special. His state of mind may have changed drastically also being away from Clare for 7 years and finding a family to settle down with. I bet needing the power so badly they told him he could become an Awakened to do some good, not knowing the specific mental effects. That could very well have happened. Now how to make sure hes strong enough to make a real difference in battle he'd have to become a pretty strong Claymore before awakening, or does the natural amount of power only matter? If natural doesn't matter all that much he could very well be a formidable foe doubt the writers wouldn't make him weak.

Riful could do many things in this story like be a show of power for Alicia or maybe Isley. I'd bet she runs into Alicia first not seeing any other person to try to persuade to her side. Possibly kills Alicia's twin as persuasion or just dies as the show of power i mentioned.

Now say Clare and some sort of Posse (including Galatea maybe) clears all obstacles (Alicia possibly being one of them) and gets to Isley's home to find Raki awakened the possibilities are infinite but at least you know the battle will end between Clare, and Priscilla.

I don't believe they are stupid enough to drag the story on with more secret experiments and new races as Dragon Ball Z did and the Naruto fillers did, so disgraceful. Hopefully its similar to Trigun in the execution giving a good final ending. To do all this in the 13 episodes remaining will be something to really see and ill be watching.

Majek

2007-06-14, 04:53

They have enough potential cliffhangers in manga to make a decent "ending" without any difficulty. So I'll just wait and watch and not give any though in how i think it should be. :)

Tracid

2007-06-17, 15:30

Since they only schedule that much. On what event do you think they'll end it on?

I'm thinking its the epic battle with the 5 or 6 squads or Claymores up north and ends with the cliffhanger of the last 5 claymores dead.

Goofus Maximus

2007-06-17, 21:43

For a more hopeful ending, they could take it to the part where Clare finds evidence of Raki, and decides to go South, and the end could be the discussion that ends in everyone deciding to go as well...

silverstri

2007-06-20, 05:48

hi i'm new here...i'm sorry if i ask stupid question..but the current manga chapter now is up until 73 The Childish Dagger right??

JackReaper666

2007-06-20, 19:42

hi i'm new here...i'm sorry if i ask stupid question..but the current manga chapter now is up until 73 The Childish Dagger right??

Yeah, far as I know (or can find). I think Chap 74 will be out in July.

Now, as to how the Claymore anime will end, I think there's two things to take into consideration.

#1 - Has the studio already finish production on the final episode? If not, then there's a chance that Norihiro Yagi might insert a reasonable scene in the near future just so the anime can end on a somewhat meaningfully term (ex. Clare finally finds Raki)

#2 - Will there be a season 2 (unlikely, considering the pace the manga is going), or possible OVAs? If so, then episode 26 can end on somewhat of a cliffhanger; for example, as a previous post suggested, ending at the appearance of the 7 "ghosts," after they assist Clarice.

hollywoodlou

2007-06-21, 02:17

Episode 26 will be an open ending...hopefully with the death of Priscilla.

If priscilla dies by Clare's hand, there won't be season 2. The goal of the series anyways is for Clare to bleeping beat the snot out of Priscilla.

Dextra

2007-06-22, 20:43

I would have to agree with the previous guesses about the show ending open-ended at Pieta. They will probably go up to chapter 65 with pages 72 and 73 from 66 as a fade away.

The show has reasonably followed the manga (minus only a few lines probably for time reasons) so without a season two (or season three, depending on how much longer the manga continues) there is no way they can do a "proper" ending with a Clare's final revenge. If they do not do a season two (or as I previously said, possibly season three) this show may end up just being something that triggers interest for the manga, rather like what Berserk did for the already popular Berserk manga. This wouldn't be too entirely bad since I prefer the manga over the show, but regardless two mediums of a great thing is always good.:D

Sordes Pilosus

2007-06-22, 21:25

It all really depends on what plans there is for Claymore as both Manga and Anime in the future. For instance currently the Manga runs on 1 Chapter each month. But if it changed to 2 a Month at a later time chanses for a Second season would seam quite realistic. So it kinda all depends what the plans are. Personaly i see a few options for ending:

Ending 1: End of Series
Ending 1 is one that sets the slate for "End of Claymore Anime" no second season planed. If so it will be a "Read the rest in the manga type ending" Or a Final ending. But i favor the first of the two. In this case it Has 2 realistic options. Gravemarker ending or Lights fading. Both these can be said to be "Final Endings" and there arent many spots in the Manga where this is posibel. Those 2 are the best for an end of series with no season 2 planed.

Ending 2: This is one that demands a second season. This should end after the Gravemarker bit. Reason is its the best stage point for a second season. The Start of season 2 would most likly then be a rearange of events. Meaning they set out south, and then we get the events 7 years ago. This would be a simular start as we had in season 1. Starting first with showing who is alive, then we get what happened 7 years ago. Then right to Riful bit. It would be a slight alteration of the manga but very small stil following it just changing the order slightly in order to suit the start of season 2. This would then create a very "intense" start on season 2 that should recatch alot of viewers also. Even if it takes 2-3 years (if season 2 comes it wont come later then that).

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So in the end its the future plans that decide Anime Ending i belive. But regardless the Gravemarker bit is the "Last" posibel spot it will end. The other events would probably be more suited for a second season as a good start.

And now as for the 5 year wait comment. Doubt it. It may currently only run at 12 Chapters a year. But there are 2 Options that can be done in order to make a Second season stil likly. Already now we have about what, depending on ending spot atlest 5 Episode's that can be made of material already existing. By the end of the series ? thats currently 14 Weeks. 3 and a half months. Which means based on time of ending 4 More Chapters. so we can say depending on the chapters maybe have material for 6 or 7 episodes already by the end of the seires. Do a 2 year wait. thats 24 Chapters, if we do a count then on say 3 Chapters pr episode. We are down to 8 more. Thats atlest 14 Posibel episodes at the very start. Then we have timeline facters. So if say that season 2 only got aired once every 2 weeks. OR the Manga speeds up til 2 or more Chapters pr month the posibility of a second season isent unlikly based on material atlest. There are alot of Fighting parts in whats most likly not aired also. And fighting parts are easy to drag on a bit without making it seam false.

Trax

2007-06-23, 19:15

I'd like to see the ending that NWS speculated on. 7 year timeskip, Nina squad saved from AB's, 17 sword markers in the ground and a silhouet shot of the cloaked survivors watching from a distance.

jyle_t

2007-06-25, 06:21

i suppose it'll end right after the north campaign, before the new arc (clarice, audrey, etc). that'd be reasonable, assuming the anime follows the manga faithfully all the way.

Trax

2007-06-28, 10:24

I suppose there's a chance of an original anime ending, but now that I've read the manga I'd probably be bothered by that. It's true that the ending that would appeal to me would leave many unanswered questions and unresolved issues, but that's not uncommon in anime endings and let's not forget it would allow a smoother transition to the newer material for another season / continuation in OVA's at some point. Considering the projected number of volumes, the rest of the material could probably be fit nicely into a second season. The worst possible anime ending would be with Priscilla being defeated somehow. It would either be unbelievable, be achieved by an annoying abundance of powerups, or be the result some strange plot twist such as Priscilla allowing it.

hollywoodlou

2007-06-29, 01:02

Mr Hat and Clogs

2007-06-29, 01:21

I have a feeling it will end somewhere around the destruction of Pieta, just after the battle, either showing the graves, or clare searching in the snow.

If thats the case, I'd hope for there to be a season two. Or some OVA's carrying the story along.

hollywoodlou

2007-06-29, 03:33

D a m i e n

2007-06-29, 04:28

how far in the books is the anime at?
how many books are out?
are they licenced or still available to be snag on the net in scanlations?

NoSanninWa

2007-06-29, 04:50

The manga is licensed and the last episode of Claymore ended halfway through volume 7.

8 volumes have been released in the US.
12 volumes (plus a few chapters) have been released in Japan.
25 volumes is the length that the mangaka said he is aiming to complete the story.

2 new volumes are released each year.
6 years is the remaining time to complete the story.

Meatrose

2007-06-29, 07:06

Bah! I've got a bad feeling about this. I don't read the manga, so I thought I should check this thread out in order to find out what on earth is likely to happen with the show after these 26 episodes. I for one hate when a superb anime, that is faithful to the original source - the manga, makes up its own ending. FMA is just one example. One might ask why they didn't simply wait 2 years or so before engaging in this anime-project. If I've completely understood the development of the manga, that should have given them a possibility to release the first season just the way they are doing it now, then wait for 1-2 years only to complete the series with a second season - still staying true to the manga.

The way it looks today, I wouldn't - at all - be surprised if we get an anime-original-ending a'la Berserk that forces the fan to read the manga to know "what REALLY happened". The annoying thing is that I don't like manga... at all. I simply don't enjoy the medium. =P

Trax

2007-06-29, 07:52

You don't really need an anime-original-ending to lure people to read the manga. An open ending faithful to the manga would essentially have the same result.

Sordes Pilosus

2007-06-29, 08:26

Indeed. Espesialy if the ending is either a Cliffhanger or a "There is more to be told for sure" type. Claymore has a few really suitable places to end it after the North Campain. Which also would be GOOD endings.

D a m i e n

2007-06-29, 09:40

Trax

2007-06-29, 13:13

Does that mean that the volumes up till now have taken 6 years aswell? I hope he picks it up a notch, I might have forgotten all about Claymore in 6 years. :p

NoSanninWa

2007-06-29, 17:15

Does that mean that the volumes up till now have taken 6 years aswell? I hope he picks it up a notch, I might have forgotten all about Claymore in 6 years. :pYep, this story has already been about 6 years in the writing.

The way it looks today, I wouldn't - at all - be surprised if we get an anime-original-ending a'la Berserk that forces the fan to read the manga to know "what REALLY happened". The annoying thing is that I don't like manga... at all. I simply don't enjoy the medium. =PActually Berserk's ending is quite faithful to the manga. It wasn't original at all, it simply stopped rather than make something up. And I hope that Claymore's ending is just as faithful to the manga.

Indeed. Espesialy if the ending is either a Cliffhanger or a "There is more to be told for sure" type. Claymore has a few really suitable places to end it after the North Campain. Which also would be GOOD endings.Yup. Unlike Berserk there are some good points to stop the story at. Hopefully Madhouse will choose a good point to end the story where you feel you have some closure at the midpoint although the story is clearly not done. We can have a good ending without veering from the manga, despite the lack of conclusion.

Negativedark

2007-06-29, 18:20

Two horrible possibilitys for the final episode.
A musical episode.
A clipshow, the bane of all.
Both of witch are no where near as frightning as this possibility.4Kids gets the american rights for the anime.

hollywoodlou

2007-06-29, 20:08

I am also hoping it wouldn't be a MAJOR letdown like the ending of the Sopranos...if the creator says the complete volume of the series would be 25, then the ending would be open ended...entering season 2 (cross fingers).

...and Raki dies.

Sordes Pilosus

2007-06-29, 21:11

Well lets be honest. It all really depends on what will happend from now on. The manga has moved to weekly instead of Monthly even if its stil a monthly release could it be that its a preporation to speed it up ? Claymore has grown in popularity more and more. And 1once a month for a other 6 years i doubt can be the case. Its bound to speed up at some point and im not sure we have had the reasons for it moving to monthly yet have we ?. If it speeds up the chanses for a season 2 is quite high. Even if it would take stil atlest 2 years before it would start but stil something that would really be a good spark in my eyes.

But if it plans to continue on the same rate as now. A season 2 isent really realsitic at all. The mangaka would also lose the chanse to draw very many new readers to Claymore Manga since this show is like major advertisement for it. It will end with perhaps 2 or 3 volumes done when the series ends. Not imposibel to catch up on for readers. So if it would speed up he would keap even more of the fanbase he has gotten due to the Anime. But no matter what i to hope it follows the Manga til the very end.

Mr Hat and Clogs

2007-06-29, 21:17

...and Raki dies.

I'm sensing a certain theme to your posts, just can't quite say what it is though. :heh: :p

Dextra

2007-07-01, 11:50

hollywoodlou

2007-07-01, 20:43

Poor Raki. All he wanted was some TLC. Seriously though, if he is killed I don't think many will miss him. The manga has been fantastic since his absence. :D

As for the possibility of a unique TV ending, I don't see it happening. They may want to milk this show for all it's worth with the possibility of a second season (if popularity continues) and not many shows as of late have done manga to TV adaptions with unique endings. For example the Death Note ending was almost exactly like the manga minus a few scenes and add a few others, but the basic ending of the original written work was pretty much kept.

Not only will nobody miss him (majority-wise), most here will probably throw a party to celebrate...Give Clare a beefcake, the poor girl deserves it.

Going back to the anime ending, I think with 13 episodes left it is very possible to squeeze in the northern campaign arc into 3-4 episodes as the final 4 episodes.

KiNA

2007-07-01, 23:40

I firmly believed it would end with Priscilla counting the light out (ie Pieta arc). Rigald would make and excellent end boss for the series.. We get to see Clare half awaken too... And it would be weird to end the series after the timeskip.

+ the hint on the latest episode, removing Dark Alicia and replacing it with Windcutter Flora in Ophelia's dialogue shows that we get to see Flora but not Alicia ^^.

Also, i think most peoples hate Raki out of jealousy :D

As to unique ending... it would mean that Clare have to undergo a huge power level up in order to defeat Priscilla .. which I cant see it happening.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-07-01, 23:47

Madhouse also have a habit of making completely different ending, so don't be so sure on their faithfulness to the manga. Remember Gunslinger Girl? The last arc is not in the manga at all.

So I nursing a healthy suspicion that they will create completely new anime ending for Claymore. Maybe Pieta Campaign will not be in sights.

You never know.

Nvis

2007-07-02, 00:17

Wouldn't ending it just before the 7-year jump be reasonable(no debut for Clarice :D)? There's still a lot of material, and if you count some filler episodes..

Then start a 2nd season like 4-5 years later................

TinyRedLeaf

2007-07-02, 01:10

Plenty of fun speculations I see. :D

Actually though, there probably is a far more concrete way to "guess" the ending. Depending on how long it takes to produce a 25/26-episode anime (1 year? 1.5 years?), it is fairly easy to work backwards to see what material MADHOUSE had to work with in the first place.

From that point of view, it's pretty clear that it would not include anything in Volume 13. Even parts of Volume 12 may be iffy, depending on how long ago they actually started working on the anime.

hollywoodlou

2007-07-02, 01:53

volume 8 already was a stretch to read (dragging story), and you can compress that volume into 3 episodes if you could write the dialogue smartly. 26th episode will be an open ending that goes into the 2nd season.

D a m i e n

2007-07-02, 10:04

Yup. Unlike Berserk there are some good points to stop the story at. Hopefully Madhouse will choose a good point to end the story where you feel you have some closure at the midpoint although the story is clearly not done. We can have a good ending without veering from the manga, despite the lack of conclusion.

kinda of topic but when ever berserk is mention i kinda come up.
i think the end of the anime was excellent actually.
the main point of the anime was to show the clash of friendship and ambition between grifit and guts, it ended when one the side had taken over the over leading to the ritual.
with the first episode showing what is happening for gutst on a dayli basis i concider the anime stoped perfectely if it was to be a second season there would be too much fights and turning the show in a hack and slash leaving very little room for the scenario.

i hope they can pull of a same kind of ending since the manga is still ongoing it means that they need to find a nice place in the book that can be concider an end for the anime leaving a slight chance for a second season and yet be enought to make for being a 1 season serie.

hollywoodlou

2007-07-02, 16:28

I read vol 10-12 last night and the Pieta storyline will be at most 6 episodes. 26 eps isn't enough...

NoSanninWa

2007-07-02, 18:02

hollywoodlou

2007-07-02, 18:10

As for how long Pieta will be, according to announced episode titles so far:

18. The North War (Part 1)
19. The North War (Part 2)

If Pieta is only 6 episodes, then there are going to be 3 episodes after Pieta has fallen...

They've got to be kidding me?! 2 eps for the pieta battle?? That has got be some quick dialogue.

The rigald fight itself would be 2 eps by itself.

Trax

2007-07-02, 18:27

Nah, it's not that bad. First off, there might be a part 3 or more for The North War. And secondly, the "War of the North" chapter titles only apply to the chapters dealing with the slaughter of that claymore group in the north until the fight with the 3 reconnaissance AB's and some Raki/Pris/Isley interlude (6 chapters). After that come the chapters titled "The Invasion of Pieta" which deals with the real attack (5 chapters).

So perhaps ep20 will be North War part 3, then 3 eps at most for Invasion of Pieta which leaves 3 eps to go (assuming 26 total eps) which could be Cognates of Paradise (3 chapters) & Joined by Souls (3 chapters). If there's not quite enough material then perhaps it will be supplemented by the hotsprings episode some people want to see (between War of the North & Invasion of Pieta?). :heh:

hollywoodlou

2007-07-02, 21:07

NoSanninWa

2007-07-03, 00:36

if NSW says that ep 18 & 19 are northern campaign eps, they really would have to quicken the dialogue. My guess is ep 20: the rigald fight...21: slaughter of u know who 22-23 cognates arc and 24/25 souls arc. one episode left??

Pls let it be the claymore slumber party.:p
Nah, we don't have to speed things up much to get to the Northern Campaign so quickly:
14. Fit for Battle
15. The Witch's Maw (Part 1)
16. The Witch's Maw (Part 2)
17. The Witch's Maw (Part 3)
18. The North War (Part 1)
19. The North War (Part 2)
That means we finish up Ophelia's story in episode 14 which leads to Clare finding her way into Riful's Lair in episode 15. After 3 episodes with Riful, Clare is drafted into the Northern Campaign in episode 18. The timing looks perfectly in line with the average of 3 chapters to an episode that we've seen from this show so far. It has only varied slightly from that rate.
Episode 14 = 3 chapters (38-40)
Episode 15-17 = 3 chapters per episode (41-49)
Episode 18-19 = 3-4 chapters per episode (50-56)
Pretty normal pacing. If I extrapolate the same pacing, then...
20. Invastion of Pieta Part 1 (57-58)
21. Invastion of Pieta Part 2 (59-61) Ending with the "Lights going out"
22. Cognates of Paradise (62-64) Beth and Alica battle
23. Joined by Souls (65-67) Rafaela's story and the Seven Ghosts decide to go south.
24. The Defiant Ones (68-70) The Seven Ghosts rescue some fools...
25. Chapters 71-73 (!!) These are the last 3 chapters to be published in Shounen Jump Monthly.
26. Not yet written chapters 74-76.

That is where things need to be slowed way down or else it will continue past the current manga. Maybe we'll see some filler, hot springs or additional battles. However, episode 26 will air about the same time that chapter 76 is published so this really is possible.

This strongly implies that my hoped for "graveyard" ending which I posted here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=970500&postcount=4) and everyone was so fond of, is not really likely. If the manga runs up to chapter 76 the anime will be showing a manga chapter which isn't even written yet! The anime will air that episode just one week after it appears in Shounen Jump. Both manga readers and anime watchers will reach that point nearly simulaneously. Exciting thought, eh?

An intriguing note is that this month's chapter of Claymore was replaced by an omake of Theresa. If that hadn't bumped chapter 74 back to next month then the timing wouldn't be so close. I suspect that Yagi-sensei wrote an omake chapter specifically for that purpose. This was intended to make anime and manga reach the same point only a week apart.

Mr Hat and Clogs

2007-07-03, 00:46

I don't know about pacing, or how these author's work. But is it possible (since parts were being released monthly for a long long time) the author has a lot already stored up, so to speak, and is a lot further ahead then whats released So they may have given a lot more material to both the manga and anime publishers. It could seem to fit, with the Manga being changed to be released weekly(? sure I read that here) now and the Manga and the Anime will progress at the same rate. At least until ep 26 and S1 ends. It would let them slide into a Season 2 easier that way. *shrug*

KiNA

2007-07-03, 01:05

hollywoodlou

2007-07-03, 01:41

This is totally OOC for me.. but for once I dont feel like an onsen episode is appropriate.. :uhoh:

I still think they gonna fill in those N campaign fight with filler moves to extend the episodes .. and also the fight with Rigald.

I've read chapters 9-12 last night and the rigald fight cannot just fit into 22 minutes (or less). You can compare the fight to Clare's upcoming rumble with Ophelia which extends into 3 eps. They're gonna rush this thing...why o why did I start reading the manga again...

KiNA

2007-07-03, 01:53

That is why I say they gonna extend both the fights (against the 3 scouts) and the rigald fight as well...

khryoleoz

2007-07-03, 01:54

Well Claymore isn't DBZ or that ninja anime. I can't see Rigald's rampage taking more than one episode, two at most. The first half will show him slaughtering. The second half how he's dealt with.

NoSanninWa

2007-07-03, 04:14

It could seem to fit, with the Manga being changed to be released weekly(? sure I read that here) now

A lot of people are confused about this so I will spell it out: It is still being released monthly. The manga is now being published in a weekly magazine instead of a montly magazine, but it is still published on a monthly schedule. This means it just does not appear in 3 issues every month.

And to stay on topic: We may discover a hotsprings in the city of Pieta. It will lead to 3 episodes of fanservice which is just enough to result in the ending I was hoping for.

Mr Hat and Clogs

2007-07-03, 04:19

Ahh k, so the Magazine releases 3 time's a month, and 1 or those 3 will contain Claymore.

Right?

My memory was kinda fuzzy about it, but since you mention it like that, I can kinda recall it being mentioned like that.

ritalman

2007-07-03, 04:54

Err... No....
There's 4 weeks in a month, so 4 issues. 1 with Claymore, 3 without it.
For the 3 issues without Claymore, 3 other monthly released series are already planned.

Trax

2007-07-03, 05:04

Mr Hat and Clogs

2007-07-03, 05:05

Hmm, yeah thats right. Guess my brain wasn't on after I woke up from my nap before dinner today.

NoSanninWa

2007-07-03, 06:11

Well if they continue at the current pace (about 3 chapters per episode) then not only would the anime end in a pretty bad spot, it would require some stretching and/or filler. I do hope there won't be a hot springs episode or something along those lines, it just would feel very out of place in Claymore. But to end the anime at a better spot, either the pacing would have to go down significantly or there'd have to be several episodes of filler.

It's a bad spot for the series to end? How do you know that? Have you already read chapters 74-76? Considering that those three chapters are still unpublished it is nearly impossible for you to know what you're talking about. You just guess that it is a pretty bad spot. For all you know it could be brilliant.

Trax

2007-07-03, 06:17

I'm not guessing anything. I was thinking it would end up at the most recent chapters, which don't seem like a good spot to end the anime. I never said anything about future chapters, you just assume I did... Besides, with all the extra scenes coming out, will the new chapters even be done before the anime gets near the end? Unless they put in the extra scenes instead.

NoSanninWa

2007-07-03, 06:28

It seems that you may have more information than I do. The recent extra scene is not a sole interruption in the narative? It is merely the first of many?

That is... interesting. It completely messes up my new hypothesis.

Trax

2007-07-03, 06:42

It was mentioned in the manga thread, and from some of the discussion I read concerning it I assumed it was true. Although after checking the original post about it, it might just be a rumor since I haven't seen any confirmation.

Westlo

2007-07-03, 07:06

There is a lot of fight scenes coming up, they can easily drag them out a bit so we wouldn't push into Miata territory. But at this pace I defiantely don't see a graveyard scene ending, maybe one where they reveal how they survive and their decision to go south will now be the ending.

Also some extra scenes can be inputed like Raki waiting for Clare at the inn during the slayers arc to go along with extended fight scenes.

Trax

2007-07-03, 09:12

Anh_Minh

2007-07-03, 09:18

That, or the sidestories (if that is indeed a plural) that are being published now. Though I'm afraid it would break the flow of the story.

Trax

2007-07-03, 09:23

True, since the episode titles are already known, there isn't any good spot to insert such a sidestory anymore. After the current arc, or the next Riful arc would have been suitable but the episode titles show that it won't happen. Between War of the North and Invasion of Pieta doesn't seem like a good time to interrupt the main story, and ending the series with sidestories wouldn't feel right either.

hollywoodlou

2007-07-03, 17:11

Well Claymore isn't DBZ or that ninja anime. I can't see Rigald's rampage taking more than one episode, two at most. The first half will show him slaughtering. The second half how he's dealt with.

The Rigald fight scene is very integral to the flow of the story.

My take is that Rigald awakens, kills you-know-who and in the end of that episode, Clare grows some skates.

Beggining of next ep...Rigald kicks the bucket from Clare. 2nd half of that episode, continue dialogue....

NoSanninWa

2007-07-03, 17:29

Well if they need to it shouldn't be a problem to insert some sidestories between the arcs. Some anime original side story could be interesting. By the way, would the anime production really work with brandnew material from the manga? I would think they'd plan out the episodes from the start with the material available at that time. Well I guess they could adjust the planning a bit along the way, but still.

It would be highly unusual, but not impossible if the mangaka was willing to work closely with anime production by sharing his advance sketches and plot outlines. And only the very last chapter won't be published until the penultimate chapter published 5 weeks before the last episode. Yeah, it would be tight, but not impossible.

A lot depends on how many "special chapters" are being released before the story resumes. If there is a second, then this schedule becomes impossible.

dutchman

2007-07-07, 01:15

H'm this is very interesting all this speculating:) I checked ANDB for the last known titles and they are currently
15 The Witch`s Maw (Part 1)
16 The Witch`s Maw (Part 2)
17 The Witch`s Maw (Part 3)
18 The North War (Part 1)
19 The North War (Part 2)

Since in the manga the part with Riful and Dauf/Duff took about 1 1/2 manga (vol 8and halfway vol 9) So lets say roughly 1/2 manga for each episode.

Would it be an wild guess to estimate that since the Pieta war/N-campaign took place from volume 9 1/2 to volume 11 that the North War ARC in the anime version will take about 5 episodes? And thus ends at episode 23?

Is it really confirmed that Claymore will be 26 episodes long?

Because if it isn't then they could finish the anime after the 7 year time skip (as NSW predicted a long time ago). Only this would be at episode 24 instead of 26 if the anime keeps this pacing.

Of course this is only speculation. And this whole idea just fails if Claymore is indeed scheduled for 26 episodes.

Because if the anime is indeed scheduled for 26 episodes then an ending at this spot in the manga http://www.onemanga.com/Claymore/67/30-31/ with Clare and the rest of the sexy seven/seven ghost ready to leave there hiding spot for their quest for vengeance seems a more reasonable ending point for the anime.

NoSanninWa

2007-07-07, 02:56

Yeah, I did an episode-by-episode breakdown of future episodes to manga chapters and came to the same conclusion that my dream ending would happen in episode 23 if they stuck to the current pacing for this show.

20. Invastion of Pieta Part 1 (57-58)
21. Invastion of Pieta Part 2 (59-61) Ending with the "Lights going out"
22. Cognates of Paradise (62-64) Beth and Alica battle
23. Joined by Souls (65-67) Rafaela's story, Graveyard scene and the Seven Ghosts decide to go south.
24. The Defiant Ones (68-70) The Seven Ghosts rescue some fools...
25. Chapters 71-73 (!!) These are the last 3 chapters to be published in Shounen Jump Monthly.
26. Not yet written chapters 74-76.
Even more shocking is that episode 26 would be based on still unpublished chapters of Claymore! I think that the pacing is going to have to change or else we'll have 3 episodes at the Pieta hotsprings.

Negativedark

2007-07-07, 08:11

hollywoodlou

2007-07-07, 14:58

Lets face it, right after the Slashers would have been the best time for the hotsprings episode. Helen keeps trying to peek on Raki! Is that a Yoma sneaking around or is just a pervert? Hilarity ensues!

OK..the hot springs episode will be a surprise...episode 27!! There are some animes that have an extra "bonus" episode (e.g. Amaenaideyo Katsu 2) which is a story right after the series ending. Most bonus episodes are nonsense BUt they are also fun to watch.

PakSniper786

2007-07-07, 19:44

hollywoodlou

2007-07-08, 02:10

I believe this is going to be Season 1 (# 26 ep), and their might be more and that #26 might be the climax of the series and the rest might focus on the fights to being down the Abyssal Ones.

PS: How come I can't see my .gif signature I uploaded it, or do I have to put the link in from the other thread with signatures we can use?

OK, we have what...13 episodes left (13 weeks, 3 months which makes the series end in October)? I added the info (from dxnato) that November will be the latest we will see of the "Miata/Clarice" tandem going after "Ms Claymore". Now that's a long time. Could it be that the last episode involve those 3 as well?

NibelungTaisa

2007-07-08, 02:11

Looking thru wiki, it says that there are only 13 volumes out for Claymore. If plans go according to NSW's breakdown, then if I want to keep up with Claymore in the manga, or where the anime would leave of at in the manga, I should start buying the manga from volume 12-13 on?

KiNA

2007-07-08, 02:41

OK, we have what...13 episodes left (13 weeks, 3 months which makes the series end in October)? I added the info (from dxnato) that November will be the latest we will see of the "Miata/Clarice" tandem going after "Ms Claymore". Now that's a long time. Could it be that the last episode involve those 3 as well?

You honestly believe that anime would willing to stop the series before what probably the first true clash fight between old generation (ie Galatea) and new generation (ie Miata) ?

:twitch:

hollywoodlou

2007-07-08, 15:38

You honestly believe that anime would willing to stop the series before what probably the first true clash fight between old generation (ie Galatea) and new generation (ie Miata) ?

:twitch:

IMHO...yes. Ms Claymore and Miata aren't the stars here..it's Clare and what happens to her. It's about timing. By my calculations with 13 eps left, they will MOST probably introduce Miata or Clarice in the FINAL episode and that will carry unto season 2.

I want to see that fight. BUT as I've said, if the new mag which carries Claymore publishes in November and Claymore followers already know the outcome of that superfight, why would they buy the manga, except to compare the animation vs the manga artistry...

NoSanninWa

2007-07-08, 16:00

You honestly believe that anime would willing to stop the series before what probably the first true clash fight between old generation (ie Galatea) and new generation (ie Miata) ?

:twitch:If that's true then my episode-manga breakdown is accurate, the pace won't slow down and the 3 next unpublished chapters really will comprise episode 26. I confess that it will be a dramatic way to end the series.

PakSniper786

2007-07-08, 18:03

If that's true then my episode-manga breakdown is accurate, the pace won't slow down and the 3 next unpublished chapters really will comprise episode 26. I confess that it will be a dramatic way to end the series.

When you talk about ending the series, do you mean the end of this season or the series as a whole and their wouldn't be anything after that?

Trax

2007-07-08, 19:19

Is it really confirmed that Claymore will be 26 episodes long?

Coincidentily, happened to have the same thought today. Not having 26 episodes (but more like 23 or 24) would circumvent some of the possible problems, and enable the NSW ending I'd like to see, so I wondered if the number is actually correct.

KiNA

2007-07-08, 22:09

IMHO...yes. Ms Claymore and Miata aren't the stars here..it's Clare and what happens to her. It's about timing. By my calculations with 13 eps left, they will MOST probably introduce Miata or Clarice in the FINAL episode and that will carry unto season 2.

I want to see that fight. BUT as I've said, if the new mag which carries Claymore publishes in November and Claymore followers already know the outcome of that superfight, why would they buy the manga, except to compare the animation vs the manga artistry...

It would leave a bad taste to the anime only no matter what outcome is.. >_<

:topicoff: Yey, my freebie clare moe sig got an owner ^^

hollywoodlou

2007-07-09, 00:26

It would leave a bad taste to the anime only no matter what outcome is.. >_<

:topicoff: Yey, my freebie clare moe sig got an owner ^^

Yeah...I hope the last ep 26 would run 1 HOUR but that's too much of a fantasy. I'm with you..I want to see crazy Miata vs Ms Claymore but we've got 3 more months to speculate.

NSW's "schedule" looks good at this point...

Bikerider

2007-07-09, 01:43

It could be the extras published in Jump Weekly to October will make up the final eps

Salamandra

2007-07-09, 09:13

They should make 10 alternate endings (9 of them being anime-original endings), and make them all feature length.

hollywoodlou

2007-07-09, 14:53

It could be the extras published in Jump Weekly to October will make up the final eps

I would be ecstatic to see Teresa-sama's "tussle" with Rosemary show up in ep 26 anime , but realistically in order for that to happen....last episode 26 should run 1 HOUR.

PakSniper786

2007-07-09, 15:41

I have one question, even after the 26th episode will that be the end of Claymore, or just the end of Season #1 and later they will have more anime to continue after 26 (to finish off Claymore)?

NoSanninWa

2007-07-09, 16:13

I have one question, even after the 26th episode will that be the end of Claymore, or just the end of Season #1 and later they will have more anime to continue after 26 (to finish off Claymore)?
There is no declared intent. Unless they are creating an anime original ending, I doubt that the studio knows the answer to this question either.

It is most likely that they are going to wait 5 years to decide if Claymore is popular enough to animate the second half of the manga.

hollywoodlou

2007-07-10, 00:35

There is no declared intent. Unless they are creating an anime original ending, I doubt that the studio knows the answer to this question either.

It is most likely that they are going to wait 5 years to decide if Claymore is popular enough to animate the second half of the manga.

5 years!!?? I read somewhere that Nobohiro yagi stated that he'll run the series until vol 25 and we are currently at 13. I just hope my interest in Claymore won't wane by that time...

In 5 years time, Raki and Clare will....oh God (shudder). Damn it Priscilla, you'd better eat Raki...:heh:

PakSniper786

2007-07-10, 01:31

5 years!!?? I read somewhere that Nobohiro yagi stated that he'll run the series until vol 25 and we are currently at 13. I just hope my interest in Claymore won't wane by that time...

In 5 years time, Raki and Clare will....oh God (shudder). Damn it Priscilla, you'd better eat Raki...:heh:

:twitch: If we wait for Vol. 25 of the manga it will take forever considering 1 chapter comes out each month that will be like 5 years for him to finish off the series. I just hope he goes weekly, he could make the story line and have an assistant draw for him like other Mangaka (Then I still have 2 years of college, so I will think of it as my part time study - once a month class in manga)

* Also, for future reference can you get a link of him giving the interview of his Vol. 25 declaration?

hollywoodlou

2007-07-10, 13:13

:twitch: If we wait for Vol. 25 of the manga it will take forever considering 1 chapter comes out each month that will be like 5 years for him to finish off the series. I just hope he goes weekly, he could make the story line and have an assistant draw for him like other Mangaka (Then I still have 2 years of college, so I will think of it as my part time study - once a month class in manga)

* Also, for future reference can you get a link of him giving the interview of his Vol. 25 declaration?

I got the info from Mod NSW, and I have no clue where NSW got it from...

So how many chapters in a volume? 4, I think. 1 chapter per month...dude, I could have grandkids by the time the story is over.:heh:

NoSanninWa

2007-07-11, 05:17

Unfortunately I also heard about that on this forum. It would be nice to track it to its source.

And there are 6 chapters in each volume. Hence the 5 years.

Negativedark

2007-07-11, 07:48

Pfft. 5 years is nothing. I've spent double that looking for specific movies.

hollywoodlou

2007-07-11, 13:11

Pfft. 5 years is nothing. I've spent double that looking for specific movies.

Apples and oranges. I spent YEARS collecting X-Men and JUstice League comics since I was 8, but Claymore is a whole different beast. If N Yagi (reportedly) said vol 25 is the last of the series, avid readers can't wait for the next issue.

Unlike X-men et al, I keep saying "when is this frggin series gonna end, I keep spending $3 for every comic here.":heh:

KiNA

2007-07-12, 02:20

Well, one have to wonder, if he really really have set the volume chapter to stone, anime producer could prolly take a peek and get ready for 2nd season, assuming that we already reach halfway tru the story >.<

Or the speed of chapter release could prolly be increased. >.<

So instead of waiting for 5 years, we down to waiting for 2 years >.<

*twindle fingers*

stormy001_M1A2

2007-07-12, 04:58

Well, I prefer the artist take his time producing good quality stuff. I don't mind to wait, afterall this story is like a fine wine. A patient hunter always gets the prey. His other work, Legend of Angels or Angel Densetsu took him 8 years to finish. So I don't mind to wait for another 5 years. Hell, I prefer it this way so Yohiro Nagi can create an exquisite and well planned manga for greater, sublime enjoyment. Claymore started around 2001 -2002 so it is pretty old manga series.

Afterall, Yoshiyuki Sadamoto's Evangelion manga already run for 10 years and honestly it is great stuff

Barklight

2007-07-12, 09:28

Well, there are two possibilities :

If they decide to make a 2nd season, the choices for an ending are pretty limited since they would have to follow the manga.
You have to consider two things : they can't end the season just anywhere, it has to be a key scene, and they can't begin the 2nd season just anywhere either.

The first season can't end before the claymores are wiped out in Pieta, because that would mean the second one would start with most of them dying. Re-introducing the characters just to have them die is stupid. To the anime viewers, that would feel like : "After thinking and making you wait for 5 years, I've run out of ideas so let's restart from scratch".

But they can't go too far either, because the end would interrupt the new action, and that would mean starting the 2nd season in the middle of a situation no one understands.

So they don't have much choice : they have to end it after the "lights going out" (doesn't feel right) or after the graveyard scene like it has been said, without telling the viewer which claymores survived. That way in the second season they would just have to show that again in the first half of the first episode, much like a summary.

But if the 2nd season never cames, anything is possible. It can follow the manga, hoping that the viewers will want to read it, or just make an ending (good luck to them if they want to explain raphaela's past, what happens to Raki and to the 3 AOs...). Let's pray this doesn't happen.

The alternative being releasing OVAs every now and then, but that would mean a lot of content if they hope to finish the story...

Fenrir_valindri

2007-07-12, 12:45

Actually I thought of a deliciously evil ending, after the war in the north, when Isley and Lucerea finish fighting.
Riful shows up at this point although, originally, we did not learn this till later. We get the whole, Priscilla will ownz you moment, then it skips ahead to Riful talking to someone about the entire situation and asking her if she will join her and awaken, camera pans to "gasp" Clare :D Series ends, in one of the most evil ways possible :D

PakSniper786

2007-07-12, 12:46

I read an article from a manga website (By Shonen people), where it said their will be another important message on Claymore on Nov. 2 (I believe it said, something about Anime or Manga).

hollywoodlou

2007-07-12, 13:35

I read an article from a manga website (By Shonen people), where it said their will be another important message on Claymore on Nov. 2 (I believe it said, something about Anime or Manga).

I think I know what it is...buy the manga. Just kidding.

Hmmm, Nov 2 is the date that the anime series ends, AND the "filler" episodes which we've been reading so far.

2nd season..confirmed? (whistling...)

jor8888

2007-07-12, 19:35

hollywoodlou

2007-07-12, 23:08

I think I'm in the majority here...it HAS got to be the Pieta Claymore cemetery as the last scene in the last episode. OR...

When a certain someone enters the room 7 years after Pieta : "Hi, I'm Clarice and I'm number 47."

TinyRedLeaf

2007-07-13, 04:09

Yeah, I did an episode-by-episode breakdown of future episodes to manga chapters and came to the same conclusion that my dream ending would happen in episode 23 if they stuck to the current pacing for this show.

Even more shocking is that episode 26 would be based on still unpublished chapters of Claymore! I think that the pacing is going to have to change or else we'll have 3 episodes at the Pieta hotsprings.

This is what I got:
20. The North War III: Isley trains Raki. He receives Rigald's report, and orders the obliteration of Pieta. Miria marshals her forces, and battle is joined. Rigald identifies and kills the leaders.

21. The North War IV (?): Deneve, Helen and Clare desperately defend Miria. Clare awakens her limbs to defeat Rigald. Jean pulls Clare back from Awakening.

22. tbc: Last stand in Pieta. The lights go out. Alicia and Beth destroy a part of Isley's army. Galatea goes rogue. Isley confronts Luciela. Rafaela observes from a distance.

23. tbc: Isley and Luciela clash. Rafaela recalls how she met Teresa. Rubel brings Rafaela back into the Organisation. Luciela escapes, only to be killed by Rafaela.

24. tbc: Clarice arrives to the ruins of Pieta. Seven ghosts save the warriors from three Awakened Beings. Clarice discovers the mass grave. Clare decides to go south. The rest follow.

25. tbc: Clarice is debriefed in Sutafu, and becomes Miata's 'guardian'. The seven ghosts confront Riful. Clarice and Miata begin hunting Galatea.

26. tbc: Clarice spends 'bonding time' with Miata. Miata massacares scores of youma, and eventually tracks down a powerful Claymore in a big city.

(The anime would have caught up to the manga by this point? In which case, it's highly possible that it would turn out as NSW has suggested - the manga and anime may reveal the identity of the hidden Claymore at the same time!)

Is the 26-episode run confirmed beyond doubt? I don't know ANN's source, but could they have got it wrong? Because, looking at the above, Ep.24 would seem like a good place to end.

But if Ep.26 is indeed planned to coincide with the manga, then that would be one piece of incredibly slick marketing. :p

NoSanninWa

2007-07-13, 04:25

That would be one very slick piece of marketing indeed.

Is the 26-episode run confirmed beyond doubt? I don't know ANN's source, but could they have got it wrong? Because, looking at the above, Ep.24 would seem like a good place to end.
This question has been asked several times, but nobody seems to have an answer. I'd love to hear a source or evidence from the official webpage, moonphase or anything reliable. Unfortunately nobody has yet come forward with this information. I agree that at this point ep 24 is looking like a better ending. It wouldn't be the first time that ANN was wrong about something.

hollywoodlou

2007-07-13, 12:27

Bikerider

2007-07-13, 13:54

Nodame Cantabile anime has only 23 eps for it's first season

hollywoodlou

2007-07-13, 14:32

Nodame Cantabile anime has only 23 eps for it's first season

You're right...BUT it sucks, and it's not Claymore.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-07-13, 17:02

Not really. Nodame is quite decent anime, but nothing special about it.

kageyame

2007-07-23, 07:24

I have never heard of an anime series ending at ep 23. The norm for any series that goes past 20 is 25/26. I also think Claymore fans will be ecstatic if the prods were able to "stretch" the series unto ep 26, if some posters think ep 23 is the last ep. In the end, my gut feeling sez' ep 26 is the last episode for the anime.

Not quite, many series end at episode 23/24. some examples:

Ergo proxy
Aa megami sama (2005)
Bakuretsu Tenshi
Basilisk
Fate/Stay Night
Kanon (2006)
Scrapped Princess

hollywoodlou

2007-07-23, 12:45

Not quite, many series end at episode 23/24. some examples:

Ergo proxy
Aa megami sama (2005)
Bakuretsu Tenshi
Basilisk
Fate/Stay Night
Kanon (2006)
Scrapped Princess

My point is it SHOULD be 26. The upcoming ep NEXT WEEK (NOT this week) start of the Northern campaign should take minimum 6 episodes. People just start relying on Wiki, a website of w/c anyone can manipulate/change the info and take it as gospel.

kageyame

2007-07-23, 13:40

Sorry, you lost me there, what does wiki has to do with anything related to my post?

hollywoodlou

2007-07-23, 21:38

Sorry, you lost me there, what does wiki has to do with anything related to my post?

and where exactly in my post did I mention u had anything to do with wiki? Read it again and get over yourself.

NoSanninWa

2007-07-23, 23:42

He (and I) are puzzled why you brought up wiki if it was completely unrelated to your response. Are you saying that your mention of wikipedia was a complete non sequitur? If so, please pardon us the misunderstanding.

Please explain why you brought up wikipedia's lack of reliability. We are all lost about why you mentioned it.

KiNA

2007-07-24, 00:52

and where exactly in my post did I mention u had anything to do with wiki? Read it again and get over yourself.

You've quoted him and commented on wiki in the very same paragraph..

blackmarks

2007-07-24, 23:33

i'm thinking the great exinction of pieta ought to be 2nd to last episode. then in the last episode should be Riful killing silly boys in the West, Alicia Beth killing silly boys in the East, and Isley battling Luciana in the South, where afterwards Luciana is reunited with Rafaela. and Rafaela kills her.

that sets the table for an OVA or a second season, opening with 17 claymore graves, clare finds evidence of raki, clarice meets with organization (some exposition to help the newbs), P7 head south, meet Riful, and rescue hunting party.

i guess what i'm saying is end the season at the timeskip.

Sordes Pilosus

2007-07-25, 17:51

Well Episode 17 just told us quite alot unless its shown in start of episode 18. Alicia wasent introduced where she should be. This tells us quite alot, it means Alicia most likly will have 0 apperance in the series. Which leads to only two options.

They either remove the entire bit of warfare between the Abyssal ones at the end and show the "revival" at the ending where most belive it will end. With the Gravemarkers ending. Which means that Clare's battle with the Silver Lion king will be the shows very Climax, and from there its just the 5mins needed to show the revivial before the show ends. A good setting for those that havent seen the manga and wants to know what happends next. Or it will end with their Deaths the 5mins before Gravemarkers. Perhaps the Abyssal fights gets added to the Dvd's or something as extra material.

Reppa

2007-07-25, 18:51

If they don't compleatly leve it open then I wouldn't be suprised if there is a seaon 2

Sordes Pilosus

2007-07-25, 18:55

For it to be a season 2. They hafto set the grounds for it. If they dont introduce Alicia they are basicly saying there wont be any. Unless they add it as a Ova for one of the Dvd's or something. Alicia is a KEY figure in the manga where its heading from now on. And as Claymore is pretty clear on following the manga rather closely there wont be any material available unless they keap the key figures.

Look closely at Episode 17. They have cut out 2 Important things.
1: The elements where Riful states about someone watching. This was of the most important facts of these chapters in the manga
2: The introducting of Alicia following this conversation started by Riful.

Unless they introduce this at the start of Episode 18 alongside the second apperance of Rafaela there wont be a second season. They will then basicly have stated Claymore is a 1 season show.

JackReaper666

2007-07-25, 22:12

Spoilers ahead

According to Anime News Network, The Northern Campaign is going to wrap up in 3 episodes (18 to 20). Episode 21 & 22 is going to be the Invasion of Pieta. This leaves 4 more episodes, which is a lot if you think about how many manga chapters are compressed into one anime episode. In fact, it might be enough to go beyond the appearance of the 7 ghosts. For example, episode 23 can do the twin/sister arc, episode 24 can do the appearance of the 7 ghosts and start of the Clarice/Miata journey, episode 25 can do reappearance of Riful and the continuation of the Clarice/Miata journey until they arrive at the City where Miata sense the strong Yoki, and finally, episode 26 can be the big finale.

Anh_Minh

2007-07-26, 00:34

Bah. It won't be too late for them to introduce Alicia at the same time they introduce her to Galatea.

KiNA

2007-07-26, 01:07

The anime already replaced her name with Flora in Ophelia's dialogue, and in the current episode, removed her scene altogether, So I'd say its a pretty good indication that both dark twin will not show up in the anime...

ItachiGT

2007-07-26, 14:11

Hm if there will be a 2nd season, we will most probably wait about 2-3 years:upset::upset:.

NoSanninWa

2007-07-26, 16:12

More like 5-6 years. Do the math yourself.

(1 chapter a month, 6 chapters to the volume, 12 volumes.)

Reppa

2007-07-26, 16:26

Hm if there will be a 2nd season, we will most probably wait about 2-3 years:upset::upset:.

I depending on hoe popluar the show is they might just got into fillers or take a compleatly differnt rout.

ItachiGT

2007-07-26, 17:18

Hope not, tehy will make anime-fillers!

Naruto-fillers:frustrated::rolleyes::heh: imo the biggest shit ever, it completely destroyed the anime for me!

Reppa

2007-07-26, 17:39

Hope not, tehy will make anime-fillers!

Naruto-fillers:frustrated::rolleyes::heh: imo the biggest shit ever, it completely destroyed the anime for me!

Nauto is just Pokemon with ninjas. It was doomed from the start.:D

Flora20709

2007-07-26, 23:55

Nauto is just Pokemon with ninjas. It was doomed from the start.:D

Well As Much As i Hate It :frustrated::frustrated::D
Doest Look Like Its Doomed {Look AT The Amount Of Viewers}:heh:

zato_1one

2007-07-27, 00:06

I start to believe that this series will has only 23-24 episode. :upset:

Invasion of Pieta may be the final arc. :sad:

flor2orig

2007-07-28, 15:01

I start to believe that this series will has only 23-24 episode. :upset:

Invasion of Pieta may be the final arc. :sad:

Still 26 episodes all....

I think the northern campaign has lot of episodes and the last episodes of this season is the comeback of the 7th ghost....

I believe there is a second season....

flor2orig

2007-07-28, 15:27

Look closely at Episode 17. They have cut out 2 Important things.
1: The elements where Riful states about someone watching. This was of the most important facts of these chapters in the manga

Just clarification...

True in anime they cut it...

Someone watching, I cant remember what exactly word she used...but the explanation...She didnt want to measure her power by whom? Galatea? We know galatea can read yoki even she hide it...or priscilla? she has ability also to read even in the long distance....

Seska

2007-07-28, 15:50

Are we talking about the Manga scene now? Small hint, some one above the #3 rank.... We need you to make 30% stronger.. She only repeats it...

kageyame

2007-07-30, 07:02

Just clarification...

True in anime they cut it...

Someone watching, I cant remember what exactly word she used...but the explanation...She didnt want to measure her power by whom? Galatea? We know galatea can read yoki even she hide it...or priscilla? she has ability also to read even in the long distance....

Riful senses someone whatching the fight, but didn't say who, and while not shown, it's clear on the scene that It's Alicia is the one who's observing, it hints that the full reason of the fight is to force Riful into combat, so Alicia could measure her power and decide if she has change of victory, which shes says shes didn't (she says that as best she'll could cause 50% damage on Riful before she's killed).

Zilveari

2007-07-31, 00:15

I think the end of ep 26(possibly after the closing credits) will show the north group take out those three awakened beings, then show colored hair #47 chick looking at the 17 Claymores stuck in the snowy ground. That would be sweet.

Davitz

2007-07-31, 09:33

i think they should end it when isley and priscilla are talkin bout candles going out referring to the claymores like wen they say 1 left... theyve all gone out or sumthin

D a m i e n

2007-07-31, 10:45

it s either what davitz wrote or they are going for an alternative ending with priscilla and isley going to attack the village -> then random_epic_battle_0034-> Claire and Raki make up and live happy for the rest of their life-> credit-> Shift+Suppr folder claymore-> are you sure-> yes

SatanicZero

2007-07-31, 11:03

i hope they don't end it with an alter ending...like what they did with FMA

tritoch

2007-08-02, 07:06

Best way to end it is..

claire's awakening.. Ligardes zantetsuken

Just clarification...

True in anime they cut it...

Someone watching, I cant remember what exactly word she used...but the explanation...She didnt want to measure her power by whom? Galatea? We know galatea can read yoki even she hide it...or priscilla? she has ability also to read even in the long distance....

might be because we might not ever see Alicia/Beth in action cause they might end it at the pieta scenario.

Panzerklein

2007-08-02, 07:59

Best way to end it is..

claire's awakening.. Ligardes zantetsuken

might be because we might not ever see Alicia/Beth in action cause they might end it at the pieta scenario.

In preview for ep.19, we can see Claymores' Graveyard, it mean Pieta Campain will end at around ep 19~20

kageyame

2007-08-02, 08:18

In preview for ep.19, we can see Claymores' Graveyard, it mean Pieta Campain will end at around ep 19~20

I don't know how accurate that list is, but both anidb and ANN gives this list of episodes:

The North Wat (Part 2): 2007-08-07
The North War (Part 3): 2007-08-14
Invasion of Pieta (Part 1): 2007-08-21
Invasion of Pieta (Part 2): 2007-08-28

The fact that the graveyard scene was in the preview of episode 18 baffled me as well...

Riful

2007-08-02, 17:18

that means the fight against those 3 AB, Clare vs Flora, Deneve + Undine (maybe the graveyard in the preview is from her flashback?), Raki + Isley will take another 2 episodes and then the real invasion with Rigardo will take place.

I really wonder where they'll put Alicia/Beth and Luciela. Luciela maybe at the same time as the fight in Pieta, making Isley leave sooner for the south ... which would cut out the "candles" scene. >.<

Can't imagine though that they will respect the timeline of the manga, which would make Clare not appear in the last episodes.

Davitz

2007-08-02, 18:50

i would of thought they would get everything before the time skip over and done with, and i hope they dont miss out anything like the dauf vs awakened ones or alicia/beth, or any key parts like that..... and noo they musnt cut the candles scene its the best! :P

KiNA

2007-08-09, 02:27

Well well.. it seems more and more clear now that we going to have an anime original ending with priscilla as the end boss >.<

Heck, Rigald might even excluded so we get Isley -> Priscilla boss fight to end the series >.<

NoSanninWa

2007-08-09, 02:43

Well well.. it seems more and more clear now that we going to have an anime original ending with priscilla as the end boss >.<

Why do you think that? The scene was basically the same as in the manga.

RecurringNightmare

2007-08-09, 02:46

More like 5-6 years. Do the math yourself.

(1 chapter a month, 6 chapters to the volume, 12 volumes.)

I thought about this myself, and even though that makes sense, things are being paced somewhat slowly in the anime. Scenes that are quick reads in the manga are prolonged and take a while to get through in the anime.

It's not entirely impossible that we'll get a cliffhanger ending here, and in a year or two, a second (Possibly shorter.) season/movie/whatever, and the rest resolved after that in a third season/movie/whatever. It's not the first time that something like that has happened. Just look at Evangelion and Full Metal Panic: Eva's really getting old and still pumping out material, and FMP had a long season- short season- long season (And an OVA in there somewhere.) thing goin for it.

Of course, that's all reliant that they don't make up their own ending... It'd be a pity to see the surface of the Claymore universe barely scratched in anime form, though...

KiNA

2007-08-09, 03:32

Why do you think that? The scene was basically the same as in the manga.

Just a hunch :p

They diverting too much from manga currently.. They've removed Clare and Flora battle .. I really wont expect them to add it later .. not when all the subtle hints was removed from the episode so far. So is the Deneve and undine little chat. Means that there are never gonna be a chance for Flora and Undine to be developed. They could prolly be spared to be involved in end boss as canon fodder probably >.<

AND if they do go for the alternate anime only ending, Rigald would be a surplus. .. there's 7 episodes and they have to deal with 3 bosses.. Too much IMO.

Also, with Raki got captured as slave was removed also, so definitely different from the manga.. The anime really tying up for this series to end in 1 single season >.<

Just IMHO.

Priscilla in the OP in AB form is also bugging me >.<

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-09, 04:34

Actually the preview for episode 20 appears to have a brief glimpse of the start of the Flora vs Clare fight, so I am going to reserve my judgement until then, they might add the part with Undine in as well.

NoSanninWa

2007-08-09, 04:58

Just a hunch :p

They diverting too much from manga currently.. They've removed Clare and Flora battle .. I really wont expect them to add it later .. not when all the subtle hints was removed from the episode so far. So is the Deneve and undine little chat. Means that there are never gonna be a chance for Flora and Undine to be developed. They could prolly be spared to be involved in end boss as canon fodder probably >.<

I really expect both of those things to happen in episode 20. They both happen after this fight and before the next. The next fight hasn't started yet, so there is still time for both events. They didn't do them in this episode because it was only 22 minutes long.

TinyRedLeaf

2007-08-09, 05:49

That's why I'm curious to find out how the animators are going to insert Deneve's chat with Undine now. After all, in the manga, Undine was upset because she nearly awakened. Why would she be upset in the anime now? Because she is afraid for all the warriors? Because having understood Miria's intentions, she realised that they were all doomed to die?

I don't know. Depending how Madhouse handles that scene, I may or may not end up hating Episode 20. :|

Vertago

2007-08-09, 09:14

i think they should end it when isley and priscilla are talkin bout candles going out referring to the claymores like wen they say 1 left... theyve all gone out or sumthin

The candles he is referring to in that scene refer to the awakened beings that are getting killed, not the claymores.

kageyame

2007-08-09, 09:32

The candles he is referring to in that scene refer to the awakened beings that are getting killed, not the claymores.

No, they are talking about the Claymores, so much that Priscilla says that all up to the last candle has burned out. (and 23 AO walked away alive by the end of the battle IIRC)

About the Ending, some changes has keeping me worried as well, mainly Raki's change of reason to going North

Now, the events about truth of the north will make no sense, because if Raki was there searching for Clare, why would he go back south, and, latter on, what would motivate Clare to go back south after him? those event are critical in the manga, so this change is pretty big indeed.

Undine scene also has importance, the main reason of her breakdown is her near awakening.

So, these, coupled with the total exclusion of Alicia name so Far Paint a diferent Scenario.

Of course an original ending may still create a cliffhanger, but I see it dificult to connect with events of the manga for an possible second season.

Valerion

2007-08-09, 11:30

I agree that Pieta will be the end of this season in the anime. It gives a good "Chapter 1 end" kind of transition to the anime.

But what the crap do I know? I'm still waiting on them to continue with the Berserk anime.

Zybon

2007-08-09, 15:17

Heres how I think the last 7 episodes will play out:Im guessing 20 will have Flora vs Clare, Isley training Raki, maybe Deneve interacting with Undine, and the main AB army being sent at the end.

21 would be the fighting against the AB army and the first part of the boss battle vs Rigald.

22 would be Clare vs Rigald

23 would be the aftermath of 22, fighting it out with the rest of the ABs, the organization & Galatea talking, and Isley/Priscilla/Raki going south

24 would have the Abyssal ones fighting + Alicia

25 would have to have Rafaela's flashback and "reuniting" with her sister. The end might be the 7 year jump and the new crew being saved by the veterans (possibly beginning of next ep.)

26 would have the veterans discussing things (and fighting) after 7 years and I'm guessing it'll end with the last page of chapter 67 (them deciding to go back south after all this time)I don't think they could fabricate an ending with so many loose ends.

Nesty

2007-08-09, 15:59

the final last part of ep 26 has to be when...

Claris finds the claymore sword graves after being rescued and the camera shold tilt up to reveal black silouettes of the team of 7 that survived

Kazidoom

2007-08-09, 16:41

the final last part of ep 26 has to be when...

Claris finds the claymore sword graves after being rescued and the camera shold tilt up to reveal black silouettes of the team of 7 that survived

I hope not. I don't want to wait 5 years for ClarisxMiata :heh:

Mentar

2007-08-09, 16:55

Is it really necessary to spoiler a thread which basically only CONSISTS of spoilers?

20 will be Northern Campaign III
21+22 will be the Invasion of Pieta

all this leaves us 4 eps to conclude things. Here's my prediction:

23: Aftermath. Riful/Duff make short work of the west. Beginning of Easley-Lucrezia
24: Rafaela-Lucrezia backstory. Alicia/Beth/Galatea/Rubel
25: Claris/Miata. More Organization backstory
26: The Magnicifent Seven - backstory and their decision to return for revenge

If we're very very very lucky (I'd love to see it this way), then the Aftermath ep23 is pulled into 22, winning us one extra ep. In this case we MIGHT be able to get one episode for my pure enjoyment: Riful manhandling the cocky new Claymore bunch before the Fab Four ride to their rescue. In this case, the finish would be the scene with Audrey telling Rachel that they've just been rescued by the wraiths of the past.

I'm not holding my breath, but it might work, and it would be pure win and awesome ^_^

Zybon

2007-08-09, 17:33

Is it really necessary to spoiler a thread which basically only CONSISTS of spoilers?I was thinking the same thing, but everyone else was doing it ;).
20 will be Northern Campaign III
21+22 will be the Invasion of Pieta

all this leaves us 4 eps to conclude things. Here's my prediction:

23: Aftermath. Riful/Duff make short work of the west. Beginning of Easley-Lucrezia
24: Rafaela-Lucrezia backstory. Alicia/Beth/Galatea/Rubel
25: Claris/Miata. More Organization backstory
26: The Magnicifent Seven - backstory and their decision to return for revenge

If we're very very very lucky (I'd love to see it this way), then the Aftermath ep23 is pulled into 22, winning us one extra ep. In this case we MIGHT be able to get one episode for my pure enjoyment: Riful manhandling the cocky new Claymore bunch before the Fab Four ride to their rescue. In this case, the finish would be the scene with Audrey telling Rachel that they've just been rescued by the wraiths of the past.
I highly doubt they will introduce Miata (Clarice's hunting party needs to be rescued first) or Riful fighting Audrey/Rachel, since this all seems like the beginning of an Arc of searching for Galatea. I think it would be too much new information for a season finale.

Trax

2007-08-10, 04:01

Episode 23 is supposedly called "Critical Point", which doesn't seem to match any manga chapter titles. Possible filler?

TinyRedLeaf

2007-08-10, 04:25

Heheh, where's the suspence in suggesting the possible last episode at this point? We're already so near the end. :eyespin:

Let's play a game! Why don't we start betting on the final episode instead? Although to be sure, I'm not sure what I could wager. :heh:

Riful

2007-08-10, 05:02

Critical Point sounds like the end of Pieta ... was a very critical moment.

Mentar's diagnostic seems a bit too optimistic, but I'd like to see that as well :D

(Lucrezia? what? that must be the most creative spelling I've seen of that so far oO; randomly shifting letters XD )

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2007-08-10, 05:13

The candles he is referring to in that scene refer to the awakened beings that are getting killed, not the claymores.

That would make more sence as to why Priscilla was crying ,why would she cry over claymore anyway however

After reading vol12 i was under the imprestion that the surving claymores had passed out from thier wounds in acordence with Miras plan involving the tablets.

Itachi-evil

2007-08-11, 05:03

Acutally, when i see all those anime finished before the manga was/is halfwy and still ongoing, it should be not such a big surprise for this anime to have its own ending;)

lufia

2007-08-12, 11:06

If you guys read the extra scene one, they tell you that on autumn they will release 222 pages, that should conclude the end of the manga.

Itachi-evil

2007-08-12, 12:38

Häh? Really no joke?

222pages full of manga-material and released at once?:twitch::eyebrow:

wnmnkh

2007-08-12, 13:21

If you guys read the extra scene one, they tell you that on autumn they will release 222 pages, that should conclude the end of the manga.

That's hard to believe. And no one who can read Japanese do not mention that before.

jinntann

2007-08-12, 15:55

better not be getting my hopes up....

Rehwyn

2007-08-13, 20:11

That would make more sence as to why Priscilla was crying ,why would she cry over claymore anyway however

Kageyame was correct in this statement:

No, they are talking about the Claymores, so much that Priscilla says that all up to the last candle has burned out. (and 23 AO walked away alive by the end of the battle IIRC)

The 23 remaining AOs went on after the battle there and were killed by Riful and Alicia as two separate groups of 11 and 12 AOs. The "candles" are the Claymore's yoki, which are completely suppressed when they lose consciousness due to the half-dose of the pill they took before the battle. The fact that Priscilla believes all the Claymores are dead is proof that Miria's plan of "faking" their deaths worked. Why she is crying has yet to be fully explained, but given how easily she and Isley use them as diversions so they can go south, I seriously doubt she's crying for the AOs.

Anyways, as for my guess of when this season will end, it highly depends on whether or not they definitely plan on doing a second season or not. I cannot find a reference at this moment (will look around more) but I believe I read that the manga publication will be moving from monthly to weekly (or it might have been biweekly... I really need to find where I read this again). If that is the case, it would not be unrealistic to believe that the mange publication is being accelerated not only due to their increased popularity but also to accommodate a second anime season in the near(er) future.

If they definitely plan on producing a second season, it seems possible that the first season will end at an unresolved moment. Priscilla commenting on the last candle going out seems like a good time, but I'm not certain there is enough material for episodes 20-26 before this point, especially when you look at the currently registered episode names (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7028&page=25). What seems more likely to me is that season 1 will end at the 7 year break or right after, with Clarice finding the swords. I think it'd be hard for them to fit all the material in that comes before this though.. so who knows.

If they don't plan on making a second season... I really have no idea where they'd end it. Based on how close the anime is to the manga so far, I doubt they'd make up an ending just to have closure. It always angers me when animes do that. :mad:

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. =P

EDIT: Okay, so I found the original page where I read it was changing to Shounen Jump Weekly, but it states that Claymore was not necessarily becoming weekly. My bad on that. =P

I did find that Claymore would be switching to Jump Square on Nov. 2nd. Unfortunately it sounds like this will be the dates of upcoming publications:

Shônen Jump #31 (2 July) >> Extra 1
Shônen Jump #36-37 (6 August) >> Extra 2
Shônen Jump #41 (3 September) >> Extra 3
Shônen Jump #45 (1 October) >> Extra 4
Jump Sq #1 (2 November) >> Chapter 74

Anyone capable of reading Japanese care to confirm this? I managed to find the Jump Square webpage but I'm not fluent enough to glean anything useful: http://jumpsq.shueisha.co.jp/ ><;;

KiNA

2007-08-13, 22:26

Do you guys ever thought of the single claymore tombstone at the end of the ED?

Coulkd prolly means Clare die at the end = no 2nd series ever =/

emu777

2007-08-13, 22:52

:eek:God, I hope not. This series at least deserves another season, if it were to end at one there would be a lot of sad pandas(a.k.a claymore fans):sad: out there.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-14, 06:04

If you guys read the extra scene one, they tell you that on autumn they will release 222 pages, that should conclude the end of the manga.

I don't think so, mate. Japanese manga scene did not work that way.

Do you guys ever thought of the single claymore tombstone at the end of the ED?

Coulkd prolly means Clare die at the end = no 2nd series ever =/

My theory is in the manga, everyone will die Ideon style. If that happens, it will be most awesome and tragic ending ever.

Scep

2007-08-14, 08:48

well there's the possibility that clare fully awakens against rigald everyone else, claymores and ABs. Then raki who has gained 1337 h4x0r sword skills kills her =O

Mentar

2007-08-15, 14:48

My my my. What a day. Here's a HUGE spoiler of relatively high importance, if you want to know about where the show is headed.

Check this link: http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/detail0023100807.html

We'll have some HUGE deviations soon, according to NEWTYPE.

o Raki and Easley/Priscilla are headed towards Pieta
o Raki sees Clare more-than-just-a-bit-awakening, but can't prevent it
o Priscilla recognizes Clare's Yoki as Teresa's

I'm a bit speechless. Obviously we're headed towards an original ending after all. We're definitely irreconcilably off-track now.

emu777

2007-08-15, 15:07

hamstar

2007-08-15, 15:33

according to this....raki will see priscilla eat a human in the next episode.

In episode 23 raki will see clare awaken and priscilla and her man will recognize teresa's youki....

ya this some major deviation. I think we will see a full fledged ending by 26 or something.

Bonta Kun

2007-08-15, 16:08

ooh sounds interesting, so its looking like its coming down to one big battle royale, I get the feeling they are gonna kill off a big number of characters:(
but as I've posted somewhere else I'm not really bothered what ending the anime throws at me as long as Cynthia stays alive. They kill her , I kill them:p

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 16:52

OMG......... Please Claymore Dont Disappoint me please :bow:
and if it is according to wat Hamstar Said ...........i hope flora doesnt die
and wat EMu said if that happened i would kill the claymore anime crew

Sakuya

2007-08-15, 17:28

Wow, I am now psyched to find out what happens. Even though it deviated from the manga, it is refreshing to see something new.

Has it been confirmed yet that it will be 26 episodes and not 24? If it's 24, then it will be so rushed. :( I'm praying that it'll be 26.

hollywoodlou

2007-08-15, 17:37

WALLOPING WEBSNAPPERS!!!!!
That is the most intersting thing Ive heard....lately
The only thing that could make this more surprising would be :

The Organization showing up with alicia completed and a huge battle royal sparking off between the fab 4 + Isley/Priscilla + Alicia/Beth. Leading to everyones death but Raki.:joke:

Emu, that's ummm interesting...;) How about this...Raphaela, Galatea and Irene join the 7 ghosts (that makes 10) and they all want revenge on the oRG. Alicia and Beth find out that the ORg has been screwing around with them since birth so that makes the group the Dirty Dozen.
Where's Raki in all of this? He gets eaten alive by Priscilla just to piss off Clare.:heh:

Now for the money shot...the ORg is defeated by the 12 and before Clare goes to battle vs Priscilla/Isley, Clare has Rubel near death and before he croaks utters: "who said we don't have the most powerful # 1 in the annals".\

Then out comes Teresa...ending shot with Clare in near tears

redmeat

2007-08-15, 18:05

Well, since they're are going for an original ending then I'm guessing that in the end...

only 3 claymores will survive the Northern Campaign, just as it's hinted in the ending song. The other other two gets killed later one way or another. Raki also dies with Clare crying over his dead body.

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 18:06

Ok and the 3 should be Clare , Miria and Flora or Helen or Denveve
and if Raki Died :bow:

Negativedark

2007-08-15, 18:36

Gonna have to wait and see.I mean is it just going to be Claires partial awakening Raki sees? Because having her fully awakened really opens a can of worms. For example they would need to ask Yagi what her fully awakened form looks like, or risk getting it really off. Second she is the main charecter, so then what if they need to do a season two? They would have to unawaken her. Not to mention killing off a different set of Claymores would compleatly mess things up. And I'd really miss Smirking Helen.

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 18:39

Well the way the anime is going dont think theree is ognna be a secong season

hollywoodlou

2007-08-15, 18:55

Well the way the anime is going dont think theree is ognna be a secong season

I read somewhere in a Japanese anime magazine 3 days ago that the top 10 animes in Japan...Claymore is mostly out of the top 10. It's ranked around 12 0r 13, and it;s getting beaten by Nanoha Strikers, Lucky Star et al. Now if the anime's future is based on ratings, it looks bleak there'll be a 2nd season.

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 18:57

oh wat was frist

Bonta Kun

2007-08-15, 18:59

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 19:05

Raki`s Death ......Powerful Emotional Scene :heh:........................Not In My World In My world they would make a Hot springs episodes to CELEBRATE HIS DEATH :p

hollywoodlou

2007-08-15, 19:07

Well it would be odd that if they do kill off Clare they basically kill off the series, and why kill off an absolutely great series - IT MAKES NO SENSE -

I'm thinking they may keep with the 7 survivors theme, just so they can keep it open for a possible 2nd season....maybe...hopefully. Still with my Cynthia living through all this, anyone else who survives is a bonus for me apart from Raki. Not that I hate him or anything, just I think his death would prove a powerful emotional scene:p

If Raki kicks the bucket, then Clare only has revenge going for her which isn't healthy for Clare's development in the story. I want Boy Useless gone as well, believe me, but he's got his uses in the bigger scope of things.
Clare dying in episode 26 isn't good either. Unless we are 100% sure there will be a 2nd season, I couldn't accept that.

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 19:13

Ok Clare dying could be bad very bad

Ok so im watching lucky star ep1 and there talking about how to eat food some1 tell me its gonna get better before i stop watching it :nono:

Bonta Kun

2007-08-15, 19:37

Raki`s Death ......Powerful Emotional Scene :heh:........................Not In My World In My world they would make a Hot springs episodes to CELEBRATE HIS DEATH :p

well that would come next the HOT SPRINGS OVA:heh:..........altho that maybe me refering to the Ikki Tousen OVAs;)

Ok Clare dying could be bad very bad

Ok so im watching lucky star ep1 and there talking about how to eat food some1 tell me its gonna get better before i stop watching it :nono:

it does get better just stick with it

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 19:45

:heh: The Ikki Tousen :p

Ok i will stick wit it {END OF TOPIC :heh:}

FlareKnight

2007-08-15, 20:26

Well guess it's not totally unexpected they would go this way. With the best guess at it taking about 6 years for them to have enough material to make a second season. Probably didn't want to leave it out there and never get back to it. Now comes down to what is going to happen here.

Raki has seen Clare come close to awakening before so that shouldn't be anything new. So assuming Clare does awaken are we going to have some massive brawl. But would they have Clare and Priscilla kill each other and let that be that? Or would they try to pull even more to a Jean with her fully awakening and still coming back?

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-15, 23:50

My pick is total Armageddon with Raki as sole survivor or total annihilation, Ideon style.

Raki will be the one who deliver coup de grace to Claire to save her from complete Awakening thus fulfill his promise of protecting her, also the last living witness from Battle of Pieta. Claire unable to restore to human side after fought and kill Priscillia in final one on one duel, begged Raki to be her executor and Raki in tears of anguish, complied and cut off her head before she is completely transform.

Jump into decades ahead.....

Credits roll as an old man hobble pitifully to the graveside of old battle, looks mournfully at rusted old swords of yesteryear's great warriors who once fought in this place in fierce snowstorm. In last gasp, he hug one particular grave marker and muttered "Claire, I am back and sorry" as last word before expired due to old age with smile on his frozen lip.

Screen fades slowly.
-------

If that is the case, it will be most awesome and beautifully tragic ending of a great anime series.

emu777

2007-08-16, 00:07

A good ending stormy, my only suggestion would be to have raki go terminator and call judgement day on the Org. Then he rises to power and becomes the new elder after wiping out all the others. Of course keeping most of the characters alive would be nice, in case of a second series.

hollywoodlou

2007-08-16, 00:15

Why does Raki live in episode 26? Just like the majority here, he should go.
Now Ep 26, everybody should die due to the battle between the ORG, Abyssals and the Slashers. Except for the young Claymore trainees who will eventually lead to newer characters going into the (doubtful) 2nd season.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-16, 00:27

Because Raki is our mirror into frightening world of Claymore. He is our foil to inhumane war between 2 non human sides with human flesh as collateral. In narration, shall he survive, he will magnify the tragedy of story more audibly to audience since we all can identify with him the most. A poem of tragedy that is similar to Japanese Private Shimizu in Letters from Iwojima or Private Ryan in Saving Private Ryan.

He is the human link and presence that brightens up Claire's bleak life and fate. In the manga, this aspect is more noticeable. There is reason why she is willing to protect him at all cost and have emotional attachment that is transcending normal relationship.