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[Pellissier]

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[Defiled one]

One word...

JESUS!!;_;

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[HinaThePrince]

GOD that stuff was painful enough in the manga.

Galatea!! <3 Can't wait to hear her talk!

[Guido]

One word...

JESUS!!;_;

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Someone at the Biology of Claymores thread posted, if Claymores do have bones?


I don't know whose arm was that? (Likely Deneve)

But I am pretty sure that this answer can be confirmed. The white thing beneath all that tissue and flesh is definitely bone and marrow.

[Negativedark]

Ouch for everyone. Double ouch for Deneve
She looks good animated.

[Fate_Archer]

Gee...Deneve must have a sharp mind to take in so much pain... ^^'

Lets see how Miria will deal with this awoken too...it seens that she is in trouble on that screen... xD

Oh God!!! Galatea finally appeared!!!
She is so wonderfull!! Can't wait to hear her voice either!! ^_^

It looks like this episode will be awesome!!

[bkg9990]

Galatea looks good on the Anime...

I so gonna enjoy watching this episode.. full of action \o\

[Xellos-_^]

i hope Galatea has a elegant voice.

[hi no ken Jebus]

Good episode the action sequences seem lacking and I know they can be better but that's what happens when madhouse is working on a crapload of shows on a given season. Anyway episode ends with Miria and Clare delivering the final blow after Clare uses her yoki energy reading hax that she inherited from Teresa. Galatea's VA wasn't all that bad I was expecting a certain someone but I'm glad it wasn't:heh:

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[stormy001_M1A2]

Looking from screenshots, it looks very fast paced and action packed. Hmmmmm.

[Archmagination2002]

Good episode the action sequences seem lacking and I know they can be better but that's what happens when madhouse is working on a crapload of shows on a given season. Anyway episode ends with Miria and Clare delivering the final blow after Clare uses her yoki energy reading hax that she inherited from Teresa. Galatea's VA wasn't all that bad I was expecting a certain someone but I'm glad it wasn't:heh:

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Clare develops that skill on her own... it wasn't inherited from Teresa. She may have gotten the idea from watching Teresa, but developing the skill to use it has taken Clare years to do.

[cors8]

Clare develops that skill on her own... it wasn't inherited from Teresa. She may have gotten the idea from watching Teresa, but developing the skill to use it has taken Clare years to do.

Well, you're right in a way. Clare does have to train herself to use that skill. However, she did inherit the ability to use that skill from Teresa. Without Teresa's flesh and blood, then it wouldn't be possible or else a lot of Claymores would be able to do it.

[IMSabbel]

Isnt that a moot point?
Clare is a claymore because of theresas flesh and blood. EVERYTHING she is able to that goes beyond normal human stuff is because of theresa...

[zetsumei]

Sounds like another good EP, can't wait till Eclipse sub is out.

[mercury lampe]

Isnt that a moot point?
Clare is a claymore because of theresas flesh and blood. EVERYTHING she is able to that goes beyond normal human stuff is because of theresa...

I think this is not as simple.

You don't take into account the possibility that clare can learn new moves if somebody else teach her. In my opinion clare inherited teresa's potential, strenght and even some of her special skills but, in spite of that fact, there is no reason to thing se can't get stronger or develop new abilities.

[Archmagination2002]

Well, you're right in a way. Clare does have to train herself to use that skill. However, she did inherit the ability to use that skill from Teresa. Without Teresa's flesh and blood, then it wouldn't be possible or else a lot of Claymores would be able to do it.

Umm.. all Claymore's can do it to some extent, otherwise they wouldn't be able to tell Yoma apart from humans.

Its just that Teresa had developed the skill to a much greater extent than the other Claymores. Most likely because that played to Teresa natural abilitys.. It is quite possible that other Claymores could train their Yoma sensing skill to equal Teresa's.. they would just have to work hard at it. Clare more than likely got the idea from Teresa, but I doubt if she inherited Teresa's talent for it.. otherwise she wouldn't be ranked #47. This is all speculation though.. we just dont know

[SimplyEd]

Umm.. all Claymore's can do it to some extent, otherwise they wouldn't be able to tell Yoma apart from humans.

Its just that Teresa had developed the skill to a much greater extent than the other Claymores. Most likely because that played to Teresa natural abilitys.. It is quite possible that other Claymores could train their Yoma sensing skill to equal Teresa's.. they would just have to work hard at it. Clare more than likely got the idea from Teresa, but I doubt if she inherited Teresa's talent for it.. otherwise she wouldn't be ranked #47



Oh! I soooo want to answer to that. Please come over to a spoiler venting thread so that i can speak freely^^

[Tempest35]

Down Mr. Claytard. :D See ya in the Spoiler Thread. :D

I'll reserve judgement on the episode until the fine folks that make up Eclipse grace us with yet another excellent fansub. Yes I am pandering.

[The-Ghost]

gar/ im still waiting for a raw, but from the caps ive seen it looks like a good ep

[SimplyEd]

Down Mr. Claytard. :D See ya in the Spoiler Thread. :D

I'll reserve judgement on the episode until the fine folks that make up Eclipse grace us with yet another excellent fansub. Yes I am pandering.


As you will it.^^

I will give my vote on the episode later on. Right now, i have to redirect my attention to the spoilerish delights of the manga threads.

[wrex_japan]

Ep. 10 Screencaps and summary. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=532)

Yeah, Clare shows the rest for calling her "#47"

[Lendial]

damnit i wish i didnt click on those ever so tempting spoiler pics, my gosh that is nasty. cant wait till i see this ep.

[Wosho128]

I'm really excited about this episode. This is where I stopped in the manga so this will be completely new to me. I've seen a few of the spoiler images and they look gruesome.

Eclipse will release tomorrow so I can't wait!

[MrProphet]

Well, the episode was actually pretty cool, though very were quite a few points that I did not like.

For once, Galatea and Hermitta sounded like they were considerably retarded. What's the point of speaking so slowly and deliberately? I was just silly.

Secondly, despite the cool fighting, the storyboards for the episode were terrible. Fast scenes were constantly being interrupted with stare-and-talk expositions that explained various matters which stole the tension from the fighting every single time. Talk-and-state is really not the way to go if you are trying to produce an impression of dynamism and fluidity.

On the other hand, the episode was just brutal. The amount of blood and gore easily topped anything we've seen so far from Claymore, and there were moments where I felt like they went an extra mile to produce a suitable impression. Like the Awakened spitting out Deneve's chewed up half-eaten arm. Wow.

I also liked the important touch they've added by giving the Awakened an intelligent manner and tone of voice. He really sounded a whole another level above the regular brainless RAWRGUUUUTS type of yoma, which is very good for conveying the level of power and cunning that the Awakened possess.

Yoki radar = a very awesome idea. Again, a big plus for novelty.

Oh, and the color palette looked more vivid that the previous episodes, which is a step up from all the grayness and boredom.

So, all in all, a decent flawed episode that managed to impress me in several aspects.

[Mentar]

I think that MrProphet is right here, that's my impression of the episode aswell.

The problem is that what works in the manga - where the panels seem to fly by much easier, so you can fill them with longish necessary explanations without breaking the flow. That however is not easily possible in the anime, where the explanation scenes lead to "stop-and-stare" scenes, and a "jerky" instead of "flowing" impression in the story progression.

Another problem was that they decided to extend this episode a bit in order to make it fit with the next one. A little bit less would have been quite a bit more, in fact, but they had to round it out.

Pretty good choice for Glamor Girl's VA, even though her voice is a little trace darker than I imagined.

[MrProphet]

Pretty good choice for Glamor Girl's VA, even though her voice is a little trace darker than I imagined.

Who is Ai Orikasa, anyway?

She seems to have voiced a lot of roles, but most of them are either relatively old or are supporting third tier characters.

[Kaka]

good episode

but Galatea's voice was kinda disappointing.....
the voice sounds a bit old for her age/appearance

btw.....anyone know who's the seiyuu for Galatea?
it seems the ending credit has mistakenly typed 平田広明 for her voice....:heh:

[dutchman]

After some trouble getting a raw (the usual ones weren’t there yet) I finished watching this episode with mixed feelings.

The anime lost it pace a bit by adding some scenes which weren’t in the manga. Basically I felt that the slashers arc easily could have been done in 2 eps. That’s why I initially wanted to give it a 7.

However after giving it some thought I realised that it would do this episode no justice at all since this is the anime and not the manga. Therefore based on more neutral merits I gave the episode a well deserved 8+ based on the following:

1. It contained quite a lot of excellent drawn action sequences.

2. I loved the way they animated Galatea (Miss Claymore) they really did her justice lets hope they can manage to keep that level of animation.

3. They really did justice to Miria’s phantom / speed technique I really loved the way it was displayed in the anime.

4. They did almost a 1 on 1 translation from the manga in the awesome fight Clare had with the awakened. When I saw it I was like YES show them your awesomeness Clare!
I assume that the last ep in this arc will also deviate a bit from the manga otherwise I am not sure how they can manage to have a full episode. Although I have every faith that Madhouse will come up with a worthy solution.

[Deathkillz]

wow great! :D
i actually thought that Deneve was down for the count after getting her arm ripped off at that start O.o good thing that her skill is speed recovery :3

seeing Miria getting slowly tortured like that was was awesome but at the same time i couldnt help but squirm at her screams >.<

its true that the dialog broke up some of the action but they were well needed...seeing clare concentrate and going teresa mode was great...the guy just cant do anything to hit her XD

but clare is really confusing like that...despite her small energy output she seems the strongest...with more training she can work on her weakpoints and get better at reading yoki energy...

[HinaThePrince]

Thoughts:

-This episode is pretty boring when you've already read the manga.
-Agreed with bad action-to-explanation transition. Too much talking in general.
-Galatea's voice was pretty nice, but it sounded too much like Clare's and she talked too slowly, which made her sound retarded.
-The "OMG VICTORY!!" music that started playing the moment Clare grabbed her sword was totally out of place.
-Clare's badassness is epic.
-The art kind of sucks, or at least - it doesn't fit with the voice acting. Helen is yelling and her mouth is tiny. Helen is freaking out and her face is calm. Etc, etc.
-What hour IS this stuff aired on?! The stomach-tentacle-rape part was FREAKING PAINFUL.

So. The usual 7.

[Claymore_Obsessed]

-What hour IS this stuff aired on?! The stomach-tentacle-rape part was FREAKING PAINFUL.

If I'm not wrong, the hour is 25:26, that should be 1:26 am

[tiancai]

wow
miria's seyu is kikuko inoue

[stormy001_M1A2]

So the ep will be better if there is no talking, but one continuous action sequence?

[MrProphet]

So the ep will be better if there is no talking, but one continuous action sequence?

Are you trying to be funny? Sarcastic? Because jumping from one extreme to another is not what we are discussing here.

There is a thing called "pacing". This episode lacked it.

[zato_1one]

This Ep. sequence was pretty much like in manga and had much talking indeed. But I'm still waiting for sub. Because I'm sure it will be more better when you understand what they're talking than just only stare to the monitor. Assume that I'm not a manga reader, if those dialogs are informative and let me know more about my favorite character. I'm sure I still enjoy and won't mind hearing them though. :)

For now I can only tell that
- I thought they used too much flash light.
- Miria's arms were poorly drawn when she carried Clare and Helen, imo.
- Love Galatea!!! The most beautiful girl in this series, imo. :cool:
- It seemed they explain about male Awaken through MIB perspective. I liked it. Because it was far better than Miria stayed still explaining this to her comrade. And let that Awaken thought to himself "WTF! Why I have to wait until she finish explaining?" :twitch:
- That bastard licked Miria-sama!
- I love GORE and Clare ROCKs. :D

Add one more, I felt that that Awaken was a lot lot bigger than when he pierced Deneve.

[hrist]

That male Awaken's tongue sure looks like a make's private part when it gouge her stomach

[stormy001_M1A2]

Just checking.

And I don't try to be sarcastic here, just wondering.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Just finished watching the RAW, while I do agree with others that the pacing is off, It is still pretty good considering that alot of the dialogue is vital to the story, it would realy only bore manga readers, since it is info we already know ;)

I thought they did a great job with Miria and Clare's respective abilities, always loved the entire part where they unvield their powers for the first time.

I give the episode an 8, would probably be higher, but their were a few parts here and there that got on my nerves, and that SACK-OF-SLIME licked my Miria-sama!

:frustrated:

Edit: And all of you have dirty minds for thinking that that guys tongue looks like "that" during that Scene :P

[stormy001_M1A2]

Actually after viewing the raw, I don't think it is off paced. Explanation is essential for non manga readers. The episode is okay but I don't see anything wrong with the pacing.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Actually after viewing the raw, I don't think it is off paced. Explanation is essential for non manga readers. The episode is okay but I don't see anything wrong with the pacing.

Actually after going watching it again (because im a Claytard) I agree, kinda wish I gave it a 9 instead of an 8 now :(

[TinyRedLeaf]

My vote's 5. I'm very disappointed with the episode -- and it has nothing to do with me already having read this chapter either. Like others have noted above, the pacing and storyboarding were badly off-key, with the action sequences stunted by poorly paced dialogue.

Worse, I wouldn't have minded the dialogue and exposition, had the voice-acting not been so badly directed. Where's the fear, the anxiety and tension? I could neither sense nor feel any such emotion in the voices. It should have been a gripping episode from start to finish, but all I felt was nothing but a load of "ho-hum, oh I see, so that's the power of an Awakened Male, hmm, how interesting."

Helen's right there, standing next to Deneve when her arm was suddenly got ripped off. For all intents and purposes, it's as though Deneve had suddenly been killed in a blink of an eye. Instead of cries of anguish, all I see and hear is a matter-of-fact reaction from Helen, as though nothing big had happened.

Miria's reaction to the sight of her team members being struck down within a few seconds was similarly deadpan and totally lacking in energy. It didn't help that the BGM, which I haven't been very impressed with since the first episode, was just as weak here.

By the time the Clare made her move, I was already too bored with the episode to care how good she was. :(

*Sigh*. Ah well. Hopefully this was just a one-off and things would get better in the next few episodes.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Well, my take is these people are seasoned warriors who are accustomed to death all around them, so maybe Helen is being matter-of-fact seeing Deneve got clobbered. Just maybe.

Same goes for Miria, who maybe have witnessed so many deaths of her comrade in arms, so maybe she is not surprised at how things turn out. Afterall, all Claymore is in dangerous work and death is very close so after time they will develop certain detachment to combat and death.

I personally knew some military and law enforcement personnel who developed such detachment to deaths that might struck other people as inappropriate. It might seem as resigned look, or as you said, totally lacking in energy.

I would characterize the quotes in the episode as being laconic, trying to evoke the Spartan ideal of warrior talk.

[zato_1one]

Helen's right there, standing next to Deneve when her arm was suddenly got ripped off. For all intents and purposes, it's as though Deneve had suddenly been killed in a blink of an eye. Instead of cries of anguish, all I see and hear is a matter-of-fact reaction from Helen, as though nothing big had happened.
If Helen behave that way, I doubt that she might had a hard time surviving this far. For Claymore, that act wasn't professional at all. In Ep2, Clare could kill her closed friend without hesitation and didn't shed any tear either. Crying over your dead friend while in battle was a totally suicidal. In fact, Helen wasn't that emotionless. But instead of crying, she pissed so much that she immediately striked back that Awaken by herself.

Miria's reaction to the sight of her team members being struck down within a few seconds was similarly deadpan and totally lacking in energy.
That's what you called a professional leader. In the most crisis situation, if your leader cannot even hold her consciousness then your squad will be doomed in no time.

I also agree with stormy001_M1A2, I don't feel that it's off paced either.

By the way, when that Awaken attacked Helen's back. Helen sleeves were wrong colored. :upset: Do you know what I mean? The pace isn't really a problem here. But at least I could enjoy the show so I didn't really care.

[Defiled one]

The sub is out. :bow: Courtesy from our friendly translators.

[Mez]

agree with some of the other people in the thread, wasn't a bad episode but definitely could have been executed better, the pacing did seem awkward at times. but still it wasnt too bad, just maybe because expectations have been set higher for this show since the previous few episodes have been very good.

[Mandrake]

pacing can be controlled by music, and the musical direction for certain pieces are terrible. It looks like they have not enough music source material to work with imo.

[Kaka]

My vote's 5. I'm very disappointed with the episode -- and it has nothing to do with me already having read this chapter either. Like others have noted above, the pacing and storyboarding were badly off-key, with the action sequences stunted by poorly paced dialogue.

Worse, I wouldn't have minded the dialogue and exposition, had the voice-acting not been so badly directed. Where's the fear, the anxiety and tension? I could neither sense nor feel any such emotion in the voices. It should have been a gripping episode from start to finish, but all I felt was nothing but a load of "ho-hum, oh I see, so that's the power of an Awakened Male, hmm, how interesting."

Helen's right there, standing next to Deneve when her arm was suddenly got ripped off. For all intents and purposes, it's as though Deneve had suddenly been killed in a blink of an eye. Instead of cries of anguish, all I see and hear is a matter-of-fact reaction from Helen, as though nothing big had happened.

Miria's reaction to the sight of her team members being struck down within a few seconds was similarly deadpan and totally lacking in energy. It didn't help that the BGM, which I haven't been very impressed with since the first episode, was just as weak here.

By the time the Clare made her move, I was already too bored with the episode to care how good she was. :(

*Sigh*. Ah well. Hopefully this was just a one-off and things would get better in the next few episodes.
but from another point of view, we know that Helen and Deneve have been friends for quite a while. How can Helen not know that Deneve can regenerate her arm?

[dutchman]

but from another point of view, we know that Helen and Deneve have been friends for quite a while. How can Helen not know that Deneve can regenerate her arm?

She probably does know.

But you have to put yourself in her shoes.

One moment your best friend is standing next to you and suddenly she drops into a deep cayon minus an arm. And you see the one who attacked her standing in front of you while chewing on her missing arm.

I am sure you would get mighty upset also;)

[Anh_Minh]

Also, Claymores who go all emotional whenever they lose a comrade won't last long.

[zetsumei]

The sub is out. Courtesy from our friendly translators.

WOOT! Can't wait to download it!

[Azure King]

Subs are out

w00t w00t !!

i'm quite speechless, another awsome episode

After seeing Claire fight, does that mean she will get a better ranking?

[Defiled one]

Don´t know. Rubel is the one that knows more of this.

[Shiori-chan]

nice episode, love clare fighting and dodging
and azure king i think not but then again what does ranking mather ^^

[SimplyEd]

Well, i'm a bit late today, but i gave this episode a 9.
I am really very satisfied with how they pulled of this rather dialogue heavy manga episode. Lots of nice animation and the mood was just right.

I don't think it could have been realized any other way without withholding on certain dialogue bits. In this case, there's lots of expository material for future stuff that just can't be omitted.

I can't really relate to some of the complaints mentioned by other people here. But that's beside the point. I can't argue about every subjective opinion^^

Galatea was quite well done as well. She did sound a bit more mature than i had first anticipated, but overall i'm pleased. Fits her quite well indeed.
She doesn't sound "retarded" but rather calm, focused and superior. Like, you can feel a certain competence flowing from her composed observance there.

[Anh_Minh]

Hm. I'd say Galatea sounds detached and halfway to apathetic. The events in the mountain clearly aren't her problem.

[SimplyEd]

Maybe it would help if manga viewers would try to forget what they know about Galatea and just take her behaviour at this moment into account.

Right here, right now, she professionally observes. So, your assessment fits her actions just fine.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Galatea is observing from far and she is concentrating on reading the long range engagement so it does tax her ability to be more natural in speech?

Plus the complaints about pacing is off, not all viewers read the manga and some explanation needed to inform people what is going on in the background.

[Wosho128]

Ya' know, I'm wondering if Clare will stay the lowest ranked Claymore for the rest of the series. I haven't read the manga to this point and this episode had me wondering if that's the case. It would be refreshing to see her as the "dead last" character; not caring about her status and only focusing on the goals she considers important.

Also, maybe it's better that she has a small Yoki to compete with the Awakened Beings? I know that she can emit a large amount but her compression skills are awesome. Clare definitely is following in Teresa's footsteps.

That's what I like about this series. Strength isn't just based on the amount of Yoki a creature has but manipulation of Yoki plays a big role in it too.

Anyway, I liked this episode. Clare showed those other Claymores what she's all about.

[Mandrake]

If I were you, I would worry more why those claymore's were sent to fight that thing in the first place. It certainly freaked Maria out...and the man in the town said no other claymore that came, ever returned.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't think the pacing was that off. The Awakened Being clearly enjoyed mindgames, and giving the others the time to be afraid. To realise how much in over their heads they were. That's why he gave them the leisure to talk.

[SimplyEd]

On the matter of Galatea.

It's just a quirk in speech. She talks very slow and maybe it comes of as..uhh..strange perhaps. Where's the problem with that? If that's a part of her character then so be it. When you're observing a scene, very unemotional, and just plainly state the facts as they come, how would you talk in such a situation?

Yes, she is depicted as detached and uninvolved for the most part. And that's that. A cold, clear to the point type of speech is just as natural as an emotion-pumped one.
Well, that's just my 2 cents on that matter.

[Adam E]

8/10

I thought the characters should have been speaking faster, in general, but I realize they wouldn't be able to fit these six chapters into three episodes, otherwise.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I don't think the pacing was that off. The Awakened Being clearly enjoyed mindgames, and giving the others the time to be afraid. To realise how much in over their heads they were. That's why he gave them the leisure to talk.

Precisely. It is all psychological operation, playing with minds. Tactical combat is not just your weapons and your physical ability, it has a lot to do with what in the minds. Sadly not many people patient enough to understand this very important aspect of combat.

[Kinematics]

Also, Claymores who go all emotional whenever they lose a comrade won't last long.

Yeah. Remember what happened to Priscilla when she lost control of her emotions...

Anyway, their reactions all seemed perfectly appropriate to me. They're fighting an Awakened Being, so must be prepared for the possibility of at least some casualties. Plus the fact that this is a far more powerful one than they expected to be sent against.


Also, Clare's fight reminded me of some previous discussion (don't remember which thread; probly ep 9) about ranking, and how I thought she might have deliberately failed in any challenge fights.

Watching this episode, I realized I was being stupid (not connecting the dots that were right in front of me; maybe I can get away with saying I was trying to avoid spoilers? >.> ). She continually tries to refine a very particular style of fighting: suppressing all of her yoki and trying to read the opponent's yoki flows. Obviously she's gonna suck when the opponent isn't releasing any power (as would probably be the case in at least the start of the challenge fights, and her opponents are unlikely to raise the power level if they can beat her easily enough without it), and thus will continue to drop down the ranks.

On the other hand, she has managed to refine it to a point that works really well defensively now. Not just the obvious fight part, but in saving Helen from being impaled by the tongue, and in only taking minor wounds when being impaled during the big beat-down.


That aside, it was interesting that they more deliberately emphasized a certain point with Raki's dialog which wasn't in the manga. While it's easy to pick up on in this episode, it is more elaborated on in the next, so I'll leave more discussion on it til then.


The fights were brutal, but somehow seemed shorter than I expected. Probably the issue of having to explain so much background material in dialog. Still, watching it a second time the dialog didn't really seem to interfere with the flow of the show, so they did well enough in that regard; the episode just seemed to fly by.

[Defiled one]

I´only didn`t gave this a 10 because of Miria arms in a certain scene.
Why 9? Because they made what I though it would be. It was subtle and slow as I pictured it.
Both parties tried to avoid using any suicidal aproaches unlike the typical shounen "where you go head strait and slash the hell out of it!! While screaming rawwwwr!!"
It was an implied trap, the Awakened was soo implying that in his statements, in his actions, even when he was still. Both tried to measure how to attack, to keep calm as ice in a "calculistic chess for survival" made me aware how fights are, in a world where you don´t come back to life.

But it raised several questions, especialy with the whole Claymores part. Miria truly wanted to know "something" that the Awakened knew about. And the creature itself didn`t behaved like a mindless monster craving guts.

Claymores are nothing compared with Awakened as this episode implied. Although I think Clare was a little bit of a "meanie" considering she could have used it a bit earlier......:eyebrow:

Now, there is some explaining to do....A big serious explanation :uhoh:

[Negativedark]

Precisely. It is all psychological operation, playing with minds. Tactical combat is not just your weapons and your physical ability, it has a lot to do with what in the minds. Sadly not many people patient enough to understand this very important aspect of combat.

It fits the awakeneds personality. He's like a cat, he obvously enjoys playing with his victims. He's going to try and break them mentally if he can. Sadly for him, he may play around a little too much. It gave Claire time to recover and come to Miria's rescue.

[Nesty]

not a bad ep but one thing i didn't like was the bg music for some of the scenes. i just thought the flow of music didn't pace well. the early explantion about male awakened was ince going back from the fight and the observers. i think they reused 1 or 2 shots in the action sequence T_T ddin't want that to happen T_T LOVED the animation of the regen by devene. simply amazing.

[Anh_Minh]

Claymores are nothing compared with Awakened as this episode implied. Although I think Clare was a little bit of a "meanie" considering she could have used it a bit earlier......:eyebrow:

Now, there is some explaining to do....A big serious explanation :uhoh:

I think she's always been trying to do it, and it's the first time it actually worked. After facing her first Awakened Being (and therefore, the first time since her Claymorisation that she was next to such a big youki source), and being in a desperate situation, something went click in her head and she was at last able to use her technique.

[Mandrake]

I think she was using it before with the multiple youmas, or was able to use it easier after her awakening episode in the church. Remember Maria's impression of Clare when she first met her? Seems it was right of the heat of battle.

[Anh_Minh]

I'm not saying her senses were completely useless. But that trick of dodging everything? If she could have done it earlier, she would have.

[ZODDGUTS]

Liked this episode didn't really have any big problems with it. I do think they need to fix the music placing other then that pretty good overall.

[Archmagination2002]

I'm not saying her senses were completely useless. But that trick of dodging everything? If she could have done it earlier, she would have.

Thats so true. It basicly looks to me like Clare just couldn't react to the attacks... In the first part of the battle she managed to see the attacks, but was barely able to prevent her vital organs from being damaged. In the second part of the battle something clicked inside her head and she was able to predict far enough ahead that she could react to his attacks in time.

Clare sill needs a long way to go before she can reach Teresa's Yoki reading skill level. Clare still can't read others Yoki while using her own and her basic(silver eye mode)Yoki power is so weak that she wont be able to kill an Awakened One without using her Yoki power.

I have 1 HUGE criticism of this episode.. TO DARK!! In the manga the battle happens roughly around noon, but in the anime its evening and the battle was usually in the dark. I kept on missing the details because of that.. I HATE MISSING DETAILS!!

[stormy001_M1A2]

It fits the awakeneds personality. He's like a cat, he obvously enjoys playing with his victims. He's going to try and break them mentally if he can. Sadly for him, he may play around a little too much. It gave Claire time to recover and come to Miria's rescue.

Arguably, he never expected a Claymore like Claire around. He paid the price of overconfidence.

[Anh_Minh]

Clare sill needs a long way to go before she can reach Teresa's Yoki reading skill level. Clare still can't read others Yoki while using her own and her basic(silver eye mode)Yoki power is so weak that she wont be able to kill an Awakened One without using her Yoki power.

Well, we never saw Theresa read youki while releasing her power either. However, I agree her level was much higher: she did it on Claymores and not just on Awakened Beings.

[Grey]

Hmm! They made the Awakened's fingers more rubbery (bending upon impact with the ground) instead of stiff and landscape destroying like the manga. I suppose that's fine and seems to fit with Yoma biology. Extendable arms, fingers, and suchlike do indicate that yoma consist partially of some sort of "Mega Goo". Nothing else can seemingly explain such flexibility.

I adored the Awakened's voice and character. He was quite entertaining. A pity they don't have the budget to splurge on this episode's animation.

Miria's torture scene was more grotestque than when I read it. If they're toning up the damage and dark themes, I bet some later scenes could be quite fun!

The short interlude with Raki surprised me, but was nice enough. Random NPC innkeeper for the win!

[Anh_Minh]

Quite a riot, that guy. "Your friend's probably dead, like the countless Claymores who went there before her. Oops, pretend I didn't say anything". <_<

[Grey]

Quite a riot, that guy. "Your friend's probably dead, like the countless Claymores who went there before her. Oops, pretend I didn't say anything". <_<Hehehe. He did have a good line there. Seems like a guy who is nice, but a bit slow in the head.

The food he brought looked good. But maybe that's just because I'm hungry. Two eggs, some type of leafy greens, four loaves of bread, a jar of some goo (looks like honey?), and some weird stuff next to the greens that I can't make out. Mmmm.

I wonder if it's as tasty as human guts?! Huahahaha.

[NoSanninWa]

It fits the awakeneds personality. He's like a cat, he obvously enjoys playing with his victims. He's going to try and break them mentally if he can. Sadly for him, he may play around a little too much. It gave Claire time to recover and come to Miria's rescue.

Well, he had already analysed her abilities and decided it didn't matter if she recovered. It just meant he could play with her some more... or so he thought.

[Westlo]

8 from me, love how they showed Phantom Miria.

[Deathkillz]

Quite a riot, that guy. "Your friend's probably dead, like the countless Claymores who went there before her. Oops, pretend I didn't say anything". <_<
haha...guys like him need a punch in the face :3

anyone else thought that it was wierd for the youma to be shooting limp attacks at clare? bad misdirection or just emphisis on clare's haxx dodges? O_o

[LCeh]

I am a little surprised at where this episode ended. Before watching the ep I thought the fight would at least drag onto the third ep, but having watched it I realized this was already about as slow as they could go. Next ep will be a dialogue heavy one then.

[vhx]

Found this ep pretty good. I thought the pacing went quite well. Found it pretty gory too, especially when he captured the more powerful one and started torturing her by cutting her stomach open and pushing his tongue inside her further (that kinda sounds wrong). Anyways, go Clare! Definitely has more training to do to perfect the Yoki sensing thing. Looks like she's basically trying to follow in Teresa's footsteps, including techniques. I hope Clare ends up as strong as Teresa using the flash sword thing and just wielding a sword really well. Logically, I think that would have to happen since she needs to kill Priscilla who done in Teresa.

On another note, I think this ep was good in also explaining the reasoning behind why there are no male Claymores anymore. I thought it wasn't physiologically possible or something like that. Anyways, I wonder what this would mean for Raki in the future. :O

Anyways, can't wait till next week.

[Asai]

I quite liked this episode. One of my favourites so far. Good bit of action, with a bit of backstory that we want to know (Why males were a failure) and of course, seeing Clare kick arse. :D

[Guido]

Well, this is the week where most of the spring shows have already reached their 10th episode mark, and I quite don't believe that in just about three weeks we'll be halfway done with Claymore.

The only pair of things which I have to complain about this episode were firstly, their choice of music. It just did not fit with the gore, bloodshed, and ominous atmosphere of quasi-despair. They needed to insert a more macabre song that would had gone along with all the butchering.

Secondly, I do not know if this was toned down from the manga or was even gorier than the manga, but I do was expecting the Awakened (at least most of them to be featured) to behave in a more brutally, vicious, hyper-sadistic manner.
Don't take me wrong. Green guy did a decent job on impaling our four girls, manhandling Miria with his tongue, and take a good chomp out of Deneve.
It is just that he didn't go too much apeshit just like average Yoma. Spot human, then go postal and eat human.

Oh, well! I guess I am hyperrooting too sooner. I just need to give more time for other Awakened (and I mean the very big, bad bosses) to show up.

Nonetheless, it was a fantastic episodes.

So basically they were male Claymores a long, long time ago. However, their hormones went bonkers with just releasing a very tiny amount of Youki. After that first experience, they became addicted to Youki, release it non-stop and quickly went ape-shit to become Awakened.

-Youki the stimulator that is better than sex.:heh:

One cannot imagine the shock and death fright the female Claymore (from those times) experienced when they witnessed their male counterparts mutating into freaking Awakened ones. Not that it matters, since those female Claymore were long ago torn to shreds.
The fact does not escapes to me when Ermita disclosed that at those times they were both male and female Claymore alike. The male ones turned too successful to be true for the ORG.


What thing disturbs is about the male Awakened One.

Maybe I am overanalyzing things too much or is it just my imagination. But, I can swear that Awakened One gave me the impression that he knew too much who was dealing with when Miria engaged him.

Either that guy was just a loner that gained too much insight after countless Claymores' lives he claimed that went after him or the more sinister implication that he was someone's else pawn to check up how much the ORG is improving the quality of their Claymore.

Another that keeps pestering on the head is when Green guy corrected Miria about the inaccuracy of the historical account.
Do really the ORG sent the team to be dispatched by that guy, or they sent them to measure the strength and individual skills of each of the girls?

I do not know very much since I am a bit of blockheaded and haven't read the manga yet.


What was as well spectacular was the variety of skills displayed.

Deneve's regeneration ability to restore all that arm by herself by natural means without employing too much Youki.
It would have been visually awestruck if Green Guy should have pounced on her with great speed and took off the arm with a single chomp. The tongue thing is already getting too tired on me.

Helen stretching her arms with a moderate amount of Youki.

Miria's phantom mirage and short-speed burst technique.

And Clare finally shows her hidden potential to read Youki. So maybe she didn't lose to Miria due to being weak, but because she was trying to read her Youki but keeping hers as little as possible.
Like Miria said, she needs lots training and practice to hone those skills.

[Souten no Seigyoku]

I dont understand something. When they explained the reason for there being Male Awakened Ones, the yoma said there was an innaccuracy with the explaination. What did he mean? Also, what did Maria figure out when he said "someone as smart as you shouldve figured it out"? What does it have to do with their group?

[TinyRedLeaf]

Maybe I'm hardened to action scenes and gore. I mean, while "300" was certainly gloriously gory, I wasn't much impressed nor pumped up about it. Poor acting and extremely naive character development ruined my enjoyment of what would otherwise have been a "so-so" summer blockbuster.

In the same way, while I'll certainly agree that it's your subjective opinion as to whether to give high marks for the gore in this episode, frankly, as far as I'm concerned, the poor voice-acting detracted from the fun (I'd blame the director rather than the VAs -- I think the VAs were fairly competent, especially Galatea's, but I suspect that they did not receive adequate direction on parts where they needed to sound more emphatic and emotional).

In other words, gore + action alone does not a good show make. Going by how well Episodes 4, 5 and 8 were executed (in my opinion only, of course) I had indeed expected something at least as good for this episode -- because this is the turning point in the series. From this point on, things are going to get more intense. If this episode is the producer's idea of "intense", then I'm going to be sorely disappointed.

[NoSanninWa]

I dont understand something. When they explained the reason for there being Male Awakened Ones, the yoma said there was an innaccuracy with the explaination. What did he mean? Also, what did Maria figure out when he said "someone as smart as you shouldve figured it out"? What does it have to do with their group?

Oh dear, you're so cruel to the manga readers by asking questions that they feel they must answer. :heh: I hope that nobody else will make mistakes like in those last two posts...

Does anyone who hasn't read the manga want to speculate about the answer to that question?

[Lendial]

awesome ep, im shocked they could show his tounge going inside her and moving around. the claymore abilities are alot more diverse than i would have imagined.
regeneration , super speed- sounds alot like bleach's shunpo, extending body parts, and reading yoki.

[Tempest35]

Grr! Those crazy Narutards are beating us Claytards out by only 3 people!!! (56 to our 53) Still, that accounts for more than half the current members in the Current Anime section.

Just thought I'd point that out.

Ep 11's DLing so I'll see it tomorrow. Any ep with Miria in it's already got '8' from me. :D

[WanderingKnight]

Does anyone who hasn't read the manga want to speculate about the answer to that question?

*raises hand* I understood it as an ellipsis of what the old guy told Galatea a couple of seconds earlier. That is, that male Claymores were much more powerful than female (that's why Miria suddenly thinks of the number of people that were called on the mission). Since it had already been mentioned, I think they just felt it was an unnecessary repetition... But whatever, I'm fairly sure it will have some sort of importance later as manga people want to spoil us so much... ^_^

Maybe I'm hardened to action scenes and gore. I mean, while "300" was certainly gloriously gory, I wasn't much impressed nor pumped up about it. Poor acting and extremely naive character development ruined my enjoyment of what would otherwise have been a "so-so" summer blockbuster.

This... is not madness! THIS IS CLAYMORE!! [/lame joke] :heh:

[Forever]

Oh dear, you're so cruel to the manga readers by asking questions that they feel they must answer. :heh: I hope that nobody else will make mistakes like in those last two posts...

Does anyone who hasn't read the manga want to speculate about the answer to that question?

My guess is that male awakened beings are used as a promotion test to rank the claymores. You survive u up some rank else u die.

[DJ_RockmanX]

Oh dear, you're so cruel to the manga readers by asking questions that they feel they must answer. :heh: I hope that nobody else will make mistakes like in those last two posts...

Does anyone who hasn't read the manga want to speculate about the answer to that question?

Resisting the urge to answer these questions is quite difficult at times. :heh:

[cf18]

Does anyone who hasn't read the manga want to speculate about the answer to that question?

Sure. This ep didn't explain why those 4 were sent, which Maria initally believes are too weak to handle the target. They better explain that next week.

My guess is all 4 of them are believed to close to going over their limit and lose control. Clare already passed her limit once. Maria also observed that both Helen and Deneve using their special power near their limit. So the .org send them to a death trap as a retirement farewell party. How else can they layoff expiring Claymores?

[zetsumei]

A pretty good ep, only ep that deserve a 10 so far was ep 08 imho. Hopefully there'll be a few more episode like ep 08; the shocked and drama factor in that ep was too good.

Going to read the manga now to catch up with the anime :)

[Kinematics]

That is, that male Claymores were much more powerful than female

I'm not so sure the male Claymores were more powerful than their female counterparts (though there does seem to be the implication that they might have been, on the whole; it's a vague enough statement to not be taken as an absolute, though). It's more the fact that, if it's a male, it had to have been created sometime in the distant past when the Organization first started. That means he's been around a while (due to either power, cunning, or just staying under the Org's radar (though the innkeeper belies that tactic)), and is skilled in the use of his abilities, etc., as opposed to some fresh female Awakened that hasn't had time to mature into her full power, and may not be as skilled in the use of said power.

Note: they may have in fact awakened at their full power (cf: Priscilla; I don't think we'd argue about who's more powerful, Priscilla or this male Awakened), but that doesn't mean they've necessarily got the hang of how to use it in nasty and devious ways (ie: tongue-fu).

Anyway, that's my interpretation of the "It's a male?!" comment.

[Fruitfly]

I gave this episode a 10 :)
This episode made me realize how amazing Teresa really was.

Sure. This ep didn't explain why those 4 were sent, which Maria initally believes are too weak to handle the target. They better explain that next week.

My guess is all 4 of them are believed to close to going over their limit and lose control. Clair already passed her limit once. Maria also observed that both Helen and Deneve using their special power near their limit. So the .org send them to a death trap as a retirement farewell party. How else can they layoff expiring Claymores?
I was thinking the same thing but Miria looks to be okay.
Another guess would be that it was a test to find good Claymores for something much more stronger. Plus Miria can teach Clare how to use Yoki instantly if they're in a group together. dunno

[FreedomMS]

maybe it bz all 4 of them was once close to becoming a awaken?Since Clare almost become a Awakened one

[ashesatdusk]

Good episode, Overall I think they did a good representation of the manga, which is what I like about this series it follows very closely to the manga. As discussed earlier I think one of the reason Clare doesn't use her ability to read Youma so pronouncedly as discussed earlier. as It was said by Miria that one she can't read it so well during offensive, (" You need too train more part"). Clare almost always releases some Yoki to counter for her weak fight strength. Which hampers here ability to use it to that affect. Theresa was known for never releasing Yoki energy, but in contrast she was an extremley formidable opponent with out it.

[D a m i e n]

mediocre episode at best .
i hate the 2 peeps that stand away looking at the battle, a very poor way to introduce new character imo.
hack & slash episode ala saint seya.
Evil_being_#003 : Mouhahaha i m so powerfull, cant touch me (Mc hammer TM).
Claymore_#001-004 : Ohnoes he is so powerfull we cant touch him.
Claymore_#004 : **princess athena please grant me your power to prevail**
Claymore_#004 : zomg i now all ubber after having been molested like a the fat kid in the locker room.
Evil_being_#003 : Haaaa it s unfair she is soo powerfull she can touch me. /wrist

that was a pretty simplistic view of that episode but the scrypt wasnt any better.

The only thing we learned is that they used have some male claymore.
also i might not having been paying enought attention but what the deal with claymore being sent to that mountain often. i didnt catch if it was to test out claymore or to get ride claymore.( test would mean if they succed that would implie organisation need to send a new awakened there for the next batch of claymore to be tested, if it s to get ride of annoying claymore what have they done that deserve them being disposed of in such a way?)

[Westlo]

mediocre episode at best .
i hate the 2 peeps that stand away looking at the battle, a very poor way to introduce new character imo.

They weren't looking at the battle though :p

[Mandrake]

Indeed, they were basicly bleeding to death hehehe

[prince leon]

Excellent episode. I loved the way they handled animating Miria's phantom ability. :p

[chrry370]

The action was good in this episode... I was expecting Clare saving the others OR kicking ass with her power but boy this was better... Literally she has the lowest yoki power AND can still kick ass! lol... it was different than the usual "i have massive potential energy and will only get activated when in battle!"
I mean it was cool...did she get that sensing thing from Teresa??? And when she was talking about despair, was she particularly referring to Priscilla killing Teresa? or just overall her life?

Oh i was also impressed with Helen's and Devene's skills. At first i thought Devene was out of the picture then Bang, she pops back up with her regeneration power.. Then we see Helen's extension skill... Although both their powers ain't that cool to watch compared to Miria's phantom skills! :D

i'm beginning to like Miria in comparison to the previous episode. She is so caring even on the battlefield, saving her comrades! Oh, did i forgot to mention intelligent??

And what was the point of the new character in the forest with that creepy guy? Is she in the top 10?

8 for this episode!

[Defiled one]

^I don´t know what Care means but considering her life, she knows what despair is.

Besides, Priscilla spared her for unknown reasons. It´s save to assume that Clare still fears, even today, Priscilla.

So yeah, she knows what true despair is.

[potchip]

The more I watch Claymore, the more I believe they are essentially sacks of skin filled to the brim with BLOOD. I mean...why else would blood spill (wrong word, more like spurt, from a high pressure hose) like that? Do they have high blood pressure? Was it due to stress? Their diet? /ends sarcasm

Anyway this episode introduces the 2nd prettiest claymore in claymoreverse, which is always nice for a shounen series. But she is NOTHING compared to my beloved *l**a Chan, nothing *shakes fist*.

[Defiled one]

My guess is that their stomach is like Deneve "arm" when regenerating. It´s the only thing that could make a person throw up. My guess of course.

[IMSabbel]

My guess is that their stomach is like Deneve "arm" when regenerating. It´s the only thing that could make a person throw up. My guess of course.

I personally think that the hole "throw up" thing is a red herring the author will never pick up again.

Those girls are all wearing skin-tight cloths, and nother really shows up...

[TinyRedLeaf]

Anyway this episode introduces the 2nd prettiest claymore in claymoreverse, which is always nice for a shounen series. But she is NOTHING compared to my beloved *l**a Chan, nothing *shakes fist*.

Fine, you can have Clare. I'll take Miss Claymore over NAMBA 47 anytime. ;)

[Drytchnath]

Kinda dissapointed by the fight animation, the manga was much more dramatic. Also, I was annoyed by the pure darkness of the place they fought in as well as the white rock explosions. Not a bad episode but doing too many shows at once really shows. Just exactly what else is Madhouse working on right now that could be better than Claymore?

And as for the gore, believe me they toned it down a bit from the source material. Despite my whining I still liked the ep., just wan't wowed in any way by it.

[TougeSil80]

The pacing is the only thing that keep this ep from a 10. The explanations, while it's needed, it certainly cooled down the tension. I would prefer if they explained it through in battle dialogue or even just explain it afterwards. But seeing Clare suppress her youki and just dodge is pretty cool, but she really need to work on her non-youma strength. Like Miria said, she really need to work on the sudden release of her youki.

[MooMooFarm]

This anime's quality so far is a hell lot better then crap like Naruto =[ wtb Rock Lee v Gaara back quality back.

[Poochi]

This anime's quality so far is a hell lot better then crap like Naruto =[ wtb Rock Lee v Gaara back quality back.

That's cause Naruto has over 100+ episodes.

Glad I'm not the only one who found the random innkeeper to be idiotic and amusing at the same time.

I think Clare's nickname should become "Can't Touch This" Clare :D

[potchip]

Fine, you can have Clare. I'll take Miss Claymore over NAMBA 47 anytime. ;)

Since when does Clare finish with an 'a'? :Wink: Clare doesn't even come within the top 10.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

I gave it a 8/10

I never notice any disruption in the pace... No complains about the episode. I liked the action and the hints we were given...

About people that said it wasn't well paced, well... it always could be better :P But I think they say it because they are already to much used to a way of pacing scenes and care to much of how it should or shouldn't be... as if all actions escenes should be paced the same... I would be too much monotony...

I really enjoyed the EP without annoyances, I liked the voices.... I think that the expressions were fine... alter all claymores are all a little inexpressive... :x and not easily surprised... maybe just one thing I found annoying... when the episode ends ......... ¬¬!!!



About what the male awakened said...

I think he is talking about the "(Male Awakened ones) were let out into the wild" part. They just didn't let them out into the wild, they are keeping an eye on them, making use of them... maybe even controlling them.

Another interesting thing is that the abilities of helen and deneve are a surprise to Miria. She said that those abilities are possible as them approaches their limits... but also states that they used those abilities in a very natural manner... Priscilla was able to extend her arms only after almost reach 80%, but helen and devene seems to use about 30%...

In the cathedral Clare was very close to awaken, but somehow managed to keep it, probably the others in the party have experienced something similar... The agility and the regeneration are abilities more typical to a warrior that has already awakened...


At first when Galatea appears I though that she would play the role of babysitter if something goes bad... but... thinking about what the inn keeper saids to Raki, it's more like if they were there to make sure the party gets killed -.-

What I wonder is if the youma is following orders, or just kills what comes to him to survive... I looks as if he was waiting for suicidal groups over and over...

And he is not ignorant about 'claymores'... he should know something from when he was a 'claymore' himself. I don't think he is getting some type of info from the organization or another group...

[Defiled one]

^ What if...She is there to kill them if the Awakened didn´t successed :uhoh:

[Anh_Minh]

The Awakened's probably just territorial. The org knows where to find him whenever there's a group of Claymores they want killed, that's all. For all we know, he's one of several like that.

[cf18]

^ What if...She is there to kill them if the Awakened didn´t successed :uhoh:

They can't simply order a Claymore to execute other Claymores if they didn't break any rule and still looks human. Their survival instinct will force them to rebel together.

[zato_1one]

As expect, sub is always better. :)

This episode contained many important info. Many hints for plot device had been given. If you carefully thought about it, I'm sure you could figure it out. :D

Galatea is COOL!!!

[Scep]

This episode was great, if not for the pacing. I mean, it just wasn't as enjoyable because of the pacing. However, clare's fight was pretty freaking cool tho. A good change from the normal overpowering, at least she uses some strategy. And its good that they jolted back to reality by showing that clare IS number 47, she isn't perfect.

So basically Clare is like a mouse, it can't kill a cat but it'd kill an elephant easily huh.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Lol, I like your animal chess analogy. :p

It's true. As things stand, the only way for Clare to be effective in battle is to suppress her own youki so as to read her enemy's flow. But in so doing, she dramatically weakens her own combat potential.

Yup, plenty of practise still needed, Miss Number 47. :D

[IMSabbel]

They can't simply order a Claymore to execute other Claymores if they didn't break any rule and still looks human. Their survival instinct will force them to rebel together.

You have seen what theresa did to No. 2-5.

This team is only 4, and the best is no6.

its reasonable to assume a really high number to kill all on her own, especially if they are weakened by a fight against an awakened one.

[Defiled one]

But why?....Why would they want to kill them?

What we saw in the fight, what Helen did with her arms. The only person that I saw, that I know, was Priscilla.

What if Helen is Priscilla in disguise? :heh:

[cors8]

But why?....Why would they want to kill them?

What we saw in the fight, what Helen did with her arms. The only person that I saw, that I know, was Priscilla.

What if Helen is Priscilla in disguise? :heh:

As if Galatea wouldn't figure that out!

[Tempest35]

But nearly all the Youma that have lasted for more than 15 seconds onscreen not counting the first ep ones, have had the standard issue extendo-fingers.

[grey_moon]

Oh dear, you're so cruel to the manga readers by asking questions that they feel they must answer. :heh: I hope that nobody else will make mistakes like in those last two posts...

Does anyone who hasn't read the manga want to speculate about the answer to that question?

I wonder if there are not still male claymores in the form of the creepy guys? The creepy guy at the edge of the mountain was fully covered up, was that to hide his appearance? If so then how comes the claymores don't sense them? I'm so confused now....

I noticed how stretchy arm girl and super heal girls abilities were described as advanced. Now is that advanced in skill or advanced towards stepping over the line? I think that they were sent to the mountain to be gotten rid of.

*EDIT*
I wanted to add that they were gotten rid of, before they became a potential Teresa and Pricislla situation....

[Defiled one]

It was a trap, that is my theory of course. How could he got those clothes in the first place?

Their skills are "unnatural" very unnatural. Lots of training to be able to do that.

[cf18]

You have seen what theresa did to No. 2-5.

This team is only 4, and the best is no6.

its reasonable to assume a really high number to kill all on her own, especially if they are weakened by a fight against an awakened one.

I am talking about the possibility that the high rank executer may rebel with her sisters, if she see the injustice to kill them before they break any rule or turn into yoma. The executer will also see the obvious that she may well be the next to die early.

If the org expect complete loyalty out of their Claymores, they can just order them to die. "Hay Helen (or anyone), we are feeling that you are about to lose control, so why don't you let me pass your black card to your best buddy right now?" is not going to go over well with anyone who believe she is in control.

[Kinematics]

It was a trap, that is my theory of course. How could he got those clothes in the first place?

?? What do his clothes have to do with anything? All the youma have been clothed; being able to disguise themselves as humans, there's no reason they couldn't walk into a store and buy (or 'acquire') something new.

Or are you talking about the watcher? All of them so far seem to get standard-issue "black shapeless outfit", except for Rubel (sp?), who at least manages his own wardrobe even if it's still black.

[PastPrime]

I imagine that Clare will now be welcome on any future expiditions against Awakened ones. She can keep them busy until her partners get an opening to attack and give a finishing blow.

[Defiled one]

The Awakened got scared when he realized Clare could have killed him, he was trully frightened for not knowing if Clare was strong or weak.

[Deathkillz]

I imagine that Clare will now be welcome on any future expiditions against Awakened ones. She can keep them busy until her partners get an opening to attack and give a finishing blow.
i dont think it can really work that way...until improves i think she would have a problem against some stronger awakened...like how Priscilla managed to confuse teresa's ability to sense her movements at first...

and besides not all of them are stupid enough just to be attacted by a single claymore...

[Vulcannis]

The male awakened implied there was some kind of logical hole in the whole male Claymore story, but I can't see it. Ah well.

My take on the whole situation is that the organization makes a practice of eliminating potential problem Claymore's by having them hunt the awakened, after all it's a win-win for them. The reason for these 4... I'd say for Helen and Deneve it's because their arm and regeneration abilities are too close for comfort to those of an awakened (or they're afraid overuse will awaken them), for Mirai she's just too smart for her own good (like the awakened mentioned), and for Clare either the organization got wind of her near-awakening in the church or they simply think the Raki situation is too close to Theresa's for comfort. I imagine they don't usually bother to observe the fights though, this time it was probably just to see if Clare had any surprises.

Not sure where it's going from here though... the 4 will probably be pissed at the organization, but they can't really rebel since they're not strong enough to fend off the other Claymores. My guess is the organization will just do what they normally do in such cases, which I think is keep sending them against awakened until they die off or need to be dealt with in a more sure manner. All the while probably keeping an eye on Clare's newly displayed prowess.

[mushrooms]

One word...

JESUS!!;_;

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...borderline tentacle rape.

[HinaThePrince]

...borderline tentacle rape.

Was there someone who didn't?

[SimplyEd]

Was there someone who didn't?

Actually yes. It was torture. Everything else happens in the mind of the beholder.

[HinaThePrince]

Tentacle rape is torture too.

[Defiled one]

ACTUALY!! male Awakened are driven by sexual Pleasure so....yeah...the bastard was..;_;

[Mandrake]

Tentacle rape is torture too.
Obi Wan mode: "From a certain point of view"

[IMSabbel]

Btw: i was really annoyed they changed the line when i tried to eat the arm.

In the anime, he just says "this tastes bad", while in the manga he actually says that its disgusting, because its tainted by yoma. which explains why the yoma dont eat each other/claymores

This is a small, but actually important change.

[NoSanninWa]

Rape? Huh? If he'd taken his fist, jabbed it into an open wound in her stomach and started twisting it around nobody would even think "rape!" They'd just be saying "That sadistic bastard is torturing Miria!"

But since it is a tentacle people are saying "tentacle rape" which in my opinion only shows that they have seen enough hentai to think that way. It never occured to me to call this rape. No sexual organs are involved. Well, I suppose you can call a tongue a sexual organ more than a fist, but still...

[Anh_Minh]

I agree with Ed. The sadism aspect overshadows anything sexual there might be about it.

[Defiled one]

What it means is that Awakened, have pleasure in torturing and fighting to the point of sexual urges. It doesn`t mean they go all mating, they just torture. It´s like feeling adrenalin.

Of course that`s my idea.

[SimplyEd]

Well, there's really no point in wanting to associate every behaviour on their part to sexual pleasures.
Male Awakened have orgasm-like pleasure when they are releasing youki to extreme values and subsequently go over their limit. There's no talk of them having such feelings the whole time once they are transformed, especially when they are hunting or torturing Claymores to death.

What we have seen so far makes them look sadistic and haughty. They can enjoy themselves expressing their superiority that way. That has nothing to do with sexuality. Remember, they literally think in different categories from other beings. Everyone besides another Awakened and youmas is considered food or an annoying pest..

[Matrim]

Not a bad episode but too much forced exposition, IMO. I hate it when the characters would stop fighting in the middle of the battle and start talking in order to clear some plot point while the enemy would kindly wait them to finish before resuming his attack.

[orion]

So...

This was a trap set up by the Org to kill those 4? Just send them off to "kill" the VE on the mountain like the other groups before them. I guess we'll find out why in the next ep., huh?

I don't think that tentacle rape had anything to do with Miria's abdominal wound either. That guy was just sadistic imo.

Nice episode.

[TinyRedLeaf]

ACTUALY!! male Awakened are driven by sexual Pleasure so....yeah...the bastard was..;_;


I'd imagine that if Miria thinks the same way Teresa does, she couldn't care less if she was being *ahem* violated. But it's still painful no doubt >_<

I've posted it elsewhere before, but doesn't any guy out there feel mortified, or even a little bit miffed, that we guys don't make good Claymores because we can't control our orgasms? :heh:

I wonder if that's some kind of feminist statement on Norihiro's part, lol. Like, yeah, we'd be more likely to achieve world peace if we remove all testerone-addled lads and replaced them with female heads-of-state. :rolleyes:

[SimplyEd]

I've posted it elsewhere before, but doesn't any guy out there feel mortified, or even a little bit miffed, that we guys don't make good Claymores because we can't control our orgasms? :heh:


I'm thankful to see all those lovely ladies giving their best to entertain us all. I'm just really glad that we don't have follow the exploits of men in really tight jump-suits..

[Hao]

I'm thankful to see all those lovely ladies giving their best to entertain us all. I'm just really glad that we don't have follow the exploits of men in really tight jump-suits..

Probably another reason why men are no longer created to become a Claymore :P

[cyoti]

Perhaps it's me, but there is almost a buffyish vibe here with the men in black exploiting the women and fusing them with demon essence to fight the demons and the men being incapable of becoming claymores because they are too easily corrupted.

[Lendial]

you attract a much larger viewer base with blonde girls in tights wielding big swords than men in tights wielding the same.

its a bit humerous that male claymores dont exist anymore because they cant control their "urges". i thought it would be something like only female dna would accept youma flesh or something more mystical.

[zato_1one]

Normally

When girl cries: Cute, Adorable, Touching

When guy cries: WTF! Annoy! Emo-guy!

Just my 2 cents

[Claymore Renegade]

the thing i don't like about clares team is that they look down on her because of her rank... now its understandable to a certain degree be they acted like it would be best for her not to even exist and to be honest i was utterly shocked to hear she was 47 the lowest rank but still rank doesn't necessarily determine your strength and abilities

[Child_of_Sierra]

I disagree, the claymore ranking is meant to indicate the strength and abilities of each warrior in relation with others. It may not indicate one's actual potential but it does measure the current standing of each claymore within the organization.

The higher ups may deem it appropriate to raise her rank after Miria reports her new ability but the Clare before episode 10 was clearly very weak compared to her teammates. Even then I don't think she can beat any of the other 3 as it is so she won't be raised beyond Helen's rank (22) anytime soon.

[Squawks]

you attract a much larger viewer base with blonde girls in tights wielding big swords than men in tights wielding the same.

its a bit humerous that male claymores dont exist anymore because they cant control their "urges". i thought it would be something like only female dna would accept youma flesh or something more mystical.You see, females take longer to orgasm. Males can do it in 2-5 minutes. I wouldn't be so surprised if that would be another reason for the Organisation to create them as females.

[IMSabbel]

Rape? Huh? If he'd taken his fist, jabbed it into an open wound in her stomach and started twisting it around nobody would even think "rape!" They'd just be saying "That sadistic bastard is torturing Miria!"

But since it is a tentacle people are saying "tentacle rape" which in my opinion only shows that they have seen enough hentai to think that way. It never occured to me to call this rape. No sexual organs are involved. Well, I suppose you can call a tongue a sexual organ more than a fist, but still...

Sorry, but their a limit to naivety.

The scene composition is so stereotypical that its very hard to believe that its not inspired by the classical tentacle rape scenario.

[4Tran]

This was a fairly decent episode that's sort of marred by it's execution. The first problem, the exposition in the middle of the fight, is sort of obvious, so I won't go over it. The second proble is that the Slashers never actually talked to each other to work out who's got what talents, or any discussion on tactics, and the like. Again, this is something that can sort of work in manga, but it's damned awkward (not to mention silly) when it's animated. It's a bit of a shame that the production staff isn't trying to deviate from the manga style of presentation a little more.

On the other hand, I still like the way the fights have been going - if there's some sort of challenge, then the whole team is going to gang up on it instead of the standard shounen fighting anime staple of everything coming down to one-on-one fights. As far as I'm concerned, people who insist on fighting one-on-one all the time shouldn't get involved in life and death situations.

[TinyRedLeaf]

I'm thankful to see all those lovely ladies giving their best to entertain us all. I'm just really glad that we don't have follow the exploits of men in really tight jump-suits....

I couldn't resist. Please forgive me. m(__)m




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THIS IS CLAAAAAYYYMOOOOOREE!!!!

[Mandrake]

=O .....Well, I guess its better then seeing a shaved wookiee

[kazune-kun]

I want to see Clare and Miria spar again..

[SimplyEd]

I couldn't resist. Please forgive me. m(__)m




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THIS IS CLAAAAAYYYMOOOOOREE!!!!




Ugh, yes, that's what i was talking about...Sailor Claymore.. I wonder if fans would still want to fantasize about a Raki relationship if that here was the main character.

[Mandrake]

/me has images of the muscle obssesed mustache guy in Full Metal Alchemist all over again.

[Tempest35]

Ugh, yes, that's what i was talking about...Sailor Claymore.. I wonder if fans would still want to fantasize about a Raki relationship if that here was the main character.

At least give him a cloak that goes to his knees or ankles... ;_; Or maybe he'll turn out looking like the new anime Highlander guy.

And don't get me started on the Miria/Tongue scene... >< I have to say that the seiyuu did a great job with making her screams sound truly painful... made me want to go 'MUSOU~!!' for the entire time. :heh:

[Sinestra]

I enjoyed this episode throughly. I am sure no one was surprised to see that Clare had the same ability to see Yoki as Teresa did. We all knew she must have gained some ability from her but we were not sure what. Also, I have noticed that Clare is actually a pretty smart fighter. Which i love since i am all for fighting smarter not harder. The high ranking Claymores are conerned about position and rank which i think takes away from there Ultimate goal.

Clare is actually the best person to fight Awakened Ones. THe stronger the Yoki the eaiser it is for her to predict their attacks. I also have a theory about Clares healing ability. Each time we have seen her get seriously wounded it takes a while for her to recover but each time she recovers shes stronger. Also even though her healing power is not as rapid as say the other Claymore who got whooped. It seems her healing ability is more effective at healing wounds allowing her to recover almost fully. Instead of healing rapidly but only to say 50-60%. Can someone confirm or deny this for me?

[dutchman]

I also have a theory about Clares healing ability. Each time we have seen her get seriously wounded it takes a while for her to recover but each time she recovers shes stronger. Also even though her healing power is not as rapid as say the other Claymore who got whooped. It seems her healing ability is more effective at healing wounds allowing her to recover almost fully. Instead of healing rapidly but only to say 50-60%. Can someone confirm or deny this for me?

An very intresting point you bring up. But to be honest I don't think she has a more effective way of healing wounds then her fellow Claymores.

I think that the reason why Clare could still fight with her wounds is that due to her superior yoki sensing even when suprised. She can still manage to avoid being hit at any vital spot.

If you look at the anime were Miria is gathering the wounded team members she made comments on the health state of both Deneve and Helen. But with Clare she was only looking in wonderment and saying 'this one..??' (around frame 12.12).

I must admit however that Miria couldn't finish what she wanted to say due to some extreme/rude agression from the awakened being;) But I don't think she would have given Clare only a 50/50% chance on survival if she had managed to finish her sentence.

Of course thats my take on the episode. I am curious if others can shed any light on the possibility if Clare posesses above average wound recovery skills.

[Archmagination2002]

An very intresting point you bring up. But to be honest I don't think she has a more effective way of healing wounds then her fellow Claymores.

I think that the reason why Clare could still fight with her wounds is that due to her superior yoki sensing even when suprised. She can still manage to avoid being hit at any vital spot.

If you look at the anime were Miria is gathering the wounded team members she made comments on the health state of both Deneve and Helen. But with Clare she was only looking in wonderment and saying 'this one..??' (around frame 12.12).

I must admit however that Miria couldn't finish what she wanted to say due to some extreme/rude agression from the awakened being;) But I don't think she would have given Clare only a 50/50% chance on survival if she had managed to finish her sentence.

Of course thats my take on the episode. I am curious if others can shed any light on the possibility if Clare posesses above average wound recovery skills.

I tend to think your way... I doubt if Clare posses greater than average recovery skills.

[Shinen]

And it the episode it is cleary Deneve who has extraodinary healing skills. I'd also say that Clare simply didn't get wounded that badly, maybe because she managed to evade or maybe because the Yoma underestimated her and she got knocked out faster. I think compared to the others, the attack that hit Clare was the weakest.

[Scep]

So the way this goes... It is possible in a way for raki to become a claymore right? so...

Clare fights priscilla
priscilla becomes awakened again and cuts off clare's head
priscilla walks past raki with a smirk
raki takes clare's head and requests that her flesh be put inside him

CLAYMORE RAKI!

[silix]

So the way this goes... It is possible in a way for raki to become a claymore right? so...

Clare fights priscilla
priscilla becomes awakened again and cuts off clare's head
priscilla walks past raki with a smirk
raki takes clare's head and requests that her flesh be put inside him

CLAYMORE RAKI!with main character dead, the series then ENDS...
a couple of days later, newspapers read "author of surprisingly successful manga series gets killed by a riot of disgruntled fans
:heh:

seriously, i doubt "looping" events that way would be a credible plot - at least imo, claymore has a potential for proving much more intriguing than that ;)

[PastPrime]

So...

This was a trap set up by the Org to kill those 4? Just send them off to "kill" the VE on the mountain like the other groups before them. I guess we'll find out why in the next ep., huh?

I don't think that tentacle rape had anything to do with Miria's abdominal wound either. That guy was just sadistic imo.

Nice episode.

There is always another possibility.Perhaps it was more of a test. Someday the organization will have to do something about Priscilla. Any team that could not defeat this male Awakened could definitely not defeat Pricilla.

[t3ck]

An very intresting point you bring up. But to be honest I don't think she has a more effective way of healing wounds then her fellow Claymores.

I think that the reason why Clare could still fight with her wounds is that due to her superior yoki sensing even when suprised. She can still manage to avoid being hit at any vital spot.

If you look at the anime were Miria is gathering the wounded team members she made comments on the health state of both Deneve and Helen. But with Clare she was only looking in wonderment and saying 'this one..??' (around frame 12.12).

I must admit however that Miria couldn't finish what she wanted to say due to some extreme/rude agression from the awakened being;) But I don't think she would have given Clare only a 50/50% chance on survival if she had managed to finish her sentence.

Of course thats my take on the episode. I am curious if others can shed any light on the possibility if Clare posesses above average wound recovery skills.

Hmmm, maybe Teresa's spirit is there guiding Clare, as a guardian angel? hehe.

This episode is really well done. Though not as impact-ful as ep8, it is still great. Especially how the animation of the fighting scene, awesome. I especially like how Miria's phantom skill was animated. Something i've always trying to imagine and MadHouse actually animated it for me. Kudos to them. Also they did not cut off those supposedly gore scene which is a huge plus from me. Rated 9 for this episode.

[TinyRedLeaf]

So the way this goes... It is possible in a way for raki to become a claymore right? so...

Clare fights priscilla
priscilla becomes awakened again and cuts off clare's head
priscilla walks past raki with a smirk
raki takes clare's head and requests that her flesh be put inside him

CLAYMORE RAKI!

I take it that the sight of a shaved wookie hasn't scarred you enough then. You're a tough one, you are. :p

[migs.]

There is always another possibility.Perhaps it was more of a test. Someday the organization will have to do something about Priscilla. Any team that could not defeat this male Awakened could definitely not defeat Pricilla.

I doubt that it's a test, the intel that was given to them was initially wrong, maybe it's more of a suicide mission than a test,

[Toasty]

i think they were assigned for a reason especially clare because of her ability to read yoki so well

[Deathkillz]

i think they were assigned for a reason especially clare because of her ability to read yoki so well
not really...clare was there because she as advised to test herself against a lesser awakened by her overlooker dude ~ though he probably didnt know about this being a male awakened

[Grey]

Does anyone else find the flashback Claymores more compelling that the current Claymores? After looking through a few episodes again, I find Noel, Sophia, Irene, Priscilla, and Teresa to be much more engaging than Clare, Helen, Deneve, and Miria. The past Claymores started with distinct first impressions, and the story could make their personalities nuanced given time. In contrast, Clare, Deneve, and Miria are superficially more similar in character and behavioral traits, so it'll perhaps take a bit more work to give them individual definition.

It's something that never really bothered me in the manga, but which catches my attention more noticeably in the anime. Perhaps it's the voice acting: it adds another level of difference to the past Claymores, and another level of similarity to the present ones.

[Defiled one]

Nope..it is intended.

The golden age in a sense, where the big ones, trully knew how to fight and incite fear.

It just shows how powerfull the old ones were.

[Lendial]

perhaps the organization wants to see if clare is capabable of becoming the next theresa so theyd have a trumph card against prisila and god knows what other baddies lie out there.

[WanderingKnight]

I take it that the sight of a shaved wookie hasn't scarred you enough then. You're a tough one, you are.

Thou dare mock thy Lord Shaven Wookie (http://www.shavenwookie.com/)? How dare thee!

[Sorrow-K]

Good episode. Lots of tension in the action sequences and we learnt quite a bit more of the Claymore universe. Clare's ability is quite clever, and I particularly dig the way it reflects a component of her past relating to the main thing that motivates her.

No complaints about this ep at all. As far as atmosphere is concerned (something which traditionally Madhouse does extremely well), this was quite outstanding.

[PastPrime]

I doubt that it's a test, the intel that was given to them was initially wrong, maybe it's more of a suicide mission than a test,

The only reason I can see for the organization wanting them dead was if they could become a threat, and I don't think them becomming normal awakened ones would be a threat. If it were possible to go to 100% without becoming a demon so they could return to normal then that would be a threat. An awakened one who retained their humanity instead of becoming a demon. That would definitely be a threat to the organization.

[NoSanninWa]

The only reason I can see for the organization wanting them dead was if they could become a threat, and I don't think them becomming normal awakened ones would be a threat. If it were possible to go to 100% without becoming a demon so they could return to normal then that would be a threat. An awakened one who retained their humanity instead of becoming a demon. That would definitely be a threat to the organization.
I'm curious as to your reasoning. Why is an Awakened Human more of a threat than an Awakened Yokai?

[Twisted Reality]

An very intresting point you bring up. But to be honest I don't think she has a more effective way of healing wounds then her fellow Claymores.

I think that the reason why Clare could still fight with her wounds is that due to her superior yoki sensing even when suprised. She can still manage to avoid being hit at any vital spot.

If you look at the anime were Miria is gathering the wounded team members she made comments on the health state of both Deneve and Helen. But with Clare she was only looking in wonderment and saying 'this one..??' (around frame 12.12).

I must admit however that Miria couldn't finish what she wanted to say due to some extreme/rude agression from the awakened being;) But I don't think she would have given Clare only a 50/50% chance on survival if she had managed to finish her sentence.

Of course thats my take on the episode. I am curious if others can shed any light on the possibility if Clare posesses above average wound recovery skills.

I find this quite plausible. Her wounds are just a couple neat little holes when compared to the loss of an arm or a major gash (probably through several major arteries and muscle tissue). Really this is a problem with low-caliber projectile weapons and rapiers because unless you hit something vital, they just go clean through without causing additional trauma to the surrounding tissue (or bounce off a bone instead of breaking it). The theory of course, is that you *can* hurl a lot of little pokes.

The point is, Clare had maybe a couple of neat holes that didn't look like they caused a lot of trauma to muscle, cut major arteries or hit any major organs. She was just fine, and better off than most humans with similar injuries would be.

Blame the power she inherited from Teresa if you must, although we could just as easily blame the Awakened One's arrogance at overlooking the threat the Claymores presented. Afterall, Mr. Awakened didn't do a good job finishing the Claymores off quickly when he had them all overwhelmed with the element of surprise. He didn't really have to torture Miria. He could have permanently killed the Claymores instead of leaving them wounded. Instead, doing the job half-way allowed Deneve her surprise counterattack and later allowed Clare to showcase her powers. (Hell, Miria even did him the favor of gathering them all conveniently in one place.)

Really, those spear-tentacles that Yoma are fond of is a nice little trick because you can achieve crazy armor-penetration and catch foolish swordsman off-guard with attacks of surprising range. Anyway, I think swords, speaking purely subjectively, are ignoble weapons compared to guns and projectiles anyway.

[khryoleoz]

I'm curious as to your reasoning. Why is an Awakened Human more of a threat than an Awakened Yokai?

Teresa said as much, damning the bandits' existences to be lower than that of yoma. What can be infered from a loaded statement and what we've seen so far is that Yoma kill humans to eat, while humans can be just plain wicked. If an awakened-being retains more of the human personality, the organization must deal with beings stronger than they who know their operations to whatever degree of intimacy. So it spells bad news for them when the ambition and wickedness of man may be profoundly expressed by wielding a strength more powerful than yoma.

In the case of Miria and the other three, they appear to be troublesome. And troublesome characters who are inside any organization are poisons that must be dealt with in one form or another. And we know progressively that the organization has valid reasons for their suspicions of persons.

However, as one character in whom I am fascinated would demonstrate, the awakened being is not incapable of making choices that are distinctly good, albeit at a certain cost to self, the least of which is probably hunger.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

The only reason I can see for the organization wanting them dead was if they could become a threat, and I don't think them becomming normal awakened ones would be a threat. If it were possible to go to 100% without becoming a demon so they could return to normal then that would be a threat. An awakened one who retained their humanity instead of becoming a demon. That would definitely be a threat to the organization.


I agree...

Awakened beings for now seem to be moved only by basic instinct. They just want to survive... eat... I think it's safe to assume that awakened being won't try to make an "alliance" to go against the organization.

I see awakened beings more like 'dormants' in the sense they just give up to their instincts and are overcame by their youma self. If a claymore were to go up to 80% and still be able to go back, that would mean full control of its powers... thay would be fearsome...

[migs.]

^
If they actually went more than 80% and went back, that means they have a lot of will power, or they are just so lucky, or something really triggered them to go back, that scene on the cathedral with clare almost becoming an awakened for example.

Yup awakened beings are quite instinctive, they only want to eat but unlike normal yomas they think, and they pwn claymores. They might change their mind and form an army someday though since they still have their intelligence :D

Yoma = dumb
Awakened = Intelligent :P

[Deathkillz]

but in this case they would still be claymores right? if a claymore were to go up to 100% and still not turn into a deamon is just means that they have the ability to go full power without losing their minds right? i could see something like that happening (evolution and all) ~ but still its weird that the organization is sending claymores to their deaths just like that...there must be some criterion they are going by (and i dont mean they are just doing this by drawing lots :heh:) ~ perhaps they find that claymore who possess more of a personality to be a threat...if they begin to develop free wills then the situation with teresa will repeat...

[Fruitfly]

Episode 10 showed that Clair has more reasons to live for than just for the kid.
I don't know the whole story about the awaken ones but they don't seem to fight against one another. But if Clair suddenly becomes an awaken one would she go after Priscilla or just not care like the others?

[Highman]

This series really deserves best interest for every anime fans, I don't want to go into detail this time. This series is really worth catching my eye and I'll atching on how will this play on Claire trial vengence on Priscilla.

[Twisted Reality]

^
If they actually went more than 80% and went back, that means they have a lot of will power, or they are just so lucky, or something really triggered them to go back, that scene on the cathedral with clare almost becoming an awakened for example.

Yup awakened beings are quite instinctive, they only want to eat but unlike normal yomas they think, and they pwn claymores. They might change their mind and form an army someday though since they still have their intelligence :D

Yoma = dumb
Awakened = Intelligent :P
The Awakened Ones really only serves to convince me that there might be "Voracious Eaters," and that the so-called "fiction" might not be a fiction. If you're a Yoma who spend centuries eating the minds of prominent scholars, priests, military minds, politicians, merchants and the like, you could probably do some pretty scary things and learn a lot about yourself along the way. Some of the Yoma we've been shown did actually think and maybe not all of them are as arrogant as the Yoma and the one "Awakened One" we've met so far. And we've seen plenty of intelligent behavior in Yoma ---> (i.e. Yoma eating all the passerby through a completely infested village, all the Yoma agreeing to attack only surrounding villages, the Cathedral Yoma) Any creature that can steal your memories and pretend to be you and fool even your most intimate lover, has a killer ability to empathize with their prey and capacity for learning all your little human tricks.

[Maes Hughes]

Just finished watching episode 4-10. :)

The Teresa arc was excellent throughout. The rest of the series hasn't been anywhere near as interesting up to this point, adult Clare and annoying Raki don't match up to Teresa and young Clare.

Anyway, onto episode 10...

I like the fact Clare isn't going to be the strongest Claymore right from the off, although it was a bit silly to have her ranked as the weakest when she's obviously going to be one of the strongest by the time she takes on Priscilla. This looks like it's going to be a looooong series.

Episode 10 wasn't the best episode in the world. Who didn't expect Clare to get up from her severe injuries and somehow help save the day? It was too obvious when you had the fact she's one of the lowest ranked Claymore thrown at you 24/7.

Next episode looks like it's going to be a talk heavy episode, presumably about why the organization was seemingly letting that male awakened kill who they wanted dead.

[Lendial]

the series wont be that long i think i heard it goes on to 26ish eps :(

[migs.]

The Awakened Ones really only serves to convince me that there might be "Voracious Eaters," and that the so-called "fiction" might not be a fiction. If you're a Yoma who spend centuries eating the minds of prominent scholars, priests, military minds, politicians, merchants and the like, you could probably do some pretty scary things and learn a lot about yourself along the way. Some of the Yoma we've been shown did actually think and maybe not all of them are as arrogant as the Yoma and the one "Awakened One" we've met so far. And we've seen plenty of intelligent behavior in Yoma ---> (i.e. Yoma eating all the passerby through a completely infested village, all the Yoma agreeing to attack only surrounding villages, the Cathedral Yoma) Any creature that can steal your memories and pretend to be you and fool even your most intimate lover, has a killer ability to empathize with their prey and capacity for learning all your little human tricks.

let's just say it like this, yoma can be intelligent too, but they could never gain knowledge by eating brains IMO. also awakened beings are far more intelligent than yomas because they still retain their intelligence and memory whne they are still claymores, some even retain their personality. sorry for posting that yoma = dumb, it was just an exaggeration.

[Maes Hughes]

the series wont be that long i think i heard it goes on to 26ish eps :(

Only because they'll run out of manga chapters to animate, the manga is said to be nowhere near finished.

We'll probably have a long wait for the second season... :(

[thundrakkon]

Only because they'll run out of manga chapters to animate, the manga is said to be nowhere near finished.

We'll probably have a long wait for the second season... :(


Wow, that scares me a bit there, about how it is nowhere near finished. I really hope we don't end up having a Pumpkin Scissors type finish... One series in a year is enough for me...

As an anime only viewer, I did not see anything wrong with the pacing of the episode at all. It provided relevant information when it was needed and was quite crafty on how it was done.

Now of course, this episode brings about a lot of questions. One of which is with the fact concerning Clare suppressing her Yoki/Yoma Powers. If she has been truly suppressing her Yoki throughout the whole series, then how much does she truly possess? She might have a lot more stored up then previously shown.

[Anh_Minh]

She hasn't. You see her eyes change color and even her face distort all the time.

[Archmagination2002]

One of which is with the fact concerning Clare suppressing her Yoki/Yoma Powers. If she has been truly suppressing her Yoki throughout the whole series, then how much does she truly possess? She might have a lot more stored up then previously shown.

I doubt if Yoki power can be stored for later use. Yoki power seems to be like a battery.. Some battery's are bigger than others, but each has a maximum charge that they can't go past. Clare's battery is just smaller than others.

[thundrakkon]

I was thinking more along the lines of she being weaker than she appears because she has been fighting with suppressed powers. Otherwise, I can't imagine how she will ever be strong enough to fight Priscilla, if she only has a fraction of Yoma powers everyone else possesses. Unless there is some way to suddenly become stronger, since Priscilla is so fast, no matter how awesome Clare's Yoma sensing powers are, if you are not fast enough to move out of the way, you'll still be killed.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I was thinking more along the lines of she being weaker than she appears because she has been fighting with suppressed powers. Otherwise, I can't imagine how she will ever be strong enough to fight Priscilla, if she only has a fraction of Yoma powers everyone else possesses. Unless there is some way to suddenly become stronger, since Priscilla is so fast, no matter how awesome Clare's Yoma sensing powers are, if you are not fast enough to move out of the way, you'll still be killed.


Heh that is half the fun of this series, Clare is incrediably weak, so how the hell is she ever going to be able to defeat Priscilla? <cackles evilly> I honestly have no clue tbh :p

[Defiled one]

My opinion? ^ I know this is crazy and is just a theory.

Clare could ally herself with Priscilla, or the other way around. Remember Goku and Vegeta?

It´s just a stupid idea, forget it. :sad:

[Boduar]

^
Clare got her sensing powers apparently from teresa and even teresa who even without using her yoki power was far faster and stronger than Clare, was killed before she could react. Therefore unless Clare is somehow able to move faster its going to end up like the naruto episode of Sasuke vs. Rock lee where he could see every move but his body couldnt keep up and he gets smashed.

[TinyRedLeaf]

My opinion? ^ I know this is crazy and is just a theory.

Clare could ally herself with Priscilla, or the other way around. Remember Goku and Vegeta?

It´s just a stupid idea, forget it. :sad:

Naaah. Clare finds Buddha in the end, and realises the folly of revenge. She forgives Priscilla...


.......and promptly gets stabbed in the back. Some things never change. ;)

[ashesatdusk]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Defiled one View Post
My opinion? ^ I know this is crazy and is just a theory.

Clare could ally herself with Priscilla, or the other way around. Remember Goku and Vegeta?

It´s just a stupid idea, forget it.
Naaah. Clare finds Buddha in the end, and realises the folly of revenge. She forgives Priscilla...


.......and promptly gets stabbed in the back. Some things never chang I could actually see claymore ending with no happy ending. Both Manga and Anime...

[Lendial]

this definately seems like the kind to end in total tragedy. none of that good guy powers up despite unsurmoutable odds and beats bad guy, happy ending.

[Goofus Maximus]

Ending with everyone dead, except the lonely blind flutist standing at the edge of a cliff, waiting for the sister who will never come...

I can see it having one of these style endings, with Raki standing over Clare's Claymore grave...

[mercury lampe]

hello guys, just yesterday I rewatched the episode and I have little question:

It's about something that Miria said. While she was looking how Clare could suddenly predict the movements of the awakened one, she said something like "the stronger a youki is, the easier will be for clare to read it (and defeat it)"

Well, in the fight between teresa and pre-awakened prisicila, teresa commented that due to the youki of prisicila was really strong, she hardly could read its flow.

So, aren't the wrods of teresa and the words of miria in conflict?

Thanks.

[killer3000ad]

hello guys, just yesterday I rewatched the episode and I have little question:

It's about something that Miria said. While she was looking how Clare could suddenly predict the movements of the awakened one, she said something like "the stronger a youki is, the easier will be for clare to read it (and defeat it)"

Well, in the fight between teresa and pre-awakened prisicila, teresa commented that due to the youki of prisicila was really strong, she hardly could read its flow.

So, aren't the wrods of teresa and the words of miria in conflict?

Thanks.

I think it was mentioned that pre-awakened Priscilla was giving off a very tremendous amount of youki in her rage, whereas the Awakened One that Clare fought wasn't exactly approaching Priscilla's level of youki-venting.

[FatPianoBoy]

hello guys, just yesterday I rewatched the episode and I have little question:

It's about something that Miria said. While she was looking how Clare could suddenly predict the movements of the awakened one, she said something like "the stronger a youki is, the easier will be for clare to read it (and defeat it)"

Well, in the fight between teresa and pre-awakened prisicila, teresa commented that due to the youki of prisicila was really strong, she hardly could read its flow.

So, aren't the wrods of teresa and the words of miria in conflict?

Thanks.

Too strong for Teresa, but maybe Clare has accustomed herself to such things.
Also, I doubt that guy was as strong as Priscilla.

[mercury lampe]

I think it was mentioned that pre-awakened Priscilla was giving off a very tremendous amount of youki in her rage, whereas the Awakened One that Clare fought wasn't exactly approaching Priscilla's level of youki-venting.

Yes, I already know that that awakened one was not as strong as priscila is, but, miria is taxative in her sentence: "the stronger a youki is, the easier is fore clare to read it. And she added "this is perfect to fight awakened beings" so, this would have be true no matter what's the strenght of the awkaned being.

So, if this isn't true and depends of how skilled a claymore is (or how much training she has) I see more reasonable the opinion of FatPianoBoy about the fact that clare maybe has got used to such things.

[zato_1one]

I thought Miria was right. But it mostly depends on user skill. It just like you solve a problem. When you find a harder problem, you take more times to find its solution.

In this case, Priscilla Yoki was too strong. So it also took times for Teresa to predict the accurate flow.

Just my 2 cents.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Too strong for Teresa, but maybe Clare has accustomed herself to such things.


I find it somewhat implausible that rookie Clare could have become more accustomed to Awakened-level youki in her short career compared to Teresa. But then again, we're dealing with speculation here, so your guess is as good as everyone else's.

I'd imagine that if you're reading youki like you would read pulse signals on a radar screen, than stronger youki means stronger pulses, hence a better signal. But let's say the pulses are so phenomenally strong that the entire radar screen goes into a bright, flaring white-out.

You'd be so blinded that you wouldn't even be able to look at the screen, let alone read the signals. :)

[Anh_Minh]

hello guys, just yesterday I rewatched the episode and I have little question:

It's about something that Miria said. While she was looking how Clare could suddenly predict the movements of the awakened one, she said something like "the stronger a youki is, the easier will be for clare to read it (and defeat it)"

Well, in the fight between teresa and pre-awakened prisicila, teresa commented that due to the youki of prisicila was really strong, she hardly could read its flow.

So, aren't the wrods of teresa and the words of miria in conflict?

Thanks.
Not really. Just take Miria's words as "the stronger a youki is, the easier it will be for Clare to read it, unless it's really OMGWTFBBQ too strong."

[Fenrir_valindri]

Not really. Just take Miria's words as "the stronger a youki is, the easier it will be for Clare to read it, unless it's really OMGWTFBBQ too strong."

I agree, I doubt Miria has ever encountered anything anywhere near Priscilla god-mode level. So it is quite likely that Clare would have the same problem Teresa did against Priscilla, and considering Teresa was alot better then Clare, that is big trouble.

[Mandrake]

Kind like the radar wipeout on the sub in Independence Day XD

[ritalman]

And I was going to go by font size analogy.
weak yoki output => omg font size 1 => I can't see anything
standard yoki output => font size 12 => alright!
awaken being => font size 30 => easy :)
priscilla => font size 328590 => I can't see anything

[Archmagination2002]

ROFL ritalman!!

I think there was also another reason why Teresa was struggling with reading Priscilla's Yoki flow.. the flow was wildly erratic and out of control. Priscilla wasn't really sane when battling Teresa and furthormore she didn't know how to control her power which resulted in her Yoki flow being erratic.

Compare this to the Male who was sane, he had a lot of experience as an Awakened One and wasn't near as powerful as Priscilla. The male played directly into Clare's ability.. he was powerful enough that she could see his Yoki easily and his experience at using his power meant that reading his Yoki flow was easier since he knew exactly where to send his Yoki to produce the effect that he wanted.

[migs.]

ntalman,
nice analogy there, actually she can read weak yoki, if the yoki is really suppressed then that's the font size 1 lol :D

[Tempest35]

priscilla => font size 328590 => *outerspace billboard*

Clare's radar would get overloaded from Priscilla's youki, so she would have to so something similar to what Teresa did - boost her own power enough to see and counter YoumaPriscilla's movements instead of reading the flow as much.

[Defiled one]

Can´t we just all....Get along? Someone has to talk with the Youmas. Bring peace to their inner soul. We all need a little love?......



:dots:


Someone has to make peace!:mad:

[ritalman]

ntalman,
nice analogy there, actually she can read weak yoki, if the yoki is really suppressed then that's the font size 1 lol :D
You nitpicky you :p

[SimplyEd]

Can´t we just all....Get along? Someone has to talk with the Youmas. Bring peace to their inner soul. We all need a little love?......



:dots:


Someone has to make peace!:mad:


Sure, we could always send them a negotiator on a silver platter..see if they'd be able to control themselves.


Should they start chewing on him (hehe..i don't send women or children to be eaten:D) we could still push the trigger for the remote controlled bomb with which we have rigged the negotiators bu** with.

What a blast! ;)

[dutchman]

Can´t we just all....Get along? Someone has to talk with the Youmas. Bring peace to their inner soul. We all need a little love?......



:dots:


Someone has to make peace!:mad:

Based on what we know of Yoma if normal humans send an peace messenger it will probably go somewhat like this.

human messenger : -> Hear me noble Yoma I come in..

Yoma: -> In time for dinner yes we know...

I bet they would use the white flag as an napkin.

[FatPianoBoy]

I find it somewhat implausible that rookie Clare could have become more accustomed to Awakened-level youki in her short career compared to Teresa.

Ah, but Teresa is now a part of Clare. To what extent, I'm not sure, but I imagine it counts for something.
Assuming Clare inherited quite a bit of Teresa's ability of reading and focusing on the flow of Youki, I don't think it's much of a stretch. Plus, she was chilling in the background most of the fight, only intervening when absolutely necessary. She would have had plenty of time to feel him out and become focused on his Youki - much more so than the others, who were too busy trying not to die.


I'd imagine that if you're reading youki like you would read pulse signals on a radar screen, than stronger youki means stronger pulses, hence a better signal. But let's say the pulses are so phenomenally strong that the entire radar screen goes into a bright, flaring white-out.

You'd be so blinded that you wouldn't even be able to look at the screen, let alone read the signals. :)

Good way to put it. That's similar to how I understood it, but I couldn't think of a good analogy.


@Defiled One:
Youma don't seem to be such an intellectual bunch. They may gain memories and even knowledge from their victims, but true intelligence comes from understanding that knowledge, which they seem to lack. Therefore, diplomatic relations would likely be impossible.

Awakened Ones, however, are another matter. Provided there's no biological reason for them to require human flesh (if there is, then there isn't much to be done), the intelligence they possess may make them capable of such things.
I've seen it theorized elsewhere around here that, if a Claymore could release 100% of her Youki and still manage to revert back to human form, she would essentially become immortal from the anti-aging effects of the Claymorization and the fact that she runs no risk of becoming an Awakened One. Whether the organization would allow such a thing to exist, though, is something I can't even guess at.

[Defiled one]

Based on what we know of Yoma if normal humans send an peace messenger it will probably go somewhat like this.

human messenger : -> Hear me noble Yoma I come in..

Yoma: -> In time for dinner yes we know...

I bet they would use the white flag as an napkin.

Clare did survived so, how about we send :rolleyes:...."Pictures Teresa evil Glare inside of thy mind"

Some tomatoes....tomatoes will do just fine!

[Sinestra]

Clare did survived so, how about we send :rolleyes:...."Pictures Teresa evil Glare inside of thy mind"

Some tomatoes....tomatoes will do just fine!

I would suggest sending them the girls of Claymore swimsuit edition calender first to soften them up:D

[Defiled one]

Do not tempt me demon!! Do not tempt me! :heh:

Anyways tomorrow will be episode 11, as usual. We can`t do very much unless fooling around or maybe thinking of ways to kill youmas.

Hey! Doesn´t fire scare them? I mean, every animal and human is afraid of fire.

[NoSanninWa]

Anyways tomorrow will be episode 11, as usual. We can`t do very much unless fooling around or maybe thinking of ways to kill youmas.

I've got a better idea. How about you just don't post anything rather than posting nonsense.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Claymore swimsuit edition? With their mutated body? Are you sure? And plus, it is against the serious spirit of the show. It is not harem anime or fan service type of show. Please refrain your hormones.

[Sinestra]

Claymore swimsuit edition? With their mutated body? Are you sure? And plus, it is against the serious spirit of the show. It is not harem anime or fan service type of show. Please refrain your hormones.

Hey well the Awaken Male from the last episode didnt really mind that much. Just a harmless joke but the suggestion of a peace proposal from a few post up didnt seem realistic which is why a joke was made out of it. Im pretty sure the higher ups know that an all out war with Awaken Beings is a war they would not win.

[Negativedark]

I would suggest sending them the girls of Claymore swimsuit edition calender first to soften them up:D

And if things do get ugly, the Yoma will be the ones getting killed.

[Goofus Maximus]

Still, it might be interesting to have something like "Shakugan No Shana-Tan" specials for claymore, with Priscilla doing a bit where she complains about how hard it is to put on sweaters now that she has a horn on her forehead, and how wings make it hard to get through doorways now, and other such silliness!

For the fanservice, you could have the claymores, handlers, and awakened enjoying a day at the beach. The Male Awakened from the Slashers arc could be on the rocks fishing with his tongue, and some SERIOUS watermelon-splitting contest action, with swimsuited Claymores pulling out their trademark swords, and bystanders commenting, wondering where they were hiding them! A back-shot of Helen coming out of the changing room, in a two-piece, and all the males running screaming away, followed by Helen making snarky comments about guys...

Oh the possibilities...

[stormy001_M1A2]

.....I would rather they do the tameshi-giri, cutting bundle of straws in place of watermelon which is an approximation of human bone but even then it is silly. Claymore is about revenge and relationship under trying circumstances with variation thrown in. I would rather the series keep to its dark and grim roots, there is enough of humorous series out there for that of audience.

[Sinestra]

Everyone has their own opinion about what they would like to see doesnt make it wrong just makes it different. As long as the series continues to be enjoyable i have no compliants

[orion]

I think that a one piece swimsuit would work. It hides the abdomen and comes in different designs. How about a Claymore "gift" episode? Claymores at a resort on the coast looking for a Youma but find out that their handlers decided to give them the day off instead.

Or a "Priscilla and Teresa explains it all section" like on Shana DVDs.

[Goofus Maximus]

I think that a one piece swimsuit would work. It hides the abdomen and comes in different designs. How about a Claymore "gift" episode? Claymores at a resort on the coast looking for a Youma but find out that their handlers decided to give them the day off instead.

Or a "Priscilla and Teresa explains it all section" like on Shana DVDs.

Ah yes! I was envisioning all the Claymores in one-piece suits for the Watermelon Catastrophe, pulling swords from who knows where they were hiding them in those skintight suits! ;) Helen in the two-piece, we'd only see from the back, since from previous episodes, we know there is nothing wrong with a Claymore's backal areas!

I was imaging an episode like this as a kind of "DVD extra" for viewing after the end of Claymore proper, in a kind of "the cast behind the scenes" motif... It would be a disaster if placed in the middle of the series, or tacked onto the end of episodes like Lucky Star or Hayate no Gotoku.

My senile brain is twisted!

[FatPianoBoy]

I like the idea of where you guys are going, but I think that kind of thing is better left out of the show itself. That's what doujinshi are for, after all ;)

[Sinestra]

I would not mind seeing something at the end of each episode. Something like a brief explanation of things in the Claymore world. Kind of like how Naruto does at the end of its episode and the current fansubs of Emma 2 are doing a great job with English trivia at the end of each episode.

[Anh_Minh]

Meh. Show, don't tell.

[FatPianoBoy]

Meh. Show, don't tell.

+1. The reason I almost never watch shounen anime is because they tend to treat their viewers like idiots. I get quite irritated with this because it wastes time that can be used for character and plot development.

Also, I tend to be "that guy" in the back of the theater who has 90% of a mediocre movie pegged within the first 10%.

Fortunately, Claymore isn't doing this too much. Most of the aggravations I have with it seem to come from Raki ("half human, half youma?"), and the Sports Announcer Syndrome usually only crops up when it's needed.

[Bloodseeker]

Training arc coming up?

Miria had better stick around for longer than Teresa did... I'd say good riddance to the other two though. (well, maybe they'll be better now that Clare's probably earned their respect somewhat)

Going back an episode, but damn, being ranked weakest and being looked down upon like that and then following it up with a pathetic display like that has got to suck ass. Poor Clare.

[Zu Ra]

This episode was an action packed Bonanza the first half of the show was Miria then Clare took over and shone like a star. It was funny to see Helens’s reaction as she had written off Clare as a weakling. And Clare evading that awakened being was hypnotic

I do say pictures look better animated but the Miria/Clare action was mind-blowing . I couldn’t comprehend the awesomeness initially . Also the Awakened being was a well rounded character he came of nicely as an antagonist .

Overall a 10/10 episode . This episode rivaled the Teresa one and to be honest beat it