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my... where are all the love this week. Even the raw are not around yet >_<
Anyway, screenshots are out. Let's discuss those.
- Simon's episode. He is turning super gar this week. He even do that pose Point to the heaven of Kamina.
- Nia x Simon again. Not much to said there.
- Next episode: Swimming suits!!
I will update once I actually watched it.
Next episode: Swimming suits!!
It was only a matter of time... wasn't it?
Edit: Seen some screenshots:
My god, Simon is GAR & awesome in this episode!
my... where are all the love this week. Even the raw are not around yet >_<
Anyway, screenshots are out. Let's discuss those.
- Simon's episode. He is turning super gar this week. He even do that pose Point to the heaven of Kamina.
- Nia x Simon again. Not much to said there.
- Next episode: Swimming suits!!
I will update once I actually watched it.
What? HQ Raw is out at S*are, downloading it as we speak.
What? HQ Raw is out at S*are, downloading it as we speak.
I usually don't use ShareEX for newer raw... there are tons of fake floating around :3
Can some of you actually post these screenshots? I wanna see GAR Simon.
Edit: Nevermind, currently watching. Simon carving all those head busts of Kamina is kind of creepy.
Nightengale
2007-06-09, 20:29
It's also out in nicovid too, if you don't mind FLQ raws.
Haven't watched it due to fucked up audio at the moment, but sounds like a good episode.:3
Omniscient
2007-06-09, 20:43
Episode 11 Screencaps and Summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/06/09/gurren-lagann-11/)
Well, they finally made Simon cool, and did a pretty darn good job at it. The new Shocotan insert song happily ever after certainly helped, as did Simon saving Nia and giving a very Kamina-esque speech. Episode gets a 10/10 for me.
So now that Simon is cool, is Yoko still in emo-mode, or did the Kamina flashback restore her spirits?
Haven't seen the ep yet, but is that a younger Yoko in the preview for ep. 12? Maybe we get a look at Yoko's past to see why she's still not sold on Nia?
"Who the hell do you think I am?! I'm Simon...I'm not just Kamina's brother anymore!! I...AM...MYSELF!!!!" ~ Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann, Episode 11
duckroll
2007-06-09, 21:56
The episode was awfully inconsistant imo. While some of the scenes in the later half were really, really good, most of the episode felt rather cheap. The pacing in the first half was kinda bad, and when they actually did the "two people sitting on chairs and talking" part I really wanted to throw something at Gainax. It's kinda disappointing that the Giga Drill Breaker is recycled too, and Guame didn't even die. Oh well, at least Simon is a MAN now!
Malintex_Terek
2007-06-09, 22:00
Saw the whole thing about an hour ago and brooded over it since. :|
Everything up to the union sequence = PERFECT
Everything after the union sequence = PERFECT
Now, the union sequence. It was supposed to be the climax of the whole episode, but I had some problems with it.
1. Minor, but the constant talking interrupted the song.
2. The song itself wasn't exactly good, didn't fit the mood or the pace of animation. Felt disjointed, if I do say so myself.
3. Slight animation inconsistency when Simon is zoom'd - he's sitting down when Lagann opens up, but is in his Garlock pose when the camera focuses on him.
But worst of all,
4. SIMON'S ENGRISH. Yeah, people laugh and Engrish but I usually don't...I was impressed by Archer's chant in FSN and Lelouch's "Mission Number Three" in CG. Though accented, they were still crisp (though not always the case with Archer) and sounded pretty nice.
Simon stuttered, sounded like a cigar smoker and pronounced "GIGA DRILL BREAKER" horribly. Given how the actor for Simon said "SPIN ON" in episode one (?), I'm guessing it was direction that lead to that result, but it didn't come out right at all. Ugh.
Didn't mind the reused animation.
So to finish on an optimistic note, the next three episodes should be godly. :heh:
3. Slight animation inconsistency when Simon is zoom'd - he's sitting down when Lagann opens up, but is in his Garlock pose when the camera focuses on him.
That's not an inconsistency, that's a lack of transition. You can't stand up in that cockpit when the hatch is closed, it would be unrealistic. He would have to stand after it opens.
Malintex_Terek
2007-06-09, 22:36
That's not an inconsistency, that's a lack of transition.
Apologies, that's what I meant to say but lacked the words to qualify it properly.
The episode was awfully inconsistent imo. While some of the scenes in the later half were really, really good, most of the episode felt rather cheap. The pacing in the first half was kinda bad, and when they actually did the "two people sitting on chairs and talking" part I really wanted to throw something at Gainax. It's kinda disappointing that the Giga Drill Breaker is recycled too, and Guame didn't even die. Oh well, at least Simon is a MAN now!
Heh, the first half of the episode in NicoVideo looked much better than the actual HQ thing. It didn't looked bad, the AD did a good job keeping the characters on design anyway, it was just cheap... imagine Eureka Seven 49 and you have a decent approximation of the episode. Both had impressive scenes by a guy called Yoshinari but were still somewhat budget when being measured as a whole. I would really love to be able to give this episode 2 different ratings as a whole.
I didn't minded the pacing in the first half nevertheless... not even the classical Gainax "people talking in chairs" scene. Maybe understanding the dialogs change this, though.
Guame didn't even die.
Dang, he didn't die? That little *******.
BTW, what is GAR?
They pretty much executed the revival of Simon perfectly..
Malintex_Terek
2007-06-10, 00:26
BTW, what is GAR?
Ultra-manliness, like moe but for tough guys and not cute girls. Basically any dude who makes you go batcrazy insane - Simon pretty much fit the bill in this episode.
JediNight
2007-06-10, 01:02
The whole scene with Nia visiting the "royal graveyard" was something. So the Spiral King apparently keeps having human children, and just throws them away at a certain age then? .....
Great episode, lots of stuff I reallly loved scene-wise. The production team is really doing a great job with the three episode arcs.
SpaceDrake
2007-06-10, 01:18
The animation was a little off in places, and I thought the music during the huge strike sequence could have been better (why didn't they use the same music as from episode 8 for that scene?!)
But still. This episode was still perfect. This is the weak-to-powerful moment, the epiphany of self-purpose, that Evangelion forever denies us. I'm convinced now that this entire show is like one gigantic apology for Eva. This is Gainax giant robots done RIGHT.
musashiken
2007-06-10, 01:38
Good Stuff. Finally an episode I really like... except for episode 9. Nia Wins!
I dono why, but for me, the music was pretty standard stuff. Action-pumped pop, which is completely cliched, yet perfectly executed. Especially Simon's speech, man.. that speech gave me goosebumps.. I'm just watching that scene over and over.. and I don't think I'll ever get sick of it.
Even though I liked the music, and perfectly executed, it would have blown my socks off if they get like.. The Pillows ~a la FLCLish type.. That woulda been amazing.. seeing how I can still remember those FLCL scenes/music.. That's not to say, the way they chose to go is bad, because.. everything, so amazing.. I think this is far more than anyone could have expected.. especially post-kamina death..
I didn't think Simon would be able to do the:
Giga Drill.
I thought that would be a Kamina-exclusive.
in terms of character development, and how that was framed in the episode, the execution was perfect. i can't speak for the animation quality or the music because none of that mattered so much as seeing this:
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4554/gurrensnapshot200706100jm8.jpg
JediNight
2007-06-10, 03:59
Simon suddenly has pects too! ;D
lol, i can't wait for the sub. :D
Deathkillz
2007-06-10, 05:13
EXPLOSION! :D this ep has perfection screaming all over it!
hes back!!! simon is back!! but this time hes possessed by kamina's GAR spirit! :D
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3686/snapshot20070610110809ax7.th.jpg (http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070610110809ax7.jpg)
"I am Simon!"
while watching this ep i had chills running down my spine seeing simon finally realizing that he is himself...not his brother but himself ~ that new resolve while he was trying to dig out of captivation must have caused lagann to react and awaken...with simon's spirit finally back lagann finds his way back to his master...
the fight was just awesome! and for simon to be able to use kamina's final move must mean something ~ he is no longer dependant on kamina but rather their spirits has fused together ~ Guame was trashed but its a shame that he survived >.< (dam that perverted reptile!)
as for nia...shes still moe as ever! :love: but she has broken out of the circle of the typical "damsel in distress" type character...she has a spine and is willing to stand up to evil (which is something i treasure in a character like her) ~ she is not only MOE! but she is also GAR! :D
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8864/snapshot20070610110734wp2.th.jpg (http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070610110734wp2.jpg)
"Simon!"
Ah, the episode I've been waiting for...
...I thought we were in for another angsty one with Simon making models of Kamina o.O But, thankfully, he does a complete turnaround and is one step closer to Captain Harlock. Nia proves herself to be pure awesome, I really can't get enough of Yukari Fukui's nasally vocals. Even Yoko seems like her old self (at least at the end). More of this please. The Eureka 7 vibe was also very welcome; Simon and Nia floating in the sky looked just like Renton and Eureka. Again I have no complaints here. Both of them got 100 times more interesting in this episode. So bring it on.
And the swimsuit episode next week will do nicely, thanks very much Gainax. You old pervs.:p
hoho just watched the episode..
- I am feeling some "love" between Simon and Nia here. We are talking about Gainax here... I can feel the death coming, they will play around with the stone that simon gave Nia for sure :3. I am praying they don't do it.
- We learned something new about Spiral King: He is immortal. My guess is he manipulates enable him not to grow old.
- Who the hell is the old dude, he is freaking ninja body guard. May be the next final boss who is seeking to awake the ultimate Buster Machine!
- I am feeling very weird at the beginning of the episode on how Gnome hijack Dai-Gurren... It just looks weirdly stupid -_-;;
- The main meat are how ever, after that. This episode is superb. Nia's inner strength to not just crumble and also Simon's recovery is freaking awesome.
- Yoko totally faded into background. Its not her episode after all. Nia the Moe already hijack heroine role from her.
- Next episode is ANOTHER fanservice one it seems... sigh... we just have one in ep 6. "Yoko-san, I have a favor to ask". is the episode's name. What will Nia ask from Yoko now?
- and yeah, they add Nia to ED. lol
Nia! She's just too cute and adorable! I think no one would dislike her!
Prolific
2007-06-10, 08:54
Simon suddenly has pects too! ;D
I LOL'd at that.
Yeaah! Simon's uselessness is finally gone! I can't wait for the subs. I wanna see how he uses the Giga Drill Breaker.
Omega-kun
2007-06-10, 11:31
Leaving aside that Simons "Giga Drill Breaker" sounded kinda strange, it was again a really great Episode.
And next Weeks Episode seems... well... "interesting". :heh: :D
actually, one thing bothered me..
everybody basically ragged on Simon, and pretty much cast him aside as useless, then suddenly he saves everyone then it's, "OMG KAMINA-APPOINTED LEADER, HURRAY SIMON" Only Rossiu and Boota (Obviously aside from Nia) really tried to get to him, so boo to everyone else.
evil|plushie
2007-06-10, 13:06
Only Kittan really ragged on Simon in 1 episode IIRC. The rest were just unsure of how to approach him and left him alone, kinda like how they mostly left Yoko alone too.
soooo....when is the sub due out?
Anyway, in the end I'm quite glad at how the animation ended up. It wasn't as bad as duckroll made it out to be even if it was somewhat less impressive than episodes 9 and 10 even when it included a much better sequence. Hell, this is probably still a notch above most other stuff, not named Dennou Coil or Seirei no Moribito, airing this season. For the episode which staff worried me the most I'm really, really glad how it turned out.
manuloz, the only really recognizable name was You Yoshinari right?
Near the beginning when Nia looks at Lagann (while tilting her head) was the best. That made my day.....XD
Only Kittan really ragged on Simon in 1 episode IIRC. The rest were just unsure of how to approach him and left him alone, kinda like how they mostly left Yoko alone too.
Yea, i suppose.. I guess it's just Yoko's thoughts about Simon having to get back on his own feet, or else it'd be meaningless, being so coold..
Anyone else feel it'd be ok if Yoko kinda.. died? A good looking girl, with a rotten personality right now imo, bah.
nightman
2007-06-10, 15:50
FREAKING AWESOME EP CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SUB whats with crystal Simon gave Nia?
Malintex_Terek
2007-06-10, 16:55
soooo....when is the sub due out?
[anon] should come out in a couple hours. nyoro~n got delayed because of a family emergency. AiA won't come for about three weeks minimum, and I have no idea about this "BlackOrder" group.
CrowKenobi
2007-06-10, 18:13
Leaving aside that Simons "Giga Drill Breaker" sounded kinda strange, it was again a really great Episode.Actually that sounded like Kamina to me... :D
Great episode! It's nice to see Simon back on his feet while Nia just stole whichever scenes she was in! I'm just going to wait for the sub before I rate, but it's pushing 9 for me just from the raw alone! :D
:cool:
EDIT: [anon] is out!! :D
[anon] should come out in a couple hours.
You're correct --- they've just released.
Edit: Kamina's speech made the episode for me, it was GAR Simon that made it even more awesome. I'm glad the episode where Simon finds himself was done so well, though it was expected --- just look at this series from the first episode. Everything has been done perfectly.
Yet again, thank you Gainax for the next episode. Added Adiane & Viral for bonus yay.
Pretty good episode, it's good to have Simon back, though I thought the 'insert song' was kind of unnecessary and even a bit distracting where an instrumental piece probably would've fared better. The re-used animation also stood out a bit (since when was the fight taking place on a rocky surface?), however I guess one could say it's a recollection of sorts of Kamina and that Simon is channeling the fighting spirit that Kamina had when he used the attack.
This show moves so fast - not even halfway done yet; kind of makes you wonder what they've got planned for the rest of the show.
Oh yes, and Simon's engrish yelling was awesome in its own way; all the more because that voice is supposed to belong to a 14-year-old character :twitch:
Btw thanks anon for the subs
Dialogs send this episode to a whole new level of win for me, they really add both a new enjoyment and a new level of intrigue and characterization. Kamina's flashback was perfect and so were the Helix King and his minions.
Schmorpheus
2007-06-10, 21:11
The oyaji makes me think of ganju in eureka7, he's a silent weird old man that pops in and out of existence when needed:p I'd like to point out that the symbol on the cloth in Nia's hair is the same as the symbol on Coco-Ji's Loincloth, making them likely related somehow.
And then as Lolfang noted he has the same symbol as nia. Maybe he's a son that the helix king had many years before, and that he managed to survive after being thrown away
OMG_Zerg_Rush
2007-06-10, 21:19
Just saw the giga drill part of the ep...... oh simon you sux at engrish
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evil|plushie
2007-06-10, 22:24
Yea, i suppose.. I guess it's just Yoko's thoughts about Simon having to get back on his own feet, or else it'd be meaningless, being so coold..
Anyone else feel it'd be ok if Yoko kinda.. died? A good looking girl, with a rotten personality right now imo, bah.
Yoko was going through her own set of problems herself. Notice however that she didn't treat Simon any differently than how she herself wanted to be treated; ie. left alone until managing to get over the grief by themself.
Matt Soulblade
2007-06-10, 22:36
GAR, GAR and more GAR. You dont need anything else :P seriously.
10/10. The only thing that bothered me was, of course, Simon voice on the Giga Drill Breaker. The rest was awesome.
KronosNumber13
2007-06-10, 22:49
Originally Posted by Tsukou
Yea, i suppose.. I guess it's just Yoko's thoughts about Simon having to get back on his own feet, or else it'd be meaningless, being so coold..
Anyone else feel it'd be ok if Yoko kinda.. died? A good looking girl, with a rotten personality right now imo, bah.
Yoko was going through her own set of problems herself. Notice however that she didn't treat Simon any differently than how she herself wanted to be treated; ie. left alone until managing to get over the grief by themself.
I agree with Tsukou. It seems to me that Yoko is being rather cold towards Simon. I saw the the [anon] subs and her statements seem pretty cold to me. "We've no place for people who can't take care of themselves". That to me seems very cold. I doubt that she really understands how much simon lost. Simon lost way more than she did by his death. He has no one left in the world and I might be crossing the line but I'm getting the impression that she hates him abit because she believes its his fault for Kamina's death. Unless the translation is wrong then I see her as cold and as tsukou stated has a rotten personality.
I have to say that I am bugged at how Yoko is turning out. I can't stand Nia and Yoko at the point. Both are annoying. If I have to deal a Nia/Simmon paring and Yoko's attitude I may just ahve to drop this series.
aardvark
2007-06-10, 23:46
Animation was underwhelming. Too much reused animation for Giga Drill Breaker (first part still had the backgroud of the fight from ep 8 ffs) and I didnt care much for the insert song which Kinda took away from the whole sequence but then again, the score for the show is REALLY good and the music during the giga drill beaker in episode 8 was the best of them all, so its hard to compete with that. (btw when the hell is the OST coming out damnit!)
Was good, though it could have been MUCH better.
The scene with the Lagann flying in the sky with Nia and Simon sitting in it was fantastic though. That whole shot practically made the episode for me. Ver similar to the shot in episode 1 when they first brok out of the underground, except in broad daylight.
The oyaji makes me think of ganju in eureka7, he's a silent weird old man that pops in and out of existence when needed:p
And then as Lolfang noted he has the same symbol as nia. Maybe he's a son that the helix king had many years before, and that he managed to survive after being thrown away
Nice catch from Lolfang and I actually got this idea of a speculation from yours... :p
He might be the father of the Spiral King and was King before his son many hundred years ago. He stepped down and left on his travels around the world leaving the Kingdom to his son. He later got wind of his kingdom's fall from grace and how his son had gone mad on a human killing spree. Now he is back hitching a ride with the Dai Gurren-dan who he have high hopes for to bring a ratten cane to his son's rear. :heh:
Guardian Enzo
2007-06-11, 01:53
Good ep, though I thought Simon forgave the rest of the crew (inc. Yoko, certainly) altogether too quickly for the way they cast him aside when he wasn't saving their butts to their satisfaction. I like to see him finally step out, but I hope he doesn't become too much like Kamina - I like his awkward, insecure side.
Love the armadillo general and anteater foot soldiers. Gainax is king, Baby...
manuloz, the only really recognizable name was You Yoshinari right?
Yeah, That was You Yoshinari on the last fight, it's already on youtube :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MKvIQW5MfRU
(Gigadrill is Sushio work)
I added the Gekidan Inu curry part :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iD1g-8VhM6Q
All i know about them is on the video info don't forget to check all the links ^^
Then, that might help you to follow the staff on GL :
http://www18.atwiki.jp/sakuga/pages/273.html
evil|plushie
2007-06-11, 04:58
I agree with Tsukou. It seems to me that Yoko is being rather cold towards Simon. I saw the the [anon] subs and her statements seem pretty cold to me. "We've no place for people who can't take care of themselves". That to me seems very cold. I doubt that she really understands how much simon lost. Simon lost way more than she did by his death. He has no one left in the world and I might be crossing the line but I'm getting the impression that she hates him abit because she believes its his fault for Kamina's death. Unless the translation is wrong then I see her as cold and as tsukou stated has a rotten personality.
I wouldnt know about that since I watch Nyoro subs. Watched a bit of anon subs before but they seemed a bit weird so I stuck to Nyoro.
But in case anyone thinks Yoko was being an ass, remember that Simon was also an ass in the first episode after Kaminas death, until after he rescued Nia.
(btw when the hell is the OST coming out damnit!)
Gainax love to kep us waiting --- no sign of a release yet. Maybe we'll see something after the first DVD goes on sale.
musashiken
2007-06-11, 07:55
I have to say that I am bugged at how Yoko is turning out. I can't stand Nia and Yoko at the point. Both are annoying. If I have to deal a Nia/Simmon paring and Yoko's attitude I may just ahve to drop this series.
Ok then bye bye :D
But if you ask me, you should just watch the whole thing. People who really watch the whole thing, whether it's sucky or not, are those who have valid remarks. Sure it can be shitty from now on, hell it can be shitty until the last episode. But if you don't stick to the end and rely on others' reviews, how valid are your reasons for dissing it? I always watch my animes to the end, shitty or not. Then I curse and swear as much as I want, knowing that I fully deserve it.
I agree with Tsukou. It seems to me that Yoko is being rather cold towards Simon. I saw the the [anon] subs and her statements seem pretty cold to me. "We've no place for people who can't take care of themselves". That to me seems very cold. I doubt that she really understands how much simon lost. Simon lost way more than she did by his death. He has no one left in the world and I might be crossing the line but I'm getting the impression that she hates him abit because she believes its his fault for Kamina's death. Unless the translation is wrong then I see her as cold and as tsukou stated has a rotten personality.
Anyway, I did not watch any of the fansubs, only the raw, but it's true that Yoko's remarks are cold, yet it's a fact and that's part of life. Simon was being a jerk anyway, and Yoko's heart already belonged to Kamina, so you can't expect her to show any sympathy towards Simon. If she does, how is she different from all the other cliched heroines who throw their hearts at sulky heroes? Yoko is Yoko, how can she be Yoko if she doesn't act like Yoko? A Yoko who tries to fill her emptiness by cozying up to anal Simon is not Yoko, but a slut. A Yoko who is bitter after her man died, that is Yoko.
Actually I'm just talking crap in this post. NIA WINS!!!
(Is it me or is the scene where Simon's Huge Drill blasted out of the ground beneath NIA's legs had very huge Sexual undertones?... Maybe it's just me)
I agree with Tsukou. It seems to me that Yoko is being rather cold towards Simon. I saw the the [anon] subs and her statements seem pretty cold to me. "We've no place for people who can't take care of themselves". That to me seems very cold. I doubt that she really understands how much simon lost. Simon lost way more than she did by his death. He has no one left in the world and I might be crossing the line but I'm getting the impression that she hates him abit because she believes its his fault for Kamina's death. Unless the translation is wrong then I see her as cold and as tsukou stated has a rotten personality.
Your impression isn't wrong~~
Too much reused animation for Giga Drill Breaker
At the moment (*), I find the reuse of the giga drill breaker animation somehow appropriate. To me, it signaled that Simon has completely succeeded Kamina's "legacy" by doing the same move on his own, without "Aniki's" help. We, and more importantly the other characters as well, saw that Simon by himself can be every bit as good as Kamina was. Though I really wish they hadn't given him the "chain smoker voice" during the "GIGA DRILL BREAKER!" part.
Heh, as for a different explanation, if I wanted to take the "artistic approach" even further, then one could argue that Gainax did indeed simulate the 80's era of super robot shows rather well, as the the signature move of a super-robot in that time was oftentimes stock footage with the opponent of the week just interchanged (for example Star Musketeer Bismarck/Saber Rider).
(*) Of course this argument will only hold truth, until they reuse this animation in future episodes as well. In that case it would indeed give the impression of "just" a budget induced animation shortcut. So for now I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
passenger
2007-06-11, 10:50
it was a good shonen episode. still it was sad how his comrades that did not give a damn about him while he was useless , sucked his ass vigorously in the end. in this kind of plot in which humanity is to be saved you expect main characters to have more dignity.
Animation was underwhelming. Too much reused animation for Giga Drill Breaker (first part still had the backgroud of the fight from ep 8 ffs) and I didnt care much for the insert song which Kinda took away from the whole sequence but then again, the score for the show is REALLY good and the music during the giga drill beaker in episode 8 was the best of them all, so its hard to compete with that. (btw when the hell is the OST coming out damnit!)
Was good, though it could have been MUCH better.
The scene with the Lagann flying in the sky with Nia and Simon sitting in it was fantastic though. That whole shot practically made the episode for me. Ver similar to the shot in episode 1 when they first brok out of the underground, except in broad daylight.
Heh, that scene was one of my biggest complains about the animation this episode, which despite looking on the cheap side didn't felt really limited other than a few sequences thanks to a great deal of help from the framing and scene composition. Well, that and the fact that outside of 4 particular scenes, yes I counted them, the "art" and "design" were never really "off". For example, the first half was actually done pretty interestingly other than 1 second or so with Kitan talking to the "harem-girl-in-training" from Guamu's village and the moment when the beastman arrived to Simon's lair and Nia defended him.
I actually enjoyed both the dialog and the visuals accompanying it in the Nia and Guamu classical Gainax “two people in chairs talking”, the script wasn’t half bad, the tension was good and the foreshadowing and hopelessness were really ace… the storyboard there was also excellent to a degree, not as completely crazy or cinematic as Imaishi’s 1 and 8 but still remarkable for what it worked out to be. They attempting to crave out of jail after the eyecatches was visually part of the best this episode and Kamina’s flashback was awfully emotionally effective. Nia’s challenge to Guamu in the Dai-Gurren's control room for sure suffered due to the animation, specially considering the first half with Guamu stylishly standing up was very likable yet the actual “build-up" with the rifle suffered due to the sketching for those scenes. Simon’s arrival was average, not bad at all, yet they breaking out was a good idea that suffered from illustrations.
Genber’s challenge was another mixed bag, with some pretty keys but a the moment before Simon arrived being a little bit “not-dynamic”. Simon’s revival was A+ Yoshinari even with the reused Sushio “Giga Drill Breaker” and the finale was just average without being bad, even if for myself I would’ve liked something better considering the backgrounds for them were just perfect. The worst was the last scene with them finally moving towards the capital... that could have used some better… style maybe? Something a little bit more “epic” would have helped.
10/10
If Episode 8 didn't do it already, this Episode made TTGL jump up in my fav anime list. Maybe even nearly all to the top.
The Kamina-Bust thing was creepy though... but it's understandable... kind of :/
So the princesses don't remember anything from their past lives? I guess that there will be a lot more to be found out about Nia then. Maybe she shares some connection with Yoko (that would be rather cheesy though).
Episode 8 still scares me, since it showed that GAINAX won't hesitate to kill off popular chars when they feel that the death is necessary to proceed in their storytelling. I don't want Nia to die :/
10/10
If Episode 8 didn't do it already, this Episode made TTGL jump up in my fav anime list. Maybe even nearly all to the top.
The Kamina-Bust thing was creepy though... but it's understandable... kind of :/
So the princesses don't remember anything from their past lives? I guess that there will be a lot more to be found out about Nia then. Maybe she shares some connection with Yoko (that would be rather cheesy though).
Episode 8 still scares me, since it showed that GAINAX won't hesitate to kill off popular chars when they feel that the death is necessary to proceed in their storytelling. I don't want Nia to die :/
Actually... the girls in that village weren't going to be princesses but members of the Helix King's "harem", the guy just likes to call every human under his possesion a doll, like if they were his toys. :uhoh:
Nia was probably "created" from scrap, but we'll see in episode 15 when she and Simon confront Lord Genome face to face.
Also for aardvark, OST is out July 25: http://www.sonymusicshop.jp/detail.asp?goods=SSCX-10352
:cool:
Also for aardvark, OST is out July 25: http://www.sonymusicshop.jp/detail.asp?goods=SSCX-10352
:cool:
A release out of no-where, its probably appeared on amazon.jp & cdjapan now.
A release out of no-where, its probably appeared on amazon.jp & cdjapan now.
Well, quoting myself from the Music Discussion:
This (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=SSCX-10352) RadioCD has the same catalogue number, so either it's the OST or the OST was not announced after all.
@7Th
I see. Well, he IS called "Genome", so he probably created her. Seems I misunderstood that one :O
Yeah, you can check my post in the music thread. :3
[anon] should come out in a couple hours. nyoro~n got delayed because of a family emergency. AiA won't come for about three weeks minimum, and I have no idea about this "BlackOrder" group.
Who do you suppose is the "best" fansub group(are we allowed to discuss this here?)? BlackOrder episodes seems to have very good quality. Nyoro episodes aren't as sharp, but they are speed-releasing, so meh.
And what about translations???
Near the beginning when Nia looks at Lagann (while tilting her head) was the best. That made my day.....XD
That was cute. :love:
anon for speedsubs to understand everything and Black Order for teh clockless version to watch everything again. and don't ask terek about subs.
anyway i've been thinking, that Yoko in the preview isn't really a young Yoko it's just the regular Yoko with a different hairdo and clothes no?
and that Giga Drill breaker wasn't spoken that bad, i really don't see what all the fuss is about.
Excellent episode, and I think it's been summed up pretty well by everyone else.
A few things about plot developments:
1.I can understand how Kittan and the rest were just ignoring Simon, up till now he's always just been that guy who tags along with Kamina.
2.Yoko being cold could either be her trying to get him to grow up a little, or maybe just resentment over Kaminas death. If a person you loved died because this "apparently" spineless kid couldn't do his job, you might be a little angry too.
3. Simon is now the most manly being in all creation, bow down or prepare to have sand kicked in your face!
Did anyone else think that when he deflected the rifle, the old man was wearing goggles that were eerily similar to Simons?
Ah, shoot. Nia survived. :sad:
Other than that, it's about time for Simon's revival. :D
musashiken
2007-06-11, 18:31
anyway i've been thinking, that Yoko in the preview isn't really a young Yoko it's just the regular Yoko with a different hairdo and clothes no?
Well, it's the swimsuit episode duh. Even Yoko has to change into something that involves beaches. Ironic that her swimming outfit is LESS revealing than her normal clothes. But still hot I guess.
And if you watch carefully, Nia is wearing a white swimsuit.
Ah, shoot. Nia survived. :sad:
Dude, you're treading on thin ice here...
NIA WINS!!
yes! finally they get going again! however i wonder what part yoko will play now?
Dude, you're treading on thin ice here...
NIA WINS!!
Well, she almost took a head shot there. So close and yet......
I have three complaints:
- Minor complaint: I don't mind the Engrish, but the branding-friendly technique names have got to go. It was hilarious and satirical when Kamina did it. It's just stupid now.
- Minor complaint: Simon's speech sounded... kind of flat. I suppose it's the limits of voice acting, trying to sound more confident and loud without crossing the line into the "adult Simon" voice. Still... retake, please?
- Very major complaint: This needed to be at least two episodes. It not only felt crammed together, but much of the dramatic weight was lost because we didn't have time to reflect on things, and there wasn't room to give a clear progression in Simon's outlook. Then on top of that, the fight was over in an instant. I'm pretty ticked about this. We needed one episode for the capture of the ship and Nia's revelations, and another episode for Simon to gradually come to his senses and then have an extended, if entirely victorious, battle, and spend enough time kicking tail with his new life view to convince every one that he's up for the job.
Other than that? This episode was everything I could have dreamed. Truly awesome. It is INSPIRING, as always!!
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go WRESTLE A GRIZZLY BEAR!
musashiken
2007-06-11, 21:17
Would it be any different if they took another episode to do stuff? It's already 3 episodes, and weeks in Gurren world for Simon to sulk. Another episode of sulky Simon, and people will prolly complain that it's getting draggy. Of course you'll defend by saying something about having the right execution of animation and plot writing will make things right, but seriously, no anime is perfect. Gurren Lagaan is as good as it gets and I'm surprised that I'm still psyched up about some anime after 11 episodes. You guys seem to want so much out of this series that it's getting boring. I've got other series to worry about. And I'm going to spend another arm and leg to buy the R2 dvds, so I've got more reason to complain than you guys who watch free fansubs :P
And Nia Wins.
Would it be any different if they took another episode to do stuff? It's already 3 episodes, and weeks in Gurren world for Simon to sulk. Another episode of sulky Simon, and people will prolly complain that it's getting draggy. Of course you'll defend by saying something about having the right execution of animation and plot writing will make things right, but seriously, no anime is perfect.
It would, indeed, be different if they took another episode. I don't expect perfection, I just thought this could use some better pacing. I didn't want more of sulking Simon, just something more than an immediate change from sulking Simon to Win Simon. :p
If the next episode is almost entirely a fan-service beach episode, I will be ticked, but I'm reserving judgment until then.
It would, indeed, be different if they took another episode. I don't expect perfection, I just thought this could use some better pacing. I didn't want more of sulking Simon, just something more than an immediate change from sulking Simon to Win Simon. :p
If the next episode is almost entirely a fan-service beach episode, I will be ticked, but I'm reserving judgment until then.
Episode 12 is Adiane's defeat, episode 13 is Cytomander's defeat, episode 14 the three generals realize they have to work togheter to defeat the Gurren-Dan and in 15 it's Simon and Nia versus the Spiral King. Yes, I'm serious."][/
musashiken
2007-06-11, 21:53
Well I think the way Simon changed from Anal Simon to Gar Simon is fine. It is a fitting way for him to figure things out by doing what he does best, drilling. All he did was just fight enemies till he puked, sulked in his room and carved Kamina figures for 2 whole episodes. But we all seem to forget that drilling is what makes Simon Simon. Simon is always at home with drilling holes. Having Yoko or Nia to knock him into senses would be too... boring/cliched. Having him drill to escape and having everyone to look at him drill is a pretty good scenario if you ask me. Of course having him to drill for 1/2 the episode would just be plain torture. Thus the quick recovery. Also, there's still the phase into Grown-up Simon since Simon now is still far from Manly Simon, the producers have to keep something with impact for that, at least that's what I'm hoping for.
Well, I loved it. Simon's speech I mean. Ending with "Simon the digger!" was kinda retro, admittedly, but great. His facial expressions, the subtle change in his voice, and talking about the drill piercing the heavens, it seemed to me he was totally in control of the atmosphere, not just trying to speak his mind and ending up sounding cool.
I also enjoyed Nia's role in the episode. She was casually sympathetic but didn't ever stray into rhetoric, definitely a true friend to Simon. And then when she was captured, she didn't talk big other than to say just once she had complete faith that Simon would rescue her. In general she hasn't been doing any of the things I fear: she been totally grounded in reality and hasn't responded to anything that's presented to her by interpreting it abstractly or only thinking of it in terms of relevant moral judgments rather than considering its real aspects (i.e. if someone said "I killed those people" it'd be annoyingly abstract if she responded "Such acts are abominable" when it might be more appropriate to say something like "Nothing can right what you've done"). Also, yep, I definitely felt some romantic overtones (of the Nia/Simon variety obviously) in that episode.
My faith has totally been restored in this series. And
I'm happy to hear that Simon will be facing the Spiral King in 15. That sounds about right, I was just thinking that they were rushing through the generals quickly, and that if it's like this they should have the Spiral King either be part of a greater threat or perhaps never their enemy at all (say, as he dies he reveals the true enemy, like maybe he was keeping them underground to avoid evil aliens detecting life on their planet). Simon rocked this episode but he still has a long way before the opening scene of episode 1 will make sense.
So the Spiral King is living the pervert's ultimate fantasy then. Immortal and have infinite beautiful women at his disposal with absolute power. A part of me cant help but to be envious. :)
Yes! The Gar factor is back with Simon! Bout time for the show to refill my adrendaline yet again.
If it is really true that simon fighting spiral king so fast, then the final enemy could not be him, but something alien instead. I am thinking along the lines of scrapped princess here. Could the spiral king be just a administrator assigned by aliens after the demolished the human race?
musashiken
2007-06-12, 07:08
I wonder if any of you ever wondered why the title is called "Simon, take your hands away"?
Indeed we see her telling Simon to take his hands away from the handles and she took them instead. But have anyone actually understood WHY?
No it's not because she wanted to control Lagaan for Simon. It's because she saw how bloodied his hands were, and offered to use HER hands as CUSHIONS for his fingers! We did not actually see him take them, but right after the battle was over, guess where are his hands? See, Nia did something significant for Simon which I doubt some of you understood.
Alright, let's see if any of you disagree with me. And don't give me crap about how he stood out of the cockpit after and said his Gar Speech while Nia is not holding onto the handle blah blah. This is anime, small trivial things are not for MAN.
And Nia Wins!
I have three complaints:
- Minor complaint: I don't mind the Engrish, but the branding-friendly technique names have got to go. It was hilarious and satirical when Kamina did it. It's just stupid now.
- Minor complaint: Simon's speech sounded... kind of flat. I suppose it's the limits of voice acting, trying to sound more confident and loud without crossing the line into the "adult Simon" voice. Still... retake, please?
- Very major complaint: This needed to be at least two episodes. It not only felt crammed together, but much of the dramatic weight was lost because we didn't have time to reflect on things, and there wasn't room to give a clear progression in Simon's outlook. Then on top of that, the fight was over in an instant. I'm pretty ticked about this. We needed one episode for the capture of the ship and Nia's revelations, and another episode for Simon to gradually come to his senses and then have an extended, if entirely victorious, battle, and spend enough time kicking tail with his new life view to convince every one that he's up for the job.
Other than that? This episode was everything I could have dreamed. Truly awesome. It is INSPIRING, as always!!
If you'll excuse me, I'm going to go WRESTLE A GRIZZLY BEAR!
Complaint 1.
It's a super robot show, Gurrent Lagann is a super robot.
Complaint 2.
I think it worked for what that situation, beside his VA is still relatively new, and it's much improved from episode 1.
Complaint 3.
Super robot show, aimed at kids.
evil|plushie
2007-06-12, 09:44
I wonder if any of you ever wondered why the title is called "Simon, take your hands away"?
Indeed we see her telling Simon to take his hands away from the handles and she took them instead. But have anyone actually understood WHY?
No it's not because she wanted to control Lagaan for Simon. It's because she saw how bloodied his hands were, and offered to use HER hands as CUSHIONS for his fingers! We did not actually see him take them, but right after the battle was over, guess where are his hands? See, Nia did something significant for Simon which I doubt some of you understood.
Alright, let's see if any of you disagree with me. And don't give me crap about how he stood out of the cockpit after and said his Gar Speech while Nia is not holding onto the handle blah blah. This is anime, small trivial things are not for MAN.
And Nia Wins!
Thank you for stating the BLATANTLY obvious while trying to sound intellectual at it.
Complaint 1.
It's a super robot show, Gurrent Lagann is a super robot.
Complaint 2.
I think it worked for what that situation, beside his VA is still relatively new, and it's much improved from episode 1.
Complaint 3.
Super robot show, aimed at kids.
Second part of this statement is very controversial but I think the major reason is the episode being a take on Gunbuster's episode 4... and that did pretty much the same as this in the same amount of time.
musashiken
2007-06-12, 18:22
Thank you for stating the BLATANTLY obvious while trying to sound intellectual at it.
Wow you sure know how to make people feel bad. I'm just trying to give my observations and my support for NIA. Maybe I was trying to sound arrogant, fine. I typed fast and I really thought some might not know.
No need to burst my bubble like that man. *feels hurt :(
Wow you sure know how to make people feel bad. I'm just trying to give my observations and my support for NIA. Maybe I was trying to sound arrogant, fine. I typed fast and I really thought some might not know.
No need to burst my bubble like that man. *feels hurt :(
It sounded nice, even if a little bit obvious it wasn't that badly written at all. But I already really like Nia's character and believe she has loads of potential so I'm biased.
It's a super robot show, Gurrent Lagann is a super robot.
Yes, it can be an expectation of the genre, but that doesn't mean it's good. In my opinion, it's pretty awful. Especially after they set the tone earlier with Kamina's satirical shouts.
There have been super robot shows that haven't done it. Even when I was a kid, I hated it when that sort of thing happened in a show.
It's not out of the ordinary... but that doesn't make it less stupid.
overthere!
2007-06-12, 21:15
Great episode. It really brought the mood back since we were stuck with Simon being a little emo in the last two episodes.
The part where Simon retrieved his courage was the pick-up factor after Kamina died, really sets the mood for the future episodes.
So the Spiral King is living the pervert's ultimate fantasy then. Immortal and have infinite beautiful women at his disposal with absolute power. A part of me cant help but to be envious.
When did they ever say the Spiral King is immortal? I only them talking about how long he has been living. Beastmen life expectancy might be extremely high, who knows?
Yes, it can be an expectation of the genre, but that doesn't mean it's good. In my opinion, it's pretty awful. Especially after they set the tone earlier with Kamina's satirical shouts.
There have been super robot shows that haven't done it. Even when I was a kid, I hated it when that sort of thing happened in a show.
It's not out of the ordinary... but that doesn't make it less stupid.
Super robot show without stock footage and attack name?
Which one?
Mazinger Z series
Getter Robo series
CombattlerV
Daitarn 3
Daimos
Dangaioh
Dancougar
Gaiking
Gaogaigar
Goshogun
Grendizer
Gunbuster
Ideon
Jeeg
MachineRobo
Reideen
Voltes V
Zambot 3
Zeorymer
Even Real robot have attack name
Gundam - Funnel, etc
SPT Layzner
Nadesico
Macross
Yes, it can be an expectation of the genre, but that doesn't mean it's good. In my opinion, it's pretty awful. Especially after they set the tone earlier with Kamina's satirical shouts.
There have been super robot shows that haven't done it. Even when I was a kid, I hated it when that sort of thing happened in a show.
It's not out of the ordinary... but that doesn't make it less stupid.
Is Giga Drill Driver any more rediculous than stabbing the earth with a gaigantic screw driver and yelling Divining Driver, or whacking the opponent mech with a gigantic golden mallet yelling Goldion Hammer?
Oh, and since this series is Gainax and strongly inherits the Top of Nerae series, we should also bring up 787 foot (240 meters) tall giant robot doing a electrifying kick through couple of thousand space monsters while yelling "Super Inazuma (Lightning) Kick!", while the BGM shouts "fight on!".
My point is, if you can't stand that super robots have aimed-for-children hissatuwaza, then you're completely watching the wrong genre.
We will not allow super robot shows without hissatsuwaza. No way sir.
I waited 20 damn years for a gainax series to inherit the spirit of the first Top o Nerae, for god's sake. YOU WILL NOT ROB IT FROM ME! :heh:
I'm eagerly awaiting to see just how rediculous the later moves are going to be.
Considering the sheer scale of the battle seen in the first episode, exceeding even the rediculous astronomical level of Gunbuster, I expect no less than drill that shears the very space itself. :rolleyes:
Super robot show without stock footage and attack name?
Which one?
Not to mention that there's heck of a lot more Super robot shows than that list. :D
Perhaps he meant "robot shows" in general, including hard-core war stories like Gundam, Dugram, and Votoms.
The "real-robot" series, as SRW games have categorized in recent years.
Maids! Maids! Maids!
2007-06-12, 23:00
Oops! Wrong thread. :)
Is Giga Drill Driver any more rediculous than stabbing the earth with a gaigantic screw driver and yelling Divining Driver, or whacking the opponent mech with a gigantic golden mallet yelling Goldion Hammer?
Oh, and since this series is Gainax and strongly inherits the Top of Nerae series, we should also bring up 787 foot (240 meters) tall giant robot doing a electrifying kick through couple of thousand space monsters while yelling "Super Inazuma (Lightning) Kick!", while the BGM shouts "fight on!".
My point is, if you can't stand that super robots have aimed-for-children hissatuwaza, then you're completely watching the wrong genre.
We will not allow super robot shows without hissatsuwaza. No way sir.
I waited 20 damn years for a gainax series to inherit the spirit of the first Top o Nerae, for god's sake. YOU WILL NOT ROB IT FROM ME! :heh:
I'm eagerly awaiting to see just how rediculous the later moves are going to be.
Considering the sheer scale of the battle seen in the first episode, exceeding even the rediculous astronomical level of Gunbuster, I expect no less than drill that shears the very space itself. :rolleyes:
Not to mention that there's heck of a lot more Super robot shows than that list. :D
Perhaps he meant "robot shows" in general, including hard-core war stories like Gundam, Dugram, and Votoms.
The "real-robot" series, as SRW games have categorized in recent years.
Gundam have move shouted out too...not just G-Gundam~~
Fin FUNNEL!!!
I was thinking about it the other day and I have decided on this explanation why almost every one was being cold to Simon... except Nia and maybe Rossiu. Just sharing...
Kamina's death probably made everyone more prone to anger in addition to the low morale brought about by the bleak outlook without a strong leader to lead them. Angry at their own inability, cursing their luck, blaming Simon for his false potential. In the past all of them had depended on Kamina for inspiration. Now that he is gone, they have becomed lost sheeps who are perhaps just a bit better than Simon. In situations like this, it's probably easier to blame a scapegoat aka. Simon than to hold each other's hands to continue Kamina's legacy.
As it was emphasized in this ep, nobody really believed in Simon in the same way that Kamina believed in his brother. I'm sure if he is able to, Kamina would fly down from the heavens just to knock some senses out of Simon. These other guys didn't because they are not Kamina, they didn't have the same faith in him. I'm sure some of them still see Simon as an immature kid.
That leaves only Nia who can offer support to Simon, who has the ability to touch people with her sincerity, who is an outsider to Kamina's death, whose character is most like Kamina and who actually believed in Simon.
Yoko I'm not very sure. Her heart has hardened and she is less compassionate than before. However her insistence that Simon stand up on his own at least shows that she has some expectations for him. I think part of her is blaming Simon for Kamina's death but what's different is that she wants Simon to make up for it... hence her lack of sympathy for Simon.
My point is, if you can't stand that super robots have aimed-for-children hissatuwaza, then you're completely watching the wrong genre.
We will not allow super robot shows without hissatsuwaza. No way sir.
I waited 20 damn years for a gainax series to inherit the spirit of the first Top o Nerae, for god's sake. YOU WILL NOT ROB IT FROM ME! :heh:
lol aohige, you are not alone.
Omfg finally. if they had drawn this(Simon being moody) out for another episode it would have started to drag. His speech was definitely epic and while the whole episode was not on par with 8 his speech and growing up make it a strong second.
Anyone else smell a recap episode coming up? :mad:
With that could be the pace we're going.
Sinestra
2007-06-13, 07:56
Gotta love the Giga Drill Driver i mean i wouldnt want to see that coming at me, especially during a doctors check up.
Simon seems to have a renewed spirit which is great because he was starting to depress even me. Although some think Kamina's death was tragedy and others didnt really give a damn. I do think his death serve an important lesson for Simon. Simon wanted to be just like him but Simon is Simon not Kamina. Kamina was walked his path he went where he wanted and did what he wanted and most certainly said what he wanted. But his path is and was not Simon's he needed to find his own reason to fight and to walk forward and I think he finally found it. He doesnt need Kamina to contiune forward the opposite he should go even further with Kamina in his heart but also do things for himself.
Also, the last general made a stunning comment. Something about humans thinking all humans are allies and not enemies who do you think they are up aganist?
Does this imply that the Spiral King is indeed a human?
Also, what the spiral king has done to the woman down through the ages is just wrong
Anyone else smell a recap episode coming up? :mad:
No, not really.
Also, the last general made a stunning comment. Something about humans thinking all humans are allies and not enemies who do you think they are up aganist?
Does this imply that the Spiral King is indeed a human?
Also, what the spiral king has done to the woman down through the ages is just wrong
The Spiral King is immortal and can not be human. He can be humanoid which is reflected in his female tastes and the shape of his hands. However, we have not seen his face yet or the rest of his body. He could be an upright biped whose genetic ancestry is totally different.
Those girls came from collaborating villages and were existing in a collaborating village. There's probably more of that going on than what Simon's group thinks. This is a children's title and they are not going to go into great detail imo.
Plus, we don't know yet how many humans are living inside the capital and what they are doing there.
Or for that matter, we don't know what started this whole mess with another species wanting to exterminate humans.
Also, the last general made a stunning comment. Something about humans thinking all humans are allies and not enemies who do you think they are up aganist?
Does this imply that the Spiral King is indeed a human?
Also, what the spiral king has done to the woman down through the ages is just wrong
I don't believe the turtle general is talking about the spiral king, but his trap of using the village girl, since the Gurren-Dan didn't suspect of it being possible trap.
So not suspecting human as enemy got them into that situation.
I don't believe the turtle general is talking about the spiral king, but his trap of using the village girl, since the Gurren-Dan didn't suspect of it being possible trap.
So not suspecting human as enemy got them into that situation.
Yes, that is clear but his last words were: “Don’t you know who your real/major/number one enemy is?” opening the way to a very ominous foreshadowing about humanity itself being humans’ biggest “problem” or that the Spiral King is human himself and has achieved immortality by scientific means.
Sinestra
2007-06-13, 14:16
Yes, that is clear but his last words were: “Don’t you know who your real/major/number one enemy is?” opening the way to a very ominous foreshadowing about humanity itself being humans’ biggest “problem” or that the Spiral King is human himself and has achieved immortality by scientific means.
Thants the idea i got from it. Assuming that the translation is right the way the turtle general said it made you think hum.....then there was the way he smirked about it. It obvious that humanity/ single human is playing a bigger role than just the oppressed little guys fighting back at a tyrant.
Deathkillz
2007-06-13, 17:42
The Spiral King is immortal and can not be human. He can be humanoid which is reflected in his female tastes and the shape of his hands. However, we have not seen his face yet or the rest of his body. He could be an upright biped whose genetic ancestry is totally different.
but whos to say that he didnt used to be human? stuff like this seem all too common but in this case it can work out ~ maybe something happened to the king when he was human which caused his hate for humans to grow into the state that it is now...
but whos to say that he didnt used to be human? stuff like this seem all too common but in this case it can work out ~ maybe something happened to the king when he was human which caused his hate for humans to grow into the state that it is now...
I never narrow my options until I see his full character appearance. For all you know, he could be one of the experiments to manufacture a new lifeform that went wrong. He's probably sterile or genetically incompatible with the current human population too on top of being immortal imo.
Plus, those generals wouldn't follow a human imo.
I started to grow fond of the whole world of the Beastmen and the Beastmen themselves. This idea is better executed, at least the enemy possess their proper kind of quirks and personalities. I really hated the whole concept of beastmen and quasi-Darwinesque themes portrayed in the crappy Spiderman Unlimited TV series.
Basically, the Spiral King is an a****le and bastard. I don't how to put whether this guy is hedonistic or simply since he views himself at top of the food chain gives him the right to treat others like garbage whether or not they agree with him.
Nia is and was just the current among past generations of discarded daughters. She became the worst to him due that she challenged his system of beliefs.
I'm having mixed thoughts about Nia because she's too sugary and optimistic, but that may be because she barely hasn't time to grow and experience the tragedies and calamities of the outside world yet. We have to give her room and time to grow, but regardless of those thoughts both she and Simon make up for an ideal couple to the anime.
Besides, she earn my deepest sympathies when slapped out of the blue that perverted pimp of Guame. Not to mess with a frail, innocent dolly, you hear me lizard.
Ok. Kittan just because you assimilated Kamina's mannerism and way of speaking that means you're not going to make a miracle on a suicide mission. Kamina is no longer here, but his message lives on.
I definitely loved Simon's comeback, as he grew exponentially in this single episode because he realized by himself to be Simon and that is the Simon that he always wanted to be; not the Simon that everyone places their expectations on and neither the Simon that Kamina believed in.
Simon stopped his self-pity and climbed back to the world of light in a blazing glory to save Nia.
I definitely as well loved those cool shots of Simon and Nia riding the Lagann at 100 ft in the sky, and Simon going Giga Break Drill mode in tears.
There are quite two new mysteries that I identified.
Wouldn't be that Simon's Lagann was as well a former toy of the Spiral King, who he discarded because he saw it as a failure or just that its utility ran out in a similar fashion like Nia?
Who is exactly the old man? It was plain gold that he came out of the blue and held Guame's arm as he attempted to shot Nia.
Anyone remember the old guy from Eureka Seven? I think as well that Gurren-Lagann's mysterious old guy is not what he seems to be and holds a mystery that would play its role on a later arc.
So, instead of the Spiral King, can we start calling him the hentai king? Using girls as 'toys' and then if they give birth, he dumps them. I guess that's the darkest thing out of this anime yet.
Sinestra
2007-06-14, 09:36
I started to grow fond of the whole world of the Beastmen and the Beastmen themselves. This idea is better executed, at least the enemy possess their proper kind of quirks and personalities. I really hated the whole concept of beastmen and quasi-Darwinesque themes portrayed in the crappy Spiderman Unlimited TV series.
Basically, the Spiral King is an a****le and bastard. I don't how to put whether this guy is hedonistic or simply since he views himself at top of the food chain gives him the right to treat others like garbage whether or not they agree with him.
Nia is and was just the current among past generations of discarded daughters. She became the worst to him due that she challenged his system of beliefs.
I'm having mixed thoughts about Nia because she's too sugary and optimistic, but that may be because she barely hasn't time to grow and experience the tragedies and calamities of the outside world yet. We have to give her room and time to grow, but regardless of those thoughts both she and Simon make up for an ideal couple to the anime.
Besides, she earn my deepest sympathies when slapped out of the blue that perverted pimp of Guame. Not to mess with a frail, innocent dolly, you hear me lizard.
Ok. Kittan just because you assimilated Kamina's mannerism and way of speaking that means you're not going to make a miracle on a suicide mission. Kamina is no longer here, but his message lives on.
I definitely loved Simon's comeback, as he grew exponentially in this single episode because he realized by himself to be Simon and that is the Simon that he always wanted to be; not the Simon that everyone places their expectations on and neither the Simon that Kamina believed in.
Simon stopped his self-pity and climbed back to the world of light in a blazing glory to save Nia.
I definitely as well loved those cool shots of Simon and Nia riding the Lagann at 100 ft in the sky, and Simon going Giga Break Drill mode in tears.
There are quite two new mysteries that I identified.
Wouldn't be that Simon's Lagann was as well a former toy of the Spiral King, who he discarded because he saw it as a failure or just that its utility ran out in a similar fashion like Nia?
Who is exactly the old man? It was plain gold that he came out of the blue and held Guame's arm as he attempted to shot Nia.
Anyone remember the old guy from Eureka Seven? I think as well that Gurren-Lagann's mysterious old guy is not what he seems to be and holds a mystery that would play its role on a later arc.
Your last theory caught my attentio.n Lets assume what you said is true and that Simon's Lagann at one point did belong to that hedonistic spiral king. It would makes sense that he would see it as a failure considering what it takes to get the Lagann to work for you. A sincerely doubt that the spiral king could make the Lagann operate with his personality. I mean it didnt even work for Simon for a while when wallowing in self pity. The Lagann has a personality of its own and if it does its possible that it actually decideds who it wants to pilot it.
deviousj
2007-06-14, 11:27
I burned through all the episodes of this show yesterday; it's one of the most enjoyable series I've seen in a while. Episode 11 was glorious. I'm inclined to giving it a 10, but I'm going to give it a 9 due to reused animation that resulted in an inconsistency and Guame not dying - he seriously needs to die. You guys have probably covered most of the statements, if not all of the ones that I'll list, but I guess I'll just post my thoughts on this episode regardless.
Yoko appeared really cold towards Simon, at least to me she did. I really wonder what her attitude stems from though? A possiblity mentioned is that she blames him for Kamina's death. Simon's failure to commendeer Dai-Ganzan swiftly did in a way cause Kamina's death, but no one could foresee that Thymilph would attack from below. She's frustrated and saddened by his sudden death, but I don't think she truly blames Simon for it because I believe she does realize that Thymilph's attack was unseeable. The real reason, at least to my intrepretation, is Simon's failure to uphold Kamina's absolute and undying trust. Kamina is dead, and nearly everyone on board the Dai-Gurren is trying their best to live on, especially Yoko who's doing her best to be strong while crying on the inside; Simon, the person who Kamina trusts the most, however has lost all purpose and is just barely existing. All he is doing is purposelessly fighting, shutting himself in, and wallowing in self-pity; all of these actions are a serious insult to Kamina's trust. When the members were captured by Guame, Simon finally began to snap of it and began to dig a hole out; Yoko's demeanor visibly changed because Simon is finally living up to Kamina's opinion of him and justifying that absolute and undying trust. When Simon gave his self-revelation speech, Yoko's attitude towards him completely turned into trust. By the end of the episode, she's pretty much treats him the same as she did before, but now with profound belief in him as well.
Nia. Wow. I find myself liking her more and more every passing episode; in fact, she's probably my third or fourth favorite character in the series by now, behind Kamina, Simon, and possibly Viral. Four scenes in this episode really boosted my opinion of her: her private talk with Guame, her declaration of trust in Simon, her offer to hold Lagann's controls, and her burial of the other princesses. In the talk with Guame, she showed her spine by slapping him. I clapped during this scene; I really did. The declaration of trust in Simon was really amazing to me because everyone in the Dai-Gurren brigade gave up on him, but this girl he just met trusts him so much, almost as much as Kamina, because during that time he saved her he didn't think about his safety at all (granted this was in part due to the fact he didn't really care to live at that point, but Nia just saw it as selflessness so let's just go with the flow). Her offer to hold Lagann's controls was really sweet; she saw the state his hands were in and offered him something soft to hold. It shows her kindness and is a big step for Simon x Nia. The burial of the other princesses is a big scene as well because it shows how caring she is, even to people she never even knew.
Simon has now officially become my favorite character in the series; yes, he has surpassed Kamina in my character rankings. The scene when he begins to snap of out it by digging the hole was great; his hands were bloody and blistered, but he just sat there quietly digging a way out with his tiny drill just like when Kamina and him were trapped underground. The declaration of self-worth was glorious; that scene singlehandedly made him the most awesome character in the series and one of the most GAR, if not the most GAR, characters ever. He stood up and looked backwards to the past by proclaimed that Kamina lives on in his heart and on his back while looking forwards to the future by declaring himself not as Kamina's brother but as his own man, Simon the Digger. The speech was delievered with vigor and passion befitting of a super robot show protagonist, but it wasn't excessively hotblooded as that wouldn't fit with Simon's character at this point in the series. Then, he Giga Drill Breaker'd (now officially an English verb) Guame's ass, and that just made my day. By doing that, he showed that he is just as good as Kamina and even has the potential to surpass him because he's so young. He also seized the respect of his crew as he should.
Random incoherent thoughts will now follow!
Nia's eyes are pretty; seriously, some of the best eyes in anime.
SaiGar 2008 is over; they shouldn't even hold the contest.
The drill coming from beneath Nia, did this come off as a sexual innuendo to anyone else?
Guame's a lolicon, and not even the amusing kind. He's just plain disgusting, and he needs to perish.
Spiral King is a jackass, a super hedonistic jackass. How can anyone abandon Nia? Jackass.
The Kamina busts were kinda creepy. It's cool Simon is artisically talented, but the busts were still kinda creepy.
Simon needs to make statues of Nia and Yoko. He's got the talent.
Simon's googles kick ass. I want a pair.
Rossiu's on his way to being pretty GAR himself; he just needs to bask in Simon's GARness and he's set.
For some reason, I see tangowr everywhere.
For some reason, I wrote a lot more than I thought I would.
Maybe the Spiral King is a robot?
From the looks of it, he's pretty "large" for a human.
how on earth can he be human when he can impregnant little girls?
how on earth can he be human when he can impregnant little girls?
I don't think he impregnates the girls from his harem... I doubt he could even reproduce the natural way. He probably uses the "recruited" human woman to please his carnal desires and one way or another, genetics or quantum existence or whatever you like, "creates" the princesses or princes for fun once in a while when he feels parental. I'm betting he only does so to "regain" some of his own humanity but becomes afraid the more "self-aware" his off-springs/toys become and tosses them away to avoid confusion in his own heart.
This is just pure speculation, mind you.
Malintex_Terek
2007-06-15, 16:11
how on earth can he be human when he can impregnant little girls?
He sounds more like one of those biologist madman types. Personally, I think he's a clone of Old Coco, or he could be an android.
how on earth can he be human when he can impregnant little girls?
not sure where you get that from. Doesn't said anywhere from the story that those princess are borned from little girls. We only know that Gnome offers "women" from his village to him, not little girls :\.
not sure where you get that from. Doesn't said anywhere from the story that those princess are borned from little girls. We only know that Gnome offers "women" from his village to him, not little girls :\.
Some people might be thinking 'little girls' based on Nia --- though i don't see why.
maybe not 'little' girls but 'young' girls if that deliver the point better, but you can see all the girls in that village are all underaged.
Either way it was not mentioned how those princesses were born. He's doing genetic manipulation to get those lifeforms. He could be using an artificial uterus or another base species (like pigs or sheep) to germinate embyos.
maybe not 'little' girls but 'young' girls if that deliver the point better, but you can see all the girls in that village are all underaged.
That is why they are still in the village. May be the older better loking grown up ones are all sent to him already, we just don't know. I figured we better not starting to discuss age of characters in this series....time lines are different, Yoko is one of the living proves.
Kisuke06
2007-06-17, 09:43
This episode was great! This poll should have "Beyond 10" rating, because this one deserves it. I was literally trembling with emotion when Simon appeared and gave his "I'm not Kamina, I'm Simon" speech.
The Spiral King is immortal and can not be human.
I just wanted to point out that Guame says the Spiral King has eternal life, not immortality. While most usages of eternal life and immortality are synonymous, there is a difference. There are occasions where an anime will use two different words to properly portray the difference, i.e. eien no inochi vs fujimi (or similar words).
Kaioshin Sama
2007-07-18, 12:02
So a pretty good episode here:
First how stupid does Kitan have to be to fall for the girl's and their bad acting. Let that be a lesson to all who think that just because its moe means it's good. Well at least they turned out not to be evil beastmen in the end and they were saved from being turned into pleasure dolls for the King. It's good to see Simon work himself out of his funk (building statues of Kamina is a creepy hobby) and prove himself the most worthy of the title of Dai-Gurren Dan Leader. Nia is also interesting here and is starting to remind me of Eureka from Eureka 7 in how she's becoming Simon's partner in more ways than one. Yoko continues to be pushed further into the background though, I hope that changes. Guame was pretty cool and I've also noted that Lucky Star isn't the only series that employs one voice actor for every bit character, all grunt Ganmen have the same voice. Good thing though it's one of the coolest voices I can recall in an anime. Two things now remain after the defeat of Adian and Guame. One is that Nia was rescued from Guame by that mysterious old man character, and I'm starting to wonder who he is and if he's too play a bigger role in all this and two Guame made the mistake of broadcasting the battle to all the villages (Via 60's era projection equipment no less:confused:) thinking he would crush the Dai-Gurren Dan and with that the humans spirit, but now that everyone saw that the Beastman are beatable and a General at that, they are likely to rebel.
So this episode earns an 8 from me overall for moving the plot forward and being great fun overall, but not top caliber for this series.
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