Claymore - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[Defiled one]

:uhoh:

Hunting season has begun...

Spoiler pictures for episode 11.

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[pomps]

Good ep, waiting for the raw to watch again

This ep is a bit slow paced, with a lot of talking and no tongue in the stomach :D . Well it was expected since there's a lot for Miria to explain to the other 3. And Galatea is just awesome, as usual.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I would assume this is ep where a lot of explanation needs to done in regards to their current situation. Which I am quite interested to see the voting for this ep too.

[zetsumei]

I would assume this is ep where a lot of explanation needs to done in regards to their current situation.

I would think so, it's last ep of the arc, can't wait to watch the sub then read the manga.

[Squawks]

OPHELIA, YES~!

Can't wait for tomorrow, I was hoping that they would put her in this ep and so they did! I almost lost faith, but yes, she's there! :D

[dutchman]

OPHELIA, YES~!

Can't wait for tomorrow, I was hoping that they would put her in this ep and so they did! I almost lost faith, but yes, she's there! :D

And here the face to match the name.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y258/VashStampede/ophelia1px5.jpg

THE picture is from 2chan I haven't seen the raw yet sorry for the misunderstanding.

[toxic_trance]

Ah..finally the episode where we get to see why Miria is such a smart kick-ass Leader. I have been waiting for this one. And since Ophelia is here , its better...the good times of the manga are coming

[Defiled one]

Now, it only gets better and better and better....and better.

[toxic_trance]

Man...with the hearing of Ophelia appearing..i get this sudden feeling that the pace has picked up sooo much. Well..we are in for a lot of Claymore awesomness..

GOD..PLEASE MAKE MADHOUSE MAKE GOOD FIGHT SCENES. If we thought the previous fight scenes were something, well..there is way more gore and action coming than we can imagine

[migs.]

wow #4 Ophelia is there, I need to dl this episode as soon as possible :D

[Fenrir_valindri]

Wow this episode goes alot further then I expected it to, the awesomeness that is Ophelia is here :P

[toxic_trance]

its times like these i feel happy to have read the manga since dwnloading the RAW is possible ^_^. Lots of explanation by Miria which i look forward too. After all, this was when i really started liking Miria. Also Galatea's awesome Yoki sense. And The #4..well..Ophelia sama makes her debut. And looking at the screen cap..i think MADHOUSE has done a good job

[Majek]

Aha so ep 12 or maybe even 13 is what i should expect the most :D

[hi no ken Jebus]

Since a good chunk of this was Miria and her long winded explanation I wasn't expecting much. I did however enjoy the little extra bit of her flashback fighting Hilda. Next one formally introduces that loose cannon so it should be good:heh:.

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/5521/cm11sj6.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cm11sj6.jpg)

[Defiled one]

^ That was not -_- I am lost...........I cannot predict the future anymore. :sad:

[Mentar]

First time ever I pull a rare "9" for an episode which is basically only all-talk.

Why?

Because for me, this was the single most important episode in Claymore ever. This was when it finally dawned on me that something special was happening with this show. It literally opened up, and you could see the long-range story threads spawning from now on.

I remember that back then, I was (pleasantly) surprised to learn of the Organization's betrayal. That the simply layout Yoma/Awakened = bad, Claymores/Organization = good was not just broken up, but shattered into pieces. The world wasn't black and white anymore, it turned grey, very grey in fact. And it was lifted way above the standard shonen genre.

Seeing distinctly different Claymores with their own agendas, seeing the Organization as cruel and heartlessly sending their own kind to die (but maybe with a justification? I wondered), seeing Galatea gobbling up the information and trying to make heads or tails out of it...

...and then, seeing the final salute with the vow they made. Such a simple gesture, but yet emotionally powerful.

Standard shonen, adieu. The real story begins now.

[Deathkillz]

:uhoh:

Hunting season has begun...

Spoiler pictures for episode 11.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/279/ophelia2sy3.jpg
so he does have a spine! :o
i cant wait to see how things unfold! and reading what Mentar wrote im not surprised one bit that the claymore world isnt just black and white :rolleyes:

[Westlo]

<3 Ophelia

[B-day]

This episode explains a lot of things, takes the story to a new direction, we got to see Ophelia.....miss#4. I expect the coming episodes will be more action orientated. Can't wait.

[dutchman]

I haven't rated it yet since I first want to see the sub.

However I really liked this episode even though it was mostly talking , some backflashes and explanation. However this is indeed as some others already mentioned a crucial moment. From here the story will pickup a notch of 2 and the action move into an even higher gear (I really hope they have enough budget).

I really liked how they showed how in a short period the 4 have gotten real close comrades. I guess sharing a near death experience and surviving it helps forging this kind of strong emotional bonds.

This is something I really like in Claymore. The attitude of "my sword is your sword, and my life is your life" is so honourable I guess I am a sucker for that kind of stuff:heh:

and lastly look into her blue blue eyes (er or silver ;))

http://i11.tinypic.com/4r9ptew.jpg

Galetea (a.k.a. Miss Claymore)

[B-day]

Galatea, Miss Claymore, haha. I like it.

[wrex_japan]

However I really liked this episode even though it was mostly talking , some backflashes and explanation. However this is indeed as some others already mentioned a crucial moment. From here the story will pickup a notch of 2 and the action move into an even higher gear (I really hope they have enough budget).

I really liked how they showed how in a short period the 4 have gotten real close comrades. I guess sharing a near death experience and surviving it helps forging this kind of strong emotional bonds.

Galetea (a.k.a. Miss Claymore)

Ep. 11 Screencaps and summary. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=537)

LOL, yes, I agree, Galatea is my vote for "Miss Claymore" She's tall, beautiful, and got talent.

I agree this may be a crucial moment, as the four girls are aware that there is more to than just killing youma endlessly. And their bond is more than just the sharing of a near death experience (which may happen on other occasions)... the four share something more in common. ...that they're half "awakened"

[MooMooFarm]

=] hurry hurry sub sub!

[stormy001_M1A2]

As I said before, the ethos of Claymore operators seems to model on Ancient Sparta hoplites that is made famous in movies like 300. Same outlook, same elan and comradeship under arms type of feel. This ep as I suspected, reinforces this warrior etiquette.

As for Raki, I dare to venture to say one day we shall see him as a very skillful warrior. But for what cause? Who knows.

This story surprised me a lot. Literally.

[dutchman]

As I said before, the ethos of Claymore operators seems to model on Ancient Sparta hoplites that is made famous in movies like 300. Same outlook, same elan and comradeship under arms type of feel. This ep as I suspected, reinforces this warrior etiquette.

This story surprised me a lot. Literally.

H'm that is a good comparison I must say.

Although of course I must admit that its much more pleasing having to watch 47 beautiful slender female warriors. Then 300 over muscled sweaty hairy chested spartan males like in the movie;)

[Mentar]

=] hurry hurry sub sub!

Just so you don't endlessly hit "reload" today - our TL is travelling, so we'll be around 1 day late.

[migs.]

^
Hmmm that's bad but I think it's ok, I'll be more excited to watch it instead :D

and wow, Galatea has blue eyes?

[stormy001_M1A2]

H'm that is a good comparison I must say.

Although of course I must admit that its much more pleasing have to watch 47 beautiful slender female warriors. Then 300 over muscled sweaty hairy chested spartan males like in the movie;)

Hahahaha, you have no idea how many of my female friends swooned by such crass exploitation of male machismo. Guess some of us have Claymore to counter it? :D

[Anh_Minh]

Not really.
Theresa: "This is CLAYMORE!"
Us: *retch*

[EasyPrey]

After watching this episode, I came to this conclusion: Galatea is hot!

Man, she is just gorgeous. And the blue eyes! :confused:

If one word could some up Galatea, it would be graceful. From the manor she walks to her perfect figure (thank god she did not get double-D breasts, like so common in Anime and Manga).

The voice actress also did a very good job on Galatea's voice. Instead of hurrying the words and raising the pitch (so common nowadays), she spoke very deliberately eloquently.

Oh yeah, some girls were talking and carving Claymore symbols in the rock. May be they were talking painting lessons. Who knows. ;)

-EasyPrey

[Defiled one]

Yeah...Painting lessons...;_; Horrible painting lessons ;_;

[Westlo]

After watching this episode, I came to this conclusion: Galatea is hot!

Man, she is just gorgeous. And the blue eyes! :confused:

If one word could some up Galatea, it would be graceful. From the manor she walks to her perfect figure

We don't call her Miss Claymore for nothing!

[t3ck]

Galatea... she was animated so perfectly! Miss Clyamore indeed. Really gorgeous. She's climbing up my ladder of favourite char. Just behind Teresa and Miria. And all this in less then 5mins of screenplay!

Nice episode. Lots of story telling. And a glimpse on the psycho no. 4. Can't wait for next week for her debut! The turning point of the show! Especially for Clare!

[stormy001_M1A2]

Galatea maybe hot as long she stays in armour. Surely her real body will produce same reaction like Theresa's. Hhahahaha

[TinyRedLeaf]

First time ever I pull a rare "9" for an episode which is basically only all-talk.

Why?

Because for me, this was the single most important episode in Claymore ever. This was when it finally dawned on me that something special was happening with this show. It literally opened up, and you could see the long-range story threads spawning from now on.


Indeed. :)

The story is picking up, and despite the heavy dialogue, I definitely liked this episode far more than the previous one. This is the crucial turning point, where the plot really becomes so much better.

(Shame then that the art goes the opposite direction. And the BGM, well, it sucks as usual. 'Nuff said.)

For those all the reasons stated above, my vote's 8 for this round.


LOL, yes, I agree, Galatea is my vote for "Miss Claymore" She's tall, beautiful, and got talent.


Woohoo. Much <3 for our Claymore Cover Girl. Someone go sign her up for idoru duties already. ;)

And so, with this episode, the Claymore Top 5 have been introduced, and we know Miss Claymore is no push-over either. If you thought Phantom Miria was awesome, how do you think the Top 5 would turn out? Stay tuned. :)

[migs.]

lol any claymore would look like that, I wonder why, do they have like a yoma face on their body, lol :D

I wonder why Galatea's eyes is blue, or it's gray and it became blue due to the lighting conditions

[zato_1one]

Galatea owned!!! :love:

I really love background art in this episode. Very beautiful. And Miria flashback was interesting too. I assumed that that time Miria was still not promoted to No.6 Or else there would have two single digits to hunt an Awakened which I thought the Org. wouldn't do that.

Yahoo! Next episode, another elf has appeared! :naughty:

[toxic_trance]

Well..whoever startes the Miss Claymore thing..i would like to thank u for the idea. Even though i didnt draw everyone's fav choice..i did make my version in the image thread. Guys can check it out if they want.

Anyway, so how is it that i hear Galatea has blue eyes??? it can be the actual color, can it??? And how come people forget Teresa for Miss Claymore :frustrated::mad:

[B-day]

Galatea maybe hot as long she stays in armour. Surely her real body will produce same reaction like Theresa's. Hhahahaha

I don't mind if she wears a one piece swimsuit.:love::argue:

[killer3000ad]

Well..whoever startes the Miss Claymore thing..i would like to thank u for the idea. Even though i didnt draw everyone's fav choice..i did make my version in the image thread. Guys can check it out if they want.

Anyway, so how is it that i hear Galatea has blue eyes??? it can be the actual color, can it??? And how come people forget Teresa for Miss Claymore :frustrated::mad:

Teresa's maggot food, but Galatea is a living, breathing Aphrodite without the lovey dovey part, so I can see why people are deserting Teresa's bandwagon for Misses so quickly. /jk :heh::heh:

[pushpaka]

Yup, Galatea is the beauty queen. Even her name was probably picked to emphasize that. In Greek mythology, the sculptor Pygmalion set out to create the most beautiful and graceful woman he could imagine in the form a statue and in admiration of his love for this statue, the goddess Aphrodite made Galatea come to life (in some versions, Aphrodite herself appeared to Pygmalion and was the model for Galatea).

[toxic_trance]

How about ex Miss Claymore then :D

Well, as much as Galatea is really cool, i still like Miria more than her. Miria is such a good leader...neway...i guess Eclipse will be releasing the episode late..i m dwnloading the RAW..cant wait any longer :(

[Mentar]

For me, Galatea's nickname is and will be "Glamor Girl" ^_^

[EasyPrey]

Yup, Galatea is the beauty queen. Even her name was probably picked to emphasize that. In Greek mythology, the sculptor Pygmalion set out to create the most beautiful and graceful woman he could imagine in the form a statue and in admiration of his love for this statue, the goddess Aphrodite made Galatea come to life (in some versions, Aphrodite herself appeared to Pygmalion and was the model for Galatea).

Wow! Impressive. I just saw her and was amazed by her beauty and grace. Voice actress truly did an outstanding job. She even spoke gracefully. I looked all over the web and could not find out the actress' name that did the voiceover for Galatea. I am just glad that they did not go with a fast talking high pitch "school girl" sound.

I am beginning to second guess the physical problem with Tressa. I think that, that may have been limited to her. Even if it was not. It is not a big deal. We know that Claymore's leg are fine (we see them all the time). We also know that their shoulder are fine (last episode showed missing attire from shoulder). So we are already in the territory of one-piece bathing suite.

I guess all you need is something to cover up the stomach. Bottom line: I'll do Galatea. No problems here. :p

[Shinen]

I looked all over the web and could not find out the actress' name that did the voiceover for Galatea. I am just glad that they did not go with a fast talking high pitch "school girl" sound.

Huh? But you didn't look at the thread right here in the forum? ;) In fact Claymore is *the* series to recommend to all these people that can't take high-pitched japanese voices and believe that all japanese women talk like that ....

[toxic_trance]

Well i saw the RAW..
k..i think the MADHOUSE guys did a mistake
We know that the stoomach region of Claymores are supposed to be some disgusting goo. But Miria's Stomacck looked clean in a scene. The part where her clothing was torn clearly showed a clean nice plain stomach.

[B-day]

My bad, Galatea suddenly becomes a hot topic.:heh::heh:

[IMSabbel]

Well i saw the RAW..
k..i think the MADHOUSE guys did a mistake
We know that the stoomach region of Claymores are supposed to be some disgusting goo. But Miria's Stomacck looked clean in a scene. The part where her clothing was torn clearly showed a clean nice plain stomach.

Again my point of view: The "bandits vomit" thing was retconned out by the mangaka later on. It will never be picket up again, or refered to in any way.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Not really, I was pretty sure the unsightly view was supposed to be from the chest area, not the stomach region, and I have my own personal theories regarding such things.

[zetsumei]

And how come people forget Teresa for Miss Claymore

Never!

Lol. I can't wait to watch this episode now...with all this Galatea talks >_>; and how hot she is. haha~

[Anh_Minh]

And how come people forget Teresa for Miss Claymore :frustrated::mad:

Because no matter how beautiful she was, Theresa's most prominent feature was her terrifying strength. With Galatea, it's her beauty.

[toxic_trance]

oi oi...Teresa is all about beauty. Infact she is the only one who never ever showed her monster face. Infact she is the only Claymore ever to be named for their physical attributes and not their fighting technique. Galatea looks beutiful because she is being projected that way. Plus she never had to face that bi**h Priscilla. No matter how many Claymores come, none can beat Teresa's personality IMO. Teresa always stayed her beautiful self even while dying

[Tempest35]

I still say that the stomach region should be applied to Teresa only. At least until Helen shows Raki a thing or two and then we have Raki's reaction to work with. :heh: Just because Teresa had it there doesn't mean that all of the Claymore girls have their 'disgusting feature' on their stomach.

Anyway, as for the ep. Miria love all around. So many good scenes to get avatars from too. :D And now the Fab 4 is born.

I never got into Gatalea for some reason.... Maybe because I saw her working with the Ewok Bandage Man first off...

[Westlo]

Well I think I was among the first to use the term Miss Claymore when talking about the Galatea. The reasons why Miss Claymore is her and noone else is pretty simple.

* She has the hottest character design of all the claymores.

So Miss Claymore, Glamor Girl, Cover Girl whatever = Galatea.

Back to the stomach thing, could that have been a Teresa only thing?

[stormy001_M1A2]

Galatea personality would seems to suggest that she is like a court lady, elegant and sophisticated belle of high order. Like someone pointed, she is based on Greek mythology of a perfect lady in every sense. This would suggest the author intended to make her that way and in future episodes, she will be something a dichotomy. A highly exalted beauty who seem out of place with Claymore business. Galatea feels like a supermodel who actually have proficiency to pick up AK-47 and good with it.

Theresa, while beautiful, she is more practical and never considered how she look. She has the down to earth persona, a kind of girl from next door feel.

[B-day]

So much talk about Galatea- Miss Claymore, but she only gets 9 votes vs Teresa 46 votes in the "favorite character in claymore" thread. :hmm: So many people prefer "Girl next door" than "Supermodel" :dots:

[Westlo]

Wait until the second character poll thread, Miss Claymore will show you *shakes fist*

[B-day]

Can't wait to see Miss Claymore in action(with AK-47 and swimsuit) in future episodes, so exciting.:topicoff:

[Deathkillz]

Because no matter how beautiful she was, Theresa's most prominent feature was her terrifying strength. With Galatea, it's her beauty.
teresa is beautiful in every way! :o she is perfection...and with just one trait i dont think that Galatea can even stand close to her :rolleyes:

[zetsumei]

I really have to agree with Deathkillz here.

perfection = Teresa!!!

[khryoleoz]

Am I the only one whom Teresa captured by her more equitable sense of justice compared to others who are compromising, naively wooden or even twisted? Graceful yet strong she is, but the way she violated an imperfect code to exact wrath upon deserving vermin and protect an innocent and wield her strength to exert her will to fight the world to uphold it. That's where Teresa won me over. Hence Priscilla is 100 fold more unforgivable.

[Wake90]

Hmm... Google has failed me many times looking for episode 11. ne 1 have a link i could take for it?

[EasyPrey]

When Tressa died, my jaw hit the ground. I just did not see the sequence of events folding in that manor. That was a depressing moment. :(

Fast forward to now. Tressa is now magget food. Galatea is fit for human consumption. ;)

However, there are differences between the two (other than beauty). Tressa (pre-Claire), did not think much. She just went and did her job ("Yes Boss"). Her favorite time was messing with town folk's minds ("if you do not pay, yomma may attack soon!"). Tressa did not appear to be more than just muscle in the eyes of the org.

In this episode, we see Galatea interacting with the org. The org's candor towards Galatea is completely different. This tends to suggest that Galatea is respected for her mind as well by the org.

-EasyPrey

[cf18]

I just want to congratulate myself for guessing it mostly right (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=981765&postcount=93). Please carry on you Claymore lusting... :heh:

[NoSanninWa]

I just want to congratulate myself for guessing it mostly right (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=981765&postcount=93). Please carry on you Claymore lusting... :heh:
I noticed that post. I was rather impressed by your speculation actually.

[hollywoodlou]

Galatea is indeed hot...but Teresa's artwork is astounding. Too bad she had her hands (and head) cut off.

Sometimes I wished Teresa was Clare and the other way around, but then again I'm not Nobi, the creator of the series.

[cors8]

Galatea is indeed hot...but Teresa's artwork is astounding. Too bad she had her hands (and head) cut off.

Sometimes I wished Teresa was Clare and the other way around, but then again I'm not Nobi, the creator of the series.

But then there wouldn't be any Helen/Clare moments...

[hollywoodlou]

But then there wouldn't be any Helen/Clare moments...

you're right...

All this talk of Claymores in bathing suits is clouding my judgement.;)

[bkg9990]

OMG Ophelia <3333

I wanna see her :3

[IMSabbel]

I just want to congratulate myself for guessing it mostly right (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=981765&postcount=93). Please carry on you Claymore lusting... :heh:

It was so correct that i thought you read the manga and denied doing so in order to look cool...

[toxic_trance]

Subs are out ^_^

[zetsumei]

Subs are out ^_^

Haha~ was just about to post that. :p Damn you!

*Nvm you're 20min faster~ lol

[hollywoodlou]

Subs are out ^_^

thx tt! Looks like everybody's crashing the sub site!:p

[Westlo]

Just finished watching the sub, gets a 9 from me. Nice of them to expand a scene from the manga. First Miss Claymore and now Ophelia, can't wait for next weeks ep.

[thundrakkon]

So with this new direction and pact going, I am guessing that these 4 Claymore girls will either 1) start knocking off the top five Claymores in orderly fashion over time, or 2) gain more recruits amongst the top 5 to help them combat the organization.

From #3's, Galatea, demeanor and thought, she might be willing to eventually sway over to Clare's side.

Btw, Teresa might be gone, but she will never be forgotten. (Which makes me think that she'll come back in future episodes, in dreams, inspirations, or other illusionary methods.)

So does this mean now that Clare has a new method of increasing her strength? (ala semi-awaken mode)

[myopius]

Just a few minutes into this episode's torrent I was getting 200 K/s. <3

Very interesting. My speculation is that Clare will have more run-ins with these fellows, exchange information, and occasionally fight and conspire alongside them, but eventually they will meet various fates such as "fully" awakening or getting killed by the organization or (less likely) perhaps a very strong Awakened Being, over the course of the series. I totally look forward to it.

Galatea freaked me out when I saw she heard every word. But I don't think she's an enemy, or perhaps she just has her own motivations that may not necessarily involve her siding with the organization against Clare & co., because she clearly isn't being completely forthcoming with her handler, or whoever that guy is, about what was happening.

Most notable I think, beside the fact that she's not revealing to the organization that they're conspiring against it although she doubts they'll get very far: since Galatea sensed one turn into an awakened one, but then when she sensed it turn back had to explain it as a fluke, it seems she doesn't want that guy to know that such a thing occurred or that it's possible. Although I'm not sure how much she herself was learning as she overheard.

In other words, although clearly she now knows it and she knows the guy knows it since she overheard the conversation which talked about how those 4 were being set up to die (and she must realize that's the reason she was asked to watch over them), she doesn't tell him--because she doesn't want him to know that she knows. If he knew she knew already, then he would've just responded, "You didn't make a mistake, she just stopped her awakening" instead of accepting that "even she could make mistakes". Very possibly he already suspects from her words that what happened was a partial transformation to awakening that was stopped, but in either case he's willing to leave her with the belief that it was her mistake, because he doesn't want her to know.

Next episode looks interesting. And a bit dark (-er than usual).

So does this mean now that Clare has a new method of increasing her strength? (ala semi-awaken mode)
Not sure... Deneve only did it briefly, to heal her wound, and then reverted back to normal level immediately, to avoid the risk of not being able to go back. It seems like maybe Clare could fight at that level for short periods of time with sheer concentration, but there's a heavy risk of going out of control. I could be wrong though.

[Child_of_Sierra]

So now we have half-human half-youma half-awakened ones :P

At this point in time I'm siding with the organization's reason for desposing Clare and Co. cause what happened to them was unprecedented and totally unknown from any previous experience. The higher-ups must have viewed them as walking time bombs that had to be carefully disposed of.

Then again maybe Miria was just paranoid connecting their unusual awakening with the reason for their grouping. It could be as simple as their rebellious nature against authority that prompted the mission and the org was totally unaware of their condition. (if 4/47 can be half-awakened then maybe there are more than 4 and not all of them are killed cause they at least don't have authority issues?)

[Jerseykid]

I love little things like when Galatea turns around and senses someone sensing her. Really adds the depth I am looking for in an anime. Hope they can use raki more without him being a total whimp liability.

[FatPianoBoy]

Whoa... just when I was beginning to get a bit less enthusiastic over the prospect of more intrigue and mind games, this episode comes and whacks me over the head.
Frankly, this is the reason I'm watching Claymore; not the action. This was a sublime plot twist.

It seemed the man with Galatea did indeed know exactly what was happening. I would suppose that his presence is required as a failsafe: he keeps tabs on the battle and everyone involved to ensure that no one who is assumed killed disappears and comes back with a persecution complex. Notice he didn't leave until he found out for sure whether or not Deneve was alive. It would seem that I may have had him pegged wrong, though what I originally thought is still possible.
Kinda embarrassed that I didn't think that they had all awakened and managed to revert back. Although, I did at least get this much:

Awakened Ones, however, are another matter. Provided there's no biological reason for them to require human flesh (if there is, then there isn't much to be done), the intelligence they possess may make them capable of such things.
I've seen it theorized elsewhere around here that, if a Claymore could release 100% of her Youki and still manage to revert back to human form, she would essentially become immortal from the anti-aging effects of the Claymorization and the fact that she runs no risk of becoming an Awakened One. Whether the organization would allow such a thing to exist, though, is something I can't even guess at.
Of course, now I can guess at whether or not the organization would sit idly by with these things roaming around ;)
Miria seems to think they could awaken at any moment, but Deneve went over he limit twice and came back. Once may be a fluke, but twice leaves some room for doubt.
I suppose it isn't even worth predicting that they'll eventually have to fight all of the top five...

Man, this show just exploded with flavor.

[littletomatoes]

this episode was disappointing because they did not include the one crucial thing I was waiting to see- as presented in the manga, right before miria told the others that they've already "awakened".

the anime omitted an important piece of information miria should have told the others. But instead of sticking to the manga miria just said in the anime "no, i have not found anything within the organization yet".

this doesn't really count as a spoiler, for there is really nothing to "spoil". But this just irks me because I thought that scene in the manga (that the anime failed to follow) is supposed to set the stage for a lot more future anticipation and tension.

[Defiled one]

So it seems that they are powerfull as single digits now? ... I don´t buy it.

[toxic_trance]

A very well deserved 9 according to me. For a show full of explanation MADHOUSE did an excellent job and more so for an awesome job on Galatea. The image of Galatea has been captured perfectly from the manga. No wonder that there are so many Galatea fanboys right now.

Well, the show definitely becomes more exciting now with hopefully as much action as much in the manga. Ophelia will be here next episode and it will be gr8 to see how her voice actor does the job. From the small preview we got from Miria's past, i think the VA is good.

[littletomatoes]

does anyone else not notice when the anime left out the part where miria says in the manga

"I was researching the organization .... and that's when I found out the organization's biggest secret."

how can they leave something that important out??!!?

[zato_1one]

That's may be a sign of very bad news. It may indicates that there is no second season... :upset:

There never was a second season in planning.
For now but next time who knows...

[Defiled one]

There never was a second season in planning.

[chrry370]

Although this episode focused on more talk than action, i actually enjoyed it... I liked the prospects of them four being the 'foursome' attempting to bring down the organisation despite the quarrels in the beginning of the mission. :D

And whats up with the man in the forest? A parent concerning for its child? Yeah right... :eyebrow: Loved miss #3 Galatea's sense of humour, keep your "parent concern for its child" in check...something of those lines...

I'm glad Miria showed the top 5 symbols..because i was dying to see what rank galatea was... initially i thought she was no 1 because of her great skills in sensing yoki... can you actually say that her ability was exactly like Teresa's?

and was no 4 in Miria's flashback? Miria seemed to imply that...no?
The other thing i liked about this episode most was that we could see the depth of potential Clare had. I mean she sensed Galatea! That has got to mean something as Miria and co couldn't pick Galatea off their radars! lol

voted 8 for this one

[zato_1one]

So it seems that they are powerfull as single digits now? ... I don´t buy it.
Even themself did not believe Miria. :heh:

Deneve: Really?
Helen: Don't feel that way at all.

I also thought that Miria might over-estimate them. At this state they were still no match to single digits. If they couldn't maximize their half-awakened power, imo.

Baah, this needless panic about the second season.

Guys, this manga will continue for 4-5 more years. OF COURSE there will be no definite decision about a second season right now. How is that supposed to work? Nobody would know if MADHOUSE would even BE THERE in 4-5 years.

Storywise, the deviation from "I discovered the biggest secret" (manga) to "No, I haven't found anything conclusive" (anime) is negligible and doesn't make any difference yet. If anything, it would be more Miria-ish to underplay her hand, especially since at the moment she has nothing to tell the other girls.

So take a deep breath and relax ;)

You're right. I just panic a little. :)
Ugh... My bad. I clicked a wrong score in the poll...
May be I didn't have enough sleep. - -"

[Mentar]

Baah, this needless panic about the second season.

Guys, this manga will continue for 4-5 more years. OF COURSE there will be no definite decision about a second season right now. How is that supposed to work? Nobody would know if MADHOUSE would even BE THERE in 4-5 years.

Storywise, the deviation from "I discovered the biggest secret" (manga) to "No, I haven't found anything conclusive" (anime) is negligible and doesn't make any difference yet. If anything, it would be more Miria-ish to underplay her hand, especially since at the moment she has nothing to tell the other girls.

So take a deep breath and relax ;)

[dutchman]

I guess it says enough about this anime if even an episode without lots of action can provide such entertainment. I rated it an 9.

I really loved how Madhouse displayed the shared feeling of close comrades and created an we (4 half-awakened claymores) against the rest of the world (the organisation) feeling.

The Claymore world is indeed not as black and white as it first seemed. (Its no longer Claymore / Organisation = good and Yoma / Awakened = evil) . Clare and her 3 new friends as of now also have worry about avoiding discovery of their nature by the organisation themselves.

Its indeed like our lovely Miss Claymore said at the end of the episode "How many of them will survive long enough to meet me in the end?..A thorny path, indeed.." a fitting closure to an well executed episode.

[Poochi]

Anyone notice the slight changes to the OP credits as well? Even parts of the lyrics seem to have changed.

So if Miria knew Hilda, which I recall Flash Sword WhatsHerName (I've already forgotten thanks to Galatea) refered to as No. 5 before Priscilla bumped her off, then she should have know Teresa personally as well?

And random innkeeper strikes again!

[Majek]

Wasn't that one called Elda?

[Child_of_Sierra]

The part about the innkeeper was a bit forced though, at that point in the episode it was totally unnecessary for the audience to hear and highly inappropriate to keep on repeating to someone who obviously cares about claymores (raki).

talk about insensitive :mad:

[EasyPrey]

I think the part about innkeeper was very important. It let us know:

1) Other teams of Claymores have gone up against this awaken being.

2) The information supplied to our team was falsified. I.E. the org knew about the power of this awaken being yet they lied to the claymores.

What makes it worse, is that among the local population, this was common knowledge (hence the innkeeper's remarks). So there is no way the org (which lost many claymores to this awaken being) did not know about it.

Ultimately, that scene is the key scene that clinched that, that this was a trap setup by the org to kill these Claymores. Heck, the org had a "system". Claymores that they wanted to get rid of, were sent to this awaken being.

-EasyPrey

[Shinen]

yes, Miria's friend is "Hilda", the one Noelle mentioned was "Elda" - eventhough these names are most likely derivations from each other, don't think she changed her name :D

[cf18]

Miria is very interesting, in many ways she is more soft then Teresa. She cares a lot about her fellow sisters - almost lost control over killing a close friend who was fully awakened, and spent her phantom moves to rescue the others. She didn't prepare her sword against the awakening Deneve, unlike the others. I doubt she can be effective if she was ordered to hunt down someone like Teresa.

And base on her description, Ophelia is a complete opposite of Miria.

[Anh_Minh]

EasyPrey: It's not like we didn't know before, what with the innkeeper's first "slip of the tongue", or Galatea's handler's comment that "it was a special Awakened".

Myopus: I don't think Galatea heard anything. She just sensed the emotions of the Claymores.

[HinaThePrince]

the one Noelle mentioned was "Elda"

When did she mention her? o_o

[thundrakkon]

Then again maybe Miria was just paranoid connecting their unusual awakening with the reason for their grouping. It could be as simple as their rebellious nature against authority that prompted the mission and the org was totally unaware of their condition. (if 4/47 can be half-awakened then maybe there are more than 4 and not all of them are killed cause they at least don't have authority issues?)

I am pretty sure that the organization keeps a close eye on them at all times, even if from a distance.

However, their rebellious nature is more of a key to why the organization is getting rid of them than just the awakened state, in my opinion. Say for example, you have an obedient Claymore who awakens. Possibly, it would not care less about the organization or want to do anything to it (like Priscilla per say. If she wanted to, I don't think the organization would be here anymore).

Now, if you have a Claymore who is not obedient, and possibly wants to go against the organization, once that Claymore awakens, it could prove to be quite a threat to the organization.

Oh, and as for Galatea, she has only 2 choices in her future. Join Clare, or die.

[Majek]

When did she mention her? o_o
05.34 in Eclipse sub or v4(ch18)p88

edit: oh, i never pay much attention to names of dead claymores. nvrmnd then

[Shinen]

ah, it wasn't Noelle but Sophia in fact ;) One of the girls that first tried to execute Teresa looks like Galatea :heh:

[EasyPrey]

EasyPrey: It's not like we didn't know before, what with the innkeeper's first "slip of the tongue", or Galatea's handler's comment that "it was a special Awakened"

Saying that "it was a special Awakened" not exactly the same as "Oh yeah, we have a 'system' in place that we use to kill Claymores. All the Claymores that we want to die, are sent to this awaken being for 'disposal'. Hell, we lie to each and every Claymore, before sending them to their deaths. The irony is this is so common knowledge, that even the town folks know about it!"

"Special" does not fully convey what is going on behind the scenes.

The innkeeper was honestly trying to help. He saw no reason for Raki to wait for Claire, since the past experience had shown him that no Claymore ever came back from this particular "hunt".

-EasyPrey

[seiftis]

In the flashback, the fact that both Miria and Ophelia - 2 single digits were sent just to hunt down an awakened being... I wonder if Hilda is that powerful / high-rank? Because IIRC, in normal awaken-huntings, there's usually only 1 single digit in each team.

Unless in the past (which was not that long ago, I believe), Miria was in 10-ish numbers (10-19) and suddenly jump to 6? :confused:

Edit: Voted an 8 for the episode. As some posters said above, they left out the "org's darkest secret" part. I was really waiting for that one as well. :eyebrow:

[Defiled one]

I forgot that when they put psycho music in Ophelia number. Well done.

Ps: Does anybody think that this will end like starwars?...The dark side of the force etc. I have this weird feeling you know.

Does anybody feel the same thing after watching this episode?

[EasyPrey]

In the flashback, Ophelia was not part of the hunting team. You can see that during the hunt for the awaken being, Ophelia took no part in it.

Ophelia just happens to be there at the right time (for dramatic purposes). :eyebrow:

-EasyPrey

[Revolutionist]

I forgot that when they put psycho music in Ophelia number. Well done.

Ps: Does anybody think that this will end like starwars?...The dark side of the force etc. I have this weird feeling you know.

Does anybody feel the same thing after watching this episode?

I sorta get that feeling ^_^

[Mentar]

Again, why the complaint about the "darkest secret" part? If anything, the anime is much more consistent, because Miria's manga talk (correctly) netted her a Helen snide comment "How pompous!". Indeed. It was completely out of character. That's not her, just the opposite.

Miria plays her cards very close to her chest. If she doesn't want to say anything, she won't hint at it either. I'm sure that the author recognized this early glitch (since he was still establishing her personality) and decided to rectify it in the anime version.

[B-day]

In the flashback, the fact that both Miria and Ophelia - 2 single digits were sent just to hunt down an awakened being... I wonder if Hilda is that powerful / high-rank? Because IIRC, in normal awaken-huntings, there's usually only 1 single digit in each team.

Unless in the past (which was not that long ago, I believe), Miria was in 10-ish numbers (10-19) and suddenly jump to 6? :confused:

Edit: Voted an 8 for the episode. As some posters said above, they left out the "org's darkest secret" part. I was really waiting for that one as well. :eyebrow:

Miria mentioned that was her third hunt of awakened being(now7th). We only saw 3 claymores until Ophelia appeared. So, it is possible Miria wasn't a single digit yet(at the time she killed her best friend).
Episode 9, Deneve said she had hunt awakened beings twice, so this is the third time for her and she ranked 15.:uhoh::twitch:

[WanderingKnight]

Great episode, great twist, great everything. I'm starting to love this series despite the serious grievances I have regarding artwork. That was one of the greatest plot-filled action series' episodes I have seen in quite a long time. And yeah, like Mentar said, goodbye shounen.

[Fenrir_valindri]

the missing "Darkest Secret" part kinda makes me sad, Miria could have at least hinted at it by pausing, instead of just saying "nope I have not found anything, that is why the organization is out to get me :p "

She is supposed to be the worst out of the 4 in the organization's eyes, so her not knowing anything seems a bit silly.

[zetsumei]

the missing "Darkest Secret" part kinda makes me sad, Miria could have at least hinted at it by pausing, instead of just saying "nope I have not found anything, that is why the organization is out to get me :p "

She is supposed to be the worst out of the 4 in the organization's eyes, so her not knowing anything seems a bit silly.

Only that part was left out, again it follow the manga pretty well. The next arc is going to be so awsome. A lot of action, blood, tension, drama, etc. Claymore is going to be notch up to another level. >_< / Can't wait~~ Can't wait~~

[orion]

Miria mentioned that was her third hunt of awakened being(now7th). We only saw 3 claymores until Ophelia appeared. So, it is possible Miria wasn't a single digit yet(at the time she killed her best friend).
Episode 9, Deneve said she had hunt awakened beings twice, so this is the third time for her and she ranked 15.:uhoh::twitch:

Ophelia did say that Miria was better than #1 in group combat.

[Shinen]

edit: ah no, they didn't change it after all ... I think ...

[WanderingKnight]

People, just a question, but why don't we leave the MANGA talk in the MANGA thread? It's kind of irritating for us non-manga readers to have to cope up with manga people hinting spoilers all over the place. Now, for me, it's obvious there is some "dark secret" Miria knows and she's not telling. That's just awesome, considering how I hate to be surprised by sudden plot twists [/sarcasm].

[Archmagination2002]

It is not been stated if the Organization knows about half-awakenings. It seems farfetched that the Org would know about it.. especially about Clare almost awakening. Consider that when Clare almost awakened nobody from the Org was around(or if they were they wouldn be able to sense Yoki)

Its more likely that the each of the Claymores value to the Org was weighed against their troublemaking. #47 Clare with her habit for disobeying orders(could be forgiven if she was a high number.) #22 Helen with her wildness and causing trouble for clients, #15 Deneve with her perfectionism causing trouble for both client and the Org and finally the worst of them all.. the traitor, #6 Miria. Their value to the Organization was outweighed by the trouble they were causing.

About them being equal now to the single digits.. She means they would rival #7, #8 and #9 of the Claymores. Its implied that she has worked with the 7,8 and 9 before and that Deneve, Helen and Clare would be able to fight with them and have a good chance of beating them now.

[herbert]

the missing "Darkest Secret" part kinda makes me sad, Miria could have at least hinted at it by pausing, instead of just saying "nope I have not found anything, that is why the organization is out to get me :p "

She is supposed to be the worst out of the 4 in the organization's eyes, so her not knowing anything seems a bit silly.

You left out one sentence. She also said, "from org.'s point of view, my doings can be quite annoying" something like that. I think it is good enough to convince Claire and other two why org want to off her (even if it is not the main or real reason). Rest three cause trouble because of their personalities, Miria is intentional seek chances to cause trouble to org.

[Archmagination2002]

I actually like that Madhouse changed that line from Miria in the manga. Much better for Miria to not even mention it.

I always thought that it was a contrived line anyway... Miria said she found something but then she turns around and say that its too dangerous for them to know. What difference does it make anymore? The Organization is already trying to kill them!!

[Anh_Minh]

Saying that "it was a special Awakened" not exactly the same as "Oh yeah, we have a 'system' in place that we use to kill Claymores. All the Claymores that we want to die, are sent to this awaken being for 'disposal'. Hell, we lie to each and every Claymore, before sending them to their deaths. The irony is this is so common knowledge, that even the town folks know about it!"

"Special" does not fully convey what is going on behind the scenes.

Neither does the innkeeper running at the mouth provides absolute certainty. It can still be deduced that they were sent on a mission he expected them to fail. And not a failure of the "try harder next time" variety.

[herbert]

I actually like that Madhouse changed that line from Miria in the manga. Much better for Miria to not even mention it.


About this, I sent your a PM.
Neither does the innkeeper running at the mouth provides absolute certainty. It can still be deduced that they were sent on a mission he expected them to fail. And not a failure of the "try harder next time" variety.

Why don't you just combine these two evidences together and make them proof?

They try harder this time, why not send No. 3 to fight instead of watch?

[Seska]

Please, Manga spoilers kill other curiosity...

Please try to keep them in check, will ya? :)

People, just a question, but why don't we leave the MANGA talk in the MANGA thread? It's kind of irritating for us non-manga readers to have to cope up with manga people hinting spoilers all over the place. Now, for me, it's obvious there is some "dark secret" Miria knows and she's not telling. That's just awesome, considering how I hate to be surprised by sudden plot twists [/sarcasm].

I agree, too.

Spoilers are the Dark Side. And what is the rule for spoilers even hiden in Spoiler Tags here?


Spoiler Policy

* Any spoiler that reveals future events, even under a spoiler tag, will be deleted.
Spoiler tags should still be used where appropriate.


........ No more comment :)


Btw. I am back... Thanks to the Telekom strike.... :(

[flick]

I thought the use of the background music overshadowed some of the scenes. Still - great episode in terms of story development :)

[Anh_Minh]

Why don't you just combine these two evidences together and make them proof?

- because it's an anime episode, not a court of law
- because the innkeeper had opened his pie hole once already. A second time was redundant.

[Deathkillz]

lol i just had a "the three musketeers" moment :heh:

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/4821/snapshot20070614213409ma1.th.jpg (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot20070614213409ma1.jpg)

"all for one and one for all!"

*cough* well after watching the subs i have a clearer picture in my head now than the first time round :3 it does indeed seem like the organization trying to kill off the claymores that have already semi awakened...perhaps this shows their fear in these so called "awakened claymores" as their powers are vastly increased compared to their original state...but still against the top 5 there is a huge gap ~ and for Miria to fear them even though she has gained a lot more power must mean something scary O.o especially her attitude towards number 4...

now the thing is...if the theory that they will slowly become fully awakened proves to be true...there is going to be trouble O.o

[TinyRedLeaf]

Again, why the complaint about the "darkest secret" part? If anything, the anime is much more consistent, because Miria's manga talk (correctly) netted her a Helen snide comment "How pompous!". Indeed. It was completely out of character. That's not her, just the opposite.

Miria plays her cards very close to her chest. If she doesn't want to say anything, she won't hint at it either. I'm sure that the author recognized this early glitch (since he was still establishing her personality) and decided to rectify it in the anime version.



I actually like that Madhouse changed that line from Miria in the manga. Much better for Miria to not even mention it.


Indeed. I agree with the both of you. If I were Yagi-san's editor, I would have suggested that he dropped the line long ago as well. When I first read it, it felt very cliched and out-of-character for Miria.

The purists out there should try to keep in mind that authors/mangakas are human too -- they do make the occasional mistake when plotting and developing their characters. On hindsight, I can think of other scenes early in the manga/anime which Yagi-san might also have regretted creating, so let's not fuss so much over a supposed "omission" shall we? :)

Besides, the anime and the manga ought to be considered separately on their own merits, because they are two very different mediums after all. I do have my own fair share of rants and misgivings about the adaptation, but really, this isn't the right thread for them, no? Take them to the" [Manga] Spoiler venting thread (about anime) for Claymore" thread instead, where they belong.

Finally, a word of thanks to everyone at Eclipse. You guys did a great job! :D I've only just watched the subbed version, and I must say I enjoyed the episode a lot more when I understand 100% of everything that was being said, haha.


I really loved how Madhouse displayed the shared feeling of close comrades and created an we (4 half-awakened claymores) against the rest of the world (the organisation) feeling.

The Claymore world is indeed not as black and white as it first seemed. (Its no longer Claymore / Organisation = good and Yoma / Awakened = evil) . Clare and her 3 new friends as of now also have worry about avoiding discovery of their nature by the organisation themselves.

Its indeed like our lovely Miss Claymore said at the end of the episode "How many of them will survive long enough to meet me in the end?..A thorny path, indeed.." a fitting closure to an well executed episode.


By the time I've finished Eclipse's subbed version, I felt exactly the same way as you did too, dutchman, haha. I had goosebumps when they did their "four musketeers" salute. Great quotes too, lol.

Miria
"May we live to meet again."

Galatea
"....how many would survive long enough to meet me in the end? A thorny path indeed."

I love those lines! In one simple sentence, Galatea neatly implied that she and her fellow Claymores don't, unfortunately, live very long under usual circumstances. (Recall the No.2 to No.5's of a certain generation? :p )

That's what I love about this series. The Claymores feel human, in the sense that, despite their powers, they live short lives that can be easily snuffed out in a moment's notice. That's the same kind of brutal reality all soldiers face in real life.

[Claymore_Obsessed]

On hindsight, I can think of other scenes early in the manga/anime which Yagi-san might also have regretted creating, so let's not fuss so much over a supposed "omission" shall we? :)

Ok ^^
But, what are those scenes? Could you please share with us? I'm curious now.. ^^;;

[TinyRedLeaf]

Lol, it would be a manga spoiler for me to mention them, don't you think? ;)

Go read the manga, and see for yourself. :p

(Guys who haven't done so -- I highly recommend it. If you think the anime's good, well, the manga's much better!)

[Defiled one]

Ok ^^
But, what are those scenes? Could you please share with us? I'm curious now.. ^^;;

You won´t fool me again, no sir :heh: I´m not getting banned this time.

[Claymore_Obsessed]

Lol, it would be a manga spoiler for me to mention them, don't you think? ;)

Go read the manga, and see for yourself. :p

(Guys who haven't done so -- I highly recommend it. If you think the anime's good, well, the manga's much better!)


Well, I am a manga reader indeed ^^;;; ...but I wanted to hear your point. Thanks man ^^

[NoSanninWa]

Well, I am a manga reader indeed ^^;;; ...but I wanted to hear your point. Thanks man ^^
Then go and discuss it in the Spoiler venting thread (about anime) for Claymore. That's what the thread was created for. So that you can discuss the anime from a manga spoiler perspective.

[whitepearl]

I actually thought the bgmusic was a little better this time around.

But yeah, is there any more room on the Galatea/Miss Claymore bandwagon? LOL

I am actually giddy with excitement that the action is apparently going to pick up even more in the later episodes...I love this show.

[B-day]

Go read the manga, and see for yourself. :p

(Guys who haven't done so -- I highly recommend it. If you think the anime's good, well, the manga's much better!)

I Love the anime more, good op music, voice actors are great, give the story more "live"feeling. Don't get mad, I love manga too, but the anime is just awesome.:hmm:

[Solace]

What a terrifying prospect for Clare. Instead of being Teresa's vindicator, she may end up becoming the thing she wants revenge on the most. Especially with the knowledge she may not be able to stop it from happening. :(

Great ep.

[Seska]

manga is more for inner eye aka readers imitation. In the Anime you don't need that, you just enjoy the pictures what your eye see.

But be warned, don't read to much ahead. You will steal yourself the curiosity to watch the anime, you will searching the differents from the Manga and the episode you are currently watching ... Boring... so you can't enjoy it....

[Nightbat®]

Nice ep

Though I do hope that Miria was talking to Helen and Deneve about taking on
single-digit claymores since we all saw what happened when Clare took on Miria
(in a sparringmatch no less)

[Seska]

They have the power, but they don't have the Skills yet :) I think that was what she was saying

[Shiroth]

I thought the use of the background music overshadowed some of the scenes.
I can see where you're coming from. Some of the BGM's used in this episode are usually for the battle scenes -- so it felt kind of strange being giving all this information with that kind of theme in the background.

Hearing about the top 05 just makes me want the check out the manga even more. I just know i'm not gonna hold out with next episode. (I was going to crack a joke about being awakened. :3)

[herbert]

What a terrifying prospect for Clare. Instead of being Teresa's vindicator, she may end up becoming the thing she wants revenge on the most. Especially with the knowledge she may not be able to stop it from happening. :(

Great ep.
No, it is impossible. The thing she wants to revenge is Priscilla, not awakened ones.

A weird question: if Clair was told the only way to defeat Priscilla is to become awakened herself, would she do?

[Solace]

No, it is impossible. The thing she wants to revenge is Priscilla, not awakened ones.

A weird question: if Clair was told the only way to defeat Priscilla is to become awakened herself, would she do?


Priscilla is awakened. She was awakened when she killed Teresa. Therefore Clare wouldn't wish to become the thing she hates, the thing that stole the most important thing in her life from her. The thought that she might be turning into that monster with no way to stop it has to be terrifying.

Awakening fully seems to leave the person with little regard for thier previous life. Even if they retain thier memories they hold no emotion to them. I can't see Clare having the same grudge against Priscilla if she were to fully awaken.

[Anime Online]

If Clare needs to awaken fully in order to fight Priscilla, I don't see it as much of an issue for her. Afterall, Claymores already take in Yoma genes in order to hunt them in the first place. What's a little additional step of becoming an Awakened in order to hunt other awakened?

Of course, there's the thorny problem of losing her consciousness if she awakens, so things that seemed important may suddenly seem not so when she awakens. Then again, this is an anime and the main characters usually do not adhere to rules.

Manga writers just love the "borrowing the powers of the devil to hunt devils" theme.

[hrist]

Hey guys dont you think the anime quality has dropped in these past few eps.
If you compare it with ep 8 you can tell the difference. It just doesnt feel right.

[Shiroth]

Hey guys dont you think the anime quality has dropped in these past few eps.
If you compare it with ep 8 you can tell the difference. It just doesnt feel right.
It makes sense that Madhouse can't keep the awesome level of animation up for each episode.

Though with that said, i haven't noticed that much change.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Surprisingly, ep 11 quality is better. Which is an exception since most TV anime quality slides down considerably after ep 3.

[Twisted Reality]

If Clare needs to awaken fully in order to fight Priscilla, I don't see it as much of an issue for her. Afterall, Claymores already take in Yoma genes in order to hunt them in the first place. What's a little additional step of becoming an Awakened in order to hunt other awakened?

Of course, there's the thorny problem of losing her consciousness if she awakens, so things that seemed important may suddenly seem not so when she awakens. Then again, this is an anime and the main characters usually do not adhere to rules.

Manga writers just love the "borrowing the powers of the devil to hunt devils" theme.

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

Yeah, I say it's a popular theme...

[DarkSide Hero]

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche

Yeah, I say it's a popular theme...

Clare didn't seem too phased by being told she was partially awakened.

It's so hard to not spoil the non-manga readers >_<!

[cors8]

Clare didn't seem too phased by being told she was partially awakened.


What do you mean she didn't seem too phased?

Galatea specifically mentions the effect it has on Clare. In fact, she says that she's even more affected by it than Helen. She just doesn't show it outwardly.

[herbert]

Priscilla is awakened. She was awakened when she killed Teresa. Therefore Clare wouldn't wish to become the thing she hates, the thing that stole the most important thing in her life from her. The thought that she might be turning into that monster with no way to stop it has to be terrifying.

Awakening fully seems to leave the person with little regard for thier previous life. Even if they retain thier memories they hold no emotion to them. I can't see Clare having the same grudge against Priscilla if she were to fully awaken.
Actually, most people I hate in real life are some kind of beings called human, while I don't feel any uncomfortable to be a human myself.

*I am joking*

What do you mean she didn't seem too phased?

Judging from context, I guess s/he wanted to mean "pleased."

[Fruitfly]

For some reason I have a feeling that Teresa was semi awakened too :eyebrow:
She was too powerful. The gap between her and number 2 was so great. She could have been holding her yoki power back because she was scared to use it and might awaken completely :eyespin:

[NoSanninWa]

That is possible in the sense that there isn't any evidence that you are wrong, but I don't think so. I suspect that Theresa was just a Claymore who had a strength seen only once every 500 years. Some people are so exceptional that they just blow away the curve.

[toxic_trance]

I think it is pretty much impossible that Teresa ever semi-awakened. Her name itself suggests it. She is know as Teresa of the Faint Smile only because she has never revealed enough Yoki to disfigure her face. And this is also confirmed by the Black dress guy when he describes Teresa and tells why she earned the name "Teresa Of The Faint Smile".

I mean if Priscilla herself wasnt enough to make Teresa change her face, i doubt there could ever be any other threat which came even a tenth as close to that of Priscilla

Teresa was simply too powerful and frankly i feel she is the most powerful only after Priscilla which hopefull Clare would beat

[hollywoodlou]

Great episode. Miria is such a troublemaker isn't she?

[EasyPrey]

Yay! Ai Orikasa was the voice actress for Galatea (http://www.seiyuu.info/extendedlisting.php?seiyuu=Ai+Orikasa).

I think, I finally figured out the "biggest secret" Miria was hinting about. :o

MADHOUSE was planning a special "hot springs" episode of Claymore. The party was going to be hosted by Galatea herself. The plans call for minor tasteful nudity in that episode.

Miria was agonizing over what to wear. In addition, the soap in that time frame does not make a whole lot of lather. That causes further problems with the "coverage" provided by lather (in the obligatory "let me wash your back" scene). She was going to investigate precisely which network executive has been the road block to production of that episode.

That is my theory anyway. :p

[NoSanninWa]

Hush! You shouldn't reveal such a secret or else I'll have to anti-ban you for that sort of spoiling. It will be quite an episode to look forward to, but it is also off-topic.

[flick]

I can see where you're coming from. Some of the BGM's used in this episode are usually for the battle scenes -- so it felt kind of strange being giving all this information with that kind of theme in the background.

Hearing about the top 05 just makes me want the check out the manga even more. I just know i'm not gonna hold out with next episode. (I was going to crack a joke about being awakened. :3)

You should, you should! :D I stopped holding out at Episode II. The only thing is that the anime is taking a while to catch up, so perhaps to fully enjoy the anime it's best to stick to a few chapters first :)


I think, I finally figured out the "biggest secret" Miria was hinting about. :o

MADHOUSE was planning a special "hot springs" episode of Claymore. The party was going to be hosted by Galatea herself. The plans call for minor tasteful nudity in that episode.

Miria was agonizing over what to wear. In addition, the soap in that time frame does not make a whole lot of lather. That causes further problems with the "coverage" provided by lather (in the obligatory "let me wash your back" scene). She was going to investigate precisely which network executive has been the road block to production of that episode.

That is my theory anyway. :p



Hehe - that would definitely be a turn in the seriousness of the anime :p

[Sinestra]

Nice cool down episode after the chaos of the last 2. Serveral valid points were in this episode. Also, what i found intersting is that the Claymores are not just blindly obeying orders like it was percieved. Elements within the orginization are having their own doubts about their true intentions. Imo all the theories that were thrown in this episode sounded resonable to me and i would not be surprised if they were all rights. To me the Slashers have formed their owned little reistence. Plus I bet they will treat Clare as an equal now and not someone with the lowest rank. After all she had a hand in the final blow to the Male Awakened one.

Im sure no one else was surprised by the theory of the partial awakening. It seems to me that after they cross and come back the Claymores seem a little more human than they were before, but thats just how percieve it. Im looking forward to seeing the reaction of the orginzation about their sacrifices actually surviving their encounter

[Wosho128]

I'm wondering if I'll ever dislike an episode of Claymore. I went through my collection of episodes earlier and I can't find one I dislike entirely. Madhouse just keeps getting better and better with their adaption. Episode 11 had a lot of dialogue; I wasn't bored though. I want more answers regarding the organization and I want more information about Awakenings.

Ophelia sounds interesting! Even number 6 has to pause when uttering her name. I'm not going to read the manga up to this point as I want to keep wondering about the new characters.

[NoSanninWa]

Ophelia sounds interesting! Even number 6 has to pause when uttering her name. I'm not going to read the manga up to this point as I want to keep wondering about the new characters.
And she's number 4 while even the awesome Phantom Miria is only number 6. You just know she's going to be as tough as she is intriguing... If Clare is so unfortunate as to meet her.

[B-day]

If Clare is so unfortunate as to meet her.

Ahooo:bash: my lovely little Clare has to meet the bloody thirsty Ophelia:heh: WHEN?

[Sinestra]

Ahooo:bash: my lovely little Clare has to meet the bloody thirsty Ophelia:heh: WHEN?
ahh:p I dream of the moment Ophelia and Clare meet That blood lust in her eye made me shiver and it will be oh so much fun to watch her and Clare interact. Especially since Clare has been more and more emotional as of late

[Tempest35]

...as much fun as it will be when it is Clare's turn - I'd personally want to see a match between Ophelia vs Miria. They already know each other and they can just jump right into cleaving at one another. :D

[dutchman]

...as much fun as it will be when it is Clare's turn - I'd personally want to see a match between Ophelia vs Miria. They already know each other and they can just jump right into cleaving at one another. :D

Oh dear that will be the ultimate.. cat fight!

[witchking99]

I hear much talk about #4 Ophelia and #3 Galatea. But what can anyone tell me about #1 and #2, Alicia and Beth.Anyone? Thanks and good episode by the way!! :)

[dutchman]

I hear much talk about #4 Ophelia and #3 Galatea. But what can anyone tell me about #1 and #2, Alicia and Beth.Anyone? Thanks and good episode by the way!! :)

Its best you ask that question in the manga readers thread. Cause you will get a lot of manga readers banned if they answer you in this one:heh:

[Negativedark]

Exactly. Go over to the Manga spoiler venting thread, or the Japanese Manga thread. Ask there, and a number of people, (or at least me) will be glad to answer you.

[Deathkillz]

...as much fun as it will be when it is Clare's turn - I'd personally want to see a match between Ophelia vs Miria. They already know each other and they can just jump right into cleaving at one another. :D
something tells me that miria would be the one getting her ass kicked there :uhoh: but then clare can just jump into the fray and pull out her haxx moves ~ the stronger the yoki release the more accurate she can read...though im not sure that she is skilled enough yet >.<

[NoSanninWa]

I hear much talk about #4 Ophelia and #3 Galatea. But what can anyone tell me about #1 and #2, Alicia and Beth.Anyone? Thanks and good episode by the way!! :)
I'd recommend you wait for the answers. If you go looking for them, it will just ruin their intro.

[Guido]

Right now, the Anime Viewers don't know anything about the organization. Only that there is someone that collect the fee, after the job is done. And they support them with fresh new set of cloths and Infos for the next misson

We must separate our wisdom, of Manga and Anime. I know its hard, but what will you think. If someone before your start watching a baseball game, tells you if they won or lost the game? (I think in Nippon, Baseball is popular)

--- Claymore {TV Series} - General Discussion Thread - Page 38

Amen to that my friend. I have finally watched the eleventh episode, and my question to episode four was at last answered. From here on I'm not asking questions that will be answered on future episodes.


The issue that Miria addresses is that the Org. deems "troublemaker" those hybrids that have partially awakened, as it was in the cases for: Miria, Deneve, Helen, and Clare.

Ermita gruffed in frustration because those four actually survived the ordeal against the Awakened One. He expected them to be finished, so the Org would be alleviated its shoulders just a little bit about the menace of "potential" awakened roaming alive. Simply put, the Org doesn't want more Awakened that they cannot be at "uneasy" peace with them. With "uneasy" peace I mean just live them alone, as long as they don't receive a request to hunt them down.

The org I would classify it as the rotten-type of evil and not the type of evil that we are familiar with- the kind that wants world conquest or being dark for the sake of being evil.

Nope. The Org enforces economical control of the world, or at least of the so-called "Continent", where its influence has a tight control on the people through fear of the Yoma.
Yoma kills people + People requesting Org for help + Org sends hybrids + Hybrids dispatch Yoma + People pay the fee in fear of possible Yoma retaliation = Org makes its money and preserves control.

Pretty bastards, aren't they? Yet, as of now the system has proven quite effective so as long as the hybrids do not turn into psychopath killers, the towns continue paying the fees, and the hybrids don't turn into Awakened.



I recall someone who posted in the Biology of Claymore thread that the Claymorization is sort of a curse.

I believe that from Miria's expression of disdain when she mentions that the Org is at fault for giving them their hybrid bodies is of disgust, at least for her feels it that way.
Unfortunately, it is a needed condition to keep herself alive in order not only to fight Yoma and Awakened but to help her battle the Org from within.

For much that Miria hates her hybrid condition it is a needed curse for her in order to make forth her revenge against the Org come to fruition in a distant future.

In Clare's case it is her means to make come true her life-long desire- taking Priscilla's head, and her half-Awakened condition learned from Miria would use it to her advantage to hone her skills.

The thing to me that was ambiguous was Clare last line at the end of the episode. She intends to survive to live on, but I am definitely convinced it is not for Raki's sake. To her that's such a trivial issue right now for two things-

A) She's still got of her shell built around her. Her relationship with Raki is not that strong at the time, since her thoughts are anchored and tied to the past that is Teresa.

B) Clare wants revenge, but this desire stems from chibi-Clare's wish. You see people to me there is no hybrid Clare. The present-day Clare, although already an adult in both body, mentality, and character still possess the feelings and emotions of chibi-Clare.
In regards to the emotional department she is still chibi-Clare but already hardened and distant, or for the moment she still is like that.

C) As I posted earlier, Clare holds into the past. She chose not to want a future, because she's living on to exact revenge against Priscilla. But even if she's distanced and hardened, she's still chibi-Clare emotionally and at some point a few of Raki's feelings are going to touch her core.

I can put it this way literally Teresa is the past for Clare. Revenge against Priscilla is her present and what she lives for to obtan. Laki is the future that she chose not to want.

[Twisted Reality]

--- Claymore {TV Series} - General Discussion Thread - Page 38

Amen to that my friend. I have finally watched the eleventh episode, and my question to episode four was at last answered. From here on I'm not asking questions that will be answered on future episodes.


The issue that Miria addresses is that the Org. deems "troublemaker" those hybrids that have partially awakened, as it was in the cases for: Miria, Deneve, Helen, and Clare.

Ermita gruffed in frustration because those four actually survived the ordeal against the Awakened One. He expected them to be finished, so the Org would be alleviated its shoulders just a little bit about the menace of "potential" awakened roaming alive. Simply put, the Org doesn't want more Awakened that they cannot be at "uneasy" peace with them. With "uneasy" peace I mean just live them alone, as long as they don't receive a request to hunt them down.

The org I would classify it as the rotten-type of evil and not the type of evil that we are familiar with- the kind that wants world conquest or being dark for the sake of being evil.

Nope. The Org enforces economical control of the world, or at least of the so-called "Continent", where its influence has a tight control on the people through fear of the Yoma.
Yoma kills people + People requesting Org for help + Org sends hybrids + Hybrids dispatch Yoma + People pay the fee in fear of possible Yoma retaliation = Org makes its money and preserves control.

Pretty bastards, aren't they? Yet, as of now the system has proven quite effective so as long as the hybrids do not turn into psychopath killers, the towns continue paying the fees, and the hybrids don't turn into Awakened.



I recall someone who posted in the Biology of Claymore thread that the Claymorization is sort of a curse.

I believe that from Miria's expression of disdain when she mentions that the Org is at fault for giving them their hybrid bodies is of disgust, at least for her feels it that way.
Unfortunately, it is a needed condition to keep herself alive in order not only to fight Yoma and Awakened but to help her battle the Org from within.

For much that Miria hates her hybrid condition it is a needed curse for her in order to make forth her revenge against the Org come to fruition in a distant future.

In Clare's case it is her means to make come true her life-long desire- taking Priscilla's head, and her half-Awakened condition learned from Miria would use it to her advantage to hone her skills.

The thing to me that was ambiguous was Clare last line at the end of the episode. She intends to survive to live on, but I am definitely convinced it is not for Raki's sake. To her that's such a trivial issue right now for two things-

A) She's still got of her shell built around her. Her relationship with Raki is not that strong at the time, since her thoughts are anchored and tied to the past that is Teresa.

B) Clare wants revenge, but this desire stems from chibi-Clare's wish. You see people to me there is no hybrid Clare. The present-day Clare, although already an adult in both body, mentality, and character still possess the feelings and emotions of chibi-Clare.
In regards to the emotional department she is still chibi-Clare but already hardened and distant, or for the moment she still is like that.

C) As I posted earlier, Clare holds into the past. She chose not to want a future, because she's living on to exact revenge against Priscilla. But even if she's distanced and hardened, she's still chibi-Clare emotionally and at some point a few of Raki's feelings are going to touch her core.

I can put it this way literally Teresa is the past for Clare. Revenge against Priscilla is her present and what she lives for to obtan. Laki is the future that she chose not to want.


Meh...I think the Organization is spending that money somewhere instead of just getting fat. You don't have that much leisure time without having a few hobbies. My bet is that it's spent on some sort of experimentation involving Yoma flesh. Of course, it could be a simple money-making enterprise, but that'd be kind boring.

Secondly, I think Clare does care about Raki, however, she hasn't been yet put into a situation where she would have to choose between her current lifestyle/attitudes and Raki's well-being. Perhaps there's a future point of drama in that.

[grss1982]

H'm that is a good comparison I must say.

Although of course I must admit that its much more pleasing having to watch 47 beautiful slender female warriors. Then 300 over muscled sweaty hairy chested spartan males like in the movie;)


CLAYMORES! Tonight we dine in HELL!


Yeah. I know its a bit corny. :heh:

Anyways, another awesome episode when there was'nt that much fighting going on. The talk between the various characters was very informative though. :D


Galatea... she was animated so perfectly! Miss Clyamore indeed. Really gorgeous. She's climbing up my ladder of favourite char. Just behind Teresa and Miria. And all this in less then 5mins of screenplay!

Nice episode. Lots of story telling. And a glimpse on the psycho no. 4. Can't wait for next week for her debut! The turning point of the show! Especially for Clare!

The Zaraki Kenpachi of the Claymore world? Or something totally different?

[EasyPrey]

CLAYMORES! Tonight we dine in HELL!

LOL!

The Zaraki Kenpachi of the Claymore world? Or something totally different?

I don't know about Kenpachi. But She (#4) has a pony tail. Girls with Pony tails tend to play with Barbie dolls. She probably caries her Barbie doll set with her. That is my prediction anyway.

AFAIK, Kenpachi does not have a pony tail. I am also going to go out on a limb and predict that Kenpachi probably does not play with Barbie dolls in his spare time. :p

If you want to speculate, may I suggest that you go to Claymore - Speculation & Theories (for first time viewers) (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46937) thread. :heh:

-EasyPrey

[t3ck]

Playing with barbie doll indeed. Well, anymore details on Ms. no.4 will be spoiler. So I guess you'll have to wait for the next epsiode. Anyway she's nothing like Kenpachi.

[Ellis]

Beautiful episode ! I'm waiting to see more of #1 and #2 !

[Zu Ra]

I am still not done raving about the earlier episodes so I will present my thoughts later on . But the picturesque sceneries are back

- The waterfall one where Deneve releases

- The one where Clare returns .

The art and the animation in this episode was truly beautiful .

[Twisted Reality]

H'm that is a good comparison I must say.

Although of course I must admit that its much more pleasing having to watch 47 beautiful slender female warriors. Then 300 over muscled sweaty hairy chested spartan males like in the movie;)

Well, now I'm obligated to post this:

http://a5.vox.com/6a00d09e6a0608be2b00d4143de585685e-pi

Now if only we had a Claymore version or something...

[Tempest35]

OH I'm sure some poor sap will make one soon enough. :D But we'll need to hold back just a bit more in order to make a perfect clip for '300'. Claymore fits so well with it, it's to cry/die for.

[Bloodseeker]

Slow episode as far as action goes, but it was still an enjoyable episode. It did a nice job of setting up the future problem.

I'm getting the feeling that Ophilia is going to be one of those bad guys that's cool but that you still want to see killed off, and when she finally does get killed off, its awesome.

Hopefully the show doesn't slow down and go back to generic yoma hunting for a few episodes before we get back to the main story... (I doubt that it will though, since the show has a nice momentum going right now)

[Bloodseeker]

...as much fun as it will be when it is Clare's turn - I'd personally want to see a match between Ophelia vs Miria. They already know each other and they can just jump right into cleaving at one another. :D

I agree.

Just from the bit that we've seen of her, Ophelia seems like Miria's kill. (I hope that Claymore isn't one of those where only the protagonist kills every enemy that matters... I'd like to see Miria (especially Miria), Helen, and Deneve get their chances to shine and pwn important villains too)

Speaking of Helen and Deneve, they're a lot less annoying when they're not bashing Clare.

[Twisted Reality]

I agree.

Just from the bit that we've seen of her, Ophelia seems like Miria's kill. (I hope that Claymore isn't one of those where only the protagonist kills every enemy that matters... I'd like to see Miria (especially Miria), Helen, and Deneve get their chances to shine and pwn important villains too)

Speaking of Helen and Deneve, they're a lot less annoying when they're not bashing Clare.
But what if Clare wins? *snorts* Yeah right...

[hamstar]

i cant wait to see the next episode, it's going to be violent as hell.

[Twisted Reality]

OH I'm sure some poor sap will make one soon enough. :D But we'll need to hold back just a bit more in order to make a perfect clip for '300'. Claymore fits so well with it, it's to cry/die for.

Caution! This is Sutafu!

*icon of slipping guy impaled upon a monstrous horn, which in turn, is attached to a scaly head*

[FatPianoBoy]

Caution! This is Sutafu!

*icon of slipping guy impaled upon a monstrous horn, which in turn, is attached to a scaly head*

Alternatively, you could have the Awakened Being knocking Deneve into the ravine.

[EasyPrey]

i cant wait to see the next episode, it's going to be violent as hell.

I disagree. Here is what we know:

1) The number 4 will be there.
2) She has a pony tail.
3) Girls with pony tails tend to play with Barbie Dolls.
4) She (#4) is likely to be carrying a Barbie Doll set with her.

Therefore, I am willing to go out on a limb and predict that this episode will about "female bonding". You know playing with dolls, play date with Ken, etc.

That is my theory anyway. :)

-EasyPrey

[Squawks]

I disagree. Here is what we know:

1) The number 4 will be there.
2) She has a pony tail.
3) Girls with pony tails tend to play with Barbie Dolls.
4) She (#4) is likely to be carrying a Barbie Doll set with her.

Therefore, I am willing to go out on a limb and predict that this episode will about "female bonding". You know playing with dolls, play date with Ken, etc.

That is my theory anyway. :)

-EasyPreyHahahah, yeah right. Moar liek Barbie gone completely mental.

[ashesatdusk]

I just saw it. I actually found it a bit refreshing, I rather liked some of the revelations etc., it tends to get boring if its nothing but fighting.


>1) The number 4 will be there.
2) She has a pony tail.
3) Girls with pony tails tend to play with Barbie Dolls.
4) She (#4) is likely to be carrying a Barbie Doll set with her.

O___O

[Defiled one]

So what if she likes to play with dolls ;_; She had a very lonely life...

[Panzerklein]

Kill me if Ophelia like EasyPrey said :D .

[Twisted Reality]

Kill me if Ophelia like EasyPrey said :D .

Nah, her dolls are other people and some non-people as well.

[Joka]

Claymores are fucking badass, but every single guy out there knows that a Spartan would whoop the living shit out of a Claymore. It is not even a comparison.

[hollywoodlou]

I watched ep 11 again (for the nth time) and I'm still amazed that Galatea was able to HEAR Miria'c onversation from a couple of miles away.

[NoSanninWa]

Claymores are fucking badass, but every single guy out there knows that a Spartan would whoop the living shit out of a Claymore. It is not even a comparison.
I'm starting to think that Claymore-300 comparisons need to be made off-limits. Please try to stay on topic.

[Lendial]

would long range yoki reading be useful in the midst of battle? seems like uber speed, strength, bendy body parts, flash sword, flash movement would be more useful.

[Kinematics]

I watched ep 11 again (for the nth time) and I'm still amazed that Galatea was able to HEAR Miria'c onversation from a couple of miles away.

I really never got that impression. I thought she was sensing the yoki and the associated emotions that went with it. By being able to sense the general emotions of several people in a conversation (calm, anger, surprise, suppressed feelings, etc) she's able to deduce a fair bit about what's going on, even if she doesn't know the specifics.

[EasyPrey]

I watched ep 11 again (for the nth time) and I'm still amazed that Galatea was able to HEAR Miria'c onversation from a couple of miles away.
It would be even more amazing when you realize, just how far Galatea was.

For those of you, who did not grow up in a mountainous range, "across the mountain" is pretty damn far. Distances are pretty deceptive when it comes to mountains. Galatea was at the very least 1/2 a day walk from the battlefield. More likely she was "1 day" walk from the battle scene.

That should put Galatea's Yoki reading into perspective. She was accurately reading Yoki from almost a days walk away!

I believe that Galatea is actually better than Tressa, when it comes to reading Yoki. Tressa on her mission to kill 8 Yoki, killed 7 right away, but had to look for the eight Yoki.

would long range yoki reading be useful in the midst of battle? seems like uber speed, strength, bendy body parts, flash sword, flash movement would be more useful.

I think long range Yoki reading capabilities would be helpful in malee combat as well. It is not the range, but just how sensitive you are to reading Yoki. With this kind of skill and talent, Galatea would know every single move a Yoki powered being would make, before they make them. Kinda like Tressa, only sharper and more accurate.

Clare used that talent to avoid each and every attack of the male awakened being. Clare was "learning on the job". I don't believe Clare is a match for Galatea, when it comes to reading Yoki.

Remember, Tressa beat each of the "annoying bitches", despite the fact that each and every one of them was better than her in her respective talents (sword fighting, strength, agility). What Tressa had, was her Yoki reading capabilities. That defeated more power opponents without breaking a sweat.

-EasyPrey

[hollywoodlou]

I really never got that impression. I thought she was sensing the yoki and the associated emotions that went with it. By being able to sense the general emotions of several people in a conversation (calm, anger, surprise, suppressed feelings, etc) she's able to deduce a fair bit about what's going on, even if she doesn't know the specifics.

remember before the closing fade out...galatea REPEATED Miria's words which were ..."you will cross swords with them in the future...(something like that)

Then galatea said afterwards : "how long are you ALL going to survive against me."(in the same vein)

Galatea can sense the emotions/yoki of the 4 from FAR AWAY but when she heard that in the final seconds of the episode, that makes you think of her psychic prowess.

[ashesatdusk]

believe that Galatea is actually better than Tressa, when it comes to reading Yoki. Tressa on her mission to kill 8 Yoki, killed 7 right away, but had to look for the eight Yoki. Teresa's strength isn't just reading yoki energy, to the extent that she can detect where in the body the yoki energy is going to be released from, allowing here to predict opponents moves. Galatea we know can read yoki energy from a distance, and tell if the yoki energy is going beserk ect. That doesn't necessarily mean that in close combat, she could detect yoki energy from a specific body part.

[EasyPrey]

Teresa's strength isn't just reading yoki energy, to the extent that she can detect where in the body the yoki energy is going to be released from, allowing here to predict opponents moves. Galatea we know can read yoki energy from a distance, and tell if the yoki energy is going beserk ect. That doesn't necessarily mean that in close combat, she could detect yoki energy from a specific body part.

Excellent point. I would agree that everything you say here is a valid point.

The problem is that we just don't have any information that Galatea is just as sharp reading Yoki up close (as compare to far away). It is possible that she is not as good as Terresa (knowing which body parts the Yoki is going to), or it could be that she is just as good as Tressa (or even better).

I would think, if our rookie Clare could read precisely where the Yoki was flowing, Galatea with her sharper senses would be at least as good as Clare.

That would imply that she can read Yoki in battle just fine. Now the point boils down to is which one is better at reading Yoki in battle: Tressa or Galatea. I guess there is no way to know since Tressa is dead. But the one time Tressa did read Yoma energy from outside the town, she was not nearly as good as Galatea (when it came to reading Yoki).

-EasyPrey

[Child_of_Sierra]

I had the impression that Teresa was just playing around with her prey in that town. She knew where the last youma was but decided to take her time and tease him.

Galatea seems to specialize in long range reading though, much as the same like the former No. 2-5 had their own unique talents. Future episodes might reveal if she is indeed as strong as Teresa or uses her technique in the same fashion. She is apparently as cold as Teresa pre-clare cause she never got emotional even when she must have realized that 4 Claymores we're outmatched and she being number 3 was just an observer.

[Anh_Minh]

remember before the closing fade out...galatea REPEATED Miria's words which were ..."you will cross swords with them in the future...(something like that)

Then galatea said afterwards : "how long are you ALL going to survive against me."(in the same vein)

Galatea can sense the emotions/yoki of the 4 from FAR AWAY but when she heard that in the final seconds of the episode, that makes you think of her psychic prowess.
Uh, no. That was Ermita (her contact) telling her to remember them, because she might have to fight them. (Because they're rebellious, though he didn't say as much.)

Miria was warning generally against all numbers above her.

Excellent point. I would agree that everything you say here is a valid point.

The problem is that we just don't have any information that Galatea is just as sharp reading Yoki up close (as compare to far away). It is possible that she is not as good as Terresa (knowing which body parts the Yoki is going to), or it could be that she is just as good as Tressa (or even better).

I would think, if our rookie Clare could read precisely where the Yoki was flowing, Galatea with her sharper senses would be at least as good as Clare.

That would imply that she can read Yoki in battle just fine. Now the point boils down to is which one is better at reading Yoki in battle: Tressa or Galatea. I guess there is no way to know since Tressa is dead. But the one time Tressa did read Yoma energy from outside the town, she was not nearly as good as Galatea (when it came to reading Yoki).

-EasyPrey

Not if she didn't train specifically for it.

[pomps]

If Teresa was nearly as good as Galatea in sensing youki from a distance, she would have sense Irene, Sophia and Noelle and got out of the town long before they came to get her. At this point in the anime we don't know how good Galatea is at reading youki in battles, but being able to sense someones youki and figure out there emotions from that distance, my bet is she is good at using that in battles as well.

[Westlo]

Galatea can't hear them, she senses their emotions.

[migs.]

Maybe Galatea's specialty is just sensing yoki from a distance, Hmmmm it seems the same with Teresa's ability, but I think the only difference is that Teresa can read what it's enemies next move, while Galatea my just be good at sensing yoki at long distance, or maybe there's something else that made her #3 :P

btw Galatea's eyes is not blue, Miria's eyes became blue too due to the lighting conditions :)

[Lendial]

i dont think galatea is as good as teresa in body part sensing, otherwise she would be the "next" teresa and have no match in the organization.

During the 3 on 1 fight we saw that teresa was miles ahead of the 3rd-5th and even the second claymores solely because of her yoki reading powers. if galatea can do the same i dont see why she wouldnt be ranked number one.

[Kinematics]

Anh answered for me on what was said by whom.

I'm thinking that there's typically a separation (RPG-wise) between tactical and social abilities, and that it's likely that they are similar, but not quite the same type of talent.

Being able to sense where the next attack is targeted at says nothing about the emotional state of the attacker, other than indirectly due to either precise or wild attacks. Teresa also apparently had no real clue about Priscilla's emotional state (other than the physically obvious) just before the final blow.

Galatea, on the other hand, is sensing emotions, including repressed reactions such as in Clare's case. I have no doubt that Galatea would never get blind-sided by Priscilla. However emotional state doesn't necessarily correlate with physical action, and I am highly dubious about her ability to fight directly against such an opponent depending only/primarily on her sensing skills.

Exactly how her sensing talents could be used in combat is uncertain right now, but I really can't see Galatea's as working the same way as Teresa's (if only due to the fact that each Claymore tends to have a unique knack, and duplicating them across characters would be a bit cheesy).

[FatPianoBoy]

Galatea, on the other hand, is sensing emotions, including repressed reactions such as in Clare's case. I have no doubt that Galatea would never get blind-sided by Priscilla. However emotional state doesn't necessarily correlate with physical action, and I am highly dubious about her ability to fight directly against such an opponent depending only/primarily on her sensing skills.

Exactly how her sensing talents could be used in combat is uncertain right now, but I really can't see Galatea's as working the same was as Teresa's (if only due to the fact that each Claymore tends to have unique knack, and duplicating them across characters would be a bit cheesy).

She's number three out of 47... she must be able to do something with it.

[Bloodseeker]

She's number three out of 47... she must be able to do something with it.

Or maybe its just one of several talents. No one ever said that all Claymores had to be one-trick ponies...

Or she could just be a well rounded fighter aside from that.

OR you may be right, and maybe she's just not able to read it to the extent that Teresa could.

[Lendial]

it seems more than likely she will fight one of the 4 musketeers perhaps then we can see how she stacks up against teresa. id hate to see her bloody up that pretty face of hers though. maybe she has some ability that hasnt even been hinted yet.

[tapio]

Can't wait for 12, the series keeps getting better :>~

[FatPianoBoy]

You don't have to wait. Episode twelve has been subbed for several days...