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Haruyasha
2007-12-26, 00:08
Anyone notice the BLUE DROP ～舞い降りた天使～ in the Blue Drop timeline? Seems to be an extra in the DVDs.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-26, 00:11
Anyone notice the BLUE DROP ～舞い降りた天使～ in the Blue Drop timeline? Seems to be an extra in the DVDs.
I'll quote myself
Yeah, there's a manga coming up along with the DVDs (a chapter per DVD). It's called Blue Drop ~Maiorita Tenshi~ and is set in 2008 (8 years after the anime); and yeah, I'm really hoping it'll include some info about Mari and Hagino, though it's unlikely.
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-26, 00:30
my heart is broken! why sucha great but sad ending!!! atleast in simoun they both died together! but oh well we dont really really know for sure if hagino died and whatever happened to mari after... so im still hoping somewhere they're happy together...
theyre both telepathic so they can communicate somehow..
i hope they did... since mari did not seem to be at a shock when she saw the crash (did she see the crash anyways? maybe its just me..lols)
so many questions left unanswered
lets hope for an OVA! or the next season!
LionsMane
2007-12-26, 01:15
Well after finishing off this wonderful little series, I really wasn't at all shocked by the ending. Regardless I found it a great joy to watch. The series just seemed so different to me especially for something that you could call a shoujoai/yuri series.
Hagino and Mari holding hands was cute too, btw. I think I died when I saw it. So cute...
Well, despite expecting a sad ending, it still hurts to watch it... At least Hagino died for a cause she truly believed in and for LOVE! The 'sayonara' and dock scenes were the most heart wrenching, especially knowing what Hagino did in the end.
Felt for Tsubael as well, having admired (loved?) her Commander, going through so much with and for her and in the end, having to watch her go on her suicide mission.
Question is what happened to Mari? Hopefully the DVD will include some specials to address that. Speaking of which, how many volumes are there to the DVD set?
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-26, 02:33
People should probably still be tagging this stuff...
People should probably still be tagging this stuff...
Yeah. I spoiled myself but I'm still waiting for subs before I try and discuss anything. :p
JediNight
2007-12-26, 02:51
The way it's set up we have to presume that Ekaril is dead. It mirrors the play/real events where Jeanne d'Arc dies. Although it is pretty stupid considering she could have told the Blue to do the jump and ram it, then ejected herself.
As expected, the woman at the end is Micchi going to do the negotiations, escorted by Tsubael and Azanael still arguing 30 years later ;)
The only major plotholes to me are why exactly did Hagino choke Mari at the start of the series, and what is up with her psychic/whatever link to the Arume. Judging by how many spinoff mangas they're having, I'm hoping it will be explained in some fashion.
LionsMane
2007-12-26, 03:19
The way it's set up we have to presume that Ekaril is dead. It mirrors the play/real events where Jeanne d'Arc dies. Although it is pretty stupid considering she could have told the Blue to do the jump and ram it, then ejected herself.
As expected, the woman at the end is Micchi going to do the negotiations, escorted by Tsubael and Azanael still arguing 30 years later ;)
The only major plotholes to me are why exactly did Hagino choke Mari at the start of the series, and what is up with her psychic/whatever link to the Arume. Judging by how many spinoff mangas they're having, I'm hoping it will be explained in some fashion.
I think what you mentioned was one of the few things that I wished they explained a little more. It would have been nice to know why Hagino had choked Mari. Sure one can speculate about the cause and effects of the Emil Force but I don't even know if that makes sense anymore considering what we learned about Hagino/Ekaril.
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-26, 04:31
I think what you mentioned was one of the few things that I wished they explained a little more. It would have been nice to know why Hagino had choked Mari. Sure one can speculate about the cause and effects of the Emil Force but I don't even know if that makes sense anymore considering what we learned about Hagino/Ekaril.
Yeah, that really needed an explanation.
Or maybe there was one, but it was wrapped up in some technobabble that I can't understand. I do hope this is the case.
Also, when are we going to be able to download purchase this wonderful soundtrack? Amazon Japan doesn't even have a preview for it :(
Haruyasha
2007-12-26, 04:51
Yeah, that really needed an explanation.
Or maybe there was one, but it was wrapped up in some technobabble that I can't understand. I do hope this is the case.
Also, when are we going to be able to download purchase this wonderful soundtrack? Amazon Japan doesn't even have a preview for it :(
Is there one?
As far as I know this anime is set in 1999,the year when Nostradamus predicted about doomsday.Now I just thought the last episode is the Blue Drop's version of 'doomsday',the downfall of mankind.
If Ekaril wanted truly protect Mari and the Horime, the suicide mission is pretty useless and a very bad strategy for the mankind future.
Infact how can you protect from the dead?
Ekaril knew she was the only one that believed in Horime, infact we can't say the same for sure about Tsubael and Azanael.
For me, a more logical choice and the best way to protect Mari is if Ekaril programmed Blue to collide with Novaal (it's absurd that with a sofisticated ship as Blue hasn't an automatic-piloting system), or shifted the ship or again she self-ejected with the escape pod. There is also (a vague) possibility that Ekaril we have seen wasn't the real her but an Emule Thought Ekaril? Indeed it's not explained well if the Onomil was only a ghost or an Emule Thought... created by who? By Ekaril? (She was the only one that had seen Onomil figure).
Ekaril may have emulated a suicide attack in order to create a Resistance Nucleus on Earth. Maybe alone, far away from Mari. Ekaril's main objective is infact to protect Mari and Horime and she can do it from distance (same as Yui) and this may explain her heartfelt "Sayonara": she knew that she will not stay with Mari for a very long time (or forever).
The suicide for love is considered a very romantic act, but....in this case...it would be a very very risky choice because there are a lot of variables. Ekaril, if she is really a good commander, cannot be sure that killing Shivariel can save Mari forever. And if Ekaril isn't around live, who will protect Mari? The suicide attack is a
bad strategical decision.
And, I repeat, the very calm composture of Mari during the explosion is odd, infact if you have a telepathic link with your lover during her death, you would have very intense emotions, but also we don't know if they were connected in this moment. Anyways, Mari is not the stoic type.
The parallel Ekaril/Jeanne D'Arc is not very fitting.
Jeanne D'Arc was alone and very angry, her family was destroyed. She had a lot of supporters but not love.
Ekaril wasn't alone at the end. She had love and loyal friends. And she said Horime technology cannot compete with Arume's. Her death is a heavy strategic loss for the vulnerable Earth even if she succeded on the Novaal's destroying.
For me, Ekaril would be far more "grandiose" character if she formes the Resistance, even at the cost to hiding from all, Mari included, and for all of her life.
In general, if the producers wanted a tragic ending at any cost, I think it would have been enough (and more "intelligent") to let Ekaril live and form the Resistance. Infact it's not necessary a martyr to innescate the change of things. It's more probable to change things if you are living and working hard.
If it is confirmed (by the producers) that Ekaril is dead, beh, it's very very sad, very romantic.....and, I'm sorry to say it, it's also very "stupid" for me.
Anyways, a very good series, one of my Top Five of all time!
I'm hoping for a sequel, there are still a lot of unanswered questions.
And I'm sorry for the long post, I'm a little angry. Sniff sniff.
oneplusme
2007-12-26, 05:44
The way it's set up we have to presume that Ekaril is dead. It mirrors the play/real events where Jeanne d'Arc dies. Although it is pretty stupid considering she could have told the Blue to do the jump and ram it, then ejected herself.
I think everyone is forgetting something vital about Ekaril's character here. Given her guilt and self-hatred over the deaths for which she feels responsible, it seems very plausible that she wanted to die in order to atone. (Which doesn't make that sayonara hurt any less...)
Also, she's very much a tragic character. That's what they do. :( Once you start being explicitly compared to Joan of Arc it's really only a matter of time.
It would certainly be interesting to know whether she left Mari something to remember her by, though... I'd imagine the manga set in 2008 would make it pretty obvious if she'd had a child in the interim.
The parallel Ekaril/Jeanne D'Arc is not very fitting.
Jeanne D'Arc was alone and very angry, her family was destroyed. She had a lot of supporters but not love.
Ekaril wasn't alone at the end. She had love and loyal friends. And she said Horime technology cannot compete with Arume's. Her death is a heavy strategic loss for the vulnerable Earth even if she succeded on the Novaal's destroying.
For me, Ekaril would be far more "grandiose" character if she formes the Resistance, even at the cost to hiding from all, Mari included, and for all of her life.
In general, if the producers wanted a tragic ending at any cost, I think it would have been enough (and more "intelligent") to let Ekaril live and form the Resistance. Infact it's not necessary a martyr to innescate the change of things. It's more probable to change things if you are living and working hard.
If it is confirmed (by the producers) that Ekaril is dead, beh, it's very very sad, very romantic.....and, I'm sorry to say it, it's also very "stupid" for me.
Anyways, a very good series, one of my Top Five of all time!
I'm hoping for a sequel, there are still a lot of unanswered questions.
And I'm sorry for the long post, I'm a little angry. Sniff sniff.
Totally agree with you (I just registered for this forum in order to support your theory) But this sequel sounds too good to be true even though I very much wish for it.
Anyway, blue drop is a wonderful series despite a couple minor shortcomings. The script and voice acting surpass every bit of my expectation. Definitely one of my all-time favorites (I still cannot tear my mind off some of scenes).
Totally agree with you (I just registered for this forum in order to support your theory) But this sequel sounds too good to be true even though I very much wish for it.
Anyway, blue drop is a wonderful series despite a couple minor shortcomings. The script and voice acting surpass every bit of my expectation. Definitely one of my all-time favorites (I still cannot tear my mind off some of scenes).
Thank you!
As said from others before, I'm curious if Hagino/Ekaril left Mari pregnant knowing that she probably won't return back to her. But Mari has only 15 O_O;
Thank you!
As said from others before, I'm curious if Hagino/Ekaril left Mari pregnant knowing that she probably won't return back to her. But Mari has only 15 O_O;
Age ain't nothin' but a number ;) Girls get pregnant here in the US at that age and sometimes younger. It's possible just not practical.
oneplusme
2007-12-26, 08:02
Age ain't nothin' but a number ;) Girls get pregnant here in the US at that age and sometimes younger. It's possible just not practical.
Indeed. And what with the Earth being invaded and all, I imagine that being under-age would be the least of anyone's worries.
Hm the pregnant theory just sounds to funny and unrealistic to me..
Anyways, it'd be nice if someone who owns the DVD(s) tell us what happens in this extra manga.
Totaly agree that it's odd for Mari being so calm, especialy for someone who's such an emotional person.
Just occurred to me that Hagino's tender reminiscences of Mari before crashing Blue started from ep 7 (was that cry of "Hagino" in her mind also from that time?)... again nice script.
In this show, by episode 07, noone is in love with anyone.
In episode 7 however, the key scene was Hagino resurfacing, and hearing with eyes wide open in surprise and shock how Mari screamed out her name, broken down in tears. This time, the fear and care for Hagino was evident WITHOUT a danger to herself. Hagino saw how much she cared ANYWAY, and that made her pause, and - in the bathtub - smiling to herself. She liked to see this reaction from Mari. And I believe that she's pondering her relationship with Mari some more.
Also remember the scene where Mari stubbornly insisted that she wasn't really worrying about Hagino? A blatant lie, as Hagino knew, so her surprised reaction, followed by a chuckle on remembering how WRONG this claim was. However, as it is in Ekaril's (the commander's) nature, she leaves Mari be and doesn't confront her. She understands Mari fairly well, while Hagino is still a mystery to Mari. In the past she's been more of a mother to Mari, but after episode 7 she may reevaluate their relationship.
In any case, love it ain't. Yet. Let's see if we get there.
oneplusme
2007-12-26, 09:00
Totaly agree that it's odd for Mari being so calm, especialy for someone who's such an emotional person.
Well, given all that'd just happened, she could well be all cried (and emoted) out by that point. I suspect the tears will come later.
Jet_Maeden
2007-12-26, 10:56
=( oh my bleeding heart. >__<
I thought the ending was very fitting. It tore my heart out...but...it was fitting. Let's not forget guys, what Ekaril did for Mari and humanity was indeed noble. Yeah, I prefer her living and making out with dear Mari till the end of times...but...no. For an Arume, self-sacrifice is the most noble cause. I mean, what else could Ekaril do? One ship against thousands is not an option and to run away with Mari might be more romantic but to an Arume it probably isn't. I'm sure with time, Mari will understand...and we might as well.
what she did was so pointless...i can't even describe the stupidity. Theres like hundred different possibilities how she could have survived with everyone.
Jet_Maeden
2007-12-26, 11:41
what she did was so pointless...i can't even describe the stupidity. Theres like hundred different possibilities how she could have survived with everyone.
Yeah to us it is...for an Arume it is not. I get ya foux ^__^ but....hey...they probably want to make more money...so lets wait for that DVD and extra manga release. We might get a pleasant surprise. We'll probably get a better explanation with the CD dramas.
About the emerging canon of the "ending-dislikers" that Hagino's decision was wrong:
She had other, better options? Really? Like which?
Blue was already severely damaged from the suicide bombers - in fact, it would have been finished had Azanael not returned just in time to call off the terminal wave. This scene was also important for one more aspect: Blue was about to be destroyed, and Hagino wore a "desperately fighting" look on her face - she also did not jettison Tsubael even though things looked hopeless. Compare that to her serenity in the end.
Therefore, the classic "run, hide, repair and start guerilla warfare" reasoning is questionable off the bat. There wasn't that much fight left in Blue - remember how long it took to fix the engine damage last time? 5 years - in hiding from Horime. This time, from the Arume fleet? Wouldn't work. This pretty much defeats the "flee with Mari" scenario right from the start, and Hagino made clear before that her goal was to protect not just Mari, but the other Horime aswell.
Also, I believe that Hagino knew that the invasion couldn't be headed off. She said as much earlier - she KNEW that the Horime would lose. She didn't call the Earth defense force. She didn't rally the humans with an inspiring "fight to the death" speech. Her decision was to smash the head of the snake while she still could: Shivariel. Personally, I think she's got some good points going for her:
1) Shivariel was the mastermind behind this mess, and SHE was the one who targeted Mari. Taking HER out of the equation would remove the primary threat to Mari.
2) It would also make sure that the fact that Blue went renegade on the Arume could not be covered up by Shivariel. This should trigger an investigation WTF happened in the Earth theater to lead to the defection and the suicide attack on the flagship.
In my opinion, this would have been Hagino's best shot to help Earth: Trying to "get the message across" that something really fishy went on, leading to the invasion, which should be reviewed. Alas, seems it didn't work too well...
About the emerging canon of the "ending-dislikers" that Hagino's decision was wrong:
Blue was already severely damaged from the suicide bombers - in fact, it would have been finished had Azanael not returned just in time to call off the terminal wave. This scene was also important for one more aspect: Blue was about to be destroyed, and Hagino wore a "desperately fighting" look on her face - she also did not jettison Tsubael even though things looked hopeless. Compare that to her serenity in the end.
In my case, I have never ever said that Ekaril could escape WITH Blue. As I have pointed before, and so other people, Blue, without the shifting possibility, most likely was completely destroyed in the collision with Novaal. I don't think it was necessary for Ekaril to be inside the colliding Blue. She could escape with a pad and form a Resistance with her very important tactical knowledge about Arume Fleet and Technology. And, why not?, recreate or steal a Thought Weapon (as Yui). Even doing this Ekaril could give the seed of suspect to the Main Fleet about Shivariel Crimes. Without getting her life away.
But as other people have pointed before, the suicide was a reasoned choice of Ekaril, maybe for her it's a nobler act than getting away with Mari and raise a family with her.
I also think there would be a better option than doing suicide for Hagino to protect Mari. Honestly, do you think humanity will just give up? They'll fight and fight till the Arume leave the earth. Anything else is just unrealistic. Imagine when a foreign country would conquer yours without any reason. I doubt you'd start doing negotiations with them ;)
And even when Shivariel was targetting Mari, go read the manga and you'll find out so much other new treats for Mari..
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-26, 13:34
1. I didn't see Mari as calm, more like stunned, then determined, and finally devastated. That sounds like her to me.
2. I agree that Hagino was probably made to kill herself for dramatic reasons, but thinking back to her statement that she was just hoping to live through the play, perhaps she had no real expectation of living longer, and felt (as opposed to thought) she didn't deserve to.
3. I appreciated Jet_Maeden's point that self-sacrifice is the highest virtue for Arume (we know that from the mangas), and that probably played a role. This act really does wipe out any feeling of inadequacy the deaths of her troops and Onomil gave her. Ekaril learned to love Horime by being Hagino, but the Arume Ekaril was her real self, so it makes sense that her final acts were Arume acts and not a Horime desire for love and peace and family.
4. If riding Blue right into Noval was the only way to kill Shivariel (not explained), then it made sense. Shivariel was the only one determined to get Mari. Without Shivariel and Noval's memory banks, no-one would know to look for Mari.
5. The people in conference with Shivariel were not other commanders, but her subordinate officers. If they went against her, they would have been tainting themselves with rebellion, like Ekaril. We do not know that other Arume are as cruel as Shivariel. From the mangas, I would say not. They vary like anyone else, even conquerors.
6. Mature Micchi's confidence that everything was going to be all right might well just have been hoping against hope, but I think it had to with the final statement of the main part of the episode that Ekaril had sowed the seeds of hope. Micchi said that this was not the end of the war, but the beginning. Perhaps because Ekaril had given them an example of resistance, and had shown that there would be Arume willing to protect Earth.
7. As for negotiating with an invading force, the fact is that when the force is overwhelming, the political leader with her people's interests at heart will make peace on the best terms possible. Earth has no possibility of really resisting the Arume, whose weaponry and technology are vastly superior in ways that make successful resistance impossible. Arume control of Earth lasted over 1000 years. And remember, Micchi is going to negotiate after 30 years of futile resistance.The Chinese sub (http://bt.greedland.net/cache_html/0/default/DESC/1.htm#) is out.
Couldnt have been better written, Kaoru_Chujo and thanks for the link! :) Takes some getting used to though, having been watching English subs all this time. Couldn't resist though..
Just wondering though... why is it that Hagino couldnt hear what Mari was saying whilst at the dock? Thought they had a telepathic link with each other? Can't say that it works only when they are in physical contact since in ep 11 when Hagino returns, they managed to telepathically communicate with each other.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-26, 14:50
...Just wondering though... why is it that Hagino couldnt hear what Mari was saying whilst at the dock? Thought they had a telepathic link with each other? Can't say that it works only when they are in physical contact since in ep 11 when Hagino returns, they managed to telepathically communicate with each other. I'm not sure they had more than touch telepathy. That scene when Hagino returned could just have been their thoughts toward each other, rather than actual communication. And even if they did, maybe the emul force from Blue created interference?
I wanted Mari to jump into the water there, and maybe force Hagino to pick her up.I don't know whether I should have posted that link to the Chinese sub or not, but I'm glad someone could make use of it. I also like to encourage people to learn Chinese. It's going to become more and more useful, and not enough non-Chinese are learning it.
Zippicus
2007-12-26, 15:05
About the emerging canon of the "ending-dislikers" that Hagino's decision was wrong:
She had other, better options? Really? Like which?
Blue was already severely damaged from the suicide bombers - in fact, it would have been finished had Azanael not returned just in time to call off the terminal wave. This scene was also important for one more aspect: Blue was about to be destroyed, and Hagino wore a "desperately fighting" look on her face - she also did not jettison Tsubael even though things looked hopeless. Compare that to her serenity in the end.
Therefore, the classic "run, hide, repair and start guerilla warfare" reasoning is questionable off the bat. There wasn't that much fight left in Blue - remember how long it took to fix the engine damage last time? 5 years - in hiding from Horime. This time, from the Arume fleet? Wouldn't work. This pretty much defeats the "flee with Mari" scenario right from the start, and Hagino made clear before that her goal was to protect not just Mari, but the other Horime aswell.
Also, I believe that Hagino knew that the invasion couldn't be headed off. She said as much earlier - she KNEW that the Horime would lose. She didn't call the Earth defense force. She didn't rally the humans with an inspiring "fight to the death" speech. Her decision was to smash the head of the snake while she still could: Shivariel. Personally, I think she's got some good points going for her:
1) Shivariel was the mastermind behind this mess, and SHE was the one who targeted Mari. Taking HER out of the equation would remove the primary threat to Mari.
2) It would also make sure that the fact that Blue went renegade on the Arume could not be covered up by Shivariel. This should trigger an investigation WTF happened in the Earth theater to lead to the defection and the suicide attack on the flagship.
In my opinion, this would have been Hagino's best shot to help Earth: Trying to "get the message across" that something really fishy went on, leading to the invasion, which should be reviewed. Alas, seems it didn't work too well...
The thing I didn't like about this ending is that there are loose ends that they could have made an effort to tie up. I mean Mari is one of the two main characters and we really have no idea what happened to her. Would it have killed them to take 5 minutes to show us what happened with everyone post time skip ? It would have also been nice to show us that Hagino's death had some sort of effect other than making us sad. Maybe the manga that comes with the DVD will go there.
About the emerging canon of the "ending-dislikers" that Hagino's decision was wrong:She had other, better options? Really? Like which?
Sadly I can't think of any. She may have been able to survive, but her relationship with Mari would still be at a dead end. With or without the Blue, they now have nowhere to go. Furthermore, chances are high that a bad end would await Mari if they were further involved. No doubt, Ekaril has considered things, and no matter how painful, has concluded that this is for the best.
Also, any way you look at it, her actions have caused a lot of deaths. Mari is now safe, and since there is no way to remain together, at least she can now be at peace.Blue was already severely damaged from the suicide bombers - in fact, it would have been finished had Azanael not returned just in time to call off the terminal wave. This scene was also important for one more aspect: Blue was about to be destroyed, and Hagino wore a "desperately fighting" look on her face - she also did not jettison Tsubael even though things looked hopeless. Compare that to her serenity in the end.
Yes, in the end, she knows that she has accomplished everything should could have hoped to, and has no regrets.1) Shivariel was the mastermind behind this mess, and SHE was the one who targeted Mari. Taking HER out of the equation would remove the primary threat to Mari.
2) It would also make sure that the fact that Blue went renegade on the Arume could not be covered up by Shivariel. This should trigger an investigation WTF happened in the Earth theater to lead to the defection and the suicide attack on the flagship.
In my opinion, this would have been Hagino's best shot to help Earth: Trying to "get the message across" that something really fishy went on, leading to the invasion, which should be reviewed. Alas, seems it didn't work too well...
Exactly. As much as I don't like it, I am coming to accept it, and it is a good (if painful) ending. This is simply a tragedy which couldn't have been avoided. Ironically, if it weren't for the incident, they never would have met. Once the invasion was put into motion though, they had no hope of a future together. Perhaps this is part of the reason why the play was so important to Hagino. She knew they had but a brief moment to be together.
I wanted Mari to jump into the water there, and maybe force Hagino to pick her up.
Me too! Too bad it wasn't happened.
5. The people in conference with Shivariel were not other commanders, but her subordinate officers. If they went against her, they would have been tainting themselves with rebellion, like Ekaril. We do not know that other Arume are as cruel as Shivariel. From the mangas, I would say not. They vary like anyone else, even conquerors.
Those were the commanders of the other ships, IIRC, but it doesn't really matter. They may have held a rank below hers, but that is no excuse for them to deliberately follow a superior committing such atrocities. If anything, they should have been obligated to place her under arrest for her crimes. To consider it as rebellion, would imply that she was issuing legitimate orders within her authority, which clearly she wasn't.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-26, 15:22
Also, any way you look at it, her actions have caused a lot of deaths.
This is nonsense. It was revealed that Shibariel sabotaged Blue, so it's not Hagino's fault, even if she felt responsible for it.
Sinestra
2007-12-26, 15:43
I loved the series very much but right now im just sad sad sad sad sad. I knew it was coming and should have prepared myself. So the only thing we have to look forward to is the complete domination of mankind by hot women who have no interest in men *SIGH* i need a cig
This is nonsense. It was revealed that Shibariel sabotaged Blue, so it's not Hagino's fault, even if she felt responsible for it.
I'm not claiming that her actions were wrong or even that any of it is her fault, but they did result in deaths. She basically destroyed the entire initial fleet.
Yes, it was worth it, and probably saved an equal or greater number of Forime lives, but that hardly makes one feel better about it. I don't mean to place any blame on Hagino, but she probably does feel that way.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-26, 16:17
I'm not claiming that her actions were wrong or even that any of it is her fault, but they did result in deaths. She basically destroyed the entire initial fleet.
Yes, it was worth it, and probably saved an equal or greater number of Forime lives, but that hardly makes one feel better about it. I don't mean to place any blame on Hagino, but she probably does feel that way.
My mistake then. If we're talking about her military actions against the Arume, then yes, you're right, she had to kill many of her compatriots in order to save the humans she came to care about. And yeah, even if she knew it was the right thing to do in her heart, most likely she still felt like shit about it (I know I would!).
Phantasmagoria
2007-12-26, 16:54
This series is amazing, one of the best one I have seen this year.
Voice-acting is perfect, with skills are all shown in the play itself.
People may not agree with me, but I thought the ending is perfect.
I couldn't imagine what happens if Hagino survives. If she is alive, then it somewhat doesn't fit the anime, opening/ending songs, and the overall feel (In my humble opinion). From the start, the kind of tone/style I am feeling from the soundtracks, OP/ED are sided towards "sadness".
"Sayounara". No, I didn't cry, my tears are held back because I believe in miracles. My thoughts are contradicting, sort of self-hypnotising myself Hagino will be fine and back to Mari's arms.
At the dock, Mari ran and chase after Hagino's fleet..
Hagino can hear what she say, and to be together with Mari again, but she couldn't afford to do so.. Hagino would rather sacrifice herself to save Mari, and the fellow earthlings. Very touching, romantic. Those tears, those actions, they are not meaningless at all.
Though I assumed Hagino's dead.. maybe the producers had the last episode to let you decide the ending by yourself. You can assume she is dead, or alive. Your own decision.
For me, I prefer she lives on...
changeup
2007-12-26, 17:07
After a night of calmdown, now I can gather my thoughts and make an educated speculation about what have happened and why.
1. The Mastah Commandah wanted to destroy Blue, and Mari, to conceal the guilt she had done a few years back. More than like her little "experiment" with Blue will not be tolerated by the Arume government. After all, she killed many Arumes during that incidents. In any army this is an intolerable offense.
2. Knowing this, Hagino decided to kill the Mastah Commandah at any costs. The arume main fleet comes to conquer, not slaughter, so Hagino knows as long as the Mastah Commandah is dead, Mari will be safe.
3. Hagino also acted to save not only Mari, but the whole school. Otherwise she can just choose to run away with Mari. Hagino's suicidal attack was the best option she had at that time, Mari's emotion notwithstanding...
4. Mari was able to talk with Hagino because of those bird-like tele-communicators, not direct telepathy. In any case, even Mari was in Blue, judging from what Hagino did to Tsubael, she can still eject Mari before pulling out the suicidal attack.
5. Tsubael and Azanael seemed to receive no punishment from Arume army after that. I think the Arumes consider the deeds of Hagino, as well as Tsubael and Azanael not mutinies, but rather justified action against an astrayed officer.
6. Is Hagino still alive? Seriously I have no answer. On one hand, Jeanne d'Arc is a strong symbolic code that can hardly be argued against, let alone all those death flags. On the other hand, the last sentenced recited by Hagino were the same as the ones recited by Michi in the first episode, in which she called them "Omajinai" (a spell for good luck). The same word has been mentioned in episode 12 referring to Azanael's pendant. And yeah, we knew what happened to Azanael...
7. Also this episode got maybe the longest avant-title in the history of anime. The subtitle only appeared after 20+ minutes, literally everything has been narrated and done...
also some random thoughts:
1. Tsubael's survival is the second most striking part for me. She got "death flags" all over her body. Even with Hagino's Sayounara, I still thought Tsubael might have saved Hagino's life in the last seconds. When I saw her got ejected ...
2. And the most striking part: how the hxxx had Azanael survived last episode? Oromil must have cheated (again) to bring her back to life and Azanael can even fight in the finale...
3. Azanael and Tsubael made a nice couple. It has been hinted in the previous episodes I think, or at least I feel this way.
4. So after Blue cheated in the whole series to defeat her enemies repetitively (including Tsubael's 1 vs. 3 in the finale), suddenly she ran out of tricks and Hagino had to pull out a kamikaze... talking about hand waving....
5. I still believe that Mari is somehow pregnant :P so even Hagino did not make it back, there is still some hope left...
6. Anyone notice the inconsistency of the color of the script book Michi collected before leaving the hall? It was pink all the way but in one shot it was green.
The thing that Azanael survived was already clear in the end of the previous episode because they said she ESCAPED...
And That "no Mari and others" in the end 40 years later, might aswell be because they have plans for OVA. With whats going on before that "40years after" Michi negotiation trip. And since they didn't show the MAIN character in the end...you might assume that Hagino survived and they went somewhere or are hiding somewhere :D.
I'm being too stupid by hoping that kind of stuff huh :`(.
I think in a lot of our minds (I know it is in mine!) we were and are all hoping for the same thing :)
Let's keep our fingers crossed about the manga which occurs 8 years after as well as OVAs!
[spoiler=ep13]I'm not sure they had more than touch telepathy. That scene when Hagino returned could just have been their thoughts toward each other, rather than actual communication. And even if they did, maybe the emul force from Blue created interference?
didn't feel that way to me though.. then again, minor nitpick :D
I wanted Mari to jump into the water there, and maybe force Hagino to pick her up.
that or jump on top of Blue and telling Hagino "You let me in this moment or we sink and die together NOW!"
I don't know whether I should have posted that link to the Chinese sub or not, but I'm glad someone could make use of it. I also like to encourage people to learn Chinese. It's going to become more and more useful, and not enough non-Chinese are learning it.
It is indeed becoming more useful. Just cursing the fact that I didn't study harder at it during my younger days
[spoiler=ep13]don't know whether I should have posted that link to the Chinese sub or not, but I'm glad someone could make use of it. I also like to encourage people to learn Chinese. It's going to become more and more useful, and not enough non-Chinese are learning it.
I'll learn if you'll teach me :D It's weird, my Chinese friends say not to learn Chinese and they're learning Japanese. Very odd.
All of this ranting about the ending (and I've seen some really ridiculous, illogical rants) has me really disturbed and rather bummed. This is one of the very few positive yuri anime and it's STILL getting trashed. I swear, you just can't please people. :eyebrow:
changeup
2007-12-26, 19:24
I'll learn if you'll teach me :D It's weird, my Chinese friends say not to learn Chinese and they're learning Japanese. Very odd.
All of this ranting about the ending (and I've seen some really ridiculous, illogical rants) has me really disturbed and rather bummed. This is one of the very few positive yuri anime and it's STILL getting trashed. I swear, you just can't please people. :eyebrow:
Mandarin is my second language, and as good as my native language. I have to admit it might be one of the hardest to master among the major languages in the world. Japanese is not far behind, though...
From the viewpoint of the whole series, I do not like the ending very much, since a lot of loose ends were not wrapped up and you have to make a lot of own reasoning to make it work. However, take it alone, the storytelling of the last episode is truly a master piece.
For now, I'll rank this anime No.2 all-time on my list, behind Simoun but ahead of Kanazuki no Miko. Truly an instant classic. I feel so sad that many ppl around me do not watch it, or drop it after hearing it's a yuri story. But I am happy to see so many believers here~ totemo totemo ureshii~
Zippicus
2007-12-26, 19:34
I'll learn if you'll teach me :D It's weird, my Chinese friends say not to learn Chinese and they're learning Japanese. Very odd.
All of this ranting about the ending (and I've seen some really ridiculous, illogical rants) has me really disturbed and rather bummed. This is one of the very few positive yuri anime and it's STILL getting trashed. I swear, you just can't please people. :eyebrow:
I'm one of the people ranting about the ending, but to be fair I usually have problems with most anime endings :p
Don't get me wrong I really enjoyed this show, it's one of my favorites this season. Overall I'm very pleased with this show I just thought the ending was lacking. I do have to question you calling this a positive show though ....
One main character dead, the status of the other is pretty ambiguous. The earth is taken over by aliens. So what exactly are the positives ? :p I guess the part about them falling in love is pretty positive, right up until they're split apart by tragedy in the next episode lol.
I'm one of the people ranting about the ending, but to be fair I usually have problems with most anime endings.
I'll be the first person to line up to watch the first ever flawless anime you write. ;) I'd be very intrigued.
Don't get me wrong I really enjoyed this show, it's one of my favorites this season. Overall I'm very pleased with this show I just thought the ending was lacking. I do have to question you calling this a positive show though ....
One main character dead, the status of the other is pretty ambiguous. The earth is taken over by aliens. So what exactly are the positives ? :p I guess the part about them falling in love is pretty positive, right up until they're split apart by tragedy in the next episode lol.
In the grand scheme of most yuri anime where we have psycho lesbians who stalk the object of their affection or rape them, have girls falling for other girls because of bad experiences with men, males who are female by reason of alien death and some series (*cough cough*Ikkitousen*cough*) with such gratutious fanservice that I have to stop watching, Blue Drop IS positive. It has way more of a plot than many yuri anime we see around (and there are really only a handful to begin with) despite a few flaws (and really, what story is flawless? There is no such beast) and shockingly it managed to be popular without panty shots and "gay until graduation" characters. To me, that's a step in the right direction. I don't think we'll ever have a yuri anime that is remotely serious where the girl gets the girl or that doesn't end tragically. I don't think we've found a production company that will permit it.
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-26, 20:12
For the people putting faith in the Bokura manga to fill in the gaps of Gikyoku's ending... well, there's absolutely no tie-ins between them other than a single panel showing some of the crew of the Blue when a character mentions the scouting force that preceded the invasion. So far, anyway, but the plot of Bokura did take a hard left turn this last chapter, so who knows where it'll go. Incorporating Azanael, Tsubael, and/or Mari into the story would be interesting.
Running away and going into hiding with Mari, while I can see the 'good end' appeal, just wouldn't work. Hagino is the only one with half a chance who would stand up for the Horime, and that alone is enough to make it her obligation to do so. Hagino was definitely not one to selfishly shirk her responsibilities.
As for whether she could have accomplished her goal and still saved herself... well, you don't ride off on a suicide mission with your lover screaming at you to come back unless you've put some serious thought into what you're doing.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-26, 22:56
For the people putting faith in the Bokura manga to fill in the gaps of Gikyoku's ending... well, there's absolutely no tie-ins between them other than a single panel showing some of the crew of the Blue when a character mentions the scouting force that preceded the invasion. So far, anyway, but the plot of Bokura did take a hard left turn this last chapter, so who knows where it'll go. Incorporating Azanael, Tsubael, and/or Mari into the story would be interesting.
I think they mean the manga that comes with the DVDs, Maiorita Tenshi, not the Bokura one. Although I agree it would be great to have something about Mari and the others in Bokura. With the recent developments, who knows? Maybe they'll make at least a brief appearance (wishful thinking :().
EDIT: Once again I'm requesting some help with the hidden pages on the offcial site. There's 3 new ones:
http://www.blue-drop.jp/4-2.html
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-26, 23:17
Couldnt have been better written, Kaoru_Chujo and thanks for the link! :) Takes some getting used to though, having been watching English subs all this time. Couldn't resist though..
Just wondering though... why is it that Hagino couldnt hear what Mari was saying whilst at the dock? Thought they had a telepathic link with each other? Can't say that it works only when they are in physical contact since in ep 11 when Hagino returns, they managed to telepathically communicate with each other.
I dont really know.. but i think ekaril was able to hear mari cos she was getting all teary..i think. maybe i have to rewatch it.
Phantasmagoria
2007-12-27, 01:43
Hagino is able to hear Mari...
Remember the seagulls? In the previous episodes, those birds are shown able to transmit information of the environment around them, including buildings, people, etc.
Mari was shown on one of the screen in Hagino's fleet..
Hagino cried due to her relationship with Mari.. I explained it in my previous post.. although it is only my own perspective~
Yea, the guy with a briefcase and a woman with red-colored lips.. I don't get what's happening at the end..
sort of confused over the voice actors/actress.
Someone explain please?
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-27, 02:07
Yea, the guy with a briefcase and a woman with red-colored lips.. I don't get what's happening at the end..
sort of confused over the voice actors/actress.
Someone explain please?
No idea who the man is, but the woman is Kouzuki Michiko (Micchi), who is on a diplomatic mission to the Arume mothership. The other two female voices are Tsubael and Azanael, bickering like only two old friends can :heh:
Haruyasha
2007-12-27, 03:25
I think they mean the manga that comes with the DVDs, Maiorita Tenshi, not the Bokura one. Although I agree it would be great to have something about Mari and the others in Bokura. With the recent developments, who knows? Maybe they'll make at least a brief appearance (wishful thinking :().
EDIT: Once again I'm requesting some help with the hidden pages on the offcial site. There's 3 new ones:
http://www.blue-drop.jp/4-2.html
So it seems those floating arume are real after all.. or synthetic that is.
No idea who the man is, but the woman is Kouzuki Michiko (Micchi), who is on a diplomatic mission to the Arume mothership. The other two female voices are Tsubael and Azanael, bickering like only two old friends can :heh:
Or lovers.
One thing which should be noted about the final episode, but AFAIK wasn't yet:
The music. The wonderful music. Especially the little piano piece which begins when Mari starts chasing after Blue on the pier, which begins quiet and sad, and eventually gains depth when a layer of strings gets added. By now, this piece alone is almost enough already to create a little lump in my throat ^_^;
For me personally, this very scene, which was prepared so meticulously in the prior episodes, will remain in my memories as the sparkling highlight of the show. So much love and attention to detail went into it. Throughout the entire show, I had the uneasy feeling that Mari's run, which was shown in the OP, would signify the climax if it were to have no happy ending. And it did.
Next to the music, outstanding seiyuu performances too. A choked-up Hagino, trying to force her words out over the lump in her throat, leading to her voice breaking. A crying Tsubael having difficulties to confirm her order. And ever-spunky Mari, whose willful nature prevents her from collapse, but whose shouts grow more desperate bit by bit. I wonder how many times they recorded these parts before they chose the best versions.
So much thought and attention to detail went into this climax, which in my opinion outshone Hagino's "Sayounara" (which gave me a little pang, but nothing more) by quite a margin.
I think they mean the manga that comes with the DVDs, Maiorita Tenshi, not the Bokura one. Although I agree it would be great to have something about Mari and the others in Bokura. With the recent developments, who knows? Maybe they'll make at least a brief appearance (wishful thinking :().
EDIT: Once again I'm requesting some help with the hidden pages on the offcial site. There's 3 new ones:
http://www.blue-drop.jp/4-2.html
So, generalizing very much, Arume can get pregnant with only a "kiss"? O_O;;
And there isn't social hierarchy among Arume (so dark hair thing doesn't count as social status ;-)).
Life is equal for all. But civilians cannot get pregnant by Gosuta.
Self-sacrifice is a beautiful only for military and for Gosuta (who are synthetic Arume for self-sacrifice).
Gosuta cannot get pregnant but can fertilize other people.
I don't know japanese, I'm using an immediate translation tool. Ok, I stop here.
I'm waiting for more competent translators!
The OST...when is it coming out? :confused:
Dark Wing
2007-12-27, 04:17
The OST...when is it coming out? :confused:
It's been out for a long time I only manged to find the Opening and Ending theme songs though...:heh:
I think they mean the manga that comes with the DVDs, Maiorita Tenshi, not the Bokura one. Although I agree it would be great to have something about Mari and the others in Bokura. With the recent developments, who knows? Maybe they'll make at least a brief appearance (wishful thinking :().
EDIT: Once again I'm requesting some help with the hidden pages on the offcial site. There's 3 new ones:
http://www.blue-drop.jp/4-2.html
OH wow, someone do a good translation please...if what i got from HARD TL is right, .... You can get pregnant by kissing Arume for ~10 seconds O.o if the conditions are right? So that underwater kiss would really make Mari pregnant then?
Phantasmagoria
2007-12-27, 05:21
One question : Remember there's one scene that Hagino was cutting some cloth and accidentally injured her finger ? Mari sucked her blood.. will that affects Mari's pregnancy of some sort? Hmm...
Deathkillz
2007-12-27, 06:09
ep 13 - final...
I don't know what to say really...(besides the fact that most of it has been covered already :heh:).
We all had a feeling that it could be a tragic bitter/sweet end but actually seeing it happen has an impact no matter how much you brace yourself for it.
This is just like the end of the world...and who would have thought that exploding females would be the end of us...now that's a unique was to die XD
I was rather surprised that hagino went MIA for so long while Tsubael controlled blue all by herself in battle...though she felt that this isn't right, on the other hand she loved her commander enough to stand in for her - I guess she could see that this is her final living moments and wanted hagino to be happy before facing master commander.
For both of them, they didn't think that they would get out of this alive seen as it is a whole fleet they are going up against - and hence hagino's farewell to mari.
I am happy that Tsubael survived yet feel sorry for her because she did. I guess she would much prefer to go down with the ship with the one she loves.
I just had a feeling that Azanael survived that gun shot wound, but never expected for her to live on after coming face to fact with the doomsday weapon O.o Onomil's blessings must be with her all the way. Tsubael and Azanael can stand up for a comedy duo!
Overall this is a splendid ep...very emotional and action packed right the way to the end. There is no way that hagino could have survived that, and I will not lessen her death by saying that she did - it was such a sad thing to happen but refreshing to see how the good guys doesn't always win.
In this case, they won the battle but lost the war.
Few questions though...
1) how do we know that the woman at the end is michi?
2) what happened to mari (manga spoilers?)
3) what happened to mari's power? I don't think this was explained (like how hagino went into spazm in one of the earlier eps when mari touched her).
I love this series, shame it ended so fast ;___;
9.5/10
Phantasmagoria
2007-12-27, 07:03
It is revealed at the end that the woman is Micchi. Heard someone called out "Micchi", and she replied back. That's the confirmation.
About the blood thing in my previous post.. anyone knows anything about it?
It is revealed at the end that the woman is Micchi. Heard someone called out "Micchi", and she replied back. That's the confirmation.
About the blood thing in my previous post.. anyone knows anything about it?
I don't think so. If I have understood well, the fertilization process is done with saliva and nano-machine hardware capsule which are located in the Arume mouth and not in the blood.
I don't think so. If I have understood well, the fertilization process is done with saliva and nano-machine hardware capsule which are located in the Arume mouth and not in the blood.
Did the 3 hidden information come out immediately after the final ep? Hm... that would be interesting. Which means that Hagino could have impregnated Mari before leaving on her suicide mission or perhaps went on the suicide mission because of Mari's pregnancy?? Next thing we know, we might be seeing little Haginos running around in the manga :P
Maybe that's why one of the memories Hagino had of her time with Mari was of her holding the baby? :heh:
It's been out for a long time I only manged to find the Opening and Ending theme songs though...:heh:
Yeah so far there's only been that 1 CD from Suara. Is there even any news of a Blue Drop OST and when it is coming out?
Hagino is able to hear Mari...
Remember the seagulls? In the previous episodes, those birds are shown able to transmit information of the environment around them, including buildings, people, etc.
Mari was shown on one of the screen in Hagino's fleet..
Hagino cried due to her relationship with Mari.. I explained it in my previous post.. although it is only my own perspective~
The seagulls part I understand. I was refering to the part when Mari just arrived at the docks and she was shouting at Hagino and the latter responded with "What are you saying?" which I thought at that time to be pretty wierd.
Did the 3 hidden information come out immediately after the final ep? Hm... that would be interesting. Which means that Hagino could have impregnated Mari before leaving on her suicide mission or perhaps went on the suicide mission because of Mari's pregnancy?? Next thing we know, we might be seeing little Haginos running around in the manga :P
Maybe that's why one of the memories Hagino had of her time with Mari was of her holding the baby? :heh:
Indeed! It is very very interesting. ;)
Yet, Hagino/Ekaril is/was a very prudent person, not the type to impregnate other people so easily, but if she knew that she wouldn't have been returned from the suicide mission....it's possible Ekaril wanted to leave a part of her to Mari.
Deathkillz
2007-12-27, 08:55
The seagulls part I understand. I was refering to the part when Mari just arrived at the docks and she was shouting at Hagino and the latter responded with "What are you saying?" which I thought at that time to be pretty wierd.
Err...she saw mari shouting on the screen with no sound? :rolleyes: (then she asked "What are you saying?" )
Phantasmagoria
2007-12-27, 09:03
I seriously believe it is due to those seagulls not being close enough to her, which cause some loss of information, and the sound couldn't be detected.
Right after chasing for some time, it can be seen that there's a seagull (Which I believe, intentionally) flies beside her closely and hence Hagino can hear what she's saying~
Not sure if it's right but that's how I feel, it makes sense to me this way~ :P
Oh, I just remembered that everytime Hagino speaks to the seagull, she placed it pretty near her mouth.
Now that I ponder over this scene, the more I feel it is logical.. hmm.
Sinestra
2007-12-27, 09:40
What the hell happened to Mari afterwards? Everything else I pretty much understood and has been explained.
What the hell happened to Mari afterwards? Everything else I pretty much understood and has been explained.
No one knows for sure, she could have died during the war period for all we know, and unless they mention her in Bokura/Manga that comes with the DVD's or they update the timeline on the offical site, we may never know.
I seriously believe it is due to those seagulls not being close enough to her, which cause some loss of information, and the sound couldn't be detected.
Right after chasing for some time, it can be seen that there's a seagull (Which I believe, intentionally) flies beside her closely and hence Hagino can hear what she's saying~
Not sure if it's right but that's how I feel, it makes sense to me this way~ :P
Oh, I just remembered that everytime Hagino speaks to the seagull, she placed it pretty near her mouth.
Now that I ponder over this scene, the more I feel it is logical.. hmm.
Actually what I had wondered why Mari and Hagino couldnt have communicated through telepathy which I had thought was shown in ep 11 but Kaoru had come up with a plausible explanation so I'm happy :)
I'm not sure they had more than touch telepathy. That scene when Hagino returned could just have been their thoughts toward each other, rather than actual communication. And even if they did, maybe the emul force from Blue created interference?
Indeed! It is very very interesting. ;)
Yet, Hagino/Ekaril is/was a very prudent person, not the type to impregnate other people so easily, but if she knew that she wouldn't have been returned from the suicide mission....it's possible Ekaril wanted to leave a part of her to Mari.
True, but if that's the case I certainly hope that our kawaii Commander had told Mari about it or she will be in for a surprise!
Sinestra
2007-12-27, 10:42
No one knows for sure, she could have died during the war period for all we know, and unless they mention her in Bokura/Manga that comes with the DVD's or they update the timeline on the offical site, we may never know.
That sucks after all that it would have been nice to know her fate. Since we know pretty much everyone elses fate. I find it funny that Michi would make through the war but Mari would not. Hopefully some light will be shed on this eventually.
I am happy that Tsubael survived yet feel sorry for her because she did. I guess she would much prefer to go down with the ship with the one she loves.
I also feel bad for Tsubael, but simply because it was an unrequited love. She really did a lot for Ekaril, even while her heart belonged to another. It is sad, but that is the nature of love. In the end though, Ekaril did save her life; it is clear just how much she cared for Tsubael, even if she couldn't return her feelings.
I would not feel sorry about her surviving though--it was Ekaril's desire that she should live, and it would be tragic if her sacrifice were in vein. She can only accept her life, and perhaps inherit her will.
Hagino's sacrifice may also be a part of why Micchi is so adamant that things should go well. She spent the final moments of her life to protect them, and this also allowed the truth to come to light. (There is no way that Azanael and Tsubael would still be about if the "rebellion" was not judged as an appropriate action.) Perhaps it even made possible the negotiations of which Micchi is now a part.
It is sad that the hostilities still persist even after a thousand years, but from what we know, it is hard to say who is at fault. It could just as well be the forime who are being their typical uncompromising selves. The sort of people who seize power do not easily surrender it, no matter how much blood must be shed. They should both be thinking about how to integrate their species instead, but so it goes.
True, but if that's the case I certainly hope that our kawaii Commander had told Mari about it or she will be in for a surprise!
I don't know if she would have said anything, since it would have betrayed her intentions. Mari would certainly be happy about it though, and it would be a nice surprise.
Hagino probably always knew just how little time they would have together, and as it went by, it only become more difficult to risk telling her the truth. No doubt, Hagino wouldn't want Mari to share their final moments under the shadow of her impending death.
If Mari has a child though, it will probably cause her great trouble, so I am hesitant to believe that Hagino would do such a thing intentionally. Of course, Mari would be happy about it, but then she probably would have rather have spent her final moments with Hagino as well.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-27, 11:50
Here's a draft translation of the new secret pages from the official site. The arume seem more and more wonderfully alien. 1. Gosuta
Artificially-formed exploding humans. Born in a factory from eggs provided by military personnel. After ten months in an artificial womb, they are born as infants and moved to an airtight tank filled with nanomachines and organic raw materials. They spend another ten months there being force-grown into adult form. At this point, by means of an organic catalyst, their bodies can explode. [I’m not sure how sentient gosuta are. From #3, it appears they may be somewhat sentient.]
2. In concrete terms…
They dissolve in their mouths a capsule containing nanomachines that support impregnation and implantation. After about ten seconds, the nanomachines draw cells from the mucous membranes and turn them into cells with the function of sperm. Saliva, cells, and nanomachines for implantation combine into a fluid that has the function of semen. Because of its simplicity, this method is very widespread, but there are other methods and objects that can be used in appropriate circumstances. [This does not describe fertilization, only the production of artificial sperm/saliva. But I guess it is possible to imagine how fertilization is carried out.]
Because gosuta are made almost entirely from artificial protein, they cannot become pregnant. But others can be made pregnant using gosuta genes, with the aid of nanomachines. This is the only way of using the genetic information gosuta retain. But the implantation rate is lower than for normal arume. And ordinary arume do not want to carry gosuta babies.
3. Ordinary citizens, military personnel, and Gosuta
There is no social stratification. All lives are nominally equal. But ordinary citizens do not provide eggs for making gosuta. And it is only for military personnel and gosuta that self-sacrifice is considered beautiful.
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-27, 11:52
the information from the hidden is quite interesting. there's 7 of them in total i tried to put them in an online translator. it made sense somewhat.
i tried putting in the japanese characters as a reference to each page but it didnt work. so roughly the page translations are like this:
1. Dispensation of some God?, it has possessed our terrestrial people and the mixed race possible gene.
?However, she who lose the man have borrowed the help of the nano- machine in order to obtain the fertilized egg. Because of that, as for the terrestrial human man it cannot become pregnant her. You can become pregnant the terrestrial human woman conversely with her method.
2.[arume] and she who are named deduce the self from M theory, it comes out of another brain world and from our space-time does naturally. She made gravity control possible, obtained the ability to exceed surplus dimension on that extended line.
?As for source of gravity control [emiruhuosu] drive.
3.All processes it depends on the nano- machine to extraction, fertilization and imbedding of the gene for fertilization.
?In addition, in prolongation of life and body strengthening every use nano- machine use. It is permanently stationed to internal. When the pupil shines blue in the side effect, the u melanin of the hair receives influence, as for the blood is exposed the atmosphere, white the [ru] which is made turbid.
4. It reaches the point where it can exist alternately in another space-time which this space-time lines up between space-time by furthermore controlling the power whose it is possible to spread, minutely. In a manner of speaking it puts in continual transition state, extracting the instant which on that does not exist in both space-time. Ultimate covered ability.
Also the enormous energy which is necessary for shift supplies from [emiruhuosu] drive.
5.Synthetic human for suicide bombing.
?You use the ovum which receives offer from the soldier and are born at the factory.
?The newborn baby who in approximately 10 months is put out from the artificial womb is moved the organic material in order to form the body and the nano- machine to the airtightness tank which fills up. Among these furthermore it grows mandatorily to 10 month spending adult somatotypes.
?The organic nano- material which is used in this case is designated as the catalyst and the body explodes.
6.The capsule which supplies the nano- machine which takes charge of fertilization and the support of imbedding is included in the mouth.
The capsule melts with the saliva.
Approximately, the cell where in 10 seconds the nano- machine extracts the cell from the mucous membrane and has the alternative function of the spermatozoon is formed.
?The mixed liquid of the saliva and the cell and the nano- machine for imbedding showing semen way function. When fertilization succeeds, the nano- machine of imbedding support begins activity.
?This method generally and is easy for the sake of, to be wide it has spread, but there is various expedients and an item to in addition to, adjusts to purpose and executes.
?As for [gosuta] the majority of body constitution because of the artificial protein, this person cannot become pregnant. But, using the gene which becomes the cause, if you borrow the help of the nano- machine, the partner there is a possibility where you can become pregnant. For [gosuta] to leave the information of heredity, there is only this method. However furthermore imbedding ratio is lower than general [arume]. Furthermore the child of [gosuta] [arume] which you think that the body we would like to be confined, is nil.
7.Socially there is no class. Life has become the pretext that it is equal.
?But, the citizen does not offer the ovum to one for [gosuta] under any condition.
?Assuming that self sacrifice is beautiful, just soldier and [gosuta].
* i think it basically says that the arumes cannot become impregnated by human man but they can impregnate a human woman...it also talks about the method of impregnating the human woman with the use of saliva and there's a part where i totally do not understand which talks about a beautiful self sacrifice (could be refering to ekaril's suicide)....anyways thats just what i can squeeze out of the text from the hidden pages. these are not accurate though! we need a person!
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-27, 11:57
3. Ordinary citizens, military personnel, and Gosuta
There is no social stratification. All lives are nominally equal. But ordinary citizens do not provide eggs for making gosuta. And it is only for military personnel and gosuta that self-sacrifice is considered beautiful.
having said that....it seems like ekaril is six feet under for sure...how sad...but im hoping mari could be pregnant...:eyespin:
In short, Mari could be pregnant after all..
Phantasmagoria
2007-12-27, 12:11
Yea..
I hope it ends that way..
Here's a draft translation of the new secret pages from the official site. The arume seem more and more wonderfully alien. 2. In concrete terms…
They dissolve in their mouths a capsule containing nanomachines that support impregnation and implantation. After about ten seconds, the nanomachines draw cells from the mucous membranes and turn them into cells with the function of sperm. Saliva, cells, and nanomachines for implantation combine into a fluid that has the function of semen. Because of its simplicity, this method is very widespread, but there are other methods and objects that can be used in appropriate circumstances. [This does not describe fertilization, only the production of artificial sperm/saliva. But I guess it is possible to imagine how fertilization is carried out.]
Well, this (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Blue%20Drop/Blue%20Drop%20-%2010%20-%20Large%2009.jpg) makes the blush Hagino had afterwards more meaningful than the rest :D
Yea..
I hope it ends that way..
From a relationship/romantic point of view, I would agree that Mari being pregnant is something that she would be happy about and I think it is something wonderful too.
From a practical point of view though, Mari would need lots of support and strength of character to be able to handle the situation. She is afterall about 15 years old? It's going to be tough on her. Then there is the child-care issue - does an arume kid or for that matter a half arume and half human child have any special needs? Maybe injections of nanomachines or something?
Maybe I'm thinking too much :eyespin:
The heart and the head hehe.
Phantasmagoria
2007-12-27, 12:36
From a relationship/romantic point of view, I would agree that Mari being pregnant is something that she would be happy about and I think it is something wonderful too.
From a practical point of view though, Mari would need lots of support and strength of character to be able to handle the situation. She is afterall about 15 years old? It's going to be tough on her. Then there is the child-care issue - does an arume kid or for that matter a half arume and half human child have any special needs? Maybe injections of nanomachines or something?
Maybe I'm thinking too much :eyespin:
The heart and the head hehe.
So true, but she's got her granny and friends around to help support the newborn baby~
I agree that the food will be another source of trouble... what do the baby consume..? Ahaha~
Here's a draft translation of the new secret pages from the official site. The arume seem more and more wonderfully alien. 1. Gosuta
Artificially-formed exploding humans. Born in a factory from eggs provided by military personnel. After ten months in an artificial womb, they are born as infants and moved to an airtight tank filled with nanomachines and organic raw materials. They spend another ten months there being force-grown into adult form. At this point, by means of an organic catalyst, their bodies can explode. [I’m not sure how sentient gosuta are. From #3, it appears they may be somewhat sentient.]
2. In concrete terms…
They dissolve in their mouths a capsule containing nanomachines that support impregnation and implantation. After about ten seconds, the nanomachines draw cells from the mucous membranes and turn them into cells with the function of sperm. Saliva, cells, and nanomachines for implantation combine into a fluid that has the function of semen. Because of its simplicity, this method is very widespread, but there are other methods and objects that can be used in appropriate circumstances. [This does not describe fertilization, only the production of artificial sperm/saliva. But I guess it is possible to imagine how fertilization is carried out.]
Because gosuta are made almost entirely from artificial protein, they cannot become pregnant. But others can be made pregnant using gosuta genes, with the aid of nanomachines. This is the only way of using the genetic information gosuta retain. But the implantation rate is lower than for normal arume. And ordinary arume do not want to carry gosuta babies.
3. Ordinary citizens, military personnel, and Gosuta
There is no social stratification. All lives are nominally equal. But ordinary citizens do not provide eggs for making gosuta. And it is only for military personnel and gosuta that self-sacrifice is considered beautiful.
All of this is extremely interesting! There are a lot of implications and possibilities. So, afterall, a mere kiss is not sufficient to impregnate, is it?
oneplusme
2007-12-27, 12:55
All of this is extremely interesting! There are a lot of implications and possibilities. So, afterall, a mere kiss is not sufficient to impregnate, is it?
It merely depends on where one is kissing...
Kazu-kun
2007-12-27, 13:03
To make it clear for everyone, they reproduce by oral sex. Once the semen-like substance is ready (10 seconds) in one of the Arume's mouth, this one has to inseminate her partner (another Arume, or a human female) through oral sex.
That's it, that explains everything, even some scenes in the manga.
It merely depends on where one is kissing...
Yes, I'm sorry....So a kiss in the mouth isn't sufficient. ^^;
Thanks Kazu-kun for the clarification.
To make it clear for everyone, they reproduce by oral sex. Once the semen-like substance is ready (10 seconds) in one of the Arume's mouth, this one has to inseminate her partner (another Arume, or a human female) through oral sex.
That's it, that explains everything, even some scenes in the manga.
Does it say anywhere if it's something what happens automatically when they get sexually excited or they can control it by will, like kiss how many times they want and not get another woman pregnant, or every kiss is pregnancy :D. Poor Mari didn't even know.
i know im overthinking this, it's way past the anime :P. Sorry.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-27, 13:46
Does it say anywhere if it's something what happens automatically when they get sexually excited or they can control it by will, like kiss how many times they want and not get another woman pregnant, or every kiss is pregnancy :D. Poor Mari didn't even know.
i know im overthinking this, it's way past the anime :P. Sorry.
Kiss? I think you don't understand the concept of oral sex.
From wiki:
Oral sex consists of all sexual activities that involve the use of the mouth, which may include use of the tongue, teeth, and throat, to stimulate genitalia.
In this case would be "cunnilingus" (mouthXvagina).
Phantasmagoria
2007-12-27, 13:51
So.. unless something like this happens, no pregnancy? :(
Kazu-kun
2007-12-27, 13:53
So.. unless something like this happens, no pregnancy? :(
That's right!
So.. unless something like this happens, no pregnancy? :(
2. In concrete terms…
They dissolve in their mouths a capsule containing nanomachines that support impregnation and implantation. After about ten seconds, the nanomachines draw cells from the mucous membranes and turn them into cells with the function of sperm. Saliva, cells, and nanomachines for implantation combine into a fluid that has the function of semen. Because of its simplicity, this method is very widespread, but there are other methods and objects that can be used in appropriate circumstances. [This does not describe fertilization, only the production of artificial sperm/saliva. But I guess it is possible to imagine how fertilization is carried out.]
But the oral sex is the most common method.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-27, 14:30
2. In concrete terms…
They dissolve in their mouths a capsule containing nanomachines that support impregnation and implantation. After about ten seconds, the nanomachines draw cells from the mucous membranes and turn them into cells with the function of sperm. Saliva, cells, and nanomachines for implantation combine into a fluid that has the function of semen. Because of its simplicity, this method is very widespread, but there are other methods and objects that can be used in appropriate circumstances. [This does not describe fertilization, only the production of artificial sperm/saliva. But I guess it is possible to imagine how fertilization is carried out.]
But the oral sex is the most common method.
That describes the production of artificial sperm, not the fertilization process. So when it says other methods, I think it means other methods to produce the semen-like thing.
When it comes to fertilization, for a female (Arume or human) there's only one "way" to get pregnant, and it's down there. There's no magic in Blue Drop. Thus, you might change the use of the mouth for some kind of object to introduce the artificial sperm in your partner. But other than that, the process is the same (meaning the receiving end is always down there). Oral sex (cunnilingus) then would be the easiest and most enjoyable way to do it.
That describes the production of artificial sperm, not the fertilization process. So when it says other methods, I think it means other methods to produce the semen-like thing.
When it comes to fertilization, for a female (Arume or human) there's only one "way" to get pregnant, and it's down there. There's no magic in Blue Drop. Thus, you might change the use of the mouth for some kind of object to introduce the artificial sperm in your partner. But other than that, the process is the same (meaning the receiving end is always down there). Oral sex then would be the easiest and most enjoyable way to do it.
Yes, you are right.
I don't know whether to mention this here or in the manga thread but someones released the first scans of the manga from vol 1 of the DVD's on Yamibo, looks like it's about an orphanage?
Kazu-kun
2007-12-27, 16:27
I don't know whether to mention this here or in the manga thread but someones released the first scans of the manga from vol 1 of the DVD's on Yamibo, looks like it's about an orphanage?
Ah, thanks!! And yes, it's set 7 years after the beginning of the war. The protagonist (Sachi) lost her parents in an explosion caused by one of those "falling girls" (a gosuta). Basically it's about Sachi's encounter with a girl called Ai, who I suspect is an Arume.
This could be their child, you know..
Ai seems too old to be. This is 7? 8? years after the anime - so unless mixed Arume/human children age much quicker...and I've not heard anything suggesting they do. If someone knows something I don't, then please share.
And if Mari is preggers (and them releasing info relating to pregnancy right after ep 13 certainly encourages the discussion), I kind of hope she's still with her daughter 8 years later...
hmm, i dont think Arume will wait till things settle down to start making child with Earthlings women... at least, i can imagine there're people who fall in love in the first sight even during alien invasion. Arume isn't exactly the most modest alien (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crest_of_the_Stars), you know. :p
maybe that's how there're half-Arume immediately following the invasion. :p
that, or maybe some Arume assaulted Earthlings women. :uhoh:
in any case, lets move to manga thread ... :uhoh:
Dark Wing
2007-12-27, 21:13
Ai seems too old to be. This is 7? 8? years after the anime - so unless mixed Arume/human children age much quicker...and I've not heard anything suggesting they do. If someone knows something I don't, then please share.
And if Mari is preggers (and them releasing info relating to pregnancy right after ep 13 certainly encourages the discussion), I kind of hope she's still with her daughter 8 years later...
Actually I think this will tell us how Yui came to be...:)
changeup
2007-12-27, 22:16
As I have pointed out earlier, the foreshadowings in the episode 1 and episode 12 suggest strongly that Hagino has survived. Or at least the director wants to make us think so.
If you digest the first several minutes of the first episode, and also the last several minutes of the last episode, you will find a lot of hints.
But well, maybe a tragedy strikes more hearts...so just take the interpretation that makes yourself feel the best.
having said that....it seems like ekaril is six feet under for sure...how sad...but im hoping mari could be pregnant...:eyespin:
Kazu-kun
2007-12-27, 22:43
Actually I think this will tell us how Yui came to be...:)
No, that was already told in the radio drama, and it happens 1000 years after the anime, not 7 years like this new manga.
And no, Ai can't be Mari's child because mixed Arume/human children don't age quicker. They age like normal humans.
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-27, 22:56
Thanks for the translation, Kaoru. I've been super busy training for a new job and barely have time to sleep, otherwise I'd have been in it within seconds of it being posted ;)
Argh, must spread the love before giving you a +1.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-27, 23:08
The girl in the new manga chapter is called Murakami Sachi. She is nine, and her parents died in the rain of exploding angels seven years before. In the orphanage, the new girl she is introduced to is called Ai, and they think she is nine, but she has no memory, so they can't be sure. This gives a sliver of hope that Ai could be Mari's child, if she just seemed older than she was. But that wouldn't be a good thing, since it would mean Mari was gone.The new manga has shown up in raw form in one of the usual places.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-27, 23:23
The girl in the new manga chapter is called Murakami Sachi. She is nine, and her parents died in the rain of exploding angels seven years before. In the orphanage, the new girl she is introduced to is called Ai, and they think she is nine, but she has no memory, so they can't be sure. This gives a sliver of hope that Ai could be Mari's child, if she just seemed older than she was. But that wouldn't be a good thing, since it would mean Mari was gone.The new manga has shown up in raw form in one of the usual places.
Wait, wasn't Sachi 9 when she got to the orphanage? Now she must be older (15/16?).
solomoney
2007-12-27, 23:26
A little surprising to me that so many people are interesting in this animation.
And any relationship between the manga and the TV?
Interesting...the manga art has that rough-hewn, newly drawn feel. I love his artwork, always have. This might actually have that non-linear type storytelling that the first Blue Drop volume had (at least it felt that way to me).
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-28, 00:33
Wait, wasn't Sachi 9 when she got to the orphanage? Now she must be older (15/16?).Yes, you're right. My mistake. She was nine when she arrived, which was seven years before. And the new girl seems to be about her age, so would be very unlikely to be Mari's, having been born well before the angel-drop -- I think.
That was heart wrenching. I can't even begin to put in words how watching this felt. :(
I'm going to be negative here, despite all the hopefulness.
Ekaril is dead.
Mari isn't pregnant.
I thought they did a damn good job at filling most of the loose ends, except for two things:
Mari's special powers are not explained.
We have no idea what happens to Mari or any of the cast after that day, with the exception of knowing Micchi, Tsubael, and Azanael being alive years later.
I really really hope we get some answers, but seeing how the Blue Drop stories have been done so far, that might take a bit, if ever.
Beautiful music. I really want the soundtrack to this.
I didn't think the 3d was terrible considering the animation budget didn't seem all that high. Ekaril's exit was as beautiful as her entrance though.
I haven't been this fascinated, captivated, and left wanting more by fiction in a long long time.
:(
o, finally finish watching ep 13. My word is nono !! Hagino dead T_T... sad to see Hagino dead, its hurt!
Mari chasing the BLUE and shouting and Hagino suicide attack, this part was touching(for me at least). Hagino on the way to the final attack at the same time listening Mari shouting to her and dun want to reply, it damn hard for Hagino. If Hagino and Mari on the same ship and go together(its damn beautiful) but too bad.
30 years later, a least some character still alive.....
Although a lot of thing still not clear yet, but it was a good series, one of the best, the final episode is awesome(although Hagino dead, but still...), love it so much.
This was great series, but too bad not much people really watch it or love it, i mean my friend around me :( ....
one more thing, why the main commander want to kill off Mari?
BLUE DROP = "The Fall of Battleship BLUE"
one word: tragic !
lol, The Fall of Battleship BLUE...:heh: match the title perfectly..
Every episode also have 1 title right? The title is all about flower?
the long black haired haired girl in the DVD manga looks like Hagino without colors :P. But they all look alike in animes :(
This is like new "Mari & Hagino" setup.
Anyone have ever thought that Hagino is in reality a gosuta and not the original???
Too good to be true tough!
Haruyasha
2007-12-28, 06:50
Anyone have ever thought that Hagino is in reality a godota and not the original???
Too good to be true tough!
How would be a good thing? Do elaborate on your thinking.
Hagino reminds me of Tomoyo from CCS.
How would be a good thing? Do elaborate on your thinking.
Hagino reminds me of Tomoyo from CCS.
For me it would be good because:
The parallel with the manga chr Rui explains itself, the original one hopefully is still alive elsewhere.
Immagine the potential of 100 Hagino/Ekaril versions for Earth...they would not be equal but hopefully similiar to "our" Hagino.
Yet it would have disadvantages:
It's a clone of an Arume and not a true Arume to defend the Earth. But in the hidden pages it explains that gosuta life/value is equal to a true Arume....in theory anyways.
And the self-sacrifice of a gosuta is less significant because there is still the original. BUT a life is always a life. Infact gosuta are sentient and capable to love.
I admitt this: It's going to be too "metaphysical" (or crazy if you prefer so :p).
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-28, 07:51
I think it's more likely for the Ekaril we know to still be alive than for her to have been a Gosuta (read: completely impossible). For one, Gosuta seem to be born solely as canon-fodder (the initial invasion force killed by Blue's sabotaged engines my have been Gosuta), as their lifespan is simply not long enough for them to qualify for a command role.
So many people have abandoned spoiler tags aleady... I'm not even going to bother anymore -_-
Yes, you're right. My mistake. She was nine when she arrived, which was seven years before. And the new girl seems to be about her age, so would be very unlikely to be Mari's, having been born well before the angel-drop -- I think.
Yeah but the new girl has lost her memory right? So her real age is unknown. She just looks to be of a similar age as Sachi.
As I have pointed out earlier, the foreshadowings in the episode 1 and episode 12 suggest strongly that Hagino has survived. Or at least the director wants to make us think so.
If you digest the first several minutes of the first episode, and also the last several minutes of the last episode, you will find a lot of hints.
But well, maybe a tragedy strikes more hearts...so just take the interpretation that makes yourself feel the best.
I agree with you - there are a few implications, and that's not actually my own wishful thinking anymore - I can accept the tragedy if it's confirmed to be that, because it fits the title and imagery of the series.
But Micchi's play was always a little more 'open' than a tragedy. That's probably why Hagino says that line in BLUE, and gets an ending where she looks like she's being immersed in light. It's very much like an angel ascending moment. And BLUE's destruction is like a massive boom followed by no particular detail on what is left after the impact.
It then also depends how you interpret 'Hagino/Jeanne's quote' and Micchi's final words - as you say, she calls it Omajinai, which is a major loophole for someone to survive. However the quote might also be Hagino coming to terms with herself. And realising that some things cannot be touched by the numerous shitty obstacles trying to destroy it - that something special can still spring from the most desolute of places. Thus she might still have died, but what she leaves behind is a 'hopeful' outlook for Arume and humans to co-exist.
I think the episode undeniably presents Hagino leaving and expecting to die. And I can't really say 'how' she wouldn't have. But there is some little vibe that makes me think it's not quite 'closed' on her. It might be because of how Micchi (who 'frames' this anime) brought their hands together early in ep 13, and then Mari isn't shown at the end.
Having said all that, the general consensus for viewers seems to be that 'Ekaril dies in episode 13' - so unless they add something else in an OVA, series or the manga, I think many people will carry on thinking it. They've left it in such a way that anything could be tweaked though.
Hagino reminds me of Tomoyo from CCS.
Heh! I thought the same thing when this series started, only CCS Tomoyo obviously is somewhat younger. Yet oddly Hagino doesn't remind me at all of (older) Tomoyo in Tsubasa.
I agree with you - there are a few implications, and that's not actually my own wishful thinking anymore - I can accept the tragedy if it's confirmed to be that, because it fits the title and imagery of the series.
But Micchi's play was always a little more 'open' than a tragedy. That's probably why Hagino says that line in BLUE, and gets an ending where she looks like she's being immersed in light. It's very much like an angel ascending moment. And BLUE's destruction is like a massive boom followed by no particular detail on what is left after the impact.
It then also depends how you interpret 'Hagino/Jeanne's quote' and Micchi's final words - as you say, she calls it Omajinai, which is a major loophole for someone to survive. However the quote might also be Hagino coming to terms with herself. And realising that some things cannot be touched by the numerous shitty obstacles trying to destroy it - that something special can still spring from the most desolute of places. Thus she might still have died, but what she leaves behind is a 'hopeful' outlook for Arume and humans to co-exist.
I think the episode undeniably presents Hagino leaving and expecting to die. And I can't really say 'how' she wouldn't have. But there is some little vibe that makes me think it's not quite 'closed' on her. It might be because of how Micchi (who 'frames' this anime) brought their hands together early in ep 13, and then Mari isn't shown at the end.
Having said all that, the general consensus for viewers seems to be that 'Ekaril dies in episode 13' - so unless they add something else in an OVA, series or the manga, I think many people will carry on thinking it. They've left it in such a way that anything could be tweaked though.
Well said! I'm with you two too!
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-28, 17:09
i just wondered if the story from were the anime was based was also written by the person who wrote the manga????
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-28, 22:27
i just wondered if its possible for the opening song and ending song to holds some hints for the anime. i listened to the full version of both ending song and the opening song and its seems to have a connection with the anime. i dont fully understand japanese so i could not fully grasp what they mean. can anybody translate the entire opening song and ending song???
二人並んで手をつないだ空に
futari narande te wo tsunaida sora ni
We stood together hand in hand beneath the sky,
来未重ね誓うあの地平線
mirai kasane chikau ano chiheisen
and swore on that horizon that we'd always be together.
風がやさしく吹き抜けてくように
kaze ga yasashiku fukinuketeku you ni
As if a gentle wind blew through us,
僕ら明日へと溶けてった
bokura asu e to toketetta
we were dissolving into the future.
流れてく時代はただ静かに君を見守って
nagareteku toki wa tada shizuka ni kimi wo mimamotte
As we drift along, I'll watch silently over you.
悲しみも「さよなら」も碧い涙も強さになる
kanashimi mo sayonara mo aoi namida mo tsuyosa ni naru
All our sorrows and farewells and blue tears will be my strength.
僕らユメ翔る蕾
bokura yume kakeru tsubomi
We are budding flowers soaring through our dreams,
答え探し生きてく
kotae sagashi ikiteku
living in search of answers.
誇り高く咲く花に
hokori takaku saku hana ni
But we believed that someday
いつかはなれると信じてた
itsuka wa nareru to shinjiteta
we would proudly bloom,
in the blue dreams
in the blue dreams
in the blue dreams.
the song is just half of the original song...darn i need to know what half of the song was saying...
does it not fit what has happened to mari and hagino?
[QUOTE=Lady_in_blue;1318031]i just wondered if its possible for the opening song and ending song to holds some hints for the anime. i listened to the full version of both ending song and the opening song and its seems to have a connection with the anime. i dont fully understand japanese so i could not fully grasp what they mean. can anybody translate the entire opening song and ending song???[\QUOTE]
Yeah the OP and the ED songs/scenes they really show a lot of what happened in the anime, and between Mari and Hagino, the lyrics especially. I've seen the lyrics for both full songs in Kanji somewhere but I forget where ^^;
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-29, 18:25
[QUOTE=Lady_in_blue;1318031]i just wondered if its possible for the opening song and ending song to holds some hints for the anime. i listened to the full version of both ending song and the opening song and its seems to have a connection with the anime. i dont fully understand japanese so i could not fully grasp what they mean. can anybody translate the entire opening song and ending song???[\QUOTE]
Yeah the OP and the ED songs/scenes they really show a lot of what happened in the anime, and between Mari and Hagino, the lyrics especially. I've seen the lyrics for both full songs in Kanji somewhere but I forget where ^^;
i could only find the kanji for tsubomi the ending song...sigh*:confused:
i could only find the kanji for tsubomi the ending song...sigh*:confused:
These are the full OP lyrics (http://kacpy.blogsome.com/2007/10/26/suara-blue-lyrics/#more-247).
The translation of it has been difficult to find. But it's definitely worth taking into consideration what is written - the lyrics are done by the guy who wrote/directed the series itself. They totally 'summarise' (explain) the content of the series. The last few lines are very...'interesting'; depending on how you want to interpret them, they can make you view the ending in several different ways. =)
These are the full OP lyrics (http://kacpy.blogsome.com/2007/10/26/suara-blue-lyrics/#more-247).
The translation of it has been difficult to find. But it's definitely worth taking into consideration what is written - the lyrics are done by the guy who wrote/directed the series itself. They totally 'summarise' (explain) the content of the series. The last few lines are very...'interesting'; depending on how you want to interpret them, they can make you view the ending in several different ways. =)
Ugh, how can you kill us with that teaser and not provide the translation?! :twitch:
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-29, 20:59
These are the full OP lyrics (http://kacpy.blogsome.com/2007/10/26/suara-blue-lyrics/#more-247).
The translation of it has been difficult to find. But it's definitely worth taking into consideration what is written - the lyrics are done by the guy who wrote/directed the series itself. They totally 'summarise' (explain) the content of the series. The last few lines are very...'interesting'; depending on how you want to interpret them, they can make you view the ending in several different ways. =)
i dont think that that is the full lyrics because it seems a little short.. but you could be right...hehe in any case the second part of the opening song talks about how there's two races...a suicide attack...and the last line means something like one day I will return to meet you...in this case I AGREE IT IS QUITE INTERESTING AS TO WHAT THE TRUE MEANING OF THAT LINE....
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-29, 21:01
These are the full OP lyrics (http://kacpy.blogsome.com/2007/10/26/suara-blue-lyrics/#more-247).
The translation of it has been difficult to find. But it's definitely worth taking into consideration what is written - the lyrics are done by the guy who wrote/directed the series itself. They totally 'summarise' (explain) the content of the series. The last few lines are very...'interesting'; depending on how you want to interpret them, they can make you view the ending in several different ways. =)
Ugh, how can you kill us with that teaser and not provide the translation?! :twitch:
see my previous posts for spoiler for the ED song there's the lyrics and the translation. its not the full song though... i think for us to understand what the hell happened to mari and hagino we have to have the full version of the opening and ending song...darn which we dont...:eyebrow:
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-29, 21:13
That's the full lyrics for the OP. It's sung very slowly :p
In English, it's something like:
Many sorrows are placed upon the ship
Which loudly sings the song of destruction
From those dark depths it rises to the surface
Ah, escape with a silver coin now
The day when the two of us fly through the vast sky
I dream that it will come
I dream that it will come
Two overlapping skies exist
The flames of hatred and war rise up
A multitude of blod flows in rivers
Anyway, go - the surging sea is faint
Poseidon is only in our imagination
Without telling you
Without telling you, I...
Soon we'll fly to the end of the blue sky
That solitary face
I hold it to my chest
Hold it to my chest
What returns will give birth to that former land
Someday our hearts will find a way to meet
Really, really cryptic and hard to translate >_<
SnEptUne
2007-12-29, 22:37
Hmm... who was that old lady traveling on the spacecraft for peace negotiation at the end 30 years later? Is that Mari? And who is that man beside her? Husband?
Moreover, who was inside the other planes (escort ships?)? They sound familiar, but I am very bad with voice recognition.
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-29, 22:56
Hmm... who was that old lady traveling on the spacecraft for peace negotiation at the end 30 years later? Is that Mari? And who is that man beside her? Husband? Moreover, who was inside the other planes (escort ships?)? They sound familiar, but I am very bad with voice recognition.Those people are Micchi, who is ambassador plenipotentiary (i.e., with full power to make an agreement) of the United Nations, and the guy is her assistant, I believe. The pilots of the escort craft are Tsubael and Azanael.
SnEptUne
2007-12-29, 23:25
Those people are Micchi, who is ambassador plenipotentiary (i.e., with full power to make an agreement) of the United Nations, and the guy is her assistant, I believe. The pilots of the escort craft are Tsubael and Azanael.
I see. Thanks. So what happened to Mari was never explained.
Regardlessly, it is a great anime series, definitely worth buying ^_^, unlike many other anime series that only know about pleasing stereotypical brain-dead audience.
Ugh, how can you kill us with that teaser and not provide the translation?!
Heh sorry, I didn't have one to give! I'm not that cruel! I read a translation of it in October (but I cannot find it now), so I was only going by memory (and back then I didn't think the OP would have any major connection with the series content!). I was trying to warn others that it's hard to find a good translation, but I don't think I conveyed that quite right heh.
In English, it's something like:
Many thanks for this! The translation does seem v hard to do, but it does gives a general idea. It's interesting to read through.
i dont think that that is the full lyrics because it seems a little short.. but you could be right...hehe in any case the second part of the opening song talks about how there's two races...a suicide attack...and the last line means something like one day I will return to meet you...in this case I AGREE IT IS QUITE INTERESTING AS TO WHAT THE TRUE MEANING OF THAT LINE....
Yup. The difficulty though is that there is a bit of flexibility on how it's translated - and then how you interpret the last two sections. Regardless though, the lyrics do seem to end on a much more positive-sounding, romantic note - even after the kamikaze section.
I'm going to try and avoid building up my hopes too high because of the lyrics and script though - raising your expectations leaves you waiting in limbo. And that can lead to some major disappointment. But I do feel quite open-minded about things (the upcoming dvd manga, follow-ups, loopholes etc) at the moment, so we'll have to see.
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-30, 01:03
That's the full lyrics for the OP. It's sung very slowly :p
In English, it's something like:
Really, really cryptic and hard to translate >_<
that last bit of the song gives me a bit of hope....for mari and hagino...
changeup
2007-12-30, 01:08
Here is my translation of the OP:
Huh, some comments... I noticed that there is not a single Chinese word in the whole OP, which is very rare for a Japanese lyrics... imagine an English lyrics without a single French or Latin-derived word......There are some Kanji in the lyrics, but they all refer to Japanese intrinsic words... And the grammar is a little bit archaic...
Here is my translation ...(Japanese is my fifth language while English is my third, so please excuse me for any inaccuracy...)
With a loud song about the destruction, a ship filled with sorrow rose from the dark abyss of water.
Ah, now, with you, I rose above the silver (water). I have dreamed, I have dreamed the day when both of us fly to the high sky.
There has been two universes. The flame that the fight against the hatred brought is up...
Many magnitude of blood has shed...
Where are we going? The tide makes us faint... The god of sea is only what I am thinking about. Not telling you, without telling you...
Before long I will fly.. to the end of the world. And I, will only have her face in my heart, in my heart...
The return to where we are born formerly... Whenever we met, it is the fate of our love...
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-30, 01:12
Here is my translation of the OP:
Huh, some comments... I noticed that there is not a single Chinese word in the whole OP, which is very rare for a Japanese lyrics... imagine an English lyrics without a single French or Latin-derived word......There are some Kanji in the lyrics, but they all refer to Japanese intrinsic words... And the grammar is a little bit archaic...
Here is my translation ...(Japanese is my fifth language while English is my third, so please excuse me for any inaccuracy...)
With a loud song about the destruction, a ship filled with sorrow rose from the dark abyss of water.
Ah, now, with you, I rose above the silver (water). I have dreamed, I have dreamed the day when both of us fly to the high sky.
There has been two universes. The flame that the fight against the hatred brought is up...
Many magnitude of blood has shed...
Where are we going? The tide makes us faint... The god of sea is only what I am thinking about. Not telling you, without telling you...
Before long I will fly.. to the end of the world. And I, will only have her face in my heart, in my heart...
The return to where we are born formerly... Whenever we met, it is the fate of our love...
thanks for the translation...
i hope there will be some closure to hagino and mari's story...winter 2008 anime line up does not look promising for any yuri or shoujo ai.... :(
changeup
2007-12-30, 01:21
Keep an eye one the second season of Wellber's Sisters... there were certianly signs of yuri in the first season, and in the second season, from all that I have heard, that kind of relationship between the two heroines can only be solidified further... let's cross our fingers and pray....~~~
thanks for the translation...
i hope there will be some closure to hagino and mari's story...winter 2008 anime line up does not look promising for any yuri or shoujo ai.... :(
So.. unless something like this happens, no pregnancy? :(
That's right!
But wait! ;) In situations like these, there is only ONE thing to do now!
TO THE FANFICTION VAULT!!! :heh:
Too bad the vault is empty because no one has written a thing yet...:uhoh:
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Aside from bringing attention to the lack of Blue Drop fics, I would like to ask, are there anymore Blue Drop animes in the works for the future?
If they animated each story of the Blue Drop manga on its own... that'd be kinda a waste since they're so short but if they did it all together, then that might get out of hand because of the jumps in time and other various reasons? :eyebrow:
I'm kinda confused on this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. :)
you don't know what they did after Tsubael beamed out, they never showed it. <- there's enough "fanfic" to keep your hopes up :P
It's refreshing that the romance between Mari and Hagino was based on attraction and companionship, rather than neediness or lust, which is so often the case with anime relationships. I also like how the conflict within their romance is enhanced by hints of realism. In reality, isn't it possible to be cast away by family and society after making contact with the wrong people or loving someone in the wrong way?
I don't know what to make of the ending yet. Hopefully within a year and a half or so, Blue Drop will be released on R1 DVD with a good translation, or at the very least, simoun-fans will catch up. Floser's writing is too quick and dirty to do justice to this show in the long run.
Sub for 13 is finally out. Floser is bidding us all sayonara with a bang :D
Wow, even I, the hater of tragic and sad endings, saw this one coming. I just assumed hagino fell so much into depression she died of thirst from not conuming water anymore....or she just found someone else to love.
SnEptUne
2007-12-31, 00:06
It's refreshing that the romance between Mari and Hagino was based on attraction and companionship, rather than neediness or lust, which is so often the case with anime relationships. I also like how the conflict within their romance is enhanced by hints of realism. In reality, isn't it possible to be cast away by family and society after making contact with the wrong people or loving someone in the wrong way?
I don't know what to make of the ending yet. Hopefully within a year and a half or so, Blue Drop will be released on R1 DVD with a good translation, or at the very least, simoun-fans will catch up. Floser's writing is too quick and dirty to do justice to this show in the long run.
Really? Wow, anime these days are becoming this shallow... I have only watched Oofuri, Emily of New Moon, and Higurashi Kai recently, which don't really have anything to do romances.
A sad, yet beautiful ending. I shed a few tears, it's been a while since I was moved like this. There were some truly lovable characters in Blue Drop.
FlareKnight
2007-12-31, 02:30
Yep sad end for Hagino and a sad end for the world. This was a series that I enjoyed following. While not a big fan of sad endings this was a nice story.
Liked both Mari and Hagino so its too bad one didn't make it to the end. Though for those who survived its not a rosy future either.
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-31, 03:09
im still quite unsure what to make of the ending... there's a possibility that hagino is not yet dead... i like how micchi said "its just the beginning"...
FlareKnight
2007-12-31, 03:24
im still quite unsure what to make of the ending... there's a possibility that hagino is not yet dead... i like how micchi said "its just the beginning"...Well I suppose there is a possibility of anything, but I'm going to lean on Hagino being dead on this one. Doesn't seem to be the type that would bail on her ship during a sacrificial attack.
True enough its the beginning. Can take it as the beginning of a very long human occupation. Beginning of a very long resistance, just the start of the next chapter of the world.
grey_moon
2007-12-31, 03:50
I sniffled a lot *sniffle*. A very beautiful ending to a very nice series. Tsubael gets my best supporting role award. I wish there were more like her.
How can you start a good resistance with *only* humans? Arume allies are essential for a good resistance. For it, there must be good Arume who believe in humans and in the anime we have seen *only one* (-->Ekaril, Tsubael doesn't count much) thus far.
So a good beginning implies that there are powerful Arume allies of Horime.
I wonder why Ekaril is *perhaps* dead so peacefully with the CERTAINTY that things can get better for the Horime future. She must have known things that we don't, but I'm not sure if she is dead.
FlareKnight
2007-12-31, 04:05
How can you start a good resistance with *only* humans? Arume allies are essential for a good resistance. For it, there must be good Arume who believe in humans and in the anime we have seen *only one* (-->Ekaril, Tsubael doesn't count much) thus far.
So a good beginning implies that there are powerful Arume allies of Horime.
I wonder why Ekaril is *perhaps* dead so peacefully with the CERTAINTY that things can get better for the Horime future. She must have known things that we don't, but I'm not sure if she is dead.Well no one said it was going to be easy. Since I haven't lead many resistance forces wouldn't be able to give that good advice on it. Guess you'd start by stealing as much technology as you can, figure out how the heck it all works and move on from there. No doubt will require some sympathizers. Considering the size of the Arume population should be able to find some in there to work with.
Did like Tsubael's character. Did a good job of growing in the series and her views adjusting over time. Could feel for her after you could see how much she cared about Hagino. Couldn't go down with her commander and had to find a way to do what she could with things in the state they are in.
grey_moon
2007-12-31, 04:09
I just hope that the humies haven't hooked Mari up to an anti Arume Earth defence machine or something nasty like that (Noein type scenario)
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-31, 04:23
Did like Tsubael's character. Did a good job of growing in the series and her views adjusting over time. Could feel for her after you could see how much she cared about Hagino. Couldn't go down with her commander and had to find a way to do what she could with things in the state they are in.
<3 Tsubael :love:
I wonder if she managed to hold onto that shell. That really made her day :heh:
The ending was really disappointing. I was counting on it to propel this series over the "merely decent" bar. Sure it was cheaply touching, but there are plenty of anime like that. In a rare yuri series the girls need to get together. The 30 year time skip segment was completely pointless and off-putting. What do I care that thirty years down the road three minor characters are still alive, the one looking particularly old and nasty. (anime girls do not get old; it's like a rule)
SuperKnuckles
2007-12-31, 04:53
I thought it was a pretty good ending for what it was. The anime left a lot to the imagination, bu the last few scenes between Mari and Hagino were pretty good. It's a shame that the story wasn't more fleshed out between the two, though the final few made up for it a bit for me.
In my book, it's not exactly a great show or even a 'good' one, but what little of yuri romance I saw, I thought it was good. Though it's not nearly enough.
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-31, 04:55
Something I've noticed about people watching shows mainly for 'teh yuri': you're begging for disappointment.
Either you get Strawberry Panic or YamiBou (plotless yurifest) or you get Blue Drop or Rose of the Versailes (where yuri is just along for the ride of an already great story).
Something I've noticed about people watching shows mainly for 'teh yuri': you're begging for disappointment.
Either you get Strawberry Panic or YamiBou (plotless yurifest) or you get Blue Drop or Rose of the Versailes (where yuri is just along for the ride of an already great story).
There is hardly any parallel to be drawn between Rose of Versailles and Blue Drop. The one came from a time period where all yuri was tragic and melodramatic, at least from my limited experience. From what I briefly read of the Blue Drop manga, I had every reason to expect "teh yuri" to be the focus of the show (which it was, really).
grey_moon
2007-12-31, 05:18
YamiBou (plotless yurifest
Runs off to find this series :heh:
*Edit*
*sniffle* I've already seen it :p the nick name confused me
I thought Blue Drops yuri undertones far more moving then YamiBou's
Deathkillz
2007-12-31, 06:17
I came into this series purely for "teh yuri" so was rather surprised about the lack of err..."action?".
But while this series doesn't exactally give what was said on the tin (false advertising ftw) I still like the story for what it is ;) the story is made to be tragic as we already know what happens in the future (thanks to the spoilers) but the problem was trying to work out how the end should be.
Imo I think a better end would be if mari was "killed" with hagino on blue...as they kissed...just to give us a better sense of "well, at least they were together til the bitter end".
As it ended I can just see mari dying from depression XD
ps. Yamibou wins! :D
Well, I finally saw the ending and was rather bored at the end. And that's not a bad thing but actually a good thing as I'd rather be bored than saddened. SO, thank you all the spoilers and whatnot for letting me know beforehand what went on in ep 13! :P
This kinda includes manga but tries to focus mostly upon the anime as I am far far more familiar w the anime.
Basically, I, personally, wasn't impressed with the ending. Sure this ending can be considered powerful and all that :rolleyes: but really, I feel that it has been overdone in quite a few anime (see tragic hero motif and whatnot). But I will give props to the ending in regards to that pretty much, the truth hurts, I know, it was useless. Usually, from what I've seen, character A sacrifices him/herself and woo-hoo the evils are vanquished! Here? Ehhh, not so much :heh:
From what is given to us, from what we see on the screen, only three characters survive AND not even the main ones! And the new main character (forget her name) K-something is on her way to peace negotiations with beings that probably won't compromise to lowly horime demands. Remember, most of the arume we saw were specist with few rare exceptions. I have no hope for the peace deal going smoothly and humans overcoming the arume, at least for a very very VERY long time, if ever.
So what now? What exactly is the point? Hagino's long dead and she merely made a small (and I will also call it insignificant) dent into a massive human abusing machine. She may have killed that Master Commander but so what? Another Master Commander will take charge. Okay and so what about Mari? What happened to her? We don't know and have nothing to go off of.
Also, back to Hagino, if Hagino died in order to purge herself of her past sins, as I saw some people bringing up, I feel that that is ridiculous. She was forgiven by Mari and an apparition of her fallen comrade whose name is escaping me. Those are the only people she needed forgiveness from- Mari because she's the only survivor and her comrade because of her great sacrifice. And I don't say she needs forgiveness from the countless of other nameless arume and horimes because she has both their sides forgiveness. Mari's forgiveness and acceptance is on behalf of those humans who died that day from the incident while her comrade's forgiveness and reassurance is on behalf of the other arumes.
Instead of dying, I felt that Hagino should have lived and formed a resistance. Because now that she is dead, who else has the drive and the arume genes to replace her? No one, as it is evident that 30yrs later that the horime are almost(I think it is almost) groveling for peace because they can't defeat the arume.
I feel rather unfulfilled. I had expectations for this anime because the first few episodes actually seemed to have potential. The set up was brilliant, the characters and VAs were awesome, and pretty much most of the story was acceptable... until the end.
:rolleyes: I'm going to cut off my semi-rant now and go to bed. G'night(or good morning/afternoon/evening) all!
Prepare for an insanely long post.
First, I'd like to mention the point about resistance. Arume technology was advanced, but humans did put up a fight. Much of the destruction you see in the manga (if any of you get around to reading it) is as much the Arume's fault as it is the Horime's. The "peace" you see Kouski heading towards negotiating is actually a surrender - the war was costly and the Horime couldn't hold out much longer. In the manga you see that "time has stopped", those were the conditions for the surrender, a world where peace is eternal.
After a thousand years of this, the resistance isn't fighting to free themselves from the clutches of tyranny, they are just trying to change the world that has become stagnant for so long. Most people barely know what actually happened between the races at that point.
The ending was really disappointing. I was counting on it to propel this series over the "merely decent" bar. Sure it was cheaply touching, but there are plenty of anime like that. In a rare yuri series the girls need to get together. The 30 year time skip segment was completely pointless and off-putting. What do I care that thirty years down the road three minor characters are still alive, the one looking particularly old and nasty. (anime girls do not get old; it's like a rule)
This wasn't a yuri anime. It was a story about invasion with yuri elements. The Arume are a race of all women, coming for sexual reasons (to restore their male gender). The strong character drama was designed to show you how this one Arume came to invade and ended up being changed by the very people she was going to fight. The fact that she was involved in an accident was merely to propel the story in motion. Mari and Hagino were destined to be a tragic couple right from the beginning, which was immediately obvious when they met officially the first episode.
Even if you end the series at episode twelve, there is only one way for things to go - split between Arume responsibility and Horime relationships.
There is hardly any parallel to be drawn between Rose of Versailles and Blue Drop. The one came from a time period where all yuri was tragic and melodramatic, at least from my limited experience. From what I briefly read of the Blue Drop manga, I had every reason to expect "teh yuri" to be the focus of the show (which it was, really).
You obviously didn't read the manga long enough. None of the yuri relationships portrayed end well. Don't confuse the graphic images with what the story is actually about.
Well, I finally saw the ending and was rather bored at the end. And that's not a bad thing but actually a good thing as I'd rather be bored than saddened. SO, thank you all the spoilers and whatnot for letting me know beforehand what went on in ep 13! :P
This kinda includes manga but tries to focus mostly upon the anime as I am far far more familiar w the anime.
Basically, I, personally, wasn't impressed with the ending. Sure this ending can be considered powerful and all that :rolleyes: but really, I feel that it has been overdone in quite a few anime (see tragic hero motif and whatnot). But I will give props to the ending in regards to that pretty much, the truth hurts, I know, it was useless. Usually, from what I've seen, character A sacrifices him/herself and woo-hoo the evils are vanquished! Here? Ehhh, not so much :heh:
From what is given to us, from what we see on the screen, only three characters survive AND not even the main ones! And the new main character (forget her name) K-something is on her way to peace negotiations with beings that probably won't compromise to lowly horime demands. Remember, most of the arume we saw were specist with few rare exceptions. I have no hope for the peace deal going smoothly and humans overcoming the arume, at least for a very very VERY long time, if ever.
So what now? What exactly is the point? Hagino's long dead and she merely made a small (and I will also call it insignificant) dent into a massive human abusing machine. She may have killed that Master Commander but so what? Another Master Commander will take charge. Okay and so what about Mari? What happened to her? We don't know and have nothing to go off of.
Also, back to Hagino, if Hagino died in order to purge herself of her past sins, as I saw some people bringing up, I feel that that is ridiculous. She was forgiven by Mari and an apparition of her fallen comrade whose name is escaping me. Those are the only people she needed forgiveness from- Mari because she's the only survivor and her comrade because of her great sacrifice. And I don't say she needs forgiveness from the countless of other nameless arume and horimes because she has both their sides forgiveness. Mari's forgiveness and acceptance is on behalf of those humans who died that day from the incident while her comrade's forgiveness and reassurance is on behalf of the other arumes.
Instead of dying, I felt that Hagino should have lived and formed a resistance. Because now that she is dead, who else has the drive and the arume genes to replace her? No one, as it is evident that 30yrs later that the horime are almost(I think it is almost) groveling for peace because they can't defeat the arume.
I feel rather unfulfilled. I had expectations for this anime because the first few episodes actually seemed to have potential. The set up was brilliant, the characters and VAs were awesome, and pretty much most of the story was acceptable... until the end.
:rolleyes: I'm going to cut off my semi-rant now and go to bed. G'night(or good morning/afternoon/evening) all!
I do agree with some of what you said. I'll break it down thusly:
I too found it annoying that we have absolutely no clue about Mari. It felt empty to jump to that scene and going wait...that's it? So I really do want more. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the few who didn't mind Micchi, but it felt so hollow.
I really understand why people think Hagino and Mari should have just run off together and other fan fic moments but the truth is.....it's all unrealistic.
Here you have the perfect tragic character - Hagino. Responsible (directly and indirectly) for many deaths, she constantly holds herself in guilt and despair. She feels she needs to atone for her actions. What stops her from this for a while is Mari, the girl she saved years ago who has now grown up.
So Mari and Hagino start off rocky, have a roller coaster relationship, and finally cement their feelings for each other the day of the invasion. Hagino, desperate to protect those she has come to love, fights a losing battle against impossible odds and finally takes a heavily damaged ship into a head on collision to remove the biggest immediate threat - Shivariel.
It's a one way trip. As a commander in a military situation, she knows this. If she doesn't stop Shivariel now, all Arume will know of Mari, the evidence about the sabotage of Blue will be gone, and the genocide mode Novaal will cause mass destruction of the area around them.
Hagino knew all this. You don't see her plotting a resistance, or giving Horime info about the Arume, or anything like that. You see her making peace and spending time with the people and life she has come to love. She even says this at the end - Jeanne, Senkouji, Hagino san. She's speaking of the person she came to be, not the person she was. That's not the actions of a person planning to fight to the bitter end, like Azanael.
It's self sacrifice, and she didn't do it for anything grander than to protect the ones she loves dearly. To the Arume, it's the most beautiful thing ever. She may be a martyr of sorts and even hailed as a hero but her actions weren't intended to prevent the war, just to prevent the immediate threat. She knew full well that Blue couldn't fight this battle with Horime help. She even said this to Sensei.
Is the ending open? Sure. Is it possible for anything to happen? Sure. It is fiction after all, so as long as it meshes with the established story elements any explanation can work. But, remember this is a prequel. Mari and Hagino do not continue on to what we have in future stories so far.
So I'm not trying to dash anyones hopes here, really. I'm just trying to add a little bit of reality to wishful thinking.
I liked the ending. I'm also not shocked that it's not really an "ending". Heck, most anime endings are terribly ambiguous at best. That's fine, because it leaves avenues open for pretty much anything. But what you see is what you get, until established otherwise.
The *only* thing I'm disappointed in is the lack of Mari. It hurt what was otherwise something pretty well done for such a short series.
im still quite unsure what to make of the ending... there's a possibility that hagino is not yet dead... i like how micchi said "its just the beginning"...
Tsubael got out in an escape pod so fast. Hagino shouldn't have had a problem doing the same after crashing into the "mothership". Or maybe Onomil helped her to do so ;)
I've been avoiding this forum until I'd seen the final episode, in fear that the lure of the clicky may prove too much...
I knew when Hagino refused to make a remark about coming back, but just said 'sayonara' that this was a suicide mission and she wasn't coming back. Ejecting Tsubael just made me even more certain. But it was still a glorious moment when the Blue appeared ahead of Azaneal's stricken figher and rammed the Novaal, as Hagino recited lines from the play, was just a great moment.
Thanks to Floser to finishing the subs, to Genjo, for starting, and I'm hoping Simoun-Fans finish their version one day!
Blue Drop was a great anime of 2007, the yuri is not the main theme. Hagino and Blue Ship is the focus.
This episode 13 was great and very sad. Tsubael (that I like at start) have a amazing moments on this episode.
Other aspects of the Anime was perfect. CG effects (water, ships, lasers), voice actor was very impressive. The story is light, but is only 13 episodes, many questions still open. All Anime not have the obligation to finish all open ideas.
OP and ED music is one of my favorites Anime music. (Thanks Suara)
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-31, 10:02
Something I've noticed about people watching shows mainly for 'teh yuri': you're begging for disappointment. Either you get Strawberry Panic or YamiBou (plotless yurifest) or you get Blue Drop or Rose of Versailles (where yuri is just along for the ride of an already great story).Or you get Simoun, which is the best anime series I have ever seen, and in which there are a couple of more-or-less happy endings, among the tragic aspects.
I guess I would have liked to know what happened to Mari, but this uncertainty is quite emotionally resonant, it appears. It has generated quite a few posts full of feeling, in any case. And the knowledge that things will not work out that well for Horime in the long run gives a lovely tragic coloration to the ending.
Thanks to Solace for his/her interesting long post, but I do disagree with a couple of things. I think the yuri romance in Blue Drop was as important as the invasion. And I think the destruction you see in the manga was largely the result of Arume weapons. And I disagree fairly strongly with jedinat's feeling that the time-skip was "pointless." It placed the show in history. And it was good that it broke the silly "rule" that anime characters do not age. That realism is part of what made this show more mature than most anime.
If anyone would like something more graphically yuri, perhaps the manga included with the DVDs will fill the bill. Here is a preview image from chapter two, which will come out on 23 January:http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9238/02comicyw9.jpg (http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9238/02comicyw9.jpg)I guess if I were to complain about anything in Blue Drop, it would be that the emotions were not strong enough for me, compared to my other top show of the fall, ef. But that slight suppression of emotion has a strength of its own, and also gives the show a kind of maturity, it seems to me.
By the way, I think you could say that Maria-sama ga Miteru is yuri, and it is no tragedy. However, perhaps the most classically yuri show of all (although it has nothing of the graphic yuri-fest about it) is Oniisama-e (Brother, Dear Brother), which is emotionally extremely strong fare. Search "brother" on Tokyotosho.
By the way, if you want a very enjoyable ten minutes of a unique and well made yuri romantic comedy, watch the short new OVA Candy Boy. One warning, however: even though there is nothing particularly graphic about the show, there is an aspect to it that could offend even those who take no offense at yuri. For me, however, this little show, which just came out this month, snuck into my top ten for the year.
finaly got the floser sub downloaded. although the ending was a bit surprising, it did end out in a nice style.
i wasnt expecting for her to go on a suicide strike. infact i was expecting hagino to take on mari and then kick novaal's butt with the blue barely hanging on after novaal's destruction. seeing that didnt happen the events following up to the final explosions were done beautifully. i liked the 30yrs later but i was expecting to hear wat hapened to mari.
btw did floser do a good job subbing the eps ie no major mistakes?
btw did floser do a good job subbing the eps ie no major mistakes?
I don't think floser did that bad a job of subbing the episodes, some of it was a little off and I had to mentally rearrange some of it but pretty good I thought.
and I wonder if they had the ending a open, i.e no Mari info because they hope people will want to see the current manga's set not too far after it, in hopes of reading something about her. Leaves imagination for fanfiction too I guess.
Broken Thoughts
I don't know how to start. I let myself at getting severely delayed on watching the episodes, since at first I didn't want to watch the rest of it due that Floser fansubs switched from .avi to h264 format beginning from episode 8 and onwards.
However, because the last episode's sub was released yesterday, I simply couldn't wait anymore and took the decision on resuming Blue Drop watching again Floser releases.
What I have been liking about the story is that isn't necessarily linear. That non-linearity has allowed the storyline to be broken up into different subplots; several relating to the mainstream plot and others some autoconclusive that even though they don't further develop the story, instead give insight and exploration about the regular characters.
I really couldn't make at the start as to why Michiko was so stressed up at not being able to write the script. The writers pulled out an effective ambiguity regarding Michiko's overall outlook on what everyone was looking forward from her.
Michiko was afraid either that she lacked inspiration to start writing the script or she was afraid that the final result of her writing would have not met everyones' expectations including her own's.
It is not near the conclusion of the episode that Michiko finally discovers her source of inspiration upon observing through the window at both Mari and Hagino peacefully strolling side by side, that she takes off with the script.
What Michiko needs to learn is not feel ashamed for not fulfilling her assignment. Nobody is borned already learned. People make mistakes and have their own share of fears.
For next time she should feel relieved and better with herself, if she takes the initiative to talk her problems with Mari or Hagino; her best friends.
Azanael is quickly developing into a deep character.
She has her reasons as to why harbors that intense hatred towards Ekaril (a.k.a. Hagino), but through the Blue's computer recording from the fatal incident I learned that Ekaril is indeed a caring leader to all of her crew.
I know that Ekaril just as Azanael feels equally weighted down and affected by Onomil's death, as well as guilty for the deaths of both her kin and the residents of Mari's island hometown, including the latter's parents.
Tsubael got out in an escape pod so fast. Hagino shouldn't have had a problem doing the same after crashing into the "mothership". Or maybe Onomil helped her to do so ;)
Yes, there was a lot of ship to be crushed before it reached the bridge. I don't think Ekaril would have abandoned Onomil willingly, so this is a nice thought. If this followed right after the Ekaril/Tsubael scene though, it would have been almost comic, and absolutely ruined the moment. It does not seem unreasonable though, and so I am willing to believe that both Hagino and Mari's futures are yet to be determined.
Now that the topic of age has come up: anyone want to take a guess at Hagino's age? Since rescuing Mari, she doesn't look to have aged at all. I would guess that the Arume age very slowly, and that in itself would have an interesting effect on relationships.
About the floser sub, I am confused by the translation of Kouzuki's conversation, where she says (I think):
幕はまだ...貴方ばかり。
Who is the "you" here? Unless I am misunderstanding, this is worrisome...
Also, it is probably too late to be saying this, but in the manga, it is written フォリメ, which should be romanized as Forime, not Horime. Even worse is Kouzuki's name. One can argue about how that should be done, but it is not Kazuki! Well, if anyone does DVD subs, I hope they'll fix these minor issues. Don't get me wrong though, I do appreciate the translations!
Gah so much new material for the musical score in the final episode, and no soundtrack release in sight.
They hate me.
Or you get Simoun, which is the best anime series I have ever seen, and in which there are a couple of more-or-less happy endings, among the tragic aspects.
But saying Simoun is about yuri is like saying Gankutsuou is about BL.
By the way, I think you could say that Maria-sama ga Miteru is yuri, and it is no tragedy.
You could, perhaps, but I'm not sure that would be correct, since as I recall there was only one official lesbian couple...and they ended rather tragically. There is subtext, but I don't think that overrides the main thrust of the series--which is simply a shoujo slice of life in an all-girls boarding school.
However, perhaps the most classically yuri show of all (although it has nothing of the graphic yuri-fest about it) is Oniisama-e (Brother, Dear Brother), which is emotionally extremely strong fare. Search "brother" on Tokyotosho.
And also tragic in more than one aspect.
I really couldn't stand Kannazuki no Miko--and I couldn't stand the main couple either--but I thought it's ending was very important when it comes to moving away from the "tragic yuri" cliche. Simoun also furthered this somewhat. So this ending, however much it made sense, seemed like a step back to me. (And even the non-tragic ending stuff tends to be high on the drama meter. I guess that's why one of my favorite f/f couples is Kyouko/Barbara. Even though they're a side couple in Galboy, they're just so happy and in love with one another in a way that rings true and not as fanservice.)
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-31, 15:34
I only care about a good story with interesting characters. Yuri doesn't mean anything to me, really :heh:
*Runs* :uhoh:
Just to let you guys know, the Arume will dominate Earth for several hundred years. The manga are set after the invasion and while one is directly after, another is set there hundreds of years later.
The second manga is very twisted. Basically the plot is the Arume are trying to destroy the male humans. They impregnate the females to stop male births and the basis of the second one is they even go as far as turning males into females that work. Or they hope work, which is what the manga is about. A guys best friend is turned females and now they are making 'her' try and have sex with the main guy to see if 'she' can get pregnant.
Thanks to Solace for his/her interesting long post, but I do disagree with a couple of things. I think the yuri romance in Blue Drop was as important as the invasion. And I think the destruction you see in the manga was largely the result of Arume weapons.
Sorry I have to disagree with the first part. The second part might be better discussed in the manga thread.
I can't consider this a yuri anime. Not like the manga, which has plenty of it. The anime focuses on the relationships, which could be taken in many ways. I honestly can't count a scene here and there and go ok, this is now a yuri anime.
Yuri themes, yes. It's hard to have a show where the cast is almost all female and not have some kind of undertone of yuri. But it's not even close to the focus of the show. Yuri anime implies that there will be "that" kind of relationship. For 99 percent of the entire anime, this simply isn't true. In fact, I think Azanael and Onomil can be used as an argument for calling this yuri much better than Mari and Hagino.
FlareKnight
2007-12-31, 18:27
Just to let you guys know, the Arume will dominate Earth for several hundred years. The manga are set after the invasion and while one is directly after, another is set there hundreds of years later.
The second manga is very twisted. Basically the plot is the Arume are trying to destroy the male humans. They impregnate the females to stop male births and the basis of the second one is they even go as far as turning males into females that work. Or they hope work, which is what the manga is about. A guys best friend is turned females and now they are making 'her' try and have sex with the main guy to see if 'she' can get pregnant.Well that's just a depressing turn of events. Not only do we get owned, but we get owned for a very long time. Considering what is going on in that second manga I'm really glad that I'm not living in that world.
Guess we can't win out all the time.
so, um...
watched this last night after a long bike ride so had to watch it again today.
i'm neither disappointed nor happy with the ending. i guess since they were going with the entire joan of arc theme they HAD to kill off hagino. but i i really didn't understand why she went off with the intent to die in the first place.
i can sort of understand sacrificing herself to destroy shibariel's ship, the nobal, before it torched the school and city to destroy mari and the telepathy data, not mentioning the entire crap she orchestrated with the emiru drive failure that left the island a killing field... but she didn't make an attempt to save herself. that's sort of a copout.
meh.
it still reeks of sappy yuri (to the final flames consuming jeanne).
for some reason donning an orange HEV suit and and beating the alien scum to death with a crowbar seems a better ending.
or at least holding out for oral.
this series got me hooked, and left me hanging.
changeup
2007-12-31, 20:52
im still quite unsure what to make of the ending... there's a possibility that hagino is not yet dead... i like how micchi said "its just the beginning"...
I guess I am the only true believer here that thinks Hagino wasn't dead. Actually a lot of hints point to this direction: Micchi's words, the script book she held, also the keyword "omajinai..." Anyway, I think from an pure aethetic point of view Hagino better be dead... perfect sad ending and all...
<3 Tsubael :love:
I wonder if she managed to hold onto that shell. That really made her day :heh:
I do feel happy that Tsubael survived. Too many have shed their lives for someone they loved unilaterally.. and I will be happy if she would be with Azanael after all.
The ending was really disappointing. I was counting on it to propel this series over the "merely decent" bar. Sure it was cheaply touching, but there are plenty of anime like that. In a rare yuri series the girls need to get together. The 30 year time skip segment was completely pointless and off-putting. What do I care that thirty years down the road three minor characters are still alive, the one looking particularly old and nasty. (anime girls do not get old; it's like a rule)
I feel the ending fitting. Maybe there are other animes like this, but this one executed it perfectly. Most of us were emotionally challenged..
Something I've noticed about people watching shows mainly for 'teh yuri': you're begging for disappointment.
Either you get Strawberry Panic or YamiBou (plotless yurifest) or you get Blue Drop or Rose of the Versailes (where yuri is just along for the ride of an already great story).
I have to disagree with you. YamiBou is a beautiful story about chasing a vain love. If you are saying it's just plotless yurifest I have to question your read of the plot...
Or you get Simoun, which is the best anime series I have ever seen, and in which there are a couple of more-or-less happy endings, among the tragic aspects.
I guess I would have liked to know what happened to Mari, but this uncertainty is quite emotionally resonant, it appears. It has generated quite a few posts full of feeling, in any case. And the knowledge that things will not work out that well for Horime in the long run gives a lovely tragic coloration to the ending.
Thanks to Solace for his/her interesting long post, but I do disagree with a couple of things. I think the yuri romance in Blue Drop was as important as the invasion. And I think the destruction you see in the manga was largely the result of Arume weapons. And I disagree fairly strongly with jedinat's feeling that the time-skip was "pointless." It placed the show in history. And it was good that it broke the silly "rule" that anime characters do not age. That realism is part of what made this show more mature than most anime.
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By the way, if you want a very enjoyable ten minutes of a unique and well made yuri romantic comedy, watch the short new OVA Candy Boy. One warning, however: even though there is nothing particularly graphic about the show, there is an aspect to it that could offend even those who take no offense at yuri. For me, however, this little show, which just came out this month, snuck into my top ten for the year.
Simoun is defintely my all-time favorite. No problem about it. Its ending can be interpreted in many ways. From my point of view, it's a rather sad ending with some silver linings around... but maybe too unrealistic for me to consider it anything encouraging. As Dominura put it, "in the end I saw hope... how cruel is it?"
Blue Drop does not top Simoun's broadness and deepness. It is more about a simple, yet very touching story. This being said, it is still easily my favorite anime this year, although this year's animes is simply down compared with last year's.
About the time lapse, I believe the chronological structure of this series is paying a tribute to Saikano, another sad love story set in a war background.
And Candy Boy rocks!
Well that's just a depressing turn of events. Not only do we get owned, but we get owned for a very long time. Considering what is going on in that second manga I'm really glad that I'm not living in that world.
Guess we can't win out all the time.
We might not be able to beat the Arume, but we are so numerous that eventually we will homogenize them into some sort of us own...
Well that's just a depressing turn of events. Not only do we get owned, but we get owned for a very long time.
It's not so bad; there is no more war, is there? Honestly, I think it is about time that our arrogant species was put in its place. Let's not kid ourselves; long before the Arume arrived, people have been exploiting each other in the most evil of ways.
The Arume ideal of sacrificing people may not be very agreeable, but it might not even amount to much in the scheme of things. After all, an immense number of people are already impoverished and die every day, simply lacking the basic necessities of life. This need not be the case, and yet people have done little to improve the situation, and in many cases just make it worse. At least under the Arume, people are probably no longer killing each other over petty ideological differences.
As to the plight of the Forime males, well, yeah, it sucks to be a member of the underclass. However, this is already common throughout the world today; the positions have simply been exchanged. In any case though, the Forime females are free to choose either way. Under the new order, the males just need to focus on being better people, since they now have competition. :)
Considering what is going on in that second manga I'm really glad that I'm not living in that world.
Guess we can't win out all the time.
Perhaps we did win out; people are still around after a thousand years, no? When I look at the world today, I can't help but think we may just as easily have perished if the Arume had not arrived. Once molecular technology is within our grasp, truly wonderful and terrible possibilities will arise. If we have not sorted out the terrorism mess by then, then god help us.
(And no, we don't need a war on terrorism, we need to stop the mass exploitation of people, stop subverting foreign governments for our own interests, and generally improve the quality of living throughout the world. Ironically, most of this can be done by simply not doing (evil) things. There needs to be a war on the war on terrorism though, because it is nothing but a farce to seize control of the people through fear.)
Also, many thanks to Kaoru Chujo for suggesting Candy Boy. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would have completely overlooked it if you hadn't pointed it out.
In the second one the Arume use human females as sex slaves. Forced to go to massive orgies in the Arume only sections of cities, highschool girls are the favorite target. They are all forced to head to the places and forced to perform sexual acts with the Arume, then many get pregnant.
There is a resistance, but it can't do more than kill a few Arume here and there.
Overall humanities fate looks grim. They will be destroyed by slow evolution. Mixing between the races until the great, great, great, great grandchildren will basically be Arume, with trace amounts of human.
grey_moon
2007-12-31, 22:48
In the second one the Arume use human females as sex slaves. Forced to go to massive orgies in the Arume only sections of cities, highschool girls are the favorite target. They are all forced to head to the places and forced to perform sexual acts with the Arume, then many get pregnant.
There is a resistance, but it can't do more than kill a few Arume here and there.
Overall humanities fate looks grim. They will be destroyed by slow evolution. Mixing between the races until the great, great, great, great grandchildren will basically be Arume, with trace amounts of human.
:twitch: I having trouble jumping from the Blue Drop I've just seen to imagining that scene....
I still don't get why they want to introduce a part of the body that looks like a dead chicken back into their race :p
Kaoru Chujo
2007-12-31, 22:56
Just to let you guys know, the Arume will dominate Earth for several hundred years. The manga are set after the invasion and while one is directly after, another is set there hundreds of years later. The second manga is very twisted. Basically the plot is the Arume are trying to destroy the male humans. They impregnate the females to stop male births and the basis of the second one is they even go as far as turning males into females that work. Or they hope work, which is what the manga is about. A guys best friend is turned females and now they are making 'her' try and have sex with the main guy to see if 'she' can get pregnant.A lot of this doesn't seem a correct representation of the manga to me. That second manga (Tenshi no Bokura) is the one ten years or so after the invasion. There are factions among the Arume, and one of them has put a guy's mind into a defective Arume body and sends him to get pregnant (he chooses his best friend for that.) That faction doesn't see any need for guys, but another faction is investigating males to see if it can bring them back among the Arume. I might have missed it, but I don't remember anything about the Arume impregnating females to stop male births. It does appear that almost all Arume are more interested sexually in females than in males. One Arume scientist/admiral is seen living among males to study their physical nature, however. In any case, I think it's more complicated than just Arume trying to destroy males.
The first manga volume was a collection of separate stories, most set a thousand years in the future, when a human/Arume hybrid called Yui is spearheading the human resistance. There is now a third manga (Maiorita Tenshi) coming out a chapter at a time with the anime DVD. It is set seven years after the invasion, and the heroine is a human orphan whose parents were killed in the invasion. The first chapter has been scanlated and torrented. In the second one the Arume use human females as sex slaves. Forced to go to massive orgies in the Arume only sections of cities, highschool girls are the favorite target. They are all forced to head to the places and forced to perform sexual acts with the Arume, then many get pregnant. There is a resistance, but it can't do more than kill a few Arume here and there. Overall humanities fate looks grim. They will be destroyed by slow evolution. Mixing between the races until the great, great, great, great grandchildren will basically be Arume, with trace amounts of human.I don't think any of the more lurid parts of this are correct, either. I don't see evidence that human females are forced into anything: the Arume are powerfully attractive to women, it seems. And there appears to be a distinction between pure humans and hybrids even a thousand years after the invasion.And grey_moon, I don't think it's the body part they want so much as the Y chromosomes.
the soundtrack will be enclosed in DVD vol.6.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-31, 23:07
the soundtrack will be enclosed in DVD vol.6.
Then we'll have to wait six month. That's so unfair :(
FatPianoBoy
2007-12-31, 23:12
A lot of this doesn't seem a correct representation of the manga to me. I might have missed it, but I don't remember anything about the Arume impregnating females to stop male births.
It isn't. At all. TigerII, I would suggest... well, reading the manga. Read the scanlations if you don't understand Japanse well, because your summaries are a misrepresentation of the material.
There was one incident in chapter 3 of Bokura, the two Arume who brought Shouta and Kotoko to Arume street said that they intended to impregnate Kotoko in order to prevent Shouta from possibly giving her a male child. How serious they were is debatable, as Kotoko has several more... encounters with them later and the subject isn't brought up at all.
I don't see evidence that human females are forced into anything: the Arume are powerfully attractive to women, it seems.
They aren't forced into anything usually (Kotoko's case was an exception - they really did blackmail her into that), which as Mariel points out, is a big problem.
But apparently not all women have their hinges replaced to swing the other way, as pure humans and men are still around a millennium after Bokura takes place.
OST is in volume six?? :sad:
grey_moon
2007-12-31, 23:14
]And grey_moon, I don't think it's the body part they want so much as the Y chromosomes.
For some reason your reply made me LOL, but I see your point from a more scientific pov. Your spoilered bit about living with a group of subjects makes it sound like they don't understand/know about the chicken head race at all.
FlareKnight
2007-12-31, 23:38
It's not so bad; there is no more war, is there? Honestly, I think it is about time that our arrogant species was put in its place. Let's not kid ourselves; long before the Arume arrived, people have been exploiting each other in the most evil of ways.
The Arume ideal of sacrificing people may not be very agreeable, but it might not even amount to much in the scheme of things. After all, an immense number of people are already impoverished and die every day, simply lacking the basic necessities of life. This need not be the case, and yet people have done little to improve the situation, and in many cases just make it worse. At least under the Arume, people are probably no longer killing each other over petty ideological differences.
As to the plight of the Forime males, well, yeah, it sucks to be a member of the underclass. However, this is already common throughout the world today; the positions have simply been exchanged. In any case though, the Forime females are free to choose either way. Under the new order, the males just need to focus on being better people, since they now have competition. :)
Perhaps we did win out; people are still around after a thousand years, no? When I look at the world today, I can't help but think we may just as easily have perished if the Arume had not arrived. Once molecular technology is within our grasp, truly wonderful and terrible possibilities will arise. If we have not sorted out the terrorism mess by then, then god help us.
(And no, we don't need a war on terrorism, we need to stop the mass exploitation of people, stop subverting foreign governments for our own interests, and generally improve the quality of living throughout the world. Ironically, most of this can be done by simply not doing (evil) things. There needs to be a war on the war on terrorism though, because it is nothing but a farce to seize control of the people through fear.)
Also, many thanks to Kaoru Chujo for suggesting Candy Boy. I'm sure I'm not the only one who would have completely overlooked it if you hadn't pointed it out.Well I'll just sit on the side of it not being a worthwhile peace if we can't attain it ourselves. If someone comes in, conquers everything and forces 'peace' upon you its just not well real.
Just don't think trading the impoverish of now to those being killed off under new rulers as much of a trade off. If we're going to have terrible things happening anyways I'll have it under our hand. Doesn't really matter why people are getting killed if that fact hasn't changed.
Shouldn't be a shock humans are still around after 1000 years of control. If they conquered the planet to make use of the human gene pool it'd be incredibly stupid of them to wipe out the species. Since they'd have to start looking for another planet of people and that can't be a fun way to spend your days. Sadly unless someone comes up with a way to either overthrow the Arume or find some way for equality its not a bright future. Eventually will be lost to species mixing and that will be a very quiet exit.
Who knows maybe I'm just stubborn. May just be the type that'd let us blow ourselves to hell rather than be under someone's thumb for a very long time. No doubt the world is pretty messed up right now. Impoverished nations, corrupt government in some of those nations that take money for themselves. Will have to take care of that ourselves or face the consequences.
On a lighter note. Am I the only one surprised that no one when things looked grim for humanity decided to just damn it all and fire all the nukes? Seriously go for broke if your not going to win.
Kazu-kun
2007-12-31, 23:39
For some reason your reply made me LOL, but I see your point from a more scientific pov. Your spoilered bit about living with a group of subjects makes it sound like they don't understand/know about the chicken head race at all.
They probably lost the male gender thousands of years prior the invasion, making men a sort of unknown existence to them. Thus, for an open-minded Arume like Mariel, males are an interesting subject of study. Plus, they feel no attraction towards men, which provides more objectivity to the whole thing. Of course, most of them are not like Mariel, and want nothing to do with men at all. Although It's not like they want to eliminate men either.
Lady_in_blue
2007-12-31, 23:48
I guess I am the only true believer here that thinks Hagino wasn't dead. Actually a lot of hints point to this direction: Micchi's words, the script book she held, also the keyword "omajinai..." Anyway, I think from an pure aethetic point of view Hagino better be dead... perfect sad ending and all...
I do feel happy that Tsubael survived. Too many have shed their lives for someone they loved unilaterally.. and I will be happy if she would be with Azanael after all.
I feel the ending fitting. Maybe there are other animes like this, but this one executed it perfectly. Most of us were emotionally challenged..
I have to disagree with you. YamiBou is a beautiful story about chasing a vain love. If you are saying it's just plotless yurifest I have to question your read of the plot...
Simoun is defintely my all-time favorite. No problem about it. Its ending can be interpreted in many ways. From my point of view, it's a rather sad ending with some silver linings around... but maybe too unrealistic for me to consider it anything encouraging. As Dominura put it, "in the end I saw hope... how cruel is it?"
Blue Drop does not top Simoun's broadness and deepness. It is more about a simple, yet very touching story. This being said, it is still easily my favorite anime this year, although this year's animes is simply down compared with last year's.
About the time lapse, I believe the chronological structure of this series is paying a tribute to Saikano, another sad love story set in a war background.
And Candy Boy rocks!
We might not be able to beat the Arume, but we are so numerous that eventually we will homogenize them into some sort of us own...
yeah changeup im with you...ekaril just cant die like that...
and candy boy is hella funny!
grey_moon
2008-01-01, 00:16
They probably lost the male gender thousands of years prior the invasion, making men a sort of unknown existence to them. Thus, for an open-minded Arume like Mariel, males are an interesting subject of study. Plus, they feel no attraction towards men, which provides more objectivity to the whole thing. Of course, most of them are not like Mariel, and want nothing to do with men at all. Although It's not like they want to eliminate men either.
I guess it would be like us finding chimpanzees sexually attractive :twitch:
I'm really really glad people are seriously talking about this, regardless of if you felt the ending was good or bad or whatever. Through this discussion I really desire to get my hands on some Blue Drop manga to see what's going on myself. If anyone can direct me to such a place where I can obtain this work, I'll greatly appreciate it. :)
As much as I want Hagino to have survived, I find it bleak unless we are given more material to work with supporting Hagino being alive. Because at this moment, without the soundtrack and whatnot, you can merely make assumptions here and there :rolleyes:
I really wished they went in to what happened about Mari. Talk about tying up loose ends...not!
I guess it would be like us finding chimpanzees sexually attractive :twitch:
That just made me LOL. :heh: Cause you know, some people DO find animals sexually attractive if you know what I mean ;). I can't imagine it to be any fun for the animal though but then again, I have no experience with this sort of thing and so I probably am a poor choice to get an answer from.
Kazu-kun
2008-01-01, 00:44
I'm really really glad people are seriously talking about this, regardless of if you felt the ending was good or bad or whatever. Through this discussion I really desire to get my hands on some Blue Drop manga to see what's going on myself. If anyone can direct me to such a place where I can obtain this work, I'll greatly appreciate it. :)
This is the best place to start:
http://www.lililicious.net/projectDet.php?id=60
There you can download the original manga (the one that takes place 1000 years after the anime).
This is the best place to start:
http://www.lililicious.net/projectDet.php?id=60
There you can download the original manga (the one that takes place 1000 years after the anime).
Thanks Kazu but I've already read all those and currently have them saved on my hard drive for now but is there any other way to obtain more than what lililicious has? Or is that all of it? I was under the impression that there is some more that lililicious does not currently have. :confused: And if I'm mistaken then that just means I'm now currently confused with what's going on in regards to time line wise and should probably just head over to the manga discussion thread for Blue Drop.
I never said it was an implamented plan, but it was something they came up with. They said directly, lets impregnate her s it will not be a male. Those were not Arume, but I doubt that this plan was not thought of. This is a young manga, and there are several chapters to come.
But I never said it was a Arume government decision. But those Arume did say it.
FatPianoBoy
2008-01-01, 01:16
Scanlations of the first three chapters of Tenshi no Bokura, the one set ten years after the anime, has the first three chapters scanlated so far. I know where the first (http://www.manganews.net/seriesinfo.php?id=6426) and third (http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=7104) chapters are, but I can't remember where the second one is.
But I never said it was a Arume government decision. But those Arume did say it.
Indeed they did. But the way you phrased it made it sound like it was state-sanctioned operation to kidnapped young ladies and impregnate them with Arume babies :heh:
fict_ticious
2008-01-01, 04:48
Episode 13: CARRIER HAS ARRIVED
Well, I expected some sacrifice to be made on Hagino's part, but I was expecting Azanael to pull some crazy stuff off. Genocide mode looked like them bosses in those old space shoot-'em-ups. No power ups for our defenders, though.
Overall, it was a good show. I think I'll promote it to my "recommended" list.
One thing which should be noted about the final episode, but AFAIK wasn't yet:
The music. The wonderful music. Especially the little piano piece which begins when Mari starts chasing after Blue on the pier, which begins quiet and sad, and eventually gains depth when a layer of strings gets added. By now, this piece alone is almost enough already to create a little lump in my throat ^_^;
For me personally, this very scene, which was prepared so meticulously in the prior episodes, will remain in my memories as the sparkling highlight of the show. So much love and attention to detail went into it. Throughout the entire show, I had the uneasy feeling that Mari's run, which was shown in the OP, would signify the climax if it were to have no happy ending. And it did.
Next to the music, outstanding seiyuu performances too. A choked-up Hagino, trying to force her words out over the lump in her throat, leading to her voice breaking. A crying Tsubael having difficulties to confirm her order. And ever-spunky Mari, whose willful nature prevents her from collapse, but whose shouts grow more desperate bit by bit. I wonder how many times they recorded these parts before they chose the best versions.
So much thought and attention to detail went into this climax, which in my opinion outshone Hagino's "Sayounara" (which gave me a little pang, but nothing more) by quite a margin.
Yes! Good god, yes!
I think music in any visual medium is often the most overlooked but essential part of a series. The right kind of music can either make or break a scene, and the scene Mentar mentioned was just exquisite (and heartbreaking ::sob, sniffle::). I am very eager to hear the OST/buy the DVD's.
Ep 13, what can I say? It was not the ending I would have liked, (in my desperation for a happy ending) but regardless it was beautiful, and I can't really think of any other ending that would have done the series justice. I think the strength of the series was that it hard the majority of viewers so emotionally involved, and the reactions to the ending kind of prove that.
Once again, thank you to FLoser for getting the subs out quickly, and I wait with baited breath for Simoun-fans/english licensing/any form of sequel or continuation of the story ;)
now that i'm contemplating about it, EkarilHagino doesnt know that she's not the one responsible for the Kamiokijima Massacre. in her mind the kamikaze is justified, but we (as well as Azanael, and Shivariel's subordinates) know that it's just an outright tragic end.
anyway, another thing i notice is that Arume are using Emiru Force that materialize nightmares. supposedly, only Shivariel (and everyone that was there when Azanael blow the gun) know about this aspect of The Force, right ? then, EkarilHagino's sacrifice to bury Shivariel along with all of her knowledge under the cold depth of the sea is in vain. worse, if everything that Shivariel knows are already transmitted to the central Arume government, Mari will be the #1 target of the Arume.
Blue Drop season 2 is probably about Mari's life under constant pursuit of the Arume. it will be a war anime. who knows, because Mari is Mari, she will pull something out that lead to the Peace Agreement. and because we see Mari wasn't there with Ambassador Kouzuki, probably she died too in the progress.
*off topic*
i can so mentally picture Itoshiki-sensei shouting "zetsubou shitaaaaa !!!" when Arume fleets are hovering above him. :p
If they ever make the second season I don't think it will be about Mari or anyone from the first series. It would probably have a new story, with new characters.
grey_moon
2008-01-01, 13:19
Manga rocks, if S2 is based on that I'll most defiantly be happy. No real yuri fest, but lots of room to slap some in there if the director wants to cater for a certain group of fans :)
Yes my apologies if they way I said it made it seem like a government plan. But the changing male to female was a government plan. And since there are only three chapters, I might not be wrong, or I might about the getting rid of males. Only time will tell.
As for one thing, I just wonder what happened to Mari. I guess she just moved on. Who knows.
FatPianoBoy
2008-01-01, 23:54
And since there are only three chapters
There are 11 in Japanese, 3 of which have been scanlated into English. Several of us here (including myself) have been keeping up with the Japanese releases.
3 chapters to us English readers then
crazyhorse
2008-01-02, 02:52
I just finished watching the last episode now and while it was really well done, it felt anticlimatic. The final scene where Hagino sacrifices herself was expected, but after that I was like....isn't there going to be more? It didn't feel like an ending to me. I really expected there to be like at least 5 more minutes left to explain all the holes. It ended with a bang, but left nothing to calm it down. It just felt like it was missing something.
Other than that, I like the whole lovey dovey state Hagino and Mari were in. Just made me feel all giddy. I also just loved the "goodbye" scene. Very touching.
Well, it's been great following this, I just wished they explained some stuff more.
Well, I have a lot of reading to catch up with in this thread but for now I will say I am mostly satisfied with the ending. It was quite clear that there was going to be no happy end, the farewell scene was really poignant and I am a sucker for characters sacrificing themselves to save others, so I liked the kamikaze moment, too. And the music's importance and impact really went up a notch in the final episode.
Shikimori Kazuki
2008-01-02, 20:15
Is the manga still continuing after the anime's ending or is this it??
I feel kind of sad at the end where Hagino sacrificed herself, but i know something has to be done to stop that crazy ship else all hell breaks loose:heh:. But the end didnt explain much, it reached the climax but theres nothing to calm the waves, we dont know what happens after Hagino's sacrifice....
I'll recommend this series, to ones who likes drama:).
Memories of the Night
I'm still slightly far from concluding the series, but it seems that for the ninth episode Mari is just one step closer from finding out the truth that happened at the island.
What does Mari holds so special to her to have been targeted by Shivariel so zealously?
At the deserted restaurant on the rainy night, she and Hagino happened not only to share the same dream of the incident but also exchanging events as if they were telepathically communicating like Azanael inferred.
The conflict arises upon that Hagino is so tormented with guilt for the malfunctioning of the Emil Drive, weighing on herself the burden and sin of being responsible for the deaths of her crew, her platoon, and the island inhabitants.
Why is it that rather on attempting focusing at saving her comrades lives Ekaril (Hagino) chose to save Mari instead?
Maybe Ekaril felt that at least needed to save any speck of an Earthling's life as a an apology and to atone for her mistake, which the lives of the islands' inhabitants.
Unfortunately, it fills her with pure remorse to witness that Mari partially knows the truth and thanks her in tears for saving her. She still doesn't know that the tragedy in part was Hagino's mistake.
It isn't obvious then for me to predict, that Hagino plans to invite Mari aboard the Blue and ripe the rightful time to tell her the full truth of what happened.
The gist is that I have a very bad feeling on the path that the show is heading towards, since by knowing the partial truth from Ekaril's dream about what happened that day Azanael has become more riled up.
Shocked and frustrated to have watched that Ekaril saved Mari instead of Onomil by which common sense and logic she as the BLUE's commander should have worried over the safety of her crew first.
Sin Ansem
2008-01-02, 23:12
Yo. Nooblet here.
I was quite surprised by this series. I'm not really sure what caught my eye about it, maybe it was the promise of yuri, maybe it was the random idea of spaceships, but something told me to stick around.
I watched it and loved it. While the yuri took too long to develop, the drama in the show was superior to many things that season.
I'm currently trying to understand the manga and therefore the Arume way of life, as I'm cooking up a rather unusual fanfic involving them.
I've seen the latest translations of the stuff on the hidden site, such as the Gosutas and the sex pills, but no dice on the earlier stuff (and I'm not navigating SEVENTY THREE PAGES ;_; ), can anyone help?
Kazu-kun
2008-01-03, 00:14
I'm currently trying to understand the manga and therefore the Arume way of life, as I'm cooking up a rather unusual fanfic involving them.
I've seen the latest translations of the stuff on the hidden site, such as the Gosutas and the sex pills, but no dice on the earlier stuff (and I'm not navigating SEVENTY THREE PAGES ;_; ), can anyone help?
Earlier stuff... mmm. Here's a translation of the official timeline:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1221872&postcount=7
And this is Kaoru's translation of the previous bunch of hidden pages:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1310798&postcount=1183
Some clarifications from my part about those hidden pages:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1311219&postcount=1196
This is a post by FPB which I think is quite helpful to understand why the Arume are on Earth:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1281251&postcount=812
Some general clarifications about the Arume's reproductive method:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1316018&postcount=64
Some info about the Thought-Arresting Weapon:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1308371&postcount=1106
An interesting post by FPB about Arume main characters:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1318619&postcount=74
Looking forwards to that fanfic BTW...
Sin Ansem
2008-01-03, 00:35
Oh ho ho. That puts a lot of things in perspective for me, thanks!
And uh.. I hope you like crossovers. Of the not-super-serious kind. It starts with Metroid and goes into a Brawl from there. If you're still not repulsed, point me to your fanfic section and I'll post what I have so far.
Kaoru Chujo
2008-01-03, 12:07
Is the manga still continuing after the anime's ending or is this it?....One manga is continuing and another is just starting, but neither involves the characters from the anime.
The continuing manga involves lots of nudity and some sex, and is a very different animal from the anime.
The new manga is included with the anime DVD, and so far seems to share some of the anime's tone. It is set seven years after the invasion, before Micchi flies to the mothership, so maybe it will connect with the anime, but so far it doesn't.
Shikimori Kazuki
2008-01-03, 13:54
One manga is continuing and another is just starting, but neither involves the characters from the anime.
The continuing manga involves lots of nudity and some sex, and is a very different animal from the anime.
The new manga is included with the anime DVD, and so far seems to share some of the anime's tone. It is set seven years after the invasion, before Micchi flies to the mothership, so maybe it will connect with the anime, but so far it doesn't.
ah, thats sad to hear. but i really do want to know whats happens next to the characters, especially Mari and the time gap between Hagino's death and the starting of the peace negotiations.
For some reason, this anime reminds me of the Banners of the Stars series. since is about unknown beings and humans relationships.:)
Kaoru Chujo
2008-01-03, 14:36
...For some reason, this anime reminds me of the Banners of the Stars series. since is about unknown beings and humans relationships.:)Interesting comparison. I think both shows portray humanoid aliens that are just enough like us for us to relate to, while being just enough unlike us to feel alien.
changeup
2008-01-03, 18:40
I think in Banners of Stars those humanoids are not aliens, but rather something humans created... it has been quite a while and I cannot recall all those details, so I might be wrong.
Interesting comparison. I think both shows portray humanoid aliens that are just enough like us for us to relate to, while being just enough unlike us to feel alien.
FatPianoBoy
2008-01-03, 19:30
I think in Banners of Stars those humanoids are not aliens, but rather something humans created... it has been quite a while and I cannot recall all those details, so I might be wrong.
No, you've got it right.
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Kaoru Chujo
2008-01-04, 08:47
I think in Banners of Stars those humanoids are not aliens, but rather something humans created... it has been quite a while and I cannot recall all those details, so I might be wrong.Quite right. It really has been a while, lol. But my general point still stands: they are both human and something else. The Arume are human, too, I suppose, if they really are from the Earth of another timeline.
ah, thats sad to hear. but i really do want to know whats happens next to the characters, especially Mari and the time gap between Hagino's death and the starting of the peace negotiations.
Yes, I'd have to say that's what I see as the main flaw of the series (for me, at least). I'm not obsessive about having nice, tidy endings where every loose string is tied up. Sometimes it is nice to leave an ending up to the viewers imagination.
This time, however, after all that happened to Mari and Hagino, and the way they finaly got togther, to just leave Mari standing on the dock staring as Hagino dies saving her, without showing us any reaction or follow-up, just made the ending seem flat and unfulfilling to me.
For me, with a different ending this series could have been great, but the ending pulls it down to just average. :(
changeup
2008-01-04, 19:13
Quite right. It really has been a while, lol. But my general point still stands: they are both human and something else. The Arume are human, too, I suppose, if they really are from the Earth of another timeline.
This kind of setting actually significantly relieve the hard SF part of me, also the biologist part of me, lol...
...
This time, however, after all that happened to Mari and Hagino, and the way they finaly got togther, to just leave Mari standing on the dock staring as Hagino dies saving her, without showing us any reaction or follow-up, just made the ending seem flat and unfulfilling to me.
For me, with a different ending this series could have been great, but the ending pulls it down to just average. :(
My theory is that this is for the sale of DVD or possible OVAs in the future. Is Hagino REALLY dead? I guess many have such a doubt after seeing the ending.
I really like that ending.
The last words of Hagino and Mari said are the exact same phrases on Michiko's play, and it reminds me the subtitle of this anime, "Tenshitachi no Gikyoku" (means angels' play), because the ending is in shape of a play. This is a nice twist, but also the phrases express their feeling amazingly. At the dock, Mari picked the phrase in the play to convey to Hagino how she is important person to her. Likewise, Hagino gave her whole feeling of at her dyeing moment to the phrase in the play. In Michiko's play, the phrase is probably the ending-narration in the point of view of the high school girl (whom Mari acts). The phrase means something like Jehanne stays in the girl's heart, then after the line Hagino added her folime-name "Senkouji Hagino", and made "Jehanne" as "Senkouji Hagino" grammatically. I think it implies that Hagino is fulfilled even in front of her death because she is sure "Hagino" takes a place in Mari's heart, which was revealed the fact that Mari picked the girl's phrase which is connecting to the narration Hagino read.
Revenge
Ended episode 10 a few minutes ago.
I nearly broke in tears silently in this one upon watching Mari reacting to the truth, that Azanael told her with such malice and hatred.
It sent Mari tumbling down the abyss.
Now I understand Hagino's hesitation and treating Mari for a ride inside the BLUE.
Hagino finally realized that what bloomed within her for Mari was love, and thus she needed to tell her the truth about Kamioka island since she wouldn't bear any longer to keep it a secret from Mari and was readying herself mentally for the reaction that Mari would had taken, had Hagino would had been the first to reveal the truth.
Hagino invited Mari to the BLUE so she could make another beautiful memory with her and share one more moment of happiness. She wanted to soften the blow as much as possible once disclosing everything to Mari.
Unfortunately, Azanael snapped (though silently) and made her preparations to take revenge upon Ekaril (Hagino). She infected the BLUE with a virus, launched by her fighter ship.
Once the system shut down she kindly requested to take Mari into Onomil's former room, and once Mari accidentally activated the holograph recorder of Onomil with Azanael then the inevitable came ruthlessly.
I think that Mari wouldn't have collapsed had it been Hagino the one to tell the truth. It was Azanael's tone and behavior on how she disclosed the truth to Mari, that made Hagino looked like a frivolous and selfish murderer to the broken Mari.
For Azanael this was a much better vengeance rather than killing Ekaril on cold-blood whenever she could had seen an opening.
It was a tooth for a tooth for an eye to an eye, her neglecting and blindly believing that Ekaril let Onomil die in the reactor for the sake of saving Mari.
I have no doubts whatsover that Ekaril (Hagino) truly and sincerely cares for every member of her crew and puts their sake first over her own life. It wouldn't be surprising then that Onomil chose to sacrifice herself in order to save her comrades and the BLUE, therefore, sealing shut the doors so as nobody else would had entered.
Unfortunately, that thought never crossed Azanael's mind and with all malice severed a bond that was already sprouting between Hagino and Mari.
What will happen now? How will Hagino bring Mari back? How will trust and care sprout again between them?
The eleventh episode should signal the start of the final arc for the storyline.
Memories of That Day
I feel lonely on reviewing this beautiful story, because the show ended about two weeks ago and virtually all discussion stopped at the thread.
Nevertheless, I feel that I must contribute my thoughts for the episodes.
Episode 11 developed tense and made the settings for the conflict which will be starting on the next one.
In short, Hagino (using her astral projection) finally gave herself the chance to speak to Mari alone on what happened the day of the latter's parents death.
It was heartbreaking, I know. However, I feel that Mari so struck with an inner conflict within herself. Like if she was trying to sort out her feelings of hatred and care for Hagino.
At least if Mari would want to speak to Hagino, since their conversation got postpone by the arrival of the unknown fighters, it is an indicator that both might be able to sort their personal crisis amongst themselves.
The second issue lies that Shivariel is taking advantage upon the wreck that Azanael has done to the Blue and plans an all-out offensive.
I have reasons to think, according on what Azanael discovered at the end of the episode, that the Blue's destruction is all but war tactics pre-planned to grant Shivariel a valid reason to commence the invasion earlier than the Arume originally programmed.
Or more than that. Actually, maybe if the accident of five years ago could had been planned? If in reality there were conducting tests with the Emil Drive Force, and the BLUE was fitted as the best sample to try the weapon but no one from the platoon or the captains were informed save for those of the high command.
Sounds crazy, but Shivariel has been acting fairly devious throughout the storyline, so then it would not become surprising if it is revealed that she had a hand with that accident
A shrewd and unscrupulous tactician she is.
Well, you ARE a little late to the party ;) ... but please continue to share your thoughts, it's feeling kinda nostalgic already. And before the last episode, make a prediction how it's going to end, okay?
Kazu-kun
2008-01-10, 13:54
Quite expected to be the sequel of blue drop
It was the prequel actually!
Sinestra
2008-01-10, 16:14
So after spending a couple days reading the manga (im still not done) I am happy that the story is so good yet so depressed over what has happened to humanity. The anime really sparked my interest in the manga and it was well worth it. But i find myself wishing even though its almost a thousands in the future that humanity would rise up aganist the Arume. I dont want to see them destroyed because both species are so intermixed now it would be impossible. All i ask is that they not breed humanity into extiction and that is what they are done weather it be intentional or not they still altered humanites eveloution. Finding a way to coexist would be great one could argue that they do that now. But to me its still one race dominating another one and males are treated badly females are impreganeted like wildfires.
I have no idea what the final end of the manga will be but it will be interesting to see how its wrapped up.
Kazu-kun
2008-01-10, 16:31
So after spending a couple days reading the manga (im still not done) I am happy that the story is so good yet so depressed over what has happened to humanity. The anime really sparked my interest in the manga and it was well worth it. But i find myself wishing even though its almost a thousands in the future that humanity would rise up aganist the Arume. I dont want to see them destroyed because both species are so intermixed now it would be impossible. All i ask is that they not breed humanity into extiction and that is what they are done weather it be intentional or not they still altered humanites eveloution. Finding a way to coexist would be great one could argue that they do that now. But to me its still one race dominating another one and males are treated badly females are impreganeted like wildfires.
I have no idea what the final end of the manga will be but it will be interesting to see how its wrapped up.
Are you talking about the original manga or the Tenshi no Bokura one?
Sinestra
2008-01-10, 16:36
Are you talking about the original manga or the Tenshi no Bokura one?
Actually both I kind of skipped around with my post my thoughts are random at times. Your posts are amoung a few others is what made me start the manga.
AnimeJock
2008-01-10, 20:24
I too am rather late posting something about the last episode. Truth be told, I accidentally found out what happened a few weeks ago and my fear pretty much came true. So like a sap, I avoided watching it because I knew I would get depressed and I did.
First off, I will say that I found the series wonderful, I really did. I have read a lot of comments about it being a yuri anime to be honest, that's the reason I started watching it. As the series progressed I clued in that it was an overstatement but by then I could give two shits because I had fallen for the anime. I believe it to be yuri in a sense, but in a very non-sexual way. I believe that Hagino and Mari cared very deeply for each other and that moved me more than any sex scene or groping scene could ever do for me.
First of all the characters really did it for me. It was the first anime in what feels like a long time where I didn't want to hold my hands over my ears for the first couple of episodes because the main characters were shallow and self-loathing. Right away I enjoyed that Mari had a backbone, she was confident and spoke her mind, it was incredibly refreshing. I was initially surprised to find The Commander to be the emotional-sensitive one and that continued to hold my interest. The side characters were there for moral support in a fun way and they were interesting individually but were endearing while they were together. I will say that it wasn't a series that was incredibly character driven in a character development sense. I'm a die hard Maria-sama ga Miteru fan, for those of you that have seen it, you get my drift.
I thought for 13 episodes, they did manage to get in a lot of story. Sure I would have loved it to be longer and would have loved to see more of Hagino and Mari's relationship develop more. That's where I feel like the series fell short, a least a little bit.
I do not think I would have been satisfied with any ending because I honestly didn't want it to end. I think in many ways we can interpret our own ending. I choose the glass is half-full approach. Although we see Hagino sacrifice herself I think there are too many factors to consider her actually living and possibly seeing Mari. I really hope that the create a sequal involving the two of them and I think that's why they ended it the way they did. Hell, anime is a business and they'll capitalize on any fan base they can (I won't start my HiME/Otome rant). They are notorious for leaving us with questions and I really didn't want them to do that with this ending, but they did. There are too many questions and too many answers.
The moment Hagino said good bye to Mari I started to tear up. Every other time she's left she's led us to believe she was going to return and she didn't this time. Mari chasing after Hagino tugged at my heart as well. I was ready to yell at my computer to be frank. I also expected them to incorporate the play into the surrounding war but I had hope they would finish the play. I know I'm ranting and part of me understands the ending and I'm trying to accept it, but I'm having a difficult time. This is the major dork in me. I could say more but again, I'm rambling.
NominalBeast
2008-01-10, 20:26
There's no connection of the characters here to the ones in the original manga, is there (not Tenchi no Bokura)? We weren't really given a solid backstory on Yui, after all. There's got to be a meaning to why they made ToG (except making us go BAWWW, expanding the franchise).
FatPianoBoy
2008-01-10, 23:13
There's no connection of the characters here to the ones in the original manga, is there (not Tenchi no Bokura)? We weren't really given a solid backstory on Yui, after all. There's got to be a meaning to why they made ToG (except making us go BAWWW, expanding the franchise).
Since most of the manga material has an overtone of gloom and doom regarding the tense relationship between humans and Arume, it was good to see that they can coexist benevolently and peacefully, unlike in Bokura where the Arume are portrayed as jeopardizing the future of the entire male gender and in the Yui chapters where they're child killers.
Tsubael especially propelled this theme with her shift in view towards the lowly Horime; going from basically calling Mari a lower-lifeform to understanding why Commandah is so drawn to them and finally seeming to grow a bit fond of them herself.
Azanael showed that, just like humans, they can be misguided even with the best of intentions (they set out to save their race and ultimately ended up FUBAR'ing a whole society while not even remotely solving their problem), but also showed how they can do noble things when they're corrected. This also showed humility, which is certainly not something I'd normally attribute to Arume.
Ekaril... well, if I need to explain how she portrayed Arume-human relations in hopeful light, you really need to go rewatch the show :heh:
NominalBeast
2008-01-11, 06:54
Since most of the manga material has an overtone of gloom and doom regarding the tense relationship between humans and Arume, it was good to see that they can coexist benevolently and peacefully, unlike in Bokura where the Arume are portrayed as jeopardizing the future of the entire male gender and in the Yui chapters where they're child killers.
Tsubael especially propelled this theme with her shift in view towards the lowly Horime; going from basically calling Mari a lower-lifeform to understanding why Commandah is so drawn to them and finally seeming to grow a bit fond of them herself.
Azanael showed that, just like humans, they can be misguided even with the best of intentions (they set out to save their race and ultimately ended up FUBAR'ing a whole society while not even remotely solving their problem), but also showed how they can do noble things when they're corrected. This also showed humility, which is certainly not something I'd normally attribute to Arume.
Ekaril... well, if I need to explain how she portrayed Arume-human relations in hopeful light, you really need to go rewatch the show :heh:Alrighty. I guess there's no hope for Yui to be a child/descendant of Tsubael and some human, after all.
It still didn't save the Arume from invading, it seems. I guess they are different as individuals as people are. Still don't get the old Kazuki part where she's going off to space to a meeting (possibly with the Arume?), though.
Wonder what they'll do next. The end of the lady-loving aliens franchise would be too sad.
FatPianoBoy
2008-01-11, 07:05
Alrighty. I guess there's no hope for Yui to be a child/descendant of Tsubael and some human, after all.
I don't see why not. It's far-fetched and baseless speculation at best, but I guess there's no reason it's not possible. In any case, I wouldn't suggest running too far with it.
It still didn't save the Arume from invading, it seems. I guess they are different as individuals as people are. Still don't get the old Kazuki part where she's going off to space to a meeting (possibly with the Arume?), though.
Wonder what they'll do next. The end of the lady-loving aliens franchise would be too sad.
Kouzuki was an ambassador plenipotentiary, which basically means she's there to discuss and agree on terms of surrender (on behalf of the whole world, going by the timeline) with the Arume.
Yes, it would be sad for it to just end when there's so much left to explore. Long live the lady-loving aliens!
A Wonderful Reconciling
I have the intuition that the day of the school festival would coincidence with the start of the invasion, since for the last two episodes both plots have been addressed separately.
And, thus far Hagino confirmed it quite more or less that they haven't much time left as she and Tsubael watched outdoors the preparations for the festival.
In summary, we now have all the mystery disclosed on what happened five years ago at Kamioka Island.
The BLUE was used as a target sample to test the effects of the thought-materializing weapon.
Without notification and authorization of the Arume Shivariel deliberately provoked the overload that caused the incident and didn't mind at all if both her kind and the island residents were affected.
Just like Azanael experienced I assume the 5th platoon arume and the Kamioka residents lost their minds to the hallucinations manifested real once exposed to the effects of the Emil Force. The result ended with both parties killing each other and amongst themselves.
Shivariel wanted to witness to what extent their developing weapon could reach.
It much gives explanation to her line that once the invasion starts the 'horime' forces will be wiped out in a blink of an eye. She intends to use the Emil Force to achieve an instantaneous victory and strike fear on the hearts of the Earthlings, so as to crush any immediate opposition.
What would become of Azanael?
I don't see it unfathomable for her to return to the BLUE. Indeed, she did wrong to both Hagino and Mari because at that time she wasn't awared of the complete truth; the tragedy was the outcome of Shivariels' machinations all along.
I believe that Azanael might lend a hand to Hagino (Ekaril) and contribute everything that she dug up about the weapon that Shivariel intends to use.
She has no one else to rely to or ask for help save for the crew of the BLUE.
As for Mari and Hagino...
Yes, their relationship evolved with such depth that it wouldn't collapsed that easily.
Mari was willing hear the truth from Hagino but was upset that the latter did not tell her properly about it.
Mari at the end chose to believe Hagino and listen to her. Although Mari is still hurt and distressed by both her parents and her birthplace's demise, with Hagino found a precious to fill the void.
They finally reconcile with themselves and tied the knot of their budding relationship.
Well, you ARE a little late to the party ;) ... but please continue to share your thoughts, it's feeling kinda nostalgic already. And before the last episode, make a prediction how it's going to end, okay?
I have a bad feeling if what both Hagino spoke to Yuuko sensei and the next episode's preview disclosed becomes true.
Mari and Hagino overcame difficult hardships to finally admit and express between themselves that they love each other.
With the threat of the invasion looming around the corner I have no doubts whatsoever that Hagino will stand up and lead the BLUE for a climax confrontation against the fleet.
She cares deeply for Mari and for all the people she has befriended on Earth. Like Tsubael remarked, Mari (in particular) and the people of Kaiou Academy changed her, and not only was Hagino who changed but Tsubael as well, realizing that those horime, whom she always thought weak and insignificant, struggle to live in order to enjoy the simplest moments in life and to create happy memories.
A Drop in the Sea
Finally, minna!
At last I watched the final episode to Blue Drop. The story developed beautifully and concluded for now with a fitting climax.
Several of my predictions turned true.
Azanael joined the BLUE's fighting side for the sake of taking revenge against Shivariel for Onomil's death and apologized for her actions.
In fact, I was expecting her to die when her fighter got paralyzed while the Novaal readied the Genocide mode, but she somewhat survived when the Blue materialized from space warp and rammed head on the Novaal.
And just as I feared, Hagino made her sacrifice to protect the little planet where her twin soul, Mari, lives in.
But, still I have my doubts if she really died or not. Anime can be tricky when portraying at full out the ending sequence for a protagonist or major character.
Light engulfed both the Novaal and the BLUE as the series of explosions started, but they cut to one last shot for Shivariel and Hagino separately, and in their last moments on camera they were never shown getting engulfed at the light of the explosion.
I want to believe that Hagino somehow managed to pull through and escape, but she resolved her decision.
There were many signs along the way hinting that her death flag was been raised, for example, how in the last episode the camera focus on she and Mari holding hands and, finally, when Hagino starts to recite the last lines of her character, Jeanne, from Michiko's play.
Simply, her departure was beautiful but devastating for me (the spectator), because I feel distressed that Mari and Hagino won't ever have another chance to see each other again.
Hagino sweetly bid her last farewell to Mari, and the latter came to the site of the battlefield to tell her she is never alone or the need to feel it.
The final episode lastly showed how ugly wars started.
Everyone at Kaiou were peacefully expecting the day of the festival not suspecting the looming and present danger.
Communications cut or jammed mean one thing, that is invasion.
How bitter and desolated all the students felt after so much hard work and effort invested to get the play done, when unexpectedly the Arume started the invasion, and thus war erupted bringing to an end their peaceful lives and their festival.
For the last sequence.
That was the same sequence introduced at the beginning of the first episode.
Back at episode one I thought the woman in the ship was Mari's mother, that was my initial thought.
It was until the woman brought with her the original script of the play, that I quickly found out that it was Michiko.
According to Omni's blog, that epilogue sequence to the anime happened 30 years later after Mari and the students witnessed the dissapearance of the BLUE.
When the camera shot to the Earth in space, as seen from the adult Michiko's perspective, I felt a void but was washed away when the ending song started playing.
I feel empty due to the fact that I wanted to see what became of Mari, or at least to watch any other scenario with her and Hagino together.
I guess the ending sequence should suffice.
There are few things left for me to say about BLUE Drop, but for now I will do something that the anime encouraged me to yearn for and that is to read the mangas.
I'll save my last thoughts for the overall story later.
Due to various obligations in the uni I couldnt keep up with the schedule but today I finally watched the series to the end, 4 episodes in a row.
Leaving the drama aside i noticed some terminator here with an addition of Gastello.
And the aliens are really japanese. Who else could think of a suicide/kamikaze squad. The same goes for cute girls in the army, who work for psychological attacks.. Also I see that the authors created the all purpose battle ship that the japanese longed for. At least in the anime the dream has come true. You know there was once a project to make a submarine aircraft carrier. I did create such ships by the end of ww ii only they didnt help. Actually i think it's good that military is banned in japan. Their over the top creativity could lead to a disaster.
Kazu-kun
2008-01-13, 15:45
Due to various obligations in the uni I couldnt keep up with the schedule but today I finally watched the series to the end, 4 episodes in a row.
Leaving the drama aside i noticed some terminator here with an addition of Gastello.
And the aliens are really japanese. Who else could think of a suicide/kamikaze squad. The same goes for cute girls in the army, who work for psychological attacks..
It has nothing to do with psychological attack. Their entiry race consists solely of women, and they look younger than they really are because of the nanomachines. Still I agree with you that the suicide squad is a very Japanese thing (historically-wise).
Kazu-kun
So what I meant was that they create a strong demoralizing effect, but it's my opinion and i dont think the authors tried to convey this exact idea.
I don't know if anyone's noticed but there's going to be two Drama CD's for Blue Drop out in April and May, I'm kinda hoping that one of them might mention something about what happened to Mari, but I think it's going to be a side story on Onomil and Azanael and the other maybe about Hagino defecting.
Just felt like mentioning it :heh:
I don't know if anyone's noticed but there's going to be two Drama CD's for Blue Drop out in April and May, I'm kinda hoping that one of them might mention something about what happened to Mari, but I think it's going to be a side story on Onomil and Azanael and the other maybe about Hagino defecting.
Just felt like mentioning it :heh:
Interesting! Where have you found it???
Shikimori Kazuki
2008-01-23, 18:30
I want to ask this for awhile, even after finish the show it didnt answer what I have in mind.
Why did Hagino had that impulse to kill Mari when they met and touch each other in the dormitory room? It looked like Hagino gone berserk and tries to kill Mari. I still can't figure that out, perhaps someone can help me here?
Interesting! Where have you found it???
On the offical website, the two side stories are called Lovers and Traitor
Shikimori
No one really knows for sure, there was theories going around on why she did that, but there was never a definate answer on why, given. It was something probably to do with Mari's telepahy though, maybe to do with her buried memories on everyone trying to kill each other.
Kazu-kun
2008-01-23, 20:15
I don't know if anyone's noticed but there's going to be two Drama CD's for Blue Drop out in April and May, I'm kinda hoping that one of them might mention something about what happened to Mari, but I think it's going to be a side story on Onomil and Azanael and the other maybe about Hagino defecting.
Just felt like mentioning it :heh:
Sorry to say this but these Drama CDs are both about the original manga, not about the anime.
The first one (Lovers SIDE) comprises chapters 1 and 3: "Kaminoko" and "Kaijin". The second one (Traitor SIDE) is about YUI (chapter 2, 4, and 5): "Kowareta Tenshi", "Tenshi no Yakusoku", and "Tenshi no Sentaku".
I'm really looking forward to these CDs BTW, specially because YUI is played by Kaori Nazuka.
I'm generally not interested in Drama CDs, but these might have some good material. Do these ever get translated?
FatPianoBoy
2008-01-23, 22:36
I'm generally not interested in Drama CDs, but these might have some good material. Do these ever get translated?
As far as I can tell, the drama CD's are a retelling of the manga chapters with some small extra facts thrown in.
Drama CD's are occasionally translated, albeit rarely.
Kaoru Chujo
2008-02-06, 15:36
The VA for Mari, Yajima Akiko, totally captivated me in this show. So I have made her my avatar for the season, and have made a blog post about her (http://hashihime.blogspot.com/2008/02/yajima-akiko-150-seiyuu-roles.html) on my blog.
She is a veteran seiyuu of 40 who for 15 years has been the voice of Shinnosuke in the perennial top-five "family" anime Crayon Shin-chan. She was also Kuu in Haibane Renmei, Relena Darlian in Gundam Wing, and was absolutely outstanding as Ayumi, the rival actress in Glass Mask.
She is also doing a good job as the mysterious 11-year-old girl in Ghost Hound, Miyako, who lives at a shrine and is a spirit medium.
Kaoru Chujo
2008-02-07, 17:30
Now I've done a blog post about Sawashiro Miyuki (http://hashihime.blogspot.com/2008/02/sawashiro-miyuki-on-stage.html), who plays Hagino. She has joined a stage comedy troupe, Theatre Gekidango.
Interesting to note that Yajima Akiko (Mari) is almost twice the age of Sawashiro Miyuki (Hagino): 40 to 22.
Since becoming a seiyuu at age 13, as Petit Charat in Di Gi Charat, Miyokichi has had over 75 roles in TV anime, as well as many roles in OVAs and movies, and has put out a large number of CDs. She is known as one of the best actresses among younger seiyuu. We saw that in Blue Drop.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7213/sawashiromiyuki2aof6.jpg
For who might be interested, Blue Drop DVD 2 has also english subtitles!!
For who might be interested, Blue Drop DVD 2 has also english subtitles!!
I've seen subs on the recap of the previous episodes...which I did find kinda strange that they'd bothered to subtitle that... but not on the episodes themselves, so am I not pressing the right button or something :heh: ?
And I had no idea Mari's VA did Relena from GW, although it's been years since I last saw that.
I've seen subs on the recap of the previous episodes...which I did find kinda strange that they'd bothered to subtitle that... but not on the episodes themselves, so am I not pressing the right button or something :heh: ?
And I had no idea Mari's VA did Relena from GW, although it's been years since I last saw that.
Yes I am refering to the recaps of the previous episodes.....it's better than nothing :heh:
FatPianoBoy
2008-02-10, 19:15
They only subtitled the next episode previews? Seriously??
Why bother? XD
Maybe to test the market? If there are some English subtitles, fans are more likely to buy them.
Doesn't make sense, does it? That is exactly what they do, something that doesn't make sense.
They only subtitled the next episode previews? Seriously??
Why bother? XD
Mmm these are not exactly previews...but abstracts.....as they were made for foreigners fans that don't know japanese. They are longer than a preview but a little shorter than the actual episode. I hope I have made my self clear to you.
I don't have my dvd now but, if you're interested, I will verify how these abstracts are long.
FatPianoBoy
2008-02-11, 02:37
Now that's... interesting. They made special clips for English-speakers and subtitled them? It might have just been easier to sub the episodes...
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