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Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 10:35
Wow, no posts yet?
Stole the first one :p
OK, so in this episode it seems we'll get to see the 'bad guys' past. Is there anyone else who says the redhaired girl we saw in the preview is Agito?
LoweGear
2007-06-24, 10:38
Not quite a question of if she's Agito... more like a question what the heck is being done to her anyways :twitch: Also, Zest and Lutecia appearing at what I assume is the airport fire, which links them to that scene.
*Waves flags* go go Vivio! I am seriously hoping for some good Nanoha/Vivio interaction in this episode.
*Waves flags* go go Vivio! I am seriously hoping for some good Nanoha/Vivio interaction in this episode.
Vivio & Nanoha better bond this episode, I can't wait another week. :D
Darco_emp
2007-06-24, 10:48
I wonder if the flashback scenes this ep will be as heart wrenching as Fate's in season one. Hopefully more background story gets revealed in the ep.... more cuteness of Vivio is indeed welcome too....
Supposedly a bit more than 5 mins to airing...
Hopefully it's not too crampled with speeches, so that I can remember enough to write a summery :heh:
O.o confused ...been out of loop for 1 whole week here.What is this week episode about?I haven't actually watch 12 yet :heh:
Considering I've never seen 10-12, I've even less to say about 13. :heh:
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 11:34
Vivio & Nanoha better bond this episode, I can't wait another week. :D
why do i get the image of fate chan crushing a concrete pillar with her fingers behind a wall while spying on the bonding session 4koma style? :p
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 11:43
Yeah its easy to see a jealous Fate doing that behind closed doors. Though if Nanoha ever saw her being anything but kind to Vivio there would be a disapointed look.
Should be a good episode since we'll find out what's going on in terms of Agito etc.
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 11:43
How much longer to airing? gah wanna see and read synopsis on this ep so bad for revelations on Lutecia (really wanna know about her past and why number 11 is so important to her)
Vivio moments will be nice to :heh:
Ottocycle
2007-06-24, 11:43
why do i get the image of fate chan crushing a concrete pillar with her fingers behind a wall while spying on the bonding session 4koma style? :p
Rest assured, the kid is harmless XD.
To the episode itself, I sure hope they keep their staple action scenes in.
We all know how well they did it in the 2-ep flashback of the Wolkenritter.
Lunariska
2007-06-24, 11:47
i'm wondering when the subs for episode 10+ will come out
i'm curious since it's already been ( almost ) 3 weeks since the last sub ( episode 9 ) was out..
why do i get the image of fate chan crushing a concrete pillar with her fingers behind a wall while spying on the bonding session 4koma style? :p
Because that's what's most likely going to happen. :p Either that, or the 'Aura of Jealousy'.
Gearhead
2007-06-24, 11:56
i'm wondering when the subs for episode 10+ will come out
i'm curious since it's already been ( almost ) 3 weeks since the last sub ( episode 9 ) was out..
It's an amazing coincidence that both groups who do subs on the series seem to have had translators go on vacations at the same time, isn't it?
It's an amazing coincidence that both groups who do subs on the series seem to have had translators go on vacations at the same time, isn't it?
*squint eyed* Ayashii-desu~
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 12:02
why do i get the image of fate chan crushing a concrete pillar with her fingers behind a wall while spying on the bonding session 4koma style? :p
I'd die out of laughter if that happened :D
Yeah, Vivio and Nanoha bonding scenes are quite welcome :D. Personally, I think the 'mommy' aura fits Nanoha :heh:
krisslanza
2007-06-24, 12:03
Most of the translation groups seem to be dropping StrikerS because they can't be asked apparently to wait past the training episodes and due to lack of patience, dub the whole series as 'awful and not worth our time'. At least that's what Triad did anyway.
MOVING ALONG.
Geez episode 13 will be on soon, and I still don't know what's really been going on in episodes 10, 11, and 12... xD
I'd die out of laughter if that happened :D
Yeah, Vivio and Nanoha bonding scenes are quite welcome :D. Personally, I think the 'mommy' aura fits Nanoha :heh:
Isn't mommy aura kinda fit Fate better?(she already has em)..Nanoha is more of onee-san type.Just my opinion :)
Most of the translation groups seem to be dropping StrikerS because they can't be asked apparently to wait past the training episodes and due to lack of patience, dub the whole series as 'awful and not worth our time'. At least that's what Triad did anyway.
At least Triad said em clearly....I think it is just because of the vacation season ^^ for the other 2
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 12:09
Isn't mommy aura kinda fit Fate better?(she already has em)..Nanoha is more of onee-san type.Just my opinion :)
Yes, yes. It does fit Fate as well, but I'd like to see Nanoha taking care of a kid. Maybe that would lessen the impact of 'The White Devil' :heh: :heh:
At least Triad said em clearly....I think it is just because the vacation ^^ for the other 2
More like they started insulting Nanoha and treated it like garbage. Hopefully, for Nanoha & DGz and Yesy, it'll simply be vacation.
Yes, yes. It does fit Fate as well, but I'd like to see Nanoha taking care of a kid. Maybe that would lessen the impact of 'The White Devil' :heh: :heh:
:heh: or she would groom her to be as vicious
More like they started insulting Nanoha and treated it like garbage. Hopefully, for Nanoha & DGz and Yesy, it'll simply be vacation.
Yeah they are pretty rough on that but at least they came clear about it ...unlike some other group(other series) in the past that drag it indefinitely without saying anything.
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 12:21
:heh: or she would groom her to be as vicious
The succesor of 'The White Devil', 'Little Devil' enters the fray :heh: :heh:
Yeah they are pretty rough on that but at least they came clear about it ...unlike some other group(other series) in the past that drag it indefinitely without saying anything.
I'll give you that much *shrug* Well, hopefully, the other subbers won't drop StrikerS ><.
It's an amazing coincidence that both groups who do subs on the series seem to have had translators go on vacations at the same time, isn't it?
Neither translator is on vacation. There's other reasons. yesy's 10 at least will be out really soon.
Neither group has dropped the show either. DGz/Nanoha's 8 is in timing.
As for episode 13:
I'll let someone who can understand it better do the summary. Vivio leaves the hospital (Nanoha finds her just outside) and Schach scares her :P I feel mean for laughing but it was comical >_> Fate does the mothering thing so well, but Vivio seems to like Nanoha more. There's a ominous-sounding meeting between Hayate/Carim/Chrono/Nanoha/Fate, as well as more Lt. General investigating RF6. The end has Hayate having a flashback to the old days, including the part where they had to send Reinforce away; she also talks about Graham and has a picture of him in her scrapbook.
Another revealation & explaination episode, so naturally it racks action... but who minds about that.
- Episode starts with Agito's flashback of her past in some research lab, which she describes as endless pain even without hope of peaceful death.
She appears to be not, however, created in there, that she can't remember by detail now but she says she had more past. (or so I think I heard)
- Zest and Lulu raids the lab, or at least they were in there engulfed in flame, and find Agito and free her.
Zest insisted to leave her just outside of wreaked lab, so that TSAB will eventually find her and she'll hopefully get better treatment than she were, as a Genuine Ancient Velka Unison Device, not a replica.
Lulu objects, that she'll be a marmot anyway, so they'd rather take her with them.
- Agito wakes up in some lake-side accompanied with Zest and Lulu, in anger of horrible nightmare.
She then recalls their encounter with RF6, especially against Rein, and that (she mistakenly thought that) she has the meister of certain hammer knight while Agito herself is meister-less.
She thinks that Rein most likely have no idea how sorrowful it is to be a Unison Device without master, and swears revenge.
- Scene pans to Fate-car driven by Signum, with Nanoha as passenger, on their way to the Church's hospital.
However, Schach sends them an urgent call, that the blonde-loli went missing.
- Fate-car arrives and Schach greets them, that every way out are blocked that she shouldn't have went out of area and asks them to help her search loli.
(btw, Schach is rather upset in these scene... cute, I'd say ;))
- Signum and Schach chat as they search a corridor, that although the loli's magic power is relatively large, but still not out of threshold of natural-born child.
However, data from examination clearly tells that she is an artifical being... so magic power alone can not measure her.
- Nanoha finds her in courtyard, and comes face to face with her.
Schach finds them just in time and set-up her device (yes, it's a pair of Tanfa!) and jumps in between them, trying to "defend" Nanoha.
Obviously scared by her, the loli starts crying... Schach is a hasty person :heh:
Nanoha pushes Schach aside and greets the loli, and now we officially know her name; Vivio.
- Hayate and Fate discussing in CO. room about the rumor of upcoming inspection.
Fate insists Hayate to tell them the true reason of RF6's establishment, for it'll be crucial in inspection as well.
Hayate tells back that they'll be visiting Church from now on, so she'll do it there.
- 2 Aces then try to contact Nanoha, only to find that Vivio crying and going clingy on Nanoha that she didn't leave Nanoha's side till RF6 base, with Steaks trying to stop her crying without any success.
Fate shows her professional-mamma skill and subsequently let her go of Nanoha... she is one hell of Momma!
Erio and Caro explains that Fate has experience from Chrono's chillren as well as Arf, then Teana teases them that Erio&Caro, too, are the "experience".
(Nanoha going "help me- :heh:" = GOLD)
- Aces leave the base to head to Church, and Vivio left with Erio and Caro are looking after her.
- Subaru and Teana are going through desk-job, writing report of previous battle.
As Erio and Caro are unavailable at the moment thanks to baby-sitting, they volunteered to write theirs too.
Apparently Teana prefers desk-job rather than baby sitting, which Subaru replies that she actually enjoyed it.
- Subaru moves on to write the part regarding Numbers, and she's astonished that after all the stuff Numbers did, they were not using magic - but other different power source.
She also thinks further about that matter, that as they have such "energy" inside them, they're most likely...
But Teana interupts her with her state-of-are finger, and reminds Subaru that it's up to Leaders and Long-Arch to decide how to deal with them, and they're merely writing report to help them make decision.
Subaru thanks Teana, which makes her blushes in good tsundere way.
- Aces arrives at the Church and meets Carim and Chrono... it's revealed that it's the first time Carim meets N&F.
At first, both N&F kept all the polite manner, greeting to Chrono in "Admiral Chrono" with respecting way of talking, but as Carim tells them that the all are friends so relax, they both goes their usual tone.
Fate calls him "Oniichan", which made him obviously embarrassed... Hey, who did let Chaos write the script for Anime Ep? :heh:
- Vivio finally goes to bed, so finally Erio and Caro can take a break... Caro really thinks she's an ordinary child, but Erio thinks otherwise.
He thinks that, if she's an artifical mage, it's unnatural that she already has language literacy and advanced knowledge... as even artifical mage born in "natural" way, it wouldn't make something like her.
He concludes that she has her own "memories" of the original person she's copied from... and that "Project F" is not yet died.
- Back to Carim's room, Chrono reminds viewers about who's backing up RF6; Chrono, Carim, and Lindy.
However, it's also revealed that 3 Legendary Admirals also supported the establishment, and unofficially promissed them that they'll give RF6 assistance if necessary.
- Now they're moving to the true reason...
First, Carim explains her own ability... of making Prophecy of closer future (from half a year, to several years maximum) and scribble it in a form of poem.
It's not too convenient, however, for she can make prophecies only one day per a year due to the placement of moons, and as these poems are written in Ancient Velka language so that they can be interpleted in many way, and prophecy only writes down the random upcoming events, so she may not be able to get the one she wants the most.
Due to the all these nature of prophecy, it's only marginally trustable than your neighberhood fortune-teller, so although all the TSAB's higher-ups reads through it, it's mostly ragarded as one of many expectation coming from analyst.
Unsuprisingly, Ground Army doesn't like this prophecy thing... because top of Ground Army is Regius himself. :rolleyes:
- Since several years back, one ominous events started appearing on her prophecy... that can be interpleted that,
"An incident start with presence of Lost Logia, which leads to the destruction of TSAB Ground Center, and eventually result in breakup of entire TSAB systems."
(Please pardon me for not translating the poem Carim is reading... it's 4 a.m!! :heh:)
- Scene moves to Regius's office where Auris, his secretary, re-confirms that the inspection is scheduled in next week.
Regius says that whatever RF6 are plotting, it has always been the Ground, not Navy, that protected the world with their blood, and he swears that he won't let neither Navy nor Church do plans as they want.
He also reminds her that they've got higher-ups on their side, so don't worry and just find whatever scandal they have to blame.
Auris then tells him her reports from pre-inspection, which concludes that RF6 is well-made to be a scandal-proof, consisting mostly of newer personnel and only exists as an experimental unit for a limited time only.
Regius then regards them as "disposable" unit, well worth for criminal like Hayate.
Auris, however, seemed to show some sympathy to Hayate in that scene... that she thinks Hayate might even have asked for that "disposable" possition.
- Back to RF6 base, Aces splits back to their room... but Hayate stops N&F for some words.
Hayate reminds them that although they've yet to see how RF6 will result in, they're savior of her life no matter what.
N&F says don't mind it, that they're helped by Yagami family quite a lot too, and that's what friends are about.
Finally N&F tells her that she's doing nothing wrong, so give out order without worry, which Hayate takes and thank them.
- After the scene with N&F, Erio, Caro and Vivio, camera moves to Hayate's office in dark.
Hayate pulls out a photo album and starts her recollection of past...
Graham, Nanoha, Fate, Reinforce I, Wolkenlitter... she thanks everyone for her being alive in present.
Then she expresses her determination that she does not want anyone in this world to suffer the sadness like she had when Rein I went away... and that She'll use her own life for that goal.Now... what the... another Supa Paranoia Taimu, this time they're hinting Hayate's death.
Both nico comments and 2ch are already flaming for her I'm-going-to-die-in-show kind of determination... :uhoh:
Well, yes, we'll see, we'll see...Titled "Mothers & Children", next EP again features training season...
Hopefully there're more than that, but guessing that all the fun would be brought into Ep14.5 a.k.a SS02, I'm not hoping high.
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 12:36
part 1 ~
straight off the bat we see Agito getting tortured while we hear her narrate "the meaning of life" for herself...she is injected with some chemical which caused her to growl in pain...in the next scene we see zest and lutecia busting into the lab and freeing Agito...while zest then tried to walk away lutecia grabs onto his cloak and asks if they are going to leave Agito behind...zest says that she isnt the target so theres no point in taking her but dispite that lutecia picks Agito up and says that they are alike...
Agito then ways up from her dream and flies up...she gets angry about their loss and vows to destroy nanoha and co next time...
moving onto nanoha we see her talking about vivo with signum in the car...they then get a call that vivo has escaped so nanoha and signum splits up to search...
nanoha looks outside and finds her jumping out of the bushes...scharch then acts rashly upon seeing vivo ~ pops up her barrier jacket and the files out of the window at lightning speed to comfront vivo who is then scared and falls to the ground...the poor girl cries and nanoha says sorry...let the bonding session begin!!
nanoha asks what her name is and she replies vivio...she the asks where her mother is and nanoha says that she will help her search together...
onto fate chan and hayate they are talking about the recent incident ~ (and because i sux at listening ill let someone else make a rough traslation of their convo :heh:) ~ they then opens the screen to see what nanoha is doing and we are faced with a crying vivo (oh god this loli is gold XD) ~ nanoha asks for help...
fate chan then shows her motherly side!! that certainly blows a hole in nanoha's bonding plan :p nanoha tells her about the situation and how she tried to drag the rising stars with no effect XD fate chan then goes on and shows more tender loving care in persuading vivo to stop crying and wait a bit longer...
on the roflchopter nanoha apologises to hayate and fate chan for the trouble ~ hayate then asks what she is going to do with vivo...nanoha says that they should give her time (and we saa a shot of her playing...)
end of part 1
LoweGear
2007-06-24, 12:41
Some episode SPOILERS lifted off 4chan, regarding RF6...
Hayate is REALLY close friends with one of the Legendary Three. There's an outside chance that she was tapped by her to spearhead a team that would act as a backup in the event that the TSAB itself became infiltrated, corrupt or whatever. Hayate is, afterall, the girl who had the willpower to bring a Lost Logia to heel.
And first pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/1182706338988.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/1182705270184.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/1182703795807.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/1182706897062.jpg
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 12:44
this ep sounds good so far and ...
wowow, Vivio has green/red eyes^^ (wait doesn't Fate have red eyes and Nanoha have green ones...... ) ow the speculations^^
*waits for part 2
Gearhead
2007-06-24, 12:51
Some episode SPOILERS lifted off 4chan, regarding RF6...
Hayate is REALLY close friends with one of the Legendary Three. There's an outside chance that she was tapped by her to spearhead a team that would act as a backup in the event that the TSAB itself became infiltrated, corrupt or whatever. Hayate is, afterall, the girl who had the willpower to bring a Lost Logia to heel.
I posted that. And considering what we have seen so far, it's the most logical conclusion to draw from the context.
Hayate and the Knights are the bodyguards of one of the Legendary Three and have an AMAZINGLY positive relationship with her. (She lets Vita get away with calling her Granny). Why the hell else would ANYONE authorize having enough firepower in one team within the city limits to nuke the whole city twice over?
serenade_beta
2007-06-24, 12:51
Ooh, two different colored eyes! How does it go again... heterochromia??....
Overture
2007-06-24, 12:52
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/USSKenji64296/1182705270184.jpg
I hear Suiseiseki~!
Desu~
I think the Admiral that's close to Hayate was named Midget or something...
EDIT: Apparently, I hear Boku...
naw, Sui's eyes are the opposite. She has Souseiseki's eyes.
Gearhead
2007-06-24, 12:55
Instead of Desu-eyes, she has Boku-eyes.
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 12:57
part 1 ~
straight off the bat we see Agito getting tortured while we hear her narrate "the meaning of life" for herself...she is injected with some chemical which caused her to growl in pain...in the next scene we see zest and lutecia busting into the lab and freeing Agito...while zest then tried to walk away lutecia grabs onto his cloak and asks if they are going to leave Agito behind...zest says that she isnt the target so theres no point in taking her but dispite that lutecia picks Agito up and says that they are alike...
Agito then ways up from her dream and flies up...she gets angry about their loss and vows to destroy nanoha and co next time...
moving onto nanoha we see her talking about vivo with signum in the car...they then get a call that vivo has escaped so nanoha and signum splits up to search...
nanoha looks outside and finds her jumping out of the bushes...scharch then acts rashly upon seeing vivo ~ pops up her barrier jacket and the files out of the window at lightning speed to comfront vivo who is then scared and falls to the ground...the poor girl cries and nanoha says sorry...let the bonding session begin!!
nanoha asks what her name is and she replies vivio...she the asks where her mother is and nanoha says that she will help her search together...
onto fate chan and hayate they are talking about the recent incident ~ (and because i sux at listening ill let someone else make a rough traslation of their convo :heh:) ~ they then opens the screen to see what nanoha is doing and we are faced with a crying vivo (oh god this loli is gold XD) ~ nanoha asks for help...
fate chan then shows her motherly side!! that certainly blows a hole in nanoha's bonding plan :p nanoha tells her about the situation and how she tried to drag the rising stars with no effect XD fate chan then goes on and shows more tender loving care in persuading vivo to stop crying and wait a bit longer...
on the roflchopter nanoha apologises to hayate and fate chan for the trouble ~ hayate then asks what she is going to do with vivo...nanoha says that they should give her time (and we saa a shot of her playing...)
end of part 1
part 2 ~
back at the base we see subaru and tea doing some work...they seem to be checking up on the data from the previous battle ~ subaru starts to go into a deep tought about the enemy and so tea gives her a good whacking...she then tells subaru to hurry up and finish with the job...
next we see fate chan and nanoha making a greeting to Carim ~ we then see the 3 of them head of to a table where chrono (shocking!) and hayate awaits...well its been a long time so things are naturally stiff ~ but then fate chan called chrono "onii chan" ~ OMG!!!! T.T enemy number 1! kill chrono!! (fate chan should be calling me onii chan ;_; ) ~
well with the introductions done they start to talk about that battle...
erio and caro puts vivo into bed...caro is relieved that shes finally asleep and erio ponders about vivo...maybe she is linked with project F (where the hell he learnt about that is beyond me O.o)
(i fail again at this long ass convo by chrono and Carim)
you forgot to mention the most important part of this episode
Knight Carim has the power of foresight/fortune telling. Think lovely ghost writter from Hunter x Hunter
and with her ability she predicts that a great disaster will befall the TSAB
moving on we see that ass hole corrupt commander and his secretary digging up more info on hayate's team ~ a tree of the team is created and everything is shown on a screen...it seems that he is still underestimating hayate while the
secretary seems to have other plans...
that night fate chan and nanoha says goodbye to hayate...but as they tried to walk off hayate runs to them and says sorry...even though they are friends they havent been together during battle...but non of this matters to fate chan and nanoha as no matter what the are still friends...
we then see nanoha returning to the room where erio and caro are taking care of vivio...as soon as nanoha walks through the door we see vivo jump onto her and giving nanoha a big hug while blushing (the bonding is complete!)
hayate returns to her dark office...she open a draw on her desk and takes out a photo book...and oh my gost we see arisa, suzuka and even graham there :heh: hayate reflects on the past where she and rein 1 separated...they have been through a lot since then...and so to create a better world hayate will risk her life ~
end
edit: added your point key ;)
Episode 13 Saw
Ok it's begin like this, Agito's waking up on the Exam Room, bound and he's thinking about what happened to him... The terrible experience begin and we know how Agito suffer during this... After we saw Zest with Lutecia rescue the Little Agito. Lutecia took Agito with her. Now let's return to Signum and Nanoha, they reach the Church and Shana seems panic. They can't find the blond girl... Shana and Signum tried to search inside and Nanoha outside. Nanoha will found her. Shana will crush the Window and scare her.. Shana, how you satisfied of what have you done? -_-;. So the girl called herself Vivio and she search for her mother... Fate and Hayate check the situation... And examine what's nanoha doing. The little Vivio is crying... Nanoha and the StrikerS group is no good with children, only Fate can handle it, hahaha...
Ace need to go and the Lightning play with Vivio.
The Stars works on the computer and they found some information on the database about their ennemis... Let's laughing.
Now the Ace, Chrono and Glacia are metting for a reunion.
When Elio check what Vivio have done: Cube and a Drawing, he's thinking about what Project F is... Now it's time for Glacia to open the Card of the prophecy and check what it will happened... Our New Ennemis unlike the Group of the Doctor examine the Entire Riot Force 6 group and have a little interest to Hayate...
The episode finished after Hayate talk with Nanoha and Fate and examine the Album after her relic. She's remembering about what she became with everyone: Gill, Reinforce and her Best Friend.
Next Episode will set Training and the Link with : Mother and Children
Now i can't wait for Opening 2 and Ending 2! "MASSIVE WONDERS" by Nana Mizuki and "Beautiful Amulet" by Yukari Tamura!
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 13:01
yes indeed...vivo is boku which is rather unexpecting :heh: so much for the arisa clone theory :rolleyes:
preview ~
titled: mother and children (another example of bad engrish as it should be child imo :heh:)
from the looks of it it seems like another uneventful ep coming up next week...but im really looking forward to the new OP/ED though :D
Key Board
2007-06-24, 13:02
you forgot to mention the most important part of this episode
Knight Carim has the power of foresight/fortune telling. Think lovely ghost writter from Hunter x Hunter
and with her ability she predicts that a great disaster will befall the TSAB
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 13:08
this ep sounds good so far and ...
wowow, Vivio has green/red eyes^^ (wait doesn't Fate have red eyes and Nanoha have green ones...... ) ow the speculations^^
*waits for part 2
You wish :p
Nanoha's eyes are purple, Yuuno's and Alisa's are the only one green :p
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 13:08
you forgot to mention the most important part of this episode
Knight Carim has the power of foresight/fortune telling. Think lovely ghost writter from Hunter x Hunter
and with her ability she predicts that a great disaster will befall the TSAB
My, my. This is the most interesting info we've had so far. So now,
Apparently, our speculations on a corrupt branch of the TSAB have a possibility of becoming true. Now that Paladin Carim has predicted a great disaster I mean
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 13:12
My, my. This is the most interesting info we've had so far. So now,
Not really, we now also know that Erio won't be hitting on her anytime soon, seeing has how he and Caro were playing 'family' with her. :p
...And personally? I think she's too young for him...:uhoh:
Who will bet that Hayate and RF6 will actually be the ones who destroy TSAB? :p
I don't know, Hayate has this "It's for the greater good" vibe about her, even if you disregard the scene in 12 that I would have subbed "mwhahaha run peons run!"
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 13:16
Not really, we now also know that Erio won't be hitting on her anytime soon, seeing has how he and Caro were playing 'family' with her. :p
...And personally? I think she's too young for him...:uhoh:
As always, we're talking about entirely different things :heh:. I meant the info on Paladin Carim, not on Elio and Caro :heh:
@Flar
Then that means that Hayate and the Knights would be joining Spaghetti's ranks. I definitely protest to such an outcome. If they're brainwashed, possessed or something like that, then OK, but if they do it willingly, then I don't know what'll happen to the show.
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 13:19
You wish :p
Nanoha's eyes are purple, Yuuno's and Alisa's are the only one green :p
well I couldn't tell (well to be honest never really looked) but I thought they were green lol
So problems within and a prediction of TSAB's fall (or at least a major hit) by Carim. And RF6's true motive revealed^^ It looks to be the finally boss maybe TSAB (or a part of it) More likely now is that the client is infact in TSAB (points at that Secretary) Definitly going to be one epic fight in the end^^
Estavali
2007-06-24, 13:20
When Hayate flipped to that page with Graham, he looked really, really old. And for some reason Aria and Lotte are/were in their natural forms (aka. cat form).
And Hayate seems rather sad while looking at his photo.
Methinks very possibly Graham has already passed away. Either that or he's not too far from it.
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 13:22
@Flar
Then that means that Hayate and the Knights would be joining Spaghetti's ranks. I definitely protest to such an outcome. If they're brainwashed, possessed or something like that, then OK, but if they do it willingly, then I don't know what'll happen to the show.
er no...
who says they cant be a 3rd faction? spaghetti can just go die while lutecia and the organisation she is working for joins up with hayate and co ~
now what did i say about one ass hole to control them all? :p
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 13:23
When Hayate flipped to that page with Graham, he looked really, really old. And for some reason Aria and Lotte are/were in their natural forms (aka. cat form).
And Hayate seems rather sad while looking at his photo.
Methinks very possibly Graham has already passed away. Either that or he's not too far from it.
*shrugs* Oh well, we can't really say that this was unxpected, can we? :heh: And he always took care of Hayate so I guess it's natural for her to be sad.
@Deathie: Uh....Well, I don't object to the 'Spaghetti can go die' thing :heh: :D, but that a**ho** general controlling Hayate? That would really suck ><.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 13:23
As always, we're talking about entirely different things :heh:. I meant the info on Paladin Carim, not on Elio and Caro :heh:
Yeah, I know. But I was refering to your sentence of "most interesting info we've had so far".
Erio and Caro had-
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Okay lame, but it's 2:30 am... I'll come back later somebody tells me the damn reason for RF6 :p
P.S - Lol, 'onii-chan'? Seriously?! :D In front of all these important ladies?
Key Board
2007-06-24, 14:38
The prophecy sounded rather Nostradamus-ish
It says a king will perish, a tower will burn down and a ship will sink
The gang seems certain it refers to the tower/HQ in Michilda
and I have a feeling Hayate thinks the king is her
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 14:42
Oh good, And I thought I would have to be reading through 3 more pages while I was asleep... :p
Strangely enough, for all my exitement of the Nanoha/Vivio interactions, it was Fate calling Chrono "onii-chan" and his reaction that really stood out in this episode. :heh:
And Schach's reaction came as a surprise, I figured her to be a gentle person. :twitch: The music during the fortune telling was simply awesome.
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 14:44
The prophecy sounded rather Nostradamus-ish
It says a king will perish, a tower will burn down and a ship will sink
The gang seems certain it refers to the tower/HQ in Michilda
and I have a feeling Hayate thinks the king is her
that makes me wonder *parinoia sets in* what if the king mentioned refers to Nanoha? afterall the ending doesn't leave us with mixed feelings as to what its significants means. She is TSAB's Ace of Aces and she esentially created the group of 3 that we see (ruler/leader sorta deal). So maybe....
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 14:45
Strangely enough, for all my exitement of the Nanoha/Vivio interactions, it was Fate calling Chrono "onii-chan" and his reaction that really stoof out in this episode. :heh:
Brilliant :D
It's good to see after 10 years, some things still stays the same :D
([Sugita] + [Big brother role] = :D)
And Schach's reaction came as a surprise, I figured her to be a gentle person. :twitch:
Yeah, and Hayate was suppose to be this polite, gentle lady base on her usual behaviour and appearance :p
nuff said :)
Key Board
2007-06-24, 14:49
Vivio is an agent of the church.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone order Schach to silence her to cover their tracks. She was acting rather.. odd.
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 14:49
Yeah sure there is all that important plot stuff to discuss. But seriously a combination of "onii-chan" Chrono's reaction to that, and the fact it doesn't seem like he left Carim's place at all....interesting :)
Interesting though seeing Erio watch Vivio and think about Project F. The information about her being an artificial mage and all that probably has a reaction to his own past. Clearly not ready to talk to Caro about it.
Key Board
2007-06-24, 14:52
that makes me wonder *parinoia sets in* what if the king mentioned refers to Nanoha? afterall the ending doesn't leave us with mixed feelings as to what its significants means. She is TSAB's Ace of Aces and she esentially created the group of 3 that we see (ruler/leader sorta deal). So maybe....
Hayate is referred to as the last lord of the night sky. Plus there were quite some foreboding with her in this episode. The title "inochi no riyuu" / "meaning of life refers to Hayate's monologue at the end of this episode
edit: although Nanoha got her character death flags in much earlier episode with Vita. XD
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 14:55
Hayate is referred to as the last lord of the night sky. Plus there were quite some foreboding with her in this episode. The title "inochi no riyuu" / "meaning of life refers to Hayate's monologue at the end of this episode
Yes, more likely we're talking about Hayate when we refer to the 'King that will perish'. She is the "Queen of the Night Sky" as Vita said in episode 12 of A's, so all evidence points to Hayate dying.
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 14:55
Hayate is referred to as the last lord of the night sky. Plus there were quite some foreboding with her in this episode. The title "inochi no riyuu" / "meaning of life refers to Hayate's monologue at the end of this episode
ah, but the producers have a way of leading us a stray^^ Most likely Hayate feels its her (for reasons you've stated) but I'm not gonna through away the possibilty of Nanoha being the true person in question that carim mentions. Its all the ending fault. If it wasn't for that I'd be with you on this one^^
Brilliant episode, looks like in part two all hell will break loose. Yey!
Can't wait till next week...
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On anothere note, Fate was just too cute this episode.
First was the bunny business ~ that was just adorable, then the onii-chan part ~ seeing all those devils type like crazy and fill the screen was so funny. :heh:
BTW is it just me or does Hayate end every sentence with a long nya~. It may be just the words but I'm sure hearing it a lot, especially when she's saying something serious ~ must be Graham's fault.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 14:57
Yeah sure there is all that important plot stuff to discuss. But seriously a combination of "onii-chan" Chrono's reaction to that, and the fact it doesn't seem like he left Carim's place at all....interesting :)
Chrono's all about the blonds...
Interesting though seeing Erio watch Vivio and think about Project F. The information about her being an artificial mage and all that probably has a reaction to his own past. Clearly not ready to talk to Caro about it.
Or it could be Interpreted that he doesn't want Caro to worry about it.
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 15:00
BTW is it just me or does Hayate end every sentence with a long nya~. It may be just the words but I'm sure hearing it a lot, especially when she's saying something serious ~ must be Graham's fault.
Nope, it's not just you. I hear that too :heh:. But I think I read somewhere that they had Hayate talking with a strong Kansai accent :heh:
Key Board
2007-06-24, 15:01
If you ask me, my third eye says that:
1) Nanoha's past will catch up to her and she will be knocked out again
2) Dr Scag will make good of his declaration and capture Fate
3) Hayate will join Kamina and Theresa's tea party in heaven
and this is where team newbie comes in and try to save the day..
blitz1/2
2007-06-24, 15:01
Another revealation & explaination episode, so naturally it racks action... but who minds about that.
- Episode starts with Agito's flashback of her past in some research lab, which she describes as endless pain even without hope of peaceful death.
She appears to be not, however, created in there, that she can't remember by detail now but she says she had more past. (or so I think I heard)
- Zest and Lulu raids the lab, or at least they were in there engulfed in flame, and find Agito and free her.
Zest insisted to leave her just outside of wreaked lab, so that TSAB will eventually find her and she'll hopefully get better treatment than she were, as a Genuine Ancient Velka Unison Device, not a replica.
Lulu objects, that she'll be a marmot anyway, so they'd rather take her with them.
- Agito wakes up in some lake-side accompanied with Zest and Lulu, in anger of horrible nightmare.
She then recalls their encounter with RF6, especially against Rein, and that (she mistakenly thought that) she has the meister of certain hammer knight while Agito herself is meister-less.
She thinks that Rein most likely have no idea how sorrowful it is to be a Unison Device without master, and swears revenge.
- Scene pans to Fate-car driven by Signum, with Nanoha as passenger, on their way to the Church.
However, Schach sends them an urgent call, that the blonde-loli went missing.
- Fate-car arrives and Schach greets them, that every way out are blocked that she shouldn't have went out of area and asks them to help her search loli.
(btw, Schach is rather upset in these scene... cute, I'd say ;))
- Signum and Schach chat as they search a corridor, that although the loli's magic power is relatively large, but still not out of threshold of natural-born child.
However, data from examination clearly tells that she is an artifical being... so magic power alone can not measure her.
- Nanoha finds her in courtyard, and comes face to face with her.
Schach finds them just in time and set-up her device (yes, it's a pair of Tanfa!) and jumps in between them, trying to "defend" Nanoha.
Obviously scared by her, the loli starts crying... Schach is a hasty person :heh:
Nanoha pushes Schach aside and greets the loli, and now we officially know her name; Vivio.
- Hayate and Fate discussing in CO. room about the rumor of upcoming inspection.
Fate insists Hayate to tell them the true reason of RF6's establishment, for it'll be crucial in inspection as well.
Hayate tells back that they'll be visiting Church from now on, so she'll do it there.
- 2 Aces then try to contact Nanoha, only to find that Vivio crying and going clingy on Nanoha that she didn't leave Nanoha's side till RF6 base, with Steaks trying to stop her crying without success.
Fate shows her professional-mamma skill and subsequently let her go of Nanoha... she is one hell of Momma!
Erio and Caro explains that Fate has experience from Chrono's chillren as well as Arf, then Teana teases them that Erio&Caro, too, are the "experience".
(Nanoha going "help me- :heh:" = GOLD)I'm writing B part now and will edit into this post, so come back later!
And I thought Subaru was the new Shinn.
Agito's got the role now.
An Agito vs. Rein fight is going to be fun to watch. But then
Of course, Rein beats Agito in every encounter and Agito responds with "Go to hell!" every time she fails.
Rein = Kamille
Agito = Jerid
We'll see though
ah, but the producers have a way of leading us a stray^^ Most likely Hayate feels its her (for reasons you've stated) but I'm not gonna through away the possibilty of Nanoha being the true person in question that carim mentions. Its all the ending fault. If it wasn't for that I'd be with you on this one^^There must be someone else out there ~ who who who... Maybe the idiot leader will die. What better moment anyway then to go down with the tower. Surely it can't be Nanoha, the series is named after her for crying out loud.
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 15:03
Yes, more likely we're talking about Hayate when we refer to the 'King that will perish'. She is the "Queen of the Night Sky" as Vita said in episode 12 of A's, so all evidence points to Hayate dying.
ahh the good old death flag waving in the wind...but rather her dying the thought of her getting controlled by some greater evil sounds more appealing...call it blackmail then pit her against fate chan and nanoha from some explosive fun :D (thats probably the only way we will see everyone with limiter full release mode) :3
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 15:03
Chrono's all about the blonds...
Nothing wrong with the blondes. Really not a bad meeitng to be apart of. Finally got to see him interacting with the aces again.
Or it could be Interpreted that he doesn't want Caro to worry about it.
Yeah that's probably one major thing. Most likely he doesn't want her worrying. Since it's probably something he's trying to figure out himself.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:08
FlareKnight, you're the only one left that hasn't fallen to the dark temptations of conspiracy theories and death-omen reading...
DON'T LEAVE ME OUT HERE ALONE! :upset::upset::upset:
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Nothing wrong with the blondes. Really not a bad meeitng to be apart of. Finally got to see him interacting with the aces again.
Though unfortunately, it's on business terms...
Yeah that's probably one major thing. Most likely he doesn't want her worrying. Since it's probably something he's trying to figure out himself.
And being a kid, he probably doesn't really know how to break it to her gently.
Key Board
2007-06-24, 15:10
It's called *gasp* talking about the episode, chaos
The story does not revolve around Erio and his imaginary harem, you know
Yeah that's probably one major thing. Most likely he doesn't want her worrying. Since it's probably something he's trying to figure out himself.Or he has some hidden agenda.
Revenge ~ maybe. If things start going boom, I'm not expecting everyone to stick together.
Anyway it would be intresting if something happens to Hayate. (not neceserly she dies)
She just has so much responsability towards the other main characters.
From command, as the command tree we got shows, to limiter release she's the main link.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:12
It's called *gasp* talking about the episode, chaos
The story does not revolve around Erio and his imaginary harem, you know
What are you talking about? :confused:
I'm on Chrono and HIS imaginary harem...
That said, the series isn't 'Survivor' either.
FlareKnight, you're the only one left that hasn't fallen to the dark temptations of conspiracy theories and death-omen reading...
DON'T LEAVE ME OUT HERE ALONE!
What conspiracy O.o? i was out of loop from ep 12 lol
So from what Zest said this episode, does that mean Agito is a replica unison device or she is genuine one (but experimented on)?
Edit:
Hayate ulterior motive ..to resurrect R-1 maybe :heh:
One other thing I couldn't help but notice is that Vivio's Seiyuu is very good at doing the I'm-not-a-happy-kid wail. Having a certain amount of experience with kids like that made me wince and chuckle. :heh:
Key Board
2007-06-24, 15:16
actually, from the way he phrased it, I think zest was referring to her magic style
ancient velka not being a replica (modern velka is emulated)
blitz1/2
2007-06-24, 15:18
One other thing I couldn't help but notice is that Vivio's Seiyuu is very good at doing the I'm-not-a-happy-kid wail. Having a certain amount of experience with kids like that made me wince and chuckle. :heh:
Who is the seiyuu for Vivio?
Second Blitz question... ^^
One other thing I couldn't help but notice is that Vivio's Seiyuu is very good at doing the I'm-not-a-happy-kid wail. Having a certain amount of experience with kids like that made me wince and chuckle. :heh:I'm thinking they borrowed the voice of a "younger" seyuu for that part, it was almost too good. :heh:And being a kid, he probably doesn't really know how to break it to her gently.
As a kid it should be the easiest to say: "Carol, love of my life, I are freak born in scary laboratory from far far away." :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:19
What conspiracy O.o? i was out of loop from ep 12 lol
So from what Zest said this episode, does that mean Agito is a replica unison device or she is genuine one (but experimented on)?
Edit:
Hayate ulterior motive ..to resurrect R-1 maybe :heh:
You know, the usual... Someone's going to die, TSAB would be destroyed... Same old same old.
As for Agito... IF Thisguy doesn't change his script, it would be that she's a "Genuine Ancient Velka Unison Device" but was being treated as if a replica.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:22
Who is the seiyuu for Vivio?
Second Blitz question... ^^
I'm thinking they borrowed the voice of a "younger" seyuu for that part, it was almost too good. :heh:
I get a kick out of saying this all the time...
The same person that did Yuuno :p
Kaori Mizuhashi
As a kid it should be the easiest to say: "Carol, love of my life, I are freak born in scary laboratory from far far away." :heh:
And that's why, Cats... You don't get girls like Caro.
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 15:23
ahh the good old death flag waving in the wind...but rather her dying the thought of her getting controlled by some greater evil sounds more appealing...call it blackmail then pit her against fate chan and nanoha from some explosive fun :D (thats probably the only way we will see everyone with limiter full release mode) :3
Although you do realize that having Hayate against Nanoha and Fate could result in the obliteration of the Mid-Childan planet do you not? I mean, Hayate already had a very O.o nuke spell while being in only S rank, imagine what'll happen when she gets her SS power back! And Nanoha and Fate wouldn't hold back either, so.....Goodbye Mid-Childa, it was good knowing you :heh: :heh:
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 15:23
You know, the usual... Someone's going to die, TSAB would be destroyed... Same old same old.
As for Agito... IF Thisguy doesn't change his script, it would be that she's a "Genuine Ancient Velka Unison Device" but was being trated as if a replica.
I was thinking about that. Makes me wonder if will see her get a master and hense forth we see a unison of Agito and set master^^ (gotta have some positive talk amonst the TSAB's collapse Hayate or Nanoha death talk^^)
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 15:24
As a kid it should be the easiest to say: "Carol, love of my life, I are freak born in scary laboratory from far far away." :heh:
sounds like a free ticket for caro to be jumping onto erio while saying "you poor deprived thing"
I get a kick out of saying this all the time...
The same person that did Yuuno :p
Really? Damn she's good. I sense massive Seiyuu jokes incomming for that one. :D
krisslanza
2007-06-24, 15:27
Wow I looked at the official Triad page. I don't know why StrikerS is the only discontinued thing they dropped with the reason being... 6 words long. Yes. 6 words.
Bleh. Someone should firebomb their houses. <_< Yesssss. Firebombing solves all... Hey are the RAWs on Veoh yet?
I get a kick out of saying this all the time...
The same person that did Yuuno :p
So that means Yuuno's a girl? or Vivio's a boy? based on sayuu,
I've seen this gender mixing in seyuu's. I'm hopeless, I can never tell ^^"And that's why, Cats... You don't get girls like Caro.I was just kidding silly ~ but I still don't see the big deal of hiding it.
Wathever ~ it's not like it makes a diffrence either way.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:30
sounds like a free ticket for caro to be jumping onto erio while saying "you poor deprived thing"
She's going to do it either way...
Really? Damn she's good. I sense massive Seiyuu jokes incomming for that one. :D
I myself wanna see what coloured you 'impressed' :p
Wow I looked at the official Triad page. I don't know why StrikerS is the only discontinued thing they dropped with the reason being... 6 words long. Yes. 6 words.
Bleh. Someone should firebomb their houses. <_< Yesssss. Firebombing solves all... Hey are the RAWs on Veoh yet?
E-Easy there lady... :heh:
EDIT:
So that means Yuuno's a girl? or Vivio's a boy? based on sayuu,
I've seen this gender mixing in seyuu's. I'm hopeless, I can never tell ^^"
His VA is Kaori Mizuhashi, and she's very much a woman :heh:
Only played very few male roles...
I was just kidding silly ~ but I still don't see the big deal of hiding it.
Wathever ~ it's not like it makes a diffrence either way.
Sure you are, I believe in you :)
But like I've said, he needs time to find the right words to say, in the right place to do it, with the right 'magic' in the air.
krisslanza
2007-06-24, 15:34
OH NO! BETTER! We get Nanoha to SLB their houses! That is the best way! =D
Alright, alright I'll call down now. I just have to rant and I can't rant to my friend because he says StrikerS sucks and I always argue with him whenever I mention Nanoha so I try not too... XD
*Peeks on Veoh*
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 15:35
E-Easy there lady... :heh:
Perhaps its a girl thing only, but I also wanted to flame them to death
EDIT:
OH NO! BETTER! We get Nanoha to SLB their houses! That is the best way! =D
I agree with this :D
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:35
OH NO! BETTER! We get Nanoha to SLB their houses! That is the best way! =D
Alright, alright I'll call down now. I just have to rant and I can't rant to my friend because he says StrikerS sucks and I always argue with him whenever I mention Nanoha so I try not too... XD
*Peeks on Veoh*
Is he the same one you rant non-stop about NxF ? :heh:
So that means Yuuno's a girl? or Vivio's a boy? based on sayuu,
I've seen this gender mixing in seyuu's. I'm hopeless, I can never tell ^^".
It means Yuuno could get away being a peeping tom acting as vivio
*Nanoha taking a bath*
Nanoha:(heard a noise outside the door) "Who is that??!!"
Yuuno :"It is me Nanoha-san, just checking whether anyone is using the shower"
:heh:
Wow I looked at the official Triad page. I don't know why StrikerS is the only discontinued thing they dropped with the reason being... 6 words long. Yes. 6 words.
Bleh. Someone should firebomb their houses. <_< Yesssss. Firebombing solves all... Hey are the RAWs on Veoh yet?
There were some other reason :heh: you missed the heated discussion weeks ago.It get really ugly at 4chan >.>
krisslanza
2007-06-24, 15:37
No that's another friend who doesn't watch the RAWs so I don't rant to him too often. xD
The one in question just hates StrikerS for 'taking away his loli' and 'ruining his loli' and making them 'into little sex kittens', the list is pretty long.
But yes. Nanoha SLB = Best solution. SLB solves everything! And hey if you live, you are her friend right!? ;D
Aw, no RAW on Veoh yet (As I expected) now to just wait I guess...
There were some other reason you missed the heated discussion weeks ago.It get really ugly at 4chan >.>
I tend to stay off 4chan... xD
But if they had a good reason they certinaly didn't put it on their website.
Because 6 words hardly justifies dropping a series... Especially 6 words that just makes you sound like an immature little kid who can't wait for the training episodes to end.
Patience is in short supply on the interwebz it seems.
Key Board
2007-06-24, 15:38
あれは古代ベルカ式、 レプリカじゃない
Zest was referring to her magic style
which is probably the reason why she doesn't have a "Lord" yet
there's only 3 ancient velka users left not counting Hayate's program knights
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:39
Perhaps its a girl thing only, but I also wanted to flame them to death
EDIT:
I agree with this :D
Jack Sparrow: "Like A woman with scorn, Hell has no fury of..."
:heh:
There were some other reason :heh: you missed the heated discussion weeks ago.It get really ugly at 4chan >.>
My impression of 4chan was that it's NEVER really a clean 'city' :heh:
No that's another friend who doesn't watch the RAWs so I don't rant to him too often. xD
The one in question just hates StrikerS for 'taking away his loli' and 'ruining his loli' and making them 'into little sex kittens', the list is pretty long.
Oh yeah... THOSE kinds... I thought they all died out? :heh:
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 15:41
*Cough cough* Back to topic.
So Agito is a device, Lulu is a summoner and Zest is a Knight. Is there anything else revealed about them in this episode? It would be interesting to see things from the "bad guys" 's point of view.
EDIT: Are doing this just to spite me Chaos? >.>
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:44
*Cough cough* Back to topic.
So Agito is a device, Lulu is a summoner and Zest is a Knight. Is there anything else revealed about them in this episode? It would be interesting to see things from the "bad guys" 's point of view.
Agito is more emo than originally thought.
Lutecia hasn't had a hug yet.
And Zest is her boy-toy by default...
EDIT: Are doing this just to spite me Chaos? >.>
Smile :).
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 15:46
Agito is more emo than originally thought.
Lutecia hasn't had a hug yet.
And Zest is her boy-toy by default...
That is really useless information you know? >.>
Smile :).
I suddenly have the urge to kill......:D (:joke: btw)
My impression of 4chan was that it's NEVER really a clean 'city' :heh:
Ugly as in really really bad heated argument...not that "unclean" thing
@kriss
:heh: their old announcement about dropping the show is not there anymore ...It was pretty long and offensive kinda but explain bits about what happen.
Agito is more emo than originally thought.
Lutecia hasn't had a hug yet.
And Zest is her boy-toy by default...
:heh::heh::heh: where do you get that impression ...I thought garyuu is her toy boy (just assume it is a male :p)
Edit:
I suddenly have the urge to kill......:D (:joke: btw)
I will help you find his address :D
I myself wanna see what coloured you 'impressed' :p
It's not so much a matter of seeing, but more a matter of hearing. Ever been around a young child who wants something, but he can't have it? Ever heard them open their mouths and wail? yeah, that kinda wail. And she's got it down so good it made me wince. :heh:
Key Board
2007-06-24, 15:48
*Cough cough* Back to topic.
So Agito is a device, Lulu is a summoner and Zest is a Knight. Is there anything else revealed about them in this episode? It would be interesting to see things from the "bad guys" 's point of view.
It's mentioned already but Agito has lord/meister/master envy and has declared Reinforce to be her sworn enemy
This episode was more about Nanoha trying to be a mother towards Vivio but not doing that well and having to rely on Fate's experience
and of course, Carim's smack in your face, prophecy of doom and gloom
edit: oh yeah, Subaru mentioned something about the numbers. She says that the Numbers do not use magic energy are are deriving their power from something else.
But keep in mind, Subaru might be wrong.
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 15:51
Edit:
I will help you find his address :D
Help is appreciated and welcome :D
It's mentioned already but Agito has lord/meister/master envy and has declared Reinforce to be her sworn enemy
This episode was more about Nanoha trying to be a mother towards Vivio but not doing that well and having to rely on Fate's experience
and of course, Carim's smack in your face, prophecy of doom and gloom
I read the Agito declaring Rein her sworn enemy part. Thanks anyway :)
I thought, because of the preview, that this episode would reveal at least a few more details about Lulu Team. Shucks but we'll have to wait.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:52
That is really useless information you know? >.>
Nonsense! You must learn to read between the lines!
Agito: We now know she'll have a 'berserker' moment!
Lutecia: Somebody ELSE would be the one giving her that hug.
Zest: He'll take a silver bullet for her.
I suddenly have the urge to kill......:D
I love you, please don't kill me.
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Ugly as in really really bad heated argument...not that "unclean" thing
Well yeah... Dirty, not pretty, unsafe... Everything you can think of in a bad Neighborhood :)
:heh::heh::heh: where do you get that impression ...I thought garyuu is her toy boy (just assume it is a male :p)
Garyuu's the pet :heh:
Edit:
I will help you find his address :D
I love you, please don't help her kill me.
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 15:53
It's mentioned already but Agito has lord/meister/master envy and has declared Reinforce to be her sworn enemy
This episode was more about Nanoha trying to be a mother towards Vivio but not doing that well and having to rely on Fate's experience
and of course, Carim's smack in your face, prophecy of doom and gloom
lol, doom and gloom while things go boom .... in de'... (wait wrong show lol, that statement reminded my of the cartoon dexters lab lol, why I don't know :heh:)
Sigh sounds like the Lutecia info I wanted was sorta short winded and focused on Agito then Lutecia, least we find out Agito is in fact a unison device (now who could we have to be her master^^)
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 15:54
I love you, please don't kill me.
Uh-huh. You're going to give Aaron weird ideas again >.>
I love you, please don't help her kill me.
I'm getting "Vice" vibes from you repeating this all the time :heh: :D
Now I'm thinking something up. I know she already has one (device), but why couldn't Lulu be Agito's master?
Key Board
2007-06-24, 15:57
Now I'm thinking something up. I know she already has one (device), but why couldn't Lulu be Agito's master?
It's not explicitly said, but I have the impression that Zest and Lutecia are modern velka styled and thus incompatible with her
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 15:58
It's not so much a matter of seeing, but more a matter of hearing. Ever been around a young child who wants something, but he can't have it? Ever heard them open their mouths and wail? yeah, that kinda wail. And she's got it down so good it made me wince. :heh:
I kinda scared my latest 'project' into screaming everytime she sees me...
... Which then leads to awkward moments when I bring my friends over...
I read the Agito declaring Rein her sworn enemy part. Thanks anyway :)
Everybody saw that coming :D
(Though I myself had hoped it wouldn't be that obvious :heh:)
Uh-huh. You're going to give Aaron weird ideas again >.>
Working as- I mean, you're right it would just be uncomfortable.
I'm getting "Vice" vibes from you repeating this all the time :heh: :D
It might buy him some time... :heh:
Garyuu's the pet :heh:
:cool: she is more lovey dovey with Garyuu than Zest
I love you, please don't help her kill me.
Isn't this already the xxxth times you said that :heh:
Now I'm thinking something up. I know she already has one (device), but why couldn't Lulu be Agito's master?
Maybe unison device need compatibility? so it cant just unison with anyone
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 16:01
:cool: she is more lovey dovey with Garyuu than Zest
Well, some people are like that more with their pets than with other humans :heh:
Isn't this already the xxxth times you said that :heh:
xxx = 002
Wait, if you mean the exact words, then that would be the first time :heh:
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 16:01
It's not explicitly said, but I have the impression that Zest and Lutecia are modern velka styled and thus incompatible with her
Well, that would explain it. As far as we know, there are only 3 living Old-Belka users: Hayate, Acous and Carim. And I don't think the other two need devices.
Well, that would explain it. As far as we know, there are only 3 living Old-Belka users: Hayate, Acous and Carim. And I don't think the other two need devices.
They probably has their own unison device already or ...she used to be owned by either one but lost her memory when experimented on :confused:
xxx = 002
Wait, if you mean the exact words, then that would be the first time :heh:
I hate you :upset:
Just kidding :heh:
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 16:05
FlareKnight, you're the only one left that hasn't fallen to the dark temptations of conspiracy theories and death-omen reading...
DON'T LEAVE ME OUT HERE ALONE! :upset::upset::upset:
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Haha kind've weird how I have to leave right before that message comes up. Not to worry I'm not one to get drawn into doom and conspiracy theories. Still can't see any important characters getting killed off. Maybe the doctor gets axed, and that general gets a building to collapse on him but nothing more than that.
No need to go and kill Chaos....It'd really put a damper on all the jokes after all.
Seems tough on Agito. Trying to find an ancient Velka that's compatitble with her. At least we're set up for a match of the little people. For some reason I can't stop smiling at that :).
Gearhead
2007-06-24, 16:08
Just to point out a logical counter-argument to the notion of Hayate being the 'king' mentioned. She can't be a king because she serves someone else. And the reason that Hayate is IN the position she's in is because she doesn't hold loyalty to normal chains of command. Her commanding officers are Carim and Chrono. And above them she ONLY reports to a member of the Three Legends. If General Wideload tries to make too many waves, he'll find wrath coming down on his head from on high.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 16:14
They probably has their own unison device already or ...she used to be owned by either one but lost her memory when experimented on :confused:
I don't think Acous would have a unison device... Doesn't seem very 'lordy' to me :heh:
Or, an easier explaination is that her master died.
I hate you :upset:
Just kidding :heh:
Homer: "Okay Marge, you stay here, while I go rescue Lisa!"
Feminists: "BOOOO!!!!"
Homer: "Alright, I'll stay here, and you go rescue Lisa!"
Feminists:"BOOOO!!!!"
Homer: "Oww, what do women want :upset:?!"
Just kidding :heh:
Tenkaichi
2007-06-24, 16:14
If you ask me, my third eye says that:
1) Nanoha's past will catch up to her and she will be knocked out again
2) Dr Scag will make good of his declaration and capture Fate
3) Hayate will join Kamina and Theresa's tea party in heaven
and this is where team newbie comes in and try to save the day..
For the most part, I'm with you on #2, Key Board. But I guess it would be something like capture Fate to put Nanoha in a situation, maybe leading to #1 prediction? I honestly thought Fate or Elio would be focused in on because of them being "remnants of Project F," Fate being more so important because she's the first (I think)?
Not so sure about Hayate. Maybe it's just because of the kind of vibes this show gives off, but who knows? I think she might get into a really dangerous situation at most, but if it comes down to that, her knights are most likely going with her.
Key Board
2007-06-24, 16:19
Well this is what my 4th eye says:
Hayate dies
Rein and her knights does... something...
"Brave Phoenix" starts to play
Original Reinforce is reborn
yay?
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 16:21
Haha kind've weird how I have to leave right before that message comes up. Not to worry I'm not one to get drawn into doom and conspiracy theories. Still can't see any important characters getting killed off. Maybe the doctor gets axed, and that general gets a building to collapse on him but nothing more than that.
I can see them living through this just because everybody expects them not to :heh:
Anybody remember Vesser Three? :heh: (Or at the end, Vesser One)
No need to go and kill Chaos....It'd really put a damper on all the jokes after all.
I would say the same words that I've said to them, but that would be going against my belief so...
*pat on shoulder*
For some reason I can't stop smiling at that :).
I imagine them pulling a south park kids-fight :heh:
"No hitting the face!"
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 16:43
I can see them living through this just because everybody expects them not to :heh:
Anybody remember Vesser Three? :heh: (Or at the end, Vesser One)
Oh man are you telling me that guy actually survived? I never read the rest because I heard one of the characters I liked died. I'm tracking down the author of this one.
Overall I think people have gotten a little too concerned about character death. I just can't see Hayate missing the bullet last season just to be killed off here. She's determined sure but I'm not worried about her dying on us.
I can see Fate or Erio getting captured at some point. Fate may be a higher priority because she's an older part of Project F. Or they may target Erio because he's newer I'd assume and possibly easier to capture.
Shameless self-advertisement that my post has been updated... although I'm not sure if it's useful by now with RAW's out.
Forum were down right when I tried to edit it, and I'm forced to post it in just a small time I had between waking up and going to work, which means I haven't read pages so please forgive me if I interupted some discussion.
Reiji Tabibito
2007-06-24, 16:47
Okay... so we learn more about Vivio, that Erio's not ready to be straight w/Caro about his past yet (who would?), and MORE FORESHADOWING
So far the biggest revelation of not just the ep, but the StrikerS series in general. It goes to the tune of "A King will perish, a Tower will fall, and a Ship will sink." Okay, time to break it down.
A King will Perish: There is a good amount of speculation that this refers to Hayate, and that she is the addressee of the line. However, I find this unlikely. In order to even get close to Hayate, they'd have to, at the very least, go through Rein and all four Wolkenritter, then take on Hayate herself. So, unless they're planning on killing her in one of those ignominious kinds of death, she's relatively safe.
Others, however, are not so well guarded. My guess is that King is reference to the position of the line's subject - someone in a very high position of power. There are at least six people that we can think of in that sort of position: Chrono, Lindy, the Legendary Three Admirals, and Carim herself.
Analysis of "King" likelihood:
Note: My guess as to the purpose of the "King" is to inspire MD6 to action; the death triggers the warpath response - we won't stop fighting until the fight is done. (See TV Tropes Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night to understand my thinking)
Chrono: Possible.
Why Yes: While he has had some screentime within the series, it's not been much considering that this first half as primarily dealt with training the rookies and the bureaucracy of TSAB. And while he IS an admiral, it's made evidently clear in 1st season that he is not as magically powerful as Nanoha or Fate (and therefore Hayate as well), and that means he'd be more likely to die in a straight up slugfest. Plus, he's an Admiral, and while he may not be as influential as the Legendary Three, he still wields considerable power within TSAB. Our ultimate villains (more on that later), if within TSAB, could see him as a potential threat and decide to have him eliminated. The fact that Chrono's now a family man doesn't make him immune; it would make his death more shocking a la FMA's Hughes.
Why No: On the other hand, Chrono's been an integral part of the series since the first season; killing him would inspire MD6 to action, but it would deprive the series of one of it's prime male leads, and cause all sorts of problems down the road unless they killed him like X's Sorata - right at the tail end. Plus, if TSAB's corrupt, it's going to need movers and shakers to clean up afterwards - and Chrono'd be a prime candidate.
Final Verdict: I think for the most part, Chrono's safe as long as he keeps himself away from the fighting - the fact that it'd cause several problems is an excellent deterrent.
Lindy: Somewhat Probable.
Why: Lindy's role in the series is really pretty much over - she's not even listed in the cast. But killing her would be a way to achieve substantial impact without the problems of dealing with one of the active characters - Lindy's been like a mother or aunt to a great deal of the cast, and that'd give the necessary impact.
Verdict: If she ever gets brought up within the series, or Earth does in reference to her, she's probably a goner. If she remains as invisible as she has been, however, she's safe.
The Legendary Three: No Way on two, Quite Possible on the other
Why: The only LegenThree Adm. vulnerable would be "Grandma" - it's her relationship with Hayate and MD6 that makes her a target. However, she IS legendary - it'd be a stretch for even one of her former comrades to take her out - assassination anyone?
Verdict: "Grandma"'s got a 50:50 chance of survival, just like Lindy.
Carim: Possible.
Why: Carim's played a major role in this series - she's MD6's connection to the Saint Church, and she's had a good amount of screen time. What puts her at risk, however, is her ability to see the future - the villains could see that as a threat and decide to take her out. Like Chrono, however, she'll be needed if TSAB's corrupt and needs cleaning up postseries.
Verdict: Carim's the dark horse candidate in all this - the long shot.
Final Verdict As to the "King:" The most likely choices right now are Chrono and "Grandma," with "Grandma" edging out only because of the problem's Chrono's death would cause.
A Tower Will Fall: The Tower has always been the place of sanctuary; it falling will mean that someone no longer has a place to stay.
What is the Tower?: In all likelihood, MD6's HQ. It's the place that we've come to know and love - and its loss means that MD6 is on the run, with no place to go.
A Ship Will Sink: This is probably in connection to the Tower; after the fall of MD6's HQ, they'll move to one of TSAB's ships for home. That ship will probably be used near the very end to accomplish some major objective a la Starcraft's Tassadar aboard the Gantrithor.
WHO ARE THE ENEMY?!: There are currently three parties who could be considered the true enemy: Scaglietti and the Numbers, the Client, or corrupt parts of TSAB.
You mean it's not Lutecia?: No. Lutecia has made it evidently clear that she's like a pirate; only in it for what she can get out of it. As the Mafia say, it's nothing personal; just business.
Scaglietti & the Numbers: They're similar to A's Wolkenritter; just here because they've got a job to do. They're the ones MD6 will end up fighting the most, but they're not the true villains, just the "enforcers."
The Client: No two ways about it - the Client is definitely the ultimate villain in this series. The question remains, though, who is the Client?
Is it TSAB?: Quite possibly. Our airhead Adm. and his secretary seem awfully hateful of Hayate and MD6 - but past experience has taught me that 8/10 times, the asshole is simply an asshole and nothing more. But there could be other factions within TSAB at work.
In Short: The Client is the One True Enemy, but we've no idea as to who that is at this point.
Just my thoughts on the matter.:D
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 16:52
Oh man are you telling me that guy actually survived? I never read the rest because I heard one of the characters I liked died. I'm tracking down the author of this one.
Heh, he's in 'jail' ...
Shameless self-advertisement that my post has been updated... although I'm not sure if it's useful by now with RAW's out.
Forum were down right when I tried to edit it, and I'm forced to post it in just a small time I had between waking up and going to work, which means I haven't read pages so please forgive me if I interupted some discussion.
It's always welcomed... Now to find out what's this true purpose...
EDIT:
Hey it wasn't me! :heh:
If I had wrote that script, 'onii-chan' would just be the appetizer of a much more colourful event....
After work of course.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 17:30
Another server crash?! :heh:
Anyway, the 'true purpose' is... Well in a sense it's both what people had expected and unexpected :heh:
As it turns out it's nothing to do with corruption :p
But as it ALSO turns out, people might be getting their TSAB destruction after all :heh:
Now, it's obviously going to be Regius's fault. I'm not saying he intended it, but it's going to be his fault.
Oh one more thing, I would personally advised not to take Hayate's words too seriously. Recall how people were convince all the signs pointed to Nanoha biting the dust?
I say the writers are just yanking our chains, which apparently seems to work.
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 17:35
Okay... so we learn more about Vivio, that Erio's not ready to be straight w/Caro about his past yet (who would?), and MORE FORESHADOWING
So far the biggest revelation of not just the ep, but the StrikerS series in general. It goes to the tune of "A King will perish, a Tower will fall, and a Ship will sink." Okay, time to break it down.
A King will Perish: There is a good amount of speculation that this refers to Hayate, and that she is the addressee of the line. However, I find this unlikely. In order to even get close to Hayate, they'd have to, at the very least, go through Rein and all four Wolkenritter, then take on Hayate herself. So, unless they're planning on killing her in one of those ignominious kinds of death, she's relatively safe.
Others, however, are not so well guarded. My guess is that King is reference to the position of the line's subject - someone in a very high position of power. There are at least six people that we can think of in that sort of position: Chrono, Lindy, the Legendary Three Admirals, and Carim herself.
Analysis of "King" likelihood:
Note: My guess as to the purpose of the "King" is to inspire MD6 to action; the death triggers the warpath response - we won't stop fighting until the fight is done. (See TV Tropes Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night to understand my thinking)
Chrono: Possible.
Why Yes: While he has had some screentime within the series, it's not been much considering that this first half as primarily dealt with training the rookies and the bureaucracy of TSAB. And while he IS an admiral, it's made evidently clear in 1st season that he is not as magically powerful as Nanoha or Fate (and therefore Hayate as well), and that means he'd be more likely to die in a straight up slugfest. Plus, he's an Admiral, and while he may not be as influential as the Legendary Three, he still wields considerable power within TSAB. Our ultimate villains (more on that later), if within TSAB, could see him as a potential threat and decide to have him eliminated. The fact that Chrono's now a family man doesn't make him immune; it would make his death more shocking a la FMA's Hughes.
Why No: On the other hand, Chrono's been an integral part of the series since the first season; killing him would inspire MD6 to action, but it would deprive the series of one of it's prime male leads, and cause all sorts of problems down the road unless they killed him like X's Sorata - right at the tail end. Plus, if TSAB's corrupt, it's going to need movers and shakers to clean up afterwards - and Chrono'd be a prime candidate.
Final Verdict: I think for the most part, Chrono's safe as long as he keeps himself away from the fighting - the fact that it'd cause several problems is an excellent deterrent.
Lindy: Somewhat Probable.
Why: Lindy's role in the series is really pretty much over - she's not even listed in the cast. But killing her would be a way to achieve substantial impact without the problems of dealing with one of the active characters - Lindy's been like a mother or aunt to a great deal of the cast, and that'd give the necessary impact.
Verdict: If she ever gets brought up within the series, or Earth does in reference to her, she's probably a goner. If she remains as invisible as she has been, however, she's safe.
The Legendary Three: No Way on two, Quite Possible on the other
Why: The only LegenThree Adm. vulnerable would be "Grandma" - it's her relationship with Hayate and MD6 that makes her a target. However, she IS legendary - it'd be a stretch for even one of her former comrades to take her out - assassination anyone?
Verdict: "Grandma"'s got a 50:50 chance of survival, just like Lindy.
Carim: Possible.
Why: Carim's played a major role in this series - she's MD6's connection to the Saint Church, and she's had a good amount of screen time. What puts her at risk, however, is her ability to see the future - the villains could see that as a threat and decide to take her out. Like Chrono, however, she'll be needed if TSAB's corrupt and needs cleaning up postseries.
Verdict: Carim's the dark horse candidate in all this - the long shot.
Final Verdict As to the "King:" The most likely choices right now are Chrono and "Grandma," with "Grandma" edging out only because of the problem's Chrono's death would cause.
A Tower Will Fall: The Tower has always been the place of sanctuary; it falling will mean that someone no longer has a place to stay.
What is the Tower?: In all likelihood, MD6's HQ. It's the place that we've come to know and love - and its loss means that MD6 is on the run, with no place to go.
A Ship Will Sink: This is probably in connection to the Tower; after the fall of MD6's HQ, they'll move to one of TSAB's ships for home. That ship will probably be used near the very end to accomplish some major objective a la Starcraft's Tassadar aboard the Gantrithor.
WHO ARE THE ENEMY?!: There are currently three parties who could be considered the true enemy: Scaglietti and the Numbers, the Client, or corrupt parts of TSAB.
You mean it's not Lutecia?: No. Lutecia has made it evidently clear that she's like a pirate; only in it for what she can get out of it. As the Mafia say, it's nothing personal; just business.
Scaglietti & the Numbers: They're similar to A's Wolkenritter; just here because they've got a job to do. They're the ones MD6 will end up fighting the most, but they're not the true villains, just the "enforcers."
The Client: No two ways about it - the Client is definitely the ultimate villain in this series. The question remains, though, who is the Client?
Is it TSAB?: Quite possibly. Our airhead Adm. and his secretary seem awfully hateful of Hayate and MD6 - but past experience has taught me that 8/10 times, the asshole is simply an asshole and nothing more. But there could be other factions within TSAB at work.
In Short: The Client is the One True Enemy, but we've no idea as to who that is at this point.
Just my thoughts on the matter.:D
Interesting points you've thrown here, but
I'm not sure Lindy is a probability and Chrono being killed? Nah. StrikerS already has a bad reputation because of its slow start, killing off Chrono would mean fans sending death threats to the director (a la Neon Genesis Evangelion) Carim snuffing it doesn't fit neither because if she's the Leader of The Saint Church, she's gotta be quite powerful and as far as we know, looks like she has about the same power as an Admiral. "Grandma" joining the Heavenly tea party sounds credible, but she's one of the "Legendary Admirals" and since she's female I'm guessing she's pretty powerful (Come on, everytime they put girls in this show they turn out to be hyper powerful, don't flame me :heh: )
My thoughts on the matter :D
As much as i like all the doom and gloom theories and how exciting such developments seem ... i can not, for the life of me, picture any of the main cast kicking the bucket. This just doesn't seem the series to do so. I can see all sorts of betrayals, mindrapes and what not happening, but in the end our heroes armed with friendship (aka superior firepower) are going to prevail :heh:
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 17:37
Another server crash?! :heh:
Anyway, the 'true purpose' is... Well in a sense it's both what people had expected and unexpected :heh:
As it turns out it's nothing to do with corruption :p
But as it ALSO turns out, people might be getting their TSAB destruction after all :heh:
Now, it's obviously going to be Regius's fault. I'm not saying he intended it, but it's going to be his fault.
Oh one more thing, I would personally advised not to take Hayate's words too seriously. Recall how people were convince all the signs pointed to Nanoha biting the dust?
I say the writers are just yanking our chains, which apparently seems to work.
indeed :heh: Them producers just love to do that to us don't they^^ They make one ep seem dull (ep 8 or 9 can't remember of hand) and it ends up being the most talked about ep ever. They show one thing and then go another route. Basically we won't know till its shown^^ Heck predictions don't always come true :heh: For certain thou is TSAB isn't going to fair well in the near future.
Fuyu no Sora
2007-06-24, 17:38
As much as i like all the doom and gloom theories and how exciting such developments seem ... i can not, for the life of me, picture any of the main cast kicking the bucket. This just doesn't seem the series to do so. I can see all sorts of betrayals, mindrapes and what not happening, but in the end our heroes armed with friendship (aka superior firepower) are going to prevail :heh:
Hear hear! :D. I'm betting the one who kicks the bucket in the end will be Genya. Like previously stated (by Chaos :D) he's the most prone to go and take a peek in God's Kingdom :heh: :D
Let the Starlight Breaker-ing BEGIN! :D :D
Nightengale
2007-06-24, 17:48
A King will perish doesn't neccesarily imply literal death of a King. Like all prophecy mumbo-jumbo, words are always cryptic in 2 ways or 3. Even if the King refers to Hayate, it could simply mean that Hayate would eventually lose her position as RF6's leader or even within TSAB. It has the possibility of working in-hand with Regius's current attempts to find dirt on Hayate. In other words, the King simply loses his throne and place as a King, but not the life.
However, even if "King" Hayate dies, it's not like the subjects will betray her or change allegiance. The Wolkies will stick to Hayate be it life or death, Nanoha and Fate are friends, and well...the rest, are young, idealistic and stupid....probably.
Of course, this only applies IF Hayate is King. She's not the sole user of AB, she's not the highest person in TSAB, and it's implied she's not even the most powerful strength-wise in TSAB, so there's a lot of different leeways around.
Last but not least...what's the greatest prophechy cliche ever? Prophecies are meant to be defied and changed. Be it with the power of courage, love, friendship, whatever...
And lookie here...what looks like will be Graham's only (( hopefully not )) StrikerS-related appearance (( pictures, but I'm easily satisfied )). And yes...it does have the "Graham may be dead" vibe. Well... even if that's the case, that's life.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 17:48
Hear hear! :D. I'm betting the one who kicks the bucket in the end will be Genya. Like previously stated (by Chaos :D) he's the most prone to go and take a peek in God's Kingdom :heh: :D
Let the Starlight Breaker-ing BEGIN! :D :D
If so, they're really smoke-screening their intentions well :heh:
Tossing their main characters all the way up front to throw us of track...
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 17:54
Yeah cryptic prophecies and things like that can really let you go all over the place with them. Something like a King could perish. Well a King is a source of power and absolute authority. Ruling over its subjects, making laws and generally just being the great power. Does the King in this case have to be a person like Hayte? Or are we simply talking about the fall of TSAB? Guys like Regius certainly seem to think of it as a ruling force. Could just be depicting the fall of TSAB.
I just can't see them getting rid of Chrono. This show has done a great job of giving doom and death for a majority of characters. First we have the death of Nanoha, and now all of this kind stuff going on.
Noppapana
2007-06-24, 17:56
I lol'ed when fate said onii-chan to chrono, he got that embarassed face
then he goes .. we arent children anymore
i am surprised that elio knows about the F project
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 18:02
As much as i like all the doom and gloom theories and how exciting such developments seem ... i can not, for the life of me, picture any of the main cast kicking the bucket. This just doesn't seem the series to do so. I can see all sorts of betrayals, mindrapes and what not happening, but in the end our heroes armed with friendship (aka superior firepower) are going to prevail :heh:
well non of the majors may die but think about the minors...vice, ginga, erio etc ~ would make the story a lot more interesting ;)
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 18:02
I lol'ed when fate said onii-chan to chrono, he got that embarassed face
then he goes .. we arent children anymore
And it'll be two days before the chinese subs comes up :( ...
i am surprised that elio knows about the F project
I guess either Fate had told him, or he already knows from the very start.
well non of the majors may die but think about the minors...vice, ginga, erio etc ~ would make the story a lot more interesting ;)
You just want to see Caro cry, don't you? :(
(:p)
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 18:12
Was honestly surprised they threw in the onii-chan part. Chrono's face was just priceless.
But yeah Fate probably clued him in somewhere along the way. Unless while he was in the lab they informed him what he was apart of. But yeah if Fate has the memories of Alicia, and Vivio probably has memories of someone as well, have to wonder about Erio in that.
With this series I just have a hard time seeing any of the forwards getting killed. Suppose anything can happen, but I doubt they'd go and make Caro upset like that.
Reiji Tabibito
2007-06-24, 18:13
You just want to see Caro cry, don't you? :(
(:p)
But of course! Loli's are just that much more adorable when equipped with the Power of Tears!
@ Fuyu no Sora:
Re: The King
I've gone over the thread and realized that you're right - Chrono's unlikely due to the popular factor; Lindy's practically nonexistent, "Grandma" could probably blow up a planet; and Carim = Admiral. I don't think that Genya's the "King;" not enough authority. "A King will Perish" is probably a metaphor after all.
Noppapana
2007-06-24, 18:13
just got finished
but what did Hayate say at the end ? it made me shiver for some reason ...
Deathkillz
2007-06-24, 18:19
You just want to see Caro cry, don't you? :(
(:p)
it will be a passing phase...next thing you know she will be the next yami no sho after her limiter breaks and tears into the main base of whoever that is crazy enough to have been responsible for his death...and when that is all done we have another free loli up for grabs! :p the death of one can make so many other feel that much more happier ^.^
kari-no-sugata
2007-06-24, 18:27
Seems a lot of peoples' brains froze when they heard Fate say "onii-chan"... to the extent that they didn't hear her call him "Chrono" just afterwards :D
Basically, she was definitely teasing him.
(Ahh, true fan-service...)
PS When Hayate saw Nanoha having trouble with Vivio, she commented "So even the Ace of Aces has an unbeatable opponent" :D
As far as the "King" speculation goes, having one of the previous or current primary cast die would seem to me to not fit in with the way the Nanoha franchise has gone so far.
And for Carim's prophecy in general, I believe Nanoha & Company will end up invoking the 33rd rule of the If I Become A Magical Girl (http://www.angelfire.com/anime/Slacker/girl.txt) list:
"I will not try to defy prophecy, as that never works. Rather, I will find a way to manipulate said prophecy to my favor."
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 18:34
But of course! Loli's are just that much more adorable when equipped with the Power of Tears!
it will be a passing phase...next thing you know she will be the next yami no sho after her limiter breaks and tears into the main base of whoever that is crazy enough to have been responsible for his death...and when that is all done we have another free loli up for grabs! :p the death of one can make so many other feel that much more happier ^.^
And people thought I was evil...
Seems a lot of peoples' brains froze when they heard Fate say "onii-chan"... to the extent that they didn't hear her call him "Chrono" just afterwards :D
Basically, she was definitely teasing him.
(Ahh, true fan-service...)
So... Fate has the habit of teasing Chrono...
... This might work in my favor :)
PS When Hayate saw Nanoha having trouble with Vivio, she commented "So even the Ace of Aces has an unbeatable opponent" :D
AH HA! SEE?! I was right!
Nanoha's not go with kids :D
Tier_Heulen
2007-06-24, 18:39
I don't know why but I get a feeling the church can't be trusted. Could it be that Carim's vision is in fact an atempt to create in fighting TSAB. If one of the Three Admirals were now to die (maybe secretly killed by the church) there would be chaos. The TSAB would now looks extremly guilty of being corupt after the content of this episode's 'vision'.
Making Hayate (and by extention RF6) choose between 'her people' and TSAB. So if RF6 were to fight the 'corupt' TSAB both would be majorly drained. Making the only group with enough clout to do the job afterwards the church. Quite possibly with a force of Relic empowered mages made by a certain mad scientist. :eyebrow:
Major paranoia or Devious plot :confused:
Ok... probably paranoia :heh:
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 18:43
woot yay got to see the raw^^ seeing as most people have already gone over the basics I'll just mention my thoughts on a few parts.
Agito's past - hard to tell who was experimenting on her but we do find out that Lutecia and Zest were together bofore that moment and that they have similar past in that there lone wolves.
Vivio - man can she wail^^ her VA has got that down pat, just the right annoying pitch that makes anyone crinze at the shear sound of it^^ brillient
"Onii-chan" - man Fate sure knows how to push Crono's buttons^^ nothing beats seeing it live lol that expression was priceless^^
Doom & Gloom - Poor Hayate, she sure feels its her thats meant to perish, but I dought it. I'm actually putting it on the a**h*** I mean Ragius (he was the one who spoke a view eps ago in an interview correct, I forgot) I do however feel it will be an inside job, most likely that secretary (she reminds me of Quttro, with the eyes and glasses) working under the client. Most likely he'll bite the dust along with the HQ and the blame will be placed on RF6 (speculation).
Preview - sigh, back to training, thou we get more bonding moments and the title hints at a relationship between Nanoha and Vivio (she already is quite attached to her to begin with). Looking forward to seeing the new op and ed.
Man. I was exhausted before I started watching and the episode almost put me to sleep a few times. I'll give it another watch after a nap to clear my head, but not really all that much happened, and it did it kind of slowly.
Cappsage.
http://blog.seiha.org/?p=154
Meophist
2007-06-24, 19:02
As much as i like all the doom and gloom theories and how exciting such developments seem ... i can not, for the life of me, picture any of the main cast kicking the bucket. This just doesn't seem the series to do so. I can see all sorts of betrayals, mindrapes and what not happening, but in the end our heroes armed with friendship (aka superior firepower) are going to prevail :heh:Actually, that's preciesely why I could see Nanoha dying. In order to protect Hayate, from herself.Last but not least...what's the greatest prophechy cliche ever? Prophecies are meant to be defied and changed. Be it with the power of courage, love, friendship, whatever...Isn't the greatest prophecy cliche that it will happen no matter what despite efforts to change it?
Avatar_notADV
2007-06-24, 19:17
Er... if you have an unspecified "king" dying, and an annoying higher-up named Regius... come on, I can't be the only one to see it. ;p
Er... if you have an unspecified "king" dying, and an annoying higher-up named Regius... come on, I can't be the only one to see it. ;p
Seconded! I mean... his death will be remembered (and celebrated).
Actually, that's preciesely why I could see Nanoha dying. In order to protect Hayate, from herself.Isn't the greatest prophecy cliche that it will happen no matter what despite efforts to change it?
I think the greatest prophecy cliche is that they're always misinterpreted.
Well, except for in X. :p
Demon Eyes
2007-06-24, 19:22
Anyone has a link to some caps please?!!
My connection toned down due to download limit and I can't download anything over kilobytes
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 19:22
Er... if you have an unspecified "king" dying, and an annoying higher-up named Regius... come on, I can't be the only one to see it. ;p
Thats were I'm i'm starting to look (not gonna throw Nanoha out of the equation). He is afterall a big shot (seen in the interview) and he is in set Towers in question. I go back to what I said a few posts ago and say he bites the dust via inside job set to make RF6 look like the bad guys despite all their support. But were a few eps away from getting our answer so speculate away :D
Meophist
2007-06-24, 19:27
Er... if you have an unspecified "king" dying, and an annoying higher-up named Regius... come on, I can't be the only one to see it. ;p
I think that's being way too optimistic.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 19:35
Isn't the greatest prophecy cliche that it will happen no matter what despite efforts to change it?
Not completely though, the prophecy would carry on no matter what, but how it would end is a changable.
I think that's being way too optimistic.
I think it's too obvious... All a sudden they have this one bastard on stand-by when a prophecy like that comes around?
He would be the cause, but it's not his intention, That's my take on this whole affair.
Village Idiot
2007-06-24, 19:36
Thing is, from the way Hayate acted in the last part of the episode, she is likely ironically going to be the one whom will cause the prophecy to come true, by aiming on becoming the king in the first place.
In the end, her friends will probably talk some sense into her, by telling her that she is doing nothing but running away and accepting the prophecy, rather than fighting and preventing it from becoming true.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 19:42
Thing is, from the way Hayate acted in the last part of the episode, she is likely ironically going to be the one whom will cause the prophecy to come true, by aiming on becoming the king in the first place.
In the end, her friends will probably talk some sense into her, by telling her that she is doing nothing but running away and accepting the prophecy, rather than fighting and preventing it from becoming true.
Thinking about it, how would Jail, his numbers, and Team Lutecia fit into all this?
Not liking an all out attack for sure, they couldn't even handle RF6, let alone the whole of TSAB...
Said, did that prophecy even said anything about betrayal to begin with?
kari-no-sugata
2007-06-24, 19:55
I'm not sure if the future readings are something guaranteed to happen, or if they are more like warnings...?
Of course, they are somewhat vague anyway...
I wonder if our new loli is going to play a major part in affecting those future predictions - she seems to have some unusual powers if she can possibly survive a S-class blast.
PS We got an inspection coming up soon. Anyone see a certain jerk making snide comments about a certain dead brother right in front of that brother's sister...? (And with a certain baka guaranteed to be beside her...)
Village Idiot
2007-06-24, 19:57
Prophecy's tend to be:
a) Misinterpreted
b) Paradox, whereas when one tries to prepare and prevent the prophecy from coming true, in fact, causes said prophecy
c) When coming from a 3rd party/word of mouth, what the prophecy says isn't important. Its whats not being said thats whats really important
d) Actually true (ie: X/1999)
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 19:59
I'm not sure if the future readings are something guaranteed to happen, or if they are more like warnings...?
Of course, they are somewhat vague anyway...
In fiction, they have a 95% occurence possbility :heh:
But they don't always mean what they sound.
I wonder if our new loli is going to play a major part in affecting those future predictions - she seems to have some unusual powers if she can possibly survive a S-class blast.
I'm thinking some kind of host for a superior being...
... You know, one of THOSE ... :heh:
PS We got an inspection coming up soon. Anyone see a certain jerk making snide comments about a certain dead brother right in front of that brother's sister...? (And with a certain baka guaranteed to be beside her...)
That's an interesting thought!
All of the rookies has some 'dirt' that he could take advantage of...
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 20:07
Yeah it's not like RF6 members don't have any pasts that could be brought up. Hayate and her knights involved in YnS incident, Fate with the jewel seed incident, Teana's brother and Subaru wanting to protect her partner. Caro has her past and whatever is known within the TSAB ranks about Erio's origins. Anything could happen during an inspection so we'll have to keep an eye on that.
Prophecies are just a headache. You try to stop them and they come true because of that. Have to think the new loli will have a role outside of being attached to Nanoha. Could be some hidden power that could cause some problems, or related to the relics. Hard to say beyond random speculation.
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 20:24
I'm not sure if the future readings are something guaranteed to happen, or if they are more like warnings...?
Of course, they are somewhat vague anyway...
I wonder if our new loli is going to play a major part in affecting those future predictions - she seems to have some unusual powers if she can possibly survive a S-class blast.
PS We got an inspection coming up soon. Anyone see a certain jerk making snide comments about a certain dead brother right in front of that brother's sister...? (And with a certain baka guaranteed to be beside her...)
you know I really never thought about that but ya I could see that happening which would only fuel things, man Regius could really cause major problems if starts to pull that sort of s****. Would make things very interesting and help push the prophicy forward.
Sailor Enlil
2007-06-24, 20:31
Geez, the "element of corruption" starting to crop up, and just after I dug up some old memories and played a very old PC game just for nostalgia. The game was Wing Commander IV - The Price of Freedom (released way back in the 90's when most PC's still had MS-DOS and a few started using Windows 95), and coincidentally, had a similar element of corruption in the high command in the story (i.e. the Terran Confederation [the administrative region of space centered on Earth] military has some rogue elements trying to start a war with non-ConFed regions, and the player/protagonist [Col. Christopher Blair] and friends have to defect to the current "opposition", the Union of Border Worlds, to get to the bottom of things, and eventually expose the traitor, none other than the ConFed top official, Adm. Geoffry Tolwyn).
Will Nanoha and the rest of RF6 have to go through the same thing?
As for the grammatical issue of the word "children" in the title of the next episode, recall Neon Genesis Evangelion and the designations of the Eva Pilots (i.e. 1st Children Rei Ayanami, 2nd Children Shinji Ikari, and 3rd Children Asuka Langley Sohryu).
Meophist
2007-06-24, 20:40
Prophecy's tend to be:
a) Misinterpreted
b) Paradox, whereas when one tries to prepare and prevent the prophecy from coming true, in fact, causes said prophecy
c) When coming from a 3rd party/word of mouth, what the prophecy says isn't important. Its whats not being said thats whats really important
d) Actually true (ie: X/1999)Don't these all say "It'll become true"? In any case, b isn't a paradox, it's simply irony.
Serenity85
2007-06-24, 20:51
Don't these all say "It'll become true"? In any case, b isn't a paradox, it's simply irony.
a but prohecies do tend to have some form of truth to them which ever way you look at it. Its just a question of getting the correct translation before its to late (this happens about 0.1% of the time).
Actually Higurashi is a good anime for this as in all arcs in anime form and game the idea is to prevent the great disaster by preventing the pre-determined outcome. The only time you can prevent the doom is if you know the true enemy which we don't know yet.
Meophist
2007-06-24, 20:56
a but prohecies do tend to have some form of truth to them which ever way you look at it.That's true. Whatever's determined by fate happens regardless of other factors. One simply needs to hope that fate favours you rather than them.
Hi , I am new here and I already watched this episode. There are few thing that I would like to say about the prediction mentioned by Carim:
The king might noy only represent one person but it might represent a few people at once like the 3 admiral. It might also be the civilians.
The tower might represent a structure and the possible structure could be the organaizational structure of TSAB.
The lost of support is the same as the sinking of a ship. When a ship sink, the people on board of it will lose their support on the sea.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 23:10
So... If I'm not wrong... the server has already been down three times :heh:
@mechdra
Welcome :) don't be shy, though watch out for land mines...
*cough*
Okay, generally 'King' = Authority figure, that much we all agree. Though that kind of power could mean combat or political power.
...
You know, 12 hours ago, I would never imagine we would turn into an occult club :heh:
Meophist
2007-06-24, 23:26
So... If I'm not wrong... the server has already been down three times :heh:It's been rather annoying…Okay, generally 'King' = Authority figure, that much we all agree. Though that kind of power could mean combat or political power.Combat power usually doesn't translate directly to authorative power, at least not in any modern society. Particuarly in chess, the King is not the most powerful in combat, but the most important.
FlareKnight
2007-06-24, 23:27
Haha yeah the server has gone down a couple times.
Problem with something vague like a king is unless there is a literal king you have to make some guesses. All we've got is that king is some kind of authority figure. Be it a person, or a structure like TSAB. Maybe they are vague so when something even remotely similar happens they can go "yeah this is what we predicted."
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-24, 23:35
Combat power usually doesn't translate directly to authorative power, at least not in any modern society. Particuarly in chess, the King is not the most powerful in combat, but the most important.
That's true, but the title 'King' has also been given to whoever is best at their field. And the most popular field in this case is the use of magic.
We can't rule that out either.
Problem with something vague like a king is unless there is a literal king you have to make some guesses. All we've got is that king is some kind of authority figure. Be it a person, or a structure like TSAB. Maybe they are vague so when something even remotely similar happens they can go "yeah this is what we predicted."
Well, that's the trick isn't it? To leave things vague :p
And when the slightest thing that could be linked appears, people start panicing and become paranoid...
I mean, look at us! :D
midnightlumina
2007-06-24, 23:59
...or maybe Carim's just manipulating the whole situation...kinda like Eriol
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 00:04
...or maybe Carim's just manipulating the whole situation...kinda like Eriol
It would be safer to stick within the possiblities of the current scenario :heh:
Randomly pointing fingers really isn't... :heh:
About the King thing, wasn't Vivio said to be possibly a "Holy Empress" or something like that? If antagonists start to build a monarchy out of nowhere the "king" may well appear in their ranks... Or maybe it's just Vivio.
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 00:25
Gods, We are still not out of the gloom yet, I guess this week will be prediction on who and how they die..........
I doubt any of our trio is the so called "King", the 3 admirals bite the dust seems far more likely to me then Nanoha and Hayate........
However it is almost given that TSAB will undergo a major power shift when this is all over and it also raises the chances that mobile division six go into comflict with TSAB or at least part of it.....
From a transcript I'm reading 死せる王の下, 圣地より彼の翼が苏る
I wonder if this 圣地 (Holy Land) refers to Al Hazard....
Gods, We are still not out of the gloom yet, I guess this week will be prediction on who and how they die..........
I doubt any of our trio is the so called "King", the 3 admirals bite the dust seems far more likely to me then Nanoha and Hayate........
However it is almost given that TSAB will undergo a major power shift when this is all over and it also raises the chances that mobile division six go into comflict with TSAB or at least part of it.....
From a transcript I'm reading
I wonder if this 圣地 (Holy Land) refers to Al Hazard....See the OC thread for more details. Once again Ivory has taken ideas right out of our heads. Either that, or somebody in this forum works for Ivory.
(Paranoia Maximum)
Big Brother is watching us...
If Ivory's gonna steal our ideas again, I'd say that's either El Hazard, or the "Promised Land" of the Velka, like Israel.
Wow I looked at the official Triad page. I don't know why StrikerS is the only discontinued thing they dropped with the reason being... 6 words long. Yes. 6 words.
Bleh. Someone should firebomb their houses. <_< Yesssss. Firebombing solves all... Hey are the RAWs on Veoh yet?
I must admit I've wondered if eventually Triad might start to think about having dropped this. Other series or multiseries I know of that they've discontinued had far better reason: in the one I remember best, that reason was the fact that everyone who saw even the first part dreamt of murdering the freak who created it...
Nanoha IS somewhat slow, but only if you compare it to smaller series. Really, I think its pace is rather typical for 26-eps. If a 12-ep generally takes 3 to 5 episodes to set up all the different aspects of the basic story and then another 3-5 to develop the plot and set up the path to victory before the final eps throw all rules out the window, then a 26-ep would likely do 8 to 10, with each section developing like a separate piece in similar fashion. On the plus side this means they can be much more thorough in setting up the backgrounds and dynamics, but on the minus it can seem like forever before things get "serious". Really the timing seems typical. In the first couple eps the very basics are set. Then, through 6 or 7, the general conflict starts to develop. Finally, in 8 and 9, things get really messy as we start to see how things are.
Anyway, can't wait to see this subbed. I'm having a little trouble what they're saying about Fate and little people when she saves Nanoha from the blond creature trying to permanently attach to her.
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 01:04
See the OC thread for more details. Once again Ivory has taken ideas right out of our heads. Either that, or somebody in this forum works for Ivory.
(Paranoia Maximum)
Big Brother is watching us...
If Ivory's gonna steal our ideas again, I'd say that's either El Hazard, or the "Promised Land" of the Velka, like Israel.
I can feel the taint of OC thread even here so I'll pass on that offer thank you very much :p.
And since there are people linking 彼の翼 with Dragon summoners I wonder how will Caro tie it to this too....
Caro will probably be the key to activate the gate to the holy land. A summoner job is to summon and summoning the gate to the holy land is the job of the summoner.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 01:46
Cao will probably be the key to activate the gate to the holy land. A summoner job is to summon and summoning the gate to the holy land is the job of the summoner.
That might be true, but you've picked the wrong summoner to bet on :p
You'll need a VELKA summoner, seeing has how Velka magic and their users seem to swing that way...
Avatar_notADV
2007-06-25, 02:44
Guys, I think you missed my point. I'm not saying "geez, there's this annoying guy, wouldn't it be great if he's who the prophecy was talking about?" I'm saying, "Hm, they're talking about a 'king', you don't suppose... it's the guy named King?"
Granted that we're dealing with the Japanese and that it's entirely possible that it's a coincidence. And there's also a Toyota Regius van, which sticks with the naming protocol. But why Regius? It -means- "royal" in Latin, man!
If it's not that, then boo on the Japanese for putting a big ol' red herring in there. (And if it is, possibly boo for being too obvious to somebody who can trace a linguistic root?)
tshouryuu
2007-06-25, 03:07
I'm rather late in replying but about the prophecy, I had a slightly different interpretation.
A King will perish <-- My guess the King referred here is Vivio, since the Numbers refer her as the possible seioh. With her death, this will lead to the next part which is...
A Tower will fall <-- I don't think the tower here refers to a structure but to a person instead. My guess is that the 'tower' is referring to Hayate who because of the death of the 'King', will lose (will 'fall') enough reputation and prestige that the a**h*** of a general will use this opportunity to destroy RF6, leading to ...
A Ship will sink <-- The downfall of RF6. Here, I believe 'ship' refers to RF6 and with the sinking of this ship, the group will not only have to fight against Jail and his numbers, Lutecia and the organization but also against the TSAB itself.
PS. Its a bit sad that out of so many females, only Fate is able to handle a child. Though to be fair, she does have memories of a kind motherly Precia from Alicia and have experience with children unlike the rest whose mothers have either died when young (Teana, Subaru, Hayate) or not available (Nanoha, Caro).
PPS. The look on Kyon's Chrono's face when Fate calls him Onii-chan is priceless.:heehee: I wonder if that look he got was because he is being teased by being called onii-chan or because he was surprised at being called onii-chan instead of Ky**.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 03:35
PS. Its a bit sad that out of so many females, only Fate is able to handle a child. Though to be fair, she does have memories of a kind motherly Precia from Alicia and have experience with children unlike the rest whose mothers have either died when young (Teana, Subaru, Hayate) or not available (Nanoha, Caro).
Nanoha's mother has been available :heh: And it's not like she Neglects Nanoha at all.
It's not about memories, but rather practical experience :p And obviously Fate has to most out of all of them in that field.
Just because you've seen what a mother can/should do, doesn't mean you'll automatically become a pro :heh: (As I've found out the hard way...) It's something you need to experience it for yourself to learn.
PPS. The look on Kyon's Chrono's face when Fate calls him Onii-chan is priceless.:heehee: I wonder if that look he got was because he is being teased by being called onii-chan or because he was surprised at being called onii-chan instead of Ky**.
I believe people had been waiting months to actually see Chrono's reaction on screen :)
Sigh, too bad they nerf the 'Yuuichi' side of him... If not his 'comeback' would've been awesome :p
LoweGear
2007-06-25, 03:36
Why must I put up with these eyecancerous raws? :(
Impressions:
- Still wondering what they were supposed to be doing to Agito... though Lutecia jacket pull wins Zest over once again :D
- I thought Agito swearing vengeance on Rein was bad... until I saw that she did so pouting :heh:
- Way to overreact there Schach, blasting out the window and posing with your blade tonfas in style... just to make a lost little girl cry :heh: She's dangerous I tell ya...
- Also, damn Vivio already ranks as a 10000 moegaton Kawaii superweapon (asides from the unusual pantyshot, which I don't need ichibaka's eyes to see :heh:)
...what?...
- bet Fate and Hayate never expected a crying Vivio clinging unto Nanoha to be the first sight they'll see :heh: LOTS of priceless expressions here :D
- Ala, Fate shows off her motherly side... and while I didn't understand what they're saying, seems Fate's experience came from taking care of Caro and Elio (alas, why those two are blushing :heh: ).
- I thought I saw a ferret in that eyecatch that looked like Yuuno for some reason... :eyebrow:
- Subaru and Teana writing reports as expected... but TEANA FINGER FLICK has POWER :eek:
- "Onii-chan, genki da ta?"
And Fate Wins :D
- In taking care of Vivio, I'm already getting a husband and wife vibe from Elio and Caro... at least they have EXPERIENCE :D
*runs*
- "Prophet Shift"? This is the part I need subs... but still Carim exudes coolness in this scene.
- Regius' secretary really is growing more and more suspicious every second, mumbling something her boss didn't hear...
- For some reason, Vivio running to Nanoha when she returned was a heartwarming scene :)
- Rather ominous ending with Hayate there... reminiscing as she looked at her photo album (Graham, you're really showing your age now :twitch: ).
Damn... the best parts of the episodes needs subs :(
~ tshouryuu
Nanoha's mother didn't die, and she was still on earth at that age.
Fate's *whispering voice* "Conichiwa" (or whatever it's spelled) is culprit here.
But I like your theory.
Still want to see that big old building go down.
The king might not be a person, but the hole of TSAB.
~ LoweGear
With the really low quality in RAWs I don't blame the slow subbing.
Even the best I've seen had some shaking in them. With rest artifact-hell.
The plot is getting too hard to understand without subs.........darn.
Nightengale
2007-06-25, 03:47
Graham's being showing his age ever since 4 years ago... Unlike Lindy, the staff members are bent on making him look as old as he should be... even the 3 Admirals look younger than him.
And while the speculations are nice...aren't we all missing bits of the prophecy? Mellow RG said that the full one goes...
a king shall fall and wings shall be revived from the holy land
the dead shall dance as the tower that lies within the middle earth is burned down
following that, ships that sail the infinite seas shall sink
My first thought was Nanoha = King, Revived Wings = Vivio... Granted, there are tons of holes with that interpretation. And the dancing dead? Are they implying countless lifeless Drones will be parading while the Tower goes hellfire down? Or is it the Numbers who are apparently not mages.
The King's line can be taken in many ways, but I hope the Tower and Ship's actual representation are larger than what RF6, Carim are assuming they're going to be.
And seeing how Subaru gauging the Numbers... looks like they're made to fight under AMF situations. Oh boy.
FlameSparkZ
2007-06-25, 03:56
This episode was fun to watch, Schach really jumped the gun here.
I can already imagine 5 4koma out of this episode:
- When Agito is remembering the past, after she's saved, Lutecia comments that she'd be better company than "muscle narcisist Zest" :heh:
- Nanoha using her "gentle smile - scared child version" to calm Vivio down
- Fate calls Chrono "Onii-chan" and he gets a massive nosebleed
- Fate convincing Vivio to "LET GO OF MY NANOHA!!!" (with Zamber ready)
- Erio think of Vivio's origins and Project F, and Caro gets jealous because he's looking at Vivio :heh:
And near the end, we saw Hayate checkig the photo album, we saw Graham and the Lieze twins in their cat form :D
Looking forward to the next episode too :D
LoweGear
2007-06-25, 03:56
The dead shall dance?
:twitch:
Necrons?!?!?!?!!?!
:eek:
*harisen'd to reality*
That's an intriguing line though... could it possibly refer to the results of Project F? Since if it's still the same Project that Precia worked on, then somehow it ties in, since it was supposed to be research on Artificial Humans, and also involves the raising of the dead...
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 03:57
Graham's being showing his age ever since 4 years ago... Unlike Lindy, the staff members are bent on making him look as old as he should be... even the 3 Admirals look younger than him.
Since we did speculate Graham biting the dust long before the season started I guess we all expected this to happen.... Still that puts to rest of Mahou Shounen Lyrical Graham...... Still have bad dreams regarding this.....
And while the speculations are nice...aren't we all missing bits of the prophecy? Mellow RG said that the full one goes...
Stole from Jap wiki lets try to pick it apart once again....
旧い結晶と無限の欲望が交わる地
死せる王の下、聖地より彼の翼が蘇る
死者達は踊り、中つ大地の法の塔は虚しく焼け落ち
それを先駆けに数多の海を守る法の船は砕け落ちる
I'll leave the translation to someone else I think... I tried but while I can get it to Chinese, English is kinda hard.....
FlameSparkZ
2007-06-25, 04:00
Or is it the Numbers who are apparently not mages.
Yeah, it seems the Numbers use a different type of power, other than magic...could it be, science? :heh:
That would shake the foundations of the theories that fans made...
Nightengale
2007-06-25, 04:00
Since we did speculate Graham biting the dust long before the season started I guess we all expected this to happen.... Still that puts to rest of Mahou Shounen Lyrical Graham...... Still have bad dreams regarding this.....
You do know I was talking about a prequel with shota Graham right...? :heh:
Anyway, it's off-topic. There's no proof Graham's dead, until clearly shown otherwise. Not like he'll have any genuine role in this story either.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 04:04
Graham's being showing his age ever since 4 years ago... Unlike Lindy, the staff members are bent on making him look as old as he should be... even the 3 Admirals look younger than him.
Burns, doesn't it?
And while the speculations are nice...aren't we all missing bits of the prophecy? Mellow RG said that the full one goes...
Finally, the full thing...
"the dead shall dance as the tower that lies within the middle earth is burned down"
"The dead shall dance" = The numbers that have been revived by Project F. :D
"The tower that lies within the middle earth" = Wasn't their headquarters a tall building? And middle earth... Mid-Childa :)
"following that, ships that sail the infinite seas shall sink" = The Navy warships that sail the dimensions - the 'endless sea'.
So, how many people's going to prove me wrong ? :heh: THough brilliant isn't it? Ground forces would go first, then the Navy...
EDIT:
Damn, I type slow :heh:
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 04:24
You do know I was talking about a prequel with shota Graham right...? :heh:
Anyway, it's off-topic. There's no proof Graham's dead, until clearly shown otherwise. Not like he'll have any genuine role in this story either.
But he's British :heh:, no offence to those who are also British.....
"the dead shall dance as the tower that lies within the middle earth is burned down"
"The dead shall dance" = The numbers that have been revived by Project F.
"The tower that lies within the middle earth" = Wasn't their headquarters a tall building? And middle earth... Mid-Childa
"following that, ships that sail the infinite seas shall sink" = The Navy warships that sail the dimensions - the 'endless sea'.
So, how many people's going to prove me wrong ? THough brilliant isn't it? Ground forces would go first, then the Navy...
Line 1, 3 and 4 seems clear, unless Carim and our interpretations are completly off. but who are they refering to this the word "King". and what does that relates to Holy land....
tshouryuu
2007-06-25, 04:47
~ tshouryuu
Nanoha's mother didn't die, and she was still on earth at that age.
Fate's *whispering voice* "Conichiwa" (or whatever it's spelled) is culprit here.
But I like your theory.
Still want to see that big old building go down.
The king might not be a person, but the hole of TSAB.
~ LoweGear
With the really low quality in RAWs I don't blame the slow subbing.
Even the best I've seen had some shaking in them. With rest artifact-hell.
I never said Nanoha's mother is dead. I said not available. If I recall correctly, Nanoha's mother was busy at their shop when the father was badly injured and in hospital and Nanoha herself said that she was alone for most of the time and had to take care of herself.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 05:52
Line 1, 3 and 4 seems clear, unless Carim and our interpretations are completly off. but who are they refering to this the word "King". and what does that relates to Holy land....
"a king shall fall and wings shall be revived from the holy land"
King
I'm compelled to believe Vivio's the 'king' in this scenario because of what the Numbers called her.
Holy Land
"Holy Land"... Unless somebody can point to another place, I think Al Hazard, the land that could grant any wishes, counts as 'holy'.
Wings
At this point in time, I don't think they have revealed the "wings" of this scenario, but base on the previous two text, and the statements of random villians...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1, Vivio is like a medium (The numbers called her the material).
2, Jail needs a summoner for something, that's where Lutecia comes in.
3, "revived from the holy land", they're going to summon/bring fore something from Al Hazard.
Conclusion: They're going to sacrificed Vivio to bring something LEET into this world...
... The "wings".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*pant pant*
Okay, I've played the Conspiracy game, how do I fair?
EDIT:
brb, watching "24" :heh:
Estavali
2007-06-25, 06:00
@Draco_emp:
How about posting your Chinese translation here? I believe there's a fair number of us here who also know the language (me inclusive), so someone else might be able to help further-translate it to English. And if not, at least more of us can get a better idea what the heck the actual moonspeak was about.
A humble suggestion :).
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 06:17
"a king shall fall and wings shall be revived from the holy land"
King
I'm compelled to believe Vivio's the 'king' in this scenario because of what the Numbers called her.
Holy Land
"Holy Land"... Unless somebody can point to another place, I think Al Hazard, the land that could grant any wishes, counts as 'holy'.
Wings
At this point in time, I don't think they have revealed the "wings" of this scenario, but base on the previous two text, and the statements of random villians...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
1, Vivio is like a medium (The numbers called her the material).
2, Jail needs a summoner for something, that's where Lutecia comes in.
3, "revived from the holy land", they're going to summon/bring fore something from Al Hazard.
Conclusion: They're going to sacrificed Vivio to bring something LEET into this world...
... The "wings".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*pant pant*
Okay, I've played the Conspiracy game, how do I fair?
EDIT:
brb, watching "24" :heh:
I do admit Vivio does seems to be likely to be related to "king" however my rational self says the cute loli will never die :heh:.
To add a cat amongst pigeons, maybe instead of Jail, maybe someone from TSAB hint hint kills Vivio for some evil goals triggering the Aces goes on the path of destruction....
@Draco_emp:
How about posting your Chinese translation here? I believe there's a fair number of us here who also know the language (me inclusive), so someone else might be able to help further-translate it to English. And if not, at least more of us can get a better idea what the heck the actual moonspeak was about.
A humble suggestion .
Good idea I was just about to send Chaos a copy for his option on what is closer to the orginal text....
EDIT:
太古的結晶與無限的欲望交集之地
已死之王的翅膀從聖地復活
死者起舞，中間大地的法塔無奈地焚毀
隨後，守護眾多海洋的船也將崩潰
舊的結晶與無限的欲望交匯之地
在死之王之下, 他的翼將在聖地甦醒
死者們正在起舞, 中央大地的法之塔將會燒燼
它的先驅, 守護無數大海的法之船也會四散.
This is the two that some people have done....
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 06:36
Okay... so we learn more about Vivio, that Erio's not ready to be straight w/Caro about his past yet (who would?), and MORE FORESHADOWING
So far the biggest revelation of not just the ep, but the StrikerS series in general. It goes to the tune of "A King will perish, a Tower will fall, and a Ship will sink." Okay, time to break it down.
A King will Perish: There is a good amount of speculation that this refers to Hayate, and that she is the addressee of the line. However, I find this unlikely. In order to even get close to Hayate, they'd have to, at the very least, go through Rein and all four Wolkenritter, then take on Hayate herself. So, unless they're planning on killing her in one of those ignominious kinds of death, she's relatively safe.
Others, however, are not so well guarded. My guess is that King is reference to the position of the line's subject - someone in a very high position of power. There are at least six people that we can think of in that sort of position: Chrono, Lindy, the Legendary Three Admirals, and Carim herself.
Analysis of "King" likelihood:
Note: My guess as to the purpose of the "King" is to inspire MD6 to action; the death triggers the warpath response - we won't stop fighting until the fight is done. (See TV Tropes Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night to understand my thinking)
Chrono: Possible.
Why Yes: While he has had some screentime within the series, it's not been much considering that this first half as primarily dealt with training the rookies and the bureaucracy of TSAB. And while he IS an admiral, it's made evidently clear in 1st season that he is not as magically powerful as Nanoha or Fate (and therefore Hayate as well), and that means he'd be more likely to die in a straight up slugfest. Plus, he's an Admiral, and while he may not be as influential as the Legendary Three, he still wields considerable power within TSAB. Our ultimate villains (more on that later), if within TSAB, could see him as a potential threat and decide to have him eliminated. The fact that Chrono's now a family man doesn't make him immune; it would make his death more shocking a la FMA's Hughes.
Why No: On the other hand, Chrono's been an integral part of the series since the first season; killing him would inspire MD6 to action, but it would deprive the series of one of it's prime male leads, and cause all sorts of problems down the road unless they killed him like X's Sorata - right at the tail end. Plus, if TSAB's corrupt, it's going to need movers and shakers to clean up afterwards - and Chrono'd be a prime candidate.
Final Verdict: I think for the most part, Chrono's safe as long as he keeps himself away from the fighting - the fact that it'd cause several problems is an excellent deterrent.
Lindy: Somewhat Probable.
Why: Lindy's role in the series is really pretty much over - she's not even listed in the cast. But killing her would be a way to achieve substantial impact without the problems of dealing with one of the active characters - Lindy's been like a mother or aunt to a great deal of the cast, and that'd give the necessary impact.
Verdict: If she ever gets brought up within the series, or Earth does in reference to her, she's probably a goner. If she remains as invisible as she has been, however, she's safe.
The Legendary Three: No Way on two, Quite Possible on the other
Why: The only LegenThree Adm. vulnerable would be "Grandma" - it's her relationship with Hayate and MD6 that makes her a target. However, she IS legendary - it'd be a stretch for even one of her former comrades to take her out - assassination anyone?
Verdict: "Grandma"'s got a 50:50 chance of survival, just like Lindy.
Carim: Possible.
Why: Carim's played a major role in this series - she's MD6's connection to the Saint Church, and she's had a good amount of screen time. What puts her at risk, however, is her ability to see the future - the villains could see that as a threat and decide to take her out. Like Chrono, however, she'll be needed if TSAB's corrupt and needs cleaning up postseries.
Verdict: Carim's the dark horse candidate in all this - the long shot.
Final Verdict As to the "King:" The most likely choices right now are Chrono and "Grandma," with "Grandma" edging out only because of the problem's Chrono's death would cause.
A Tower Will Fall: The Tower has always been the place of sanctuary; it falling will mean that someone no longer has a place to stay.
What is the Tower?: In all likelihood, MD6's HQ. It's the place that we've come to know and love - and its loss means that MD6 is on the run, with no place to go.
A Ship Will Sink: This is probably in connection to the Tower; after the fall of MD6's HQ, they'll move to one of TSAB's ships for home. That ship will probably be used near the very end to accomplish some major objective a la Starcraft's Tassadar aboard the Gantrithor.
WHO ARE THE ENEMY?!: There are currently three parties who could be considered the true enemy: Scaglietti and the Numbers, the Client, or corrupt parts of TSAB.
You mean it's not Lutecia?: No. Lutecia has made it evidently clear that she's like a pirate; only in it for what she can get out of it. As the Mafia say, it's nothing personal; just business.
Scaglietti & the Numbers: They're similar to A's Wolkenritter; just here because they've got a job to do. They're the ones MD6 will end up fighting the most, but they're not the true villains, just the "enforcers."
The Client: No two ways about it - the Client is definitely the ultimate villain in this series. The question remains, though, who is the Client?
Is it TSAB?: Quite possibly. Our airhead Adm. and his secretary seem awfully hateful of Hayate and MD6 - but past experience has taught me that 8/10 times, the asshole is simply an asshole and nothing more. But there could be other factions within TSAB at work.
In Short: The Client is the One True Enemy, but we've no idea as to who that is at this point.
Just my thoughts on the matter.:D
After reading all the posts in this thread so far, seems like the plot for StrikerS has really gotten thick...and when I mean thick, its really gotten to a point where we might lose a memorable character by the end of this show, unless it is averted some how...
Haven't seen the RAW yet, but hoping to see it soon, and Carim's prophecy is something that is out of the blue...we get a big fight, and after that, we get a prophecy thats sure to put everyone in paranoia mode again.(the first paranoia mode was about Nanoha's injuries and health issues throughout the first half of this season)
hmmm, the terms, "King","Tower",and "ship"...vague? YES, but enough to make a lot of assumptions and speculations until we get an answer...
BTW, it was mentioned that Hayate was acting a bit strange in this episode...hmmm...
As for Agito... IF Thisguy doesn't change his script, it would be that she's a "Genuine Ancient Velka Unison Device" but was being treated as if a replica.Hmm...
I rather thought that Zest meant something like a "recently-made Unison Device" with the word "Replica", not how researchers treated her.
But well, misinterpletion is what this whole thread is about anyway, which could go to both you and me :heh:
旧い結晶と無限の欲望が交わる地
死せる王の下、聖地より彼の翼が蘇る
死者達は踊り、中つ大地の法の塔は虚しく焼け落ち
それを先駆けに数多の海を守る法の船は砕け落ちるOh thanks, you spared my time looking for transcript through 2ch.
Here's my attempt at it... upside is it's not bypassing Chinese, downside is my hopeless engrishness.
In the land where the Ancient Crystal (Jewel?) and Infinite Desire crosses,
Under the Deceased King, the Wing will be revived from the Holy Land.
Deceaseds dance, the Tower of Law in the Central Ground (Central World?) collapses in vain.
Followed by that, the Ship of Law that protects the countless sea will be broken apart.Carim interpleted it as "An incident occurs with influence of a LL (Relic?), which will result in destruction of TSAB Ground Center followed by destruction of TSAB Navy".
Hmm... even in original language, there're so many way to interplet it so that I don't know what to say :heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 06:53
I do admit Vivio does seems to be likely to be related to "king" however my rational self says the cute loli will never die :heh:.
To add a cat amongst pigeons, maybe instead of Jail, maybe someone from TSAB hint hint kills Vivio for some evil goals triggering the Aces goes on the path of destruction....
She doesn't have to die, the "wings" could be something that can't manifest into this world without a host.
And what better host than one than could shrug off an S ranked attack?
And I'm not afraid of cats (the animal) , unless you have a better person in mind to counter my theory, Jail or his Client would be the most likely suspects base on their statements...
EDIT:
And sorry, I still haven't get that Language pack up yet :heh:
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 07:02
Hmm... even in original language, there're so many way to interplet it so that I don't know what to say :heh:
:heh:, If you translate it to another language then to another language and then to english its when worse with the placing of "and" and ","....
My try in chinese if anyone is still interested.... (petty bad through)
旧的结晶和无限的欲望的交换之地
在王的死之下，？？的羽在圣地苏醒
死者在舞，大地中心的塔会烧落
以它为先造在无限的海上守护的船也沉落。
And I'm not afraid of cats (the animal) , unless you have a better person in mind to counter my theory, Jail or his Client would be the most likely suspects base on their statements...
Since Nanoha is full of expected twist and turns why not add the three admirals to the ever increasing paranomia list
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 07:08
Since Nanoha is full of expected twist and turns why not add the three admirals to the ever increasing paranomia list
Now you're just trying too hard :heh: Randomly tossing in people isn't going to help your case :p
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 07:12
Now you're just trying too hard :heh: Randomly tossing in people isn't going to help your case :p
There is a precedence regarding old man pulling the strings behind the scenes, look no further then Graham, who says its not possilbe for this to happen as well ;).
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 07:17
There is a precedence regarding old man pulling the strings behind the scenes, look no further then Graham, who says its not possilbe for this to happen as well ;).
We have a prophecy with a 100% possibility of being set in motion.
Of which, it would always fulfilled it's Requirement to set things in motion.
So unless one or all of them is/are the cilent, which we have no way of knowing just yet, Jail is the main man that you should look at since he's the only one trying to gather all the pieces of the puzzle.
Though it's uncertain if the client knows about this.
EDIT:
It might be possible, but at this time, it's not probable.
There is a precedence regarding old man pulling the strings behind the scenes, look no further then Graham, who says its not possilbe for this to happen as well ;).
Precia was not the youngest either.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 07:19
"King" = TSAB, the one place where all mages are pointed out their specific tasks.
"Tower" = Scaglietti's hideout, we still don't know how it looks like, unless its underground, with a "Tower" sticking out of the ground above it.
"Ship" = Friendships will be broken? also meaning shot down?
anyways, when was it right to all of a sudden, pull out a prophecy led by Carim...we all thought before that the Chruch may also be in this whole "guess the Client" game...hmm...
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 07:22
"King" = TSAB, the one place where all mages are pointed out their specific tasks.
"Tower" = Scaglietti's hideout, we still don't know how it looks like, unless its underground, with a "Tower" sticking out of the ground above it.
"Ship" = Friendships will be broken? also meaning shot down?
anyways, when was it right to all of a sudden, pull out a prophecy led by Carim...we all thought before that the Chruch may also be in this whole "guess the Client" game...hmm...
No no~ You can't do that.
The prophecy isn't just single words, there are sentences.
On their own, the words 'King', 'Tower' and 'ships' could mean anything, but you have to look at how they were used in the sentences.
EDIT:
a king shall fall and wings shall be revived from the holy land
the dead shall dance as the tower that lies within the middle earth is burned down
following that, ships that sail the infinite seas shall sink
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 07:24
"King" = TSAB, the one place where all mages are pointed out their specific tasks.
"Tower" = Scaglietti's hideout, we still don't know how it looks like, unless its underground, with a "Tower" sticking out of the ground above it.
"Ship" = Friendships will be broken? also meaning shot down?
anyways, when was it right to all of a sudden, pull out a prophecy led by Carim...we all thought before that the Chruch may also be in this whole "guess the Client" game...hmm...
That is a interesting way of looking at the prophecy, but for some reason I don't think it adds up :heh:.
The Chruch is not out of the woods yet. at this point any thing that moves is a suspect....
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 07:26
That is a interesting way of looking at the prophecy, but for some reason I don't think it adds up :heh:.
The Chruch is not out of the woods yet. at this point any thing that moves is a suspect....
Must be a scary world you live in huh Darco_emp ? =P
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 07:40
so the "King" is really a figure in TSAB that will truly fall and perish...hmmm
and "a tower will fall"...
and "a ship will sink"...
here's a second try
the "King" can be anyone, so she/he could turn out to be heavily injured during a heavy battle, being wounded and not being able to move, his/her comrades protect him/her until the "ship" arrives to take back the wounded "king"...the ship comes to take the wounded "king" back to safety, meaning the "tower". But while airborne, the "ship" is shot down, taking the "king" with it also. "the "tower" could mean a base that is at the brink of collapsing, due to heavy damage from this heavy battle...when the "ship" is shot down, taking its "king" with it, the "tower" becomes a signal that the "King" has fallen and thus the "tower" falls also, as a symbol of a fallen "king"...
so in other words, Hayate. A lot have already speculated that Hayate could be this so called "king". And the ship I'm referring to is Vice's Storm Raider being shot down while taking Hayate to safe place to recover...this could be a scenario of the last epic battle of StrikerS, the big battle at TSAB with the crumbling RF6 tower at the brink of collapsing...
But there are a lot of candidates for this "king"
-Hayate (commander of RF6, being the most important person to protect in battle)
-Carim (supporter of RF6 and leads the Church and its duties)
-Vivio (mysterious little girl who seems to have high importance to this relic case)
-Chrono (he's an admiral and a supporter of RF6)
but think about it, in episode 12, we almost had this same prophecy come true.
Dieci's buster rifle, it was aimed at a "ship" and in the "ship" was Vivio...it was almost shot down if Nanoha didn't step in to defend against it...this could make Vivio the "king". Not to mention, TSAB's tower was unprotected, so it could have been destroyed.
This is just all speculation, but this is how I interpret this Prophecy, but is it true Carim can see the future?
If she can, then she would play a heavy role in this whole situation in the future...
EDIT: Damn didn't know there were more parts to this prophecy...errr>_<
a king shall fall and wings shall be revived from the holy land
the dead shall dance as the tower that lies within the middle earth is burned down
following that, ships that sail the infinite seas shall sink
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 07:45
@Ultima_Rasengan05
No no...
You're still missing out on alot of other keywords... And that's just with the first sentence alone! :heh:
(Taken from Thisguy's translation... Cause who else could we turn to in this desperate time of need :p)
"Under the Deceased King, the Wing will be revived from the Holy Land."
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 07:47
yea I noticed that there was more to this prophecy...errrr>_<...complicated stuff.
Why oh why did they decide to throw something like this to us....
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 07:50
yea I noticed that there was more to this prophecy...errrr>_<...complicated stuff.
Why oh why did they decide to throw something like this to us....
Because people didn't talk enough about this show last week... And taking a leaf out of CG books, Supernatural + Military = good business :D
P.S - I've sort of decoded the prophecy, but am waiting for any opposition against it... :p
The only thing I'm still stumped at is what the heck is this "wing" ?
~ tshouryuu
...
~ LoweGear
With the really low quality in RAWs I don't blame the slow subbing.
Even the best I've seen had some shaking in them. With rest artifact-hell.
Actually there are some very high-quality raws out for all the eps(except 13, it'll take a few days). I have very satisfactory copies of the eps through 12. And it's easy to find the raws too, so it's not a matter of raw quality that's hindering them I think...
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 07:58
Because people didn't talk enough about this show last week... And taking a leaf out of CG books, Supernatural + Military = good business :D
P.S - I've sort of decoded the prophecy, but am waiting for any opposition against it... :p
The only thing I'm still stumped at is what the heck is this "wing" ?
The problem with prophecy is that it is normally completely opposite to what the viewer is thinking of.... I wouldn't be surpised that alot the the gribbish is to throw people in the completely oppsite direction.........
The most logical thing for "wing" will be dragon's wing..... but if this is not the case here then I can not even find a starting point to look for clues
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 07:59
Holy Land...isn't that the place were Precia wanted to go in season 1??
It was called Al Hazard or something like that...forgot:heh: but this wing could be related to everything from the beginning: Jewel seeds, the Book of Darkness, and now, the relics.
Gearhead
2007-06-25, 08:00
Another possibility is that the prophecy is already in motion.
What if the King is Graham?
What if the 'revived wings' are Hayate's OWN wings. The Tome of Night Sky is a relic from Al Hazrad.
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 08:06
Another possibility is that the prophecy is already in motion.
What if the King is Graham?
What if the 'revived wings' are Hayate's OWN wings. The Tome of Night Sky is a relic from Al Hazrad.
I doubt it is old man Graham since it looks like he did or can bite the dust at anytime from Hayate's photo, Besides there is almost nothing linking him to the word "king" like Hayate or Vivio.
Hmm, Hayate's wings..... this could be interesting maybe Hayate goes MIA in the next 5 ep or so and comes back with even leeter hex...... I don't remember they state Yami no Sho was from Al Hazard.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 08:07
"Mistress of the night sky" = Princess
and in A's, the guardian of Hayate was Graham...probably a King in disguise.
But why, why a "king"....is there even a royal, holy place for these royalty mages??
EDIT: I think we gotta think "outside of the box" for this prophecy...errr>_< brain scrambles....
Gearhead
2007-06-25, 08:09
I don't remember they state Yami no Sho was from Al Hazard.
Tome-sama is classified as a Lost Logia.
Although some decided to drop the word in theirs, there's one important prefix to Tower and the Ship; "法の", which I translated to "of Law".
So, both Ship and Tower has to be something relates to Law... most natural candidate will be TSAB itself, as Carim guessed.
Now, are there any other stuff that fit into any kind of law?
I mean, not only human-made law, law of nature or law of... whatever, anything, that connects to the Tower and the Ship...
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 08:10
"Mistress of the night sky" = Princess
and in A's, the guardian of Hayate was Graham...probably a King in disguise.
But why, why a "king"....is there even a royal, holy place for these royalty mages??
Vita called Hayate "夜天の王" the direct translation will be King of Night Sky so Hayate is vaild entry into this competition.
we are thinking too much, lets wait for the next ep.
ps.i wonder how does Erio know about Project F and his origins?
we are thinking too much, lets wait for the next ep.
ps.i wonder how does Erio know about Project F and his origins?
Well he was one of it's victims, so it figures they would tell him at least why he is growing up in the TSAB Special Protection Facillity.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 08:16
wait deceased "King"...hmmm "wings"...Hayate has wings, but all the masters of the "yami no sho" are already deceased in some way and most of them were corrupted and evil, but could it be a possibility that the first master of the "yami no sho" was actually a king?
and he created a spell, an unusual one that creates "a wing" revived from the "holy land"...just maybe, this "king" was from this "holy land" and hid a special item that only the current master of the "yami no sho" can go to by using that special spell in the "yami no sho".
With this being said, Reinforce I can make an appearance as a spirit figure to guide Hayate into this situation...hhmmm
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:18
The problem with prophecy is that it is normally completely opposite to what the viewer is thinking of.... I wouldn't be surpised that alot the the gribbish is to throw people in the completely oppsite direction.........
The most logical thing for "wing" will be dragon's wing..... but if this is not the case here then I can not even find a starting point to look for clues
Well, can you think of any other scenarios to go with the first sentence?
So far people have been guessing what each keyword could represent, but remember that those keywords would have to make out a scene that would fit what the prophecy said.
Estavali
2007-06-25, 08:19
Thanks, Draco.
My 2 cents:
Line 1: Both versions sound very much the same. However, I would say 舊的結晶 is more accurate for 旧い結晶. 太古的結晶 doesn't sound quite right to me, and might mislead the reader to conclude that it's talking about LL, especially for those who have been following flsnow's subs.
Line 2: I would take the first version over the second. I'm very sure 死せる王 does not translate to 死之王.
Line 3: Once again both are very similar, though the first version lets us feel a sense of helplessness as the Tower burns.
Line 4: I think version 2 might be closer here.
Overview:
Original:
旧い結晶と無限の欲望が交わる地
死せる王の下、聖地より彼の翼が蘇る
死者達は踊り、中つ大地の法の塔は虚しく焼け落ち
それを先駆けに数多の海を守る法の船は砕け落ちる
My poor attempt in translating the Chinese translations Draco posted:
太古的結晶與無限的欲望交集之地
已死之王的翅膀從聖地復活
死者起舞，中間大地的法塔無奈地焚毀
隨後，守護眾多海洋的船也將崩潰
(The) Ancient Crystal and the Place where Infinite/Unlimited Desires meets;
The dead/dying King's Wings is resurrected/revived from the Holy Ground/Land;
The Dead dance, the Law Tower in the Middle/Central Land burns helplessly;
Following that, ships that protects the many oceans should perish as well.
舊的結晶與無限的欲望交匯之地
在死之王之下, 他的翼將在聖地甦醒
死者們正在起舞, 中央大地的法之塔將會燒燼
它的先驅, 守護無數大海的法之船也會四散.
The old Crystal (note: or the Crystal of Old) and the Place where Infinite/Unlimited Desires meet;
Under the King of Death, His wings shall be awakened at the Holy Ground/Land;
The Dead are dancing, the Tower of Law in the Middle Land shall be burnt to naught;
Their pioneers, the ships of Law that guards innumerable oceans shall also be scattered.
Hope this helps somewhat :heh:.
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 08:20
Tome-sama is classified as a Lost Logia.
I generally lump all ancient artifacts that can not be made by current tech as LL and not just those made in Al Hazard. Through this may be a misinterpretation on my part....
Now, are there any other stuff that fit into any kind of law?
I mean, not only human-made law, law of nature or law of... whatever, anything, that connects to the Tower and the Ship...
I can't think of anything that fit at the moment.... so we are indeed anticapting the destruction of TSAB then :D, I can't remember who but someone may have hit the jackpot by predicting the destruction of TSAB by Ep 16-17 :heh:
Well he was one of it's victims, so it figures they would tell him at least why he is growing up in the TSAB Special Protection Facillity.
I wonder if he was considered a victim at all.:confused:He did not seem to suffer as a part of it.Not to mention whether he understood what they were telling him at the time.
Gearhead
2007-06-25, 08:22
I generally lump all ancient artifacts that can not be made by current tech as LL and not just those made in Al Hazard. Through this may be a misinterpretation on my part....
Raging Heart is also not made with modern technology, but she's classified as a (rather strong) Intelligent Device instead.
Concerning all this stuff about the Holy Land, I've suspected since the first series that Al Hazard would return to the story. And I've had many thoughts about it. For one thing, considering that we know some civilization grew too powerful and their excess magic created a dimensional distortion, and that the Lost Logia are relics from said civilization, it doesn't seem hard to find a connection to a mystical land lost in the infinite void where magic has reached a level that exceeds the miraculous. Not to mention that I've never been sure that Precia and Alicia were obliterated/lost in that void. Perhaps Al Hazard was down there and they wound up there...
Following the same line, the "revived wings" could mean either the Tome of the Night Sky or Alicia. I would imagine that could spell bad news for everyone, since Alicia would remember just how twisted Precia had become and maybe want some revenge...
On a different note, I'm sort of surprised even now by the amount of fanservice going on in here. Looking back, the original was rather gratuitous, but A's had maybe one pantyshot outside of transformation sequences. This series seems to exceed the original Nanoha in terms of pointless flashes of underage females.
On a final note, with Vivio being so clingy I wonder how sleeping arrangements will go. The bed's big enough but I'm not sure Fate will like having an adorable little loli clinging to Nanoha all night long...
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:23
we are thinking too much, lets wait for the next ep.
Normal I would agree, but I'm too full of myself after that theory that I've wrote about that first sentence had fit every keyword and even formed a story...
Except for the word "wing" ...
ouch,im lagging behind the story with no subs,cmon hope that the subs come out soon.
ps. Was Erio thinking about the girl's origin's quietly or saying it out loud?
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 08:26
Concerning all this stuff about the Holy Land, I've suspected since the first series that Al Hazard would return to the story. And I've had many thoughts about it. For one thing, considering that we know some civilization grew too powerful and their excess magic created a dimensional distortion, and that the Lost Logia are relics from said civilization, it doesn't seem hard to find a connection to a mystical land lost in the infinite void where magic has reached a level that exceeds the miraculous. Not to mention that I've never been sure that Precia and Alicia were obliterated/lost in that void. Perhaps Al Hazard was down there and they wound up there...
Following the same line, the "revived wings" could mean either the Tome of the Night Sky or Alicia. I would imagine that could spell bad news for everyone, since Alicia would remember just how twisted Precia had become and maybe want some revenge...
On a different note, I'm sort of surprised even now by the amount of fanservice going on in here. Looking back, the original was rather gratuitous, but A's had maybe one pantyshot outside of transformation sequences. This series seems to exceed the original Nanoha in terms of pointless flashes of underage females.
On a final note, with Vivio being so clingy I wonder how sleeping arrangements will go. The bed's big enough but I'm not sure Fate will like having an adorable little loli clinging to Nanoha all night long...
Alicia coming back...now thats a twist!
but it could be that Alicia may have already come back...in the form of Vivio perhaps?
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:28
but it could be that Alicia may have already come back...in the form of Vivio perhaps?
Different eye and hair colour... Not to mention different VA.
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The dead/dying King's Wings is resurrected/revived from the Holy Ground/Land;
Under the King of Death, His wings shall be awakened at the Holy Ground/Land;
You know... With these two... Everything changes :heh:
Especially "dead/dying King" and "King of Death" :heh: ... There're two different things...
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 08:28
ps. Was Erio thinking about the girl's origin's quietly or saying it out loud?
quietly, since he does not seems to want Caro to know about it for now....
Raging Heart is also not made with modern technology, but she's classified as a (rather strong) Intelligent Device instead.
I doubt the ferret dug up RH so I doubt it is that anicent, bah we really need to clarifications on the orgins of RH.... I remember when we are speculating if RH is a relic or not....
You know... With these two... Everything changes :heh:
I got something closer to the second one.... the placement of the "的" in the first makes the meaning completly different
Gearhead
2007-06-25, 08:30
I doubt the ferret dug up RH so I doubt it is that anicent, bah we really need to clarifications on the orgins of RH.... I remember when we are speculating if RH is a relic or not....
He actually did mention that RH had been discovered on a dig as well.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-06-25, 08:32
Different eye and hair colour... Not to mention different VA.
true, but maybe her soul could take over her body?
supernatural forces are taking place in the overall plot of StrikerS, so even body possession from a deceased being can become a factor.:heh:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:32
I doubt the ferret dug up RH so I doubt it is that anicent, bah we really need to clarifications on the orgins of RH.... I remember when we are speculating if RH is a relic or not....
I thought it was mentioned that he did dug her up somewhere?
Also, I'm brought up several times before that RH isn't a relic...
I got something closer to the second one.... the placement of the "的" in the first makes the meaning completly different
Do you have comfirmation though?
quietly, since he does not seems to want Caro to know about it for now....
what do you think would happen she knew?
Gearhead
2007-06-25, 08:34
Caro would probably give him a huge hug and <3 him even more for being so brave, if she knew.
Caro would probably give him a huge hug and <3 him even more for being so brave, if she knew.
Brave?
Onos,if that happened Erio would be he first male in the nanohaverse to get a girl to like and kiss him real good
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:36
true, but maybe her soul could take over her body?
supernatural forces are taking place in the overall plot of StrikerS, so even body possession from a deceased being can become a factor.:heh:
So you're basically saying is... They're are the same person, but they look and sound and behaviour completely differently? :heh:
And there's no reason for her to 'possess' Vivio and not do anything about it, she didn't even feel connected to Fate.
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 08:38
I thought it was mentioned that he did dug her up somewhere?
Also, I'm brought up several times before that RH isn't a relic...
Point me to it my memory is really fogging up lately......
Do you have comfirmation though?
not really but I'm petty sure " 's" is not in the sentence.... and I got something similar on my attempt on translating it.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:43
Point me to it my memory is really fogging up lately......
Sigh :heh:
Raising Heart has been under going numerous upgrades and inspection for the last ten years or more since Nanoha joined the TSAB. During that time they didn't identify it as a Lost Logia.
Now, RF6 have picked up several Relic signatures before, that means if Raising Heart IS one, they would have known it a long time ago.
And not to mention Raising Heart is a Device, while the Relics are gems. And you people are only saying that because Raising Heart is red like the Relics :p
ps.i wonder how does Erio know about Project F and his origins?Several assumptions...
1. Fate told him
2. He knew it as being a subject
3. His "memory" knows it
Contrary to some people insisted, I don't think Fate is a type of person that tells him things like this... well, maybe it's just me.
IMO 2 is more likely... but IF 3 was the case, it'll going to be another huge twist.
midnightlumina
2007-06-25, 08:44
I'm all in for an Alicia revival. But it needs to be well thought of. But there's just one big problem. Alicia wouldn't dare attack Fate, because A's already showed us what would've happened if She was revived. Now if they somehow explain that it was all a dream inside the tome...
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 08:46
Sigh :heh:
Raising Heart has been under going numerous upgrades and inspection for the last ten years or more since Nanoha joined the TSAB. During that time they didn't identify it as a Lost Logia.
Now, RF6 have picked up several Relic signatures before, that means if Raising Heart IS one, they would have known it a long time ago.
And not to mention Raising Heart is a Device, while the Relics are gems. And you people are only saying that because Raising Heart is red like the Relics :p
Silly Chaos tan, not that the part say Yunno dug it up, else I need to marathon season one tonight the find it....
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:47
I'm all in for an Alicia revival. But it needs to be well thought of. But there's just one big problem. Alicia wouldn't dare attack Fate, because A's already showed us what would've happened if She was revived. Now if they somehow explain that it was all a dream inside the tome...
Here's the problem with that - Alica has NO magic talent.
So whatever Leet being that's going to come out of that revival, is not going to be Alica cause nobody is going to risk all that for nothing.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:48
Silly Chaos tan, not that the part say Yunno dug it up, else I need to marathon season one tonight the find it....
You seriously need to be more specific in your request :heh:
That was 5 minutes of my life...
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 08:49
Here's the problem with that - Alica has NO magic talent.
So whatever Leet being that's going to come out of that revival, is not going to be Alica cause nobody is going to risk all that for nothing.
Now there is a chance that Rein I can be brought back then :D. Ah who I am I kidding, at least I can dream....
Brave?
Onos,if that happened Erio would be he first male in the nanohaverse to get a girl to like and kiss him real good
And how would that be any different than it already is? Erio is already taking Caro on dates on off days, and there isn't any female competition.
Also, the moment I saw the suggested Vivio-Alicia connection, one line came to mind: "Mama... Inai no", which could mean "Where's Mama" or "Mama's gone".
Chaos2Frozen
2007-06-25, 08:51
Also, the moment I saw the suggested Vivio-Alicia connection, one line came to mind: "Mama... Inai no", which could mean "Where's Mama" or "Mama's gone".
It's really not much of a connection since they have nothing alike :heh: ...
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 08:52
And how would that be any different than it already is? Erio is already taking Caro on dates on off days, and there isn't any female competition.
Not true now since Lutecia entered the scene
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3539/strikersnano80lc2.th.jpg (http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=strikersnano80lc2.jpg)
:heh:
Also, the moment I saw the suggested Vivio-Alicia connection, one line came to mind: "Mama... Inai no", which could mean "Where's Mama" or "Mama's gone".
Ahhh, Vivio is just moe overdose :D
midnightlumina
2007-06-25, 08:54
Here's the problem with that - Alica has NO magic talent.
So whatever Leet being that's going to come out of that revival, is not going to be Alica cause nobody is going to risk all that for nothing.
This is not entirely true, Who knows what happened in the void where precia and alicia went to. Everything's still possible, because if alicia was in El Hazard, then the alicia in the tome isn't the alicia that "perished", she's simply part of the peace of mind fate was looking for.
Estavali
2007-06-25, 08:55
A wild theory may be that Agito may be the original Sei-ou's Device (a sword, most likely, possibly one that rivals the Yaten no Sho in terms of ranking for power and danger), and Vivio was created to be her master.
I don't know if genetic engineering in Nanohaverse can accomplish this, but it may be possible that Vivio is an artificial A.B user, or at least a being that can use A.B Unison Devices.
An even wilder theory is that only the Sei-ou can summon/awaken/enter the Holy Land/Ground in question, or s/he is prophesied to be re-born in this place. As to what happens next is up to everyone's wildest imagination, but my own rampant imagination tells me that perhaps the Sei-ou was the Belkan people's King Arthur or Messiah before their relegation to being a mere vassal state of Mid-childa (?), and that his rebirth will lead a new glorious chapter in their history.
Such a theory would, of course, lend much weight to the Church conspiracy theory, with Carim as the head honcho in this case. And one can speculate that she has managed to convince Hayate that replacing the TSAB with a brand new Holy Belkan Empire (wth?!) is a very good idea, especially if she makes use of Hayate's resentment against the higher-ups treating her and her family as merely very convenient tools, and the existence of the corruption within the TSAB itself.
But then again, these are just my speculations and fantasies, albeit pretty wild ones imho :p.
Darco_emp
2007-06-25, 09:04
A wild theory may be that Agito may be the original Sei-ou's Device (a sword, most likely, possibly one that rivals the Yaten no Sho in terms of ranking for power and danger), and Vivio was created to be her master.
I don't know if genetic engineering in Nanohaverse can accomplish this, but it may be possible that Vivio is an artificial A.B user, or at least a being that can use A.B Unison Devices.
An even wilder theory is that only the Sei-ou can summon/awaken/enter the Holy Land/Ground in question, or s/he is prophesied to be re-born in this place. As to what happens next is up to everyone's wildest imagination, but my own rampant imagination tells me that perhaps the Sei-ou was the Belkan people's King Arthur or Messiah before their relegation to being a mere vassal state of Mid-childa (?), and that his rebirth will lead a new glorious chapter in their history.
Such a theory would, of course, lend much weight to the Church conspiracy theory, with Carim as the head honcho in this case. And one can speculate that she has managed to convince Hayate that replacing the TSAB with a brand new Holy Belkan Empire (wth?!) is a very good idea, especially if she makes use of Hayate's resentment against the higher-ups treating her and her family as merely very convenient tools, and the existence of the corruption within the TSAB itself.
But then again, these are just my speculations and fantasies, albeit pretty wild ones imho :p.
Someone is floating too close to the pit that is OC :heh:......
Speaking of Agito I wonder if we will see her fuse with Lutecia or Zest..... since we know Rein can fuse with the knights as well as Hayate....
A wild theory may be that Agito may be the original Sei-ou's Device (a sword, most likely, possibly one that rivals the Yaten no Sho in terms of ranking for power and danger), and Vivio was created to be her master.
I don't know if genetic engineering in Nanohaverse can accomplish this, but it may be possible that Vivio is an artificial A.B user, or at least a being that can use A.B Unison Devices.
An even wilder theory is that only the Sei-ou can summon/awaken/enter the Holy Land/Ground in question, or s/he is prophesied to be re-born in this place. As to what happens next is up to everyone's wildest imagination, but my own rampant imagination tells me that perhaps the Sei-ou was the Belkan people's King Arthur or Messiah before their relegation to being a mere vassal state of Mid-childa (?), and that his rebirth will lead a new glorious chapter in their history.
Such a theory would, of course, lend much weight to the Church conspiracy theory, with Carim as the head honcho in this case. And one can speculate that she has managed to convince Hayate that replacing the TSAB with a brand new Holy Belkan Empire (wth?!) is a very good idea, especially if she makes use of Hayate's resentment against the higher-ups treating her and her family as merely very convenient tools, and the existence of the corruption within the TSAB itself.
But then again, these are just my speculations and fantasies, albeit pretty wild ones imho :p.You won't believe how much I concur. I've long theorized that Anceint Velka had a God Empress... :D :D :D :D
But not Carim. I believe she intends to create an Imperium of Velka as an ally of the TSAB, not to replace it. There's got to be someone out there who intends to replace TSAB for destroying the Old Velka in the first place. The word "infidels" comes to mind. Remember what Terran terrorists always call Bush? "Tyrant of a Hegemony" In the Nanohaverse, the TSAB is the equivalent of the "Hegemony", and can not only be seen as meddling in other's affairs, maybe even downright "occupation".
In this light, I'm for a new villian, the Client, who fulfills this role. With Carim as the Prophet, Vivio might well be the "Star Child" of the God Empress.
Estavali
2007-06-25, 09:07
Someone is floating too close to the pit that is OC :heh:......
I know. The idea of a Holy Belkan Empire has been floating in my head ever since Hayate-sama Hręsvelgr-ed her way back to the battlefield (or rather, ever since I brainstormed for a nice Civ name while playing Civ IV :p).
As well as an ancient Trinity comprising of the Saint Emperor, The Queen/King of the Night Sky and one other that still awaits the Divine Sledge-Hammer of Inspiration :D.
Though I must say, it might be a neat thing if the above does come true :p.
Time to brain-storm on my fanfic, kekeke.... ;)
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