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You know I noticed something I didn't think of before, when Ophelia and Priscilla were about to awaken, they both started reminiscing about a past traumatic experience they had with Yoma. Priscilla was having to kill her own dad because he was eating guts. Ophelia was watching her brother being eaten by Yoma, despite saying that he would protect her. I wonder if this will continue to be a trend with awakenings and if there is an actual reason for it or if it's just coincidental.
Defiled one
2007-06-29, 12:45
Actually. That`s a good point but i wonder if the awakening power level are based on traumas. The bigger the trauma...the bigger the power? itīs too early to know with only two awakened. but itīs a point that should be discussed. Awakening and their traumas.
Sinestra
2007-06-29, 13:26
I don't wanna see that either but for me each episode aired is another step closer to the arc I am really waiting for. See avatar!
Voice of reason :D
What are you talking about? I definatly want to see Ophelia's hot naked body :p
Thats just nasty man nasty:twitch:, assuming you lived long enough to check out her mutilated deformed body she'd be more likely to make you a snack then to fufill your fantasies but hey to each their own go for it man
Defiled one
2007-06-29, 13:34
I wonder what happened to her Onni-chan? :heh:
Who in here didnīt busted a lung from laughing? Seriously :heh: Who did not laughed.
All wounded and crawling in the ground while sobbing to her brother then, out of nowhere "Screw you!! Screw you!"
And I was all "OWO" What kind of relation who had with your onni-chan, I wonder? :naughty:
I didn't think there was anything funny about that. It showed her split personality. And she was pissed off about getting wounded so badly so her psycho side went out of control and caused her to awaken.
I wasn't laughing either. Irene should have just killed her and it would have prevented her from becoming the thing that she hates the most.
I wonder what happened to her Onni-chan? :heh:
Well from the gist of her rantings...
It sounded like Priscilla had him for lunch, unless there's another horned one roaming around. :sad:
Defiled one
2007-06-29, 14:30
Was I the only one that actually enjoyed Ophelia homocidal tentendies and Torture?
Seriously it was funny, in a dark comical way :heh:
Tempest35
2007-06-29, 15:29
Irene had a very good reason NOT to kill her. If one of your top 5 suddenly go missing in the mountains and all personnel that was there at the time was the lowest ranked - you can bet that the ORG will send someone over there to investigate the 'disappearance'.
And since when has Irene ever done anything on a mere whim? ^_^ She kinda gave her reason why she was there if you compare her talk with Clare after she saved her and what she said to Clare and Ophelia when she first found them. There, I gave you an excuse to go re-re-rewatch the ep. ^_^
Anh_Minh
2007-06-29, 15:34
Yeah, because they wouldn't inquire at all if one of the top 5 reported she got her ass handed to her by a stranger.
I think she left Ophelia alive either as a trial for Clare later on, or because Ophelia ran away and Irene didn't want to leave Clare alone.
I think she just didn't want to kill a claymore, even if it was a psycho claymore. Not killing her would draw attention to her aswell, the organization would know who did it when she made her report (assuming Ophelia bothers with that). Killing her would have been better since eventhough the disappearance would raise questions, they wouldn't know anything about the cause.
Maybe Irene isn't as cold-blooded as before.
Maybe the Teresa hunt taught her something.
You know I noticed something I didn't think of before, when Ophelia and Priscilla were about to awaken, they both started reminiscing about a past traumatic experience they had with Yoma. Priscilla was having to kill her own dad because he was eating guts. Ophelia was watching her brother being eaten by Yoma, despite saying that he would protect her. I wonder if this will continue to be a trend with awakenings and if there is an actual reason for it or if it's just coincidental.
Not only them. Miria too lost control of her emotions when she discovered she killed her best friend and almost Awaked when she was crying and yelling, in episode 11. And i'm sure something similar happened to the hotheaded Helen too.
Remember the explanation that M.I.B. gave in episode 2... Claymores are half-youma half-human. They are sided with the humans because they use their human mind to control their youma powers. Probably that requires a lot of self-control. So, if for some reason the claymores lose their mind, they will lose control of their youma side and "awake" too. And emotional breakdowns are the easiest way to lose their minds and self-control.
If the Organization had hired some psychiatrists to take care of the mental state of the Claymores before send them to the missions, they could have avoided A LOT OF TROUBLES!! :heh:
Tempest35
2007-06-29, 16:21
Maybe Irene isn't as cold-blooded as before.
Maybe the Teresa hunt taught her something.
I don't think that Irene was really cold-blooded. Sure she was 'cool' but never 'cold'. If anyone from her generation was cold-blooded it was Teresa prior to meeting Clare. Remember Teresa was just gonna leave Clare after she fell from a cliff trying to follow her. :heh:
Irene was probably much nicer than what her face revealed ^^
noisytime
2007-06-29, 16:35
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Blessed are the strong, for they shall possess the Earth.
Cursed are the weak, for they shall inherit the yoke.
Blessed are the powerful, for they shall be reverenced among men.
Cursed are the feeble, for they shall be blotted out.
Blessed are the bold, for they shall be masters of the world.
Cursed are the humble, for they shall be trodden under hoofs.
Blessed are the victorious, for victory is the basis of right.
Cursed are the vanquished, for they shall be vassals forever.
Blessed are the battle-blooded. Beauty shall smile upon them.
Cursed are the poor in spirit, for they shall be spat upon.
Blessed are the audacious, for they have imbibed true wisdom.
Cursed are the obedient, for they shall breed creeplings.
Blessed are the iron-handed; the unfit shall flee before them.
Cursed are the haters of battle; subjugation is their portion.
Blessed are the death-defiant; their days shall be long in the land.
Cursed are the feeble-brained, for they shall perish amidst plenty.
Blessed are the destroyers of false hope; they are true messiahs.
Cursed are the God-adorers; they shall be shorn sheep!
Blessed are the valiant, for they shall obtain great treasure.
Cursed are the believers in good and evil, for they are frightened
by shadows.
Blessed are those who believe in nothing; never shall it terrorized
their minds.
Cursed are the "lambs of god" they shall be bleed "whiter than snow".
Blessed is the man who has powerful enemies they shall make him a hero.
Cursed is he who "doeth good" unto others; he shall be despised.
Blessed is the man whose foot is swift to serve a friend; he is a
friend indeed.
Cursed are the organizers of charities; they are propagators of plagues.
Blessed are the wise and brave, for in the struggle they shall win.
Cursed are the unfit, for they shall be righteously exterminated.
Blessed are the sires of noble maidens; they are the salt of the Earth.
Cursed the mothers of strumous tenderlings, for they shall be shamed.
Blessed are the mighty-minded, for they shall ride the whirlwinds.
Cursed are they who teach lies for truth and truth for lies, for they
are -- abomination.
Blessed are the unmerciful; their posterity shall own the world.
Cursed are the famous wiselings; their seed shall perish off the Earth
Thrice cursed are the vile, for they shall serve and suffer.
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stormy001_M1A2
2007-06-29, 18:00
Maybe Irene isn't as cold-blooded as before.
Maybe the Teresa hunt taught her something.
Irene/Ilena realised that Theresa must have found something more profound that just being a no 1 Claymore, forsaking the Organization and fighting to protect a little human girl. Maybe she is having her human maternal instincts surfaced too, witnessing how hard Theresa fighting to protect her promise to live for little Claire. It will not be wrong to speculate that she wanted to have that kind of relationship as well, in a way.
Perhaps too, she mellowed down after looking at her once ruthlessly efficient co-warrior turn of events. Fighting Yoma and Awaken Ones is a dehumanizing experience and sometimes, enough is enough. Irene/Ilena turned on her old self and walk away, searching for inner peace. For once, since she seen such a very human relationship, she starts to want more out of her life and began to fear death as it will end this surfacing humanity within her.
Coupled too with after lost her comrades and totally wrong footed in strategy despite being one of the top Claymore, she realised that being a fighter is not all she wanted or fit to be after all.
Mighty_frog
2007-06-29, 21:14
as some guy said, maybe it was actually Irene trying to keep things on the dl why she left Ophelia alive. Think about it, is Ophelia the type of person to waltz into the main office and be like; "hey i just got pwnt by some random claymore who isn't even a single digit"
she'd most likely avoid all her peers like the plague due to her shame
FatPianoBoy
2007-06-29, 21:41
rip some sounds efects from star wars.
So I'm not the only one who noticed that the sudden Youki release sounds a lot like a TIE fighter's lasers... :heh:
zato_1one
2007-06-29, 23:22
On the other note, we have known new Claymore's nickname from this episode.
"Windcutter Flora"!!!
:cool::cool::cool:
Cool episode. There were a lot of little things that I liked:
1) Loved the "resistance is futile" line from Ophelia..........brings back memories of Star Trek and the Borg, even if the translation might have been a tad liberal.
2) When Irene met Claire and Ophelia in the river, she said she came because she had "sensed a nostalgic presence". Yet she seemed surprised when she recognized it to be Claire (10:37 to 10:42) saying "oh, its you". It suggests to me that the nostalgic presence was Teresa's flesh within Claire. I don't know if that's true or not.................but it explains why Irene would risk herself by coming out of hiding.
3) The flash sword animation is incredibly cool when on defense. Irene is standing passively, yet you can just see glimpses of her sword as it blocks an Ophelia attack and retracts. On attack, its not as elegant..........just a frantic blur of metal, if that makes sense to anyone.
silverstri
2007-06-30, 09:03
So I'm not the only one who noticed that the sudden Youki release sounds a lot like a TIE fighter's lasers... :heh:
oh i didn't notice that:twitch:
Negativedark
2007-06-30, 09:22
On the other note, we have known new Claymore's nickname from this episode.
"Windcutter Flora"!!!
:cool::cool::cool:
What?
Please explain, as that was not in the original manga.
killer3000ad
2007-06-30, 09:33
What?
Please explain, as that was not in the original manga.
In the manga Ophelia doesn't mention Windcutter Flora, she mentions a different nickname of the another high rank. Not sure why it was changed, but meh!
^
That character prolly dont get a chance to appear in the anime since she's introduced a bit late.. So anime part prolly chosen somebody that'll definitely gonna appear ^^
zato_1one
2007-06-30, 10:51
That character prolly dont get a chance to appear in the anime since she's introduced a bit late.. So anime part prolly chosen somebody that'll definitely gonna appear ^^
I hope you're wrong because I really want to see that character in anime so badly. :upset:
I thought producer might didn't want to spoil or give any hint on that character. So it will be very special and very cool when that character appears.
the youki release sound ive heard many times before in other animes.
killer3000ad
2007-06-30, 11:25
the youki release sound ive heard many times before in other animes.
Does Star Wars ring a bell? :D
^
That character prolly dont get a chance to appear in the anime since she's introduced a bit late.. So anime part prolly chosen somebody that'll definitely gonna appear ^^
Ah true, there's a good chance she won't appear in the anime. At any rate, I don't mind this little change at all since I like Flora. :D
karasuma
2007-06-30, 18:16
Man. All I have to say is Clare suffers too much. Constantly getting legs and arms cut off is no fun. :( I hope she gets her right arm back. Also, get one for irene too. Then, both can do flash sword with both arms..:)
Everyone seems like to stuff clare's face to the ground/bed...too. Poor Clare.
Man. All I have to say is Clare suffers too much. Constantly getting legs and arms cut off is no fun. :( I hope she gets her right arm back.
I'm still waiting to see the corniest trick in the book...........a Claymore gets her right arm cut off, while its holding a sword. She then picks the arm + plus sword in her left hand, and owns with the extra 3 foot reach. Hey, it could happen.
LOL thatd be quiet funny to see
Twisted Reality
2007-06-30, 21:08
Not only them. Miria too lost control of her emotions when she discovered she killed her best friend and almost Awaked when she was crying and yelling, in episode 11. And i'm sure something similar happened to the hotheaded Helen too.
Remember the explanation that M.I.B. gave in episode 2... Claymores are half-youma half-human. They are sided with the humans because they use their human mind to control their youma powers. Probably that requires a lot of self-control. So, if for some reason the claymores lose their mind, they will lose control of their youma side and "awake" too. And emotional breakdowns are the easiest way to lose their minds and self-control.
If the Organization had hired some psychiatrists to take care of the mental state of the Claymores before send them to the missions, they could have avoided A LOT OF TROUBLES!! :heh:
There Are No Psychologists (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.ThereAreNoPsychologists)
I've always pictured Yoki as basically being "Chi" in another form. You know, the kind that fantasy Kung-Fu watcha-ma-call-its always channel in a fight. So there's a lot of emphasis there on the spiritual power of the individual that wields the Chi (or Yoki).
Or we could also make a sort of parallel between this and the Jedi out of Star Wars. It's possible for a Jedi to fall because he fails to control some very powerful spiritual energies. I'm sure you get my point.
Ah true, there's a good chance she won't appear in the anime. At any rate, I don't mind this little change at all since I like Flora. :D
You me.. same :D
hollywoodlou
2007-07-01, 00:19
the youki release sound ive heard many times before in other animes.
I was thinking the DragonBall transformation sound when Goku transforms to Super Saiyan etc...they all kinda sound the same.
Here in Hollywood, a buddy of mine works for a sound engineer and he explained that the Star Wars laser sound is an old recording of an iron pipe hitting an open electrical conduit out in the open field with microphones within 2 inches of the conduit. It was recorded the old fashioned way...tape recorder.
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I also noticed episode 13 the look on Clare's face (shaking in fear' look) when Ophelia was about to send her to the afterlife. She didn't have that look in the previous episodes, especially when she was battling the other Awakened B's.
is ophe really going to get axed this early? as much as id like clare to get some kills it would suck to lose a character like ophelia after 2 eps.
zephyrmiasma
2007-07-01, 01:49
is ophe really going to get axed this early? as much as id like clare to get some kills it would suck to lose a character like ophelia after 2 eps.
well, from what i can tell every new arc is going to have a new batch of characters except Clare, even Raki is gone! But no one cares about Raki anyways...
we will see that 1 eyed claymore next episode:) might not even be a ally for Clare or Irene
grey_moon
2007-07-01, 02:20
Well if Clare does miss her right arm, she could still fight Anderson style and hold the sword in her mouth :p
Personally I wonder will they be okay training that way, since they are pumping out loads of youki, will ppl be able to detect them?
hollywoodlou
2007-07-01, 02:31
The question is, will Clare learn the tricks of the Flash Sword' quickly to dispatch of Awakened Ophelia? It's going to be difficult learning a new sword technique in a small amount of time.
BTW, Clare needs a bath.;)
BTW, Clare needs a bath.;)
Mmmm indeed. Like I said before she might actually be quite normal being that she is only quarter Yoma.
grey_moon
2007-07-01, 02:50
Well we have seen two ppl awaken and the awakened girl that Ophelia capped and their bodies don't seem that bad. A little bit weird but nothing horrifyingly sick. I really want to see what makes a Claymore's body so bad. But it would be nice if they could have a spoiler button if they are going to show it, I want to make sure I am not eating and I have a bucket nearby.
And here I thought losing a limb or two was a none issue since they can grow one in a blink of an eye? How come Irene as well as Clare don't regenerate one? :confused:
dutchman
2007-07-01, 07:56
And here I thought losing a limb or two was a none issue since they can grow one in a blink of an eye? How come Irene as well as Clare don't regenerate one? :confused:
As explained in the episode Irene and Clare are both offensive claymores and thus can only re-attach lost limbs. Defensive claymores like for example Deneve can fully regenerate lost limbs.
Anh_Minh
2007-07-01, 07:58
Deneve can regrow her limbs very quickly because regeneration is her specialty and she's half-awakened. And even she would need some rest between the regrowing of each limb.
Other defensive Claymores can regrow their limbs, given time, and those limbs will be as good as new.
Offensive Claymores like Irene and Clare, OTOH, can only regrow them with great difficulty, and those limbs won't be good Claymore limbs. They'll only be as strong as human ones.
Well if Clare does miss her right arm, she could still fight Anderson style and hold the sword in her mouth :p
Personally I wonder will they be okay training that way, since they are pumping out loads of youki, will ppl be able to detect them?
Well, if they're on the edge of the continent, only Ophelia should be able to detect them. But then again, one never knows...........if the organization has sent more claymores to that area, then the youki could allow people to find them.
We do know Irene was able to hide out for several years by concealing her youki, but the organization was not actively looking for her. They had every reason to believe that she was dead/eaten, and with Priscilla's arrival they had bigger problems to worry about. If someone was actively tracking Irene (like Ophelia for example, or another claymore) then just suppressing youki or running might not work.
grey_moon
2007-07-01, 09:27
Well, if they're on the edge of the continent, only Ophelia should be able to detect them. But then again, one never knows...........if the organization has sent more claymores to that area, then the youki could allow people to find them.
Actually that is a good point as it took Ms Claymore to detect them when they were fighting the awakened male and even through that looked far, I guess it wasn't that far. The thing on my mind is that we have had one person in the area awaken and two arms awaken kinda like massive blips on the old youki meter. I wonder why the org doesn't keep better tabs on Ophelia? Especially if they send her off to fight an awakened. Maybe them avoiding the need to kill Ophelia gives Irene and Clare a chance to not be detected.
Deathkillz
2007-07-01, 17:04
Offensive Claymores like Irene and Clare, OTOH, can only regrow them with great difficulty, and those limbs won't be good Claymore limbs. They'll only be as strong as human ones.
how come irene didnt even attempt to grow back her lost arm? or is she just a special case being so specialized in offense?
how come irene didnt even attempt to grow back her lost arm? or is she just a special case being so specialized in offense?
It takes a lot of Yoki to regenerate. Seeing as how she wanted to remain hidden and presumed dead, releasing Yoki would be a bad idea.
There Are No Psychologists (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.ThereAreNoPsychologists)
I've always pictured Yoki as basically being "Chi" in another form. You know, the kind that fantasy Kung-Fu watcha-ma-call-its always channel in a fight. So there's a lot of emphasis there on the spiritual power of the individual that wields the Chi (or Yoki).
Or we could also make a sort of parallel between this and the Jedi out of Star Wars. It's possible for a Jedi to fall because he fails to control some very powerful spiritual energies. I'm sure you get my point.
Great point. I never saw any Psychologists in anime either. :D Most likely, that's more an Ocidental thing.
As for the Youki part, considerating it has so many ups and downs, i think it could be compared with some drug addictive. Use too much and you will lose yourself. :p
Claymore remember me a little good vampires, like in TSUKIHIME and VAMPIRE HUNTER D. They too need to control their thristy for blood.
I'm just want to reiterate that even though I'm not a fan of shounen fighting shows, Claymore is one of the best shows I've seen this year. This episode, in particular, positively broadcasts it's wuxia roots. It's almost a shame that Clare's almost certain to get her arm replaced.
I've always pictured Yoki as basically being "Chi" in another form. You know, the kind that fantasy Kung-Fu watcha-ma-call-its always channel in a fight. So there's a lot of emphasis there on the spiritual power of the individual that wields the Chi (or Yoki).
I've felt for a long time that most shounen fighting shows are based on wuxia templates. As an extension of that, pretty much any show with some sort of spiritual energy is similar to the mythical depictions of chi.
Off-topic:
There Are No Psychologists (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.ThereAreNoPsychologists)
That's a great read. I'd like to point out that many anime also remove the parents (predominantly the mother) so that the responsibility has to be bourne by the protagonists.
The thing on my mind is that we have had one person in the area awaken and two arms awaken kinda like massive blips on the old youki meter. I wonder why the org doesn't keep better tabs on Ophelia? Especially if they send her off to fight an awakened. Maybe them avoiding the need to kill Ophelia gives Irene and Clare a chance to not be detected.
For all we know, they are keeping tabs from a distance. I haven't read the manga, but it wouldn't surprise me to see more claymores pop out to do damage control on this clare/ophelia situation . Heck, maybe the organization knew Irene was alive all along and just didn't want to take the trouble to eliminate a former number 2 when she wasn't causing any problems (this is the same organization that basically tolerates Awakened beings, after all).
What intrigues me is that there have been 3 times in the anime the org knowingly put claymores in extreme stress and danger ( the ideal conditions for awakening):
1) Sending the Priscilla , Irene, Sophia and Noel after teresa
2) Sending the Fab four to be killed by the male awakened being.
3) Sending ophelia and clare to fight(and probably be killed by) an awakened being
Other than event number 2, we haven't seen signs of the organization keeping track of what happened in these fights, let alone having a contingency plan for if things go wrong. Either they're too dumb to realize the high chances of awakenings when they give such missions, or they don't care, or they have some secret reason for wanting awakenings, or they are following events from "off-screen", or its just a plothole. The org's reaction/involvement in this whole Ophelia/Clare/Irene incident over next few eps should give us insight into which option holds.
P.S: twisted_reality, that article on no psychologists was a fun read :). But I can only imagine what would happen if you put ophelia on a psychiatrist's couch :P.
EasyPrey
2007-07-02, 07:02
It's almost a shame that Clare's almost certain to get her arm replaced.
I think it would be a shame for Clare to have her arm replaced. Here is why:
1) According to Anime Laws, the one with the most disabilities, will be the strongest. I.E. A tall muscular fighter, in his prime health will most likely to be defeated by an old fart, that can barely stand and is missing an arm. I hope Clare is missing an arm, that is the only way she will be strong enough to defeat Ophelia (I know that sounds retarded, but those are the Anime laws).
2) I think (but I am not sure), the girl in the water was a not Clare.
3) We are not sure what we are seeing in the preview. A flashback? A flash forward? I know I got fooled when I did not pick up the Tressa Arch was a flashback. I don't intend to repeat that mistake. :)
4) Previews have tendency to be misleading. I would not put too much stock in deducing the story line from the preview. After all, after watching the last week's episode, I came to the conclusion that Clare was going to seduce Ophelia. Look how that turned out. :sad:
-EasyPrey
Defiled one
2007-07-02, 07:03
I wonder how Priscilla would behave :heh:
Priscilla: I loved my Papa....:sad: I killed him...
Shrink: I see...Tell me morre about yourr fatherr :cool:
Priscilla: He was so nice....but my mother wasn`t
Shrink: I see...It must have been harrd...."Scribles more" Patient has Electra complex and behaves rather emotional when speaking of her childhood.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-07-02, 07:16
Why people was obsessed with Ophelia-Claire pairing? This is not Kannduki no Miko or any those lesbian animes. Sheesh.
Why people was obsessed with Ophelia-Claire pairing? This is not Kannduki no Miko or any those lesbian animes. Sheesh.
I'm not surprised that Claymore has attracted the yuri fanboys/fangirls. But, they should keep in mind that Claymore (like Bleach and Naruto) is a "shonen" anime. If they want yuri, they should go somewhere else.
Defiled one
2007-07-02, 08:17
^ No...Itīs perfect the way it is....Trust me.
The voice of Nom Nom as spoken! :heh:
Anyways...Does anyone know who that one eyed Claymore is from? That was seen in the preview? I mean, it had a missing eye. it could be the one to kill Ophelia or save Clare.
D a m i e n
2007-07-02, 08:31
there is something bothering me in that show.
now that simple demons/monsters are not a challenge anymore and that awakened being are the new oponent for claire there is something that bothers me.
from a background PoV awakened beings are from former claymore that behave bad and that no one bothered spanking.
from a shonen PoV the hero cant return to kill small fries instead of the new more powerfull oponent. the hero must keep on killinig/fighting more numerous and more powerefull oponents over and over until end boss.
this bring me to the point that displease me in the script. i mean before claire entered the scene the organisation had left some awakened being roaming around the world having meals left and right whenever they entered a village.
From a shonen perspective Claire will have to fight awakened being one on one then fight two at a time until she has enought HP/power to take on Priscilla in order to keep on following the shonen powerhungry curve.
hence the so to keep Claire busy it means that there must be HUGE number of awakened around meaning that before the "Claire time" the organisation was or is loosing more claymore than they produced or that they never bothered dealing with them before the show introduced them.
hence the "flaw" that is bothering me in the script.
If claire was to loose to her arm permanently so that simple demon were to become a challenge again that would then defeat the curve of evolution of the character (hell even Guts has "lost a forearm" yet has a substitute to make it like there is no severed limb so that he can keep on fight more powerfull foes).
so what ever direction the story follow there is either breaking the curve or showing a "flaw" in preparation of the plot with organisation miraculously realizing they now have to deal with awakened beings.
well, from what i can tell every new arc is going to have a new batch of characters except Clare, even Raki is gone! But no one cares about Raki anyways...
we will see that 1 eyed claymore next episode:) might not even be a ally for Clare or Irene
I do! I'm not a Raki hater. And i think he and Clare will make a cute (and funny) couple someday...
*Imaginating* :P
CLARE: Honey, i'm in hooooome!
RAKI (using an apron): Ah, Clare! Welcome back. How was your work today?
CLARE: Whew! A lot hard. I fought ten youmas, two Awaked Ones and one sick twisted co-worker who thought i was going too good for a low-ranked Claymore. Sometimes i think i'm giving one arm and two legs for this job.
RAKI: Oh really?! Here, let me guard your sword and armor inside the closet.
CLARE: Thanks! Let me rest a little reading the newspaper "CLAYMORE TODAY"... Heck! Miria is the employed of the month AGAIN?!
RAKI: Clare, what about we go to Rabona tomorrow? There's some curtains i want to buy there.
CLARE: Oh i'm sorry, but i invited some co-workers to dinner with us tomorrow.
RAKI: Who?!
CLARE: Helen and Deneve.
RAKI: No! Not Helen!! She's allways making a move on me and touching my butt when you're not looking... even when she's more than twenty yards far from me! (starts crying)
EDIT...
CLARE: What? Really?!
RAKI (still sobbing): Yeah. The other day when you was not around she came here and spoke in my ear: "If you think my hands are strange, just wait to see what i can do with my tongue...".
:D :D :D
Defiled one
2007-07-02, 09:00
Priceless!!! Raki suffers alot
there is something bothering me in that show.
now that simple demons/monsters are not a challenge anymore and that awakened being are the new oponent for claire there is something that bothers me.
from a background PoV awakened beings are from former claymore that behave bad and that no one bothered spanking.
from a shonen PoV the hero cant return to kill small fries instead of the new more powerfull oponent. the hero must keep on killinig/fighting more numerous and more powerefull oponents over and over until end boss.
this bring me to the point that displease me in the script. i mean before claire entered the scene the organisation had left some awakened being roaming around the world having meals left and right whenever they entered a village.
From a shonen perspective Claire will have to fight awakened being one on one then fight two at a time until she has enought HP/power to take on Priscilla in order to keep on following the shonen powerhungry curve.
hence the so to keep Claire busy it means that there must be HUGE number of awakened around meaning that before the "Claire time" the organisation was or is loosing more claymore than they produced or that they never bothered dealing with them before the show introduced them.
hence the "flaw" that is bothering me in the script.
If claire was to loose to her arm permanently so that simple demon were to become a challenge again that would then defeat the curve of evolution of the character (hell even Guts has "lost a forearm" yet has a substitute to make it like there is no severed limb so that he can keep on fight more powerfull foes).
so what ever direction the story follow there is either breaking the curve or showing a "flaw" in preparation of the plot with organisation miraculously realizing they now have to deal with awakened beings.
Well, fighting awakened beings isn't the only way to get stronger. There are also claymores she might have to fight (like Ophelia) and she can go into training (like learning Irene's flash sword). Also, there's no reason to assume that Claire will have to take on the stronger awakened beings up to Priscilla by herself.
As for the organization's stance on awakened beings, they treat them like regular yoma. If they get a request, they will act on it.
grey_moon
2007-07-02, 09:16
What intrigues me is that there have been 3 times in the anime the org knowingly put claymores in extreme stress and danger ( the ideal conditions for awakening):
1) Sending the Priscilla , Irene, Sophia and Noel after teresa
2) Sending the Fab four to be killed by the male awakened being.
3) Sending ophelia and clare to fight(and probably be killed by) an awakened being
Other than event number 2, we haven't seen signs of the organization keeping track of what happened in these fights, let alone having a contingency plan for if things go wrong. Either they're too dumb to realize the high chances of awakenings when they give such missions, or they don't care, or they have some secret reason for wanting awakenings, or they are following events from "off-screen", or its just a plothole. The org's reaction/involvement in this whole Ophelia/Clare/Irene incident over next few eps should give us insight into which option holds.
P.S: twisted_reality, that article on no psychologists was a fun read :). But I can only imagine what would happen if you put ophelia on a psychiatrist's couch :P.
The org seem a bit moronic imo, I just realised I am making an assumption that they would be keeping tabs on the Claymores based on them realising that Terese had wiped a bunch of scum sucking pond weed scum off the face of the earth. But thinking about what Ophelia had said it seems that she has killed humies many times before. If she has killed humans before, I wonder what she does different to allow her to not be noticed by the org. I mean there is no way I personally would flag Terese higher risk then Ophelia, but then again I have watched epi 11 and 12 and the org hasn't :p
LMAO @ the last line of Raki's house wife dialogue :)
zato_1one
2007-07-02, 09:19
@D a m i e n
Stay at ease. If at this point is still not enough then you will know soon why we manga reader are so obsess with this series right now. :D
Again, just wait and see. :eyespin:
Waiting patiently for next episode...
Ejinathan
2007-07-02, 10:03
PGilis you're story is just perfect haha :D
Anyway i hope that once i can see their real colors properly without to much shade background :p.
TinyRedLeaf
2007-07-02, 10:35
there is something bothering me in that show.
now that simple demons/monsters are not a challenge anymore and that awakened being are the new oponent for claire there is something that bothers me....
...If claire was to loose to her arm permanently so that simple demon were to become a challenge again that would then defeat the curve of evolution of the character (hell even Guts has "lost a forearm" yet has a substitute to make it like there is no severed limb so that he can keep on fight more powerfull foes).
so what ever direction the story follow there is either breaking the curve or showing a "flaw" in preparation of the plot with organisation miraculously realizing they now have to deal with awakened beings.
Hmm...not sure if I've correctly understood your post. If you're commenting on how the tone of the story changed after Episode 9 or 10, then I would agree. Claymore is no longer a "monster-of-the-week" show that it at first appeared to be.
Certainly, now that Awakened Beings have been introduced, normal youma seem...quite pointless now. Up until now, we've been made to think that they were the greatest threat to mankind. Now, we realise that the real threats are Awakened Beings instead. (Well...there's more. But all will soon be revealed.)
I've speculated elsewhere that this marks a critical turning point in both the anime and the manga. With hindsight, I suspect that a sudden blast of inspiration hit the mangaka around this point, prompting him to push what could have been an ordinary series into much more exciting territory. Nonetheless, it did come at a price, because the sudden shift in momentum left some plotholes that I think the mangaka is only now beginning to address.
Anyways, enjoy the show for what it is. The best is yet to come. ;)
Ejinathan
2007-07-02, 10:52
Still Rubel try to avoid killing awakened ones. Like he said about Priscilla.
"If we are ordered to kill her, i would put everyone in this mission".
But if he would do that his life could get pwned >< and he got a bigger chance to lose his army of claymores.
thinking about what Ophelia had said it seems that she has killed humies many times before. If she has killed humans before, I wonder what she does different to allow her to not be noticed by the org. I mean there is no way I personally would flag Terese higher risk then Ophelia, but then again I have watched epi 11 and 12 and the org hasn't :p
Maybe they have noticed Ophelia's murders, but after the teresa incident, they try to be more subtle in their methods? After all, sending an elite squad to wipe Teresa out turned out badly. The problem with sending Claymores to kill Claymores is that whichever side is losing; there's a chance of going "Awakened" and wreaking havoc(and killing Organization human resources).
On the other hand, if u try to get a problem child wiped out by an Awakened Being, you don't suffer any losses even if she goes Berserk Awakened and wipes out the Awakened Being. All that happens then is that one awakened being has died, to be replaced by another. No claymore casualties, no net increases in the total Awakened Being headcount.
why hasnt priscila been "requested" upon? surely she has to eat guts to survive. How absurdly powerful would she have to be to need the entire claymore army on her butt.
TinyRedLeaf
2007-07-02, 11:32
why hasnt priscila been "requested" upon? surely she has to eat guts to survive. How absurdly powerful would she have to be to need the entire claymore army on her butt.
Hmm...maybe because she "took no prisoners"? It's kind of difficult for a ghost town to send a request to kill a Voracious Eater. :heh:
Defiled one
2007-07-02, 11:35
Nope...Rubel said they would measure their strenght and the awakened strenght. Plus if the money was worth it and they had possibilites of winning....
So..they just let her roaming around while the Order says
"It was a weather ballon!!! NO CONSPIRACY!! WE ARE NOT CROOKS!!"
NightbatŪ
2007-07-02, 12:17
As non-manga reader, my theories why the Org let's someone like Ophelia run wild
is because they've become corrupted
Keep the people in fear (wether it be by Yoma/AO or ophelia and other Wild Claymores)
and you can count on a steady income
dutchman
2007-07-02, 13:58
Well... not entirely true. If you're bothered by the fanboys/fangirls now then just wait till future episodes. Below is my reason. It has some very light spoilers as it mentions character introductions that are yet to happen.
removed it myself don't wanna be banned
Heya Ynglingatal,
I fully agree what you are saying about the yuri part and that fanboys/girls will always find proof of it.
However what is under your spoiler tag will probably earn you a warning from a moderator if he comes by. Because it involves future story developments which haven't aired yet in the anime. If you want to discuss this topic you can best post it in the "anime venting" and/or "japanese manga" threads.
As non-manga reader, my theories why the Org let's someone like Ophelia run wild
is because they've become corrupted
Keep the people in fear (wether it be by Yoma/AO or ophelia and other Wild Claymores)
and you can count on a steady income
i think they've been like that since the beginning.
As non-manga reader, my theories why the Org let's someone like Ophelia run wild is because they've become corruptedOr, as the easiest answer, and like she said, she gets rid of any possible witness of her acts. If she is capable of noticing the watchers (from the organization) around her, that is highly possible.
NoSanninWa
2007-07-02, 17:57
Still Rubel try to avoid killing awakened ones. Like he said about Priscilla.
"If we are ordered to kill her, i would put everyone in this mission".
But if he would do that his life could get pwned >< and he got a bigger chance to lose his army of claymores.
That's not what Rubel said. He said that if a request came to kill Priscilla, the people in charge would balance the total fighting strength of the Organization against Priscilla's strength and then decide what to do. This implies that they might decide Priscilla is too powerful for the Organization to fight. Wow.
why hasnt priscila been "requested" upon? surely she has to eat guts to survive. How absurdly powerful would she have to be to need the entire claymore army on her butt.Good questions! The answers (spoilers) will not appear in an episode discussion thread, though you are welcome to speculate.
Rubel does go on and say that the Current #1 and #2 are quite powerful. Rubel also point out that Clare is really not that strong wish was first hint that Clare is the lowest rank in the Organization.
how come irene didnt even attempt to grow back her lost arm? or is she just a special case being so specialized in offense?
Hopefully they'll explain it...maybe she couldn't, or didn't want to, or doesn't know how, or....lots of mysteries about the Claymores that hopefully is revealed later. I'm wondering what's the difference between an "offensive type" and a "defensive type"...they both kill yomas as quickly as possible...right?
NoSanninWa
2007-07-02, 20:46
Irene already explained the difference between offensive and defensive types. Ofensive types have stronger attack power at the expense of not being able to regenerate lost body parts and slower healing rate.
In other words they do not both kill youmas as quickly as possible. Offensive types kill youma quicker, but Defensive types are better able to recover from injury.
Rubel does go on and say that the Current #1 and #2 are quite powerful. Rubel also point out that Clare is really not that strong wish was first hint that Clare is the lowest rank in the Organization.
i would imagine theres a big power leap from 1,2 to 3 and below, just like from 5 to 6 and below. i doubt they are anywhere near where teresa was though.
grey_moon
2007-07-03, 00:50
Maybe they have noticed Ophelia's murders, but after the teresa incident, they try to be more subtle in their methods? After all, sending an elite squad to wipe Teresa out turned out badly. The problem with sending Claymores to kill Claymores is that whichever side is losing; there's a chance of going "Awakened" and wreaking havoc(and killing Organization human resources).
On the other hand, if u try to get a problem child wiped out by an Awakened Being, you don't suffer any losses even if she goes Berserk Awakened and wipes out the Awakened Being. All that happens then is that one awakened being has died, to be replaced by another. No claymore casualties, no net increases in the total Awakened Being headcount.
Ah, for some reason I stupidly didn't consider that they were trying to get rid of Ophelia. :twitch:
That does make a lot more sense now and I really like your justification for it too.
In regards to Priscilla's power, I think this is a hard one to judge, but from what we have been told is that her latent power is greater then Terese's and Terese could pwn 2 to 5 without even changing her eyes. She was able to how off an near awakened Priscilla with only hitting 10% of her power.
Awakening increases their powers by some order, it basically put Clare who is not as powerful as normal claymore and who has concentrated on sensing rather then attacking on the same level as 6 downwards.
Now if we could only know what the multiplier is for awakening and if there is any claymore who is more powerful then Terese, then we could have a better chance to guess Priscilla's power level and if she can get beaten.
But I truely believe that power isn't the way to beat her. I think it is the tactic that Clare has chosen based on Terese. It doesn't matter how powerful someone is if they can't hit them. But then again I wonder if their power can buff up their natural armour? We have already seen Clare have issues with killing the male awakened....
noinimod
2007-07-03, 05:53
Really enjoyed this episode, and can someone tell me which vol of the manga the anime is at as of ep13?
toxic_trance
2007-07-03, 06:04
With Ep 13..we are almost at the end of Vol 7..Next Episode will finsh Volume 7 and go on to Vol 8
Defiled one
2007-07-03, 06:16
With Ep 13..we are almost at the end of Vol 7..Next Episode will finsh Volume 7 and go on to Vol 8
And so, the real battle starts. Romance, betrayal, anguish, and the failure...The legend of Clare. :rolleyes:
NoSanninWa
2007-07-03, 06:30
And so, the real battle starts. Romance, betrayal, anguish, and the failure...The legend of Clare. :rolleyes:
After reading that I feel that I should cite you for spoilers, but can't figure out what you're talking about even though I've already read the manga. :rolleyes:
Maybe I should just cite you for gibberish instead. ;)
Ejinathan
2007-07-03, 07:46
And so, the real battle starts. Romance, betrayal, anguish, and the failure...The legend of Clare. :rolleyes:
Be carefull next time, my eyes hurts :heh:
Defiled one
2007-07-03, 07:55
AH! thought you could nail me? :heh: I wonīt be fooled in to spoiling anything.
a bit odd but could a defensive claymore regenerate an arm, cut it off, give it to clare, and regenerate it back? she wouldnt be fighting or anything so she could focus all her yoki to regenin.
Ejinathan
2007-07-03, 11:34
That's not what Rubel said. He said that if a request came to kill Priscilla, the people in charge would balance the total fighting strength of the Organization against Priscilla's strength and then decide what to do. This implies that they might decide Priscilla is too powerful for the Organization to fight. Wow.
Look there i was just saying something with the same meaning. It's some time i've checked that ep and i'm sure you looked back at the ep to write it back down :).
I gues it's not only against Priscilla asswell. There must be other very strong awakened ones i guess ... are there ?
Mmh, I think I never saw Anime fans accepting a changed name that easily, apart from Ash in Pokemon maybe. He is not called Rubel at all :heh:
ArmisaelXVIII
2007-07-03, 16:48
Look there i was just saying something with the same meaning. It's some time i've checked that ep and i'm sure you looked back at the ep to write it back down :).
I gues it's not only against Priscilla asswell. There must be other very strong awakened ones i guess ... are there ?
It would be natural if there was at least one awakened that could match or even overpower priscilla...
Teresa was the 77th class. That makes 76 generations full of 0-digit that could possibly became awakened beings (and some of them male AB). And after Teresa may also be some new ones from the top five. But it's still hard to think in anything more powerfull. :P
NoSanninWa
2007-07-03, 16:50
Look there i was just saying something with the same meaning. It's some time i've checked that ep and i'm sure you looked back at the ep to write it back down :).
I gues it's not only against Priscilla asswell. There must be other very strong awakened ones i guess ... are there ?
No, I didn't need to check the episode. I've got a pretty good memory. My point was that your statement had a very different meaning. You implied (perhaps accidently) that the Organization would definitely fight against Priscilla with all their strength. Rubel said that they might decide not to fight Priscilla because she might be too powerful to stop even with all their strength.
Twisted Reality
2007-07-03, 21:41
I'm just want to reiterate that even though I'm not a fan of shounen fighting shows, Claymore is one of the best shows I've seen this year. This episode, in particular, positively broadcasts it's wuxia roots. It's almost a shame that Clare's almost certain to get her arm replaced.
I've felt for a long time that most shounen fighting shows are based on wuxia templates. As an extension of that, pretty much any show with some sort of spiritual energy is similar to the mythical depictions of chi.
Off-topic:
That's a great read. I'd like to point out that many anime also remove the parents (predominantly the mother) so that the responsibility has to be bourne by the protagonists.
Child Services Doesn't Have Much Presence (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ParentalAbandonment)
My Kung-Fu is Stronger Than Yours (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MyKungFuIsStrongerThanYours)
It would be natural if there was at least one awakened that could match or even overpower priscilla...
Teresa was the 77th class. That makes 76 generations full of 0-digit that could possibly became awakened beings (and some of them male AB). And after Teresa may also be some new ones from the top five. But it's still hard to think in anything more powerfull. :P
If i'm not mistake, that M.I.B. back in episode 05 said Teresa was the 178th warrior created by the Organization. If they really created 47 warriors in every class, Teresa would have a number a lot bigger.
Most likely, they create a new class of a few Claymores from times to times, as substitutes of warriors already dead or Awaked. That means in a group of 47 Claymores, we can see warriors from different classes - newcomers and veterans - working together.
I would say that every class has it A+ students, B students, C students and it D- student. The one that are A student generally land the top 10 rank of Claymore. Some one like Clare who is consider a D student land in the bottom. They only replace rank if any die during a fight with AB or Yoma. I think most send their Black Letter before they turn to AB. Only a few who lose them self in battle are the one who turn AB which I would guess is rare but not uncommon situation for it to happen. Even Teresa class would have it share of C and D student so not all are crazy powerful.
Anh_Minh
2007-07-04, 10:36
Actually, since there are nine single digit, even if each one only kills one Awakened Being a year, that still leaves nine Claymores awakening every year just to keep the numbers stable.
NoSanninWa
2007-07-04, 16:31
When one looks at the numbers that way it seems that the Organization is much more troublesome than the youma that they fight.
ArmisaelXVIII
2007-07-04, 21:59
When one looks at the numbers that way it seems that the Organization is much more troublesome than the youma that they fight.
It somehow reminds me of antivirus software. I suppose the organization should be something more than just a tool to make money, it must go anywhere.
Gundampilotspaz
2007-07-23, 21:22
When one looks at the numbers that way it seems that the Organization is much more troublesome than the youma that they fight.
But look at the number of Yoma there are! Just Claire has killed more than 20 since the start of the series in one of 47 regions. Plus Claire being the weakest of Claymore, her region could be the least infected.
So a few dozen AB around in exchange for thousand of Yoma killed isn't such a bad tradeoff
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