Claymore - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[EasyPrey]

Yay! First Post. :)

Lets see if my prediction of Yuri love will come true . . .

-EasyPrey

[cors8]

Yay! First Post. :)

Lets see if my prediction of Yuri love will come true . . .

-EasyPrey

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[Squawks]

You're setting yourself up for disappointment.I bet Clare would consider helping her a hand though. :P

[Cats]

Hope for a powa-up ~ :D
How much time left?

[toxic_trance]

Wow..a thread already..well ippai ippai Ophelia Goodness in this episode. Simply cant wait. I hope Ophelia is better colored in this episode though. Last one she looked pretty pale. I want lots n lots of blood and action in this episode ^_^

[Ellis]

I hope Clare won't suffer too much :(

[t3ck]

I'm having high expectation for the episode. Especially the re-entry of the forgotten warrior!

[pomps]

Argg, I missed this episode, woke up right after the ending T_T, shikushiku.

[B-day]

I'm having high expectation for the episode. Especially the re-entry of the forgotten warrior!

Forgotten warrior? you mean Miss p???? ears!:eyespin:

[CodySilver]

Argg, I missed this episode, woke up right after the ending T_T, shikushiku.

oh lol ,ahehaeha, Id never miss it if I had a chance like that.

Ok, subba, gambate!

[NoSanninWa]

Since this aired a few hours ago, can anyone tell me where this episode ends so I know how to prosecute spoilers? Thanks.
Argg, I missed this episode, woke up right after the ending T_T, shikushiku.I guess you won't be helping me out then. ;) Ah, well.

[hi no ken Jebus]

Since this aired a few hours ago, can anyone tell me where this episode ends so I know how to prosecute spoilers? Thanks.

I guess you won't be helping me out then. ;) Ah, well.

The episode ends at chapter 37 when Ophelia wakes up after the stormy night saying she wants to eat innards/guts and the preview shows a new claymore and Ophelia's awakened form. Hope that helps;)

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/3236/cm13mp9.th.jpg (http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cm13mp9.jpg)

[NoSanninWa]

Oooooo! Thanks. I can't wait for episode 14! :D

Yay! First Post. :)

Lets see if my prediction of Yuri love will come true . . .

-EasyPreySorry EasyPrey, it seems that Clare was playing hard to get, but maybe next time... After all, sometimes when a girl runs away she really wants to be chased. ;)

[cors8]

Oooooo! Thanks. I can't wait for episode 14! :D

Sorry EasyPrey, it seems that Clare was playing hard to get, but maybe next time... After all, sometimes when a girl runs away she really wants to be chased. ;)

I guess chopping off legs is also a sign of love.....

[dxanato]

I hope Clare won't suffer too much :(

It no fun if Clare does not suffer. This episode does give Clare it share of suffering.

[wrex_japan]

It no fun if Clare does not suffer. This episode does give Clare it share of suffering.

Well, a lot of shock for her... it's no fun getting your limbs chopped up. Ep. 13 Screencaps and summary. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=549)

Ripple Sword vs. Super Speed Sword.

[cors8]

Well, a lot of shock for her... it's no fun getting your limbs chopped up. Ep. 13 Screencaps and summary. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=549)

Ripple Sword vs. Super Speed Sword.

Teresa's generation shows again how much they kick ass compared to the current one!

[The-Ghost]

and heres a link to Omnis blog of it as well http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/06/26/claymore-13/

[Tempest35]

Two words: IRENE-SAMA~!

Thank you. ^^

And I really can't remember a main character of a shounen anime shown to be in this much peril of their life. Not in Bleach when Ichigo got run through by Byakukya the first time did I feel a sense of 'Oooooo, they're gonna DIE!" Maybe once in Rave Master manga...but anywhere else - Nada.

This really drives home what makes Claymore so different from other shounen series. Even though Clare's the main character - the fact that she can die just like the rest is always apparent.

Kudos to Yagi-san first, and to Madhouse. :D

*goes back to worshipping Irene at my shrine*

[dxanato]

Teresa's generation shows again how much they kick ass compared to the current one!

I been wondering about that myself lately. I don't want to go in theory here in this thread but Irene swordsmanship is quite supper to Ophelia Ripple Swords attacks. It cool to see Clare learn it with her left hand. It not easy to learn how do thing once you lose one you arms.

[Joka]

I still say that Raki needs to become a male Claymore and fucking kill 4 Awakened Beings at the same time with using just a kitchen knife.

[Yorae_paladin1]

I still say that Raki needs to become a male Claymore and fucking kill 4 Awakened Beings at the same time with using just a kitchen knife.

Its impossible the org will not allow it males are more suseptible to awakening than females they laerned that lesson with isley and several male awakened. I would prefer he grew strong on his own and not become a monster

[Westlo]

The stills look gorgeous but how's the actual animation in this episode?

[killer3000ad]

Some of the sword fight scenes in this are the speeded up type we saw when Miria was testing Claire. Overall the animation was quite good and the character designs appear to have returned to their original instead of the different look we got in episode 12.

In other news, Ophelia's weight loss program is doing wonders for Claire's figure.

[dutchman]

I am glad that they managed to draw Ophelia a lot better then the last episode. The fights were also beautifully displayed. And of course the return of our 'quicksword' Irene is the icing on the cake:-)

[B-day]

God, Irene is really cool, even better than in manga.:)

[Kouvley]

The way the characters were drawn was much more consistant this week, animation was also good.:)

-Ophelia continues her fun and games much to the dismay of Clare and her various limbs.:heh:
-Until Irene comes to save the day!! Suprisingly, Ophelia is no where near Irene's level and gets beaten effortlessly.
-Ophelia awakens?! wow, I thought there was the possibility she might but not this soon.

[Lendial]

i could never resist reading ep spoilers instead of waiting a day or two till i can actualy watch them , claymore is just that addicting. even if i know whats going to happen im still much more excited to see claymore than even naruto/bleach manga chapters (i wont mention their animes for obvious reasons).

[HeeroX]

Poor Claire, even if she manages to learn the rapid sword, she only has one hand :(

[cors8]

Poor Claire, even if she manages to learn the rapid sword, she only has one hand :(

Well so does Irene.

[Sordes Pilosus]

Well its stil an awsome episode. I gave the last a 7 but this one is a definate 9. But the next few chapters from now on is going to be mind blowing. Arg to think i gave this a 9.. the future ones with only 1 point differance.. its just not right.

[cf18]

I wonder if Clare's right arm will stay that way.

Will she:
1) Learn a few tricks from Deneve and grow the arm back in half-awaken state?
2) Take an arm from a dying comrade? She just meet someone with a super right arm...
3) Take an arm from a dead awaken one? Yoma?
4) Take an arm from a random dead human?
5) Attach a hook to it? :p


In the preview, it looks like Clare in the underwater scene, and she has a right hand there.

Also who would be that new one missing an eye? Noel?

[KiNA]

O_O;;

^ I haven't watched the episode yet.. but Ophelia said that both she and Clare is offensive type.. so your 1st option would not be feasible O:

Poor Clare.. this arc sux so much for her =/

[FlareKnight]

Nice to have Irene back. Just knew she'd come in to save the day and man she just took Ophelia down without a problem. Not quite surprising that she easily took down the current #4 considering she was a #2 and #3. But yeah the old guard completely rules and Ophelia couldn't pull anything off.

I was completely surprised when she got back up really thought she was dead this time. Really I probably shouldn't have been surprised but I was. That survival ability of hers really is something for her to still come back. What do they need to do in order to kill her exactly? Tear her apart and bury her limbs in the four corners of the earth?

Wow had a feeling Irene would be a little wounded after barely surviving but ouch didn't think she'd have permanently lost her arm. But still she rules.

[cf18]

I was completely surprised when she got back up really thought she was dead this time. Really I probably shouldn't have been surprised but I was.

I was not surprised, in fact I was expecting her to "save the day". That's because her face is alway present in the OP, unlike Noel and Sophia. And then the preview from ep 12 talk about a warrior from the past.

What surpise me is Ophelia would just awaken so early. I was expecting her to play a bigger role in the story.

[FlareKnight]

I was not surprised, in fact I was expecting her to "save the day". That's because her face is alway present in the OP, unlike Noel and Sophia. And then the preview from ep 12 talk about a warrior from the past.

Oh sorry probably wasn't too clear in the wording. Was actually referring to Ophelia. I was guessing Irene was the warrior who was going to show up.

[EasyPrey]

The way the characters were drawn was much more consistant this week, animation was also good.:)

Thank God. Lets hope that means less number of manga readers that are upset this week.

Last week, the episode thread was filed with 16 pages of bitch-fest about how the Anime was different than the manga.

Is it even possible that some people just want to enjoy the Anime and not care how the manga was drawn?

I am hoping that the manga readers will refrain themselves this week and not unintentionally destroy the Anime experience.

So, I kindly ask the Manga readers to not point out differences between the Manga and the Anime.

-EasyPrey

PS. There is a thread, specifically for Manga readers to bitch about differences between Anime and Manga: [Manga] Spoiler venting thread (about anime) for Claymore (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46914)

PPS. Manga readers: If there is going to be Yuri love coming up, then by all means tell us about it. ;) :D

[Fenrir_valindri]

Now now for those talking about how much Irene owned Ophelia, you have to remember Ophelia is #4 while Irene used to be #2 that can be a pretty big rank and power difference, I am quite sure Ophelia would have matched up quite well to Noel or Sophia. Glad to see the animation back up to par as well. :D

[stormy001_M1A2]

Looks great. Ilena/Irene cool, sensual and elegance presence is back. Yahoo.

[Majek]

Its impossible the org will not allow it males are more suseptible to awakening than females they laerned that lesson with isley and several male awakened. I would prefer he grew strong on his own and not become a monster
This is shonen, nothing is impossible. There's always another mad scientists/montser maker out there.

[Fenrir_valindri]

In all honesty it is nearly impossible to ask someone who is a manga reader not to compare the anime to the manga, it is like asking someone to watch the remake of one of their favorite movies and to not compare it to the original. It simply does not work out and it is unreasonable to ask otherwise :p

The reason people complained about the differences last time, was because it caused the feel of the entire episode to be off, Ophelia's character could be felt much better in this episode then the last one.

Fan service ahoy next episode judging from the preview though, Ophelia sure looks sensual in the preview :D

[stormy001_M1A2]

Being a manga reader to the latest chapter, however did not make me having unrealistic expectation of the anime. Madhouse have certain budget work with and it is understandable that they have to cut corners here and there to ensure overall quality of work. We all can dream of exact replica of the manga view in anime format but money is always the problem. Extra animation means more money.

Hence I just shake my head in bemusement when people compared anime and manga and being so picky about it.

[Westlo]

Now now for those talking about how much Irene owned Ophelia, you have to remember Ophelia is #4 while Irene used to be #2 that can be a pretty big rank and power difference, I am quite sure Ophelia would have matched up quite well to Noel or Sophia. Glad to see the animation back up to par as well. :D

Hmm

I have no doubt that Irene is stronger but Ophelias was Paper to Irenes Scissor, I also think Ophelia would've matched up well against Noel/Sophia.

[dutchman]

Looks great. Ilena/Irene cool, sensual and elegance presence is back. Yahoo.

You forgot to mention her (pointy) ears in that list ;)

[Sage]

I still say that Raki needs to become a male Claymore and fucking kill 4 Awakened Beings at the same time with using just a kitchen knife.

Or better yet... with a spoon!

[PGilis]

Or better yet... with a spoon!

Hey you guys. Stop messing with Clare's "wife"! :D

I'm just loving every episode of this series. It keeps going better and better. But all this fight against Ophelia makes me wonder...

1) Ophelia owned Clare... HARD!
2) One-armed Irene owned Ophelia... HARD!
3) Teresa owned Two-armed Irene+Priscilla+Sophia+Noel.
4) Awaked Priscilla owned/cheated Teresa. [ cries for Teresa :upset: ]
5) Clare wants Awaked-Priscilla's head.

If A.O.Priscila >>>> Irene >> Ophelia >>>>> Clare, how many power levels Clare needs to get in order to someday defeat A.O. Priscilla? :confused:

[akimoko]

can't wait for this episode, the subbed version should be released any minute now....right?

[Anh_Minh]

I don't think she'll ever be able to take Priscilla in a straight up, one on one fight.

Maybe she'll find some way to even the odds. (Poison, explosives, offering Raki as a reward to any Awakened Being who agrees to help her kill Priscilla...)

[CodySilver]

can't wait for this episode, the subbed version should be released any minute now....right?

my F5 key here is melting....

can't wait to see my Claire being crippled

[EasyPrey]

If A.O.Priscila >>>> Irene >> Ophelia >>>>> Clare, how many power levels Clare needs to get in order to someday defeat A.O. Priscilla? :confused:

42. That is the Answer to The Ultimate Question Of Life, the Universe and Everything (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything) :D

-EasyPrey

[SimplyEd]

42. That is the Answer to The Ultimate Question Of Life, the Universe and Everything (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything) :D

-EasyPrey

Too bad its not 47....;)

[CodySilver]

it's out, OMG....

lets see, lets see....

[D a m i e n]

NM someone told me it wild guess about episodes were not good when there is already a summary of the episode in spoiler tag...

[cf18]

^ I haven't watched the episode yet.. but Ophelia said that both she and Clare is offensive type.. so your 1st option would not be feasible O:


OK OK how about this
5) At the next half-awakened union meeting...
Deneve: (see Clare's missing arm) "..." (Cut her right arm off, throw it to Clare)
Miria: :twitch:
Helen: :eek:
Clare: "..." (Pick up arm) "Thanks" (Attach arm, eyes turn yellow)
(Ten minutes later, two "new" arms.)
Miria: :frustrated: :nono:
Helen: :D

:joke:

[Negativedark]

Or...
Deneve see's Claire missing an arm
Devene-Damn it not again.
Gives Claire an arm.
Miria-Again?
Deneve-I have to do this about twice a week for Helen.

[SimplyEd]

Oi, Deneve ain't no spare-parts warehouse! :D

[cors8]

Just watched it.

Have to agree Ophelia comes out much better than the previous episode.

The Clare/Irene interaction was nice too. Both are trapped in the past but each went in a different direction.

Looking forward to the next episode, though I wish they used the manga title "Fit for Battle" instead of "Qualifed to Fight".

[Mentar]

The thing is that the title is not about "Fitness", in the meaning of "train enough".

It's rather about the mental part, having the ability to fight, the mindset and
motivation, and being qualified to carry on.

[Wosho128]

Why is this anime so great? I've been thrilled for 13 weeks straight. This week was no different. Irene is awesome; I thought she was sort of plain when she first appeared in the series but she might become my favorite character in future episodes. She reminds me of a one-armed Hiko from Rurouni Kenshin. She's a bit of a hermit but a skilled one. I'm always a fan of the loner "I can still kick your ass" types.

I didn't like the fact that I saw Clare ripped from piece to piece for more than 10 minutes but it was well worth it to see Irene save the day. What's funny is that I find myself liking Ophelia as well. She's one of the most twisted characters I've ever seen.

When I saw she was behind Clare after the cliff drop; I was scared myself.

[v1cious]

wow, is it just me? or did the quality go down a niche in this episode. i mean normally i don't complain about this sort of thing, but it felt there were a lot of corners cut in places. for example the whole fight between Clare and Ophelia looked like a slide show.

that aside, this episode was awesome, a couple of interesting plot twists.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Was a bit disappointed in that myself, but as certain people say we have to bend over and take it because of the budget. :( I just hope they use the better half of there budget for some of the upcoming awesome episodes. :D

I was just glad they did Ophelia and Irene right in this episode, the fight was cut up of course (which is odd considering how they add in extra scenes to slow down previous episodes), but most of the important bits were there.

The actual quality of the episode itself was quite high though.

[Goofus Maximus]

Downloading the Eclipse fansub version as I type.

Okay. This was better than ep 12, thank goodness.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

ohhh Irene is back *-* but I felt some pity for her giving up her 'fighting spirit". But well, survival is kind of a noble cause and she was probably forced to be a claymore.

Who would be that o.x claymore? it may be Noel... but... I see it to hard to believe she survived. Ii should be another claymore, a new one. it's even a little hard to believe Irene survived. x_X

[stormy001_M1A2]

ohhh Irene is back *-* but I felt some pity for her giving up her 'fighting spirit". But well, survival is kind of a noble cause and she was probably forced to be a claymore.

Who would be that o.x claymore? it may be Noel... but... I see it to hard to believe she survived. Ii should be another claymore, a new one. it's even a little hard to believe Irene survived. x_X



Sometimes a warrior felt that enough is enough after witness such overwhelming force that he/she can do nothing about it despite all the skills and knowledge the warrior possessed. Not to mention losing a sizable portion of your command despite doing everything to preserve it can undone a warrior fighting spirit.

This is what happened to Irene/Ilena.

Some people call it cowardice, some call it battle exhaustion or fatigue.

[CodySilver]

Just watched it....

This time I have to give this a 10/10.... even with small differences, the overall quality is awesome, Irene is amazing and Claire is crippled.... trying to manage flash sword with her left arm... pretty tough.... poor Claire...

Ophelia looks great in her awakened form, just saw in preview....How would Claire deal with her with just one arm???

ps. No Jelly Job there.... I'd love to see that....

[Kouvley]

Additional thoughts after watching the sub.

-Irene was awsome, I like her new clothes.:D
-No real explaination on how Irene survived but it's likely just down to pure luck and maybe Priscilla not being bothered to verify their deaths since she was thinking about feasting on the nearby village.
-Emi Shinohara done a great job voicing Ophelia, she pulled off that twisted vicious playfulness really well.
-Will Clare go through the rest of the story with just one arm? I hope not! Using Deneve for spare parts actually sounds plausible.:heh:

[PGilis]

Sometimes a warrior felt that enough is enough after witness such overwhelming force that he/she can do nothing about it despite all the skills and knowledge the warrior possessed. Not to mention losing a sizable portion of your command despite doing everything to preserve it can undone a warrior fighting spirit.

This is what happened to Irene/Ilena.

Some people call it cowardice, some call it battle exhaustion or fatigue.



Yeah. And we can't forget Irene didn't want that mission of Hunting Teresa in the first place because she was afraid of her imense power. But unfortunately she was forced to follow orders and hunt the traitor, after all, they're just tools in the hands of the Organization.

Even worse, she trusted the rookie Priscilla could take down Teresa. But not only she was wrong, instead Priscilla "awaked", turning herself in the worst nightmare of the world.

And the traitor she went to hunt was not a menace to the Organization at all. Even though Teresa killed some humans, she was still treating them with respect. Actually, she was even more gentle and compassive than before. If they had left her alone, Teresa would just disappear with no harm to anyone (except maybe some youmas).

Maybe in a way Irene thinks the "awaken" of Priscilla was her own mistake.

EDIT: Just a little question...

If Irene was able to recover herself from the wounds she suffered, why she couldn't recover her right arm, too? After all, even considerating the fact she can't make a new one just like Deneve, she could pretty much attain her original arm back using her healing powers, just like Clare did with her legs in Episode 12. After all, A.O.Priscilla threw her arm back to her.

[yondy]

Excelletn episode, this one takes the spot as my 2nd favorite episode after episode 8.

I'm a manga reader, and no complains from me. Kudos to Madhouse for doing a great job.

[chibamonster]

That was awesome. Made my day. I remember reading this part in the manga and thinking, "Main characters aren't supposed to get this messed up! She's going to die if the author isn't careful! Come on man, there's only so much she can take!" I think it was the first time I was genuinely concerned about the survival of a comic book character. She really didn't stand a chance against Ophelia.

Now Irene and Clare are 1 arm buddies. Good thing one has a right arm and one has a left so they can hold hands. They did a good job on showing how frustrated Ophelia was trying to land an attack on Irene. Haha, not a chance! I'm also a big fan of Irenes voice. She sounds very calm and intelligent.

I was starting to get worried with people talking about animation quality and budget costs until I put in an anime from the mid 90's and saw what animation used to look like for a tv series. That put all my concerns to rest. Claymore is awesome.

[zephyrmiasma]

If Irene was able to recover herself from the wounds she suffered, why she couldn't recover her right arm, too? After all, even considerating the fact she can't make a new one just like Deneve, she could pretty much attain her original arm back using her healing powers, just like Clare did with her legs in Episode 12. After all, A.O.Priscilla threw her arm back to her.

maybe Irene used up all her remaining yoki to heal her life threatening wounds,
and had no more yoki to reattach her arm. and by the time she got her yoki recovered, her arm has already rotten away... or she could have gone unconscience for a few days and the arm can't be reattached back. (too bad they don't have a fridge invented yet lol)

remember Deneve had the same problem after regenerating her arm and couldn't heal her stomach wounds until she had to go awaken form...

[Jerseykid]

Sexy preview

[FlareKnight]

Yeah Irene probably just lucked out that she didn't receive an injury impossible to recover from. Could be she used up too much yoki dealing with all the other wounds and couldn't save the arm.

Good thing her flash sword didn't require two hands to pull off. While she can't do any two handed swings she's probably just as dangerous as ever. Too bad about losing her fighting spirit but it's understandable how she'd feel after all of this. Goes out with a team to hunt down someone she wasn't all that eager to be fighting in the first place. Lose Noel and Sophia, Teresa killed, and have Priscilla awaken. Plus some of it she blames on herself for not taking into account Priscilla's inexperience. Makes sense why she'd like to just step away from it all, though personally I'd like to see her back out there kicking ass.

Good thinking though teaching Clare the flash sword. Probably won't be able to do it to the degree of Irene but that's not really the point. Teresa wasn't as good at the ability either but her ability to detect yoki gave her the advantage.

[toxic_trance]

Deserved a 10 because the adaptation was perfect. Brilliant entry by Irene. Cant think of how they could have made the episode better. Better colored than last week too. Action was there, so no problem...a perfect episode

[Claymore_Obsessed]

Or...
Deneve see's Claire missing an arm
Devene-Damn it not again.
Gives Claire an arm.
Miria-Again?
Deneve-I have to do this about twice a week for Helen.

lol :D
Helen "You see, my arms usually get so entangled it's easier to just cut them and reattach Denev's ones :heh:"

great episode ^^
the Claire-Ofi swordfight was awesome, and I love Irene's voice. Her new outfit is so cool, too!
I also give credit to Ofi's seiyuu, last episode she seemed weird to me, but this episode's performance was great ^^

[Teresa/Clare1415]

I love this episode!:D

[Quakis]

If Irene was able to recover herself from the wounds she suffered, why she couldn't recover her right arm, too? After all, even considerating the fact she can't make a new one just like Deneve, she could pretty much attain her original arm back using her healing powers, just like Clare did with her legs in Episode 12. After all, A.O.Priscilla threw her arm back to her.

Didn't she want to surpress her yoki to hide from the Organization/etc so she was thought of being dead? She'd have to use yoki to heal and ofcourse possibly be known alive and didn't want to risk it?

[steeddy]

Another week, another great episode. They really got Ophelia spot on this time I think, and facial animation in particular seemed to have gone up a notch. Next week promises to be another corker as well.

Only bad point about this episode? We're already halfway through the series :(

[Matrim]

Irene appearing out of the blue to save the day was such an annoying case of Deus ex Machina that it totally ruined this episode for me.

[philosophico]

This has been one of my favorite animes of the year. I didnt know that claire was only 1/4 yoma. Shes more human then demon. Explains why she is the weakest claymore.

[Anh_Minh]

If Irene was able to recover herself from the wounds she suffered, why she couldn't recover her right arm, too? After all, even considerating the fact she can't make a new one just like Deneve, she could pretty much attain her original arm back using her healing powers, just like Clare did with her legs in Episode 12. After all, A.O.Priscilla threw her arm back to her.

She probably fainted before she could reattach it. It saved her life, but cost her the chance to reattach her arm.

[Fenrir_valindri]

Well to be fair, it was either someone saving Clare or Clare going OMFG SUPER-HIDDEN POWER!!11 and defeating Ophelia when she, at this point, stands no chance. So out of those 2 options I would rather have Irene showing up and saving Clare. :D

[Plasoul]

I still say that Raki needs to become a male Claymore and fucking kill 4 Awakened Beings at the same time with using just a kitchen knife.

lol I would love too see that one day ! but It would be cool to see Raki become a powerful human warrior.

[Deathkillz]

whow so Ophelia jumped off the deep end O.O whow could have guess that she ends up being awakened...and from the look of it she seems to have a split personality disorder ~ with all the "onii chan onii chan" thing going on in one minute and the SCREW YOU! in the next...pretty scary stuff :heh:

and for irene to be alive...i kinda half guessed that...and imo she has matured for the better ^.^ clare's arm is disentigrated as well...not good >.<

[Plasoul]

Well to be fair, it was either someone saving Clare or Clare going OMFG SUPER-HIDDEN POWER!!11 and defeating Ophelia when she, at this point, stands no chance. So out of those 2 options I would rather have Irene showing up and saving Clare. :D


I totally agree ! I much prefer it that way. :)

[Claymore_Obsessed]

Irene appearing out of the blue to save the day was such an annoying case of Deus ex Machina that it totally ruined this episode for me.

I'm sorry for you ^^;;

but please consider this is is supposed to be a shonen.
Deus ex Machinas are part of the game, the difference is how the author manages them. Imho Yagi-sensei made a wonderful job there.
(By comparison, I'm thinking about Bleach. Bleach is a good manga, I enjoy it, but its Deus ex Machinas are by far more annoying to me :heh:)

[saravis]

Haha fun episode sheesh never seen so many limbs hack off in an anime. Am I the only one who felt that Ophelia's awakening was completely of the blue? With Priscilla it was understandable she was pushing herself past her limit, but Ophelia was doing no such thing. Even when she was attacking Irene her eyes remained silver. It just seemed kind of strange to me that a top ten would just all of a sudden awaken without any forewarning. Is this just another shonen plot device or is there an actual justification?

[stormy001_M1A2]

Haha fun episode sheesh never seen so many limbs hack off in an anime. Am I the only one who felt that Ophelia's awakening was completely of the blue? With Priscilla it was understandable she was pushing herself past her limit, but Ophelia was doing no such thing. Even when she was attacking Irene her eyes remained silver. It just seemed kind of strange to me that a top ten would just all of a sudden awaken without any forewarning. Is this just another shonen plot device or is there an actual justification?

It is her failure to rein in her anger and it is compounded by the fact she was defeated by unknown opponent which galled her fragile self worth even more. Her self worth is defined by her victories and Awaken Beings kill score. Undoubtedly it gave her an extra edge in her obsession to kill Yomas and Awaken Beings but when it went all wrong, she blame her failure on others and become out of control. Lack of empathy, unreasonable hatred and dissonance of blame are good candidates for negative mental state overflow which cause her to tip over the edge.

Claymore emotional state is big factor in controlling their demonic urges, Ophelia maybe a very skillful warrior with good IQ but her EQ absolutely sucked. Of course the Organization don't give a shit about her lack of EQ as long as she is on their side.

[toxic_trance]

Justification should come by when u come to know Ophelia's past i guess. it will give u a better understanding of her character and why she was o pissed that she awakened.

[Anh_Minh]

Also, she was hurt. Maybe more hurt as she'd ever been since she became a Claymore. And being hurt does lower your limit.

[cors8]

The thing is that the title is not about "Fitness", in the meaning of "train enough".

It's rather about the mental part, having the ability to fight, the mindset and
motivation, and being qualified to carry on.

Being "fit" for battle doesn't equate to being trained enough. I don't think the word "qualified" should be used at all. Just take Priscilla as an example.

In my opinion, she was qualified to fight, but she wasn't fit for battling Teresa yet, mentally and physically.

[saravis]

It is her failure to rein in her anger and it is compounded by the fact she was defeated by unknown opponent which galled her fragile self worth even more. Her self worth is defined by her victories and Awaken Beings kill score. Undoubtedly it gave her an extra edge in her obsession to kill Yomas and Awaken Beings but when it went all wrong, she blame her failure on others and become out of control. Lack of empathy, unreasonable hatred and dissonance of blame are good candidates for negative mental state overflow which cause her to tip over the edge.

Claymore emotional state is big factor in controlling their demonic urges, Ophelia maybe a very skillful warrior with good IQ but her EQ absolutely sucked. Of course the Organization don't give a shit about her lack of EQ as long as she is on their side.

Makes sense. Chalk one up for another ingenious decision by the Org. *sarcasm*
It's kind of ironic you know, the very organization that was established to combat a threat (Yoma) is responsible for creating a far worse one. (AO)

[Deathkillz]

Also, she was hurt. Maybe more hurt as she'd ever been since she became a Claymore. And being hurt does lower your limit.
dont you mean her mental strength? i guess being defeated like that she lost all sense of logic as well as her sanity (i mean to her dark side) ~ i cant wait to hear about her past...the "brother who was eaten in front of her" story seems all to classic so i hope theres a twist :3

now why didnt irene just killed her off while she had a chance? O.o

[stormy001_M1A2]

It makes sense if Ophelia beat a hasty retreat after her brief encounter with Irene/Ilena. And Irene/Ilena have to check if Claire is alive or not, so there is good reason as to why she did not pursue wounded Ophelia to finish her off. Plus Ophelia can run as earlier scenes of her intercepting running Claire indicated.

Well for something to ponder about, I do notice that Claire got her face shoved into something a lot of times. LOL

[Anh_Minh]

Well, that, too. But I meant physically hurt.

[Ejinathan]

Somehow i was always thinking about what if Irene survived and just when i check that episode ploof shes back heh.

Also i tought that Ophelia was far more grazy ... i even doubted if Teresa could keep up with her. Anyway i'm relieved now that ophelia is no match to Irene or Teresa.

So Ophelia was a weakling after all i guess haha :naughty:.


Also kinda emotional when Clare said that Teresa's everything for her :cry




I felt directly in love with claymore, damn it became my anime nr 1 in no time.

[cors8]

Well for something to ponder about, I do notice that Claire got her face shoved into something a lot of times. LOL

Won't be the last time either!

Inc Yuri fanboys....

[Ellis]

Rhaaaa, awesome episode...
This really became my favorite anime !

[Tempest35]

Heh, watched it 3 straight times now and I fell in love with Irene all over again. Great to see her in something other than that armor. :D

And comparing the two paths that Irene and Clare took, this was a very human set of choices. Irene made a smart decision - I don't think that anyone can honestly blame her for calling it quits and living in isolation (althought she could have picked up herself a 'Rak' of her own' :D ). Awakened Priscilla's power scared the fight right out of a #2 Rank - THAT would have to be some awesome power there. And Clare...ah, sweet Clare. She chose a very hard path to tread but I'll forever admire her determination to try and take Priscilla's head.

And with Ophelia...I kinda sense that's what happened with Priscilla right before she took Teresa's head - the nearly instantaeous personality switch-over to the darkside. I really think that the first pleas for her brother were truly real. It's almost frightening how many differing choices could be made and were made by different people in very similar circumstances.

[IMSabbel]

dont you mean her mental strength? i guess being defeated like that she lost all sense of logic as well as her sanity (i mean to her dark side) ~ i cant wait to hear about her past...the "brother who was eaten in front of her" story seems all to classic so i hope theres a twist :3

now why didnt irene just killed her off while she had a chance? O.o

Well, did you listen closely? Her brother was killed by that "one horned monster", so she has something in common with clare. There is only one prominent one horned awakened around.

Orphelia shows the "bad end" route of somebody becoming a claymore out of revenge, kinda what clare would have been if she succumbed to anger.

[Jaden]

Wow, nice episode. Didn't think Clare would get cut up that much...but now she gets the power she needs to match the top warriors. And I think she will be able to regenerate that arm soon enough, raising her power even more. She looks too uncool with that stub of an arm to stay like that for very long.

[FlareKnight]

Impressive that Irene can so calmly deal with being afraid of death. That fear of dying after facing Priscilla was something you either deal with and move forward or retreat. I can understand it though, after facing something like that it'd be hard to be able to fight again. Such a complete defeat against an opponent of tremendous power.

Guess we know at least why no one came after her, since she faked her death and suppressing yoki for so long no one can detect her. Wonder if Irene will play a role in the story after teaching Clare the flash sword. If she'll be able to beat her fear of death and go out there again.

It'd be interesting if the one responsible was Priscilla. How so many lives went in different directions. Does seem odd how anyone would be happy during something obviously bad like getting guts eaten. Guess we'll find out more about Ophelia very soon.

[Guido]

Oh, oh, oh! Clare officially has become the blood, punching-bag character of the season, dramatically surpassing Blood+ Hagi from the number spot.

Clare's mentality is amazing. Living mentally and physically abused by a Yoma throughout most of her childhood, witnessing Teresa losing her head, and now losing her limbs (except that one she got reattached safely) to Ophelia that's quite a gory record, and the gore and butchering will just keep on and on with each episode.


So basically there are offensive and defensive hybrid classes. Clare is the offensive type who goes out for the attacks. Any damage done to their limbs if goes out of their control is irrepairable.

Now I can clearly understand Deneve's regeneration abilities, because she's in the defensive class.

So I must assume whether one wants to live on or kill for victory in her mentality will decide her class. But is this trait becomes active once a girl becomes a hybrid or is eventually shaped when the Claymore starts earning experience?


Oh! The genius of the flash sword blasts from the past.

Irene is just stunningly cool, but Teresa will always be ellegantly awesome. But man, watching Irene forcing Clare onto the bed was very laughable.

I really want to know why Irene simply decided to fake her death and live by her own?

But I also liked how she bitch-slapped Ophelia. That was funny too,:heh:.

Seriously, guys, did anyone of you felt that Irene has quite the younger Miss Maria vibes on her?:p


There is one particular line that I quite did not understand.

Clare told Irene she made her decision to become Hybrid because she wantted to forget about living as a human or was for keep on living to have her retribution against Priscilla?



Seriously, Ophelia nearly got my sympathy with her tears and crying, but I threw her to the drain the moment she forsake and cursed her brother for being weak and having let himself to be eaten by a familiar, one-horned monster.;)

Couldn't she had given him a chance? The world of Claymore is miserable. Average humans have 0% to end victorious against a Yoma and neither less against an Awakened.

They're just food. Borned to be butchered.

Is this a familiar trend, that prior to Awakening all the Claymores, at the verge of death or frustration, start whimpering and crying like little girls then going berserk, turning into giant and purple gorillas, with a bad teeth case, before Awakening?

I am making this observation because Priscilla had a similar experience, except that Ophelia's life was not endangered while Priscilla's was threatened by Teresa.

And why is it that Awakened feel like heaven right after Awakening?

Awakened ones= Annoying ones?:heh:

[Lendial]

amazingggggg. the preview causes excessive drooling.

[Deathkillz]

Well, did you listen closely? Her brother was killed by that "one horned monster", so she has something in common with clare. There is only one prominent one horned awakened around.

Orphelia shows the "bad end" route of somebody becoming a claymore out of revenge, kinda what clare would have been if she succumbed to anger.
okey thats a semi twist...and it shows why she hates the awakened soo much...

and clare would have if she had the powers to do so imo...Orphelia is just a cocky person because she knows that not many can challange up to her (which adds to the shock of being injured by irene) ~

[Guido]

Ophelia you cocky bitch. Why you chose to forget that onii-chan loved you so much?

Seriously, that shot of Ophelia when she released her youki at the very start of the episode was quite a shocking hint which foreshadowed her Awakened form.

Oh my God! When I saw her with that face I muttered that she might be the super-charged version of Orochimaru.:heh:

[saravis]

You know something came to mind when I was thinking back on this episode. Remember when Irene says that Clare is only a quarter Yoma because she had absorbed Teresa's power. Well that could be saying that Clare isn't as much of a freak as the other Claymores are. Raki could very well actually have a chance. Just throwing that out there for all you fellow fantasizers, hehe.

[cors8]

There is one particular line that I quite did not understand.

Clare told Irene she made her decision to become Hybrid because she wantted to forget about living as a human or was for keep on living to have her retribution against Priscilla?


Clare meant that she couldn't forget about Teresa and live as a normal human. Teresa was everything to her and Priscilla took it all away.

[TougeSil80]

Its impossible the org will not allow it males are more suseptible to awakening than females they laerned that lesson with isley and several male awakened. I would prefer he grew strong on his own and not become a monster

I think it's still possible though. If he used parts of Clare (I'm not sure how much they need to make a hybrid) since Clare is already just a quarter, that'll make Raki just an 1/8 th. So he should be able to suppress the urge to awaken easier.

[stormy001_M1A2]

The reason why Claire is still Claire is because of Raki. Her emotional state is her love in him and that what makes her emotionally stronger than Ophelia. As I said, emotional state of Claymore is crucial in maintaining them from succumbing to Yoma influence. That's why Raki is very important role to play here. I dunno why people hated him so much without realizing that without him around, Claire will pretty much end up like her good friend in ep 2, Elena. It is fair to say that her love for Raki replaced the revenge for Theresa as top reason to be for Claire hence she able to resist the temptation to be Awaken One. Make no mistake though, her desire of revenge can still undone her if she is not careful about it since Raki is not around anymore to restrain her emotional outburst.

Ophelia reason to be is destroyed when she is defeated by Irene/Ilena, so her path to become Awaken One is pretty much set. Her desire for overwhelming revenge has pushed her into a bad ending, as someone said.

The only thing now is, Claire need to match her swordmanship skills to backup her emotional strength and convictions. Now her hope to reunited with Raki is there and never underestimate hope. It is a very strong, noble feelings by itself.

It is also fair to say that Claire learn to have hope whereas Ophelia completely give up on hope. The end result is all to see here.

[dxanato]

So basically there are offensive and defensive hybrid classes. Clare is the offensive type who goes out for the attacks. Any damage done to their limbs if goes out of their control is irrepairable.

Now I can clearly understand Deneve's regeneration abilities, because she's in the defensive class.

So I must assume whether one wants to live on or kill for victory in her mentality will decide her class. But is this trait becomes active once a girl becomes a hybrid or is eventually shaped when the Claymore starts earning experience?


The moment their desire to either fight or live shape what they will be. A person who want to live to fight on will be a Defense Claymore. The person who care very little about themselves who goal is to fight and kill will be a Offensive Claymore. I don't want spoiled more for you but the choice does happen very much early in their initiation to been a Claymore.

[Procris]

Irene is so badass.

I feel really bad for Clare though losing her arm, was worried for a second she'd lose her hand as well, that would be bad. I think obviously Clare will somehow get her arm back but i've not read the manga.

[hollywoodlou]

gotta love it...Ophelia offcially went nuts and off the grid....now look at her. A certified crazy AB.

I kinda felt sympathy for Clare...she just got outclassed by # 4.

Flash Sword Irene coming back from the dead...I could've sworn she got her head cut off in ep 8, but after reviewing ep 8, all i saw was blood gushing out from the front so I am not sure that her head got cut off.

Now, we all know that every warrior thrown at Priscilla will be killed, Clare shoudl train harder now because of that useful info that FS Irene gave her. Use it wisely.

[Procris]

Sigh, cry. I made a whole post but spoiler tags won't work for me. :(


Does anyone else think its funny that Ophelia has become the thing shes hated most, an Awakened one and doesn't even realise it? there must be a slight irony there.. :heh:"


I'm also kind of surprise that when Clare was talking about Teresa, she didn't mention Raki, as hes another reason she must live on and fight. At least i think so.


Edit: Ok fixed, realised what i was doing wrong, should show up now, spoil free.

[hollywoodlou]

An episode with NO RAKI?????


My prayers have been answered.

[Azure King]

An episode with NO RAKI?????


My prayers have been answered.

My prayers will be answered if Raki dies in a future episode

[whitepearl]

When I saw she was behind Clare after the cliff drop; I was scared myself.

I actually was scared, too, in that scene.

[Kayin]

Why is people saying Raki will have Yoma powers someday? He's just a normal human kid whose family was killed by a Yoma - it doesn't mean he's a Yoma too. So far there's no indication that Yoma can spread themselves like a virus, so Raki will always be human unless he does something like Clare did with Teresa.

[grey_moon]

I think that the org should stop trying to kill off anyone affiliated to Terese's blood, that's the second single digit to awaken....

Pretty bad thought, but if Claymore's were PC components, the org should do a burn in test. Force the Claymore to awaken and if they don't come back get rid of them. I wonder do they know that some awakened can return to normal?

[Yorae_paladin1]

I think it's still possible though. If he used parts of Clare (I'm not sure how much they need to make a hybrid) since Clare is already just a quarter, that'll make Raki just an 1/8 th. So he should be able to suppress the urge to awaken easier.

True but i do not want him to become a hybrid i want him to find strength by his own ability not be having yoma inside of him.

[Joka]

The episode was pretty sick. I loved it.

Now what we need:

A bunch of Claymores are meeting for an Awakened hunt. They are to hunt 4 Awakened Beings at the same time in the near mountain range. When they are all preparing for the upcoming battle a hooded man walks by their camp. Each party stares the other down. Some Claymore hoots at the hooded man teasing him if he is shocked to see a camp full of fit, beautiful women. Suddenly the 4 Awakened Beings crash through the trees in the back of the camp immediately killing 10 Claymores. The hooded man chuckles, takes out a spoon, and lays each Awakened Being to fucking waste. The man is of course Raki :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

THAT WOULD BE SO FUCKING BAD ASS.

[saravis]

True but i do not want him to become a hybrid i want him to find strength by his own ability not be having yoma inside of him.

Yeah, but is that even possible. I could understand it against a Yoma, but the Yoma are becoming overshadowed by Psychotic High Level Claymores and Awakened Ones. As a human he wouldn't serve any combative use to Clare aside from keeping some pesky Yoma off her back. If he is going to actually protect her, he's going to need more than just a good blade, a skillful hand, and a willful heart. He's going to need power.

[Lendial]

this is just a guess but i think the reason she hates youmas/ABs is because her family/lil bro was slaughtered when she was young. much like priscila. when she was breaking down and talking about her bro it reminded me alot of priscila doing the same about her papa. now to become an AB after all that, ouch.

[Twisted Reality]

The episode was pretty sick. I loved it.

Now what we need:

A bunch of Claymores are meeting for an Awakened hunt. They are to hunt 4 Awakened Beings at the same time in the near mountain range. When they are all preparing for the upcoming battle a hooded man walks by their camp. Each party stares the other down. Some Claymore hoots at the hooded man teasing him if he is shocked to see a camp full of fit, beautiful women. Suddenly the 4 Awakened Beings crash through the trees in the back of the camp immediately killing 10 Claymores. The hooded man chuckles, takes out a spoon, and lays each Awakened Being to fucking waste. The man is of course Raki :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

THAT WOULD BE SO FUCKING BAD ASS.

I'd rather he pull a black swordsman on us, ala Guts...

http://www.mangawiki.net/images/4/4d/Gatts02.jpg
Really, I think Guts could give the Claymores a run for their money, despite the fact that he's a "mere human." He may end up heavily pummeled, coughing blood *and* pissing it, but he gives as good as he gets.

Now if Raki were to turn into Guts, that would be *funny.* Seeing as how I can picture Guts actually fighting Awakened Ones and beating them. (Then contemptuously pumping them full of bolts and mocking them for giving him the "A God am I" speech. Wow! You really are immortal! *torture*)

[Vulcannis]

What does everyone else think about the underwater shot in the preview? Looked like Claire with her right arm back. I can only think of 3 ways that could happen... She uses her awakening power to do some extra regen, if that could somehow overcome her offensive focus. She uses the arm of the one-eyed Claymore in the preview, ala the Deneve jokes earlier. Or she uses Irene's arm, but I can't see any reason for Irene to give it up, unless maybe Ophelia comes and defeats her.

For that matter, why would Ophelia be fighting with Claire again anyway? Now that she's an AB shouldn't she be filling her stomach with some villagers, not worrying about something from her earlier life? I guess Claire really made an impression on her. :p

[CodySilver]

What does everyone else think about the underwater shot in the preview? Looked like Claire with her right arm back. I can only think of 3 ways that could happen... She uses her awakening power to do some extra regen, if that could somehow overcome her offensive focus. She uses the arm of the one-eyed Claymore in the preview, ala the Deneve jokes earlier. Or she uses Irene's arm, but I can't see any reason for Irene to give it up, unless maybe Ophelia comes and defeats her.

For that matter, why would Ophelia be fighting with Claire again anyway? Now that she's an AB shouldn't she be filling her stomach with some villagers, not worrying about something from her earlier life? I guess Claire really made an impression on her. :p

Does the preview show Claire with two arms??? Oh shit! At least did not show how she got a brand new arm.... ******* preview, always spoiling around....

[zato_1one]

TWO ELFs in one episode?! Must give this a 10 then :heh:

It's time for adult to teach kid some manners! :D

And Irene didn't actually come out of nowhere, imo. It's not coincident. Irene could feel the presence of Teresa inside Clare. So it made sense for her to find out. Or else she wouldn't even bother with this because she didn't want anyone to know that she was still alive.

One thing which I really hate in this series is that...

OP and episode preview has too much spoiler. :mad:

[Panzerklein]

After be defeated by Pricilla, Irene really fear and don't want to fight for org any more ;)) . In the preview, new character with only one eye will arrive.

[Forever]

Hmm one horn monster. Could it be that Ophelia's brother was eaten by priscilla?

Man if clare gets both Irene arm and sword and start using 2 sword flash technique...

[Twisted Reality]

Hmm one horn monster. Could it be that Ophelia's brother was eaten by priscilla?

Man if clare gets both Irene arm and sword and start using 2 sword flash technique...
Except that Clare could barely handle one sword and isn't Irene (Ilena)....not to mention the cheesiness involved in dual-wielding that was already beaten to death by so many RPG's.

It's more like she's got a bit of Theresa's Jedi combat sense and a bit of Irene's berserking arm.

Problem is, she can only one of the two abilities switched on at a time, since one requires that she actively repress her Yoki and scan and the other requires her to control a berserk Yomi-fied arm that could force her into an Awakening. She's got one nice defensive mode and one finishing offensive mode.

I wonder if they'll ever make a big deal out of her being able to integrate this into her style by making her learn how to seamlessly switch from one to another? Find an opening with Theresa's sensing and then exploit it using Irene's berserker arm...

[hollywoodlou]

Hmm one horn monster. Could it be that Ophelia's brother was eaten by priscilla?

Man if clare gets both Irene arm and sword and start using 2 sword flash technique...

My intuition says, yes...Ophy was talking about Priscilla.

But now they're both Awakened's...they should have an Awakened slumber party in the future.

[FlareKnight]

Well I'm seriously hoping that the Irene giving up her arm or dying guess is off. With her return I'm liking her as a character and dying would be disapointing. Even if she doesn't want to fight anymore I can't see her rolling over if someone shows up to fight. Heck someone showing up might be enough for her to get back into things again.

Guess we'll find out how this arm gets to her pretty soon. Though I guess it wasn't unexpected she'd get another one. If she's going to keep surviving and eventually (with some help I'd imagine) stand up to Priscilla she'll need 2 arms for that.

[chrry370]

Yes i also will find it dissappointing if Irene dies in the next episode when she had just reappeared! And quite in a fashionable manner i say... I loved the part where Ophelia had no idea why she couldn't touch Irene...

Regardless i like Clare with two arms! I have to say it was very quick or sudden that Ophelia turned into an AB... she lost her cool i guess...

Any ideas when no 1-5 except ophelia shows up?

[hollywoodlou]

Well I'm seriously hoping that the Irene giving up her arm or dying guess is off. With her return I'm liking her as a character and dying would be disapointing. Even if she doesn't want to fight anymore I can't see her rolling over if someone shows up to fight. Heck someone showing up might be enough for her to get back into things again.

Guess we'll find out how this arm gets to her pretty soon. Though I guess it wasn't unexpected she'd get another one. If she's going to keep surviving and eventually (with some help I'd imagine) stand up to Priscilla she'll need 2 arms for that.

Well, it worked pretty easy for FS Irene with #4, no sweat. But then again, we are talking about an AB here, so next ep would definitely show more carnage.

[Twisted Reality]

Which begs the question:
Why wasn't Irene able to reattach her arm? Priscilla was even so nice as to give it back to her.

Clare was an offensive warrior and she still managed to reattach both her legs and a hand within the course of a day.

I also wonder why Clare's grabbing her arm before falling into a chasm would "give her away"? It seems like something a desperate person would do. I mean if Kennedy's wife tried to stuff his brains back in after it got blown out...

It also kinda always irks me that nobody bothers checking the wounded to make sure they're *really* dead. I distinctly remember a movie where the Romans went around checking for barbarian wounded and then giving a quick stab if they survived the battle. Yet Awakened Ones and Claymores never seem to bother paying their enemies the respect they're due by treating them as actual threats, wounded or otherwise. Check their damned pulse and kill them so that they don't get resurrected later.

[FlareKnight]

Well as been speculated could be a ton of reasons why she couldn't reattach her arm. Maybe busy trying to heal the massive wounds she took that would save her life. Clare was out for a week, maybe Irene did grab her arm and get somewhere to rest but by the time she woke up the arm was useless. Clare was in the position of having her only injury as her legs being chopped off and could focus on that.

Well it's not like Irene didn't know that Ophelia wasn't really dead. She just didn't bother finishing her off.

We'll see how things go next week at any rate. Just don't want Irene to be killed off that's just me. She didn't break a sweat beating Ophelia before, but an AB isn't easy to beat. If she's up against one I hope she can put up a fight. That's if she gets involved at all and Clare just goes out to fight.

[EphemeralDream]

Which begs the question:
Why wasn't Irene able to reattach her arm? Priscilla was even so nice as to give it back to her.

Yeah, she probably could've, but note that some time could've passed before she was able to recover enough to even think about reattaching limbs (which is a lengthy process in and of itself). It was probably too late for her to reattach her arm. Also, it's quite liikely that she wouldn't have reattached it even if she could as a reminder of what happened and a scar to show for it.

"I mean if Kennedy's wife tried to stuff his brains back in after it got blown out..."

This comment is unnecessary. :nono:

[FatPianoBoy]

Priscilla killed onii-chan? Clare and Ophelia should have been friends, yo...

Clare gets her arm back after it was clearly stated that those who join the organization with an agenda like hers are unable to regenerate lost limbs?
*Ka-thunk*
Did anyone else hear that? I think the writer just jumped on board...


I remember some mention that Clare also carried off her arm to be put inside her.

[ichigoismyhomie]

TWO ELFs in one episode?! Must give this a 10 then :heh:

One thing which I really hate in this series is that...

OP and episode preview has too much spoiler. :mad:

LOLOL.....ur sig IS a spoiler........:heh:

[Darkside]

The episode was pretty sick. I loved it.

Now what we need:

A bunch of Claymores are meeting for an Awakened hunt. They are to hunt 4 Awakened Beings at the same time in the near mountain range. When they are all preparing for the upcoming battle a hooded man walks by their camp. Each party stares the other down. Some Claymore hoots at the hooded man teasing him if he is shocked to see a camp full of fit, beautiful women. Suddenly the 4 Awakened Beings crash through the trees in the back of the camp immediately killing 10 Claymores. The hooded man chuckles, takes out a spoon, and lays each Awakened Being to fucking waste. The man is of course Raki :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

THAT WOULD BE SO FUCKING BAD ASS.


A two handed buster sword sized spoon?

I'm worried about who that person is with a massive scar over their left eye in the preview. That isn't Clare is it? :(

[zato_1one]

LOLOL.....ur sig IS a spoiler........:heh:
Then I guess all of those official sites which have character introduction or character image are also spoiler right? :heh:

[Twisted Reality]

Well as been speculated could be a ton of reasons why she couldn't reattach her arm. Maybe busy trying to heal the massive wounds she took that would save her life. Clare was out for a week, maybe Irene did grab her arm and get somewhere to rest but by the time she woke up the arm was useless. Clare was in the position of having her only injury as her legs being chopped off and could focus on that.

Well it's not like Irene didn't know that Ophelia wasn't really dead. She just didn't bother finishing her off.

We'll see how things go next week at any rate. Just don't want Irene to be killed off that's just me. She didn't break a sweat beating Ophelia before, but an AB isn't easy to beat. If she's up against one I hope she can put up a fight. That's if she gets involved at all and Clare just goes out to fight.

Eh...it sounds plausible and only occurred to me later. She probably wouldn't be able to rely on her healing as much if she really wanted to hide her aura. She'd probably allow her "natural" healing process to set in rather than rushing it in order to "play dead." A brief spike would probably set off everybody's Claydar.

I also think that Irene left Ophelia alive on purpose as a sort of trial that Clare must overcome. Irene doesn't really strike me as the real arrogant type, so I think that's probably it. Or perhaps she didn't want her cover to be blown by leaving a Claymore mysteriously dead? Not as likely given that she's already exercised her powers and left a witness to her Quicksword.

No, no, what annoys me is that too many villains and trademark psychopaths all follow the cliche where they're too arrogant to be bothered with ensuring a foe's demise. I'd like for them to break the mold for a change. I was really referring to Ophelia and also the Awakened One that "broke" her neck and the other Awakened One that kept going on and on about what an ideal warrior should be. (Ironic since he was a pretty piss-poor one himself. I suppose his idiocy is fitting since you kinda have to be an elitist cock to strut your "warriorhood.")

I still think Irene will show up later in the series. No, that's not a spoiler that I'm pulling out of the manga. I really have no idea if I'll be seeing her again, though I rate it as being fairly probable in light of what I already know of her and seen the effort the author has put into her thus far. I'll probably elaborate on this later.

[Last_Hope]

The Awakened hunt was supposed to be after an awakened one who was formerly a single digit claymore. In my head that would equal Irene. She doesn´t appear to be an awakened one but I don´t think the organisation cares about that since she did leave them. It wouldn´t be strange if they knew that she really was alive and was waiting for a chance to get to her. Or did they somehow predict Ophelia´s awakening?

It would be kickass if Irene would join to help Clare get her revenge against Priscilla. But considering she´s learning Clare her own special move... Godsspeed to you Irene. :)

[Poochi]

Can someone explain what makes Ophelia's Ripple sword so different? Is it just a faster-than-average attack? I'm guessing we won't be seeing much of it again as A.O. Ophelia will probably be using tentacle fingers and phalic tongues :heh:

[Twisted Reality]

Can someone explain what makes Ophelia's Ripple sword so different? Is it just a faster-than-average attack? I'm guessing we won't be seeing much of it again as A.O. Ophelia will probably be using tentacle fingers and phalic tongues :heh:
Watch the part where she explains her ability and talks about the various Claymore titles. You'll see her vibrating her arm rapidly, much like the way you swing a pencil back by using the tip as a fulcrum. It creates a deceptively wiggly looking pattern that's hard to follow with the eyes. (Seriously, try this with a light wooden pencil and you'll see what I mean.)

Clare can read her bulk movements, but not the subtle back and forth rippling she does with her sword, so she can anticipate the blow, she just can't see the blade well enough to block it. It probably looks like it's somewhere it really isn't.

It may also add cutting power, if she can maintain the rippling relative to her actual swing. Think of it as a vibrating sonic blade and you get the basic idea. There's some evidence for this since she just cut through Clare's shoulder plates like they were butter.

Course, none of this apparently matters to Irene since she can land a larger quantity of blows on Ophelia before she's even aware that Irene has moved. Irene also somehow blocked Ophelia's one good rippler. My theory is that she can make as many blocking attempts as she pleases by simply placing her blade in all the places that Ophelia's rippler might be arcing.

[FatPianoBoy]

Completely off the current topic of discussion:
I rechecked the episode 14 preview, and Clare did not have a right arm. She appears to be wearing Irene's old uniform, and the appendage on the right is actually an empty sleeve. Since there's no left sleeve, it makes the shirt appear sleeveless, leading to the conclusion that the thing poking out of her right shoulder is her arm.

Looks like we're good for consistency. Kinda glad to see that Clare really is vulnerable unlike your typical shounen protagonist.

[Twisted Reality]

Woops. Misread something.

[Ejinathan]

Heh, watched it 3 straight times now .


Wow, me too heh. There was also another episode i watched 10 times just because i was so unpatient to wait for nr 13 >< If there would be dvd's coming out i difinitely buy it !

Watch the part where she explains her ability and talks about the various Claymore titles. You'll see her vibrating her arm rapidly, much like the way you swing a pencil back by using the tip as a fulcrum. It creates a deceptively wiggly looking pattern that's hard to follow with the eyes. (Seriously, try this with a light wooden pencil and you'll see what I mean.).

I would see it more as buttonbashing. Because when yu force you're arm to go to turbospeed (like awakening for those claymore heh , well they put all the power in 1 hand too). you need to let trough you're full power of you're 1 arm. But it's not that good for you're arm... i once buttonbashed 129 times in 10 secs seriousely, i beat automatic makes me half human....

[Fenrir_valindri]

Not sure myself, but I assume because of Irene's own Flash-Sword Technique that she can see high speed attacks like Ophelia's Ripple sword as if it were a normal strike. Basically she was so superior in that particular aspect that Ophelia was screwed :D

Edit: I rechecked the preview as well, no arm there just a armless sleeve.

Edit Again: I also agree that "Fit for Battle" seems more appropriate, it also sounds better :D

[ArmisaelXVIII]

I think the organization didn't know about Irene, otherwise they wouldn't have sent Claire/Ophelia near her. And it doesn't seem forced to me that they met there. After all it seems the organization send claire and ophelia to the borders of the continent and even in the borders of their "authority". No wonder why Irene was near there hiding herself. Btw I find unlikely that Irene just decided not to reattach her arm as a "remind", she simply couldn't reattach it. Ophelia says in the previous episode that after some time it would be impossible for clare to reattach their legs. And Irene also fight Teresa receiving damage enough to immobilize her for some time.

In the first part of the preview there is a armless sleeve. But late when claire is being pushed underwater she definitely has her right arm.

I almost forgot to say, I'm glad that Irene literaly owned Ophelia. Since current top claymores looked more powerful and have some extra abilities, in other words they seem "evolved" claymores. (well, helen and deneve are not atually one-digit-claymores and are half-awakened but still those abilities they have are quite something).

Thinking about it... is there any possibility that claire will be using Irene's right arm? or automail? :heh:

[NoSanninWa]

Completely off the current topic of discussion:
I rechecked the episode 14 preview, and Clare did not have a right arm. She appears to be wearing Irene's old uniform, and the appendage on the right is actually an empty sleeve. Since there's no left sleeve, it makes the shirt appear sleeveless, leading to the conclusion that the thing poking out of her right shoulder is her arm.

Looks like we're good for consistency. Kinda glad to see that Clare really is vulnerable unlike your typical shounen protagonist.

I've got to admire your determination. It's really not easy to make out details in that image.

[TougeSil80]

It wouldn't surprise me if Irene dies in the battle with Ophelia and Clare gets Irene's arm that way.

[Shiroth]

It wouldn't surprise me if Irene dies in the battle with Ophelia and Clare gets Irene's arm that way.
Seeing the preview had me thinking "there's a 50/50 chance Irene might die', though i didn't think about the arm. There's a chance a guess.

[IMSabbel]

Seeing the preview had me thinking "there's a 50/50 chance Irene might die', though i didn't think about the arm. There's a chance a guess.

Well, in that case it would be luck that irene lost her left arm. Getting a second left one would be kinda awkward (although it could allow for some strange "backwards" fighting moves :D)

[KiNA]

Completely off the current topic of discussion:
I rechecked the episode 14 preview, and Clare did not have a right arm. She appears to be wearing Irene's old uniform, and the appendage on the right is actually an empty sleeve. Since there's no left sleeve, it makes the shirt appear sleeveless, leading to the conclusion that the thing poking out of her right shoulder is her arm.

Looks like we're good for consistency. Kinda glad to see that Clare really is vulnerable unlike your typical shounen protagonist.

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Thats not the right hand?

:p

[CodySilver]

Completely off the current topic of discussion:
I rechecked the episode 14 preview, and Clare did not have a right arm. She appears to be wearing Irene's old uniform, and the appendage on the right is actually an empty sleeve. Since there's no left sleeve, it makes the shirt appear sleeveless, leading to the conclusion that the thing poking out of her right shoulder is her arm.
if you watch to the preview, the very last scene shows Claire grabbing something with a right hand. Right hand means right arm, imo...

[HinaThePrince]

This episode ruled. Best episode of the series, IMO. I forgot how much I love Ilene. Art was good, voice acting was freaking spectacular. Ophelia's speech in the end was different from the manga, for the better. I wonder if it's really a change or just a translation error, though. Anyway, 9 from me.

[grey_moon]

If the last scene is actually Clare, the scene before that when you see Clare's back is pretty dark but it looks like her arm is missing... I think its too hard to say from the last 2 scenes of the preview (good preview in that sense as I really want to see it not just coz of the kick arse story but to see if she gets her arm back).

Actually I can't see why Clare can't regen her arm by going into awaken mode.

Since Clare has Terese's head grafted to her, if the surgeons did a good job it could give the term "giving head" a whole new meaning :p and Raki might not be all that put off

[D a m i e n]

Irene said she choosed not to fight anymore so, i ll bet my arm that irene will either
a) die and give her right arm to Claire as a memento (after all Claire like to collect various limb from random people she knows)
b) say some crap like i dont need that arm anymore yadda yadda this is my gift as your sensei yadda yadda (typical shounen thing sensei give student a new toy to play with)
c) nab the arm from ophelia's body as a vengeance.

from a typical shounen point of view it should be either option A or B, since it s not well seen by the public to have the main character vultiring bodypart from dead oponent to replace severed limbs...

[TinyRedLeaf]

Well now. If only the quality could be kept consistently at this level. A rare, and well-deserved 9 from me for finally nailing both the emotions and the action superbly. (Except for that silly choice of BGM when Clare was waking up on Irene's bed, but that's very minor and easily forgivable).

So, I'm not that harsh a critic am I? Credit where credit is due. ;)

[CodySilver]

I not sure clare would be able to regenerate her arm going awaken... deneve could do that in half awaken mode, but we have to remember that she must be a defensive type to do that easily....
And it is not that simple to awake-regenerate-go back. None of them have fully awaken and came back, so, I dont thing that would be possible.

[Ejinathan]

Offensive types can't regenerate new parts normally like Ophelia said.
They can only glue themself.


Btw i got the feeling Irene wants to help Clare just by honor and wants to be fogiven by Teresa somehow. Means also that Irene got pwned by emotion

[TinyRedLeaf]

a question about limits of regeneration. if teresa had flashed away after losing her arms could she have regenerated them? when is a claymore "really" dead, when it loses her head? miria makes it sound like you can regenerate anything if you have enough yoki.


Originally posted on the TV Series thread. Well now, I guess Episodes 12 and 13 answers all those questions now, don't they? ;)

It would seem that offensive-type warriors get no more than standard-issue regenerative powers, in other words, re-attachment of limbs at best. And it has to be done fast, within say 10 minutes or so I reckon, or Ophelia wouldn't have taunted Clare so cruelly in the previous episode when Clare tried desperately to re-attach her legs.

That's probably also why Irene is unable to re-attach her left arm -- like someone else wrote, she was probably KO'ed by Priscilla's coup de grace. By the time she revived, the arm had probably gone into rigor mortis. In other words, it's a dead arm that could no longer be re-attached.


Deneve see's Claire missing an arm
Devene-Damn it not again.
Gives Claire an arm.
Miria-Again?
Deneve-I have to do this about twice a week for Helen.


Ahahahahah. Good one. Haven't thought of that before. Deneve, and other defensive-types ought to be bred for spare parts. Heck, the Organisation already treats them no better than machines anyway. :p

[Kouvley]

"Spare Parts Deneve"?:heh:

Hmm....doesn't quite sound as good as "Phantom Miria" or "Flash Sword Irene". :p

[Rhyel]

This scene gives to Clare a nickname:

"Clare Suffering" :heh:

Great episode, give a 9.

Please, Irene and Clare... More conversation about Teresa. ;)

[Sinestra]

Talk about surprises Im sure the manga readers were not but i was shocked as hell to see the warrior from the past was Irene. I honestly thought she was dead along with the orignal hunters of Teresa. I was also shocked to hear that she chose to stop fighting because she was affraid of death but it does make sense. She was lucky to survive the battle with Pricillia while only loosing one arm. Clare has been through some shit latley and when i watched her arm getting obliterated my jaw dropped. However there is a light at the end of the tunnel not only did she bitch Ophiela but she is teaching her the Flash Sword.

I am very shocked that the orginzation let a Claymore as unstable as Ophelia run loose. It took no time for her to awaken and she already showed signs of going off the deep end. The orginzation are a bunch of fools they are making more enemies than allies. If they continue on this route they will have more uber powered Awakens then Claymores.

At this point im not sure how anyone can stop Pricillia even Irene said that she is far beyond any Claymore or the other Awakend's. Plus with Clare now missing an arm things are going to be much harder for her. Before she can even think about taking on the big dog she still has to deal with Opheila who is now more powerful than she was the first time around.


I saw Clare and Irene fight Opheila Irene goes down fighting but as a parting gift she gives Clare her arm (i dont even remember which side they are both missing) I see the debate over regeneration but was there ever anything said about attaching a arm from another person?

[Xellos-_^]

Irene appearing out of the blue to save the day was such an annoying case of Deus ex Machina that it totally ruined this episode for me.

So just how should Clare have gotten out of her little there?

I love to hear any idea you might have?

All i can think of was.

1. Clare discovering some hidden power within herself and beats Ophelia with one arm and no hand.

2. Someone rescues Clare

3. Ophelia decide it wasn't that much fun and decides not to kill Clare

I personally consider 1 and 3 even more cheese then 2 but if you have a better idea i love to hear it.

Or maybe you prefer that when Clare fell down into the river instead of getting caught by ophelia, Clare discovers a hidden cave that was use to live by Ancient one arm swordsman. Clare finds the kungfu scrolls left by this anceitn master and becomes the New One Arm Swordwoman.

[cors8]

Irene was also the only one, out of Teresa's hunting party, whose death wasn't explicitly shown. Noel and Sophia had their heads pierced so it was impossible to be one of those 2.

There haven't been any other characters from the past that have been shown. It would've been much worse if some new character was just thrown in for the heck of it with 0 background.

With Irene now present, the dots from the past to the present can be reconnected.

[Anh_Minh]

Xellos: 4. Clare dies. Ophelia is the new main character of Claymore.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Hmmm. Admiration for artwork aside, it is a duex ex machina situation here. The mangaka didn't necessarily have to create such a hopeless scenario for Clare, did he? But having done so, he didn't have any choice but to introduce a "miraculous" save, otherwise, main character dies = no more story!

Irene happened to survive. And she happened to be around the area. Lots of improbabilities compounded upon improbabilities.

But hey, there aren't that many stories around without such impossibilites. Besides, it was good drama, wasn't it? How many viewers felt their hearts drop when Clare seemed doomed for early retirement? From that point of view, Irene's sudden re-appearance doesn't seem that bad after all. ;)

[grey_moon]

At this point im not sure how anyone can stop Pricillia even Irene said that she is far beyond any Claymore or the other Awakend's. Plus with Clare now missing an arm things are going to be much harder for her. Before she can even think about taking on the big dog she still has to deal with Opheila who is now more powerful than she was the first time around.


I think this is the main point about Clare.... The org basically tries to win by beating power with a more powerful individual, or with more of them. What Clare is doing is to beat the more powerful foe by making sure she can read them and out manuver them, over powering them is not an option. All she was missing was the offensive and if she can flash sword at the same time as using her spider sense, I think she would fair much better then any of the other Claymores would.

Maybe Clare's title should be "Crash Test Dummy", but got to hand it to her mental strength, she defiantly had the worst hand dealt to her and she is still positive and moving forward.

[TinyRedLeaf]

I am very shocked that the orginzation let a Claymore as unstable as Ophelia run loose. It took no time for her to awaken and she already showed signs of going off the deep end. The orginzation are a bunch of fools they are making more enemies than allies. If they continue on this route they will have more uber powered Awakens then Claymores.


What's more likely is that the Organisation is holding on to some trump card that beats any Claymore that ever lived, Awakened or not.

Whatever might that be, I wonder? ;)


(i dont even remember which side they are both missing)

Clare has lost her swordarm (right). Irene lost her left arm.

[cors8]

I don't think the organization cares long as they get the desired results and the Claymore doesn't awaken.

[Xellos-_^]

Plus with Clare now missing an arm things are going to be much harder for her. Before she can even think about taking on the big dog she still has to deal with Opheila who is now more powerful than she was the first time around.



Don't underestimate the power of a One Arm Swordsman or in this case a Swordswoman :D


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[Lendial]

shes goten a flash sword power up though(we saw what that did to ophe). and some resolve.

[zato_1one]

Irene said she choosed not to fight anymore so, i ll bet my arm that irene will either
a) die and give her right arm to Claire as a memento (after all Claire like to collect various limb from random people she knows)
b) say some crap like i dont need that arm anymore yadda yadda this is my gift as your sensei yadda yadda (typical shounen thing sensei give student a new toy to play with)
c) nab the arm from ophelia's body as a vengeance.

from a typical shounen point of view it should be either option A or B, since it s not well seen by the public to have the main character vultiring bodypart from dead oponent to replace severed limbs...
Giving an arm to other people isn't a typical shounen to me. The typical shounen should be Train! Train! Train! Get Strong! Kick Ass! Yo! And the hero always achieves to higher level in a short time. Because he/she will think I want to help..., I want to be strong because..., I want to win... or they killed my... And then BOOM!!! Super Saiya 10!!! :eyespin:

This part is one of my most favorite in the series. The best part is that Clare cannot keep her cool anymore! IMO. Just look at her pale and despairing face makes me realize that Clare could really die this time.

In episode 10, Clare said to Helen she had already known the true despair right? This episode, Ophelia taught her the true despair again. I wonder who taught her better. Priscilla or Ophelia?

And Irene is also one of the coolest character in this series!

Hmmm. Admiration for artwork aside, it is a duex ex machina situation here. The mangaka didn't necessarily have to create such a hopeless scenario for Clare, did he? But having done so, he didn't have any choice but to introduce a "miraculous" save, otherwise, main character dies = no more story!

Irene happened to survive. And she happened to be around the area. Lots of improbabilities compounded upon improbabilities.

Because the miracle always happens in real life or even in human history. It's just that it's may not happen to everyone. :D

[Fenrir_valindri]

Curse you people and your persistance. :p
Those end of the episode spoilers really give away to much.

and yes Standard Shonen would be train for 1 week and get infinatly more powerful!!!11
Fighting with one arm would be damn hard, it wrecks your balance for swordfighting.

[Twisted Reality]

Wow, me too heh. There was also another episode i watched 10 times just because i was so unpatient to wait for nr 13 >< If there would be dvd's coming out i difinitely buy it !



I would see it more as buttonbashing. Because when yu force you're arm to go to turbospeed (like awakening for those claymore heh , well they put all the power in 1 hand too). you need to let trough you're full power of you're 1 arm. But it's not that good for you're arm... i once buttonbashed 129 times in 10 secs seriousely, i beat automatic makes me half human....
What? Do you mean button-mashing? Try to type a little better, I'm having some trouble reading you.

I don't really see where you think this is anything like button-mashing since button-mashing just involves the tip of your finger. Ophelia involves her entire arm in back-and-forth motions to create a rippling pattern.

Also, you're a noob if you button-mash and end up hurting your arm. (Yes, that's an ego-booster for me.) When you button-mash, you need to strike the right balance of posture and use just enough effort to get the job done. A poor posture will cause the wrong muscles to ache and using too much effort exhausts you all the quicker. The key is *leverage.*

[Twisted Reality]

Curse you people and your persistance. :p
Those end of the episode spoilers really give away to much.

and yes Standard Shonen would be train for 1 week and get infinatly more powerful!!!11
Fighting with one arm would be damn hard, it wrecks your balance for swordfighting.
Standard shounen also involves "personal fighting style" of different characters and uses them as characterization. Everybody has got their unique Kung-Fu move with strengths and weaknesses. Naruto and Bleach both did this. More often then not, the technique's strength was determined by how well a student could adapt to the technique's.

Or apply this to Claymore, Flash Sword is uniquely suited to Irene because she is characterized by self-control. Clare's ability to adapt to her special technique depends on Clare's own "spiritual strength."

[Xellos-_^]

Curse you people and your persistance. :p
Those end of the episode spoilers really give away to much.

and yes Standard Shonen would be train for 1 week and get infinatly more powerful!!!11
Fighting with one arm would be damn hard, it wrecks your balance for swordfighting.

In the standard HK martial arts novels. The One Arm Swordsman is always stronger then when he had 2 arms.

So by losing her Arm and meeting a mysterious hermit, Clare will now boost her abilities 10x

[FatPianoBoy]

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Thats not the right hand?

:p

....... #@$%.
Like grey moon said: if that's Clare. It most likely is, but maybe not.
If it is, though, what I said before still stands. Main Character Armor for the lose :(

[Twisted Reality]

....... #@$%.
Like grey moon said: if that's Clare. It most likely is, but maybe not.
If it is, though, what I said before still stands. Main Character Armor for the lose :(
Main Character Armor?

Do you mean "plot immunity?"

[FlareKnight]

Here's hoping Clare can get a hold of a spare arm without us having to let Irene die. Doesn't seem like the one-eyed Claymore underwater since that eye scar doesn't seem to be there. But have to wonder what this claymore has to do with things since just being the episode randomly seems unlikely.

Maybe I'm stretching it but some luck in that claymore running into Ophelia getting beaten badly and giving the arm to Clare so she can go and defeat her? Could just be me stretching things out since we just got Irene back and I was hoping she'd get more time in the series rather than dying.

[Matrim]

It's kind of silly to defend a deus ex machina with the argument that the other options would have been even worse. While it's true that Clare discovering some mega-hyper-super power in the midst of the fight and using it to save her skin would have been beyond stupid, it's not as if Irene just happening to be there for no particular reason is much better. Moral of the story - if you can't come up with a smart way of getting the character out of seemingly impossible situation - don't put him/her in such a situation in the first place.

Maybe I am spoiled from not ever watching Bleach, Naruto and the likes so I get extra annoyed by the usual shonen cliches.:p

[FatPianoBoy]

it's not as if Irene just happening to be there for no particular reason is much better.

She didn't "just happen to be there," she said she felt a familiar presence and came to investigate. Her shack is probably nearby. She probably wouldn't have even gotten involved if Ophelia hadn't attacked her.
I can live with coincidences as long as they're used sparingly.

[Xellos-_^]

It's kind of silly to defend a deus ex machina with the argument that the other options would have been even worse. While it's true that Clare discovering some mega-hyper-super power in the midst of the fight and using it to save her skin would have been beyond stupid, it's not as if Irene just happening to be there for no particular reason is much better. Moral of the story - if you can't come up with a smart way of getting the character out of seemingly impossible situation - don't put him/her in such a situation in the first place.

Maybe I am spoiled from not ever watching Bleach, Naruto and the likes so I get extra annoyed by the usual shonen cliches.:p

Like I said, if you have a better idea, I would love to hear it.

[Squawks]

It's kind of silly to defend a deus ex machina with the argument that the other options would have been even worse. While it's true that Clare discovering some mega-hyper-super power in the midst of the fight and using it to save her skin would have been beyond stupid, it's not as if Irene just happening to be there for no particular reason is much better. Moral of the story - if you can't come up with a smart way of getting the character out of seemingly impossible situation - don't put him/her in such a situation in the first place.

Maybe I am spoiled from not ever watching Bleach, Naruto and the likes so I get extra annoyed by the usual shonen cliches.:pIrene said that she felt a familiar presence. I bet that was Teresa, so she went out to check if it really was her? That's how she met Clare and Ophelia.

[Anh_Minh]

I think his complaint is "Of all the places in the whole wide world Irene could have chosen to hide in, how come she picked a spot where she could be close enough to sense Theresa within Clare when Clare and Ophelia had their fight?"

[FatPianoBoy]

I think his complaint is "Of all the places in the whole wide world Irene could have chosen to hide in, how come she picked a spot where she could be close enough to sense Theresa within Clare when Clare and Ophelia had their fight?"

Coincidence.
It happens in real life, too ;)

Like I said: as long as it isn't overused (Great Expectations, anyone?), I can live with it.

[redmeat]

Next Clare's gonna lose one of her eyes and her left arm and then meet a blacksmith who will give her a cannon/crossbow combo for the left arm and a berserker armor from a witch she will meet in the woods! Clare can take on any badass now!

[Fenrir_valindri]

My point exactly, this is a Shonen after all, you cant avoid all the Cliches associated with being one, thats the point after all. Look at Bleach for example, there are so many characters there that got saved all the time.

[Xellos-_^]

Next Clare's gonna lose one of her eyes and her left arm and then meet a blacksmith who will give her a cannon/crossbow combo for the left arm and a berserker armor from a witch she will meet in the woods! Clare can take on any badass now!


She will lose both eyes and learn how take her yoma sensing power to the next levels. She will expand her other remaining sense and become the Fear Blind One Arm Swordswoman.

[PGilis]

So just how should Clare have gotten out of her little there?

I love to hear any idea you might have?

All i can think of was.

1. Clare discovering some hidden power within herself and beats Ophelia with one arm and no hand.

2. Someone rescues Clare

3. Ophelia decide it wasn't that much fun and decides not to kill Clare

I personally consider 1 and 3 even more cheese then 2 but if you have a better idea i love to hear it.

Or maybe you prefer that when Clare fell down into the river instead of getting caught by ophelia, Clare discovers a hidden cave that was use to live by Ancient one arm swordsman. Clare finds the kungfu scrolls left by this anceitn master and becomes the New One Arm Swordwoman.


I just though six other ways to Clare defeat Ophelia without the help of Irene! :D

1) Clare prays to the goddess Athen... i mean Teresa to lend her power, so she invokes all her hidden power. Her armor turns golden and then she hits Ophelia with a devasting Secret Technic what just one-digit Claymores with golden armor can use... killing her instantly and making us wonder why the heck she didn't used that in the first place. :P

2) All hurted and dying, Clare invokes all her hidden power (again). Her hair suddenly turned (more) golden and grown up, because she turned into a Super-Claymore-Level III. And then she destroys Ophelia with her new found power... again making us wonder why the heck she didn't used that in the first place. :heh:

3) She releases her second dark-personality who controls an even more devasting power... again making us - oh forget it! You know what! :frustrated:

4) Ophelia kills her, but Clare reborn as the reincarnation of an incrediblely powerful devil from the past... and destroy Ophelia.

5) Clare yells "Look! There's someone behind you!!" Ophelia looks behind, and suddenly Clare decapitates her, yelling "Hah! Tricked you!!" :eyespin:

6) Clare bribes Ophelia, saying if she let her live, she will give Raki as her new sex toy.

[Anh_Minh]

She will lose both eyes and learn how take her yoma sensing power to the next levels. She will expand her other remaining sense and become the Fear Blind One Arm Swordswoman.
She'll start hitting the bottle and become the Blind One Arm Drunken Master.

[cors8]

I just though six other ways to Clare defeat Ophelia without the help of Irene! :D

1) Clare prays to the goddess Athen... i mean Teresa to lend her power, so she invokes all her hidden power. Her armor turns golden and then she hits Ophelia with a devasting Secret Technic what just one-digit Claymores with golden armor can use... killing her instantly and making us wonder why the heck she didn't used that in the first place. :P

2) All hurted and dying, Clare invokes all her hidden power (again). Her hair suddenly turned (more) golden and grown up, because she turned into a Super-Claymore-Level III. And then she destroys Ophelia with her new found power... again making us wonder why the heck she didn't used that in the first place. :heh:

3) She releases her second dark-personality who controls an even more devasting power... again making us - oh forget it! You know what! :frustrated:

4) Ophelia kills her, but Clare reborn as the reincarnation of an incrediblely powerful devil from the past... and destroy Ophelia.

5) Clare yells "Look! There's someone behind you!!" Ophelia looks behind, and suddenly Clare decapitates her, yelling "Hah! Tricked you!!" :eyespin:

6) Clare bribes Ophelia, saying if she let her live, she will give Raki as her new sex toy.

I'm getting bad DBZ flashbacks..............

[Squawks]

5) Clare yells "Look! There's someone behind you!!" Ophelia looks behind, and suddenly Clare decapitates her, yelling "Hah! Tricked you!!" :eyespin:That would work though, you'll see in the next ep why.

[chibamonster]

I really like in this episode how they show Irene walking towards the battle in her cloak getup. They didn't do it in the manga (if I remember correctly) so when Irene showed up it was like, what? someone is here?

Irene certainly didn't go out to fight and save Clare. She just wanted to know what Teressa's youki signature was doing out in the woods after all these years. After years of isolation and beating herself up for losing all of the top claymores in one afternoon I can imagine she walked double time to see what was going on. There's a lot more coming though which I won't spoil (anime is best served fresh!) but the story really pulls together tightly through this "coincidence". I imagine she was standing in the bushes for a while trying to figure out who was who and jumped out before Clare got killed to pose the question (but that's just my imagination).

I love Ophelia trying to attack Irene only to get owned. Irene's attacks are my favorite. I love how she just stands there calm and collected while things around her start getting sliced apart. I doubt there are many who could block it besides Teresa. It makes Ophelia's attack look so lame because you can still see her "rippley snake sword". I also like in training where Clare is practicing using the flash sword and Irene just stands there like she's chewing on a piece of hay.

[Seska]

i have a other Nickname for Clare....

Clare "Sharingan" (Naruto,Kakashi's eye...) or in simple way "copycat"

She has the skill, but not the body for the Speed (some Rock Lee&Sasuke insider)

[Matrim]

I think his complaint is "Of all the places in the whole wide world Irene could have chosen to hide in, how come she picked a spot where she could be close enough to sense Theresa within Clare when Clare and Ophelia had their fight?"

Yes, that's my complaint, I am sorry for not maknig this fully clear in my previous posts.

[Azure King]

i wonder if Irene give up her arm so claire can have 2 arms ...

[ArmisaelXVIII]

Well, as I said before this Ophelia arc was somewath forced to me since it started. Still, it makes some sense...

They purposely sent clare and ophelia to die in a forgotten place beyond the normal control of organization. Probably there was not a request for that AB head. It's normal for a ex-claymore to look refuge in a site like that.


Btw, I like claymore is not about who is more powerfull. Clare has some advantages agains an awakened.

- Regarding "Spider Sense Claire", at that point she has more advantage agains an awakened Ophelia than againts a claymore Ophelia. His readings would be more accurate.

- Claymores spent quite time learning swordsmanship, but when they turn into awakened, their body changes turning into a weapon itself, and probably they won't use more a sword. Ok, they become stronger, but it's only in brute strength, agility, resistance, regeneration. But thei have to fight controlling a new body/"weapon"/habilities they are not used to. (it's the same as the concept of bakai in bleach, when they reach bankai they get more powerful. But they still need to learn to use and controll it at fullest capacity).

- If Ophelia left alone her sword. She would also lose her "rippling" sword. A skill clare can't read, in exchange for other attacks that she can read better, even if are more difficult to evade or block.

- Clare gains (probably) Irenes "Flash Sword". From the look of it. It seems perfect to her as complement to her youki reading ability. It's what Miria said, she has to change from reading to offense instantly and vice versa, what would be better than the ability to deal multiple attacks in a instant. Also, since she only lets his arm "realease youki" she may even be able to read and use the flash sword ophelia at the same time.


Clare is not in a complete disadvantage. And who is that claymore o.x? Maybe noel? x.x I hope Irene doesn't get herself involved in the fight >.<

[PGilis]

Just a thought i got.

Maybe the sick twisted personality of Ophelia CAN make some sense after all.

If i understood well, when a child her entire family was killed by an Awaked One, most likely Priscilla, right? The only family left to her was her brother, and he died trying to fight that A.O., giving her the time to run away.

To a little girl who passed for such traumatic thing, would not be surprise if she started to hate EVERYTHING, herself included for being so weak. And the Organization coming and kidnapping her, turning into a Claymore with that painful operation didn't help at all.

She became a powerful Claymore, and then she discovered that thing who slaughtered her family was an Awaked One, that is, some Claymore who lost control of his/her Youma side and became a monster. Would not be surprise if she starts again to hate all the A.O.s, all the Claymores and the Organization... specially all the A.O.s.

Now she have the power to fight back and will use in every dawn thing she can. Most likely, she hates humans too, because they remember her just how weak she was before. Probably in her mind the thinks "I'm not weak, i'm strong. So i will do everything pleases me and no one can stop me!"

When she lost to Irene, she was remembered how much she was weak in her past. So she lost her self-control because she didn't want to be weak anymore.

Just my 0.02 cents.

[Mentar]

It's kind of silly to defend a deus ex machina with the argument that the other options would have been even worse. While it's true that Clare discovering some mega-hyper-super power in the midst of the fight and using it to save her skin would have been beyond stupid, it's not as if Irene just happening to be there for no particular reason is much better. Moral of the story - if you can't come up with a smart way of getting the character out of seemingly impossible situation - don't put him/her in such a situation in the first place.

It's exceptionally silly to complain about deus-ex-machina situations in the first place, because this is very much par for the course in drama animes. Other activities deserving of the dork hat include:

o Wondering why the hero's hit points are always damage dealt to him +1

o Wondering why the lethal bullets always seem to miss the hero

o Wondering why a hero jumping over a deadly chasm somehow always seem to be able to claw his way back up on the other side

o Wondering why the hell the hero always seems to get into trouble and somehow miraculously escape from it anyway

Moral of the story: No matter what you do and write, there are always smart aleck viewers who have to b*tch and moan anyway.

[Gavrielo]

Hey we want a little bit of realism to keep us excited :P.

I think Irene coming back was pretty good though, I liked the idea of her randomly showing up to save Clare.

[Panzerklein]

i wonder if Irene give up her arm so claire can have 2 arms ...

If Irene give her arm to Clare, Clare will have 2 arms and Irene have no arm longer. But no problem, in real life, many ones who don't have 2 hands even 2 arms, they still work, eat, writh with their legs :heh:.

[Azure King]

If Irene give her arm to Clare, Clare will have 2 arms and Irene have no arm longer. But no problem, in real life, many ones who don't have 2 hands even 2 arms, they still work, eat, writh with their legs :heh:.

it won't be too much of a problem because Irene is a claymore, only need to eat like onces every 3-4 days or so :heh:

[Grey]

And it's not as if Irena completely stumbled across Clare and Ophelia. With Ophelia and Clare releasing youki, there's a much larger range for them coincidentally being in the same area.

A pity we don't have more specific information on the distance that Claymores can youki-sense. Galatea's mega-sense could discern emotional state from the other side of a mountain range, and could probably sense simply that there's a Claymore at point x from an even greater distance.

So, for all we know, Irena could have a sensing distance of a couple miles. Teresa sensed Irena and her crew--when they weren't releasing youki--and they had just entered the city. Clare sensed that Miria and some unnamed Claymores were close enough to save a random villager from a yoma, and that could also have been a mile away.

There's room for a little suspension of disbelief. Also: maybe the Claymore story takes place on a relatively small island. And if the East is a Claymore hub (bad place to hide), that further limits potential hiding places. Moreover, Ophelia and Clare fought over a fairly large area (Clare was running around a fair bit, and Claymores have super-speed). So that further increases chances of a "coincidence".

[FlareKnight]

Well I don't think Irene is suddenly going to give up her arm. Maybe the most Clare could hope for is a trade for her left arm for Irene's right. I'm sure Irene is skilled enough to not take a serious hit of moving from one arm or the other. Though not having one for years might make things tough on her.

Hopefully this one eyed claymore can show up and be the one to give Clare another arm. Or Irene could've helped herself out by cutting off Ophelia's left arm thus getting herself back to relative normalcy.

Somehow I doubt we'll get another return from the dead (our one eyed claymore ending up being Noel) next week. Should be interesting to find out who this person is and what role they'll have to play in things.

[cors8]

Well I don't think Irene is suddenly going to give up her arm. Maybe the most Clare could hope for is a trade for her left arm for Irene's right. I'm sure Irene is skilled enough to not take a serious hit of moving from one arm or the other. Though not having one for years might make things tough on her.

Hopefully this one eyed claymore can show up and be the one to give Clare another arm. Or Irene could've helped herself out by cutting off Ophelia's left arm thus getting herself back to relative normalcy.

Somehow I doubt we'll get another return from the dead (our one eyed claymore ending up being Noel) next week. Should be interesting to find out who this person is and what role they'll have to play in things.

It's impossible for it to be Noel. Unless Claymores can survive being pierced through the eye all the way to back of the head, then it can't possibly be her.

[Lendial]

for the moment claymores who have been beheaded or severly impaled through the head as dead, not even they could regenerate that. looking back ep8 irene indeed keeps her head she just gets slashed badly unlike noel and sophia.

[Panzerklein]

Well I don't think Irene is suddenly going to give up her arm. Maybe the most Clare could hope for is a trade for her left arm for Irene's right. I'm sure Irene is skilled enough to not take a serious hit of moving from one arm or the other. Though not having one for years might make things tough on her.

Hopefully this one eyed claymore can show up and be the one to give Clare another arm. Or Irene could've helped herself out by cutting off Ophelia's left arm thus getting herself back to relative normalcy.

Somehow I doubt we'll get another return from the dead (our one eyed claymore ending up being Noel) next week. Should be interesting to find out who this person is and what role they'll have to play in things.

May be, may be not, but an one give an arm for stranger is near impossible :twitch:.

[Sordes Pilosus]

Pirotess remove the spoiler please or place it in a tag. Its quite revealing in terms of the speculations going on in the thread. And the person aint been introduced at all yet.

[grey_moon]

Is it actually possible for a claymore to stick someone else's limb on? I mean biological aside, it would get rather messy as all the vets could go "ooo that noob has a sexy set of legs and I'm bored of mine...."

[Justice Knight]

Is it actually possible for a claymore to stick someone else's limb on? I mean biological aside, it would get rather messy as all the vets could go "ooo that noob has a sexy set of legs and I'm bored of mine...."

we cant answer that T_T.....

[Verist]

Many peers! Yea! Its downloading soooooooo fast!

[Lendial]

gime me galateas face theresa's legs and irene's ears.

[chibamonster]

Nice post on Ophelia's mental state PGilis!

Claymore is really a sad story for the warriors. Ophelia and Priscilla end up becoming like the monsters they hate. If you don't want to awaken your next choice is to send a friend a letter and have them kill you or get someone else to do it. The organization wants you dead if you almost awaken and return. Humans usually don't accept you. And the organization turns little girls into these warriors against their will for the most part. No wonder they get claymores with complexes! It makes it that much better when they end up stable like Miria or Teresa.

I'm really excited to see the next episode.

[zato_1one]

Moral of the story - if you can't come up with a smart way of getting the character out of seemingly impossible situation - don't put him/her in such a situation in the first place.
It is a "Plot Device".

The true intention of this part isn't to show Ophelia's sadistic or the re-appearance of hot elf, IMO. It's to show that Clare is still too weak. She needs more power up. In previous arc, Clare showed her kick ass ability but was it enough? At this point, NO.

Ophelia taught Clare that reading Yoki ability was useless if your skill was too much inferior to your opponent. Other than this ability, it didn't seem that Clare had any particularly skill or any hidden dragon power either. Then what did Clare suppose to do? Using her brain, yes. Try to trick Ophelia and find the escape route! Unfortunately, Ophelia didn't dumb. Clare had already tried her hardest but still not enough. This indicates that if Clare meets a really really stronger opponent, she is a dead meat. At this point, only has a strong will and brain are not enough anymore. Clare needs to get stronger or else she couldn't survive in this world.

How can Clare become stronger then? Irene is the answer. She completely owned Ophelia. It's to show that her flash sword is very deadly technic and can be very useful to Clare. If Clare can use flash sword, it can guarantee to a certain point that Clare won't be owned like this again. It can be implied that in the future she can stand on her own feet without helping from other mysterious warriors anymore.

By the way, I'm starting to feel boring for the comment like shounen cliche, shounen crap, shounen like this, shounen like that. What's so bad to be a shounen anyway?

[hollywoodlou]

By the way, I'm starting to feel boring for the comment like shounen cliche, shounen crap, shounen like this, shounen like that. What's so bad to be a shounen anyway?

Absolutely nothing. Just some people have to much time on their hands and over analyze stuff.

Cant wait til next ep, if Clare really did her homework on the Flash Sword technique.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Actually Ilena/Irene happened to sense some presence she haven't sense for long time and walk torwards it. Which happened to be Claire's yoma component which once belonged to Theresa. And Claire and Ophelia final duel is in forest near to hermit paradise of Ilena/Irene.

It is not deus ex machina plot. Makes sense to me.

In real life it happens before so it can't be dismissed as complete cop out. Napoleon nearly snatched victory in Waterloo in 1815 but Blucher's last minute arrival doomed his effort, saved Wellington. In 1973 Yom Kippur War, Valley of Tears, Israeli 7th Armoured Brigade defeated 2 Syrian Armoured Division despite being deprived of air support, compromised radio communication, diminishing ammunition, tired tank crews and inferior night fighting capability. In end they patched up 20 damaged tank and charged Syrian flank which turn the tide and won the fight. In the beginning, the Israeli have 100 tanks, the Syrians have at least 1200-1500 armoured fighting vehicles.

That happenings are somehow can be considered deus ex machina. Moral is, it did happen in real life and not just some trickery on writer's part or absolute cop out.

[hollywoodlou]

You know what I want?

Ophelia finds Raki and eats the little bastard. He's still in the forest, you know? ;)

[D a m i e n]

Giving an arm to other people isn't a typical shounen to me. The typical shounen should be Train! Train! Train! Get Strong! Kick Ass! Yo! And the hero always achieves to higher level in a short time. Because he/she will think I want to help..., I want to be strong because..., I want to win... or they killed my... And then BOOM!!! Super Saiya 10!!! :eyespin:


kakashi and obito??
let s talk in a more metaphorical way. how often do you see a dying character or a sensei give his student a new toy to play with in order to kick ass. it s pretty common the arm as crude as it may look would fill that role perfectely.

let s face it, i m beting that claire will in a way or another inherit irene's arm. there is no reason for irene to be keep her arm since she has choose to withdraw and not fight anymore so i m guessing the author will discard her once she ll have fullfil her role : teach claire a new move.
The possibilities are slim if irene is willingly giving her arm she ends up not being able to do anything anymore, so i think both claire and irene will fight against ophelia they ll defeat her using some combine move of some sort and finaly irene will die from injury saying some thing like take my arm it has my power/memorie/whatever you want it to have, and follow your quest to hunt down the little b*tch.
claire received body parts from theresa making her able to read the flow of energie to dodge attack and to avoid being injured (not) so that new arm would perfectely fit in order to master irene's sword technic.

[zato_1one]

Sorry, I don't watch Naruto. :heh:

The problem isn't "sensei give his student a new toy to play with" but "what is sensei give his student a new toy to play with" And by doing that, does it has a good reason to do that or does it makes sense or not? IMO.

About your betting, I don't want to be banned so I can only say that just wait and see then. :eyespin:

[grey_moon]

No reason to keep her arm? How about eating or wiping her ar**? The thing is if she did give up her arm, is she offensive or defensive? With a skill like the flash sword I would say she is offensive, so she would not be able to regen it... Also she didn't regen her left arm...

[Sinestra]

Don't underestimate the power of a One Arm Swordsman or in this case a Swordswoman :D


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Definetly not underestimating. As a matter a fact i think Clare losing an arm adds a bit more to the story right now. Stacking the deck aganist her will make it all the more sweet when someones head goes rolling from the flash sword techniqiue. Clare missing an arm could give her enemies a false sense of security and they could underestimate her. One of things i like about Clare is that she actually uses her brain in a fight instead of charging in head first without so much as a hint of a plan (cough naruto cough).

Many people want Raki to die i dont think hes that bad and im sure he is going to play a pivtol role to Clare. So before we start wishing Opheila eats the little bastard i mean young man we should give him a chance after he did stand up to Opheila the first time without back down i would have shit my self:rolleyes:

[D a m i e n]

Sorry, I don't watch Naruto. :heh:

The problem isn't "sensei give his student a new toy to play with" but "what is sensei give his student a new toy to play with" And by doing that, does it has a good reason to do that or does it makes sense or not? IMO.

About your betting, I don't want to be banned so I can only say that just wait and see then. :eyespin:

i dont watch naruto either nor do i read it anymore i used to follow this show with my cousin when the animation was still actually worth something.
when i m saying new toy to play with i m just making fun of the stereotypical shounen stuff with main character get a new sword/gun/technique or what ever
if you dont want to get banned then i m guessing i m quite close to the manga after too many years of watching anime or reading manga you can somehow predict what is to happen with a rather fairly low failure rate (and a rather high chance rate of getting banned :heh:)

[Yorae_paladin1]

Yeah, but is that even possible. I could understand it against a Yoma, but the Yoma are becoming overshadowed by Psychotic High Level Claymores and Awakened Ones. As a human he wouldn't serve any combative use to Clare aside from keeping some pesky Yoma off her back. If he is going to actually protect her, he's going to need more than just a good blade, a skillful hand, and a willful heart. He's going to need power.

Yes power that is not his own I would preffer his strenght to be his own would much more respectable instead of becoming another monster.

And we both males can't exactly control when releasing youki Raki won't be any different so its best he does not become a claymore

[PastPrime]

kakashi and obito??
let s talk in a more metaphorical way. how often do you see a dying character or a sensei give his student a new toy to play with in order to kick ass. it s pretty common the arm as crude as it may look would fill that role perfectely.

let s face it, i m beting that claire will in a way or another inherit irene's arm. there is no reason for irene to be keep her arm since she has choose to withdraw and not fight anymore so i m guessing the author will discard her once she ll have fullfil her role : teach claire a new move.
The possibilities are slim if irene is willingly giving her arm she ends up not being able to do anything anymore, so i think both claire and irene will fight against ophelia they ll defeat her using some combine move of some sort and finaly irene will die from injury saying some thing like take my arm it has my power/memorie/whatever you want it to have, and follow your quest to hunt down the little b*tch.
claire received body parts from theresa making her able to read the flow of energie to dodge attack and to avoid being injured (not) so that new arm would perfectely fit in order to master irene's sword technic.

The old saying is that "To the victor belongs the spoils." When they defeat Ophelia why not just take her arms. Then both of them will be complete.

[Panzerklein]

The old saying is that "To the victor belongs the spoils." When they defeat Ophelia why not just take her arms. Then both of them will be complete.

In the preview for ep14, Ophelia will become Awakening one, and they can use parts of Awakening one :).

[Defiled one]

It would be more fun if Clare turned to the evil side. Muaaah! :heh:

[grey_moon]

How about if Raki decides to turn to the darkside and somehow becomes a Claymore and then awakens and Clare is forces to kill him... Or even worse, Priscilla grabs him, makes him her toyboy and somehow turns him into an awakened!!!

[Defiled one]

What happened to Raki anyways? Did he got eaten?

...........

NO!!! ;_; My manly Raki!!

Personally I think he got eaten...

[zato_1one]

when i m saying new toy to play with i m just making fun of the stereotypical shounen stuff with main character get a new sword/gun/technique or what ever
For my sense, I call it a character development instead of shounen cliche. ;)

How can it be a bad thing if the character is cooler? But it will be a different impression if you hate that character, imo. :cool:

[Twisted Reality]

I don't think Raki would likely ever become enhanced by Yoma-roids in the story. I mean, that'd just be too cheesy and much too predictable.

I think there's a good possibility that a lot of us have overlooked: Raki might always be a minor character and may always take a backseat to any of the characters.

Though I don't think I'll have any complaints if Raki turns out to be something other than Clare's plot motivation in meatbag form.

[D a m i e n]

i d love if raki would be like pickle from Bobobobo Bobobobobobo

[Lendial]

meatbag is such a crude word why not emotional support wife or homemaker.
it seems like its going to be a while till we see raki again so all the raki haters can rejoicefor now.

[zato_1one]

I wonder next episode will has new OP/ED or not?

[Matrim]

It's exceptionally silly to complain about deus-ex-machina situations in the first place, because this is very much par for the course in drama animes. Other activities deserving of the dork hat include:

o Wondering why the hero's hit points are always damage dealt to him +1

o Wondering why the lethal bullets always seem to miss the hero

o Wondering why a hero jumping over a deadly chasm somehow always seem to be able to claw his way back up on the other side

o Wondering why the hell the hero always seems to get into trouble and somehow miraculously escape from it anyway

Moral of the story: No matter what you do and write, there are always smart aleck viewers who have to b*tch and moan anyway.

Well, I think it's even more silly to always take the bait and bitch about people who bitch about a series you like.:heh: And deus-ex-machinma is common in...drama animes? Really? As opposed to say shounen? OK...:D

The true intention of this part isn't to show Ophelia's sadistic or the re-appearance of hot elf, IMO. It's to show that Clare is still too weak. She needs more power up. In previous arc, Clare showed her kick ass ability but was it enough? At this point, NO.

That's true enough but it had little to do with the the deus-ex-machina. In other words, Clare had to be saved by someone who had no reason whatsoever to be in the vicinity at that time because...?

[Twisted Reality]

You know, I just booted up episode 13 again. And the music? Bagpipes!

Bagpipes always makes your generic fantasy setting more rustic. Yes my friends, this foggy metaphysical realm within our heads could have happened long ago...in a legendary age that time forgot! (CONAN THE BARBARIAN!) How stunningly relevant it is to us in its myth-making power!

Sorry, just couldn't help but comment on the bagpipes...hee...hee...hee

[Defiled one]

I thought they were just short on money and used a bag filled air thingy to make sounds and rip some sounds efects from star wars. And voilá you have sound effects.

[zato_1one]

That's true enough but it had little to do with the the deus-ex-machina. In other words, Clare had to be saved by someone who had no reason whatsoever to be in the vicinity at that time because...?
I didn't write it to explain any deus..., whatever it is. I thought many people had already explained it enough and it also pointless to argue with it anymore. Because it's not that you can change people mind by just typing, right? Everyone has their point of view and I respect it if I don't feel it's too unreasonable.

I wrote it because you said "don't put him/her in such a situation in the first place." I just explain why the author put Clare into that situation. Of course, that is just my point of view anyway.

EDIT:

The true reason behind it may doesn't different with many other shows which main protagonist is always hit on by cute girl. And all the important events are always happen around him/her.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

That scene didn't seemed too forced to me. It looked more forced everything that happened and to much unnatural (probably the organization is desesperate to get rid of Clare/Ophelia as is scheming something) in the previous episode than the re-introduction of Irene.

The most likely posibility is that Irene gave an arm to clare before letting her go. Another one would be clare regenerating that arm, I don't think it as something imposible even as an offensive type, may be a lot more difficult... and she probably don't have much time. (I don't want to see an armless Irene ._. )

Why..? Why do we have to wait another week? :(

[cors8]

Well, I think it's even more silly to always take the bait and bitch about people who bitch about a series you like.:heh: And deus-ex-machinma is common in...drama animes? Really? As opposed to say shounen? OK...:D



That's true enough but it had little to do with the the deus-ex-machina. In other words, Clare had to be saved by someone who had no reason whatsoever to be in the vicinity at that time because...?

You can't attribute everything to deus-ex machina terms. Drama anime and shounen/action anime are 2 totally different scenarios.

Also, do you know how big the world of Claymore is? We already know that there are 47 regions for Claymores. Then you have to consider where the Org. is based. Then you have to add in locations for Awakened Ones. Then you have to consider the possible hiding spots.

As long as the author explains why Irene chose that area, then it's fine. You also seem to forget that Clare and Ophelia traveled some distance from the town and that Claymores are able to sense each other from a large distance if they're radiating energy.

Sometimes, dumb luck just happens.

[Defiled one]

Why..? Why do we have to wait another week? :(





:cool: Why? To see Ophelia hot naked body?

No one wants to see Ophelia naked body.

[killer3000ad]

:cool: Why? To see Ophelia hot naked body?

No one wants to see Ophelia naked body.

I don't wanna see that either but for me each episode aired is another step closer to the arc I am really waiting for. See avatar!

[Fenrir_valindri]

:cool: Why? To see Ophelia hot naked body?

No one wants to see Ophelia naked body.

What are you talking about? I definatly want to see Ophelia's hot naked body :p

[Seska]

You know, I just booted up episode 13 again. And the music? Bagpipes!

Bagpipes always makes your generic fantasy setting more rustic. Yes my friends, this foggy metaphysical realm within our heads could have happened long ago...in a legendary age that time forgot! (CONAN THE BARBARIAN!) How stunningly relevant it is to us in its myth-making power!

Sorry, just couldn't help but comment on the bagpipes...hee...hee...hee

.... Ah! My Goddess OP....

and please, can you let the Ecchi stuff, outside. Thanks.... :)

No more to say :)

[killer3000ad]

What are you talking about? I definatly want to see Ophelia's hot naked body :p

But but, she's like Awakened and all. She'd sooner try to eat your guts than chit chat.

[Matrim]

I wrote it because you said "don't put him/her in such a situation in the first place." I just explain why the author put Clare into that situation. Of course, that is just my point of view anyway.


OK, then. Nothing wrong with putting characters in impossibly tough situation - I actually love such scenarios. But you had quoted me and I thought you referred to my complaints about the deus ex machina.

As long as the author explains why Irene chose that area, then it's fine.

Yes, of course. The point is we don't know whether he will bother explaining it at all.

[cors8]

OK, then. Nothing wrong with putting characters in impossibly tough situation - I actually love such scenarios. But you had quoted me and I thought you referred to my complaints about the deus ex machina.



Yes, of course. The point is we don't know whether he will bother explaining it at all.

Then isn't it early for you to complain before the arc is over then?