Lucky Star - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[Crisu]

I am anticipating this supposed new OP sequence.

[Psychotic_Virtue]

I Dunno About You But Im Starting To See A Pattern Here. We Getting A Good Episode Followed By An Average Mediocre Episode. Therefore By Rule This Episode Will Be "Meh" So To Speak...

P.V.

[Claies]

Whatever the new OP sequence is, if there is one, the reaction will be extreme - either it sucks because the first one is so surprising and impressive, or it'll shock us by outdoing even the former.

[Crisu]

Each episode airs Sunday at 00:30 in Japan, right? It's Saturday 23:30 Central Daylight Time right now, which means the episode is already done and aired, right?

Might have to start searching for this new OP right away. It's bound to be spreading on the web already.

[WanderingKnight]

Each episode airs Sunday at 00:30 in Japan, right? It's Saturday 23:30 Central Daylight Time right now, which means the episode is already done and aired, right?

Oi, where are you getting your numbers from? There's a 10-hour difference between Central American time and Japan. The episode airs at 0:30 of Sunday, which means 10:30 AM tomorrow ;)

[Crisu]

http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_JP.aspx

So then you're saying it's a misnomer. While you could say Lucky Star airs "Sunday night," it is technically already Monday by the 00:30 airtime.

I understand there's a ten-hour difference if you travel west from USA to Japan, but you also cross the international date line going west.

As of my post, it is 14:14 Sunday afternoon in Japan.

[Claies]

Nico Nico Douga doesn't have it yet, as of this post. Given my luck, it will be there right after I post this and go to bed.

By the way, the ep13 preview has some really freaky Kagami. Personally, I don't have such high hopes of the new OP, but that's just me.

Sorry...I got a bit pessimistic tonight for no good reason.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Nico Nico Douga doesn't have it yet, as of this post. Given my luck, it will be there right after I post this and go to bed.

By the way, the ep13 preview has some really freaky Kagami. Personally, I don't have such high hopes of the new OP, but that's just me.

Sorry...I got a bit pessimistic tonight for no good reason.

It'll probably be the same type of dance song only of course with a different tune and lyrics, but same overall sound. As such it will likely be well received if not simply for a connection to Haruhi. Regardless of anything it's existence makes it a chart topper. I of course have to assume it will be sung by Aya Hirano and The Stars again.

The question I'm curious to have answered is would people prefer a repeat of Sailor Fuku or for them to try something different post Haruhi or if anything is fine as long as it's done by Aya Hirano.

[Vexx]

I will say, even in the other forums, people are getting tired of the "Haruhi"-ites who don't just like/dislike Lucky*Star for what it is. They're only there because of the assumed connections to "other entities".

Reminds me of people who show up to concerts and they have no idea who the group is... they just know its an "in" thing to be at. That's the feeling I get sometimes reading some posts.

A new OP would be interesting but I kind of like the one they're using... I suppose the new one will make more use of the incoming characters. In the end, I still have the manga to read :)

[Risaa]

The question I'm curious to have answered is would people prefer a repeat of Sailor Fuku or for them to try something different post Haruhi or if anything is fine as long as it's done by Aya Hirano.
No, no no, I really don't care if Aya Hirano never sings another song in her life. :heh: It's OK if she does, but it's most certainly OK if she doesn't... Not necessarily for her career, but I'm not talking about that anyways. :heh:

I would actually prefer to keep Motteke Sailor Fuku because it's already a really great intro, and it's not as if L*S is going to be a loong series anyways. A new intro would be nice, but I feel that it's unnecessary, is all.

[AlphaDragoon]

Wait...new intro? GTFO with that, I like the original.

[Konata-chan]

Lucky Star airs for me at 8:30 AM PST, and this week I'll be sadly waiting for an opportunity to get my Motteke! Sailor Fuku CD to get signed. I'm hoping that I'll get some sort of Internet connection outside the convention center so that I can login to Nico Nico Douga.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I would actually prefer to keep Motteke Sailor Fuku because it's already a really great intro, and it's not as if L*S is going to be a loong series anyways. A new intro would be nice, but I feel that it's unnecessary, is all.

In all honesty, me too. However, pressures to launch a new Single may have gotten the best of Motteke Sailor Fuku. It's alright in my books really and certainly unique for a song sung by an Idol and her co-workers. There seems to be an unspoken rule in the industry these days though that you must introduce a new opening and get a new song out every 13 or so episodes. Only a few 26+ episode series dare to break this rule anymore, but I honestly can't think of any.

[bayoab]

So then you're saying it's a misnomer. While you could say Lucky Star airs "Sunday night," it is technically already Monday by the 00:30 airtime.
It's not a misnomer. Japanese television is from 400-2800 therefore eliminating any ambiguity of what day stuf airs. It airs at 2430 Sunday.

[vaizard_ruler]

im giving it a 7/10 already since i know Lucky Star is good though i didnt know that theres going to be a new op(or is it a rumor)

[chc]

im giving it a 7/10 already since i know Lucky Star is good though i didnt know that theres going to be a new op(or is it a rumor)
Eh...
How can you rate an episode you haven't seen yet. An unaired episode, to boot! :confused:

[WanderingKnight]

Gah! The video should be up already on NicoNico but I can't login because there are too many people logged in! (and I don't have a subscriber account :(). I have to wait till 2 AM Japan time (an hour from now).

I want to see the new OP...

[moyism]

I should have it and ready in about... er... 30ish minutes, I hope?

EDIT: find it in the usual places... BTW, no new OP but an AWESOME ED ;)

[Claies]

Gah! The video should be up already on NicoNico but I can't login because there are too many people logged in! (and I don't have a subscriber account :(). I have to wait till 2 AM Japan time (an hour from now).

I want to see the new OP...

I thought the site flat out denies access from non-Japanese IP addresses in a certain timeframe.

[WanderingKnight]

Well, whatever the cause may be, I'm an idiot for falling to the mass hysteria provoked by Minoru's last words in Ep 12... Man, I hate myself now :heh:

[Nemo_N]

AWESOME, AWESOME ENDING THEME!!!!!1111

AWESOME, AWESOME EPISODE!

-Miyuki's Family
-Rabu-Rabu Tsundere Kagamin
-Konata's "Marriage"
-Keroro Preview

God, I'll comment more when I get a hold of myself...

[Shiroth]

Anyone want a ED sang by Shiraishi Minoru?

& haha Yu-gi-oh reference.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4165/01td6.jpg

[Deathkillz]

AWESOME, AWESOME ENDING THEME!!!!!1111

AWESOME, AWESOME EPISODE!

-Miyuki's Family
-Rabu-Rabu Tsundere Kagamin
-Konata's "Marriage"
-Keroro Preview

God, I'll comment more when I get a hold of myself...
hmmm...
1) miyuki's family is going to be interesting to see...i can feel the "perfection" pressure even without watching it yet :heh:

2) no comment O.o

3) hmm marriage...i bet there is a huge twist in there involving kona's father...is he trying to reenact one of his fantasies again? :p

4) no comment (as i havent seen that series ;_; )

edit: hahahaha! that screen cap is gold XD "ORE NO TURN!!"

[AlphaDragoon]

Anyone want a ED sang by Shiraishi Minoru?

& haha Yu-gi-oh reference.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4165/01td6.jpg

BWAHAHA. Konata, Queen of Games. :heh:

[Mirrinus]

Anyone want a ED sang by Shiraishi Minoru?

& haha Yu-gi-oh reference.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4165/01td6.jpg

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Excuse me while I catch my breath...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Sounds like fun.

[GHDpro]

TT & DA are down and all of a sudden quite a few people seem to have trouble digging up the raw :)

Anyway... back on topic. Just watched it. It had some slow moments in it (to be expected as at certain times I was quite lost at what the conversation was about), but it sure had it's brilliant moments.

Something you might not catch when you just look at screenshots (like from Random Curiosity (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/07/01/lucky-star-13/)) is that this ep features cameos from the Keroro Gunso cast, which gets quite hilarious in the next ep preview, something like: "Next time on Keroro Gunso ~ de arimasu! -- No you got it wrong: next time on Lucky Star..." (etc)

As for the DVD bargain bin... it's hard to recognize them all, but I'm pretty sure at least one/some of the DVDs are Scrapped Princess. As RC confirmed, the one Konata sets out to buy is a The Third DVD...

[AlphaDragoon]

OMG, Code Geass spoof too? :heh:

EDIT: Shiraishi won the character poll and not Konata?! RIG.

[Mirrinus]

I am currently ecstatically giddy over the idea of episode 13's ED song. Cannot wait to see and hear it.

Hey, Shiraishi rocks, and as far as I'm concerned, he's an acceptable choice for best character. :D

[Crisu]

The Random Curiosity anime blog has screencaps and a review of ep 13.

A chance to watch the special ED is also available.

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/07/01/lucky-star-13/

[Mirrinus]

OK, just saw the video of episode 13's ED...

WOW. Whoever came up with that must have been on crack...and yet I can't stop laughing...:heh:

[WanderingKnight]

Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK!?

WHAT WAS THAT ED ABOUT!?!

I want my stomach back. I can't feel it anymore after watching that.

(PS: What the fuck was that dog?)

[Deathkillz]

that end really didnt click with me...i hope im not the only one O.O

[pomps]

I don't like this episode, the first half is good, but another 5 minutes of anime store with screaming guys is not funny anymore, even with Keroro voices.
And the ED... well it was painful.

[Nemo_N]

Weird. I found the ED to be hilarious. Wa-wa-wasuremono-

Also, I just loved how Miyuki's relatives are all moe-blobs with glasses:

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3476/takarafamily1ed5.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takarafamily1ed5.jpg) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2057/takarafamily2wx1.th.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=takarafamily2wx1.jpg)

[Kaoru Chujo]

Oh, I do wish my Japanese was better. I loved ep 13, even though I understood less of it than usual. But even without understanding all the jokes, I simply enjoyed being with the characters. I liked the ED, as long as it was just this once: weird is good. Konata's "marriage" was a reeeal mind-bender. The Valentines' Day part was touching and funny. And Kagamin was great throughout. But Konata's (Aaya's) "uguu" at 6:13 was my verbal highlight. Love those wings.

I love how they do ring eyes and blip eyes from time to time. Tsukasa goes blip more than anyone else. At one point Konata was waving her arms, and the pacing of the way the lines radiated away from them was just great. This show is KyoAni excellence at the low end of the dense detail scale. Kudos to them. But I found myself almost going over to Kaioshin's anti-product-placement side at the sheer volume of KyoAni plugs in the store. But it was mitigated by the fact she put the SHnY DVD back, and then at the end by Akira putting the pic of Konata upside down.

It took me a while to get used to the Shiraishi ED, but it ended up being hilarious. That's from waaaay out there. It probably imitates a specific PV I don't know. It does remind me a bit of the waterside live-action OP for PuniPuni Poemi. It was directed by the new director, Takemoto Yasuhiro, while the old ED was directed by the first director, Yamamoto Yutaka. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see us go back to the old one next week, or to see something totally different. Maybe we can get live-action EDs from all the VAs?Note: After six months with Hirano Aya, my new avatar/sig is Koshimizu Ami. I've done a long blog post (http://hashihime.blogspot.com/2007/06/koshimizu-ami-big-girl-and-rising-star.html) about her for the occasion.

[krln99]

This ep was too catered for the hardcore 2ch fanbase, IMHO. The ending was just too strange for me. I think the next ep we'll get back to basics. It seems like the next ep will introduce Yutaka, as it is called "under the same roof," and in this ep Konata mentions she'll live with them.

[Nemo_N]

But Konata's (Aaya's) "uguu" at 6:13 was my verbal highlight. Love those wings.

No argument there:

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9041/konauguune1.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konauguune1.jpg)

About the ED, not sure if everyone knows it is a parody of a parody. To be specific, the part in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 10, where Taniguchi finds Kyon and Yuki in the floor; Taniguchi enters the room "singing" Wa-wa-wasuremono (translated by a.f.k. as "I for-for-forgot my..."). This part later spawned lots of fanmade anime videos and songs including this "lyrics".

In other words, the staff of Kyoto Animation do really browse otaku sites :heh:.

[Daniel E.]

Ughh, I dont care what they were trying to do with that ending, it was still the most painful 1:29 secs. of my life. >_< !!

Auto -1 for this episode already. :(

Though, I really cant' wait to see the part about Miyuki's family. :)

[QBnoYouko]

Anyone want a ED sang by Shiraishi Minoru?

& haha Yu-gi-oh reference.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4165/01td6.jpgI never expected this to show up so when I saw it randomly pop up in a conversation I was laughing my ass off. And all the other references were so funny too.

Oh yes, and Shiraishi was the other person, ahahaha.

[moyism]

Seems like the episode is getting mixed reviews. Personally, I laughed my arse off for the majority of it. Loved the Shiraishi ED though I never want to see another like it again; it was good as a one time joke but yea...

BTW, though I think QBnoYouko may have mentioned it, did anyone else notice the guy-on-guy confession involved Shiraishi's character? That was just pure WIN in my books!

[AVPlaya]

Here's the very special ED:

Shiraishi wrote the whole thing?
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[Matt Soulblade]

Epic ending or EPIC-EST ending?

[CrowKenobi]

This episode is so full of win that I gave it a 10 without waiting for the sub! :heh: Between Yugi-Oh refs and "Uguu" and Kagami-sama and the weird end and frogs doing the next episode preview... two thumbs up!! :D
About the ED, not sure if everyone knows it is a parody of a parody. To be specific, the part in The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 10, where Taniguchi finds Kyon and Yuki in the floor; Taniguchi enters the room "singing" Wa-wa-wasuremono (translated by a.f.k. as "I for-for-forgot my..."). This part later spawned lots of fanmade anime videos and songs including this "lyrics".

In other words, the staff of Kyoto Animation do really browse otaku sites :heh:.How much do you wanna bet that the two extra people are Tomakazu Sugita and Minori Chihara? :p

:cool:

[Kaoru Chujo]

1. niconico douga: I don't think there's any kind of ban/delay on non-Japanese viewers. I only had problems when my registration was at too high a number. They eventually broadened the range to include me. I think it's best to just sign up and wait for your number to come within the range for viewing. ttp://www.nicovideo.jp/ There are lots of interesting videos on that site. Check the little box under the picture to turn off the scrolling comments.

2. broadcast time: The way Japanese sites express broadcast times is deeply confusing. Newspaper and online TV listings are normally put in what might be called "28-hour time." If a show is on at 1 am late Sunday night, it is said to be on at 25:00 Sunday rather than 1:00 Monday.

Lucky Star is first broadcast at midnight Sunday night on Chiba TV. This is normally put as 24:00 Sunday. However, on the Lucky Star site, it is listed as "Sunday late night 0:00-0:30." Some other sites use this notation, others use the 24+ hour notation (which I prefer).

In any case, the official site (http://www.lucky-ch.com/) lists 16 different channels around the country, each with a different broadcast day/time. TV Saitama shows it at 24:30 Sunday, RKK Kumamoto at 26:20 Sunday, KBS Kyoto at 25:30 Monday, etc.Credits say music, lyrics, singing and "construction" (which I think means basically writing the scenario) by Shiraishi Minoru. Directed by Takemoto Yasuhiro, the new director of the whole show.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I sometimes wondered how many people here actually laugh at the jokes in Lucky Star. I know that I miss most of the punchline and I don't even get the Yugi Oh reference. As for the ending, it shows just how Japanese this anime is. Most of non Japanese viewers will never understand the ending at all. Ever. All I knew is, this song was also sang by one of Kyon's friend in Haruhi when he stumbled Kyon in compromising situation with Yuki.


As someone point out, this is really anime of 2 ch. From Tommy Lee Jones to jokes of karate master, this anime really covered everything under the rising sun meme. The modern version. Well, it is fascinating sociological study on pop culture, one thing for sure.

[AVPlaya]

I sometimes wondered how many people here actually laugh at the jokes in Lucky Star.

I do, especially at non-otaku references. Yeah but I know more about J-culture than most otakus, that's why it's LOL for me. Old JPOP and sentai TV show reference like KyonKyon-isms really killed me. It works for me but I really don't know how many people like myself live in the West.

This show really is aiming at a very limited audience, and from the ED of this episode, I think that audience is KyoAni themselves. This show is just the guys and gals having fun at expense of the otakus, since they'll eat it up anyway. The show made fun of everything KyoAni made and the culture of otakus, and within they splice it with obsure or anti-otaku J-culture references an ordinary otaku will miss. For example, even kj1980 missed the Batsu Gamu reference in EP 12. I think it's just a HUGE inside joke broadcasted on TV, and it's going to make bank for them. Man, it must be a blast working for KyoAni.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I do, especially at non-otaku references. Yeah but I know more about J-culture than most otakus, that's why it's LOL for me. Old JPOP and sentai TV show reference like KyonKyon-isms really killed me. It works for me but I really don't know how many people like myself live in the West.

This show really is aiming at a very limited audience, and from the ED of this episode, I think that audience is KyoAni themselves. This show is just the guys and gals having fun at expense of the otakus, since they'll eat it up anyway. The show made fun of everything KyoAni made and the culture of otakus, and within they splice it with obsure or anti-otaku J-culture references an ordinary otaku will miss. For example, even kj1980 missed the Batsu Gamu reference in EP 12. I think it's just a HUGE inside joke broadcasted on TV, and it's going to make bank for them. Man, it must be a blast working for KyoAni.

Hence my underlying complaint about Lucky Star. It feels like Kyoto Animation making this anime for their own amusement and laugh at the uncomprehending audience especially non Japanese ones. Talk about self smugness.

Another poster in the forum also said the same thing, the jokes in Lucky Star is really niche jokes, and even he, a long time anime fan and Japanese fluent did not get some of the jokes in Lucky Star.

[Mirrinus]

Honestly now, did ANYONE here really expect Lucky☆Star to not have niche humor? I mean, the promo art features GIRLS PLAYING WII. The #1 character we knew about before it aired was Konata, and that was only for her reputation as a super otaku. And since this is Kyoto Animation we're talking about, since when did they NOT make niche anime? I'm not even sure if Full Metal Panic counts...

I came into this knowing full well that this show was going to be full of references that I may not get, sort of like Azumanga Daioh and Pani Poni Dash mixed together. That's why it's a hit-and-miss show, because not everyone will get it, that's for certain. But since I expected it to begin with, it doesn't really bother me that much. The stuff I do get does indeed amuse me, and these forums are quite helpful for filling me in on what I missed.

Anyway, far be it from me to deny the Kyoto Animation staff their right to have fun with a show. I mean, it's not like it's at our expense, unless you're paying for every episode of Lucky☆Star you've seen, or are watching it at gunpoint...

And besides, it certainly sounds incredibly self-smug to think that Kyoto Animation produced Lucky☆Star for the purpose of laughing at non-Japanese viewers. Are they making anime now solely for people who watch fansubs? Maybe they do have a right to laugh at the uncomprehension of non-Japanese people using legally questionable RAWs and fansubs to view their shows without paying.

[Kyuusai]

As for the comments of Kyoani's giant "inside joke"...

References abound in all media. This is just a unique situation where references are blatant and part of the appeal.

They seem to be having a great time including references to everything under the sun. ...but why does it mean they're doing it at any one else's expense?

[AVPlaya]

And besides, it certainly sounds incredibly self-smug to think that Kyoto Animation produced Lucky☆Star for the purpose of laughing at non-Japanese viewers...

I don't think anyone believe that. I think they are making fun of otaku in JAPAN. I think Western fans are the last thing on their minds when making jokes for Lucky Star. A lot of J-culture references are to stump otakus in Japan; I don't think fansubber watchers are even a player at this game.

A lot of humor is lost because most fansub watchers are a consumer of a niche Japanese culture, but are mostly clueless about all other parts. L*S is much funnier to people who knows the over all culture and then has an understanding of the otaku world. These kind of people, like myself, are very rare outside of Japan. It's a joke between KyoAni and their Japanese fans. I mean, I can just imagine a 20 something Japanese otaku asking his older sister about Sakai Noriko. We're not supposed to get the joke. :)


...but why does it mean they're doing it at any one else's expense?

I guess I don't mean it like that. I mean they're making fun of themselves since they ARE mostly otakus. Otakus are very self-depreciative and humble; this is all just good-natured fun KyoAni is poking at otaku world. I can't think of anyone who would be offended. The sharpest jab I think it's KyoAni saying "otakus are clueless about everyday Japanese life. Let's see if they get something everyday ordinary Japanese knows".

For example, one of the episode made reference to Japanese sporting news. You're supposed to laugh if you know that the 2006 Japan Series is between the Nippon Ham Fighters and the Chunichi Dragons (these companies don't own department store or railroads), that the "Hankerchief Prince" is the hero of the 88th Summer Koshien HS baseball turnament, Saito Yuki, and that the best pitcher in Japan, Matsuzaka Daisuke, is now a Boston Red Sox. KyoAni is laughing at the otaku who didn't get the jokes because they could not care less about sports. If ANY otaku is forced check sanspo.com to find out about these basic, everyday trivial for the normal Japanese, then KyoAni won. Their jokes has done the job, and the hikkomori otaku oblivious to everyday life better laugh with KyoAni at themselves.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Hence my underlying complaint about Lucky Star. It feels like Kyoto Animation making this anime for their own amusement and laugh at the uncomprehending audience especially non Japanese ones. Talk about self smugness.

Another poster in the forum also said the same thing, the jokes in Lucky Star is really niche jokes, and even he, a long time anime fan and Japanese fluent did not get some of the jokes in Lucky Star.

While I agree the show has started to stray into 2channel meme territory for it's style of humour and has slowly moved away from it's roots as an all around Otaku/School Comedy (We're seeing less and less games, broadcast anime, school stuff, and manga, and more and more Haruhi, Kanon, FMP, Lolicon references that seem to be there for little reason other than to please the stalwart core fanbase and leave this leaves me baffled a bit. What about roping in new viewers or securing wafflers? :confused:), I don't think anybody is deliberately trying to make the show an in-group/out-group thing to screw with non-Japanese people, but I agree it is quite self-referential at the moment. I just think it probably comes down to them maybe not having considered some things such as a foreign fans, or even new fans who are first time viewers of their shows.

Maybe then, this isn't the right show for you. :thinker: Essentially you have to at the bare minimum be aware of the three shows I have mentioned in this current stage of the anime in order to get most of the jokes that are being thrown at you. Maybe see if they start doing references in a greater variety later on or if the shows works itself back into School Life/Popular Otaku Culture territory and then come back (As an aside those have been the jokes I laugh at). There's probably not to much you'll miss if you choose to do so, as the series has an extremely loose continuity. If you're looking for more variety in your references I'd suggest Hayate The Combat Butler, which is currently airing this season and uses many common as well as obscure references in it's punchlines.

Oh one last thing, the Yu-Gi-Oh joke is a breath of fresh air for me. I was feeling suffocated by the Haruhi/Kanon/FMP stuff for a while so it's great to see something from Toei to break up the monotony. Hopefully this is a sign that the Haruhi refs have run their course at least for the time being and that we'll scale back a bit to a less self-referential style of humour for this second half of the series. My hope is for more focus on the characters themselves to fill the gap where the Haruhi refs lay, we still haven't seen much of the new cast, and I'm wondering what they're waiting for. It's definitely time to break them in. I want to see Konata's cousin already!

[Vexx]

I'd like to point out that Looney Toons and Animaniacs is bursting with inside jokes and cultural references ... there's one episode of Animaniacs actually dedicated to *real* fans called "Please Please Pleese Get A Life" (spelling intended). Its so self-referential its a singularity event.

Lucky*Star is in the same vein... but just like Animaniacs - a viewer can miss ALL those references and still find the show funny, amusing, or relaxing.

[Daniel E.]

Lucky*Star is in the same vein... but just like Animaniacs - a viewer can miss ALL those references and still find the show funny, amusing, or relaxing.

I agree on this. In Mexico we tend to say that it's the comedians the ones that mostly makes us laugh and not so the jokes they use.

In Lucky Star's case, I think it's the character themselves the ones that often made the references funny in the first place.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I'd like to point out that Looney Toons and Animaniacs is bursting with inside jokes and cultural references ... there's one episode of Animaniacs actually dedicated to *real* fans called "Please Please Pleese Get A Life" (spelling intended). Its so self-referential its a singularity event.

Lucky*Star is in the same vein... but just like Animaniacs - a viewer can miss ALL those references and still find the show funny, amusing, or relaxing.

I'm just hoping for more variety in the coming episodes. We seem to have hit a bit of a rut where some jokes are being reused more than I would like them to be. Of course Animaniacs was a 99 episode series, and Looney Toons have been around since the dawn of time practically, but we've still got half the series to go, and they can make this happen. I'm sure some people are satifisied right now, but greedy as I am I want to see the show branch out in it's references more in coming episodes.

Next episode will be it, they'll give us the rest of the cast in the second half and that'll be a second wind. I hope....

[Dularc.D]

Great episode!

Highlights:
- Miyukis family of meganekko moe-globs.
- Shiraishis confession to the red haired GUY!
- YuGiOh(also versus Shiraishi)
- Twin-Doriru in action.

But the best would definitely have to be the Kagami confessing to a guy with her textbook tsundere: "There-is-absolutely-no-meaning-whatsoever-behind-these-chocolates-chocolates"!

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9/10

[Kaoru Chujo]

This show is so obscure and difficult to follow that we are all still here after 13 episodes continuing to enjoy it. I agree with those who say that we don't need to get all the jokes and references to find the show funny/amusing/enjoyable. And that this kind of self-referentiality and abundance of cultural in-jokes is not unusual in Western shows, either.

I'm very happy with the show so far, but I too am eager to see the rest of the characters arrive. Especially "Patty Martin" (Sasaki Nozomi) and Konata's cousin.

[vaizard_ruler]

well at least i know my score was good though at first now when i was readign some of the posts in here i was expecting better or something like ep 12 >.> maybe i shouldve at least given it an 8 since i didnt know Old Skol was in it

[Kinny Riddle]

I'd like to point out that Looney Toons and Animaniacs is bursting with inside jokes and cultural references ... there's one episode of Animaniacs actually dedicated to *real* fans called "Please Please Pleese Get A Life" (spelling intended). Its so self-referential its a singularity event.

Lucky*Star is in the same vein... but just like Animaniacs - a viewer can miss ALL those references and still find the show funny, amusing, or relaxing.
Couldn't have put it any better, Vexx. Whether you like them or not, these inside jokes are here to stay. Your best bet? Either stop watching or stop complaining (no disrespect intended) and accept that they're part of the show, since it's unlikely Kyo-Ani would ever "learn" and make them go away.

And Kyo-Ani isn't the only studio guilty of putting self-referential humour, just look at Ouran Host Club and Hayate no Gotoku. The list goes on. Of course compared to Lucky Star, their self-reference pales in comparison.

Before Lucky Star, Kyo-Ani has rather showed some restraint in self-referential humour in their previous works, it's just that the premise for Lucky Star, basically a koma strip about an otaku girl and her friends - without the burden of a heavy plot. This of course makes it ideal for the insertion of self-referential jokes anywhere, hence the "orgy" of otaku-related jokes and inside-jokes.

I'll wait till I've seen the episode to make my grading. But this got my heart stopped for a moment.

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Tsundere Kagami-sama! :love: :love: (Edit: replaced with longer version)

PS I personally find Shiraishi's Live-Action ED funny.

[Skane]

Questions...

Who the heck was the white dog? It even had a cameo in the actual episode.
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Who voiced the guy that Kagami gave the valentine chocolates to?
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Who were the other two people in the ED?
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Am I the only one who immediately noticed the "Fumoffu!" BGM insertion in the scene where Konata sees Kagami running down the corridor (14:10-14:13)? Fumoffu! fans should know which BGM I am referring to (the one used when Chidori goes all tender with Sousuke, prime example being the bench scene during the amusement park episode).

Cheers.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Couldn't have put it any better, Vexx. Whether you like them or not, these inside jokes are here to stay. Your best bet? Either stop watching or stop complaining (no disrespect intended) and accept that they're part of the show, since it's unlikely Kyo-Ani would ever "learn" and make them go away.

And Kyo-Ani isn't the only studio guilty of putting self-referential humour, just look at Ouran Host Club and Hayate no Gotoku. The list goes on. Of course compared to Lucky Star, their self-reference pales in comparison.

Before Lucky Star, Kyo-Ani has rather showed some restraint in self-referential humour in their previous works, it's just that the premise for Lucky Star, basically a koma strip about an otaku girl and her friends - without the burden of a heavy plot. This of course makes it ideal for the insertion of self-referential jokes anywhere, hence the "orgy" of otaku-related jokes and inside-jokes.


It does leave space open for self-referential jokes, but it's not necessarily the ideal or only option. They could also fill part of the time with some of those Kagami Vs Konata moments or write some of their own 4-Koma style jokes. Basically it doesn't have to be an orgy, it could be a mix of Otaku pleasing and Everyday life stuff when there are gaps in the manga, and it doesn't necessarily need to be an inside joke, it can be anything. For example, they need to fill time, rather than send Konata to the store again and feature the same old products, why not feature her doing something on the computer and actually show a view of the game and her character tearing up the MMO scene. There are lots of options to be explored.

Oh and for point of reference Ouran High School Host Club<Hayate No Gotoku<Lucky Star<Family Guy<Pani Poni Dash, when it comes to self-reference and injokes. At least in my view as most of HnG's references come from other very obvious sources, but I get less of Family Guy's references without help then I do with Lucky Star and that's my own culture, and Pani Poni Dash I all but needed the PDF Files that contained all the information on the refs.

On the prospect of the episode itself, has anybody noticed that Miyuki has barely been used at all in the show lately. Despite being all prim and proper and an unpopular character for the most part (though she'd still sell more related merchandise than a male main character like Sousuke :heh:), she isn't all that boring. I haven't seen this episode, but I hope they do something with her again soon. I never thought I'd feel this way, but I kind of miss the finger pointed up in the air followed by a motherly lecture bit.

I also saw the ending and on one hand it is quite bizarre, which I like, but on the other hand, the history behind it's existance irks me a little. I'm 50/50 for and against it (more like 60/40 actually).

[dodgethis_sg]

Echo
Papa
India
Charlie

times many many, as they say in the SAF.

[Julius Firefocht]

This episode requires, nay, demands more than 10. The voting scale here does not begin to describe its awesomeness.

Sunrise seems to be especially generous with their stuff lately. XD

[GoldAlchemist]

KyoAni is trying to appeal to its hardcore fan base who would appreciate these jokes. Why? Your typical anime fans, even if they reside in Japan, would probably watch the anime on TV or internet, but you won't cough up the dough for the super expensive DVD and stuff, which afterall is where KyoAni makes its money.

[Vexx]

Couldn't have put it any better, Vexx. Whether you like them or not, these inside jokes are here to stay. Your best bet? Either stop watching or stop complaining (no disrespect intended) and accept that they're part of the show, since it's unlikely Kyo-Ani would ever "learn" and make them go away.

Tsundere Kagami-sama! :love: :love:

PS I personally find Shiraishi's Live-Action ED funny.

Welllllllll, that's not *exactly* what I meant. Self-referential jokes can be funny but if they intrude over the central action, to me it becomes a lose. For example, despite some of the audience loving the scene between the two voice actors in the convention --- I find that sort of thing a derail. It went on way too long and basically that isn't part of Lucky*Star's world. Instead of being integrated, it was almost like a separate commercial moment.
Now, I enjoyed the anime-only moments of how the girls reacted to the convention... but I found the vendor cameo-reference battle poorly integrated and pretty much irrelevant to the core of Lucky*Star.
At least in the Initial D reference in an earlier episode, a character was directly involved and participating in the parody.

Ten years from now when everyone's forgotten who 'Sugita" and those characters are... people watching Lucky*Star ep 12 will probably go ... okay what the hell was that bit about and why was it animated so differently?
And what did it have to do with Lucky*Star? Whereas with the Initial D sequence they might at least think "that was so funny watching her act like she was in some video game".

If the ED is "live-action Shiriashi" that's almost what I was wishing for the L*C segment.... thumbs up.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Welllllllll, that's not *exactly* what I meant. Self-referential jokes can be funny but if they intrude over the central action, to me it becomes a lose. For example, despite some of the audience loving the scene between the two voice actors in the convention --- I find that sort of thing a derail. It went on way too long and basically that isn't part of Lucky*Star's world. Instead of being integrated, it was almost like a separate commercial moment.
Now, I enjoyed the anime-only moments of how the girls reacted to the convention... but I found the vendor cameo-reference battle poorly integrated and pretty much irrelevant to the core of Lucky*Star.
At least in the Initial D reference in an earlier episode, a character was directly involved and participating in the parody.

Ten years from now when everyone's forgotten who 'Sugita" and those characters are... people watching Lucky*Star ep 12 will probably go ... okay what the hell was that bit about and why was it animated so differently?
And what did it have to do with Lucky*Star? Whereas with the Initial D sequence they might at least think "that was so funny watching her act like she was in some video game".

If the ED is "live-action Shiriashi" that's almost what I was wishing for the L*C segment.... thumbs up.

What was it that professor said to me once, it was like there is period based comedy such as jokes being levelled against politicians and then their is timeless comedy like football in the groin and while period based comedy may be all the rage in that era, it will only lead to confused looks later down the road. For example, Gerald Ford's habit for stumbling and losing his footing at awkard times resulted in much lampooning and everybody knew about it and laughed, even Mr. Ford himself, but how many people remember or even laugh at that anymore now that he's no longer president and has since passed away. Yet things such as Charlie Chaplin's impersonations of Adolf Hitler will probably always draw laughs as there is historical value in that and people will get the reference. Thus, I think Lucky Star is primarily a period comedy, but could have jokes that become timeless if it wanted.

@Julius Firefocht: That's something I don't see or hear everyday. :confused::confused: Did you mean to post that in the Code Geass forum and make a mistake? I think you have the wrong series.

[kenjiharima]

ACK!!! I WANNA DOWNLOAD THE RAWS NOW...

I think Minoru Shiraishi must have...gone to the other side...damn sun flowers XD

But as for the spoilers looks like Lucky Star is getting better every new episode!

oppps no time for this and work...*downloads RAWS* :heh:

[Risaa]

I'll wait till I've seen the episode to make my grading. But this got my heart stopped for a moment.

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I never get tired of seeing this posted (since coming to SoCal, I've gotten so behind on anime... leaving for home tomolo though). I loved seeing it in the image thread, loved seeing screencaps of it, and I loove seeing it actually animated. Now if Kagami would *really* do that instead of it being Kona's imagination. :)

Will wait to comment on self-referential jokes until I've seen the more recent episodes... it seems it's a topic that never fully goes away and likes to reappear every so often ne. Lost count how many times "Animaniacs" has been mentioned in this sub-forum... keep this up and I'm ordering the DVD sets (though admittedly, I plan to order them eventually anyways). :)

[Kaoru Chujo]

1. Like almost every anime -- and like Dickens, Shakespeare, etc. -- this show is being made for profits over the next few years, not for posterity. So the period-based comedy is okay by me. Better than a football in the groin, even when I don't get the references. But I am still not laughing out loud very often, I admit.

2. I am the furthest thing from a purist, so I just don't see any problem with the inserted humor like the Animate store manager, etc. I don't even think it violates the unity of the piece, since it refers so directly to Konata's obsessions. I can even imagine all that stuff taking place in Kona-chan's imagination. The differing visual style and pacing is like a punctuation of the rest of the piece for me, not an interruption.

3. 2channel is beginning to roar with approval. There are still a few naysayers, but the bulk of the posts sees this show as almost all win, now. It's not going to catch up to StrikerS in number of posts, but it is closing the gap, proportionally. It's up to over 167,000 posts, with StrikerS at over 210,000. LS has climbed from 2/3 of StrikerS to over 3/4.

4. The idea that this is being made for the public that is so obsessed it will actually buy the DVDs makes sense to me. But I do think others can enjoy it, too.

[Vexx]

I never get tired of seeing this posted (since coming to SoCal, I've gotten so behind on anime... leaving for home tomolo though). I loved seeing it in the image thread, loved seeing screencaps of it, and I loove seeing it actually animated. Now if Kagami would *really* do that instead of it being Kona's imagination. :)

Will wait to comment on self-referential jokes until I've seen the more recent episodes... it seems it's a topic that never fully goes away and likes to reappear every so often ne. Lost count how many times "Animaniacs" has been mentioned in this sub-forum... keep this up and I'm ordering the DVD sets (though admittedly, I plan to order them eventually anyways). :)

Animaniacs, animaniacs, animaniacs, ani.... what? I just like saying it.

@Kaoru: Oh, I whine about the inserts because I just don't think the original material needs it. Kind of like the same way I thought Peter Jackson's LOTR futzing with the Army of the Dead sequences was colorful but mostly unnecessary PJ overampage. The card vendor scene.... just wasn't even funny or seemed like part of the show (to me). Most of the other inserts have fit right in with Kona's activities or were well integrated (like the driving scene).
Fortunately, the rest of the convention sequence and all of the shinto/newyear's sequence made up for it. Quite a fair amount of ep 12 was anime-only but fit right in with the spirit of the source material. Very anxious to see ep 13 now after seeing some of the clips.

[Anh_Minh]

I don't know. I rather liked the vendor fight. Even though I don't pay attention to VA names and didn't get that it was Sousuke and Kyon's VA until after the fact.

I mean, yeesh, I don't care who voices them, hotblood(tm) clerks are fun.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I mean, yeesh, I don't care who voices them, hotblood(tm) clerks are fun.

To bad in real life your more likely to get the Konata: "I'm busy go ask someone else" thing from her imagined part time job, only without the Loli at the cash register and instead a rough 300 lb personality named Rick. :heh: If only most retailers could be as passionate as the Anime Tenchou and less like Sugita's "Oh gee we're really sorry but we've gotta follow bureaucratic store policy and you the customer are to blame, have a nice day", the world would be a more interesting place. That's why I order everything I can online.

[Anh_Minh]

I actually wouldn't like loud, aggressive clerks IRL. A cute loli, OTOH, would be a lot more forgivable even if she mumbles and isn't terribly helpful.

[Kouvley]

@Julius Firefocht: That's something I don't see or hear everyday. :confused::confused: Did you mean to post that in the Code Geass forum and make a mistake? I think you have the wrong series.

I think Julius was refering to the Sunrise parodies in this episode.

There was a Code Geass one and a Keroro Gunso one where the cast voiced some characters and done the next ep preview.:)
The ending caught me off guard completely. :heh:
Pretty funny as a one off joke - if you get the reference of course.;)

[Kaioshin Sama]

I think Julius was refering to the Sunrise parodies in this episode.

There was a Code Geass one and a Keroro Gunso one where the cast voiced some characters and done the next ep preview.:)
The ending caught me off guard completely. :heh:
Pretty funny as a one off joke - if you get the reference of course.;)

Hmmm, then the reason they are so generous is because Bandai, Kadokawa and Toei are extremely close knit, own stock in each other and they all might as well be the same company. Kadokawa has the magazines, Bandai the electronic media and Toei pretty much owns the 5-12 demographic. Although, Bandai still seems to be very strict when it comes to Gundam.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Ten years from now when everyone's forgotten who 'Sugita" and those characters are... people watching Lucky*Star ep 12 will probably go ... okay what the hell was that bit about and why was it animated so differently?
And what did it have to do with Lucky*Star? Whereas with the Initial D sequence they might at least think "that was so funny watching her act like she was in some video game".

No chance of people forgetting about Animate Tencho in 10 years. He IS the mascot of the Animate store after-all, and I think the store is going strong...

I got myself a part-time job at my local anime shop recently, and have asked Boss to try get me an Animate Tencho cap. It will give me "hot blood and guts!" while I run the place on Sundays.:D

[Vexx]

If you can generate the surrounding effects when you externalize your gar-ness ... it'll probably be a huge hit. But I've learned not to underestimate what can be forgotten by the crowd be it literature, politics, pop-icons, or whatever. :)

[archanfels]

Kool ep., some good stuff, but IMO the Animate Dencho gang's gotta stop appearing.

If you think about it (which, I guess should be prohibited in the first place while watching LS), the latest 2 ep. felt like a big playground/commercial-fest for KyoAni and you the audience are somewhat toyed by them. Take the "Epic" ED everyone's talking bout, it's funny if you get the reference but just wth does it have to do w/ LS? The previous songs are from elsewhere too but at least they were integrated into the show as karaokes.

While I overall enjoyed them, I can see Ep. 12/13 being annoying to some, especially those fans of the original manga. Afterall, LS has an original manga version and is not some otaku/self-referencefest created by KyoAni.

The lastest 2 Ep. strongly supported the opinion that LS are solely for Otaku enjoyment, which I disagreed before (I mean, really, for a not-so-otaku like myself I enjoyed LS most times but had to google/wiki lots of the stuff in these recent 2 ep.), hopefully next one w/ the introduction of new characters, KyoAni will restrain themselves and get back to focus on the show itself.

[Vexx]

Its probably a matter of *which* otaku..... as a fan of the original manga, I'd rather not see the heart of Lucky*Star buried under duct-taped on stuff, whereas people who haven't read the manga are enjoying such things more. Kyo-ani has done a relatively decent job but aye, I'm hoping they got it out of their system a bit as there's much more story to tell from the manga.

[krln99]

Kool ep., some good stuff, but IMO the Animate Dencho gang's gotta stop appearing.

If you think about it (which, I guess should be prohibited in the first place while watching LS), the latest 2 ep. felt like a big playground/commercial-fest for KyoAni and you the audience are somewhat toyed by them. Take the "Epic" ED everyone's talking bout, it's funny if you get the reference but just wth does it have to do w/ LS? The previous songs are from elsewhere too but at least they were integrated into the show as karaokes.

While I overall enjoyed them, I can see Ep. 12/13 being annoying to some, especially those fans of the original manga. Afterall, LS has an original manga version and is not some otaku/self-referencefest created by KyoAni.

The lastest 2 Ep. strongly supported the opinion that LS are solely for Otaku enjoyment, which I disagreed before (I mean, really, for a not-so-otaku like myself I enjoyed LS most times but had to google/wiki lots of the stuff in these recent 2 ep.), hopefully next one w/ the introduction of new characters, KyoAni will restrain themselves and get back to focus on the show itself.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Less KyoAni and otaku in-jokes and more L*S. Hopefully the next episode we get to see the rest of the "freshman class" in addition to Yutaka - Minami, Hyori, and Patty.

[Vexx]

On another forum, someone speculated something I find interesting and carrying some probability:

In fact now that I think about it, I'm starting to suspect the dismiss of Yamamoto Yutaka as director is because he probably wanted a much more faithful adaptation of the manga instead of the style that Lucky Star has taken on now. All the anime reference jokes only really took off after he left.

[Mirrinus]

I don't know, that sounds rather like a post hoc ergo propter hoc idea. And seriously, I thought some of the earlier episodes had comparable amounts of references to some of the later episodes. It's just that it's more obvious in the later episodes, what with the HOT BLOODED SCREAMING and all.

[AVPlaya]

On another forum, someone speculated something I find interesting and carrying some probability:

I tend to agree with this assessment, but I also think he has problem with comedic timing. He can't seemed to place his punchline very well and all the jokes flows like a single narrative. I also thought he should have begin with something which gives us more background on the girls for those who has never followed the manga. I think this all pointed to his removal.

I also tend to believe this though - public dismissal like this is RARE in Japanese companies unless it involved saving face for someone else. Meaning, you would only do this only if it makes another party happy. I really don't see that here. If this is really a dismissal, there won't be such a public statement and such an overt statement; thing will get glossed over or another excuse will be made up for it. The whole annoucement sounds like a joke. Yamamoto may have creative disagreement with either the sponsors or possibly the author, and decided to quit the project. I'm almost certain he wasn't let go from the project due to incompetence. No major apology to anyone was followed either; the whole thing smelled like a red herring. I think it's KyoAni screwing with the fans again.

[Vexx]

aye... I just thought the idea was interesting enough to forward. I also have never made sense of the dismissal for the same reasons as you say about such things. There's also the fact that KyoAni typically does a thorough storyboard up front for an entire series.

ep 13's content will provide some illumination about whether we can expect the "intrusions" to ebb and flow or continue to ramp up.

[Mirrinus]

I just find it deliciously ironic that people were worried that Kyoto Animation might not be able to fill in material for a 4-koma series, which is naturally disjointed and hard to make a TV series for. Yet now, we're here worrying about the exact opposite being true. ^_^

I personally think this might be hard to guage until the series is nearly over, as Kyoto Animation has shown that they're not necessarily tied to the order in which each short story is presented in the manga. For example, the bit about Konata looking at Miyuki's report card was one of the earliest stories in the manga, but it didn't show up for quite a while in the anime.

[dahl_moon]

Just saw the episode. Enjoyed the first half, meh the second half, ending crazy creative.
I enjoyed the *food talk* a lot.
How New Year's food is so great
How Konata makes excuses on why her family eats pasta
Especially how Konata teases Kagami on her increased weight ("miko, おせじ??(is that correct?), miko, ozouni, miko, okashi, okashi, okashi, ..." Hirano Aya was incredible here)
Kagami hyped over mochi (I'd love to have some right now... it's almost midnight right now). Tsukasa's "おもち　ウニャンン~"

Konata's "Uguu"... also was so funny:p

About the ending, just about what you'd see on a typical Japanese TV show program. Interesting, but if I want to see Japanese TV shows I'd go see the real stuff.

[Kaioshin Sama]

On another forum, someone speculated something I find interesting and carrying some probability:

I've toyed with that theory recently for the exact same reasons. I'll say I think it is possible as well.

[AlphaDragoon]

Although, Bandai still seems to be very strict when it comes to Gundam.

Yeah, I caught this. Konata's a teenage anime fangirl and DOESN'T have Kira Yamato/Athrun Zala/Lacus Clyne-centric memorabilia? Yeah right. :heh:

[AVPlaya]

Yeah, I caught this. Konata's a teenage anime fangirl and DOESN'T have Kira Yamato/Athrun Zala/Lacus Clyne-centric memorabilia? Yeah right. :heh:

Well, there are otaku subs-sets.... Gun-Ota are really a breed to themselves though... It's possible that she's not into the genre, but since we know about her intense interest in Getter Robo, I think it's more about Bandai being asses rather than Kona's lack of interest in emo boys piloting fancy robots while crying. I believe KyoAni would not miss a Gundam parody if they're allowed to.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Well, there are otaku subs-sets.... Gun-Ota are really a breed to themselves though... It's possible that she's not into the genre, but since we know about her intense interest in Getter Robo, I think it's more about Bandai being asses rather than Kona's lack of interest in emo boys piloting fancy robots while crying. I believe KyoAni would not miss a Gundam parody if they're allowed to.

Well there was the "Asia" thing during the last episode, which seems like an obvious reference to Master Asia from G Gundam given Seki Tomokazu basically pulling a Domon Kashuu on him.

[Princess_of_Hell]

What is up with that ending sequence? :confused::confused:

Overall, it was a good episode and I enjoyed the Animate scene at the end. I LOLed when Konata decided not to purchase the DVD since she found out she didn't have enough yen. :heh::eyespin:

[AlphaDragoon]

I think it's more about Bandai being asses rather than Kona's lack of interest in emo boys piloting fancy robots while crying. I believe KyoAni would not miss a Gundam parody if they're allowed to.

Yeah, that's the point I was making. If Bandai wasn't being overly strict about it you KNOW Kona-chan would have the Freedom and the Kira posters flying proudly. :D

[Kaoru Chujo]

....I'm almost certain he wasn't let go from the project due to incompetence. No major apology to anyone was followed either; the whole thing smelled like a red herring. I think it's KyoAni screwing with the fans again.kj1980 speculated when it happened that he might have been having trouble with the administrative aspects of the job, such as interacting with sponsors/producers, and they made up this cover story to rescue him from his bind.

I think Yamakan is creatively brilliant, at least on a small scale, witness the OP and ED. I think any problem with comedic timing would be more down to the writer, storyboarder and director of a specific episode, rather than the overall director. He did storyboard and direct ep1, I think.

[Vexx]

The screen caps are up over on Random Curiosity. Looks mostly wonderful -- some very beautiful moments make it onscreen, but I'm starting to wonder if we're going to have to bear with "anime-only" Sousuke and his cohorts in every episode for the rest of the series.

I'd like more Lucky*Star, please? It's not like there isn't a truckload of funny stuff and characters from the manga, eh?

[Mirrinus]

At least this time, Animate Tenchou's appearance is more integrated with Konata's normal activities. It's not quite the same as the previous episode, where his appearace didn't really have anything to do with the girls.

[Vexx]

About to watch the raw.... I'll toss some comments in the morning. Hopefully, my irritation will be covered in thick aloe vera by then :)

[Risaa]

About to watch the raw.... I'll toss some comments in the morning. Hopefully, my irritation will be covered in thick aloe vera by then :)
Off-topic (gomen-ne!): I brought a bottle of aloe vera with me here to SoCal because I *knew* I'd burn (as I always do when I'm in the sun longer than 15 minutes.. sucks when you live in Vegas ne). I'd been complaining for two days about my pinkish face; looks like my cheeks and nose burned a little at the pool. Then yesterday at AX, I saw a nice Yuna (FFX, not X-2)... who was a deep shade of red all over her face, shoulders, and backside. :eek: It just looked painful. I'm not whining about my face anymore.

Overall, it was a good episode and I enjoyed the Animate scene at the end. I LOLed when Konata decided not to purchase the DVD since she found out she didn't have enough yen.
Replace "DVD" with "manga", and you have no idea how often that happens to me (as probably most of us here). :heh: Usually I get distracted by something really shiny, leave to go buy it, then come back and find I don't have enough money for the item I'd had my eye on since the beginning. I think everyone who's geeky enough to attend anime cons relates to Kona, at least a little... and in this particular case, *everybody* has that happen at some point, even "normal" people with "lives". :)

[Vexx]

Can't wait til morning:

Outside of the DVD store experience lasting one minute too long,the rest of the episode was damned good. Stellar animation, lots of attention to detail, interesting camera work, lots of outstanding renditions of facial expressions. It was like they were softening me up so I wouldn't have a fit over the anime store sequence. The only minor sadness was Tsukasa spent quite a lot of time in her "I'm in over my head" blank stare. Apparently, she gets some payback for that with more screentime next episode.

The DVD store experience was good (its almost avant-garde in a couple of spots) ... just need about 60 seconds of trim. They did get a little sloppy with the "non-L*S" style animation art.

The L*C and ED ending would be a wonderful endcap to the L*C sequences. They should stop right there. It was hilarious.

[Ottocycle]

Questions...

Who the heck was the white dog? It even had a cameo in the actual episode.
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Who voiced the guy that Kagami gave the valentine chocolates to?
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Who were the other two people in the ED?
.
Am I the only one who immediately noticed the "Fumoffu!" BGM insertion in the scene where Konata sees Kagami running down the corridor (14:10-14:13)? Fumoffu! fans should know which BGM I am referring to (the one used when Chidori goes all tender with Sousuke, prime example being the bench scene during the amusement park episode).

Cheers.

I don't think I saw an answer to these...
1. Beats me.
2. Tachiki Fumihiko?
3. Random passerby couple volunteers(there was a note saying they agreed readily when asked to appear)
4. I know that Fumoffu BGM you're talking about...its only the first 3 notes that are identical though...whatever comes after that is completely original(to me at least). But of course I doubt Sahashi Toshihiko would allow his music to cameo though. Even if he did Kousaki Satoru won't.

And now my own question, I got the feeling the entire ED sequence, and the song lyrics were ad-libbed by Shiraishi himself. Anyone else felt that way?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

And now my own question, I got the feeling the entire ED sequence, and the song lyrics were ad-libbed by Shiraishi himself. Anyone else felt that way?

Since the credits clearly states that he had written the lyrics and music himself, you are more or less right.:heh:

[Vexx]

Technically, we should be spoiler tagging specific comments since the fansub hasn't been released yet, eh? eh?
(edit: my bad.... I was thinking of series with only one thread rather than whole subforums, ignore this).

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Technically, we should be spoiler tagging specific comments since the fansub hasn't been released yet, eh? eh?

Nah, in general if you don't want to know what happens in episode 13, what are you doing in an episode 13 discussion thread?:eyespin:

The only thing that needs spoiler tagging is for things that are in future episodes.

Seriuosly, why do you think those waiting for the subs would even read this thread?:heh:

[Nemo_N]

About the store scene:

When I saw Anime Tenchou I thought "Again?; I think they are overdoing it".

But then I realized the cast of Keroro Gunsou was in it; after that, I believe it was the only way to fit them in the show. (Of course, we need more Lucky Star, but I can't complain so far)

Which makes me wonder; are there going to be more guest seiyuu?

[Vexx]

Nah, in general if you don't want to know what happens in episode 13, what are you doing in an episode 13 discussion thread?:eyespin:

The only thing that needs spoiler tagging is for things that are in future episodes.

Seriuosly, why do you think those waiting for the subs would even read this thread?:heh:

Mainly because that's been the rule as I recall it for episode threads on these forums ... until a fansub is released, posters are requested to tag spoilers. I'll check with the mods to see if I'm remembering incorrectly or not.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Mainly because that's been the rule as I recall it for episode threads on these forums ... until a fansub is released, posters are requested to tag spoilers. I'll check with the mods to see if I'm remembering incorrectly or not.

Well, back in the Gundam subforum, the rule is you put on spoilertags until the episode airs, then it is free-for-all.

You still haven't explained why you think people who don't want to know about an episode would want to enter the episode's discussion thread... What would they possibly want to discuss?:twitch::)

As far as I know, the rule you described is only for threads were multiple episodes were discussed together, if an anime doesn't have its own sub-forum. When each episode has its own thread, there is no issue.

[Vexx]

It really doesn't matter whether *I* think it has a reason or not :)

You may be recalling right, but I'd prefer to do what the mods say so I'll wait for their feedback.

[Daniel E.]

Well, back in the Gundam subforum, the rule is you put on spoilertags until the episode airs, then it is free-for-all.

I though it was free-for-all until the episode in question was actually subbed; This only applies of course, if a group is actually working on said show. (Not talking about the Gundam forum, Btw.)

Lucky Star doesnt follow a set story, so maybe that's why the mods are more easy going with spoilers around here.

[Vexx]

Well.. carry on as ya'll think best ... no mods on board at the moment it seems.

[Pellissier]

Well.. carry on as ya'll think best ... no mods on board at the moment it seems.
Hai Hai :)

The use of spoiler tags for unfansubbed episodes is more of an etiquette than a real rule. Said this, their use would be nice, but it would be labeled as a form of courtesy towards fellow members more than anything else. I suppose we can't really force anyone to use them, inside the episode threads of the subforums; if one enters a given thread, he should more or less expect that he's going to read (supposedly unwanted) anticipations, so my suggestion for a person who wants to remain spoiler-free would be not to enter the thread until the fansubs are out (even I used to make like that sometime ago).

The point Daniel E. raises about Lucky Star is also pretty much spot on. I mean, I don't think that reading that

Konata will say "uguu"
would ruin the vision of the episode that much. :)

I see spoiler tags as most suited for plot driven series. i.e. sola, I don't know if you used to read the episode discussion threads there, but a great use of spoiler tags was made, before the episode got fansubbed.

So in a nutshell, on subforums' episode threads, we generally leave spoiler tags use to users' personal thinking and responsibility.
As long as the discussion is related to the episode of the title, and doesn't go further in anticipations (i.e. next episodes), it is fine. :)

Obviously this is much different from the series' discussion thread of the fansubbed section, whereas the use of spoiler tags for unfansubbed episodes shall be a much more enforced rule (generically understood by members by the way) than just an etiquette.

Hope this cleared things up enough :)

[Vexx]

Thanks, I stand corrected.... or modified... or whatever works.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Mainly because that's been the rule as I recall it for episode threads on these forums ... until a fansub is released, posters are requested to tag spoilers....For what it's worth, I disagree with this. I think that's the rule for general forums, but for shows that have threads for each episode, I believe that spoilers are not necessary, either as a matter of rules or as a matter of courtesy.

I just checked older shows and found that we did not use spoilers for Kashimashi, except for manga spoilers, and that there was spotty use of spoilers for F/SN. If you look at the first posts of these single-episode threads, it says to use spoilers for manga spoilers, but says nothing about things from the episode itself. I do see in the first post for the first single-thread episode of Kashimashi, that Catgirls asked for episode spoilers to be used there, but I see that he removed that request from the first post of episode 2, and it hasn't been in first posts since then, as far as I've checked.

I think spoilers are a bad thing, that they interrupt the conversation and should be avoided whenever possible. It is not possible in general threads, and spoilers should be used scrupulously there, but I thought part of the purpose of these single-episode threads was to avoid spoilers. That and to better organize vast conversations. I think the trend toward spoilers in single-episode threads is an unfortunate falling back into old habits that degrades the usefulness of single-episode threads.

However, I will follow whatever the majority (and/or the mods) want. The sola episode threads used spoilers, so I did (kicking and screaming). As for courtesy, I think it works both ways. I think it would be courteous of people who want to discuss an episode before they've seen it to confine their discussions to the previous episode's thread so as to allow a freer conversation in the thread for the episode itself, without spoilers that bury raw-watchers' comments out of sight. I personally find that the early discussions in these threads by people who haven't seen the episode tend to be more like general discussions anyway. If I haven't seen an episode, I can easily just not visit its thread.

I'm sorry to have gone on at such length, but this has bothered me for a while, so I thought I'd better discuss it fully.

[Vexx]

Well... as Pell noted, my recollection was offbase (or at least applied in the wrong kind of thread). Modified my post to flag for idiocy....

[Deathkillz]

I'll wait till I've seen the episode to make my grading. But this got my heart stopped for a moment.

sR0xwgHQGuI

waaaa...dam you for playing with my heart so much :bash: seriously kona needs to control her fantasies so they remain in her head :rolleyes:

[Vexx]

There were literally dozens of lovely moments in this episode (some almost too fast to catch), but the content on this one screen capture is pure family :)


http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/395/luckystar13large08nf5.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luckystar13large08nf5.jpg)

[AlphaDragoon]

There were literally dozens of lovely moments in this episode (some almost too fast to catch), but the content on this one screen capture is pure family :)


http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/395/luckystar13large08nf5.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=luckystar13large08nf5.jpg)


OMG AWW. :love:

[kenjiharima]

Like Father Like Daughter I always say...

Well maybe the attitude and the mole :heh:

Kona-chan looks alot like mom. :P

[AVPlaya]

Placeholder Post... impression coming soon.:D

Just FYI if you want to know the meaning of the ED song, goto the Music Thread where I posed my translation.

[CrowKenobi]

Lucky Star ep 13 by a.f.k is out!! :D

:cool:

[lftwgr]

Yeah, I've been holding off on any discussion until it comes out.... it's about time too heh.

[Asai]

I loved the end. It had me in tears. Seriously the best anime ED ever.

[Drakarst]

best. ending. ever.
so creative, so funny, so awesome!

[suguru]

The next episode preview was awesome too, I can't believe they even did the 'ge-gero!' :D

[sketch143]

i dunno if anyone noticed.. but there was a Churuya-san reference in there!

When Kagamin was talking about what career options Konata would want, the Konata was saying something about Megas and nyoro~n. I'm guessing it's about smoked cheese. around 15:47 i think?

[xerotwo]

omfg the ending was surpurb!!!

[ZODDGUTS]

The next episode preview was awesome too, I can't believe they even did the 'ge-gero!' :D

Loved that part too. Poor Dororo and Kururu they get no love they weren't in it though it's not like they get any love in Keroro Gunso either. :heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

Lucky Star ep 13 by a.f.k is out!! :D

:cool:

Awwwwwwwwww! I don't wanna have to blog it tomorrow....too lazy. :o:o. Oh well duty calls I guess. I'm going to be so busy this week I don't even know how I'm going to fit everything in. What ever happened to me time:(

What's great is that I can pull about a hundred ideas on what to do with the Keroro and Yu-Gi-Oh things, thank god for that.

About this ending: To me the endings kind of eh, on the one hand it's refreshing to have a guy "sing" a them for this show, in fact I think this is a first for this studio actually, but on the other hand I never really cared about the Taniguchi thing all that much, nor got why it became a meme. It's clearly something that really only works if your a hard hardcore fan of Haruhi and get the reference. All in all to me it's a monotony breaker, certainly not the all time best ending I've ever seen in my life, far from it actually, but the kind that's so sudden and unexpected that you don't really know what to think until you've sat down and thought about it a lot. The highlight of it was the random warning klaxon that was going off on occasion during it. Oh and Minoru seems like one of those people that's a genuinely fun guy. I could tell he loved doing the thing and that being able to provide good fanservice brought him a lot of pleasure.

[aznxmitsuko]

"UGUU~!!" Konata said UGUU, Aya Hirano said UGUU~!!!
OMEGA KAWAIIIIII MAHO~!!

[ayako]

I wonder if it's true that there'll be a figure made for Shiraishi. I haven't seen anyone mention it in this thread. :O (Although I guess the ED stands out a lot more... XD)

[Deathkillz]

better late than never :)
a few cutesy moments such as miyuki eating rice cakes and them going "unyuuu" (my god hina :heh:) and the random uguu by kona...
what i still dont get is how the ED is funny at all as i found it rather annoying :heh:

[Anh_Minh]

Horrible ED.

And I still refuse to believe Sebastian was first in the popularity poll.


Too bad about Kagami's chocolates.

[Kaioshin Sama]

better late than never :)
a few cutesy moments such as miyuki eating rice cakes and them going "unyuuu" (my god hina :heh:) and the random uguu by kona...
what i still dont get is how the ED is funny at all as i found it rather annoying :heh:

Oh yeah well, you gotta have an Uguu or something Kanon or Haruhi related or the episode doesn't count.

I'm also not sure if people find the opening bizarre like me or funny like ????, but like I said odds of liking it seem to increase depending on whether you are a Haruhi fan and then from there ones enjoyment of it increases depending on how hardcore a fan they were. So if you were all upons the series it's like :bow:, and if you were a casual fan it's like :heh::confused:, but if you were never a fan it'll probably be like :confused::rolleyes: or even :frustrated:. So enjoyment is probably arranged across a spectrum and by it's very nature it is going to split the viewership on their perception of it, hopefully without much blooshed....hahahahaha:heh::heh::heh:........ :twitch::uhoh:

I'm more of a :twitch: into a :o overall when it comes to this ending.

[Kinny Riddle]

Not a bad episode, actually.

I felt the in-jokes this time around, compared to last episode, were more subtle and is fairly unnoticeable even if one didn't understood them.

1: The adding of Kona-chan's "Uguu~" does not affect the overall gag adapted from the original koma.

2: I think it's pretty much certain that Anime Tenchou has been made an unofficial regular and running gag of the show. Apart from that, the fact that his assistants today are voiced by Watanabe Kumiko (Keroro), Kozakura Etsuko (Tamama) and Nakata Joji (Giroro) does not deviate from the main joke that Anime Tenchou is trying in vain to get Kona-chan to buy some stuff from his store.

Unlike last episode where Seki Tomokazu and Sugita Tomokazu parodied their own characters, the main gripe was that Kona-chan and co were left out of the joke. This time Kona-chan is part of the gag/sketch, so you could say it's an improvement.

Although I acknowledge the ED and Keroro-esque preview may have put some people off and provide even more ammo to those anti-Kyo-Ani-ists.

In terms of the main story itself, it's about time we get to see the new characters in Yui-nee's little sister Yutaka and her friend Minami make their appearance next week.

When Yutaka and Minami enrolls come the new school term, Kona-chan, Miyuki and the twins would be in their third year. Already we have gone through one year in the Lucky Star's timeline. That means there's only one more year left before they all graduate.

I personally felt Yoshimizu should've arranged for Yutaka and the younger ones to enter in Kona-chan's second year, so there'll be "two more years" worth of story material instead of just "one more year". That's what Azumanga Daioh did, chronicling the adventures of the characters' high school life, from their first year all the way to their third year.

Once again, Tsundere Kagami-sama FTW! :love:

Edit: I forgot to add, LOL at Shiraishi offering chocolates to his, ahem, buddy. Wonder what he meant by "everyone has a first time"?

[bayoab]

2) 02:31-02:34

[a.f.k.] translated it as "badminton", but even the least observant can tell that Konata wasn't talking about badminton as we know it. What IS that ball game they play at New Year's?


It is basically badminton. It also goes by the name of Japanese Badminton. Wikipedia Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanetsuki)

[Kaioshin Sama]

In terms of the main story itself, it's about time we get to see the new characters in Yui-nee's little sister Yutaka and her friend Minami make their appearance next week.

All I can say is FINALLY!:D I've been waiting for the 20 foot tall loli shadow in Konata's description to make her appearance. I hope she's as amusing as I imagine her to be. I imagine her showering Big Sis Konata with adoration non stop, pratfalling, running around and then remembering she's supposed to be sick and getting all swirly eyed and *Faint*. I don't know what to expect of Minami though other than Yuki clone. That's all I'm getting from her picture and the choice of VA only strengthens this theory.

[shiro83]

The ending rocks... 'nough said... :)

[Deathkillz]

Edit: I forgot to add, LOL at Shiraishi offering chocolates to his, ahem, buddy. Wonder what he meant by "everyone has a first time"?
that guy is a random crack pot :heh: and he probably ment that with passion O.O

[AVPlaya]

It is basically badminton. It also goes by the name of Japanese Badminton. Wikipedia Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanetsuki)

I won't call it that; the game was around before badminton. Such a gaijin-centric term.

It is true that almost no one plays it anymore, since it's usually for girls and they usually have to dress formally in New Years. It's quite difficult to be very sporty in a formal kimono, and if you loose you get your face painted. there's no room in Japanese street anymore for these games. Only in the country side will you still find these traditions.

Now that English sub is out I can post some impressions... as usual I'd like to comment on the cultural stuff, rather than the otaku references most people here will eventually get.

That Husky must have some back story. I searched and searched and I can't find a site telling me the story on the dawg. Is it a seiyuu's pet or a KyoAni mascot? It's already a strange episode...

About Nana-sensei's comments... Japanese schools are only mandatory for 9 years; there's no rule where you must goto High School. Thus a school can and will kick you out based on grades, and you just won't have to school to go anymore unless you goto a crappy school or wait and take the transfer exam to another good school. Usually your life is basically ruined if you get kicked out of a good school like theirs. It's not a funny joke to most high schoolers. 3 more month refer to the Japanese school year, which ends in March/April time frame.

L*S really went hard core into Japanese culture.... mentioning things like HyakuNinIsshu, a card game based on 100 famous poems traced back to the Kamakura Era. It was being pushed as a New Year game back in Edo times to push literacy to the masses. Poems were written in short forms on cards and you have to pick it out as you hear someone recite the first part. A very high brow game for girls. A trivia... You all should thank HyakuNinIssu when you play your DS... because Nintendo got their start selling HyakuNinsshu cards.

It seemed that Miyuki has done everything under the sun. I'm thinking her family is part of the biggest Yakuza family in Japan (I guess that would be the Yamaguchi-gomi) and she's groomed to take over Japan's underworld. That's why she knows everything. That's why we have "Sailor fuku and Machine Gun" as an ED. She's the Yakuza!!!

Kagami asks - What is "腹笑い" (Hukuwarai), I believe it's a New Years game where you take a face and you scatter its features and then put them back on the face with your eyes covered to result in a silly face. Then all the kids laugh... something like that. It's funny she said "she's more Japanese than I am!?" She say that because she's a friggin miko. There are not a lot of people more Japanese than a Shinto Family.

The Card Battle was fun, but there's even deeper reference that I just have to dig up. "Semimaru" card Kona played was a real person. He's a famous biwa (Japanese lute) teacher back in the 800A.D. In the Fujiwara Era. He's also a Buddhist Master, that's why he's bald, and Kona uses his "shining attack" due to his baling head. He does have a poem (#10) in the HyakuNinsshu card collection. Talk about obscure cultural reference. No idea what the "pretty girl labu labu attack" was about though.

Omochi is good... it's okay Kagami, I forgive you. No one can resist New Year Mochi... The fresh Japanese mochi is usually made New Year's day by pounding on sticky rice in your back yard... but that's in the old days. Kona is talking about a fresh pasta making machine. They are quite popular in the US as well, and if you watch the Food Network you have seen a lot of them. And yes, if you don't clean them you get yucky pasta. Yes I did own one. I have a foody wife... but it's so beyond SAD to eat Western food during New Years... poor Kona...

I think Tsukasa is more of a MoeYouso than Miyuki. Kona has bad taste. Miyuki is more creepy than moe. Her first dream shows that she's a power-hungry YaShinKa with evil ambition! Yakuza I tell ya!

First Dream... soooo many Japanese believe in the first dream. This very Japanese tradition... it's not found anywhere else in Asia. Azumanga just touched upon it, but L*S seemed very determined to educate otaku on the Japanese tradition they've forsaken (and to each a thing or two to fansub-watching gajins!)

Why are they girls talking about Adult Ceremony at 17? It's 3 years away for them. Furisoude? Okay "Furisoude" is a special kind of kimono reserved for unmarried women. It has very long sleeves which you can wave, which is what furisoude mean, "waving sleeve". There are 3 types of furisoude, the long one you can only wear during wedding, the medium one for very important occasions such as Adult Ceremony, and short one you wear to parties. Married woman can't wear these, so a furisoude for your wedding and adult ceremony is VERY important to a Japanese woman. I think this is another "things male otaku don't have a slightest clue about" Lucky Star so love to discuss.

Then we have kotatsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kotatsu) talk... it's so sweet Kona and Kona-dad felt asleep playing PS2 together... Kotatsu is not that great.. your hands and feet are warm but your BACK IS FRIGGING COLD!

In-Game marriage is very popular in Asian MMORPGs. Many games are famous for their weddings, and use it to attract players. And the sex of the people getting married is often irrelevant.

I thought Kona hates gaijin... she attacked one without a good reason neh... now she wants to come to gaijin-land... with a erroneous view on valentine's day in the USA. Kona-chan, Miyuki is wrong. Guys may give you chocolate if they want to date you, but you look like jail-bait to the gaijinese so not a single guy will give you candy, save maybe your ESL teacher. And girls don't give candy to everyone like they do in Japan... Japanese girls are way more generous on giving candy to loved ones than the girls here. And what's with this strange notion of small-chested girls' popularity in the West? What kind of American porn has she been watching? Flat chested girls are WAY WAY WAY WAY more popular in Japan. Kona, if you're raised here, they'll probably send you to medical treatment due to your size.

Reference: I think "Abunai Hatsugen Kinshi" is kind of a reference to ARIA's AIKA who love to say "Hazugashii Serifu Kinshi!"? Well, it's kinda close. And I love ARIA, so I hope it is.

I think Kagami and Kona are really a Yuri couple. Kagami was blushing... oh my.... chou kawai... I love me some of that, eh, hmm. nevermind. After that scene where Kagami-sama gave the choco to the faceless boy, I thought the next scene should be Kona going all Hotoko no Ken on that boy's ass.... wuwuwuwu... I want Kagamin's chocolate...

Coffee talk about "test"... Japanese college entrance exams are college specific. Meaning, if you want to goto a certain U like Todai, you have to take a Todai test, and only to a certain major of your choice. So basically every HS senior has to know exact what he or she want for a career WHEN they're a junior so they can prepare. Many opt just go start working instead.

I love Animate Tenchou... he's so bad-ass. Densetsu no Shoujo A.... hahaha... BTW, Shoujo A was the nickname for Akina Nakamori, a famous 80's pop idol. An obscure reference? The seiyuu for the female animate employee are seiyuu for Keroro Gunso I'm sure. I LOVE the "Emperial March"-like music during the Shoujo A operation. One single Star War reference.... is that the first? The Tencho's eye thing... it's from an old anime.. but I don't remember which one... the Tencho just reminded me of Gatchaman though. Dunno why. I'm sure the otaku-sama here and around the web would know. I know you'll be back, Tencho-sama. You will be a winner one day!

The way Akira-sama touches her "drill" is just tooooooooooooooooo eroero... :heh:

How did the voting get to be so that Konata is both 3rd and 9th? Write-in vote? But Happy Happy Joy! Shiraishi won! My vote counted! Yay! Y^_^

And the ED... WAWWAwasuremono... ore no wasuremono.... I have tears in my eyes... He's really milking that Haruhi cameo isn't he. But he's the only seiyuu with his own anime character. He owns now.

Boy that was long... but I must say one more thing.. I am SO HAPPY THIS IS NOT THE LAST EPISODE. I really thought L*S is 13 ep deal... but there's more! More obscure Japanese references for me to dig in! More Koshien Baseball to keep track! Yay!

[superzombie23]

Amazing episode! Was very funny I thought.

[Lunariska]

i just watched thr afk release and i was like, being shot down, when anime tenchou used Geass on Konata. it was just like "WTF, where is C.C.?"
and the ending.. wtf was that? i felt kinda like skipping it..

[Tatsumiko]

This ep was the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Konata making the Yugioh reference was too COOL !!!! XDD
Code geass part was awesome!!!!! XD
The valentine part was sooo cute !!!!X3

and the ending rocked !!!! XD

[Konata-chan]

How did the voting get to be so that Konata is both 3rd and 9th? Write-in vote? But Happy Happy Joy! Shiraishi won! My vote counted! Yay! Y^_^
Yay!

The person in 9th place is actually Konata's mom, Kanata. I dunno how dead people could participate, but oh well :heh:

[Mizuno]

That ending was probably the worst anime ED I've ever seen.

[Hyperius]

I thought the episode in all was good, but by no means great. It had it's moments, but I wasn't too impressed. Still had funny moments though.

Did anyone else notice Tsukasa's blank face for like, the first half of the show?

Also, I liked the ED. A lot. It was simply supposed to be a "WTF?" moment. Which worked wonders when watching it at 1 in the morning.

So, I'd give it a 7/10.

[angel_wing0]

the subs are up, but seems like scary water is down...:(

[Fat Cat Lim]

Anyone catch what Konata mumbled as Kagami pondered about her future jobs? Looks like a.f.k. couldn't get what she said after the novel writer part.

Thought they could have left the picture of Minoru's dog in the sponsor shoutout at the beginning and end of the episode alone. Thought it was a nice easter egg.

[Claies]

That ED is...unexpected and freaking epic. It's in a very Asian mode of humor (onscreen text, frequent screen cuts, scene repeats), so I can understand the Westerners finding it fall flat and looking more like an amateur youtube piece. However, that's just how Asians do it. However, even I thought the 2ch was flying off scale. The faces streaming by the Valentine's scene was uncalled for.

I'm sorry, I found Konata sleeping under the kokatsu cuter than her uguu.

Now, now, I know I really laughed at Yugioh, but I never thought they'd sink that low in references. They might as well pull Pokemon somewhere.

I don't think Shirashi actually confessed to the red-haired guy. Shirashi: "This is my first time." Red-haired guy: "The first time's most important." I think the red-haired guy is only helping him prepare for the actual girl.

Questions:
What's with the extreme closeness when the characters board the bus, zooming in on Kagami shuffling into her seat?

I can't believe I fell for that Tsundere scene. TWICE (manga AND anime). Does anybody here get excited when Lucky Star is depicted in a more serious style (like that Tsundere scene and Anime Tencho controlling Konata)? I hope I'm not alone on this.

[Vexx]

I'd say the close up shots give a feel of "reality" to the girls. Not really sensual but just a feeling of reality focusing on small movements.

[Risaa]

miyuki eating rice cakes and them going "unyuuu" (my god hina :heh:) and the random uguu by kona...One unyuu excites me more than any amount of uguu! Bring in the unyuu and the flower hamburgers, please!

Guys may give you chocolate if they want to date you, but you look like jail-bait to the gaijinese so not a single guy will give you candy, save maybe your ESL teacher. And girls don't give candy to everyone like they do in Japan... Japanese girls are way more generous on giving candy to loved ones than the girls here.Really? I give choco to *all* my friends... Come to think of it, I've never received anything from guy, whether he be a friend or not. Does looking like "jailbait" to guys (my gosh, I really hope you all don't look at a small girl and immediately think "jailbait" about her) make her unattractive?

[Anh_Minh]

Personally, I like petite women.

But Konata's not just short, she's also underdeveloped. No breasts, no hips, she looks like she hasn't hit puberty yet. So yeah, she looks more like my ideal daughter than my ideal girlfriend.

[Deathkillz]

One unyuu excites me more than any amount of uguu! Bring in the unyuu and the flower hamburgers, please!

Really? I give choco to *all* my friends... Come to think of it, I've never received anything from guy, whether he be a friend or not. Does looking like "jailbait" to guys (my gosh, I really hope you all don't look at a small girl and immediately think "jailbait" about her) make her unattractive?
oh yes the unyuu :) and while they are at it they should be throwing some tearful tantrums as well ~

and it depends on where you are in the world i guess...while here you wouldnt normally give chocolates/candy to anyone for no good reason...the odd time or two it does happen between close friends but people would rather be selfish around here O.O
Personally, I like petite women.

But Konata's not just short, she's also underdeveloped. No breasts, no hips, she looks like she hasn't hit puberty yet. So yeah, she looks more like my ideal daughter than my ideal girlfriend.
and what a great daughter that would be :3 how i envy her relationship with her dad ^.^

[AVPlaya]

The person in 9th place is actually Konata's mom, Kanata. I dunno how dead people could participate, but oh well :heh:

Ah, it's KANATA... should have read more carefully... Need more sleep...

Really? I give choco to *all* my friends... Come to think of it, I've never received anything from guy, whether he be a friend or not. Does looking like "jailbait" to guys (my gosh, I really hope you all don't look at a small girl and immediately think "jailbait" about her) make her unattractive?

Rissa-chan... it's probably its because you're more Asian than American. :) I may exaggerate at jailbait part, but none of your average her age gaijin-sans will even think about dating her. Okay maybe a 6 grader. I mean, she looked tiny and young by Japanese standard. Her body hasn't changed since she was 11 or 12. The thing is girls like that are usually, eh, Chiyo-like and cute as a button. Guys here date more for hotness than cuteness in the first place, and Kona-chan is not at all cute. She's a karate-black belt (maybe) who enjoy eroge and cosplay-rape doujin. I'm pretty sure you're nothing like that. :)

That ED is...unexpected and freaking epic. It's in a very Asian mode of humor (onscreen text, frequent screen cuts, scene repeats), so I can understand the Westerners finding it fall flat and looking more like an amateur youtube piece. [...]

the ED is a parody of an Enka Music Video out of all things. Enka MVs are usually made for karaoke only and are often cheaply made with only the singer just standing in some impressive back-drop singing with big emo. Just like Shiraishi. It's not just very Asian, it's very very Japanese, and you have to spend sometime in a karaoke with dudes over 40 to even get this as a Japanese. The flying text is a paody of nicovideo online video site. The users gets to comment on the video ITSELF and design where and when the text pops up. It's mostly very annoying although sometimes funny. Thank goodness you can turn it off.

Now, now, I know I really laughed at Yugioh, but I never thought they'd sink that low in references. They might as well pull Pokemon somewhere.

Since they've pulled a Hyakuninsshu reference so obscure you have to be really paying attention in HS Japanese history classes in a Japanese HS to know it, I'd figure they've balanced it out.

Questions:
What's with the extreme closeness when the characters board the bus, zooming in on Kagami shuffling into her seat?

I think it's the director trying to practice dramatic camera placement for his live-action movie/dorama career. :)

I can't believe I fell for that Tsundere scene. TWICE (manga AND anime). Does anybody here get excited when Lucky Star is depicted in a more serious style (like that Tsundere scene and Anime Tencho controlling Konata)? I hope I'm not alone on this.

Serious? I won't call it that but I am super excited when these scenes appear. The Tenchou is so full of shonen youthful fire that you just root for him to win (come on Shoujo A, buy something at the poor guy's crappy store!) and Anything with Kagamin blushing is win win win.

[nanafan]

that episode was hilarious. i saw a vid of the ed before i saw ep 13. hilarious..reminds me of the vid where taniguichi invades lucky star. konata imagining kagami giving chocolate to a guy was hilarious.. i don't know if kagami would act like that, she might. tsukasa did have a strange expression for half of the show.

[Claies]

Does looking like "jailbait" to guys (my gosh, I really hope you all don't look at a small girl and immediately think "jailbait" about her) make her unattractive?

No. Well...that's how Westerners think, and I'm not one. Actually, the female adjective "hot" has absolutely no effect on me, and I find that a turnoff (I usually associate "hot" with the word "dirty", and I don't value that). "Cute" or "petite", though...is another story.

the ED is a parody of an Enka Music Video out of all things. Enka MVs are usually made for karaoke only and are often cheaply made with only the singer just standing in some impressive back-drop singing with big emo. Just like Shiraishi. It's not just very Asian, it's very very Japanese, and you have to spend sometime in a karaoke with dudes over 40 to even get this as a Japanese. The flying text is a paody of nicovideo online video site. The users gets to comment on the video ITSELF and design where and when the text pops up. It's mostly very annoying although sometimes funny. Thank goodness you can turn it off.
Come to think of it, I've seen those. I thought it's in an Asian mood of humor because of all that onscreen text illustrating/making fun of what the actors might be secretly thinking, arrows making jokes at actors, and repeating the same scene emphasizing physical comedy (falling, getting hit, etc.)...you only see these in Asian game/comedy shows. Western shows tend to keep as little text onscreen as possible.

Serious? I won't call it that but I am super excited when these scenes appear. The Tenchou is so full of shonen youthful fire that you just root for him to win (come on Shoujo A, buy something at the poor guy's crappy store!) and Anything with Kagamin blushing is win win win.
Sorry, I was talking about these scenes:
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5426/vlcsnap1119556ll6.th.png (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1119556ll6.png)<-- Shojo romance-type scene
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3172/vlcsnap1119849rc8.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1119849rc8.png)http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2011/vlcsnap1120110np2.th.png (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1120110np2.png)<-- Seinen, Horror, Thriller, i.e. Higurashi and Death Note

[AVPlaya]

Come to think of it, I've seen those. I thought it's in an Asian mood of humor because of all that onscreen text illustrating/making fun of what the actors might be secretly thinking, arrows making jokes at actors, and repeating the same scene emphasizing physical comedy (falling, getting hit, etc.)...you only see these in Asian game/comedy shows. Western shows tend to keep as little text onscreen as possible.

Ah, I see. You are right, ever single variety show will have the on screen texts. The Japanese variety shows started this trend now every Taiwanese and Korean shows are using it too. In this particular case, nikoniko is what they're laughing at, and guess what, nicovideo users laughs right back. This is NikoNiko version of the ED - with actual nico video comments flying across the screen:

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Sorry, I was talking about these scenes:
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5426/vlcsnap1119556ll6.th.png (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1119556ll6.png)<-- Shojo romance-type scene
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3172/vlcsnap1119849rc8.th.png (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1119849rc8.png)http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2011/vlcsnap1120110np2.th.png (http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap1120110np2.png)<-- Seinen, Horror, Thriller, i.e. Higurashi and Death Note

Oh THAT serious... sorry I never saw it like that so those moments are just LOL parody gems for me. :)

[Conan-san]

The ED, did the encoder accidently cross the streams and got [Adult Swim] or something?

[Klashikari]

Late... scarywater was dead, so... were checking on my MSN contacts fi anyone had the torrent :heh:

Well then, i tried to not spoil myself, especially that the last week was really overkill.
FOOD topic is back ! and this time, it was much more interesting, and catchy.
Yu-gi-oh reference caught me offguard. Too bad she wasn't doing some completely nuts move with the card like Kaiba, going completely and stupidely serious with *STEEL HARD and KNIFE SHARP" Blue-Eyes White Dragon card ! (those who have read Battle City arc, Yugi VS jono understand pretty well what i'm saying :heh:)
Konata speeche about pasta and pizza cracked me up, especially when she was thinking earlier about miyuki "more japanase than me!?". sounds like it isn't that hard, kona-chan :heh:
Uguu... roflmao :D When i saw her expression and the wings, i was like "no way?!"... 3 seconds later : she said it !
Interesting chat about the "first dream" folklore. I'm still as clueless as konata about this : how it is supposed to be "good" to have dreamed about...a giant rock, a birdie, and a vegetable? ^^"
The pace unfortunately slowed down a lot at this point (Yui and the bus) but...
Valentine just kick in! Priceless kagamin faces and Tsun MEGA dere. (konata... i would like... more fantasy like this...). Big LOL for the mention of "lolies" being crazily popular in western
Anime Tenchou... i can't deny I was hoping for this (not every episode, but well *__* ). Finally more encounter with "Legendary Girl A". The amount of references killed me (sergent gero/Code Geass Diethard, being completely emo and crazy, with Seki, as enraged as usual were priceless). FEINT !! and the "hopeless battle from the very beginning" caught me offguard. "We will be back!" : Any time, sousuke !
LC... okay, akira having a drill fetishism... Shiraishi first in the popular contest didn't surprise me at all, and i was really expecting some popularity wars on the go. Too bad, most likely for next weekThe first part of LS was extremely fast to me, i enjoyed this pace, and the amount of punchlines going nuts. Kyo-chan had numerous delightful faces, and her Valentine moment was great.
Anime tenchou is just gold... i would like to see him, assaulting kagami, and converting into mad otaku fest, while konata wasn't able to do so. Geass reference finished me off :heh:
This episode, much like last week, almost made me laugh as much as a Seto no Hanayome episode... ownage ^^

it lacked something compared to 6,10 and 12, but still, a 10.

[Dop]

Wawawawasuremono has to be even more bizarre a sequence than the live-action opening titles from Puni Puni Poemy. Although I hope it's a one-off!

I think the 'Uguu' was eclipsed by the 'Megas smoked cheese nyoro', though.

[Sorrow-K]

That ED is...unexpected and freaking epic. It's in a very Asian mode of humor (onscreen text, frequent screen cuts, scene repeats), so I can understand the Westerners finding it fall flat and looking more like an amateur youtube piece. However, that's just how Asians do it. However, even I thought the 2ch was flying off scale. The faces streaming by the Valentine's scene was uncalled for.I kinda liked it, but I dig that sort of humour. It proves that Asian people understand camp.

As for the rest of this ep, very standard LS ep, ie, hit-and-miss again. I got particular laughs from Konata describing Kagami's routine during her days off that caused her to gain weight. On the flip side, the Anime Tenchou jokes really aren't funny anymore. They're starting to become as annoying and repetitive as Lucky Channel.

[bayoab]

Now, now, I know I really laughed at Yugioh, but I never thought they'd sink that low in references. They might as well pull Pokemon somewhere.They already did during the festival. Kagami's "getto daze".

[TurinTurambar200]

Questions:
What's with the extreme closeness when the characters board the bus, zooming in on Kagami shuffling into her seat?

Its a reference to Tsukasa and Konata's conversation regarding the cold. The hand its rotating so that both sides face the heater, sitting on them to warm it up, etc.

[Claies]

They already did during the festival. Kagami's "getto daze".

*facepalm*

Yes...they did.

Someday, we'll start a list of all the shows this series has mentioned. It should be pretty long.

[Vexx]

Rissa-chan... it's probably its because you're more Asian than American. :) I may exaggerate at jailbait part, but none of your average her age gaijin-sans will even think about dating her. Okay maybe a 6 grader. I mean, she looked tiny and young by Japanese standard. Her body hasn't changed since she was 11 or 12. The thing is girls like that are usually, eh, Chiyo-like and cute as a button. Guys here date more for hotness than cuteness in the first place, and Kona-chan is not at all cute. She's a karate-black belt (maybe) who enjoy eroge and cosplay-rape doujin. I'm pretty sure you're nothing like that. :)


hmmm, I think you're engaging in some overly sweeping generalizations there.

"none of your average" .... "guys here date more for hotness" .... yeah, there's a segment of the population that thinks like that... but plenty of people here don't care for those guys either :P There are plenty of other population segments that behave in other ways.

You're also talking to someone who *lives* in America so that's kind of odd telling her what it is like where she lives :) America is a bit too diverse and prone to toss tradition to assume very much about attitudes and behaviors (not that it doesn't stop people from believing stereotypes).

A number of people may also dispute the assessment of Kona not being "cute" for those reasons. "cute" allows for a lot of latitude :)

[Dark Wing]

Typing while I watch this episode.

Kona-chan poking fun at Kagami's obsession with her weight is always good for a laugh. lol

Okay the Yu-gi-oh! reference kind of caught me off guard. Totally didn't see that coming...Hmmm...I wonder what Kona-chan's deck would be like?

I can't help but to laugh at Miyuki being more Japanese then shrine maiden.

Once again I can't even begin to imagine how Yui became a cop....-_-;

lol the whole Valentines Day sequence was gold. Kona-chan talking about giving chocolate to her "bride" in an online game which turns out to be a guy playing with a female character. Is it me or did it seem like Kagami was starting to freak out at the idea of Kona-chan giving chocolate to someone.:heh:

Kona-chan telling Tsukasa not to give boys friendship chocolate because they'd get the wrong idea was good. Also notice that later on when Tsukasa said she gave chocolates to everyone she cared for two guys were blushing in the background and he says that was my first time...:twitch:

Oh so Kagami gave her chocolate to Kona-chan. :heehee: the Yuri-ism is strong in this episode. I mean the look on Konata's face was priceless and loved her line after that.

"Kagami looking like she's good at everything when she actually sucks so she secretly works hard turns me on."

I know it doesn't sound very romantic but love is there...I guess.:heh:

rofl the scene where Kona wants to go over seas because it means she'd chocolate from people both genders was great and what was she about to say about cut little girls in foreign countries before Kagami stoped her? I mean I half a pretty good idea but just want to know if anyone else got it.:heh:

the conversation at the restaurant about Kona's cousin I can't help but have a feel of dread that Akira-sama will be showing up soon.:heh:

Kagami trying to picture what kind of career Kona would be good at notice all of them are her sitting in front of a computer becuase they'll all have the same result. lol

lmao oh god the shounen shop keeper are back in full swing. Kona beware they've got...Geass!?:twitch:

now at lucky channel and...OMG O.O Akira-sama with dill hair pieces!...I don't know if I should be heart warmed you disturbed.:rolleyes: Yay-ness Konata gets her own figure poor Akira comes up short again.:heh:

Wow the ending did suck...I guess they ran out of Karaoke jokes or something.:twitch:

[Risaa]

I wish I could +rep you, Vexx... You make so many darn good posts, IMO. (Actually the problem lies in that I don't +rep people nearly enough. *hides*) ...For the record, I think Kona is cute physically and personality-wise... she just happens to engage in non-cute activities.

Okay the Yu-gi-oh! reference kind of caught me off guard. Totally didn't see that coming...Hmmm...I wonder what Kona-chan's deck would be like?It would be the most awesome deck ever with all the incredibly rare holographic cards. Yes, it'd be so shiny that she'd blind the opponent before they'd ever have a chance to move. :O

Besides, I could see Kona blowing all sorts of money on the *best* collectors cards, buying at least three of each; one for playing with, one for occasionally looking at, and one tucked away never to see the light of day (for fear of fading ne).

Edit: I can't wait for Ponytail Day to be over so I can change my ava back. It keeps freaking me out - when I post, I think someone slipped in a second before my post and I look desperately around for my starey-face Kona ava.

[Claies]

It would be the most awesome deck ever with all the incredibly rare holographic cards. Yes, it'd be so shiny that she'd blind the opponent before they'd ever have a chance to move. :O

Besides, I could see Kona blowing all sorts of money on the *best* collectors cards, buying at least three of each; one for playing with, one for occasionally looking at, and one tucked away never to see the light of day (for fear of fading ne).
Meaning she won't even play with them. YuGiOh fans shall cry.
*Face remains unchanged*

I doubt she engages in trading cards...they're a bit too low in the otaku ladder for her. I guess we'll never know.

[nanafan]

i didn't catch some of the references in this episode but i did catch the uguu. i still think konata's imagination is hilarious.

[arias]

hmmm, I think you're engaging in some overly sweeping generalizations there.

"none of your average" .... "guys here date more for hotness" .... yeah, there's a segment of the population that thinks like that... but plenty of people here don't care for those guys either :P There are plenty of other population segments that behave in other ways.

Well, the stereotypes exist for a reason. No one should be saying "all American men are xxx" (except if it's a tautological 'xxx') but language and description demands some level of generalization. It's also naive to think that stereotypes have no effect on behavior - of course it does. The stereotypical characters in American media be it TV, movies, songs, books and so forth form psychological models and make implicit shapings of American culture to its image. Teens lean towards doing what teens on TV do, or what other teens do, because that seems like the prototypical behavior for them. I have ample evidence of psychological mechanisms in the current literature to back up my general claims but to be honest, I'm too lazy.

As a person from Asia and living in North America now, I agree that sweeping stereotypes is probably a mistake. But there is a difference in character of the general population, and the sort of attitude that the previous poster was pointing to is not at all wrong in my opinion.


But I seriously disagree with him/her that Kona is not cute :frustrated: I soo want a daughter like her, it's not funny.

[AVPlaya]

hmmm, I think you're engaging in some overly sweeping generalizations there.

Yeah I was... don't mind me, I didn't sleep last night working on a project so don't take it too seriously. :)

But I seriously disagree with him/her that Kona is not cute :frustrated: I soo want a daughter like her, it's not funny.

Hahaha, yeah I kinda do too... but I'm not otaku enough to be her dad. :) I think cuteness has various definition here and I was refering the kind of cuteness where you want to date the girl, the typical "kawai" when talking about a Japanese girl. Many guys in Asia would date a girl purely on cuteness.... Kona's is not really that kind of cute. But cute as a child (okay a weird child), hell yeah.

I always thought Kona to be a super daughter. I really think she became an otaku, consciously or sub-consciously, to be just like her daddy or to be her dad's best buddy. I mean, this creepy dude was there checking out his daughter's teenage friends in miko outfits, and she's there cheering him on. You can't ask for a better child. :)

[a hobbit]

I absolutely agree that someone can completely enjoy this show without getting all the references. I'm sure I only catch a few of them but each episode still makes me lol irl at one point or another.

As for the actual episode, I really liked the valentines part, and tsundere kagami was sooooooo cute, and i was actually afraid it was real at first =P

[AVPlaya]

Kona's Miko-Okashi Rap:

「巫女・おせち・巫女・お雑煮・巫女・
おかし・おかし・おかし・おかし・巫女・おかし」

Miko * Osechi (http://allabout.co.jp/special/osechi/) * Miko * Ozouni (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9B%91%E7%85%AE) * Miko
Okashi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_snack_food) * Okashi * Okashi * Okashi * Miko * Okashi


Translation:

"Miko * New Year's Food * Miko * A Mochi Soup Dish * Miko
Candy * Candy * Candy * Candy * Miko * Candy"

What a lovely little rap from an otaku-child to her tsundere love-interest.

Although Okashi can be just meant as snack foods, to me okashi means mostly sweets.

[Vexx]

Mmmmmm, Ozouni ..... we have that every New Year's (along with a serving of the obligatory black-eyed peas in deference to our Texas heritage - hint, add jalapeno pepper bits, tabasco, a bit of garlic, and salt to the peas).

Loved her little song-chant though... hell, loved most of the episode.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I've added the summary to my blog, and yes unfortunately that is the real rating for the episode for me in the poll box. Did not like this episode at all. In fact I rather loathed it as I lay out in my blog post.

Despite this, I still hope for the best in the next episode which should introduce Konata's cousin and hopefully breath new life into the series. As such I'll continue to stick with this series through thick and thin.

[Mirrinus]

Rissa-chan... it's probably its because you're more Asian than American. :) I may exaggerate at jailbait part, but none of your average her age gaijin-sans will even think about dating her. Okay maybe a 6 grader. I mean, she looked tiny and young by Japanese standard. Her body hasn't changed since she was 11 or 12. The thing is girls like that are usually, eh, Chiyo-like and cute as a button. Guys here date more for hotness than cuteness in the first place, and Kona-chan is not at all cute. She's a karate-black belt (maybe) who enjoy eroge and cosplay-rape doujin. I'm pretty sure you're nothing like that. :)

It might be because I'm more Asian than American...but what exactly is wrong with that again? ^_^

[Karnot]

Kotatsu is not that great.. your hands and feet are warm but your BACK IS FRIGGING COLD!
Speaking of that, dont you people ever wonder, how in anime characters sleep with only a smaaaaaal blanket on their stomach ? Shouldnt they catch cold, like, every week ?
As i understand, in reality most of japanese people use "normal" beds and normal-sized blankets.

[Zero Ska]

I love all of the Keroro References. 'Specially towards the end.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Kona's Miko-Okashi Rap:..."Miko * Osechi * Miko * Ozouni * Miko Okashi * Okashi * Okashi * Okashi * Miko * Okashi"....I wonder if this was another ad lib? Or is it in the manga?

[Vexx]

I believe it is anime-only ... but let me check my notes..... :) I should note that I'm not automatically disliking "anime-only" material .... but I'd prefer it to focus on Lucky*Star and not other random products or non-L*S. In other words, if I wanted to watch a different series, I would :)

[AVPlaya]

Speaking of that, dont you people ever wonder, how in anime characters sleep with only a smaaaaaal blanket on their stomach ? Shouldnt they catch cold, like, every week ?
As i understand, in reality most of japanese people use "normal" beds and normal-sized blankets.

it depends on the room. Most westernized houses has normal beds.

In a Japanese style house or room, there's are no beds, but the floor is made from a straw mat called tatami. if it's summer and you sleep on a tatami, then a small blanket maybe enough. In the winter they would put these huge cotton "blankets" on top of the tatami and put another identical one on top of you. It's SUPER warm and comfy... you'd never want to get out from under such blanket... it' heavy and cozy. Sigh, I can never find one in the US...

Questions:
What's with the extreme closeness when the characters board the bus, zooming in on Kagami shuffling into her seat?

Actually I've just re-watched the entire Haruhi run with my wife this weekend (Lucky Star introduced her to Haruhi, imagine that) and I realized that these camera technique was everywhere in Haruhi. I think it's just a parody of the Haruhi's cinematography. Upon second viewing I can say that Haruhi's got a storyboard which rivals hollywood movies. It's a good self-parody from KyoAni, and maybe some in-jokes involving specific director which a more advanced otaku would know about.

[Vexx]

A lot of japanese don't use the "western style bedrooms" because they waste so much space. Living quarters tend to run quite small.... really small.

Like AVPlaya says, a properly made futon-bed on a tatami mat is really a great thing. And when you put them away, there's all this extra usable space.

There was a period in the 90s where Japanese went nutso over "things Western" to the point of a lot of japanese furniture and antiques became cheap to acquire here in the States. But there's been a trend in the last few years to return to the traditional stuff because.... it really just works better.

[AVPlaya]

A lot of japanese don't use the "western style bedrooms" because they waste so much space. Living quarters tend to run quite small.... really small.

Like AVPlaya says, a properly made futon-bed on a tatami mat is really a great thing. And when you put them away, there's all this extra usable space.

There was a period in the 90s where Japanese went nutso over "things Western" to the point of a lot of japanese furniture and antiques became cheap to acquire here in the States. But there's been a trend in the last few years to return to the traditional stuff because.... it really just works better.

Vexx-sama, I just realized that the word futon is now part of the English language and I was thinking about ways to describe it. :) baga no ore..

I love how functional Japanese rooms are; they can be turned into any function in minutes. It's love it how everyday western bed rooms like Kona's have western beds but still have the traditional Japanese low table, and everyone still sits on the floor. If I'm loaded enough in the future I will turn one of my rooms into a Japanese room. However, I don't think it's easy to find the supplies or the labor.

[Risaa]

I don't want to get too off-topic, but you guys are tempting me too much. :p
It's love it how everyday western bed rooms like Kona's have western beds but still have the traditional Japanese low table, and everyone still sits on the floor. If I'm loaded enough in the future I will turn one of my rooms into a Japanese room. However, I don't think it's easy to find the supplies or the labor.
My home contains a mixture of Western and Korean furnature in it. Every meal is eaten on a decorated low-to-the-ground table (no chairs - we sit on the floor), and we sleep on the floor, just as I always do while visiting Korea (although ever since there was that special on air-mattresses, it hasn't been just a blanket between me and floor :p ). There are various Korean (and noticeably Eastern-Asian in style) dressers, side-tables, an armoire, a hutch, lamps, etc... and little decorations as well, figurines and dolls..

It's really not terribly different than my cousins' apartments in Korea, though they prefer to sleep on a western-style bed and eat at a table with chairs. Ah, but I really like their fridge/freezer designed *especially* for keeping kimchi in.

if it's summer and you sleep on a tatami, then a small blanket maybe enough. It depends on the area, but omg, a small blanket may make you break out in a sweat in the summertime. It's so humid!!

[Karnot]

It depends on the area, but omg, a small blanket may make you break out in a sweat in the summertime.
That means there are even more chances to catch cold. Seriously, i thought it is pretty much _instinctive_ to cover one's legs first, not stomach. You have lots of internal organs in the stomach, it will be warm anyway. Legs wont.

[kenjiharima]

Just saw the subs and what a LOL!!!

I love the way Techno and the Sgt.Frog cast tired to reel in the Legendary A.Girl into buying some anime stuff from Gamers. Gave it a 10 for that. They should include hot blood segements like that it's so funny especially when you blend LS characters to non-looking LS crazy!!! I also noticed when Techno hypnotized Konata ala Code Geass she looked like Shion from Hagurishi naKokoroni.

About the Live Minoru...well imho the girls are not mad their laughing their heart out LOL turn the camera and you'll see :heh: Maybe that could mean a L.A. in the future? Maybe... ???

[Skane]

The following is based on [a.f.k.]'s fansub.

Random Thoughts On Ep13:
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The episode starts off with more comedic dynamics between Kagami and Konata. A routine that has never failed to please. There is just something that is very engaging about watching the two of them duke it out with each other in a battle of wits and ribs.

The... deviant in me suggests that it might be the Yuri-innuendos that make it so appealing, but the critic in me says it is something else (especially since I am not really an ardent fan of Yuri). An element that is currently intangible to me.
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The scene of Kagami slumping onto her desk ([02:05]) puzzled me at first because there was just something off about it, and it took repeated rewinds before I realised what was so "different" about it.

KyoAni actually went the extra mile to animate the folds and creases of her uniform as she slumped onto her desk. This is a level above the norm and something that can be considered to be intricate (but not mind-blowing).

It is nevertheless, in stark contrast to the rest of the "standard-fare" where the uniform sections are more or less solid blocks that do not fold or crease as they move their limbs about.
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Did anybody else find it facepalmingly-ironic that [a.f.k.] chose to translate the Japanese game of "Paste-The-Face" as "Pin-The-Donkey's-Tail" when Miyuki mentions mere moments later that her family does not play Western games but more traditional Japanese ones during New Year?

The level of irony is almost as bad as the following image-
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/poster97108850d79.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/poster97108850d79.jpg)

For the love of context! Please either use the proper terms and let the viewer do some research on the terms, or use footnotes. You have already shown that you are not completely adverse to the usage of footnotes, so please do not make a mockery out of the context unnecessarily. :(
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Kagami being all dere-dere over food... Words fail me to describe the scene adequately.
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Tsukasa's solitary line at [05:45] just tickles me for some reason.
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Miyuki's dream interpretation can also be used as a metaphor for her current status in the anime. :heh: She might be aiming for more screentime and a bigger presence in the casting. :heh:
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Kagami's verbal barbs towards Konata continue to be golden.
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I will never understand KyoAni's choice of budget allocation in Lucky Star. The bus scene where they were talking about the Kotatsu was simply overkill. Additionally, I hope I am not the only one who noticed that this episode was very, very minimalistic and very, very budget compared to the usual fare by KyoAni.

There were a lot of static frames, static backgrounds, static layers, 1-colour backgrounds, etc... At times, it felt as though I was watching the TV-broadcast of Hidamari Sketch. :heh:

It was not so apparent in the fansub since I was devoting a lot of attention to reading and comprehending the subtitles, but it was painfully obvious when I watching the RAW. This might be KyoAni's lowest budget episode ever, or at least it looks like it is.
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Kagami's various facial expressions during Konata's disclosure about her Valentine's chocolates were a hoot to watch. Especially when Kagami decided to go for the "Oh Whatever" choice and accept bliss in acceptance. :heh:
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Coy insertion of chords from one of Fumoffu's more memorable BGMs is a definite plus in my books.
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There has been a lot of discussion of the ANIMATE scene already, so I will just state one word to convey my thoughts about it.

INTENSE.

Cheers.

[Claies]

Did anybody else find it facepalmingly-ironic that [a.f.k.] chose to translate the Japanese game of "Paste-The-Face" as "Pin-The-Donkey's-Tail" when Miyuki mentions mere moments later that her family does not play Western games but more traditional Japanese ones during New Year?

The level of irony is almost as bad as the following image-
http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/poster97108850d79.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/poster97108850d79.jpg)

For the love of context! Please either use the proper terms and let the viewer do some research on the terms, or use footnotes. You have already shown that you are not completely adverse to the usage of footnotes, so please do not make a mockery out of the context unnecessarily. :(
And continuing your analogy, I resemble the normal American in which I completely lost what paste-the-face is. I thought it was just Miyuki going off-trail and stating pin-the-donkey's-tail, since Konata later questioned it.

Tsukasa's solitary line at [05:45] just tickles me for some reason.
Rice cake goes whee!

I love her submarining sniper lines.

I will never understand KyoAni's choice of budget allocation in Lucky Star. The bus scene where they were talking about the Kotatsu was simply overkill. Additionally, I hope I am not the only one who noticed that this episode was very, very minimalistic and very, very budget compared to the usual fare by KyoAni.

There were a lot of static frames, static backgrounds, static layers, 1-colour backgrounds, etc... At times, it felt as though I was watching the TV-broadcast of Hidamari Sketch. :heh:

It was not so apparent in the fansub since I was devoting a lot of attention to reading and comprehending the subtitles, but it was painfully obvious when I watching the RAW. This might be KyoAni's lowest budget episode ever, or at least it looks like it is.
They might be saving up for another glamour sequence. Lets check the list over...
Episode 6 - Completely 3D Initial D racing
Episode 10 - Anime Tencho Team's first appearance
Episode 12 - Tomokazu vs. Tomokazu

So I won't be surprised that they'd be saving up for another in the near future. They must have noticed how the Initial D gig drew in the laughs.

[Vexx]

The following is based on [a.f.k.]'s fansub.

Random Thoughts On Ep13:
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The episode starts off with more comedic dynamics between Kagami and Konata. A routine that has never failed to please. There is just something that is very engaging about watching the two of them duke it out with each other in a battle of wits and ribs.

The... deviant in me suggests that it might be the Yuri-innuendos that make it so appealing, but the critic in me says it is something else (especially since I am not really an ardent fan of Yuri). An element that is currently intangible to me. To date, I've thought the element was just that societally perfect comic duo effect (japanese or american). The timing is so snappy. They're not average girls - they sound more like the girls on the high school debate team I act as 'team-dad' for.

Did anybody else find it facepalmingly-ironic that [a.f.k.] chose to translate the Japanese game of "Paste-The-Face" as "Pin-The-Donkey's-Tail" when Miyuki mentions mere moments later that her family does not play Western games but more traditional Japanese ones during New Year?

For the love of context! Please either use the proper terms and let the viewer do some research on the terms, or use footnotes. You have already shown that you are not completely adverse to the usage of footnotes, so please do not make a mockery out of the context unnecessarily. :( And that's a classic reason why over-localization bites your ass when using it to translate intrinsically foreign concepts. It's why though I'll download them just to keep up with show... what I'll keep until the DVDs come out is the EnA version (not perfect as they've had a couple of face-palm moments but a lot closer to the original meaning and context).

And throughout the episode Kagami's dialog is gold :) Its really what got me hooked on the manga much more than Konata's initial lure of fangirlness.

I will never understand KyoAni's choice of budget allocation in Lucky Star. The bus scene where they were talking about the Kotatsu was simply overkill. Additionally, I hope I am not the only one who noticed that this episode was very, very minimalistic and very, very budget compared to the usual fare by KyoAni.The bus scene itself with the camera angles on hips, hands, and such seemed a combination of almost sensual art and budget. But yes, the overall budget was minimalistic. The funny thing is that Lucky*Star manga at its core is a talking head very verbal comic strip (though very cutely and often texturally drawn).... so the more source material they use, the less movement they have to deal with and the more they can spend on those tiny details (like Kagami's slump or little 'unnecessary' movements like flipping their hair :) ). Watching their budget allocation on animation has been a bit wierd..almost like they're saying SURPRISE!!! GOTCHA! at times.

[Kaoru Chujo]

...I will never understand KyoAni's choice of budget allocation in Lucky Star....Isn't it obvious? They are free to save money on most of the show, and then to give us some occasional big hits of wonderful overkill, while still keeping the budget fairly low. If they did it all cheap, we would rebel, and if they did it all expensive, they wouldn't make any money. The 4-koma talking-head nature of the humor makes it possible. But perhaps we should not overestimate how cheap this is, because the movements are really pretty well animated at all times, it seems to me. Especially in ep14.

[Kaioshin Sama]

Isn't it obvious? They are free to save money on most of the show, and then to give us some occasional big hits of wonderful overkill, while still keeping the budget fairly low. If they did it all cheap, we would rebel, and if they did it all expensive, they wouldn't make any money. The 4-koma talking-head nature of the humor makes it possible. But perhaps we should not overestimate how cheap this is, because the movements are really pretty well animated at all times, it seems to me. Especially in ep14.

And yet some people seem are really genuinely confused by this, possibly from lack of experience or just naivete (not talking about Skane). It's basically the same deal with every studio, keep a balanced budget, but be generous where it counts. If you don't follow these simple rules you won't be very successful.

[AVPlaya]

To date, I've thought the element was just that societally perfect comic duo effect (japanese or american). The timing is so snappy. They're not average girls - they sound more like the girls on the high school debate team I act as 'team-dad' for.

Yeah they are a classic manzai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manzai) team. Konata is the boke and Kagami is the tsukkomi. I always thought Kagami over explain the punchlines, but I then realized that's part of what tsukkomi does in a manzai team, and the seriousness of the tsukkomi is part of the humor.

And that's a classic reason why over-localization bites your ass when using it to translate intrinsically foreign concepts. It's why though I'll download them just to keep up with show... what I'll keep until the DVDs come out is the EnA version (not perfect as they've had a couple of face-palm moments but a lot closer to the original meaning and context).


I tried to watch a few a.f.k fansubs just to see how they translate, but I either ended up LOL or getting frustrated at their translation attempts. In some series over-localization maybe needed, but for an series like L*S which intentionally emphasis distinctly Japanese cultural references for the otakus to lookup, they way they translate is unnecessary and annoying. This is a series where faithful translation with translation notes is required, methinks. I know some of you may disagree but I really felt if you watch L*S only through a.f.k translations you are not enjoying this series nearly as much as you should. They are taking the otaku joy out of it.

[Risaa]

I tried to watch a few a.f.k fansubs just to see how they translate, but I either ended up LOL or getting frustrated at their translation attempts. In some series over-localization maybe needed, but for an series like L*S which intentionally emphasis distinctly Japanese cultural references for the otakus to lookup, they way they translate is unnecessary and annoying. This is a series where faithful translation with translation notes is required, methinks. I know some of you may disagree but I really felt if you watch L*S only through a.f.k translations you are not enjoying this series nearly as much as you should. They are taking the otaku joy out of it.
Seconded! A.f.k. is a good sub group, but for a show like L*S, their style of localizing everything really doesn't work well. (I tend to prefer a more literal translation style anyways.) While I followed them, I suffered from a lot of, "hey, that's not what I heard them say!!" I like WinD the best, but I've been following EnA in the meantime... Eep, I need to catch up. :heh:

I have to wonder if a.f.k. caught that (Miyuki saying she plays pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, but then saying she doesn't play westen games much).

[Karnot]

they way they translate is unnecessary and annoying.
I really cant see what is wrong with a.f.k. translation.
EnA ? Dont make me laugh at their clumsy scripts.

[Risaa]

As he already said, some of us *will* disagree... No need to get into a petty war over it. :)

[Vexx]

I'd guess they didn't catch it (not realizing pin-the-tail isn't universal or not back-checking their choices) or they were just stuck and hoped no one would notice. Seriously... localization runs the danger of giving you the "What's up, Tiger Lily?" result -- it might be funny (or even funnier) but I think people are more interested in what makes the original so popular... however, that's why its a good thing to have more than one group subbing this or any other series.
It provides a range of choices. For me at least, too much localization provides a false sense of comfort for the non-speaker of japanese and can result in a serious enough change of meaning that one is no longer watching the series one might think one is.

@Karnot: <shrug> then it shouldn't bother you to watch a.f.k. ... it is not a case of "wrong", it is a case of interpretation choices. If you review the various episode threads, you'll see where occasionally a.f.k.'s choices were unpopular with people who know more than a bit of japanese or japanese culture. As has been stated, Lucky*Star is intrinsically cultural in many respects so you're going to get differences of opinion about what sort of translation is the best choice.

EnA may comes across a bit awkward at times but you don't lose as much of the cultural "feel" in the dialog, imo. So I prefer theirs. I'd probably like WinD even more - but are they even working on the show anymore?

[shinku no kage]

Finally got to watch it. -w-

Started off nicely with a lot Kona+Kagamin talk. Nice. Following up was the New year topic. Personally I'd thought that Konata's family would have spent it the traditional Japanese way. Hmmmm...Izumi-sensei caught me off guard this time. (-_-)

...what was it with the subs though? "Pin the tail on the donkey"? Ugh, WHAT!!?

....VALENTINE!!! Ah, its sad yet "entertaining" to see that none of the L*S gals have a lover(Kona's online fantasy marriage is a no count for me), than again if they did than they'd lose fans. Heh, Shiraishi seemed to find someone. LOL, a GUY!! (>w<)/ Muwahahahaha

Kona's "Ugu~"...*passes out* m (_ _) _

Anime tencho seems to be taking the steps of becoming a "regular' in the series.(Probably more popular than Miyuki-san?) (o.O) (Forgive me Miyuki-san fans!!)!! Not that I'd have any objections to it. Ah, the cast of "Keroro Gunsou/Sgt.Frog" are getting their chances. =w=

-Lucky Channel
LOVED Akira's twin drills. Too bad we didnt get to see them in action. LOL

-ED
What a coincidence, just bought the vol.2 of Haruhi today and I saw the ep that Shiraishi's char appeared singing "Wa,wa,wa~..." Hmmmm...is this the work of _____? (=w=)?

-Preview
Sergeant!? NICE!! (>w<)/ But...not much of a preview. ^^;

[Chi-no]

Cute ending for this..... Something different ... hehe ... ;)

[risingstar3110]

Watching this episode and episode 11 again make me wondering....
...if Yui's sister/cousin is the really tall, gloomy-looking, green hair girl in the OP. It will be surely hilarious if that's true since Kotana still believe there is someone who is shorter than her :D

[Mirrinus]

Watching this episode and episode 11 again make me wondering....
...if Yui's sister/cousin is the really tall, gloomy-looking, green hair girl in the OP. It will be surely hilarious if that's true since Kotana still believe there is someone who is shorter than her :D

Too bad...Yui's sister is revealed in the next episode. And Konata is certainly not wrong.

[Claies]

Watching this episode and episode 11 again make me wondering....
...if Yui's sister/cousin is the really tall, gloomy-looking, green hair girl in the OP. It will be surely hilarious if that's true since Kotana still believe there is someone who is shorter than her :D

No. That gloomy-looking girl is going to be that cousin's best friend. I'm not making this up.

[risingstar3110]

Too bad...Yui's sister is revealed in the next episode. And Konata is certainly not wrong.
Damn ..... bad guess there =P
Still, she can't be shorter than Konata, right?

PS:Edit: I take this back, she is shorter than Konata >___O

[arkon]

Seconded! A.f.k. is a good sub group, but for a show like L*S, their style of localizing everything really doesn't work well. (I tend to prefer a more literal translation style anyways.) While I followed them, I suffered from a lot of, "hey, that's not what I heard them say!!" I like WinD the best, but I've been following EnA in the meantime... Eep, I need to catch up. :heh:

I have to wonder if a.f.k. caught that (Miyuki saying she plays pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, but then saying she doesn't play westen games much).

Well in their sub they didn't have Miyuki saying she doesn't play western games much. "Mere moments later" they have her saying "My family follows western customs but our relatives in the country are more traditional". So unless they translated that "wrong" there's no mention of her saying they don't play western games much or not at all during New Year

Perhaps they did it as part of the "joke" or something. Since as Claies mentioned, Konata later on questions it (in their sub) "Wait, why Pin the Tail on the Donkey?"
If it even was a joke. It's hard to tell being Lucky Star and all.

[kenjiharima]

Maybe Miyuki spend the New Years with the relatives that are shown. Since the Takahara family are all Meganeko's. Btw Mom is much cuter :love:

But imho I really enjoyed the the hot blood scenes of Techno and the other caricatured people.

[Vexx]

Well in their sub they didn't have Miyuki saying she doesn't play western games much. "Mere moments later" they have her saying "My family follows western customs but our relatives in the country are more traditional". So unless they translated that "wrong" there's no mention of her saying they don't play western games much or not at all during New Year

Perhaps they did it as part of the "joke" or something. Since as Claies mentioned, Konata later on questions it (in their sub) "Wait, why Pin the Tail on the Donkey?"
If it even was a joke. It's hard to tell being Lucky Star and all.

Well... if I heard correctly, Miyuki *said* "paste-the-face" game (fuku warai), which a.f.k. translated as "pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey".(http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/virtual/fukuwarai/fukuwarai02.html). Miyuki never mentioned "pin the tail".

Will relisten to Konata to figure out what she actually said....
edit: one thing I'll credit *anyone* on is translating what Konata says as she is the queen of muttering. .... However, I'm getting the impression that Konata's wondering why a high-schooler (or an family of non-children) is playing fukuwarai at all (since it is a small child's game unlike badminton or 100 Poets). See how it shifts the meaning of the conversation.

Remember the "egg twin" conversation which was significantly changed in an early episode? That's the problem with using other parts of a translation to rationalize one part. a.f.k. does a pretty excellent job with their localization in that they rarely miss a possible contradiction when localizing.

I just want to emphasize that choosing to localize is a perfectly viable option - it just means *I'm* not their target audience because I'm interested in the original cultural nuances. It is difficult not to shift the meaning of what is said in intrinsically cultural dialog. For example, I have several books that cover just japanese cultural idioms.

The first time a foreigner hears an American say "that's the way the cookie crumbles" or "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" or "not the sharpest tool in the shed" .... it usually engenders a lot of head scratching. If a reference is used like "he pulled a Homer" or "that's a real Goldberg contraption there", it gets even more baffling. All cultures have those bizarre references built in to the cultural texture of their language. It can be an opportunity to get insight into a culture if examined for what it is.

[AVPlaya]

Sigh, the girls did not mention a single Western game during the whole segment. The only Western thing mentioned was Izumi family's sad tradition of eating pasta during New Years.

The LAST thing anyone in Japan thinks about during New Year's is Western kid's games. There's already Western commercialism overload during X'mas, and the Japanese has a butt load of tradition associated with their own New Year's celebration. I still think a.f.k did a huge disservice to the fansub watchers by their localization attemps. This is kind of thing Western anime company do to "butcher" anime; it should not be done by amature fansubbers which respect to the source material. There are no ignorant or xenophobic/racist audience to cater to here. Double Sigh.

[Risaa]

I still think a.f.k did a huge disservice to the fansub watchers by their localization attemps. This is kind of thing Western anime company do to "butcher" anime; it should not be done by amature fansubbers which respect to the source material. There are no ignorant or xenophobic/racist audience to cater to here. Double Sigh.
Sorry, AVPlaya, but I have to disagree. Personally I don't like the localization; I have an interest in learning about Japanese culture and language, and so I heavily prefer a more literal translation. However, not everyone here has an interest in Japanese culture. Some people don't give a flying toot about Japan, and they may have different reasons for watching the show (the characters are cute, the art is nice, will watch any anime with miko in it, etc.). I agree with an earlier post of yours that they wouldn't be fully enjoying the show and all its aspects, but on the same token, I really don't think they care to. Localization makes it easy for a typical NA-ian to just sit back and gather what they want from the show.

So... though I can see how a.f.k. might be doing a disservice to us, I also see how they could be providing a great service to those who don't care, and *want* a supremo localized translation.

Uh... no hard feelings. Not a personal flame. No offense, anyone. (Sorry, I've been following the gender equality thread a little too much.)

[Vexx]

Like I said... they cater to a specific audience that Risaa noted. Some of us are just not in that group. The only reason I watch them at all is because of their speed of release so I can keep up with the thread conversation.... and to point out that people may at times be laughing at a.f.k's humor rather than Lucky*Star's humor. <shrug> :)

[AVPlaya]

So... though I can see how a.f.k. might be doing a disservice to us, I also see how they could be providing a great service to those who don't care, and *want* a supremo localized translation.

Uh... no hard feelings. Not a personal flame. No offense, anyone. (Sorry, I've been following the gender equality thread a little too much.)

Oh don't worry aboot it... I never take these things personally. :) I'm old...

I generally agree with their translation choices, but when viewers started to get seriously confused about the dialog, I dunno, I don't like it. I guess I'm just glad they're not the official translators or that they're the only fansub around. L*S really need repeated viewing of various translations to get the right gist, I think, you don't know Japanese culture that well.

[arkon]

Well... if I heard correctly, Miyuki *said* "paste-the-face" game (fuku warai), which a.f.k. translated as "pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey".(http://web-japan.org/kidsweb/virtual/fukuwarai/fukuwarai02.html). Miyuki never mentioned "pin the tail".


Yeah, that's what I heard too. Funnily enough in one of the online dictionaries I use, the entry for fukuwarai gives "game like pin the tail on the donkey". I cracked a smile at that when I was looking earlier.


Will relisten to Konata to figure out what she actually said....
edit: one thing I'll credit *anyone* on is translating what Konata says as she is the queen of muttering. .... However, I'm getting the impression that Konata's wondering why a high-schooler (or an family of non-children) is playing fukuwarai at all (since it is a small child's game unlike badminton or 100 Poets).


Ah right. That would make sense

[Ziv]

No. Well...that's how Westerners think, and I'm not one. Actually, the female adjective "hot" has absolutely no effect on me, and I find that a turnoff (I usually associate "hot" with the word "dirty", and I don't value that). "Cute" or "petite", though...is another story.

Wow I thought I was the only one who thought like that. Personally I find tight fitting or revealing clothes a turn-off for the same reason. I'ld be much more interested in a girl who dresses modestly.

[Mirrinus]

Wow I thought I was the only one who thought like that. Personally I find tight fitting or revealing clothes a turn-off for the same reason. I'ld be much more interested in a girl who dresses modestly.

I actually think that way too. Cheers to those who support dressing conservatively!

I actually overdress all the time. It's summer here in southern California, and I still wear a jacket and long pants every single day. No exceptions, lol.

[Vexx]

Too often "tight fitting clothes" or "revealing" clothes .... only reveal one should spend more time exercising and less eating :)

My wife calls it the "there ought to be a spandex law" and it applies to males or females. Any anthropological expedition to the mall should fry a few brain circuits.


<shrug> clothing should be appropriate to the weather, the local culture, or the situation. If I"m in the Brazillian forest playing Medicine Man, I'm probably going to wear a lot less. If I'm in Tokyo, I'm probably going to dress more formally than if I were in Portland, Oregon ... and so on.

[Furudanuki]

My hearing is not the best in the world, so can anyone here confirm or deny that what Tsukasa said that was translated as "Rice cake goes whee" was おもちうにょーん ?

[Vexx]

Hmmmm, that's about what I heard despite five times of playing it although sometimes it sounded more like "Nya-n". How "Nyo-n" or "Nya-n" correlates to "goes whee" is left as a puzzle.... O.o

[Furudanuki]

Hmmmm, that's about what I heard despite five times of playing it although sometimes it sounded more like "Nya-n". How "Nyo-n" or "Nya-n" correlates to "goes whee" is left as a puzzle.... O.o

Yeah, I was in the same boat - heard it as "unya~n" about 1/3 of the time. I'm wondering now if "unyo~n" might be a twist on "nyoro"....? Maybe referring to the snake-like (slithering) appearance of the stretched mochi. Churuya would approve of that one, anyway. ;)

[AVPlaya]

You guys heard right, she DID said おもちうにょーん..

I believe うにょーん is the sound of stretching something elastic long. If you listen carefully, Miyuki said it a second before Tsukasa did. Sometimes stretching your back can use the same FX.

Incidentally, Tsukasa's おもちうにょーん has become an otaku internet meme. Witness this video:

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Remember Miko Miko Nurse?

Wow I thought I was the only one who thought like that. Personally I find tight fitting or revealing clothes a turn-off for the same reason. I'ld be much more interested in a girl who dresses modestly.

Dressing less has never been mark of beauty or attractiveness in the East. In fact, if you look at the historical "nudie" photo of Japanese a hundred years ago, they would never be naked, because they consider nudity ugly. Most attractive parts of a woman is the back of her neck, that's why you see kimono focus on that area.

[OkamiNoKaze]

Good episode, the new ending style still throws me off, even if this is the second run through of the series, this time with the English Dub, the theme song words make no sense, and do translate that as "Rice cakes are stretchy" or something like that. The way I see it, Haruhi is to Konata as Superman is to Seinfeld.