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I know that to get a whole section dedicated to something isn't something that is decided lightly, but I would love to see a section of the forum for discussing live action Japanese TV. As far as I know, right now we have a Sailor Moon Live thread in Fansubs, a thread for the idea of creating a group to sub Japanese gameshows in Fansub Groups, a thread about JDrama's in General Chat, and there's always a new GTO Live thread that pops up every 6-8 weeks or so.
I know its probably a little early to consider this idea, but I just wanted to throw it out there and give my support for it. I think a lot of people are starting to discover non-anime Japanese TV, and I for one enjoy it a lot more than anime these days. What are your opinions on a 'live' forum section?
Oh one final idea, once/if that section is added, it would be really awesome to see torrent files for Live shows added in addition to all the anime :D Until that day, I'll just keep my dream alive :heh:
babbito2k
2004-01-17, 12:11
The fact that you "enjoy dorama more" indicates that you find something in it different to anime. For that very reason I don't think dorama is going to find a home here that's any bigger than it is now.
Sailor Moon and GTO live action shows and the interest people express in them here can be taken as a sort of foothold into a larger interest in dorama as you do, but dorama is usually a lot different to those two shows. I don't think a lot of people are going to bridge the gap any time soon.
I'm not making value judgements; I watch dorama too, but not all that much. The files tend to be VCD or SVCD .mpgs, covering 50 minutes for one episode, and thus much larger than a comparable anime episode. The quality varies wildly, even within the same show; filesize is no indication. They are harder to collect up and burn and store and even watch for these reasons. All of that would be fine but I don't like everything I see so it does seem like too much work in the end.
A couple of anime fansub groups did fansub a couple episodes of Korean TV which I did get ahold of and enjoyed but they seem to have stopped those projects. They had torrents on their torrents pages and I used them but the torrents didn't have much traffic and overall it was kind of frustrating; but I can't blame people for not leaving a 700MB torrent open forever either... it just seems like a different proposition compared to divX anime.
If the dorama fans want a torrent site (or a forum) for dorama there's probably nothing to stop them. They seem to do just fine on irc. I don't think AnimeSuki should get into it, because I think it would dilute the resources needed to handle all the anime and keep the anime shows seeded.
edit: For those who are interested in dorama D-Addicts Forum (http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/) might be worth checking out. There are torrents along with the series discussions.
DekaMaster
2004-02-14, 05:07
Just use anime.mircx.com they list all of it. Some stuff gets through that is questionable, but they list drama,action,anime etc.
please ignore me, if there allready is one. :)
but what do you think of a life action forum? it's not that i'm that much into life action series. i've only seen gto and some episodes of salior moon (it's fun to watch watch with your friends. :D) and just downloaded "ace wo nerae" (a good substitution for prince of tennis...). opinions?
kiro :)
babbito2k
2004-05-08, 16:16
Here is a short and simple thread asking about something similar. Live-action adaptations of anime are simply a small part of the vast world of dorama (Japanese sitcoms/soap operas/romances/dramas etc.). Here is a dorama forum (http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/) if you want to talk about the non-anime-related shows.
Any thread for a fansubbed live-action adaptation of anime is already welcome in the fansubs forum, so I see no need for a new forum just to hold a few threads.
hm, yeah your post in the other thread made sense. guess i'll leave it at that. thx though. :)
JOJOS'STAR
2006-02-18, 22:00
I thought I'd add this to the series discution forum thread but then I had the feeling it didnt match the idea at all.. anyway.
So, yeah I think Live actions are getting more and more popular, yes it is good ^^ but then to evaluate if Live actions are popular enough to benefit from a particular forum, I have no idea.
My point is, popularity aside I think Live Actions are as diffrent from anime(yet based on them) then Animes from games(oh, offen based on them too ^^). But we have a forum for games.
Anyway like I said just a thought. Perhaps I'm anticipating the future of live actions with to much enthusiasm.
Can you clarify on what a live auction is, or how you envision it? Because when I first read this, my thought was "he's asking for a forum where people post deals that they find on the internet for stuff!" - but maybe I was just superimposing an internal desire of mine over your suggestion.
LMAO ledgem.. he asking for a live action thread/forum.. NOT auction ...
LIVE ACTION = series that act by real people (Densha Otoko came to mind) :heh:
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@ riker : booo, slow typer :heh:
Can you clarify on what a live auction is, or how you envision it? Because when I first read this, my thought was "he's asking for a forum where people post deals that they find on the internet for stuff!" - but maybe I was just superimposing an internal desire of mine over your suggestion.
Erm, he said Live Action.
You know... J Drama or K Drama, like Densha Otoko.
I would imagine that the same criteria used to create subforums for series would apply to anime-related live action shows, but that's more for the mods/admins to decide. Doing a quick search, I can find only 13 LA series on the AS series page, though, and the last LA post looks to be for "Sailor Moon Live Action" on Feb 16th.
Would LA be popular enough here to produce enough views to rate a forum like the "Music" and "Games" ones? There are definitely shows out there; "Jo-o" and "Second House" aired and is airing, respectively (I think "Second House" is from a manga?), recently also.
Maybe include anime-/manga-related movies in with the LA shows would include its popularity and chances of getting a forum or subforum?
JOJOS'STAR
2006-02-19, 10:15
I think creating a forum for LA would also make this board well-arranged. The actual way to access LA is through searching Fansubs. I think it would only help to make a forum of its own or a sub-forum in the fansub forum.
I would imagine that the same criteria used to create subforums for series would apply to anime-related live action shows, but that's more for the mods/admins to decide. Doing a quick search, I can find only 13 LA series on the AS series page, though, and the last LA post looks to be for "Sailor Moon Live Action" on Feb 16th.
Would LA be popular enough here to produce enough views to rate a forum like the "Music" and "Games" ones? There are definitely shows out there; "Jo-o" and "Second House" aired and is airing, respectively (I think "Second House" is from a manga?), recently also.
Maybe include anime-/manga-related movies in with the LA shows would include its popularity and chances of getting a forum or subforum?
Yeah that might be a good idea. Include everything that's "live" whatever the source is. The thing is, I'm not sure thats how mods will see it. There needs to be a specific description of what is to be talked in the forum. So anythings thats live might be a bit too large. As "only Live Actions" were more specific, less off- topic Moderation.
Anyway I want to hear a Mod about it. Anyone up to the challenge? :o
Well, the hint is that the request has been made at least twice before and there is still no sign of a Live-Action discussion forum here at AnimeSuki.
I don't see the need for one really. There are many live-action discussion threads already in existence, either in the Fansub forum or in General Chat, so nothing is really stopping you from discussing these series. I don't see any need to group them into their own forum, admittedly it might give you a sense of community but in all honesty it would be better to frequent a dorama forum such as D-Addicts (http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/).
Kinny Riddle
2006-02-19, 13:41
Well, the hint is that the request has been made at least twice before and there is still no sign of a Live-Action discussion forum here at AnimeSuki.
I don't see the need for one really. There are many live-action discussion threads already in existence, either in the Fansub forum or in General Chat, so nothing is really stopping you from discussing these series. I don't see any need to group them into their own forum, admittedly it might give you a sense of community but in all honesty it would be better to frequent a dorama forum such as D-Addicts (http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/).
True that they don't need an independent section for now, but wouldn't it be convenient to group them in the same place (like all of them either in Fansubs or General Chat) so fans don't have to jump here and there for different live-action drama threads?
And, recently I've begun picking up on the Densha Otoko series, just when I'm about to scourge the forums for the thread, I realized the whole thing got wiped out in the Great Forum Hack. :(
JOJOS'STAR
2006-02-19, 16:26
Anyway, xris's suggestion to flirt another forum taken aside, is there any good reason why a forum or sub-forum for Live Action is forbidden in animesuki?? Then just make one for christ sake.
BTW I now the game forum is quite a hustle to deal with and still we have one. Not a chance that happen in a Live-action forum which as much more to do with anime then games, ne? :o
LMAO ledgem.. he asking for a live action thread/forum.. NOT auction ...
LIVE ACTION = series that act by real people (Densha Otoko came to mind) :heh:
Erm, he said Live Action.
You know... J Drama or K Drama, like Densha Otoko.
Well, color me embarrassed. I'm not illiterate, really, I just... don't know how this one happened...
I'd support this idea, although xris does have a point: other communities for dramas do exist. It'd be fun to see it discussed purely with the AnimeSuki community, but we are anime-focused and have quite a large venue of discussion forums already.
Anyway, xris's suggestion to flirt another forum taken aside, is there any good reason why a forum or sub-forum for Live Action is forbidden in animesuki?? Then just make one for christ sake.
You seem to have it the wrong way round. Since when do we have to justify why a forum isn't created.
I've yet to see a reason (apart from "it would be a good idea") as to why one should be created. It's not as if we don't allow live-action discussion, it's not as if we don't allow non-anime related dorama threads to be created. I even maintain a list of anime related discussion threads in the Series Discussion Index (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=13483). If someone wants to create and maintain a Dorama Series Discussion Index for the General Chat forum (or for the entire forum), then they are welcome to do so.
It's not even as if there's a huge activity in the live-action discussion threads to justify a forum, we (the Mods and Admin) have discussed this before and in general we do not see a need for it. Densha Otoko has most likely been the most active of all such threads but even so.
I count myself as a fan of Jdorama, I've enjoyed series such as You're Under Arrest, Trick, Summer Snow, Pride, Orange Days, Moto Kare, Long Vacation, Last Christmas, Hana Yori Dango, Gokusen, Densha Otoko, Bus Stop, Boku Dake no Madonna, and I would recommend any of these series (well, all except Trick) to anime fans who enjoy drama / romantic comedy. But it still comes down to the fact we don't see anywhere near the sort of activity to warrant a new forum. And I'm still unsure just what benefit a new forum will give, all I can see it doing is diffuse the existing dorama forums of other sites. I think I would like to see more Dorama threads and posts because I enjoy such series but just like any other request for a series specific forum, if we think it's justified then (and only then) will we consider creating one.
JOJOS'STAR
2006-02-28, 21:50
You seem to have it the wrong way round. Since when do we have to justify why a forum isn't created.
I've yet to see a reason (apart from "it would be a good idea") as to why one should be created.Well.. I wonder if GHDpro asked himself if creating a forum for anime was a good idea before he did.. He probably did. ^^
It's not as if we don't allow live-action discussion, it's not as if we don't allow non-anime related dorama threads to be created. I even maintain a list of anime related discussion threads in the Series Discussion Index (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=13483). If someone wants to create and maintain a Dorama Series Discussion Index for the General Chat forum (or for the entire forum), then they are welcome to do so.
Verry intresting suggestion. I might give it a try.
It's not even as if there's a huge activity in the live-action discussion threads to justify a forum, we (the Mods and Admin) have discussed this before and in general we do not see a need for it. Densha Otoko has most likely been the most active of all such threads but even so.
I still think that when people start asking for a specified sub-forum it should be created. This is a forum. Its for amusement and information. I dont see which of those criteria a forum for Live Action would not fulfill.I count myself as a fan of Jdorama, I've enjoyed series such as You're Under Arrest, Trick, Summer Snow, Pride, Orange Days, Moto Kare, Long Vacation, Last Christmas, Hana Yori Dango, Gokusen, Densha Otoko, Bus Stop, Boku Dake no Madonna, and I would recommend any of these series (well, all except Trick) to anime fans who enjoy drama / romantic comedy. But it still comes down to the fact we don't see anywhere near the sort of activity to warrant a new forum. And I'm still unsure just what benefit a new forum will give, all I can see it doing is diffuse the existing dorama forums of other sites. I think I would like to see more Dorama threads and posts because I enjoy such series but just like any other request for a series specific forum, if we think it's justified then (and only then) will we consider creating one.
Anyway, it will come eventualy and then you will have no choice to make this forum. ;) I shall be patient then.
BTW I'm glad to hear you're a Jdorama fan.
NoSanninWa
2006-03-01, 02:48
I still think that when people start asking for a specified sub-forum it should be created. This is a forum. Its for amusement and information. I dont see which of those criteria a forum for Live Action would not fulfill.
We fulfill those needs without having a specific forum for Live Action. There are already amusing and informative threads on the subject. That abrogates the need as I see it. What you don't understand is the problems associated with creating a Live Action Forum at AnimeSuki.
If we build it, they will come.
Those are words of dread and horror. If we create a Live Action Forum, I have no doubt that people will post in it. A lot. For the love of god, please just go to HongFire (http://hongfire.com/forum/) or D-Addicts (http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/) if you want to discuss Live Action. They thrive on that stuff over there. If we create a forum for it here, some of their member base will migrate here. That isn't fair to either them, or us. We are primarily about anime here and it is good to keep that focus. I fail to see what good can come from losing that focus.
Then there are the secondary penalties associated creating such a forum. Specifically, we find it irritating when people want us to list live action on our main site which has nothing to do with anime. I suspect that if we create a forum for us, that crowd will become more strident and annoying. After all, if we have a forum for it, why won't we list it?
Altogether I find more negatives than positives associated with creating such a forum. Either discuss it in one of the already existing threads or go to a different forum where discussion of the subject is their focus.
wingdarkness
2006-03-01, 02:58
Lol NSW never wants to do stuff that's new ;p...
NoSanninWa
2006-03-01, 03:08
Heh. I just noticed your signature and my signature on the screen at the same time. They are amusingly synonymous. Even though I actually like h264. :D
I was just thinking, under "Anime Related Topics", is it possible have a section for Live Action? Whether it be TV series or movies, whether it be from Japan or Korea or other places.
Originally I thought about just restricting it to Japan, since these shows are quite closely related to anime as well, with some movies from Japan originating from other anime/manga and such, but then I looked at the music forum and people discuss about all kinds of music too, so maybe we can have a general forum for Live Action as well?
Aoie_Emesai
2007-08-14, 01:29
I was just thinking, under "Anime Related Topics", is it possible have a section for Live Action? Whether it be TV series or movies, whether it be from Japan or Korea or other places.
Originally I thought about just restricting it to Japan, since these shows are quite closely related to anime as well, with some movies from Japan originating from other anime/manga and such, but then I looked at the music forum and people discuss about all kinds of music too, so maybe we can have a general forum for Live Action as well?
I think it would be suitable for general anime, since it's anime based anyway.
I think it would be suitable for general anime, since it's anime based anyway.What I think he has in mind is a forum for all kinds of live action. Japanese, Korean dramas, tokusatsu, American TV shows, movies etc. etc.
Personally, I'm not too thrilled over this idea because it would loosen the forums' orientation too much. If we had to restrict discussion about non-Japanese kinds of music in the Music forum just to prove a point, I would be up for that. ^^;
LCeh, the current forums aren't getting overwhelmed with such threads so it's not going to make much of a difference. :uhoh:
BTW, you can discuss non-Japanese movies in general chat.
I am not a lot interested in live-action shows (mainly because it is not as easy as finding anime), but, I believe these series have quite a large number of fanbase outside Japan or Korea.
If there is a potential of creating 50 or more threads (even I can easily name more than 10, so there should be a lot more than that), I think, a need to create that subforum should be understandable, and even justifiable, as long as they are only based on anime or manga or similar versions from eastern Asia (not cartoon or comics). Hence, there is no need to limit it to Japan, there are also shows from Korea, as well, that use the same kind of source.
Anyways, I am sure, it will be much more interesting than the music and game forums....and more informative than the fan creations forum....
Aoie_Emesai
2007-08-14, 02:44
I am not a lot interested in live-action shows (mainly because it is not as easy as finding anime), but, I believe these series have quite a large number of fanbase outside Japan or Korea.
If there is a potential of creating 50 or more threads (even I can easily name more than 10, so there should be a lot more than that), I think, a need to create that subforum should be understandable, and even justifiable, as long as they are only based on anime or manga or similar versions from eastern Asia (not cartoon or comics). Hence, there is no need to limit it to Japan, there are also shows from Korea, as well, that use the same kind of source.
Anyways, I am sure, it will be much more interesting than the music and game forums....and more informative than the fan creations forum....
Even so, they are soooooo cool. I just watched Saikano Live Action yesterday, it's all too good ^_^
Well, after seeing the previous posts and replies on the same topic (haven't seen those before), it is safe to say, it won't be created. It seems there is no need for it.
Instead, Animesuki is in dire need for a game subforum, with no risk or guilt of stealing fans from other sites, unlike the live-action one! Pretty good excuse actually, you can never beat it...
Instead, Animesuki is in dire need for a game subforum, with no risk or guilt of stealing fans from other sites, unlike the live-action one! Pretty good excuse actually, you can never beat it...
:confused: Since we have a Games (http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33) sub-forum I can only assume this is sarcasm, but for the life of me I don't see the joke.
I think he meant to say "forum-games" subforum.
I'm all for a live-action forum. I think the dorama/movie fanbase are growing, and many of them (non-Asian fans) started out from anime. It's a very natural extension. Maybe the emphasis of this forum in animesuki should be focusing on anime or manga related properties, but users should be allowed to create threads on their own. For example, fans of HYD may become fans of Arashi after watching the live action version, and may wanted to discuss other dorama in which Arashi members has appeared in. This forum would be a great place for them.
I don't think it will really "steal members" from other forms because this forum can never replace sites like j-dorama.com or d-addicts.com with their massive amount of info on live-action shows. Plus, in Japan a dorama fan used to be an antithesis of an anime fan; many dorama watchers won't really be interested in anime enough to want to visit here. If you want a serious, in-depth dicussion about a show, there are other forums. But a live action forum here in animesuki is would be a great place for those slowly moving from "anime-fan" to "Asian entertainment fans". If you're on a dorama-site, you tend not wanting to mention that you're also an anime fan. In here, you won't have that issue at all as you can safely assume everyone also watches anime.
As for the type of live action shows discussed, I believe that K-dorama and some Taiwan dorama should be given room here. The reason even in Japan Korean doramas are bigger than J-doramas. If you start watching one, it's inevitable you start watching the other. Some Taiwan dorama are based on manga properties.
So as an anime fan with a strong dorama-watching credential, I would hope that such forum would exist here.
I'm all for a live-action forum. I think the dorama/movie fanbase are growing, and many of them (non-Asian fans) started out from anime. It's a very natural extension.
I'm sure it is growing but I'm not convinced that the growth is here at AnimeSuki. Please remember that our objective isn't to take over the world, we do not feel the need to try and be everything to everybody. We want to focus on anime mostly but we have no objection if there is live-action dorama discussion here.
Maybe the emphasis of this forum in animesuki should be focusing on anime or manga related properties, but users should be allowed to create threads on their own.
In what way do we inhibit creation of live-action dorama discussion threads? We have a number of them already and they can be created just like any other discussion thread (suitably in either the Fansubbed or General Chat forum).
For example, fans of HYD may become fans of Arashi after watching the live action version, and may wanted to discuss other dorama in which Arashi members has appeared in. This forum would be a great place for them.
Yes. If they came and posted here we would not object.
I don't think it will really "steal members" from other forms because this forum can never replace sites like j-dorama.com or d-addicts.com with their massive amount of info on live-action shows.
I don't think we "steal" them either. I think I used the term "focus", meaning that our main focus isn't dorama but anime. If there are several sites all trying to "attract" the discussion then I think the focus or energy would be lost (maybe "lost" is the wrong word, the focus would not be so intense as it would be spread around more sites).
Plus, in Japan a dorama fan used to be an antithesis of an anime fan; many dorama watchers won't really be interested in anime enough to want to visit here. If you want a serious, in-depth dicussion about a show, there are other forums. But a live action forum here in animesuki is would be a great place for those slowly moving from "anime-fan" to "Asian entertainment fans". If you're on a dorama-site, you tend not wanting to mention that you're also an anime fan. In here, you won't have that issue at all as you can safely assume everyone also watches anime.
True, but in what way would a sub-forum help this? I can see some minor encouragement but first I would like to see a real increase in the activity of the existing dorama threads here.
As for the type of live action shows discussed, I believe that K-dorama and some Taiwan dorama should be given room here. The reason even in Japan Korean doramas are bigger than J-doramas. If you start watching one, it's inevitable you start watching the other. Some Taiwan dorama are based on manga properties.
K or T dorama is acceptable just as J-dorama is.
So as an anime fan with a strong dorama-watching credential, I would hope that such forum would exist here.
Thanks for the constructive comments and to which I think I agree with them :) I'll repeat what I posted 18 months ago since I don't see anything has really changed.
I would love to see more live-action drama discussion here at AnimeSuki but I have yet to see any indication that it has increased of late (here at AnimeSuki that is).
I've yet to see a reason (apart from "it would be a good idea") as to why one should be created. It's not as if we don't allow live-action discussion, it's not as if we don't allow non-anime related dorama threads to be created. I even maintain a list of anime related discussion threads in the Series Discussion Index (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=13483). If someone wants to create and maintain a Dorama Series Discussion Index for the General Chat forum (or for the entire forum), then they are welcome to do so.
It's not even as if there's a huge activity in the live-action discussion threads to justify a forum, we (the Mods and Admin) have discussed this before and in general we do not see a need for it. Densha Otoko has most likely been the most active of all such threads but even so.
I count myself as a fan of Jdorama, I've enjoyed series such as You're Under Arrest, Trick, Summer Snow, Pride, Orange Days, Moto Kare, Long Vacation, Last Christmas, Hana Yori Dango, Gokusen, Densha Otoko, Bus Stop, Boku Dake no Madonna, and I would recommend any of these series (well, all except Trick) to anime fans who enjoy drama / romantic comedy. But it still comes down to the fact we don't see anywhere near the sort of activity to warrant a new forum. And I'm still unsure just what benefit a new forum will give, all I can see it doing is diffuse the existing dorama forums of other sites. I think I would like to see more Dorama threads and posts because I enjoy such series but just like any other request for a series specific forum, if we think it's justified then (and only then) will we consider creating one.
And to the above list I would add At Home Dad, Lunch Queen :)
True, but in what way would a sub-forum help this? I can see some minor encouragement but first I would like to see a real increase in the activity of the existing dorama threads here.
I would think that the encouragement is more than minor. I personally didn't want to post a lot about live-action since I felt it was out of place here. For example, I could have post a ton of info on Nodame Cantibile live action but I really resisted since I didn't think animesuki was that dorama-friendly. If there was a live-action forum I would fee very comfortable since it's telling me that there a lot of fellow fans like myself who enjoy both, and the admins are dorama-friendly as well. Some of your admins are a bit... intimidating... :heh:
I totally understand your point about thread count not increasing, but I would like to suggest that maybe if there was a forum there you will see more threads. I know I could have open a couple myself. I know I could in General but like the above paragraph, I'm just not sure if it's "kosher". Having a forum would get more thread started, and more interest in dorama would be generated. That is all I'm saying. :)
If we want to have a live action forum, first we need to just start posting about it wherever it belongs (if the series has to do with an anime, the fansubbed forum, if not, the general thread). I started a Hana Kimi live action thread a while ago, and it hasn't gotten very many responses, but there's enough that it's encouraging me to continue discussing it there.
If enough people show interest in the live action threads that are made, then I could see a live action forum happening. If not... it just proves xris's point.
The bottom line: don't be afraid to post about live action shows. If it goes well, there will be a live action forum eventually, no doubt. :)
If we want to have a live action forum, first we need to just start posting about it wherever it belongs (if the series has to do with an anime, the fansubbed forum, if not, the general thread). I started a Hana Kimi live action thread a while ago, and it hasn't gotten very many responses, but there's enough that it's encouraging me to continue discussing it there.
If enough people show interest in the live action threads that are made, then I could see a live action forum happening. If not... it just proves xris's point.
The bottom line: don't be afraid to post about live action shows. If it goes well, there will be a live action forum eventually, no doubt. :)
i agree there, it would be nice. but if it's created what if no one uses it. but it would be nice
i agree there, it would be nice. but if it's created what if no one uses it. but it would be nice
lol That's my point -- it shouldn't be created until we show that it will actually get used, and used frequently.
Aoie_Emesai
2007-08-15, 02:14
I'm sure it is growing but I'm not convinced that the growth is here at AnimeSuki. Please remember that our objective isn't to take over the world, we do not feel the need to try and be everything to everybody. We want to focus on anime mostly but we have no objection if there is live-action dorama discussion here.
The growth here is steady. Though some users like Deathkillz sure do post a lot, like in +++++++size.
lol That's my point -- it shouldn't be created until we show that it will actually get used, and used frequently.That's one of the obstacles in creating that subforum, the condition of it getting used frequently (as well as getting not used frequently - can you see an exit?), which was made clear by one of the earlier posts. The more it draws attention, the worse it is for this site, as it would have stolen customers from other friendly places...Can you really argue with that? I honestly can't. I am really at a loss for words.
:confused: Since we have a Games (http://forums.animesuki.com/forumdisplay.php?f=33) sub-forum I can only assume this is sarcasm, but for the life of me I don't see the joke.I am sorry, if I get misunderstood. My aim wasn't to make a joke, just to show the unbelievability factor in that argument, and the case of arguing against it getting automatically closed, making it a completely biased choice, living no door open, for the counters...That is how I see, anyways. Doesn't have to be shared by all...
We have a music and game sub-forms that doesn't seemed to be used THAT often relative to the rest of the forums, yet they exist.
Again I can't buy the argument of "stealing" from other sites, being a frequent visitor of those sites. There are many people who're watching dorama due to their interest in Japanese culture that's not part of the otaku world, and a whole lot of them are Asians living in the West who are sick of the "mainstream" entertainment in their countries. Most of them won't come to Animesuki. In fact, I can see traffic to those sites GROWING instead.
But I can see that it's probably a lost cause. Oh well.
We have a music and game sub-forms that doesn't seemed to be used THAT often relative to the rest of the forums, yet they exist.They are used enough actually, the discussion is just more to the point. IMO this idea is, at most, adequate as a sub-forum for one of the current sections. But considering the admins rejected the idea of a novels section, which I would like to think is higher on the food chain, your idea was more or less a lost cause to begin with.
your idea was more or less a lost cause to begin with.
Just to clarify, it wasn't my idea. I was just voicing support for it.
I think a subsection should be provided . Dramas may be non anime related but live actions are related to anime . Also their are lot of live actions airing soon namely Negima
Should McDonald serve you french wine since they are related to restaurants.
Is thee anime or is thee NOT anime? that is the question.
Irwin1138
2007-08-21, 08:11
Should McDonald serve you french wine since they are related to restaurants
Please, dont forget that live actions are related to anime just as much as manga does! And there IS a sub-section for manga! Also, there is a sub-section for music, where ppl discuss not only-from-anime-music. Like descriptions says: "Forum for discussing anime music and Asian music such as JPop". So you see, all this is related to anime. Some more, some less, but it all does. I mean, you cant cut anime from everything, cause it is much bigger then plain anime.
I cant say that Im a big fan of live action, but I just cant see the difficulties in creation of such sub-section. In admincp it takes 2 clicks and filling in 2-3 textboxes, checking 3-4 checkboxes (if I can remember it right), and thats all 8) So if there are ppl who want such a sub-section, why the hell not? 8)
Just because it can be done or similar things have been done, does not imply reason for it to be done!
Suppose a lot of people would be annoyed by it's existence. That would be reason not to have it.
Also, if I'm not mistaken, AnimeSuki forums is oriented towards high quality discussion, not high density.
The forum's been peaceful for some time, and so it has been long since
the position was cited by one of the forum leaders, so I could be wrong.
Irwin1138
2007-08-21, 10:11
Cats, but you missed the whole point of what I wanted to say! 8)
I just showed you with help of some examples, that your example of "Should McDonald serve you french wine since they are related to restaurants" isnt correct for this particular issue 8)
Suppose a lot of people would be annoyed by it's existence. That would be reason not to have it.
Err... You're joking, arent you? 8) Its not an argument against having ANY subsection or even thread, or even post 8)
Anyways, I just stated my opinion on this issue. And again, I think that opening of this subsection will do no harm at all 8)
Should McDonald serve you french wine since they are related to restaurants.
Is thee anime or is thee NOT anime? that is the question.
I will answer that question with a question .
There is a subsection for games and the majority of games discussed are non-anime related . Live actions are anime related so when its okay for games why not for live actions?
An unessecary fact French Fries dont get their name from France its the cut the cut is called French ie like dice and jullians
NightWish
2007-08-21, 11:19
AnimeSuki started its life as a sub-section of an Emulator/Game related site; so a lot of people from the early days were interested in games before anime. Additionally the game section (once AnimeSuki formed its own forum) was just for anime related games. It has grown in scope since.
I will refer people back to xris' post on the previous page. We're not against the idea of such a forum section, we simply don't see the need for it yet. A bunch of people saying it would be a good idea is not a wealth of threads supporting it.
If a lot of Live Action shows are going to be released soon, all anime related, then we may end up listing more and the discussion (in the existing sections) might swell. If and when that happens, we may decide a section is warranted. We don't go out of our way to increase the forum population or quantity of threads, we like it to grow organically because there is discussion to be made. We don't make sections to encourage people to join and contribute on a given topic, we make sections in order to cope with, contain and organise, existing threads that share a common theme, so they are easier to maintain and find. Forum creation is almost always reactive rather than proactive.
~ Geta
It is recognised by 100% of the people here.
It is practiced/experienced by at the very least 50% of people here.
There is enough interest for it to be a good read and subject for debate.
It is a known fact that a lot of anime fans play games.
It is a acknowledged industry.
Cats, but you missed the whole point of what I wanted to say! 8)
I just showed you with help of some examples, that your example of "Should McDonald serve you french wine since they are related to restaurants" isnt correct for this particular issue 8)
Comparing by relationship a restaurant and fast-foot-whatever are equal since they both: serve you food and drinks (analogy: anime) If we compare by community coverage, they are totally unrelated.
e.g
Forums by Relationship: Comics, Cartoon, Merchandise, Figurines, Hentai.
Forums by Community: Music, Games, Manga/Novels
Post Scriptum -- I'm not arguing against it, I could care less if it was here or not. I'm tring to point out that your point: "it's anime related" isn't grounds for creating it.
Irwin1138
2007-08-21, 11:56
Just start a poll on that topic (or attach it to this thread), and youll see how much users want live action subsection, and how much doesnt care, that will at least end some pointless discussions 8)
We don't make sections to encourage people to join and contribute on a given topic, we make sections in order to cope with, contain and organise, existing threads that share a common theme, so they are easier to maintain and find. Forum creation is almost always reactive rather than proactive.I think that is not always correct.
If I consider each specific anime sub-forums, as a forum/section, we all know they are not created because of the reaction of the fans. Rather, they are mostly created to encourage posts and the anime (unfortunately I cannot think of any other way, especially since there are much better candidates if it would be only a matter of reaction).
One of the reasons to support a live-action forum, is because it is indeed an important part of anime-based themes. Just like any anime thread, what you see may not show what fans would do, if it would have its own forum. And, if you ever create the forum, and the reaction may not happen to be at the expected level, if that happens, you can close it down, after a trial period. I don't see any loss in there. At least, after that you can safely say that we tried but it failed, instead of we cannot because... And if it works, it might be a valuable complementary addition for the forum.
Would creating more troubles and pausing the debate solve the problem.
If there's no grounds to make it there's no ground to test it...
If there's no grounds to make it there's no ground to test it...Oh, I am sure there is a ground to make it, though that does not mean it will be enough to make it.
2H-Dragon
2007-08-22, 03:39
For what it's worth I would probably post in it. After already seeing most good anime's. I started watching drama. It's pretty similar to anime/manga in various aspects(maybe it's an Asian thing?). Drama's are better in portraying romance/drama. While KGNE might be special as anime. If you compare it to the drama it doesn't even come close.
Might not be a bad idea to make a LA section if it accepts all drama's. Or else it would be pointless. Since most are worse then the original as an exception we have Goong, but that's based on a manga so not sure if it counts? xD
Might not be a bad idea to make a LA section if it accepts all drama's. Or else it would be pointless.
Read the first post, The topic is not the creation of some sort of Movies / Non-Anime Series forum, but a Live Action forum. In other words, a forum dedicated to stuff like: Sailor Moon Live Action, Shinigami no Ballad Live Action, Death Note Live Action et cetera In layman's terms any and all Japanese/Korean/Chinese/what-have-you dramas based on popular anime series.
That why Sazelyt, Irwin, Geta and others have been rubbing in how it's related to anime. In my opinion most people that see it would consider it some sort of cosplay and fanfiction youtube-like video so I think a forum wouldn't be appropriate, but I'm not against it.
Forum creation is almost always reactive rather than proactive.
The following thread are wrongly positioned and should be in Fan Creation: Post a Photo of Yourself! (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=44), The Post Your Desktop Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=9), Photographs (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=155), Anime Screenshot Captions (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=9561), Learn Japanese - Through 4-panel manga! (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=36640) If I'm wrong then obviously these threads from Fan Creation are wrongly positioned and should be in General Chat: Best kind of pen for outlining pictures? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=9570), How can I get a professional looking CG? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=6311), How to CG hair? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=6311), How to draw anime hair? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=14605), How to draw anime/manga characters? (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=20125), Inking (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=5505) and countless others who are only discussions and don't create anything "tangible".
My point is: you're far more proactive then reactive. You wouldn't have such a general policy as: we won't do it if we hear it from you... (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=28131) or adopt such stiff decisions or ambigous positions if you were indeed reactive. Of course I'm not implying anything bad, just expressing my point of view.
NightWish
2007-08-22, 07:38
I think you are missing my point, possibly I didn't make it well enough.
To start with your example uses two forums that have existed since the forums inception, and probably the emulator forum from which we grew. I accept the scope of the Fan Creation forum has drifted (in fact it was just fan art until enough people posted more than just artwork), but I don't see any problem with the current position of the threads you list. Ok, so some of the threads could possibly live in one or other forums, maybe, but you could say the same about a lot of threads and the general chat forum. I don't think we'll ever get a clean dividing line, but at the same time I don't think that means we need to change the structure to "fix" the situation. So far it has worked fine.
More generally: When I said "reactive" I never said anything about it being with respect to what people say. We are generally reactive to posting patterns over a long period of time NOT to the whims of the few people who decide to post an opinion on which forums should be created. Asking for a series forum won't get one made, yes, but it won't stop us making one, if we feel it is needed, either.
All I was saying is that we normally watch discussion trends and make changes in reaction to them. We don't (generally) make changes in order to elicit posting habits. Most of the topic specific forums you see have existed in one form or another since the forum was created. There will always be exceptions but that is generally the case.
We don't (generally) make changes in order to elicit posting habits. Most of the topic specific forums you see have existed in one form or another since the forum was created. There will always be exceptions but that is generally the case.Let me give an example, if Claymore, Death Note, FMA would have stayed as separate anime and manga threads, it wouldn't have received that much attention and elicit posting habits. If you have created a Nodame Cantabile or even Major subforum, I am sure it would have exceeded many of the subforums currently available there. Creating a thread elicit posting habits, by allowing the discussion on a focused area on many topics. That is the truth, and it will not change, maybe, except for a few series (Naruto - Bleach - Gundam, I would have liked to include One Piece, but, I believe with the emergence of Kefi and Arlong Park, it is currently at the point of trying to only stay alive).
The live-action fans or people who might show interest in that, may post or post a lot more when they are all gathered in the same subforum. That is the truth. That is why, I would really love to see that being tried like for some time - like a 3-month period - in a controlled manner, to see how it goes, and I don't think it would cause a lot more trouble than what already is.
(Note: Honestly, the exceptions you mention, I just checked older series forum, and nearly 40% of them cannot be considered as popular among all/majority users, rather, maybe a very small group of posters. With that high percentage, it is not fair to call them as exceptions, cause they are well beyond that barrier.)
I dont think post frequency should be that big of an issue . Well the music subsection gets an average of 3-4 posts per day at times less . Currently I feel live actions are orphaned as they dont have their own subsection : ( . Also a new subsection well encourage more posts in the concerned threads also will generate a lot of interest .As many have stressed about DAddicts and JDorama but it caters more to Dramas than LvA . Dramas are a sub Group of LvA but the emphasis here is anime related
~ Sazelyt
It's normal for a forum to look bigger then a thread, that doesn't mean the discussion is better! Specialised threads are there because there is no disadvantage in having them, they don't help discussion or do any good.
Not having rules against necro posting doesn't imply the disadvantages aren't there; endless quarles, flame-wars, people throwing pointless remarks and countering what may be already outdated opinions... et cetera. In a way, not having a forum is a very good thing.
Your latest suggestion of deleting forums in the Older Series section is just as crazy as the testing-period idea. Sorry but there is just no way to delete a forum without risking some sort of war between the staff and community; a wave of complaints and bitter opinions is guaranteed. People get upset when you're just deleting one of their posts, imagine the reaction deleting all their posts in a forum, with only some "We don't like it." comment as consolation. You are right, it takes just a few clicks, but the easiest solution isn't always the best solution.
~ Geta
Animesuki is a Anime English-Fansub Indexing site. Hence, JDrama in general is accessible to at most 10% of people here. Now how many of that 10% are actually intrested in it!? Live Action is an alternative to anime, just like TvDramas all over the world are. If the majority here had an interest in this alternative then they would not be the majority. All forums here, with the exception of a select few, were created because they touch topics that are part of anime, not because they were related to anime.
~ Sazelyt
It's normal for a forum to look bigger then a thread, that doesn't mean the discussion is better! Specialised threads are there because there is no disadvantage in having them, they don't help discussion or do any good. I am not saying the discussion is better or not. That was not my point. My point was that creating a forum for a topic increases the interest and attracts more posts regardless of what the initial reaction was. And, in a similar way, opening a forum is not a guarantee that it will blossom into something major.
In a way, not having a forum is a very good thing.Not having a possibly-desired forum is not a good thing. And, if we assume the average age for posters in live-action forum will be higher than the anime ones, I expect the discussion to be more civil.
Your latest suggestion of deleting forums in the Older Series section is just as crazy as the testing-period idea. I have never said that. I just pointed out an observation, that the exception on the reaction part cannot be counted as an exception. On the opposite, one can afraid whether the forums created by reaction will soon become an exception or not.
Animesuki is a Anime English-Fansub Indexing site. Hence, JDrama in general is accessible to at most 10% of people here.
Actually LvA are subbed in English … And this discussion is regarding LvA not dramas I think you are confused regarding the two
Now how many of that 10% are actually intrested in it!? Live Action is an alternative to anime, just like TvDramas all over the world are. If the majority here had an interest in this alternative then they would not be the majority. All forums here, with the exception of a select few, were created because they touch topics that are part of anime, not because they were related to anime.
I can use the same argument for any series thread , which do not get their own subsection. Let’s take Mononoke I see 5 active posters in that thread. So going by your argument it doesn’t need a thread as its catering to 5 people . Is that the point you are making? Also AS needs to scrap the music section as it has less than 5 posts per day .
The argument regarding related to anime is redundant there are two sections which are partially dealing with anime. These are frequented by 10 % users.. Also these users do not frequent anime threads .They exsist as they are related to anime
Irwin1138
2007-08-22, 18:57
Apparently none of you noticed my post which holds a key to this issue, so Ill repeat it for those who blind:
The simplest solution is to make a poll!
Then you will see how much ppl actually wants the live action subsection.
But for the love of gods, dont create a poll with "No I dont want live action subsection" option, please.
Make only 2 options, the "Yes thatll be great" and "I dont give a flying duck" one 8)
This poll will end this senceless flood of whats related to anime and whats not, I hope. TY all!
A poll is pointless. A thread where people can say what they like and if they would like one is much better.
This thread does that and I don't see people with 100+ posts coming in a saying: "I love this and that... and would love a forum"
NSW happens to think people would post (a lot) and that's why he's against it. So why bother...
~ Sazelyt & Geta
Post count doesn't make it smarter.
~ Sazelyt & Geta
Post count doesn't make it smarter.It may not, in another forum. But, here the spam count is not very high. Anyway, regardless of what we think on that, the threads and the forum survive and live with the posts. And, if you can maintain the quality of the majority of the posts above some level on related forums, the post count becomes important.
I've yet to actually see a compelling reason put forward to create a Live-Action forum so far. Since I consider myself a fan of live action J-Dorama I wouldn't be that against such a forum but as I said, I can't say I really noticed a good reason why a Live-Action forum should be created over say a Sports forum or a Movies forum.
It may not, in another forum. But, here the spam count is not very high. Anyway, regardless of what we think on that, the threads and the forum survive and live with the posts. And, if you can maintain the quality of the majority of the posts above some level on related forums, the post count becomes important.
Lets take a look at numbers of posts over the last month then (31 days) and compare the Live-Action / Sports / Movies posts we've had. Now I totalled these up last night manually so there might be errors but I think I found most of the appropriate posts from the last month.
Live Action
23 posts in 6 threads (over half of which came from one thread).
Sports
161 posts in 4 threads (the bulk of which came from one thread)
Movies
196 posts in 16 threads
Notes: For Live-Action I looked in the Fansubbed, Unaired and General Chat forums, for Sports and Movies I looked in the General Chat forum. By "movies", I mean the typical Hollywood movie.
This seems to be telling me that we should be creating a Movies forum and a Sports forum before we create that Live-Action forum. I'm sure that if such forums were created then we would attract a lot more new posts and activity as well as some new members who would want to post. Both of these forums could also be "related" to anime as well, there are a number of sports anime already so it would help encourage non-anime watchers to consider series such as Major, Eyeshield 21, Ookiku Furikabutte, etc.
But as we have repeatedly stated, we are not trying to make AnimeSuki into the be all and end all of forums. We do not feel the need to try and be everything to everybody.
As it stands, we have no objection if people post in the existing Live-Action threads and if such threads don't exist then we have no problem if they are created by those interested in discussing the series. It's not as if we don't allow Live-Action discussion. I don't really see how grouping them together into a forum actually helps that much. I'm not saying there aren't advantages but before we go down that route I would like to see a noticeable change, one that is vastly greater that topics such as Sports and Movies, in the contribution and activity for Live-Action threads. And that doesn't just mean posts counts, there are a lot more variables we consider when deciding on new sub-forums.
I'm not trying to put down the idea of such a forum but I still would like to see constructive reasons, more than "it would be a good idea". So, Sazelyt, Geta Boshi and the others who have made the requests, please put your thinking caps on :)
This seems to be telling me that we should be creating a Movies forum and a Sports forum before we create that Live-Action forum. I'm sure that if such forums were created then we would attract a lot more new posts and activity as well as some new members who would want to post. Both of these forums could also be "related" to anime as well, there are a number of sports anime already so it would help encourage non-anime watchers to consider series such as Major, Eyeshield 21, Ookiku Furikabutte, etc.I believe your numbers and reasoning of postponing as well. But, I still didn't like the comparison to sports and movies. I don't really see a direct connection to the anime in those two topics. Live action shows we consider are created by the anime or manga series - so there is a direct relationship. And, it is one of 4-5 main topics that you consider in the genre (anime, manga, music, live-action, and/or games).
The numbers don't lie, that shows there is not much attraction towards that topic. It may be caused because of disorientation. You have to find the related thread which may be lot of pages away, instead of just directly entering a live-action forum and posting there, and if not many people are posting there you wouldn't want to post. Speaking from my view, I don't think I have posted in the live-action threads, because of many reasons. But, I think I would post if I see a forum specifically for that, and if there are enough number of people who would want to post like me (I guess we can count you in), it may generate good results. (as an example, if there would be 50 or so people interested in and posting in One Piece, I would post quite a lot in there, because of finding a great variety of people to discuss the topic in a focused forum, instead of idling)
That is why the suggestion of a trial period seems to be a reasonable idea. It would be useful to determine whether it will add valuable content to animesuki or whether the efforts will be wasted. But, at least, we can make a definite claim on what the real case is.
xris, if you and the rest of the staff aren't that against the idea of having this LA forum or extra forums in general, but just don't wish for extra clutter and/or distractions or non-anime forums, then one solution might be to just sink them beneath the overlaying "important" forums.
The solution would go something like this: you create a subforum in one of the current top level forums (General Chat would be the most appropriate) then place forums like LA and others in it. (since I've heard these LA bable in the past)
The forums would become accessible either by clicking the sub-forum link under General Chat or going to General Chat where it should be appearing in a box at the top with it's forums as sub-forums. (similar to how you see the Current/Older Series forums)
But this is all in the idea that the LA fans can't discuss anything if they don't have a forum structure, which I find hard to believe.
We already discussed the cons so here are some of the Pros of having a seprate subsection
• Smart Indexing
Threads are not orphaned all threads in one section. Members don’t have to search in General Anime Fan subbed or General sections
• Easier Locating
Sometimes the Live action threads are named [XXX] ZZZ this makes it difficult for searching using search button. Once or twice, I have faced that problem. If threads are located in one section can be manually searched
• More Posts
Lack of a section sometimes leads to lack of posts . When Maison Ikkoku released I and a member were forced to discuss it New Shows Thread by Neo Sam . As no one bothered to make a thread . If there is a thread there is more chances of people posting
• Consistent Subbing
Initially the problem was fan sub groups used to start a project then abandon it . So threads were pointless . With consistent subbing by groups like Sars , whole series can be guaranteed .
• Awareness and Interest
When I have not seen an anime I read the posts to decide whether or not I should watch it . Reading threads and posts increases my interest in that anime . As LvAs are scattered its impossible to do so . If there is a subsection it will increase awareness and may even interest people to follow the show
• We are not Dorama or DAddicts
We are not we are Animsesuki so majority of us watch anime and when we want a change follow LvA . Most members are mainly anime oriented so our knowledge regarding Actors Directors is best put amateurish . So there is a feeling of out of place whilst posting at those other forums .
But as AS is more anime oriented we feel at home .
innominate
2007-08-24, 09:14
Hmm, I have not been following this discussion, but I believe there are a few factors that should be considered when creating a subforum.
Number of posts (No point trying to explain)
Number of topics discussed in the threads (If people keep discussing the same topic, I don't see why a subforum is required, because the main reason why a subforum is created is so that the posts can be organised into such a way that it makes it simpler to access and contribute to the discussionS.)
Number of users that contribute to the discussion (A forum is a place to exchange opinions on a larger scale, as compared to a chatroom. Hence, if only one or two people contribute to the discussion it defeats the purpose of a forum in the first place.)
Basically a forum structures a discussion such that opinions are categorised and dealt with respectively. If the discussion requires such a structure then by all means go with it. In case some may feel that such a subforum may compromise other forums, I would like to say that this is not a problem, because if you just follow Cats' suggestion, this can be overcome easily.
I personally have no personal objection/ approval of such a forum since I don't really know what Live-Action really is. (I have some vague idea that it's an anime series turned into a film of some sort) but if it's anime related, and popular enough, &in demand, I don't see why it shouldn't be created.
That is, if it is popular and demanded by the above criterion. ^^
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Edit: D: did geta just post something similar? Why am I always late...
When Maison Ikkoku released I and a member were forced to discuss it New Shows Thread by Neo Sam . As no one bothered to make a thread.
First Irwin, now you...
At the bottom and top of each forum there is a button for creating new threads.
First Irwin, now you...
At the bottom and top of each forum there is a button for creating new threads.
The point isnt about creating new threads .... Neo Sam already had all the info in his thread . Making a clone thread of his post was not nessecary .
I thought you were talking about the Announcement thread. If the series already had a thread what were you trying to say with the "As no one bothered to make a thread." comment.
Irwin1138
2007-08-24, 16:03
First Irwin, now you...
Cats, can you please explain how am I supposed to be related? 8)
You asked people to make a thread in your place. Sorry, don't mean any offence, just have to say I find it a very silly request.
Irwin1138
2007-08-25, 14:51
Well, I see a big difference here 8)
I SUGGESTED, not ASKED 8) And also, as I said, there is nothing for me from creation of LA subforum, and dont you think that if I was the one who created the poll, the one who doesnt really interested in that, that it would look really strange? ;)
AnimeSuki started its life as a sub-section of an Emulator/Game related site; so a lot of people from the early days were interested in games before anime. Additionally the game section (once AnimeSuki formed its own forum) was just for anime related games. It has grown in scope since.Regarding the games subforum, I will have a question.
I just noticed that the forum ID for that section is 33. I don't know the first active year of the forum. But, if Animesuki was originally a part of a game related site, why did you wait too long, nearly one-year to form that forum, if the interest was already there when you formed this site? It is rather surprising, I would have expected it to be created earlier than the Naruto forum...
NightWish
2007-09-26, 17:54
Those numbers don't mean anything. No conspiracy here.
This version of the forum was initially created in the last quarter of 2003 when we switched the software from Burning Board to vBulletin. Not sure if the archive of the old software is still online, but the forums were all created from scratch in this software at that point, to closely match the old forum. They were not created in the original chronological order.
Note the first post dates are only one day apart: 2003-11-04 (Naruto) and 2003-11-05 (Games). The original forum would have been created around December 2002 or January 2003 (I forget which), probably by copying the database of the original EmulatorZone forum and creating new/different forums specific to AnimeSuki. The EZ forum has existed since around 2001-01-17 (I'm guessing here based on GHDpro's "registration" date).
NoSanninWa
2007-09-27, 03:34
Actually, NightWish, you're somewhat mistaken. While your facts about reorg of AnimeSuki's database are all accurate, your history is somewhat lacking.
When AnimeSuki was split off from the EZ Forum back in the dawn of history it did not have a Games Forum. Although much of the userbase had an interest in games, we felt that we should focus on Anime and asked those interested in games to discuss it on other forums, like EZ. Finally, probably after about a year, we caved in to our member's interests and created a forum for anime related games. After all, there was definitely a strong relation to anime. We tried for a while to limit it to anime related games only, but finally surrendered to the inevitable and allowed our members to discuss all games there.
I suppose it is not impossible that we would eventually surrender to a desire for discussing LA just as we did about Games, but there is one big difference between the situations now and then. Back then we were comparatively small with only a few distinct forums. Heck, we didn't have individual series discussions, a separate Unaired Forum, Suggestions Forum or many of the other discussion forums that we have today. Back then we had a lot of room for growth. Small forums like to grow. Now we are so humongous that growth is not desirable. We'd have to be convinced that this new growth is truly advantageous to our future.
If we decide to take on live action, then it will grow and force us to become an even larger forum. For the love of god, please just go to HongFire (http://hongfire.com/forum/) or D-Addicts (http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/) if you want to discuss Live Action. Their membership is far more knowlegable about it than we are and you'll find tons of people who want to discuss it with you. D-Addicts will not only allow you to discuss it, they also host torrents! How can we possibly compete with that unless we open DoramaSuki? :D
Not sure if the archive of the old software is still online, but the forums were all created from scratch in this software at that point, to closely match the old forum.Just checked the old link (http://conversion.animesuki.com/BurningBoard/). Nope, the archive is no longer there. :(
Keeping an outdated version of old bulletin board software online is like asking for your server to be hacked. Or at least, I felt it wasn't a good thing to keep it around.
But here is a snapshot of the EZ forum from February 2003, when AnimeSuki was still part of it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20030218210114/http://forums.emulator-zone.com/
And here is a snapshot of the initial AS forum from June 2003, just prior to the first backups "issue":
http://web.archive.org/web/20030618073049/http://forums.animesuki.com/
In November 2003 the forum server had it's first backup issue, wiping out 3 months worth of posts. since we were also going to convert over to vBulletin, it was decided to keep only the user accounts and nothing else. Hence why my registration date is still dates back from the EZ forum.
NightWish
2007-09-27, 04:47
Actually, NightWish, you're somewhat mistaken. While your facts about reorg of AnimeSuki's database are all accurate, your history is somewhat lacking.Ah! You're right. :o I couldn't remember a time when the section didn't exist, so my memory must be faulty. The post times convinced me I was right, but I've just realised that is as flawed as the forum ID when trying to working out when it started life. It would appear the earliest record of the forum (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://forums.animesuki.com) is March 2004, though it could have been created any time after December 3rd 2003. So, I take back my previous assertions, they were mistaken.
Not creating it immediately after splitting from a game forum would make a lot more sense. It would have been silly to keep a pale imitation of the previous forum hanging around. I assume those first posts I was looking at were moved out of their original locations when the new forum was created; which makes sense now I think about it, as that is what we would do if a Live Action forum were needed now.
NoSanninWa
2007-09-27, 05:11
Well you weren't a mod back then so it could have easily slipped beneath your notice. GHDpro, xris and I were very concerned with the matter. ;)
I suppose it is not impossible that we would eventually surrender to a desire for discussing LA just as we did about Games, but there is one big difference between the situations now and then. Back then we were comparatively small with only a few distinct forums. Heck, we didn't have individual series discussions, a separate Unaired Forum, Suggestions Forum or many of the other discussion forums that we have today. Back then we had a lot of room for growth. Small forums like to grow. Now we are so humongous that growth is not desirable. We'd have to be convinced that this new growth is truly advantageous to our future.
^ Interesting statement you have there...
Are you saying that you are reluctant to do any sort of, let's say closing/merging/re-locating operations on what are forums on the board?
Are they really that special!? or important :D :heh:
In my eyes, what is the forum-home complex is nothing but a thread of the AnimeSuki main site. Categories are threads, with Forums as threads inside it... Threads/sub-Forums in forums are threads inside that... Topics are threads inside Threads or sub-Forums... Posts are threads inside Topics... Replies are threads inside Posts... Ideas are threads inside Replies etc etc
As far as I'm concern the level of possible separation is always the same regardless of your intent or the current level of order. It's not like people are going to get any less smarter if you don't create a section, or any smarter should you do. This is really nothing more then a style issue, or at least that's how it sounds like you're making it. (I'm not saying it's not a fair argument against it)
NoSanninWa
2007-09-27, 16:46
We've recently reorganized the threads and forums on our board as you are aware. That is rather different from creating a forum to venture into a new field. My examples of our growth were only intended to show how we've had to add more forums just to organize our threads into more distinct categories as a result of so much discussion.
Please don't try to distract the discussion through such semantics. My point remains that we are large and don't need to become even larger by encouraging discussion of live action which might eventually get subdivided into separate forums for TV series and movies or subbbed and unsubbed. And what about Japanese movies adapted into English movies like the Ringu and Battle Royale? That deserves at least a single thread, right? Then there is the question about why dorama subbers prefer srt files and do crappy encoding while anime subbers prefer to encode the video and subtitles together and try to make smaller video files. Should Chinese, Korean and Japanese dramas get separate forums? Will we allow/encourage PVs or AVs?
Sure, it is quite possible that our live action forum would never become popular enough to cause us to expand or reorganize it. But why not leave such things in the hands of forums that specialize in the subject? Why should this be part of AnimeSuki? If you can tell me why our forum should have such a forum then you'd be saying something worthwhile. Why shouldn't we direct people interested in the topic to HongFire (http://hongfire.com/forum/) and D-Addicts (http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/)?
Irwin1138
2007-09-30, 09:48
Well, because there is a possibility (though very small) that ppl who want LA forum will just start new threads and\or chat at the existing ones, and number of these cases will grow, and when you at last decide to create LA subsection youll have to reorganize all this mess of threads? :)
Irwin, think of it this way: In forums like Naruto, Bleach, Claymore etc threre is a huge mess to do with the anime and manga discussion's bumping heads... There is probably more manga discussion then anime in there or at least room for more of the other. Do you see a Naruto Manga forum being created any time soon?. ^_^
Irwin1138
2007-09-30, 13:46
Cats, but hey, thats not the point 8) There IS a manga forum, and the reason why they post in wrong one could be anything, like forum rules and\or moderators allow it, or like you cant actually split posts, cause there are posts which include anime AND manga discussion, etc. 8)
Aoie_Emesai
2007-10-02, 00:23
Cats, but hey, thats not the point 8) There IS a manga forum, and the reason why they post in wrong one could be anything, like forum rules and\or moderators allow it, or like you cant actually split posts, cause there are posts which include anime AND manga discussion, etc. 8)
It's difficult to prevent users from discussing the anime of one and the manga version since they both are used for references.
Irwin1138
2007-10-03, 15:58
Thats what Im saying.
LoweGear
2009-04-15, 01:44
While Animesuki is a forum dedicated to anime, it's also been home to other kinds of discussions as well. Given that we already have a forum dedicated to music, which doesn't have to be about anime, was kinda wondering on something for a long time now...
Why don't we have a forum on Live Action shows? Like J-Dramas, K-Dramas, Tokusatsu, and other live action shows... They are kinda related to anime in general afterall.
Thoughts and opinions appreciated.
That's why it is good to search (http://forums.animesuki.com/search.php) before creating a new discussion thread, to see if the same question has been asked before :)
Feel free to post about live-action series (not here but in their respective threads), once we see an actual increase in activity then we might consider it but at the moment there seems little point in creating such a sub-forum. See replies in this thread for other reasons but for example it seems we have more discussion on Hollywood movies than live-action yet we do not have a sub-forum for Hollywood movies.
If you are wondering where you should discuss such topics then a search (http://forums.animesuki.com/search.php) would have found you this answer.
Yes. If it's been listed on AnimeSuki then the thread should be in the Fansubbed forum (or the Licensed forum but I don't think any have been licenced yet), otherwise live-action discussion threads go in the General Chat forum. Don't forget to search (http://forums.animesuki.com/search.php) to see if there is an existing thread on the topic first of all.
On a semi-related note [read: i'm too lazy to make a new thread], I've noticed that animesuki in the past has served torrents for jdrama ( http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/660.html )
Has the policy for jdrama torrents changed at all? Aka is there a reason that jdrama torrents tracked by scarywater don't show up on asuki?
On a semi-related note [read: i'm too lazy to make a new thread], I've noticed that animesuki in the past has served torrents for jdrama ( http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/660.html )
Has the policy for jdrama torrents changed at all? Aka is there a reason that jdrama torrents tracked by scarywater don't show up on asuki?
Listing policy (http://www.animesuki.com/doc.php/listing_policy.html):
On occasion AnimeSuki staff may choose to list live action (non-anime) shows on the site. To qualify a live action show needs to be based on a recent popular anime or manga, where "recent" is from the past 15 years or so, and "popular" means it's reasonbly well known among either the Western and/or Japanese fan community (ie: not obscure).
(Emphasis mine).
My guess is that while the staff may allow a few live-action torrents, the focus is meant to be on subbed anime. Thus, it's at their discretion as to whether a live-action work is listed.
In most cases, any live-action discussion is that of a popular series that has its own subforum (*most* cases). A live-action discussion thread might be appropriate within that subforum (rather like the CD/DVD/merchandise thread).
I don't really have a good solution for single thread series that are adapted to live-action though. I know a few people that rabidly follow doramas and their korean/chinese equivalents, for example, but they head to other forums that focus on those...
I know a few people that rabidly follow doramas and their korean/chinese equivalents, for example, but they head to other forums that focus on those...Simply put there is very low signal reception for live-action at animesuki; I could think of a few cases like Shinigami no Ballad where nobody ever replied. This is for the most part the reason we do not have them and the logical support for the "animesuki is not everything for everyone" reasoning not to have them.
It is the same with a lot of anime series. Some of the 1-thread series would appear to be watched by more people then some of the forum ones, but signals from them are not received well (read: very slow discussion, few people actually saying anything special) so they are stuck as threads.
As with most things there is what is called "improvised solution" (threads here and there etc); and forums are pretty good at it, though I wouldn't go as far to call it a strong point. Quality is more important then quantity and, in this case, the "packaging".
Ahh.. thanks @ Fahd. I didn't notice that paragraph when skimming that page the first time.
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