Higurashi Kai Episode 1 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

xris

2007-07-05, 03:01

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herbert

2007-07-05, 03:03

It is time. I almost forgot. Its just time for Rena strike back. More blood please.

Daniel E.

2007-07-05, 03:17

The killer lolis are back, Yaaay! :D

Still haven't checked the promo, and I am pretty much in the dark about everything else; But boy, have I been wishing for this show to start. :)

johnishida

2007-07-05, 06:02

I just checked the promo which, by the way, it would fit a Hollywood Movie Promo perfectly!

The promo also stated which chapter it will follow. Can't wait!

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-07-05, 07:05

Garet Linegod

2007-07-05, 07:35

wow I almost forgot that this week is the premiere of the second season!!
I'm still watching the first season, but I guess I'll skip on to this one...or maybe I should just catch up with the first season...hhmmm
But I'll be looking forward to watching this first episode though.:D

I strongly suggest you finish the first season first, otherwise it could get a little confusing later on. :)

It's finally going to start tomorrow, looking very much forward to it. One thing I definitely hope they can improve on is the music department, as the horror music simply doesn't fit in the final two chapters (just as it didn't fit in the climax scene in the last episode of first series). ;)

Klashikari

2007-07-05, 07:40

wow I almost forgot that this week is the premiere of the second season!!
I'm still watching the first season, but I guess I'll skip on to this one...or maybe I should just catch up with the first season...hhmmm
But I'll be looking forward to watching this first episode though.:D

i agree with garet on this matter : you should definitely finish season 1 first.
not only it will be confusing, but it will also ruin your "experience", and somes "answers" in season 2 won't always affect you. (since you probably won't have every questions in mind)

geh... gotta stalk the usual "raw haven" :heh:

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-07-05, 07:47

i agree with garet on this matter : you should definitely finish season 1 first.
not only it will be confusing, but it will also ruin your "experience", and somes "answers" in season 2 won't always affect you. (since you probably won't have every questions in mind)

geh... gotta stalk the usual "raw haven" :heh:

I strongly suggest you finish the first season first, otherwise it could get a little confusing later on. :)

It's finally going to start tomorrow, looking very much forward to it. One thing I definitely hope they can improve on is the music department, as the horror music simply doesn't fit in the final two chapters (just as it didn't fit in the climax scene in the last episode of first series). ;)

OK, thanks for the advice then guys...I guess I won't be checking out episode 1 of season 2 of Higurashi anytime soon then...thanks though for the advice.:)

Sinestra

2007-07-05, 07:51

Bring on the blood please i dont have a creepy violent death pshychological thriller series im watching at the moment and Higurashi could fill that void quite well.

kingsky123

2007-07-05, 08:40

huh? its out already?i thought monday..

Garet Linegod

2007-07-05, 09:24

Bring on the blood please i dont have a creepy violent death pshychological thriller series im watching at the moment and Higurashi could fill that void quite well.

Many (non-japanese) people seems to have the wrong idea that Higurashi no Naku koro ni is all about blood and pyscho murder horror. It's true that they're some of the elements which made Higurashi stand out, but they are not really the main focus of the series.

So for those who are watching this simply for the body-torning and blood-gashing scenes, you might be a little disappointed in the second series. :heh:

(Though I wouldn't know about the first arc, since it's an anime-original chapter. Who knows, you might be able to see Rena dicing and slicing bodies again. :D)

KaneDragon

2007-07-05, 10:48

Just returned from today's Frontier Works event featuring a screening of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai Episode 1.

Today's guests were Ryuukishi 07 (creator of the original doujin game and supervisor of the anime series), Nakahara Mai (Rena), and the duo anNina (artist for the ending song). Inoue Kikuko (Mion/Shion's mother) was present for the CLANNAD stage, but didn't appear in the Higurashi event.

For the second season, Ryuukishi 07 personally requested the producers to add the original Yakusamashi-hen prior to the two answer arcs, as to complement the abridged/missing plotlines from the first season.

The opening song, "Naraku no Hana" by Shimamiya Eiko, is a powerful song, but lacks the eerie atmosphere present in the first season. The opening sequence focuses on Rika and Hanyuu, probably a precursor of what to come. Interesting shots of Takano and Rika are worth noting.

The ending song. "Taishou a" by the duo anNina, is a luscious ballad. Although the female vocalist Annabel is half Argentinean, she doesn't sing in English (or Spanish for the matter), unlike the first ending song (which probably doesn't qualify as English anyways). For the ending sequence, Rika and Hanyuu caught my attention once again.

Episode 1 of the Yakusamashi arc is basically comic relief. The episode centers on the zombie tag (onigokko) scene at school, which is depicted quite true to the game.

We get to see some new scenes, such as:
Satoko inoculating herself with the serum/antidote (fanservice galore).
Rika drinking wine, disguised as grape juice.
Shion transferring to the same school as the gang, upon Satoshi's request to look over Satoko.
Rika talking to Hanyuu (not depicted).
Rika's recollection of the past.

The onigokko scene was so hilarious, I had trouble controlling myself. The nature of the schoolchildren's lies to lure Keiichi out of hiding, Rena's sex appeal, Keiichi's boner, Satoko and Rika's maid cosplay, Keiichi's swan suit, etc.

Topping it all was Irie's dramatic entrance, followed by the introduction of Takano and Ouishi Tomitake. Things start to take a turn for the dramatic towards the end.

In hindsight, the Yakusamashi-hen serves as the filler arc, interwining portions of the question arcs, and subtly adding hints which will lead up to the remaining two answer arcs.

The artwork for Episode 1 was stunningly amazing, not that I had any problems with the first season by Deen. The comedy-centered episode featured extensive SD shots. I just hope the artwork can remain consistent at this level for the remainder of the series.

Upon seeing Episode 1, any reservations I held for the second season was for naught.
Looks like blood has to wait for another day. :p

MrZombie

2007-07-05, 10:55

I can not wait.

kingsky123

2007-07-05, 11:52

i dont think anyone who posts here can wait =P

Sinestra

2007-07-05, 12:02

i dont think anyone who posts here can wait =P

If anyone says patience is a virture im going to go Rena on them:D

Miko Miko

2007-07-05, 12:11

If anyone says patience is a virture im going to go Rena on them:D

patience is a virtue (ill go Shion on you, Rena)
^^ Not really.
I Can't Wait Either!! :D it airs Tomorrow! :D :D :D :D

harukamae

2007-07-05, 12:15

Many (non-japanese) people seems to have the wrong idea that Higurashi no Naku koro ni is all about blood and pyscho murder horror. It's true that they're some of the elements which made Higurashi stand out, but they are not really the main focus of the series.

So for those who are watching this simply for the body-torning and blood-gashing scenes, you might be a little disappointed in the second series. :heh:

(Though I wouldn't know about the first arc, since it's an anime-original chapter. Who knows, you might be able to see Rena dicing and slicing bodies again. :D)

I agree with you on that (for me, it's all about the mystery), but I'm interested to hear what you believe is the main focus or appeal of Higurashi? (Just curious!)

Xel

2007-07-05, 12:46

Sweet.

I've been very careful to avoid any spoilers, haven't even watched the trailer. I can't believe it's finally here!

In the first episode, I'm really looking foward to the improved animation quality and seeing the new opening and ending.

Garet Linegod

2007-07-05, 13:02

I agree with you on that (for me, it's all about the mystery), but I'm interested to hear what you believe is the main focus or appeal of Higurashi? (Just curious!)

Like you said, I believe the main focus of it is all about mysteries as well, but it stands out by posing questions which are different from other conventional mystery ones (e.g. who's the murderer, how he/she did it etc) for you to solve. Won't go into them too much since they're all spoilers, but I found them very unique. Finding answers to these questions are probably what most viewers find themselves do while watching the series.

Ice Climbers

2007-07-05, 13:26

YES IT'S FINALLY OUT, I CANT WAIT TO HEAR THE OP (liked it in the trailer) :heh:

Expecting another great season ;)

Rasuberi

2007-07-05, 14:23

Just watched the opening. ：O　I wanna watch it over and over already!　XO Now to see the actual episode, haha.　

Miko Miko

2007-07-05, 14:35

i really want the RAW too, even if i can't "Understand" it.
xD i cant wait i am listening to the opening! :D

Rasuberi

2007-07-05, 14:41

Haha someone already uploaded the OP in reverse. XD　I wish I lived in Japan, as I usually wish. I could have seen the whole episode already!

EDもゲットだぜ！

Haha the ending was nice too. Though as some people commented, a bit yuri-feeling.

Enerccio

2007-07-05, 14:47

Opening is cool!!!!!

HANYUUUUUUUUUU

Man I want raws... really fast... or I might kill someone....:upset::upset::eyespin::eyespin:

Sushi-Y

2007-07-05, 15:08

The OP was really nice, I loved the transition from the quietness to the full-speed chorus. Rika's desperate dash matched the image of the song excellently as well.

I loled at how the comments on the niconico video are filled with people who are skipping school and work. That and it's swamped with english comments (now there's going to be a billion 外人自重 (restrain yourselve gaijin) comments...)

edit: the tags are getting funny, 外人も熱狂 (gaijins are wild over this too) :heh:

If only I didn't have to work today...

Rasuberi

2007-07-05, 15:16

They finally put out part 1 of the episode on niconico. ＞＿＿＜； Imma die!　いや、もう死んだ! And soon I'm supposed to have a mini phone lesson with the college I'm learning Japanese at this year. =__=;;; Need to watch quickly!

Shinndou

2007-07-05, 15:28

The first part is stuck at 00:54, lol. Everybody in the comment box is whining about it, haha.

Enerccio

2007-07-05, 15:32

Yeah I saw that... DAMMMIT!:mad::upset::frustrated::upset:

Rasuberi

2007-07-05, 15:34

Here we go.

Enerccio

2007-07-05, 15:36

I really hope this one works... thank you sooo much...

Shiosai

2007-07-05, 16:17

So Akasaka Mamoru is back with a vengeance, eh?

also
http://students.washington.edu/vegita/20yrRena.jpg

Sushi-Y

2007-07-05, 16:25

Done watching first episode.

Content wise, the first part was practically the animated equivalent of the TIP "Demon's Script", which came after the end of Tsumihoroboshi-hen. Hence, as of this point, we can say that the first episode takes place in the Tsumihoroboshi-hen world (30 years later).

The only difference came after the CM, where the adult Rena (43~44歳にしてはすげえ美人じゃない?) made an appearance. Rena's accounts are mostly hole-fillers for the stuff they missed out on Tsumihoroboshi-hen in the first season.

Overall, this episode did well to shift the focus onto Rika. The "truth" hasn't been revealed yet, and I don't think it will until Minagoroshi-hen. For those of us who already know everything, it's a little hard to not "slip up" and start spoiling things. But for those people who are still in the dark, they're in for an amazing ride.

Nothing too surprising, but the sakuga quality is super good. Good to see the "dead fish eye" is still around too /sarcasm. :heh:

*Goes to check amazon for the OP single CD*

Rasuberi

2007-07-05, 16:26

Aha, yeah Rena turned out quite pretty. Still pretty crazy though, I could barely watch her. It was sad in a strange way? Either way I can't wait for things to really start. ; P 赤坂かけええ～！

Katsu Koneko

2007-07-05, 16:27

So Akasaka Mamoru is back with a vengeance, eh?

also
http://students.washington.edu/vegita/20yrRena.jpg

So is that Oishi with Rena?

Kanon_

2007-07-05, 16:37

The new opening is really nice, I already love that song :love:

I'll wait for subs to watch the episode, the wait is going to be hard, especially after seeing that pic of Rena (she looks hot ! )

Shiosai

2007-07-05, 16:39

So is that Oishi with Rena?

Yes, he's asking her about what happened to her when she went nuts in the last story of the first season.

Katsu Koneko

2007-07-05, 16:44

Ah, thanks so much. ^^

I loved the new opening too~ Although I have yet to watch the video of it instead of just music.

Sushi-Y

2007-07-05, 16:50

(she looks hot ! )
Note: 43 years old :heh:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/Sushi-Y/re1.jpg

Klashikari

2007-07-05, 17:02

Shiosai? can you (or anyone else) confirm it is really 3 years later?
i think i heard 30 (well, 3 looks really too low, especially how everyone were much older than before oO. and there are numerous amount of random comments, trying to guess her age within 40 years old range (38, 40, 46, etc) :heh:)

EDIT : oh well, sushi confirmed my thoughts.
but wait... since they tell she is 43, do they specify how many years it has been passed between the disaster and the "present"? it might answer to the big mystery : how old are the main characters? *_*
Or the 43 is an estimated age too? (well, i would hardly buy the fact Rena was 13 during tsumi heh...)

well then, superficial thoughts :
The OP is, IMO, fantastic : i loved how the scenes switched on the pace of the song. Lots of powerful scenes to say the least.
Something thrown directly at our faces : the details of the Background, and facial expressions. It is really hard to believe that Season 1 and 2 were done by the same studio
Extremely Dialogue heavy, the mood itself is pretty much what i was expecting, and fits well the Demon Script TIPS. (do they explain how Rena survived?)
The camera angles were, just like in season 1, really effective. Most of the scenes involving adult Rena are well portrayed to me.
The seiyuu have made a nice work on their voices. Ooishi has REALLY subtle tones of a grandpa, though he wasn't especially too rough. Rena is very different from her usual self, and gives a lot of sorrow vibes. However, i didn't really catch lots of "old man" tones in Akasaka's voice. might try to watch again Himatsubushi ~~
the ED was peaceful and really calm. Lots of powerful scenes once again ^___^The start looks promising, i'm waiting for the subs, not without uneasiness though ^^"

and, final note of course : Rena is damn sexy :love:

Kanon_

2007-07-05, 17:25

Note: 43 years old :heh:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/Sushi-Y/re1.jpg

43 years old is fine too, especially since she looks like she's 25 :heh:

I can't remember any other character looking that good in the previous season, did they change the chara design?

Nightengale

2007-07-05, 17:37

Wait, wait...Episode 1 is 30 years after the events of Tsumihoboroshi-hen...right?

What happened to the rest of the cast?

Side-note, the OP is addictive, especially when paired with the visuals and pacing. Superb.

Shiosai

2007-07-05, 17:37

Shiosai? can you (or anyone else) confirm it is really 3 years later?
Sorry, I was so excited about new higu I couldn't type :D

Shiosai

2007-07-05, 17:39

Wait, wait...Episode 1 is 30 years after the events of Tsumihoboroshi-hen...right?

What happened to the rest of the cast?
They'll be in episode 2 I believe. This first episode was sort of a prelude to fill in some of the holes DEEN left out and to set the mood for the show.

Klashikari

2007-07-05, 17:50

Wait, wait...Episode 1 is 30 years after the events of Tsumihoboroshi-hen...right?

What happened to the rest of the cast?

Shiosai pretty much nailed the point : it will probably be told in ep2 (or maybe it was already the case? Ooishi was talking about everyone, when he was asking his question to Rena)

but most likely, you can got your answer in the Demon's Script TIPS (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=689296&postcount=133) which is the aftermath of Tsumihoroboshi. (this is the main reason why Yakusamashi is for, since they didn't bother to animate this TIPS in season 1)
The TIPS can also be used as a "translation summary", since ep1 pretty much follows it.

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-05, 18:02

I'm confused...according to another poster who went to an advanced screening...the whole cast is in the first episode.O_O His post is quoted in the first page of this thread.

Klashikari

2007-07-05, 18:11

Well, it appears that the special screening was not the first episode after all.
we will probably see it in the future.

White Manju Bun

2007-07-05, 19:14

Oh man I cannot wait for this, I want to dl the raw so bad but I think Ill actual wait XD I cant for blood and craziness to infect my brain again!!

Chibi_Faerie

2007-07-05, 19:58

*Waits eagerly for sub so she can comment on episode one of new season... Opening theme already moves her as it feels different from season one already* I was eager to see, and by the sounds of what Sushi said it's going to be great with this new chapter to fill the holes from the previous season. Till I can watch it all I can do is have the opening theme on loop O.o... over and over weeeee~Desu

aroduc

2007-07-05, 20:02

Here's the OP for the curious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h-pXalZodg

And cappery of the first ep.
http://blog.seiha.org/?p=175

Rias

2007-07-05, 21:02

I still don't get why Rika saved Rena, or actually how she survived to this day. I suspect that Rika would probably reveal the motive in Minagoroshi-hen, but it's still quite amazing that Rena has survived for 30 years...

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-05, 21:25

Does it specifically state she is 43? Because there is no way she could only have been 13 back then.>_>;

BakaOnna

2007-07-05, 21:31

It seems that a group called anon is doing speed sub for it, and they're releasing it in mkv. Is this confirmed or are they a new group?

Anyway, I can't wait to see this. Looks promising.

Cyz

2007-07-05, 21:52

And to add more to this fever, here's screenshots (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/07/05/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-01/) of episode 1 courtesy of Random Curiosity. As always, look at it at your own risk!!!
So it is an older Rena. Hmm, still look psycho IMO :heehee:

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-05, 22:11

Crow censorship.>_>;

karumofin

2007-07-05, 22:19

soooo... is anyone planning to sub this even?

Kaioshin Sama

2007-07-05, 22:35

The opening sounds indescribably better in the actualy show than it did in the trailer. You really get more of the instrumentals and the full force of it here then with the awkard mixing in the PV. I especially like the part at the end with the mechnical sort of sound. There's a sense of urgency in the whole thing like they've got to get things right this time. It's still not as good as the first one though, but not terrible like I thought it was from the trailer.

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-05, 22:46

Does it specifically state she is 43? Because there is no way she could only have been 13 back then.>_>;

Doesn't anyone know?O_O

Rias

2007-07-05, 22:53

Doesn't anyone know?O_O

The original age of the characters has always been a mystery, just like the question

"Why is Mion always walking around with her gun"

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-05, 22:53

Then...Why is everyone stating she is 43 in that scene?O_O

sagematt

2007-07-05, 22:57

It seems no one has pointed out that it's been almost 30 years since Akasaka's visit at Hinamizawa. This episode is actually set roughly 22 years after Tsumihoroboshi's events.

Nemesis2124

2007-07-05, 23:25

Before anyone else wastes their time; the sub currently listed on A-Suki isn't real.

kagato3

2007-07-05, 23:25

It seems that a group called anon is doing speed sub for it, and they're releasing it in mkv. Is this confirmed or are they a new group?

Anyway, I can't wait to see this. Looks promising.

Anon's "speed sub" has turnd out to just be a raw with a single line fake subed at the start.

Maids! Maids! Maids!

2007-07-05, 23:29

Anon's "speed sub" has turnd out to just be a raw with a single line fake subed at the start.

Anonymous always releases the .ass file beforehand. The fact that there wasn't one, despite frequent requests (and demands), was reason for suspicion.

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-05, 23:50

That time still would not fit in with her age being 43, though.O_O

Sushi-Y

2007-07-06, 00:17

It seems no one has pointed out that it's been almost 30 years since Akasaka's visit at Hinamizawa. This episode is actually set roughly 22 years after Tsumihoroboshi's events.
Ah, good point.

But actually, Akasaka's visit to Hinamizawa (Himatsubushi-hen) took place 5 years before 1983, it's actually 25 years after the events of Tsumihoroboshi-hen. Which means she's really around... 38? here

Still, Rena doesn't look like she's any older than 25 in this episode...

As for how the number 13 came up, that is assuming Rena is a second grader in middle school (equivalent of grade 8 in Western high schools).
One of the reason for this belief is because it was mentioned in the game that Mion (who is a year older than Keiichi and Rena) is an exam student (someone who is in the last year of middle or high school, which means he/she will be taking an entry exam at the end of the year to determine which high school/university he/she will advance onto).
Although their age was never confirmed, there were some references from the various game chapters that points to Keiichi, Rena, and Mion being middle schoolers (for example, during Taraimawashi-hen, Keiichi lied about how he became friends with a girl their age in Okinomiya, and Rena responded by saying she doesn't know of any middle schools in Okinomiya) (and it makes sense visually too, they look too young to be high school students).
Therefore, it's assumed that Keiichi and Rena is in second grade of middle school, while Mion is a third grader.

Rika and Satoko are almost definitely in the elementary grades. A few of the ending credits in the game (ones that show who died and how they died) displayed Rika and Satoko's age in single digit, which automatically makes them too young to be in middle school.

Shadow Miko

2007-07-06, 00:36

Hanyuu looks so awesome and the opening song is so sad. Kai looks promising.

Rias

2007-07-06, 00:41

Although their age was never confirmed, there were some references from the various game chapters that points to Keiichi, Rena, and Mion being middle schoolers (for example, during Taraimawashi-hen, Keiichi lied about how he became friends with a girl their age in Okinomiya, and Rena responded by saying she doesn't know of any middle schools in Okinomiya) (and it makes sense visually too, they look too young to be high school students).
Therefore, it's assumed that Keiichi and Rena is in second grade of middle school, while Mion is a third grader.

Rika and Satoko are almost definitely in the elementary grades. A few of the ending credits in the game (ones that show who died and how they died) displayed Rika and Satoko's age in single digit, which automatically makes them too young to be in middle school.

Yet in Miotsukushi-hen it's pretty much confirmed that Mion/Keiichi/Rena are high school students...but that could just be the setting for Miotsukushi-hen alone:heh:

sagematt

2007-07-06, 00:55

Ah, good point.

But actually, Akasaka's visit to Hinamizawa (Himatsubushi-hen) took place 5 years before 1983, it's actually 25 years after the events of Tsumihoroboshi-hen. Which means she's really around... 38? here

No no, this episode should be set on Summer 2005 (according to Demon's Script), so it really is 22 years after the events of Tsumihoroboshi-hen, and thus, 27 years after Akasaka's visit (I did say "almost 30 years").

Which means Rena is 35. Still smoking hot for her late thirties, though :heh:

Eleutheria

2007-07-06, 01:02

Sushi-Y

2007-07-06, 01:06

Yet in Miotsukushi-hen it's pretty much confirmed that Mion/Keiichi/Rena are high school students...but that could just be the setting for Miotsukushi-hen alone:heh:
I know. I think there's a part where Mion mentioned she want to go to the same university as Keiichi...

But anyway, my personal setting has them as middle schoolers. :heh:
No no, this episode should be set on Summer 2005 (according to Demon's Script), so it really is 22 years after the events of Tsumihoroboshi-hen, and thus, 27 years after Akasaka's visit (I did say "almost 30 years").

Which means Rena is 35. Still smoking hot for her late thirties, though :heh:
I wasn't really thinking about the TIP, since they don't necessarily have to follow that. Akasaka said it's been 30 years, so that's what I assume.
Either way, it doesn't really matter. All that matters is that it's been "a long time" since the end of the disaster.
It's been quite a while since I finished playing Matsuribayashi-hen, but Higurashi Rei is still sitting on my desk :/

I don't remember adult Rena being alive in the Devil's Script, but I suppose it's not that much of a stretch...someone like her could definitely have evaded the disaster.
You should definitely play Rei, it's a beautiful story. Who knew a perfect world could be so... wrong.

If we follow the game's plot after Tsumihoroboshi-hen, Rena dies too along with the rest of her friends in the gas disaster. But I suppose it wouldn't matter much, since it's a "bad ending" world either way.

Oh yeah, the next week preview... um, I mean "Oshiete! Dark Rika Corner!" was a killer. :heh:

Problem from Teppei: "Maybe because I'm losing hair, but it has been difficult to perm my hair recently. What can I do?"
Dark Rika: "Why don't you try transplanting some of your hairs from down below?"

Teppei☆wwww

chrno_the_sinner

2007-07-06, 01:06

It's been quite a while since I finished playing Matsuribayashi-hen, but Higurashi Rei is still sitting on my desk :/

I don't remember adult Rena being alive in the Devil's Script, but I suppose it's not that much of a stretch...someone like her could definitely have evaded the disaster.

She wasn't. But it was necessary in order to get that Rika/Rena trailer scene in.

I really hope Rule X, Y, and Z get explanations, but I won't hold my breath.

harukamae

2007-07-06, 01:21

Oh man, just finished watching this. Very nice way to link the two seasons together and I definately like the animation better in this one! Love Naraku no Hana as well...and...and... auauau *esplodes*

Sorry I needed to get that out of my system! ^^

FlareKnight

2007-07-06, 01:43

Well I guess it wouldn't be that big a stretch for Rena to survive. After what went down she'd probably be arrested. Taken out of the area for questioning and then you have your way to survive. Or at least that's how it might've seemed from my impression.

It may have been a fake sub...but hell if I wasn't going to at least watch the episode anyways :).

Well nice first episode to get things rolling at least. Have to agree Rena doesn't look out of her 20s regardless of her actual age and looks great :). Even if for obvious reasons she's pretty messed up. Though how anyone couldn't be after all that happened and then your friends all getting killed...just sad.

Maids! Maids! Maids!

2007-07-06, 02:05

Have to agree Rena doesn't look out of her 20s regardless of her actual age and looks great :).

Do you think she looks that much younger than Akane?
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7316/43renaia9.th.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=43renaia9.jpg) http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7730/akanece2.th.jpg (http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=akanece2.jpg)

Daniel E.

2007-07-06, 02:13

Hmmm, the new intro is nice, but I still prefer the one from the first season. >_< !

kj1980

2007-07-06, 02:16

Excellent OP I agree! The part where Rika starts running along to the lyrics "nukedashite" (run and break free) matches so eloquently to the theme of Rika's strong desire to break loose of her fate.

They did a really good job to start off the second season from the tidbits that most gamers felt that was lacking in the first season of the anime; the Demon's Script (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=689296&postcount=133) and Rika's mysterious appearance to save Rena from her insanity in Tsumihoroboshi.

And my, my. Rena looks sexier after all these years!!

Shadow Miko

2007-07-06, 02:31

I don't mean to sound shallow and off topic but. Akasaka used to be pretty hot. Now he's just...

kingsky123

2007-07-06, 02:54

i wanna see the uber fight scene at the last few episodes, since the animation got such a huge improvement :)

Garet Linegod

2007-07-06, 04:12

i wanna see the uber fight scene at the last few episodes, since the animation got such a huge improvement :)

Agreed. Looking forward to a much better climax than the roof top scene in Tsumihoroboshi of the first series.

dspr8_rugged

2007-07-06, 06:17

Adult Rena = MILF. :D

Thisguy

2007-07-06, 06:49

i wanna see the uber fight scene at the last few episodes, since the animation got such a huge improvement :)Now that it's mentioned, I wonder which side of events will be animated more than other...
I'd shit out if certain person's kicking-ass scene had been animated, but it's been repeatedly said that Anime Kai has it's own story...

aliensporebomb

2007-07-06, 07:10

Well the fake sub had me fooled but the jokes' on them because I got to see the raw.

-Late thirties/early forties Rena: MEOW! Oh yeah!

The OP and the ED themes are interesting but don't have quite the psycho energy
and urgency of the first seasons - I'm sure they'lll grow on me. The interest was in
the animation and seeing some of the characters behaviors. Interesting.

iczelion74

2007-07-06, 07:45

Ok so ep one was the Demo Script verbatim, so I guess we are moving into Minagoroshi-hen in ep 2 right?

Also is the "big secret" Rika's repetition of the summer of 83, or is there something else beyond that. I read up on the game after the end of 1st season and I cant remember exactly what I'm supposed to know at this point TV series wise. The TV series hasnt mentioned Rika's ground hog day syndrome right?

MarthX

2007-07-06, 07:56

Amazing episode. I hope the series maintains this quality throughout the entire 24 episodes.

FreedomMS

2007-07-06, 07:57

wait...The one in animesuki that is subbed by hauu is fake?

karumofin

2007-07-06, 08:26

um... scrolling thorugh it actually seems to be real...

WanderingKnight

2007-07-06, 08:48

The Hauu one is real, although a bit on the low-quality side (mostly video, I didn't notice anything wrong with the translation).

purplefinch

2007-07-06, 09:07

I thought the anon sub was real at first..until I started reading it was fake but still downloaded anyways hehe.

Anyways, episode 1...good, good. Since it was 30 years after..1978. Then add and you get 2008. Lets just say Rena was..mm..14 in 1983 now subtract age until you get to 1978(5 years apart=9 in 1978), then lets say she was born in 1969, subtract 1969 from 2008 and Rena is 39. I had one problem with older Rena, she still sounded like she was 14 lol. Didn't really match older Rena.

Anyways, OP+ED was good. I can wait for the full versions though. I especially like ED, pretty scenes. But still, not as 'powerful' as last season's OP+ED.

I think the art is 'moe' now..Personally, I enjoyed last season's art, but I guess I'll get used to this.

BakaOnna

2007-07-06, 09:13

johnishida

2007-07-06, 09:14

Just watched it from Hauu~. Video Quality was so-so, Audio was Ok and translation was well done, in my opinion.

The OP and ED are both beautifully made though, I like why or why not better for the ED the new one is just fine.

Much of this eoisode was a prologue for the series and they also animated some of scenes they did not animate in tsumihoroboshi-hen. Really liked this first episode.

MarthX

2007-07-06, 09:47

Sigh, now I wish I'd never read the ending spoilers on wiki. Oh well. That was still very interesting info. I'm glad DEEN is going to animate all the stuff they left out in the first season.

Overall, I thought it was a solid episode. I really like the opening, though not as much as the first. I wish there was a preview for the next episode though. :(
I really like the upped artwork.

There is a next episode preview but the raw/sub doesn't have it yet for some reason.

You can see it here: http://rapidshare.com/files/41348356/p07070007_tljf_nb.asx.html

Skyfall

2007-07-06, 09:51

A nicely done episode to get things rolling. Animation quality has taken a leap for the better (crappy video quality of the sub aside) and looks great. 30 year older Rena = hot 0_o. I have to wonder how she survived the incident ... though i bet it will be touched upon soon. Nothing really "new" happened, so not much to comment upon.

The new OP is decent, but imo it doesn't stand anywhere near the previous OP, which was made of pure awesomeness. It lacks the "creepiness" aspect to a degree. Looks like focus is going to be on Rika ... can't wait to see how things turn out. This is definitely my most anticipated show of this season... especially since i have managed to remain unspoiled, and would like to keep it that way ;)

Klashikari

2007-07-06, 09:53

marthx : geh, somehow i can't read that file... is there something special to have befor being able to play this?

skyfall : it has been mentionned by Ooishi that she was hospitilized. so we can conclude that Rena was transferred during the same night of her arrest to an hospital. Also, good thing you weren't spoiled so far, you will understand why the tone of the EP changed so much, and frankly, if they were going to keep the same creepiness from season 1, it would be stupid :x

ho well, i finally wrote my summary and thoughts, you can read it here
Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Kai, Episode 1 : Reunion (Summary + Screencaps) (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/07/06/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-1-reunion/)

That deserved a 10 for this gorgeous start, seriously ^_^

MarthX

2007-07-06, 09:55

Opening it with Window's Media Player should work even if clicking on it doesn't open it up.

Klashikari

2007-07-06, 09:57

^ ho well, thanks, it works well. the change of the preview style is really... beyond i could imagine :heh:

meh, it is pretty much confirmed that Yakusamashi will show "present" days. good thing.

Miko Miko

2007-07-06, 10:03

the second ending! :D
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=280iposnqsw

Hanyuu! :D

Garet Linegod

2007-07-06, 10:27

Seems like サイカイ really is just　再会, as according to the preview, the next episode is the first chapter of Yakusamashi.

Klashikari

2007-07-06, 10:30

so, Hanyuu was indeed saying "Yakusamashi dai ichi" ?
pretty much great that Yakusamashi won't focus only on tsumihoroboshi aftermath, but will be a whole unique chapter then ^^

MrZombie

2007-07-06, 10:59

I like it. A nice recap of the events that lead up to Hinamizawa's fate. Also, it was great to finally see a trap used in the anime! I give it an eight.

Shiroth

2007-07-06, 11:13

It feels so good to have Higurashi back. First episode did a great job at reminding me just why i fell in love with the first season. You wouldn't expect that it was a anime original part of the story.

No new BGM's. Each track used, appears on the first & second soundtrack --- though that could be because its a back-flash episode, and new material starts next week. I'm not bothered either way, i love kenji's work for the first series, making me happy if the first season score carries on being used.

Old Rena was nice, especially her 'classic' freak out part.

Ah i just love the new OP. Straight away i can say it fits as a Higurashi OP so perfectly, song and video --- video is beautiful. As for song, i'm gonna have to listen to 'Naraku no Hana' more before i decide.

ED is lovely, though nothing can beat 'why, or why not' in the mystery perfect ending department. Especially the little piece played at the end for episode previews.

rainbow_rena

2007-07-06, 12:20

I love the opening, it's very catchy.
I loved this episode and I really want to watch more ^----^!

BakaOnna

2007-07-06, 12:27

I don't know if someone already pointed this out or not, but dude, this is freaky.

Part of the new OP is the old one backwards. :twitch:

Old OP backwards: http://youtube.com/watch?v=o_CTBXJPh3M
New OP from trailer: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fW3ae-8MDH8
start at 1:08 and it sounds almost exactly the same. Creepy... :upset:

Klashikari

2007-07-06, 12:29

yes, that was already commented on the trailer 2.
pretty much an homage of season 1, and can also give various meaning behind (reversal => the OP2 wasn't eerie at all, and was showing blooming flowers => opposite of death => opposition with OP1, etc etc)

BakaOnna

2007-07-06, 12:35

Whoa more symbolism and hidden meanings. Awesome. This is why I love the Higurashi openings

Trail

2007-07-06, 12:41

Awesome episode. Sets the mood very nicely and concludes several missing stuff from the first season. The music was also very good.

Can't wait for the rest!

sasuke13

2007-07-06, 13:11

whoohoo, Higurashi's revived!!! >xD (It'll prolly revive next Summer too, LOL)

FlareKnight

2007-07-06, 13:14

Well nice to be able to understand more about what's being said now. But yeah seems like Rena missed the disaster by a small margin most likely being taken away to a hospital or police station first right after it went down.

Though hard to believe now that right after winning a big victory in stopping Rena. Rika only a few hours after the incident would be killed and the rest would follow shortly...

Liked the opening though, music was good and great images they put up there.

Miko Miko

2007-07-06, 13:18

i like episode 1 ^_^
i can't wait for episode 2 :D:D

Matrim

2007-07-06, 13:21

I have deliberately refrained from reading much about the new season, so I was quite pleasantly surprised by the first episode. I expected it to begin like the respective chapters of the game but now I didn't even know what were they going to show actually...and I liked that uncertainty. ;) I am so happy I ddin't sccumb to the temtation to read the spoilers. So this is an anime only chapter and after this it will continue with the next chapters from the game? Or I got that wrong?

Anyway, for now I am not convinced by the music of the OP and ED, but the artwork seems to have taken a leap upwards...let's see when/if it will go down. ;) The flashbacks were used in quite effective fashion, "old" Rena was quite interesting and it's nice to imagine people still being obsessed with the mystery 25 years later.

Deathkillz

2007-07-06, 13:52

okey the link between the first OP and 2nd OP is dam creepy O.O someone is going to be having some nightmares tonite :twitch:

hoho it is just great to see higurashi back again and even though this is the aftermath left over from the end of season one i am already scratching my head again ~ great stuff ^.^

Kisuke06

2007-07-06, 14:08

So, I have this question: with this new season, how are we supposed to read the TIPS Thread?

theacefrehley

2007-07-06, 14:10

Nice episode
Rena is superb here, couldn't be more gorgeous

As an intro episode, 10

So, I have this question: with this new season, how are we supposed to read the TIPS Thread?

When minagoroshi comes, read the tips meant for it

Kisuke06

2007-07-06, 14:16

When minagoroshi comes, read the tips meant for it

Yeah, that I know. But the thing is, all the minagoroshi-hen TIPS must be read when it's over? Because, with the other arcs, every TIPS has a corresponding episode. I want to avoid reading a TIP that should be read later.

sasuke13

2007-07-06, 14:18

I haven't read all the TIPS yet... I've been lazy... >>;

theacefrehley

2007-07-06, 14:25

Yeah, that I know. But the thing is, all the minagoroshi-hen TIPS must be read when it's over? Because, with the other arcs, every TIPS has a corresponding episode. I want to avoid reading a TIP that should be read later.

When the episode comes I'll warn in the thread dedicated for this episode and put a link
Or anyone can do it
It'b better if it were the moderator, since his post will be the first

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-06, 16:21

Having finally seen the first episode myself, I would like to state a few things:

-People should stop saying how old Rena is in this episode, since no one really knows for sure and it is confusing the heck out of people all over the place.

-Rika and Hanyuu do NOT kiss in the ending, they just move their heads close together.

-The next episode previews are up on the official site for Kai, just without any kind of english subtitles.

-This episode was a intro to the new anime-only arc. In other words, the first episode of that new arc will be episode two.

Klashikari

2007-07-06, 16:26

-err... i think there isn't anything wrong to discuss about Rena's age. it is quite something to debate. with a margin of 4 years, (since time between Disaster and Reunion is between 21 and 24 years), things are much nice to talk about. (especially that it will give more hints to guess the other characters age)

-we don't know if they do or not, the animation is quite demon speed on this. (on purpose, of course)

-well... nothing to expect from them. but it doesn't look it requires subtitles (due it has almost nothing to do with EP2...)

-that was said numerous times heh... no need to state it once again ^^"

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-06, 16:30

-There certainly is nothing wrong with DISCUSSING how old she is, but all the posts I've seen here and other places where it has leaked are "here is a pic of Rena at 43!" and such. People believe it's true, and then we've got a situation.

-They don't. I watched the BSS fansub and it's pretty easy to tell.O_O

Klashikari

2007-07-06, 16:36

-ho well... this isn't really hard to figure out it is unaccurate, due that no one knows their birthday :heh:. well, things are pretty messy, thanks to ryukishi

-there isn't any clue if they did or not. here are screencaps :

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/klashikari/th_Kissu01.jpg (http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/klashikari/Kissu01.jpg) http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/klashikari/th_kissu02.jpg (http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/klashikari/kissu02.jpg) http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/klashikari/th_kissu03.jpg (http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb271/klashikari/kissu03.jpg)

Basically, the problem are the hands, and you can tell they did on purpose to split the opinions among the fans. (i can easely imagine studio DEEN, grinning "you didn't like our first arts? okay, here you go, but it is up to you to determine the meaning of this :D" )

however, i think they did (much i don't care much about it anyway, it is an ED, not really canon material), since
1) the angle of their heads
2) rika was blushing

but meh, fantasy is always something in the debate :heh:

sounds like this ep has brought 2 legendary questions, with no answer whatsoever XD
They almost deserve world scale Poll ! (ara... mods...? what are the cleavers for...!? Matte, i was joking !!! :heh:)

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-06, 16:46

It's all in the movements, I think.

myopius

2007-07-06, 17:17

Yeah this first episode was clearly there to help you get the idea of the few things which first series established plus build up some intrigue. Knowledge from reading topics in this forum makes 20 minutes of speculative conversation less intriguing to me, but I did enjoy the OP/ED and am totally looking forward to later episodes.

Edit: Is the top movie at http://www.oyashirosama.com/web/kai/onair/index.htm#pv the preview? If so wow yeah I look forward to hearing that subbed.

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-06, 17:18

The next episode should be better, with the whole gang back.

Seiryuu

2007-07-06, 17:27

Something tells me The Rika/Hanyuu kiss is going to be the least of our mind-warps this time around. But somehow it makes me think of a scene from FLCL.
I honestly don't care how old Rena is at this point. She was probably 16 in '83, given physical development and comparative physique in flashbacks, so that would make her about 39-40 now. To me it's simpler just to take the ranges. In '83 she was more than 13 but less than 17. That would put her current age between 37 and 41. Beyond that it's pure speculation.

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-06, 17:36

Something tells me, that even though there is supposed to be a lot less bloodshed in this arc, Tomitake is still gonna die about six times.>_>;

octoberasian

2007-07-06, 17:53

Just started watching the first episode. Hmm, is it just me or did the animation quality increased for the second season?

I also like the new OP song as well. More thoughts after I'm done watching.

Kanon_

2007-07-06, 18:01

Pretty good episode, it's really nice to see Hinamizawa's future. Too bad the rest of the band is dead, I would have liked to see them as adults too.

Also, everyone is talking about Rena's age, but what about Oishi? He should be in his eighties, maybe even early nineties; yet he looks as delicious as ever.

chrno_the_sinner

2007-07-06, 18:13

Everyone should consider this Tsumihoroboshi-hen chapter.... uh...6? 5? Whatever. Looking forward to next week's episode as well. Can't wait.

I always put Rika and Satoko in middle school and K1, Rena and Shmion in High School.

Superb episode. And if people didn't know already, this should REALLY clue them in as to who is in the centre of it all.

From the looks of it, Yakusamashi will tell most of the Tsumihoroboshi-hen TIPS. Those were all pretty major, since most of them revolved around Rika and somebody who isn't there, but is.

ssfsx17

2007-07-06, 18:26

Ah, geez, the crazy eyes are back. That's one thing that I would have liked to not have been carried over from the first season.

Sorrow-K

2007-07-06, 18:36

OMG! OMG! It's back. I can barely type properly right now.

I am so happy that this show is back, I actually cried tears of happiness during the OP and ED sections.

But, my God, that first episode was just brilliant. I'm already certain that this is going to be epic.

Katsu Koneko

2007-07-06, 19:20

Is the [BSS] sub real on Animesuki?

Klashikari

2007-07-06, 19:23

considering some comments in the thread, yes it is a real sub, but Hauu~ is quite good enough (well at least to me). the quality isn't fantastic, but it isn't ugly.
also considering BBS file size, i don't think it is any better, quality wise. as for the subs, might try this.

Katsu Koneko

2007-07-06, 19:31

Thanks so much. ^^

The ~Hau sub I tried to watch, but it lagged everytime I tried to play it on VLC.

KaneDragon

2007-07-06, 22:04

Thanks so much. ^^

The ~Hau sub I tried to watch, but it lagged everytime I tried to play it on VLC.

Try it with MPC+CCCP?

Yay for first episode. OP not as creepy as the first, of course, but it's still a nice song, remembered fondly from the trailer. I'll get around to watching the whole episode later.

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-06, 22:07

Am I the only one who seriously thinks the "shadowy figure" in the opening looks like the woman from Galaxy Express?

myopius

2007-07-06, 22:26

I downloaded both subs. The OP and ED are subbed in both, Hauu~ has additional romaji while BSS has additional kanji for the lyrics. They both look like they're the same raw at ~24:14, but while the audio is the same the video is a bit fuzzy in BSS's sub, like a jpeg gets while you lower the quality a little bit--it's noticeable difference. And the text is typeset better in Hauu~'s sub IMO. I can't judge the translation since I don't know Japanese but the wording seemed more literal in BSS's subs, also Hauu~ seemed better proofread sometimes. Both very fine works.

MarthX

2007-07-06, 22:45

BSS's "The next target village" line bugs me. "The next Hinamizawa" is much better.

Maids! Maids! Maids!

2007-07-06, 22:59

Well, I found the episode to be both a thrill and strangely depressing. I really like these characters, and, after an initial hesitation, I've grown particularly fond of Rena. While it was great to see her alive, she's clearly a mess. (Not that she was ever the mental health poster child.) While I was happy she made it to adulthood, it was unsettling to see her as an adult. I have such a strong picture of her as a teenager in my head (and literally hundreds of pictures of her as a teenager on my computer).

I love talkie anime episodes, and there was a lot of dialog. It must have been a challenge to sub. Thanks to both groups for their fast work.

It's about to turn midnight on the U.S. East Coast. Happy Rena's Day to everyone. I'm going to celebrate on 4chan's /a/, which I suspect will be subjected to repeated Rena hijacks during 07/07/07.

Shion's Sanity

2007-07-06, 23:12

It would have been nice if all the characters had been remembered. You know, going to each area of the town and remembering everyone.

Hagges01

2007-07-06, 23:13

oh god.... grow up Rena sugoi!!!!!!!!
definitely good, expecting more psyco-moe and killer lolis, the op and the ed r just beautiful, the history is going nice and there's a lot I want to know

Mirrinus

2007-07-07, 00:48

I checked out BSS's sub, and it sort of distracted me due to its rather frequent grammatical mistakes. They would often leave out particles such as "the" or "a", and there were a few misspellings and incorrect tenses and stuff. Then again, I shouldn't be expecting a flawless work from a group named BSS - "Bullet Speed Subs".

Kind of a slow episode. It's decent for setting stuff up, and re-acquainting viewers with the story. However, since I have a pretty good memory of stories, it was pretty much just rehashing for me, so it wasn't really all that exciting. May the next episode deliver more.

And yeah, Hanyuu sounds way too much like Ayu from Kanon, lol. Should have expected that from Horie Yui.

Dr Cain

2007-07-07, 05:33

Nice that Hauu~ used softsubs, I just extracted their subs and wached it in combination with the Sayman RAW, a bit better quality.

A very good start of the second season I must say.. Looking forward to next time :)

Klashikari

2007-07-07, 06:41

Sorry for another shameless advertisement... meh, for those who want some analysis (with of course, no spoiler outside of the anime material), you can read the wall of text here !

HnNKN episode 1 : Analysis, Thoughts and Random Comments (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/hnnkn-kai-episode-1-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)

Frankly, the more i read and think about OP/ED and the content of the episode 1, the more i think this episode deserve more than 10.

geh, fanboyism is possessing me :heh:

Archuka

2007-07-07, 06:55

Excellent first episode!

I had already forgotten what the Demon's Script was all about, so it still felt fresh in a way even though somewhere in my brain I still have pretty much the whole story of Higurashi. Good thing I spoiled myself so long ago that I don't know exactly what's coming next. ;)

HnNKN episode 1 : Analysis, Thoughts and Random Comments (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/hnnkn-kai-episode-1-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)

Lots of big spoilers there. I'd advise against reading that at least if you haven't read all the TIPs posted here at Animesuki.

Alice Elliot

2007-07-07, 08:20

Actually I expected more Rika here.. But I'm surprised in a positive way and hope they will keep this creepy atmosphere the Anime always had ^^ And I'm totally interested how Hanyuu will be, her voice, personality and so on. Ah and I love Rikas "older" voice! It just has smth that can't be described... Thanks to Hauu~ for providing us the subbed version sooo fast! And it turned out really well on top of that

Quajafrie

2007-07-07, 08:33

This episode was so... intriguing.

dspr8_rugged

2007-07-07, 09:39

Nice pilot episode. The series is rather kind to at least refresh us a little about the certain events of the previous season, and not just get straight to the disturbing stuff or the mystery itself.

Although I wish they could use new BGMs... it's minor, but, well, it could be a change.

Onniguru

2007-07-07, 12:04

i really want the RAW too, even if i can't "Understand" it.
xD i cant wait i am listening to the opening! :D

First episode is heavy dialog, so unless your fluent in Japanese, you should wait for a tolerable sub.
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At any rate, I see Higurashi already has its own subforum :D, after just one episode.

Zero surprise on that...I didn't even bother look for Higurashi in the fansub section...I went straight to the subforum section, and told myself "let's see if Higurashi kai is here...yup! Here it is...".

Off topic:
I see Zero no Tsukaima also has a subforum after just one episode. Another complete non-surprise :p
Edit: Actually at this point the ZnT forum only talks about the first series still. So far it's just been 'bumped' to active status in preperation for the upcoming second season, I guess.

Nice that Hauu~ used softsubs, I just extracted their subs and wached it in combination with the Sayman RAW, a bit better quality.

A very good start of the second season I must say.. Looking forward to next time :)

Between the two currently available....Hyuu~'s.

I highly suspect some of the big/long running fansub groups will have subs out as well, though, in a few days.

Rena Ryuuguu

2007-07-07, 13:13

I know this even already a German one trenches gives sub of the Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai follow in the German one want to translate.

Deathkillz

2007-07-07, 14:52

Lots of big spoilers there. I'd advise against reading that at least if you haven't read all the TIPs posted here at Animesuki.
or read if you are too lazy to plough through the tips but still want to know what to expect :p

@ Onniguru ~ may i advise you to use the edit button instead of triple posting...

Pellissier

2007-07-07, 15:28

At any rate, I see Higurashi already has its own subforum :D, after just one episode.

Zero surprise on that...I didn't even bother look for Higurashi in the fansub section...I went straight to the subforum section, and told myself "let's see if Higurashi kai is here...yup! Here it is...".

Off topic:
I see Zero no Tsukaima also has a subforum after just one episode. Another complete non-surprise :p
Edit: Actually at this point the ZnT forum only talks about the first series still. So far it's just been 'bumped' to active status in preperation for the upcoming second season, I guess.
Both the Higurashi subforum and the Zero no Tsukaima subforum were created one year ago, for their first series. Once they finished, the forums were moved from the "current series" section to the "older series" section. Now they've been brought back since the second seasons have started. As simple as that :)

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As for the first episode. Hmm.. it looked like a Tsumihoroboshi part 6 (or if you want, Higurashi season 1 episode 27), with a flavor of Himatsubushi (for the presence of Akasaka).

Womanly Rena was very beautiful to watch. Overall I'm not totally fond of the episode for the heavy dialogues and for saying things not exactly new (I rewatched the series not much ago so most of the parts - especially the file #34 - were really fresh in my memory).
But obviously this is just a small appetizer.

I liked the OP, I believe the themes of the first season will always be unreachable, but the OP was quite good and mystic. I need to listen to the ED more, but it doesn't seem to have that unique charm of "Why.. or why not".

One thing really bothered me though: where did they put the episode preview? :upset:
Do you remember at the end of the episode when Yukari Tamura used to read (with her Rika Furude "apocalyptic mode" voice) some sentences with a black screen filled with japanese text? It was one of things I liked the most in Higurashi 1! I really hope they'll be back because along with the new episodes and the new plot, one of my most anticipated elements were the previews! :heh: (ok, perhaps a bit extreme, but just to give the idea :) )

octoberasian

2007-07-07, 15:49

Well, just finished watching, and it felt more like a recall episode, going over what happened in the past in one of the previous story arcs (Tsumihoroboshi Part 6). At times, the episode just felt creepy or haunting, though very dialog-heavy. The sight of an adult Rena was welcoming. She looked more troubled and disturbed as if she can't let go of the past, or the past has gotten to her, or not let her go. Her older self is really beautiful as well.

As Pellissier said, it does feel like watching Higurashi Season 1/Episode 27.

I liked the ending song, even though it doesn't have the same impact as Season 1's ED, but it felt much darker and sadder.

This arc (Tsumihoroboshi Part 6), if indeed continuing from the last episode, centers on Rika and the cause for the strange occurances in-and-around Hinamizawa was due to aliens. I didn't watch the sub episode yet after reading comments from a couple posters about it-- poor grammar and punctuation in the subtitles. Therefore, I just watched the RAW instead.

I just can't get over the ED song and adult Rena out of my head. Both are hauntingly beautiful to see and listen.

Dr Cain

2007-07-07, 15:58

LightningZERO

2007-07-07, 23:44

This is my first episode of Higurashi anime , I've only read the first 3 arc on manga, and I feel in love with this series!

Looking forward for more!

chrno_the_sinner

2007-07-08, 01:15

First episode is heavy dialog, so unless your fluent in Japanese, you should wait for a tolerable sub.
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At any rate, I see Higurashi already has its own subforum :D, after just one episode.

Zero surprise on that...I didn't even bother look for Higurashi in the fansub section...I went straight to the subforum section, and told myself "let's see if Higurashi kai is here...yup! Here it is...".

Off topic:
I see Zero no Tsukaima also has a subforum after just one episode. Another complete non-surprise :p
Edit: Actually at this point the ZnT forum only talks about the first series still. So far it's just been 'bumped' to active status in preperation for the upcoming second season, I guess.

A nice thing about softsubs, as well, is the fact that they are the property of the fansub group that created them. That's right...the implicit copyright for the subtitles by-themselves belongs to the fansubber, not the company that produced, distributed, or holds any other rights for the show itself.

That means that if at some future date you wanted went and bought Higurashi no naku kora ni kai, and told your media player to use external subs and pointed it to the ones by, say, Hauu~, you would be voilating no laws in any country (of course the timing of these softsubs is unlikely to fit those of a bought copy of Higurashi Kai, once such a buyable item becomes available).

Between the two currently available....Hyuu~'s.

I highly suspect some of the big/long running fansub groups will have subs out as well, though, in a few days.

Well, there was a Spanish site or something that got prosecuted for providing sub scripts. I don't know if it was just the laws of the country or if it's in general. It was on ANN a while ago. It could be portugese or something else.

EDIT: It was polish. And it does apply to us to. Here's the link :http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-05-18/9-poles-held-by-police-over-fansubs

As with North American law (Canada and the United States), unauthorized distribution and commercial use of translated scripts is illegal in Poland, even if the original material is not included with the script. Like American and Canadian law, Polish law makes allowances for personal use of translations. In late 2005 or early 2006, Napisy was temporarily shut down by its administrators while they reviewed the legality of their operations and the likelihood of legal action being taken against them. The site was reinstated after they concluded that Polish law was unclear about "fair use" and "personal use" and that there was little likelihood of any legal threat to their operation.

Maids! Maids! Maids!

2007-07-08, 02:30

Well, there was a Spanish site or something that got prosecuted for providing sub scripts. I don't know if it was just the laws of the country or if it's in general. It was on ANN a while ago. It could be portugese or something else.

EDIT: It was polish. And it does apply to us to. Here's the link :http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-05-18/9-poles-held-by-police-over-fansubs

The poster you're responding to is very much incorrect. Fansubbers don't own their scripts. If you translate a book and post it to the Internet, you're violating international copyright law. While the two situations may not seem analogous to some people, they are precisely so. You don't get to own someone else's work just because you translated it into another language. The subber has no rights. None. Japan is a very civilized country and a signatory to the treaty that covers this stuff. If a Japanese company wanted to go after a subber, they could and would win. Particularly if the subber was foolish enough to claim ownership of the property.

This is not the place to be discussing copyright law. If there's a thread on the subject, I'd like to be pointed to it.

FreedomMS

2007-07-08, 03:54

kingsky123

2007-07-08, 04:21

T_T.... if only they had such good animation and information in the first 6 arcs

chrno_the_sinner

2007-07-08, 04:59

well..episode 1 did say it because of a certain gas incident Tatarigoroshi-hen. so i suppose keiichi is alive? cuz rena can't possibly have past memory of all the incident that happen when she was young before that gas incident

I don't quite understand what you mean, but the gas disaster also happened in Himatsubushi and Tsumihoroboshi. Tsumihoroboshi and Himatsubushi both occured before Reunion. Rena was the only survivor from Hinamizawa, because she wasn't there when it happened. Keiichi was a victim of the disaster this time around. Also, it's very likely the disaster happened in Onikakushi as well, since we never saw what happened to Rika at the end of it.

All we know now is that Rika being Watanagashi'd = gas disaster and Rika being killed otherwise (suicide or Shion's torture) leads to no disaster. The question you have to ask is "Why?"

Pellissier

2007-07-08, 06:46

This is not the place to be discussing copyright law.
I can just confirm your statement: this is not the right place to talk about that since it is an episode discussion thread and talks about copyright issues are off topic, hence not welcome here. Further off topic posts will be deleted.

Kaguya

2007-07-08, 06:59

One thing really bothered me though: where did they put the episode preview? :upset:
Do you remember at the end of the episode when Yukari Tamura used to read (with her Rika Furude "apocalyptic mode" voice) some sentences with a black screen filled with japanese text? It was one of things I liked the most in Higurashi 1! I really hope they'll be back because along with the new episodes and the new plot, one of my most anticipated elements were the previews! :heh: (ok, perhaps a bit extreme, but just to give the idea :) )

They put the preview only on Web.
But, it may differ from the atmosphere which you expect.
Here's the link :http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php

Script

Hanyu: Tell me! Black Rika corner! Today's questioner is Teppei Hojo living in Hinamizawa-mura.

Black Rika: What worry is it?

Hanyu: "Since it looks like my hair is thinning in front these days, I don't get a short tight perm well. What should I do?" nanodesu.

Black Rika: ufufu You should transplant "Attchi no ke (pubic hair)".

Hanyu: Hauuu Really?

Black Rika: It's a lie.

Hanyu: Hauuu.. Next time, Yakusamashi-hen #1 Onigokko

Black Rika: Until it grows some day,....

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I like the OP, too.
If last 20 seconds of 2nd season's OP are reverse-played (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwb0QhZmizM), it will sound like the intro of 1st season's OP.
And, the words which sound like "ten ga nikui (I hate destiny.)" are in the last part of a reverse play.

JediNight

2007-07-08, 08:19

That's one thing I dislike about Higurashi at this point. There are so many disparate plot arcs hanging around now, that it's a real pain in the butt to try to sort them into a sequential timeline -- especially since many of the endings are mutually exclusive due to various characters dying.

At the end of season1 they had all figured out the timeloop and broken free of the curse. But now it appears like the gas explosion really happened and Rena is the only one alive again?

Klashikari

2007-07-08, 08:39

While the different plots and storyline diverge, you shouldn't compare them timewise, even between watanagashi-hen and meakashi-hen.

There is nothing goo in comparing the events with their timing. the sole exception is Himatsubushi, telling the canon past.

Most likely, compare the different outcomes, which will probably give you insight to prevent yourself being stuck into light theory, without many proofs.

also, you didn't understand the end of season 1 at all.
They NEVER broke the curse, heck, it isn't even mentionned that the characters are aware of the curse. (is there a "curse" to begin with?)
You should really read the TIPS : this episode brought back what DEEN skipped : Demon’s Script (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=689296&postcount=133). This tips, much like Reunion, explains what really happen after Keiichi saved Rena. The season 1 was open, and didn't flesh it out, but Reunion pretty much corrected the "happy end". Also, as you might see, Rika is still stuck in another world after tsumi, in season 1.

As I and Chrno already mentionned : the gas disaster occured in Himatsubushi, Tatarigoroshi and Tsumihoroboshi (and Reunion if we consider as an alternative of tsumi, since rena survived.) There isn't any clue about Onikakushi, but we can easely deduce that the Disaster also happened in Onikakushi, due the canon clock death of Rika.

kingsky123

2007-07-08, 12:47

i think that new arc is trying to show what happens after the last arc of higurashi anime. is like, she figures out what she did was wrong and stuff, but shit still happened, therefore she doesnt understand what went wrong and stuff... I think the producer is trying to make it out to be something like that

Klashikari

2007-07-08, 12:58

yes and no.

Reunion is NOT the new arc at all. Reunion is the aftermath of tsumihoroboshi-hen, that's true (meh, we repeated like... a lot of times huh...). but this is not Yakusamashi.

This episode just shows what happen in Tsumihoroboshi, the demon's script. However, they used Old Rena as a plot device, so they can give some highlights on Rika.

Richard_Omega

2007-07-08, 14:07

i liked it so far
yet, i still get confused wheter,which arc is the one this second season is following, in 1 arc, rena goes crazy and captures the whole school, they mention that on the episode, but they also mention that rika was dead, which was in another arc/world, and, they mentioned the thing about the gas as well, which happened in another different arc, which was when keiichi got thrown at the river...i guess the only thing we can hope, is that time will tell

Klashikari

2007-07-08, 14:24

*face palm* read the post above :heh:

but to summary one more time :
1) Rika dies in EVERY arc (until now of course, we will see for Yakusamashi, Minagoroshi and Matsuribayashi)
2) the Disaster happens in Tatarigoroshi (3th arc, "satoko chapter"), Himatsubushi (Akasaka chapter) and Tsumihoroboshi (Rena chapter, the last one in Season 1). (and we assume it does also in Onikakushi)
like i said, it DOES happen in tsumihoroboshi (the TIPS Demon’s Script (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=689296&postcount=133) proves it), but DEEN didn't covered this point.

this is why this episode show the disaster after the school hostage incident.
The only difference is that rena survived. except this point, this is the exact future of Tsumihoroboshi.

once again, the disaster case is NOT exclusive for tatarigoroshi. in fact, the disaster happen in each arc until now, except Watanagashi and Meakashi

kingsky123

2007-07-08, 15:09

sorry i didn't really mean new arc i just meant what was airing :P. its way easier to just say 'new arc' then the aftermath of tsumioborishiri or something like that.

Kisuke06

2007-07-08, 15:59

Well, I finally watched this and I really enjoyed. And Rena still looks good. :)

Also, it seemed to me that the animation was better than the first season, although I can't really say because Hauu's video quality wasn't very good.

Well, I'm looking forward to the next episode. :)

Richard_Omega

2007-07-08, 16:27

i wonder when they are gonna show us the other main characters (such as keiichi, mion, shion, etc)
i beleive they are still alive

kingsky123

2007-07-08, 16:29

i wonder when they are gonna show us the other main characters (such as keiichi, mion, shion, etc)
i beleive they are still alive

Their dead.

Sikono

2007-07-08, 22:08

i wonder when they are gonna show us the other main characters (such as keiichi, mion, shion, etc)
i beleive they are still alive

Their dead.

They're dead. XD The only one alive from then is Rena for some reason. They told me so. :) Although I hope this part of the anime isn't all about Rena's flashbacks and them discussing about stuff that's really obvious. It's quite bland so far to me...

Chewy

2007-07-08, 23:18

The only one alive from then is Rena for some reason

Probably because she was dragged to the police station after high jacking the school, which I don't believe is in Hinamizawa. The victims involved were probably all treated at the Irie clinic and thus were caught up in the disaster.

Cyz

2007-07-08, 23:53

Uh...is there any reason why Rena has a hideout looking thingy in a dump site? That's not her home isn't it?

Chewy

2007-07-09, 00:17

Uh...is there any reason why Rena has a hideout looking thingy in a dump site? That's not her home isn't it?

It's her own little hiding place away from home. Like she said in the episode, a lot of things were going on at home during that time (or watch the end of season 1)

rimaa

2007-07-09, 01:03

great episode, finally its back!

D a m i e n

2007-07-09, 04:50

meh. new season already, means i have to finish watching the first season

darky

2007-07-09, 10:08

I just have finished watching the first episode

it was incredible they somehow explained what happened in the past , and then the Adult Rena appeared (My heart was bounding very fast when I saw her)

I really liked the opening song I think the singer is the same right?

Klashikari

2007-07-09, 10:21

Yes, the singer of the OP2 (Naraku no Hana) is the same : Shimemiya Eiko.

OTOH, the singer for ED2 (Taishou a) is anNina, while for ED1 (why or why not) it was Katakiri Rekka

Sinestra

2007-07-09, 10:46

Finally got around to watching the 1st episode. First of all i love the OP to me it fits well with the series just the like the OP and ED from the 1st seasons.

It was interesting to see the retelling years from when all the events took place. I was surprised to see Rena so early on all grown up. But it makes sense since they are investigating the disastar that happend after the school hostage incident which is theTatarigoroshi arc. Tracing all the events that lead up to the great disaster is being brought out really well. It interesting that the even after all this time the truth was never really discovered. Im looking forward to more

There seems to be quite a few people who have not seen the first season and are posting asking questions. Well dont jump into the sequel you will be lost and very confused. Do not entertain any thoughts of the entire cast poping back up again THEY ARE DEAD Rena is a special case. If you have not seen the first season and keep asking obvious questions week after week to those who have seen the first one your going to piss people off. just my opinion

A friend of mine did it and he asked me a butt load of questions. I told he need to watch the first season especially sense there will be spoilers.

kingsky123

2007-07-09, 12:08

so... er reunion will last how many episodes?

Klashikari

2007-07-09, 12:15

Reunion is a stand alone. The next episode will be the new arc, Yakusamashi-hen (no possible way to determine how long it will last. most likely between 6-8 episodes)

octoberasian

2007-07-09, 12:27

Serenity85

2007-07-09, 21:56

yay for the return of Higurashi^^ Was disappointed at the end of s1 that they weren't going to the show the last 2 arcs (especially the final arc for various reasons that are spoilers for those who don't know^^) So I peekedto see how it ended (lol good part thou, was that I was to lazy to read through it all so I only now 1 main thing^^ the true villain and a couple other small things) Now I'm happy to see things being finished up with better animation quality.

on a side note are there full versions of the OP and ED out?

FallenLucifel

2007-07-09, 22:52

Can't wait for the actual new arc. I liked the first episode in the way it, as the title suggests, reunites the remnants of the cast with the viewers and explained things, but of course it would be horrible if an entire arc was made of grown men constantly talking about UFOs. No offense to older Mamarou, but people are watching this series for the characters actually shown in the openings. =P Still, this episode is a good start, and I like the new OP alot even if it is rightfully different from the creepier tone of the original.

Guido

2007-07-09, 22:57

Finally, the stage has been set up and once again the curtain of paranoia, disbelief, and mistrust opens again to incredulous eyes to invite us all again to the village of Hinamizawa.

I am just as excited as anyone of you guys, and it looks like finally DEEN is going to deliver the audience what we rightfully should had deserved from the start.
Extraordinarily visual animation and a congruent, dense plot pacing.

Reunion was just the appetitizer to the second part of the Higurashi series. What horrors are about to unfold?

The true nature of Oyashiro-sama would reveal itself to eyes of the naive mortals?

Or is it that there's indeed a mastermind who has inflicted all this tragedy and misery for what purpose?
Who knows, but the time has come for all of us to finally settle down the puzzle pieces and fight against destiny.

If you have paid attention closely to the opening and ending, Rika has been made a special focus on the spotlight. It looks like this second series would be actively tense and emotionally excruciating.

BTW, the main reason why I loved this episode was because they played that beautiful but macabre song that was actually played at the end of the Keiichi v.s. Rena fight at the last episode of Tsumihoroboshi-hen arc from the previous season.
Many of you might know to which I mean...

It is obvious that Takano's scrapbook about the aliens is immediately fake, but something definitely caught my attention.

Why is it that SDF bothered to seal the swamp? or for what did they administered the shots at the day of the disaster?

I also believe that Reunion is the future to Himatsubushi-hen. In June 1983 of Himatsubushi-hen, it is likely that Rena took the school hostage, but unlike Tsumihoroboshi-hen the school disaster happened. Rena was arrested and took to maybe a sanatorium.
On the day night of the next day the Great Disaster happened.

Recall Rika's words to Keiichi on Tsumihoroboshi-hen last episode that if she had tried harder that previous time then disaster would had been prevented.

I am very certain that Rena likely burnt the school instead of intending to explode it on Tsumihoroboshi-hen.

FatPianoBoy

2007-07-09, 23:25

It is obvious that Takano's scrapbook about the aliens is immediately fake, but something definitely caught my attention.

Why is it that SDF bothered to seal the swamp? or for what did they administered the shots at the day of the disaster?

I also believe that Reunion is the future to Himatsubushi-hen. In June 1983 of Himatsubushi-hen, it is likely that Rena took the school hostage, but unlike Tsumihoroboshi-hen the school disaster happened. Rena was arrested and took to maybe a sanatorium.
On the day night of the next day the Great Disaster happened.

Recall Rika's words to Keiichi on Tsumihoroboshi-hen last episode that if she had tried harder that previous time then disaster would had been prevented.

I am very certain that Rena likely burnt the school instead of intending to explode it on Tsumihoroboshi-hen.

The aliens were fake, but what about the parasites? With Takano having so many different notebooks, I feel like she may have hidden bits of truth mixed with fiction in each in order to keep from being found out and/or to keep anyone who would find them from discovering the real truth.

Actually, all the arcs are a direct continuation of Himatsubushi-hen. The only part that keeps repeating is June of '83. Reunion is actually a direct continuation of Tsumihoroboshi-hen.

Ayu-ayu

2007-07-09, 23:30

Oh, wow...

I had heard about how Studio Deen was going to repair the damage they did from the first series, but I wasn't wholly convinced until I saw this episode. With this and the new arc, I think that this will go a long way to redeeming their mistakes the first time around. I've often said that Higurashi is the best story I've ever seen adapted to anime, but the anime itself falls short of that potential--maybe now I can revise that opinion. The imagery of present-day Hinamizawa was fantastic, and adult Rena was quite a nice surprise. I hadn't realised how much I missed this series until now.
:bow:

The new opening is brilliant, and I like the ending too. I love the lyrics and the animation (which is all storyboarded by the director, so that really gives me hope). I can't wait for them to get to Minagoroshi-hen!

I haven't found a version that has the jikai (preview) included though...rats!:sad:

Davidj

2007-07-10, 17:40

Ooishi...it's been something like 35 years now. Stop suggesting conspiracy theories to people from Hinamazawa!

mist2123

2007-07-10, 18:53

If i could just find the missing peices on the mystery of the deaths and the repeating june.

I think something behind the scenes are watching(most likely takano) them and is the culprit still i dont have the evidence to back it up

kagato3

2007-07-10, 21:39

Ooishi...it's been something like 35 years now. Stop suggesting conspiracy theories to people from Hinamazawa!

Ok i'm adding this to my sig as a nearly busted a gut reading it.

yakuri-moe

2007-07-11, 02:32

I have to admit I wasn't warmed up at the OP and ED at all. I was expecting something following the PS2's opening (nageki no mori) composition, and the animation was quite simple compared to the explosion of colors that was the first one. Even so, I'm quite picky in some things and all in all it's quite alright. I just wish they would have made a less j-pop-ish song.

The flashbacks show us how the characters will look and move in future episodes, and they look much more promising than what I expected, so I hope the animation quality is kept (if not increased) and nothing like the first season happens. Special mention (for better) goes to the proportion of the eyes (and the face overall), which ended up huge in some past episodes; and the more detailed to the hair.

This stand alone connects really well with the end of the first season and it's really helpful for those who don't follow the TIPS or any kind of translation held in this forum. It will certainly shed some much needed enlightenment to the plot

It kind of peeves me that they showed Hanyuu right on our faces in the opening. Not everybody knows about her, and that's part of HNNKN macabre and mysterious atmosphere. I was quite spooked with the whole plot (having read TIPS, translations and all), something which ended the moment I saw her and how everything fit in the story.

For people who have no idea of what's going on or just picked the second season out of curiosity, she'll be major spoilers in some way or another.

tobiast88

2007-07-11, 06:41

The thing is, all of the first season is about the mystery, the macabre, the inevitability of the characters' deaths. The second season, Kai, on the other hand, is not at all: it's a ganbarimonogatari, a story of perseverance, as all the characters (and especially one in particular) try to break free from their fate. The tune may be a bit J-pop-ish, but the lyrics mean something and are entirely appropriate to the atmosphere of Kai, for both the OP and ED.

The entirety of Kai is about Rika trying to save everyone, even if they seem lost. She has decided to refuse to give up. Kai is Rika's perseverance in the face of the never-ending June, and the lyrics reflect that perfectly.

mist2123

2007-07-11, 13:23

Klashikari

2007-07-11, 13:32

Not really, they are not spoilers per se. the lyrics instead, pretty much summary the feelings and the current situation.
The songs themselves don't explain nor show any future events at all (i might be wrong, but i would be curious how it has spoilers. of course, it would be better to discuss on the spoiler thread, not here.)

Cerollian

2007-07-11, 13:37

anyone know a website where i can see it.

mist2123

2007-07-11, 13:41

anyone know a website where i can see it.

its the opening of higurashi kai. youtube:heh:??
The opening song (http://www.veoh.com/videos/v742654t5cbDngB?searchId=1224423375750365865&rank=0)(this is not the ep ok)

Cerollian

2007-07-11, 13:43

oh I meant the episode. I've been siked all year but im in the U.S

Klashikari

2007-07-11, 13:47

Most likely, you will have to use torrent to get the episode (or IRC).
i would suggest you to check the animesuki page (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1053.html) of this.

of course, you should watch the first season before... else, it doesn't really worth the confusion...

Cerollian

2007-07-11, 14:14

ha i've seen it all but is number 2 out?I just love anime.

Klashikari

2007-07-11, 14:41

well... it would be easier if you are more accurate about what are you talking about then ~~

no, the second episode hasn't aired yet. if the scheldule didn't change, it should be aired tomorrow the 12th.

Davidj

2007-07-11, 16:53

Why is it that SDF bothered to seal the swamp? or for what did they administered the shots at the day of the disaster?

They sealed the swamp because that's where it lives. The thing about every infectious agent that you have to ask yourself is, "What's the vector?". There's no human to human transmission because the syndrome isn't spreading beyond Hinamazawa. The primary infection reservoir could be an animal native to the area but they never showed any encounters between Keiichi and local animal life. The source of the contagion is probably the swamp water itself. As water from the swamp seeps into the local groundwater, it carries with it a microorganism that contaminates the water supply for the town. The microorganism has very particular tastes in environment though so the degree to which it can spread is limited. Destroy its environment and you wipe out all but the colony living inside Rena which will die when she does. Ooishi and the other visitors to the area were never infected because they didn't drink the water.

mist2123

2007-07-11, 18:08

They sealed the swamp because that's where it lives. The thing about every infectious agent that you have to ask yourself is, "What's the vector?". There's no human to human transmission because the syndrome isn't spreading beyond Hinamazawa. The primary infection reservoir could be an animal native to the area but they never showed any enounters between Keiichi and local animal life. The source of the contagion is probably the swamp water itself. As water from the swamp seeps into the local groundwater, it carries with it a microorganism that contaminates the water supply for the town. The microorganism has very particular tastes in environment though so the degree to which it can spread is limited. Destroy its environment and you wipe out all but the colony living inside Rena which will die when she does. Ooishi and the other visitors to the area were never infected because they didn't drink the water.

impossible why didnt the other citizens got weird? why just them??

KaneDragon

2007-07-11, 19:07

impossible why didnt the other citizens got weird? why just them??

Other citizens did get weird from time to time in the past as they underwent stress. Like the... er... is that getting into game spoilers? :heh:

Serenity85

2007-07-11, 21:36

Other citizens did get weird from time to time in the past as they underwent stress. Like the... er... is that getting into game spoilers? :heh:

I think anything from the first season is ok (as long as IT was in the show^^) anything else keep in spoilers^^

As for your theory^^

Its interesting but somethings are missing. The kids life pretty happy lives so where is this stress coming from? Also ceiling the swamp with cement isn't a 100% sure thing to lock in the water/gas. It cracks over time plus water can seep through it so therefore the town will be affected once again. And what about the mass death on that set date^^ How is that related to the water? Theres also the deal with Rika and her uniqe situation. How does she fit in?

just a few things to look at

Davidj

2007-07-12, 00:37

impossible why didnt the other citizens got weird? why just them??

The question I was responding to was concerning what happened to the swamp. For the purposes of that question, whether or not the theory about the cause of the psychotic behaviour is true or not, (or complete or not) is irrelevant. All that matters is what the government believes to be true. Clearly the government does not believe the "volcanic gas" story because if it did, there would be no reason to keep the area under quarantine for some twenty years. Volcanic gas doesn't hang around. Therefore the gas story is...ah...a smokescreen, yes? The government believes that there was a disease and that is why they destroyed the swamp.

Also of course, the aliens needed a place to land.;)