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spawnofthejudge
2009-04-28, 11:38
Just read through the last few pages and joined to ask about Episode 8. There was talk of it being "pivotal"? Can someone explain? Is that the point where we will know for sure if Season 2 is intertwined with this re-run?

Thanks, and sorry if I'm being stupid.Quickie summary: If we assume that they are airing them in chronological order and inserting in the new episodes where they go in that order rather than tacking them on the end, that's where the first one should be.

quigonkenny
2009-04-28, 13:55
Quickie summary: If we assume that they are airing them in chronological order and inserting in the new episodes where they go in that order rather than tacking them on the end, that's where the first one should be.

Assuming, that is, that they are going to be airing Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody in the "second season", which, assuming they will also be airing Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, is pretty much required...

One would assume... ^_^

Solachinx
2009-04-28, 16:52
Assuming, that is, that they are going to be airing Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody in the "second season", which, assuming they will also be airing Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, is pretty much required...

One would assume... ^_^

That's a lot of assumptions.

nj21
2009-04-28, 21:32
That's a lot of assumptions.

Good point. Time for a new theory:

They will air two reruns, with the episodes in the second rerun inserted into the first rerun in the places where the 2nd season episodes would have been, if they existed.

Anyway, so we "only" have 3-4 weeks till episode 8 right?

danin8r44
2009-04-28, 22:25
That's a lot of assumptions.

Episode 8 is a rerun, but when it is recorded to distribute to the masses a virus appears. The virus travels over to the other files in a coders computer and infects all of his files. One of his files is the Light Novel of Haruhi. The virus finds it's way to The Disappearance. The virus is magical and begins creating animated images of the text. The virus infects all of the broadcasting stations in Japan. One week after episode 8 has come out episode 9 is broadcast by the virus and it turns out to be new content. This time Kyoto Animation was trolled by their own creation. Fans the world over rejoice and KyoAni learns to stop trolling.

That is my hopeful assumption.:D

quigonkenny
2009-04-28, 23:35
Episode 8 is a rerun, but when it is recorded to distribute to the masses a virus appears. The virus travels over to the other files in a coders computer and infects all of his files. One of his files is the Light Novel of Haruhi. The virus finds it's way to The Disappearance. The virus is magical and begins creating animated images of the text. The virus infects all of the broadcasting stations in Japan. One week after episode 8 has come out episode 9 is broadcast by the virus and it turns out to be new content. This time Kyoto Animation was trolled by their own creation. Fans the world over rejoice and KyoAni learns to stop trolling.

That is my hopeful assumption.:D

Heh, smoke 'em if ya got 'em... @__@

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-04-28, 23:37
... That theory has one major flaw: That would mean that something was aired out of order, as chronologically speaking, Episode 8 should be new content if they really are doing this.

Seitsuki
2009-04-29, 05:31
heck they ARE aired out of order.
and meanwhile S2 is *still in production*

aegisofrime
2009-04-29, 06:29
heck they ARE aired out of order.
and meanwhile S2 is *still in production*

From what I have been hearing so far it has been in chronological order.

dragon4dudes
2009-04-29, 11:45
As of now, the second season is 28 episodes in chronological order starting with the first season. Or so we hope

Larthak
2009-04-29, 11:54
It's funny how the last few pages of this thread are all the same. :D

dragon4dudes
2009-04-29, 12:08
It's funny how the last few pages of this thread are all the same. :D

It is, is it not?

M.Marangio
2009-04-29, 12:40
Speaking of milking, the 4/29 classical concert that is of "The Orchestration of S.H." [...]
The following are posted on the website for the goods being offered at this concert event (for quickie conversion, just divide by 100 to rough the dollar amt):

Tumbler - 1570 yen
Electronic carrying case - 1260 yen
Strap (3 versions) - 840 yen
Ltd Ed Event T-shirt - 3150 yen
Pamphlet (yes, the f-ing pamphlet) - 2100 yen

Translation: Dear Otakus, please bring enough dough.

These are from one company, movic (see http://haruhi.tv/fanclub/special_event_gensou.html#buppan for some pics).

There are two other lists on that page: DVDs, CDs and books from animate (including advance orders for the three Haruhi-chan DVDs) and cosplay school uniforms from ACOS (for 7140 Yen).

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 12:53
heck they ARE aired out of order.
and meanwhile S2 is *still in production*

DeX-kun
2009-04-29, 13:22

Waiting for Season 2 of Haruhi is like waiting for a Season 2 of Shuffle! :heh:

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 13:30
Waiting for Season 2 of Haruhi is like waiting for a Season 2 of Shuffle! :heh:

Shuffle needed a season two?

Vicious108
2009-04-29, 13:34
Waiting for Season 2 of Haruhi is like waiting for a Season 2 of Shuffle! :heh:

Or for Duke Nukem Forever.

DeX-kun
2009-04-29, 13:37
Shuffle needed a season two?

Nope, not necessarily but there are people in the Shuffle! forum that like to talk about a Season 2. I could care less considering they completely destroyed my favorite girl but that's besides the point :heh:

I wouldn't mind seeing a Haruhi Season 2 though, it's a shame. I would've preferred a little more romance in the first season but it was good none-the-less.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 13:38
I wouldn't mind seeing a Haruhi Season 2 though, it's a shame. I would've preferred a little more romance in the first season but it was good none-the-less.

Stop talking like there isn't going to be one, please. :D

We'll know for sure on... May 21st, was it?

DeX-kun
2009-04-29, 13:44
Stop talking like there isn't going to be one, please. :D

We'll know for sure on... May 21st, was it?

Gomen, I don't mean to be so pessimistic but I'd rather not get my hopes up considering it's better not to in my opinion ;) If it turns out that we do get a Season 2, then I'll feel much better :heh:

On another note, do you mind updating me a little on some information since I haven't really been up to date. What's going to happen on May 21st?

2009-04-29, 13:58
We'll know for sure on... May 21st, was it?

May 21st?

FUCK.

I'm going to a stupid camp for the "leadership team" at my school on the 21st.

I won't be back until the end of that week.

I should find a corner to be emo in, but I don't want to sit on a spider or anything. Still, fuck. At the time when I could be freaking out about a new season of an awesome show, I'm going to be trying not to vomit during a speech about sticking together and working in a team and teaching blind orphans to use their "I Messages" and all that useless stuff. >:|

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 14:19
On another note, do you mind updating me a little on some information since I haven't really been up to date. What's going to happen on May 21st?

Episode 8.

Okay, you do know that they're currently rerunning Haruhi in chronological order? What's more, it's aired both in HD and using the DVD versions of the episodes.

This is the true chronological order, also. No more Adventures of Mikuru at the start.

Additionally, this "rerun" is scheduled to be 28 episodes, which should mean 14 new episodes.

Now, since Episode 7 is the Baseball episode, then that means that Episode 8 should be entirely new, following the chronological order from the novels.

Understand now?

I should find a corner to be emo in, but I don't want to sit on a spider or anything. Still, fuck. At the time when I could be freaking out about a new season of an awesome show, I'm going to be trying not to vomit during a speech about sticking together and working in a team and teaching blind orphans to use their "I Messages" and all that useless stuff. >:|

As usual, I must apologize, for your suffering has made me laugh once again.

2009-04-29, 14:27
As usual, I must apologize, for your suffering has made me laugh once again.

EVERY TIME, DAMN IT. EVERY TIME.

A couple weeks after that I'm going to another camp, for a week straight. I'll have smuggled candy and canoe trips and other various awesome things, but NO FUCKING NEW EPISODES.

Damn xkcd, making me ask myself if those are different from the regular new episodes.

This has probably already been discussed, but my despair has brought on laziness and I don't want to look back in the pages. Are there any fansubbers who are set to release the new episodes?

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 14:31
Are there any fansubbers who are set to release the new episodes?

Depends on whether or not the new episodes count as licensed.

I'd organize a sub group here, if they're not.

bayoab
2009-04-29, 15:02
What's more, it's aired both in HD and using the DVD versions of the episodes.
There is still no evidence this is HD (especially since S1 was entirely produced in SD).

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 15:08
There is still no evidence this is HD (especially since S1 was entirely produced in SD).

It at least looks FAR sharper and is in FAR higher quality than the original S1.

I'm noticing things I never noticed before, like the background static in some scenes and Haruhi's enormous, overly animated eyebrows.

2009-04-29, 15:14
I'm noticing things I never noticed before, like the background static in some scenes and Haruhi's enormous, overly animated eyebrows.

I noticed her eyebrows when I watched the series on DVD. Usually they're just sort of...there, but sometimes they move so much it's almost hypnotizing. Maybe she stores her power in them?

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 15:21
Maybe she stores her power in them?

I always figured it was her eyes... but hey, that works too.

Roger Rambo
2009-04-29, 15:22
It at least looks FAR sharper and is in FAR higher quality than the original S1.

I'm noticing things I never noticed before, like the background static in some scenes and Haruhi's enormous, overly animated eyebrows.

Why I'm glad I bought this series on DVD.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 15:27
Why I'm glad I bought this series on DVD.

My TV sucks and I felt the dub wasn't good enough to justify buying the DVDs for.

Roger Rambo
2009-04-29, 16:12
My TV sucks and I felt the dub wasn't good enough to justify buying the DVDs for.

Agree about the dub. It was nice in places, but it was still a bit rough. I just got the DVD simply for the higher level of detail so I could catch all the little things.

2009-04-29, 16:19
I bought the DVDs expecting the dub to be total crap and the subtitles to be good.

...well, then.

M.Marangio
2009-04-29, 17:24
I don't know if this was posted yet, but the fourth episode of the rerun (The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya IV) is available from Kadokawa's YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JnNJUOgrqs

dnab
2009-04-29, 19:09
These are from one company, movic (see http://haruhi.tv/fanclub/special_event_gensou.html#buppan for some pics).

There are two other lists on that page: DVDs, CDs and books from animate (including advance orders for the three Haruhi-chan DVDs) and cosplay school uniforms from ACOS (for 7140 Yen).

Hi. Thanks for finding the pics for the f-ing goods. Here's are some pics for the f-ing pamphlet. [1 (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3484864309_f975244ab4.jpg?v=0)] [2 (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3332/3485679356_8b5e25da17.jpg?v=0)]

But it's what's announced at the concert that's relevant to this thread (in Japanese):

１・ハルヒの二期は、二期ではなく、劇場版　話をアレンジした焼失っぽい
２・劇場版は、来春予定
３・劇場版をやる前に、ハルヒの妹を主役にした外伝を出すらしい
４・どうやら、ハルヒの分裂の意味は、ハルヒに双子の妹がいたという事のようだ
５・そいつもハルヒと同じ力を持っているらしい

The blog where this came from has since removed that entry. But if you would take a string from the sentence and Google it you'd still see the cache and its source. Info credibility notwithstanding, too depressed to translate.

And below belongs to tabloid territory. (Now in Chinese)

Source Cover Pic (http://guangzhou.images.skypp.com/small/842425.9084.jpg)

Too incredible to translate, but the torment continues.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 19:32
Sigh. What's up now?

Edit: Getting a semi-translation. Need more proof.

Edit edit: Yeah this is bullshit.

dnab, if all you have for proof of this is a deleted blog post and a Chinese tabloid... yeah, bullshit.

WHY WOULD THEY ANNOUNCE NEW INFO AT AN ORCHESTRAL CONCERT?

quigonkenny
2009-04-29, 19:39
I noticed her eyebrows when I watched the series on DVD. Usually they're just sort of...there, but sometimes they move so much it's almost hypnotizing. Maybe she stores her power in them?

Those are fake eyebrows made of seaweed that she wears so that the cute alien girl can't brain her with a guitar and extract things from the N.O. Portal that results.

C.A.
2009-04-29, 19:42
dnab's post is old news, unless 28 episode news turns out false, this is for the Chinese bit.

The Japanese bit is almost impossible if it means what it says, Haruhi's twin sister with same powers will be getting a movie.

jedi423
2009-04-29, 22:31
Hi. Thanks for finding the pics for the f-ing goods. Here's are some pics for the f-ing pamphlet. [1 (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3592/3484864309_f975244ab4.jpg?v=0)] [2 (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3332/3485679356_8b5e25da17.jpg?v=0)]

But it's what's announced at the concert that's relevant to this thread (in Japanese):

１・ハルヒの二期は、二期ではなく、劇場版　話をアレンジした焼失っぽい
２・劇場版は、来春予定
３・劇場版をやる前に、ハルヒの妹を主役にした外伝を出すらしい
４・どうやら、ハルヒの分裂の意味は、ハルヒに双子の妹がいたという事のようだ
５・そいつもハルヒと同じ力を持っているらしい

The blog where this came from has since removed that entry. But if you would take a string from the sentence and Google it you'd still see the cache and its source. Info credibility notwithstanding, too depressed to translate.

Oh, no! A deleted blog post with no relation to the publisher or author says something crazy, so it must be true. Throw out all that we've heard so far, and bow down to dnab for breaking the news!

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 22:34
Oh, no! A deleted blog post with no relation to the publisher or author says something crazy, so it must be true. Throw out all that we've heard so far, and bow down to dnab for breaking the news!

But, still. There's a possibility it's right. It's Kadokawa, they'd do it.

dnab
2009-04-29, 22:47
Reason for posting unsubstantiated and possibly emotional fanning messages:

Because we've got roughly 3 weeks of nothing better to do. Being a conspiracist I'd rather think these are coordinated dis-disinformation aimed at adding fan angst and increasing "surprise" value of whatever, whenever. Hey if this is what Kadokawa marketing wants (Super Marketing Coordinator: Suzumiya Haruhi), I'm right there into the swing of things.

I won't be generating things, but will I post something that smells funny, hell yeah! Don't shoot me, I'm just a messenger of mass disinformation.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-04-29, 22:51
Reason for posting unsubstantiated and possibly emotional fanning messages:

Because we've got roughly 3 weeks of nothing better to do. Being a conspiracist I'd rather think these are coordinated dis-disinformation aimed at adding fan angst and increasing "surprise" value of whatever, whenever. Hey if this is what Kadokawa marketing wants (Super Marketing Coordinator: Suzumiya Haruhi), I'm right there into the swing of things.

I won't be generating things, but will I post something that smells funny, hell yeah! Don't shoot me, I'm just a messenger of mass disinformation.

dnab.

That was one blog post. I haven't been able to find any other information on the subject.

Crack disinformation about Haruhi is not funny. It will never be funny after two straight years of trolling.

dnab
2009-04-29, 23:16
Point taken. I personally thought that whatever the publisher throws at the audience, deliberate or not, ought to be taken at face value as part of the Haruhi experience. But yes, after the long absence it can create some very agitated, albeit still loyal, fanbase. Apologies for my insensitivity.

However I do subscribe to the theory that the long absence of the 10th novel and S2 had less to do with writer's block or creative differences and more with money - that somewhere, somehow, someone doesn't think he's getting his fair share of this incredible Haruhi pie. Thus the past trolls weren't by choice but more to do with negotiation impasse. Again no facts, no reports, just the universal tendency of business people tend to think monetarily happens to be the simplest and most natural explanation.

Is theorizing ok?

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-04-30, 00:07
Those are fake eyebrows made of seaweed that she wears so that the cute alien girl can't brain her with a guitar and extract things from the N.O. Portal that results.

. . . Now I'm picturing Nagato hitting Haruhi in the head with a guitar :heh:

Mecha_Trueno
2009-05-01, 16:01
. . . Now I'm picturing Nagato hitting Haruhi in the head with a guitar :heh:That CAN happen in Haruhi-chan:heh:

ijuinkun
2009-05-01, 23:40
Well, if Yuki takes the tsukkomi role in opposition to Haruhi's boke, she might.

Ithekro
2009-05-02, 02:01
I'd rather picture Yuki in the shower myself.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-02, 02:17
. . . Now I'm picturing Nagato hitting Haruhi in the head with a guitar :heh:

This would be very awesome. I approve.

Hey, why not genderbend FLCL oh right we already discussed this. So much rape.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-02, 02:28
I'd rather picture Yuki in the shower myself.

... I'm watching you...

Ithekro
2009-05-02, 03:44
Goddess is Goddess. You watching me watching her makes less sense than both us watching her together. On the pedestal she is. Touch her, one cannot.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-02, 03:51
... Let's keep it that way... :heh:

ReneeBurossamu
2009-05-02, 12:38
... Am I the only one who thinks that they're going to screw us over and replay all the old 14 episodes, and save the mixed up S2 for last?

IF THERE'S A SEASON 2.

2009-05-02, 12:42
... Am I the only one who thinks that they're going to screw us over and replay all the old 14 episodes, and save the mixed up S2 for last?

IF THERE'S A SEASON 2.

I sort of hope that's what happens, because then I wouldn't miss anything when I'm stuck at the leadership camp of despair. *whines some more* ;__; I doubt that's what will actually happen, though.

Ithekro
2009-05-02, 13:15
You'll be able to see the YouTube broadcast which may be the following week or two.

2009-05-02, 13:24
Yeah, but I'll miss the explosions that will happen here if new episodes are aired. I suppose I could just post "EXPLOOOOSIONS" or something before I left, but it wouldn't be the same. :/

Also, that would be too literal.

Ithekro
2009-05-02, 13:25
There will be plenty of aftershocks and blogs to read. I missed the first airing by over a year, but I can still read about the explosions.

egobarrier
2009-05-02, 17:46
I sort of hope that's what happens, because then I wouldn't miss anything when I'm stuck at the leadership camp of despair. *whines some more* ;__; I doubt that's what will actually happen, though.

Well, there's always the possibility that they'll air the episodes in "novel order" and give us Sighs for episode 7. Don't hold your breath though.

Ithekro
2009-05-02, 18:44
That would be even weirder.

egobarrier
2009-05-02, 19:16
Not as weird as the original broadcast order. Remember, this is Kadokawa: nothing is unreasonable.

IMO chronological order is definitely the most logical, but I don't think novel order is any weirder than 14 old-14 new (and certainly more logical than a 14 old-14 old troll).

Littm
2009-05-02, 19:21
Not as weird as the original broadcast order. I don't think novel order is any weirder than 14 old-14 new
Well, we already discussed this some weeks ago.

quigonkenny
2009-05-03, 02:16
Well, there's always the possibility that they'll air the episodes in "novel order" and give us Sighs for episode 7. Don't hold your breath though.

Well, that's certainly possible (translation: it hasn't been rendered impossible yet by showing something other than Melancholy I-V in order), but unless they're airing more than 28 episodes total, that would leave some holes...wouldn't it?

**looks at the volume order of the chapters, does some quick (probably incorrect) math**

Actually, no it wouldn't... That could work... And depending upon how many episodes they give Sigh and Vanishment, they could actually end the 28 on "Asahina Mikuru no Bouken Episode 00"...

That's oddly fitting...

Ithekro
2009-05-03, 02:26
Still, that would be weird to have this in novel order:
(new episodes in bold)

"Novel Order"

Melancholy I
Melancholy II
Melancholy III
Melancholy IV
Melancholy V
Melancholy VI
Sighs I
Sighs II
Sighs III
Sighs IV
Boredom
Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody
Mysterique Sign
Lone Island Syndrome I
Lone Island Syndrome II
(Someday in the Rain) - estimated location/not in the novels
Disappearance I
Disappearance II
Disappearance III
Disappearance IV
Disappearance V
Endless Eight
Day of Sagittarius
Snow Mountain Syndrome
Live Alive
Episode 00
Charmed at First Sight LOVER
Where Did the Cat Go?

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-03, 02:28
Wow, that uh, wow.

Can totally see them doing that, especially since the opening of Sighs is the ending of Melancholy.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-03, 02:29
Would make a bit of sense, I suppose :heh:

Zantetsuken
2009-05-03, 03:44
What episode has been broadcasted by now?

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-03, 04:02
What episode has been broadcasted by now?

Episode 5, broadcast episode 13. The one where the Avatars first appear.

Zantetsuken
2009-05-03, 06:59
So it's broadcasted in the chronological order?

Solachinx
2009-05-03, 07:29
MIV aired? I thought it wouldn't because of Golden Week...

egobarrier
2009-05-03, 08:33
For comparison sake, here's the two lists side-by-side (new stuff in bold):

Novel Order .......................................... Chronological Order

Melancholy I ......................................... Melancholy I
Melancholy II ........................................ Melancholy II
Melancholy III ....................................... Melancholy III
Melancholy IV ........................................ Melancholy IV
Melancholy V ......................................... Melancholy V
Melancholy VI ........................................ Melancholy VI
Sighs I ................................................ Boredom
Sighs II ............................................... Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody
Sighs III .............................................. Mysterique Sign
Sighs IV .............................................. Lone Island Syndrome I
Boredom ............................................... Lone Island Syndrome II
Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody ......................... Endless Eight
Mysterique Sign ...................................... Sighs I
Lone Island Syndrome I ............................ Sighs II
Lone Island Syndrome II ........................... Sighs III
Someday in the Rain(?) ............................. Sighs IV
Disappearance I .................................... Episode 00
Disappearance II ................................... Live Alive
Disappearance III .................................. Day of Sagittarius
Disappearance IV .................................. Someday in the Rain
Disappearance V ................................... Disappearance I
Endless Eight ........................................ Disappearance II
Day of Sagittarius ................................... Disappearance III
Snow Mountain Syndrome ...................... Disappearance IV
Live Alive .............................................. Disappearance V
Episode 00 ............................................. Charmed at First Sight LOVER
Charmed at First Sight LOVER.................. Snow Mountain Syndrome
Where Did the Cat Go? ........................... Where Did the Cat Go?

(I don't think Sighs warrants 4 episodes, but whatever)

Pretty similar, all things considered. I like chronological order for simplicity, but the fact that novel order is more balanced between old and new is also appealing. Funny how the last episode is the same.

Rice_slayer
2009-05-03, 10:00
^^ Isn't Signs taken place RIGHT after Melancholy, as Kyon tries to tell Haruhi about what happened but she doesn't believe him?

Vegard Aune
2009-05-03, 10:13
^^ Isn't Signs taken place RIGHT after Melancholy, as Kyon tries to tell Haruhi about what happened but she doesn't believe him?
The prologue is, but the rest of the book takes place right before the cultural festival, as far as I know. (I didn't actually finish Sighs, but from what I heard, the movie was literarily finished at the last second.)

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2009-05-03, 11:47
The prologue is, but the rest of the book takes place right before the cultural festival, as far as I know. (I didn't actually finish Sighs, but from what I heard, the movie was literarily finished at the last second.)

How the editing of the final film was completed is still a mystery; Kyon doesn't remember finishing it, as he fell asleep with fatigue at some stage during the process. Some things are better left a mystery.:heh:

Solachinx
2009-05-03, 11:49
How the editing of the final film was completed is still a mystery; Kyon doesn't remember finishing it, as he fell asleep with fatigue at some stage during the process. Some things are better left a mystery.:heh:

I still think it was Haruhi with her 1337 god powers...

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2009-05-03, 12:01
I still think it was Haruhi with her 1337 god powers...

It doesn't need divine intervention in this case. Any member of SOS-dan beside Mikuru has the means of doing it.

My bet is that Haruhi finished the job, but she did it the old fashioned way without using any magic. After all, she was the one who forced Kyon to do all the editing himself, so she might have felt bad of overworking Kyon.

Also note that the Haruhi at the end of the filming process is the "new" Haruhi, the deredere Haruhi seen in episode 10 of the 1st season, who held Kyon's hand. She could have done the final editing as an apology for what happened in the "incident" earlier.

Seitsuki
2009-05-03, 19:45
The PSP Haruhi game actually covered that. Kyon was actually editing the movie bit by bit throughout the game and when you reached one of the many endings, most of the time, the movie is done.

The game also covered how did "Koi no Mikuru Densetsu" (movie theme song) came about. :heh:

Whether it is considered as non-canon or canon, I'm not sure though.

the way i remember it Kyon found a disk and looked into it, which is how he found out about the theme. did it cover when the recording took place as well?
tho i've only been through the haruhi route ^^;

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-04, 10:21
Question: During the Asakura sequence in Episode 5 (rebroadcast order), there is a pair of names scrawled under an umbrella (signifying that the owners of the names are a couple) on one of the desks.

Anyone care to translate the names? The shot only lasts like half a second, but it's about when Kyon is asking why Asakura is trying to kill him.

Also, I never realized "WHY? Naze?" was during that sequence. Amusing.

animekritik
2009-05-04, 10:52
Question: During the Asakura sequence in Episode 5 (rebroadcast order), there is a pair of names scrawled under an umbrella (signifying that the owners of the names are a couple) on one of the desks.

Anyone care to translate the names? The shot only lasts like half a second, but it's about when Kyon is asking why Asakura is trying to kill him.

Also, I never realized "WHY? Naze?" was during that sequence. Amusing.

could you put a screencap up?

baltakatei
2009-05-04, 12:31
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/Picture6.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/Picture8.png

aegisofrime
2009-05-04, 13:09
Thanks for that. The attention to detail in Haruhi is really amazing.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-04, 15:03
HOLY, that's nice.

Also there appears to be yet another pair of names, on a rock, during the sequence when Asakura dissolves... I don't think it's the same pair of names, however.

baltakatei
2009-05-04, 19:13
You're right, the names are different, even though one of them still appears to be Gotou's:
The second name fragment contains "後藤" (Gotou's name) along with the name of someone else. The name isn't Hayama (葉山) as was seen before on the intact blackboard. The first kanji on the rock contains the "左" radical. The only other classmate whose name contains this radical is the girl Saeki (佐伯). Also, Gotou's name is located on the right instead of on the left as it was on the intact blackboard.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/Picture12.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/Picture13.png
Conveniently, Saeki, Gotou, and Hayama all sit next to eachother:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/Picture9.png

Possible explanations for the discrepancy:
1. Some background illustrator erroneously mixed up both which girl Gotou was with and the relative positioning of their names.
2. Gotou had his name written in two different places (possibly two different classrooms) with two different girls (who both sit next to him).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/-5.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1236492680594-1.jpg

ReneeBurossamu
2009-05-04, 19:41
You're right, the names are different, even though one of them still appears to be Gotou's:
The second name fragment contains "後藤" (Gotou's name) along with the name of someone else. The name isn't Hayama (葉山) as was seen before on the intact blackboard. The first kanji on the rock contains the "左" radical. The only other classmate whose name contains this radical is the girl Saeki (佐伯). Also, Gotou's name is located on the right instead of on the left as it was on the intact blackboard.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/Picture12.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/Picture13.png
Conveniently, Saeki, Gotou, and Hayama all sit next to eachother:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/Picture9.png

Possible explanations for the discrepancy:
1. Some background illustrator erroneously mixed up both which girl Gotou was with and the relative positioning of their names.
2. Gotou had his name written in two different places (possibly two different classrooms) with two different girls (who both sit next to him).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/-5.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/baltakatei/1236492680594-1.jpg

Ouch... that's just terrible.
Has anyone been paying attention to the classroom's background in the episodes?

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2009-05-04, 19:50
Ouch... that's just terrible.
Has anyone been paying attention to the classroom's background in the episodes?
Terrible in what way?:D

It just seem like it is your typical love triangle:heh: The guy's got two girls after him, and he is surrounded by them in class!

Ithekro
2009-05-04, 19:55
If it is on the chalkboard it might be an assignment of some kind (room cleaning or whatever).

Agent86
2009-05-04, 21:43
I know that the "episode list" is just a guess, but I've always thought that Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody would cover two episodes. Remote Island Syndrome covered two episodes with a less complex story.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-04, 21:52
It just seem like it is your typical love triangle:heh: The guy's got two girls after him, and he is surrounded by them in class!

... sounds like he'd be the perfect male lead for a VN based around Haruhi and Kyon's less-important classmates :heh:

quigonkenny
2009-05-04, 22:26
I know that the "episode list" is just a guess, but I've always thought that Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody would cover two episodes. Remote Island Syndrome covered two episodes with a less complex story.

Nah, BLR can fit pretty well into a single episode. It's detailed, all right, but go back and read it again, and you'll realize that aside from the "thing that Kyon helps Haruhi do", which could easily be montaged, it doesn't take very long at all.

Ithekro
2009-05-04, 22:37
Plus it will be revisited later on, so what they miss can be filled in I suppose.

Agent86
2009-05-04, 22:43
Nah, BLR can fit pretty well into a single episode. It's detailed, all right, but go back and read it again, and you'll realize that aside from the "thing that Kyon helps Haruhi do", which could easily be montaged, it doesn't take very long at all.
I have read it recently, and I think the Tanabata setup itself would take up most of an episode. Break when they get to their "destination," and another episode for the rest.

I guess it's just my personal preference that (possibly) the most important story in the whole Haruhi canon not be rushed. And montaging it would be, IMO, rushing it. I'd rather lose the cat story and see BLR at 2 eps. But it's all guesswork and wishful thinking at this point anyway.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-04, 23:05
The important part is the conversation, not Kyon doing the chalk lines. That part is pretty much skipped over anyway :heh:

Ithekro
2009-05-04, 23:19
Plus we have Kyon drawing the chalk lines already from that live action teaser two years ago.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-05, 01:01
... sounds like he'd be the perfect male lead for a VN based around Haruhi and Kyon's less-important classmates :heh:

He looks a little smarmy for a lead character though.

I know that the "episode list" is just a guess, but I've always thought that Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody would cover two episodes. Remote Island Syndrome covered two episodes with a less complex story.

Remote/Lone/Whatever Island Syndrome was also largely comprised of anime-original segments and censorship, in addition to the original material.

It could have been cut down to one episode easily.

I have read it recently, and I think the Tanabata setup itself would take up most of an episode. Break when they get to their "destination," and another episode for the rest.

It appears a rewatch of the series is in order... >_>

They've fit more content than that into single episodes before. Day of Sagittarius, for example. Or hell, Melancholy I.

I guess it's just my personal preference that (possibly) the most important story in the whole Haruhi canon not be rushed. And montaging it would be, IMO, rushing it. I'd rather lose the cat story and see BLR at 2 eps. But it's all guesswork and wishful thinking at this point anyway.

The "cat story" is one of the only stories that contains Koizumi development. I'd rather not lose it.

Besides, it's a good ending in the same way that Someday in the Rain is a good ending. Short, light, fluffy. Very Haruhi as a whole.

The important part is the conversation, not Kyon doing the chalk lines. That part is pretty much skipped over anyway :heh:

Most of the text is Kyon talking to himself anyway, which the anime tended to either gloss over or integrate into other scenes.

BLR can fit into one episode just fine.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-05, 01:13
He looks a little smarmy for a lead character though.

Kyon looks a little "background character-y" for a lead character. What's your point? :heh:

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-05, 01:44
Kyon looks a little "background character-y" for a lead character. What's your point? :heh:

Hmm. True.

quigonkenny
2009-05-05, 02:46
Plus it will be revisited later on, so what they miss can be filled in I suppose.

Not really. In the later "revisitation" to the BLR "setting"—

...Aw, screw it...In the later return to the "three years ago" of Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, via Yuki's backdoor program in Disappearance, there is very little shared between that and BLR. The largest bit is a little voyeurism of the parkbench scene, but that's not much.

Now, the events on that night shown in Disappearance and the Intrigues prologue, on the other hand, are very conducive to some imaginative adaptation. Depending upon their choices of what to show when, they could excise almost all of the pertenent portion of the Intrigues prologue, slap it into Disappearance at the appropriate time (I'm thinking have a commercial break right after Ryoko attacks and follow Intrigues!Kyon, Intrigues!Mikuru(small), and Intrigues!Yuki from right before that point until Kyon "wakes up from the coma"), and fold what they didn't move into the end of Snow Mountain Syndrome or Where Did the Cat Go?, as a very nice end to both Disappearance and the "season".

spawnofthejudge
2009-05-05, 07:21
... sounds like he'd be the perfect male lead for a VN based around Haruhi and Kyon's less-important classmates :heh:
The best part about such a thing would be non-sequitor jokes about the SOS Brigade in the background of scenes (the beginning of an after class scene would include a short description of Kyon being dragged out of the classroom by Haruhi, a beat of pause, and then people would go back to what they were doing).

Hmm...

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-05, 15:35
The best part about such a thing would be non-sequitor jokes about the SOS Brigade in the background of scenes (the beginning of an after class scene would include a short description of Kyon being dragged out of the classroom by Haruhi, a beat of pause, and then people would go back to what they were doing).

Hmm...

I've been saying something like this for years.

quigonkenny
2009-05-05, 23:23
The best part about such a thing would be non-sequitor jokes about the SOS Brigade in the background of scenes (the beginning of an after class scene would include a short description of Kyon being dragged out of the classroom by Haruhi, a beat of pause, and then people would go back to what they were doing).

Hmm...

So... The Background Character of Haruhi Suzumiya? Or The Non Sequitur of [Random Background Character]...

Speaking of non sequiturs, anyone notice that none of the classmembers have a full name? Besides Haruhi and Ryoko, of course. ^_^

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-05, 23:26
Speaking of non sequiturs, anyone notice that none of the classmembers have a full name? Besides Haruhi and Ryoko, of course. ^_^

Kyon's usual naming convention at work?

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-05, 23:42
Pretty sure that just means not to expect anything special from them. The only one that really matters that wasn't introduced in volume one is Sakanaka, and she's only relevant for like, one story.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-06, 00:05
The only one that really matters that wasn't introduced in volume one is Sakanaka, and she's only relevant for like, one story.

Maybe.

Stupid character limit.

quigonkenny
2009-05-06, 01:33
Pretty sure that just means not to expect anything special from them.
That's exactly what it means, literally. Partial name/nickname means they're normal human (Kyon, Tsuruya, Kyon's Sister, Computer Club Chairman, Arakawa, etc.). Full name means they're "special" (Haruhi Suzumiya, Itsuki Koizumi, Ryoko Asakura, Kyoko Tachibana, etc.). So far the only characters we've actually seen in the series that don't match up to that from what we've seen, are "Fujiwara" (hence why I always use quotes around his name, and will stop once he's depowered or renamed in Volume 10), Mori Sunou (only a matter of time until she "comes out"), and possibly the Tamura "brothers" (if they are actually brothers, and if that is their name). We've already had a single name character who was depowered (Nakagawa), a single name who is powerless but who may be gaining powers (Sasaki), and a full name character with a nickname (Miyoko Yoshimura, aka "Miyokichi") who we've only ever heard about, and may not even exist, just to muck things up further.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-06, 01:58
Miyoko shows up in Vol.9 in one scene, but then, Kyon could be lying.

Maybe.

Ithekro
2009-05-06, 03:52
Will there be an episode this week? The calculation to episode 8 was based on their being no holidays that delay episode broadcasts in the period of time between April 3th and May 21st.

2009-05-06, 06:41
Miyoko shows up in Vol.9 in one scene, but then, Kyon could be lying.

Maybe.

But then again, couldn't Kyon be lying about the entire story? Unreliable narrators and whatnot...He'd be a total dickhead if he made up the whole thing, but who says Kyon's never been an asshole?

typhonsentra
2009-05-06, 08:03
It seems like an embarrassing thing to lie about. Then again he did seem to be over it by the time he was talking to Koizumi about it in volume 9. He just kept going on and on about her.

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-06, 10:53
Hi there :) I'm reading you for a while (I read all the second season-related messages since page 140...) and I wanted to register too ;)

The 5th episode was released!

It's written as released since April 30th, but that can't be true, it has only 369 views and 42 comments, the older of them being posted 2 hours ago.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-06, 12:12
They're up for about a week as private videos before being officially "released."

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-06, 16:12
Does anyone can see the private videos except Kadokawa? Like “special customers”?...

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-06, 16:21
I think the only people who can view private videos are the person/people who the account belongs to and anyone in the friends list. Not really sure, though, as I've only encountered one private video and I couldn't even watch it due to region locking. :heh:

quigonkenny
2009-05-06, 17:11
I think the only people who can view private videos are the person/people who the account belongs to and anyone in the friends list. Not really sure, though, as I've only encountered one private video and I couldn't even watch it due to region locking. :heh:

1. Go to the YouTube.com main site and create an account (top of page).
3. Go back to YouTube.com main site and click on "Subscriptions".
4. ???
5. PROFIT!

If you're not in Japan or the US, use a proxy service to emulate being from one of those countries. That should avoid any region locking issues.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-06, 17:47
Just subscribing is enough? I did not know that :heh:

Peanutbutter
2009-05-06, 20:04
Just subscribing is enough? I did not know that :heh:

That doesn't work for private videos.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-06, 20:59
That's what I thought.

SealkidHaruhiism
2009-05-06, 21:34
Hi there :) I'm reading you for a while (I read all the second season-related messages since page 140...) and I wanted to register too ;)

The 5th episode was released!

It's written as released since April 30th, but that can't be true, it has only 369 views and 42 comments, the older of them being posted 2 hours ago.

They said that The new name is Haruhi Suzumiya New Animation.
They should called it The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 2009!
:)

quigonkenny
2009-05-06, 21:46
That doesn't work for private videos.

The Haruhi releases aren't private videos.

Jethro
2009-05-06, 21:48
Does the process of subscribing to Kadokawa and using proxy actually work lol.

dragon4dudes
2009-05-06, 22:11
See above, the proxy might get around region locking, but I don't know having never tried myself. Private videos must be friends to view, if I remember correctly.

Peanutbutter
2009-05-06, 23:27
Hi there :) I'm reading you for a while (I read all the second season-related messages since page 140...) and I wanted to register too ;)

The 5th episode was released!

It's written as released since April 30th, but that can't be true, it has only 369 views and 42 comments, the older of them being posted 2 hours ago.

The Haruhi releases aren't private videos.

They are private videos, prior to "official release".

ijuinkun
2009-05-07, 00:37
Will there be an episode this week? The calculation to episode 8 was based on their being no holidays that delay episode broadcasts in the period of time between April 3th and May 21st.

Some series do skip a week for "Golden Week", which was this past weekend.

Mori Sunou (only a matter of time until she "comes out"), and possibly the Tamura "brothers" (if they are actually brothers, and if that is their name).

It is implied that Mori, Arakawa, and the Tamuras are Espers as well, being elite agents of the Organization as well as their close association with Koizumi and all. Thus, it is only Arakawa, for whom we are only told a surname, who breaks the pattern among their group . . .

bayoab
2009-05-07, 01:25
If you're not in Japan or the US, use a proxy service to emulate being from one of those countries. That should avoid any region locking issues.Kadokawa hasn't been region blocking. The videos are showing as "Worldwide".

quigonkenny
2009-05-07, 02:09
They are private videos, prior to "official release".

Show some manners. I can read perfectly fine, thank you very much, and I know how the "Go to first post" link works, considering I use it exclusively, specifically so I don't skip someone's post that has the answer to the question I need to ask, or that says the same thing I'm about to. If you had any idea the number of times I've had to suggest to someone over on the Fullmetal forums to do just that, you'd understand how silly being told that is to me.

I said the videos aren't private, because they aren't; at least they haven't been for me. I hadn't looked at Melancholy V yet, but for at least two of the previous ones I've viewed (I, IIRC, and III), I was able to access them through my subscriptions while they were still at "added 1 day ago". Now unless they started making them private with V (or IV), which would make no sense, that would certainly suggest that they aren't set for private, wouldn't it?

This is the first time they've released it this close to the broadcast (almost simultaneously, by the look of it), so maybe that's what is throwing people...

Did anyone who is subscribed try to look for Melancholy V less than 6 days ago? Last I was on the site was to watch the Haruhi-chans and Churuya-san right after they came out, and they were the most recent Haruhi videos on the channel at the time (I think there might have been a non-Haruhi video as well).

Peanutbutter
2009-05-07, 05:32
Show some manners. I can read perfectly fine, thank you very much, and I know how the "Go to first post" link works, considering I use it exclusively, specifically so I don't skip someone's post that has the answer to the question I need to ask, or that says the same thing I'm about to. If you had any idea the number of times I've had to suggest to someone over on the Fullmetal forums to do just that, you'd understand how silly being told that is to me.

I said the videos aren't private, because they aren't; at least they haven't been for me. I hadn't looked at Melancholy V yet, but for at least two of the previous ones I've viewed (I, IIRC, and III), I was able to access them through my subscriptions while they were still at "added 1 day ago". Now unless they started making them private with V (or IV), which would make no sense, that would certainly suggest that they aren't set for private, wouldn't it?

This is the first time they've released it this close to the broadcast (almost simultaneously, by the look of it), so maybe that's what is throwing people...

Did anyone who is subscribed try to look for Melancholy V less than 6 days ago? Last I was on the site was to watch the Haruhi-chans and Churuya-san right after they came out, and they were the most recent Haruhi videos on the channel at the time (I think there might have been a non-Haruhi video as well).

Manners? I don't show them to those who doesn't do so in the first place.

I said the videos aren't private, because they aren't; at least they haven't been for me.

That's because that's the way Youtube works. Private videos are private. Nobody knows their existence, when they are uploaded, how many views they have, their urls etc. Unless you have the password to their account or they have listed that friends can see them, provided you are listed as one of their friends.

These private videos are then made "available to all" once it reached the time of broadcast, namely, every Wednesday at 1200 GMT. Prior to them, they may have already been uploaded but not known to all yet.

Try this. On every Friday, 1200 GMT, new Haruhi-chan and Churuya-san videos will be up, available to all. If you note, they were uploaded roughly 6 hours ago at that point of time and as private videos. (based on current trends)

Subscriptions and friends are different things. I subscribe to their Youtube channel, I practically checked their account every few hours and I myself have an account that I play around with, so I'm perfectly clear on this.

It's those people that don't understand what's going on and jumps to conclusions in the first place.

dnab
2009-05-07, 14:05
Title should be "The Continuing Buildup of Marketing and Fan Angst Towards the Second Season of Suzumiya Haruhi". This time I present some good(?) tiding.

http://cg-love.com/s1/f04o6nn.jpg

That would be the authentic(? looking) ad in the most recent The Sneaker magazine, saying that in the August issue, which will go on sale on 6/30, there shall be a special supplement titled(? temporarily?) "The Memory of Suzumiya Haruhi", in conjunction to the rerun(?) of TV anime "Melancholy", provide the entire history(?) of Haruhi-verse and many other relevant information(?). Of course this being a full "Haruhi" effort - baseball metaphor Full Pitch - that's not all........(?)

Fans are free to speculate on this deliberately ambiguous ad. It neither confirmed or precluded new Tanigawa Haruhi story to come out in July. But given all the uncertainties, there's one thing I'm absolutely certain of, the price of August Sneaker shall be 740 yen (tax included).

How's this relevant to the 2nd Season? Mochiron, the theory goes that if it should exist there ought to be a massive, coordinated, multimedia effort across all platforms happening around the same time of "The Confirmed Sighting of a Real Episode of the Second Season of Suzumiya Haruhi". Conversely, a troll would also look exactly like this. One of the main theme in SH is about Possibilities, afterall.

Ithekro
2009-05-07, 14:55
Two more weeks.

Or one more if that "novel order" theory pans out.

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-07, 16:24
→ Hey, the video was uploaded again 13 hours ago o_O I wonder why.

bayoab
2009-05-07, 16:31
→ Hey, the video was uploaded again 13 hours ago o_O I wonder why.

The first copy had 27 seconds of black screen in the beginning for some reason.

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-07, 16:32
The reason may be The Disparition of Haruhi Suzumiya!

... or not.

SealkidHaruhiism
2009-05-07, 16:58
Title should be "The Continuing Buildup of Marketing and Fan Angst Towards the Second Season of Suzumiya Haruhi". This time I present some good(?) tiding.

http://cg-love.com/s1/f04o6nn.jpg

That would be the authentic(? looking) ad in the most recent The Sneaker magazine, saying that in the August issue, which will go on sale on 6/30, there shall be a special supplement titled(? temporarily?) "The Memory of Suzumiya Haruhi", in conjunction to the rerun of TV anime "Melancholy", provide the entire history(?) of Haruhi-verse and many other relevant information(?). Of course this being a full "Haruhi" effort - baseball metaphor Full Pitch - that's not all........(?)

Fans are free to speculate on this deliberately ambiguous ad. It neither confirmed or precluded new Tanigawa Haruhi story to come out in July. But given all the uncertainties, there's one thing I'm absolutely certain of, the price of August Sneaker shall be 740 yen (tax included).

can't wait!
Is there 28 episodes ( 14 new ones )
or a new season.
also can't wait!
Please release Vol. 10 The Surprise of Haruhi Suzumiya!:D:D:):):bow: Haruhi Suzumiya

typhonsentra
2009-05-07, 19:08
Well the magazine would be going on sale right around the time the 14th episode would be airing. Anything's possible I suppose. But... we've said that many times before, eh?

Jintor
2009-05-07, 19:33
We say that, and then we get epic trolled. I'm just gonna wait for the evidence first...

ReneeBurossamu
2009-05-07, 20:18
I have lost all hope in Kadokawa.

2009-05-07, 20:33
I think that if Kadokawa ever pulls shit like they have before again, we should troll them in return. No idea how, but it will happen. And it will be more epic trollage than what they have done.

Kadokawa deserves it. If it didn't seem like something new was going to be aired besides Haruhi-chan, then a lot more people would be loudly proclaiming that the company was comprised mainly of bitchy assholery and the souls of adorable children.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-07, 20:48
I think that if Kadokawa ever pulls shit like they have before again, we should troll them in return. No idea how, but it will happen. And it will be more epic trollage than what they have done.

I think delivering an atomic bomb to their front door would be epic trollage enough.

dragon4dudes
2009-05-07, 22:33
Nah, the US has already done that... We need something original and probably more anime-risque. Any ideas?

Semantics
2009-05-07, 22:53
By trolling us worshiping fans, Kadokawa is effectively trolling himself. The cow is milked ENOUGH already and if all this fiasco is a new attempt at trollage, his revenue under the Suzumiya Haruhi category will seriously plummet. The franchise will lose its credibility and go under history as one of the laughingstocks of the Japanese (and international) anime industries.

Sad thing is, even after being deceived and cheated several times, us die-hard fans are still not willing to give up on Haruhi (because she's just TOO AWESOME) and subsequently Kadokawa. We may not trust him anymore and but his trolling attempts have evoked countless discussions and analysis that is sure to keep the franchise in the spotlight and save lots of marketing dollars. The way I see it, the one possible way to stop Kadokawa trollage is to stop Haruhi fandom itself. Which is impossible.

Long story short, we are at the mercy of Kadokawa -- he has sole monopoly of Haruhi and damned if he isn't the stingiest business man in all of Japan. I'm all for epic revenge trolling but see no plausible practical way to do it.

The atomic bomb MIGHT work though.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-07, 22:55
KADOKAWA IS A COMPANY, NOT A PERSON.

Seriously, I don't know why people just don't google the name or something.

ReneeBurossamu
2009-05-07, 22:57
... Kadokawa is the COMPANY that's trolling us, not the creator of Haruhi.

Someone wake me up when a season two episode is up, kthnx.

Reckoner
2009-05-07, 22:58
Title should be "The Continuing Buildup of Marketing and Fan Angst Towards the Second Season of Suzumiya Haruhi". This time I present some good(?) tiding.

http://cg-love.com/s1/f04o6nn.jpg

You just got my hopes up again so I could get epically trolled by Kadokawa again. :upset:

dnab
2009-05-08, 00:27
You just got my hopes up again so I could get epically trolled by Kadokawa again. :upset:

But, think about this, if this time is a troll, it's "tada no Troll-janai". Considering the TV, magazine, events, and promotional convergence, viral disinformation campaign, confirmation/denial/gag-ordering, calling it an Epic Troll is a gross understatement. It's Lawrence of Arabia Troll, Ben-Hur Troll, Cleopatroll, The Mother of All Trolls. One Troll That Rules Them All, the Passion of Troll, The Blues Trolls, Honey I Shrank the Trolls, and (mochiron) The Troll of Suzumiya Haruhi.

Given the scale and scope of this troll, a marketing opportunity. T-shirt concept:

Eva-style text arrangement, with interlocked phrases over black background. Text: Anger, Angst, Hope, Worship, I Was Trolled by Kadokawaism 2009

dnab
2009-05-08, 01:16
KADOKAWA IS A COMPANY, NOT A PERSON.

Seriously, I don't know why people just don't google the name or something.

Interestingly, and in no way disagreeing with the above statement, Kadokawa Shoten's name sake came from the family of Kadokawa, which founded, ran, and probably still runs the company. An one time company president Haruki Kadokawa created quite a stir on the Usenet in the 90's (as one may still search groups.google.com with keywords [kadokawa jail] and find some tidbits) by landing himself into jail via drug related charges. He'd since transferred control to his brother and one would assume the family name still runs the show. Believe it or not many a Japanese publishers would also orphan serial novels or manga on regular basis, and the joke around that time would go something like : "Hey why hasn't XYZ manga been seen for a while?" "Because Mr. Kadokawa's in jail, Mochiron!"

So, a company president sets tone and culture throughout his organization, and if one has a grudge against the Kadokawa Shoten's business practices, one may technically take it out on a Mr. Kadokawa, somewhere.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-08, 01:17
So, a company president sets tone and culture throughout his organization, and if one has a grudge against the Kadokawa Shoten's business practices, one may technically take it out on a Mr. Kadokawa, somewhere.

Ha, that's great. Didn't know that.

...

BURN HIM. BURN THE WITCH!

Hedd
2009-05-08, 01:39
Interestingly, and in no way disagreeing with the above statement, Kadokawa Shoten's name sake came from the family of Kadokawa, which founded, ran, and probably still runs the company. An one time company president Haruki Kadokawa created quite a stir on the Usenet in the 90's (as one may still search groups.google.com with keywords [kadokawa jail] and find some tidbits) by landing himself into jail via drug related charges. He'd since transferred control to his brother and one would assume the family name still runs the show. Believe it or not many a Japanese publishers would also orphan serial novels or manga on regular basis, and the joke around that time would go something like : "Hey why hasn't XYZ manga been seen for a while?" "Because Mr. Kadokawa's in jail, Mochiron!"

So, a company president sets tone and culture throughout his organization, and if one has a grudge against the Kadokawa Shoten's business practices, one may technically take it out on a Mr. Kadokawa, somewhere.

This is what one might refer to as "schooled".

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-08, 01:43
This is what one might refer to as "schooled".

Not really, no.

People are still wrong in blaming one specific person, and "Kadokawa" is always used here to refer to "Kadokawa Shoten".

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-08, 02:04
... Maybe Mr. President there is the reason the Japanese counterparts of the Seitenkan project refuse to use the name "Haruki" :p

(Obvious joke)

Jintor
2009-05-08, 06:55
But, think about this, if this time is a troll, it's "tada no Troll-janai". Considering the TV, magazine, events, and promotional convergence, viral disinformation campaign, confirmation/denial/gag-ordering, calling it an Epic Troll is a gross understatement. It's Lawrence of Arabia Troll, Ben-Hur Troll, Cleopatroll, The Mother of All Trolls. One Troll That Rules Them All, the Passion of Troll, The Blues Trolls, Honey I Shrank the Trolls, and (mochiron) The Troll of Suzumiya Haruhi.

I like how it eventually looped and collapsed upon itself.

dnab
2009-05-08, 18:45
There is a "Disappearance" sighting in Haruhi-chan ep.25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzH_1dgcQLE), 6:48. (Note date code Dec. 18, so this isn't a look alike scene but a direct reference). Kyon's reaction is classic, if not mistranslated. Instead of "consumption", Kyon said "(Could) this be the Disappearance?!?!" As in: yes even Kyon's fed up with the trolls. And the caption said "Because Nagato made this."

The stock's been up for two days, let's see if I can find some bad disinformation next week for some hope-pullback.

OkamiNoKaze
2009-05-10, 22:58
Are the reran episodes on the Kodakowa youtube channel the current one that aired on tv this week?

Peanutbutter
2009-05-11, 00:39
Are the reran episodes on the Kodakowa youtube channel the current one that aired on tv this week?

Currently, the youtube channel has Ep 5, which was first broadcasted two weeks ago.

Last week was TMoHS VI, which should be available on the youtube channel this Wed.

This week, I'm looking forward to see what episode they're showing on the Japanese TV channels. ;)

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-11, 00:45
Currently, the youtube channel has Ep 5, which was first broadcasted two weeks ago.

Last week was TMoHS VI, which should be available on the youtube channel this Wed.

This week, I'm looking forward to see what episode they're showing on the Japanese TV channels. ;)

Either Boredom or Sighs.

We shall soon see...

dnab
2009-05-11, 01:31
Yet another "Disappearance" referenced pic (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0527/AnimePaper_scans_The-Melancholy-Of-Haruhi-Suzumiya_suemura_1_39_5707x4095_236876) released into the wild (or perhaps scanned from the recent Yuki artbook). Compromising positions notwithstanding, tis the text from (apparently) Asakura that says "I will not forgive anyone trying to hurt you." "I will remove all elements threatening to you. That's why I'm here. Because that is your wish. I won't let you get hurt. That's why I will always be here."

We can hear the Monty Pythonish chorus in the background now -

TROLL, troll, troll, trol..... TROLL, troll, troll, trol......

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-11, 02:02
. . . Nagato's eyes seem to be calling out for help from the viewers...

aegisofrime
2009-05-11, 04:04
Yet another "Disappearance" referenced pic (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0527/AnimePaper_scans_The-Melancholy-Of-Haruhi-Suzumiya_suemura_1_39_5707x4095_236876) released into the wild (or perhaps scanned from the recent Yuki artbook). Compromising positions notwithstanding, tis the text from (apparently) Asakura that says "I will not forgive anyone trying to hurt you." "I will remove all elements threatening to you. That's why I'm here. Because that is your wish. I won't let you get hurt. That's why I will always be here."

We can hear the Monty Pythonish chorus in the background now -

TROLL, troll, troll, trol..... TROLL, troll, troll, trol......

That pic is EPIC WIN!!!

I actually bought the Haruhi artbook, but it's quite disappointing as there's not much actual original art in it... However since Yuki is my favourite I will still buy it!

Rice_slayer
2009-05-11, 08:02
So is this the week We have finally waited for? I think they are going to finish off K-on! first then start Haruhi S2, even then, I dont have much hope in that :P.

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-11, 08:09
No :) That will be on:
May 21st

Aebliss
2009-05-11, 10:45
Yet another "Disappearance" referenced pic (http://f.imagehost.org/view/0527/AnimePaper_scans_The-Melancholy-Of-Haruhi-Suzumiya_suemura_1_39_5707x4095_236876) released into the wild (or perhaps scanned from the recent Yuki artbook). Compromising positions notwithstanding, tis the text from (apparently) Asakura that says "I will not forgive anyone trying to hurt you." "I will remove all elements threatening to you. That's why I'm here. Because that is your wish. I won't let you get hurt. That's why I will always be here."

We can hear the Monty Pythonish chorus in the background now -

TROLL, troll, troll, trol..... TROLL, troll, troll, trol......

Now why do I keep seeing Asakura as holding a knife in the hand currently pressed to Yuki's side ...? With the point already inserted into Yuki. >_<;

Mauru
2009-05-11, 15:26
Here, I am hoping the second season is just a misconception and there will not be new episodes.

If that happens, I will be pleased to see other people's reactions.

bayoab
2009-05-11, 15:36
"Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu" has been removed from the updated Newtype online episode listings. No TBA, no nothing.
Haruhi-chan and Nyoro~n are both still there.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-11, 15:42
"Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu" has been removed from the updated Newtype online episode listings. No TBA, no nothing.
Haruhi-chan and Nyoro~n are both still there.

Okay, so what does this mean?

Well, we should find out either in a couple days or next week...

Although, technically, "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu" has been over as of last week...

bayoab
2009-05-11, 15:59
Okay, so what does this mean?
Either
1) Kadokawa was too lazy to even bother printing TBA for the next 4 weeks.
2) It is now considered a rerun and thus doesn't qualify for Newtype/webNT listing.
3) Someone screwed up and put Haruhi-chan instead of Haruhi
4) Kadokawa intentionally left it off for some reason.
5) Canned?
6-oo) Insert other wild theories here

SealkidHaruhiism
2009-05-11, 16:55
People say that Haruhi-chan and nyoron ended is that true?????? also can't wait for the new episodes coming out this month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Haruhi!!!!!!

2009-05-11, 16:58
People say that Haruhi-chan and nyoron ended is that true?????? also can't wait for the new episodes coming out this month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Haruhi!!!!!!

That is quite the number of exclamation marks you have amassed there. Feel proud.

SealkidHaruhiism
2009-05-11, 19:12
That is quite the number of exclamation marks you have amassed there. Feel proud.

Thank you!
I'm a Big Fan of Haruhi!!!!!!!!!!!! :bow::bow::bow: Haruhi Suzumiya
:hyper-^v^:

2009-05-11, 19:14
Thank you!
I'm a Big Fan of Haruhi!!!!!!!!!!!! :bow::bow::bow: Haruhi Suzumiya
:hyper-^v^:

Uh...

...wow.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-11, 19:33
Thank you!
I'm a Big Fan of Haruhi!!!!!!!!!!!! :bow::bow::bow: Haruhi Suzumiya
:hyper-^v^:

So... how old are, you, exactly?

No offense or anything...

Jintor
2009-05-11, 19:35
12 exclaimation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind.

2009-05-11, 19:37
12 exclaimation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind.

Be glad none of them are ones.

aegisofrime
2009-05-11, 20:01
Be glad none of them are ones.

Or elevens.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-11, 20:18
Or elevens.

Or Japanese.

... what? :p

2009-05-11, 20:24
Or Japanese.

... what? :p

Well, I guess it is better to have millions of exclamation marks than to have someone going "Oh, Haruhi-sama is so kawaii (that means CUUUTE!!!) desu! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ Wai~!!!"

Even that would be better than a rabid Twilight fan, though...

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-11, 20:35
"Oh, Haruhi-sama is so kawaii (that means CUUUTE!!!) desu! ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ Wai~!!!"

JUST ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU! (Translator's note: Keikaku means plan.)

:heh:

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-11, 20:40
JUST ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU! (Translator's note: Keikaku means plan.)

I always wondered: Was that an actual screenshot of some terrible sub group's release or was that just 4chan shenanigans?

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-11, 20:43
Probably the latter, though I've seen enough instances of the former to believe either is the case.

SealkidHaruhiism
2009-05-11, 21:22
Haruhi Should Have 3 season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok!
season 1 was about The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya,The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya,Remote Island Syndrome,The Day of Sagittarius,Mysterique Sign,The Adventures of Mikuru Asahina,live alive, and Someday in the Rain.

and the ( second season ) new 14 episodes that are going to be mix in with the rerun are, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody,Endless Eight,Snow Mountain Syndrome,Editor in Chief★Straight Ahead!,Charmed at First Sight LOVER,Where did the Cat Go? ,The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya ,The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru, and The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.

and season 3-
The Intrigues of Haruhi Suzumiya
The Indignation of Haruhi Suzumiya
The Dissociation of Haruhi Suzumiya
The Astonishment of Haruhi Suzumiya

Haruhi Suzumiya!!!!! Haruhiism rise again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haruhiism fell on Feb 4,2009 ( when season 2 was canceled and replace with rerun )
Haruhiism rise again on April 3,2009 ( when they announce the 28 episode ( season 1 and season 2 ) 28 episodes!

GO HARUHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SealkidHaruhiism
2009-05-11, 21:24
Here is a list I made Up!

Episode 00

01. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya part I
02. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya part II
03. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya part III
04. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya part IV
05. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya part V
06. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya part VI
07. The Boredom of Haruhi Suzumiya
08. Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody
09. Mysterique Sign
10. Remote Island Syndrome part I
11. Remote Island Syndrome part II
12. Endless Eight
13. The Day of Sagittarius
14. Snow Mountain Syndrome part I
15. Snow Mountain Syndrome part II
16. Charmed at First Sight LOVER
17. Where did the Cat Go?
18. The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru
19. The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya part I
20. The Sigh of Haruhi Suzumiya part II
21. Live Alive
23. Someday in the Rain
24. The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya part I
25. The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya part II
26. The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya part III
27. The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya part IV
28. The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya part V

2009-05-11, 21:24
*snip*

Well, then.

I feel like an enabler of sorts.

So... how old are, you, exactly?

No offense or anything...

I'm wondering that, too. I don't know if I should be concerned or annoyed.

sonicspin
2009-05-11, 21:31
Episode 00( OVA )

Do you even know what OVA stands for?

Jintor
2009-05-11, 21:32
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy crap that's a lot of enthusiasm.

2009-05-11, 21:36
Holy crap that's a lot of enthusiasm.

Enthusiasm for the poster. For the rest of us...maybe it's more of a different feeling. :eyebrow:

This is like watching a trainwreck, except the train is made of puppies that keep running into walls.

Jintor
2009-05-11, 21:40
...I can't believe you're 13.

You have a way with words, young one.

(Unless you lied about your age, in which case you have a way with lying about ages)

2009-05-11, 21:49
(Unless you lied about your age, in which case you have a way with lying about ages)

No lying about age or gender or any of that sort of tomfoolery is occuring here. I'm young enough to still have presentations showcasing the dangers of the internets --that dangerous hate machine comprised of tubes!-- being shoved down my throat every month or two. Thanks, board of education! Not a waste of money at all!

You have a way with words, young one.

Uh, thanks? My teachers certainly don't think that, as they state that I am more of a "math person" than anything else at every possible opportunity they dig up. I figured that "way" was filled mainly with analogy failures and such. Seriously, train wrecks of puppies. Would the passengers be more sad due to the train they were in being damaged severely or the puppy slowly giving itself brain damage as it keeps launching itself at that patch of drywall, trying as hard as it can to break through until eventually it collapses in a pool of its own sweat and blood, its skull lined with bruises and fractures?

...that poor, fictional dog.

OKAY I SHOULD REALLY GO TO SLEEP

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I AM SAYING ANYTHING, LET ALONE WHAT I AM SAYING

OH DEEEAR

EDIT: I don't even know where that wall would be. In the train? But the train is the puppy. Unless it's just the wreck part that's made up of dog...

SLEEP

SHUTTING UP NOW

LATER EDIT: Do dogs even sweat? Or do they just pant? Would it be considered the same?

Jintor
2009-05-11, 21:57
Just the type of fractured mind I like conversing with.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-11, 22:38
This is like watching a trainwreck, except the train is made of puppies that keep running into walls.

SealkidHaruhiism
2009-05-11, 22:39
Did Nyoron Churuya-san ended??
Also did Haruhi-chan ended too.??
haruhi 2009 ( the new 14 episodes mixing in with the rerun )

New episodes is coming out MAY 21,2009 in Japan and MAY 27,2009 on Youtube!
Go Haruhi!

2009-05-11, 22:42
Did Nyoron Churuya-san ended????????????????????????
Also did Haruhi-chan ended too.???????????????????????????
If it ended then they are now starting to aor haruhi 2009 ( the new 14 episodes mixing in with the rerun )

New episodes is coming out MAY 21,2009 in Japan and MAY 27,2009 on Youtube!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Haruhi!!!!!!!

Good job on going over what has already been discussed and/or established.

You really just never give up, do you? Just an endless ball of...yeah.

Seriously, how old are you? I realize that probably sounds stalkery (even though I would be the most pitiable stalker ever, since I'd probably feel bad for whoever I was stalking and go up and apologize to them, leaving them in a very deep state of confusion but ANYWAAAY), but I'm seriously wondering if someone should be getting help for you, or if this should be expected of someone your age.

sonicspin
2009-05-11, 22:46
Did Nyoron Churuya-san ended????????????????????????
Also did Haruhi-chan ended too.???????????????????????????
If it ended then they are now starting to aor haruhi 2009 ( the new 14 episodes mixing in with the rerun )

New episodes is coming out MAY 21,2009 in Japan and MAY 27,2009 on Youtube!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Haruhi!!!!!!!

Maybe I should just answer the question. >_>
There is no confirmation on it ending.

And as I mentioned to you many times on MAL already, there's no confirmation on the additional episodes of Yuuutsu air dates.

Also, please learn to use proper grammer.

Jintor
2009-05-11, 22:58
I have bad news, guys. Sealkid used up all of our surplus exclaimation marks and question marks. Now, whenever you have to express questioning or surprise, or even anger, you simply can't.

2009-05-11, 23:00
I have bad news, guys. Sealkid used up all of our surplus exclaimation marks and question marks. Now, whenever you have to express questioning or surprise, or even anger, you simply can't.

But now what will he/she/they/pronoun do to ask questions that have already been answered (when not spending their time declaring their love for the series)?.

Jintor
2009-05-11, 23:06
You'll just have to avoid asking questions.

Or being excited.

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-11, 23:26
But what am I going to do. THIS ISN'T FAIR.

bayoab
2009-05-11, 23:41
I see someone knows how to read the discussion page on JP wikipedia. There is a reason they moved all that information there and forbid* any discussion of the current airing in the main article you know.

*Yes, yes, Haruhi willed it, just accept it.

Tophi
2009-05-12, 03:24
GUYS< pls answer.. theres abt 185 pages here.. i cant read thm all

Season 2 is not coming?
so... we are just stuck with the season 1?

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-12, 03:31
Answer: There is a good possibility that we may get new episodes, but it's hard to say at the moment. Wait one or two weeks and then check back.

aegisofrime
2009-05-12, 04:20
GUYS< pls answer.. theres abt 185 pages here.. i cant read thm all

Season 2 is not coming?
so... we are just stuck with the season 1?

Just assume that there won't be a second season. If there really isn't, you won't have gotten your hopes up.

If there is, then it's a very pleasant surprise.

Jintor
2009-05-12, 04:24
Pessimism ftw

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-12, 04:37
Well it's harder for a pessimist to be let down, so... :heh:

aegisofrime
2009-05-12, 05:23
Pessimism ftw

After what we fans have suffered under the tyranny of Kadokawa, it's hard not to be pessimistic.

Jintor
2009-05-12, 05:44
I guess that should be pessimism ftl, since it inevitably will.

Vicious108
2009-05-12, 05:46
Well at least you won't end up as disappointed as you would have if you had been optismistic about it and actually expected good things, so pessimism ftw indeed.

Tokkan
2009-05-12, 06:04
"Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu" has been removed from the updated Newtype online episode listings. No TBA, no nothing.
Haruhi-chan and Nyoro~n are both still there.

Okay, so what does this mean?

Well, we should find out either in a couple days or next week...

Although, technically, "Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu" has been over as of last week...

Either
1) Kadokawa was too lazy to even bother printing TBA for the next 4 weeks.
2) It is now considered a rerun and thus doesn't qualify for Newtype/webNT listing.
3) Someone screwed up and put Haruhi-chan instead of Haruhi
4) Kadokawa intentionally left it off for some reason.
5) Canned?
6-oo) Insert other wild theories here

"Disappearance", indeed.

Agent86
2009-05-12, 10:11
I've never believed in my heart that new episodes were going to be interspersed with the old episodes, though the speculation has been fun. I mean, there's clever, and then there's too clever for your own good. Kadokawa/KyoAni are commercial enterprises; to air new episodes at a time when only the most informed/rabid members of your fanbase will be watching is a bad business decision.

Better to air the S2 episodes where there's an obvious hole in the schedule, like after the last S1 episode. It also helps reduce the workload on KyoAni, since K-ON! will have finished its run by then. AFAIK, KyoAni is still staffed at a level that only allows them to comfortably work on one series at a time.

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-12, 11:42
12 exclaimation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind.That's a mystérique sign...

Just assume that there won't be a second season. If there really isn't, you won't have gotten your hopes up.
As said Kaisos Erranon in page 155:
"He who expects nothing is rarely disappointed."

Edit: "Disappearance", indeed.The Disappearance of The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya :D

aegisofrime
2009-05-12, 12:18
That's a mystérique sign...

As said Kaisos Erranon in page 155:

Edit: The Disappearance of The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya :D

bayoab
2009-05-12, 13:05
Better to air the S2 episodes where there's an obvious hole in the schedule, like after the last S1 episode. It also helps reduce the workload on KyoAni, since K-ON! will have finished its run by then. AFAIK, KyoAni is still staffed at a level that only allows them to comfortably work on one series at a time.They've been working on more than one series at a time for a while now: Clannad:AS/Munto/Haruhi-chan/Nyoro~n(/Haruhi??)
But remember that production begins months or years before things air. Bones had been working on FMA:B for over a year. I wouldn't be surprised if Kyoani has been slowly working on Haruhi 2 since their announcement way back when. They've clearly made key art and other things for it already. The real question here is if they got the green light to actually go into full production and have finished it yet.

Agent86
2009-05-12, 13:36
But remember that production begins months or years before things air.
Sure, but final work often goes down to a couple of weeks (or even less) before airdate.

You have a point about C:AS and Munto, although Munto was handled by a relatively small production team, even for KyoAni. Haruhi-chan and Nyoron require far less personpower and time than a full-scale production. I think that KyoAni working on K-ON! and Haruhi S2 simultaneously would involve a lot of unnecessary and easily-avoided stress, since they're both "flagship" productions that would benefit from having a fully-staffed "A-Team" working on them.

I guess my point is: What do Kadokawa/KyoAni gain from starting to air new episodes a few weeks earlier? From a business standpoint, I don't see any benefit for them.

Ithekro
2009-05-12, 13:55
Considering the amount of material suggested to be released (three-four new episodes) before K-On ends, I think they could risk it so the show makes sense. Also with that order they have breaks for a period of weeks while they can finish other new materials later on in the series. This is assuming K-On is 13 episodes and that Haruhi is being broadcast in Chronological order to include all materials in a 28 episode run.

What do they gain? Surprise for one thing. Since they are airing the show on a lot of channels and Youtube, word of mouth should spread quickly in something new is shown. They have a large fanbase already and may be getting a new fanbase while airing the series presently. Airing the series in order without any new material will make for a fairly dull ending, since most of the story material is in the first six episodes, though 12 and 13 are also highly rated (festival concert and computer game/space battle), and 11 will confuse people (Episode 00). Perhaps with new material scattered in the original, they will get both fanbases involved and pickup several other people by surprise.

Otherwise episode 15 won't be airling until sometime in July. And as pointed out, this is the first time the episodes have been shown in this particular order. They aren't even in this order on the DVDs. Episode 00 has always been first.

bayoab
2009-05-12, 14:28
I guess my point is: What do Kadokawa/KyoAni gain from starting to air new episodes a few weeks earlier? From a business standpoint, I don't see any benefit for them.You are right that it makes no real difference when they air the episodes.* However, from the production stand point, it makes a huge difference for when the episodes are made since there are some things that matter time wise (ex. getting voice actors into the studio).

*Then again, this is Kadokawa we are talking about. They might have picked the day it airs especially because it allows them to do something like: release a newtype with Zero on the cover and a "Citizens, I have returned" blurb. You open to the cover story page and it is Haruhi under the mask and a little "Haruhi new eps starts tomorrow" blurb.

What do they gain? Surprise for one thing. Since they are airing the show on a lot of channels and Youtube, word of mouth should spread quickly in something new is shown. But you don't want true surprise. You want people to tune in every week, especially the premiere week. You need some warning so that everyone can rush to their TV and press the record button.

Ithekro
2009-05-12, 15:19
Assuming there will be some sort of preview the week before may be all they need.

Agent86
2009-05-12, 15:21
*Then again, this is Kadokawa we are talking about. They might have picked the day it airs especially because it allows them to do something like: release a newtype with Zero on the cover and a "Citizens, I have returned" blurb. You open to the cover story page and it is Haruhi under the mask and a little "Haruhi new eps starts tomorrow" blurb.This guerilla-style advertising/hype is fine when you do it in advance, or in order to keep people talking about your property. It seems to me it should work a little differently when we're talking about Brand! New! Episodes! of a show that many people have been eagerly looking forward to for almost 3 years.

But, yeah, it's Kadokawa we're talking about. They've shot themselves in the foot more than once during those three years - it's not out of the question that they've reloaded for one more try.

But you don't want true surprise. You want people to tune in every week, especially the premiere week. You need some warning so that everyone can rush to their TV and press the record button.Exactly. Surprise is nice if you're an army at war, or planning a birthday party. Not so much if you're trying to get people to watch your TV show. I know, webisodes, internet, yada yada yada. But there's a significant number of people (and I think this number dwarfs the number of people talking about the subject of Haruhi S2 on 2ch/ASuki/etc.) who would watch new episodes on TV, if only they are given sufficient advance notice from some quasi-official source.

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2009-05-12, 15:28
It doesn't matter if not many people get to watch the first couple of the 2nd season. Word of mouth would get people tuned in, and they can catch up via Youtube.

Further, the TV viewership is irrelevant to Kadokawa profits; as long as people catch on eventually, the DVD sales would be good. Even if the entire Japan tunned in to watch Haruhi, Kadokawa isn't going to get paid any more than having just a few people watching. (i.e. exactly zero.)

Remember: TV airing is just a form of paid commercial. Kadokawa lose money by airing anime on TV.

Agent86
2009-05-12, 16:01
It doesn't matter if not many people get to watch the first couple of the 2nd season. Word of mouth would get people tuned in, and they can catch up via Youtube.
I bet it matters to the companies buying commercial time on that episode. I'm also willing to wager that television stations care about how many people are watching, considering what they do to shows that aren't watched by many people.

typhonsentra
2009-05-12, 16:20
There will be no new episodes. Duke Nukem was just canceled, the dream is dead people. Whenever the hell we get new Haruhi episodes (Of which I care little about at this point compared to a new book), it certainly won't be next week.....

Kogetsu Shirogane
2009-05-12, 16:28
release a newtype with Zero on the cover and a "Citizens, I have returned" blurb. You open to the cover story page and it is Haruhi under the mask and a little "Haruhi new eps starts tomorrow" blurb.

That'd be awesome :heh:

Vallen Chaos Valiant
2009-05-12, 16:32
I bet it matters to the companies buying commercial time on that episode. I'm also willing to wager that television stations care about how many people are watching, considering what they do to shows that aren't watched by many people.

The mid-night airing is the cheapest time slot a studio can buy. If the studio really cared about getting more people watching they will go for a 7 pm slot and pay through the nose.

The TV station itself doesn't care if anyone watch the anime or not; they get paid already. Even if nobody tunned in, they still earn a profit. This isn't like the American system; in Japan, TV stations get paid to air anime, especially for the infomercial hour of midnight slots.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-12, 16:50
Sigh. Why don't we all just shut up and wait a week, guys? Failing that, wait until July.

THEN we can discuss shit like this.

Exactly. Surprise is nice if you're an army at war, or planning a birthday party. Not so much if you're trying to get people to watch your TV show. I know, webisodes, internet, yada yada yada. But there's a significant number of people (and I think this number dwarfs the number of people talking about the subject of Haruhi S2 on 2ch/ASuki/etc.) who would watch new episodes on TV, if only they are given sufficient advance notice from some quasi-official source.

Remember the airing schedule? The episodes air on 14 different channels over an entire week.

When the first new episode airs on the first station... you see where I'm going with this?

There will be no new episodes. Duke Nukem was just canceled, the dream is dead people. Whenever the hell we get new Haruhi episodes (Of which I care little about at this point compared to a new book), it certainly won't be next week.....

I will laugh if you're proven wrong.

Also I doubt we'll get new books until new episodes come out, as I've been saying for years now.

SealkidHaruhiism
2009-05-12, 16:53
Kadokawa will do the same thing again by surprising us.
Remember when Kadokawa show the boat instead of Haruhi-chan, and in the end it said, " We didn't finish ."
Kadokawa will surprise us by putting up Season 2 ( new 14 episodes ).
Or in the end of Ep. 7 or the end of K-ON! they will announce season 2 of Haruhi!
Thank you for your time!!!! :D

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-12, 16:58
Or in the end of Ep. 7 or the end of K-ON! they will announce season 2.

And if S2 has already been announced at that point, that should mean we get an announcement for Little Busters after K-ON.

Excellent.

Ithekro
2009-05-12, 17:01
One does not announce an anime on a station it will not air on.

2009-05-12, 17:02
*snip*

Hey, it's a coherent post!

And if S2 has already been announced at that point, that should mean we get an announcement for Little Busters after K-ON.

Excellent.

That sounded like a "just according to keikaku plan" moment.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-12, 17:06
One does not announce an anime on a station it will not air on.

Didn't Clannad air on TBS/BSi? If so, I'd expect Little Busters to as well.

Of course, that means LOL NO WIDESCREEN, but...

Or were you referring to Sealkid's post?

That sounded like a "just according to keikaku plan" moment.

Little Busters is... well, it's exactly the sort of setting and tone that I like, and it's Key, so... I've really been hoping they adapt it.

Nappy Hared Azn
2009-05-12, 17:30
Wait, the estimated date for new Haruhi (assuming that it ever airs and that it airs in the order that's been established) is May 21st? Huh . . . I guess after years of Kadokawa bullshit, I'm more pumped up over Christian Bale sexiness than new Haruhi.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-12, 17:38
So I just watched Melancholy VI... Two observations:

-Man I remember how epic the ending was. Too bad it isn't the ending anymore, eh?

-Miyoko Yoshimura, one of Kyon's Sister's friends from Vol. 8 and Vol. 9, can be seen early in the episode. You can tell because she has a ponytail, heh.

Wait, the estimated date for new Haruhi (assuming that it ever airs and that it airs in the order that's been established) is May 21st? Huh . . . I guess after years of Kadokawa bullshit, I'm more pumped up over Christian Bale sexiness than new Haruhi.

Just wait. You might get back into it.

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-12, 17:53
So I just watched Melancholy VI...The TV version? Where?

Ithekro
2009-05-12, 18:01
I was meaning no Haruhi announcement after K-On.

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-12, 18:11
The TV version? Where?

Magic.

I was meaning no Haruhi announcement after K-On.

Okay, right, sorry.

Agent86
2009-05-12, 19:54
Sigh. Why don't we all just shut up and wait a week, guys? Failing that, wait until July.

THEN we can discuss shit like this.I can understand your fatigue on these matters. But this thread is a discussion on "The Second Season of Haruhi Suzumiya," and said season doesn't even officially exist yet. If we're not going to show enthusiasm/despair/state half-baked theories about S2, what are we going to do? Share recipes? I have a good one for pot roast. . .Remember the airing schedule? The episodes air on 14 different channels over an entire week.

When the first new episode airs on the first station... you see where I'm going with this?Yes, I do. I also think that viewers that are only served by the first station or two (in airing sequence) might have appreciated some advance notice. If this whole "S2 mixed into S1" idea is true (and I'm not saying it isn't), it would seem as if it's more important to Kadokawa/KyoAni to be clever and deceptive than to keep as many casual fans happy & watching as possible. I don't see how keeping the existence/airdates of S2 a secret helps gain viewers/sell DVDs/etc over announcing S2 and letting the hype machine do its work for a few weeks.The mid-night airing is the cheapest time slot a studio can buy. If the studio really cared about getting more people watching they will go for a 7 pm slot and pay through the nose.

The TV station itself doesn't care if anyone watch the anime or not; they get paid already. Even if nobody tunned in, they still earn a profit. This isn't like the American system; in Japan, TV stations get paid to air anime, especially for the infomercial hour of midnight slots.
So it makes no difference to the TV station whether one otaku (and his cat) watch a show, or 250,000 people? I know that Japan has a different way of doing things, but if they don't care if anyone's watching, why do they act as if they do? Promos/commercials/advertising all cost money to design, produce, and air/print/etc. Why do these things if it doesn't matter? Why bother to track TV viewer ratings?

And midnight is cheapest? Not 2 AM, or 3 AM, or something like that? Is there a surge in viewership due to hostesses and drunken salarymen coming home in the wee hours? Or lucrative niche marketing targeted at them?

Kaisos Erranon
2009-05-12, 20:06
And midnight is cheapest? Not 2 AM, or 3 AM, or something like that? Is there a surge in viewership due to hostesses and drunken salarymen coming home in the wee hours? Or lucrative niche marketing targeted at them?

Otaku stay up really, really late.

Tophi
2009-05-12, 21:03
Just assume that there won't be a second season. If there really isn't, you won't have gotten your hopes up.

If there is, then it's a very pleasant surprise.

Oh.. Ok..

Thanks for tha info

bayoab
2009-05-12, 21:50
So it makes no difference to the TV station whether one otaku (and his cat) watch a show, or 250,000 people?
For these shows, those numbers matter for other reasons to the TV station but not for advertisers. The time blocks are purchased as informertials and therefore almost all of the commercials come pre-packaged with with the show. The station is normally given a CM block or two.

I know that Japan has a different way of doing things, but if they don't care if anyone's watching, why do they act as if they do? Promos/commercials/advertising all cost money to design, produce, and air/print/etc. Why do these things if it doesn't matter? Why bother to track TV viewer ratings?There is other things going behind the scenes which the numbers matter for other companies involved in the production.

And midnight is cheapest?
Mid-night, not midnight.

Tophi
2009-05-12, 22:27
^_^ None the less, one thing for sure. There is a definite possibility that there will be a season 2! Haruhi never learn'd about who she really is, and kyon and haruhi never expressed their feelings for eachother (not really).

Hmmm... Thats one thing.. right guys?

Jintor
2009-05-12, 22:30
There's no doubt that there will be a season 2 (or KyoAni are god level trolls, one or the other), it's just a question of when.

Vexx
2009-05-13, 00:46
The airplane doesn't fly unless everyone claps and chants "we believe!!!!" ..... oh what were we discussing?

Jintor
2009-05-13, 01:20
Ou-en-DAN!

Kid Ying
2009-05-13, 01:56
Ou-en-DAN!
OSU!

Well, i'm cool about all of this, if they announce something, it will be awesome, but if not, at least they gave me a lot of Haruhi chan, hehe.

TParis
2009-05-13, 08:00
Wikipedia says currently says:
A re-broadcast of the first series began in April 2009.[11] Following a comment by Teletama, one of the broadcasting stations, that the 2009 broadcast would be 28 episodes long, there was speculation that re-broadcast will be followed by the second season, though this has not been confirmed by Kadokawa.[12]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruhi_Suzumiya_%28anime%29

Reference [12] is:
http://www.j-cast.com/2009/04/03038834.html

Can anyone translate that article please? The Google translation is pretty weird (as always).

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-13, 08:03
Apparently, since 2 minutes:

Jintor
2009-05-13, 08:12
Say what?

I don't get it. Melancholy 6? What about it?

Jill-Jênn
2009-05-13, 08:14
Nothing, I was just saying that it was released :)

Jintor
2009-05-13, 08:18
Damn. I was hoping that 2 minutes in it segued neatly into an ALL NEW EPISODE

I can but dream.

TParis
2009-05-13, 08:58
*sigh* I really hope somebody explains this 28 episode broadcast situation to me...

aegisofrime
2009-05-13, 09:24
*sigh* I really hope somebody explains this 28 episode broadcast situation to me...

Basically, one TV station says that the rerun has 28 episodes. As we all know, the first season only has 14 episodes, thus making it a mystery what the remaining fourteen are. It has been suggested by some people that the remaining 14 will be the first season rerun again in broadcast order, which is really stupid. Thus, we are all hoping that the mystery 14 episodes will be The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.

Besides the first season rerun AGAIN theory, some has also said that it might be Haruhi-Chan. We won't know until May 21st at the earliest what it might be.

TParis
2009-05-13, 09:33
Basically, one TV station says that the rerun has 28 episodes. As we all know, the first season only has 14 episodes, thus making it a mystery what the remaining fourteen are. It has been suggested by some people that the remaining 14 will be the first season rerun again in broadcast order, which is really stupid. Thus, we are all hoping that the mystery 14 episodes will be The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.

Besides the first season rerun AGAIN theory, some has also said that it might be Haruhi-Chan. We won't know until May 21st at the earliest what it might be.

Kay, thanks! Another set of 14 episodes would be a dream come true...

Jintor
2009-05-13, 09:38
Here's your explanation: there is no explanation.

NOBODY KNOWS BRO JUST KEEP DREAMIN' UNTIL ONE OF 'EM COMES TRUE

bayoab
2009-05-13, 09:51
Basically, one TV station says that the rerun has 28 episodes. As we all know, the first season only has 14 episodes, thus making it a mystery what the remaining fourteen are. It has been suggested by some people that the remaining 14 will be the first season rerun again in broadcast order, which is really stupid. Thus, we are all hoping that the mystery 14 episodes will be The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya.
Clarification: The TV stations have said that Kadokawa bought 28 episodes worth of time block. They didn't say Haruhi would go for 28. Just that they were told Haruhi would have "new content".

TParis
2009-05-13, 09:52
Here's your explanation: there is no explanation.

NOBODY KNOWS BRO JUST KEEP DREAMIN' UNTIL ONE OF 'EM COMES TRUE

Maybe they just wanna boost they ratings by the 28 episodes announcement, I guess there would be at least SOME adverts for the second season.
But, as somebody has already said, it would be a pleasent surprise to see new episodes. :)

Edit:
Clarification: The TV stations have said that Kadokawa bought 28 episodes worth of time block. They didn't say Haruhi would go for 28. Just that they were told Haruhi would have "new content".
*sniff*

Aqua Knight
2009-05-13, 09:56
I guess we will know about new episodes tomorrow cuz there'll be a preview of the next episode and I doubt that new season is to appear on May 21st. I believe we'll get it in summer.

TParis
2009-05-13, 09:58
[...] I doubt that new season is to appear on May 21st. I believe we'll get it in summer.

What makes you think so?

Tokkan
2009-05-13, 10:22
I guess we will know about new episodes tomorrow cuz there'll be a preview of the next episode and I doubt that new season is to appear on May 21st. I believe we'll get it in summer.

Uh... there's no previews in this broadcast.

Peanutbutter
2009-05-13, 11:09
I think Ep 7 is currently being broadcast in Japan now.

What is the episode shown? :)

Tokkan
2009-05-13, 11:10
I think Ep 7 is currently being broadcast in Japan now.

What is the episode shown? :)

No it isn't but it will be in around 24 hours.

Peanutbutter
2009-05-13, 11:22
No it isn't but it will be in around 24 hours.

Oops, I got the wrong date then. :heh: