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For the second season, where would they start in relation to the novels? There are some great places to start.
If they want to pull the same things as they did last time, the whole a chronological deal, the main storyline focused from one novel, which one would they choose? I mean parts of The Trembling of Suzumiya Haruhi are already gone, unless they want to do the actual filming of the movie... They might go with Indignation, but that's a little far into the future...
Would they try to group some of the novels together and make that the main story line, with parts such as Rampage and Sighs interdispersed about?
Mirrinus
2007-07-16, 23:25
My guesses for which stories will be used, assuming 14 episodes: (in chronological order)
Suzumiya Haruhi Theater (1 episode)
Begin the series just like how it started last season: with a totally bizarre, random episode parodying cliches. Except this time, they can parody Japanese RPGs instead of anime. I want to see Haruhi threaten and extort random NPCs!
Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody (1 episode)
Absolutely crucial to tell this story if you want to do Disappearance. So, just what did happen 3 years ago?
Endless Eight (2 episodes)
The 15,498 story. Moe moments may run high during this story, but it also foreshadows the motives of a certain character later down the line. Also demonstrates the frightening extent of Haruhi's nigh-omnipotent powers. But of course, we'll be too busy staring at Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru in summer yukatas to care...
The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (6 episodes)
The centerpiece of the second season. This is Kyon's epic journey, loaded with character development and startling revelations regarding the SOS brigade members. And of course, Kyon finally has to come to terms with just how much Haruhi means to him.
Charmed at First Sight LOVER (1 episode)
A nice light-hearted Yuki-centric tale. I can just imagine myself laughing like Tsuruya at a certain scene where Haruhi reads a certain letter...
Snow Mountain Syndrome (2 episodes)
One of the more serious and plot-heavy shorter stories, this is nothing like Lone Island Syndrome. It's also probably Itsuki's most heroic moment, so I'll be looking forward to this one.
Where Did the Cat Go? (1 episode)
Now this is more like Lone Island Syndrome. Except this time, Tsuruya-san is along for the ride. This single episode may contain the highest concentration of LOL FANG-tan in the series to date, so I think I will enjoy it. ^_^
The problem with the chronological order is that Where Did the Cat Go? isn't a great final episode, as it offers no sort of conclusion. The best possible conclusion would be the end of Disappearanced, maybe mixed in with the prologue of Intrigues (which would technically be the final chronological event too, as it happens directly after Where Did the Cat Go?). Snow Mountain wouldn't be a terrible ending either. Of course, if Endless Eight or Disappearance were one episode shorter, or if they don't do Suzumiya Haruhi Theater (I can dream, can't I?), then maybe Tanigawa-sensei would throw in another anime-original final episode.
Or rather, Haruhi knows she likes Kyon but will never be caught dead admitting it and leaves very little evidence testifying to the fact. Kyon is either lying through his teeth to the audience or being clueless. Probably a little of both. It's actually kind of cute, since they seem to have a natural working relationship that most high school couples only pretend to have, even when they're "official."
Personally, I feel as though Kyon isn't clueless by any means as to his own affection for Haruhi, but he too absolutely refuses to admit it. It takes a cataclysmic world-altering event for him to give in to his feelings toward Haruhi, if you catch my drift. He's basically just like Haruhi in that regard; I guess you could say he's really a tsundere character on his own right. Those two are made for each other, aren't they? :D
Twisted Reality
2007-07-17, 00:14
Personally, I feel as though Kyon isn't clueless by any means as to his own affection for Haruhi, but he too absolutely refuses to admit it. It takes a cataclysmic world-altering event for him to give in to his feelings toward Haruhi, if you catch my drift. He's basically just like Haruhi in that regard; I guess you could say he's really a tsundere character on his own right. Those two are made for each other, aren't they? :D
Perhaps my choice of words were poor... Kyon seems to want to believe that his affections for Haruhi are not at all unlike a Freudian fantasy. After the first closed-space experience, he went back to pretending that this was some sort of twisted betrayal of his sanity. He knows that he has these thoughts, he just refuses to acknowledge them as a rational or sane impulse.
I think Haruhi knows she likes Kyon, and goes from feeling stupid about it, to some sort of acceptance-of-the-fact...in her usual casual and cocky attitude. Kyon is busy trying to convince himself and everybody else that there's nothing between him and Haruhi. Koizumi's teasing and his reassurance to Mikuru seem to be evidence of this. Kyon basically engages in elaborate self-deception. Mikuru is the seemingly the most rational choice for a model relationship, and it's easier for him to accept his crush on Mikuru than it is to acknowledge the deeper relationship. (Hey! She may be physically attractive...but her personality still sucks...so I can't possibly like her.)
This is what I mean by clueless. Although it would be more accurate to say that he's more capable of self-deception than Haruhi is. Quite ironically, Kyon knows whats going on in his head, so he'll try to stomp it down. Haruhi really has no such compunctions and will act on whatever impulse pops into her head. She may feel dumb about it later, as she did when she pulled that "straw-drawing date" scheme, but she's not given to self-deception or introspection before-the-fact.
Twisted Reality
2007-07-17, 00:27
Double post.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-07-17, 23:01
My guesses for which stories will be used, assuming 14 episodes: (in chronological order)
Suzumiya Haruhi Theater (1 episode)
Begin the series just like how it started last season: with a totally bizarre, random episode parodying cliches. Except this time, they can parody Japanese RPGs instead of anime. I want to see Haruhi threaten and extort random NPCs!
Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody (1 episode)
Absolutely crucial to tell this story if you want to do Disappearance. So, just what did happen 3 years ago?
Endless Eight (2 episodes)
The 15,498 story. Moe moments may run high during this story, but it also foreshadows the motives of a certain character later down the line. Also demonstrates the frightening extent of Haruhi's nigh-omnipotent powers. But of course, we'll be too busy staring at Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru in summer yukatas to care...
The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (6 episodes)
The centerpiece of the second season. This is Kyon's epic journey, loaded with character development and startling revelations regarding the SOS brigade members. And of course, Kyon finally has to come to terms with just how much Haruhi means to him.
Charmed at First Sight LOVER (1 episode)
A nice light-hearted Yuki-centric tale. I can just imagine myself laughing like Tsuruya at a certain scene where Haruhi reads a certain letter...
Snow Mountain Syndrome (2 episodes)
One of the more serious and plot-heavy shorter stories, this is nothing like Lone Island Syndrome. It's also probably Itsuki's most heroic moment, so I'll be looking forward to this one.
Where Did the Cat Go? (1 episode)
Now this is more like Lone Island Syndrome. Except this time, Tsuruya-san is along for the ride. This single episode may contain the highest concentration of LOL FANG-tan in the series to date, so I think I will enjoy it. ^_^
The problem with the chronological order is that Where Did the Cat Go? isn't a great final episode, as it offers no sort of conclusion. The best possible conclusion would be the end of Disappearanced, maybe mixed in with the prologue of Intrigues (which would technically be the final chronological event too, as it happens directly after Where Did the Cat Go?). Snow Mountain wouldn't be a terrible ending either. Of course, if Endless Eight or Disappearance were one episode shorter, or if they don't do Suzumiya Haruhi Theater (I can dream, can't I?), then maybe Tanigawa-sensei would throw in another anime-original final episode.
I see that you have ommited entirely The Trembling of Suzumiya Haruhi....
And I believe that you can't do that. First, "Where did the Cat go" has the "Cat", yet here you completely skipped the cat's introduction!
At least one episode, if not two, will have to be dedicated to the filming of the movie. Both for the Cat, and for explaining Haruhi's change of behaviour at the school festival. This is very important in tying up lose ends, before you-know-who can take center stage.:)
Mirrinus
2007-07-18, 00:14
I see that you have ommited entirely The Trembling of Suzumiya Haruhi....
And I believe that you can't do that. First, "Where did the Cat go" has the "Cat", yet here you completely skipped the cat's introduction!
At least one episode, if not two, will have to be dedicated to the filming of the movie. Both for the Cat, and for explaining Haruhi's change of behaviour at the school festival. This is very important in tying up lose ends, before you-know-who can take center stage.:)
I think you mean "Sighs", not "Trembling"...
Anyway, Shamisen would probably recieve enough screentime in "Disappearance" and some of the other short stories to make his appearance in "Where did the Cat Go?" quite understandable. But if you insist...
An easy way to introduce the cat without animating "Sighs" would be to insert a flashback in the scene in "Disappearance" where Kyon tries to get Shamisen to talk again. It doesn't even have to be a flashback; it could just be a monologue or something explaining how the cat first talked when they got it. In fact, I do recall in chapter 1 of "Disappearance" that Kyon pratically recounts all about Shamisen in his narration. Either way, people who have seen Ep. 1 of the first season should be able to put two and two together...
And personally, I never really thought Haruhi at the school festival was such a loose thread in the first place. Seeing as the second season probably won't mention a thing about the school festival, it seems rather awkward to insert an explanation of any sort into this batch of new information. Not that I think it's necessary, at any rate.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-07-18, 01:54
I think you mean "Sighs", not "Trembling"...
Anyway, Shamisen would probably recieve enough screentime in "Disappearance" and some of the other short stories to make his appearance in "Where did the Cat Go?" quite understandable. But if you insist...
An easy way to introduce the cat without animating "Sighs" would be to insert a flashback in the scene in "Disappearance" where Kyon tries to get Shamisen to talk again. It doesn't even have to be a flashback; it could just be a monologue or something explaining how the cat first talked when they got it. In fact, I do recall in chapter 1 of "Disappearance" that Kyon pratically recounts all about Shamisen in his narration. Either way, people who have seen Ep. 1 of the first season should be able to put two and two together...
And personally, I never really thought Haruhi at the school festival was such a loose thread in the first place. Seeing as the second season probably won't mention a thing about the school festival, it seems rather awkward to insert an explanation of any sort into this batch of new information. Not that I think it's necessary, at any rate.
One way or another, the cat needs to be introduced. And people still needs to know how and why it talks. Several times in the later novels this will be referenced.
And I wasn't specifically talking about the festival; rather, the Haruhi before the film-making was not the same Haruhi after it. A significant event occurs in between that could not be brushed off. Thus some parts of the filming will have to be animated. And while they are there, they might as well introduce that cat.
My guesses for which stories will be used, assuming 14 episodes: (in chronological order)
Suzumiya Haruhi Theater (1 episode)
Begin the series just like how it started last season: with a totally bizarre, random episode parodying cliches. Except this time, they can parody Japanese RPGs instead of anime. I want to see Haruhi threaten and extort random NPCs!
Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody (1 episode)
Absolutely crucial to tell this story if you want to do Disappearance. So, just what did happen 3 years ago?
Endless Eight (2 episodes)
The 15,498 story. Moe moments may run high during this story, but it also foreshadows the motives of a certain character later down the line. Also demonstrates the frightening extent of Haruhi's nigh-omnipotent powers. But of course, we'll be too busy staring at Haruhi, Yuki, and Mikuru in summer yukatas to care...
The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya (6 episodes)
The centerpiece of the second season. This is Kyon's epic journey, loaded with character development and startling revelations regarding the SOS brigade members. And of course, Kyon finally has to come to terms with just how much Haruhi means to him.
Charmed at First Sight LOVER (1 episode)
A nice light-hearted Yuki-centric tale. I can just imagine myself laughing like Tsuruya at a certain scene where Haruhi reads a certain letter...
Snow Mountain Syndrome (2 episodes)
One of the more serious and plot-heavy shorter stories, this is nothing like Lone Island Syndrome. It's also probably Itsuki's most heroic moment, so I'll be looking forward to this one.
Where Did the Cat Go? (1 episode)
Now this is more like Lone Island Syndrome. Except this time, Tsuruya-san is along for the ride. This single episode may contain the highest concentration of LOL FANG-tan in the series to date, so I think I will enjoy it. ^_^
The problem with the chronological order is that Where Did the Cat Go? isn't a great final episode, as it offers no sort of conclusion. The best possible conclusion would be the end of Disappearanced, maybe mixed in with the prologue of Intrigues (which would technically be the final chronological event too, as it happens directly after Where Did the Cat Go?). Snow Mountain wouldn't be a terrible ending either. Of course, if Endless Eight or Disappearance were one episode shorter, or if they don't do Suzumiya Haruhi Theater (I can dream, can't I?), then maybe Tanigawa-sensei would throw in another anime-original final episode.
Personally, I feel as though Kyon isn't clueless by any means as to his own affection for Haruhi, but he too absolutely refuses to admit it. It takes a cataclysmic world-altering event for him to give in to his feelings toward Haruhi, if you catch my drift. He's basically just like Haruhi in that regard; I guess you could say he's really a tsundere character on his own right. Those two are made for each other, aren't they? :D
I don't think that will be it at all. Some of those stories were really unadaptable. My predictions are as followed:
Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody (1) - Need it.
Dissapearance (6) - Main storyline
Sighs (2) - They showed the movie, they need to show the making. Also, they showed the filming in the end credits as well. I think they were planning on doing it, but were cut short. It's 2 episodes since it's an entire book, but it doesn't have much plot in it.
Charmed at first sight LOVER (1)- The reason I put this in is because Dissapearence is VERY focused on Nagato. This story basically revolves around her, so I think it would be a good one to have.
Endless 8 (1) - I personally think this is the one most likely to get in after Bamboo Leaf. It is very adaptable, and a very fun story.
Snow Mountan Syndrome (1) - To be honest, I am really shaky on this. I do not know whether they will do it or not. I am predicting a 3rd series of Haruhi, seeing how large the fan base is, and I think this fits right in with the 3rd series. But if they are taking it one step at a time, definately this.
Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru (1) - If they are making a 3rd season, this is the preview into it. It'll have the viewers asking for more.
Anime original epsiode.
I really think they will adapt almost everything that is left before Volume 7 with this season. Anachronologically, of course, but definately like that.
I seriously am predicting a 3rd season of Haruhi. I think it will contain Volumes 7-10 chronologically in a 20-24 episode season. There's no other way to adapt it.
CrowKenobi
2007-07-20, 23:47
I really think they will adapt almost everything that is left before Volume 7 with this season. Anachronologically, of course, but definately like that.
I seriously am predicting a 3rd season of Haruhi. I think it will contain Volumes 7-10 chronologically in a 20-24 episode season. There's no other way to adapt it.What if we get a 2 cour second season? With 24 or 26 episodes, do you think that we will get all the stories up to volume 9?
:cool:
Mr Hat and Clogs
2007-07-21, 05:43
I doubt they'd end it with Where did the Cat go, that could be tacked onto the end of Snow Mountain Syndrome. Or rather then having two episodes for SMS, you could just have one and the other could be WdtCg. A possibly more appropriate ending would be the Valantines Day story, with the treasure hunting and the choclate giving, though to be honest I can't remember when that occured I haven't seen the books for a few weeks now.
Heck, they could push on into Novel 9... if they were going for a longer series. Or maybe save that for a 3rd series. Maybe finish the second one with a brief introduction of Sasaki...
What if we get a 2 cour second season? With 24 or 26 episodes, do you think that we will get all the stories up to volume 9?
:cool:
Well, 14 episodes, plus 6 for Book 7 makes 20, plus 2 2 parters in book 8 brings us to 24. You'd need 30 episodes to get up to Volume 9. However, I think that they will want to keep the arc self contained into a season, for if they make another season, it won't be for two years or so AFTER season 2.
Just FYI: I'm predicting the release of Season 2 to be April 2008. My logic is that Lucky Star will end in late September. They then will do Clannad because Kyoto seems to be doing a serious, comedy, serious pattern, and Clannad just seems to have more information on it now, such as an actual preview. It'll run 24 episodes from October-March. Haruhi will come on in April.
Is moonphase a japanese or english site/forum? Regardless, might I view the announcements? :D
I'd be crushed if Clannad was to be in the fall of 08, I was so ready to see Nagisa, and Tomoyo...
But I'm not gonna lie, I'm pumped about the second coming! Snowy mount, time travel x2, and normal yuki moe mode FTW!!!
Altogether, I'm extremely hyped, and depressed...(if the Clannad news is true)
Aren't these two bad combinations? O.o;;
Second coming? I don't remember anything about Haruhi dying previously the last time I watched it. ...Which kind of frightens me, as the correct identification for this second season is likely to be the New Testament.
garra113
2007-07-22, 20:14
Umm I didn't read the past posts but when is it coming out now? Not confirmed yet?
Mashimaro
2007-07-22, 22:02
Will the second season start off licensed because of the first season?
Mirificus
2007-07-22, 22:34
Will the second season start off licensed because of the first season?
The first season being licensed doesn't imply that the second season is licensed, although it can make it more likely.
I would be disappointed if it was. The WHOLE reason I've been buying the special edition DVD sets of Haruhi has been to show KyoAni and the others involved that you can put out a subbed series, and still make money (well, that and the fact my youngest daughter likes the cool stuff that comes with the special editions). I would like to think that those involved realize that without the subbing community, they would have had to spend a lot more on marketing, and probably done a lot less successfully.
But then I would like to think that eventually the companies will work out advertising deals with some of the video streaming sites and put subs up directly as another revenue AND marketing tool.
Dreaming of the future that SHOULD be... :)
Vallen Chaos Valiant: Maybe not the novels, but the anime is famous for referencing things out of order. When the Boredom aired, we were suddenly introduced to Koizumi and the legitimacy of Nagato's powers without warning, for instance. Therefore I think that having references to some earlier supernatural phenomenon won't cause the series to fail, it'll just serve to intrigue people.
The only thing that's risky to put out of order is character development, every other kind of re-arranging usually only serves to add to the story's intrigue. In that respect Where Did The Cat Go? could perhaps feel a bit odd when you watch the characters without knowledge of what happened in the Intrigues, since they would skip over that unless this show is 2 seasons (most likely they don't have enough material unless they include Sighs, which is repetitive IMO, or Dissociation, which would be better aired along with the 10th volume but they don't have room for those two volumes and Intrigues) but I wouldn't worry too much about it probably.
GyroidFanatic
2007-07-24, 21:52
Will the second season start off licensed because of the first season?
Since the company that owns it in the US (Kadokawa USA) is owned by the company that owns it in Japan (Kadokawa), it's pretty much safe to assume it is, although it probably won't be announced until they finish a sublicensing agreement (most likely with Bandai again).
Woohooo!
Yay Haruhi 2nd Season!
Praise Haruhi!
I just recently started rewatching the series in chronological order, though "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya VI" was just as moving as it was the first time, and I felt the need to take a break.
I've decided to cryogenically freeze myself until season 2 starts airing, if only they'd announce the date soon. *Can't wait*
takumi2k4
2007-07-26, 00:07
Hmm, I've no doubt that Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody will be animated, since we got that crazy publicity stint. But, it would really be nice if they animated the "Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya." I haven't read any of the others, but Disappearance seemed to me as one of the best stories that I've read. The whole twist and turns all the way from the beginning to the end, I actually stayed up all night reading the light novel.
As for the second season being licensed, I doubt that it is. And it probably has the same reason why it took Bandai at least 6 months more or less to license the show, and that's because Haruhi 2 will be such a hot commodity like Haruhi 1 was.
From a business standpoint, Haruhi 1 was so big that the licensing fees were probably more than what the US pays for the war in Iraq, well an exaggeration, but I believe that it was really pricey. Because if it wasn't, then Haruhi 1 would've been licensed sooner than it did, and as we all know it wasn't. So yeah, heck even Code Geass took a long time to get licensed, wasn't it only a week ago that it was? And Code Geass was also big, but not as big as Haruhi, but it was big.
WanderingKnight
2007-07-26, 00:13
From a business standpoint, Haruhi 1 was so big that the licensing fees were probably more than what the US pays for the war in IraqKadokawa has a local branch in the US, so the licensing fees are practically a bargain, or nonexistent. At least so I have heard, but anyone living in the US and with some idea of the market there may give you a stronger hint.
The longer wait to release season one could be due to market scanning. It doesn't take only the licensing fees to publish anime outside of Japan, you know ;) (publicity, dubbing, subbing...)
takumi2k4
2007-07-26, 01:32
I beg to differ. Kadokawa USA held a panel back in Otakon 2006, and the representative said that they recieved offers from various companies so I highly doubt that there wasn't any licensing fees. Also, the panel was held in August, and the licensors probably had a bidding war, and Bandai ended up winning it, or Kadokawa just chose Bandai.
But whatever the case, I still doubt that Haruhi 2 has been licensed. If that's not the case, then damn, Kadokawa USA must be swimming in a pool of green as we speak.
EDIT: Here's the link of the Kadokawa panel: Click Here (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/convention/2006/otakon/8)
relentlessflame
2007-07-27, 18:18
I beg to differ. Kadokawa USA held a panel back in Otakon 2006, and the representative said that they recieved offers from various companies so I highly doubt that there wasn't any licensing fees. Also, the panel was held in August, and the licensors probably had a bidding war, and Bandai ended up winning it, or Kadokawa just chose Bandai.Well, keep in mind that licensing means (very basic explanation) that the owner transfers their rights to sell a product in a certain market for a limited period of time to some other company. In this case, though, Kadokawa U.S.A -- the original publisher's own branch office -- is the one selling the show. Bandai didn't license it, and Kadokawa didn't pay any licensing fees to itself, obviously. However, because Kadokawa doesn't have the facilities to do dubbing, re-mastering, authoring, duplication, distribution, etc., they either paid or partnered with another company (in this case Bandai) to do that work on their behalf. I'm guessing that it's some sort of shared investment/profit-sharing sort of model.
So, when WanderingKnight says that there's no licensing fees, he's essentially correct. But that doesn't mean the companies weren't bidding for the distribution/production job -- everyone would want a piece of that pie if they could get their hands on it. The time it took for Haruhi to be "licensed", in this case (announced for localization, really), was probably just the result of Kadokawa negotiating with companies to figure out how they wanted to release it and with whom.
So what does that mean for season two? It means that the word "licensed", in the traditional sense, doesn't mean anything here. Kadokawa U.S.A. already basically has the rights to distribute the show here, simply because Kadokawa owns the rights to the show to begin with. However, until they actually announce their intention to release here (because who knows... they could decide not to release it, or whatever...), AnimeSuki won't consider it licensed. From a business perspective, it's a totally different animal, but the net effect to us viewers is basically the same.
Probably way more of an explanation than was required, but you know... "The more you know..." :heh:
eurhteranienains
2007-07-27, 21:30
I don't know why this whole thing is going round in circles but the confirmed released date is this FALL. For those who dont know when fall is its around the month of august-october.
I don't know why this whole thing is going round in circles but the confirmed released date is this FALL. For those who dont know when fall is its around the month of august-october.
Nice and wher is ure Source for the "confirmed release date" ?
The only thing i heard is some small talk of posible release dates at moonphase. I not even heard, that ther is an entry at on the time table of moonphase.
kkthybye
Animexcel
2007-07-27, 23:24
that's pretty quick for a release date, knowing how long the production of animating it takes.
CrowKenobi
2007-07-28, 00:38
that's pretty quick for a release date, knowing how long the production of animating it takes.Considering that they're still working on Lucky Star at the moment. ;)
:cool:
I don't know why this whole thing is going round in circles but the confirmed released date is this FALL. For those who dont know when fall is its around the month of august-october.
There have been no official release dates of Haruhi season 2 (has there even been an official announcement about season 2 even existing ?). Random rumors floating around Moonphase or wherever do not an official information make. At any rate - i hope the upcoming TBS Anime Festa will end all these rumors and shed some light upon the issue. As of now we only know they are going to make an announcement regarding Clannad.
http://www.tbs.co.jp/anime/festa/
He's also responsible for 100% of the suckage in the the first 4 eps of Lucky Star.
... Hmmm... yes. I know this is a bit late, I remember writing this post as a joking reply to how an article attributed a percentage of Haruhi's success to Yutaka Yamamoto, without actually sourcing this supposed statistic. I've noticed I've been anonymously neg repped for it because of being "overstated and underthough". :p Funny, I don't actually think that the first 4 episodes of Lucky Star actually sucked, just that they're not as good as the episodes from ep 5 onwards, which is when the new director took over from Yamamoto, which is why I used him in the joke.
It was an exaggerated joke on his involvement in Lucky Star used as a reply to the exaggeration of his role in Haruhi's success (though I do love what he did with the Hare Hare Yukai dance, and while that was a big part of Haruhi's success, it's not that big a part), and for the person who neg repped me, I would like to say that I apologise if you took this as an opinion and thought it wasn't thought out. And if you did realise it was a joke and thought I should've put more thought into it and made it less overstated, I apologise for that too. I couldn't put this in PM form because you left the neg rep anonymous, so I'm posting this in the thread the post you neg repped me for just in case you're still reading.
ch0c0b0fr34k
2007-08-01, 02:35
This has nothing to do with the conversation going on, but I feel that the storyline itself (as written in the novels) are turning away from Haruhi and more deeply into the side characters. While I do see merit for such action, I cannot help but feel quite melancholic about Haruhi being shown as nothing more than a prop.
Seeing as how I love this series soley because of Suzumiya's perfect attitude and looks in terms with how I myself imagined it (since I am one of the few, few, few people who read the novels before the anime...), it's quite disappointing now that the camera is being redirected towards another character, with hardly a mention towards my favorite character.
One thing bothering me (mainly) is how the 9th series is Mikuru's focus and everybody else drops down into "autopilot" mode.....personally, I completely dislike her attitude in both the novels and the anime (once again, Kyoto surprises me in this aspect of how well they portray characters). She's too fragile, annoying (excluding her cuteness factor, she really is nothing, so to speak), and frankly doesn't really change. Now, I can also compare this with Kyon, who also hardly changes....but really, he was quite perfect in the first place.
Now, I wouldn't mind if Haruhi was showed some more, since I love every moment where she's mentioned. However, I am frustrated that Suzumiya is "clueless" and although the excuses Kyon gives her are adequate, in some cases they just....fail, no offence. That makes it seem as if the author (pardon me, forgot his name) is actively against Haruhi knowing anything at all. Now, at that point I was wondering how such an academically-strong student such as her could suck up crap like that as fast as a drain....but I suppose there is a reason.
Anyways, being as impatient as I am, I really want the anime to at least show Haruhi being more suspicious. Yes, the novel does have some Haruhi-suspicious moments, but they are extremely far and few between. Hm.....actually, I suppose all I needed to say was that I'm annoyed at the lack of character development in Haruhi, and I sincerely hope the anime is proactive enough to change that. My 2cents.
Alesiopdv
2007-08-03, 21:54
That seem to be the general complaint about novels 5 and beyond but to me that is not the case
Haruhi personality changes a lot from first year to now, in vol 2 she was totally selfish and bossy while doing the movie and doesnt seem to concern about the safety of her friends, and ignore everyone that wasnt part of her brigade. But now she acts very different. Vol 8 is a great example, showing how now she (even when still bossy) helps other people and worry about her friends. Particullary about Yuki. Actually she acts SO worry about Yuki safety that makes me lift my eyebrows. Okey I know Yuri fantasies. But in vol 3 she treats Yuki almost like a stranger but after Snow Mountain Syndrome she is terribly worry something can happen to her. Even Koizumi points this to the (usually) clueless Kyon.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-08-07, 08:15
Had this dream last night that I saw the first episode of the second season, and all it was for the whole time was a title card proclaiming that I was watching the second season of Suzumiya Haruhi, and I think I heard Haruhi going "Myaaaaa!". Anyway, honest to god true story.......and a little bizarre, but it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen until I woke up. Perhaps it had a little something to do with my brain picking up on unfinished thoughts about the rather boring 22 minute promo trailer and going on what I know about the second season, which is nothing. Which is also coincidentally all we need to know right now as it will basically sell itself.....hmmmmmmmm......:confused:
BladeStone
2007-08-11, 09:05
I'm sure this might have been discussed, but which novels was the first season based on, and which novels will the second probably be based on?
Mirrinus
2007-08-11, 13:12
I'm sure this might have been discussed, but which novels was the first season based on, and which novels will the second probably be based on?
First season covered all of volume 1, all but "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" of volume 3, and 1 story from volumes 5 and 6 each.
I predict that the second season will start off (chronologically) with "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody", all of novel 4 (which will probably be the main plot, like Melancholy in the first season), and the remaining short stories in volumes 5 and 6, minus "The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru", which will probably be best to save for when volume 7 gets animated. Don't know if volume 2 will get animated, since it's basically just the making of the movie shown in the first season. There are a few points of interest, like the introduction of Shamisen, but I'm not sure if it's worth telling the whole story.
velocity7
2007-08-11, 15:35
If you guys didn't know:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1089767&postcount=660
CLANNAD is confirmed to be airing October 4 this Fall. Not sure about Haruhi at this point...
Mirrinus
2007-08-11, 18:32
If you guys didn't know:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1089767&postcount=660
CLANNAD is confirmed to be airing October 4 this Fall. Not sure about Haruhi at this point...
Exactly as I expected. CLANNAD was announced first, after all.
I'm patient enough to wait. Either way, I'm gonna get a show that I'm quite excited to watch.
if haruhi 2 is really on winter like what moonphase said (which split clannad in two),
I don't konw if this is an good decision.
Since we know that Japan anime's "hot" season is spring and fall,
winter seems a bit "cold" for an popular anime like haruhi.
Mirrinus
2007-08-12, 03:08
if haruhi 2 is really on winter like what moonphase said (which split clannad in two),
I don't konw if this is an good decision.
Since we know that Japan anime's "hot" season is spring and fall,
winter seems a bit "cold" for an popular anime like haruhi.
Eh, I take what Moonphase says with a grain of salt. Wouldn't be surprised if they're wrong.
whitewater_81
2007-08-12, 09:40
Since we know that Japan anime's "hot" season is spring and fall,
winter seems a bit "cold" for an popular anime like haruhi.
you'll never know...it's haruhi after all....:rolleyes:
mcruz1014
2007-08-12, 19:18
I don't think any season with Haruhi showing would be "cold" necessarily
Awesome, just recently finished watching the first season, and now I find out there is a second!
Lets just hope it doesn't start of as being licensed and is then only released as Dubbs 2years later or something.
GuidoHunter_Toki
2007-08-15, 15:24
Can't wait for the 2nd season. I just hope they take there time and make sure its good and don't rush it.
With expectations as high as they are, I doubt they'd rush anything. At least not the bad kind of rush, they'll put plenty of resources into this project. I can't wait. ^__^
can't wait till air date been hooked to dis show 2 days ago wen parents bought me the first volume
I found this video absolutely brilliant. Who else could be bold enough to shoot this and put it online, knowing that thousands ( millions? :p ) of people are waiting eagerly for the 2nd season of that unique (television, may i remind you) show? Only Japanese animation can give us that. Of course it's strange, and yeah it's boring, but c'mon, that's Haruhi! I would even say there's a very nice blair witch project like touch in it.
my point is : Just like you all, I can't wait. :eyespin:
adelsmud
2007-08-23, 08:50
Just out of interest, is it OK to expect a season 3?
ch0c0b0fr34k
2007-08-23, 14:01
Hell, it's oK to expect season 4,5, and 6. At least in my super-optimistic view xD. As long as fanbase stays strong, continuation of the previous season will too.
mcruz1014
2007-08-24, 14:09
Hell, it's oK to expect season 4,5, and 6. At least in my super-optimistic view xD. As long as fanbase stays strong, continuation of the previous season will too.
Considering that Haruhi is probably the most popular anime in Japan right now, I don't think that the fanbase staying strong would be too much of a problem. ;)
With expectations as high as they are, I doubt they'd rush anything. At least not the bad kind of rush, they'll put plenty of resources into this project. I can't wait. ^__^
Two words. Kyoto Animation.
Really, they don't rush and create crappy anime like certain other companies - Besides it's their most popular show as far as I know.
Sun Shine
2007-08-24, 16:52
What do you reckon, animes madly spaced out again or a chronological order, it will be interesting to see how its done. I hope this season is longer than the first because the first didn't feel long enough at all.
Just out of interest, is it OK to expect a season 3?
I would not be surprised. However, I do not think there will be anything beyond that. The author is having a hell of a time trying to get volume 10 written, and assuming a 14 episode season, most of volumes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and half of 8 would be already be made. (Most predictions are DissappearenceX6, SighsX2, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody [EXTREMELY EARLY IN THE SERIES!], Endless Eight, Snow Mountain Syndrome, Charmed at first Sight LOVER, Editor in Chief, and 1 original story). The would leave 2 stories left, only 1 of which I think would be animated in a hypothetical season 3, and then 3 full novels in 7, 9, and 10. I doubt he will release any more books after 10. So, season three in my opinion will be 24 episodes long, with the first 2 at 14.
Hmm so 52 episodes to cover all ten volumes....
Hmm so 52 episodes to cover all ten volumes....
5.2 episodes per volume makes sense. Melancholy took 6, and it had the 2nd most material in any of the first 8 I'm read. 7 was longer, but 6 was more detailed.
mcruz1014
2007-08-25, 21:43
What do you reckon, animes madly spaced out again or a chronological order, it will be interesting to see how its done. I hope this season is longer than the first because the first didn't feel long enough at all.
I hope that the second season airs in chronological order. Not having read the novels, I don't know that I would have stuck with the first season had it not already been finished when I started watching it, and the correct order already been revealed.
I hope that the second season airs in chronological order. Not having read the novels, I don't know that I would have stuck with the first season had it not already been finished when I started watching it, and the correct order already been revealed.
I think it is likely that the second season would be anachronological as well. However, a hypothetical 3rd season (April 2010 if it were to come out) would need to be chronological. If they are planning on 3 seasons, it would be worth a question. If it's only 2, then I think it will be anachronological.
CrowKenobi
2007-08-26, 06:04
I think it is likely that the second season would be anachronological as well. However, a hypothetical 3rd season (April 2010 if it were to come out) would need to be chronological. If they are planning on 3 seasons, it would be worth a question. If it's only 2, then I think it will be anachronological.Unless they decide to do a 24 or 26 episode second season which then could cover all the novels up to (but not including) 9. :D
:cool:
Unless they decide to do a 24 or 26 episode second season which then could cover all the novels up to (but not including) 9. :D
:cool:
They very well could do that, however, I really don't think it is that good of an idea. If they do 24, it would be Disappearence X6, Scheme X6, Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, Charmed at First Sight LOVER, Snow Mountain Syndrome, Endless Eight, Sighs X2, Editor in Chief X2, The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru, Where did the cat go?, Wandering Shadow X2, and Original Episode X2. They'd be able to do a very full coverege up to and including number 8, but it they wanted to do a season three, they'd only be able to make it a 14 episode season. Not only will this piss Haruhiists off, but it would also create the need of overstretching a story. 9 is one of the shortest light novels so far, as it is a 2 part story. As such, making it 7 episodes long and 10 7 episodes long would result in a very boring story, making it go out as a failure.
Oh, and by the way, thinking the way that Kyoto does, if I were you, I'd make sure to see Lucky Star 24 as soon as it comes out. I'm thinking they may put the first preview to Haruhi in the next episode portion, just like they put Clannad in Kanon.
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-08-26, 07:55
Imho it's gonna be anachronological this time too...
When I watched season 1, I felt confused at first, but it wasn't like I couldn't figure out what was going on at all. It was a bit confusing, but it still made sense.
This.... weirdness (among so many other aspects I really loved, seiyuu, animation, music, etc) contributed to make Haruhi one of my favorite anime of all times.
I hope they can surprise me again (very likely, since I'm not a novel reader... :heh:)
Most likey,haruhi 2 will premiere next april becuase the director of SHNY is working on clannad currently,the quality of both haruhi 2 and clannad might be ruined if he is working on both series at the same time.
BTW,I prefer haruhi 2 to air during the next spring season.
Imho it's gonna be anachronological this time too...
When I watched season 1, I felt confused at first, but it wasn't like I couldn't figure out what was going on at all. It was a bit confusing, but it still made sense.
This.... weirdness (among so many other aspects I really loved, seiyuu, animation, music, etc) contributed to make Haruhi one of my favorite anime of all times.
I hope they can surprise me again (very likely, since I'm not a novel reader... :heh:)
I did a bit of thinking about this upcoming series. There is going to be a bit of an error. When in the first season, Haruhi mentioned the real numbering of episodes, some of them occurred after the story "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody". This story is ESSENTIAL for the main storyline of season 2 to occur, even though it is not a really eventful story. So, there is going to be a messup.
But my opinion is that, since they are probably doing Disappearence and short storiest, they cannot go chronological. Some of the short stories chronologically happen before the events of disappearence, and nobody likes a story where the main concept of the series is introduced in like episode 5 or 6.
So, I really think that it is likely for another anachronological season. I think that Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody will be the 1st episode of the main storyline chronologically, for without it, the story does not make sense. For the fans who want to watch the main storyline as one story, it would erupt into chaos.
Regardless, it will appear before the first episode of Disappearence shows.
I'm sorry if this has been asked a billion times, I don't have enough time to read through all of this, is the 2 season out yet, and if not when does it come out?
I'm sorry if this has been asked a billion times, I don't have enough time to read through all of this, is the 2 season out yet, and if not when does it come out?
No it's not out yet. Most likely next year after Clannad.
starry_sky45
2007-09-08, 22:37
omg! :D yessssss
I freakin love this series! About time :):):):eyespin:
Nihlathak
2007-09-09, 07:44
Will it be prosponded after the end of Clannad?
Till Januarary next year?
Will it be prosponded after the end of Clannad?
Till Januarary next year?
nothing has been said, only the confirmation that it will happen. Should wait until the end of Clannad because Clannad airs this October.
I hope that we get some new information (airing date)in the last episode of Lucky Star.....
I hope that we get some new information (airing date)in the last episode of Lucky Star.....
That's my prediction. I'm planning on getting Lucky Star raw if available as soon as possible, for it just seems like something they'd do. Unless, of course, they decide to announce a new anime for something like Fall 2008 of even winter 2009. I doubt it, though.
I hope they continue from the Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi
I hope they continue from the Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi
I thought that much was released. If they continue from Sighs, unless Kyoto pulls off a miracle, then Haruhi would be an absolute disaster, and Kyoto's fan base would completely collapse. It'd have to be disappearence.
I thought that much was released. If they continue from Sighs, unless Kyoto pulls off a miracle, then Haruhi would be an absolute disaster, and Kyoto's fan base would completely collapse. It'd have to be disappearence.
Just saying, not out of the ordinary for them to do that ;P - Though you're right.
Just saying, not out of the ordinary for them to do that ;P - Though you're right.
Hopefully we'll be able to tell on Sunday. I really hope they put in a preview at the end of Lucky Star.
I thought that much was released. If they continue from Sighs, unless Kyoto pulls off a miracle, then Haruhi would be an absolute disaster, and Kyoto's fan base would completely collapse. It'd have to be disappearence.
Disappearance requires Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody to be adapted as well, and if they're going to adapt something from that far back in the time line (BLR takes place in between Boredom (the chapter, not the book) and Mystérique Sign), they might as well adapt other stuff they left out of the last season. I can see the 2nd season possibly being 24 eps, and if they do go with that amount then they will have plenty of space to adapt both Sighs and Disappearance and any surrounding stories.
And I certainly don't see them not following the "Kyon/Haruhi" anachronic/chronological order again.
Hum, but if they do a 24 episodes season (please, oh please let them do a 24 episodes season) they won't be able to be quite as all over the place with the episode order as in season 1. For exemple, showing ep.2 as ep.20 or mixing episodes from Sighs and Disappearance would take the anachronic order from 'fun' to 'confusing'. So yeah, I'd expect them to mix up the episode order, but not too much (if that makes sense).
Disappearance requires Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody to be adapted as well, and if they're going to adapt something from that far back in the time line (BLR takes place in between Boredom (the chapter, not the book) and Mystérique Sign), they might as well adapt other stuff they left out of the last season. I can see the 2nd season possibly being 24 eps, and if they do go with that amount then they will have plenty of space to adapt both Sighs and Disappearance and any surrounding stories.
And I certainly don't see them not following the "Kyon/Haruhi" anachronic/chronological order again.
Without a doubt they will need Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody. And I am sure that Sighs will be in the series as a 2 parter. However, I only see it as a 14 episode series again, as it is the only way to have enough material for a 3rd season. My thoughts are that this wil be anachronological again, but Bamboo leaf with be considered part of the Disappearence segment.
Raptor73
2007-09-27, 06:37
I think that, as tradition for many Anime series, a movie will be released for Suzumiya Haruhi. What I think the series will do is cover the novels 3-8 in the series then have 9-10 possibly covered in a movie. Only a wild theory though.
I think that, as tradition for many Anime series, a movie will be released for Suzumiya Haruhi. What I think the series will do is cover the novels 3-8 in the series then have 9-10 possibly covered in a movie. Only a wild theory though.
Don't think so, because anime movies that get made from anime series; either have a made-up story like something extra or have a recap of a couple of ep with some new material.
FatPianoBoy
2007-09-27, 19:49
I could see Snow Mountain Syndrome being made into a movie. It's pretty long and involved, and might do better on its own as a movie or OVA than mixed in with another series.
Raptor73
2007-09-28, 07:53
Whether a movie is made or not, I'm going to be very interested into how they manage to produce novels 9 and 10 into an Anime, as having 2 separate time-lines is going to be hard to implement. They could always just show time-line 1 then time-line 2 in separate episodes, but then where's the fun in that? plus I think that would take away some of the impact of the story.
Whether a movie is made or not, I'm going to be very interested into how they manage to produce novels 9 and 10 into an Anime, as having 2 separate time-lines is going to be hard to implement. They could always just show time-line 1 then time-line 2 in separate episodes, but then where's the fun in that? plus I think that would take away some of the impact of the story.
Hopefully they'll come up with a cool solution, I mean after all, they got away with airing the series completely unchronological :)
panzerfan
2007-10-01, 13:24
Season 2 will be hard pressed to talk about novel 5 as it talks about Disappearance, given the sheer amount of plot in it. Admittedly, KyoAni is taking on a task even more ambitious in that they're doing Clannad in 2x episodes (according to Moon Phase in 2 installments and letting Haruhi2 take the stage in winter). I would lean to let KyoAni focus itself on doing a marvelous job with Disappearance than covering more ground atm.
~ Lawliet ~
2007-10-04, 20:41
I have been very much anticipating this.
therationalpi
2007-10-09, 11:55
After reading a lot of the light novels (translated, I can't read enough japanese to read them in their original language), I must say that there are a lot of stories left for them to adapt.
Personally, I really want to see the Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya as the "anchor" story, like Melancholy was in season one. If they go for another 12-14 episodes, that should be fine. They can throw Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody somewhere in there, and a couple other stories. If they do that, I think they can do the two different orders again. Most likely, if they are going off the novels, then they have to bring in stories that fall between season one's episodes anyway.
However, if they go for 24 episodes, like we all seem to be hoping they'll need two big story arcs. In 24 episodes, they really could exhaust a lot of the source material. I'm excited to see what happens.
Takuto19
2007-10-09, 20:32
I can't wait for the next season (hopefully start airing after Clannad), i would prefere they took it kind of slow but it doesn't bother me too much.
A 24 episode of season 2 would be great, i like to rewatch the 1st season from time to time so rewatching a 24 episode season would be great for me.
2nd season?!?!? can't wait for it!!! heheheheh:D
oompa loompa
2007-10-22, 14:37
err.. i just watched the first season.. and i dont know where to begin about looking for info on the second.. so.. could someone please just summarize whats been going on, if theres gonna be another season ( i think its been announced ) and when its (some sort of vague estimation time for when :D) gonna air?
OceanBlue
2007-10-22, 20:19
err.. i just watched the first season.. and i dont know where to begin about looking for info on the second.. so.. could someone please just summarize whats been going on, if theres gonna be another season ( i think its been announced ) and when its (some sort of vague estimation time for when :D) gonna air?
Summarization: Discussing what will be in the second season. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya was based off of a series of light novels, so the second season will do the same. People are guessing as to what part of the novels there will be, how they'll do it, and how many episodes it will be.
Will there be another season: Yes, after Clannad finishes.
When: Around winter, after Clannad.
I hope that helped.
oompa loompa
2007-10-22, 23:07
very much lol thnx a lot :D
Oh, darn... I would totaly want to watch the second season <3
*waits for second season to arrive*
Takuto19
2007-10-28, 15:00
Summarization: Discussing what will be in the second season. The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya was based off of a series of light novels, so the second season will do the same. People are guessing as to what part of the novels there will be, how they'll do it, and how many episodes it will be.
Will there be another season: Yes, after Clannad finishes.
When: Around winter, after Clannad.
I hope that helped.
Hmm winter next year as in November/December 08? awww, too long to wait heh, well i'm glad i'v got Clannad to keep me going.
LunaWolf
2007-10-28, 22:45
umm. The second season is a drama? Its acted by real people, right? It won't be as poupular as the anime version...
FatPianoBoy
2007-10-28, 22:48
umm. The second season is a drama? Its acted by real people, right? It won't be as poupular as the anime version...
Huh? Where'd you get this from?
There being a drama version of Haruhi was a rumour from long ago, there is no live action version, and the second season isn't going to be live action either.
I can guarantee you that Haruhi season 2 is going to be KyoAni's next TV series project after Clannad. And if I'm wrong, you get 50 bucks.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-10-29, 19:11
There being a drama version of Haruhi was a rumour from long ago, there is no live action version, and the second season isn't going to be live action either.
I can guarantee you that Haruhi season 2 is going to be KyoAni's next TV series project after Clannad. And if I'm wrong, you get 50 bucks.
Becareful there... It could be FMP, if KyoAni feel like being evil...:D
oompa loompa
2007-10-30, 14:07
Becareful there... It could be FMP, if KyoAni feel like being evil...:D
maybe.. but on one hand they HAVE already announced the new season of haruhi, whereas a new season of fmp hasnt been announced yet..
I recently watched Haruhi and loved it (naturally ;) ) But I have run into a dilemma and need some thoughts on it. I have acquired all of the light novels from which Haruhi is based off but...I don't want to read them because I'd rather not spoil it for the anime since I heard there was a second season was coming out in the fall. It's now winter. After doing some research, I now know that the second season is merely a rumor. Some people say it's coming, some people say it's not. There is no official confirmation either way.
After watching the anime, I read the first novel and enjoyed it, but naturally preferred the anime. After all, it's only a light novel; it's not the same experience and not as immersive. It's really hearing Kyon's voiceover and seeing his expressions that make the series for me. I know I won't enjoy the light novels as much and it's not replacement for the anime. If I read them, I feel like I'll be ruining it for me. But then, should I hold out hope for the second season? If it doesn't come this year, will it at least come eventually? I just need to know it's coming. Should I hold my breath? Or will that just be torturing myself? If I read the novels I could at least get it out of my system but still...
After doing some research, I now know that the second season is merely a rumor. Some people say it's coming, some people say it's not. There is no official confirmation either way.
But then, should I hold out hope for the second season? If it doesn't come this year, will it at least come eventually? I just need to know it's coming. Should I hold my breath? Or will that just be torturing myself? If I read the novels I could at least get it out of my system but still...
It's production is not a rumor. It was confirmed back in July. There is a thread on it here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=50432). The airing date is a rumor and is not officially announced. Just that it's "Next".
orange.a
2007-10-30, 16:01
(naturally ;) )
I hope you do not take this as a troll but...
Why it's "natural" to love Haruhi when you watch it?
It's production is not a rumor. It was confirmed back in July. There is a thread on it here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=50432). The airing date is a rumor and is not officially announced. Just that it's "Next".
I hate to break it to you but that thread says the source is Newtype, which turned out to be wrong. Link here (http://heiseidemocracy.com/2006/08/08/newtype-lies-edit-hd-lies/) explains. I mean, I'd love if that was true but unfortunately that's not the case.
This issue of Newtype indicates nothing to confirm or deny its possible production.
Any other confirmations?
I hope you do not take this as a troll but...
Why it's "natural" to love Haruhi when you watch it?
Huh...cuz it's popular I guess? I dunno. I'm not trying to make some universal truth about people who don't like it. That's like questioning me if I said "I love apples (naturally)" lol.
I hate to break it to you but that thread says the source is Newtype, which turned out to be wrong.
Keep going. The announcement was on and around 7/7/07.
I see, thanks. I tried googling it so many times but got many conflicting answers. So it's coming but no one knows when that's all, right? That's relief. I guess I can hold off knowing that much.
Tasuke00
2007-11-01, 18:37
Awww.. I'm so slow... Can't belived such a nice anime i didnt notice it til someone told me about it :p When on season 1 only mention its a school comedy anime but i think on the season 2 they will be added to romance :P Because somehow i felt Haruhi and kyon relationship is like adam and eve .
oompa loompa
2007-11-02, 08:27
Hmm winter next year as in November/December 08? awww, too long to wait heh, well i'm glad i'v got Clannad to keep me going.
ehhh? i thought clannad was going to end this winter!! oh well i guess it was a stupid assumption.. cos i dont watch clannad..
GoldAlchemist
2007-11-02, 09:05
ehhh? i thought clannad was going to end this winter!! oh well i guess it was a stupid assumption.. cos i dont watch clannad..
Clannad is due to air 24 episodes, so it's going to end in mid March. If KyoAni's next project is confirmed to be Haruhi Season 2, then we would be getting it by spring 2008!
Tasuke00
2007-11-02, 18:34
Awww.. When is season 2 going to come out i can't wait to watch it XD.. I saw so many post about season 2 coming out i was wondering is this a rumors or ppl wish XD
Recently watched first season one more time and understood, how much I am waiting for the second to begin!!! =)
I wonder will it be normal or shuffle, like the first one? o.o
westbluef
2007-11-05, 05:12
I wonder will it be normal or shuffle, like the first one? o.o
That is a question that has plagued Haruhism for a long time..:confused:;)
I hope there won't be shuffle, because it was kinda uneasy to watch, even including the thing I fistly watched it after all episodes came out.Second time I watched it properly...
GoldAlchemist
2007-11-05, 09:27
If they're doing to the short story kind, i don't really mind that they shuffle it.
But i'm guessing that this coming season will be about Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody from the Boredom of Suzumiya Haruhi and the whole of the Vanishment of Suzumiya Haruhi. If my prediction is right, i hope they don't shuffle.
Itadakimasu!
2007-11-06, 01:05
Given that the novels themselves arent entirely in chronological order, and Episode 9 of s1 was the chronological finale of s1... i have a feeling there will be some form of shuffle...
On another note, would it be possible that the final novel release was delayed to coincide with s2???? or am i just hoping for too much haruhi :P
HikariKaZe
2007-11-06, 07:40
I recently watched Haruhi and loved it (naturally ;) ) But I have run into a dilemma and need some thoughts on it. I have acquired all of the light novels from which Haruhi is based off but...I don't want to read them because I'd rather not spoil it for the anime since I heard there was a second season was coming out in the fall. It's now winter. After doing some research, I now know that the second season is merely a rumor. Some people say it's coming, some people say it's not. There is no official confirmation either way.
After watching the anime, I read the first novel and enjoyed it, but naturally preferred the anime. After all, it's only a light novel; it's not the same experience and not as immersive. It's really hearing Kyon's voiceover and seeing his expressions that make the series for me. I know I won't enjoy the light novels as much and it's not replacement for the anime. If I read them, I feel like I'll be ruining it for me. But then, should I hold out hope for the second season? If it doesn't come this year, will it at least come eventually? I just need to know it's coming. Should I hold my breath? Or will that just be torturing myself? If I read the novels I could at least get it out of my system but still...
Nah.. its not a rumour.. Its even posted on its site.. www.haruhi.tv that a second season is decided.. guess they'll name it The Dissapearance of Suzumiya Haruhi or sth like dat.. Pretty sure they wont go like Suzumiya Haruhi Season II.. lol
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-11-06, 07:59
On another note, would it be possible that the final novel release was delayed to coincide with s2???? or am i just hoping for too much haruhi :P
Under current quantity of novel materials, it would take at least two, if not three, more seasons of TV series to reach the current stage of the novels. So that is unlikely.
panzerfan
2007-11-08, 00:34
Novel material... I lean to the idea of having certain chapters done as OVA actually. I can't wait to see how will anyone handle novel 9 in particular. (Somehow contemplating the scenario where KyoAni v. Toei adoption pops up again)
GoldAlchemist
2007-11-08, 04:50
(Somehow contemplating the scenario where KyoAni v. Toei adoption pops up again)
Oh, please, i definitely don't want to see Toei messing Haruhi up! :mad:
Toei is a good studio, but no one, except KyoAni, should ever touch Suzumiya Haruhi.
On a side note, i hope that the future Haruhi series would be separated along the lines of main stories and short stories.
Under current quantity of novel materials, it would take at least two, if not three, more seasons of TV series to reach the current stage of the novels. So that is unlikely.
or they could just as easily skip a lot of what happened in the novels. If I recall one of the complaints about the first season (from those who havnt read the novels) was that galf the episodes didnt further the plot at all. if they simply got rid of anything "episodic" then it would be doable, but i really hope they don't.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-11-09, 19:53
or they could just as easily skip a lot of what happened in the novels. If I recall one of the complaints was that half the episodes were too episodic, if they simply got rid of anything "episodic" then it wouldn't be impossible, but i really hope they don't.
No, you would still be left with at least two seasons of material after removing most stand-alone stories. Later story arcs got longer and longer, so it needs more episodes than the earlier books.
FatPianoBoy
2007-11-09, 19:57
Also, character development ftw ;)
Itadakimasu!
2007-11-10, 05:33
Well.... what I meant was that it would be like what happened with HP 7 ... the final book was not released until after the 5th film.... i guess they were afraid people would stop watching the movies after to last book came out.... would it be possible they were delaying the novel until after Haruhi 2?
Also, there isn't a confirmed air date for H2 is there? So we might not be seeing it straight after Clannad?
kimchipride
2007-11-11, 15:02
Well.... what I meant was that it would be like what happened with HP 7 ... the final book was not released until after the 5th film.... i guess they were afraid people would stop watching the movies after to last book came out.... would it be possible they were delaying the novel until after Haruhi 2?
I think you're thinking too much...
Anyways I think and hope S2 will come out after Clannad. I love Clannad but I think I'd enjoy S2 more. I seriously hope Clannad is as good as Kanon. I didn't like Air that much. 6 episodes and I think it's already better than Air.
If S2 wasn't after Clannad what would KyoAni do? I guess they might do the three other visual games by Key.... But I doubt it. HARUHI S2 FTW Make it longer than 14 eps plz
lazyasian224
2007-11-11, 17:10
I think you're thinking too much...
Anyways I think and hope S2 will come out after Clannad. I love Clannad but I think I'd enjoy S2 more. I seriously hope Clannad is as good as Kanon. I didn't like Air that much. 6 episodes and I think it's already better than Air.
If S2 wasn't after Clannad what would KyoAni do? I guess they might do the three other visual games by Key.... But I doubt it. HARUHI S2 FTW Make it longer than 14 eps plz
yea i liked kanon more than air just bc air was sorta weird with the dude becoming Sora and stuff like taht
KyoAni is just very special in that they do really unique stuff
as of rite now... doesnt seem like theres anything else for KyoAni to do.
CANT WAIT FOR HARUHI SEASON 2 :D
does anyone know if there has been release date announced for the second season of Haruhi Suzumiya
lazyasian224
2007-11-11, 19:38
does anyone know if there has been release date announced for the second season of Haruhi Suzumiya
not yet but we are speculating that it will be Spring 2008?
thats when KyoAni finishes Clannad
hopefully it will be that soon :D
cool, i just can't wait to see what else the SOS brigade can get into under Haruhi's leadership
I haven't actually looked much through this thread, but I found a video that looks VERY MUCH LIKE THE ANIME, and it looks like it will be from season 2. Like I said, I don't know if it's posted before... but here goes. The plot is from the book "The Dissapearance/Vanishment of Suzumiya Haruhi":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRfukJBQNIA
kimchipride
2007-11-14, 01:39
I haven't actually looked much through this thread, but I found a video that looks VERY MUCH LIKE THE ANIME, and it looks like it will be from season 2. Like I said, I don't know if it's posted before... but here goes. The plot is from the book "The Dissapearance/Vanishment of Suzumiya Haruhi":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRfukJBQNIA
Sigh... You know a video is fake if you recognize the clips. These scenes are from S1 and it repeats the same thing over and over. They just added in Yuki blushing. Doesn't look like official material at all. It's cool though :cool:
Kaioshin Sama
2007-11-14, 02:26
Also, character development ftw ;)
I'm only finished up to and including novel 4, and the only character the author seems to care about anymore is Yuki.:( Also the novel does have character development, but he also seems to like erasing much of the Kyon and Haruhi developments near the end of each novel. Frustratingly so. In fact, the first thing I thought of when I saw Shana Season II do the whole "Yuuji didn't hear Shana's confession thing was how much it reminded me of the Haruhi novels. I hear they do some interesting things in Volume 8 though, and am tempted to skip over Volumes 5-7 in order to get their.
Anyway, I would hope this feeling of looping character development doesn't carry over to the second season, but I have reason to worry given that I've noticed Kyoani's own tendency to follow a looping formula for the first 6-8 episodes of any given series they adapt. Or at least with the Key ones. Or maybe that's just the nature of the games themselves and they just happen to pick series that do that. I may never know.
Anyway, common belief holds that the second season will be based on the Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi, which was a pretty solid read for the most part, albeit it that it reminded me a bit of those Mirror Universe episodes of Star Trek I tend to not like. It was handled well enough though, that is until the final chapter, which was just about as much of a Deus Ex Machina let down as they come and made almost no sense. I won't say much more now, but the final chapter of each Haruhi novel has tended to be the weakest of each. We'll see how the anime goes though, and if need be, they can just stick the weakest chapters in the middle like they did last series.
Sigh... You know a video is fake if you recognize the clips. These scenes are from S1 and it repeats the same thing over and over. They just added in Yuki blushing. Doesn't look like official material at all. It's cool though :cool:
Bah, oh well, I guess I was close, since it is actual anime clips.... oh well, looked pretty familiar anyway, just thought it was the second season with the way it was laid out, and the little "Library Card" scene...
Wait... is there a scene as such in the first season? I know there is such in the book that this video is "Portraying" supposedly, but was there one in the first season?
FatPianoBoy
2007-11-14, 12:27
I'm only finished up to and including novel 4, and the only character the author seems to care about anymore is Yuki.:(
He's admitted that Yuki is his favorite, but Mikuru gets some good development around volume 7. I was worried that we'd get an Itsuki novel next, but thankfully some other folks showed up before that happened :heh:
Also the novel does have character development, but he also seems to like erasing much of the Kyon and Haruhi developments near the end of each novel.
...
I hear they do some interesting things in Volume 8 though, and am tempted to skip over Volumes 5-7 in order to get their.
The Kyon and Haruhi developments do get a bit of a reset, but that's mostly because Haruhi will end up believing that nothing that happened was real. However, the progression of their feelings and relationship don't get a reset. It's... weird.
Anyway, common belief holds that the second season will be based on the Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi, which was a pretty solid read for the most part, albeit it that it reminded me a bit of those Mirror Universe episodes of Star Trek I tend to not like. It was handled well enough though, that is until the final chapter, which was just about as much of a Deus Ex Machina let down as they come and made almost no sense.
It's revisited and explained much more understandably later. That's all I'll say.
But yeah, I do hope that it will be more understandable the first time in animated form than it was in the novels. I think it probably will be, as visual media offers more data than text, so they'll probably have to include details which were intentionally omitted in the novel the first time around.
SnakeLegend
2007-11-17, 13:26
Oh sure it is time...
I think I'll just have to stare around before I do anything -_-:
Mr Hat and Clogs
2007-11-18, 08:07
It's revisited and explained much more understandably later. That's all I'll say.
Its is somewhat mind bending how it all goes down, was very entertaining. Might read the series again sometime soon, just itching for book 10 heh.
Yuri Jacobs
2007-11-18, 22:51
Possibly, perhaps we'll know the outcome in the 3rd season. If it does last long.
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
2007-11-19, 05:12
I have not been following this thread so pardon me for asking,are they going to animate this after Clannad?
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-11-19, 08:10
I have not been following this thread so pardon me for asking,are they going to animate this after Clannad?
Not officially. Very likely, mind you, as KyoAni is tight-lipped about that. Just remember to watch the final episode of Clannnad, as official announcements can be made about such matters right at the very end-credits of a KyoAni show.
lazyasian224
2007-11-19, 17:33
Not officially. Very likely, mind you, as KyoAni is tight-lipped about that. Just remember to watch the final episode of Clannnad, as official announcements can be made about such matters right at the very end-credits of a KyoAni show.
haha that reminds me... i always find it so weird how they like advertise new series at the end of old ones... i was watching the end of Kanon 2006, i think, and i saw the announcement for Clannad and it completely ruined the mood and stuff of just finishing the series
but yes, lets wait for the announcements!
panzerfan
2007-11-19, 18:06
That was a really weird thing to have gone through, last episode of Kanon 2k6...
I remember how that I went from feeling sad about Kyonichi to having this 'this is not happening' over something that lasted for less than 1 minute. I was in tears for a totally different reason and the discussion on the Kanon discussion suddenly became 'so about CLANNAD'.
I imagine Haruhi 2 might have information tricking out right about now till Christmas. But this is now simply a matter of sooner or later... (as) time will tell.
lazyasian224
2007-11-19, 18:12
That was a really weird thing to have gone through, last episode of Kanon 2k6...
I remember how that I went from feeling sad about Kyonichi to having this 'this is not happening' over something that lasted for less than 1 minute. I was in tears for a totally different reason and the discussion on the Kanon discussion suddenly became 'so about CLANNAD'.
yep... same exact way i felt :D
does anyone know if there is a possiblitiy that kyoani might announce before clannad finishes, like in a TV ad or something? like have they ever done that before or do they just wait till the end of their current series?
Its is somewhat mind bending how it all goes down, was very entertaining. Might read the series again sometime soon, just itching for book 10 heh.
Aren't we all?
yep... same exact way i felt :D
does anyone know if there is a possiblitiy that kyoani might announce before clannad finishes, like in a TV ad or something? like have they ever done that before or do they just wait till the end of their current series?
Well i am not sure sure there will be such thing as anouncing Haruhi2 that way. I mean i didn't hear about a new clannad until the end of Kanon. So I think it will be the same for Haruhi.
westbluef
2007-11-21, 22:42
So how do you think will they announce the second season? :confused:
Any guesses?
Mine is they will announce the broadcast date in a very quick flash like they did in lucky star
(Kyoani always thinks outside of the box so I think we will be a bit suprised)
A black screen.... and then SOS Brigade will flash in a fraction of a second. Shortly after a release date. :)
A black screen.... and then SOS Brigade will flash in a fraction of a second. Shortly after a release date. :)
With suzumiya Haruhi saying something like : If you miss my show heads will roll.:)
Setsukyie
2007-11-25, 10:26
Maybe they'll do an announcement at the final episode of Clannad (just like in Kanon 2006)
or in a magazine...
Anyways..
I hope that the 2nd season will start in the 1st or 2nd quarter of 2008..
or sooner than that...
Takuto19
2007-11-25, 10:45
Hmm i think they'll announce at the end of Clannad too, hope it starts right after it around April, but i'm not getting my hopes up hehe.
panzerfan
2007-11-25, 21:23
If it is about the Dissociation of Suzumiya Haruhi, you'll see some people that's never been shown in the Haruhi universe giving an intro. Chances are though that it's not happening.
westbluef
2007-11-26, 05:41
So, Another stupid question before the second season's air date is announced...
If you have the TPDD would you actually use it to watch the second season or just watch Clannad?
HikariKaZe
2007-11-28, 18:15
I wonder when will KyoAni start the project.. They're currently bZ with Clannad desho?
kimchipride
2007-11-28, 23:17
I wonder when will KyoAni start the project.. They're currently bZ with Clannad desho?
They probably finished making Clannad or at least almost done and they're probably working on their next project.
lazyasian224
2007-11-29, 17:29
oo man.. Haruhi season 2 hopefully in april... code geass season 2 in april...
spring is lookin quite nice
As more animes are conceived by kyo ani, the more and more I fear for even the possibility of a second Haruhi.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-11-30, 00:12
As more animes are conceived by kyo ani, the more and more I fear for even the possibility of a second Haruhi.
They announced it, it's coming.
kimchipride
2007-11-30, 00:42
oo man.. Haruhi season 2 hopefully in april... code geass season 2 in april...
spring is lookin quite nice
Is Code Geass II really coming out in Spring or is it a speculation more or less reliable as Haruhi Season II coming out in April?
lazyasian224
2007-11-30, 18:12
As more animes are conceived by kyo ani, the more and more I fear for even the possibility of a second Haruhi.
i hope ur not saying what i think your saying... :D but A second season of Haruhi is bound to come... i'd go hide in a corner if i was you.
Is Code Geass II really coming out in Spring or is it a speculation more or less reliable as Haruhi Season II coming out in April?
ehhh dont really wanna get off topic but after a post a while ago on ANN, hopefully spring...
check out the Code Geass Spoilers and Speculation Thread here:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=39115&page=174
and heres my post about ANN's news thingy.. :D
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1259038&postcount=3428
Where.. is the announcement?
kimchipride
2007-12-02, 16:51
As more animes are conceived by kyo ani, the more and more I fear for even the possibility of a second Haruhi.
Don't worry about it. It has been announced KyoAni will work or is working on Haruhi S2. I doubt KyoAni would do any more of Key's works in a while.
relentlessflame
2007-12-02, 19:48
Maybe they'll do an announcement at the final episode of Clannad (just like in Kanon 2006)Well, they won't announce at the end of Clannad, because Haruhi is a Kadokawa anime, whereas Clannad is Key/TBS/Pony Canyon (they announced Clannad at the end of Kanon because they were being produced by the same sponsors). That being said, I imagine they'll confirm that it'll start airing in the spring within the next month or two.
As more animes are conceived by kyo ani, the more and more I fear for even the possibility of a second Haruhi.Besides what everyone else has said, it's not like Kadokawa would choose some other show over this, given that Haruhi is Kadokawa's top-selling show ever. Kyoto Animation doesn't "conceive" most of the series they work on anyway, they're animators for hire.
Where.. is the announcement?Assuming you mean for Haruhi, see the beginning of the thread.
kimchipride
2007-12-02, 20:23
Well, they won't announce at the end of Clannad, because Haruhi is a Kadokawa anime, whereas Clannad is Key/TBS/Pony Canyon (they announced Clannad at the end of Kanon because they were being produced by the same sponsors).
Sorry for being blunt, but I don't think this doesn't matter at all.
If it is right, I'd like proof, not from your inference.
relentlessflame
2007-12-03, 13:20
Sorry for being blunt, but I don't think this doesn't matter at all.
If it is right, I'd like proof, not from your inference.You want proof of what, exactly? Proof that they won't announce Haruhi at the end of Clannad? How exactly do you propose that I offer proof for an event that has yet to occur? How can it not be inference?
I'm telling you that Haruhi and Clannad are produced by entirely different companies, even though both are animated by Kyoto Animation. They're funded by competing publishers and aired on competing networks. What's the logic in running a trailer for the one at the end of the other ("Coming soon next month: go spend your money on someone's else's stuff!")? The logic of a tagged-on trailer (as opposed to just an advertisement) is to get the fans to buy more of your own stuff.
You can be blunt all you want, but what exactly do you want me to tell you? I'm not saying that Haruhi won't air in April -- I strongly suspect that it will. I just don't think they'll show a trailer at the end of Clannad, that's all. If they do show a trailer, it'll be for whatever Pony Canyon's next Kyoto Animation work will be (Little Busters? Something else?).
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-03, 14:36
You want proof of what, exactly? Proof that they won't announce Haruhi at the end of Clannad? How exactly do you propose that I offer proof for an event that has yet to occur? How can it not be inference?
I'm telling you that Haruhi and Clannad are produced by entirely different companies, even though both are animated by Kyoto Animation. They're funded by competing publishers and aired on competing networks. What's the logic in running a trailer for the one at the end of the other ("Coming soon next month: go spend your money on someone's else's stuff!")? The logic of a tagged-on trailer (as opposed to just an advertisement) is to get the fans to buy more of your own stuff.
You can be blunt all you want, but what exactly do you want me to tell you? I'm not saying that Haruhi won't air in April -- I strongly suspect that it will. I just don't think they'll show a trailer at the end of Clannad, that's all. If they do show a trailer, it'll be for whatever Pony Canyon's next Kyoto Animation work will be (Little Busters? Something else?).
Either Little Busters or FMP4. Planetarian's too short to make into a full series. Maybe an OVA...
I am personally hoping for an SnS remake, but...
Either Little Busters or FMP4. Planetarian's too short to make into a full series. Maybe an OVA...
I am personally hoping for an SnS remake, but...
Little Busters would be nice as an anime. :) But I'm personally hoping for them to do a third adaptation of One, this time not messing it up like all the other ones. We'll probably find out in March.
I have 2 guesses on Haruhi. One is that they will release it in April, just like the first season. The second is that they will release it on July 7th. Either way, I don't see them doing more than 14 episodes of it.
My prediction is 3 cours of Clannad going until June, and then one cours of Haruhi until September. This way Clannad can be correctly adapted, and Clannad can keep a comedy in the summer, as well as have it air on Tanabata, which would just be too cool! Also, it would probably be "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" then as episode 1, making it even cooler. :)
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-05, 18:31
Little Busters would be nice as an anime. :) But I'm personally hoping for them to do a third adaptation of One, this time not messing it up like all the other ones. We'll probably find out in March.
I have 2 guesses on Haruhi. One is that they will release it in April, just like the first season. The second is that they will release it on July 7th. Either way, I don't see them doing more than 14 episodes of it.
My prediction is 3 cours of Clannad going until June, and then one cours of Haruhi until September. This way Clannad can be correctly adapted, and Clannad can keep a comedy in the summer, as well as have it air on Tanabata, which would just be too cool! Also, it would probably be "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody" then as episode 1, making it even cooler. :)
Actually, CLANNAD is ending in March, and I can easily see them doing more than 14 episodes.
If they can keep CLANNAD at the same animation quality for 24 episodes, they can do the same with Haruhi.
Actually, CLANNAD is ending in March, and I can easily see them doing more than 14 episodes.
If they can keep CLANNAD at the same animation quality for 24 episodes, they can do the same with Haruhi.
No official confirmation means it is alright to dream. We just have that they only scheduled dates of 8 DVD releases. There may be more, unless Kyoto officially announces that there will only be 24 episodes/Clannad will end in March and have another cours after Haruhi.
To me, doing 24 episodes of Haruhi would just be fankill. If they did 24, then they would have everything from volumes 1-8 completely adapted. That would mean if they wanted a season 3, they'd need to pray that at least 3 more books are written before they adapt it.
If they did 14, then they would be able to get most stories in, leaving out volumes 7, 9, and 10. Then they could adapt those 3 stories into a 14 episode season, and it would be very satisfying.
I mean, I would love 24 episodes of Haruhi. I love it just as much as most fans (Save that I want Clannad to go on forever, even if it means delaying Haruhi). It just would be sort of pointless to do 24, since it'd kill future possibilities.
panzerfan
2007-12-06, 06:19
24 episodes to cover all the way up to Indignation? I think that would be doable, but it would exhaust the fanbase. It is much better to do Haruhi as a seasonal release. The plot of the Dissociation definitely would be a tight squeeze and I am against seeing the Haruhi experience being truncated, having read the novel series by individual volume.
Takuto19
2007-12-06, 14:48
I would like them to do a small anime of Planetarian after Clannnad, then onto Haruhi season 2, would be great, but i dought it will happen heh.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-06, 15:38
24 episodes to cover all the way up to Indignation? I think that would be doable, but it would exhaust the fanbase. It is much better to do Haruhi as a seasonal release. The plot of the Dissociation definitely would be a tight squeeze and I am against seeing the Haruhi experience being truncated, having read the novel series by individual volume.
One of the main complaints I've heard about he original series was that it was too short...
I personally don't think it would "exhaust" the fanbase if they animated everything up to Volume 8. I rather think a LOT of people would be angry if Haruhi 2 wasn't 24 episodes.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-12-06, 18:11
One of the main complaints I've heard about he original series was that it was too short...
I personally don't think it would "exhaust" the fanbase if they animated everything up to Volume 8. I rather think a LOT of people would be angry if Haruhi 2 wasn't 24 episodes.
Not really. I certainly won't.
It's all about quality over quantity. The only recent argument for making a KyoAni show longer was Clannad, and that was because the story was very long and there was next to no hope for sequels. Clannad fans wanted a longer series to fit in as much of the original stories as possible because they know there would never be a Clannad-2.
Now, if you assume there would never be a Haruhi-3, then I agree that it would be best if the second season be as long as possible. However, that is doubtfully going to be th case, so there shouldn't be any reason to rush Haruhi releases.
JustInn14
2007-12-07, 10:58
I haven't heard any-thing about the Next Season recently. I hope they don't screw it up. Any-One know about what it will bee about? SORRY, if this sounds like ANOTHER Trivial Question.
I haven't heard any-thing about the Next Season recently. I hope they don't screw it up. Any-One know about what it will bee about? SORRY, if this sounds like ANOTHER Trivial Question.
Well, if you want to spoil yourself before the season, read:
http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi:Volume3_Bamboo_Lea f_Rhapsody
Then:
http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Suzumiya_Haruhi:Volume4_Full_Text
That should be the main story of the second season, with short stories thrown in as self contained episodes too. I see those 2 links becoming a 6 parter, and then adaptations of 6 of the short stories (1 of them being a 2 parter), as well as an anime original episode.
Takuto19
2007-12-07, 14:52
Hmm i thought they would of done volume 2 as the main story for season 2, but i can see why they might not.
Hmm i thought they would of done volume 2 as the main story for season 2, but i can see why they might not.
The most common prediction I've heard is that they will do a 2 part episode on Volume 2. It's far too little material to make into an entire season, and if they tried it, they would probably lose their entire fanbase. It's just a lot of Koizumi Dialogues and various situations getting repeated over and over again. 2 was easily my least favorite of all the books, with 4 being my favorite.
In reality, they've only written 3 full Suzumiya Haruhi books in 1, 4, and 7. 9-10 will be the 4th one whenever the 10th is released.
I think book 2 was was the writer having a writer's block, and just trying to get something down for his audience.
Alesiopdv
2007-12-07, 23:07
Actually the ONLY way to understand a lot of the weird things of the video is reading this novel. The movie makes a lot of more sense when you realize everything actually happen, even the weird and crappy FX.
CrowKenobi
2007-12-08, 00:08
Besides, volume 2 explains how the cat talked and that should be covered somehow... :D
:cool:
But I'm personally hoping for them to do a third adaptation of One, this time not messing it up like all the other ones.
IMO, the KSS version is quite interesting. While the OVA may be worthless to those unfamiliar with the original story, it's a lush collage of themes, memories, and re-interpreted story concepts from ONE (experimentally presented. Contrary to what you might expect, the writers weren't trying to tell a story). I can certainly appreciate it more than OVAs that try to cram an entire story into two or three episodes.
At any rate, ONE isn't polished (writing is shoddy next to Kanon. As well, all story and character concepts were recycled and done better in later works) or popular enough to hold much value, so I doubt another adaptation is likely.
kimchipride
2007-12-08, 01:40
Code Geass Season 2 Confirmed for Spring 2008.
I would like HARUHI 2 to be Spring 2008 as well plz
Did anyone see this link?
http://www12.brinkster.com/stratoct/haruhitimetable.htm
Second (Theoretical)
1 Endless Eight
2 One Look Lover
3 Rhapsody
4 Evanescence I
5 Evanescence II
6 Evanescence III
7 Conspiracy I
8 Snowy Mountain (Part One)
9 Snowy Mountain (Part Two) / Cat
10 Melancholy Mikuru
11 Conspiracy II
12 Conspiracy III
13 Conspiracy IV
14 Haruhi Theater
Second (Chronological)(Theoretical)
1 Rhapsody
2 Endless Eight
3 Evanescence I
4 Evanescence II
5 Evanescence III
6 One Look Lover
7 Snowy Mountain (Part One)
8 Snowy Mountain (Part Two) / Cat
9 Conspiracy I
10 Melancholy Mikuru
11 Conspiracy II
12 Conspiracy III
13 Conspiracy IV
N/A Haruhi Theater
Besides, volume 2 explains how the cat talked and that should be covered somehow... :D
:cool:
We can leave even without that, it's not something that worth more than 2-3 minutes (surely not the whole adaptation of that **** of volume 2).
And for what I'm concerned I'd like to forget the existence of the novel from vol. 7 onward (with the only exception of editor in chief) and some useless short like "Melancholy of Asahina" or "where did the cat go?".
I believe in kyoani, the kyoani responsible for first season, but not much in Tanigawa (who seems to have lost grip on his character very quickly). BTW a second season centered on "shoshitsu" wold be fine, for now, probably on par with melancholy.
jayfoxpox
2007-12-08, 13:22
Yeh I think those mystery chapters are boring and feels more like fillers.
What I am really looking forward to is Nagato in season 2 for her smiles :O
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-08, 15:54
Did anyone see this link?
http://www12.brinkster.com/stratoct/haruhitimetable.htm
Second (Theoretical)
1 Endless Eight
2 One Look Lover
3 Rhapsody
4 Evanescence I
5 Evanescence II
6 Evanescence III
7 Conspiracy I
8 Snowy Mountain (Part One)
9 Snowy Mountain (Part Two) / Cat
10 Melancholy Mikuru
11 Conspiracy II
12 Conspiracy III
13 Conspiracy IV
14 Haruhi Theater
Second (Chronological)(Theoretical)
1 Rhapsody
2 Endless Eight
3 Evanescence I
4 Evanescence II
5 Evanescence III
6 One Look Lover
7 Snowy Mountain (Part One)
8 Snowy Mountain (Part Two) / Cat
9 Conspiracy I
10 Melancholy Mikuru
11 Conspiracy II
12 Conspiracy III
13 Conspiracy IV
N/A Haruhi Theater
That wouldn't be too bad, then.
I DO want to see Editor-In-Chief and/or Wandering Shadow animated, though...
And you think four episodes would be enough for Volume 7? It's a pretty big story...
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-08, 15:57
We can leave even without that, it's not something that worth more than 2-3 minutes (surely not the whole adaptation of that **** of volume 2).
And for what I'm concerned I'd like to forget the existence of the novel from vol. 7 onward (with the only exception of editor in chief) and some useless short like "Melancholy of Asahina" or "where did the cat go?".
I beleive in kyoani, the kyoani responsible for first seaso, but not much in Tanigawa (who seems to have lost grip on his character very quickly). BTW a second season centered on "shoshitsu" wold be fine, for now, probably on par with melancholy.
Don't bash the author, please. He's a genius and Volume 10 should prove that when it actually comes out.
And The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru is not useless at all, it's practically required for understanding Volume 7.
Though I will agree that Where Did the Cat Go? is kind of useless, but...
I searched long and hard for answers to why people don't get the show. One of my later findings led to SQ, Sentience Quotient, yep new factor. The rate at which your brain processes info.
One can have high IQ but low SQ at the same time.
Haruhi requires more SQ than IQ, if you're slow you don't get much, probably not past episode 1.
Did anyone see this link?
http://www12.brinkster.com/stratoct/haruhitimetable.htm
Second (Theoretical)
1 Endless Eight
2 One Look Lover
3 Rhapsody
4 Evanescence I
5 Evanescence II
6 Evanescence III
7 Conspiracy I
8 Snowy Mountain (Part One)
9 Snowy Mountain (Part Two) / Cat
10 Melancholy Mikuru
11 Conspiracy II
12 Conspiracy III
13 Conspiracy IV
14 Haruhi Theater
Second (Chronological)(Theoretical)
1 Rhapsody
2 Endless Eight
3 Evanescence I
4 Evanescence II
5 Evanescence III
6 One Look Lover
7 Snowy Mountain (Part One)
8 Snowy Mountain (Part Two) / Cat
9 Conspiracy I
10 Melancholy Mikuru
11 Conspiracy II
12 Conspiracy III
13 Conspiracy IV
N/A Haruhi Theater
I think trying to adapt book 7 in the 2nd season would be a terrible mistake. Here are my prediction (I'm using the Baka-Tsuki translations of titles):
Season II
1. Sighs (Part I)
2. Disappearance (Part I - Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody)
3. Disappearance (Part II)
4. Sighs (Part II)
5. Disappearance (Part III)
6. Editor in Chief I
7. Endless Eight
8. Editor in Chief II
9. Anime Original Episode
10. Disappearance (Part IV)
11. Snow Mountain Syndrome
12. Charmed at first sight LOVER
13. Disappearance (Part V)
14. Disappearance (Part VI)
Season III
1. Melencholy of Asahina Mikuru
2-11. Intrigues
12. Wandering Shadow
13-18 Dissociation
19-24 Surprise
This would be a full adaptation that would cover everything if 10 is the last novel in the series. My guess is that a theoretical season III would be chronological, just like in the books.
Don't bash the author, please. He's a genius and Volume 10 should prove that when it actually comes out.
Yeah right, we'll see... but it's not that I'm bashing him.
And The Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru is not useless at all, it's practically required for understanding Volume 7.
It's required of course but it's "worthy"? I don't think so, same for the whole volume 7 which is the longer book of the series but for the most part, inconsistent. To much focused on Asahina (with Kyon constantly lost some compliment for her... ) a character who doesn't seem to shine no matter how much Tanigawa work on her. She is fine as a mascot character but that's all.
And I have to admit that I'm not enjoying very much all this time travel stuff... seems just a complicated (but not really "complex") way to stretch the story.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-08, 19:29
It's required of course but it's "worthy"? I don't think so, same for the whole volume 7 which is the longer book of the series but for the most part, inconsistent. To much focused on Asahina (with Kyon constantly lost some compliment for her... ) a character who doesn't seem to shine no matter how much Tanigawa work on her. She is fine as a mascot character but that's all.
And I have to admit that I'm not enjoying very much all this time travel stuff... seems just a complicated (but not really "complex") way to stretch the story.
Volume 7 seemed to be more a vehicle to introduce the concept of the opposing forces first hinted at in Snow Mountain Syndrome, and further built upon in Volume 9.
Again, Volume 10 will finish that particular story arc.
Mikuru is SUPPOSED to be a flat character... that's kind of the point. Where I thought Volume 7 shined was the further characterization of Tsuruya, the aforementioned opposition, and, of course, how stressed Kyon became with the whole time travel situation.
Also, I'm probably wrong, but you seem to be forgetting that, unlike many studios, KyoAni adapts its work relatively faithfully. We'll be seeing Volume 7 in anime form eventually whether you think it's "worthy" or not.
Mikuru is SUPPOSED to be a flat character...
Oh well, after all that reiteration I GET very well the point. I enjoyed it? No!
And Trusuruya development (and don't forget Koizumi) was just a small part of the thing, and not so consistent.
Also, I'm probably wrong, but you seem to be forgetting that, unlike many studios, KyoAni adapts its work relatively faithfully. We'll be seeing Volume 7 in anime form eventually whether you think it's "worthy" or not.
I don't really get your point here, and I'm not forgetting anything: that's why I'd be fine with a second season centered on Shoshitsu.
I'm also aware that is KyoAni work who put the "Magic" on the subject with many small, but relevant things. I don't expect they'll change the subject, not in a considerable way... but I would be very happy in the eventuality.
Yeah right, we'll see... but it's not that I'm bashing him.
It's required of course but it's "worthy"? I don't think so, same for the whole volume 7 which is the longer book of the series but for the most part, inconsistent. To much focused on Asahina (with Kyon constantly lost some compliment for her... ) a character who doesn't seem to shine no matter how much Tanigawa work on her. She is fine as a mascot character but that's all.
And I have to admit that I'm not enjoying very much all this time travel stuff... seems just a complicated (but not really "complex") way to stretch the story.
In all honesty, most charecters in the story are fairly flat. Yuki is the only who has really changed from the beginning. Kyon is still the realist he was, and Suzumiya is still insane. But she has also gained a bit of maturity.
Still doesn't mean it wasn't an interesting storyline. It was enjoyable, and I would rank it 3rd on my list (Disappearence, then Melancholy, then Intrigures).
Alesiopdv
2007-12-09, 23:26
I agree with CA, you people seem to read the books but not actually READ them. Vol 2 The Sighs is important not only to understand the video but also shows how Haruhi actually alters the real sword, something that the anime doesnt show, its also good in terms of character development, specially if the second season puts this chapter after Snow Mountain Syndrome, just compare the Haruhi of them with now, she was willing of using and abusing her friends and she doesnt seem to care about anybody besides her, this has been slowly changing in the novels.
Where Did the Cat Go? its agian a chapter about character development, mostly focused in showing how Kyon realises that he likes being in the SOS Dan, also its a great chance for Tsuruya to shine.
And finally the Melancholy of Mikuru proves she is not just a pretty face, she is actually somebody who is not comfortable, almost willing to give up and leave and she is just beinjg obligated to be there in the SOS Dan, besides dropping some hints it helps on MIkuru growth.
The chapter Im waiting for is the Drama CD, it helps to understand what happen between the end of the anime and Disappearance.
Oh and I cant wait for Mikuru to yell: Kyon! I am your Daugther!! (Imperial march!!!)
Mikuru is SUPPOSED to be a flat character...
She is a what? A FLAT character? You serious? She must be coup LL!
Really the only flat one is Kyon Sister.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-10, 01:23
She is a what? A FLAT character? You serious? She must be coup LL!
Really the only flat one is Kyon Sister.
"Flat" in this sense meaning a character with few defining character traits. Mikuru, for example, isn't really anything more than "cute" and "easily terrified".
A "round" character, however, is a character with many defining character traits.
Flat characters can become round characters through character development, and characters that go through said development are said to be "dynamic" characters. Those that do not (Mikuru again, for the most part) are said to be "static" characters.
The irony behind female characters with large busts is that they are almost always "flat" characters.
Sorry, I don't mean to seem slow yet. But is there anymore news on season 2 of Haruhi? o__O;
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-11, 13:31
Sorry, I don't mean to seem slow yet. But is there anymore news on season 2 of Haruhi? o__O;
Nope. Not that I know of.
Sorry, I don't mean to seem slow yet. But is there anymore news on season 2 of Haruhi? o__O;
Just that it's going to exist. I think Kyoto is intentionally keeping us all in the dark, since they have yet to release an official episode count of Clannad, or a release date of Haruhi. We'll probably find out about it in either February or June, depending on how long Clannad runs.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-11, 17:28
Just that it's going to exist. I think Kyoto is intentionally keeping us all in the dark, since they have yet to release an official episode count of Clannad, or a release date of Haruhi. We'll probably find out about it in either February or June, depending on how long Clannad runs.
Anime News Network has CLANNAD's official episode count here:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7809
According to Wikipedia, the official announcement is on this page.
http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/01news/news.html
Not that I can read Japanese, but...
Anime News Network has CLANNAD's official episode count here:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=7809
According to Wikipedia, the official announcement is on this page.
http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/01news/news.html
Not that I can read Japanese, but...
I think I actually was the one to make that edit in the Wikipedia article... Not sure.
The reference to the website is that it has 8 DVD release dates listed, and each has 3 episodes. It is still uncertain whether it will ONLY have 8, or whether they just listed to first 8. ANN probably used this source as well.
The official episode count has yet to be confirmed. That is the only clue we have, which is that this season will be at least 24 episodes. I don't know whether they are planning to split it into two seasons, or whether they are planning on extending it, or whether they are planning on doing the unspeakable crime of cutting out a few story arcs/severely shortening them.
relentlessflame
2007-12-11, 22:17
The reference to the website is that it has 8 DVD release dates listed, and each has 3 episodes. It is still uncertain whether it will ONLY have 8, or whether they just listed to first 8. ANN probably used this source as well.
The official episode count has yet to be confirmed.No, the official website doesn't merely have "8 dates listed", it's the announcement of the official "DVD Series Release Schedule" for the show. This is the entire and complete solicitation. Whether or not they might do an OVA or a "Second Season" is anyone's guess, but this "run" of Clannad will definitely end at the end of March and consist of only 8 DVDs. It is the official confirmation; you won't get any other confirmation until they announce what's going to air in April...
...which is I believe wil be Haruhi. Let's please focus on this aspect in this thread...
No, the official website doesn't merely have "8 dates listed", it's the announcement of the official "DVD Series Release Schedule" for the show. This is the entire and complete solicitation. Whether or not they might do an OVA or a "Second Season" is anyone's guess, but this "run" of Clannad will definitely end at the end of March and consist of only 8 DVDs. It is the official confirmation; you won't get any other confirmation until they announce what's going to air in April...
...which is I believe wil be Haruhi. Let's please focus on this aspect in this thread...
I say this in all seriousness, that if you were actually dead and buried in a grave, all these "queries about a series' length" would have generated a perpetual source of energy from all the spinning...
Narf.
panzerfan
2007-12-13, 11:28
Urr. I have posted on the CLANNAD general discussion about how that CLANNAD will not air for 2 weeks and will resume on the week of the 10th January. CLANNAD isn't going to be automatically translate into 'yes Haruhi 2 in Christmas' from the looks of it.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-13, 13:29
Urr. I have posted on the CLANNAD general discussion about how that CLANNAD will not air for 2 weeks and will resume on the week of the 10th January. CLANNAD isn't going to be automatically translate into 'yes Haruhi 2 in Christmas' from the looks of it.
Weren't we expecting it in April?
westbluef
2007-12-15, 05:59
Hey, here's something to talk about:heh::
Maybe KyoAni has already given us "clues" on what chapters they will adopt
cause they sometimes give previews on what happens or what will happen in the story on the songs in the anime (examples of this is FMP),
and so if I go by this theory I can say that Book 2 will be in the anime as well as book 4(thats obvious anyway:heh:)
Soo hopefully there will be one after Clannad is over for a second season of Suzumiya Haruhi? cuz cuz i need something to live off of
Haruhi starts in April after Clannad? if so, when does the director of Haruhi prepare for the second season? He is now directing Clannad. My guess is, the second season starts in fall.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-17, 12:51
Haruhi starts in April after Clannad? if so, when does the director of Haruhi prepare for the second season? He is now directing Clannad. My guess is, the second season starts in fall.
No, because then everyone would kill him.
And besides, aren't most animation studios like 4 weeks ahead of schedule anyway?
panzerfan
2007-12-17, 14:39
http://www.haruhi.tv/bungei.html
Rejoice. Haruhi season 2 is on and it's Disappearance for sure.
http://www.haruhi.tv/xterm.html and this put the nails on the coffin.
http://www.haruhi.tv/bungei.html
Rejoice. Haruhi season 2 is on and it's Disappearance for sure.
http://www.haruhi.tv/xterm.html and this put the nails on the coffin.
What do they say? Especially the second one, since I cannot get it into google translate for a vague idea...
panzerfan
2007-12-17, 15:05
YUKI.N > If you are reading this, I am probably no longer myself.
YUKI.N > When this message appears, it means that you, me, Suzumiya Haruhi,
Asahina Mikuru and Koizumi Itsuki have all been gathered here.
YUKI.N > This is the key. You have found the answer.
YUKI.N > This is the Emergency Escape Program. To activate it, hit the "Enter" key, otherwise,
hit any other key. Once activated, you will be given a chance to repair the space-time continuum.
However, neither success nor your safe return can be guaranteed.
YUKI.N > This program can only be executed once. Once it is executed, it will be deactivated.
Should you choose not to activate it, it will also be deactivated. Are you ready?
Oh, so it's from disappearence. I thought it was an announcement of sorts.
Activated the program, and it led me to this.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/th_071218.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/071218.jpg)
Activated the program, and it led me to this.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/th_071218.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/071218.jpg)
Do you know what that says?
panzerfan
2007-12-17, 15:28
Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi season 2 terminated.
Correction.
Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi, new anime production set!
IMO, the big news is that Yasuhiro Takemoto has been appointed as director.
panzerfan
2007-12-17, 15:42
Ishihara handled season 1. Giving Takemoto season 2 might be an interesting thing to look at. Ishihara is currently knee-deep in CLANNAD...
Eviltape
2007-12-17, 16:39
Lordy lord, I knew reading the novels was worth it.
To Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody, and beyond!
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-17, 16:45
This is going to rock.
Also, I sincerely hope that it's longer this time...
CrowKenobi
2007-12-17, 19:59
Activated the program, and it led me to this.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/th_071218.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/071218.jpg)
It's great to have a confirmed second season plot, but what concerns me is the copyright dates at the bottom: 2007, 2008, 2009!
:cool:
Matt Soulblade
2007-12-17, 20:32
Finally! I cant wait for Disappearance. I want to see the stab animated :D.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-17, 20:38
Finally! I cant wait for Disappearance. I want to see the stab animated :D.
Blood'll probably be black, though.
Stupid new regulations.
It's great to have a confirmed second season plot, but what concerns me is the copyright dates at the bottom: 2007, 2008, 2009!
:cool:
Yeah! that's what shoked me! Something big in the air? :D (OVAs, another series planned or... maybe a movie?)
EDIT:
...and 2007? An unexpected Christmas present?
Blood'll probably be black, though.
Stupid new regulations.
Maybe not... If you saw Higurashi, the blood on Irie's coat isn't black, unless it's in a darker light. And the blood from Takano's past was also red. They may keep it red, since Kyoto is picky on details like that.
Kaisos Erranon
2007-12-17, 21:14
Maybe not... If you saw Higurashi, the blood on Irie's coat isn't black, unless it's in a darker light. And the blood from Takano's past was also red. They may keep it red, since Kyoto is picky on details like that.
I certainly hope so.
panzerfan
2007-12-17, 21:42
By the way, the very date in Japan is the 18th December. Refer to the Haruhi novel volume 4 for the reason of why this day is significant.
By the way, the very date in Japan is the 18th December. Refer to the Haruhi novel volume 4 for the reason of why this day is significant.
Thus it would be advantageous that something would be released on tomorrow (Dec 18th). Whether its just advertising or something larger, one would expect something to take notice of.
lazyasian224
2007-12-17, 23:54
Thus it would be advantageous that something would be released on tomorrow (Dec 18th). Whether its just advertising or something larger, one would expect something to take notice of.
umm... wasnt the announcement what was released?
gotta love the way they released it, but anyone know how much of an effect a different project leader person... (forgot the name of the legit title of the person) will have on the series? havent watched FMP yet so i dunno... :D
Kaioshin Sama
2007-12-18, 00:03
More of those overly complicated promotions. (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2007-12-17/new-haruhi-suzumiya-anime-series-details-revealed)
I have to wonder what good a hidden advertising message is anyway. What if somebody doesn't figure out the password? What good does that do? Anyway, far be it from me to question the wisdom of this ad campaign, but it seems a little random for something that people are probably going to watch anyway.
I also wouldn't trust that 2009 date to save my life. By now I take every announcement on this new season with a grain of salt since they like goofing around with this ad campaign. It's probably just some goofy explanation like a Haruhi Wizard did it.:heh:
mystic210
2007-12-18, 01:26
cannot wait for season 2 hope its just as good as the first one ^ ^
Reckoner
2007-12-18, 02:11
Season 2 alas, time to rejoice and watch one of my favorite stories in the anime world. If it is adapted just as well as season 1, its going to be even better than season 1. The novels sure are great...
Kaioshin Sama
2007-12-18, 02:40
Season 2 alas, time to rejoice and watch one of my favorite stories in the anime world. If it is adapted just as well as season 1, its going to be even better than season 1. The novels sure are great...
Yes, they can be great. Key word can. Some parts are better than others in my eyes.
I actually have a bit of an issue with how the last chapter of this seasons source arc plays out in the novel. We'll have to see if it turns out better when it's animated. It's so solid right up until that point too.......:(
My main frustration with how the novels play out is how almost all the character development from each arc seems to go to waste as a result of a writing decision to render it moot, just so that Kyon can remain Haruhi's foil for the next novel. It seems sometimes like the author is renewing his options with each successive novel instead of just continuing to build on what he's already started. Some of the character relationships don't seem to progress beyond the very first introductions they are given back in Volume 1, and for someone like me who is big on stories with a complex web of character relationships and plot points, it can be very frustrating to see the potential for it in the Haruhi novels right in front of my eyes and watch it be squandered. I really don't want to see this carry over to the second season. As long as they can get around that then this should be an enjoyable season.
Also thankfully this arc is a lot less comedic than some of the other ones. That doesn't mean there isn't potential for comedic situations, but just not so much that they might get carried away with the slapstick like last season.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-12-18, 03:12
Activated the program, and it led me to this.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/th_071218.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/071218.jpg)
!!!:eyespin:!!!
That image! It's Yuki at the school-gates! She's got her hand up! And it's at night!
I know what that means!!!:eyespin:
(Those who haven't read the novels would be confused...:heh:)
As for Kaioshin_Sama's comments...
From what can understand, the author focus character development within specific story arcs. After the first book, when he had to extend the universe, the author had to rewrite the entire cast so that they can work as a team. Haruhi mellowed out in book 2, as shown in ep 12 of anime. Yuki got her big break in the next arc. Itsuki got a minor moment in Snow Mountain, when he made clear where his allegiance lies. And Mikuru's world was broadened after that, with detailes ironed out about Tsuruya along with it.
All this was merely added so when the real opponents appear, that they will have a fighting chance.
Keep in mind that everything that happened so far had been little-over a year long story-wise. People can't change too much in that time period unless something truly drastic occurred. The fact that everything is from Kyon's POV means in order to develop a character, you would need Kyon to follow him/her through out a story. That's why one character is developed per arc, there is no "meanwhile, Haruhi was in a separate adventure while Kyon is timetravelling".
Characters without Kyon present as an observer can't grow or develop, it is a strange curse unavoidable for first-person storytelling.
westbluef
2007-12-18, 03:13
I suspected that they'd pull something like this after the 7/7/7 (I should have been more noisy about it though.)
I always wanted to see how Yuki executed the program for rewrite
Yay!, for Yuki
HurricaneHige
2007-12-18, 14:50
wat does this mean?
TVA「涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱」二期、中止。もとい「涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱」新アニメーション化、決定！
All i can translate is the first sentence: Suzumiya Haruhi Second Season Cancelled, I don't understand the second sentence :O
panzerfan
2007-12-18, 15:24
I am never too sure as to why some people have a love for self-inflicted punishment while advertising about the scars from them...
Frankly, kyon's perspective is the 'take it or leave it'. For him to change his perception and not 'trying' to understand some of the personalities within his world is something that I did not find odd at all.
NoSanninWa
2007-12-18, 15:38
That first sentence can be very misleading if you are referring to this image:
http://a.imagehost.org/t/0085/haruhireschedule.jpg (http://a.imagehost.org/view/0085/haruhireschedule.jpg)
Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi season 2 terminated.
Correction.
Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi, new anime production set!
By the way, you should have posted this question in the thread for The Second Season of Haruhi Suzumiya (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1302359#post1302359).
bullrogg
2007-12-18, 16:35
Activated the program, and it led me to this.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/th_071218.jpg (http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c1/Mech5/071218.jpg)
need a textless version of this pic...
HurricaneHige
2007-12-18, 17:50
It was on the Moonphase page when i read about Zero S3, sry about posting it here :p
After roaming around a lot and trying to find answers on season 2, it all came up as false. No season 2 or it has been cancel. Rather their doing a rewrite of the 1st season, changing it completely.
Haruhi goes missing from the world and is replaced by Yoko. No one notices but Kyon. Everyone in the world is different, no aliens, esper, time traveler, and his old friends don't know him. Kyon is left with a clue, a bookmaker and has to try to find his way back to his world.
Or so that's what I've read, could be wrong or half right. I mean it could be season 2, but it just doesn't fit with what season 1 implanted. Oh well, whatever goes goes. I'm looking forward to it, Haruhi is great!
http://www.darkmirage.com/2007/12/18/suzumiya-haruhi-no-shoushitsu/
After roaming around a lot and trying to find answers on season 2, it all came up as false. No season 2 or it has been cancel. Rather their doing a rewrite of the 1st season, changing it completely.
Haruhi goes missing from the world and is replaced by Yoko. No one notices but Kyon. Everyone in the world is different, no aliens, esper, time traveler, and his old friends don't know him. Kyon is left with a clue, a bookmaker and has to try to find his way back to his world.
Or so that's what I've read, could be wrong or half right. I mean it could be season 2, but it just doesn't fit with what season 1 implanted. Oh well, whatever goes goes. I'm looking forward to it, Haruhi is great!
http://www.darkmirage.com/2007/12/18/suzumiya-haruhi-no-shoushitsu/
That's the plot of book 4. It's not a rewrite at all, it's the story.
Reckoner
2007-12-18, 18:02
My main frustration with how the novels play out is how almost all the character development from each arc seems to go to waste as a result of a writing decision to render it moot, just so that Kyon can remain Haruhi's foil for the next novel. It seems sometimes like the author is renewing his options with each successive novel instead of just continuing to build on what he's already started. Some of the character relationships don't seem to progress beyond the very first introductions they are given back in Volume 1, and for someone like me who is big on stories with a complex web of character relationships and plot points, it can be very frustrating to see the potential for it in the Haruhi novels right in front of my eyes and watch it be squandered. I really don't want to see this carry over to the second season. As long as they can get around that then this should be an enjoyable season.
Also thankfully this arc is a lot less comedic than some of the other ones. That doesn't mean there isn't potential for comedic situations, but just not so much that they might get carried away with the slapstick like last season.
I really did not get the impression from the novels that there wasn't real character development. You could argue that emotionally the characters of Mikuru and Itsuki haven't really changed, but Yuki and Haruhi have had momentous changes. Haruhi has "NEVER" been this mellow in the novels as she is now recently. Yuki and Mikuru, although emotionally still the same, has been expanded upon in great heaps with all the time traveling business. The only one that hasn't really been developed in my opinion is Itsuki.
Ah yes, it can be and it shall be great or heads will roll.
blitz1/2
2007-12-18, 18:18
wat does this mean?
TVA「涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱」二期、中止。もとい「涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱」新アニメーション化、決定！
All i can translate is the first sentence: Suzumiya Haruhi Second Season Cancelled, I don't understand the second sentence :O
If Haruhi season 2 was cancelled, i would be having a party. So a new production set is a disappointment. -_-
!!!:eyespin:!!!
Keep in mind that everything that happened so far had been little-over a year long story-wise. People can't change too much in that time period unless something truly drastic occurred. The fact that everything is from Kyon's POV means in order to develop a character, you would need Kyon to follow him/her through out a story. That's why one character is developed per arc, there is no "meanwhile, Haruhi was in a separate adventure while Kyon is timetravelling".
Characters without Kyon present as an observer can't grow or develop, it is a strange curse unavoidable for first-person storytelling.
So if Kyon doesn't see it, does it exist? It's clearly making a parallel using Koizumi's explaination of the Anthropic Principle. Its tidbits like this that I enjoy. :)
I really did not get the impression from the novels that there wasn't real character development. You could argue that emotionally the characters of Mikuru and Itsuki haven't really changed, but Yuki and Haruhi have had momentous changes. Haruhi has "NEVER" been this mellow in the novels as she is now recently. Yuki and Mikuru, although emotionally still the same, has been expanded upon in great heaps with all the time traveling business. The only one that hasn't really been developed in my opinion is Itsuki.
Ah yes, it can be and it shall be great or heads will roll.
I think the author intended to have 5 main storylines. The first one was Melancholy, which focused of Haruhi. The second one, Sighs, failed, which was supposed to develop Itsuki. The third one, Disappearence, developed Nagato. The fourth one, book 7, developed Mikuru. And the 5th set, 9-10, is supposed to develop Kyon. That's probably why Itsuki and Kyon still seem underdeveloped, and why Haruhi has taken a backseat to the other characters.
Now, I unfortunately do not think there are any other important dates in the Haruhi chronology until Tanabata, unless we hear something in like 2 days.
Vallen Chaos Valiant
2007-12-18, 21:27
So if Kyon doesn't see it, does it exist? It's clearly making a parallel using Koizumi's explaination of the Anthropic Principle. Its tidbits like this that I enjoy. :)
You are absolutely right, of course.:D
It is generally considered bad storytelling to have major events occurring off-screen without the audience knowing about it. So they don't occur off screen; Kyon needs to be present at each and every event of relevance.
Now, since the SOS-dan all live separately from one another, and is not all in the same classroom, it is inevitable that they spend most of their time apart except during SOS-dan activities. And any character who Kyon did not see, go into time-freeze stasis. Once in a while something happens without Kyon present, but it is alway explain to him after the fact in detail by somebody.
Reckoner
2007-12-18, 23:34
I think the author intended to have 5 main storylines. The first one was Melancholy, which focused of Haruhi. The second one, Sighs, failed, which was supposed to develop Itsuki. The third one, Disappearence, developed Nagato. The fourth one, book 7, developed Mikuru. And the 5th set, 9-10, is supposed to develop Kyon. That's probably why Itsuki and Kyon still seem underdeveloped, and why Haruhi has taken a backseat to the other characters.
That explanation makes sense, but if volume 2 truly intended to do that... That is epic fail.
A couple things I am expecting from this season is a better portrayal of Tsuruya (She is often compared to Haruhi) because she sounds different in the novels to me than in the anime and I want a better capture of the character's personalities. The second season should really be a lot more focused on the characters' personalities and thoughts rather than the comedic tidbits in my opinion as I find that as one of the most enjoyable parts of the novels themselves. I wonder how they'll do the John Smith scene in Rhapsody...
panzerfan
2007-12-18, 23:41
Personally, I think Tsuruya takes off by volume 5 and beyond instead of at the point of volume 4. With the second season, I think I would only hope for a good rendition to the plot of Disappearance. Volume 2 looks to me as the true forming of the SOS Brigade in retrospect.
http://www.haruhi.tv/yuki_pic.html
http://www.haruhi.tv/
This is a publicity stunt. From what I heard, it's saying season 2 is canceled (likely because Haruhi has gone missing). Instead we will get the Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi (as the de facto season 2, duh). Correct me if I am wrong.
panzerfan
2007-12-19, 03:15
You got it. A cake for you...
But going back on topic. Moon Phase speculates that there will be 2 seasons worth of animated Haruhi instead of the pessimistic assumption that Haruhi will be aired close to 2009.
You got it. A cake for you...
But going back on topic. Moon Phase speculates that there will be 2 seasons worth of animated Haruhi instead of the pessimistic assumption that Haruhi will be aired close to 2009.
Which would mean this season would be 14 episodes long, as there is not enough material to cover two 24 episode seasons.
Plus, with these advertisements, it's all about Disappearance, so that would probably mean no adaptation of book 7, meaning 14 episodes, not 24.
If they are planning a summer '09 release as well, it'd be really cool.
Unless they are planning to start in July, and go all the way until March '09? I kind of doubt that, especially since they changed directors. They would want the same one, but he's all tied up with Clannad right now, and won't be able to do Haruhi for a release almost immediately after.
So, I'm thinking of an April '08 release, 14 episodes, followed by an April '09 release, somewhere in the lines of 14-24 episodes.
deffusse
2007-12-19, 15:33
I think, summer 08 is more than realistic date..... If there are going to be 2x 14, or 24-26... but split into two mini seasons, they can reach it. And the airing in summer 08 and fall 09 will be great. But those are only a speculations......;)
Flameneo
2007-12-19, 21:22
http://www.haruhi.tv/xterm.html
[EDIT] Just found out it was part of the thing that someone earlier had posted.
I just finished reading volume 4 so I caught on to the stunt as soon as I heard of it.
siber222000
2007-12-20, 00:15
i can't wait for 2nd season any longer!!! +_+.. today i just watched 1st season all over again and i gotta admit it's still great to watch... and new novel volume came out! too bad i can't read japanese T_T... but yeah, can't wait!
i can't wait for 2nd season any longer!!! +_+.. today i just watched 1st season all over again and i gotta admit it's still great to watch... and new novel volume came out! too bad i can't read japanese T_T... but yeah, can't wait!
Eh? 10 was released? *suspicious brow*
khryoleoz
2007-12-20, 11:44
Stories I've gotta have this season are Bamboo Leaf, Endless Eight, Snow Mountain Syndrome, and Where Did The Cat Go.
panzerfan
2007-12-20, 17:20
I am almost positive that if KyoAni does Endless Eight and the other segments, detractors will surely think of it as Higukai. Having said that, I personally would like to see them animated, although I've expressed in the past that I would rather see volume 4 in depth than a compressed representation of all of these pieces.
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