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[Adr 00]

WOOT first post,

Hope for some real character development from Erio.

[Kha]

Slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow...

I meant the postrate. Gosh where is everybody? Just wanna say that looks like things ARE gonna get serious, about time too, but from what I know, the Ship and the King might well be much closer to home...

[Nightengale]

Slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow...

I meant the postrate. Gosh where is everybody? Just wanna say that looks like things ARE gonna get serious, about time too, but from what I know, the Ship and the King might well be much closer to home...

And those privy to spoilers really shouldn't be throwing hints around either. It's not good for the uninformed's health. :heh:

That being said, I'm not too excited about this, bar more villain exposition and more sub-plot revelation (( because...they obviously won't give us the meat of the plot, when it's 80% almost guaranteed to the be the deep shit of the prophecy. )). Especially after Gurren Lagann's faptastic Episode 15, I'm high as hell. :p

[Chaos2Frozen]

And those privy to spoilers really shouldn't be throwing hints around either. It's not good for the uninformed's health. :heh:

That being said, I'm not too excited about this, bar more villain exposition and more sub-plot revelation (( because...they obviously won't give us the meat of the plot, when it's 80% almost guaranteed to the be the deep shit of the prophecy. )). Especially after Gurren Lagann's faptastic Episode 15, I'm high as hell. :p

Ah, but remember we've been down this road before. An episode that nobody looks forward to turns the hottest topic all week? :p

I'm still betting on whether the new Op presents itself... going back to sleep, brb in 2 hours.

[FlareKnight]

Let's hope it works out like before. No one having any real high expectations of this episode. Then something massive goes down that sparks a violent debate causing the thread to hit a high point. Maybe not expecting things to go like that but something to happen that'll be worthwhile.

[aers]

No new OP, new ED though. I like it better than the old one.

Not saying any more, I'll let the usual suspects do the summary >_>

[Nightengale]

Facts in, Sentoukijin =/= Android....I think.

Unless I heard wrong, Ginga clearly said that it was mechanizations of people to improve their war combat ability/potential.

No need to worry later, fappers...I think. :p

And the nano guy's gonna have a field day with this. Mariel (sp?) from A's join the techs!

[Key Board]

There is a considerable likelihood of Vivio being the king mentioned in the prophecies

[Deathkillz]

bleh nico wont allow me to log in today >.< i guess ill have to chew my legs off and wait for someone else to do a summary :/

[Chaos2Frozen]

bleh nico wont allow me to log in today >.< i guess ill have to chew my legs off and wait for someone else to do a summary :/

That would be a problem :heh:

[Keroko]

That would be a problem :heh:

I'll see what I can piece together. I won't be able to translate any heavy conversation, though.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'll see what I can piece together. I won't be able to translate any heavy conversation, though.

It would have to do I guess :heh:

Thanks :)

P.S - How's the new ending? Any surprising images?

[Nightengale]

- Starts off with Ginga and A's tech girl temporarily joining Riot 6. And training moves on to Ginga vs Subaru.

- Pretty cool Super Robotish fight (( what's with them enjoying it etc )), pretty evenly matched, but Ginga's better.

- Mock battle with the Rookies vs the Aces...We don't get to see it though, though Ginga's expression at learning what kind of training they go through? Priceless.

- Eww, Zafira. Vivio wiped her face with a cloth he grabbed with his mouth. Can't you have the decency to at least turn human ONCE!? And mute...AGAIN.

- Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama scene for the NFers. I nearly wanted to cough out when Nanoha pulled the "you can do it" cliche for the "fall when running cliche", but Fate saved the day since Vivio couldn't stand.

- Mariel going ohh... N and F's kid...EH!!?!?!?!?!?!?

- Rein's form in birth is the same as it is now, though her mentality back then was like a child's. And Erio/Caro scene too.

- Boring Regius/etc talk...Apparently there's "SOMETHING" which is protecting...whatever. I'll leave it to Thisguy.

- IS THAT CLIENT!?!?!?!? Typical SEELE EVA style screens... with TSAB Insignia and Numbers on it... I couldn't hear what they were saying though, so it may not be Client.

- More Numbers introduced. Wendy, etc etc etc. Uno is creepy. And apparently they can replace/upgrade their bodies or something, with the typical Terminator-Arm sound effect thingy. 0_0

- Jail has... at least 50 to 100 RELICS!?!?!?!?! And I dunno...a hundred Type IIs? And damn, his coolness meter fluctuates now with that psycho MAD SCIENTIST LAUGH! Whether or not good or bad...well that depends.

- Apparently this "KING" is important to the Numbers....

- More foreshadowing of an upcoming WTF eventual crisis... The Aces aren't TOO worried, and the rookies are getting their Lvl 3 Limits off the day after this episode too.

- 1st part of 2 parter next week... I expect shit to hit the fans now, after 3 low-key episodes.

[Key Board]

Regius and his faction has something called an Einheriar which they believe will be their ace card against all the evils in the world ect ect

basically he is ultra right wing. he's not necessarily a bad person, though

King refers to Vivio. Remember how she was dubbed the material a few episodes ago and Nove wanted to see this so called future lord with her own eyes? Scag apparently needs her to make a lord. Something that will surpass all the numbers.

The aces think that in the worst case, the fate of Midchilda will have to depend on just 3 of them alone...... but they think it's enough XD

[Liingo]

- Starts off with Ginga and A's tech girl temporarily joining Riot 6. And training moves on to Ginga vs Subaru.

- Pretty cool Super Robotish fight (( what's with them enjoying it etc )), pretty evenly matched, but Ginga's better.

- Mock battle with the Rookies vs the Aces...We don't get to see it though, though Ginga's expression at learning what kind of training they go through? Priceless.

- Eww, Zafira. Vivio wiped her face with a cloth he grabbed with his mouth. Can't you have the decency to at least turn human ONCE!? And mute...AGAIN.

- Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama scene for the NFers. I nearly wanted to cough out when Nanoha pulled the "you can do it" cliche for the "fall when running cliche", but Fate saved the day since Vivio couldn't stand.

- Mariel going ohh... N and F's kid...EH!!?!?!?!?!?!?

- Rein's form in birth is the same as it is now, though her mentality back then was like a child's. And Erio/Caro scene too.

- Boring Regius/etc talk...Apparently there's "SOMETHING" which is protecting...whatever. I'll leave it to Thisguy.

- IS THAT CLIENT!?!?!?!? Typical SEELE EVA style screens... with TSAB Insignia and Numbers on it... I couldn't hear what they were saying though, so it may not be Client.

- More Numbers introduced. Wendy, etc etc etc. Uno is creepy. 0_0

- Jail has... at least 50 RELICS!?!?!?!?!

Thanks for the intial preview Nightengale :D

All I can say is awww that we don't get to see the mock battle between the rookies and the aces. :(

Looks good. I'll await the raw with anticipation :D

[Xellos-_^]

- IS THAT CLIENT!?!?!?!? Typical SEELE EVA style screens... with TSAB Insignia and Numbers on it... I couldn't hear what they were saying though, so it may not be Client.




Knew it was the TSBA that was behind everything :D

so do we get a full blown Ginga transformation scenes yet :p:D:heh:



PS. Hayate and Signum is up for Saimoe round 4 prelim vote.

[Nightengale]

Knew it was the TSBA that was behind everything :D

so do we get a full blown Ginga transformation scenes yet :p:D:heh:

Like I said, I'm not sure since the muffed sound was bad enough to couple with the bad nico audio... That's why I can't hear clearly what they were saying. 3 screens with numbers etched in front of a TSAB logo was talking to a small hologram. Aside from that, there's nothing I can say for sure.

There's nothing concrete yet, aside from Jail's crystal clear intentions to go and attack TSAB soon.

[Thisguy]

Alright, Wakayama airing has just finished and now it's ORENO TAAN...
Well, without repeatable RAW not available yet, I'm only relying on my memory.
Nico's so fast today too... I've been watching it on nico as I write this :heh:
It was one of training and daily stuff episodes, sure, but with every implication of incoming big events, it indeed felt like the "last peaceful days"...

- Prologue revealed some more info about these Sentou Kijins, that they're human fused with machines to gain more power.
That means they're more of Cyborgs rather than Androids... maybe some of them indeed are blood relatives?

- No new OP yet. Sad but it's fact.

- Just before the training, Nanoha announces that Ginga's joining RF6 as a personnel transfer, with Marie joining their tech-support.
Apparently Marie has looked after for Aces' devices.

- Training begins, kids are accompanied by Fate while Teana continues her lesson of "How to deal with an Assault-type #6" with Vita, and Nanoha asks Ginga to see the improvement Subaru has made through a mock-battle.

- Fight of sisters begins, it's literally DBZ! :heh:
Subaru puts up a very decent fight against Ginga, but eventually she loses.
After that, Nanoha tells them that they're going to start a mock-battle of... Forwards & Ginga VS Leaders & Vice-Leaders :twitch:
Ginga's scared by that, but apparently Forwards has went through that several times in past.

- Alright, it's Vivio's turn; We get to see her dressing up, accompanied by Ina and a certain dog.
Apparently they're going to visit her mothers in training field after morning session is over.

- Scene goes back to Forwards, whose (not suprisingly) got pwned by Leaders.
However, according to their talk, they at least went as far as to almost get a reversal if their Cross Shift went well.
Ginga asks them if it's always hard like that, which Forwards replies that it's only not hard enough to be capable of scramble mission :heh:

- Vivio arrives at the scene with a dog, and just when mama told her be careful not to slip over, she actually does :p
Here we see the different educational policy between mothers; Fate immediately tried to go and pick her up, but Nanoha stopped her and insists Vivio to stand up and come to her by herself, as ground is soft and she got no harm.
After a minute or so of struggle, Fate eventually gave her a hand... Nanoha says Fate's overprotective to her, while Fate returns that Nanoha is a bit too hard :heh:
Marie, who hasn't seen Vivio yet, asks Shari who's that girl... and eventually goes "So, she's their daughter... Ehhhhhhh!?" :uhoh:

- All Forward members take breakfast with Vivio, and it's reveealed that Vivio's ribbons are actually Nanoha's.
WAITAMINUTE What's that gigantic salad, Erio :twitch:
As they see Vivio's acting child, Ginga remembers about how Subaru was when she was shild and Wolkens have some fun teasing Rein for how childish she was back then.

- Just as any other child, Vivio doesn't like green pepper and leaves them on plate... but this time, both mamma agrees that she should have it for her health, and Hayate tell her that dislikeness won't make you beauty like your mothers are.
Caro, who's just trying to give Erio carrots she left on her plate, listened that and decides to eat it herself :heh:

- Subaru and Ginga went out to receive usual "medical checkup" done by Marie.
Teana asks her to buy some "Choco-Pot" for all main casts and that she'll pay half of it.
So, both Green Peppers and Chocolates exists in Mid... well, that aside, what kind of "checkup" is that, that they need to go through?

- Scene moves to Regius's office, Auris reports him that inspection was practically fruitless, which makes him demands her to find something else to bash them before Public Presentation.
However, she also reports about Central (which is Navy sided)'s inspecters are spooking around Armies, and that one of them possesses a Rare Skill and is typically difficult to deal with (apparently it's Rossa they're talking).
He then proceeds to topic about "Einherjar" and asks about how it's progressing, although according to Auris, it's slightly delaying behind.
Then Auris went out and asks her assistant what he thinks about "Einherjar" which he answers that it's the hope for Grounds, and with that, Grounds no longer need to rely on Navy or Rare Skill users to protect grounds.
Auris expresses her concern about it and having too much power in general, but that's what Regius choose to do anyway...

- Zeele! No I mean, Supreme Council of apparently TSAB :heh:
Regius reports them that not only Church, but also Legendary Admirals are up to something.
3 Zeeles tells him don't mind about them that they're old geezers and has no influence or manpower by now, and that he should continue the plan just as he has.
Regius exits, and three Zeeles ominously repeats "Yes... just like until now." once again.

- After Subaru and Ginga's some nudity thanks to medical check, scene moves to Spagetti's hideout...
Apparently Euno has just received new body, an excellent one, for it incorpolates datas collected by his younger sisters.
Quattro says that everyone's going well, that 7, 8 and 12 went past most of test phases, and Deici follows that 9 and 11's equipments has been completed, and Euno says that 2 and 5 are already in active duty.

- Sein having chat with Tre that number of Drones are more than sufficient by now, and it's also revealed that they're using the name "Gadget Drone" simply because TSAB started using that... prior to that, they didn't give a specific name to these junks.
Tre sarcastically says that their names are mere numbers too, but Sein actually likes her name.

- Spagetti says "Feast is almost ready", and as both 9 and 11 are specialized in front-line combat, they'll have some good amount of fun in there.
11 talks to 9 that she can't wait that day, but 9... Nueve doesn't give a damn about that "fun", that she's only interested in what kind of person their king is, and if s/he's really worth to be the king of her and her sisters.
Spagetti responds her that they'll see that very soon, that now his preparation is almost complete.
In front of MANY Relics and even more drones, he laughs maniacally... Yes, that's what mad-scientists are about! Go Spagetti! :naughty:

- Back to Nakajima sisters, Subaru bought Choco Pots she promised and... she really likes あーん, isn't she? :heh:
Ginga tells Subaru that you're really in good place, working with both her best friend and Nanoha, which Subaru replies that Ginga is her goal too.
Then, with very serious voice, Ginga says that they're going to fight against Sentou Kijins, and... (ominous pause) and let's do their best.
Obviously she was trying to say something else... am I the only one that got a vibe for Subaru's double knuckle?
Marie comes and pick them up, and they're back to RF6 base...

- Inside RF6's CO room, hayate tells N&F that she's just received the latest decryption of the prophecy, and that it's highly possible that Public Presentasion is going to be attacked.
Of course it's going to be heavily guarded, and RF6 will be there too, but due to rank? only Aces are allowed to enter indoor for security task.
Fate assures that 3 Aces will be more than enough for almost everything, and Nanoha tells her that Forwards are all ready and their devices' limiters will be released to 3rd level from tommorow.
Hayate finishes that IF they successfully defend it, the events will turn on their favor... so they'll do their best.

- Finally, caption is inserted that says there's 7 days left until Public Presentation... and ED kicks in.

- Oh yes, it's NEW ED!!!Preview:- Titled "The day of Riot Force 6 (Part 1)", they no longer hide about the upcoming raid on GC.
Part 1 would most likely mean there's Part 2, so we'll get to see the 2 continuous action episodes...
Yes, story is picking up the pace!

[Keroko]

Hmm, I need to learn to type faster. :heh: oh well, better luck next time.

[Deathkillz]

actually i thank aers for the link :D
part 1 ~
1) ginga and mariel joins the training force

2) nanoha requests ginga to fight with subaru (kinda like a mock test) ~

3) badass fighting continues with ginga throwing hight kicks and whatnot ~ ginga punches with her knuckles which breaks subaru's barrier and is tossed through the forest with ginga still charging. When the dist clears we see subaru unharmed as she was able to create a smaller but more effective barrier at the point of impact with ginga's fists ~ subaru then counters and pushes ginga back who uses wing road to escape...now it turns into a sky battle ~ the rest looking on comments on how happy subaru seems to be able to fight with ginga (the training payed off bla bla) but in the end it is ginga who wins just holding back a punch to subaru's face...

4) nanoha then suggests a battle with the aces vs the rookies with ginga being on the rookies side ~ the face from ginga is literally this: "O.O"

5) moving on we see what vivio is doing...omg she is soo moe!!! :D zafira is in the toilet taking care of her (happy yaro!)

6) the battle has ended (booo) and all the rookies are on the floor exhausted...well the did okey by ace standards XD

7) ginga tells the rookies how awesome they are to be alboe to train with nanoha and co ~ and they dont say much on that matter :heh:

8) vivio walks out and says hi to shari with zafira tagging along...zafira gets some loving from marie (hahaha yep wolf form has it's advantages) and she asks who that little girl was ~

9) we then see vivio running to her "mamas"

10) vivio falls over like misuzu saying "ahh" (hell i would have payed to see her say GAO! ;_; ) ~ but nonetheless i am melting ^.^

11) fate chan tries to help her up but heartless nanoha says "let her be" ~ nanoha asks if vivio is okey from afar and we see her with tearful eyes (thats it nanoha minus 1 point for you! :frustrated:)...nanoha tells vivio to try her best and stand up

12) Vivio: "mama" *crying*

nanaoha: "nanoha mana is right her...come"

*vivio cries some more*

fate chan: "nanoha its no use vivio is still just small"

*fate chan goes up to vivio and picks her up*

vivio: "fate mama"

fate chan: "be careful...if you are hurt fate mama and nanoha mama will be sad"

nanoha: "fate mama you are too soft"

fate chan: "you are just cold blooded"

(okey last two lines added in by me :heh:)

*shari turns to marie*

shari: "thats the whole story"

now for part 2 :)

edit: actually i wont bother as Thisguy has a better summary :heh:

Alright, Wakayama airing has just finished and now it's ORENO TAAN...
Well, without repeatable RAW not available yet, I'm only relying on my memory.
Nico's so fast today too... I've been watching it on nico as I write this :heh:
It was one of training and daily stuff episodes, sure, but with every implication of incoming big events, it indeed felt like the "last peaceful days"...

- Prologue revealed some more info about these Sentou Kijins, that they're human fused with machines to gain more power.
That means they're more of Cyborgs rather than Androids... maybe some of them indeed are blood relatives?

- No new OP yet. Sad but it's fact.

- Just before the training, Nanoha announces that Ginga's joining RF6 as a personnel transfer, with Marie joining their tech-support.
Apparently Marie has looked after for Aces' devices.

- Training begins, kids are accompanied by Fate while Teana continues her lesson of "How to deal with an Assault-type #6" with Vita, and Nanoha asks Ginga to see the improvement Subaru has made through a mock-battle.

- Fight of sisters begins, it's literally DBZ! :heh:
Subaru puts up a very decent fight against Ginga, but eventually she loses.
After that, Nanoha tells them that they're going to start a mock-battle of... Forwards & Ginga VS Leaders & Vice-Leaders :twitch:
Ginga's scared by that, but apparently Forwards has went through that several times in past.

- Alright, it's Vivio's turn; We get to see her dressing up, accompanied by Ina and a certain dog.
Apparently they're going to visit her mothers in training field after morning session is over.

- Scene goes back to Forwards, whose (not suprisingly) got pwned by Leaders.
However, according to their talk, they at least went as far as to almost get a reversal if their Cross Shift went well.
Ginga asks them if it's always hard like that, which Forwards replies that it's only not hard enough to be capable of scramble mission :heh:

- Vivio arrives at the scene with a dog, and just when mama told her be careful not to slip over, she actually does :p
Here we see the different educational policy between mothers; Fate immediately tried to go and pick her up, but Nanoha stopped her and insists Vivio to stand up and come to her by herself, as ground is soft and she got no harm.
After a minute or so of struggle, Fate eventually gave her a hand... Nanoha says Fate's overprotective to her, while Fate returns that Nanoha is a bit too hard :heh:
Marie, who hasn't seen Vivio yet, asks Shari who's that girl... and eventually goes "So, she's their daughter... Ehhhhhhh!?" :uhoh:

- All Forward members take breakfast with Vivio, and it's reveealed that Vivio's ribbons are actually Nanoha's.
WAITAMINUTE What's that gigantic salad, Erio :twitch:
As they see Vivio's acting child, Wolkens have some fun teasing Rein for how childish she was back then.

- Just as any other child, Vivio doesn't like green pepper and leaves them on plate... but this time, both mamma agrees that she should have it for her health.
Caro, who's just trying to give Erio carrots she left on her plate, listened that and retract it with embarassment :heh:

- Subaru and Ginga went out to receive usual "medical checkup" done by Marie.
Teana asks her to buy some "Choco-Pot" for all main casts and that she'll pay half of it.
So, both Green Peppers and Chocolates exists in Mid... well, that aside, what kind of "checkup" is that, that they need to go through?

- Scene moves to Regius's office, Auris reports him that inspection was practically fruitless, which makes him demands her to find something else to bash them before Public Presentation.
However, she also reports about Central (which is Navy sided)'s inspecters are spooking around Armies, and that one of them possesses a Rare Skill and is typically difficult to deal with (apparently it's Rossa they're talking).
He then proceeds to topic about "Einherjar" and asks about how it's progressing, although according to Auris, it's slightly delaying behind.
Then Auris went out and asks her assistant what he thinks about "Einherjar" which he answers that it's the hope for Grounds, and with that, Grounds no longer need to rely on Navy or Rare Skill users to protect grounds.
Auris expresses her concern about it and having too much power in general, but that's what Regius choose to do anyway...

- Zeele! No I mean, Supreme Council of apparently TSAB :heh:
Regius reports them that not only Church, but also Legendary Admirals are up to something.
3 Zeeles tells him don't mind about them that they're old geezers and has no influence or manpower by now, and that he should continue the plan just as he has.
Regius exits, and three Zeeles ominously repeats "Yes... just like until now." once again.

- After Subaru and Ginga's some nudity thanks to medical check, scene moves to Spagetti's hideout...
Apparently Euno has just received new body, an excellent one, for it incorpolates datas collected by his younger sisters.
Quattro says that everyone's going well, that 7, 8 and 12 went past most of test phases, and Deici follows that 9 and 11's equipments has been completed, and Euno says that 2 and 5 are already in active duty.

- Sein having chat with Tre that number of Drones are more than sufficient by now, and it's also revealed that they're using the name "Gadget Drone" simply because TSAB started using that... prior to that, they didn't give a specific name to these junks.
Tre sarcastically says that their names are mere numbers too, but Sein actually likes her name.

- Spagetti says "Feast is almost ready", and as both 9 and 11 are specialized in front-line combat, they'll have some good amount of fun in there.
11 talks to 9 that she can't wait that day, but 9... Nueve doesn't give a damn about that "fun", that she's only interested in what kind of person their king is, and if s/he's really worth to be the king of her and her sisters.
Spagetti responds her that they'll see that very soon, that now his preparation is almost complete.
In front of MANY Relics and even more drones, he laughs maniacally... Yes, that's what mad-scientists are about! Go Spagetti! :naughty:

- Back to Nakajima sisters, Subaru bought Choco Pots she promised and... she really likes あーん, isn't she? :heh:
Ginga tells Subaru that you're really in good place, working with both her best friend and Nanoha, which Subaru replies that Ginga is her goal too.
Then, with very serious voice, Ginga says that they're going to fight against Sentou Kijins, and... (ominous pause) and let's do their best.
Obviously she was trying to say something else... am I the only one that got a vibe for Subaru's double knuckle?
Marie comes and pick them up, and they're back to RF6 base...

- Inside RF6's CO room, hayate tells N&F that she's just received the latest decryption of the prophecy, and that it's highly possible that Public Presentasion is going to be attacked.
Of course it's going to be heavily guarded, and RF6 will be there too, but due to rank? only Aces are allowed to enter indoor for security task.
Fate assures that 3 Aces will be more than enough for almost everything, and Nanoha tells her that Forwards are all ready and their devices' limiters will be released to 3rd level from tommorow.
Hayate finishes that IF they successfully defend it, the events will turn on their favor... so they'll do their best.

- Finally, caption is inserted that says there's 7 days left until Public Presentation... and ED kicks in.

- Oh yes, it's NEW ED!!!Preview:- Titled "The day of Riot Force 6 (Part 1)", they no longer hide about the upcoming raid on GC.
Part 1 would most likely mean there's Part 2, so we'll get to see the 2 continuous action episodes...
Yes, story is picking up the pace!

[Nightengale]

A rough image on the number of Relics Jail possess.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7820/jail1yp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And there's like...20 times the amount of Drones.

[Keroko]

actually i thank aers for the link :D
part 1 ~
1) ginga and mariel joins the training force

2) nanoha requests ginga to fight with subaru (kinda like a mock test) ~

3) badass fighting continues with ginga throwing hight kicks and whatnot ~ ginga punches with her knuckles which breaks subaru's barrier and is tossed through the forest with ginga still charging. When the dist clears we see subaru unharmed as she was able to create a smaller but more effective barrier at the point of impact with ginga's fists ~ subaru then counters and pushes ginga back who uses wing road to escape...now it turns into a sky battle ~ the rest looking on comments on how happy subaru seems to be able to fight with ginga (the training payed off bla bla) but in the end it is ginga who wins just holding back a punch to subaru's face...

4) nanoha then suggests a battle with the aces vs the rookies with ginga being on the rookies side ~ the face from ginga is literally this: "O.O"

5) moving on we see what vivio is doing...omg she is soo moe!!! :D zafira is in the toilet taking care of her (happy yaro!)

6) the battle has ended (booo) and all the rookies are on the floor exhausted...well the did okey by ace standards XD

7) ginga tells the rookies how awesome they are to be alboe to train with nanoha and co ~ and they dont say much on that matter :heh:

8) vivio walks out and says hi to shari with zafira tagging along...zafira gets some loving from marie (hahaha yep wolf form has it's advantages) and she asks who that little girl was ~

9) we then see vivio running to her "mamas"

10) vivio falls over like misuzu saying "ahh" (hell i would have payed to see her say GAO! ;_; ) ~ but nonetheless i am melting ^.^

11) fate chan tries to help her up but heartless nanoha says "let her be" ~ nanoha asks if vivio is okey from afar and we see her with tearful eyes (thats it nanoha minus 1 point for you! :frustrated:)...nanoha tells vivio to try her best and stand up

12) Vivio: "mama" *crying*

nanaoha: "nanoha mana is right her...come"

*vivio cries some more*

fate chan: "nanoha its no use vivio is still just small"

*fate chan goes up to vivio and picks her up*

vivio: "fate mama"

fate chan: "be careful...if you are hurt fate mama and nanoha mama will be sad"

nanoha: "fate mama you are too soft"

fate chan: "you are just cold blooded"

(okey last two lines added in by me :heh:)

*shari turns to marie*

shari: "thats the whole story"

now for part 2 :)



I think Fate's words would be more like 'too strict' rather then 'cold-blooded'. :heh:

On the subject of the OP: I think we will get a new OP either in, or after the episode which will reveal the mode 2 of the other forward's devices. Most likely those will be incorporated in the OP, and they don't want to give to big of a spoiler by revealing them before they arive in the series.

[FlareKnight]

Well we got some interesting stuff this time around. Seems like Signum's joining the training as well (god help those forwards). Pretty good fight with Ginga and Subaru. Ginga has an early edge and you think it'll be over pretty quick, then Subaru gets the advantage. Nothing wrong with a big wing road battle. Of course Ginga wins but a big improvement by Subaru to get that far I'd say.

The classic kind parent vs learn to stand on your own two feet type. Not that its wrong to let kids deal with things and get up on their own. But she may be trying too quickly with someone like Vivio. I'll lean to the one with the most 'parenting' experience in Fate. But really someone else who's into making some big battle of the parenting styles can do that.

Does anyone know the last time Zafira said a reasonable sentence? Sure he's been babysitting but come on this is just sad.

At least the doctor has gone all the way. Go crazed evil laughing, hopefully this means we'll get some great battles soon.

Seemed like Shari and Marie were saying something about Erio and probably Strada but of course i had no clue what that was about. Maybe concerning Mode 2. Also why we didn't get to see the sparing since they apparently want to keep these secret and surprise us when the big fights start getting going.

Well don't think it's as shock value as the Nanoha blasting Teana episode kind of surprise. But it wasn't a bad one I suspect if you understand the majority of what they are talking about.

[Chaos2Frozen]

- Head count, how many Numbers are we talking about now? :heh:

- Nanoha sure likes to give out ribbons... Fate... Yuuno... Now Vivio :heh:

- I think the 'Zeele' (Lets just call them that for now), represent the top generals of the Ground forces, seeing as how they share Regius distaste for the Navy.

- Level 3? What, they're going bankai now?

- So... For every relic that RF6 retrive, Jail has 3-4 more stolen? No wonder he's not that worry about losing them... And all those drones, he's going 'Supreme Commander' on them? :heh:

[Deathkillz]

I think Fate's words would be more like 'too strict' rather then 'cold-blooded'. :heh:

yea but wouldnt that make a great 4 koma line? :p another potential scene would be marie hiding her perverted face behind those glasses O.O

as for spaghetti...less orgasming over the relics and more relic babies plz! :rolleyes:

[Thisguy]

- Head count, how many Numbers are we talking about now? :heh:At this point, at least up to 12 has been confirmed...
Also Tuduki said in one of interview that there're no more new character past around here, so hopefully that's all we have to remember :heh:

So, Level 3... does that mean they can use their Full-Drive mode if necessary?

[FlareKnight]

I think its safe to say they've got quite a few of these numbers. Highest I heard in number was 12. Geeze guess we can have group battles against the aces since they'll have more than enough to keep everyone occupied in a fight.

Oh yeah just wait for when things are getting serious. The forwards will go all out and bring on the bankai :).

[Nightengale]

- Head count, how many Numbers are we talking about now? :heh:

- Nanoha sure likes to give out ribbons... Fate... Yuuno... Now Vivio :heh:

- I think the 'Zeele' (Lets just call them that for now), represent the top generals of the Ground forces, seeing as how they share Regius distaste for the Navy.

- Level 3? What, they're going bankai now?

- So... For every relic that RF6 retrive, Jail has 3-4 more stolen? No wonder he's not that worry about losing them... And all those drones, he's going 'Supreme Commander' on them? :heh:

-12 Numbers... 3 are still inactive, but pretty much close to awakening.

- I think thisguy was refering to EVA's SEELE... you know, those screen-only background baddies that controls Gendoh?

- For one, we don't even know how many Relics TSAB has secured... Safe to say Scaglietti has a lot of them though...

Edit : Got beaten to it.

[Thisguy]

- I think thisguy was refering to EVA's SEELE... you know, those screen-only background baddies that controls Gendoh?Oops, it was S not Z then... noted.
Apparently they're the "higher-ups" Regius has repeatedly mentioned, they're called "最高評議会"... hmm, something like "Supreme Council" or something like that?
Up until now I thought it's more like MC's goverment itself, but apparently they're inside TSAB structure as well... damn, I really want to know what TSAB's whole structures are like.

[Chaos2Frozen]

At this point, at least up to 12 has been confirmed...
Also Tuduki said in one of interview that there're no more new character past around here, so hopefully that's all we have to remember :heh:

12 numbers... You heard that, Nightengale? :heh:

Oran-ge needs more juice.


So, Level 3... does that mean they can use their Full-Drive mode if necessary?

At this point, I would think they'll at least teach them how to fly... With all the upgrades and training, they should be pushing AA- rank? A rank the least.

I think its safe to say they've got quite a few of these numbers. Highest I heard in number was 12. Geeze guess we can have group battles against the aces since they'll have more than enough to keep everyone occupied in a fight.

Plus the countless drones.

It'll be funny IF the public presentation got attacked, which is probably Ground's homebase, and for all of Regius tough talk, only RF6 were the ones fighting.


Oh yeah just wait for when things are getting serious. The forwards will go all out and bring on the bankai :).

They should try flying first :heh:

EDIT:



- I think thisguy was refering to EVA's SEELE... you know, those screen-only background baddies that controls Gendoh?


Yeah I know, but I thought he switch the letters to avoid copy-right issues :p

[Chaos2Frozen]

Oh yeah, I can't believe I nearly forgot...

Any new, never-before-seen images in the new ending?

[Key Board]

Mariel is the technician from A's

I didn't expect her to ever return, but she did

[FlareKnight]

Yeah it'd be funny. They pull out all the stops and all but Subaru are swinging at the sky trying to hit something.

Seems like the enemy at least has more than enough firepower with those numbers and the incredible amount of drones. Yeah it'd be a big hit to Regius if there's a big calamity but RF6 are the only ones fighting and saving the day.

Learning to fly wouldn't be too bad a thing. Erio and Teana could probably use it to help with their combat. Subaru can use wing road, Caro has Freid. Sure Erio could ride up with Caro then jump out at the enemy but it's a bit tricky. We've seen Teana make use of the wing road Subaru has made but it'd probably help them out if they could take things to the air. But doesn't seem like training has gone in that direction. Even Ginga seems to use Wing road instead of flying.

[Jimmy C]

For one, we don't even know how many Relics TSAB has secured...

Oh yes we do. In Ep 3, Fate said, "Relics have been discovered four times in the past." We know they recovered one of those during the A's to StrikerS manga. We do not know if they recovered any of the other 3. Add the Relics recovered in eps 5 and 12, the TSAB has between 4 and 7 Relics in their possession currently.

Safe to say Scaglietti has a lot of them though...
Quite, there's a minimum of 40 in the screenshot you provided.

You know, I once thought these Relics would be more powerful than the Jewel Seeds. But, given how many the Doctor has, I'm begining to have my doubts. Still, I really hope the Relics have something to do with the prophecy, instead of being just a convinient cover for forming RF6.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yeah it'd be funny. They pull out all the stops and all but Subaru are swinging at the sky trying to hit something.

I'm not worry about Subaru :heh: but there's only some much Teana and Erio can do by running :heh:

Teana could try to 'spider-man' her way from building to building, but I don't think it's a permanent solution. And Erio doesn't seem to be able to use Sonice Move more than once.

Maybe he'll get the 'blink' ability :D

or even 'Trick Air'


Seems like the enemy at least has more than enough firepower with those numbers and the incredible amount of drones. Yeah it'd be a big hit to Regius if there's a big calamity but RF6 are the only ones fighting and saving the day.

Rise of the Machines. :D


Learning to fly wouldn't be too bad a thing. Erio and Teana could probably use it to help with their combat. Subaru can use wing road, Caro has Freid. Sure Erio could ride up with Caro then jump out at the enemy but it's a bit tricky. We've seen Teana make use of the wing road Subaru has made but it'd probably help them out if they could take things to the air. But doesn't seem like training has gone in that direction. Even Ginga seems to use Wing road instead of flying.

Wing road is a good enough substitute for flying, and it seem easier to use as well.

Not as mobile though.

[serenade_beta]

A rough image on the number of Relics Jail possess.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/7820/jail1yp9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

And there's like...20 times the amount of Drones.

That's great, Spaghetti! Go! Go! Go!

[raidou]

Oh yes we do. In Ep 3, Fate said, "Relics have been discovered four times in the past." We know they recovered one of those during the A's to StrikerS manga. We do not know if they recovered any of the other 3. Add the Relics recovered in eps 5 and 12, the TSAB has between 4 and 7 Relics in their possession currently.

Maybe much more or less , they never said specifically how many relics they recover during the encounter.They could find more than 1 relic or even a dozen at once since some of the places shown were some kind of laboratory.Also they could encounter em but are unable to recover since some are reported to disappear on site.


Wing road is a good enough substitute for flying, and it seem easier to use as well.

Not as mobile though.
It is very risky though since all the rookies would have to depend on 2 people (subaru/ginga) that are supposed to be on the front line and would suck if they go down first/have to retreat.Plus that would make those 2 become prime targets :heh:

[BPHaru]

- Nanoha sure likes to give out ribbons... Fate... Yuuno... Now Vivio :heh:
I missed something? or are you just talking about the green color?

[Chaos2Frozen]

I missed something? or are you just talking about the green color?

The ribbon that Yuuno has since the end of A's? That belonged to Nanoha...

[raidou]

I missed something? or are you just talking about the green color?

It was mentioned in A's databook ....Just assume that it is sort of an item tag :p

[Chaos2Frozen]

It was mentioned in A's databook ....Just assume that it is sort of an item tag :p

"Nanoha has been here."

Yes, I realized the double-edged sword, but I'm willing to compromise...

[Dark Wing]

Awwww...Vivio is so moeness I swear my teeth are just roting form all the cuteness. Seeing Nanoha has the more strict parent isn't surprising given her background right Nanoha-pa errr mama. Lets just hope Vivio doesn't try to rebel like Tea did I think she'd get more then just a little "Cross Fire" attack.:heh:

Oh man I would've loved to see the rookies vs. aces fight but I think that could've taken up a whole Episode and a half but with exact same results. Well hang in there kids you'll get there one day.;)

wow I know the Docs had numbers on his side but didn't figure it was an army. :twitch: Well we all know how that showdowns gonna end.:rolleyes:

Well all and all good episode can't wait for the next blah blah all that other loyal fan stuff.:D

[FlareKnight]

Yeah nothing like an army to put the firepower on your side. Really was a surprise to see how many relics the Doctor has on his side there. Getting data I guess is a worthy compromise when you've already got a ton.

Yeah today would've been a massive fight. Probably would've taken up the whole episode at least and I guess they want to save time for some big fights. Which hopefully are coming up soon.

Guess it's just Nanoha's way of showing those she cares about. Giving of ribbons is just her thing which is nice in that you can have that with you most of the time and remember the person.

[Chaos2Frozen]

*Raise hand*

Erm, about the new ending again? :heh:

[Deathkillz]

you would think that the relics would be rare and wide in between so how the heck did spaghetti haxx his way into getting so many ~ come to think how many relics are there :twitch: ~ and his logic of en mass > quality fighters really creeps me out...maybe work against the TSAB noobs but against hayate and her whip pff...i should be hiring mourners already :p

[Chaos2Frozen]

you would think that the relics would be rare and wide in between so how the heck did spaghetti haxx his way into getting so many ~ come to think how many relics are there :twitch: ~ and his logic of en mass > quality fighters really creeps me out...maybe work against the TSAB noobs but against hayate and her whip pff...i should be hiring mourners already :p

I've said this before back when the season begin, anyone who uses machines as foot soldiers only has one battle tactics :p

"If 100 fails, add another '0' at the back and try again."

[FlareKnight]

Yeah I really thought the relics were seriously rare from what they were saying. But that guy really has cornered the market. Maybe he's planning on going with quantity>quality. But throwing in those numbers girls to assist in handling the quality opponents. Making a combination of quality and quantity.

(I'll try to get a description of the ED in a second if you really want Chaos)

Yeah in short form it's really centered around Nanoha. You have some flashes like a reflection in the water of her and then back to her younger self. Flipping back from the young Nanoha to the current one.

[Meophist]

*Raise hand*

Erm, about the new ending again? :heh:
It's a Nanoha + Nanoha ending.

[Chaos2Frozen]

(I'll try to get a description of the ED in a second if you really want Chaos)

Thanks. Though screenshots would be prefered.

It's a Nanoha + Nanoha ending.

Serious? You mean just Nanoha, Nanoha, Nanoha and nothing but Nanoha?

That's a bummer...

[Meophist]

Serious? You mean just Nanoha, Nanoha, Nanoha and nothing but Nanoha?

That's a bummer...Well, no, there's a bit more. However, what I meant was that there's Nanoha AND Nanoha. In any case, I took a couple of caps.http://content.imagesocket.com/images/ED1d4f.pnghttp://content.imagesocket.com/images/ED2be3.png (http://imagesocket.com/view/ED1d4f.png)

[FlareKnight]

Well to start off you've got Nanoha walking on water (literally) hands behind her back pretty relaxed kind of thing. http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha5.jpg
Then moving to a bright blue bird (more magic than looking real) flying in the sky away from our direction.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha6.jpg

Small break with Fate, Nanoha, and Hayate relaxing on some grassy area with some yellow flowers.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha7.jpg
Quickly to Nanoha in trainer uniform staring at the sky from apparently the same location.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha8.jpg
Have Nanoha with her eyes closed. Her reflection in the water then the water shimmering creating the face of her child self in it.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha9.jpg
Then we've got young Nanoha running on the sky I think, again away from the screen. Slowly it changes to the current Nanoha running.
Then a screen with a forest below, some moons in the background, but daylight. You've got Erio and Caro back to back his head a little above hers. Screen is panning up to Subaru and Teana back to back with Subaru a little above Teana's head.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha10.jpg
Now Nanoha (current) with a pink shirt I believe (it's a change so I noted it, I'm not staring....) floating in the sky I think. Looking not all there I guess would be the best way to say it. Maybe I'll upload some images to make this clearer.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha2.jpg
Next Nanoha just walking in the sky. Her young self though runs from the left behind her and they hold hands. Before the young Nanoha fades away. Bird replaces it all again as it flys through the screen.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha3.jpg
Finally Nanoha full barrier jacket (Exceed or Excellion mode) falling into the picture standing standing ready to go. That's it.
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x68/FlareKnights/Nanoha4.jpg


Yeah I'd just go with the posted link to the New ED. But darn it I took all those screen shots so still posting them in the spoiler tags.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well, no, there's a bit more. However, what I meant was that there's Nanoha AND Nanoha. In any case, I took a couple of caps.http://content.imagesocket.com/images/ED1d4f.pnghttp://content.imagesocket.com/images/ED2be3.png (http://imagesocket.com/view/ED1d4f.png)

LOL! Hahaha! :heh: Got me good there...




Well to start off you've got Nanoha walking on water (literaly) hands behind her back pretty relaxed kind of thing. Then moving to a bright blue bird (more magic than looking real) flying in the sky away from our direction.

Small break with Fate, Nanoha, and Hayate relaxing on some grassy area with some yellow flowers. Quickly to Nanoha in trainer uniform staring at the sky from apparently the same location.

Have Nanoha with her eyes closed. Her reflection in the water then the water shimmering creating the face of her child self in it.

Then we've got young Nanoha running on the sky I think, again away from the screen. Slowly it changes to the current Nanoha running.

Then a screen with a forest below, some moons in the background, but daylight. You've got ErioxCaro back to back his head a little above hers. Screen is panning up to Subaru and Teana back to back with Subaru a little above Teana's head.

Now Nanoha (current) with a pink shirt I believe (it's a change so I noted it, I'm not staring....) floating in the sky I think. Looking not all there I guess would be the best way to say it. Maybe I'll upload some images to make this clearer.

Next Nanoha just walking in the sky. Her young self though runs from the left behind her and they hold hands. Before the young Nanoha fades away. Bird replaces it all again as it flys through the screen.

Finally Nanoha full barrier jacket (Exceed or Excellion mode) falling into the picture standing standing ready to go. That's it.


That's... Rather dramatic :twitch:

That ErioxCaro might pose a little problem as well...

[aroduc]

LQ Caps etc
http://blog.seiha.org/?p=184

I've also uploaded the fight scene and am just waiting for youTube to finish processing it. I guess I can rip/upload the ED too.

I rather liked the episode though, aside from yet another clusterfuck of characters. Things moved right along and we got some nice action out of it too.

[FlareKnight]

Well that's too bad, was going for more descriptive than dramatic per say.:uhoh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well that's too bad, was going for more descriptive than dramatic per say.:uhoh:

No no, it's not the way you say it, but rather how I have pictured the scene to look like with what you have mentioned.

Especially the birds :uhoh:

[FlareKnight]

No no, it's not the why you say it, but rather how I have pictured the scene to look like with what you have mentioned.
Whew worried I made it sound like come crazed mad man's rantings. I may be mad but I don't rant all that much :).

[krisslanza]

Someone needs to add the new ED to YouTube I think :uhoh:

[aroduc]

Here's the ED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkLM6U9OU6g

The fight is apparently stuck... bah. Time to reupload.

Edit: oops... accidently included the next ep preview. Ah well.

[krisslanza]

I just noticed that XD
Tell us when the fight works, I'm curious =o

EDIT:
Oh and my friend had this to say about the new ED:
'Nanoha is now attempting to replace Jesus'

Made me laugh :heh:

[Meophist]

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…bah, too late.

[FlareKnight]

Know how you feel Meophist. Just finished working the screen shots into my description of the ending. Oh well I spent that time, I'm keeping it.

Good job with the link to the ending it's a bit easier when you can have the music along with the images.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I was wondering how come they didn't put Vivio in, seeing as how she's important...

...Then I realize, maybe they did, but it's just not as obvious.

Then I saw IT :p

[Loner]

Just finished watching the episode, and I've got a question about the Ep 16 preview...

The last spoken line, from Fate, sounded to my limited Japanese something like, "the day Section Six... is destroyed". Can someone with better language skills than me confirm or deny whether that's an accurate translation or not?

[aroduc]

Victory is mine! :P

Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ab6O3gpCc

[Loner]

Victory is mine! :P

Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ab6O3gpCc

With how the 4komas are portraying Ginga as the "clumsy girl", I shudder to think of variation of that scene will emerge... :heh:

[Dark Wing]

Victory is mine! :P

Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ab6O3gpCc

:twitch: DBZ anyone...:heh:

[Meophist]

Know how you feel Meophist. Just finished working the screen shots into my description of the ending. Oh well I spent that time, I'm keeping it.Indeed. In any case, this is right now my least favourite Nanoha ending right now.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Indeed. In any case, this is right now my least favourite Nanoha ending right now.

I'll give it awhile before I decide, but in terms of the images used... Well, I never had high hopes for Nanoha's ending to begin with :p

[Deathkillz]

:twitch: DBZ anyone...:heh:
not quite...you see if this was DBZ then there wouldnt be anything else to describe the beating taken by the rookies (which was bloody censored!!! :frustrated:) :rolleyes:

[krisslanza]

Also if it was DBZ, they'd have to first spend 5 episodes powering up then fight for 10 seconds! :heh:
'Twas something nice to watch. They have highly similar fighting styles, as expected.

[Keroko]

Indeed. In any case, this is right now my least favourite Nanoha ending right now.

*flail* but.. but.. what about all the adorable Nanoha scenes!

Of course, that's just me being a Nanoha-fan. In terms of video, this ending had me sitting with a smile on my face. I loved the crossing moments, especially the young and adult Nanoha holding hands.

In terms of audio... well, it's a good song. But that's also where it ends, it's 'a good song' there's nothing really special about it. In fact, I couldn't help but shake the 'where have I heard this before?' feeling.

[FlareKnight]

Yeah I wouldn't say it's a bad ending. I think the description of 'good' for the song is pretty accurate. It wasn't anything incredible but it wasn't bad, yeah you do get that familiar feeling from hearing it.

If you like Nanoha (which you'd hope there would be enough of that kind of person) it's a good ending visually. They do fit in bits of the other characters (Fate, Hayate. Then the forwards together) but, mostly it's Nanoha with some of her younger self making it in.

[Chaos2Frozen]

If you like Nanoha (which you'd hope there would be enough of that kind of person) it's a good ending visually. They do fit in bits of the other characters (Fate, Hayate. Then the forwards together) but, mostly it's Nanoha with some of her younger self making it in.

'Like' ?! You'll need 'blind love' to look pass the visuals :heh: !

[aroduc]

But really... Nanoha was quite the bitch. There should defnitely be a quality scene out of that little scene between her, Vivio and Fate.
Vivio is running up them, trips and is about to start crying. Fate starts going to her, but Nanoha stops her and tells Vivio to get up on her own. Then Vivio really is about to start crying so Fate runs over, only to get whined at by Nanoha for 'spoiling' Vivio.

I swear, she'd throw her own child over a cliff to the wolves thinking it was for his own good.

[the_firefly]

I've only got the LQ raw to go by, and trying to make out the text during the ending is not going so well.

Can anyone make out who was voicing the newer numbers that were introduced in this episode? I'm pretty sure I heard some familiar voices.

[Deathkillz]

But really... Nanoha was quite the bitch. There should defnitely be a quality scene out of that little scene between her, Vivio and Fate.
Vivio is running up them, trips and is about to start crying. Fate starts going to her, but Nanoha stops her and tells Vivio to get up on her own. Then Vivio really is about to start crying so Fate runs over, only to get whined at by Nanoha for 'spoiling' Vivio.

I swear, she'd throw her own child over a cliff to the wolves thinking it was for his own good.
isnt that how eagle parents get their babies to fly? :heh: but yea as ie said that is a minus point for nanoha ~ poor vivio ;_;
fate chan: "you are cold blooded!"

as for the ED i think the first one is better...but well given time they will probably equal out O.O

[Meophist]

*flail* but.. but.. what about all the adorable Nanoha scenes!

Of course, that's just me being a Nanoha-fan. In terms of video, this ending had me sitting with a smile on my face. I loved the crossing moments, especially the young and adult Nanoha holding hands.I enjoyed that too, but…In terms of audio... well, it's a good song. But that's also where it ends, it's 'a good song' there's nothing really special about it. In fact, I couldn't help but shake the 'where have I heard this before?' feeling.That's basically it. I quite enjoyed the songs for the other EDs, this one didn't really stand out. The overall feeling of the ED song felt a little generic.

It's not that I don't like it, but it doesn't really stand out compared to the others. There's also little interesting going on after the big-Nanoha being with little-Nanoha.

[DmonHiro]

isnt that how eagle parents get their babies to fly? :heh: but yea as ie said that is a minus point for nanoha ~ poor vivio ;_;
fate chan: "you are cold blooded!"

as for the ED i think the first one is better...but well given time they will probably equal out O.O


Actually it's a plus point for her. Any clue how hard it is to WANT to help but not do it because by helping you are only making yourself feel better but in the long run hurting the one you help? Young ones need to be able to get up by themselves if they have the ability, and Vivio has that ability.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Actually it's a plus point for her. Any clue how hard it is to WANT to help but not do it because by helping you are only making yourself feel better but in the long run hurting the one you help? Young ones need to be able to get up by themselves if they have the ability, and Vivio has that ability.

I agree, all those times mom was making life hell for me and saying it was for my own good?

Damn, turns out she was right :heh:

The bottomline is that Nanoha wasn't wrong in the sense that it's better to start enforcing the mentality to not be too dependent on others when they're still young, because it's going to be alot harder to change when they grow up.

"What's the point of beating them now when they already know how to run?"

But then again, this is the first time she's responsible for a child, so you can't blame her for not having a good judge on things.

[FlareKnight]

Well I guess it depends on which side of the fence on sits on that parenting style. Sure its got it's point of teaching a child not to rely on a parent for everything when they are capable of doing it themselves. Some self-reliance and things in that manner.

Both Nanoha and Fate have their own ideas on what is the best way to go about something like this. I don't think its necessarily wrong to help out a child that falls if they can't understand why they are being asked to get back up on their own. Plus this is a situation where the short term could be a very important thing. Never know when a good relationship will have some impact on the plot.

[aroduc]

Well I guess it depends on which side of the fence on sits on that parenting style. Sure its got it's point of teaching a child not to rely on a parent for everything when they are capable of doing it themselves. Some self-reliance and things in that manner.

Though I think you could bring some confusion to the child. You go from taking good care and suddenly tell them to take care of themselves. Maybe it helps in the long run or maybe they'll build up some resentment if there isn't an understanding of why suddenly they are being asked to do something by themselves. Both Nanoha and Fate have their own views on what is in the child's best interest in this case.

I generally tend to err on the side of being extra nice to children who are chained to things and forced to escape through sewers.

Just me personally.

[Tokkan]

I've only got the LQ raw to go by, and trying to make out the text during the ending is not going so well.

Can anyone make out who was voicing the newer numbers that were introduced in this episode? I'm pretty sure I heard some familiar voices.

Quattro mentioned Sette (Seven), Otto (Eight) and Dido (Twelve), whom are currently in tubes. Dieci mentions Nove (whom we've already met, Nine) and Uendi (Eleven, voiced by Marina Inoue, sounds like Yoko from Gurren Lagann), who are active and at the base. Uno mentions Due (Two) and Cinq (Five), who are out on missions at that moment. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Auris (That adjutant of Regius') is either Due or Cinq.

For a list, here's the ones we know so far:

Uno - One
Due - Two
Tre - Three
Quatro - Four
Cinq - Five (Cinque)
Sein - Six (Sei)
Sette - Seven
Otto - Eight
Nove - Nine
Dieci - Ten
Uendi - Eleven (Undici)
Dido - Twelve (Dodici)

[Chaos2Frozen]

I generally tend to err on the side of being extra nice to children who are chained to things and forced to escape through sewers.

Just me personally.

Nanoha gave her food, clothes, warm bed, hugs... For free.

Just thought of mentioning.

[the_firefly]

Quattro mentioned Sette (Seven), Otto (Eight) and Dido (Twelve), whom are currently in tubes. Dieci mentions Nove (whom we've already met, Nine) and Uendi (Eleven, voiced by Marina Inoue, sounds like Yoko from Gurren Lagann), who are active and at the base. Uno mentions Due (Two) and Cinq (Five), who are out on missions at that moment. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Auris (That adjutant of Regius') is either Due or Cinq.

For a list, here's the ones we know so far:

Uno - One
Due - Two
Tre - Three
Quatro - Four
Cinq - Five (Cinque)
Sein - Six (Sei)
Sette - Seven
Otto - Eight
Nove - Nine
Dieci - Ten
Uendi - Eleven (Undici)
Dido - Twelve (Dodici)

I thought I heard Marina Inoue's Yoko voice, :D

I just need to work on keeping all these characters straight now, :eyespin:

[Dark Wing]

Both Nanoha and Fate have their own ideas on what is the best way to go about something like this. I don't think its necessarily wrong to help out a child that falls if they can't understand why they are being asked to get back up on their own. Plus this is a situation where the short term could be a very important thing. Never know when a good relationship will have some impact on the plot.

While I will agree that Nanoha had a point when she wanted Vivio to get up on her own but Vivio still really young so it's kind of hard to pick a side in this. To me it seems like Nanoha has taken on the role of a dad trying to teach the child to be strong and self reliant while Fate is the kind and gentle mother who babies her child a lot.

Man I can't wait to see the 4kome on this.:heh:

[Darco_emp]

I thought I heard Marina Inoue's Yoko voice, :D

I just need to work on keeping all these characters straight now, :eyespin:

Keep the new villians straight? :uhoh: I stopped trying a long time ago...

Seeing Nanoha and Fate together really gives you a good feeling to start the day :heh:. The Ep is slowpaced as it is expected from calm before the storm. However we did get a feeling for who the client maybe be through we don't get to see their faces...

More then Subaru and Ginga's fight Vivio's moeness stole my heart once again :heh:. and I give this Ep +1 for new ED :D. (Why is Nanoha alone in the endings :uhoh:)

[aroduc]

I thought I heard Marina Inoue's Yoko voice, :D

I just need to work on keeping all these characters straight now, :eyespin:

Yeah... I made a chart.

I'm sad that it's once again out of date by about 10 characters thanks to a single episode.

[octoberasian]

While I will agree that Nanoha had a point when she wanted Vivio to get up on her own but Vivio still really young so it's kind of hard to pick a side in this. To me it seems like Nanoha has taken on the role of a dad trying to teach the child to be strong and self reliant while Fate is the kind and gentle mother who babies her child a lot.

Man I can't wait to see the 4kome on this.:heh:

I agree, it was a bit humorous to see the two different parenting styles between Nanoha and Fate. They sure act like a disagreeing couple on how to treat Vivio when she fell down. XD

If that's not another hint that those two are together or hiding something, then I don't know what is. ^^; They sure act like a couple, and now act like parents with Vivio in the picture.

The 3 screens during that meeting room sure felt a lot like Eva's SEELE when Gendo met with other SEELE members.

A showing of hands here who things that Nanoha might end up like "End of Evangelion"?

If you think about it, what IF TSAB goes against Riot Force 6 as SEELE went against NERV towards the end. And, Riot Force 6 is going up against Scagliete's minions at 12 so far. How many Angels did the Eva Pilots go up against? Twelve, right? It's been so long, so I don't remember much about Eva. Just imagine Ep.26 with RF6 vs. TSAB vs. Scagliete's minions. @_@

... if it turns out that way...

But, this episode sure gave Eva vibes all over again when I saw that conference reminding me of SEELE again.

And!!!

Second ending song! It's a really nice song. I especially like the part where they added little Nanoha from Season 1 in it as if tying all 3 seasons together.

[LoweGear]

Waiting for raw, but DAMN :eek: Subaru and Ginga battle = MASSIVE WIN. And Ginga looks much much better kicking the crap out of her sister :heh::D

[octoberasian]

Waiting for raw, but DAMN :eek: Subaru and Ginga battle = MASSIVE WIN. And Ginga looks much much better kicking the crap out of her sister :heh::D

I agree. I was actually cheering Ginga on. :D And, when the dust settled, we see Ginga's fist just inches away from Subaru's face. XD

[FlareKnight]

Haha yeah couldn't help cheer on Ginga myself. Not that I don't like Subaru, just wanted Ginga to win that one and she didn't disapoint. :)

I think the different personalities with Nanoha and Fate led to just different parenting styles. Doesn't matter to me all that much with the Fate or Yuuno ending with Nanoha. It's a bit of an explosive topic though so I wouldn't get too much into that kind of thing.

Seeing the talking tv's definitely gave you those Evangelion vibes. Though I felt like come on people what's such a big issue that you don't have faces? Maybe they are all ugly or something?

[octoberasian]

Haha yeah couldn't help cheer on Ginga myself. Not that I don't like Subaru, just wanted Ginga to win that one and she didn't disapoint. :)

I think the different personalities with Nanoha and Fate led to just different parenting styles. Doesn't matter to me all that much with the Fate or Yuuno ending with Nanoha. It's a bit of an explosive topic though so I wouldn't get too much into that kind of thing.

Seeing the talking tv's definitely gave you those Evangelion vibes. Though I felt like come on people what's such a big issue that you don't have faces? Maybe they are all ugly or something?

Maybe I should point you to that Nanoha image spoof of that General in her barrier jacket posted in the Image Thread. *shudder*

That could explain all the hiding-behind-TV-screens and such. XD Maybe they're cosplaying in RF6's uniforms and are very jealous of Hayate's cosplay skills and are afraid to show themselves. XD

[Liingo]

Maybe I should point you to that Nanoha image spoof of that General in her barrier jacket posted in the Image Thread. *shudder*

That could explain all the hiding-behind-TV-screens and such. XD Maybe they're cosplaying in RF6's uniforms and are very jealous of Hayate's cosplay skills and are afraid to show themselves. XD

Please don't remind me of that.............:eyespin::eyespin:

Just watched the raw. I can't help but feel disappointed that we didn't get to see the battle between the forwards and the aces :( although i do understand why they didn't.

moe overload in this ep due to Vivio. :D

One thing caught my eye though(everything else has already been talked about) around the 15min mark when Regius is walking to his office. Is there really a need for that many people to line the walkway:uhoh: Seems like a waste of resources to me.

[FlareKnight]

Maybe I should point you to that Nanoha image spoof of that General in her barrier jacket posted in the Image Thread. *shudder*

That could explain all the hiding-behind-TV-screens and such. XD Maybe they're cosplaying in RF6's uniforms and are very jealous of Hayate's cosplay skills and are afraid to show themselves. XD
Oh the suppressed memory...My eyes they burn!:eyespin:

Yeah that's a good enough reason. Maybe they just think it's cool to be all mysterious with the tvs and things like that.

[Nightengale]

Waiting for raw, but DAMN :eek: Subaru and Ginga battle = MASSIVE WIN. And Ginga looks much much better kicking the crap out of her sister :heh::D

But she wasn't kicking the crap out of Subaru. Unless Ginga was holding back (( maybe, they were high playing the "enjoying the battle" cliche )), it was kind of equal... Ginga was still better, but not really by much.

I guess that explains why Subaru's a siscon though... XP

[LoweGear]

But she wasn't kicking the crap out of Subaru. Unless Ginga was holding back (( maybe, they were high playing the "enjoying the battle" cliche )), it was kind of equal... Ginga was still better, but not really by much.

I guess that explains why Subaru's a siscon though... XP

I meant generally of course, not in the sense that Ginga was owning Subaru all over the place :heh: But still, Ginga in her prime is such a joy to watch :D

Subaru a siscon? I thought she was a les-

*Revolver Cannon'd*

[Chaos2Frozen]

I meant generally of course, not in the sense that Ginga was owning Subaru all over the place :heh: But still, Ginga in her prime is such a joy to watch :D

Subaru a siscon? I thought she was a les-

*Revolver Cannon'd*

Either way, Subaru needs to be STRAIGHT-en out :p

[krisslanza]

Whats a siscon? :heh:

@Chaos:
But we need more of her waking up Teana by groping for the comedic effect! :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Whats a siscon? :heh:

Chrono :D ;) :p


@Chaos:
But we need more of her waking up Teana by groping for the comedic effect! :heh:

Hmmm, you're right...

[krisslanza]

I have to say episode 10's opening was the best. I'm pretty sure no one ever saw that one coming... :heh:

I'm looking forward to 15 as well /to stay on-topic somewhat

[warpshadow]

But really... Nanoha was quite the bitch. There should defnitely be a quality scene out of that little scene between her, Vivio and Fate.
Vivio is running up them, trips and is about to start crying. Fate starts going to her, but Nanoha stops her and tells Vivio to get up on her own. Then Vivio really is about to start crying so Fate runs over, only to get whined at by Nanoha for 'spoiling' Vivio.

I swear, she'd throw her own child over a cliff to the wolves thinking it was for his own good.

At least Vivio didn't try to use a melee maneuver in a practice session.

[Nightengale]

If Vivio stood up, then no one would blame Nanoha since she would commend her, and we get a cute mommy-Nanoha/Vivio scene.

Then we'd get Marie going...oh? Nanoha's daughter....EH?!? Who's the father!?!?

But if she didn't, we got what we got. Fate pampering and Nanoha saying she's too pamperish.

And we got....oh, their daughter...EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!?!?!?!?

More so than anything else, it was blatantly the NF fanservice of the episode.

....

I think this might be one reason Zafira...the babysitter sticks to being animal and mute.... what if...

Marie: It's been a long time, Zafira! I rarely see you in this form.
Zafira: Well, this form is more convenient for certain things...
Vivio: Nanoha-mama! Fate-mama!
Marie : Who's that?
Zafira: She's...
Vivio : Zafira-papa!
Marie: Oh, she's your daughter with Fate and Nanoha...EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Creepy indeed.

[LoweGear]

I think this might be one reason Zafira...the babysitter sticks to being animal and mute.... what if...

Marie: It's been a long time, Zafira! I rarely see you in this form.
Zafira: Well, this form is more convenient for certain things...
Vivio: Nanoha-mama! Fate-mama!
Marie : Who's that?
Zafira: She's...
Vivio : Zafira-papa!
Marie: Oh, she's your daughter with Fate and Nanoha...EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Creepy indeed.

:eek::twitch:

At least, Zafira is safe from misunderstandings... at the cost of his dignity :heh::uhoh:

[Gearhead]

Just an observation.. Nanoha and Fate are going to have very different perspectives on how to properly raise a child. Fate has Alicia's memories of Precia and Lindy's example to fall back on, and both were very kind experiences. Nanoha, on the other hand, grew up in a practicing samurai household where the elder siblings were learning how to handle live steel. It makes sense for Nanoha to be the more stern of the pair.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I've got an idea, lets keep up this "Nanoha's way vs Fate's way" argu- I mean, "discussion". Soon the fir- erm, 'word' would spread and we'll get back our 600+ posts reputation...!

At the cost of Nanoha and Fate's relations of course but it's a fair trade. :)


:eek::twitch:

At least, Zafira is safe from misunderstandings... at the cost of his dignity :heh::uhoh:

Just when you thought his pride couldn't be shattered any further... :p

[krisslanza]

I smell sabotage of some sort Chaos... *Shifty look*

[Chaos2Frozen]

I smell sabotage of some sort Chaos... *Shifty look*

If you could smell it, then it's definitely not my sabotage :D

[Kazu-kun]

I've got an idea, lets keep up this Nanoha's way vs Fate's way argu- I mean discussion, soon the fir- erm, word would spread and we'll get back our 600+ posts reputation...

At the cost of Nanoha and Fate's relations of course but it's a fair trade. :)

I don't think so. After all, those scenes were made as a treat to the NF fanbase; the producers want us to talk about it. Who are we to disagree with them?

And we got....oh, their daughter...EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!?!?!?!?

Marie's reaction was amusing; she certainly seems to have as much imagination as any NF fanboy. ^^ Although it's just eye candy, seeing Nanoha and Fate as lesbian moms is pure win. I hope we'll see more of it in the future. :)

[krisslanza]

I wonder who'll give Vivio the 'having two moms means...' talk... :heh:

[Xellos-_^]

:eek::twitch:

At least, Zafira is safe from misunderstandings... at the cost of his dignity :heh::uhoh:


Zafira is safe form any isunderstanding ver since Hayate took him to the vet :heh::uhoh::twitch:

[Chaos2Frozen]

I don't think so. After all, those scenes were made as a treat to the NF fanbase; the producers want us to talk about it. Who are we to disagree with them?

Apparently people disagreed with how they handled pairings before, rather viciously I must add.

*Shrugged*

Zafira is safe form any isunderstanding ver since Hayate took him to the vet :heh::uhoh::twitch:

Ouch, evil... :uhoh:

[FlareKnight]

Well I don't know the producers have at times pulled stuff to be disagreed with. Though I don't think we can do much against them in that case. I'm sure NF fans enjoyed the scene even if it was a small conflict of styles. Unless it grew into something bigger doubt we'd get any real problems to comment on.

I'm pretty sure the ehhh came from a "how the heck did that happen?" I mean you wouldn't need much imagination with Vivio calling them both "mama" to come to that conclusion.

Well I'm hoping we'll get to see some action. While I'm certain it's fun for NF fans as a more neutral person I'd like to see some more stuff going on. Interesting to see the two of them as parents. But along with that we've got poor Zafira's honour in shreds. Heck maybe if someone comes after Vivio we can get him fighting again.

[aroduc]

Zafira is safe form any isunderstanding ver since Hayate took him to the vet :heh::uhoh::twitch:

That would at least explain why nobody cared that he followed Vivio into the girl's bathroom.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Zafira is safe form any isunderstanding ver since Hayate took him to the vet :heh::uhoh::twitch:


That would at least explain why nobody cared that he followed Vivio into the girl's bathroom.

He probably doesn't want to... Talk about it :D

[Kazu-kun]

Apparently people disagreed with how they handled pairings before, rather viciously I must add.

The thing is that they don't handle pairings. Pairings are just fanservice, and have the sole purpose of milking the franchise as much as possible. The problem is when people take these so called parings to seriously.

I wonder who'll give Vivio the 'having two moms means...' talk... :heh:

Well, we have Zafira to do this sort of things (poor... dog :heh:).

I'm pretty sure the ehhh came from a "how the heck did that happen?" I mean you wouldn't need much imagination with Vivio calling them both "mama" to come to that conclusion.

I don't think it was just "how the heck did that happen?" From her facial expresion, I'd say she seemed kinda disturbed by her own thoughts about the situation. It was part of the whole thing; more fanservice for the fanboys.

[FlareKnight]

Damn...that's pretty harsh. Guess that's why he wouldn't want to change back. Forget shattering his honour...they just took it away.

Not sure if Zafira can give the talk. He really hasn't said much of anything. Probably because Vivio is young and would be overly surprised by the talking dog. Unless she doesn't think talking dogs are weird, I don't know her very well :).

[Chaos2Frozen]

The thing is that they don't handle pairings. Pairings are just fanservice, and have the sole purpose of milking the franchise as much as possible. The problem is when people take these so called parings to seriously.


You're already handling a pairing when you milk them.

And you just agreed that people can disagreed with the producers.



Not sure if Zafira can give the talk. He really hasn't said much of anything. Probably because Vivio is young and would be overly surprised by the talking dog. Unless she doesn't think talking dogs are weird, I don't know her very well :).

She's a kid, you can tell her anything and she'll believe you.

Even if it's a flying spagetti monster.

[Nightengale]

Forget going into the bathroom with Vivio, they've technically shared an indirect kiss.

The towel that Vivio used to wipe her face with was grabbed with Zafira's mouth... Eww.

Then again, Nanoha used to bite ferret!Yuuno too in her sleep, so...something similar?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Forget going into the bathroom with Vivio, they've technically shared an indirect kiss.

The towel that Vivio used to wipe her face with was grabbed with Zafira's mouth... Eww.

Then again, Nanoha used to bite ferret!Yuuno too in her sleep, so...something similar?

Bestiality is accepted so long as they have a human form?

I mean, if the rumors were true then technically Chrono....

[Kazu-kun]

You're already handling a pairing when you milk them.

And you just agreed that people can disagreed with the producers.

You missed the point. In fact you seem to do that a lot.

Forget going into the bathroom with Vivio, they've technically shared an indirect kiss.

Well, it would be worst if they share a kiss while he's in his human form. :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

You missed the point. In fact you seem to do that a lot.



"I don't think so. After all, those scenes were made as a treat to the NF fanbase; the producers want us to talk about it. Who are we to disagree with them?"


"The thing is that they don't handle pairings. Pairings are just fanservice, and have the sole purpose of milking the franchise as much as possible. The problem is when people take these so called parings to seriously."


Explain your hidden meaning.

You accept that they made those scenes as a treat to NF fans, yet you disagree that they have control over the pairings?

[krisslanza]

Wait, since when are pairings fanservice only? Pairings serve a purpose. If they were just fanservice then like... Kannazuki no Miko would be just fanservice.

Anyway. It's late over here. G' night all.

[Aaron008R]

Forget going into the bathroom with Vivio, they've technically shared an indirect kiss.

The towel that Vivio used to wipe her face with was grabbed with Zafira's mouth... Eww.

Then again, Nanoha used to bite ferret!Yuuno too in her sleep, so...something similar?

Hey, at least it was in his animal form.

And it was still inderect. Compared to that, I got a direct one!:twitch:
I remember the female dachschund we used to have. The little speed devil ran mouth-first into mine.:heh: YUCK!:upset:

[Kazu-kun]

You agree that they made those scenes as a treat to NF fans, yet you disagree that they have control over the pairings?

I don't even care about that. The point is that the pairings are just fanservice and so we shouldn't take them to seriously. That way we can talk about them without going into ship-wars and crap of the like.

Wait, since when are pairings fanservice only? Pairings serve a purpose. If they were just fanservice then like... Kannazuki no Miko would be just fanservice.

Eh? We're talking about Nanoha here!!!

[Chaos2Frozen]

I don't even care about that. The point is that the pairings are just fanservice and so we shouldn't take them to seriously. That way we can talk about them without going into ship-wars and crap of the like.

No wonder I didn't get the point, that's a good jump from 'They don't handle pairings'.

So what should we take seriously?



Eh? We're talking about Nanoha here!!!

You were refering to pairings as a general thing.

[Nightengale]

No wonder I didn't get the point, that's a good jump from 'They don't handle pairings'.

So what should we take seriously?

Isn't this what you called the "Everybody is one big family of VERY GOOD FRIENDs?"

The staff has control on whatever the Nanoha franchise will extend itself to, but if within-series indications are anything...this whole mama-thing with Vivio, and them sharing a bed, or spending 3 hours at night doing last-minute paper work before sleep are no definitive indication that Nanoha and Fate are a legitimate pairing. Like one once said, Nanoha and Fate are platonic life-friends who's been through a lot together, it's not strange at all for them to be like this and are not a couple.

Likewise, Yuuno and Nanoha. We aren't given much fanservice of them together, but it's clear that they're no less good friends than Nanoha and Fate. Among stuff like that. NF has higher demand value from the masses, and that's why we're getting more of their relationship as far as interaction goes, but just because NF outnumber another doesn't demean the value of YN. Because that's the way Nanoha (( literally and figuratively )) rolls.

It should only be taken seriously once things really extend beyond fanservice... like say... Chrono and Amy's wedding. That's no fanservice, that's the hammer or relationship canon.

[Key Board]

I'll just say that certain people need to stop being awfully bitter when their shipping doesn't go their way.

Or at least keep it to the, I don't know? *gasp* pairing thread?

[BPHaru]

Thanks Kazu-kun, I just noticed that KimiNozo, Nana, Saikano, Kannazuki no Miko, Hachimitsu to Clover and a great many others are not Romance-Drama, but fanservice-fanservice :heh:

[Kazu-kun]

You were refering to pairings as a general thing.

No at all. the line "milking the franchise" sets the context.

Now, back to the topic.

I know this is the wrong thread but it's related to the same topic (Vivio) so... I recall having read in the thread for episode 14 that Fate was the one who signed as Vivio's legal guardian. Can someone confirm this?

Thanks Kazu-kun, I just noticed that KimiNozo, Nana, Saikano, Kannazuki no Miko, Hachimitsu to Clover and a great many others are not Romance-Drama, but fanservice-fanservice :heh:

Didn't I say we're talking about Nanoha? And btw, I love Kannazuki no Miko!!

[Key Board]

Nanoha is the guardian 保護責任者

Fate is the one who adopted her on papers

[BPHaru]

It should only be taken seriously once things really extend beyond fanservice... like say... Chrono and Amy's wedding. That's no fanservice, that's the hammer or relationship canon.
In my opinion Chrono marrying Amy has nothing to do with canon, it doesn’t matter at all if now in StrikerS he’s married or not, it’s only fanservice.
“Fanservice? How!? There aren’t any Chrono-Amy shippers!”, well, in A’s we had Nanoha, Fate, Chrono and Yuuno being paired one with each other, then in StrikerS IMHO we don’t have Chrono as possible pairing of anyone because he mysteriously is married now, and either Yuuno, who instead of work under Hayate with all the active characters from the previous series (even Zafira), he mysteriously got confined to a library, and then, who is left?
You can say that this succession of events between A’s-StrikerS was only with fanservice purposes if you think that Nanoha-Fate relationship is only fanservice, that is if you think that things like them rearing Vivio will not have any relevance in the actual plot.


Nanoha is the guardian 保護責任者


Fate is the one who adopted her on papers

I don't get the difference :confused:

[Key Board]

assuming it is the same as in my country

a legal guardian is the one possessing legal authority over the care of a child
in a lot of countries the parent is the default legal guardian

but it can be assigned to someone else

person A is adopted and takes the family name of his step father
but person A's legal guardian is the uncle.

case 1;
step parent is say, a filthy rich oil baron with a hundred adopted sons. He is also very busy with his work. He legally assigns the care of person A to his uncle.

case 2:
should person A's step father pass away, the uncle has full responsibility over person A

In Erio's case. He is adopted by Lindy on papers, but his legal guardian is Fate.

[Ratler]

YAY just got my hands on the RAW ^^ Comments and observations


that sparing match between Subaru and Ginga in the beginning was awesome ^^


The look on Ginga's face when she was placed as the leader of the forwards team for a mock battle was priceless (these are my guesses on what happened I don't speak enough Japanese to really know:heh::heh:)


Aww Nanoha is like a perfect mother :nod::nod: she knows when it is ok to let a child learn something and grow stronger :nod: *Sigh* but Fate still has a lot to learn it seams she is still babying Vivio a bit to much i think. .... I have no clue what that little "argument" was about but it made me Laugh^^


Can someone tell me what that argument/lets pick on Rein thing at the lunch table was about. And please tell me that Erio was not going to eat that huge bowl of salad by himself...


Yay for new ending ^^:D:D

[Kazu-kun]

assuming it is the same as in my country

a legal guardian is the one possessing legal authority over the care of a child
in a lot of countries the parent is the default legal guardian

but it can be assigned to someone else

person A is adopted and takes the family name of his step father
but person A's legal guardian is the uncle.

In Erio's case. He is adopted by Lindy on papers, but his legal guardian is Fate.

Wrong. At the time of Erio Fate couldn't sign because of her age (she couldn't be his legal guardian at the time), so Lindy did so instead. Erio didn't take the family name (so he wasn't adopted), and if later Fate became his legal guardian (which we don't know), that means Lindy transfered the legal authority to her.

With Vivio the case is different, because Nanoha can take full responsability of her. So whay would Fate be the one signing the papers. You said, "Nanoha is the guarding". Then why she didn't sign herself? It makes no sense. Also, do we really know that Fate adopted her?

EDIT: I found this:
- In N&F's bedroom, Fate tells Vivio that now she's a bit of Vivio's mama too, as she placed herself as legal guardian, to keep eye on relation between Nanoha and Vivio.

According to Thisguy, Fate is the legal guardian. So, now I'm more confused. If I have to guess, I'd say that Fate is the legal guardian, as thisguy says, and that she assigned equal legal authority to Nanoha. Can someone confirm this (a direct citation of the dialog would be nice). Maybe I should be patience and wait for the subs. :heh:

[BPHaru]

assuming it is the same as in my country

a legal guardian is the one possessing legal authority over the care of a child
in a lot of countries the parent is the default legal guardian

but it can be assigned to someone else

person A is adopted and takes the family name of his step father
but person A's legal guardian is the uncle.

case 1;
step parent is say, a filthy rich oil baron with a hundred adopted sons. He is also very busy with his work. He legally assigns the care of person A to his uncle.

case 2:
should person A's step father pass away, the uncle has full responsibility over person A

In Erio's case. He is adopted by Lindy on papers, but his legal guardian is Fate.

Thanks a lot for your explanation. In Fate and Nanoha case I think they do that way to have both legally realted to Vivio.

EDIT:
With Vivio the case is different, because Nanoha can take full responsability of her. So whay would Fate be the one signing the papers. You said, "Nanoha is the guarding". Then why she didn't sign herself? It makes no sense. Also, do we really know that Fate adopted her?
lol, I'm confused now...
I think I would wait for the subs :heh:

[holybell84]

Fate is starting to be like Angelina Jolie; adopting lots of kids, only that I think she is hawter :D

[Chaos2Frozen]

Fate is starting to be like Angelina Jolie; adopting lots of kids, only that I think she is hawter :D

That's because she's younger :heh:

[Kha]

Forget going into the bathroom with Vivio, they've technically shared an indirect kiss.

The towel that Vivio used to wipe her face with was grabbed with Zafira's mouth... Eww.

Then again, Nanoha used to bite ferret!Yuuno too in her sleep, so...something similar?I think everyone missed the point of the posting! Nighty's saying "ZafiVio cr4ck pairing! :3" here, ne, Nighty-chan? :3

[LoweGear]

I think everyone missed the point of the posting! Nighty's saying "ZafiVio cr4ck pairing! :3" here, ne, Nighty-chan? :3

:uhoh: Nothing is impossible in Nightengale's Eyes :uhoh:

[Nightengale]

@Ratler : Basically, Fate thinks Nanoha is a little too demanding of Vivio doing the "STAND UP!" cliche when she's still a little child, while Nanoha thinks Fate is being too pamperish. Typical stuff.

And that Rein thing? The Wolkies said that back when Rein was still an infant and newly born, she's pretty much like how Vivio was, baby-ish... as far as mentality goes. She looks the same she was during birth till now.

I think everyone missed the point of the posting! Nighty's saying "ZafiVio cr4ck pairing! :3" here, ne, Nighty-chan? :3

No. Don't stereotype me just yet. Half of me is still perfectly normal, otherwise I wouldn't even be a neutral-ish 300. You too, Lowe! ;)

If you really want me to give Zafira a crack pairing, it's not with Vivio, it's with that housekeeper. :p

Besides, it's not like me to use a chicken-shit indirect way of expression if I really want to go on that pairing. I've been pretty open on my "taste", I have no fear!

[Deathkillz]

just as zest is with lutecia, zafira is also showing his rippling muscles (fur? tail?) to vivio...macho guys these days have no sense of dignity :rolleyes: next thing you know they are going to get dumbed by the girls and come together O.O (i hate crying macho men...)

[Thisguy]

Just finished watching the episode, and I've got a question about the Ep 16 preview...

The last spoken line, from Fate, sounded to my limited Japanese something like, "the day Section Six... is destroyed". Can someone with better language skills than me confirm or deny whether that's an accurate translation or not?Nah, it was merely a title-call, that saying next episode is "The day of Riot Force 6, Part 1".
Well anyway, that doesn't mean anything can't happen in next episode... being the one distributed spoiler preview, I'm more than certain that these previews were nothing but a fraction of EPs.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I think everyone missed the point of the posting! Nighty's saying "ZafiVio cr4ck pairing! :3" here, ne, Nighty-chan? :3

Ahhh~ As expected of Kha, you're becoming more formidable with each passing day...

:uhoh: Nothing is impossible in Nightengale's Eyes :uhoh:

The great eye sees all.... :uhoh:


No. Don't stereotype me just yet. Half of me is still perfectly normal, otherwise I wouldn't even be a neutral-ish 300. You too, Lowe! ;)

Weird is part of the requirement anyway :p


If you really want me to give Zafira a crack pairing, it's not with Vivio, it's with that housekeeper. :p

That sounds like a plot to a porno film...


Besides, it's not like me to use a chicken-shit indirect way of expression if I really want to go on that pairing. I've been pretty open on my "taste", I have no fear!

"A life without shame is a life on easy mode :p"

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Victory is mine! :P

Fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ab6O3gpCc

that was one cool fight! Subaru and Ginga both have the same kind of fighting style...and adding in the wing road made the battle even more interesting...even though they don't know how to fly, using wing road made them look like they were fighting in the air while flying.
nice match, too bad Ginga took this one though.
I guess this is the only sparring match that was shown in this episode huh...I read that they didn't show which forward went against which one of the instructors.
oh wells, two more days until I can watch the RAW of this episode, seems like the story is making good speed and we're well on our way of another big fight!

[Thisguy]

Anyway you guys, forget about that blue dog for a little.

Caro was trying to give Erio her carrot, and from their expression it was rather usual stuff...
... am I going to far to think that she did "Aa-n" every time she gave him her carrots? :rolleyes:

(Yes, apparently she was trying to drop it in Erio's drink in secret... but Erio obviously was aware of her doing :heh:)

[Adr 00]

Anyway you guys, forget about that blue dog for a little.

Caro was trying to give Erio her carrot, and from their expression it was rather usual stuff...
... am I going to far to think that she did "Aa-n" every time she gave him her carrots? :rolleyes:

(Yes, apparently she was trying to drop it in Erio's drink in secret... but Erio obviously was aware of her doing :heh:)

Why is she doing such a thing in the first place?Is she trying to drug him?

[Nightengale]

It's cliche for little children to not like certain food/vegetables. Like carrot.

Yeah, I never understood the drink part of it. Unless it's some form of drinkable liquid that dissolves food or something. Quick digestion ftw.

Obviously Caro's doing it the wrong way, if she wants to escape eating. She should've AHHH-ED Elio.

Edit : Wait, wait, wait... Otto's suit looks different than the rest and it's kind of flat...A BOY!? Or is it the flat-chest of the group? @_@

And looks like Wendy's using a giant shield with a pincer-like thing... Shion Uzuki?

[Adr 00]

It's cliche for little children to not like certain food/vegetables. Like carrot.

Yeah, I never understood the drink part of it. Unless it's some form of drinkable liquid that dissolves food or something. Quick digestion ftw.

Obviously Caro's doing it the wrong way, if she wants to escape eating. She should've AHHH-ED Elio.



I think she was trying to hide it in his drink.

What did Erio say to her about that action?

And i doubt Erio would succumb to her charms.

[Darco_emp]

It's cliche for little children to not like certain food/vegetables. Like carrot.

Yeah, I never understood the drink part of it. Unless it's some form of drinkable liquid that dissolves food or something. Quick digestion ftw.

Obviously Caro's doing it the wrong way, if she wants to escape eating. She should've AHHH-ED Elio.

Edit : Wait, wait, wait... Otto's suit looks different than the rest and it's kind of flat...A BOY!? Or is it the flat-chest of the group? @_@

And looks like Wendy's using a giant shield with a pincer-like thing... Shion Uzuki?

It is a proving fact that carrots are bad for children, unless you got old man tastes :heh:

Not going to add more oil in to the Ero boy's relationships. I do hope something come in between it through...

Otto is not flat.. then again who is Otto :uhoh:

I think she was trying to hide it in his drink.

What did Erio say to her about that action?

And i doubt Erio would succumb to her.

Erio said nothing, Hayate was saying to Vivio if you don't eat your veggies, you will never become beatiful like your mothers

[Adr 00]

It is a proving fact that carrots are bad for children, unless you got old man tastes :heh:


Erio said nothing, Hayate was saying to Vivio if you don't eat your veggies, you will never become beatiful like your mothers

What does that got to do with that?


And i doubt Erio would succumb to Caro's charms like that.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Anyway you guys, forget about that blue dog for a little.

Not too difficult there :heh:


Caro was trying to give Erio her carrot, and from their expression it was rather usual stuff...
... am I going to far to think that she did "Aa-n" every time she gave him her carrots? :rolleyes:

(Yes, apparently she was trying to drop it in Erio's drink in secret... but Erio obviously was aware of her doing :heh:)

Awww, that's the cutest thing I've ever imagined all day...

Caro trying to drug Erio with Vitamin A...

Of course, unless it's not carrots... :uhoh:

[Aaron008R]

Awww, that's the cutest thing I've ever imagined all day...

Caro trying to drug Erio with Vitamin A...

Better eyesight to see her better?:heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Better eyesight to see her better?:heh:

Night vision to be exact :heh:

[Nightengale]

Otto is not flat.. then again who is Otto :uhoh:

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7871/untitledql7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

This is Otto. Short hair, flat with a different styled armoring (( Nouve's vest and Quatrro's cape doesn't count. ))...a boy?

Well, we still don't know No. II and No. V anyway. They'll probably pop up at the fireworks/eventual attack on TSAB Jail is orgasming himself to even before it starts.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well, we still don't know No. II and No. V anyway. They'll probably pop up at the fireworks/eventual attack on TSAB Jail is orgasming himself to even before it starts.

That's just so wrong... :heh:

Ignore all the possible jokes about oranges, it's still wrong... :heh:

[Tokkan]

Damn, it took forever, but I was finally able to decipher what Blitz Caliber called out when Ginga formed that ring around her Revolver Knuckle... "Strike Hoop"... It's really weird, because it sounded like "Storm Cube" at first, but because of that being gibberish when used with that kind of attack I kept on trying to listen to decipher a different name out of it using my ears. It seems the Japanese are having trouble with it too, the spell isn't even on NanohaWiki yet, but Revolver Cannon is.

Nice little fact, Ginga's barrier spell is called "Defence", and it's basically just Defensor in one direction. Kind of useless really, as Defensor is weaker than Protection, it's only advantage being that it was in all directions. NanohaWiki lists it as "Defend", though. But my ears detect an "s" sound at the end of the word, not a "d" sound.

[mist2123]

That's just so wrong... :heh:

Ignore all the possible jokes about oranges, it's still wrong... :heh:

The girl got ORANGED:heh:

[Adr 00]

Not too difficult there :heh:



Awww, that's the cutest thing I've ever imagined all day...

Caro trying to drug Erio with Vitamin A...

Of course, unless it's not carrots... :uhoh:


Then what would she be drugging him for?To make him like her?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Then what would she be drugging him for?To make him like her?

Well, unless I screwed up completely for biology, I'm pretty sure 'A' doesn't stand for 'Aphrodisiac' ...

:D

[Adr 00]

Well, unless I screwed up completely for biology, I'm pretty sure 'A' doesn't stand for 'Aphrodisiac' ...

:D

LOL

And please put away the idea of the carrot having a chemical that allows x-ray vision.xD

[Chaos2Frozen]

LOL

And please put away the idea of the carrot having a chemical that allows x-ray vision.

Nooooo~ really?! :twitch:

Does it turn you into a bunny as well? :eyespin: Would your hair become orange? :eyespin:

[Adr 00]

Nooooo~ really?! :twitch:

Does it turn you into a bunny as well? :eyespin: Would your hair turn orange? :eyespin:

Maybe.In fact it would incredible if it did.


__________________________________________________ _________________________
If Erio suddenly had x-ray vision for the day because of the carrot having such a chemical..........

Erio:*whats wrong with my eyes....i can see through...........everyone's clothes argh!!!!!!!!!!!*

Erio then covers his eyes.

Subaru:Whats wrong Erio?

Erio:its........er.......nothing...........really

"Erio runs away into his room"

part 2

After Lunch.........

"Erio is in his room"

Erio:something is wrong, i better close my eyes and pretend this is all a nightmare.

Fate:Erio?i heard from the rest you have been acting strange so.....

"Erio turns around"

Erio: oh its nothing.............Fate......youre.......ARGH!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Erio then sonic moves out of the room."

ps. i think there wont be gagdet type 4.........*cries*

[Adr 00]

Somehow there are just way too many numbers.I mean how can RF6 cope?

Part 3

"Erio is speaking to Chrono"

Chrono:let me get this straight,suddenly during lunch you somehow got x-ray vision?

Erio:Yeah,its strange. Im so Unlucky today! >_<

Chrono:Buddy,you have no idea how lucky you are.:p

Erio:Lucky or not,im not liking this x_x.

[Loner]

Somehow there are just way too many numbers.I mean how can RF6 cope?

That's obvious: subtraction. :eyespin:

[Adr 00]

That's obvious: subtraction. :eyespin:

I HOPE that was a joke.

[Nightengale]

Somehow there are just way too many numbers.I mean how can RF6 cope?

The Aces, Wolkenritter, Stars, Lightning and Ginga, officially the actual frontliners accumulate to 11 mages from C to SS in rank/ability.

Clearly, the Navy/Church will not be able to intervene this early since things are still low and Regius is dead set on making the Ground go above the 2nd banana... so assistance from Acous, Carim, Chrono are probably...natch, bar limiter removal from Carim. Schach may be able to help, but who knows.

At the worst case, Vice will be of assistance. He's probably the only member of the League of Extraordinary Retirees currently that actually may participate in the early battles. I don't see Lindy, Arf, or Yuuno coming in unless things are THAT desperate.

Meanwhile, there are 12 Numbers... the Aces should be more than enough for each one of them, unless some numbers turn out to be extremely l33t. And not all may be combat specialist, as X was a long-range sniper, IV was a support-illusionist, IX and XI are close-combatants... seems to be a specialization-team, but not necessarily extremely powerful in overall combat ability. Zest, Lutecia and Agito should have some decent power all in all... We know averagely what Lutecia and Agito should fare against...Zest is probably at least Zafira and at best Signum's level.

Plus shit load of drones...but that's for Aces to demonstrate their haxx map weapons, and also grunts vs grunts, and tons of chaos. They're junk after all, so Jail probably doesn't even care.

Even if we throw in every named character who's shown themselves or at least indicated to be mages (( Lindy, Yuuno, Carim, Acous )), there's probably around 20 max, and if we take into account CLIENT, the whole King fiasco and Jail's number of Relics...I'd say there''ll be more to the Numbers in villains too, and including all we've seen so far, it's probably around 20 too.

Seems reasonably equal.

[Estavali]

Was that Lindy who appear in the preview? When Fate was with Vivio in their bedroom.

I'm starting to doubt about the "Auris = Number" theory. If I'm not reading Thisguy's review wrongly, it appears that she just doesn't agree with Regius' methods, or is, at least, a (silent) voice of reason in their group.

That word "Einherjar" gives me the creeps. If my guess is correct, Regius is attempting to create his own army of Numbers. The Einherjar, as most of us are probably aware, are the the chosen slain in Norse mythology, those who died valiantly in battle and are chosen by the Valkyries to enter Valhalla, where they do merry and deadly battle on each other (though they are always cheerfully restored to one piece when the dinner bell rings), until Ragnarok, where these fine gentlemen would stand fearlessly amidst Odin's folk against the Giants.

Mindless folklore, you might ask? However, if we consider the assault, which may or may not trigger the prophecy's unfolding, as Ragnarok, we might be able to guess a bit of the Einherjar role. Crack troops specially selected and trained to fight very troublesome and difficult enemies, that would normally require the elites from the Air and Naval Forces to deal with. Regius doesn't like the Intergalactic Fleet, and he would find it unspeakably unbearable if they are the only ones to settle all the important missions, while his men could only stand aside and watch because power differences. A sentiment which I believe is not reserved for him alone.

So in order to win face, they set up a special force, developed with Heaven-know-what methods. Heck, they could be creating Seed Druggies for all we know. Definitely powerful, from what his expectations may show, but if Auris' concerns are accurate, possibly very problematic as well.

Let's see if my predictions are close, and how these Einherjar fare against the Good Doktor and his merry friends.

Add-on: Now that we've seen Gin-nee and Subaru spar, I'm really curious what kind of woman their mom was.

[Meophist]

If that's what the mythological Einherjar are, then isn't it possible that it is a bit more literal? The dead reborn? Rather than the druggies in Gundam SEED, how about the Dragoons in Starcraft?

Rather than that, isn't that similar to the purpose of Project F?

[Estavali]

I considered that too. Though, instead of resurrecting worthy but dead soldiers (which is costly and doesn't seem to guarantee 100% expected results so far), an alternative and possibly cheaper method could be to beef up those that are still alive. Though the Dragoon idea, which works well with this thought, didn't occur to me. Very good point, that.

[FlameSparkZ]

If that's what the mythological Einherjar are, then isn't it possible that it is a bit more literal? The dead reborn? Rather than the druggies in Gundam SEED, how about the Dragoons in Starcraft?

Rather than that, isn't that similar to the purpose of Project F?

More literal? Okay :D

Einherjar literally means "One in a Hundred" and from what I got from the elevator conversation, it's something very powerful and, maybe, dangerous to use.

This episode was quite funny, the Subaru vs Ginga mock battle and then Vivio coming to see Nanoha...Fate is really nice isn't she? :D

What cracked me up was when Mariel went "Ehhhh?" from the Nanoha-mama and Fate-mama scene :heh:

[krisslanza]

Well you'd suspect Fate would be kinder, since she was the one whom was horribly abused by her mother, where as Nanoha was just left alone a lot I guess... :heh:

[Key Board]

if someone doesn't mind spoilers, according to animage in episode 17:

Spoilers regarding a certain battle:


Vita and Rein fight Zest and Agito in an aerial battle


regardless, it seems that everyone will have their designated rival eventually

They aren't subtle about Rein vs Agito, but how about the others?

I predict

Subaru vs Player 2 Subaru, I mean, Nove
Teana vs Quatro (illusionist rivalry)
Caro vs Lutecia (kinda obvious, but maybe not)

[krisslanza]

Clicking that spoiler tag is tempting. On one hand, I'll spoil something. On the other, I'll be less shocked and thus Chaos won't get at much fun out of it if he tries to say 'Told you so!' o:

[Serenity85]

Clicking that spoiler tag is tempting. On one hand, I'll spoil something. On the other, I'll be less shocked and thus Chaos won't get at much fun out of it if he tries to say 'Told you so!' o:

lol I clicked^^ Its really not that big, heck its almost predictable^^ (sigh was hoping for something a little more spolierific^^) Won't rune much if you click^^

[krisslanza]

Oh so that's not the spoiler Chaos is probably all giddy about... :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Was that Lindy who appear in the preview? When Fate was with Vivio in their bedroom.


Yup that's her, though I'm not sure if it's just a picture, or the real person :heh:

I know of those chosen warriors sent to Valhalla, but I didn't know what they were called :heh:

Oh so that's not the spoiler Chaos is probably all giddy about... :heh:

You'll never find it :p

[krisslanza]

I'm sure if we just lock you in a room and just send 'someone' in we can get that information out of you... :uhoh:

[Dark Wing]

Wow Lindy is coming back? who's next Arf, the Neko twins (can't remeber their names), Amy?

[Chaos2Frozen]

I'm sure if we just lock you in a room and just send 'someone' in we can get that information out of you... :uhoh:

You'll never get it in time to stop it :p

Wow Lindy is coming back? who's next Arf, the Neko twins (can't remeber their names), Amy?

I still think it's just a picture :heh:

[krisslanza]

Well still at least she 'appears' so to speak right? XD

Bah ;P I'll just act like nothing happened :uhoh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well still at least she 'appears' so to speak right? XD

Bah ;P I'll just act like nothing happened :uhoh:

yeah, but technically she already appears through that form, and going by that - Arf and the Lieze twins too had appeared.

[krisslanza]

Don't forget Suzuka and Arisa :heh:

[Dark Wing]

Don't forget Suzuka and Arisa :heh:

Those two should have been made into mages. I would've love to see them fight side by side with Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate. :cool:

[Xellos-_^]

Those two should have been made into mages. I would've love to see them fight side by side with Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate. :cool:


I can already see Hayate with her Power Range cosplay :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Those two should have been made into mages. I would've love to see them fight side by side with Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate. :cool:

There's already too many characters, leaving them out is a better choice, fanbase-wise, than killing them off.

[krisslanza]

Yes StrikerS is very character heavy for a rather 'short' series so to speak. Hard to give everyone a fair share of screentime... I'd like to actually see Arf again, and see Zafira in this 'puppy' form he was supposed to have learned from Arf.

[Nightengale]

Yes StrikerS is very character heavy for a rather 'short' series so to speak. Hard to give everyone a fair share of screentime... I'd like to actually see Arf again, and see Zafira in this 'puppy' form he was supposed to have learned from Arf.

lol everyone a fair share. :heh:

Anyway, rewatch A's epilogue for your puppy Zafira. There's your puppy form there, for all of less than 5 seconds. And probably the last time we'll ever see it too.

[krisslanza]

He should be a puppy around Vivio! XD
Or something. I figured he'd be a puppy in StrikerS if he wasn't doing anything... Oh well. I'd actually prefer seeing Arf over puppy Zafira... :heh:

[Jimmy C]

I just had a thought: If the GC towers are going down in the next 2 eps, that means the "wings" have been revived already. At least, they'll be revived in ep 16.

[Seiryuu]

I only know two things so far:
1. The look on Ginga's face when she heard about the big scrimmage is a true classic worthy of my growing hall of fame.
2. I feel fairly certain now that Fate's proclamation that she would also be Vivio's "mama" was not in any way meant as some sort of pseudo-marriage bond. It was simply Fate's way of stepping in and reminding Nanoha that she gets first dibs on all chibis at their base. Something like "What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine. Deal with it." That's part of what makes women so frightening, once they have some experience a cold declaration of war can be made to look like an earnest display of affection.

[krisslanza]

Shhhh stop being in denial :uhoh:

Yes we know just because both Nanoha and Fate are Vivio's mama doesn't really imply anything, it's just a little unusual that's all :heh:

[Kazu-kun]

2. I feel fairly certain now that Fate's proclamation that she would also be Vivio's "mama" was not in any way meant as some sort of pseudo-marriage bond. It was simply Fate's way of stepping in and reminding Nanoha that she gets first dibs on all chibis at their base. Something like "What's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine. Deal with it." That's part of what makes women so frightening, once they have some experience a cold declaration of war can be made to look like an earnest display of affection.

Such a frightening imagination you have. It was fanservice for the NF crowd. Deal with it.

[krisslanza]

I'm pretty sure it's not just fanservice, I have a feeling it's meant to have us grow attachment/like towards Vivio... Then something bad will happen. :uhoh:

That's what my intuition says anyway. That and I hate to think anything is add purely for a fanservice reason.

[Chaos2Frozen]

lol everyone a fair share. :heh:

Heh, 'fair'... That's a good one indeed.. :D


Anyway, rewatch A's epilogue for your puppy Zafira. There's your puppy form there, for all of less than 5 seconds. And probably the last time we'll ever see it too.

For good reason, apparently he was overwhelmed during one of the A's sound stage when he was what on a walk with Vita :p

[Kazu-kun]

I'm pretty sure it's not just fanservice, I have a feeling it's meant to have us grow attachment/like towards Vivio... Then something bad will happen. :uhoh:

That's what my intuition says anyway. That and I hate to think anything is add purely for a fanservice reason.

Yeah, but only-Nanoha and Vivio development would be enough to "have us grow attachment/like towards Vivio". Adding Fate to the deal is , like I said, fanservice for the FN fans.

[krisslanza]

How is it fanservice just for us? The two live in the same room and both probably want to take care of kids.
Sounds more like convience. Until they start like. Kissing or something, I don't think anything is really fanservice. This just adds nice fanfiction ideas and such.

[Adr 00]

Actually Caro could have just left the table and thusly not eating the carrot.Or trick Erio/Teana/subaru/anyone else nearby to look away and place the carrot on their plate.

:p:p

[Kazu-kun]

How is it fanservice just for us? The two live in the same room and both probably want to take care of kids.
Sounds more like convience. Until they start like. Kissing or something, I don't think anything is really fanservice. This just adds nice fanfiction ideas and such.

You have a wrong idea of what fanservice is. Things that are not completely neccesary in relation to the plot or character developmet may be fanservice. It doesn't have to be anything related to pairing and such. Every series has some degree of fanservice. There's nothing wrong with it; you said it yourself, it "adds nice fanfiction ideas and such".

For example, Yuno's appearance was fanservice because it didn't add anything relevant to the plot. But you saw the reaction in the NY fanbase, didn't you? That's the real reason behind this kind of scenes.

EDIT: If you want to know more about ir take a look at the wiki article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanservice

[krisslanza]

Yes I'll agree on the Yuuno thing, actually I was going to bring that up for some reason I lost while I was taking a bath, but I don't think Fate being Vivio's mama as well is purely for fanservice.

I don't think Vivio would have the same impact if she only had one parent, it makes it comedic having to see the ways Fate and Nanoha view mothering. But I'll admit, my own opinion is heavily biased and I'm going to be very stubborn about this :heh:

[FlareKnight]

Well I guess if you look at it from the two of them sharing a room it'd be kinda silly for one to take a parental role. And the one who had already done something similar (Fate) just sit pat and not get involved, after all she really does like kids. But hey at the same time it can of course give the NF fanbase more than enough things to talk about get excited about the two being parents.

Curious though about where things will go. Building that relationship with Vivio has to be more than that. Kinda funny how when she was first found by Erio and Caro I was expecting her to be somewhat of a serious character. But ending up as a real child like that.

[Kazu-kun]

I don't think Vivio would have the same impact if she only had one parent, it makes it comedic having to see the ways Fate and Nanoha view mothering. But I'll admit, my own opinion is heavily biased and I'm going to be very stubborn about this :heh:

It's actually kinda funny because that's one of the elements that makes these scenes to be fanservice. :heh: I think, though, that it may have some impact character-wise in the long run.


But I'll admit, my own opinion is heavily biased and I'm going to be very stubborn about this :heh:

Yeah, I figured it. It's ok though.

EDIT: yeah, let's move onto a more on-topic discussion (I didn't want to make another post just for this ^^)

[krisslanza]

So! Let's move onto a less... controversial topic? :heh:

[Adr 00]

So! Let's move onto a less... controversial topic? :heh:

Something like ways on how Caro could have avoid eating the carrot?

[krisslanza]

Yes! Perfect! A harmless non controversial topic XD
Although I'm not sure. I love carrots. :uhoh:

[Kazu-kun]

Curious though about where things will go. Building that relationship with Vivio has to be more than that. Kinda funny how when she was first found by Erio and Caro I was expecting her to be somewhat of a serious character. But ending up as a real child like that.

I wonder what will be Vivio's role in the storyline. Is she the king everyone is talking about?

[Adr 00]

Yes! Perfect! A harmless non controversial topic XD
Although I'm not sure. I love carrots. :uhoh:

1.She could lie and say:im sorry,im full,cant eat anymore
2.She could just walk away from the table
3.She could just distract everyone to look away and hide or run away
4.She could just ask Fried to eat it for her
5.She could just throw it away or offer it to someone else.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I wonder what will be Vivio's role in the storyline. Is she the king everyone is talking about?

I'm almost certain about that.

[krisslanza]

'The king'? XD
She certainly has some big important role. That shall be revealed in due time... *Ominous music*

[Nightengale]

Well, I dunno about Vivio being the King in the prophecy or whatever...

But it seems likely that Vivio is the Sei-Oh (( Saint/Holy King/Emperor, whatever )) that was specifically mentioned by the Numbers. Sure, they were talking as if it wasn't confirmed, but just judging by Vivio's presence in the story thus far...for her to turn out to not be the talked about "material", special existence...would seriously derail the whole pace.

And with 11 episodes left and still a number of unresolved subplots...they need to be fast. Gurren Lagann/Gunbuster fast...okay, maybe not that fast, but they seriously can't take their sweet time like they did with the last 3 episodes.

[krisslanza]

Oh that prophecy. I didn't even know what that scene was since I don't know more then basic Japanese... ._.;

[Adr 00]

And with 11 episodes left and still a number of unresolved subplots...they need to be fast. Gurren Lagann/Gunbuster fast...okay, maybe not that fast, but they seriously can't take their sweet time like they did with the last 3 episodes.

I knew it! TRIAD WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE SHOW WAS GOING TO SUCK!:upset::upset:

[LoweGear]

^

I don't know whether you're joking, or just trying to piss us off...

[krisslanza]

I-I'm not really sure either... I get mad enough at a close friend whenever he says StrikerS sucks. Imagine what happens when strangers say it. <_<

[Adr 00]

^

I don't know whether you're joking, or just trying to piss us off...

Note the sad emote.Iam worried!

ps.did anyone think when caro gave her carrot,would Erio think its a token of love?

[LoweGear]

Note the sad emote.Iam worried!

ps.did anyone think when caro gave her carrot,would Erio think its a token of love?

There's still 11 episodes left you know... and besides, character introductions are complete as of this episode. The real stuff begins now.

[krisslanza]

Bringing up Triad is a bad though. That was a pitifully poor excuse to drop a show when you don't even wait until the halfway point. I don't even judge video games until I've played them enough, judging StrikerS based purely on the opening training episodes is just... Wrong.

But let's move along. I'm sleepy so my patience is somewhat inhibited, along with my common sense.

[Tokkan]

I knew it! TRIAD WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE SHOW WAS GOING TO SUCK!:upset::upset:

Not from what I've seen of spoilers for upcoming episodes... :heh:

[Adr 00]

There's still 11 episodes left you know... and besides, character introductions are complete as of this episode. The real stuff begins now.


11 episodes may not be enough with so many subplots.

ps.sigh,then again Erio's wont have any character development.

[Chaos2Frozen]

11 episodes may not be enough with so many subplots.


Exactly how many.

[Kazu-kun]

Exactly how many.

You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something useful (and that make sense) instead?

EDIT: on topic:

I think 11 episodes are enough if they begin to develop the plot in the next episode.

[Chaos2Frozen]

You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something usefull (and that make sense) instead?

EDIT: on topic:

I think 11 episodes are enough if they begin to develop the plot in the next episode.

You're a real piece of work you know that?

11 episodes may not be enough with so many subplots.


I was asking the how many subplots. His 'may' was refering to the 11 episodes.

[LoweGear]

You make no sense, you know? He said "may", therefore he don't know "exactly". Why don't you ask something useful (and that make sense) instead?



Chaos was referring to the number of subplots Adr was talking about, not the "may".

[Kazu-kun]

I was asking the how many subplots. His 'may' was refering to the 11 episodes.

My mistake, sorry. However, that doesn't mean your question was meaningful or even relevant. You just wanted to bug Adr 00.

Anyway, this will escalate to something quite troublesome if I don't stop here. Let's move on.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Apology accepted. However, that doesn't mean my question wasn't meaningful or not relevant. You just wanted to see it that way.

Anyway, this will escalate to something quite troublesome if I don't stop here. Let's move on.

Does anyone have a layout of the Number's combat position base on their individual speciality?

And how many subplots are there.

[Nightengale]

Does anyone have a layout of the Number's combat position base on their individual speciality?

And how many subplots are there.

I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

thats a long list of subplots in this series...but the overall main plot is the relic's case.

I don't know if this counts but I guess I'll suggest it to add it on to that list.
How about the case of Subaru and Ginga's mother's death?
seemed like at the end of episode 14, Ginga looks like she wants to find out who killed her mother and get revenge.
So pretty much,
Ginga/Subaru:
-Who killed their mother and how is it related to the relics case.

[Adr 00]

I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.


See guys?there's so many and yet so little time.

[Darco_emp]

I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.

Nice summary on points many of the key points so far :).

Still alot of things listed above ties in quite well together so there is a good chance that everything gets cover. Also Nanoha production team likes to throw things in air to throw people off , like the possibility of destruction of devices in A's which like Caro's serking dragon may never happen.

[Thisguy]

Actually Caro could have just left the table and thusly not eating the carrot.Or trick Erio/Teana/subaru/anyone else nearby to look away and place the carrot on their plate.Point is that Caro decided to have it herself, because of Hayate's "disliking won't make you beauty like N&F".
Erio even asked her what she's gonna do, clearly willing to accept it if she chose to do so :rolleyes:

@Nighty
Actually, while having break time at my work, I got something like...Uno: No, I am your mother.
Subaru: NOOOOOOOOOOO!... I blame the ultra-high temperature of my work-place :heh:

Edit:
Now that think about it, Marie was giving Nakajima sisters an usual "medical check"... Why Marie?
She is more of "technician", like she's been looking after Aces' device for 10 years, so I can't really think why she has to do that when Shamal is around in RF6.
With "Wing Road is an inherent magic of Subaru (or Nakajima's)" from latest comic, I can't help myself imagining some artifical factor within them as well...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Seen the episode today. Not bad of an episode...Subaru vs. Ginga sparring fight was interesting.:D


-Training session with the instructor and a special guest, Ginga!
-Subaru vs. Ginga. That was an awesome fight. Both of them had the same type of fighting style and both of them are POWERFUL!:twitch:
-Too bad, we didn't get to see the forwards plus Ginga go against the instructors...would have been an amazing sight to see, but would have taken up the whole episode though:heh:...so i guess it was best we weren't shown what went down in the fight.
-Zafira still doing babysitting duty, but by him doing this, he is getting screen time though:heh:
-Nanoha letting Vivio get up on her own after tripping from running. I dont think it was a bad thing to do. Well for one thing, Vivio's has got to learn from your own mistakes and so getting up on your own after falling down means that you're learning and maturing more instead of relying on others to help you out all the time. Of course, Fate went up to Vivio and helped her up.
-What was up with Caro taking Erio's carrot?!...either she was stealing from his plate or was trying to feed Erio...hmmm...
-Regius' plan involving Einjahar. (is that how you spell it?:heh:)
I've played Valkyrie Profile and they mentioned this concept alot in that game...a bit off topic but Einjahar are spirits that have fallen in combat and come join Valkyries in their battles as soldiers. I wonder how this will play out in future episodes...
-Scaglietti sure has alot of drones ready for battle....and more numbers!! Now I'm really lost, but uh, the ones in the tubes aren't fully awake yet, so I'm guessing all those test tubes must mean there are more numbers on the way or maybe thats it for the numbers...all together 12 numbers and each with the spanish word of their respected number name.
-Scaglietti having an orgasm when he was looking at his drones...weird doctor:heh:...I guess he finally found out how to create a drone that will last pretty long in battle.:heh:
-NAKED SUBARU AND GINGA!!!:twitch:...I wonder why they had to get scanned for....and it was nice to see that they spent the whole day together.:) Although Ginga still looks like she wants to solve the murder of her mother's death.
-At the end of the episode, there was something being typed out...anyone know what it said?
-Preview for the next episode, seems like another big battle is coming and everyone seems to be alert about Scaglietti's plans...episode 16 is part one...we will be getting another big battle and hopefully, as everyone mostly predicted, we get the new opening theme in episode 16!


for the new ending theme, I will have to get used to listening to the new song "beautiful amulet"...nice song, but "Hoshizora no spica" is still in my head.
Not to mention, looks like Nanoha is back in the "secret garden" in this new ending.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!

[Adr 00]

Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!


Look,1 can be coved within conversations during the Episodes isnt a problem.But im afraid that if 2 and 3 are settled,there may not be room for 4.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Look,1 can be coved within conversations during the Episodes isnt a problem.But im afraid that if 2 and 3 are settled,there may not be room for 4.

You're confused about the focus of things. I didn't arrange them according to order of importance.

The prophecy, is the whole mess that is put into motion because of Jail and Lutecia's hunting of Relics.

The very first thing they'll tackle is in fact, the obvious enemy and his plans. Definately they'll have to confront both Jail and Lutecia about their intentions. However, inbetween there is the issue of what the Ground Forces are planning behind everybody's back.

Which then somehow all of this would be toss together into the plot-pot to stir up the prophecy which would be explained by their actions.

[Nightengale]

Actually, it's not really alot.

Look, the main points are:

1, Prophecy - Church's and Navy's business
2, Eihenjar affair - Ground Forces
3, Project F/ Numbers development - Jail
4, Relic - Team Lutecia

Individual character development goes hand in hand with the main points, that means by going through one of them, you'll more or less settle a number of character's.

For example, Subaru/Ginga, Erio and Fate- deal with Jail and you'll get their answer.

And some things would probably just be taken as it is, like why 3 ancient Velka users? Because they only found 3!

Well, I personally don't doubt that the subplots can be covered. Like I said, a lot of them already overlap by nature, and in the hands of a skilled writer, it can overlap even more.

But remember our whole "current pace" talk? Like how many episodes it took in general to resolve Teana's subplot, or the latest 3 episodes used as nothing but the calm, calm, calm before the storm along with more background related plot developments? I think the fears that some elements may feel rushed more so than the rest, etc is justified. I'd rather not worry and let things go as they go, but it's not like the complaints are not very biased.

Well, that's something for another thread. I just generally list out the minute-details of the subplots for the characters in general as requested. The main plot point...was well your 4-point stuff.

And to be honest, I don't really think Eihenjar will be all that big of a deal as far as it sounds. I REALLY REALLY doubt they'll introduce MORE characters at this stage... and even if they do, they'll probably WTFPWNed by the Numbers to fuel the Numbers hype...since they obviously can't let the Numbers kill off any important characters this early. Even those like Vice.

@thisguy

Actually, when I heard that Ginga/Subaru's mom was involved the the War Humanoids thing, my first thought was "lol their mom is going to pull a Darth Vader as a Number or something"...then it kinda dawned that...maybe their mom was a War Humanoid or something... then all sorts of crack start pouring into my brain, I stopped the overflow.

Then yeah, with the Marie thing, the strange medical check-up condition (( Shamal's room... I don't see any scanner thing )) and the ominious cutting to the Numbers... holy shite, could it BE?!?!?!? :eyespin:

I still think I'm mildly on crack, but it's something that did cross my mind as far as theories go last episode. :heh:

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

yea what was up with that medical check up on Subaru and Ginga...I wonder if that has anything to do with anything right now...hmmm, but that theory of Subaru and Ginga's mom being a number herself...now that would be a twist to find out the results of that scan...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well, that's something for another thread. I just generally list out the minute-details of the subplots for the characters in general as requested. The main plot point...was well your 4-point stuff.

Yeah I noe I noe... I was just responding to Adr 00's paranoia...

You know how I feel about it.



@thisguy

I still think I'm mildly on crack, but it's something that did cross my mind as far as theories go last episode. :heh:

So you're body naturally produces crack eh...?

That would explain the 'Exotic' taste :D

[Darco_emp]

yea what was up with that medical check up on Subaru and Ginga...I wonder if that has anything to do with anything right now...hmmm, but that theory of Subaru and Ginga's mom being a number herself...now that would be a twist to find out the results of that scan...

I really wonder how did things develop to this state with a simple medical check up :heh:...

Given they are pick up the pacing of things, I wonder if there will be many further personal relationship devlopments after action part of the plot starts to kicks in. I could see some downsides to put most air time to unresolved issues...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

I really wonder how did things develop to this state with a simple medical check up :heh:...

Given they are pick up the pacing of things, I wonder if there will be many further personal relationship devlopments after action part of the plot starts to kicks in. I could see some downsides to put most air time to unresolved issues...

well its just a theory for now...

with 11 episodes to go, I think there is alot of time left to resolve or explain all these subplots being shot at us in this series.
Its time for battle and I guess an all out war.
Einjahar that are under Regius' command. This could get ugly as Einjahar are referred to spirits that were chosen by Valkyries to become soldiers for them in a war. Einjahar can be referred to the "the dead will dance" part in the Prophecy.
Numbers and Scaglietti's army of drones...alot of them.
Not to mention, we still need an explanation from Lutecia herself on why Vivio seems so important in this relic case...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Not to mention, we still need an explanation from Lutecia herself on why Vivio seems so important in this relic case...

Wrong person to ask. I'm guessing that she probably doesn't know or care about what the doctor and his Numbers want with Vivio.

What you should be asking her is what exactly does the numbers on the relic represent? And why is the Eleventh so vitally important to her?

[aroduc]

I swear, the better raws are taking longer and longer to show up these days. :(

On the other hand...

Ahhhhh~
http://blog.seiha.org/images/strikers15/strikers15%20(56).jpg

And Vita's found someone else's can to leer at. :P
http://blog.seiha.org/images/strikers15/strikers15%20(3).jpg

[Estavali]

Edited: Nevermind.... I must be too sleepy these days.

[Seiryuu]

Concerning the prophecy, doesn't it just say "from the king" or "below the king" or something? I don't think the king is an active role. I prefer to think it refers to a dead royal line or a past king who'd brought death and turmoil to his people.
As far as carrots, I don't see why Caro would avoid eating it. It seems pretty obvious to me that she ate it not out of embarrassment but out of a reluctant desire to grow into a beauty Erio can't take his eyes off of.

[Ottocycle]

Einjahar that are under Regius' command. This could get ugly as Einjahar are referred to spirits that were chosen by Valkyries to become soldiers for them in a war. Einjahar can be referred to the "the dead will dance" part in the Prophecy.
Numbers and Scaglietti's army of drones...alot of them.


Nice link pointed out there. Are we staring at a potential Tiida appearance?

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

yea, well I got to learn about Einjahars thanks to Valkyrie Profile Silmeria...a little off topic though sorry:heh:

but yea thats what Einjahars were used for...but I've been watching the fansub of episode 12 and the Numbers are heavily referring Vivio as "material"...and Quattro pointed out that even though she was hit by the buster, she would not die as she would be the "vessel of the saints".
Now, "material" can mean a lot of things, but I think Vivio has a power that can create living things out of the non-living..."vessel of the saints", with Quattro calling her that, I'm not too sure, but she could be the "king" in this prophecy.

lets see now, the only thing we haven't found out yet is how Regius will activate these Einjahars that he has up his sleeve. I'm thinking that maybe Vivio might be related to this, but we still haven't gotten a clue on what her powers or purpose could be though...I guess I can just call this theory a speculation.
A crazy thought, but Vivio could be a Valkyrie.

[Kha]

I : Unknown (( clearly the most senior ))
II : Unknown
III : Speed (( should be offensive, but support type or combat type unknown. ))
IV : Illusionist (( rear support ))
V : Unknown
VI : Deep Diver (( sneak-attack/recon? ))
VII : Unknown
VIII : Unknown
IX : Close Combat (( front-liner, style unknown. ))
X : Sniper (( long-range power-shooter ))
XI : Close Combat ((... Pincer Shield? frontliner ))
XII : Unknown

Nanoha :
- Past injury/Quatrro/Affliation with Numbers
Fate/Elio :
-Project F
Hayate :
- RF6 Leader responsibility/possible death flag/possible prophecy involvement
Subaru/Ginga :
- YOU KILLED MY MOTHER! No...I am your mother.
Teana:
-....over?
Caro:
- Voltaire, the Black Dragon.
- Possible berserking dragon.
Wolkenritter :
- None, Vita possibly with the Nanoha one.
Vice :
- Former mage lol?
Saint Church:
- So...why 3 Ancient Belka users? Surely there had to be...something.
- Prophecy Revelation/Truth
TSAB :
-SEELE! Internal right-wing faction.
- Regius/Ground/Eihenjar affair
- 3 Admirals...maybe?
Scaglietti Faction:
- Numbers
- WHAT THE HELL ARE RELICS?
- Material/King
- Why are you doing this?
Lutecia:
-Specific relic search
-Reason
-Background
Zest:
- I dunno? Something? Why's he Knight?
Agito:
Either they'll explain more or be done with it.
Client:
Who...are...you?

If there's more, most of them probably ties in mildly to the rest overall. Vivio is related to King/material, and stuff like that. Even with this list, some things can be tied in accordingly depending on how the story plays out.0_0 I'm so gonna use this as a checklist for fanon extension!

*saves*Well, I personally don't doubt that the subplots can be covered. Like I said, a lot of them already overlap by nature, and in the hands of a skilled writer, it can overlap even more.

But remember our whole "current pace" talk? Like how many episodes it took in general to resolve Teana's subplot, or the latest 3 episodes used as nothing but the calm, calm, calm before the storm along with more background related plot developments? I think the fears that some elements may feel rushed more so than the rest, etc is justified. I'd rather not worry and let things go as they go, but it's not like the complaints are not very biased.

Well, that's something for another thread. I just generally list out the minute-details of the subplots for the characters in general as requested. The main plot point...was well your 4-point stuff.

And to be honest, I don't really think Eihenjar will be all that big of a deal as far as it sounds. I REALLY REALLY doubt they'll introduce MORE characters at this stage... and even if they do, they'll probably WTFPWNed by the Numbers to fuel the Numbers hype...since they obviously can't let the Numbers kill off any important characters this early. Even those like Vice.

@thisguy

Actually, when I heard that Ginga/Subaru's mom was involved the the War Humanoids thing, my first thought was "lol their mom is going to pull a Darth Vader as a Number or something"...then it kinda dawned that...maybe their mom was a War Humanoid or something... then all sorts of crack start pouring into my brain, I stopped the overflow.

Then yeah, with the Marie thing, the strange medical check-up condition (( Shamal's room... I don't see any scanner thing )) and the ominious cutting to the Numbers... holy shite, could it BE?!?!?!? :eyespin:

I still think I'm mildly on crack, but it's something that did cross my mind as far as theories go last episode. :heh:Nighty, you're really starting to influence me, for I though of that too. Funny how everything began when you sold me the Siglio crack pair. :eyespin:

Anyway, if Mrs Nakajima turns out to be resurrected as a Number, it'll make my OC's experience canon-verified, and open up Chrno Crusade vibes. IF she was a Number to begin with, I'm gonna scream FULL METAL ALCHEMIST!!! -_-

[Adr 00]

As far as carrots, I don't see why Caro would avoid eating it. It seems pretty obvious to me that she ate it not out of embarrassment but out of a reluctant desire to grow into a beauty Erio can't take his eyes off of.

Maybe Caro has a hidden dislike for carrots?

And no,i doubt she can even think of a thought like that.Not to mention she's not so madly in love with Erio yet.She was probably eating it for fear of losing face.(If She was older,then the above reason could apply)

[krisslanza]

No offense, but I doubt either Erio or Caro are 'in love'. They are a bit young to truly understand what 'love' is. But there is no doubt they obviously have some pretty big crushes on one another :heh:

[Adr 00]

No offense, but I doubt either Erio or Caro are 'in love'. They are a bit young to truly understand what 'love' is. But there is no doubt they obviously have some pretty big crushes on one another :heh:

Finally a good description of the chemistry between them:D

[krisslanza]

Give or take a few years, they'll understand what crushes mean. Until then, they have no idea :heh:

Although it does make things really cute... :uhoh: