Higurashi Kai Episode 2 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

kj1980

2007-07-11, 11:30

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ADDITIONAL RULES FOR Higurashi no Naku Koroni Kai

If you want, feel free to utilize the info on the English wikipedia article for Higurashi no Naku Koroni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni), TIPS section (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31732), Frederica Bernkastel's Poems (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31811), Your Qs Answered (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=36602) and Putting the Pieces Together Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=36807) as a complement to this series.

If you know what's going to happen because you read the above said info, please post in the Higurashi Discussion (for people who have read the clues) (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=37159) thread.

Otherwise, feel free to share your theories and speculations. In fact, I encourage you to do so as this is what makes this series interesting.

Cerollian

2007-07-11, 13:41

haven't seen it but hear its good.

Enerccio

2007-07-12, 12:38

Yay, airing today... if times haven't changed from last week, it is only 23 mins away :D:D:D:D

Klashikari

2007-07-12, 15:40

This episode is most likely much like how eggplant described in the other thread.

superficial summary (no there isn't any RAW file yet) :

The start is quite mysterious. rika is drinking her wine, while talking with someone. Satoko woke up, thought that rika was chatting with someone, but Rika answers with her letal "Mi~" and confirm they are only alone the both of them. Next morning, satoko is injecting herself some vitamins, but doesn't understand why she always has to do that
School ! Both chibiko are greeting Chie-sensei. Keiichi arrived, but it is finally the apparition of the "trap" joke seen in trailer 1. Then Keiichi and Satoko are "fighting". Keiichi is quite impressive, since he is able to dodge all satoko's traps. However, Shion intervenes, and satoko profits. The end is much like what you have seen on trailer 1 : satoko flees towards the door and keiichi throws the cloth... which hits chie-sensei :heh:
Lunch break : nothing really particular. Satoko hates cabbage, but Shion and Rika cheer her up. Rika acts like a mother and do the "ahhn". Rena enters into her omochikaeri mode ^^
Activity ! zombie game. Satoko lost on the janken pon, and so, she must count to 100. however, keiichi intervenes and added some rules, which disturb a lot satoko. after a while, satoko realizes that keiichi tricked her and start dashing like mad.

Keiichi is able to hude himself quite well. However, various classmates search for keiichi, and saying various things which made keiichi react. First things like his mother/father searching for him, however, it quickly turns into some things strange, and keiichi clearly understood it is a trap. however, his pride took a serious blow. (he didn't really enjoyed his victory against mion, considering his tears ^^")
Rena meets up with Rika in front of the storage where keiichi was hidden. Rena assume rika isn't a zombie, and ask the status and wherabouts of Mion and Shion. Rena is wondering where is keiichi, however, she notices that rika approches her and she begins to panick. Rika is indeed a zombie. Things are desperate until Rena noticed Keiichi through the window of the door, pleading for help :heh:
unfortunaltely, Rena shifted everyone's attention to keiichi, who is trapped like a rat in his cage. The 4 zombies are forcing the door (which is the Red door in the trailer 1:heh:). Keiichi is desperate and asks help from Rena... who is running away :heh:
Keiichi is done for, and everyone search for Rena. Rika spotted her, and she is cornered. Keiichi is going to punish her with the "zombie" attack, but Rena gave up, and accepts if it is Keiichi (her pose and expression are absurdly moe and sexy :love:). Keiichi is completely a boner, and everyone comment about this absolute "countermeasure".
Things are done, the ring bells, so Rena won :heh:. Everyone blame keiichi ^^" (oshioki nano desu, oshioki nano desu). Mion reveal that today winners are Rena... but also Shion and MIon who tricked everyone.
Everyone go back home, satoko rika and Keiichi are under punishment game. Rena turns into Kaii mode, and Irie pop from NOWHERE entering also in his fetish mode :heh:
Takano and Tomitake join them (in this chapter, Keiichi doesn't know either of them), and irie introduce them to Keiichi. They are commenting about tommy who is going to go at the festival, however... Takano is commenting about expecting fun things with the murders... which turn the mood PRETTY bad. Keiichi doesn't understand and Takano goes on with her explanations, but Irie stops her, especially considering Satoko and Rika.
Later on, Everyone of the gang explain to keiichi, and mion was sorry that they didn't inform him. this is a big change since keiichi doesn't mind, understand pretty well why they did it and smile.
Satoko and Rika are going to have dinner, but satoko notices that rika is acting strange recently. Rika assures her that she is always herself. Satoko then says that if she has any problem, friends are there in case. this comment make rika reacting immediately, rememberance of Tsumihoroboshi and Keiichi's Speech for rena at the junkyard. She asks if satoko remembers about something or how did she know this... unfortunately she doesn't know and rika is disappointed, though she tries to hide it...superficial thoughts (complete episode)

I'm extremely glad that "present" days are finally back. The start is pretty much great, since they are mixing various things such like "my favourit wine" TIPS and some things from other TIPS and Minagoroshi (mention of "miracle")
I feared the most with the return of "DEEN FACES" but this time they work well, and they added much more humorous facial expressions. the new "drawing style" humour score perfectly, especially how keiichi's gang are hyper.

the animation is really constant, and beat the crap of first episodes of season1

This new style is extremely effective on the second part, which made the Zombie fest completely hilarous.
and the introduction of Batsu Game punishments (cosplay *_*) with Irie fetish was great.

i liked the change of this chapter concerning how keiichi learns the truth, and the trust gauge is extremely high.
I'm really waiting a lot for the "everything turns bad" moment of this chapter

Enerccio

2007-07-12, 15:44

yeah, me toooo
darn, they are so slow while uploading to nico:upset::upset::upset:

Yay finished, great ep ^^

Shiosai

2007-07-12, 16:32

The zombie game was really well done, and actually looked like a game school students might play. That one maneuver Rena pulled was hilarious.

It looks like this arc is focusing on Satoko. She seemed to recall some memories from another story arc and Rika is concerned.

Klashikari

2007-07-12, 17:44

Don't forget that next episode... it is Kameda-kun show ! this is going to be madness :heh:

Deathkillz

2007-07-12, 18:08

klash is so uber he has already made a very (understatement) entry on the blog :)

Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Kai, Episode 2 : Yakusamashi-hen 1, Oni Gokko (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-2-yakusamashi-hen-1-oni-gokko/)

screen caps will follow soon when the raw comes out ^.^

edit: the screen caps are up :)

Kazuki_Kun

2007-07-12, 18:32

The raw is out. <3

Onniguru

2007-07-12, 20:35

Holy rapidly appearing raws, Batman!

There are so many out already, that the best one Im selecting won't even need a re-encode...its fine as-is.

Rias

2007-07-12, 20:43

Lots of good scenes in this episode, and zombie tag is done quite well. Espically with Rena's petrify magic.

Now that Keiichi has avoided the flag for Onikakushi-hen, I wonder how things will turn out once Jihou-san (Tomitake) does his usual thing...

I don't know if having Minagoroshi-hen elements (very very minor) in Yakusamashi-hen is a good thing or not, but currently it hasn't done much harm...

aroduc

2007-07-12, 21:44

Lots of really funky art and animation this ep which makes for some funny capping. :-P

Spoiler for caps
http://blog.seiha.org/sagematt/higurashikai2/higurashikai2%20(9).jpg http://blog.seiha.org/sagematt/higurashikai2/higurashikai2%20(15).jpg http://blog.seiha.org/sagematt/higurashikai2/higurashikai2%20(37).jpg

Full set
http://blog.seiha.org/?p=189

maymay

2007-07-12, 21:54

aww satoko's adorable^_^ can't wait to see it!!

kj1980

2007-07-12, 23:47

Shiosai

2007-07-13, 04:21

Furthermore, I give another plus for the consistency of the true Higurashi feel - the humourous "horror" that Kei felt being attacked by the "zombies" are something that is exactly what Ryukishi07 would write up as a prologue to things to come.
Thanks kj, that's the vibe I was getting, but I couldn't put it into words. :)

Oh and, (as always?) the preview for episode 3 is at:
http://www.oyashirosama.com/web/kai/onair/index.htm

Ottocycle

2007-07-13, 06:05

I'm one satisfied viewer. I loved the hints of hope that they're giving over the course of the episode and its happy mood, just that Rika was so jaded about it all she wasn't taking any chances.

And even though the zombie-tag was primarily intended to be humorous, it gave off a subtle hint of the creepyness that was usually characteristic of a chapter's later stages. Especially at the door with the red aura, outstretched hands and all. Wonder why.

Kudos to the sequence's execution for combining the 2 ends of a chapter in that though.

Klashikari

2007-07-13, 06:42

The great thing that I especially like about the new "style" of storytelling is that not only it includes elements of the TIPs that were not shown in the first season, but it also expresses symbolisms here and there (i.e.: zombie-gokko, subtle quotes from Kei and Satoko, friendship between Shion and Mion).
so true. This will be extremely critical with various "intense" scenes later on.

Furthermore, I give another plus for the consistency of the true Higurashi feel - the humourous "horror" that Kei felt being attacked by the "zombies" are something that is exactly what Ryukishi07 would write up as a prologue to things to come.
you nailed the point here :heh:
Question though : the zombie tag wasn't already on Onikakushi-hen?

Oh well, finally got the raw, and it is much easier to listen, instead of nico heh...
Some comments added and of course, crapload of screencaps (150 to be accurate :heh:)

I hope they will keep going on this pace, the story telling is really much more efficient ^__^

MarthX

2007-07-13, 07:36

Someone uploaded the episode 3 preview on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqQBJulmueY

Tatarigoroshi version two?

Akabane_Kun

2007-07-13, 08:06

Someone uploaded the episode 3 preview on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqQBJulmueY

Tatarigoroshi version two?

Well yakusamashi is supose to interweave scenes from the question arcs so i guess its normal to see scenes that ressemble those arcs.

Klashikari

2007-07-13, 08:09

Mr Fist

2007-07-13, 08:39

Yes, this is Kameda-Kun, which they skipped from tatarigoroshi !
And they will take the opportunity to add Satoko's past as well.

I hope they will somehow cover Mion and Shion past (and why not keiichi, whi wasn't really finely done in Tsumihoroboshi...)

I hope they do cover Keiichi's past.

For some strange reason, I really want to see him where he's shooting children with the model gun. It shows his steps from hooligan (depending on what I'm talking about) to his now mature mood...

blitz1/2

2007-07-13, 09:04

Thanks kj, that's the vibe I was getting, but I couldn't put it into words. :)

Oh and, (as always?) the preview for episode 3 is at:
http://www.oyashirosama.com/web/kai/onair/index.htm

The preview sucks compared to season 1. I don't want comedy, I want suspense!!!

Rias

2007-07-13, 09:41

I like the new previews...it's actually funny with a side of darkness to it...

"Shi - Shi and Mi's kugegegege"

Kazuki_Kun

2007-07-13, 10:36

Thanks kj, that's the vibe I was getting, but I couldn't put it into words. :)

Oh and, (as always?) the preview for episode 3 is at:
http://www.oyashirosama.com/web/kai/onair/index.htm

( I can hardly speak Japanese) But aren't they saying all the things Higurashi stands for? ( the " Hi- Hinamizawa" thing was cute) XD

Klashikari

2007-07-13, 10:38

It really look like Rika and Hanyuu were playing some shiritori with each particle of the title "higurashi no naku koro ni".

that is however only wild guess.

does anyone can also post what is the romaji name of ep3?

Davidj

2007-07-13, 12:51

Rika does not look her best in gym clothes. I think it's that freakishly large head.

MarthX

2007-07-13, 13:00

Another great episode.

I'm really enjoying Kai.

Sushi-Y

2007-07-13, 14:06

The episode shows the usual everyday fun life once again, but compared to the first season, this one is done much better, as it really drew out the personality of the characters much more this time around (ie. Keiichi's "Magician of Words" ability, and Irie's "Maid in Heaven" mode :heh: ).

The focus on Rika's two sides was done excellently as well. It's much more subtle and "natural" now.

Furthermore, I give another plus for the consistency of the true Higurashi feel
I agree, the feel that "there's more to this than what's on the surface" is what Higurashi always felt like for me. Comedy and serious scenes alike are all forshadows to something deeper.

Those of us who have finished the game (or people who have read the "putting together the pieces" thread) will know what Satoko's injection is all about, but for first timers, I can see how it can become another point of interest.

When Keiichi said he didn't mind about the strange death incidents = Onikakushi-hen avoided.

Shion's friendly alignment with Mion and Satoko = Watanagashi-hen avoided.

Looks like the number on the die is good this time around. But how long will it last...?
From the preview, it looks like they're incorporationg certain elements from other chapters into Yakusamashi as well (surprisingly, it seems they're actually putting some of Matsuribayashi-hen's pieces in there too. ie. attack on the Houjou family, the dropped coin purse, etc.).

The sakuga quality is amazing. Why couldn't it be like this the first time around?

あれはっ！対思春期少年用の石化魔法！！ :heh:

It really look like Rika and Hanyuu were playing some shiritori with each particle of the title "higurashi no naku koro ni".

that is however only wild guess.

does anyone can also post what is the romaji name of ep3?
It's a word composition play (ie. the "hi" in higurashi stands for "Hinamizawa", the "gu" in higurashi stands for.....).

Title of episode 3 is 無力 (muryoku), or powerless.

Davidj

2007-07-13, 14:20

Shion's friendly alignment with Mion and Satoko = Watanagashi-hen avoided.

I'm wondering how that happened. Did Rika somehow suggest to Shion that looking after Satoko would be the best thing she could for Satoshi's memory?

Sushi-Y

2007-07-13, 14:31

I'm wondering how that happened. Did Rika somehow suggest to Shion that looking after Satoko would be the best thing she could for Satoshi's memory?
This may be spoilerish, but I'll try to explain
At the end of Meakashi-hen (in the game at least), when Shion fell off the balcony, her mind finally cleared up. She realized that all she has done was wrong, and that she had forgotten about the most fundamental thing that Satoshi asked of her before his disappearance, which was to take care of Satoko.

Shion apologized to everyone and promised she would not do it again, and that she will never forget Satoshi's favor again.

This is somewhat similar to Tsumihoroboshi-hen's Keiichi becoming enlightened to his own mistakes in Onikakushi-hen.

In other words, although their "past experiences" doesn't exist as clear memory, everyone is slowly learning from their own mistakes.

aroduc

2007-07-13, 15:07

( I can hardly speak Japanese) But aren't they saying all the things Higurashi stands for? ( the " Hi- Hinamizawa" thing was cute) XD

They're playing a game. Hanyuu says "Higurashi no~" and then supplies a syllable, which Rika then completes. Pretty much the same as Pythagoras Switch's "Daddy Switch."
http://www.dailymotion.com/bookmarks/kuromegane/video/xhxsr_otousan-switch

Wendy Rena

2007-07-13, 23:14

The preview sucks compared to season 1. I don't want comedy, I want suspense!!!

lol XD

In the season 1, I loved the previews, specially when It was the "preview pic" (example: when the sonozaki twin's grandmom appears in the end of a episode of Meakashi-hen)

But, the higurashi kai's previews aren't so bad. It's funny to see and listen hanyu ("Higurashi no~" XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD)

better, I'm waiting the episode 2 with subtitles (english or spanish)

chrno_the_sinner

2007-07-14, 00:25

There is a subtitle script file up on a certain other torrent indexer, if you get my drift.

Pellissier

2007-07-14, 02:48

While I did like the previews of first season more, those of Kai aren't bad. What remains incomprehensible to me is, why not to include them at the end of the episodes. Are those 45 seconds really too much for the allowed air time ?

Anyway, after having seen episode 2, it can finally be said that Higurashi is back. Not just the old Higurashi, but a remodeled and refined new version. The tag isn't something completely new, but the way it was done this time was completely amazing.
It's surprising but also nice to see Shion siding with Satoko now, after the horror of Meakashi. It's also nice to have more "black Rika" ^^ . And finally a justice is given to graphics and animations.

As for the rest, more comedic than thrilling, much like other parts-1 of the first series' arcs. Just that this episode had a huge load of significant plus if compared to them.

dspr8_rugged

2007-07-14, 03:25

Great episode. Now THIS is the episode that I've been wanting to see.

Zombie tag's just hilarious. Rena blows off Keiichi's game... TWICE. :heh:

Akabane_Kun

2007-07-14, 04:02

Damn i just finish meakashi yesterday for the second time and now im seeing yakusamashi sub and damn its really akward to see all that shion satoko relationship,loved the zombie tag game reminds me whif my friends playing virus in timesplinters,and lolol i loved rena anti-pubescent male hardening technique hilarious:heh: .

Deathkillz

2007-07-14, 04:05

and here we go again...nice bright and sunny start which is sure to turn rotten like a bad apple within the next eps...such is the formula of suspense for this series :uhoh:
rena absolutely owned kenichi with her moe attack :heh: and those rumors about kenichi being a perv may not be all lies actually :3

DragoonKain3

2007-07-14, 06:58

First thing I noticed was that Hau or whatever their name now is translates
'Naraku no Hana' into 'Flower in Hell' rather than 'Flower in the Abyss'. I really prefer the latter, since it being less specific, it evokes more vivid imagery than the former. T_T

But as for the episode itself, it's gold!

This time it seems, Shion actually follows Satoshi's last words and looks out for Satoko. And boy does she, even to the point of feeding her everyday (albeit with what Satoko really despises lol). Although I do feel a bit sad; crazy!Shion from last season was absolute fun watching last time around. XD

And Rena able to get K1 hard just from her pose those short sweet words? She's a master alright... lol

Thing I noticed though is that they don't show an important yet bloody scene in the beginning of a chapter. I liked those, since it gives me something to look for, hehehehe. :heh:

Mueti

2007-07-14, 09:20

Higurashi is back!! After the first 2 eps I already firmly believe that this'll be just as great, if not even better than the first season.
YAY for Higurashi! *jumps around* :D

*Saving the "10"-votes for later eps.^^*

And I don't care for the previews. I NEVER watch them, whatever the show is. Spoilers are evil, no matter how small they may be.

Mystearika

2007-07-14, 10:29

the ep was funny :) cant wait to the next one

Miko Miko

2007-07-14, 11:07

i really liked that episode a lot more than the first episode. cant wait for episode 3.

Matrim

2007-07-14, 12:56

This episode was both extremely hilarious (Keiichi being framed as an underwear thief was pure gold) and very good setup for the presumably very dark part of this story arc. Comedy hinting at horrbile future (past?:)) events is not easy to pull off, hell most times even the mere combination of comedy and seriousness in a single series fails.

FireCooler

2007-07-14, 14:20

well... i cant understand why all of you are so contend. higurashi has always been so great for me because of its uniqeness. now it just feels like a comedy serie. ._.
im just missing all the conspirations and suspense. the preview didnt look like we could see some of this in the next episode either. (lets just hope we get to see some!)
uhhm...im kind of disappointed in the second season :-/ (or lets say, at least in the beginning of the sec season)

kozec

2007-07-14, 14:38

Klashikari

2007-07-14, 14:38

... that's because it is the unique trait of the character, right?
you do actually realise that they are teenagers, and they were innocent from the start right? (ho please, don't tell me there weren't any of these in season 1. And it does give justice, since that was ommitted by DEEN several times)

Suspense and Conspirations? the episode 1 was plenty enough i think, oh well.

I'm not gonna flame you, but at least, if you were expecting Higurashi as a gory or a "dumb" detective story, you didn't really get the story telling, and it will disappoint you again.

I'm just wondering how it can deserve a 1. i'm sure a 5-6 can be understand, with some constructive critic, but talking about a weird disappointement is a bit beyond my understandings.

The series only begun, and its essence was there (comedy, drama, suspsense, and all weirdness). what do you expect more of this?

Nemesis2124

2007-07-14, 14:40

I'm just glad I can actually enjoy the comedic sections this time around, rather than yawn as I wait for something interesting to happen.

Kisuke06

2007-07-14, 14:48

Things start well... and end bad, just how Higurashi is, hehe.

Rika used a unfair strategy, who could resist to that? :heh:

Also, the kids talking about Keiichi while he was listening was another good scene. :heh:

It was interesting that they used some TIPS(Rika's dialogue and Shion taking care of Satoko, the pumpkin scene). Also in the end of the episode Satoko saying those words and Rika 'freaking out' thinking that Satoko mays had remembered something.

Also, it looks like DEEN is doing a better job this time, the quality of the animation was very good.

Ice Climbers

2007-07-14, 16:42

Rika used a unfair strategy, who could resist to that? :heh:

Do you by any means mean Rena?? :D

Well, I thought that was a really great episode, just like all the other light-hearted ones were in the first season (like the watergun fight one), but knowing that this IS higurashi, I wouldnt be surprised with a plot turner in the next ep ;)

That Zombie game was just hilarious, and yes Keiichi got owned :heh: multiple times by Satoko and Rena

I'm actually still waiting for the subs to come out, but watching the raw was already a great entertainment even though I don't understand Japanese at all

Wondering how this arc is going to go now, seems like Satoko is the main character

Rias

2007-07-14, 16:49

This may be spoilerish, but I'll try to explain
At the end of Meakashi-hen (in the game at least), when Shion fell off the balcony, her mind finally cleared up. She realized that all she has done was wrong, and that she had forgotten about the most fundamental thing that Satoshi asked of her before his disappearance, which was to take care of Satoko.

Shion apologized to everyone and promised she would not do it again, and that she will never forget Satoshi's favor again.

This is somewhat similar to Tsumihoroboshi-hen's Keiichi becoming enlightened to his own mistakes in Onikakushi-hen.

In other words, although their "past experiences" doesn't exist as clear memory, everyone is slowly learning from their own mistakes.

I thought that both of them were always friendly towards each other (until the 2nd trigger in Watanagashi-hen/Meakashi-hen)? We know that they have been friendly ever since Shion escaped from school, and even tho there's the whole incident with Satoshi, Shion forgave Mion due to Mion going thru the same treatment that Shion was subjected to.

The real trigger for Watanagshi-hen should be Doll event + Keiichi reminding Shion of Satoshi outside Angel Mort, as those are the event that triggers the distrust between the sisters again.

kozec

2007-07-14, 16:50

I'm actually still waiting for the subs to come out, but watching the raw was already a great entertainment even though I don't understand Japanese at allMaybe it's really stupid question, but why r u still waiting for something what I downloaded yesterday?

Davidj

2007-07-14, 17:33

I thought that both of them were always friendly towards each other (until the 2nd trigger in Watanagashi-hen/Meakashi-hen)? We know that they have been friendly ever since Shion escaped from school, and even tho there's the whole incident with Satoshi, Shion forgave Mion due to Mion going thru the same treatment that Shion was subjected to.

Shion and Satoko weren't. From the perspective of this timeline, Shion woke up one morning and suddenly came to the resolution that the way to honor Satoshi's memory is to be Satoko's "bodyguard" and make her eat her vegetables, to do the kind of thing that Satoshi used to do for his sister. Up until that morning she regarded Satoko as a burden on her brother, the source of his unhappiness (heck, she once tried to bash Satoko's head in) but now she's done an abrupt about face in the last few days.

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FlareKnight

2007-07-14, 17:40

Great episode in my mind. Really one of those lighter episodes at the start even though you know things are going to go south at some point.

Keeichi had a complete defeat this time. Getting hit by that first trap, but almost getting a win by dodging the remaining ones. Of course Shion showing up and hitting the teacher cost him that time. Then during the Zombie tag he had a good start tricking Satoko and holding out against that mental assault. But Rena costs him this game first by sacrificing him to the 'zombies' then pulling out an ultimate attack...:heh: That's a low blow, for sure. Nothing says defeat like walking around in some swan get-up.

Those injections are something I'm more interested in. It would seem reasonable to assume they are the ones Rika has been trying to use in the various arcs. Maybe its thanks to those that Satoko hasn't been the one going on a crazed rampage. It'd be handy if she could use those on a wider scale. But maybe she either has a limited supply to use and has to wait for symptoms to appear and by then it might be too late for her to use them since she's only so strong herself.

Episode 2 was good since it really feels like the show is back. Was really surprised by the defending Satoko Shion, but relieved she seems to be stable and not one we'll see going torture crazy. Plus to Keeichi for being very understanding of why no one told him about this so hopefully he won't do anything loony either. One right now that worries me is Satoko.

Rias

2007-07-14, 17:58

Shion and Satoko weren't. From the perspective of this timeline, Shion woke up one morning and suddenly came to the resolution that the way to honor Satoshi's memory is to be Satoko's "bodyguard" and make her eat her vegetables, to do the kind of thing that Satoshi used to do for his sister. Up until that morning she regarded Satoko as a burden on her brother, the source of his unhappiness (heck, she once tried to bash Satoko's head in) but now she's done an abrupt about face in the last few days.

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However, Shion's inner hate towards Satoko isn't the trigger of her behavour change in Watangashi-hen/Meakashi-hen.

Klashikari

2007-07-14, 19:12

^ It is hard to determine really how "far" she is friendly with satoko prior the arrival of Keiichi. Basically, not a lot of background was covered i think (well in season 1 anyway). But i agree her hate is most likely not related with her behaviour change. (that would be the opposite : the very first change as "mion" triggered the hate. aside of this... not really the origin of her madness)

well... sorry, got a bit late with several things to verify and so far...
second "ad" :heh: Analysis, thoughts and Random comments for Episode 2 (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-2-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)
Once again, no foretelling stuff, and it is much less TIPS dependent (well i guess...)

Kisuke06

2007-07-14, 20:09

Do you by any means mean Rena?? :D

Oh, yes. I always switch their names. lol

Sorrow-K

2007-07-14, 21:02

To quote Anonymous of 4chan: Rena was so moe, K1 popped a boner.

Light episode, but lot's of fun. As others have pointed out, even though this is an anime original arc, it's seamless that it started out on the same light-comedy note that every other arc to date has started out on. It'll be very interesting to see what direction this arc will take, though, and who, if anyone, will get the focus.

I can't believe that I only just noticed that Takano was voiced by Itou Miki. Undoubtedly, Higurashi has always had an all-star cast of very proficient seiyuu. Add in Horie Yui as you-know-who, and it really is one hell of a cast.

I'D TAKE RENA HOME!!!

Davidj

2007-07-14, 21:38

However, Shion's inner hate towards Satoko isn't the trigger of her behavour change in Watangashi-hen/Meakashi-hen.

Yeah but we weren't talking about that. I was simply mystified by how Shion had done an unexplained 180 in her attitude toward Satoko.

That being said, this makes a difference. While Shion's inner hate towards Satoko isn't the trigger, her feelings about Satoshi are the primary stressor that drives her. That's why Shion goes nuts and Mion doesn't. Mion doesn't have that grief. Now that Shion sublimating it instead of just repressing them it's possible that she'd respond differently to the trigger anyway, should it happen. For one thing, she started impersonating her sister before Keiichi even knew she existed. She's less likely to do that now that Shion and Mion are spending more time together (if only because it's less practical. Both of them will be expected to show up to club events and the classroom) . So she might instead end up, say, but perhaps I say too much:uhoh:

FlareKnight

2007-07-14, 22:24

Yeah the big surprise to me was Shion's change in attitude being far from what I've had the chance to see in the series so far. At least it would seem to eliminate the possibility of Shion going into a kill Satoko mode. Instead of being a trigger I just feel it reflects a change in Shion that should save us from going down that pathway.

Did enjoy the lightness of this episode. That would have to be one of the most extreme tag games I've seen in a while. A dangerous battle of wits, strategy, and ability to run away really really fast.

And yes I think quite few people would like to take Rena home :).

Sushi-Y

2007-07-14, 23:50

Yeah but we weren't talking about that. I was simply mystified by how Shion had done an unexplained 180 in her attitude toward Satoko.
To put it as simple as I can, it's all about whether there is an onset of doubt and mistrust or not. That is the key to each chapter.

Akabane_Kun

2007-07-15, 01:37

For what we have seen so far whif the first epi dodging three chapters(onikakushi,watanagashi,meakashi)and the preview of epi 03 i think they are going to focus on satoko and prolly rikka past to inlight and prepare the watchers to the last too answering chapters of higurashi and at the same time give a litle review of the past question chapters of season 1

DUD3sweet

2007-07-15, 02:44

This is, by far, my favorite comedy episode of higurashi ever! They really got it right this time! AND I LOVE HOW IT ENDED! OMG! AMAZING!

ferthepoet

2007-07-15, 03:44

I'm confused on how are Shion and Mion allowed to show up togueter...... wasn't hteir family opposed to people knowing there were 2 of them

Klashikari

2007-07-15, 03:50

No, you are mixing things.
Shion was already forgiven "a year ago" (distinction, etc)

of course, she doesn't take part of the family affairs.

Skyfall

2007-07-15, 08:21

Now this is an episode i truly liked. It follows the structure of the usual Higurashi storytelling - all fun and games in the start, but something dark and ugly raises it's head in the end. Keichi / Satoko battle in the classroom was very nicely done and managed a good amount of laughs from me, as did the zombie game :heh: Keichi surely felt for Rena's "bait" :heh: though who can blame the guy - she looked absurdly cute in that scene. I want to take her home!

That aside, the things i am interested in:

Rika talking to some one ... or did she talk to herself? Hm ...
Satoko's injections ... just what are they? And does Rika has anything to do with it? (Considering she has been trying to give shots to people before ... what are those shots she was trying to give anyway?)

That aside, it seems that our group of friends is more closely knit together than before. Even Shion seems to like Satoko and comes to school like a normal girl... Keichi isn't disturbed after finding out about the murders happening each year (And no one tries to hide it from him, so the trust isn't damaged). Trust is a big thing in Higurashi, and seeing that troubles this time around won't be coming from inside the circle, i wonder what the "trouble causer" in this arc is going to be. Only ones that i can think of at the moment are Satoko's uncle and the woman Rena's dad was dating ... hm ...

ah well - i guess i will have to sit back and enjoy the ride. Higurashi has always been one of my favorite series, so seeing all of the cast back in action was a delight for my eyes :)

Now, on a side note - i know Higurashi isn't about this, but what are the chances of us getting at least a drop of some romance, be it Rena x Keichi or Mion x Keichi ? :heh: (Hey - can't help it if i am a romance fan).

That aside - this episode seems like a goldmine for giffmaking ... need to get something done on that front :heh:

Mr Fist

2007-07-15, 08:55

This episode had many ups and downs for me.

The zombie tag game was absolutely hilarious. Might try that sometime...

Earlier I thought the image of Keiichi smiling, which was also on the promo, was from his past. Sadly I was wrong.

This season looks incredibly good so far, but I thought this would just cover the TIPS from previous arcs and something tells me it won't from what I can see

cause I really would like to see Keiichi with the model gun.

Seeing Satoko inject herself made me think she might be diabetic, although it's highly unlikely after seeing previous events... that and the previous use of syringes used in the series.

So anyway, who could be paranoid in this chapter I wonder. I have an idea, but I ain't telling for fear that i'll be disproven...again.

KaneDragon

2007-07-15, 10:00

The paranoia cycle was supposed to have been dispelled at the end of the first season, right? I'd be a little put off if we went through another round of that... between Keiichi's circle, anyway.

Things seem to be going too well, with Shion taking care of Satako and no mistrust over the murder incidents. I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Tepp was in the preview, so maybe he'll start something.

Or maybe the point of this arc is to have everything seemingly going fine (while revealing TIPS and whatnot) and then suddenly Rika's dead again? We still haven't gotten to the Festival yet...

Davidj

2007-07-15, 10:17

To put it as simple as I can, it's all about whether there is an onset of doubt and mistrust or not. That is the key to each chapter.

That is an answer to a question I was not asking.

mercury lampe

2007-07-15, 10:45

Hello everybody,

Just see the second episode and I have several doubts concerning the "zombie tag"

The first, and most important, Have i to understand that this "zombie tag" is a covered way to tell us (or to advance us) the plot we'll see in future episodes of this arc?

I mean, we've seen in the preview of the third episode that probably satoko's past will be showed and, consequently Tepei (as satoko's uncle) will appear too. It seems that the blonde little girl is going to suffer again so, the fact that she lost in the rock/paper/scissors and was forced to play the role of "the zombie" is a covered way to point us she's going to end up bad?

Also the part where Rena "betrays" Keiichi and run away while he's surrounded by all of the "zombies" May this mean that Rena will betray keiichi in some critical moment on the future?

Sure that i'm wrong but if this zombie tag can be understood as a clue of future events i'd like to know it.

Thanks and sorry for my possible grammar mistakes (I'm from Spain)

Klashikari

2007-07-15, 11:18

The first, and most important, Have i to understand that this "zombie tag" is a covered way to tell us (or to advance us) the plot we'll see in future episodes of this arc?
No clue, it isn't really related, though it gives some insights between the trust and all in the group.

I mean, we've seen in the preview of the third episode that probably satoko's past will be showed and, consequently Tepei (as satoko's uncle) will appear too. It seems that the blonde little girl is going to suffer again so, the fact that she lost in the rock/paper/scissors and was forced to play the role of "the zombie" is a covered way to point us she's going to end up bad?
i think you are thinking a bit too much ^^"

Also the part where Rena "betrays" Keiichi and run away while he's surrounded by all of the "zombies" May this mean that Rena will betray keiichi in some critical moment on the future?
Maybe, maybe not. I think the "Onikakushi-hen memories" you could see in Tsumihoroboshi-hen is enough though : Although Keiichi was completely paranoid and psycho, Rena tried to reason him and give him dinner. Heck, even when keiichi beat them to death, she tried to believe in him once again. so it is hard that Rena would do this in a true critical moment, until she goes nuts.

Sure that i'm wrong but if this zombie tag can be understood as a clue of future events i'd like to know it.
Thanks and sorry for my possible grammar mistakes (I'm from Spain)
Ho well, Higurashi was so "messed" with reality that it is "normal" that anyone can suspect some hints even for innocent things.
that might be true, but that also might be irrelevant.

i would say the later, but there is always a chance it will happen, but i would hardly link the events with this tag game.

Akuryou

2007-07-15, 11:21

Great episode, etc, etc

But what really got me in the episode was the talk between Rika and Satoko in the end. Rika's seyuu (Yukari Tamura was it?) really made it feel like Rika found a ray of hope in Satoko's speech, just to get disappointed after. Really, these scenes and the OP song are going to make me take Rika home.

...not that I wouldn't take Rena, after that "boner" scene, heh.

Mirrinus

2007-07-15, 16:27

I think the relationship that most intrigued me in this episode was Shion's complete 180 in her treatment of Satoko. I understand where this is coming from, but it's still a bit odd. It seems like characters can change immensely from one repetition to the next. Does this happen because of a "strong force of will" developed in a previous repetition? I think the game makes mention of how a "strong will" will cause something to happen consistantly with each repetition. Could Shion's relationship with Satoko now count as an example of "strong will"? Can such a thing develop and carry over to subsequent repetitions?

Or I'm just overanalyzing...

Sushi-Y

2007-07-15, 17:40

That is an answer to a question I was not asking.
It is the answer to your question. Except it's not clear since it was never explained in the anime.
At the end of Meakashi-hen in the game, there was a dream-like sequence portraying a school scene where Shion and Satoko got along perfectly. Shion acted like an older sister towards Satoko, watching over her in school (+making sure she's eating her veggies, etc.). Pretty much what we saw in this episode.

This vision most likely occured at the time of Shion's fall to her death in Meakashi-hen. Shion regretted everything she has done, and apologized to Satoshi for forgetting her promise. This is where most gamers learned that the 'oni' (demon) that has possessed Shion is really what we call 'doubt' (and in its extreme form, paranoia).

This "dream" sequence is a view into what would've happened if Shion had resisted from becoming paranoid.
In Meakashi-hen, she failed. This time, she succeeded.

When I mentioned in my earlier episode comment about how Keiichi and the gang was able to avoid Onikakushi-hen in this episode (because they openly talked about the death incidents this time), this is what I meant.

What determines if someone becomes paranoid (ie. Rena in Tsumihoroboshi-hen)? That will be explained later.
I think the relationship that most intrigued me in this episode was Shion's complete 180 in her treatment of Satoko. I understand where this is coming from, but it's still a bit odd. It seems like characters can change immensely from one repetition to the next. Does this happen because of a "strong force of will" developed in a previous repetition? I think the game makes mention of how a "strong will" will cause something to happen consistantly with each repetition. Could Shion's relationship with Satoko now count as an example of "strong will"? Can such a thing develop and carry over to subsequent repetitions?

Or I'm just overanalyzing...
You're not overanalyzing. Actually, you'd be surprised at the answer. ^^;

Sushi-Y

2007-07-15, 17:43

double post, oops ><

Kisuke06

2007-07-15, 18:11

At the end of Meakashi-hen in the game, there was a dream-like sequence portraying a school scene where Shion and Satoko got along perfectly. Shion acted like an older sister towards Satoko, watching over her in school (+making sure she's eating her veggies, etc.). Pretty much what we saw in this episode.

And kj has translated that scene on the TIPS Thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=656533&postcount=114). :3

Davidj

2007-07-15, 19:42

It is the answer to your question. Except it's not clear since it was never explained in the anime.

It was perfectly clear to me from the anime that what triggers the effect is mistrust, which why I scolded Ooishi for suggesting to Rena that the mental hospital "brainwashed her". Suggesting that to someone from Hinamazawa is inviting her to one night pay another visit to the hospital, meat cleaver in hand. The only question I had was how Shion managed to make such a radical change in attitude apparently without external prompting. It hadn't occured to me that Keiichi might not be the only one who is developing the ability to remember stuff from previous loops particularly since Keiichi only managed to do that because he was prompted to confess the secret he was keeping, allowing the truth to set him free. Shion doesn't seem like she's confessed any of her big secrets to anyone

Klashikari

2007-07-15, 20:08

It was perfectly clear to me from the anime that what triggers the effect is mistrust, which why I scolded Ooishi for suggesting to Rena that the mental hospital "brainwashed her". Suggesting that to someone from Hinamazawa is inviting her to one night pay another visit to the hospital, meat cleaver in hand. The only question I had was how Shion managed to make such a radical change in attitude apparently without external prompting.
The problem with the anime is basically the lack of "screentime" for everyone thoughts and developement.

basically, There is no blatant explanations how LONG Shion get along with satoko, neither when. But as we can deduce from what satoko said, she was already taking care of Satoko (lunch) but transfered in Hinamizawa school only recently.

Except watanagashi and meakashi, Shion is really poorly portrayed, not really DEEN at fault of course. Thus, we don't have really scenes which can really demonstrate how shion was towards satoko "when she isn't going psycho".

The thing to remember however, is that her hate for satoko was merely from 1 year ago, when she was still "mion" in disguise. The promise was done later on.
Her desillusion state probably reactivate it, and improved it against satoko.

but we can't really claim that shion always hated satoko. she did, but in the past. Later after satoshi's disappearance, there isn't anything to confirm this or not. (and she has most likely nothing against her meanwhile, until Watanagashi/Meakashi)

It hadn't occured to me that Keiichi might not be the only one who is developing the ability to remember stuff from previous loops particularly since Keiichi only managed to do that because he was prompted to confess the secret he was keeping, allowing the truth to set him free. Shion doesn't seem like she's confessed any of her big secrets to anyoneNo, i don't think it has anything to do with secrets and all.
Basically, keiichi experimented a situation extremely similar to what he have done in Onikakushi-hen. However, the gang explained that it didn't really matter and all. The secrets weren't important per se, but it allowed keiichi that "secrets" aren't always a sign of (mis)trust, and that, the "status of friends" is really beyond this type of futility.
This pretty much shattered the reasoning of "Onikakushi Keiichi", who was engulfed by the paranoia, so the lack of truth just feed his mistrust, such like rena, so conflict then rememberance.

PieWhatWhere

2007-07-15, 20:53

Think of it like this..from what we've seen from Higurashi's first season, and seeing how positive and upbeat this first chapter started out, i think we can assume that this is gonna get really sinister

FatPianoBoy

2007-07-15, 22:55

Well, Takano and Tomitake already showed up, so the countdown to insanity has begun. It usually reaches zero once Ooishi shows up.
Happiness is so short-lived :(

I wonder if Satoko might be the one to snap this time. Everyone else seems to have had their turn, except Rika and Mion, who aren't likely to snap for various reasons. Well, I guess I shouldn't write off Mion, but Rika won't.

Mirrinus

2007-07-15, 23:19

I wonder if Satoko might be the one to snap this time. Everyone else seems to have had their turn, except Rika and Mion, who aren't likely to snap for various reasons. Well, I guess I shouldn't write off Mion, but Rika won't.

You know, I do believe there was an "extra" chapter for the PC game where Rika is the one to snap...

kagato3

2007-07-16, 00:13

You know, I do believe there was an "extra" chapter for the PC game where Rika is the one to snap...

Yes there is, and Rika's trigger is perhaps the most ironic of all of them.

Hagges01

2007-07-16, 01:01

nice ep, but i still wondering about the injection, maybe a way to prevent Satoko to become crazy, that's just my theory of course, anyway looking forward for the next one

Davidj

2007-07-16, 01:23

Scribble

2007-07-16, 05:49

Sorrow-K

2007-07-16, 07:30

I remember rolling my eyes in the first season's first episode, thinking the comedy wasn't all that funny, and the characters were so cliche that the only thing worth watching about the show was all the psycho moments.
Yes, I thought exactly the same thing. Isn't it funny how opinions can turn so easily in a well executed series.

FlashCE

2007-07-16, 12:32

Someone remind me.

Did Shion have something for Satoshi? I remember something about someone getting mad at Satoko for being so troublesome for Satoshi. How did that arc go again?

MarthX

2007-07-16, 13:18

Someone remind me.

Did Shion have something for Satoshi? I remember something about someone getting mad at Satoko for being so troublesome for Satoshi. How did that arc go again?

Sounds like you need to rewatch it.

Davidj

2007-07-16, 13:23

Someone remind me.

Did Shion have something for Satoshi? I remember something about someone getting mad at Satoko for being so troublesome for Satoshi. How did that arc go again?

As best I remember

Shortly after Shion ran away from boarding school she got a job as a waitress in a fetish restaurant on the edge of town that was on the major traffic route past Hinamazawa. There she ran into a group of bikers and made them angry but Satoshi rescued her, and patted her on the head. It was love at first pat. She then asked Mion to let her switch places at school so she could try to hit on him, but Satoshi was intially unreceptive because Mion's family were leaders in the ostracism of their family (using their peculiar leadership style which consists of guessing where everyone else is going and then trying to get out in front), and because he had no spare time, devoting all of it to working to buy a lavish gift.

Satoko was at that time borderline nuts and being physically abused by the aunt in whose custody they were, and the stress was pretty quickly getting to Satoshi. After Satoshi rejected Shion posing as Mion, Shion took her anger out on Satoko blaming the little girl (who at that time was a real weeper), for making Satoshi's life difficult (and Satoshi unreceptive to her). Surprisingly Satoshi forgave "Mion" for her outburst and asked her to protect his sister and try to keep her from being so lonely. Because Shion made the promise in Mion's name, Mion made an effort to befriend Satoko and created the games club as a way to involve and include, in the process turning Satoko into the demonic little practical joker she is by next year. The "trap" thing starts out as imitation of Mion who is a bit of a practical joker, but when Satoko realises that she can get lots of attention from people just by dumping a bucket of water on their heads, the ostracised girl goes for it in a big way, switching from being a crybaby to get her no-longer-present brother's attention to being a prankster to get everyone else's attention.

And it works. The children and some of the adults stop thinking of her as that girl cursed by Oyashiro-sama who is virtually the walking dead, and start thinking of her as that hyper (and amazingly inventive) little brat who nobody can ignore. Shion, however, has handed off the responsibility to Mion, and has no further direct contact with Satoko so far as I can tell until this episode.

Kisuke06

2007-07-16, 16:15

nice ep, but i still wondering about the injection, maybe a way to prevent Satoko to become crazy, that's just my theory of course, anyway looking forward for the next one

If I'm not mistaken she has some kind of sickness and, as Rika said, her genetic make-up is perfect for a nutrient research(and the injection is probably related to this).

KaneDragon

2007-07-16, 16:25

Yes there is, and Rika's trigger is perhaps the most ironic of all of them.
Please. Tell me now. I must know. :D

Or wait, are you talking about that scenario that happens after they break the loop?

Klashikari

2007-07-16, 16:32

Yes, he is talking about Saikoroshi-hen.
that's why her "trigger" is extremely ironic :heh:

Archuka

2007-07-16, 17:42

I remember rolling my eyes in the first season's first episode, thinking the comedy wasn't all that funny, and the characters were so cliche that the only thing worth watching about the show was all the psycho moments.

Lol, I've come a looooooong way since then. I have to say that this episode was brilliant. I hardly laugh at anime, but I was going crazy the whole time. I just realised how great the main characters of Higurashi are, and you could feel the chemistry they have with each other. The characters interact are so amusing, that I'd even go as far as saying that I wouldn't mind watching a 12 episode "Higurashi Fumoffu."

Same here, and it pretty much repeated with the first episodes of each chapter that had those happy go lucky starts. I didn't really enjoy this second episode that much either, to be honest. There were a few great moments for sure, but one scene that really irked me was the Satoko chasing Keichi scene where he stopped to talk to the girls on the yard with Satoko still somehow running laps around the school building. That along with Keichi's over overblown reaction to the false accusations made me roll my eyes.

This is probably one of the few anime that I'll download as SOON as it's subbed. I'll be honest, I've never been engaged in an anime plot the way I've been engaged in Higurashi, and it's pretty easy to sneer at that because Higurashi has all that "moe" stuff.
I still agree with this, though. I'd go as far as saying that Higurashi has the most ingenious plot of any fictional piece I've ever witnessed and despite their flawed genki-modes, the characters are incredibly interesting as well.

raikage

2007-07-17, 02:06

Well-done ep, though I'm creating much of the tension in my own mind -- when the girls were reaching for Keiichi in the shack, I was half-expecting a flashback of: http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4646/11474021059250zz.png

And again, when he caught up to Rena and said, "It's okay...if it's Keiichi" I thought one of them might remember their rooftop battle.

Basically I, as the rest of you are, am just waiting for the other shoe to drop. :heh:

Davidj

2007-07-17, 09:18

Most of the episode was taken up with further recapitulation and helping of random comedy. Odd that it hasn't occured to Rika that Shion's change in action is another miracle. However, these lines strike me as foreshadowing

Mion: Kei-chan...falling for it every time
Shion: Oh? But today's situation is not the same as usual
Satoko: I'm surprised...
Keiichi: How could I possibly fall for the same tricks each time?

Shion: Being able to welcome someone who was an enemy as a friend is like a miracle.

Irie: Where-ever Satoko-chan goes, I, Doctor Irie, follows in the shadows!

DizzyRoro

2007-07-17, 17:24

I totally LOL'd at the part when Shion and Mion revealed they were only faking to be 'Demons/Zombies' all along. Not because it was sly of them... but because its just a total resemblance of something they share.
It just shows us their natural skills to use the ability of the "Sonozaki Bluff" to their advantage. It's like a Chibi-Bluff, but a bluff nontheless. Very cute.
I also laughed at Rena's cruel display of 'innocent manipulation' towards Keiichi. She pwned him. Hard. (Literally ^_^;; )

sezen_atacan

2007-07-18, 21:32

Do you think there are serious answers in episodes that make us think they are fillers?? Because you know:

1-> Did anyone notice Rika changed her voice in the middle of the tag game??
2-> Did Keichi remember something that happened when he is crying in the cabin? I don't know if that was meant as a joke or it got accidently overblown.....

What do these things tell us? After all a lot of the TIPs are just casual conversations during relaxing situations.......

Is it just me? there is something about this anime that makes me take "fillers" seriously.

blitz1/2

2007-07-18, 23:54

If I'm not mistaken she has some kind of sickness and, as Rika said, her genetic make-up is perfect for a nutrient research(and the injection is probably related to this).

No, the injection gives her increased muscle size.

(Look at 9:58) She's surprisely BUFFED!

Katsu Koneko

2007-07-19, 04:56

Whoo I read all 5 pages! ^^

I really loved this episode and agree that it's the best comedy episode ever. XD I really loved how Rena pwned Kei-chan~ Hehe.

Yay more Dark Rika~ ^^

FatPianoBoy

2007-07-19, 10:08

My thoughts on the syringe are as follow:

It was shown quite obtrusively, which sends up a flare for me. Rika also had a similar syringe when she confronted Shion in Meakashi-hen. So, assuming that Satoko isn't undergoing some sort of nutritional research (seriously, did anyone buy that?), we might assume that whatever Satoko is taking is the same thing Rika was trying to stick Shion with. So what could it be?
I think that Rika was trying to save Shion from the madness induced by the parasites/aliens/whatever is present in the swamp that lives in symbiosis with the villagers. These organisms seem to cause mental instability when introduced to adolescent bodies (Keiichi and Shion lost it within a year of moving to Hinamizawa) and Rika and possibly Irie are trying to save at least one person.
Alternatively, she could have started this regimen shortly after something that is revealed later on.

Animexcel

2007-07-19, 12:14

To Rena From Keiichi

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Davidj

2007-07-19, 16:00

villagers. These organisms seem to cause mental instability when introduced to adolescent bodies (Keiichi and Shion lost it within a year of moving to Hinamizawa) and Rika and possibly Irie are trying to save at least one person.
Alternatively, she could have started this regimen shortly after something that is revealed later on.

Adolescence has little to do with it. Remember other victims include Tomitake (who was just a visitor but a regular one), Rika's mother and Satoko herself.

Guido

2007-07-21, 15:34

Yakusamashi-hen

Yep, fellows! This Hinamizawa is including all those tidbits and pieces of information related to the previous season.

It was just good, school days full with sunshine. Children playing outdoors in the grassy fields. Satoko booby-trapping the entire yard, so as to make Keiichi miserable. Shion getting transferred to nurse our cute, devil-moe Satoko.

Shion in Hinamizawa?! What could she be doing in here?!

Rika's monologue is extremely important at the start of the episode. Paraphrasing her quote she has witnessed the birth of "another" Hinamizawa, but more importantly was her dialogue a monologue or was she truly speaking with somebody else?

I am not spoiling for those who either are newbies or did not bother with the trouble and pain on the through the entire TIPS thread provided by courtesy of our knowledgeable Animesuki neighbors.

Oh, my God! I just got an epiphany. Since Hinamizawa is the village of the oni, it is logical to assume maybe, but maybe (even though I'm ludicrous for saying this) that most if not all of the villagers are half-human/half-oni hybrids.:heh:

<insert lol here>I would not mind to get eaten by my moedorable Rika. I mean I found out that she's a human-oni hybrid.</insert>

Remember the game when she told Rena that she would ate her gently.

My God! The Hinamizawa lolis are about to awaken!

And not fair of Rena to hog all the cute loli and trying to take them all home by herself.

But, again Rena surprises by pulling out the ultimate loli adorable killing move.

Keiichi, you bastard!

How dare you to get 'morning wood' in front of all those cute girls. It's incredible that no one on the team found out, particularly Satoko. Had she learned, Keiichi would have been grounded.:heh:

Unfortunately, this dream cannot last. That ***ch Takano is back, as she always does and spoils peace and tranquility. This time she sounds more insiduous than on the previous arc.

Observations.

1. In this Hinamizawa, all the club members trust each other to a nearly intimate and loyal level where doubt never wavers their beliefs.
A. Shion is totally close and friendlier towards Satoko. Quite the direct opposite she on Wataganashi-hen / Meakashi-hen
B. Rena and Mion thought about Keiichis' feelings when chose not to tell him right away the Oyashiro-sama curse. They found the proper timing to discuss him about it, but he never at anytime thought bad about two for keeping the secret.

2. The influence of the previous Hinamizawa has leaked into this Hinamizawa.
In reply to Mion feeling sorry for keeping the Oyashiro-sama curse a secret to Keiichi, he answered back the same quote that Rika told him back at Tsumihoroboshi-hen, "Even among friends, everyone has secrets that feel not right about them that it is okay not to discuss them openly with the others."

The quote that Keiichi delivered to Rena back at Tsumihoroboshi-hen was passed onto Satoko while she tended Rika. "If you have something you're worried about don't keep it to yourself, ask your friends for advice."

3. Rika wavers if the miracle may or not repeat itself again for this Hinamizawa.

4. The shot that Satoko administered to herself. Pay close attention on what Rika commented to Satoko.
A. It is ideal and necessary for her condition, so she (Satoko) cannot and must not neglect her treatment everyday.
B. Rika refers to the treatment as a "nutritional experiment".

Note: Recall that back at Meakashi-hen, Rika confronted Shion with a needle, and she pulled out a sneaky maneuver without warning with the spray can in order to disable Shion a few seconds so as to have plenty of time to give her a shot with the needle.

Hypothesis: What if the shot that Satoko administered onto herself to keep her condition "healthy" was what Rika attempted to inject onto Shion with in Wataganashi-hen?
Would that shot had made Shion normal or docile, had Rika succeeded?

Don't anyone of you guys would die of bliss had you get a chance to be patted on the head by Rika?

nipa