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Naruto spoiler [note: he keeps saying "nurupo" throughout the spoiler, not "naruto"]
Deidara's explosion shocks both Naruto's group and Akatsuki. They remark on it's enormity.
It then goes to Akatsuki's group. Kisame-san and Itachi are having a conversation with a strange voice.
Kisame-san (with a cool expression)- "Well well, another one of us bit the dust. And I thought he was pretty strong too. There's something I seem to be forgetting though..."
Strange Voice- "It looks like Tobi died too."
Kisame- "Right, right, Tobi, that was it. Still, I'm surprised that the coward wasn't able to outrun that...sure must have been one hell of a jutsu."
Tobi....
Suigetsu calls over to Sasuke with Kuchiyose no jutsu (summoning technique) Manda comes out. Sasuke applies a genjutsu to Manda and enters his body.
Sasuke-san looks messed up though.
And then, finally what looks to be the Akatsuki leader makes an appearance. He calls over to the Akatsuki woman, "Pein" [pronounced "Payne"]
The Akatsuki woman comes out afterwards. However, now it seems as if there's someone else above them who's pulling the strings.
The one behind the scenes tells the Leader: "You will be the one to kill Naruto. Failure is unacceptable."
And it ends with those orders being given.
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Ah man, looks like my self and Hunter saw this around the same time. I don’t know if its the fact that its 4:30 A.M., or all the “crap” that spilled out in the up and coming chapter, that’s making me feel all.. “ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!1111”
Where to start . . ., ok aside from how Sasuke survives the blast being utter and total bull shit, I wont even go in to that till the actual chapter comes out and we see how it really played out, also because we pretty much have to believe anything that Kishimoto throws at us. Tobi is dead? WHAT!?!? "The Real / Fake Akatsuki Leader" and the Unknown Member revealed ?!?!? WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!? I suspected that guy wasn’t the real leader, I always thought it was the Unknown Member, it looks like I was only half right!
The only thing that comes to mind is Naruto manga is going to be ending very soon, also I feel like Kishimoto ditched Tobi. I think originally Tobi was meant for something but it feels like Kishimoto is trying to pack things up and quit while he is ahead, I mean face it lately there's been allot of “hoo, haa” about his writing so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s trying to "cop out" its just so hard to believe that Tobi was a useless character, placed there for burst moments of comedic humor, and mindless entertainment? Its not just the Tobi thing its the whole revelation of "The Higher Power" (Makes you wonder if the AL is really the AL) and the Unknown Member, and orders from a higher power being "You must be the one to kill Naruto" all this, one cant help but get the feeling Kishimoto is trying to pack it up and end the Manga as soon as possible.
What’s going on Kishi!!! What is going on! Then again, maybe Kishimoto is just trying to make his Manga "interesting" again, kind of like a kick start I mean who the hell saw this coming? Seriously. Also, this revelation of the "the higher power pulling strings", it might not end with Akatsuki, its possible for there to be more arc's after Akatsuki, so maybe the Manga is not ending anytime soon, its expanding! Ahh can't wait for the chapter! Considering it should be a double issue, the spoiler doesn’t disclose much information, there is most likely allot more. Blah~ More comments later to come once I'm actually awake and not half dead. (Tobi can't be dead its a ploy I tell ya! A PLOY!)
Edit:
On a good note (if you consider this a good note) Some of the mind numbing theories about "Who is the Akatsuki Leader?", "Who is the Unknown Member?" and finally "Who is Tobi?" can finally stop! Sort of, cause he is not even the leader, however now a new generation of theories will be born about the higher power. >_<, I'll laugh if some one claims the higher power is Tobi LOL! (I don’t see the Tobi one as a good thing, Grrrr *wants to bite kishimoto* I can't believe Kishimoto blew away all three of those in one shot!!!!!!!!! OMG)
P.S. Her name is prounced Payne... but spelled Pein. . .? What is this Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2? Are we going to see Yuna and Rikku too >_>?
This is going to be one hell of a chapter. I am upset as hell that they just kill off Tobi like that. There was so much potential there.. and if Tobi died, how does Sasuke survive? I'm a bit confused about the whole part with Manda.
And wtf AL leader and new girl revieled! Neither of which are characters we've seen. Not an Uchiha, not 4th, someone new. Thank god all that debate will be over.
And ahhhhhhhhhhh I need to read it, Gotta find the raws, this is when I am glad I can read Japanese.
EvolutionXI
2007-07-18, 03:54
Wtf, wasn't Sasuke low on chakra...he could still easily summon Manda and cast a genjutsu on him?
I sure hope Tobi's not really dead...since he survived that blade swipe, maybe he'll somehow survive this too.
...and finally!...More on the AL (well the supposed one up until now) and that girl...seems the guy's from the rain village. I guess a lot the theories about him are down the drain now. But I'm sure now they'll all be directed towards the new guy.
...something else that's weird if that spoiler is really true and the wording is relatively correct...wouldn't they want Naruto alive like all the other jinchuuriki?
Kazekage_Gaara
2007-07-18, 04:13
This is a major turn of events for most of us O.O. The Akatsuki Leader looks a lot cooler than I thought. I thought he looked a lot like a punker Naruto at first glance of that picture lol. I am kind of disappointed that he isn't from a more significant village like Konoha. It would just make him that much more interesting. But oh well, this is a shocking turn of events anyway, another cliffhanger chapter instead of revelations I bet.
The whole Manda thing is confusing me, need to read it to see it.
* Is it me or they've changed AL's hair completely? I'm looking at this picture and the old ones and I don't see a resemblance at all.
I thought he looked a lot like a punker Naruto at first glance of that picture lol.
I agree with this, I too thought the same thing, still do. . .its actually really interesting, I wonder why. However I'll wait for the chapter to come out, to get a real good look at this guy's face before I start making any speculations, also considering he has a rain headband on I doubt there is any connection at all. Then again its insane how much he looks like Naruto, there will be theories flying everywhere about the "AL" being related to Naruto, even the Pein being the mother and what not, or "AL" being his long lost brother and Naruto is really from the rain, or "AL" being his uncle or whatever! Arg. Also, the "AL" has no name yet which is pretty fishy, considering the unknown member has a name now.
Is it me or they've changed AL's hair completely? I'm looking at this picture and the old ones and I don't see a resemblance at all.
I would say its just you. We always saw his hair from the shadows, never really his hair. Shadows are distorted, also considering the Manga is hand drawn its not a surprise to see / notice some difference in each and every drawing.
is it confirmed? i mean sasuke summoning manda and casting genjutsu with no chakra, tobi s death kisames argument all doesnt make sense...tobi is a char that needs to be revealed not killed.and how did kisame felt dei dei is gone?how did sasukle survived?how did suigetsu pop up from nowhere? if suigetsu felt/see the explosions then team naruto would too according to radius math :D there are too many openings in this spoiler for me...
is it confirmed? i mean sasuke summoning manda and casting genjutsu with no chakra, tobi s death kisames argument all doesnt make sense...tobi is a char that needs to be revealed not killed.and how did kisame felt dei dei is gone?how did sasukle survived?how did suigetsu pop up from nowhere? if suigetsu felt/see the explosions then team naruto would too according to radius math :D there are too many openings in this spoiler for me...
I agree, it seems like the whole arc ends in this chapter. They seem to be ending like 10 plotlines in one chapter... seems fishy to me.
is it confirmed? i mean sasuke summoning manda and casting genjutsu with no chakra, tobi s death kisames argument all doesnt make sense...tobi is a char that needs to be revealed not killed.and how did kisame felt dei dei is gone?how did sasukle survived?how did suigetsu pop up from nowhere? if suigetsu felt/see the explosions then team naruto would too according to radius math :D there are too many openings in this spoiler for me...
The spoiler is confirmed, its real. It just lacks information, which is a good thing a taste is better then nothing at all any way. This is how I see the whole Sasuke escaping the blast thing, from the information provided, the only thing I can assume is Suigetsu lent Sasuke his chakra and helped him summon Manda (recall the time when Kabuto “assisted“ Orochimaru in summoning Manda), now we all know how Manda is he is very demanding and Orochimaru had to persuade him by telling Manda he will give 100 sacrifices in Manda's name later on.
So, in order for Manda to co-operate Sasuke put Manda under a genjutsu, and then entered his body, meaning resting inside Manda or took refuge inside him, think about it like Jiraiya's frog stomach summoning jutsu.
I agree, it seems like the whole arc ends in this chapter. They seem to be ending like 10 plotlines in one chapter... seems fishy to me.
Lets not jump the gun yet, while this spoiler does make it seem like the end all, be all, I think what it really did is open up more arc's, this higher power might not be connected to Akatsuki and the "AL" might still be the "AL". So who knows, none the less we will have to just wait and see. I was thinking the higher power, is some one who is hired "AL", and could be directly connected to "AL" and "AL" only, Akatsuki has no idea about it, remember the "AL" can communicate without speaking, and remember the "Akatsuki Goal", use Bijuu, wage wars, get hired, profit, or something in that sense the whole failure is not acceptable applies to this as well.
nine_tailed_kyuubi
2007-07-18, 05:19
the AL looks like Naruto so much, it's like he's older brother
This is really interesting. I'm very surprised, unexpected things happened, and I really hope Tobi is not going to die. He is one of the Characters that I thought was going to show real potential.
Kishi bastard, don't take Tobi away! :mad:
1st pics,
he reminds me of Yondaime
http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc71/th_46091_c8j3mcdj_2_123_71lo.jpg
http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc193/th_46090_c8j3mcdj_1_123_193lo.jpg
The spoiler is confirmed, its real. It just lacks information, which is a good thing a taste is better then nothing at all any way. This is how I see the whole Sasuke escaping the blast thing, from the information provided, the only thing I can assume is Suigetsu lent Sasuke his chakra and helped him summon Manda (recall the time when Kabuto “assisted“ Orochimaru in summoning Manda), now we all know how Manda is he is very demanding and Orochimaru had to persuade him by telling Manda he will give 100 sacrifices in Manda's name later on.
So, in order for Manda to co-operate Sasuke put Manda under a genjutsu, and then entered his body, meaning resting inside Manda or took refuge inside him, think about it like Jiraiya's frog stomach summoning jutsu.
so you say in a blink of an eye suigetsu popped from nowhere while others are still listening their ipods and reading books,lend his chakra to sasuke where i dont see any point in it for suigetsu to rescue sasuke,and sasuke summoned manda cast genjustsu and rest...all happened in 1 second...sound much more fishy right now.:D
like i said either the spoiler is too shallow and misleading or this chapter sux hard...especially if tobi is ging to die...
so you say in a blink of an eye suigetsu popped from nowhere while others are still listening their ipods and reading books,lend his chakra to sasuke where i dont see any point in it for suigetsu to rescue sasuke,and sasuke summoned manda cast genjustsu and rest...all happened in 1 second...sound much more fishy right now.:D
like i said either the spoiler is too shallow and misleading or this chapter sux hard...especially if tobi is ging to die...
Hehe, that’s exactly what I’m saying (or at least that is exactly what I am assuming using the information provided from the spoiler) :D! See, Suigetsu rushing to Sasuke’s side and lending Sasuke Chakra to summon Manda doesn’t sound that incredible or amazing next to. . . Tobi being dead, and some guy that actually commands the guy that commands Itachi. Makes you wonder who and how strong the one pulling the strings really is right? Maybe my Itachi is a good guy theory will end up being correct, maybe Itachi's true goal is the death of the higher power, creating Sasuke as his next of kin, maybe the higher power is Madara!! Let the theories fly!!!! Weeeeee!
None the less, the spoiler is definitely real its from Himajin its just lacking is all, just going to have to wait for the chapter. Also can't you see Hunter's spoiler tag? " confirmed spoiler translated by Sho:"
nine_tailed_kyuubi
2007-07-18, 05:39
if the spoiler is confirmed then it is amazing IMO very big turn of events and a lot of things are unexpected, Tatami we didn't know where the hell was Suigetsu to begin with so yes he can show up at any time, the AL and the girl are revealed, if Tobi is going to die let him die he didn't do anything special since he appeared, people want him alive because they want him to be Obito maybe Kishi knows that so he tells them sorry there is Tobi dead lol in this chapter Kishi is simply doing the opposite of what people thought and maybe Tobi will survive, Sasuke cut him in half and he regeneraed i think so maybe he has something under his sleeve.
if the spoiler is confirmed then it is amazing IMO very big turn of events and a lot of things are unexpected, Tatami we didn't know where the hell was Suigetsu to begin with so yes he can show up at any time, the AL and the girl are revealed, if Tobi is going to die let him die he didn't do anything special since he appeared, people want him alive because they want him to be Obito maybe Kishi knows that so he tells them sorry there is Tobi dead lol in this chapter Kishi is simply doing the opposite of what people thought and maybe Tobi will survive, Sasuke cut him in half and he regeneraed i think so maybe he has something under his sleeve.
well we now that karin is around so suigetsu cant be too far away...
if we take sasuke as centr point ,
'the balst is 10 km radius so anybody to live must be at least 10 km away.plus naruto teams radius is 5 km. , karin is in 15 km. so suigetsu must be around that distance.
so suigetsu coming and no other people is highly unlikely for me...why would he return to sasuke?why not any other member?
also i want tobi alive not because of the link with obito which i dont believe there is.his comic relief is fun and why kill such a char which is built up carefully?
Ero-Senn1n
2007-07-18, 06:07
Suigetsu popping out of nowhere would be the lamest thing ever. But it could happen, this is just shonen manga.
The other thing that's lame is that Manda can protect Sasuke from the blast. This blast is supposed to be uncounterable, at least at ground zero. Maybe 1 km away Manda could do the job, but Sasuke was right next to Deidara. However i will be ok with this solution if Manda dies in the process. So i hope the price is Manda's life, than Deidara didn't die for nothing. Anyway Manda would be useless against Itachi if he can disable it with a genjutsu.
Some years ago we had a debate of how could Itachi be stronger than sannins who have giant summons. My idea was that he could use MS to either cast genjutsu or do an amaterasu and burn them to death. From this spoiler it seems that even the regular sharingan can beat a boss summon. Well it was to be expected after we saw Sasuke in Naruto's mind dealing with the demon fox. A mere Manda cannot stand in the way of the great sharingan :D
I think that Tobi survived, however if his ability and past will be explained when Zetsu is properly introduced than there's no reason to let Tobi live. If there is someone who commands the akatsuki leader than it could be that Tobi is secretly that person's subordinate who is reporting to that person about akatsuki. Anything can be possible, i guess those who think the real leader is Madara will now be happy, and we will have more theories about the real leader being Madara, who is also the 3rd MS user. Also those who have theoires about Itachi being on a secret mission may be happy now, Itachi maybe wants to defeat the real leader, and maybe the Uchiha clan was killed by Madara after all :D
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-18, 06:58
The only thing that comes to mind is Naruto manga is going to be ending very soon, also I feel like Kishimoto ditched Tobi. I think originally Tobi was meant for something but it feels like Kishimoto is trying to pack things up and quit while he is ahead, I mean face it lately there's been allot of “hoo, haa” about his writing so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s trying to "cop out" its just so hard to believe that Tobi was a useless character, placed there for burst moments of comedic humor, and mindless entertainment? Its not just the Tobi thing its the whole revelation of "The Higher Power" (Makes you wonder if the AL is really the AL) and the Unknown Member, and orders from a higher power being "You must be the one to kill Naruto" all this, one cant help but get the feeling Kishimoto is trying to pack it up and end the Manga as soon as possible.
0Taku0, you say that the manga is ending soon at the end of like every arc :heh:
You could be right, of course, but every mystery revealed brings up more questions. Every time a member of Akatsuki dies it brings us that much closer to end of this saga, but the story has to move on somehow.
I do agree that this chapter marks a major turning point and does lay the ground for the final confrontation with Akatsuki, especially now that the (faux) AL has been called to deal with Naruto himself. He's made his full appearance and does resemble Naruto and Yondaime a little, but unfortunately for Yondi fans doesn't seem to have a relation with either of them being that he's apparently from the Rain village. The unnamed member looks pretty much like how everyone expected. That only leaves the question of who is the real leader (Madara enthusiasts get a chance)
As for Sasuke's escape, I'll say nothing about it because we all know he had to escape somehow. I'm not sure Tobi is really dead. It seems likely if 3 members stated that he died, however I still think there's a chance he survived. But if it's true, like 0Taku0 said, it was pretty much a waste of a character, especially after giving him such a strange ability and not putting it to real use.
0Taku0, you say that the manga is ending soon at the end of like every arc :heh:
Lmao! Alright, alright I'll admit it I do have a slight "fear" of what will happen when this Manga does end, a big part of it is because which Manga will I move to after, something like "Naruto" doesn’t come along often you know! In any case, I feel a bit comforted after thinking it over, because if you consider the introduction of "the higher power" (we seriously need to decide on what to call this guy) Kishimoto can use this and easily get a shit load more volumes out of Naruto, it doesn’t have to end with Akatsuki.
As for Sasuke's escape, I'll say nothing about it because we all know he had to escape somehow.
None the less, the main thing that bugs me about the Manda deal is not how it happens, not because of Suigetsu, or the Genjutsu to force Manda to obey Sasuke's commands. Its the simple fact, that Manda can actually survive the blast, If you ask me he should have been disintegrated along with Sasuke inside his stomach, however I will also not bother with this because its just as you said, Sasuke had to survive one way or another, and I'm not even going to call "Dumbed Down" on this one cause it will just raise unwanted debates.
He's made his full appearance and does resemble Naruto and Yondaime a little, but unfortunately for Yondi fans doesn't seem to have a relation with either of them being that he's apparently from the Rain village.
As for "AL" resembling Naruto, man you should see some of the insane theories flying around right now, I read this one where apparently Naruto is originally from the Rain and Pein was Jiraiya's student, she left Konoha because she meet "AL" had sex with him, and had a baby and the baby was Naruto she "abandoned" him in Konoha or was forced to. . . Yes I know, this is just one of the theories running wild there’s a older brother one, a uncle one, people will just do anything to make it fit its pretty amusing.
All the "AL" is Yondy, or "AL" is Madara might not apply to the "AL" any more, however everything that did can now apply to the "Higher Power", hell I was even considering my old Itachi is a good guy theory to be true, considering Itachi's lack of interest for killing his opponents, he might just be trying to kill the "higher power" because it was he who killed the Uchiha clan, making Sasuke his next of kin just incase he fails. Meh at this point almost anything would make sense.
I'm not sure Tobi is really dead. It seems likely if 3 members stated that he died, however I still think there's a chance he survived. But if it's true, like 0Taku0 said, it was pretty much a waste of a character, especially after giving him such a strange ability and not putting it to real use.
Oh and about Tobi, I seriously believe he is not dead if you think about it like where Tobi is actually a spy for either Jiraiya, or whoever, this was the perfect chance for him to "fake his death" and leave Akatsuki with all the information he has now, even if none of that is true I believe Tobi will make his appearance again later on. It just doesn’t make sense mainly because of this, one of the main characters of the Manga (Sasuke) noticed something about Tobi and because Tobi was noticed Kishimoto has a responsibility to reveal him to us (the fans), no way in hell I can let the whole "I slice you in half but nothing happens to you" slide just like that.
1st pics,
he reminds me of Yondaime
http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc71/th_46091_c8j3mcdj_2_123_71lo.jpg
http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc193/th_46090_c8j3mcdj_1_123_193lo.jpg
Yeah... Too bad he's from the Hidden Rain. :heh:
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-18, 07:27
I gotta say this has to be the weirdest turn of events i've ever seen. I'm still confused.
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 07:29
http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc71/th_46091_c8j3mcdj_2_123_71lo.jpg
http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc193/th_46090_c8j3mcdj_1_123_193lo.jpg
-Mein Got, that is a little too much resemblance to Naruto to be a mere coincidence. Seriously, no matter how you look at it you cannot deny the 2 aforementioned characters look very close to one another. Now I am really intrigued by this guy that for so long we knew only as the Akatsuki Leader (or maybe we should now call him the Akatsuki Executive since he may not be the leader after all). You know what they say "A picture is worth a thousand words".
-As far as the chapter goes I am a little dissapointed that Tobi was given the big, ugly ax. Deidara died in a Blaze of Glory and it was a fitting end. Sasuke survived, yeah what a shocker eh? But in all honesty, Tobi got gyped (unless he's not really dead and Kishimoto removed him for a while so he can come back later).
*P.S: Looks like Konoha ninja are all bloody deaf if it took that big of an explosion to alert them that there's a battle going on...
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-18, 07:34
So if Naruto is from the rain village? can he still become Hokage? :D
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 07:36
So if Naruto is from the rain village? can he still become Hokage? :D
-I vote that the "AL" is Naruto from the future and he came back to the past for kicks and giggles. The fact that his older self is from Shiguregakure is of no importance :).
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-18, 07:39
-I vote that the "AL" is Naruto from the future and he came back to the past for kicks and giggles. The fact that his older self is from Shiguregakure is of no importance :).
Damn but i gotta admit they do look alike. If he is Naruto's brother i'll be piss because Itachi has to take orders from that ass.
tkdtiger
2007-07-18, 07:43
Strange Voice- "It looks like Tobi died too."
Kisame- "Right, right, Tobi, that was it. Still, I'm surprised that the coward wasn't able to outrun that...sure must have been one hell of a jutsu."
Tobi....
Based on the spoiler I actually think Tobi may make another appearance. For one the strange voice says it "looks" like Tobi died and Kisame impies that Tobi should have been able to outrun the explosion... it just seems to me he's setting it up for Tobi to make a surprise appearance at sometime...
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 07:44
Damn but i gotta admit they do look alike. If he is Naruto's brother i'll be piss because Itachi has to take orders from that ass.
-Please, the "AL's" power and abilities could dwarf Itachi's by a magnitude of a millenia and Itachi would still not take orders from him. Remember, the "AL" said it himself a long time ago "They all joined together of their own volition". No matter what the circumstance, Itachi will remain the cold, cocky, kick-ass, homicidal maniac we all love and adore :heh:...
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-18, 08:27
None the less, the main thing that bugs me about the Manda deal is not how it happens, not because of Suigetsu, or the Genjutsu to force Manda to obey Sasuke's commands. Its the simple fact, that Manda can actually survive the blast
Was it stated that Manda survived the blast? I thought the summary didn't confirm one way or another. But yeah, it seems a bit much if he survived. However, I didn't expect a normal snake to be able survive a C1 blast until it was shown, seeing as how Sasuke killed one with just kunai in the Forest of Death.
All the "AL" is Yondy, or "AL" is Madara might not apply to the "AL" any more, however everything that did can now apply to the "Higher Power", hell I was even considering my old Itachi is a good guy theory to be true, considering Itachi's lack of interest for killing his opponents, he might just be trying to kill the "higher power" because it was he who killed the Uchiha clan, making Sasuke his next of kin just incase he fails. Meh at this point almost anything would make sense.
True. Pein does resemble Naruto, but now that he has been revealed to be the second-in-command, that kind of makes him just another Akatsuki soldier. I think that makes him less likely to have any kind of relationship with Naruto or Yondaime.
About Itachi. I'm still pretty sure he carried out the killing of his clan personally, since he killed Shisui years prior to that. Also, Sasuke heard his parents (or one of them) yell just before he entered the room where Itachi was. When he entered, both were dead, leaving almost no room for doubt that Itachi murdered them. However, the motive Itachi had for killing them might have something do with Akatsuki or the higher power.
-Please, the "AL's" power and abilities could dwarf Itachi's by a magnitude of a millenia and Itachi would still not take orders from him. Remember, the "AL" said it himself a long time ago "They all joined together of their own volition". No matter what the circumstance, Itachi will remain the cold, cocky, kick-ass, homicidal maniac we all love and adore :heh:...
Itachi does take orders from the leader. Like he when recruits Deidara, he states that is under the leader's orders. But he is still a cold, cocky, kick-ass homicidal maniac.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-18, 08:33
But having reading more , it seems there's someone higher up if that makes sense.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-07-18, 08:35
Hah so much for the AL = Yondaime comparison...
This guy is from the rain.
True. Pein does resemble Naruto, but now that he has been revealed to be the second-in-command, that kind of makes him just another Akatsuki soldier. I think that makes him less likely to have any kind of relationship with Naruto or Yondaime.
Pein is the girl.
shaselai
2007-07-18, 08:40
If tobi dies then it would be the lamest death for an Akatsuki member especially we havent seen him doing anything besides not dying through a sword slash and digging underground... It maybe perhaps that the other members don't know Tobi's skills that much and assumed he died... O well..
Obito Uchiha
2007-07-18, 08:46
Hehe, that’s exactly what I’m saying (or at least that is exactly what I am assuming using the information provided from the spoiler) :D! See, Suigetsu rushing to Sasuke’s side and lending Sasuke Chakra to summon Manda doesn’t sound that incredible or amazing next to. . . Tobi being dead, and some guy that actually commands the guy that commands Itachi. Makes you wonder who and how strong the one pulling the strings really is right? Maybe my Itachi is a good guy theory will end up being correct, maybe Itachi's true goal is the death of the higher power, creating Sasuke as his next of kin, maybe the higher power is Madara!! Let the theories fly!!!! Weeeeee!
None the less, the spoiler is definitely real its from Himajin its just lacking is all, just going to have to wait for the chapter. Also can't you see Hunter's spoiler tag? " confirmed spoiler translated by Sho:"
NOOOOOOOO!!! do not let the theories fly because then everyone will be posting them all over again. I think Kishi visits all the forums and then makes his Manga as cliffhanging and far out as he can and then laughs at all the dumbass theories.
Kishi: Kukukukuu..
the AL looks like Naruto so much, it's like he's older brother
PLZ don't say that.
1st pics,
he reminds me of Yondaime
http://img128.imagevenue.com/loc71/th_46091_c8j3mcdj_2_123_71lo.jpg
http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc193/th_46090_c8j3mcdj_1_123_193lo.jpgNO, plz no! He reminds me of Naruto with CS2. Yes i have seen Naruto with CS2.;)
if the spoiler is confirmed then it is amazing IMO very big turn of events and a lot of things are unexpected, Tatami we didn't know where the hell was Suigetsu to begin with so yes he can show up at any time, the AL and the girl are revealed, if Tobi is going to die let him die he didn't do anything special since he appeared, people want him alive because they want him to be Obito maybe Kishi knows that so he tells them sorry there is Tobi dead lol in this chapter Kishi is simply doing the opposite of what people thought and maybe Tobi will survive, Sasuke cut him in half and he regeneraed i think so maybe he has something under his sleeve.
I hope your right.
Suigetsu popping out of nowhere would be the lamest thing ever. But it could happen, this is just shonen manga.
The other thing that's lame is that Manda can protect Sasuke from the blast. This blast is supposed to be uncounterable, at least at ground zero. Maybe 1 km away Manda could do the job, but Sasuke was right next to Deidara. However i will be ok with this solution if Manda dies in the process. So i hope the price is Manda's life, than Deidara didn't die for nothing. Anyway Manda would be useless against Itachi if he can disable it with a genjutsu.
Some years ago we had a debate of how could Itachi be stronger than sannins who have giant summons. My idea was that he could use MS to either cast genjutsu or do an amaterasu and burn them to death. From this spoiler it seems that even the regular sharingan can beat a boss summon. Well it was to be expected after we saw Sasuke in Naruto's mind dealing with the demon fox. A mere Manda cannot stand in the way of the great sharingan :D
I think that Tobi survived, however if his ability and past will be explained when Zetsu is properly introduced than there's no reason to let Tobi live. If there is someone who commands the akatsuki leader than it could be that Tobi is secretly that person's subordinate who is reporting to that person about akatsuki. Anything can be possible, i guess those who think the real leader is Madara will now be happy, and we will have more theories about the real leader being Madara, who is also the 3rd MS user. Also those who have theoires about Itachi being on a secret mission may be happy now, Itachi maybe wants to defeat the real leader, and maybe the Uchiha clan was killed by Madara after all :D
This is anime/manga crazy shit happens all the time.
Strange Voice- "It looks like Tobi died too."
Kisame- "Right, right, Tobi, that was it. Still, I'm surprised that the coward wasn't able to outrun that...sure must have been one hell of a jutsu."
Tobi....
Based on the spoiler I actually think Tobi may make another appearance. For one the strange voice says it "looks" like Tobi died and Kisame impies that Tobi should have been able to outrun the explosion... it just seems to me he's setting it up for Tobi to make a surprise appearance at sometime...
Hope so
-Please, the "AL's" power and abilities could dwarf Itachi's by a magnitude of a millenia and Itachi would still not take orders from him. Remember, the "AL" said it himself a long time ago "They all joined together of their own volition". No matter what the circumstance, Itachi will remain the cold, cocky, kick-ass, homicidal maniac we all love and adore :heh:...
:heh::heh:HAHAHAHAHAAHA! For real tho. I know this will definetely backfire on me but hope that the "Higher power" is indeed THE Irucha Ramen store owner. No one can resist the raw power of his ramen no jutsu.
Tobi dead? Please....maybe they think he's dead because his ring disintegrated or something, or got lost. I mean granted Tobi always complained about Deidei not exploding his bombs while he was around, this guy looked like he could phase through ground...
are we not going to get an explanation of Tobi and Sasuke's reaction toward him when he cut through him?
Especially if this has to deal with the main character.................
Ichimaru
2007-07-18, 09:21
if pein = pain
does that mean her jutsus are Bondage and BDMS? :D:D:D
if pein = pain
does that mean her jutsus are Bondage and BDMS? :D:D:D
Then i hope she fights Sakura :p
Amusing spoilers, Suigetsu summoning manda (how the hell did he learn about Sasuke, well, at least we know, the great Sasuke couldn't help but call for help), Sasuke using genjutsu on Manda (what an eye! seems nothing even the god cannot stand against it, now, it becomes overly-stupid Oro and Deidara trying to stand against it, that gap cannot be closed by a mere human), entering Manda's body (I'd like to try that too, there might be a nice room inside from the summoning dimension with Manda's little brats), and Manda surviving the explosion (a great summon indeed, and a shockingly weak explosion).
Oh, well, I wasn't expecting anything logical from Kishi in the first place - recently he seems to be on something to enhance his performance - too bad the side-effects are too obvious. Anyways, Naruto summoning Kyuubi should be the next step to balance that act. Who cares how, at this point!
WHAT THE FUCJK ? how random is this it jusdt jumps to Al face??? er.... in the holograms was he wearing a forhead protector?? and his hair ddint look like that.... his hair looked liek more the 3rds hair style so fake lol... and yeah as u guys pointed out .. suske summoning manda and using genitsu and suigestu comming out of no werre .... probably a fake oo and some 1 higher pulling strings... that itachi is listening to??........well there are some members that havnt been revealed..
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-07-18, 09:55
http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc193/th_46090_c8j3mcdj_1_123_193lo.jpg
Judging from that picture i'd say those 2 have been busy...and it seemed that the Leader had to do all the work... well...it's only natural that he is paired with a lady...who wants to walk with Cpt. Plant anyway...
man she looks like suske lol
She looks nothing like Sasuke other than they both are shown with dark hair? Wtf are you guys talking about?!
Amusing spoilers, Suigetsu summoning manda (how the hell did he learn about Sasuke, well, at least we know, the great Sasuke couldn't help but call for help),
Well Suigetsu knowing about Sasuke is not something trivial or unbelievable, there a literally thousands of logical explanation for it.
Sasuke using genjutsu on Manda (what an eye! seems nothing even the god cannot stand against it, now, it becomes overly-stupid Oro and Deidara trying to stand against it, that gap cannot be closed by a mere human).
I don’t think is really something because of the eye (well, it really is) rather, this just confirms a theory some of us had that Summons can be caught in a Genjutsu. In other words..Adios theories that if someone makes a Giant summon, this summon can’t be defeated by a single person, even more if this person happen to have MS.
Oh, well, I wasn't expecting anything logical from Kishi in the first place - recently he seems to be on something to enhance his performance - too bad the side-effects are too obvious. Anyways, Naruto summoning Kyuubi should be the next step to balance that act. Who cares how, at this point!
I don’t see why Kishi needs to do specifically that to balance the act, heck, Kishi doesn’t even needs to Balance the act, is his manga.
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Based on the spoilers, some other observations:
-Is it Suigetsu doing the summon? Or is he doing the same thing Kabuto and Oro were doing to Summon Manda? “A assisted summon”
-I had the suspicions since sometime now that there was a higher commander inside Akatsuki, the plot about Akatsuki gets interesting once again.
-Tobi is dead (presumed), now we know what Deidara. was referring to That “Sorry”.
-If Tobi is dead, then Adios Theories of Tobi is Obito, and we can pretty much discard any sort of relationship between Fake AL, and Naruto, as Sabakyu said, he just become another Akatsuki soldier.
And the words of the real leader, I wonder why he is ordering to kill Naruto, don’t they need them now? Why specifically Nartuo? Either way, Sending Fake AL and Akatsuki girl to kill Naruto, could be an indication of who are the next Akatsuki that are going to die.
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 11:03
She looks nothing like Sasuke other than they both are shown with dark hair? Wtf are you guys talking about?!
-This proves it! We have seen too much of Sasuke lately and now we think every other character looks like him, even characters with the opposite gender :heh: (j/k). Damn, it's like a badly written fanfiction.
Damn, it's like a badly written fanfiction.It is more like a very rich - Sasuke-obsessed - brat is paying Kishi off for his extreme efforts leading that direction. I wonder for how much money did he sell his creativity for???
Well Suigetsu knowing about Sasuke is not something trivial or unbelievable, there a literally thousands of logical explanation for it.Sasuke giving information for things he does to the other lowly beings is a bit of a problem for me. And, at that moment, calling for Suigetsu, using whatever method he used (not something like a long-range transmitter), and Suigetsu sending Manda, the new puppy of the boss-summon world, doesn't look your typical kind of stuff. More like a forced leading. I hope the summons in other world would share this information with Gamabunta. I am sure he will laugh pretty hard when he meets Manda the next time...
I don’t see why Kishi needs to do specifically that to balance the act, heck, Kishi doesn’t even needs to Balance the act, is his manga.If Naruto can win against that demon out-of-Naruto world Sasuke, I won't mind. It will only make Kishi a bigger idiot for me, if the god fell from a tree that way...
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 11:16
It is more like a very rich - Sasuke-obsessed - brat is paying Kishi off for his extreme efforts leading that direction. I wonder for how much money did he sell his creativity for???
-Hmmm, about 250 thousand dollars (U.S of course), a Honda Civic, his own mansion on his own private island and his own personal harem of Sasuke-fangirls on said island would be my estimate :heh:...
If Naruto can win against that demon out-of-Naruto world Sasuke, I won't mind. It will only make Kishi a bigger idiot for me, if the god fell from a tree that way...
-Not even the power of a god is absolute. Great though it might be it does have one major flaw, it cannot grow any further once it reaches it's peak. On the other hand the power of man might start out weak but given proper nurturing the man's power has the ability to constantly grow, eventually exceeding the power of a god. If Sasuke is a "god" right now then it's just a matter of time before it is exceeded by someone else (for example Naruto). Great line though BTW, "god fell from a tree that way".
It is more like a very rich - Sasuke-obsessed - brat is paying Kishi off for his extreme efforts leading that direction. I wonder for how much money did he sell his creativity for???
I think he doesn’t need to get paid By a Sasuke obsessed brat, he is one…. :p
Seriously, if his choices are been influenced by an outside factor, it should be a combination of market trends and pressure from the Editors, in this case, those Sasuke obsessed Brat are those fans that buy the manga, which a lot of them has Sasuke as their favorite character.
Sasuke giving information for things he does to the other lowly beings is a bit of a problem for me. And, at that moment, calling for Suigetsu, using whatever method he used (not something like a long-range transmitter), and Suigetsu sending Manda, the new puppy of the boss-summon world, doesn't look your typical kind of stuff. More like a forced leading. I hope the summons in other world would share this information with Gamabunta. I am sure he will laugh pretty hard when he meets Manda the next time...
Well, the Manda stuff is apart, I’m not even going to touch that subject, I was only referring just to the fact he reached Sasuke…but..this Should not be a topic of concern when you have bigger and more questionable things at hand.(at least this chapter, for me, doesn’t seem more farfetched than how Sasuke did some things against Deidara)
If Naruto can win against that demon out-of-Naruto world Sasuke, I won't mind. It will only make Kishi a bigger idiot for me, if the god fell from a tree that way...
That’s why I said that Kishi doesn’t needs to rely on summoning Kyuby for it, and, Sasuke looked pretty defeatable against Deidara, Sasuke has cool toys, but Naruto has Wind on his side, that is Raiton weakness.
Well, I’m going to do what I promised in the last thread, and Im going to take a vacation from this week chapter discussion…
...and we can pretty much discard any sort of relationship between Fake AL, and Naruto...Forgot replying to that part...We may have lost one, but gained at least two, that real Akatsuki leader being Yondaime or someone we know is more alive than ever. And, the other theory that the third Uchiha can be the real leader can also gain ground with the release of the current chapter. Unless we see anything regarding that person, expect the speculations come one after the other.
And, with the ultra-plain goal they have, and losing members non-stop to a bunch of weaklings, I doubt Akatsuki will ever get interesting again...
Nintendo
2007-07-18, 11:52
i dont think tobi is dead. he hasnt even done anything to warrant a quick meaningless death. if they say hes dead, then a surprise hes alive and kicking will show up.
and the sasuke power up after power up...i no longer care how powerful he becomes. because no matter what, naruto will have to get as strong as that. and itachi will always be that little bit stronger.
Kazekage_Gaara
2007-07-18, 11:55
I like how some of you are immediately bagging on "the great" Sasuke for having to have being lent some chakra to summon Manda, when Deidara had to have Tobi plant those mines for him in their combo attack, PLUS he was there the whole time. I'm not a Sasuke-fanboy as I've said many times but stop putting him down just because you have failed to observe what the opponent did (and just out of pure hatred).
Most of you would say Sasuke would be dead if it weren't for Suigetsu in this spoiler and I agree, most likely true. But the whole fight would've turned out completely different if Tobi wasn't there to plant those sphere mines into the ground for Deidara. Everyone needed help in one form or the other.
They both ran out of chakra, of course he'd need help in summoning Manda. It's a Kage-level summon if I can remember.
That’s why I said that Kishi doesn’t needs to rely on summoning Kyuby for it, and, Sasuke looked pretty defeatable against Deidara, Sasuke has cool toys, but Naruto has Wind on his side, that is Raiton weakness.Let me just say this, Naruto as he is right now, does not stand a chance against Sasuke. Even if he finishes his wind jutsu or does the things he currently knows, still, that result will not change. Against Sasuke's genjutsu, Naruto currently has no way to protect himself. He cannot control himself, he cannot borrow Kyuubi's power, his summon cannot do anything, nothing. And, I doubt Sasuke would play the idiot against Naruto, a ninja with almost no genjutsu skill, and avoid using his sharingan. So, Kishi needs to come up with something completely out-of-ordinary if he wants to at least bring balance, forget about being the stronger one, that is not even an issue right now.
Kazekage_Gaara
2007-07-18, 12:02
Well they fought against Itachi pretty damn well, even though it was a shapeshifted clone. He still used the same genjutsu and he did get caught in it yes. But I doubt after that that he did not ask Kakashi to help him learn how to defeat/resist the genjutsu even more. Since Jiraiya taught him the basics, there has to be better methods for it and I'm 100% sure Kakashi could give Naruto a tip or two, even though he doesn't have the Sharingan.
Plus he has the Shadow Clones etc etc, there CAN be ways to avoid it. The thing I'm confused about now is, the Sharingan can tell which are the Shadow Clones right? I remember Sasuke being able to know (I could be wrong). So why in the anime (didn't read the manga for this part), does Itachi have to catch him in Tsukiyomi first to then realize he was a Kage Bunshin?
But I doubt after that that he did not ask Kakashi to help him learn how to defeat/resist the genjutsu even more. If Oro and Deidara, the two people who are the most obsessed ones regarding Sharingan, and the former being a very high-skilled genjutsu user himself, couldn't have a chance to achieve that feature, Naruto, who sucks at using/defending against genjutsu, and who cannot even stop looking at Sasuke for a second, does not have any kind of chance, especially since the word fair has been erased from the only vocabulary Sasuke follows.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-18, 12:10
Well, the Manda stuff is apart, I’m not even going to touch that subject, I was only referring just to the fact he reached Sasuke…but..this Should not be a topic of concern when you have bigger and more questionable things at hand.(at least this chapter, for me, doesn’t seem more farfetched than how Sasuke did some things against Deidara)
Yes. Now that we've finally been answered about the identites of the AL (except his name) and Pein found out that they are in fact answering to a higher authority, that brings up more questions, like why is it that the AL up until now has chosen only to speak through the fake AL? And what is his part in the sealing? Does he even have a ring?
And, with the ultra-plain goal they have, and losing members non-stop to a bunch of weaklings, I doubt Akatsuki will ever get interesting again...
You were expecting Akatsuki not to lose to the protagonists? And also, since we have learned the existence of an unknown leader, there might be an unknown goal as well besides the ultra-plain one we were first given.
Plus he has the Shadow Clones etc etc, there CAN be ways to avoid it. The thing I'm confused about now is, the Sharingan can tell which are the Shadow Clones right? I remember Sasuke being able to know (I could be wrong). So why in the anime (didn't read the manga for this part), does Itachi have to catch him in Tsukiyomi first to then realize he was a Kage Bunshin?
Sharingan cannot distinguish kage bunshin. That part with Sasuke claiming to be able to tell the difference was added as anime filler to the fight at VoTE. Sharingan can distinguish normal bunshin though.
workingclass
2007-07-18, 12:19
first off thank god they finally showed AL face. puts to rest the thousands of theories that he is yondaime.
secondly the animal boss fight between the 3 sannins. jiriya combined flame with the frogs oil to blast an insanely large area to defeat manda. what did manda do? he went underground in an instant to avoid the heavy blast.whos to say manda didnt do the same here. after all self preservation is greater than all.
and whats this about tobi being built up? only people who built tobi up where the fanbois who all thought tobi was obito. other than that tobi's whole appearance into the manga series has been nothing but filler or comic rise.
Let me just say this, Naruto as he is right now, does not stand a chance against Sasuke. Even if he finishes his wind jutsu or does the things he currently knows, still, that result will not change. Against Sasuke's genjutsu, Naruto currently has no way to protect himself. He cannot control himself, he cannot borrow Kyuubi's power, his summon cannot do anything, nothing. And, I doubt Sasuke would play the idiot against Naruto, a ninja with almost no genjutsu skill, and avoid using his sharingan. So, Kishi needs to come up with something completely out-of-ordinary if he wants to at least bring balance, forget about being the stronger one, that is not even an issue right now.
Just because he couldn't stop Itachi's genjutsu doesn't mean that he can't stop Sasuke's. Your entire post and the related string of conclusions has absolutely no basis.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 12:47
You people are obsessed with predicting the future in this series. To a point where its annoying, like whenever a spoiler comes out saying "looks like Tobi is dead" you all jump on a bandwagon and say "oh damn he's gone already?" then following with a prediction of what Kishimoto intended or where the series is going (usually how long it will last), ultimately trying to figure out the longevity and credibility of the series as a whole. Aren't you people supposed to be fans?
*groans*
Anyway... Tobi dead? Doubtful, just like Orochimaru.
AL DOES look like Naruto, but from a different village and orange hair. So some of you with your fantasies about him being Yondaime/Madara can rest. Maybe he's related to Naruto? A long lost brother perhaps? If so, this could correlate to a more detailed look at Naruto's mysterious past like his parents and so forth.
If indeed there is someone higher up then AL, maybe THAT could be Madara OR maybe even Yondaime but that's a longshot by a mile so lets not get too far ahead of ourselves.
+ u forget one important fact:
naruto is the number 1 suprising ninja :D
even the sharingan can be avoided by some uber crap move :D
Sasuke has cool toys, but Naruto has Wind on his side, that is Raiton weakness.
But Sasuke also has Katon on his side. Yamato warned Naruto about this. Which means Sasuke still has the advantage. Naruto needs more than wind. He needs to learn the water element to help counter Sasuke.
Sasuke was going to live so I don't care how Kishi decided to make that happen. The appearance of the BH and AL, Tobi and Deidara's death, and the reveal that there is a higher up in Akatsuki, make this chapter one of the most important in a long time.
You people are obsessed with predicting the future in this series. To a point where its annoying, like whenever a spoiler comes out saying "looks like Tobi is dead" you all jump on a bandwagon and say "oh damn he's gone already?" then following with a prediction of what Kishimoto intended or where the series is going (usually how long it will last), ultimately trying to figure out the longevity and credibility of the series as a whole. Aren't you people supposed to be fans?
*groans*
Anyway... Tobi dead? Doubtful, just like Orochimaru.
AL DOES look like Naruto, but from a different village and orange hair. So some of you with your fantasies about him being Yondaime/Madara can rest. Maybe he's related to Naruto? A long lost brother perhaps? If so, this could correlate to a more detailed look at Naruto's mysterious past like his parents and so forth.
If indeed there is someone higher up then AL, maybe THAT could be Madara OR maybe even Yondaime but that's a longshot by a mile so lets not get too far ahead of ourselves.
hahha you tell people to give it a rest that al is yondaime or madara and say that they are fantasies yet you pump your own fantasy that al is narutos brother and real al is yondaime or madara...so much creativity...+rep.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 12:55
hahha you tell people to give it a rest that al is yondaime or madara and say that they are fantasies yet you pump your own fantasy that al is narutos brother and real al is yondaime or madara...so much creativity...+rep.
I don't BELIEVE he is Naruto's brother unlike some people who constantly accept the delusion that the AL IS either Madara/Yondaime. So no, i'm not pumping any fantasy.
The only reason I stated the idea (that may or may not be true) is because of their resemblence. That's all. Hell maybe he's a clone? Or just looks like Naruto for no apparant reason? It doesn't really matter to me I just gave a theory without dropping my own blood on it believing it as truth like some crazed religious fanatic.
Read more carefully nexttime, because I do use the words "maybe" and "if so".
EvolutionXI
2007-07-18, 12:56
Hmm, I was just thinking about the storyline now that there seems to be a "final boss" above the Akatsuki leader. He's being sent after Naruto, and I doubt we'd have two consecutive major battles involving Sasuke, which is what we'd get if the next in the story was Itachi/Kisame. So next fight should be AL/Pein or maybe Zetsu/Tobi (assuming Tobi isn't actually dead). I wonder what would happen with the members if the AL were to somehow die before them...or if they were to find out that they might have been lied to this whole time about Akatsuki and it's goals.
Just because he couldn't stop Itachi's genjutsu doesn't mean that he can't stop Sasuke's. Your entire post and the related string of conclusions has absolutely no basis.Believe me, what I said has more basis than someone saying "Just because he couldn't stop Itachi's genjutsu doesn't mean that he can't stop Sasuke's". Neither Oro nor Deidara stood a chance against Sharingan. And, considering Naruto's level in handling genjutsu, it seems that what I said has some basis, whereas the other, which means your "opinion"(if you can call it so), does not even touch the b of that basis.
And, I really appreciate if you do not let me increase my post count by, indirectly, asking me to reply to senseless posts.
kind of stupid...really stupid everything about it other than more information on AL...
hopefully NEXT NEXT chapter will clear things up
Suna no tate
2007-07-18, 13:20
Funny thing to me that relates to a few other arguments: the akatsuki leaders headband isn't crossed out. The argument was wheter the crossing out was a universal sign (ie done by anyone) means you've turned your village or was just an akatsuki thing. Very interesting to me
ALso, I don't think tobi is dead. Quite simply put, I'm not sure how well briefed the akatsuki members are concerning each others abilities. Sure, deidara may know itachi is a genjutsu master, but he may not be aware of itachi's trump cards, just like itachi and rest were unaware of deidara's trump card. Basically, its very very well possible that akatsuki may only have a superficial knowledge of tobi's abilities, just like how for the most part, akatsuki probably only had a superficial knowledge of sasori's and deidara's abilities ; their trump cards and greatest techniques of course would remain hidden. If tobi's trump is some sort of dematerialization technique or even a decent tunneling technique that he kept to himself, well he's probably very well alive.
But yeah, the akatsuki leaders headband isn't crossed out. Very very interesting.
Obito Uchiha
2007-07-18, 13:24
Then i hope she fights Sakura :p
I hope she kills Sakura. That skank is annoying. Oh sasuke-kun...SHUT UP!
You people are obsessed with predicting the future in this series. To a point where its annoying, like whenever a spoiler comes out saying "looks like Tobi is dead" you all jump on a bandwagon and say "oh damn he's gone already?" then following with a prediction of what Kishimoto intended or where the series is going (usually how long it will last), ultimately trying to figure out the longevity and credibility of the series as a whole. Aren't you people supposed to be fans?
*groans*
Anyway... Tobi dead? Doubtful, just like Orochimaru.
AL DOES look like Naruto, but from a different village and orange hair. So some of you with your fantasies about him being Yondaime/Madara can rest. Maybe he's related to Naruto? A long lost brother perhaps? If so, this could correlate to a more detailed look at Naruto's mysterious past like his parents and so forth.
If indeed there is someone higher up then AL, maybe THAT could be Madara OR maybe even Yondaime but that's a longshot by a mile so lets not get too far ahead of ourselves.
I hope not
+ u forget one important fact:
naruto is the number 1 suprising ninja :D
even the sharingan can be avoided by some uber crap move :D
it's called no sharinganno jutsu....get it.:p
hahha you tell people to give it a rest that al is yondaime or madara and say that they are fantasies yet you pump your own fantasy that al is narutos brother and real al is yondaime or madara...so much creativity...+rep.
:D:D:D
I don't BELIEVE he is Naruto's brother unlike some people who constantly accept the delusion that the AL IS either Madara/Yondaime. So no, i'm not pumping any fantasy.
The only reason I stated the idea (that may or may not be true) is because of their resemblence. That's all. Hell maybe he's a clone? Or just looks like Naruto for no apparant reason? It doesn't really matter to me I just gave a theory without dropping my own blood on it believing it as truth like some crazed religious fanatic.
Read more carefully nexttime, because I do use the words "maybe" and "if so".
That's right... you did use maybe and if so, notice i highlited them for you. now allow me to demonstrate my expertise with the words maybe, if so, and thier repective synonyms.
Maybe..you shouldn't state the idea if you don't think it is true because you look like an idiot. If so you will take this advice to heart and never do something like this agian or perhaps(synonym for maybe), you just won't be stupid enough to admit it.:p J/K
Believe me, what I said has more basis than someone saying "Just because he couldn't stop Itachi's genjutsu doesn't mean that he can't stop Sasuke's". Neither Oro nor Deidara stood a chance against Sharingan. And, considering Naruto's level in handling genjutsu, it seems that what I said has some basis, whereas the other, which means your "opinion"(if you can call it so), does not even touch the b of that basis.
And, I really appreciate if you do not let me increase my post count by, indirectly, asking me to reply to senseless posts.
Stop bieng a dick:mad:
Funny thing to me that relates to a few other arguments: the akatsuki leaders headband isn't crossed out. The argument was wheter the crossing out was a universal sign (ie done by anyone) means you've turned your village or was just an akatsuki thing. Very interesting to me
yes it is. check again
workingclass
2007-07-18, 13:26
Funny thing to me that relates to a few other arguments: the akatsuki leaders headband isn't crossed out. The argument was wheter the crossing out was a universal sign (ie done by anyone) means you've turned your village or was just an akatsuki thing. Very interesting to me
ALso, I don't think tobi is dead. Quite simply put, I'm not sure how well briefed the akatsuki members are concerning each others abilities. Sure, deidara may know itachi is a genjutsu master, but he may not be aware of itachi's trump cards, just like itachi and rest were unaware of deidara's trump card. Basically, its very very well possible that akatsuki may only have a superficial knowledge of tobi's abilities, just like how for the most part, akatsuki probably only had a superficial knowledge of sasori's and deidara's abilities ; their trump cards and greatest techniques of course would remain hidden. If tobi's trump is some sort of dematerialization technique or even a decent tunneling technique that he kept to himself, well he's probably very well alive.
But yeah, the akatsuki leaders headband isn't crossed out. Very very interesting.
um if your referring to the guy with the grass forehead protector i would say yes it is very much crossed out the female the pic isnt big enough to see if she even has a forehead protector on. so what pic did you see that showed some form of forehead protector not crossed out?
um if your referring to the guy with the grass forehead protector i would say yes it is very much crossed out the female the pic isnt big enough to see if she even has a forehead protector on. so what pic did you see that showed some form of forehead protector not crossed out?
im pretty sure it is rain village not grass gass is /|/|/|/| and rain is | | | |
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 13:34
That's right... you did use maybe and if so, notice i highlited them for you. now allow me to demonstrate my expertise with the words maybe, if so, and thier repective synonyms.
Maybe..you shouldn't state the idea if you don't think it is true because you look like an idiot. If so you will take this advice to heart and never do something like this agian or perhaps(synonym for maybe), you just won't be stupid enough to admit it.:p J/K
Wtf...
Did you just antagonize that reply at me for no reason other than to antagonize?
For everyone else:
The whole point of a discussion thread is to discuss and if we're gonna shoot out theories about who he is now that his appearance has been revealed it only makes sense to ask why he looks like our goddamn blonde protagonist. I didn't say I didn't think it was true, I SAID I didn't believe it to be true because you can't know something until its established, unlike our AL = Madara/Yondaime conspiracy theorists. It may be true, it may not be true it DOESN'T MATTER TO ME because its not a fantasy. A fantasy implies a hypothetical situation that someone WANTS to happen. I don't WANT him to be related to Naruto, I don't give a shit if he is or isn't. I'm just pleased to see what he looks like, finally.
hidantheimmortal
2007-07-18, 13:46
Suigetsu popping out of nowhere would be the lamest thing ever. But it could happen, this is just shonen manga.
The other thing that's lame is that Manda can protect Sasuke from the blast. This blast is supposed to be uncounterable, at least at ground zero. Maybe 1 km away Manda could do the job, but Sasuke was right next to Deidara. However i will be ok with this solution if Manda dies in the process. So i hope the price is Manda's life, than Deidara didn't die for nothing. Anyway Manda would be useless against Itachi if he can disable it with a genjutsu.
Some years ago we had a debate of how could Itachi be stronger than sannins who have giant summons. My idea was that he could use MS to either cast genjutsu or do an amaterasu and burn them to death. From this spoiler it seems that even the regular sharingan can beat a boss summon. Well it was to be expected after we saw Sasuke in Naruto's mind dealing with the demon fox. A mere Manda cannot stand in the way of the great sharingan :D
I think that Tobi survived, however if his ability and past will be explained when Zetsu is properly introduced than there's no reason to let Tobi live. If there is someone who commands the akatsuki leader than it could be that Tobi is secretly that person's subordinate who is reporting to that person about akatsuki. Anything can be possible, i guess those who think the real leader is Madara will now be happy, and we will have more theories about the real leader being Madara, who is also the 3rd MS user. Also those who have theoires about Itachi being on a secret mission may be happy now, Itachi maybe wants to defeat the real leader, and maybe the Uchiha clan was killed by Madara after all :D
I just want to say on thing about that post. If the Tengu King theory is true than Madara can't be the third MS user (in case you don't know the Tengu King story I'll say later). And as Saskue father has said "In the past there has been only few who have mastered this legendary jutsu" so since the MS was only mastered in the past the third MS user can be any of those few people and that makes Madara deceased.
Obito Uchiha
2007-07-18, 13:46
Wtf...
Did you just antagonize that reply at me for no reason other than to antagonize?
For everyone else:
The whole point of a discussion thread is to discuss and if we're gonna shoot out theories about who he is now that his appearance has been revealed it only makes sense to ask why he looks like our goddamn blonde protagonist. I didn't say I didn't think it was true, I SAID I didn't believe it to be true because you can't know something until its established, unlike our AL = Madara/Yondaime conspiracy theorists. It may be true, it may not be true it DOESN'T MATTER TO ME because its not a fantasy. A fantasy implies a hypothetical situation that someone WANTS to happen. I don't WANT him to be related to Naruto, I don't give a shit if he is or isn't. I'm just pleased to see what he looks like, finally.
No...i was just kidding...notice the J/K at the end of it?
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 13:49
No...i was just kidding...notice the J/K at the end of it?
Yeah I did, so you antagonized as a joke.
nine_tailed_kyuubi
2007-07-18, 13:52
I just want to say on thing about that post. If the Tengu King theory is true than Madara can't be the third MS user (in case you don't know the Tengu King story I'll say later). And as Saskue father has said "In the past there has been only few who have mastered this legendary jutsu" so since the MS was only mastered in the past the third MS user can be any of those few people and that makes Madara deceased.
I thought u were too much ahead of us so you already know what was going to happen anyway after they introduced the AL and u said u r 100 chapters ahead of us can u tell us his name ?!!
Believe me, what I said has more basis than someone saying "Just because he couldn't stop Itachi's genjutsu doesn't mean that he can't stop Sasuke's". Neither Oro nor Deidara stood a chance against Sharingan. And, considering Naruto's level in handling genjutsu, it seems that what I said has some basis, whereas the other, which means your "opinion"(if you can call it so), does not even touch the b of that basis.
And, I really appreciate if you do not let me increase my post count by, indirectly, asking me to reply to senseless posts.
We know that Naruto received training from Jiraiya, and the only stick that we have to gauge his level of improvement is the best genjutsu user in the series. What I said was simple fact. I stated that we don't know, and I was right. Seems like it has all the basis that it needs. You, on the other hand, drew conjectures from assumptions. Doesn't make it any less baseless.
Suna no tate
2007-07-18, 13:54
oops.. guess it is. Guess he's not so interesting after all. But whats with the creepy eyes?
Obito Uchiha
2007-07-18, 13:58
Yeah I did, so you antagonized as a joke.
Obviously you feel very strongly about this. I already told you it was a joke if you feel antagonised about it...well then that's how you feel. If i did something wrong i would have apologised. but im not going to so squash it and stop talking about it. And please don't send me another reply because if your this hurt about something this trivial then you need to either think about how stupid this thing is or just suck it up!
I thought u were too much ahead of us so you already know what was going to happen anyway after they introduced the AL and u said u r 100 chapters ahead of us can u tell us his name ?!!
I was there too. I already asked him to tell us but he didn't say anything back
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 14:02
Obviously you feel very strongly about this. I already told you it was a joke if you feel antagonised about it...well then that's how you feel. If i did something wrong i would have apologised. but im not going to so squash it and stop talking about it. And please don't send me another reply because if your this hurt about something this trivial then you need to either think about how stupid this thing is or just suck it up!
I'm not hurt, it just wasn't funny. More along the lines of pointless and rude if you only quoted me about something that didn't involve you to crack a joke for no reason. So like I said, you antagonized just to antagonize for no apparent reason. Key word being antagonize.
Damn. I thought Tobi was alive cause after they said he was dead we got Tobi going "...." But Hexa said that was added by the spoiler guy.
Obito Uchiha
2007-07-18, 14:05
I'm not hurt, it just wasn't funny. More along the lines of pointless and rude if you only quoted me about something that didn't involve you to crack a joke for no reason. So like I said, you antagonized just to antagonize for no apparent reason.
Whatever...feel how you want to feel were just spamming up this thread with this crap so like i said lets just forget about it.
Don't feed the troll Obito. I've found it very effective to make use of the "ignore list" that these forums provide. I can't get pissed off at things a troll says if I can't possibly read them.
Edit: Haha I love seeing that other ninja's name in front of a post that I can't read on the first post of next page.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 14:09
And yet another naysayer uninvolved running his gums. He acts like he doesn't give a shit but always comments when I get into an argument. Why do you open your mouth around my comments at all? Don't play it off like you're over anything because we all know you take things personally.
And yet another naysayer uninvolved running his gums. He acts like he doesn't give a shit but always comments when I get into an argument. Why do you open your mouth around my comments at all? Don't play it off like you're over anything because we all know you take things personally.
Dude this is the Chapter 363 Discussion thread, enough with the pointless arguments.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 14:22
Dude this is the Chapter 363 Discussion thread, enough with the pointless arguments.
Hey, they start jibber jabbering at me when they're not involved in my posts so don't look at me.
Ero-Senn1n
2007-07-18, 14:24
I just want to say on thing about that post. If the Tengu King theory is true than Madara can't be the third MS user (in case you don't know the Tengu King story I'll say later). And as Saskue father has said "In the past there has been only few who have mastered this legendary jutsu" so since the MS was only mastered in the past the third MS user can be any of those few people and that makes Madara deceased.
From the moment the kyuubi mentions Madara he is not just one of the past MS users, there should be something more important about him. What we know for sure is that there is a 3rd MS user, and he is unknown (not the AL), so we know only the name Madara and nothing else which is just enough to make theories.
As for the death of Madara, i have to say that if Madara is the one above the AL (=the guy who was known as AL) than it is perfectly logical that he has achieved eternal life. I mean half of akatsuki members were immortal: Orochimaru, Sasori, Hidan, Kakuzu. If these guys could achieve immortality than it would be nonsense that someone on a higher level cannot achieve immortality.
It may be that Madara is someone who Orochimaru wanted to be: immortal, have the sharingan and copied thousands of jutsu with it, so he knows unbeliveably lots of jutsu. I liked the idea of Orochimaru's dream, but he is now gone, it would be interesting if the final villain of this manga were a ninja who has already achieved Orochimaru's dream. His only weakness could be that he does not have unlimited chakra, but here we have the demons...
Ok so now we have 3 people who almost look the same.
Naruto, Yondaime, and the supposedly Akatsuki leader. I hope Kishimoto did it on purpose for a plot twist and not that he's lazy designing new characters.
Ero-Senn1n
2007-07-18, 14:29
Ok so now we have 3 people who almost look the same.
Naruto, Yondaime, and the supposedly Akatsuki leader. I hope Kishimoto did it on purpose for a plot twist and not that he's lazy designing new characters.
They may be related... or not :)
Onegai twins :D
we need the ninja formerly known as AL's name now.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 14:33
Ok so now we have 3 people who almost look the same.
Naruto, Yondaime, and the supposedly Akatsuki leader. I hope Kishimoto did it on purpose for a plot twist and not that he's lazy designing new characters.
There's no way Naruto/AL's appearance is unintentional. THEY look almost identical with each line representing their faces. Yondaime compared to both just has a reasonable similarity but they don't look identical. Naruto isn't going to look like Yondaime when he grows up.
Ok so now we have 3 people who almost look the same.
Naruto, Yondaime, and the supposedly Akatsuki leader. I hope Kishimoto did it on purpose for a plot twist and not that he's lazy designing new characters.
well this is most liekly for sure been mentioned somewhere but AL could still be naruto's dad even though he isn;t the 4th... now that we know his face how long till we know his name you think? i see a cliffhanger where he says "boku wa uzumaki ______"
nine_tailed_kyuubi
2007-07-18, 14:52
And yet another naysayer uninvolved running his gums. He acts like he doesn't give a shit but always comments when I get into an argument. Why do you open your mouth around my comments at all? Don't play it off like you're over anything because we all know you take things personally.
Just IGNOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE lol
This is to all users : someone was asking about the name of the AL we don't know it yet there is auser here who said he is 100 chapters ahead of us so he sure knows the name, i asked him to spoil for me the next 100 chapters he refused, y ? it is always fun to spoil tell us hidantheimmortal .
Sure there seems a connection between the leader and Naruto, they look very similar and the strange voice asking him to kill Naruto !! he could be his father or a relative although he is from a different village but that is not really a problem, Orochimaru used to wear the konoha head protector , after that he wore the sound. Also maybe Naruto was broned and raised in Konoha but his father is originally from the rain i guess. Again they look identical to me, i sent the pic to a friend, he thought it was an edited Naruto photoshop pic .
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 15:07
Sure there seems a connection between the leader and Naruto, they look very similar and the strange voice asking him to kill Naruto !! he could be his father or a relative although he is from a different village but that is not really a problem, Orochimaru used to wear the konoha head protector , after that he wore the sound. Also maybe Naruto was broned and raised in Konoha but his father is originally from the rain i guess. Again they look identical to me, i sent the pic to a friend, he thought it was an edited Naruto photoshop pic .
-You know what would be even more hilarious? That if Kishimoto made Naruto and the "AL" meet in combat and later on reveal it so that they are not connected to one another at all (as not in related at all) just to drive all the people who read the series bonkers.
Kishimoto: Oh BTW, the Akatsuki Leader and Naruto are not related. Psyche!
Naruto fans: WHAT!? *They gather torches and pitchforks and go on a Kishimoto Hunt*
Well, At least I needed to reply this, I’m not good at not answering to people questions:
But Sasuke also has Katon on his side. Yamato warned Naruto about this. Which means Sasuke still has the advantage. Naruto needs more than wind. He needs to learn the water element to help counter Sasuke.
I was thinking more that Sasuke has specialized himself in Raiton, whereas maybe he does not have such type of versatility in jutsus for Katon. The Katon could very well be supplemental element for Sasuke right now. Also remember that a very strong wind can dwarf the Fire (similar to how Sasuke Katon could not melt Hakus Ice)
Either way, this line goes for Sazelyt and others that are worrying too much about Sasuke vs Naruto:
Is it 100% certain Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight again? The author might very well do a Flame of Recca type of plot:
While is has its differences, basically is a fight of the principal character and the “final” Enemy, they fight, and the good guy defeats this character, but the Manga goes on and that other bad guys continues to live acting as a wild card with weight in the plot (basically just like Sasuke is right now), needless to say, He never fought against the principal character after this
And I agree with That Other Ninja, I don’t like the idea of Naruto been related to the bad guy, in My opinion the Star wars soap opera of “Luke I Am your father” is overused, and has become cheesy, and I really hope Kishi don’t use it as a plot option.
Also, as far as fact are concerned, we have more reason to believe that they are not related, whereas there are really no reason to believe they should be related.(spare me the “similarities”arguement).
Now I can go to vacations. :D
Well, At least I needed to reply this, I’m not good at not answering to people questions:
I was thinking more that Sasuke has specialized himself in Raiton, whereas maybe he does not have such type of versatility in jutsus for Katon. The Katon could very well be supplemental element for Sasuke right now. Also remember that a very strong wind can dwarf the Fire (similar to how Sasuke Katon could not melt Hakus Ice)
Either way, this line goes for Sazelyt and others that are worrying too much about Sasuke vs Naruto:
Is it 100% certain Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight again? The author might very well do a Flame of Recca type of plot:
While is has its differences, basically is a fight of the principal character and the “final” Enemy, they fight, and the good guy defeats this character, but the Manga goes on and that other bad guys continues to live acting as a wild card with weight in the plot (basically just like Sasuke is right now), needless to say, He never fought against the principal character after this
And I agree with That Other Ninja, I don’t like the idea of Naruto been related to the bad guy, in My opinion the Star wars soap opera of “Luke I Am your father” is overused, and has become cheesy, and I really hope Kishi don’t use it as a plot option.
Also, as far as fact are concerned, we have more reason to believe that they are not related, whereas there are really no reason to believe they should be related.(spare me the “similarities”arguement).
Now I can go to vacations. :D
Sasuke's fire was dwarfed by Haku's Ice, because.. Water > Fire....
And because it was a plot device.
:rolleyes: <- my reaction in a nutshell...
Sasuke's fire was dwarfed by Haku's Ice, because.. Water > Fire....
And because it was a plot device.
NO, because as stated by Haku, the level of Sasukes fire was not enough to melt the ice. Meaning a fire jutsu strong enough could had melted the ice.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-18, 16:29
Either way, this line goes for Sazelyt and others that are worrying too much about Sasuke vs Naruto:
Is it 100% certain Naruto and Sasuke are going to fight again? The author might very well do a Flame of Recca type of plot:
I think Naruto and Sasuke fighting again is a definite thing. There's been a lot of build up to it
- Oro comparing Naruto's strength to Sasuke's at the Tenchikyou
- Naruto stating that his goal is to surpass Sasuke's strength during the KB training
- Kakashi's comment and the image of Sasuke appearing before Naruto fights Kakuzu
-Naruto and Sasuke having each trained under Oro and Jiraiya respectively, who were themselves old rivals.
There's a lot of concern over the seemingly large gap between Sasuke and Naruto, but there's plenty of time for him to develop. Naruto will be strong enough when the time comes, because this is shounen.
People aren't letting you go on vacation huh, Rurik?
And I agree with That Other Ninja, I don’t like the idea of Naruto been related to the bad guy, in My opinion the Star wars soap opera of “Luke I Am your father” is overused, and has become cheesy, and I really hope Kishi don’t use it as a plot option.
I'd like to learn more about Naruto's origins, but I agree that option doesn't fit well.
BlackShinobi07
2007-07-18, 16:32
I have to say this so called "comfirmed spoiler" seems so fake its not even funny. Too many things are thrown at us in this one chapter and it all sounds like BS. To start off, the AL and Unknown member are revealed out of nowhere, Suigetsu saves Sasuke by summoning Manda or helps Sasuke summon him(when did he learn to summon Manda if he was stuck in that tank), Sasuke casts a genjutsu on Manda then hides in his stomach, Tobi dies(WTF! We didnt even get know him or see what hes capable of), its revealed that the AL was just the a sobordinate of a "higher power", and now the former AL is being commanded to kill Naruto (didnt they want the jinchurikis alive to extract the biju?). I'm calling this spoiler complete BS.
What happened to Narutos team? Did they not hear that huge explosion or any of Deidaras explosionss for that matter? Not to metion at this point in the story, with all thats been revealed according to the "comfirmed spoiler", team eights inclusion in this arc is completely pointless and overshadowed.
I do have to admit, if those spoiler pics are fake, they look quite legitimate.
BlackShinobi07
2007-07-18, 16:34
There's a lot of concern over the seemingly large gap between Sasuke and Naruto, but there's plenty of time for him to develop. Naruto will be strong enough when the time comes, because this is shounen.
I'm sure Sasuke would also be increasing his skills. I doubt he'll just be sitting around while Naruto is training.
nine_tailed_kyuubi
2007-07-18, 17:06
-You know what would be even more hilarious? That if Kishimoto made Naruto and the "AL" meet in combat and later on reveal it so that they are not connected to one another at all (as not in related at all) just to drive all the people who read the series bonkers.
Kishimoto: Oh BTW, the Akatsuki Leader and Naruto are not related. Psyche!
Naruto fans: WHAT!? *They gather torches and pitchforks and go on a Kishimoto Hunt*
lol pretty much this is what he is doing now lol i bet people who kept arguing about the AL being Yondaime since the beginning of the series feel really like an ass now lol
Let me just say this, Naruto as he is right now, does not stand a chance against Sasuke. Even if he finishes his wind jutsu or does the things he currently knows, still, that result will not change. Against Sasuke's genjutsu, Naruto currently has no way to protect himself. He cannot control himself, he cannot borrow Kyuubi's power, his summon cannot do anything, nothing. And, I doubt Sasuke would play the idiot against Naruto, a ninja with almost no genjutsu skill, and avoid using his sharingan. So, Kishi needs to come up with something completely out-of-ordinary if he wants to at least bring balance, forget about being the stronger one, that is not even an issue right now.
Why does Naruto have to counter or catch up to Sasuke? They have no reasons to fight. They both want to stop Itachi. Naruto making Sasuke return to konoha using force is pointless and would make naruto seem selfish. Also, Konoha has no reason to go after sasuke either, he's taking care of their problems (orichmaru, deidara) for them. Tsunade, the current hokage, also "abandoned" the village for a time and konoha didn't seem to care.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 18:31
Why does Naruto have to counter or catch up to Sasuke? They have no reasons to fight. They both want to stop Itachi. Naruto making Sasuke return to konoha using force is pointless and would make naruto seem selfish. Also, Konoha has no reason to go after sasuke either, he's taking care of their problems (orichmaru, deidara) for them. Tsunade, the current hokage, also "abandoned" the village for a time and konoha didn't seem to care.
Because that's the direction his character is going in.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-18, 18:35
Why does Naruto have to counter or catch up to Sasuke? They have no reasons to fight. They both want to stop Itachi. Naruto making Sasuke return to konoha using force is pointless and would make naruto seem selfish. Also, Konoha has no reason to go after sasuke either, he's taking care of their problems (orichmaru, deidara) for them. Tsunade, the current hokage, also "abandoned" the village for a time and konoha didn't seem to care.
Naruto going after Sasuke has never really made sense. But he'll keep going after him because he's already given his word. They'll eventually fight because they're rivals and Naruto will catch up to Sasuke because he's the main hero of the story. Like That Other Ninja said, it's the direction of his character.
I'm sure Sasuke would also be increasing his skills. I doubt he'll just be sitting around while Naruto is training.
Yes, just like Sasuke was training his ass off pre-timeskip and Naruto still narrowed the gap between them. That's a large part of the reason Sasuke felt he wasn't getting strong fast enough and decided to seek training from Oro.
Rurouni Zeke
2007-07-18, 18:37
Why does Naruto have to counter or catch up to Sasuke? They have no reasons to fight. They both want to stop Itachi. Naruto making Sasuke return to konoha using force is pointless and would make naruto seem selfish. Also, Konoha has no reason to go after sasuke either, he's taking care of their problems (orichmaru, deidara) for them. Tsunade, the current hokage, also "abandoned" the village for a time and konoha didn't seem to care.
People keep saying this like it's some kind of end all be all, but I think this current fight is evidence that reasons to fight can be easily manufactured. The whole beef Deidara had with Itachi (and Sasuke by association I guess :uhoh: ) was pretty much made up out of nowhere and suddenly there's a deathmatch. Heck, all it took was a little jealousy to start the rooftop skirmish. Never underestimate a mangaka's ability to throw in a fanservice fight. It's not guaranteed that they'll fight again, but it certainly isn't out of the question just because there doesn't seem to be a reason at this particular point.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 18:37
Yes, just like Sasuke was training his ass off pre-timeskip and Naruto still narrowed the gap between them. That's a large part of the reason Sasuke felt he wasn't getting strong fast enough and decided to seek training from Oro.
Well now that Orochimaru is "gone" what will he do now?
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-18, 18:48
Well now that Orochimaru is "gone" what will he do now?
Sasuke had already reached the limit with Oro's training since he was about to take over his body anyway when he defeated him. The only thing left is killing Itachi.
With Deidara gone and Tobi "dead" Sasuke doesn't have much to do at the moment. It's too soon for Itachi, and the rest of Akatsuki will probably be handled by other characters. There's still Kabuto/Oro though. And Sasuke might even fight some other Konoha nin besides Naruto as a measuring stick. But we won't see any of that for awhile.
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 19:27
-There is something that cannot yet bring myself to comprehend. Sazelyt mentioned this himself a while back but: exactly how will Naruto catch up with Sasuke? While I am grinding my teeth for posting this I have to admit that Sasuke is looking a lot more impressive in terms of combat than Naruto. Don't get me wrong, Fuuton: Rasenshuriken made a splendid debut but I find it a little hard to believe that Naruto is right now superior to Kakashi (even if he himself has stated it to be true). Maybe I am being reluctant for nothing but in all honesty I cannot even fathom how Naruto could stand up to a fully rested Sasuke...
BlackShinobi07
2007-07-18, 19:31
-There is something that cannot yet bring myself to comprehend. Sazelyt mentioned this himself a while back but: exactly how will Naruto catch up with Sasuke? While I am grinding my teeth for posting this I have to admit that Sasuke is looking a lot more impressive in terms of combat than Naruto. Don't get me wrong, Fuuton: Rasenshuriken made a splendid debut but I find it a little hard to believe that Naruto is right now superior to Kakashi (even if he himself has stated it to be true). Maybe I am being reluctant for nothing but in all honesty I cannot even fathom how Naruto could stand up to a fully rested Sasuke...
I agree with you 100%. I really don't believe that Narutos one all powerfull jutsu is enough to put him on Kakashis level.
-There is something that cannot yet bring myself to comprehend. Sazelyt mentioned this himself a while back but: exactly how will Naruto catch up with Sasuke? While I am grinding my teeth for posting this I have to admit that Sasuke is looking a lot more impressive in terms of combat than Naruto. Don't get me wrong, Fuuton: Rasenshuriken made a splendid debut but I find it a little hard to believe that Naruto is right now superior to Kakashi (even if he himself has stated it to be true). Maybe I am being reluctant for nothing but in all honesty I cannot even fathom how Naruto could stand up to a fully rested Sasuke...
I really hope Naruto has something up his sleeve that we haven't seen. Years of training and still his jutsu variety is nowhere near Sasukes, that is something that i find veryyyyyyyy disappointing.
-There is something that cannot yet bring myself to comprehend. Sazelyt mentioned this himself a while back but: exactly how will Naruto catch up with Sasuke? While I am grinding my teeth for posting this I have to admit that Sasuke is looking a lot more impressive in terms of combat than Naruto. Don't get me wrong, Fuuton: Rasenshuriken made a splendid debut but I find it a little hard to believe that Naruto is right now superior to Kakashi (even if he himself has stated it to be true). Maybe I am being reluctant for nothing but in all honesty I cannot even fathom how Naruto could stand up to a fully rested Sasuke...
Naruto is the underdog. He is suppose to stand up to insurmountable odds. It makes perfect sense for Naruto to go into their fight badly outmatched. So when he beats Sasuke, it makes the victory so much more impressive.
Kishimoto has also made a big deal about the "Will of Fire". Ninja who have it defeat those that don't. It will probably come into play when Naruto and Sasuke fight again.
BlackShinobi07
2007-07-18, 19:44
Naruto is the underdog. He is suppose to stand up to insurmountable odds. It makes perfect sense for Naruto to go into their fight badly outmatched. So when he beats Sasuke, it makes the victory so much more impressive.
Kishimoto has also made a big deal about the "Will of Fire". Ninja who have it defeat those that don't. It will probably come into play when Naruto and Sasuke fight again.
At this point, at there current levels, if Naruto beats Sasuke it will be nothing more than plot device. Or he may just use the kyuubi agian, but even the kyuubis power didnt give him the win in there first fight. Plus, based on the mangas logic ,right now it may be impossible for Naruto to beat Sasuke. He simply doesn't have the skill to do it.
Ooops. Starting to go off-topic again.
New spoilers
trans of #10 by Asuma from NF...
AL : As for the progress, it's meaningless without new members. If we have new members, the we can continue our goal.
BH : It's more important to get new strong members. Stronger ones than the previous ones.
AL : We can keep in touch if we set off here. (need some correction)
BH : Sooner or later it will be a bother staying here.
AL : This is the place whate we seize, but we have to move to a bigger place.
Also a japanese guy (boyakist649) translated this
Picture of Akatsuki Leader:
「お前が狩れ」
looks like a slight typo on the Japanese text of spoiler above. The translation was correct, the original spoiler was not.
it says: "You capture him" - not 'kill him' as mentioned above.
Perhaps this clears some confusion
HOLD UP:topicoff:
if DEIDARA AND TOBI are dead that means there are only two teams in akatsuki left and that iS PEIN AND fake AL and ITACHI AND KISAME.
Medalist
2007-07-18, 20:52
And then there's Zetsu...
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I notice alot of people think it's fishy about the spoilers for next chapter but you have to realize, that kishi is wrapping this story up or, Tobi is just Tobi nobody else and he wasn't any other person plain and simple. Any one of those people could get away, just make up an excuse for it, since this is fiction.
Secondly the AL pic didn't blow alot of theories down the drain, It could be anyone from Madara to Yondaime to a Sarutobi to whoever. They could've switched villages, they could've been born in those villages, all you need to do is put imagination into the plot and there you go it's all changed.
The only hot thing about the next chapter is probably AL and Pein's "info / whatever", Will Tobi survive?, What happens aferwards, name of AL?, or wait......
The plot thickens lol.
maybe tobi live and go onto zetsu's team
According to the same Akatsuki guys, Hidan and Oro are also dead. But, neither is dead, just incapable of doing anything right now. So, if they say Tobi is dead without any evidence, then, it may be possible that he is still alive.
Naruto is the underdog. He is suppose to stand up to insurmountable odds. It makes perfect sense for Naruto to go into their fight badly outmatched. So when he beats Sasuke, it makes the victory so much more impressive.Unfortunately, without having any tool to defend against the highly-overpowered Sharingan eyes, his only chance is him being extremely lucky and Sasuke being extremely unlucky - which does not seem to have any kind of possibility of happening due to various reasons. And, if, say, Naruto wins the fight that way, it won't be impressive at all. It will only lower the quality of the series more. So, I don't expect them to fight unless Naruto develops the most effective technique to defend against Sharingan - a technique that neither Deidara nor Orochimaru was able to develop despite their experience, knowledge, and intelligence. Regardless of how stupid that sounds, unnecessarily overpowering Sharingan has opened the path to allow such ridiculous achievements.
Medalist
2007-07-18, 21:04
Tobi will most likely live to see the next day...they just say he's dead cuz of the "supposed" shockwave.
Sasuke used genjutsu on Tobi and put him in his pocket before using genjutsu on Manda and entering its pocket.
At this point, at there current levels, if Naruto beats Sasuke it will be nothing more than plot device. Or he may just use the kyuubi agian, but even the kyuubis power didnt give him the win in there first fight. Plus, based on the mangas logic ,right now it may be impossible for Naruto to beat Sasuke. He simply doesn't have the skill to do it.
Ooops. Starting to go off-topic agian.
So 4 tail naruto will still lose?
Sasuke used genjutsu on Tobi and put him in his pocket before using genjutsu on Manda and entering its pocket.
Then they skipped on to candy cane lane....... I think I'm gonna take a break from Naruto, this is just plain lame. Is he running out of character designs? AL looks just like Naruto, and this girl is basically the like any other girl but with different hair.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-18, 22:41
I have no idea why you people think this story is going to end soon.
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 22:46
I have no idea why you people think this story is going to end soon.
-Because the Akatsuki Organization is losing members faster than the Stock Market crash of 1929.
Justice Knight
2007-07-18, 22:46
I have no idea why you people think this story is going to end soon.
cos kishi said that the naruto is not a long story,correct me if i am wrong[this was somewhere in the interview where he talks about sasuke]
wats up with the AL pic,i hope thats real.If tobi gonna fight sasuke next,its better that the fight not gonna be interuppted
EvolutionXI
2007-07-18, 22:53
-Because the Akatsuki Organization is losing members faster than the Stock Market crash of 1929.
But if you look back, only about half of them have died (Sasori, Hidan, Kakuzu, Deidara, Tobi [assuming it's true, which I doubt it is]), still leaving Zetsu, Itachi, Kisame, Pein, AL, the new unknown commander, and an unfinished Orochimaru bit. With background relating to at least a few of them, the lead-ups to the battles, and the battles themselves, that's still quite a bit to go.
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-18, 23:12
But if you look back, only about half of them have died (Sasori, Hidan, Kakuzu, Deidara, Tobi [assuming it's true, which I doubt it is]), still leaving Zetsu, Itachi, Kisame, Pein, AL, the new unknown commander, and an unfinished Orochimaru bit. With background relating to at least a few of them, the lead-ups to the battles, and the battles themselves, that's still quite a bit to go.
-That may be so but look at it this way: how fast are they being wasted by the protagonists in the storyline? Within a span of about 20(+/-) chapters, they lost 3 members (4 if you believe Tobi's death to be genuine). Regardless of their longevity I am rather excited that we get to see Pein and the Akatsuki Leader in full. Something tells me they'll outlast any other member thus far (excluding Itachi of course). Although this worries me since this pair looks like they mean busines and they may be the one's to actually capture Naruto...
tkdtiger
2007-07-18, 23:16
cos kishi said that the naruto is not a long story,correct me if i am wrong[this was somewhere in the interview where he talks about sasuke]
wats up with the AL pic,i hope thats real.If tobi gonna fight sasuke next,its better that the fight not gonna be interuppted
I don't remember him saying it was going short...so far he has said he has alot planned for naruto and the other teams as well as saying he's almost half-way through, which sadly so far Kishimoto hasn't exactly done much with the other teams...I wouldn't be surprised if he ended Naruto for a little while and than has another major timeskip and continue from there, similar to Gantz and maybe even more similar to how Toriyama did DB and DBZ...I think he may be trying to end this segment of Naruto soon since it seems Akatsuki is getting killed off pretty quick, although I have to agree with some of the others that Kish. seems to be expanding Naruto...which fit into my theory that Kish. may take an extended break from Naruto fairly soon...
OMG thanks for ruining the allure, mystery, and badassery of the "AL" Kishi! GOSH!!! Wait all this time to see what this unknown enigma can do only to find out he is just someone else's subordinate. Honestly, I wouldn't mind this if it was revealed much later after the AL's real introduction, say after he's literally beat to a pulp by our heroes, but no, at the same exact time we get to finally see the AL! Sad, truly sad. Gotta read it for myself.:frustrated:
ghstwrld
2007-07-18, 23:22
Does anyone else feel like kishimoto has no idea what he's doing? Naruto always had a haphazard quality, but now more so than usual. He introduces new plot points at the most inoppurtune moments, long standing plot threads are concluded with little to no pay off (how the hell do you kill off oro and have no reaction reaction from jiraiya or tsunade, the sai/danzou debacle), etc.
Basically, shit happens.
BlackShinobi07
2007-07-18, 23:26
So 4 tail naruto will still lose?
Lets not forget Sasuke can now surpress the fox chakra. Naruto transformations are out of the question, at least when fighting Sasuke anyway.
-On topic-
I agree with the posters who say Kishi is losing his mind with this latest chapter. The introduction of AL and the unknown member (Im not refering to her by the name given by the spoiler because until I read the chapter for myself I still consider this "confirmed spoiler" BS) seems very random and out of place at this poit in the manga since we were right in the middle of the concluding Sasuke and Deidara fight. However, the fact that he's throwing so much at us all at once may imply he's really trying to wrap up the series as fast as he can. I don't understand why he would do such a thing though. As popular as Naruto is he must be raking in the money. If I were him i would milk this serious for every last drop I could get.
Lets not forget Sasuke can now surpress the fox chakra. Naruto transformations are a out of the question, at least when fighting Sasuke anyway.
Suppress the kyuubi chakra before it ever emerges, but what about when the chakra is already leaked out? That's the question. It's very unlikely that once Kyuubi takes full control of Naruto, Sasuke could just merely genjutsu his way in and do what he did to kyuubi way back when, before naruto allowed it to take control. Then again, Kishi's crazy about Sasuke, so w/e.
................Sasuke using a genjutsu to get inside Manda like he did with Naruto huh? Sounds extremely deus ex machina, but we've seen plenty of that now haven't we. Sad that such an awesome char like Diedra has to die, but it was inevitable.
prolifik
2007-07-19, 00:17
Maybe with all of the recent deaths of Akatsuki members, Kishi is trying to show that they weren't meant to be the end all be all villians for the manga like we thought they were. The only reason why we may have thought they were supposed to be bad asses is because we were looking at them through the eyes of shinobi that were much lesser than them at that time. (eg. Rookie 9-Genins, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, Kurenai-Elite Jounins)
I know that some people may try to refute this by mentioning Jiraiya, but they recgnized his skill and took some precautions accordingly.
Now that everyone has significantly raised their level, the members of Akatsuki don't seem as overpowered, because they are closer to the same level or they have huge advantages in their favor (eg. Shikamaru-Week worth of planning, His intelligence, Sakura-Chiyo).
Of course Itachi and Kisame are still some of the main villians along with maybe the real AL and Kabuchimaru.
Suppress the kyuubi chakra before it ever emerges, but what about when the chakra is already leaked out? That's the question. It's very unlikely that once Kyuubi takes full control of Naruto, Sasuke could just merely genjutsu his way in and do what he did to kyuubi way back when, before naruto allowed it to take control. Then again, Kishi's crazy about Sasuke, so w/e.
................Sasuke using a genjutsu to get inside Manda like he did with Naruto huh? Sounds extremely deus ex machina, but we've seen plenty of that now haven't we. Sad that such an awesome char like Diedra has to die, but it was inevitable.
Lol yeah....Naruto would totally owned by Sasuke right now. Even if he were to use his wind rasengan attack, I doubt Naruto would be able to be fast enough to land it.
Lol yeah....Naruto would totally owned by Sasuke right now. Even if he were to use his wind rasengan attack, I doubt Naruto would be able to be fast enough to land it.
Can he even use the wind rasengan? He doesn't want to kill Sasuke. Just make him see the light.
So he can't even use his best jutsu.
Can he even use the wind rasengan? He doesn't want to kill Sasuke.
So he can't even use his best jutsu.
If that is his best jutsu. He still has "that" jutsu. If its even still there.
Suppress the kyuubi chakra before it ever emerges, but what about when the chakra is already leaked out? That's the question. It's very unlikely that once Kyuubi takes full control of Naruto, Sasuke could just merely genjutsu his way in and do what he did to kyuubi way back when, before naruto allowed it to take control. Then again, Kishi's crazy about Sasuke, so w/e.
There isn't much difference. As long as the chakra is being leaked through the seal to naruto it can be cut off which is what Sasuke did really.
Can he even use the wind rasengan? He doesn't want to kill Sasuke. Just make him see the light.
So he can't even use his best jutsu.
Neither of them want to kill one another.
Frenchie
2007-07-19, 02:57
Best. Manga. episode. Ever.
This brings the myth of the AL = Yondaime to an end!
Praise Kishi!
Medalist
2007-07-19, 04:07
Maybe with all of the recent deaths of Akatsuki members, Kishi is trying to show that they weren't meant to be the end all be all villians for the manga like we thought they were. The only reason why we may have thought they were supposed to be bad asses is because we were looking at them through the eyes of shinobi that were much lesser than them at that time. (eg. Rookie 9-Genins, Kakashi, Gai, Asuma, Kurenai-Elite Jounins)
I know that some people may try to refute this by mentioning Jiraiya, but they recgnized his skill and took some precautions accordingly.
Now that everyone has significantly raised their level, the members of Akatsuki don't seem as overpowered, because they are closer to the same level or they have huge advantages in their favor (eg. Shikamaru-Week worth of planning, His intelligence, Sakura-Chiyo).
Of course Itachi and Kisame are still some of the main villians along with maybe the real AL and Kabuchimaru.
Wrong. I see them as bad asses because they do breaking and entering, kidnapping, child abuse, murder, and pretty much get away with it before anyone dies. And plus they are S-Ranked criminals, obvious that they are on a higher level no matter which ninja you compare too. Despite Kage or anbu.
There isn't much difference. As long as the chakra is being leaked through the seal to naruto it can be cut off which is what Sasuke did really.
Lets not even go there Rave, and turn this in to a Naruto vs Sasuke fight. As far as we know about what Sasuke did, which is basically nothing but assumptions. You can say all you want about what Sasuke did, but until we really truly know what he did, Sasuke did nothing. There is also the factor, that Naruto him self was rejecting / resisting the Kyubi / Kyubi's Chakra at the time, no one knows what it would be like if Naurto accepted with open arms. So no one really knows what happened there, hence we can't just assume Sasuke can blow out a 4 tail Naruto like you blow out a candle.
In any cause, there has been allot of posts recently about how Naruto wont stand a chance against Sasuke at this point and time, and if he did beat him it would be plot device, or Sasuke would be dumbed down. I would have to agree, however the point is exactly that. Naruto vs Sasuke wont happen for a long time, heck that might be a understatement because not only is there a possibility that it will not happen till the end of the Naruto Manga. There is a good possibility, the fight wont happen at all (as for the reasons, there are so many, allot of them deal with the fans), or a "Real Fight" will never happen between Naruto and Sasuke unless Sasuke becomes an absolute villain with no turning back, and Naruto throws out everything and they really try to kill each other.
In other words because at this point neither of them want to kill each other a "Real Fight" is highly unlikely, if Naruto vs. Sasuke ever takes place there will be allot of things that will come in to play which will determine if the fight was legit or not. I wouldn’t consider it a real fight unless they both threw away their "feelings for each other" and the whole "I will bring you back crap" and just acknowledged each other as superior shinobi and fought on equal grounds. Anything other then that, you can pretty much consider the fight as nothing but two friends making up, holding back mutually, ending with a draw or something of its kind.
FireDetei
2007-07-19, 05:55
Remembering that manga dark = black and light = white.......Yeah so AL and Naruto "look" alike, but remember how Karin and Sasuke looked alike? then when the coloured pics were given, Karin = purple and sauke = black haired, tho from the manga they were both shown as dark.
AL is a redhead for a start, naruto is a blonde =/
SamuraiX
2007-07-19, 09:00
Well I cant really remember but wasnt the Wind Rasengan still incomplete?
Yes, its about half complete.
tramadrama
2007-07-19, 10:17
The Unknown Leader calls Naruto, "Naruto." That's weird. Sounds rather personal.
DemonDeidara
2007-07-19, 10:29
Best. Manga. episode. Ever.
This brings the myth of the AL = Yondaime to an end!
Praise Kishi!
yes omg I cant stand that and ppl says that Pein is the girl from Yondaime team...
SamuraiX
2007-07-19, 10:53
Yes, its about half complete.
Aw okay I was asking because maybe thats why it is so dangerous and unstable because it is not the real thing. And when he fully completes it, it may be a totally different jutsu with different affects and everything. So I still think Naruto has some moves that can make him on par with Sasuke.
nine_tailed_kyuubi
2007-07-19, 11:00
To all the people who thinks that Kishi is making Sasuke his favourite charecter :
This is so not true but we have to see an extreme change in Sasuke's level because he left Konoha and sacrificed everything, for twon and a half years he was living with Orochimaru and Kabuto so he must have learned tons of forbidden jutsus, IMO he is not overpowered at all, he won against Orochimaru in his most weak state and while Kabuto was away. PS: there maybe some sort of a twist in Sasuke vs. Orochimaru fight that might bring Orochimaru back to the story easily, and it wasn't an easy winning for Sasuke at all.
Let's go to the fight against Deidara, Deidara is insanely smart and proud but he ain't that strong, back in the fight against Gaara we all know that Gaara could have won if he was the old one but he was distracted because of the C3 thrown on the village, also because of the very smart movement DD did by throwing clay into Gaara's sand rather than that Gaara is much more powerful IMO, Sassuke has shown a great development after the time skip more than anyone so he is for sure stronger than Gaara and he fought DD one on one and he did great because of the developed sharingan, chidori and his insane speed, and yet it was a very hard fight for him DD is insanely smart again and he managed to harm Sasuke and torn out one of his Wings, in other way it was not an easy win for Sasuke.
If someone shows up tp save Sasuke in this chapter believe me then he is not overpowered at all, and to think about it even more the more any shinobi is becoming powerful the more Naruto will be more powerful than any other at the end because he is the main charecter so obviously Kishi is favouriting Naruto here, he just wants his opponents to be extremely powerful exactly what's happenning in Bleach for me till now i don't really believe how Ichigo wil be able to stop Aizen when he cannot win against Espada number 6 GJ !!!!! the main charecter must suffer to be strong this is in every manga and every anime so i think Kishi is doing a great job till now.
Obito Uchiha
2007-07-19, 11:31
The Unknown Leader calls Naruto, "Naruto." That's weird. Sounds rather personal.
It does most call him Kid or the nine-tails...good observation.
To all the people who thinks that Kishi is making Sasuke his favourite charecter :
This is so not true but we have to see an extreme change in Sasuke's level because he left Konoha and sacrificed everything, for twon and a half years he was living with Orochimaru and Kabuto so he must have learned tons of forbidden jutsus, IMO he is not overpowered at all, he won against Orochimaru in his most weak state and while Kabuto was away. PS: there maybe some sort of a twist in Sasuke vs. Orochimaru fight that might bring Orochimaru back to the story easily, and it wasn't an easy winning for Sasuke at all.
Let's go to the fight against Deidara, Deidara is insanely smart and proud but he ain't that strong, back in the fight against Gaara we all know that Gaara could have won if he was the old one but he was distracted because of the C3 thrown on the village, also because of the very smart movement DD did by throwing clay into Gaara's sand rather than that Gaara is much more powerful IMO, Sassuke has shown a great development after the time skip more than anyone so he is for sure stronger than Gaara and he fought DD one on one and he did great because of the developed sharingan, chidori and his insane speed, and yet it was a very hard fight for him DD is insanely smart again and he managed to harm Sasuke and torn out one of his Wings, in other way it was not an easy win for Sasuke.
If someone shows up tp save Sasuke in this chapter believe me then he is not overpowered at all, and to think about it even more the more any shinobi is becoming powerful the more Naruto will be more powerful than any other at the end because he is the main charecter so obviously Kishi is favouriting Naruto here, he just wants his opponents to be extremely powerful exactly what's happenning in Bleach for me till now i don't really believe how Ichigo wil be able to stop Aizen when he cannot win against Espada number 6 GJ !!!!! the main charecter must suffer to be strong this is in every manga and every anime so i think Kishi is doing a great job till now.
Sasuke isn't Overpowered when considering how he handles Akatsuki. Kakashi fighting against Kakuza had a poopload of trouble too. but compared to everyone in his generation and some that are older he is way too strong..but it's only a matter of time before they catch up.
If he calls him just Naruto without any suffixes either, thats odd. no -kun or anything?
With the latest spoiler, it is a matter of time before AL goes out and tells about his secrets such as being uncle of Naruto from the rain village, or being Yondaime's step brother and serving his brother once he hated. Or maybe Naruto is AL's real brother (or son), and he was sacrificed by being given to Yondaime in return for Kyuubi. Maybe because of that, no family member of Naruto is known in Konoha.
nightengale5385
2007-07-19, 12:57
(from 4chan)Here's better pic of the 2nd in command. the second pic is shopped.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nightengale5385/1184863215873.jpghttp://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nightengale5385/1184864035307.jpg
EDIT:
better pic of Pein
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/nightengale5385/1184867789083.jpg
2H-Dragon
2007-07-19, 13:21
Best. Manga. episode. Ever.
This brings the myth of the AL = Yondaime to an end!
Praise Kishi!
Hence we go further. The one behind the scenes = Yondaime.
/sarcasm off.(I know this isn't really needed, but some people fail @ noticing sarcasm)
Still I don't think Tobi is dead though. If I can take that spoiler trans literal. Then Tobi isn't confirmed dead. It's just way to weird to introduce a char that got nothing as background. He wasn't a random. He was a freaking Akatsuki member. I highly doubt he would die just like that. The reason they think he's dead. Is a part of the jutsu tobi uses I think.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-07-19, 13:24
I read things about 2nd in command...so the chick is the leader?
I thought this guy that we've seen was the leader...
Neither of them are, from what I can make of the spoiler. It seems that an as-of-yet unknown character is actually pulling the strings.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-19, 13:48
Doesn't mean this person leads Akatsuki. They may just be working together. The other members have referred to AL as we know him as "leader" so far.
Doesn't mean this person leads Akatsuki. They may just be working together. The other members have referred to AL as we know him as "leader" so far.
He can still be the active leader of akatsuki, while the new guy is the boss.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-19, 14:25
He can still be the active leader of akatsuki, while the new guy is the boss.
Yeah well there you go. Kind of like how I view my Project Manager at work as my "leader" even though the General Manager is El Jefe.
shaselai
2007-07-19, 14:44
maybe akatsuki is just part of a even greater organization and later we find out it the group members are just "grunts" while the "unknown leader" is a "team leader" and there are other teams across the country.... maybe after akatsuki bits the dust we start Arc 3
Obito Uchiha
2007-07-19, 14:50
maybe akatsuki is just part of a even greater organization and later we find out it the group members are just "grunts" while the "unknown leader" is a "team leader" and there are other teams across the country.... maybe after akatsuki bits the dust we start Arc 3
That's crazy i don't even kno what to say to that.
nine_tailed_kyuubi
2007-07-19, 15:01
shit he looks exactly like future Naruto !!!!!! sure they are related
astayanax
2007-07-19, 15:08
Gaara was no match for Deidara. Deidara had at least 2 attacks reserved that would had annihilated Gaara (and the entire village of the Sand); C4 which he was purposively reserving for Itachi and his suicide attack which dwarfs practically everything non-sharingan related in the entire series (although technically the suicide attack would be a draw).
Deidara also showed an intelligence that would had gotten the better of Gaara. People want to talk about how he used the village as bait, but that was it - bait. If the villagers weren't available, Deidara would had easily baited Gaara with something else.
Lets give Deidara his due. With the overpowerness of the Sharingan these days, I am surprise he actually managed to survive for entire chapters at end.
Ero-Senn1n
2007-07-19, 15:17
Can we say for sure that the last unknown member of akatsuki is a woman ?
Deidara turned out to be a man. Maybe Kishimoto wanted for Deidara to be a woman in the beginning but then he realized that drawing his suicide attack would show too much of a woman's body for a shonen manga :D
Kage_Spyke
2007-07-19, 15:23
i found the translation for the manga heres what the final thing the al says is
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f350/Push_2_shove/02.jpg
oh and here is another picture of the Pein
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f350/Push_2_shove/03.jpg
notice the look in her eyes, its almost Orochimaru like....just saying
DrunkenRyder
2007-07-19, 15:37
Actually, Since the "Real Leader" said "Naruto" and not the Kyuubi Jinchuriki, THEN THE 4TH IS THE REAL LEADER, AND THE SECOND IN COMMAND IS NARUTO'S BROTHER DUN DUN DUN!!!!!!
Mangekyo
2007-07-19, 15:39
Actually, Since the "Real Leader" said "Naruto" and not the Kyuubi Jinchuriki, THEN THE 4TH IS THE REAL LEADER, AND THE SECOND IN COMMAND IS NARUTO'S BROTHER DUN DUN DUN!!!!!!
Your joking.....right?:eyebrow::twitch:
That Other Ninja
2007-07-19, 16:18
4th is dead.
I have no idea where you guys are getting these scans and saying it is 363, I'll just wait until the official 363 comes out and see for myself :frustrated:
Obito Uchiha
2007-07-19, 17:07
I have no idea where you guys are getting these scans and saying it is 363, I'll just wait until the official 363 comes out and see for myself :frustrated:
Your face is red. Are you OK? Man the Al has a crapload of piercings. Im confused by all of this. Maybe all those crazy fannys are right and the AL is Madara Or yondy, Who knows...cra i don't even think GOD can guess the next crackhead twist Kishi will think up.
Psychotic
2007-07-19, 17:17
Your face is red. Are you OK? Man the Al has a crapload of piercings. Im confused by all of this. Maybe all those crazy fannys are right and the AL is Madara Or yondy, Who knows...cra i don't even think GOD can guess the next crackhead twist Kishi will think up.
The woman seems to have lip piercing also. I just love it :D
The woman seems to have lip piercing also. I just love it :D
Yep she has her labret done, its pretty hot >_>;. However, apprently among the ancient Aztecs and Mayans labret piercing was reserved for male members of the higher castes. (I only mention this because Kishimoto likes to use all types of references for his characters)
So, while it may seem like in the picture where pein (pronounced pain or payne) is standing next to "AL" she has some form of "bewbies", however they might not be bewbies at all @_@;. (Then again, the "AL" also seems to have two spike labret piercing, while Pein has a circular, one so who knows!) It could even be a mole! <_<; >_>; BEWBIES!!
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-19, 19:19
BH is not hot at all, she looks like she works in a porn shop, truly awful.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-19, 19:38
Looks like Kishimoto's been listening to too much AFI.
Luminion Lancer
2007-07-19, 20:41
BH is not hot at all, she looks like she works in a porn shop, truly awful.
-Really? Personally I find her looks to be on par (actually a bit more above) with that of Kurenai and Shizune if you ask me. Notice though, that all of the women in Naruto actually look quite "normal" despite the crazy aspects of their universe.
Monkey D. Luffy
2007-07-19, 21:16
LOL at That Other Ninja's comment.
Hey guys here's a crazy possibility what if the guy who's running things is a totally different character, someone we never heard of!!!!!!
I was one of the ones who thought the one we thought was the AL was maybe Yondaime, but I think the one we though was the AL and looks like Naruto is yet a bigger part of things even if he isn't the main guy now.
Justice Knight
2007-07-20, 01:40
judging from the new spoiler image ,every1 saw the explosion including naruto group ,and somehow if u see Tobi's panel some1 was beside him.Is that itachi or whoever it is?
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3725/untitledrl8.jpg
Nintendo
2007-07-20, 01:44
judging from the new spoiler image ,every1 saw the explosion including naruto group ,and somehow if u see Tobi's panel some1 was beside him.Is that itachi or whoever it is?
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3725/untitledrl8.jpg
tobi and whoever is next to him is 2 panels.
4th is dead.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/miss_rave_x/Dedyony.jpg
judging from the new spoiler image ,every1 saw the explosion including naruto group ,and somehow if u see Tobi's panel some1 was beside him.Is that itachi or whoever it is?
You'd think it was Sasuke.. Doesn't seem to have a shirt on.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-20, 05:16
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/miss_rave_x/Dedyony.jpg
That was all but necessary.
Still... some of you won't let these ideas die like Yondaime being alive, even after AL's identity revealing he isn't the 4th. Hell, I KNEW THAT THE MINUTE THEY SHOWED HIS ORANGE HAIR.
Genjutsu my ass.
tramadrama
2007-07-20, 06:59
I'll take the crappy theories a step further, the unknown guy is the AL leader's father. Would not be surprised one bit. Who'd follow a guy with hella-piercings; unless his father wasn't behind somehow pulling strings?
Frenchie
2007-07-20, 07:17
Huh about the panel with Tobi. It looks to me like it's two panels. And just so that it doesn't sound like I was ninjae'd, I'll add to it that the second panel seems to be Tobi, still, but with the explosion having some sort of impact on him.
//edit// my bad, silly me, it does look like Sasuke after closer inspection.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-20, 08:56
A mini raw is out
- to perform the summoning, Suigetsu used a scroll and vial of liquid (Oro or Sasuke's blood maybe)
- it appears that Manda may have died from the explosion
- the "true leader" is not a disembodied voice, but only the lower half of his body is shown while he is talking to the fake AL and Pein. He doesn't appear to wear an Akatsuki cloak however.
Who'd follow a guy with hella-piercings; unless his father wasn't behind somehow pulling strings?
The entire Persian army perhaps?
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/beegeezy33183/xerxes.jpg
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-20, 09:33
A mini raw is out
- to perform the summoning, Suigetsu used a scroll and vial of liquid (Oro or Sasuke's blood maybe)
- it appears that Manda may have died from the explosion
- the "true leader" is not a disembodied voice, but only the lower half of his body is shown while he is talking to the fake AL and Pein. He doesn't appear to wear an Akatsuki cloak however.
The entire Persian army perhaps?
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/beegeezy33183/xerxes.jpg
:heh: THIS IS SPARTA!, sorry it had to be done.
I hope Manda hasn't die, if he's going to die why would Sasuke put him under an genjutsu! :rolleyes: Oh and Sasuke's eyes can and will surprass Itachi's, that made me all warm inside :p
i'm liking the fact that the konoha are finally aware of things now, this leaves us open to the idea of a battle royal - konoha vs hebi vs akatsuki vs anyone else in the general vicinity of the explosion and is wondering wtf just happened.
sucks we are gonna have to wait 2 weeks for next chapter
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-07-20, 10:09
i'm liking the fact that the konoha are finally aware of things now, this leaves us open to the idea of a battle royal - konoha vs hebi vs akatsuki vs anyone else in the general vicinity of the explosion and is wondering wtf just happened.
sucks we are gonna have to wait 2 weeks for next chapter
Why? Another holiday?
Nintendo
2007-07-20, 10:11
i'm liking the fact that the konoha are finally aware of things now, this leaves us open to the idea of a battle royal - konoha vs hebi vs akatsuki vs anyone else in the general vicinity of the explosion and is wondering wtf just happened.
sucks we are gonna have to wait 2 weeks for next chapter
looks like sasuke lived, but is near death. everyone seen the explosion and is making there way over to it.
manda looks to be dead. or very badly injured.
and dont tease me with the big ass 10 ninja strong battle royal. :D would be great, but we all know sasuke will be long gone by the time anyone reaches his location.
and am i the only one a little pissed that they wasted tobi? if he really is dead......then he was nothing but a reason to have 2 members in a group. he did nothing and only showed us how he sleeps.
Naruto_spartan
2007-07-20, 10:16
This might just as well be a crazy theory, but what if Akatsuki Leader is Naruto's brother. I mean the appearence is without a doubt the same, like brothers, just look at Sasuke and Itachi, they have many similar traits. And just perhaps, Yondaime is their father. Or perhaps the Uzumaki clan was separated in the other villages because there was some sort of threat. Only time will tell. But what do you think? it is a possibility
ChojinLocke
2007-07-20, 10:19
Wow Sasuke didnt die yet? I missed some weeks of the manga but was a nice fight...too bad deidara went all suicidal on that last one tho...hey is the raw out by the way?
i heard this week was a double issue and no chapter next week.
ChojinLocke
2007-07-20, 10:51
Ok i read one but not sure if it is the real deal..if someone has the raw plz confirm thanks..warning spoiler ahead :
Sasuke: Khu!
Tobi: Wha...!
The explosion causes the trees to disappear.
People in the city: What is that!
Pakkun: Kakashi whats that?
Kakashi: This feeling, that chakra...its Akatsuki...
Kiba: Whaaaat!?
Shino: Hm?
Sai's dog: What!?
Hinata: ...Wh...What was that?
Naruto: Lets go!
Suigetsu: That place...
Juugo runs.
Karin: Sasuke is in that area...!
Karin closes her eyes.
Karin: I can't sense Sasuke's chakra...!!
Zetsu: That Deidara...Exploded himself...Wheres Tobi?
Zetsu2: Died in the explosion....He was probably in the explosion...
Suigetsu: That area is our meeting place...What if...!
Suigetsu brings out a scroll with a drawing of a snake.
The drawing fades away.
Suigetsu: ...It really happened!
The scene switches to Akatsuki.
Zetsu2: Deiara died. He finally went out with a big explosion.
Kisame: Ah we lost anotehr member...I think he was quite strong.
Itachi: So, which did he lose to...?Sasuke...Or Kyuubi's jinchuuriki?
Zetsu: Sasuke. But...Sasuke died too.
Itachi: .........
Kisame: Killed himself along with Sasuke...
AL: Be grateful of him Itachi. Deidara gave his life to eliminate trouble.
Kisame: Hmm..We're forgetting something...
Zetsu: Tobi apparently died. Deidara exploded with Tobi nearby.
Kisame: Ya ya it was Tobi...But he was good at running and he couldn't get away in time...Must've been a big jutsu.
AL: Its fine...A man of that level is easy to acquire. Deidara was precious though...
Kisame: The ability to turn a gloomy organization cheerful, Tobi was skilled man at that.
AL: I'm going...At least mourn for Deidara quietely.
AL disappears.
Itachi just stands there.
Suigetsu takes out a bin and pours out blood.
Suigetsu: Okay...
*Summons*
Manda appears.
Suigetsu: Th..This is Orochimaru's summon...Manda...Even Orochimaru had a hard time with this guy, yet how did he...
Suigetsu looks at Manda's eyes.
Suigetsu: Oh genjutsu...
Sasuke appears from Manda's side.
Sasuke: Ghu...
Sasuke falls down.
Suigetsu: What you're all torn up. Who did you fight?
Manda: I...you used...me..you...Brat...
Manda: Those eyes...With those eyes...I...was controlled...
Manda: You...How dare you...
Manda dies.
Suigetsu: Ah he died. Manda is that Orochimaru's first pet.
Suigetsu: Animals should be treated nicer...Besides you forcefully used genjutsu on him.
Sasuke:It was a last minute thing...I didn't have time.
?: Found you!!
Suigetsu: !
Sasuke: !
Karin and Juugo run to them.
Karin: So you're here. Suddenly your chakra vanished so I was wandering...You were flying!
Suigetsu: You went inside Manda and used space jutsu to fly into a different space...But why are you so torn up?
Sasuke: Right before I flew Manda and I received the explosion. My opponent was an Akatsuki. He was stronger than I thought...
Karin thinks: Sasuke injured looks cool too...
Suigetsu: Anyway you should rest for a bit.
Karin: Weakling!! You're even the man that beat Orochimaru!
Sasuke: Orochimaru was already weak. Thats all there is to the story.
The scene switches, and someone is sitting.
?: Pain come here...He has arrived.
Pain: !
Pain stands along side the female Akatsuki.
Pein: So...what happened to Sasuke?
Unidentified: Good feeling...Sharingan's power was shown well...His eyes will surpass Itachi's eyes.
The machine is ripened. His mind is made up...It won't be long.
Pein: What about the Kyuubi?
Unidentified: You capture him. As the leader failure will not be accepted.
The end.
tkdtiger
2007-07-20, 11:11
Ok i read one but not sure if it is the real deal..if someone has the raw plz confirm thanks..warning spoiler ahead :
Sasuke: Khu!
Tobi: Wha...!
The explosion causes the trees to disappear.
People in the city: What is that!
Pakkun: Kakashi whats that?
Kakashi: This feeling, that chakra...its Akatsuki...
Kiba: Whaaaat!?
Shino: Hm?
Sai's dog: What!?
Hinata: ...Wh...What was that?
Naruto: Lets go!
Suigetsu: That place...
Juugo runs.
Karin: Sasuke is in that area...!
Karin closes her eyes.
Karin: I can't sense Sasuke's chakra...!!
Zetsu: That Deidara...Exploded himself...Wheres Tobi?
Zetsu2: Died in the explosion....He was probably in the explosion...
Suigetsu: That area is our meeting place...What if...!
Suigetsu brings out a scroll with a drawing of a snake.
The drawing fades away.
Suigetsu: ...It really happened!
The scene switches to Akatsuki.
Zetsu2: Deiara died. He finally went out with a big explosion.
Kisame: Ah we lost anotehr member...I think he was quite strong.
Itachi: So, which did he lose to...?Sasuke...Or Kyuubi's jinchuuriki?
Zetsu: Sasuke. But...Sasuke died too.
Itachi: .........
Kisame: Killed himself along with Sasuke...
AL: Be grateful of him Itachi. Deidara gave his life to eliminate trouble.
Kisame: Hmm..We're forgetting something...
Zetsu: Tobi apparently died. Deidara exploded with Tobi nearby.
Kisame: Ya ya it was Tobi...But he was good at running and he couldn't get away in time...Must've been a big jutsu.
AL: Its fine...A man of that level is easy to acquire. Deidara was precious though...
Kisame: The ability to turn a gloomy organization cheerful, Tobi was skilled man at that.
AL: I'm going...At least mourn for Deidara quietely.
AL disappears.
Itachi just stands there.
Suigetsu takes out a bin and pours out blood.
Suigetsu: Okay...
*Summons*
Manda appears.
Suigetsu: Th..This is Orochimaru's summon...Manda...Even Orochimaru had a hard time with this guy, yet how did he...
Suigetsu looks at Manda's eyes.
Suigetsu: Oh genjutsu...
Sasuke appears from Manda's side.
Sasuke: Ghu...
Sasuke falls down.
Suigetsu: What you're all torn up. Who did you fight?
Manda: I...you used...me..you...Brat...
Manda: Those eyes...With those eyes...I...was controlled...
Manda: You...How dare you...
Manda dies.
Suigetsu: Ah he died. Manda is that Orochimaru's first pet.
Suigetsu: Animals should be treated nicer...Besides you forcefully used genjutsu on him.
Sasuke:It was a last minute thing...I didn't have time.
?: Found you!!
Suigetsu: !
Sasuke: !
Karin and Juugo run to them.
Karin: So you're here. Suddenly your chakra vanished so I was wandering...You were flying!
Suigetsu: You went inside Manda and used space jutsu to fly into a different space...But why are you so torn up?
Sasuke: Right before I flew Manda and I received the explosion. My opponent was an Akatsuki. He was stronger than I thought...
Karin thinks: Sasuke injured looks cool too...
Suigetsu: Anyway you should rest for a bit.
Karin: Weakling!! You're even the man that beat Orochimaru!
Sasuke: Orochimaru was already weak. Thats all there is to the story.
The scene switches, and someone is sitting.
?: Pain come here...He has arrived.
Pain: !
Pain stands along side the female Akatsuki.
Pein: So...what happened to Sasuke?
Unidentified: Good feeling...Sharingan's power was shown well...His eyes will surpass Itachi's eyes.
The machine is ripened. His mind is made up...It won't be long.
Pein: What about the Kyuubi?
Unidentified: You capture him. As the leader failure will not be accepted.
The end.
This seems to be pretty close, although I'm not too sure if it's correct. If it is we actually learn quite a bit of information
one that Deidra actually seemed to be well liked in Akatsuki and Kisame appeared to like Tobi, although the wording of Tobi's demise is still open to argument as to whether he'll make another appearance. The second thing is that we learned or it's atleast hinted at that Sasuke planned out his attack against Oro. while he was in a weakend state, which in my opinion is good planning. It also hints that Sasuke's sharingan ability will eventually surpass Itachi's. Anyways it appears that Konoha's team probably will run into Sasuke after all...I wonder how it will play out
Sasuke's space jutsu, it is not even digging and escaping. It is really like Yondaime's jutsu, but, unlike Yondaime's jutsu, the jutsu takes them to somewhere safe in another space and they can stay there unless called. The good thing is Manda - the Sharingan eyed Summon - is dead, or dead until born alive again. Still, Kishi - a.k.a. The Idiot - seems to have made Sasuke use a jutsu very similar to Yondaime's, and he digged himself to a level lower than he ever was. Anyway, with this going crazy mood Kishi has, time-travelling should happen soon, too. I don't expect anything less from The Idiot. And, also, Deidara's explosion is really just a show, nothing else, if a summon can protect its inner parts from the explosion, regardless of the thickness of its skin, you cannot say otherwise.
Yes it's real. Sasuke survived by summoning Manda, controlling him with genjutsu to hold Sasuke in his mouth, and unsummoning him. Pretty nifty trick. No clue what happened to Tobi though, there's no way he actually died.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-20, 11:24
Sasuke's space jutsu, it is not even digging and escaping. It is really like Yondaime's jutsu, but, unlike Yondaime's jutsu, the jutsu takes them to somewhere safe in another space and they can stay there unless called. The good thing is Manda - the Sharingan eyed Summon - is dead, or dead until born alive again. Still, Kishi - a.k.a. The Idiot - seems to have made Sasuke use a jutsu very similar to Yondaime's, and he digged himself to a level lower than he ever was. Anyway, with this going crazy mood Kishi has, time-travelling should happen soon, too. I don't expect anything less from The Idiot. And, also, Deidara's explosion is really just a show, nothing else, if a summon can protect its inner parts from the explosion, regardless of the thickness of its skin, you cannot say otherwise.
:rolleyes: That's the best thing you've ever said ever! ;)
And, the real leader getting information on Sasuke's sharingan from the satan and its hell (since he could have never seen or even heard about what Sasuke did or used) to decide on his level compared to Itachi is another priceless comment. Or, maybe he has an ability to contact the goblins, who can monitor the naruto world from another dimension clearly without getting seen.
shaselai
2007-07-20, 11:51
Tobi might be alive since Zetsu said sasuke died (but didn't). Maybe zetsu senses chakra like karin does and perhaps tobi knows some space/time ability as well.... then again the AL did say that Tobi is easily replaceable so he might be really dead or the akatsuki just haven't see "his stuff".
Struggler
2007-07-20, 11:53
And, the real leader getting information on Sasuke's sharingan from the satan and its hell (since he could have never seen or even heard about what Sasuke did or used) to decide on his level compared to Itachi is another priceless comment. Or, maybe he has an ability to contact the goblins, who can monitor the naruto world from another dimension clearly without getting seen.
The 3rd Hokage has a crystal ball that he could use to monitor events in konoha. The leader leader must be the 3rd hokage;)
ChojinLocke
2007-07-20, 11:59
Tobi was really disappointing so far... I hope he survived so we see a little bit character development from him.
So who is called 'Pain/pein' the guy or the girl? The real leader...Madara? JK...well could be...hope not.
neoeagle
2007-07-20, 12:04
Taken from someone else btw
1)Sasuke went cursed seal, and lost his wing
2)he used chidori more times than he SHOULD have been able to use(although he did have the cs activated)
3)he chidori'd himself.
4)used chidori senbon
5)chidori extendo-sword
6)chidori nagashi TWICE if I'm corect
7)and summoned a large snake (near the beginning, waaay before manda)
but even after all of that, which should have depleted 175% of his Chakra, even with CS activated, he manages to turn on his Sharingan (taking up, what I guess would be about 4-8% of his chakra every second), summons Manda (lets rememmber that NARUTO, who had a gargantuan chakra reserve [before TS] WITHOUT Kyuubi, had problems summoning Gamabunta with full chakra) with what should actually be realistically(remembering that Kakashi explains that CS constantly eats away at your chakra when you activate it) -75% of his chakra even though he has been tossed around and squandered his chakra with waste-of-time tactics basically the entire fight, and to top it all off he manages to send himself and giant fecking snake to another dimension(apparently) and then get brought back, either by Suigetsu or himself. either way he should be dead a minimum of 2x over.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-20, 12:05
Sasuke's space jutsu, it is not even digging and escaping. It is really like Yondaime's jutsu, but, unlike Yondaime's jutsu, the jutsu takes them to somewhere safe in another space and they can stay there unless called. The good thing is Manda - the Sharingan eyed Summon - is dead, or dead until born alive again. Still, Kishi - a.k.a. The Idiot - seems to have made Sasuke use a jutsu very similar to Yondaime's, and he digged himself to a level lower than he ever was. Anyway, with this going crazy mood Kishi has, time-travelling should happen soon, too. I don't expect anything less from The Idiot. And, also, Deidara's explosion is really just a show, nothing else, if a summon can protect its inner parts from the explosion, regardless of the thickness of its skin, you cannot say otherwise.
It was translated that Sasuke used a "space jutsu", but it seems more likely that it wasn't his jutsu at all what probably happened was that Sasuke got into Manda's body and then used genjustu to force Manda to release the summoning on himself. Then Manda went back to wherever it is that summons go when they are released with Sasuke inside his body until Suigetsu summoned him again.
I'm disappointed Manda died though. I was really hoping there would be Gamabunta/Manda rematch.
but even after all of that, which should have depleted 175% of his Chakra, even with CS activated, he manages to turn on his Sharingan (taking up, what I guess would be about 4-8% of his chakra every second), summons Manda (lets rememmber that NARUTO, who had a gargantuan chakra reserve [before TS] WITHOUT Kyuubi, had problems summoning Gamabunta with full chakra) with what should actually be realistically(remembering that Kakashi explains that CS constantly eats away at your chakra when you activate it) -75% of his chakra even though he has been tossed around and squandered his chakra with waste-of-time tactics basically the entire fight, and to top it all off he manages to send himself and giant fecking snake to another dimension(apparently) and then get brought back, either by Suigetsu or himself. either way he should be dead a minimum of 2x over.
Yeah, it seems he did use much more chakra then should be possible. But hey, we saw Gai open six gates and he wasn't even short breath afterwards. Kakashi used Rakiri 5 times against Kakuzu while also having Sharingan activated. Post-timeskip, everyone's chakra capacity/stamina seems to have increased in order for the fights to be more impressive.
Sasuke's stmaina might've vastly improved over the last few years, in addition to the CS2 which forcibly extracts chakra past the user's limits. Also remember that Sasuke has superior chakra control to Naruto, which has probably only improved over the time-skip. That means he can make much greater use of the same amount of chakra than Naruto could (at least pre-timekskip, not exactly sure how much Naruto has improved in this area since then).
So, the oreha points of this chapter:
- Sasuke in that depleted state being able to summon Manda.
- Sasuke doing his stuff without Deidara noticing (while we see that it is almost impossible), or Sasuke doing his stuff, while the explosion is about to reach him (it usually moves around 1meter/minute speed close to the center, to protect Sasuke's well being), summoning manda, then, in that further depleted state, making eye contact with Manda, casting genjutsu on him, jumping and entering the mouth of Manda, Manda closing his mouth, both going to another dimension (both possibilities are equally worse), etc...
- Manda's eye taking the shape of sharingan (this is a first, a typical genjutsu, not MS, changing even the physical shape)
- Manda dying, either from the side effects of a mere genjutsu, or the explosion
- If Manda died from the explosion, then, dying without injuring the internal organs starting with the place Sasuke hid himself
- Snake members having a very long-range tracking devices to pinpoint the location of the members, whereas Deidara and Tobi were able to stay undetected despite the shortness in the range
- Konoha guys sucking the most with no clue about Sasuke's location
- Kakashi's dogs sensing Sasuke's scent from Karin but not being able to follow her
- The real Akatsuki leader acting as if knowing everything about Sasuke even about the things the people Sasuke fought may not know.
Then Manda went back to wherever it is that summons go when they are released with Sasuke inside his body until Suigetsu summoned him again.Sorry, this doesn't make it any better.
shaselai
2007-07-20, 12:09
Taken from someone else btw
1)Sasuke went cursed seal, and lost his wing
2)he used chidori more times than he SHOULD have been able to use(although he did have the cs activated)
3)he chidori'd himself.
4)used chidori senbon
5)chidori extendo-sword
6)chidori nagashi TWICE if I'm corect
7)and summoned a large snake (near the beginning, waaay before manda)
but even after all of that, which should have depleted 175% of his Chakra, even with CS activated, he manages to turn on his Sharingan (taking up, what I guess would be about 4-8% of his chakra every second), summons Manda (lets rememmber that NARUTO, who had a gargantuan chakra reserve [before TS] WITHOUT Kyuubi, had problems summoning Gamabunta with full chakra) with what should actually be realistically(remembering that Kakashi explains that CS constantly eats away at your chakra when you activate it) -75% of his chakra even though he has been tossed around and squandered his chakra with waste-of-time tactics basically the entire fight, and to top it all off he manages to send himself and giant fecking snake to another dimension(apparently) and then get brought back, either by Suigetsu or himself. either way he should be dead a minimum of 2x over.
Well sometimes when humans face danger or in a dangerous situation we can overexert ourselves and do things we normally can't do (within reason of course...). Done forget Jiraiya was poisoned and he summoned Gama and did some high level jutsus like minutes after he was "out of chakra". Naruto summoned Gamabunta whenever he was "out of chakra" too, once trying to save sakura when he and she was about to be crushed. Maybe there was a hidden scene where Sasuke ate some soldier pills or whatever he got from that cat lady. Well at least Manda dies... but we all know sasuke will have something bigger/better than manda later on or revives manda...
Done forget Jiraiya was poisoned and he summoned Gama and did some high level jutsus like minutes after he was "out of chakra". Naruto summoned Gamabunta whenever he was "out of chakra" too, once trying to save sakura when he and she was about to be crushed. Jiraiya was not out of chakra, he just wasn't able to control his chakra.
And, Naruto is an exception because of having Kyuubi within him, that would allow him to extract nearly unlimited amount of chakra, regardless of his current situation. If you consider sharingan as another type of beasts to grant such wishes, that is fine with me. but, otherwise, there is currently no explanation for such a thing. Especially being able to recover in that very short amount of time. And, I really expect, despite that overuse he will continue to live is life as good as before, with no side effects.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-07-20, 12:19
Well sometimes when humans face danger or in a dangerous situation we can overexert ourselves and do things we normally can't do (within reason of course...). Done forget Jiraiya was poisoned and he summoned Gama and did some high level jutsus like minutes after he was "out of chakra". Naruto summoned Gamabunta whenever he was "out of chakra" too, once trying to save sakura when he and she was about to be crushed. Maybe there was a hidden scene where Sasuke ate some soldier pills or whatever he got from that cat lady. Well at least Manda dies... but we all know sasuke will have something bigger/better than manda later on or revives manda...
Ok i've seen the chapter...
Sasuke used Manda and transported with him into his own world right before the blast. Suigetsu summons Manda...judging from the scroll he had to wait till Manda could be summoned again. (which is why the picture of manda was shown and then disappeared)
The fact that this person is interested in Sasuke & Naruto makes me strongly believe that this real leader (who probably was unrevealed so far) is none other then Uchiha Madara.
And it seems that Boss creatures CAN die. (I thought these things would somehow return to life since Orochimaru had so many snakes that died)
Suigetsu seemed to have used Orochimaru's/Sasuke's blood to summon Manda.
But i wonder if Suigetsu had that much chakra or just that it takes less chakra if you do it with a scroll.
Even if a battle royal would be upcomming then team Hebi is already in bad shape.
- Sasuke is hurt and probably has little power left.
- Suigetsu seemed to have used quite a bit of chakra to summon Manda.
hidantheimmortal
2007-07-20, 12:23
Ah man, looks like my self and Hunter saw this around the same time. I don’t know if its the fact that its 4:30 A.M., or all the “crap” that spilled out in the up and coming chapter, that’s making me feel all.. “ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!!1111”
Where to start . . ., ok aside from how Sasuke survives the blast being utter and total bull shit, I wont even go in to that till the actual chapter comes out and we see how it really played out, also because we pretty much have to believe anything that Kishimoto throws at us. Tobi is dead? WHAT!?!? "The Real / Fake Akatsuki Leader" and the Unknown Member revealed ?!?!? WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!? I suspected that guy wasn’t the real leader, I always thought it was the Unknown Member, it looks like I was only half right!
The only thing that comes to mind is Naruto manga is going to be ending very soon, also I feel like Kishimoto ditched Tobi. I think originally Tobi was meant for something but it feels like Kishimoto is trying to pack things up and quit while he is ahead, I mean face it lately there's been allot of “hoo, haa” about his writing so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s trying to "cop out" its just so hard to believe that Tobi was a useless character, placed there for burst moments of comedic humor, and mindless entertainment? Its not just the Tobi thing its the whole revelation of "The Higher Power" (Makes you wonder if the AL is really the AL) and the Unknown Member, and orders from a higher power being "You must be the one to kill Naruto" all this, one cant help but get the feeling Kishimoto is trying to pack it up and end the Manga as soon as possible.
What’s going on Kishi!!! What is going on! Then again, maybe Kishimoto is just trying to make his Manga "interesting" again, kind of like a kick start I mean who the hell saw this coming? Seriously. Also, this revelation of the "the higher power pulling strings", it might not end with Akatsuki, its possible for there to be more arc's after Akatsuki, so maybe the Manga is not ending anytime soon, its expanding! Ahh can't wait for the chapter! Considering it should be a double issue, the spoiler doesn’t disclose much information, there is most likely allot more. Blah~ More comments later to come once I'm actually awake and not half dead. (Tobi can't be dead its a ploy I tell ya! A PLOY!)
Edit:
On a good note (if you consider this a good note) Some of the mind numbing theories about "Who is the Akatsuki Leader?", "Who is the Unknown Member?" and finally "Who is Tobi?" can finally stop! Sort of, cause he is not even the leader, however now a new generation of theories will be born about the higher power. >_<, I'll laugh if some one claims the higher power is Tobi LOL! (I don’t see the Tobi one as a good thing, Grrrr *wants to bite kishimoto* I can't believe Kishimoto blew away all three of those in one shot!!!!!!!!! OMG)
P.S. Her name is prounced Payne... but spelled Pein. . .? What is this Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2? Are we going to see Yuna and Rikku too >_>?
Well when Sasuke cut Tobi in half he was still alive right? An explosion is sometimes less effective depending on where you are near it. So Tobi has a slim chance of living through that explosion and Sasuke I don't know how he live through a blast that big being closer to deidara then Tobi so that is a mystery till Masashi tells us right?
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-20, 12:23
I don't think team Hebi are gonna be fighting right now anyways, they need a break for awhile plus Naruto needs some screen time.
Also, where the hell do you get your numbers from neoeagle? We don't know how much stamina Sasuke has at all post-timeskip. Furthermore, 4-8% per second for sharingan? I think not...he'd only be able to have it on for < half a minute. That makes no sense at all. Sharingan doesn't drain chakra on Uchihas nearly as fast as it does on Kakashi. Also, the sending of him and Manda takes no chakra at all, since hes just dispelling the summoning. All I get out of this is that we've seen the results of Sasuke's training, and they're good. This fight did, however, demonstrate that Sasuke's combat style lacks subtlety. As a result, this gives Naruto at least a small advantage despite the obvious difference in power and versatility, because tricks are always the difference makers in Naruto's best battles.
Nintendo
2007-07-20, 12:27
read the raw.......damn good chapter.
manda is dead...poor snake. sasuke went inside of manda and then used a space jujitsu to fly into a different space.
they seem pretty set on tobi is dead and talked about how his power level is low and easy to get a member like him. Kisame talked about how tobi is able to cheer anyone up in a gloomy mood.
itachi looks sad, and the AK leader or fake leader tells him to cheer up since his problem is now dead.
ghstwrld
2007-07-20, 12:50
Taken from someone else btw
1)Sasuke went cursed seal, and lost his wing
2)he used chidori more times than he SHOULD have been able to use(although he did have the cs activated)
3)he chidori'd himself.
4)used chidori senbon
5)chidori extendo-sword
6)chidori nagashi TWICE if I'm corect
7)and summoned a large snake (near the beginning, waaay before manda)
but even after all of that, which should have depleted 175% of his Chakra, even with CS activated, he manages to turn on his Sharingan (taking up, what I guess would be about 4-8% of his chakra every second), summons Manda (lets rememmber that NARUTO, who had a gargantuan chakra reserve [before TS] WITHOUT Kyuubi, had problems summoning Gamabunta with full chakra) with what should actually be realistically(remembering that Kakashi explains that CS constantly eats away at your chakra when you activate it) -75% of his chakra even though he has been tossed around and squandered his chakra with waste-of-time tactics basically the entire fight, and to top it all off he manages to send himself and giant fecking snake to another dimension(apparently) and then get brought back, either by Suigetsu or himself. either way he should be dead a minimum of 2x over.
It's been stated in the manga that you can increase your chakra capacity so I think this is a non-issue.
shaselai
2007-07-20, 12:50
Ok i've seen the chapter...
Sasuke used Manda and transported with him into his own world right before the blast. Suigetsu summons Manda...judging from the scroll he had to wait till Manda could be summoned again. (which is why the picture of manda was shown and then disappeared)
The fact that this person is interested in Sasuke & Naruto makes me strongly believe that this real leader (who probably was unrevealed so far) is none other then Uchiha Madara.
And it seems that Boss creatures CAN die. (I thought these things would somehow return to life since Orochimaru had so many snakes that died)
Suigetsu seemed to have used Orochimaru's/Sasuke's blood to summon Manda.
But i wonder if Suigetsu had that much chakra or just that it takes less chakra if you do it with a scroll.
Even if a battle royal would be upcomming then team Hebi is already in bad shape.
- Sasuke is hurt and probably has little power left.
- Suigetsu seemed to have used quite a bit of chakra to summon Manda.
The battal royale will most definitely not happen... since when sakura/naruto sees sasuke in his injured state they will no doubt let team hebi leave to tend to sasuke's wounds. It would be awesome that there is a big fight coming up though since we havent seen shino/hinata and shiga's new moves..
By the way, it seems like Suigetsu summoned Manda quite a distance away from the source of the blast, so Konoha probably won't find them at all.
EfrainMan
2007-07-20, 12:55
Hmm...one of the translations seem to indicate that the AL is "Pein," not the Akatsuki girl. It seems to coincide with the pics and bubbles on the Chinese scan floating about, as no one seems to be talking to her. Hopefully I'm wrong, but that would be sumfin, eh?
That Other Ninja
2007-07-20, 13:15
OoOo wow "pein" for the man with multiple piercings. Alright, its established... Kishimoto's sealed stamp of approval for originality DONE.
Not a bad chapter if only for the ending alone.
Just a random thought, I'm sure that earlier in part two the AL had less rings in his eyes. All of a sudden he has an awful lot of them like a hypno coin or something.
Tobi has to have survived or else the whole coming back to life after Sasuke slashed him stint was pointless.
Not a bad chapter if only for the ending alone.
Just a random thought, I'm sure that earlier in part two the AL had less rings in his eyes. All of a sudden he has an awful lot of them like a hypno coin or something.
Tobi has to have survived or else the whole coming back to life after Sasuke slashed him stint was pointless.
Not necessarily true. He still laid the land mines. However, I agree with you, hes so not dead.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-07-20, 13:27
By the way, it seems like Suigetsu summoned Manda quite a distance away from the source of the blast, so Konoha probably won't find them at all.
That's right....Kakashi will probably think about something like Hiraishin since it has the same effects as what Sasuke did...only if Suigetsu got killed he'd be trapped...till someone would summon Manda WITH a snake contract (and only Orochimaru & Sasuke would be able to do so...using their blood)
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-20, 13:28
OoOo wow "pein" for the man with multiple piercings. Alright, its established... Kishimoto's sealed stamp of approval for originality DONE.
It probably sounds more exotic to the Japanese-speaking/reading audience who make up most of the readers.
That's right....Kakashi will probably think about something like Hiraishin since it has the same effects as what Sasuke did...only if Suigetsu got killed he'd be trapped...till someone would summon Manda WITH a snake contract (and only Orochimaru & Sasuke would be able to do so...using their blood)
Kabuto may be able to pull it off now, since he shares part of Orochimaru's genetic makeup.
That Other Ninja
2007-07-20, 13:32
It probably sounds more exotic to the Japanese-speaking/reading audience who make up most of the readers.
I don't think "pain" sounds any different slurred by a Japanese tongue, or for any other tongue for that matter.
tramadrama
2007-07-20, 13:32
So Pein is the name of the leader LOL. If originality is out of the window, the female's name is Joy.
only if Suigetsu got killed he'd be trapped...till someone would summon Manda WITH a snake contract Are you sure? If it is Sasuke, Kishi will most likely transfer him to another summon. If you can believe him what he did, anything related to the summon world is currently a possibility. As long as he is in the summon's world, he can do whatever he likes. Since, it seems, there is currently no rule that suggests, no human can go or live in the summon's dimension. I wonder, if the story will get even more stupid. Actually, I am sure, as long as Sasuke and Itachi are alive, the story will only get worse: summon from the third dimension - Sharingan summon (before it was beyond our reach, now it is within the reach)
Sarugaki
2007-07-20, 13:34
By the way, it seems like Suigetsu summoned Manda quite a distance away from the source of the blast, so Konoha probably won't find them at all.
So how does the Akatsuki leaders know about Sasuke being alive ? ( while Zetsu and Itachi don't ???)
That Other Ninja
2007-07-20, 13:34
So Pein is the name of the leader LOL. If originality is out of the window, the female's name is Joy.
The emo's have spread across the pacific... RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!@>!!!J*(
nightengale5385
2007-07-20, 13:37
Very interesting chapter and It seems Pein and this woman are already in Konoha(more battles yay:D). Also this new "leader" spoke highly of Sasuke, does it mean the akatsuki have no more use for Itachi? If naruto was suppose to be Itachi's catch, then why didn't him and Kisame get sent out?
So how does the Akatsuki leaders know about Sasuke being alive ? ( while Zetsu and Itachi don't ???)Information from the sharingan world, where else? Any use of sharingan is recorded by Sharingan goblins, who then forwards this information to the one with the required contract...
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-20, 13:39
I don't think "pain" sounds any different slurred by a Japanese tongue, or for any other tongue for that matter.
What I meant was Japanese people don't normally refer to pain that way. They have another word for pain, "itami". If the AL's name was Itami it would sound more exotic to those who don't speak Japanese (besides being similar to "Itachi" in spelling) whereas to Japanese-speaking people it probably wouldn't sound original at all.
Just a random thought, I'm sure that earlier in part two the AL had less rings in his eyes. All of a sudden he has an awful lot of them like a hypno coin or something.
His eyes have the same amount rings(3), it's just that the space between the second and third ring has been reduced.
OoOo wow "pein" for the man with multiple piercings. Alright, its established... Kishimoto's sealed stamp of approval for originality DONE.
lol you and me seem to be the only ones realize Kishimoto is a shitty writer.
lol you and me seem to be the only ones realize Kishimoto is a shitty writer.You are disgracing the word "shitty" when referring to Kishi with it...
That Other Ninja
2007-07-20, 13:43
Well we'll see how its really pronounced when the chapter is out. If it is "Pein" hell might as well call him "Penis". Why bother with changing the spelling Kishimoto? Why?
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-20, 13:44
@ Sandaime78
Posting links to RAW chapters can get you banned.
tramadrama
2007-07-20, 13:45
So how does the Akatsuki leaders know about Sasuke being alive ? ( while Zetsu and Itachi don't ???)
With all of the jutsus that we've seen so far, I'd make a guess that someone has the ability to see across different dimensions; you know, some sort of dimension manipulation or something. The ability that they use to meet with "shadow forms" of themselves can be seen as some dimensional jutsu; maybe that's not so farfetched.
Sandaime78
2007-07-20, 13:52
@ Sandaime78
Posting links to RAW chapters can get you banned.
As long as I don't get sued or anything I really do not care.
But just out of curiosity, why would I be banned if its already out and available in the net? I don't get it to be honest.
Just because its available on the net doesn't mean that these boards sanction the free distribution of the copyrighted material.
Well sometimes when humans face danger or in a dangerous situation we can overexert ourselves and do things we normally can't do (within reason of course...). Done forget Jiraiya was poisoned and he summoned Gama and did some high level jutsus like minutes after he was "out of chakra". Naruto summoned Gamabunta whenever he was "out of chakra" too, once trying to save sakura when he and she was about to be crushed. Maybe there was a hidden scene where Sasuke ate some soldier pills or whatever he got from that cat lady. Well at least Manda dies... but we all know sasuke will have something bigger/better than manda later on or revives manda...
well sasuke has been talking about hawks lately maybe he can summon a giant hawk now
ChojinLocke
2007-07-20, 13:59
It's possible Sasuke has another summon in his right hand - we only get to see his left hand - the orochimaru/snake contract. Just a thought.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-07-20, 14:03
So how does the Akatsuki leaders know about Sasuke being alive ? ( while Zetsu and Itachi don't ???)
That's because he must be made all knowing...like he's a god or whatever...
Information from the sharingan world, where else? Any use of sharingan is recorded by Sharingan goblins, who then forwards this information to the one with the required contract...
It seems that everyone has their own contact persons...
Is it me or is it possible that only these 2 akatsuki members are aware of the actual leader. Since this Pein dude seemed all this time the leader of the group.
Sandaime78
2007-07-20, 14:05
Just because its available on the net doesn't mean that these boards sanction the free distribution of the copyrighted material.
Perhaps I am not aware of the laws concerning the internet. I mean NarutoFan, and Naruto Manga Returns provides new Naruto chapters on a weekly basis and they ARE copyrighted materials from Japan right? Perhaps you can give me a little more insight on why its NOT possible. I'm not complaining, just trying to find why. You got me curious.
... Perhaps you can give me a little more insight on why its NOT possible. I'm not complaining, just trying to find why. You got me curious.To keep it simple, it is illegal.
And, a site that resides in a country where the laws can punish the site and the owners (such as animesuki) because of that, taking that risk is not something that is desired. So, this site has made the choice of not making such links/files/info (that would violate the copyright related laws) directly available from here. Even if you are not happy with that, you have to live with it, or you can enjoy it somewhere else.
Those sites are breaking the law...its just not being enforced. The reason it is not being enforced (likely) is because the publishers realize that they will not likely be able to sell to an English speaking market on their own, so this violation does not result in any lost income from their perspective.
More importantly, simply naming those sites here is a violation of the rules of this forum, as outlined in one of the sticky threads. Despite the fact that the laws are unenforced, animesuki still wants to cover its but by not sanctioning things that are illegal. I would advise editing those names out of your post before the mods smite you.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-20, 14:30
Is it me or is it possible that only these 2 akatsuki members are aware of the actual leader. Since this Pein dude seemed all this time the leader of the group.
Seems like it. However, if he is Uchiha Madara like many people believe, then Itachi should also be aware of him as the 3rd MS user.
Furthermore, I wonder why he only reveals his presence to Pein and the female member and issue his orders only through Pein? Supposing he was Madara, it seems like he'd set Itachi up as his second-in-command. However, there may be a specific reason that he didn't.
Mr. Johnny 5
2007-07-20, 14:33
Seems like it. However, if he is Uchiha Madara like many people believe, then Itachi should also be aware of him as the 3rd MS user.
Furthermore, I wonder why he only reveals his presence to Pein and the female member and issue his orders only through Pein? Supposing he was Madara, it seems like he'd set Itachi up as his second-in-command. However, there may be a specific reason that he didn't.
That's right....but that doesnt mean that Itachi knows that he is the actual leader.
But if Itachi would know he'd be the only person of the 3 Akatsuki members i think.
Itachi is already aware that there is a 3rd Uchiha out there. And i think that's gotta be Madara.
Sabaku Kyu
2007-07-20, 14:42
That's right....but that doesnt mean that Itachi knows that he is the actual leader.
It did seem like the leader was more interested in Sasuke than Itachi. Itachi to him may ultimately be a disposable pawn used to get to Sasuke which is why he doesn't confide with him. Pein and the other member may be the only ones who know his true intentions. Somehow, I doubt the world-domination thing explained earlier is his actual goal.
i think it the 3rd user is madara also because iknow the 3rd user would have to be someone itachi cant kill and if it isnt madara it means that itachi prolly spared that person for his own plans
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-20, 14:52
:rolleyes: Sasuke has more chakra than Naruto?:heh:
itachi29al
2007-07-20, 14:53
tobi is dead! I am sooo pissed!!!!! THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST DISSAPPOINING THING I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Team 7 better find him and take him back for interagation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its not that hard too misunderstand sasuke teleported to the summon world found manda used genjutsu on him then suigetsu summoned him and manda
Monkey D. Luffy
2007-07-20, 15:02
It did seem like the leader was more interested in Sasuke than Itachi. Itachi to him may ultimately be a disposable pawn used to get to Sasuke which is why he doesn't confide with him. Pein and the other member may be the only ones who know his true intentions. Somehow, I doubt the world-domination thing explained earlier is his actual goal.
Same here that's what I think, I think there's something deeper going on than the former AL makes it seem. Seeing as how he talked about Sasuke in front of Pein and the girl member it would seem that these two are who he trusts to make things happen and them being the last two revealed should add to that.
It seems Sasuke is a bigger part of Akatsuki than we knew and they might try to get him later on, seeing as he said his eyes would surpass Itachi. I think the Akastuki might be being fooled by Pein acting like he's the leader and in reality theres someone else who is really pulling strings, so Akatsuki is just a front for the Real Leaders true intentions.
Whoever that leader could be, Uchiha Madara, Danzou, whoever??
I don't think Tobi is dead theres just no way he could of died that fast I think he will comeback maybe to show that he belongs in Akatsuki or maybe as something else completly.
airsBlue
2007-07-20, 15:16
tobi is dead! I am sooo pissed!!!!! THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST DISSAPPOINING THING I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Team 7 better find him and take him back for interagation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i don't know why, but i got a strange feeling that the one with shadow that was talking bossy with the Akatsuki leader ..... is Tobi !!!
It seems Sasuke is a bigger part of Akatsuki than we knew and they might try to get him later on, seeing as he said his eyes would surpass Itachi. If he can control Manda and Kyuubi, he can control anything out there, human, summon, demon, doesn't matter. He can zap himself to the summon dimension with no loss, who wouldn't want that, which might allow any kind of summons to be brought back from that world with no contract, hence, removing the limit on summon contracts. Who wouldn't want that body and eyes? No actual side-effects despite the incredible gain it brings, and continuously developing new strange abilities. And, he still hasn't developed MS, which would increase his jutsu possibilities to a completely unlimited level. Let's not forget that chakra level that is only comparable to Kyuubi's own chakra.
Sarugaki
2007-07-20, 15:21
Just because its available on the net doesn't mean that these boards sanction the free distribution of the copyrighted material.
Isn't it ironic !
SamuraiX
2007-07-20, 15:24
Well when ya thought it was impossible another Plot Hole No Jutsu which seems to come out of nowhere with an explanation that makes even less sense. I would have rather had Sasuke been saved by someone else then this garbage.
tkdtiger
2007-07-20, 15:30
Maybe next chapter Sakura winds up healing Sasuke...
Monkey D. Luffy
2007-07-20, 15:30
If he can control Manda and Kyuubi, he can control anything out there, human, summon, demon, doesn't matter. He can zap himself to the summon dimension with no loss, who wouldn't want that, which might allow any kind of summons to be brought back from that world with no contract, hence, removing the limit on summon contracts. Who wouldn't want that body and eyes? No actual side-effects despite the incredible gain it brings, and continuously developing new strange abilities. And, he still hasn't developed MS, which would increase his jutsu possibilities to a completely unlimited level. Let's not forget that chakra level that is only comparable to Kyuubi's own chakra.
Just like me it seems you're completly fed up with Sasuke being able to come up with ridiculous things and rules being bend just for him. He always has an anwer for everything and always comes out on top, I'm tired of it too.
So you're right that's probably why Akatsuki would want him now, considering how he seems unstoppable and he hasn't even reached his full poential considering he dosen't seem to even have Magenkyou and has an it looks like he has an infinte amount of chakra, so having the indestructible Sasuke would be a perfect fit for them. Then maybe the incredible Sasuke will kill the leader and take over, since he can do anything. :upset:
A question though, do you see it possible that someone like Danzou who we can already see has his own motives be pulling the akastuki strings or do you see someone like Madara as more of a possibility.
Sasuke_Bateman
2007-07-20, 15:37
If he can control Manda and Kyuubi, he can control anything out there, human, summon, demon, doesn't matter. He can zap himself to the summon dimension with no loss, who wouldn't want that, which might allow any kind of summons to be brought back from that world with no contract, hence, removing the limit on summon contracts. Who wouldn't want that body and eyes? No actual side-effects despite the incredible gain it brings, and continuously developing new strange abilities. And, he still hasn't developed MS, which would increase his jutsu possibilities to a completely unlimited level. Let's not forget that chakra level that is only comparable to Kyuubi's own chakra.
Lol you sound so upset right now man, i can see where you're coming from though even as a Sasuke fan.
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