Claymore - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[Seska]

There's a whole thread full of manga spoilers to answer that question. ;)



But then you'd have the same problem that Eclipse's translator wanted to avoid, you're attempting to use "abyss" as an adjective rather than as a noun. To be more grammatically correct, what you'd want is "King of the Abyss" instead. That sounds...even sillier than than Dwellers of the Deep (lol, but that's my opinion, no offence intended).

I know, but you forgotten the "English/US Slang" in speak and writing...

i am out of here = i'm outta here...

Sometimes, you don't need to be that grammatically correct..

[Sinestra]

wouldn't the movie be called '47'?

:)

LMAO thats great :D

[Seska]

Lol. Well then, I suggest you take up Mentar's challenge from the earlier episode thread - if you don't like the translation, go make your own fansub. ;)

*points to the Simoun fansubs :)*

Okay okay... i shut my mouth :)

[Anh_Minh]

I am a bit surprised by Galatea, being #3, get beaten by Duff in 1-on-1. Compare to her super long range yuki reading ability, she can't seem to use it in battle to dodge or reduce damage like Clare or Teresa.

It's not like Clare was able to dodge everything, either. And even a graze can hurt, with Duph.

What's true is that Galatea is no Theresa of the Faint Smile. But then, who is?

[Sinestra]

It's not like Clare was able to dodge everything, either. And even a graze can hurt, with Duph.

What's true is that Galatea is no Theresa of the Faint Smile. But then, who is?

Good point Clare has gotten a lot better and sensing Yoki and making it practicle in combat. But she is nowhere near the level of Teresa and as much as Galatea kicks ass i dont think her Yoki reading ability is really suppose to be used for dodging, its similar to Teresa's/Calre's but not the same technique it wouldnt be practical to treat it as such. I agree with Anh_ Minh shes not Teresa no one could replace our dear Teresa *wipes a tear from his eye remembering her faint smile*:(

[khryoleoz]

Why would I need to edit the post.The phrase is not a spoiler or anything like that.And I was just quoting another user who use the phrase in an earlier episode thread.

I'll be contributing to its being a spoiler by making this point, but sharp readers can by sheer association determine where Claymore may be going given the context in which that phrase is made and where the phrase comes from.

Maybe my post is what will be deleted.

I'd rather have the ethics/morality debate concerning Yoma, humans and rabbits
than this broken record repeating through all the episode-threads

I'm ready to make contributions to that.

[Twisted Reality]

Dauf is hilarious.

Am I the only one who thinks so?

He's such a big softie, even in spite of strength and toughness.

[Twisted Reality]

It's not like Clare was able to dodge everything, either. And even a graze can hurt, with Duph.

What's true is that Galatea is no Theresa of the Faint Smile. But then, who is?
Except we've never seen Theresa take on an Awakened Being. Even then, she got her head cut off from a sneak attack from partially-awakened Priscilla. #1 though she may be, she's still as vulnerable as any Claymore to the same types of injuries.

[khryoleoz]

Well...not yet. It does suck to be spoiled by manga to some extent.

And, I wouldn't call someone who'd stick a rod in you for calling them a monster instead of crying about it a softie.

Lol. Well, if you want it that way, here's my take on that debate: Mentar's reasoning has a crucial flaw.



It sounds almost convincing except that he overlooks a crucial point. Morality applies equally to all rational beings, regardless whether you are human or not. The one thing that does blur the whole issue however, is that an Awakened Being needs to eat human intestines to survive. In other words, they don't have a choice but to kill other rational beings.

If however, it can be shown that ABs can choose to eat animal intestines to sustain themselves, but they choose not to, then the debate becomes moot. They are pure evil, regardless what they may think of themselves, vis-a-vis human beings.

I love this point. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[mycen]

"Dwellers of the Deep" brings to mind beings like dark elf, driders, dark dwarves, gnomes etc.. Putting a Lord in there would be more befitting of Riful's status!

On another note, it is nice to see Clare continuing to improve her combat prowess. Now she is able to activate the flash sword as well as anticipate enemy movements via youki simultaneously ... goes to show how much she has advanced. Maybe she is getting more powerfull with each "close" awakening..
Still she is no match with anyone of the Abyss Lords.

I wonder what she is going to do next - Go after Easly/Priscilla in the North even though this is suicidal or continue with her search for Raki...

Now we can have ClareXJean in the meantime :heh::p:D

[mycen]

Dauf is hilarious.

Am I the only one who thinks so?

He's such a big softie, even in spite of strength and toughness.


Ya that was so funny! Dauf is a big soft toy afterall...

[Seska]

Mmm, when Riful says the words.. "but he is my man".. There is a closeup to her face.... Did you noticed her eyes? Can someone read her emotions right in this time? :) What really have she in mind? :)

[Deathkillz]

Good point Clare has gotten a lot better and sensing Yoki and making it practicle in combat. But she is nowhere near the level of Teresa and as much as Galatea kicks ass i dont think her Yoki reading ability is really suppose to be used for dodging, its similar to Teresa's/Calre's but not the same technique it wouldnt be practical to treat it as such. I agree with Anh_ Minh shes not Teresa no one could replace our dear Teresa *wipes a tear from his eye remembering her faint smile*:(
yea i would guess that her main ability is yoki control with the power to sense/read yoki as a kind of added bonus...or maybe she would act a lot better if she didnt have a huge mass of yoki to confuse her own senses (kinda what happened to teresa when that bit*h took a cheap shot on her >_<)

[Seska]

You mean, Pricilla was sending so much Yoki power out, that Teresa's Yoki reading skill was "blind"?

[Anh_Minh]

I'd say she never leant how to dodge Theresa-style because she never had to. She used her manipulation instead.

[Defiled one]

Mmm, when Riful says the words.. "but he is my man".. There is a closeup to her face.... Did you noticed her eyes? Can someone read her emotions right in this time? :) What really have she in mind? :)


Love. He is her man...:rolleyes: Is it so hard for you to believe that Awakaned do have intercourse?

I least Dwellers of the Deep have them.


However, this Easley guy has good taste for picking Priscilla.:rolleyes: IOL If Clare shows up is he gonna put the moves on her?

Oh NOES! :eek:

[Sinestra]

(kinda what happened to teresa when that bit*h took a cheap shot on her >_<)

Preach it brother Deathkillz :D

[Sinestra]

I'd say she never leant how to dodge Theresa-style because she never had to. She used her manipulation instead.
Sorry for the double post, But i would say if it aint broke dont fix it. If manipulation worked for her, then she really wouldnt have a reason to learn how to dodge. I mean look at how she uses it. Manipulating Yoki is a great offensive weapon, make your enemy miss then strike then do it again and again till their a pile mush.
Love. He is her man...:rolleyes: Is it so hard for you to believe that Awakaned do have intercourse?

I least Dwellers of the Deep have them.


However, this Easley guy has good taste for picking Priscilla.:rolleyes: IOL If Clare shows up is he gonna put the moves on her?

Oh NOES! :eek:

uh oh! Easley puttin the moves on Clare i dont think that would go over well. What would Raki have to say before Easley splattered him all over the landscape.

[Lecrew]

Love. He is her man...:rolleyes: Is it so hard for you to believe that Awakaned do have intercourse?

I least Dwellers of the Deep have them.


However, this Easley guy has good taste for picking Priscilla.:rolleyes: IOL If Clare shows up is he gonna put the moves on her?

Oh NOES! :eek:

I know it's a stupid question, but is that how they produced Yomas? :heh:

[khryoleoz]

You mean, Pricilla was sending so much Yoki power out, that Teresa's Yoki reading skill was "blind"?

Or, she could see them all in a way that exceeded her ability to physically respond.

[khryoleoz]

Sorry for the double post, But i would say if it aint broke dont fix it. If manipulation worked for her, then she really wouldnt have a reason to learn how to dodge. I mean look at how she uses it. Manipulating Yoki is a great offensive weapon, make your enemy miss then strike then do it again and again till their a pile mush.


uh oh! Easley puttin the moves on Clare i dont think that would go over well. What would Raki have to say before Easley splattered him all over the landscape.

Yup, it has worked great for her...until she got hit.

[Defiled one]

I know it's a stupid question, but is that how they produced Yomas? :heh:


No, not at all a stupid question. However, Even I, the great Godly me:heh:"Sarcasm" Doesn´t know how they are made. I know they do it though.


But considering that there was a bunch of Youmas with them...It could be a very logical possibility.

But, it would also bring another problem...If youmas are the offspring of Abyssals and Abyssals were Claymores, meaning hybrids.

Does that mean that a horny youma got kinky with a human in order to create the first hybrid?

It´s the dillema of the chicken and egg.

Which means I am getting lost in here...But that a good question nevertheless and you just made the thread alive. :p

[saravis]

I know it's a stupid question, but is that how they produced Yomas? :heh:
No, that would not be possible. The ABs are former Claymores. Claymores were created to fight Yoma. If there were no Yoma, there would be no Claymores. If there would be no Claymores, there would be no ABs. If there were no ABs how could they create the Yoma? I hope that was clear.

[Lecrew]

No, not at all a stupid question. However, Even I, the great Godly me:heh:"Sarcasm" Doesn´t know how they are made. I know they do it though.


But considering that there was a bunch of Youmas with them...It could be a very logical possibility.

But, it would also bring another problem...If youmas are the offspring of Abyssals and Abyssals were Claymores, meaning hybrids.

Does that mean that a horny youma got kinky with a human in order to create the first hybrid?
It´s the dillema of the chicken and egg.

Which means I am getting lost in here...But that a good question nevertheless and you just made the thread alive. :p


No, that would not be possible. The ABs are former Claymores. Claymores were created to fight Yoma. If there were no Yoma, there would be no Claymores. If there would be no Claymores, there would be no ABs. If there were no ABs how could they create the Yoma? I hope that was clear.

Hmm, in that case were not exactly sure how Yoma was created and how human girls turned into Claymore, which makes them a Half-yoma and Half-Human. I'm curious about that in the end if they explain it in the manga or anime.

[guest]

I agree..shame on humans. What greater compassion than to eat another human's intestines, torture Claymores til' they awaken and play head games with Clare...just to know an Abyssal one's name.:p

Yup, Riful should be saint of the year.;)
Yes, and can you imagine doing the honorable things when you are in such a powerful position? How many of us humans can still do the honorable things when we are in the absolutely powerful position and all others have zero chance to fight back? Take a look at newspapers and history of mankind; it is very rare in human traits. If in humans, 10% can do it, it is like 90% of claymores or awaken beings can do it.

[Goofus Maximus]

I did notice they left out one of Riful's main lines from the manga, but I think they might put those lines in next episode, possibly, so I'll keep my lips zipped for a week...

As for the preview, when you see that many claymores gathered in one place, doesn't that give you the feeling you need to be somewhere far away RIGHT NOW? ;)

[Riful]

a tiny slightly off topic question to english native speakers. Why is "abyssal" not grammatically correct? I know "abyssal zone", "abyssal plain", "abyssal hill" does exist in geography, so why would "abyssal one" be wrong. Does it just sound weird? Or does it make them sound like somebody from the deep sea :D

but nobody forces you to stick to the translations, you can use whatever pleases you most and really "true" fans will only use the original japanese words anyway ;)

[khryoleoz]

Because the meaning of the adjective is a measurement of depth. So calling somebody an abyssal one is to say someone has some characteristic(s) of unfathomable depth, not that one is a "dweller of the abyss".

[Kinematics]

Technically, "abyssal" is a valid word, and grammatically correct. The question is more, though, about how to present the concept in a literarily pleasing manner with the proper nuances. "Abyssal One", "Creature of the Abyss", and "Dweller of the Deep" all say basicly the same thing on the surface, but the specific words used conjur up slightly different imagery.

1 and 2 both use 'abyss' as the locational reference, but use different terms for what they are describing. 'Creature' implies a monster, beast or other base being, often driven by primal urges. On the other hand, 'one' is ambiguous and amorphous, and could refer to just about any conscious entity. Each are designed to inspire fear (based on 'abyss'), but for different reasons: fear of the beast vs fear of the unknown.

Number 3 uses 'dweller', an unknown entity nearly as ambiguous as 'one'. Further, this phrasing implies a present location rather than a source of existence. In other words, a "Dweller of the Deep" lives there now, while an "Abyssal One" came from the abyss, and is now (possibly) among us. Thus, again, there is a difference in the type of fear they are designed to inspire, whether it is an entity that will come find you, or if it is something you will encounter as you journey into the depths.

And then there is the difference between 'abyss' and 'deep'. 'Deep' is a generic catch-all for a place far beneath the surface of the world, and thus far removed from ordinary life. It is adequate, and appropriate (in newspaper headline style) to use for the alliteration it brings. 'Abyss', on the other hand, is more primal. It brings to mind the utter unreachable unknown, of the depths of the ocean man had no knowledge of, and no way of knowing, back before modern technology. 'Deep' is something man can reach, with effort. 'Abyss' is something he will never know. 'Abyss' also reminds us of Nietzsche's "When you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you." quote and its associated existential angst.

Phoenetically, "Abyssal One" is slightly clumsy due to needing to use the tongue at the roof of the mouth for two consecutive consonents ('l' and 'n'). Thus it tends to draw out the sound of the phrase longer than should really be needed, and I could understand how someone would feel that it sounds 'wrong'. Of the other two phrases, "Dweller of the Deep" is a syllable shorter than "Creature of the Abyss", and there is often a tendency to want to use the shorter of two generally equivalent phrases when writing.


The question of which, if any, of the above phrases to use depends on the exact connotation the author (and by extension, translator) is trying to convey.

In terms of what we have now, "Dweller of the Deep" is appropriate from the physical viewpoint in that the three in question are not completely unfindable, they are just hidden away. Further, that hiding place is where they currently reside, and Clare is likely to encounter each of them in her journeys. Still, it seems a rather banal approach to describing them.

"Creature of the Abyss" (as Viz uses) is more appropriate for describing them from a more metaphysical viewpoint. These beings are so far removed from humanity, so completely alien, while being the force of absolute law within their domain, that they can be considered to be brought forth from the abyss. At the same time they are 'creatures', monsters driven by their desires, whether for food or power or whatever. They are not completely unknowable, amorphous entities. Unfortunately that means using an overly flowery descriptive phrase, especially for full titles (eg: Creature of the Abyss, Riful of the West).

[gvozden]

There is another option:

The Abyssals

examples

http://secure1.white-wolf.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=197, << intended as an example not advertising

http://www.wowwiki.com/Abyssal

Star Wars inhabitants of station Abyss, Abyssals.

So that would avoid using awkward "Abyssal ones".

And for Dweller of the Deep, when I searched net got, lake trout and various squids, Davy Jones from Pirates of Carabeen, Merman from Masters of the Universe, Aquaman DC Comic.

[grss1982]

To quote another user:

CLAYMORES!!! Tonight we dine in Hell!!

I guess that by now everyone knows that next Tuesday is the start of The North War arc.But has anyone notice it's also the release date of 300. :eyebrow::eyebrow:

Maybe more than just coincidence that the two stories of the Claymores series North War arc and 300 which have certain similarities are released the same day, Hmmm!!!

What do you think about this?

:heh: :D

If the previews are to be believed, then we are definitely going to be having "300" references in this thread. :p

[meh]

Woah, didn't expect to see a big discussion on morality here.

Anyway, I just want to say I'm really glad the English Manga translation ended here. It was nice to actually not be spoiled while watching. :) The next arc looks REALLY, REALLY awesome.

[NoSanninWa]

Woah, didn't expect to see a big discussion on morality here.

Anyway, I just want to say I'm really glad the English Manga translation ended here. It was nice to actually not be spoiled while watching. :) The next arc looks REALLY, REALLY awesome.

Actually Viz has just released volume 9. ;)

Go. Buy. Be spoiled. :D

[Twisted Reality]

Oh well, all this heavy morality aside:

Riful and Dauf have got to be truly the most amusing anime couple ever. Their characterizations for the last couple of episodes depends very heavily on their playing off of each other. The profound comedy of their relationship is all there if you look for it.

On the surface, all you see is a little girl teasing and scolding a big brute. To superficial appearances, it's just a little girl and her devoted keeper. Except the audience knows it's precisely the opposite. That's funny, it's an inversion of the typical guy vs. girl power structure. Riful is the one that truly wears the pants in the relationship.

All this serves to imply just how powerful Riful is. She is, after all, bossing around an Awakened Being. But more than that, we see her handicraft in Dauf's tactics. We see his cylindrical spears all over the place to throw off the Claymore radar, and we know that Dauf is being used to enforce discipline amongst the Yoma guards.

Which really just alludes to how much to how intelligent Riful is. She can cow an armored tank of death *and* make plans that have, on their own, decimated the hunter-killer team sent against her. Yet in spite of all her power and intelligence, Riful still views this lurching brute as her hubby. Hilarious.

As for Dauf. Dauf is equally hilarious. He's such a big crybaby, nevermind that he's an ungodly powerful tank. He's dumb, that's for sure, but regardless, he wants to serve Riful the best way he knows how. He really does like Riful and is terrified at the prospect of her leaving him. This guy isn't so much a "warrior" as he is thug. Nonetheless, you kind of feel sorry for him. His heart is in the right place and he's simply out of his depth when he's fighting a group of Claymores that are more intelligent than him.

Riful permits him to have his fun smashing things without stepping in with her overwhelming power. She looks after his entertainment and also lets him have his chance at feeling useful. She might be settling on him, but nonetheless, it's clear that Riful doesn't need external assurances of her own power. She has the luxury to sit there and pretend to be a little innocent girl. And she doesn't actually have to make an obvious display of her power up until the point that she's required to save Dauf.

If anything, the problem with Riful is that she has too much power and not enough company. This is evident in her "sentimental moment" with the Claymores kicking ass as a team. And it is also plenty evident that what she really wants isn't power, so much as she does a social life. If she has to conquer lands and go to war with the Man of the North, oh well. Maybe she'll meet some interesting people along the way.

Oh, it's not an ideal romantic love like you're used to seeing in most anime. But it works -- it has a chemistry all on its own. It's kinda cute, in a man-eating sort of way. If nothing else, it is hilarious. My mind laughs.

[Sinestra]

Yup, it has worked great for her...until she got hit.

yeah she did get hit didnt she? Well nothing last forever never said the technique was full proof.

[EasyPrey]

a tiny slightly off topic question to english native speakers. Why is "abyssal" not grammatically correct? I know "abyssal zone", "abyssal plain", "abyssal hill" does exist in geography, so why would "abyssal one" be wrong. Does it just sound weird? Or does it make them sound like somebody from the deep sea :D

but nobody forces you to stick to the translations, you can use whatever pleases you most and really "true" fans will only use the original japanese words anyway ;)

First of all, I would recommend that you read Kinematics' explanation (from page 15). He did an excellent job of explaining. As a speaker of many languages, I could see how his explanation--while awesome--could fail to explain to a non-native speaker.

Here is the difference between "deep" and "abyss":

Deep: Imagine yourself going down a deep, dark tunnel. It would be extremely scary, but you could do it. You can go down and eventually come back out. It might exhaust you, but it remains possible for you to navigate a "deep" tunnel successfully.

Abyss: Imaging yourself looking into a black hole. Here lies in front of you this incredible power, that your mind can't even comprehend. Now, imagine yourself falling into that black hole. Feeling the utter despair of the inevitable. That is an abyss. A place so dark, deep and hopeless, that your mind can't even imagine the full depth of it.

"Deep" implies something you could measure (and possibly even conquer). "Abyss" implies infinity. A place so dark and deep and you will never come out of that alive.

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So, the translation of "abyssal one" would imply that their power level is beyond comprehension. "Dwellers of the deep" is more in line with a sleeping dragon. A sleeping dragon (once awaken)--while extremely formidable--is possible to kill. "Abyssal one" would be a god like creature with infinite power. Such a creature could not be hurt or killed.

So it boils down to translation. Translator of the manga decided to use "abyssal one" implying god-like power and infallibility. While the Anime translator decided to use a term, that is more in line with a sleeping dragon. It does not mean that one is "right" while the other one is "wrong" (or vice versa). Translation is always a tricky business. You will find that it is common for different translators to use different terms, based on their understanding of the work of art, as a whole.

-EasyPrey

[khryoleoz]

At this point in the progression of the series, we have nothing more to go on about what motivates Isley, so those are the inevitable conclusions right now. Call it unfair but I am injecting information on future events into the argument by knowing them. And we do learn more further down about Isley's reasons. We also learn later why "flight" would be a better and more sensible of the two responses, but she still tries to fight.

If with all that I've said I still can't convey why her actions are inconsistent with her views, then I'm at a loss as to how to express them with greater clarity. I must own up to inability on my part.

[Defiled one]

Having more lands means more chances of encountering female Awakened or Claymores to awaken and then....:naughty:

And it also means a larger hunting territory, more food.:rolleyes:

At least that is what I would do. It´s logical.

[B-day]

So, the translation of "abyssal one" would imply that their power level is beyond comprehension. "Dwellers of the deep" is more in line with a sleeping dragon. A sleeping dragon (once awaken)--while extremely formidable--is possible to kill. "Abyssal one" would be a god like creature with infinite power. Such a creature could not be hurt or killed.

So it boils down to translation. Translator of the manga decided to use "abyssal one" implying god-like power and infallibility. While the Anime translator decided to use a term, that is more in line with a sleeping dragon. It does not mean that one is "right" while the other one is "wrong" (or vice versa). Translation is always a tricky business. You will find that it is common for different translators to use different terms, based on their understanding of the work of art, as a whole.

-EasyPrey

Thanks for the explanation. But to choose between Abyss or Deep, looks back to the original japanese words 深淵, for what I understand, it really means Abyss, so deep that is bottomless.

[Riful]

Thanks for the explanation. But to choose between Abyss or Deep, looks back to the original japanese words 深淵, for what I understand, it really means Abyss, so deep that is bottomless.

Same here, thanks a lot for these awesome explanations to Kinematics and EasyPrey. Very interesting!

I agree that 深淵 means "abyss". 淵 already means "deepness", adding 深 makes it "deep deepness", deeper than simply "deep" :eyespin:
On the other hand "mono" isn't a very precise description and can refer to normal human beings as well. That's why my choice of translation would be "Those of the Abyss", but that probably sounds weird in English again :heh:

[Seska]

"Those of the Abyss" = Abyss Walker, Abyss kind...

... Just a Brain flash...

[mycen]

Why not use "Lord of the Abyss". It has a nice ring to it no?

[Riful]

Very simply, because that's not what they are called. If you think it fits, you can use it as you want, but that is really a personal interpretation, and it's not what Yagi has called them ;)

[stormy001_M1A2]

Heh, more cheesy names can be used such as ":"The Deep Ones" so Dwellers of the Deep sounds alright to me.

[KiNA]

I dont know about other peoples here.. but I so want to see her in claymore uniform..

As in, not in loli form >.>

[meh]

Actually Viz has just released volume 9. ;)

Go. Buy. Be spoiled. :D

Ha ha. Actually, I just moved to China, so it would be hard to get the English version. Of course, the Chinese translation is up to speed with the Japanese original. But I'm not going to continue until this season's finished. After that... well, I'm not the kind who's patient enough waiting for a potential second season. :)

[anime_addict90]

I cannot believe I just started watching claymore today! It's absolutely amazing! I just love it! can't wait for ep 18:)

[khryoleoz]

Just today? And you've gotten as far as episode 17 in a single day? Man, the power of Claymore is surely awesome!

[potchip]

The 'dwellers of the deep' is coined as much for their supposed power as the element of unknown. Remember the whole term was made by the organisation, which, has limited information, other than the knowledge that the trio are the strongest AB out there, due to their ranks before awakening. The Org knows they exist, yet up until this point, the trio have not made much of a mess of the world as you'd expect from evil beings of great power. Hence they are known but hidden.

I guess I'm part of the minority that found this episode less than overwhelming. The thing that grated most was the VAs. An earlier someone's dissatisfaction with Riful's voice must has caught on, as I found while the pitch of her voice is fitting, there lacks variety in both emotion and pace, making her many dialogues rather monotonic. Jean's VA was doing her job but it is strained. There isn't the hint of conviction I expected.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

But it's a translation after all. I don't really care if they translate it like that, when I read the subs I automatically think of them as Abyssal Ones

[Goofus Maximus]

Well, the end of the anime isn't really the end, since the manga just goes on and on. How they pull off a satisfying ending is a mystery to us all.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Madhouse will make up their own end arc. They did it before for Gunslinger Girls, so I am not surprised if they do the same for Claymore.

[Davidj]

Well, the end of the anime isn't really the end, since the manga just goes on and on. How they pull off a satisfying ending is a mystery to us all.

Killing a Big Bad would do nicely.

[wsheit]

Madhouse will make up their own end arc. They did it before for Gunslinger Girls, so I am not surprised if they do the same for Claymore.

Uggghhh...I hope not. I hate divergent storylines; I like everything to be canon. Otherwise it interrupts the alternate reality being created.

[Seraphis]

Uggghhh...I hope not. I hate divergent storylines; I like everything to be canon. Otherwise it interrupts the alternate reality being created.

For me it depends on the quality, just because the majority of fillers are sub-par to the canon episodes, doesnt mean that is always the case. If the animation team really work hard to produce an interesting story, and animate at the same quality, I'll be happy.

[xVxObliVioNxVx]

I would be very dissapointed if they made up an ending for Claymore. That would mean that a second season would be out of the question. I hope that the last episode does not have an ending, kind of like the anime Berserk.

[Guido]

Geez, I am so delayed with the reviews, and that's for being a lazy bum.

Anyways, episode seventeen was pure adrenaline and spectacuar action.


Clare displayed a surprising or rather a strange quality to pull out the same yoma manipulation technique as Galatea did on her to pull Jean back from Awakening.

As well, as she learned how to reclaim control of Irene's right-arm to direct the Flash Swords' hits to aim only at Dauff, thus clearing the path for Jean to strike with her drill sword attack.


The animation was visually gorgeous. The faces for Clare and Jean looked so effusive and vibrating with life. Riful's was drawn beautiful as well, so expressive and emo.

Since I have read all of the manga until the latest issue, they skipped important pieces of dialogue.
Sorry, but cannot display that piece of spoiler as it has yet to be disclosed in the anime. Already under the watchful eye of the mods, therefore, I cannot risk a third yellow card.

But I can tell this...

I definitely witness a change on attitude for Jean and Riful.

In the anime Riful extended her invitation to all three girls to be her guests and joined her as Awakened, but in the manga.... <spoiler>

Galatea's face displayed a sense of reasurrance and may daresay faith upon listening and witnessing Jean's conviction to stand for Clare. Galatea went as far as hinting without outright revealing that she would lie to cover for them.
That scene in the manga, all I can say is that Galatea remained neutral.

[NoSanninWa]

I would be very dissapointed if they made up an ending for Claymore. That would mean that a second season would be out of the question. I hope that the last episode does not have an ending, kind of like the anime Berserk.

You do realize that the ending of Berserk was from the manga? The anime did not make that up. If the anime doesn't make up an ending for Claymore it increases the chance it will end like Beserk.

Galatea's face displayed a sense of reasurrance and may daresay faith upon listening and witnessing Jean's conviction to stand for Clare. Galatea went as far as hinting without outright revealing that she would lie to cover for them.
That scene in the manga, all I can say is that Galatea remained neutral.

Nope. Galatea said basically the same thing in the manga as in the anime. I think you misremember it.

[xVxObliVioNxVx]

You do realize that the ending of Berserk was from the manga? The anime did not make that up. If the anime doesn't make up an ending for Claymore it increases the chance it will end like Beserk.

Exactly. I am quite familar with the Berserk ending comming from the manga. Hence why I was using it as an example to point out that it would be best for Claymore to end with a Cliffhanger like the way Berserk did. The only thing is, if it ends with a Cliffhanger, then I see the anime as not having an ending, if you know what I mean.

[NoSanninWa]

Thank you. I wasn't quite sure of your words. I also hope that the series ends on a cliffhanger.