Claymore - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[Varis]

omg the ep was soo gooooood, go Riful!

Now I just have to watch it =)

[Defiled one]

omg the ep was soo gooooood, go Riful!

Now I just have to watch it =)

It just started:mad:

[ArmisaelXVIII]

I can wait to see how they get out of it. I'll be a extremely good EP.

[goukilord]

i really need to lean JP :upset:
well util then gotta wait for the pics.

[Defiled one]

The Episode was....Riful seems to be courting Clare? We may never know..Seriously Huge! Stuff of an iceberg. A MUST SEE!

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7103/78674134ao8.jpghttp://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1383/39934505rz4.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9673/81257066cu5.jpghttp://img515.imageshack.us/img515/927/67056241pp9.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2148/89840884mx1.jpghttp://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9517/23642486jo7.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2416/97236785xi2.jpghttp://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3196/13281210jf0.jpg

[xVxObliVioNxVx]

I wonder what Ritful has planned. She is obviously fully in charge, despite Clare's and Galatea's intentions.

[Xellos-_^]

That last screen shot, is that the preview or did that actually appear in this Ep :twitch:

[Defiled one]

Preview...

Seriously..people like me want to scream and to talk right now about the episode but I must control myself. Riful was just!

And I almost forgot...

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3420/97222885za3.jpg

[B-day]

WAH WAH, who is she?????:(:(:(:(:( You are killing me.

[Defiled one]

Sorry dude I can´t. I just post the pictures for the episode. It´s the only legal spoiler in here. Unless I want to get banned....

[Goofus Maximus]

W00t! The Northern Campaign approacheth!

[Fenrir_valindri]

My question for you defiled, is how good was the animation this episode? :D

[Rhyel]

Sorry, making confusion about pictures previews... :(

Ohh... Its Going fast to end (less than 26 scenes?),

I think wrong about extra chapter about Raphaela past. :(

[yondy]

Preview...

Seriously..people like me want to scream and to talk right now about the episode but I must control myself. Riful was just!

And I almost forgot...

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3420/97222885za3.jpg




Not bad Madhouse, but my avatar is still hotter. :D

[Defiled one]

My question for you defiled, is how good was the animation this episode? :D


Well...It was usual.

[Ukiya]

some1 can tell me where i can watch this ep?

[Fenrir_valindri]

Well...It was usual.

Simliar to what episode "usual" ?

Edit: Also, were the parts that were left out last episode injected in this episode by any chance?

[Seska]

Please, if you burning inside. To tell (or other says Spoiler) us the name of the Chars in the Preview.... Then please only the Name.

No hard feelings...i'm just a Curiosity Guardian for the Anime Only Viewers in this thread...

[Defiled one]

Please, if you burning inside. To tell (or other says Spoiler) us the name of the Chars in the Preview.... Then please only the Name.

No hard feelings...i'm just a Curiosity Guardian for the Anime Only Viewers in this thread...

It´s more fun to wait...rises up the tension:rolleyes: Ps "You are thinking it`s Teresa aren´t you?" Maybe it is maybe it isn`t...It´s more fun to be spoiled in the actual episode than in a forum. Moderator taught me that...the hard way.

about the episode quality....Around episode 7 or 8:( but I am not sure definatly not Ophelia Arc quality

[kenshin514]

Sorry to all the moderators. I won't answer to any more spoilers.

[Fenrir_valindri]

about the episode quality....Around episode 7 or 8:( but I am not sure definatly not Ophelia Arc quality

That's good, 7 and 8 were about as good as it gets, only the last 2 episodes in the Ophelia arc were better, now I hope they had the brains to reinsert the taken out lines from the last episode :upset:

[xVxObliVioNxVx]

I just hope that they draw the faces correctly this time. There were a few shots in the past episode where Galatea and Clare were horribly drawn.

[witchking99]

Okay, to be fair. The Last person of the Preview (no not the Guess who?. The Dual Swords Claymore ). She is named after a Water God....


Oh! Wait, wait!! I know who it is.It's, it's, it's... Ahh! I'm not sure if I say it I will get banned, so if please anyone can tell me if I can tell the name of the amazon woman in the preview.:D:D:D

[NoSanninWa]

Please don't.

It´s more fun to wait...rises up the tension:rolleyes: Ps "You are thinking it`s Teresa aren´t you?" Maybe it is maybe it isn`t...It´s more fun to be spoiled in the actual episode than in a forum. Moderator taught me that...the hard way.

Darn straight! It is a lot of fun watching people scramble to figure out their own answers. Some of them come up with ingenious answers. Or ingeniously bad answers! It is even more fun than ruining things.

[Goofus Maximus]

I just hope that they draw the faces correctly this time. There were a few shots in the past episode where Galatea and Clare were horribly drawn.

You mean that spot where Clare looks like she has no prefrontal lobes, or a bizarre beehive hairdo on a teenytiny head? They did that to her in one episode of The Slashers arc, too.

[witchking99]

Oh Darn!! I know it's more fun to wait and see the people trying to figure out what will happen next, but it's just that some of us have this urge to spoil things up a little.With all this knowledge of things to come and no way to let it out.AHH!!!!

[NoSanninWa]

Oh Darn!! I know it's more fun to wait and see the people trying to figure out what will happen next, but it's just that some of us have this urge to spoil things up a little.With all this knowledge of things to come and no way to let it out.AHH!!!!

That's why the spoiler venting thread exists. Go and release all your eagerness to talk about the next episode there.

[xVxObliVioNxVx]

You mean that spot where Clare looks like she has no prefrontal lobes, or a bizarre beehive hairdo on a teenytiny head? They did that to her in one episode of The Slashers arc, too.
Yeah, I meant the one were Clare had no prefrontal lobes on her face. Quite disturbing. What were the animators thinking, that no one would notice? I know I am being picky, but man I wish Claymore would look as good as the Madhouse movie Paprika.

[t3ck]

Wow from the screenshots the animation looks really good for this episode! I can't wait! Hoping for some kickass battle scene!

[Flora20709]

Preview...

Seriously..people like me want to scream and to talk right now about the episode but I must control myself. Riful was just!

And I almost forgot...

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3420/97222885za3.jpg

OMG OMG OMG :D:D:D
i guess the ep got a whole lot better :heh::blush:

[stormy001_M1A2]

Ah she is here, one of my fave operator.

[Negativedark]

Since I cannot say there actual names, I will mearly refer to them as lovely and tiny. I hope you can guess who I mean.
So what's everyone think of the cute little Loli Riful now?

[witchking99]

I guess she's "MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE" :D:D:D

[kingsky123]

Claymores = Biological transformers

[stormy001_M1A2]

She is never cute to me in 1st place. Some sig here in forum said before, run away from little girl(s) in any Japanese game. I think it is an apt description for Riful.

[Mentar]

Since I cannot say there actual names, I will mearly refer to them as lovely and tiny. I hope you can guess who I mean.
So what's everyone think of the cute little Loli Riful now?

What I think of her? Best character in the entire show ^_^ ... seriously.

[Xellos-_^]

She is never cute to me in 1st place. Some sig here in forum said before, run away from little girl(s) in any Japanese game. I think it is an apt description for Riful.


Now i am remind of the Men In Black Movie when will smith shot the little girl instead of the other aliens in interview/test :p

[Defiled one]

Silent hill comes to mind. No matter how innocent they look. A horrible heart attack awaits you.


Teresa learned that the hard way.

[Riful]

just another fanboy magnet ;)

[SebaZ]

Wow from the screenshots the animation looks really good for this episode!
you can tell how well the episode is animated looking at still images?

[Majek]

Wow So Riful shows why she's one the 3 baddest mofo's of AB's :O cool. so someone better bring a hammer if they want to beat or even seriously hurt her, since from the pics it looks like if you want to slash her she'll just fall apart and immobilize your sword. :Heh:

and what's with the "guess who" girl, she looks even more melancholic than your regular claymore. i bet she's powerful, they all (try to) look speshul.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Now i am remind of the Men In Black Movie when will smith shot the little girl instead of the other aliens in interview/test :p

If you have good weapons, yes. General rule of thumb, an encounter of little girl in such scenario will warrant massive caution, retreating is a good choice in 1st encounter. You never want to provoke a potential major badass without any good weapons.

[Mentar]

The great aspect of Riful isn't her power. It's her brains and her overall disposition. I don't want to spoil it right now, but the way she handled issues in this ep was way classy :)

[dappastyle]

How do the people not in Nihon get to watch it?

Grrr!

It's should be kick ass!

[t3ck]

you can tell how well the episode is animated looking at still images?

The animation has always been good. Just that a couple of scenes the way their face was drawn really bad. From the screenshot doesn't seems like it will be like that. Thus my conclusion.

[NoSanninWa]

I know I am being picky, but man I wish Claymore would look as good as the Madhouse movie Paprika.
Not fair. Almost nothing looks as good as Paprika.

[Riful]

So, who do you *think* (not know) is going to survive this fight and who will die? :confused:

[NoSanninWa]

Well.. based on past history, everyone except for Clare and Raki are in some serious jeopardy. :D

[witchking99]

The raw is out!!! Go get it, my minions!! I command you!!! HAHAHA!!!!! :D:D:D

[Mentar]

Interesting. One major omission to the manga in the end, but one which kinda makes sense. Again, the anime streamlines the show and removes parts which don't really belong there ;)

I think the animation was excellent, and the use of the lighting was done in a very nice way. Therefore, I draw one of my rare 9s without hesitation.

Note with slight mocking: This must be the longest minute-long lunge at someone I've ever seen *lol* ... but I don't mind too much.

Also, they handled Riful slightly differently compared to the manga, but again - better. They made her quite a bit more creepy.

Happy camper here.

[NoSanninWa]

Then did they add in that bit which was missing last episode during the dialogue between Clare and Riful?

[Mentar]

Eh? I don't remember anything important missing between them. Do you mean between Jean and Riful? Nope. Was not to be expected either, since the scene was shown without interruption before.

[Deathkillz]

The Episode was....Riful seems to be courting Clare? We may never know..Seriously Huge! Stuff of an iceberg. A MUST SEE!

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7103/78674134ao8.jpghttp://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1383/39934505rz4.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9673/81257066cu5.jpghttp://img515.imageshack.us/img515/927/67056241pp9.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2148/89840884mx1.jpghttp://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9517/23642486jo7.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2416/97236785xi2.jpghttp://img526.imageshack.us/img526/3196/13281210jf0.jpg
zomgz!
loli chan's face...*shiver*

and the last 2 pics are just wow...a whole legion of claymores :eyespin: kinda gives me the urge to yell: "THIS IS SPARTAAA!!!" :heh:

this is one ep i cant wait to see! :O

[mycen]

Looks to me that one of Clare's strong points is her ability to quickly learn other claymore youki capabilities/specialities. Seems like Clare tried the "Galatea derived youki manipulation" technique on awakening Jean and it somehow restored her...
Could be my imagination though...

[dappastyle]

The raw is out!!! Go get it, my minions!! I command you!!! HAHAHA!!!!! :D:D:D

I'm not getting any download speed at all.

I take that back, it just kicked to 650kps :D

[Riful]

As Mentar said, they did not add the parts that were left out last time. Neither the dialogue between Riful and Jean nor the part about Priscilla. Rather they actually removed something else. And here I don't agree with that making sense to me bringing Alicia to observe Riful was always the reason for the organization sending Jean and maybe other teams. To make them fight against Riful eventhough they have no chance in order to find out Riful's strength. But it might be an indication for the anime going for an original ending or at least removing the parts they cannot include in this season

They had already removed the part about Priscilla and her ... err, "speciality" from the very episode she appeared in, so it kind of makes sense for them not to include it now either and anyway they cannot give the solution to her behavior which hasn't even appeared in the manga yet

Oh right, this episode already introduces Eva and her team (and their voice actors aren't even listed in the credits oO; )

[B-day]

Yeah, some differences compares to manga, Riful looks even more creepy and powerful(and huge) than in manga. Animation is back to what I expect, no more ugly, deformed faces. Not just Clare & Galatea, especially Riful was drawn much better than last episode.

Poor Duff, becomes a punch bag. Must have been hit thousands of time by Clare & Galatea.:heh:

Overall, very high quality, a perfect 10.:D:D:D:D

[Xellos-_^]

As Mentar said, they did not add the parts that were left out last time. Neither the dialogue between Riful and Jean nor the part about Priscilla. Rather they actually removed something else. And here I don't agree with that making sense to me bringing Alicia to observe Riful was always the reason for the organization sending Jean and maybe other teams. To make them fight against Riful eventhough they have no chance in order to find out Riful's strength. But it might be an indication for the anime going for an original ending or at least removing the parts they cannot include in this season




They can put that in a ova follow up release to the anime.

The next arc is going to define whether Claymore is Very Good series or a Great series.

[stormy001_M1A2]

With more hot chicks with big swords flying around? Maybe it will make or break the anime.

[wrex_japan]

Ep. 17 summary and pics (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=563).

Awesome finish to the arc. It just makes me hungry for the next episode though.

[Goofus Maximus]

So, Riful is her own personal helicopter, eh?

[Flora20709]

So, Riful is her own personal helicopter, eh?

well Umm u can say natural and She has super speed:heh:

[Rhyel]

I watch the RAW...

OMG, Amazing... Better than manga... Too intense. :D

Clare Stolen Mirror attack again. :love:

Please MadHouse make fillers for Claymore, to wait manga end :uhoh:

[cors8]

Watched the raw. I really hope they don't leave out a scene and make sure it's added in the beginning of next week's eps., like they did with chibi-Clare and Teresa's head.

A tad disappointed they cut out some of the Clare/Jean interaction but that's to be expected due to time.

At least Riful was still nicely done.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I watch the RAW...

OMG, Amazing... Better than manga... Too intense. :D

Clare Stolen Mirror attack again. :love:

Please MadHouse make fillers for Claymore, to wait manga end :uhoh:

Do you have money to sponsor the OVAs? If you do please make it so. We all wanted to see Claymore anime right to the end of the story.

[Flora20709]

I Just Saw The Raw Pretty Neat But again i only go like 30% of it

Jean Looks More Of A Guy Then A Girl

I wonder how undine would look like :o

[dxanato]

This was good episode but the preview make wonder just were do they plan to end the series.

[Amirali]

can any one please post a download link for the clay more episodes
animeotaku is not working properly plz help
thank u

[Flora20709]

go to animesuki.com

[Goofus Maximus]

I think he means the raws. I usually find them at saiyaman, but the subbed version is only a day later.

[chibamonster]

I did not expect Riful to be that huge. She was ENORMOUS. It really gave her a different feel than in the manga. A very different feel. This episode was great to watch. Also interesting how it is diverting away from the manga a bit now that the season is on the downhill slope. Makes me wonder what will happen in the next few episodes. If they plan to resolve it here with an original ending it still might be kind of interesting. I'm really looking forward to the next few weeks especially if the fights continue being this much fun.

[superzombie23]

Seeing how the pace is ROLLING with no filler in sight, I'm definitely hoping for some hot OVAs in the future. Madhouse better do OVAs.

[hollywoodlou]

I Just Saw The Raw Pretty Neat But again i only go like 30% of it

Jean Looks More Of A Guy Then A Girl

I wonder how undine would look like :o

haha. I have to wonder how they'll animate Isley. Now when I first saw him in the manga, I thought he was a chick!



Good that you mentioned it, I want to hear Undine's voice...especially Helen and her snickering:cool:

[Claymorefans]

I am confused, why Riful let them go?

[stormy001_M1A2]

She wants them to be stronger so when she comes back, they will be more powerful Claymores to be Awaken in order to be more powerful Awaken Ones.

[B-day]

I did not expect Riful to be that huge. She was ENORMOUS. It really gave her a different feel than in the manga. A very different feel. This episode was great to watch. Also interesting how it is diverting away from the manga a bit now that the season is on the downhill slop.

Riful was very impressive in her awakened form, what I expect from one of the top three Abyssal ones. Duff was like a teddy bear compared to her.:p In manga her lower body was essentially a spiral, but in anime she was more like wearing a dress.:D

How can a Loli become something so huge??????:confused::confused::confused::confused:

Norihiro Yogi should really step up the manga release, now only one chapter a month.....:(:(:(:( Oh, it will take several years to have enough material for season two.:heh:

[stormy001_M1A2]

Nah, this rate is fine. I prefer time and quality. Claymore is meant to be enjoyed slowly like fine wine, not fast food like Naruto.

[Varis]

I'm so amazed at this series. I read the manga and thought it was awesome. I could only hope that the anime would not ruin it...


Instead the anime is even better done. They really made this come to life.


(nit picking some shots that where made on a friday afternoon or monday morning don't count he he)

[Claymorefans]

can any one please post a download link for the clay more episodes
animeotaku is not working properly plz help
thank u

Do you want chinese version ?

http://claymorefans.getbbs.com/Post/Topic.aspx?TID=12

here is episode 01-17 online

[Deathkillz]

this is just awesome @_@
pitfalls after pitfalls and finally you would think that the big guy is done for...then loli chan steps in to rain on the parade ~ interesting that clare managed to turns jean back...where there is a hope there's a way i guess...
never expected loli chan to let them live...but her motives for it is still twisted...great concluding ep for this arc :)

[silverstri]

yeayyy can't wait to watch this ep!!!
seems better than previous with more hotties!!

[Defiled one]

I think the quality will increase in the last episodes, they were probably saving the big part of the budget for it.

[witchking99]

So how many eps you people think this series will be? Since Anidb says unknown number of episodes. :(

[wpninja]

So how many eps you people think this series will be? Since Anidb says unknown number of episodes. :(

It will only be 26 episodes, that is unless they make a second season in like 5-7 years from now.

[Riful]

I don't think Riful was any taller than in the manga, there are a few panels where you see her head and Clare & Co really tiny down on earth.

Somehow I thought of Riful's "ribbons" to be softer, but in the anime the sounds she makes imply that it's like some kind of metal. Now I feel that the name "Riffle" fits her even better ;)

And I didn't think of her eyes as red :heh:

But Jean doesn't look as good as in the manga. Well, I really like Jean, one of my favorite characters, I hope she'll get many fans as well.

[kangsi]

Are they epi 17 in animesuki? I can't find any of it in there=((

[Defiled one]

They are soft to those she wants to be soft. Her ribbons are like hundreds of razor blades. She´s an Abyssal you know...This ones aren´t called Lords for no apparent reason..

By the way. This episode has been seeded as hell, took me less than 20 minutes. Usually it would take me 4 hours, at least. :heh:

[kangsi]

where to download???

[GHDpro]

where to download???
This episodes has (afaik) not been subtitled yet. The others (above) are talking about the RAW, unsubtitled episode. AnimeSuki does not list RAW anime, but they're not hard to find if you know where to look.

PS. Just in case: DO NOT bother PM'ing me about where to look. Just Google, or something.

[Negativedark]

All this discusion of Riful's body reminds me of how I did a series of articles in the biology thread on the awakened. Also is it just me, or does Riful have a more mature looking figure in her awakened form? By the way, didi her voice change any when she transformed?

[Defiled one]

No, I also noticed...

[Riful]

Her human form is "flat", awakened form not really ;) and her voice is quite different. Nana Mizuki did a good job with that imho

[miroku2192]

wait so they're the same voice actors even when they change into an awakened being and sound all hoarse and some" manly"?

[Defiled one]

Yes...that´s why they be voice actors

[miroku2192]

well i mean there has to be some program too right? that helps it a bit?

[Defiled one]

I think not....The vocal cords can be dynamic you know. Even manly Clare.

[miroku2192]

mmm i guess you're right..but damn they're good. I guess it'd be pretty fun (voice acting that is).

[Defiled one]

Not when you voice adult anime....:naughty:


Anyways....

it seems that Clare....Has still a long journey to reach...

[miroku2192]

^rofl

but yeah, i can't believe there's only 26 episodes. It better not be one of those lucky kills that Clare gets to beat ophelia...And how is she gonna get that strong in just 10 episodes :(?

[Seska]

Norihiro Yogi should really step up the manga release, now only one chapter a month.....:(:(:(:( Oh, it will take several years to have enough material for season two.:heh:

Just for Info. Claymore #1 (c) 2001

[Flora20709]

Well They Might Make The Anime Super Fas Foward

[miroku2192]

wait there's gonna be a season 2 for claymore?

[Defiled one]

Nope. Not gonna happen

[Seska]

Do you guys know when the subs are gonna be out from eclipse? Last week it came out around 2 PM eastern time...Is it consistent with "that time" or does it vary?

When it's done. You know they doing it for free, and in her/his Free time.

[miroku2192]

n0o00ooo i love claymore too much for it to end!!

haha i just realized something...if everything goes as it should (1 ep per week), then the 26th episode is released on sept 26th!

yeah im just really bored right now...can't wait for the episode XP

[Rhyel]

Any chance to MadHouse made one OVA per month?

This type of release (one OVA per month) exist? Like Macross Zero? :confused:

If not... Anyone please tell MadHouse to make this.... :uhoh:

Edit: All last Animes is ending on 23 episodes, this is new form, the old form 26 is near end.

[miroku2192]

wait what are you saying? an ova per month? what do ya mean? they're doing one episode per week...so what's the ova per month thing? i thought there were no continuations/w/e?

[Seska]

Any chance to MadHouse made one OVA per month?

This type of release (one OVA per month) exist? Like Macross Zero? :confused:

If not... Anyone please tell MadHouse to make this.... :uhoh:

I'm happy, if they planed to bring some Manga Side story, and some Fans scan it, and translate it for the rest of the Claymore Fans over the World...

That would be nice...

[cf18]

Nope. Not gonna happen

Why would that be?

[Defiled one]

Stop dreaming. Claymore ain´t profitable.

[cf18]

This type of release (one OVA per month) exist? Like Macross Zero? :confused:


Legend of Galactic Heros were one OVA per month. Macross Zero was one per 6 months.

There are very few non-H OVA being made in recent years.

[witchking99]

Nooooo!! a series like this cannot end like this.We must do something to stop this series from ending in ep.26.I say we storm the studios and force them to keep releasing the manga story as soon as possible.What say you? :D:D:D

[Rhyel]

wait what are you saying? an ova per month? what do ya mean? they're doing one episode per week...so what's the ova per month thing? i thought there were no continuations/w/e?

Anime at episode 23 it reaches the Manga...

Manga is release one per month... It make a good deal to have one OVA per mouth of Claymore.

Fillers is wellcome too.

Legend of Galactic Heros were one OVA per month. Macross Zero was one per 6 months.

There are very few non-H OVA being made in recent years.

Thanks, this is good... I have hope now. :D

[B-day]

Nooooo!! a series like this cannot end like this.We must do something to stop this series from ending in ep.26.I say we storm the studios and force them to keep releasing the manga story as soon as possible.What say you? :D:D:D

The problem is Yogi only releases one chapter manga a month, it will take another 6 years to have enough material to make season two.:heh:

[miroku2192]

WHAT!?!? the manga is released...one chapter every month? BUT WHY!? That's gonna totally affect the anime when it reaches episode 23...Thats horrible! making people wait a month or two for 1 episode to come out? 1) it's gonna lose fans...and 2) become less profitable than it already is!

wtf:confused::confused::frustrated::frustrated:

[Rhyel]

@ miroku2192

The better possibilty for Anime is more sad... No more Claymore for long years or never... :(

For Manga this make more and more fans every day... ou Every Month... ;)

[cf18]

Stop dreaming. Claymore ain´t profitable.

And how would you know that? You work at a Japanese TV station? They just start selling the first R2 DVD today.

It can be also like Guyver which get a anime remake every 8 years, and never reach a real ending...

[Defiled one]

PEOPLE!! DO NOT WORRY FOR I AM YOUR SAVIOR!!...Or not...:rolleyes:



We have Fanfics.......:dots:......"Silence"........:dots:......."Silence"



O_Okay....I guess not....:hmm:

[miroku2192]

so what's gonna happen to the anime at episode 23? like what rhyelys said? that we just have to wait?!

[Riful]

you can wait for a possible second season or OVA which might come in 5 years or never at all. Or you simply read the manga ;)

[Majek]

WHAT!?!? the manga is released...one chapter every month? BUT WHY!? That's gonna totally affect the anime when it reaches episode 23...Thats horrible! making people wait a month or two for 1 episode to come out? 1) it's gonna lose fans...and 2) become less profitable than it already is!

wtf:confused::confused::frustrated::frustrated:
are an idiot? The anime will end. And it that's that. Won't be the first one nor the last that will use only the material that was availalble at the time.

[B-day]

I read somewhere each episode costs $150,000 to produce. So if someone will donate $4 million to madhouse, I'm sure they will make season two.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[witchking99]

are an idiot? The anime will end. And it that's that. Won't be the first one nor the last that will use only the material that was availalble at the time.

you can wait for a possible second season or OVA which might come in 5 years or never at all. Or you simply read the manga ;)


You two don't seem to be unhappy about this aren't you? One could say that you preferred the manga over the anime in all, although you can't compare the manga to the anime in the sense that the manga is just still drawings that have no sound or movement.While the anime gives a closer feeling to the story, like you are actually living it, that's the experience that the anime brings you.Something that a piece of paper can't do.So of course it's normal to be like this knowing that it could end soon.
:mad::mad::mad:

[Seska]

And for what are there Animes? to bring exactly the same Scene thats in the Manga on screen?. Well, the animate pictures.. are more then fillers between two Manga fields...

Tweak here and there in the Anime, cause of that the Manga readers are looking. To see, if their illusions in their Mind. Fits with the same from the "official" side... Or they are just looking for "fillers","side story's" or "this was in the Manga, but don't in the Anime. Blasphemies!!!!" :)

[Riful]

it's not that I'm happy or unhappy, but I'm not upset. that's simply how it is, the anime will end as many other series. So I just stated the possibilites you have - waiting for a possible continuation of the anime or read the manga ... or of course, donate like B-day said or buy the Claymore DVDs like crazy :D

And well, I don't agree at all with what you said, I actually "lived" and "felt" the story much more while reading the "piece of paper" - thats different for every person, to me the manga is superior to the anime.

[miroku2192]

yeah...it's just so much better watching the anime imo, more action/feelings in it, but thats just me. I feel like it's more memorable sometimes when it's the anime.

[Riful]

Now already wanted to ask last week after reading wrex's blog: What do you think about Riful's name being intended to mean Riffle? I have to admit it fits her awakened form (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Canon_ray%C3%A9_premi%C3%A8re_guerre_mondiale_img_ 1967.jpg/800px-Canon_ray%C3%A9_premi%C3%A8re_guerre_mondiale_img_ 1967.jpg) rather well.

[B-day]

Now already wanted to ask last week after reading wrex's blog: What do you think about Riful's name being intended to mean Riffle? I have to admit it fits her awakened form (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Canon_ray%C3%A9_premi%C3%A8re_guerre_mondiale_img_ 1967.jpg/800px-Canon_ray%C3%A9_premi%C3%A8re_guerre_mondiale_img_ 1967.jpg) rather well.

Agree, especially the form from manga.:eyespin:

[zephyrmiasma]

they might release the claymore extra scenes of Theresa when they caught up with the manga...
maybe... who knows:eyebrow:

and yay to Undine another macho man claymore to watch:eyespin:

[B-day]

Everyone, sub is out:D:D:D:D:D

yea, I'm shouting.

[Mentar]

Now already wanted to ask last week after reading wrex's blog: What do you think about Riful's name being intended to mean Riffle? I have to admit it fits her awakened form (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Canon_ray%C3%A9_premi%C3%A8re_guerre_mondiale_img_ 1967.jpg/800px-Canon_ray%C3%A9_premi%C3%A8re_guerre_mondiale_img_ 1967.jpg) rather well.

Disagree.

She had the name Riful during her human days. When she got her name, nobody could have predicted that she would awaken and gain this power.

Besides, the pronunciation also doesn't fit "Riffle" either.

[Westlo]

You can't do an OVA a month because you only get one chapter a month and each episode takes about 3 chapters worth of material.

And yep sub is out, impressions in 30 mins.

Oh btw Galatea > that new hussy

[Riful]

When she got her name, nobody could have predicted that she would awaken and gain this power.

nobody apart from Yagi-sensei ;)


Besides, the pronunciation also doesn't fit "Riffle" either.

It does fit. "Riffle" is written as リフル in Katakana.

[Mentar]

I'm talking about Galatea's pronunciation. Likewise, Clare's.

If it was supposed to be "Riffle" as a hint to her power, the author made a logical boo-boo. I seriously don't think it was intended that way. But okay - all IMHO.

[Riful]

ah, you mean the Japanese pronunciation? But that one is always off anyway :heh: Let's say a Japanese person will pronounce Riful's name and the word "Riffle" the same way.

You're right about the story. But I dunno, "Riful" isn't even a word or a name, it's purely invented. I don't think that was the intention of the author either. :uhoh:

[Trickle]

Stop dreaming. Claymore ain´t profitable.

What did they make a season 1 for then? ***** and giggles?

Currently its one of the most downloaded series on Anime Suki. If they can market that into western DVD sales like Bleach and Naruto and/or get it regularly on the front page of TV.com like they are then it will be profitable.

[Squawks]

Hey Madhouse, thanks for creaming my pants.

[Goofus Maximus]

Sigh. Well, the line I was looking for was in there... sort of...

But it was stated in a way that robbed it of most of it's impact, compared to the manga version. You're the only one who can accept me... without breaking

As for second season possibilities, since the Mangaka skipped a month here, is it possible that he's storyblockiing for the anime, which will now surge ahead of the manga? Maybe? *sniffle* no? *lip tremble*

[Fenrir_valindri]

A well done episode overall, I am immensely disappointed at some of the ommited parts (this episode and last) but I think I can live with it.

and Goofus; I completely agree, that line was o.O worthy in the manga.

[Defiled one]

What did they make a season 1 for then? ***** and giggles?

I couldn´t put it better:rolleyes: It won´t have much media attention though. Maybe a year or two. A classic nevertheless but it will be underground.

[Mentar]

With all due respect, but how do you feel in any way competent to judge the commercial success of the anime?!?!

I strongly doubt your claim that the Claymore anime accrues losses.

[Rotton the Wizard]

Jeane totally did a "GIGA DRILL BREAKAHHHH" from Gurren-Laggan on Duff and Clare made a short "believe in me" speech. :D I find the similarities hilarious.

May their swords pierce the heavens.

And if it has no possibility of being a spoiler later on in the anime, what was omitted at the end of this ep?

[Defiled one]

Actually I am only juding it´s profit. Not it´s popularity nor it´s quality.

You see, in these good old days of capitalism, some people invest and expect profit. Why would Claymore be any different?

[cors8]

What did they make a season 1 for then? ***** and giggles?

Currently its one of the most downloaded series on Anime Suki. If they can market that into western DVD sales like Bleach and Naruto and/or get it regularly on the front page of TV.com like they are then it will be profitable.

Difference is Claymore is much more bloody than both Naruto and Bleach combined. It's possible but it's a big hurdle to overcome.

Anyway, I loved the way Riful was talking about having comrades.

I'm really disappointed with the way they did Clare's quicksword to protect Jean. In the manga, she's in the air behind Jean. In the anime, it looked like she was still standing on the ground, which would make no sense in regards to her sword striking Dauf's hands.

I hope they add some missing stuff in the beginning of next eps. and don't cut out too much either.

[Defiled one]

Anyways this is episode 17, not how much money it´s gonna make.


Riful always had the upper hand. They didn´t stand a chance, at all, if she wanted them for awaken.

I think what saved them was their charisma. Riful took a liking to them, especially Clare who showed her some interesting attacks that made her gasp, by it´s originality in combat.

Until then, they must grow stronger...That´s when Riful will search for them.

[NoSanninWa]

And if it has no possibility of being a spoiler later on in the anime, what was omitted at the end of this ep?

It has a strong possbility of being a spoiler later in the series. If you want to know you'll have to venture into dangerous spoiler threads like the anime spoiler venting thread. People will be glad to tell you all about it there, but be careful because you'll be spoiled.

[TigerII]

I love this show. The game of finding out who is good and bad is a fun one to play for me.

And all the Raki haters have been rejoicing I guess. I can't wait for his return.

[Defiled one]

I think Raki is dead....But that´s just me.

[Azure King]

watch the preview for 18 .. looks like an all out war.. YAY

[Mentar]

Actually I am only juding it´s profit. Not it´s popularity nor it´s quality.

You see, in these good old days of capitalism, some people invest and expect profit. Why would Claymore be any different?

And how would you judge its profit? How would you happen to know it? :)

Sorry for putting it so bluntly, but I think you're full of it. Commercial numbers are well-kept secrets.

[Last_Hope]

I think Raki is dead....But that´s just me.

I´d say its a bigger chance for him to make a comeback with Claymore powers than as a corpse. Now I would really like that, it´d be much more fun if he makes a comeback with a new cocky style. "I´m going to protect you now Clare". :D

//
When Clare releases powers into her right arm to open up a path for Jeane and her screwdriver move. Reading Duff´s yoki to make sure she doesn´t hit Jeane. That animation of her right arm turning into a white glow which she sends speeding towards Duff with the music in the background and the soundeffects of Clare "activating" her Flash Sword. That was one of the goosebumpiest moments I´ve ever seen. :bow:

[Defiled one]

Oh really? 10 years after, we will see who is right:rolleyes: Let`s see that second season coming.

[Last_Hope]

Oh really? 10 years after, we will see who is right:rolleyes: Let`s see that second season coming.

There´s no need for such an event to be 10 years after. And tossing Raki out of the picture just to kill him off? Why? That´d be poor writing in my opinion and so far I can´t say that I think the writers behind Claymore has done anything to warrant especially much negative criticism. Claymore is pure awesomeness with a tad of coolness and lots of OMFG. :D Though I think the truth is going to be somewhere inbetween. My bet is that Raki will be more mature and stronger when he makes his comeback but he will still get his ass kicked by Yomas.

Unless you´re a manga reader (aka cheater :heh: ) and already know what happens. :p

Oh, I really hope Claymore wanders the same route as FMP. If there´s not enough manga material then don´t make an anime, wait until there´s enough material to produce something. But I´m most definitely picking up the manga. I can´t wait a week to see what happens next. :heh:

Edit//
I´m really tired, it has been a long day, so if I´ve misunderstood anything I apologize. :

[FlareKnight]

Oh come on Raki is not dead. If he's going to die or be killed it's going to be during an important part of the plot. He's not just going to show up dead out of the blue.

Agree the end was a bit odd with Clare apparently standing still yet holding Dauf with the flashsword. At that point all I could figure it was some shockwave effect, probably just a minor mess-up though.

Kind've expected this kind've conclusion. No way could they overpower someone of Riful's calibre. For her reasons she let them go though I'd have to think she'll want them as allies at some point down the road. Also had an idea she'd go in and save Dauf since last thing she wants is him dying. Riful is one interesting character that I'm looking forward to seeing again.

[Defiled one]

All I know is that there will be some big battle coming up. Never seen so much claymores. And those awakened....This Isley ain´t a person to play with.

[Nesty]

Watched the raw. I really hope they don't leave out a scene and make sure it's added in the beginning of next week's eps., like they did with chibi-Clare and Teresa's head.

A tad disappointed they cut out some of the Clare/Jean interaction but that's to be expected due to time.

At least Riful was still nicely done.

riful was done amazingly well :) quite seemless and we actually got to see her super speed fly away haha!

Do you have money to sponsor the OVAs? If you do please make it so. We all wanted to see Claymore anime right to the end of the story.

lmao, i'd love to see ovas of the "background chapters" that the artist is doing until claymore becomes a weekly manga ;)

anyone else like the whole slow mo thing of jean doing the first attack on duff? wanted to see more nakey jean tho but nooooo clare had to put that armor/cape on her so soon T_T

sigh, was hoping to see clare stumble just a bit and show that she's still learning and tired from what she learned from galatea when she was with jean

[myopius]

Quite... excellent. I had two concerns for how they'd wrap this fight up.

1) I wondered whether Riful would let them kill Duff. Figured the only way they could allow that was if Riful says he wasn't strong enough to be worth being her man.
2) Also wondered how they'd explain the fact that Riful, after Duff's fight ended, would not choose to finish the job of Awakening the three herself. (It's a given they wouldn't let Riful fight when Duff died, since there's no way the three could win against such a major character early on especially in their weakened state.) Figured if she decided to save Riful then maybe she could leave on the grounds that she needs to tend to him, or if Clare managed to somehow get a hit on her then she'd leave on the grounds that it'd be pointless to tell Clare that without letting her follow up on it.

In the end she decided to save Duff, but it wasn't clear to me why she didn't right after decide not to finish the job herself. I guess the unspoken reason is probably that she has to tend to Duff, or that she doesn't see the need to do it herself.

Jeane was awesome this episode. Her personality is really cool. So serious about everything... Definitely a great ally to have. Seeing her talk about how she having died once she won't betray her morals to extend her lifespan was a pleasant surprise, this being a shounen I expect raw feelings as justification but hers is a deep ethical conviction. Clare also rocked, rather than being uncool (e.g. hot-headed) like usual she was an inspiration to watch work. Too bad for Galatea, she had a lot of work done on her by Duff that inhibited her from seeing the spotlight, didn't she...

That Clare could use the flash sword and her super yoki-sensing ability at the same time is quite impressive. I thought she had to switch from offense to defense instantaneously... Maybe defensive yoki-sensing is different from yoki-sensing to pintpoint a target? Though I thought the point was the yoki from her own attacks interfered.

lmao, i'd love to see ovas of the "background chapters" that the artist is doing until claymore becomes a weekly manga
Just to clarify, by "until claymore becomes a weekly manga" you mean that you hope that would happen so they could start to adapt it into an anime at a good pace?

[NoSanninWa]

Yeah, he's just hoping with any reason to expect it. It's not happening so please don't start a rumor.

[Mentar]

Not weekly manga. On november 2nd, a new "premium quality" monthly magazine is issued for the first time, and Claymore will be featured in it. Until then, we'll get a couple of side stories to pass the time.

About Riful - it's a bit less obvious in the anime, which has been shortened about 1-2 things she said - but I'd say it's clear that she would have been able to do whatever she pleased with the Claymores. Look how she fished Jeane out of midair. Clare and Galatea could barely stand anymore, and Riful simply received a Claymore into her head and only smiled. It was no matter about rescuing Duff first, she purposely let the others go.

Why? Because she _really_ got to like all three of them, I absolutely believe her when she said that. Also, she's been particularly impressed with Clare's mad efforts and said so. Also remember how she was following the fight with genuine interest. She's no mad monster driven by hate and a wish to destroy. She has a purpose and is following it - and having the three join her later, willingly, is worth waiting.

(My take on it)

[B-day]

Not weekly manga. On november 2nd, a new "premium quality" monthly magazine is issued for the first time, and Claymore will be featured in it. Until then, we'll get a couple of side stories to pass the time.



Oh, that's a long wait.:(:(:(

[Defiled one]

I agree with Mentar.

Riful really liked them. That saved them, it was not strenght, not wounded Duph but Riful that was captivated by their Charisma.

It seems she can sense potentical, otherwise she wouldn´t be surprised with clare Strange technique of awakening. It also seems that she had never seen anything like it, not even the almost awakening and return to normal. Clare must be something new to her.

Riful even offered, in a way, to Clare that if she wished to fight then she should join her.

Riful seems to like friends, probably because she was alone and wishes more company and to defend herself against this Isley

[stormy001_M1A2]

I read somewhere each episode costs $150,000 to produce. So if someone will donate $4 million to madhouse, I'm sure they will make season two.:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Madhouse Gunslinger Girl episode cost the studio about USD$300,000 per episode in 2004 adjusted inflation. Just for fact. I can imagine Studio IG with greater infusion of cash can indulge in beautiful anime like Seirei no Moribito will cost easily around 1 million? Seirei no Moribito boasts some of the best action sequence in this year due to massive amount of animation in the fights. Too bad they did not pick up Claymore.

Oh, that's a long wait.:(:(:(

Good things sometimes take time to come out. By the time the anime finished, people will go for next good anime and forget Claymore. Simple consumer behaviour.

[Seska]

Good things sometimes take time to come out. By the time the anime finished, people will go for next good anime and forget Claymore. Simple consumer behaviour.

*hust*Code geass*hust*

Why don't we wait and see? See what happened with Naruto? with Bleach? with... others that are bigger then 2-3 Season...

If the Viewers depend more Episodes... and the Sponsors, are there to give money... Well you can imagine the rest...

But, for some Studios, it can be, that to much likeness (i'm half asleep, sry) can be the beginning of a Doom... They are cursed only to produce this kind of anime... no more others...

[B-day]

Good things sometimes take time to come out. By the time the anime finished, people will go for next good anime and forget Claymore. Simple consumer behaviour.

What is the next good anime, any recommendation?:p

[stormy001_M1A2]

Well people already screaming for Kyoto Animation's Haruhi Season 2 or Clanad. Shakugan no Shana Season 2 is slated to be in autumn of 2007.

There you go.

Die hard Claymore fans meanwhile will resign to fact that they have to wait for the manga to come out once a month to continue where the anime left.

[Kinematics]

I agree completely with Mentar's take on Riful. She wants them to join her side willingly. Even while torturing Jean, Riful was trying to convince her to join her side of her own will.

I'm curious as to whether she'd accept them joining her while they remained claymores, rather than as awakened. There would have to be some serious moral compromises on both sides before that would likely be possible, though, so who knows.

Also be fun to see Riful join Clare rather than the other way around :) That, plus the army gathering in the preview, would be somewhat reminiscent of Suikoden, what with Clare being our resident hero and all. Just need to find her a castle.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Joining Riful for Claire will be equalivent of US Marines joining the Taliban. Simply impossible.,

[Xellos-_^]

I love the part where Riful was saying how she love thier friendship and teamwork and when Dauf was complaint about his hand she told him to shut up so that she can enjoy this friendship moment :heh:

Also I wonder what she mean when said to Dauf that "no one else can accept me without breaking" :uhoh: she is made up of tentacles and Dauf can make hard rods anywhere on his body :twitch:

[B-day]

I can imagine Studio IG with greater infusion of cash can indulge in beautiful anime like Seirei no Moribito will cost easily around 1 million? Seirei no Moribito boasts some of the best action sequence in this year due to massive amount of animation in the fights. Too bad they did not pick up Claymore.





Yeah, Seirei no Moribito is simply amazing quality.:D

Well people already screaming for Kyoto Animation's Haruhi Season 2 or Clanad. Shakugan no Shana Season 2 is slated to be in autumn of 2007.



Big thanks.:p:p:p

[stormy001_M1A2]

I think what she meant is Duph or Dauf is good toy for her to "play" without getting worn out.

[Anh_Minh]

I think Riful likes hugs. And sadly, not many can take hugs from her twice.

[Reppa]

I agree completely with Mentar's take on Riful. She wants them to join her side willingly. Even while torturing Jean, Riful was trying to convince her to join her side of her own will.

I'm curious as to whether she'd accept them joining her while they remained claymores, rather than as awakened. There would have to be some serious moral compromises on both sides before that would likely be possible, though, so who knows.

Also be fun to see Riful join Clare rather than the other way around :) That, plus the army gathering in the preview, would be somewhat reminiscent of Suikoden, what with Clare being our resident hero and all. Just need to find her a castle.

Joining Riful for Claire will be equalivent of US Marines joining the Taliban. Simply impossible.,

Not really in the realms of impossible. Look at why she is looking for allies in the first place. She need a team to help her out for her problems. Now if her if problems become overwhelming to a point to where she would have to compromises. Like a Ungodly powerful AB shows ups (something that can even dwarf Pricilla.) I wouldn't be surpriesed if she would let them remain as claymores.

[hollywoodlou]

I think Riful likes hugs. And sadly, not many can take hugs from her twice.

I think Riful will only hug them if they're awakened. Discrimination!:p

[FlareKnight]

Yeah hugs...no doubt that's what she was talking about :heh:

Have to say Riful is a pretty interesting person(to what degree AO are people). Just watching her talk about the touching teamwork or asking Clare to stop fighting since she doesn't want to kill her. Agree that she probably wants them to join her willingly. Plus she was probably quite touched with the teamwork and incredible effort they put out and she probably has grown to like them. In this case she can probably be pretty patient. She knows who Clare's goal is and defeating that opponent will be hell of a lot harder than beating Duf.

Admit joining sides might be a little uncomfortable. Going to the village for a snack would really make things a bit complicated. But it's possible if things got to a point where it was either that or total annihilation for both sides. Crazy things can happen when your under pressure.

[Kouvley]

Excellent end to the arc.

Good old teamwork wins the day! :D
Luckily Riful decided not to pursue the fight any further as she seems to have grown quite fond of our trio.
I hope to see more of Riful later, she's one of the most interesting characters so far and Mizuki Nana continues to do a great job voicing her.

We got to see more of Jeane's character in this ep, I found her quite likeable - Clare's found herself a very good ally. :)

Lots of Claymores shown in the preview, looks like they might be preparing for an all out war against the man in the north. Seven more days till the next ep! :heh:

[TigerII]

That would suck if sex was decided by who could take her without passing on......must be painful for poor Duff.

[whitepearl]

Jeane totally did a "GIGA DRILL BREAKAHHHH" from Gurren-Laggan on Duff and Clare made a short "believe in me" speech. :D I find the similarities hilarious.

May their swords pierce the heavens.

And if it has no possibility of being a spoiler later on in the anime, what was omitted at the end of this ep?

LOL at the Gurren-Lagann references.

Why didn't I think of that? :heh::heh:

[half_awake]

I totally agree about the voice acting, in particular: Riful, Rubel, Irene, and Teresa. Having read all the manga, these voice actors were dead on - some better than I could have imagined.

Now a big one, so be aware:

It becomes clear over time that Riful wants ONLY ABs. Claymores, even the most powerful of them, are nothing compared to the power needed to battle the other AOs/DotD. Remember, Galatea is number 3 and Riful was egging her on to awaken. Things will become more clear during the next story arc.

Pieta here we coooomme!!!!

[Nightbat®]

Ir amazes me that Jean was able to revert back to her human form
non of the 'onscreen' awakenings (Elena/Clare/Deneve/Miria) were in such an advanced state of 'metamorphosis'
ofcourse in the previous Ep Galatea already explained Jean would rather die than awaken and it was clear
she was mentally hanging on for dear life, or death in this case
(on a personal note, her "yoma form" actually struck me as beautiful)

Which brings me to the observation, that in this ep Clare seems to have shown the most progression/potential
She mimicked Galatea's trick on Jean with succes, she went balls to the walls on Dauf without losing or exhausting
herself and managed to manage her 'yoki reading' skills together with her attack

Too bad it didn't end with a 'bang', but seeing Jean raise her sword to Galatea was impressive
Galatea conceding to Clare's disobedience and willing to lie to the org, gives me the idea Clare recieved not one
but got 2 allies that day (maybe even 3 if you consider Riful could help Clare get her revenge)

[stormy001_M1A2]

What the anime failed to convey is, Claire is very exhausted from mimicking Galatea's yoki manipulation is saving Jeanne. Manga showed it clearly that she did not want want to do it again, as it is too exhausting for her.

[FlareKnight]

Well I'd hope it would have an effect on Clare like being exhausting. After all she needed Irene's right arm just to get the flashsword to half speed. Incredible though that Jean was able to revert back. She really has quite an iron will and she really gives off that honourable feeling.

[Flora20709]

The Thing That Surprised Me Was The Fact That Her Body Awakened But Your Mind Didn't Just Very Sweet

[Panzerklein]

Ir amazes me that Jean was able to revert back to her human form
non of the 'onscreen' awakenings (Elena/Clare/Deneve/Miria) were in such an advanced state of 'metamorphosis'
ofcourse in the previous Ep Galatea already explained Jean would rather die than awaken and it was clear
she was mentally hanging on for dear life, or death in this case
(on a personal note, her "yoma form" actually struck me as beautiful)



Helen or Elena :twitch:? Elena was slained by Claire before she lost human mind at near the end of Episode 1, wasn't it?

Flash sword of Clare and other skill of Galatea are not affect on Duff, but Armor percing style skill of Jeane is useful on Duff's armor even she is the last of single digit. In other way, Jeane is a clam person like Irene :D.

[guest]

We, as human beings, should be ashamed. Those “monsters,” awaken beings and claymores, show greater compassion, loyalty, and honesty than average humans.

Riful, as one of the strongest awaken beings, cares for the one she loves and desires for compassion from her friends if she has some. She says torturing them is just to awaken them. She does not enjoy torture and only did it when it is necessary. She is honest. She says she has no intention to kill and she never did kill any of them even when it would have been so easy to her, considering they almost killed Duff.

Jean, as an awaken being and being tortured physically and psychologically, still stands by her own truth to the last moment. After she pleas her loyalty to Clare, the person who saves her, Jean stands by her own decision no matter what. I can see why Riful really likes people like her.

Galatea, ranked no.3, is not the type who just follows orders blindly. She deliberately let go Clare and Jean and even covers up for them. She is the Claymore, with beauty and intelligence to go with.

I agree with Irene. Clare needs to learn her place. I am glad to see she finally realizes now just how far her goal is.

[FlareKnight]

Well we do need to remember there are good and bad in every group (aside from youma they don't seem to have much distinction there.) The awakened males we have seen aren't exactly beings to be envied on their emotional level. So far both seem pretty heavy on torture and enjoying having fun while doing some pretty terrible things.

Really we should just take this to the male gender should be ashamed. Admitingly without anymore male claymores we have to use the humans and awakened males. Right now like it's been said we've seen some incredible compassion, loyalty, and honesty from the female side.

While I'm not a big fan of the eating people thing. Riful is a character I can't help but respect and like. While torture isn't the best thing in the world she's not doing it for kicks, but as an efficient way to cause them to awaken. Jean also has some great moral character. She'll stick by her word until the bitter end I can tell from the short time we've seen her.

This was an important encounter aside from information that Clare gained (really Galatea probably could've told her all that about Easley. This just showed her how far away she is from her opponents. Priscilla without a doubt is going to be incredibly powerful and Easley if things get dangerous probably won't just side by and let something bad happen.

[danaman]

That Shyt Was Good!

[t3ck]

Wonderful episode. The animation, music, voice acting are all perfect. I don't really mind when they miss out certain manga conversation or scene. I like the feeling of watching the animation as another production instead of a manga conversion. The only thing I can't compromise is the animation (the drawing of the characters' face and battle scenes namely) and this episode didn't fail me. Another 10 since ep 8.

[WanderingKnight]

We, as human beings, should be ashamed. Those “monsters,” awaken beings and claymores, show greater compassion, loyalty, and honesty than average humans. We, as human beings, should also understand the difference between reality and fiction.

(Now, now! I'm just poking fun at you :p)

Nice episode. Looking back, I had the fear that this series would become a "monster-of-the-week" show. Thinking a bit, it doesn't feel so far off... In the end, each arc is focused in killing a specific monster. However, there must have been something else that made me not feel this as another MOTW show. I don't know what could that "something" be; plot, characters, animation... The latter doesn't strike me as particularly impressive (good, but not awesome), so I guess it must lie either in the plot or in the characters. I had expected the Claymores to be nothing more than soulless killing machines, but they have proven to have strong human attitudes... Perhaps it was that. Who knows.

At any rate, Riful needs a hug. A big one.

[4Tran]

I found this to be yet another excellent episode. If more shounen fighting shows were like this, I'd definitely like the genre a lot more. Thankfully, Claymore seems to have avoided most of the pitfalls that often plague such shows. One of the more obvious ones is that the Claymores don't hesitate to use superior numbers to gang up on a tough opponent.

I'm not as enamored with Riful as some seem to be, but I think that she's an interesting change of pace from what we've seen so far. I found Jean and Galatea 's characters to be even more to my liking.

The way I read Clare's character, if Riful's help truly represented her only chance to take down Priscilla, she'd accept it in a heartbeat.

[KiNA]

At any rate, Riful needs a huge hug. A big one.

Fixed.

:p

[Anh_Minh]

I don't think Clare could accept the fact that awakening is the only way. She'd just persevere to somehow do it as a human.

[hollywoodlou]

[QUOTE=guest;1060699]We, as human beings, should be ashamed. Those “monsters,” awaken beings and claymores, show greater compassion, loyalty, and honesty than average humans.

Riful, as one of the strongest awaken beings, cares for the one she loves and desires for compassion from her friends if she has some. She says torturing them is just to awaken them. She does not enjoy torture and only did it when it is necessary. She is honest. She says she has no intention to kill and she never did kill any of them even when it would have been so easy to her, considering they almost killed Duff.

/QUOTE]

I agree..shame on humans. What greater compassion than to eat another human's intestines, torture Claymores til' they awaken and play head games with Clare...just to know an Abyssal one's name.:p

Yup, Riful should be saint of the year.;)

[Flora20709]

The way I read Clare's character, if Riful's help truly represented her only chance to take down Priscilla, she'd accept it in a heartbeat.


Well If spoiler's were allowed

[WanderingKnight]

Fixed.

:p

:heh: Blame my late-night posting. I edited it already to save my face (?).

[stormy001_M1A2]

I found this to be yet another excellent episode. If more shounen fighting shows were like this, I'd definitely like the genre a lot more. Thankfully, Claymore seems to have avoided most of the pitfalls that often plague such shows. One of the more obvious ones is that the Claymores don't hesitate to use superior numbers to gang up on a tough opponent.

I'm not as enamored with Riful as some seem to be, but I think that she's an interesting change of pace from what we've seen so far. I found Jean and Galatea 's characters to be even more to my liking.

The way I read Clare's character, if Riful's help truly represented her only chance to take down Priscilla, she'd accept it in a heartbeat.

The chances are, Claire will find the other way to fight Priscillia rather than a devilish alliance with Riful. If they succeded in killing Priscillia, the balance of terror in Rabonna continent will be gone and Claire smart enough to realise that nothing will stop Riful to dominate the world in this scenario. And she also knows that she will not be strong to oppose Riful in this scenario too.

However if Claire alone killed Priscillia, she will become the next power player in the setting and creating some sort of detente to keep the Dwellers of the Deep in check since she is strong enough to do so.

What I liked about this anime is, it emphasizes brotherhood/sisterhood of war. Warrior creed such as "never leave a man behind" is resonating strongly here. Claire decision to go and rescue Jeanne's party alone despite her heartache of missing Raki is good example of this comradeship.

And as you said, they are not shy from group attacks. Which is very sensible approach in combat, maximize your survival chance by cooperation instead of idealistic one on one fights which so popular in other shonen animes.

[Echoes]

Jeane immediately struck me as a very attractive and charismatic character. She's so noble and honorable. I'm relieved she made it out of the dungeon, and I'm absolutely looking forward to seeing more of her.

[hollywoodlou]

Jeane immediately struck me as a very attractive and charismatic character. She's so noble and honorable. I'm relieved she made it out of the dungeon, and I'm absolutely looking forward to seeing more of her.

She's a great character. Not only is she honorable BUT she also resisted awakening after all the pain and suffering Riful and Duph put her through. Her 'drill technique" is also one of a kind.

[4Tran]

I don't think Clare could accept the fact that awakening is the only way. She'd just persevere to somehow do it as a human.
Woops. I didn't mean to imply that she'd Awaken, just that Clare'd regard accepting Riful's help as preferable to Priscilla's continued existence.

Well If spoiler's were allowed
Nobody's interested in any spoilers here.

The chances are, Claire will find the other way to fight Priscillia rather than a devilish alliance with Riful. If they succeded in killing Priscillia, the balance of terror in Rabonna continent will be gone and Claire smart enough to realise that nothing will stop Riful to dominate the world in this scenario. And she also knows that she will not be strong to oppose Riful in this scenario too.
At this point, Clare's barely even aware of the "politics" surrounding the Awakened; her goal seems to still be fixated on Priscilla and almost everything else is secondary. What I like is that she's quite aware that her goal can be a very long term one, so she can still function normally for the most part. It's rather nice that a creator seems to understand that even though a character has an overriding desire, it doesn't have to completely overwhelm said character.

What I liked about this anime is, it emphasizes brotherhood/sisterhood of war. Warrior creed such as "never leave a man behind" is resonating strongly here. Claire decision to go and rescue Jeanne's party alone despite her heartache of missing Raki is good example of this comradeship.
Ditto. I get the feeling that the fact that the Claymores are women plays into this. There seems to be no imperative for them show off their machismo by taking on their opponents one-on-one or by acting stoic no matter the circumstance.

[Echoes]

I'll have to add "strong, unique and enduring" to the list of Jeane's great characteristics.

[KiNA]

After watching the sub, I say I'm very satisfied with it very much .. Still, couldn't wait for the rumbles next week. Well, I hope they extend the fights against those ABs :p

@ W_knight ... :( Now my post lost its jokes ;-;
[evil mode]Goes edit my post[/evil mode]:heh:

[Anh_Minh]

Woops. I didn't mean to imply that she'd Awaken, just that Clare'd regard accepting Riful's help as preferable to Priscilla's continued existence.

Possibly. But would Riful accept an alliance with a non-Awakened Claymore? And even if she did, it'd be just a game of dupes. They'd be using each other, each waiting for a chance to double-cross the other.

[Drath]

How is Riful suddenly the good guy? In the previous episodes she had no trouble torturing Claymores. Okay she didn't do it just for kicks but when one of them awakened she had it killed because it wasn't powerful enough. Also tortured one to death. The only reason Clare and the others are alive because they were interesting. Also before she discovered Clare is more powerful than her yoki indicates, she said that Duff can have her. I'm pretty sure Riful knows what happens to Claymores when Duff gets them :). She might have tried to be a good girl in this episode but that also might have been a desperate act to get the claymores to surrender.

Duff is needed only because he is the only one who can sustain tough love when Riful gets wild :).

[stormy001_M1A2]

Riful is never a good guy in 1st place. She is a calculating, cunning and callous Dweller of the Deep/Abyssal.

[Cococokie]

Not bad for this episode.. 8.5/10! ^^

Jeane awakened form look awesome. like flower elf+butterfly wings.

[Anh_Minh]

Riful isn't the good guy. But to Clare, Priscilla is personal. Riful isn't.

[Defiled one]

How is Riful suddenly the good guy? In the previous episodes she had no trouble torturing Claymores. Okay she didn't do it just for kicks but when one of them awakened she had it killed because it wasn't powerful enough. Also tortured one to death. The only reason Clare and the others are alive because they were interesting. Also before she discovered Clare is more powerful than her yoki indicates, she said that Duff can have her. I'm pretty sure Riful knows what happens to Claymores when Duff gets them :). She might have tried to be a good girl in this episode but that also might have been a desperate act to get the claymores to surrender.

Duff is needed only because he is the only one who can sustain tough love when Riful gets wild :).


Riful only feels compassion to those she senses worthy of her own, meaning that she sees Jean, Galatea and Clare as her own kind, not Claymores. She`s isn´t a liar in her interests and tells them what she thinks or not. She´s honest but evil...:rolleyes:

She also appears to have realized the strange conection between Clare and Isley`s woman, Priscilla.

[HinaThePrince]

The only good thing about this episode was Riful's "Hey, I'm trying to share in those people's sentiments, you know!" line. The rest - animation, voice acting, pacing, directing - everything sucked so bad I wanted to bash my head repeatedly against the wall. It's been bothering me for the whole series - no emotion is put into it. It's as flat and monotonous as Galatea's voice. Jean's VA should really be shot. And what the hell is up with Awakened Riful's design? It's like a blob with eyes. Ew. 2/10.

[D a m i e n]

ever since Claire got a new arm the animation for fight has gotten weaker, just some blurry image to show that she is doing many attack.
a close up of a claymore getting ready to strike then a flash when the blow is being land in order to not have to animate the whole body of the claymore fighting.
static sparks all over Duff's body to show that they are attacking really really fast, so fast that they actually dont need to animate since it s going too fast for human eye to have any perception over it.

it all started with the final fight between awaken Ophelia and Claire...

too bad the show quality animation isnt as good as the one from the previous episodes.

[Defiled one]

If Teresa was alive. Epic battles would ensue. But she died...an unworthy dead...

[Fenrir_valindri]

If Teresa were still alive, it would still be blurry sword lines, striking super fast mode, and almost none of the opponents cept for the Abyssal Ones and Priscilla would be any challenge at all >.<

Teresa was too haxxors to let live :P the series probably would have gotten boring from the "Teresa Rox joo!" that would ensue in almost every fight :D

Its for the best she died sadly :upset:

[Defiled one]

She`s in my hall of fame. She had a normal death.


She was so powerfull and it just took one simple clean cut in the head to kill her. Man versus God style you know....

But Riful seems she can´t be decapitated.

[Scep]

Riful seems to be an AB who really cares about her underlings. She seemed genuinely sad when she said "Sorry. I wish i could let you enjoy this moment of victory, but, after all, he's my man" and that kind of stuff.

[Defiled one]

Yes..which is a bad thing cause know she has an eye for the three of them. They better be carefull otherwise they might turn in awakened.

[Squawks]

The only good thing about this episode was Riful's "Hey, I'm trying to share in those people's sentiments, you know!" line. The rest - animation, voice acting, pacing, directing - everything sucked so bad I wanted to bash my head repeatedly against the wall. It's been bothering me for the whole series - no emotion is put into it. It's as flat and monotonous as Galatea's voice. Jean's VA should really be shot. And what the hell is up with Awakened Riful's design? It's like a blob with eyes. Ew. 2/10.Jean had no emotion? Haha, she was having a hard time when she was Awakened. Weren't those emotions? This episode was top notch animation quality. These episodes are rare in Claymore, it's not like KyoAni is doing them. That line was the best thing in the episode? That line was the most amusing thing in the episode, nothing more. Riful's design is supposed to make her huge and terrifiying. No wonder it's something big and something that looks like it has no weak points.

Ah well, lolololol opinions eh?

[Goofus Maximus]

[QUOTE=guest;1060699]We, as human beings, should be ashamed. Those “monsters,” awaken beings and claymores, show greater compassion, loyalty, and honesty than average humans.

Riful, as one of the strongest awaken beings, cares for the one she loves and desires for compassion from her friends if she has some. She says torturing them is just to awaken them. She does not enjoy torture and only did it when it is necessary. She is honest. She says she has no intention to kill and she never did kill any of them even when it would have been so easy to her, considering they almost killed Duff.

/QUOTE]

I agree..shame on humans. What greater compassion than to eat another human's intestines, torture Claymores til' they awaken and play head games with Clare...just to know an Abyssal one's name.:p

Yup, Riful should be saint of the year.;)

Er... I don't agree. Riful was all encouragement to the previous claymore while she awakened, but then when she proved to be rather weak, Riful was all "too bad. Smash her, Duffy-dear". In the end, Riful doesn't have "compassion" per se, and all that talk is just... talk.

As for Riful having compassion for her underlings, she certainly didn't mind Duff squishing one who was in trouble, and she didn't mind how much pain or anguish Duff was in, when he dared interrupt her soliloquy. In fact, Duff's resistance to extreme damage and pain is part of what makes Riful's "accept me without breaking" line so chilling.

Riful is a cheerful sociopath, pure and simple. Like most sociopaths, she is quite charming, but never mistake that for being "good".

[Westlo]

It's as flat and monotonous as Galatea's voice. Jean's VA should really be shot.

I actually like how Claymore isn't full of high pitched voices but hey maybe I like hearing realistic voices for a change....

[MooMooFarm]

As long as only the speedy ones can use that animation then it's fine. And it has to be limited. If everyone can go blurry animation then it deters, but if it's only a few, then it adds to the episode. But they should give it more effort and detail.

Best speedy fight in anime I think would still be Rock Lee vs Gaara. That one had a hell lot of detail put into it.

=] Luffy vs Rob Lucci was pretty good too, but I think it's more of the music. As for a perfect example in speed increase that looks good and is more recent is Luffy vs Blueno. The way they showed Luffy go from equal and fast to owning cow man was pretty amazing.

[half_awake]

Riful is a cheerful sociopath, pure and simple. Like most sociopaths, she is quite charming, but never mistake that for being "good".

OMG you are dead on! She is a prototypical antisocial personality disorder - perfectly written. When it suits her/amuses her to do something which *happens* to seem compassionate, it makes her appear charming <-- a perfect choice of words. What is not apparent is that she could just as easily have crushed all of them - and the two actions would have internally seemed completely justified. The hallmark of an antisocial personality disorder - external rules don't apply to them; their internal 'morality' (or absence thereof) trumps all. And God forbid you go against that personal sense of right and wrong - then you frequently encounter a ruthless response.

There's no question that she seems fun, childlike, and honest...

... but it eventually becomes clear that she will cut you down if you cross her.

Regardless of her morality, she is a really really fun character! :heh:

[grss1982]

Just saw it and.....

WOW!!

I guess this arc is finished. Thus we go to the exciting parts. IIRC this anime will go all the way to 26 episodes. So theres roughly 9 more episodes to a very exciting arc.

hmmmm......

[HinaThePrince]

I actually like how Claymore isn't full of high pitched voices but hey maybe I like hearing realistic voices for a change....

I didn't say they should be high-pitched. I said they should fit the characters, which they don't.

Jean had no emotion? Haha, she was having a hard time when she was Awakened. Weren't those emotions?

They were supposed to be emotions, but sadly, Jean's VA seemingly forgot how to act.

This episode was top notch animation quality.

...If you say so. o.o All I know is that the characters stared into the air while talking into each other, their faces and bodies were distorted [and no, not on purpose] and the drawings were lacking in detail.

That line was the best thing in the episode?

For me, who wanted to commit suicide by repeatedly banging my head against a big, blunt object for nearly the entire episode, yes, it was. It was one of the few moments I actually enjoyed.

Riful's design is supposed to make her huge and terrifiying. No wonder it's something big and something that looks like it has no weak points.

It doesn't look terrifying. It looks like a blob made of clay. |:

Ah well, lolololol opinions eh?

lol rly

[half_awake]

And what the hell is up with Awakened Riful's design? It's like a blob with eyes. Ew. 2/10.

Well, OK, I have to admit they skimped on the Riful animation, no question. For those who have read the manga - this is no spoiler, it's just a difference in detail - you know that her facial features are visible and seem to be made up of the same ribboned layering that her body is made out of (at least she has contour to her face, like vertical grooves). In case you're interested (not a real spoiler, but I cloaked it just in case):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a0/Riful_%28yoma_form%29.PNG

And I do think the animation has suffered a little bit since the early episodes - the blurry flash with sword strikes on Dauf was a good example.

But I disagree with the voice acting. While this episode didn't include some of the truly great VA (e.g., Irene, Rubel, and Teresa), Riful's voice over is tremendous. It really captures both the childlike and the manipulative nature of her character.

But, to each their own...:cool:

[zato_1one]

The only good thing about this episode was Riful's "Hey, I'm trying to share in those people's sentiments, you know!" line. The rest - animation, voice acting, pacing, directing - everything sucked so bad I wanted to bash my head repeatedly against the wall. It's been bothering me for the whole series - no emotion is put into it. It's as flat and monotonous as Galatea's voice. Jean's VA should really be shot. And what the hell is up with Awakened Riful's design? It's like a blob with eyes. Ew. 2/10.
I don't know. But it seems that we've watched a completely different episode. IMHO.

The most disappoint thing to me in this episode was that it didn't have "that person" at the end of the episode. Ah! Don't tell me that I won't see "that" character in anime. :upset: But this is anime not manga, so I should bear with it.

This episode is in fact one of the best. IMO. The tension is high and very intriguing. The heartbeat sound when Riful awaken her arm could increase the tension dramatically.

The animation was also very good. At least their face was drawn properly now. :D I personally don't have any problem with the speed slash in fighting scene because it was exactly the same as I had imagined when I read manga.

In this episode, only Clare could do that because of Irene gift. Galatea's slash was bigger and looked more severe but it was slower than Clare. Clare's slash was like a jab attack. Faster but each slash was weaker. Too bad that their combine strength couldn't harm Duff. I might prefer Clare to fight with more motion like before but her sword shouldn't be called "flash" sword anymore. I thought she looked cool and her sonic boom attack was very good portrayed too. IMHO.

Jean awaken form was very beautiful. :)

Riful awaken form has less tentacle. But I really like it. She looked creepy and very evil. And her flash speed was very cool too. ;)

[TinyRedLeaf]

Not much more to add that hasn't already been pointed out. I am disappointed over the omissions of key scenes and important dialogue, but then that's my fault for having read the manga.

Objectively? This is probably about as good as the animation can get, given the crew working on the series. Whatever my personal reservations, I have to concede that if I were watching this for the first time, I would be enthralled by it.

(But why is everything always so dark? :confused:)

Butterfly Jeane, Riful's true Awakened Form, "teamwork saves the day", etc, are part of what makes both the anime and the manga very engaging by this point. Plus the insights on Jeane's morality and Galatea's pragmatism demonstrate that this isn't your typical shounen drama. It's quite a fair bit more "realistic" (well, as realistic as silver-eyed-girls-in-tights-swinging-giant-swords can get). :p

Things will get a lot grittier pretty soon. And so far, the episode line-ups are matching my predictions, so once again, I'm not so sure it would be a 26-episode series (but that would be a topic for the other thread.)

[Nightbat®]

Alot of people in this thread would be alot happier if they didn't follow the manga

Hell, the least it would do is make me thankfull not seeing a "...but in the manga" line again

I think it should be obvious after 17 eps you're not reading the manga

I'd rather have the ethics/morality debate concerning Yoma, humans and rabbits
than this broken record repeating through all the episode-threads

[Sinestra]

Must say a very good episode worthy of a 10 imo. Clare fought Valiantly as she always does and this time she didnt seem she fight desperately. Seeing Miss loli Riful in her true awakened form was freakin scary. Her cheerful and somewhat cute personality sometimes made me forget that shes truly a monster yet she kept her word and said she did not want to kill them. Her compassion surprised me as did her love for Duff i truly thought she was going to let him die. This gets me thinking about the personalites of the other dark dwellers.

Riful had a line that made me laugh. I think it was something like "your the only one that can endure me without breaking" now what does tha sound like you? LOL

Jeane special attack was pretty damn cool the problem I see is it takes too long to get it ready and it seems to be very hard on her the max routation being 21. When i saw it i kept think about the Giga driller move of Simons from Guren Lagann. Also, I kind of liked Jeane sense of honor by saying she owed Clare her life. I mean she was ready to take on Galatea when she again tried to take Clare back. Galatea is not one for failuer so going back empty handed seemd unreal.

From last scene it looks like Claymores are being attacked all over and have been getting owned at every turn. Just when i think i cant love this series anymore i watch the next epsiode and im proven

[Anh_Minh]

There's one thing I didn't like in the animation of the fight: Jeane's second drill.

In the manga, it looked like Clare jumped after her and used the Flash Sword to keep Duph's arms at bay. In the anime, it looks like the Flash Sword suddenly became a kamaitachi.

Other than that, well... I liked the voices, and I'm not that picky about animation.

[ArmisaelXVIII]

Another great episode *-* Interesting how they manage to get out alive of this.

For people saying weather Riful is good or evil. I think that it's just as Teresa said, no everything works so ideally in the real word (or something like that). Maybe Riful isn't a saint, but she isn't completely a devil that just enjoys being evil for no reason.

[Anh_Minh]

She's an Awakened Being. I don't think they have the ability to tell good from evil, at least as humans understand it.

[Lecrew]

Besides, at least Riful gave a hint to Clare where to find Isley and Prsicillia to get her revenge, so I guess I would called her neutral.

[witchking99]

To quote another user:

CLAYMORES!!! Tonight we dine in Hell!!

I guess that by now everyone knows that next Tuesday is the start of The North War arc.But has anyone notice it's also the release date of 300. :eyebrow::eyebrow:

Maybe more than just coincidence that the two stories of the Claymores series North War arc and 300 which have certain similarities are released the same day, Hmmm!!!

What do you think about this?

[half_awake]

wouldn't the movie be called '47'?

:)

[Lecrew]

lol that's so hilarious. I wonder how many single-digit claymores will be there?

[Xellos-_^]

To quote another user:

CLAYMORES!!! Tonight we dine in Hell!!



What do you think about this?

I think you need to edit that before the mods see it.

wouldn't the movie be called '47'?

:)

I would answer but that would be another ban.

[Defiled one]

NEVAH!!!!:mad:

I would just love to hear those:rolleyes:


Anyways Easly must be strong as HELL to tame Priscilla. I guess Priscilla ain`t got nothing agains´t these Dweelers of the deep....SERIOUSLY I HATE THE NAME! ;_;

[witchking99]

I think you need to edit that before the mods see it.



I would answer but that would be another ban.


Why would I need to edit the post.The phrase is not a spoiler or anything like that.And I was just quoting another user who use the phrase in an earlier episode thread.

[HinaThePrince]

But I disagree with the voice acting. While this episode didn't include some of the truly great VA (e.g., Irene, Rubel, and Teresa), Riful's voice over is tremendous. It really captures both the childlike and the manipulative nature of her character.

I agree, Riful's VA is epic. I was referring to Jean, Galatea, and at some parts of this episode, Clare~

[Fenrir_valindri]

tbh Dwellers of the Deep grates on my nerves alot, Dwellers of the Abyss would have atleast been acceptable to me, but it just seems like a very odd translation choice to me.

As for animation and VA and such, I believe the VA is quite well done most of the time, but the animation for expressions usually get butchered imo (since Teresa arc ended) and, as i sort of predicted, once Clare got the Flash-Sword, the fights became alot less well animated.

Riful's awakened form was done...mildy well, not where near as good as the manga (because you have to compare them if your a reader) I was just disappointed in them "darkening" everything and blotting out some of the finer detail.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Well....you get alliteration if you go with "Dwellers of the Deep". It sounds aesthetically more pleasing than "Dwellers of the Abyss". But of course, since we're discussing aesthetics, everyone is entitled to his opinion of what sounds good and what does not.

[cf18]

Riful is smart, and I think after Duff is beaten she don't have much choice but to either kill the Claymores or leave. If she make one of them awaken, there is no guarantee that the new AO will follow her. In fact she don't seem to have a successful example of a pre-tortured henchman. And if the new AO is hostile and strong enough that Riful alone cannot kill, then she just created a powerful enemy. She need Duff for more than "love" - he is loyal to her and has really powerful offensive and defensive capability, only a little short on the brain and re-generation.

I am a bit surprised by Galatea, being #3, get beaten by Duff in 1-on-1. Compare to her super long range yuki reading ability, she can't seem to use it in battle to dodge or reduce damage like Clare or Teresa.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I am a bit surprised by Galatea, being #3, get beaten by Duff in 1-on-1. Compare to her super long range yuki reading ability, she can't seem to use it in battle to dodge or reduce damage like Clare or Teresa.

One on one without any inputs from Riful, Galatea will stand a chance. I suspected that Riful presence alone increase the morale of Duph/Duff so he is more purposeful in his attacks.

[Shiroth]

Jean's so much love --- i always love the ones with pride, especially if they have a Drill.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Guren Lagaan vibes drilled deep into you, Shiroth? :D

[Seska]

Well....you get alliteration if you go with "Dwellers of the Deep". It sounds aesthetically more pleasing than "Dwellers of the Abyss". But of course, since we're discussing aesthetics, everyone is entitled to his opinion of what sounds good and what does not.

Why not using, Abyss Kings/Queen.. Sound better, and accurate

[ItachiGT]

Great episode!

BUt "Dwellers of the deep".....................ROFL!:heh::twitch::eyebrow:

Btw:

Epsiode 18 starts the "war of north"

Hm, how is the first season supossed to end.:confused:
The "speed" of the anime is really fast.

[Shiroth]

Guren Lagaan vibes drilled deep into you, Shiroth? :D
Remember, drills are a man's romance.

[Xellos-_^]

I am a bit surprised by Galatea, being #3, get beaten by Duff in 1-on-1. Compare to her super long range yuki reading ability, she can't seem to use it in battle to dodge or reduce damage like Clare or Teresa.

YOu also have to consider that Duaf is significantly stronger then the MA that Clare had face. Plus the fact that Galatea is even standing when the Clare and Jean made it back up is testimony to how powerful Galatea is and how powerful Duaf is and in comparison how powerful Riful is over all of them.

[TinyRedLeaf]

Hm, how is the first season supossed to end.
The "speed" of the anime is really fast.

There's a whole thread full of manga spoilers to answer that question. ;)


Why not using, Abyss Kings/Queen.. Sound better, and accurate.

But then you'd have the same problem that Eclipse's translator wanted to avoid, you're attempting to use "abyss" as an adjective rather than as a noun. To be more grammatically correct, what you'd want is "King of the Abyss" instead. That sounds...even sillier than than Dwellers of the Deep (lol, but that's my opinion, no offence intended).

[Defiled one]

Why not using, Abyss Kings/Queen.. Sound better, and accurate


Actually, a scary name is the best.

Like Abyssal Lords....You have to enhance the L when saying it for critical damage.

You are a villager and someone says that a Dweller of the Deep!! comes.. Does that scare you:rolleyes:

Now, if you said "The Abyssal Lord is coming!!!

You are, even if you don´t know what it is :eek:

[TinyRedLeaf]

Lol. Well then, I suggest you take up Mentar's challenge from the earlier episode thread - if you don't like the translation, go make your own fansub. ;)