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Pellissier
2007-07-31, 11:15
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Defiled one
2007-07-31, 11:33
Let me see if it aired....I´ll post the usual if it has.
witchking99
2007-07-31, 11:35
CLAYMORES!!! Prepare for GLORY!!
goukilord
2007-07-31, 11:35
it may not air ?
Patience young Padawan, Don't underestimate the Power of Hate.. (*aehm*). Be calm, be friendly. So you not Awaken... :)
ok. not so nice try...
Defiled one
2007-07-31, 11:41
It´s still airing
chibamonster
2007-07-31, 11:46
witchking, that's a good reference :)
toxic_trance
2007-07-31, 11:51
HOLY ****, We are finally at the Northern Campaign...the Awesomeness is here ^_^. Blood...I want Blood..lots n lots of Yoma blood :)
goukilord
2007-07-31, 11:54
lol i thought it may not air this week Oo
i almost awakned for real lol
Flora!!!!!!! Man, her voice is a little creepy I must say. And the pace of this episode is quite slow.
Defiled one
2007-07-31, 11:57
You said it brotha. At least it´s finished.
SatanicZero
2007-07-31, 11:58
i wonder if Raki will show up in this episode...been some time since i last saw him
Defiled one
2007-07-31, 12:07
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witchking99
2007-07-31, 12:12
Awwww!!!! Where is it? I'm going insane Ahh!! If it isn't posted soon I'll awaken right here.
Ah, nice to see Miria again... and the others... and of course new faces... Whats that? there are some Hulk Claymore ? :)
Defiled one
2007-07-31, 12:44
I think that`s a Claymore dude. But that`s just me....
witchking99
2007-07-31, 13:02
the claymore on steroids is Undine,the self proclaimed "Strongest of all Claymores". Anybody has an affinity for macho women? :twitch: Uhh! not me!!!
hollywoodlou
2007-07-31, 13:03
I've been waiting for the ep 18, northern campaign anime since day 1.
I want to see/hear Helen and her slack-jawed expressions animated in the northern campaign arc. They are freakin' priceless.
the claymore on steroids is Undine, anybody has an affinity for macho women? :twitch: Uhh! not me!!!
I know, hows the person... I just want to get an conversation starting.... :)
If you don't have things to start talking.. Begin with the weather.. then the rest comes from alone (it can works with Dates, too:))
Goofus Maximus
2007-07-31, 13:41
I await the eagerly... er... awaited... "sword-bashing of friendship" moment!
'Can't wait for this episode... I'm gonna awaken soon too lol ^^
Flora!!!!!!! Man, her voice is a little creepy I must say. And the pace of this episode is quite slow.
For real? I can't wait to watch it now. :) I wonder who is voicing her?
I hope its gonna get fan subbed soon
Blablabla
2007-07-31, 15:03
For real? I can't wait to watch it now. :) I wonder who is voicing her?
Mamiko Noto ? :p
(cos' 'she' looks a bit like Shimako in Marimite)
If Madhouse would bring an I-Net Video Stream Live Subbed in English for the Gaijins there in the World. Of course you must pay a fee, to be in this secured channel stream.... They will get rich for sure :)
(Man i hate to be patience, too :))
stormy001_M1A2
2007-07-31, 15:47
Flora looks great.
Voice actors:
Flora: Miyu Matsuki
Undine: Rie Ishizuka
Cynthia: Miho Miyagawa
seriously ... I don't know any of them :heh:
Negativedark
2007-07-31, 16:32
Flora... Iregardless of her Claymore Rank I rank her second in terms of beauty. As for Undine, well it would be unrealistic for all Claymores to be beautiful skinny women right? I mean her being muscular beats her bieng all fat. doesn't it?
But there's the question why does she look like that? Only because she uses 2 swords? Or does she use to swords because she looks like that? question questions :D
We can say that Undine is the polar opposite to Miss Claymore when it comes to aesthetics.
Wrex has already put up the screencaps. :eyespin:
http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=566
NoSanninWa
2007-07-31, 17:25
Looks like wrex is still writing the summary. It is incomplete. But all the pretty pictures give me a good idea where the episode ends so that I can properly prosecute spoilers.
Holy crap, it's looking pretty sweet! Can't wait! D:
Flora's voice just doesn't sound right to me. Sounds way too young.
I'm quite sad they left out one of the best scenes in the manga too. I'm sure all the manga readers can guess which one I'm talking about.
Cut dialogue also ruins Helen... =(
The voice of Flora was way too loli, sounds like a 10 year old girl, bad, bad, bad.:upset: Again , some of the key animators are on summer vacation probably, quality is a bit below par:heh::heh:
hollywoodlou
2007-07-31, 21:25
Flora's voice just doesn't sound right to me. Sounds way too young.
I'm quite sad they left out one of the best scenes in the manga too. I'm sure all the manga readers can guess which one I'm talking about.
Cut dialogue also ruins Helen... =(
They ruined Helen's facial expressions in the manga??? I wanted to see those!
Very close to manga, was allways.
But too fast, on Miria division of groups, missed the chance to show the faces and the respective name for each claymore. :(
The Fight was good, but the best come on next episode.
Give a 8. ;)
PS: Flora voice is a surprise. But I liked. :heh:
PS2: I like too the equal importance to Helen and Deneve.
PS3: No detailed drawings, but ok. ;)
ep 19 should be where all the awesomeness is.
still dling raw now. can't wait!
and i don't see what's wrong with her sounding loli... just my opinion though...
They ruined Helen's facial expressions in the manga??? I wanted to see those!
No mischievious Helen? :(
Flora as Hayate no Gotoku's Isumi >.< That pretty far in loli territory >.<
Fate_Archer
2007-07-31, 22:17
Ok, IMO, Flora's voice hasn't fitted well... like was said, it's just too young...
It never crossed my mind that Flora's voice would be close to that(totally on the contrary, I always had imagined a mature voice for Flora), and I think Flora's fans won't like very much either.
Also, the quality dropped a little again. I would love if all Claymore's episodes had a similar or better quality like on the episodes 13 and 14, but, unfortunately, for some reason (if the main animator is not in vacation, maybe they are saving the money for the grand finale) the quality has to drop down...
Plus
Oh man, Helen's face was the funniest scene in the manga. A pity that they haven't focused her face on that part.
Nevertheless, it was a good episode, I give it an 8 after all. :)
TwilightProxy
2007-07-31, 22:33
the episode wasn't too bad ^^. i wish they gave Flora a more mature voice at least.. it's not as painful as some voice actings i've heard, but it could be better.
I'm also a little disappointed with the video quality in this episode and Flora's voice. I was picturing a clear, mature voice and got something else. Undine's voice was ok though. Those of you who are interested in Undine should watch the next episode.
Episode 19 will be good but I figure that ep 20 is the one I am waiting for though :)
USCPharmacist
2007-07-31, 22:46
I have a bad feeling about this.....all these claymores mean most likely a lot of them will die :(, I really don't see how a campaign against one of the three Prime Evil...I meant Abyssal one will have no casualty, lol.
Let's see how many of them will survive, I am betting the hero's group might just pull off with some major injuries. So I predict Clare, Helen, Deneve, Jean, and Miria live, and the rest will all die :(
stormy001_M1A2
2007-07-31, 22:47
Well if they do die, they go down fighting. Surely they prefer it that way.
SilverEyedLionKing
2007-07-31, 23:49
I must say that I didn't expect Flora to sound almost like a loli. Felt like a miscast for me.
This episode will create ALOT of comparisons to the manga again, even though this is so unfair to the anime ^_^;
Minus: They've been removing the humorous parts (especially most of Helen's antics and her "funny faces")... I really regret this, though I guess I can understand that they didn't want to break the dark mood.
Plus: Again, lots of minor inconsistencies removed (e.g. Miria greeting the rest of the Fab Four while assuming command in front of your troops - you don't do that). The animation also helped deciphering some battle scenes which had unclear panels in the manga.
As usual, good setup episode. 8 from me.
Oh, and even though Flora's voice was a bit of a surprise, I got used to her quickly, and I don't consider it inappropriate at all. Rather interesting. The comparison to slurry-slowly-speaking Isumi from Hayate no Gotoku is a bit unfair. She's speaking concisely and quickly-aware here ;)
But Flora is #8, second in command. I expect a stronger, more mature, leader type voice. Especially no other claymore has such a high pitch voice, when Flora opens her mouth.........sounds weird. Miss Second in Command:heh::heh::heh::confused::confused:
Flora sounds more like a computer or android voice to me.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-01, 01:42
Flora sounds fine to me, even the famous General Patton have a squeaky voice despite his blood curdling speeches.
So did not mean if you a killer or commander, you have to sound like one.
Well, I guess if you can think that way then it's ok to you even when Riful sounds like Rubel :D.
USCPharmacist
2007-08-01, 02:06
Well, I guess if you can think that way then it's ok to you even when Riful sounds like Rubel :D.
That would be cool too...in a way hehehe
khryoleoz
2007-08-01, 02:21
Yeah, it's regrettable that Helen's precious reactions were taken out. This goes against all moral standards I can come up with! :p
Flora's VA sounds like Miyuki Sawashiro. Did anybody catch the credits?
toxic_trance
2007-08-01, 02:22
Hmm..must say a bit dissappointing. Helen's humor was definitely not shown half as well in the manga. The other major point they lost out i felt was the Windcutter move of Flora. Simply lacked the impact. The scene could have been better. Two things i was really lookin forward to, and two things that MADHOUSE dissappointed me on.
As for Flora's VA..i think i really like it..but she doesnt look as beautiful as in the manga. She still has the bit of a scary look whereas she looks like a real doll in the manga. The first 7 for this series from me mainly because of the above shortcomings :(
OMG that shyt was flipping AWESOME
revive4563
2007-08-01, 03:23
Well...unfortunately, many part of CLAYMORE is Korean subcontract work.... see end roll... I have no idea why they did the stupid decision like this... though I don't think they had budget problems.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-01, 03:45
Errr......subcontracting to Koreans or Chinese animators is measure of cost cutting and budget. It is not stupid decision since they in the business to make money. Having a Japanese animators did not guarantee better quality.
Deathkillz
2007-08-01, 03:51
wow...the start of another epix fight :D
and now we have the 5 musketeers :heh: though i agree that flora has a voice too young for her image other than that i liked this ep :3
I've just watched the RAW ep.
had to say, Flora's voice was rather annoying/irritating..didnt suit how her character looked like, it was more like a 8 year olds voice.
As for Undine i thought it MAYBE would've been much better if they had a male VA to voice as a female character, only if the VA can do a female voice with a man tone.
I wont be rating this episode yet, since i didnt understand much from the RAW, I'll vote once i get the subbed version.
Defiled one
2007-08-01, 07:15
Well about Flora, I couldn´t stop laughing cause she reminded me about that Pirate from the Caribbean where he has another one to talk for him cause he has this little voice..:heh:
Although i cannot describe the sheer awesomeness of the fights in this episode.:bow: :bow: Fear Isley Army
witchking99
2007-08-01, 07:38
Well, next week will be very, very interesting, not because the fight continues.But because of something else, HAHA!!!. :D:D:D
Well, next week will be very, very interesting, not because the fight continues .But AND because of something else, HAHA!!!. :D:D:D
FIXED.
:D
witchking99
2007-08-01, 08:14
FIXED.
:D
Why you fixed it, I know the fighting is very important, but this "something else" I believe will blow everyone's minds off. :eyespin::eyespin::eyespin:
Goofus Maximus
2007-08-01, 08:49
This was not a good manga-lover's episode. They butchered Helen's best dialog, totally nerfing her into a minor character, and I waited till this episode to be sure, but they totally left out Riful's sensing of Raphaela's presence observing the fight.
Well, next week will be very, very interesting, not because the fight continues.But because of something else, HAHA!!!. :D:D:D
Don't cross the Line :)
Some joking:
Undine is a Man, that is cross dressing like a Claymore? :)
revive4563
2007-08-01, 09:18
Errr......subcontracting to Koreans or Chinese animators is measure of cost cutting and budget. It is not stupid decision since they in the business to make money. Having a Japanese animators did not guarantee better quality.
Errrrrrrrrr................I'm not telling the story of a foolish racial debate or something.
I just meant, at least, Korean Animation director is actually unskilled....
Compare DEVIL MAY CRY with CLAYMORE. Both of them are MADHOUSE's work.
If you have an eyes, you might notice to plain difference of them, even if the screen of CLAYMORE is toooooooooo dark. :heh:
btw, i really love CLAYMORE. peace.
witchking99
2007-08-01, 09:47
Don't cross the Line :)
Some joking:
Undine is a Man, that is cross dressing like a Claymore? :)
As hilarious that would be, if it were true, fortunately no.If you want to know Seska just PM me. ;););)
zato_1one
2007-08-01, 09:56
One thing which really pissed me was that it repeated the scene from the end of previous episode. I'm curious why the producer decided to drop "that" scene. Repeating and extending this same scene again was a bad decision. IMO. Because the tension was already lost to previous episode. :frustrated:
I agree that Flora's voice was too young. She should lengthen her vocal chords a little. :heh:
One thing which really pissed me was that it repeated the scene from the end of previous episode. I'm curious why the producer decided to drop "that" scene. Repeating and extending this same scene again was a bad decision. IMO. Because the tension was already lost to previous episode. :frustrated:
I agree that Flora's voice was too young. She should lengthen her vocal chords a little. :heh:
The only seiyuu which crosses my mind that would have made for a satisfying voice to Flora that would be Yoshiko Sakakibara (The voice of Sir Integra Wingates Hellsing from the Hellsing anime).
That's the only choice that appears in my mind, that I could ever thought of.
I notice certain individual keeps voting 1 or 2 out of 10. If he finds many episodes so bad, so painful, then why he keeps watching????:confused::confused:
Although on some occasions the animation or VA is not top note, overall I(and many others) find the anime is very good quality and enjoyable. I suppose that's why Claymore is popular.:D
I agree that Flora's voice was too young. She should lengthen her vocal chords a little. :heh:
Perhaps, turn into a Claymore change the Body, and the voice pitch?
:)
zato_1one
2007-08-01, 10:46
I notice certain individual keeps voting 1 or 2 out of 10. If he finds many episodes so bad, so painful, then why he keeps watching????:confused::confused:
Although on some occasions the animation or VA is not top note, overall I(and many others) find the anime is very good quality and enjoyable. I suppose that's why Claymore is popular.:D
Yep. I totally agree. Claymore is popular because of its brilliant story and plot device. It's never fail to surprise me. :cool: And it also contains many cool and attractive character. The monster design is unique and beyond awesome too. It doesn't have filler and ridiculous fanservice. No silly power up and no need for heroic deed. Just live with sword and die with sword. Everything has a price to pay. It's reasonable in its own way. That's why I really love this series so much. :D
Just my honest opinion. ;)
Teresa/Clare1415
2007-08-01, 11:27
I liked this one, but they should of focused more on those silly Helen expressions she showed in the manga.
ItachiGT
2007-08-01, 11:29
SOrry only 9/10 because of the voice of Flora.........
Just laughed, when i heard Flora. I mean wtf? It doesn't fit at all.
But overall a great epsiode again.
I love the pace of this anime:D.
But at this rate we will have only 23/24 episodes or we have a bad cliffhanger-ending:heh:.
Flora's voice will have many enemies I guess. It was really not what I expected, but I didn't think it was a complete miss-fit either ... simply really different from what I expected (was more like Mamiko Noto in my head).
Undine sounds good though :heh:
As always I prefer the manga over the anime, but that's just me. The anime really lacks impact, f.ex. Flora's windcutter scene ... she should have done it right away when Undine and the others where actually still talking instead of first showing Miria walking down the stairs. Kinda took away the "wow" effect of her attack. But well, that's my personal impression.
I also missed Helen's faces, it made her so much more likeable, but maybe didn't fit the dark mood.
Deathkillz
2007-08-01, 12:28
with flora's cute "baby face" look i guess they tried a bit too hard to find a fitting voice :heh:
and the duel wielding claymore...zomg she must be on steroids @_@
I didn't expect this coming from Flora's voice. I mean, she looks confident and stronger, but come on, her voice is a bit too young for her.
At any rate, Udine is kinda... well I don't know...makes me remind Lloyd from Tales of Symphonia using two swords and the same personality. I find it funny for some reason. :heh:
IMSabbel
2007-08-01, 14:14
Errrrrrrrrr................I'm not telling the story of a foolish racial debate or something.
I just meant, at least, Korean Animation director is actually unskilled....
Compare DEVIL MAY CRY with CLAYMORE. Both of them are MADHOUSE's work.
If you have an eyes, you might notice to plain difference of them, even if the screen of CLAYMORE is toooooooooo dark. :heh:
btw, i really love CLAYMORE. peace.
Maybe you should concentrate less on stereotypes and more simply on the fact that a cheaper series looks cheaper.
You can be perfetly sure that spending the same money the episode cost in japan would have made a much worse impression (or people would outsource from there...)
Strawberry Panic, Black Lagoon, Chobits, DMC, Claymore are all created by Madhouse and they always do an excellent work when it comes to storylines and the animation similiar as those creators from manga.
Flora20709
2007-08-01, 14:25
Well I Have Finally Saw My Flora In Animation and Action{lil bit} And I think Her voice matchs her personality and looks
FlareKnight
2007-08-01, 14:59
Have to admit while not reading the manga I had a different imagination of Flora when I first saw her. You see this character and when they start speaking all I can think is "what the heck?". Probably something I'll get used to but at that moment it seemed weird.
Nice to see the others back again after Clare's little adventure. Next episode should be great now that things are going. Poor Jean though she keeps getting into these crappy groups that get annihilated in a few moments. At least she's finally got some pretty good allies with Clare and the rest that should hold up. Seems she's got another opponent that's perfect for her ability.
As always nice with Eclipse getting the episode subbed so quickly.
I would really want to see Clare helping out with Flora as her Teammate. Flora will soon notice that she's powerful regardless for being the last rank number and the arm which belongs to Irene, but Clare will not tell her who belongs to, because if I remembered correctly, the part where Miria asked a question to Clare that her arm is different and who belongs was ... she did not want to mention the person's name, so it remains unknown to Miria and the rest of the army of Claymore.
Clare don't give much into Rankings, as long she can slash/kills AB... Jean is on the same wave
Yeah, she does not want to be with the organization anymore, but she was yet forced to go to the war by this guy (I don't remember his name :/).
Yeah, she does not want to be with the organization anymore, but she was yet forced to go to the war by this guy (I don't remember his name :/).
Well, i call him Rubel...
chibamonster
2007-08-01, 15:51
I am so excited for the next few weeks. I mean really excited.
I agree that Flora's voice wasn't what I expected. Although I really liked the AB's voices. The first one to transform was ok, but the other two were way more awesome sounding than I had imagined. Claymore is awesome.
blackmarks
2007-08-01, 15:55
lol at those who think Flora's voice is too loli -- having a high-pitched voice, whether loud or quiet, is not loli. for reference, Riful has a loli voice because she is loli. methinks some people need to meet more women in IRL. if anything, Flora's voice made me think of Mike Tyson: unexpectedly light comical voice from someone who has fearsome fighting skills.
i haven't seen the subs yet but i too was hoping for more wisecracking and funny expressions from Helen, at the sorting and in the cave. ah well. for being Part I for the next story arc, i thought the pacing was pretty good.
Anh_Minh
2007-08-01, 15:57
Well, I agree with what's already been said:
- Flora's voice is way too loli.
- We were totally shortchanged in the Helen antics department. No "There's always someone who has to act retarded" or "Ophelia? An Abyssal One? How did you survive?".
- Flora's intervention was ill timed, compared to the manga. Since only Deneve and Undine were acting up, there was no call for her to threaten everyone. They should have let the situation degenerate into classroom din. They even took away the part where Jean was about to comment on something (probably along the lines of "your Flashsword is actually faster"), gets called out, and apologizes. I know I'm nitpicking, but I was looking forward to that scene.
I also didn't like the fact they gave no reason for Raki going North like that. Did he mean to search the world from the top down or something? he was just taken by slavers, and, like all boys, sent north, who's apparently always in demand.
All in all, of all the scenes I was looking forward to, they did only two: the meeting between Clare, Jean, Helen and Deneve, and the Avengers Assem... Er, Miria calling her teams to face the three Awakened Beings. And I found the latter kinda lacking. Maybe a better music would have made it as impressive as it should have been?
Also, it kinda bugs me... The Claymores came from 20+ distant territories. How come they all arrived at roughly the same time?
Also, it kinda bugs me... The Claymores came from 20+ distant territories. How come they all arrived at roughly the same time?
They hired an German for the Logistics :) (*Joke*)
They probably didn't arrive at the same time, the anime just skipped that boring part.
TBH I'm it gets rather annoying people comparing the anime to the manga, be content -.-' it even got made into an animation. :mad: If you can do better, you try animating, adding sound sfx and that.
First this post now, is for all, not for the person i am quoting...
Okay, call me now an Old Gezzer, but...
We don't know. if the Scenes that was in the Manga and left out in the Anime, they could use this in a Flashback scene, in a future episode. What was often done in other Series...
We don't have the warranty that this will happen... ( I hope this is not over the Line. We only saw #3 and down so far. What will happen with the upper numbers?)*enough of hardline driving*
So please, stop writing "in the Manga there was that and there, in the Anime they left if out" and so on...
There is the Magic/Mahou of Flashbacks, always in Animes...for to fresh up the Viewers Minds.... How they call this technic "recaps episode?"
With no mean, to it....
Jerseykid
2007-08-01, 16:11
such a good episode.
Gavrielo
2007-08-01, 16:16
They probably didn't arrive at the same time, the anime just skipped that boring part.
TBH I'm it gets rather annoying people comparing the anime to the manga, be content -.-' it even got made into an animation. :mad: If you can do better, you try animating, adding sound sfx and that.
Defiled one
2007-08-01, 16:27
Well the dvd extras might have it. i mean, it did fixed the other 5 episodes. You just have to wait...or know japanese.
for all the anime only viewers, whats the helen funny faces the manga readers keep taling about?
for all the anime only viewers, whats the helen funny faces the manga readers keep taling about?
Sorry, if i misunderstand it. But is this an catch ask? :)
if we (The Manga Wisdom users) answer, it will be spoiling...
p.s. Me? I am same Addict like all you here. I just against Spoilers, thats all. Oh and the rest of course, thats in my Signatur...
No hard feelings for some person... :) *Peace*
Firstblood
2007-08-01, 16:34
Oh jeez, whats with Flora's voice >.< that is very disappointing, :eyebrow: it isn't way to off tho, but yes it does sound like a 10 or 9 year old VA
what's wrong with comparing the original work to the anime? It's normal and will always happen if some book or comic gets turned into a movie etc.
People who loved the manga of course will be disappointed if the anime doesn't live up to their expectations and you can't simply be happy with what you get :)
If you like the anime as it is, that's great for you and I'm even envious. I would have loved to like it more.
Seska: I don't think anybody "spoiled" something from the manga that was left out in the anime which could possible be added in some flashback - or at least with spoiler tags, which should be fine.
And honestly, what has been left out this time will for sure not be added in a flashback, doesn't work :confused:
Nico: like Seska said, you will just have to read the manga. Anyway this is something you have to "see" and can't be explained ^^
Okay, sometimes i went overboard. But there is really no mean to it... I just don't want the Anime only viewer get their curiosity crushed. Thats all...
and again. there is really no mean to it..
In german (My Brain rejects to translate it):
Mit den Fetzen Manga wissen, was die anderen so einstreuen. "Aber im Manga war diese Szene total anders, usw"
Verführen wir ja grad die leute, die nur den Anime sehen wollen und Spoilers umgehen, dazu Spoilers zu lesen damit
sie rausfinden was derjenige meint...
Sowas wie Zuckerbrot und Peitsche...
Wissen ist macht, nicht wissen ist glücklicher...
I don't mind comparing to manga and anime from Claymore as long as it covers almost everything.
I don't know if it's appropiate to post this for those who read the manga related to the first sentence, but
From looks of it, it's even close to 95%.
Didn't really like Flora's voice, sounded too young. Undine's voice seemed fine to me. Shame they left out bits of the conversation and especially Helen's reactions. Pace was ok, and I liked this episode overall. Plenty more action to come next week, although I have a feeling they'll stretch it out a bit.
Souten no Seigyoku
2007-08-01, 16:56
Miria's pretty slick. She didnt recreate her old team. Instead she put 1 in each team. This way the organization doesnt get too suspicious and she has eyes and ears in every team. True, i wanted to see a reunion, but this is better strategy-wise.
Miria's plan was a good idea to make a strategy. One team needs defensive and the other team needs to be offensive type or either way 1 group will be all mixed up for offensive and defensive type to defeat an awakening easily.
Anh_Minh
2007-08-01, 17:02
I think it's to optimize the chances of each team to make it through. she knows the fab fours are stronger than they appear, and can be relied upon against an Awakened.
That, or she just went by the numbers: the strongest leaders got the weakest members, to keep the team balanced.
Clare don't give much into Rankings
It is a bit odd that they just default to the highest rank to take command, when they are ranked by combat skill, not leadership skill. This group is lucky to have Miria as their commander. Imagine Ophelia is alive and leading this group... But then Ilena was leading the group against Teresa even she was not the highest rank. The organization probably select their best officer type to lead half of their total force, to help them survive longer.
Speaking of Ophelia, what happens to the #4 position?
Clare may become a good combat leader. Her strong yuki observation skill help lead Jean to defeat Duff. She still need more experience and more confidence to bark out orders.
Anh_Minh
2007-08-01, 17:13
Technically, I think if Priscilla had pulled rank, Irene would have had to obey or face insubordination charges. (Which may very possibly mean a claymore to the face.)
Priscilla just had a deferential personality.
Nico: like Seska said, you will just have to read the manga. Anyway this is something you have to "see" and can't be explained ^^
well i was kinda hoping someone would post up the page :P
but anyway what manga chapter is it?
Mandrake
2007-08-01, 17:26
Miria's pretty slick. She didnt recreate her old team. Instead she put 1 in each team. This way the organization doesnt get too suspicious and she has eyes and ears in every team. True, i wanted to see a reunion, but this is better strategy-wise.
Hmm, that IS slick...considering she knew of the old teams potential after their...hazerdous mission. Never looked at it that way.
I just thought of one thing when I was watching. Priscilla is slightly weaker than that number one awakening guy, who is equally strong as the other two, Riful and what's-her-name. Priscilla is stronger than Teresa, a number one. Does that mean all those three are exceptionally good, even among number one of all generations? So number one who are really good all end up awakening while otehrs die for whatever reason?
Kinematics
2007-08-01, 17:48
Well the dvd extras might have it. i mean, it did fixed the other 5 episodes.
Can you point me to where any discussion about the DVD release is taking place? Doesn't seem relevant to any of the existing active threads. Would like to know what you're talking about there.
FlareKnight
2007-08-01, 17:50
Yeah I think Miria had a good plan in place for spreading people out. After all they all have experience and she knows what they can do so getting them in various groups will improve each groups chances. But also you do have the good points of not causing too much attention to be brought on them if she puts the 4 of them together. Just too bad Jean didn't luck out with her group selection.
Should be fun to see how the fight goes next week. Seems like Jean's opponent is perfectly suited to her pulling that move again. Will of course need to rely on Helen and the team she's in to cover for her while she gets it ready to fire. Miria's team will be in tough taking that guy while all the other groups are now going to be occupied. But seems she'll be able to take care of it somehow. Curious how the casualties will turn out after this round is said and done.
Plus as we've seen this is pretty much a suicide mission. Sure they can probably handle this but there are a lot more AO and Easley out there that they won't be able to handle after enough fights.
I always felt on the Teresa and Priscilla thing it came down to the ability to fight while supressing yoki. If Priscilla developed enough she'd be too strong at that stage for Teresa to beat. Besides like Irene said Teresa's skills were dulling while travelling with Clare, if she kept that up it'd only be a matter of time before Priscilla won in a fight. Felt personally that Teresa could win against the awakened Priscilla if she went to the max since her ability to read the attack would be open again and if she could just keep up she could win. Of course I could just be misjudging the situation.
About Easley. Maybe B-day meant that he's much stronger than Priscilla rather than the slightly stronger that you said guest.
Seeing this new enemies reminds me of Guyver all over --- this isn't the first time this has happened with this series, and i like it a lot. Of course, its no shock that i'd see little connections like this --- Shounen. <3
I truly love where this arc is going. It'll be a good chance for everyone to see just what Clare can do, and it'll be one hell of a surprise to a lot of the Claymore's present, considering her number.
Jean was the high-light of the episode for me. Since the start of the series i've been waiting for a character with high pride to appear, and Jeane fits that role perfectly. Its also good to see that she's somewhat of a main character at the moment.
Goofus Maximus
2007-08-01, 18:07
Okay, sometimes i went overboard. But there is really no mean to it... I just don't want the Anime only viewer get their curiosity crushed. Thats all...
and again. there is really no mean to it..
In german (My Brain rejects to translate it):
Mit den Fetzen Manga wissen, was die anderen so einstreuen. "Aber im Manga war diese Szene total anders, usw"
Verführen wir ja grad die leute, die nur den Anime sehen wollen und Spoilers umgehen, dazu Spoilers zu lesen damit
sie rausfinden was derjenige meint...
Sowas wie Zuckerbrot und Peitsche...
Wissen ist macht, nicht wissen ist glücklicher...
Not to worry, Seska! None of us are imagining you sitting in front of the glow of your computer screen, reflected light blazing from your spectacles, cackling madly while you eliminate posts with manic glee! :D
Anh_Minh
2007-08-01, 18:07
Awakened Ones and Claymores aren't exactly on the same power scale anyway.
is it safe to assume clares nearly mastered irene's tecnique and intergrated the arm fully. she was able to shock the male AB who could directly control yoki.
floras voice was sooo......
Miria's pretty slick. She didnt recreate her old team. Instead she put 1 in each team. This way the organization doesnt get too suspicious and she has eyes and ears in every team. True, i wanted to see a reunion, but this is better strategy-wise.
A hint that there's a possible mole :eyespin:
Flora's voice reminds me of....... Mike Tyson!
mashimaro_boy
2007-08-01, 19:06
Awesome episode!
Sigh only 8 more episodes left :(
Panzerklein
2007-08-01, 19:11
Not Perfect at all, Helen is not funny like manga :( .
Flora's voice reminds me of....... Mike Tyson!
Beauty and the Beast:D
This episode was awesome !
Flora's voice was kind of... nice too ! ^^
I really liked the meeting between the old squad's members who defeated the Awakened Male; Miria, Clare, Deneve and Helen... When they asked for Clare's right arm's provenance, it felt like old friends, glad to show their new legs, arms, hands they received, after a long time they didn't see each others...
After all, this is a Claymore's passion: collecting limbs from several persons :D
Mr Hat and Clogs
2007-08-01, 19:29
The episode was good, some decent set up action and all, can't wait for the next one. But they left out the funnies, poor Helen didn't get her five minutes of fame. Flora's voice is kinda odd, guess they were trying to get the soft-spoken type leader thing going, audio quality wasn't to crash for me though.
Hmm, I will need to go check, I can't at the moment, but the very last scene of the preview was that used in the last ep's preview to? If not, and that is in the next ep then... wow, next ep must be watched in fast forward to get all the info in before the... yeah...
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-01, 20:18
Errrrrrrrrr................I'm not telling the story of a foolish racial debate or something.
I just meant, at least, Korean Animation director is actually unskilled....
Compare DEVIL MAY CRY with CLAYMORE. Both of them are MADHOUSE's work.
If you have an eyes, you might notice to plain difference of them, even if the screen of CLAYMORE is toooooooooo dark. :heh:
btw, i really love CLAYMORE. peace.
Well, it is clear to bean counters in the studio that Devil May Cry is more commercially viable than Claymore hence the assignment of best animators to work on 1st title. It is perfect business sense to me. It is true, Devil May Cry looks great compared to Claymore.
Anyway, the episode is great setup and action so far pretty good considering limitations of budget. I also understood why they omitted certain parts like catfights between Claymore operators in front of Miria/Millia that prompted the Windcutter slash from Flora or Helen's slapstick facial expression, it is to keep the impression that Claymore operators are calm, disciplined, highly trained, resolute and elan warriors, fitting their reputation as silver eyed witches legend.
Also friendly greeting of certain team members in front of the entire group will be seen as favouritism and I glad it is omitted out too. As for Flora's voice, well I was also expected she sound like cross between Ilena/Irene and Galatea but it did not bother me too much. As I said before, did not mean you look like badass you have to sound like one too.
This anime impressed me that they do not just copy and paste from manga, they actually trying to improve the mood of the story constantly. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. For this episode, they did it well.
I like it when Clare really starts to show that she has unlimited potential. She has learned and mastered several skills from others and managed to master most of them. I would say she is even better than some of her teachers, for example, Galatea's yoki controlling trick. I think she is the one who pull back Jean, a fully awaken being. I don't think even Galatea could do that. She did pull back Clare but she wasn't fully awaken and it seems that her right arm was going to be awaken but her whole body. Besides, it is clear from her attacks to Duff that she can only manipulate yoki to a small extent. But by pulling back a high-ranked warrior like Jean from her full awaken form, that is just fantastic and may show how strong her yoki actually is.
In this ep, she also spots that male awaken being's trick right on and saves her comrades from that. She is getting better and I just hope that she can get to be as strong as those three awaken beings so she won't get killed. :( Clare is very stubburn. She has made up her mind on taking revenge on Priscilla and she will do it even if that means killing herself along with it. :upset:
I like it when Clare really starts to show that she has unlimited potential. She has learned and mastered several skills from others and managed to master most of them. I would say she is even better than some of her teachers, for example, Galatea's yoki controlling trick. I think she is the one who pull back Jean, a fully awaken being. I don't think even Galatea could do that. She did pull back Clare but she wasn't fully awaken and it seems that her right arm was going to be awaken but her whole body. Besides, it is clear from her attacks to Duff that she can only manipulate yoki to a small extent. But by pulling back a high-ranked warrior like Jean from her full awaken form, that is just fantastic and may show how strong her yoki actually is.
In this ep, she also spots that male awaken being's trick right on and saves her comrades from that. She is getting better and I just hope that she can get to be as strong as those three awaken beings so she won't get killed. :( Clare is very stubburn. She has made up her mind on taking revenge on Priscilla and she will do it even if that means killing herself along with it. :upset:
I don't think Clare is that good yet and you're giving her a bit too much credit. Galatea still is better than her at Yoki control and manipulation. Her Quicksword is still not close to Irene's either. It's just Clare's previous experiences gives her a different perspective, especially in Galatea's case.
She does have more combat experience now and will only get more power-ups along the way.
Flora20709
2007-08-01, 20:29
Well I Just Watched The Ep In Subs And again i say Flora`s Voice Matches Her Good Looks and Personalty. Also I Love The Way Deneve and Jean Get Along after apologizing :o :heh:
Bikerider
2007-08-01, 21:29
They cut some interesting dialogue from the manga for this ep. I was looking forward to seeing those lines and facial reactions in the anme. Oh fuss and bother.
Flora20709
2007-08-01, 21:33
They cut some interesting dialogue from the manga for this ep. I was looking forward to seeing those lines and facial reactions in the anme. Oh fuss and bother.
Well Yea Helen's Part :mad:
kitsune383
2007-08-01, 22:27
this ep was pretty good despite the fact that they left out some funny Helen moments from the manga...anyhow, next ep looks good....can't wait!:p
Question to anime viewers.. How do you think the series will end? We have 3 AB + Priscilla .. then we have the Org, who seems to be set up as an evil boss as well (from Clare's group POV) .. we still haven''t found Raki.. from the 3 ABs, 1 couldnt even be scratched by our main char, and we nearly end our series.. we meeting the 2nd one, going by the progression, I dont think even Clare could defeat Isley yet.. let alone Isley is said to have Priscilla by his side.. we havent even get to know the 3rd AB name yet. So how will this series end in your opinion?
We manga readers do have our estimation.. but I'm curious what you guys think..
Also, naughty question .. who will win between Clare's technique and Flora's? It seems that both are very fast with their swords :p
Manga readers.. :eyebrow: Not a single word! :p
Oh btw, going by Riful reaction after no. 30 awaken before, it seems that once awaken, your power progression seems to stop.. thats why she killed her and want only high ranking #s :p .. So Priscilla progression probably stopped at whatever point she was as Claymore.. her powers double, but I doubt she getting more progression.
Good ep.
More hints on how "special" Rafaela is from Rubel. She's probably more powerful than Galatea and maybe even a contender for #1 but what's holding her back? Why is she staying as #5 and what's with the scar over her left eye? With only 8 eps to go I'm not sure we'll get to find out. :(
It was nice to see Miria and co again but too bad the org. has thrown them into another suicide mission. :heh:
Having no preconceived ideas from reading the manga I found Flora's voice to be quite decent. :)
Claymores have been dropping out like flies recently and I'm expecting more casualties next ep, the org. must have a lot of Claymores-in-waiting to be able to afford to sacrifice more than half of them just on this battle.
Episode 19 should be awsome, looking forward to it.
whitepearl
2007-08-01, 22:57
I thought the episode was good but could have been better if they included some lines and other bits from the manga.
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Helen's antic from the manga that was removed in the anime ;-;
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I waited for so long to have the last apologizing face Helen in the anime :(
I leave 1 page where te panel is so small and her face expression is nearly identical to the other panels already..
Lawton_Anime
2007-08-01, 23:23
CLAYMORES!!! Prepare for GLORY!!
that was wonderful >:D
Okay, sometimes i went overboard. But there is really no mean to it... I just don't want the Anime only viewer get their curiosity crushed. Thats all...
and again. there is really no mean to it..
In german (My Brain rejects to translate it):
Mit den Fetzen Manga wissen, was die anderen so einstreuen. "Aber im Manga war diese Szene total anders, usw"
Verführen wir ja grad die leute, die nur den Anime sehen wollen und Spoilers umgehen, dazu Spoilers zu lesen damit
sie rausfinden was derjenige meint...
Sowas wie Zuckerbrot und Peitsche...
Wissen ist macht, nicht wissen ist glücklicher...
With the scraps of manga info others keeps shuffling in, "but in the manga that scene was all different, etc" we bait those that only want to see the anime and try to avoid spoilers to find out what he or she meant with that.
Kind of like offering a treat, then use a whip to keep them away from it.
Knowing is power, not knowing is bliss...
close enough anyways... can't translate word for word. Sometimes even if the translation is easy, it is not meant in the same context... damn german language lol.
Diä kämpfä sichr guet gägä di trü aber we diä gruppä chunnt wo mer am afang hei gseh wirt d'höll sichr heiss gmacht.
he he your turn Seska
Ashlotte
2007-08-01, 23:34
Well I stopped hanging around here about the time everyone was throwing out manga spoilers and complaints where rampant about this and that change from the manga source...Seems like not much has changed. :heh:
And this is why I don't read the manga before or even while I watch the anime...For me the episode was extremely nice as a setup one and I cant really see any flaws in it whatsoever. Heres hoping to them keeping the fast pace action and great atmosphere that the show has been delivering lately. ;)
Helen's antic from the manga that was removed in the anime ;-;
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I waited for so long to have the last apolizing face Helen in the anime :(
Don't forget the scene with Clare and Helen. I was so looking forward to it but they cut that entire sequence very short.
GundamZZ
2007-08-01, 23:50
1. I feel sorry for Eva. No one seems to feel sorry for her: other warriors and audience.
2. It's great there are a lot of feedback about Flora. She surely catches a lot of spotlight. Her voice fits her character well. It's a typical Yamato Nadeshiko voice.
3. Jean is a stalker, anywhere, anytime
Clare, "Get out! It's so embarrasing".
Jean, "I'm going to protect you, so you will not get flushed away by the toilet".
Ghost of Perdition
2007-08-01, 23:56
I really wanted the 1st page I attached animated, but alas...it is not to be. At least we get to see that Deneve is just as much a troublemaker as her good friend Helen is, but she tends to raise the ire of fellow Claymores easily (in the manga a massive argument breaks out throughout all the assembled Claymore, which leads to another wonderful Helen facial expression I wanted to see animated).
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^ ....
I posted those pages already above =.=
superzombie23
2007-08-02, 00:04
This episode was alright. It's obviously setting up for the good parts in the next episode ;). Flora's voice sounded very bad to me... it's a a little girl voice for a hot woman.
Oh btw, going by Riful reaction after no. 30 awaken before, it seems that once awaken, your power progression seems to stop.. thats why she killed her and want only high ranking #s :p .. So Priscilla progression probably stopped at whatever point she was as Claymore.. her powers double, but I doubt she getting more progression.
Awaken Ones are still living being, not robot. They should still get stronger or weaker as they age or learn new skills. Riful was looking for some henchmen, not a pet or a daughter. She is not going to waste time training an AO if it is too weak for her purpose.
Awaken Ones are still living being, not robot. They should still get stronger or weaker as they age or learn new skills. Riful was looking for some henchmen, not a pet or a daughter. She is not going to waste time training an AO if it is too weak for her purpose.
However, the space for AOs' development is likely to be limited. It is a possible reason why Riful spared them. So, IMO, in short term, low-ranked-claymore-turned AOs are too weak to be useful; in long-run, AOs' power development is much slower than Claymores', the return rate of long-term investment on weak AOs is too low to make Riful interested.
The part where Flora calms everyone down was pretty unnecessary actually IMO. The mumblings died down too quickly. I felt that they could've done better by letting the mumblings continue until Flora demonstrates her power. :(
Actually.. the scene is exactly identical to the manga... Flora *IS* the 2nd highest rank in that group anyway, kinda like little kids stop abruptly once the mummy use her stern voice ^^
NoSanninWa
2007-08-02, 02:50
I notice certain individual keeps voting 1 or 2 out of 10. If he finds many episodes so bad, so painful, then why he keeps watching????:confused::confused:He probably just intends to show his distain for the pointlessness of ratings.
for all the anime only viewers, whats the helen funny faces the manga readers keep taling about?Well, I think KiNa has answered that question to satisfaction. It's really a shame I had to delete the majority of his post since we don't allow fullpage quality manga scans to be posted for licensed manga. In short, Helen does a lot of over-reaction to everything. She gapes at Clare having a new arm, she gapes at Jean being number 9, she gapes at Clare surviving an encounter with a Creature of the Abyss. And amidst the gaping she gives a funny face about her fellow Claymores bickering and a really cute face when she appologizes to Jean.
Those scenes bother me just a trifle since in the manga, Helen keeps gaping so much that it seems her lower jaw is hitting the ground as hard as Clare's face. It is as if Helen is channeling the spirit of Kaioshin-sama.
Mandrake
2007-08-02, 03:07
Actually.. the scene is exactly identical to the manga... Flora *IS* the 2nd highest rank in that group anyway, kinda like little kids stop abruptly once the mummy use her stern voice ^^
Only it wasen't just deneve and undine argueing. They just cut too much in this ep:(
Azure King
2007-08-02, 04:11
One thing that got me thinking.. the Org seem to be using claymores like dirty rags.. eg. for this arc they seem to be sacificing 24 claymores of all ranks from no. 6 to no. 47 .. my question is .. how many more claymore do they have in waiting?
Wouldn't it be more ideal to send the top 10 rank to take out these ABs?
Defiled one
2007-08-02, 04:19
:bow: :bow: :bow: Isley Army
How the hell did he got so many Awakened to begin with?
ItachiGT
2007-08-02, 04:22
@Azure KIng:
The 24 Claymores sent to the North, are in the opnion of the organistion not useful anymore due to several reason like for example, not obedient enough etc. etc.
Remember episode 10/11. The Fab4 (Clare, Miria, Deneve and Helen) were sent to an kamikaze-mission!:frustrated:
ow the hell did he got so many Awakened to begin with?
Maybe Isley threatened them to join him because he acquired teh powerfulz Priscilla.
Defiled one
2007-08-02, 04:24
I thought they obeyed him because he could grant them female claymores that could awaken and...they could get women. :naughty: for stuff cause snow is very cold.
I thought they obeyed him because he could grant them female claymores that could awaken and...they could get women. :naughty: for stuff cause snow is very cold.
That too! :D
Well I stopped hanging around here about the time everyone was throwing out manga spoilers and complaints where rampant about this and that change from the manga source...Seems like not much has changed. :heh:
And this is why I don't read the manga before or even while I watch the anime...For me the episode was extremely nice as a setup one and I cant really see any flaws in it whatsoever. Heres hoping to them keeping the fast pace action and great atmosphere that the show has been delivering lately. ;)
Your post makes me more regret that I read the manga.
I should have been more patient. :mad:
as for this episode, I give it an 8.
I'm really disappointed with Flora's voice, she sounds like a loli, it reduces her hotness by 30%.
Blablabla
2007-08-02, 04:45
Disapointed...
- Animation was below than average
- Flora was far away than the beatiful girl we see in the manga... her voice do not match her.
- Most of all Helen's funny moments were cut.
And this is why you don't mix manga and anime counterparts. You are bound to find something irksome. See it as it is. I just blazed through the manga less than 30 minutes ago myself but I wasn't disappointed with how the anime team did the chapter..err chapters. :D
Child_of_Sierra
2007-08-02, 04:54
"They all probably had nothing better to do anyway" ~riful
and how did we arrive with the conclusion that Priscilla is the only female AB with Isley? Eva and company could have been forced to awaken too...
they prolly started off by cutting their nails then fingers and toes then hands and feet then arms and legs then you know.. until nothing is left or those girls awaken whichever comes first ^^
wpnsiu86
2007-08-02, 06:23
Flora was really badly drawn in tis episode, and i totally agree that her voice sucks. Totally spoils her image... and the way the anime introduced her windcutter was really BAD! It looks so awesome in the manga... but in the anime... it was... blah... and I really hate to see Helen's funny reactions totally screwed up... compared to the 1st 17 episodes, tis one is really disappointing... 6/10
For people not happy with Flora in this episode, i'm sure she'll look beautiful in battle next week. :3
throrine
2007-08-02, 06:27
hey i know tis may be missplace but how much time has passed since raki left and the last episode?
How do we know he wont come back as some powerful warrior character or perhaps even a villain? If anyone knows of a thread that talk about this please give me the link or just tell me. or if you have opinions please tell me.
Can you point me to where any discussion about the DVD release is taking place? Doesn't seem relevant to any of the existing active threads. Would like to know what you're talking about there.
Me too. I'd like to know how the DVDs are actually different from the TV version. :confused:
Anh_Minh
2007-08-02, 06:37
hey i know tis may be missplace but how much time has passed since raki left and the last episode?
How do we know he wont come back as some powerful warrior character or perhaps even a villain? If anyone knows of a thread that talk about this please give me the link or just tell me. or if you have opinions please tell me.
Just a few months. It's only days after the Witch's Maw, plus maybe a few weeks of travel time.
Sorrow-K
2007-08-02, 06:40
Damn, this show is cliffhanger hell. Certainly doing a great job of holding my attention, though.
FlareKnight
2007-08-02, 06:50
Yeah I think the whole thing screams suicide mission the moment you find out the top few Claymores aren't coming along for this one. Nothing on Miria and Flora but if your even dreaming of seroiusly going up against Easley's forces you bring every last useful person you can. I'm sure it's not because all 24 were troublemakers, but nice if they can once again try to get rid of the ones that are a problem.
Seems like Rafaela is going to be a real issue to deal with down the road. Kind've like the Priscilla to Teresa, except Clare doesn't have nearly the raw skills that Teresa had at her disposal. Seems number ranking doesn't matter and pretty much being used for specialized stealth missions Rafaela has me worried.
Don't htink it'd be all that hard for Easley to get forces on his side. Any AO in the region would either voluntarily join him or be beaten into submission. Throwing Priscilla into his force pretty much gives him some serious power there. Plus it's possible like Riful he's been getting Claymores in the region to awaken, but who knows.
In terms in how the series will finish up. Figure they'll find an arc that they would feel comfortable at leaving things off for now at. Maybe a time skip if there is one on the horizon would work. No way they can anime original and finish off all the loose ends here. Tough but I can see them ending it at whatever arc makes sense and leaving the series for a couple years while the manga gets out some more material.
kageyame
2007-08-02, 07:33
This was not a good manga-lover's episode. They butchered Helen's best dialog, totally nerfing her into a minor character, and I waited till this episode to be sure, but they totally left out Riful's sensing of Raphaela's presence observing the fight.
Expect that it wasn't Raphaela that was watching the fight...
About the episode, great episode, like many others, i just found Flora's voice a bit weird, but you grow used to it after a while...
throrine
2007-08-02, 07:36
hm it really seems like humans just dont stand a snow balls chance in hell against normal yoma even on a good basis.. and as in this episodes awakened being are even more trouble for them.. If raki is walking around in this winter alone.. how is he even alive? dont yoma/awakened smell their food out or sense it in some way?
who knows maybe hes the character that will receave the "just in time power up" and save the day like in so many other animes.. a but old and tiresome but still i dont wanna see a sad ending for clare or raki.
Woohoo my guess was correct, and from episode 15 no less!
...
I can totally see Clare rescuing Jean, then Jean being ordered to kill Clare by the Org in the future, but decides against it since she's her savior, and then subsequently joining forces to become ... The Fab Five!
...
Another great episode. The awakened beings were really full of character.
Defiled one
2007-08-02, 07:48
These fellow were scouts. Seriously if scouts have this power, where the hell is the Legions?
Do you think this Easley knows how to claymorize humans? if so...He might have thousands if not more in waiting...
Bikerider
2007-08-02, 08:02
The meeting of Clare and Jean with Rubel and Rafaela was severely chopped down too. This is an important scene. It sets up the whole reason for Clare going North. Saying Raki went north explains nothing. Saying he was caught by slave traders (we wonder why how that happens) and sent north says much more to Clare. Also shows how manipulative Rubel is.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-02, 08:21
Me too. I'd like to know how the DVDs are actually different from the TV version. :confused:
From what I was told but don't quote me on this, the DVD animation is much more crisp and less darker than the TV version.
Also the promotional clip showed Theresa who is resemble her manga version more closely than TV.
I don't get why they want to "slow Isley down". It makes no sense. What time is there to buy? All they do is waste over half their current forces in Pieta, including 3 single digits.
There is absolutly no point to this. If they want to fight the awakened beings, they need to send in everyone or split up Isleys army and ambush the smaller groups.
what are they waiting for? Does Freedom and Justice still need an oil change? :frustrated:
There is no way Alicia, Beth, Galatea and Rafaela will be able to stop that army of awakened beings along with Isley, especially since he has his girlfriend Priscilla with him. She took out number 1-5 within seconds.
I also don't care how loyal the claymores that did not show up are, if they are not single didgit, they can't stand up to them at all. Also, Miria is THE best commander so even though she is a trouble maker, she would be the perfect choice to lead the entire group of claymores, not just the rejects.
There is no way they can take out Isley if he is on the level of Rifuls power. He must be or he would not dare to challenge Riful and whoever the one in the south is.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-02, 08:33
The Organization need some reserves to deal with other 2 Abyssal Ones/Dwellers of the Deep namely Riful and other unnamed. They can't dispatch their entire force to one spot and leaving themselves vulnerable to counterattacks by the other 2.
So what they hope is the northern speed bump to achieve is to inflict some damage to Isley/Easley forces so by the time they reach the center, the depleted forces will be under attack by other Abyssal Ones/Dwellers of the Deep and to be mop up by the Organization in the end. Also they knew the northern battle will be costly and hopeless so they sent the least obedient and not very useful Claymore to fight it.
The Organization is not exactly a goody two shoes, they resembled more like those ruthless mercenaries in European 30 Years War. (1614-1648) Freedom and Justice is hardly mean anything to them, only money and power do.
Defiled one
2007-08-02, 08:41
If I was Easly, I would provoke a riot in order to call claymores. If his purpose is the "conversion"then, it is a horribly idea sending high ranks to him.
He has an army...More like a legion of titans if you want to make it more dreadfull and thats being nice.
It´s basicly the males, failed experiments that the Org made that started to riot. Easly is a rank one male. So, he´s probably the oldest known since the first claymores were male. And quite possibly knows how to make claymores since the northern lands lack Youmas! A more horrible thought comes to my mind if they actually prey on them and use them on the humans. or maybe the lack of youma only proves that since it lacks awakened females..there is no youma.
What does he aim in destroying the Order? Revenge? More territory agains´t the other Dwelers?
Do we even know if the other two are allied to the order?
Things are getting complicated and we still haven´t seen the horrible monster. Seriously, he must be one big ugly mofo!! Duph comes to mind.:mad:
chrry370
2007-08-02, 08:46
best part: the reunion of the awesome foursome, especially Helen's excitement in meeting Clare lol...and Jean and Deneve having a few words with each other... Priceless...
I was also surprised Miria did not allocate the trio into her group but yes it was a great strategic move from her! And whats up with number 11 undine? the strongest claymore? You serious...
Next episode is going to be great! Here's to the foursome, oh and jeane...
Great episode! I love where this show is going so far.
Goofus Maximus
2007-08-02, 08:57
One thing that got me thinking.. the Org seem to be using claymores like dirty rags.. eg. for this arc they seem to be sacificing 24 claymores of all ranks from no. 6 to no. 47 .. my question is .. how many more claymore do they have in waiting?
Wouldn't it be more ideal to send the top 10 rank to take out these ABs?
To the Org, Claymores are like Doritos; "eat all you want! We'll make more!" The Org actually seems to hate troublesome Claymores more than the Yoma they're supposedly fighting...
grss1982
2007-08-02, 09:14
that was wonderful >:D
Don't Forget:
CLAYMORES!!! Tonight we dine in HELL!!!
:heh:
Another awesome episode, BTW.
Though I really did take a double take and had a WTF!? reaction to Flora's voice. I don't know why but her voice bothers me. I was expecting someone else. More mature sounding probably. :heh:
Yeah, and why does the orgnization want to take on the Abyss to begin with? they have ignored them for such a long time. Yes, the guy in North is making trouble now but it is not that he is challenging the org. He is challenging the other two, which is none of the org's business. Why do they want to get involved, especially when they don't even have the force to wipe them out?
Unless the North guy wants to dominant the world, that is a matter on a different scale.
zato_1one
2007-08-02, 10:02
You people are thinking too much. It's just that someone has requested the organization to kill these ABs. So the organization decided to send 24 Claymores to get rid of them. That's all. :D
Anh_Minh
2007-08-02, 10:07
Yeah, and why does the orgnization want to take on the Abyss to begin with? they have ignored them for such a long time. Yes, the guy in North is making trouble now but it is not that he is challenging the org. He is challenging the other two, which is none of the org's business. Why do they want to get involved, especially when they don't even have the force to wipe them out?
Unless the North guy wants to dominant the world, that is a matter on a different scale.
They don't actually know Isley's intentions. It's not like he's sent a formal letter of challenge to anyone.
So for all they know, yes, Isley wants to get rid of all who threaten him, including the Organisation.
I don't understand why Clare not respond about Irene right arm. :confused:
Ejinathan
2007-08-02, 10:33
I loved Flora's voice. It's very innocent haha ^^. That's the sinking lure for guys if you ask me :)
Also number eleven is way cool, damn Undine looks physicly strong ^^.
But as we know , speed owns strenght.
A 10 because it's the first toime seeing so many cool claymores in 1 episode and the beginning of a cool fight. :D
mccolgate
2007-08-02, 10:34
I don't understand why Clare not respond about Irene right arm. :confused:
Because Clare (as far as she knows) is the only person who knows that Irene survived back when Pricilla awakened.
Also, I liked Flora's voice. I think it fits. She has that creepy lolita look. Yeah, animation was bad, hopefully they were just saving up for the next episode. It's gonna be amazing.
Cococokie
2007-08-02, 10:41
Don't worry about Flora's voice actor too much. Because........eh no spoiling.
witchking99
2007-08-02, 10:49
Don't forget, that in next week's episode I'm pretty sure that everyone will get a "BIG" surprise coming up, HEHE!!! :D:D:D
Nightbat®
2007-08-02, 11:29
Heh, am I the only one who wants to see Undine and Galatea armwrestle?
(naked and oiled optional:heh:)
Well for next ep. it seems Clare will have enough spare parts lying around
Deathkillz
2007-08-02, 11:32
*cringes*
the less i see of undine the better imo :heh: well she better not be all muscles and actually shows some skill in duel wielding against an awakened ;)
Kinematics
2007-08-02, 12:09
You people are thinking too much. It's just that someone has requested the organization to kill these ABs. So the organization decided to send 24 Claymores to get rid of them. That's all.
Ummm.. And just how much do you think such a request would cost? That implies a massively rich individual or organization is also taking actions in the background.
BladeStone
2007-08-02, 12:09
As a non-manga reader -- I see Clare and all getting dominated by the AB, only to be saved by Raki, who was somehow and somewhere turned into the first male claymore in a long while (probably not by the organization).
Anh_Minh
2007-08-02, 12:13
I hope it won't happen. I'd hate to vomit on my keyboard.
I hope it won't happen. I'd hate to vomit on my keyboard.
Ewww :)
Well, i will stop posting for a while. I see some thunderclouds in the horizon, so i wait until they pass trough... Sidenote: But, don't spoiling. For the sake of others :)
Bonta Kun
2007-08-02, 13:19
Heh, am I the only one who wants to see Undine and Galatea armwrestle?
(naked and oiled optional:heh:)
I truely hope u are the only one:p
wouldn't it be better if
Heh, am I the only one who wants to see Flora and Galatea jello wrestle?
(naked optional:heh:)
I hope that they can stick more to the original manga dialogue the whole dwellers of the deep vs abyssal ones thing was kind of irritating. It would be depressing to see claymore become less attractive due to bad editing.
Nightbat®
2007-08-02, 14:03
As a non-manga reader -- I see Clare and all getting dominated by the AB, only to be saved by Raki, who was somehow and somewhere turned into the first male claymore in a long while (probably not by the organization).
Well, that'll make me stop watching very quickly
BladeStone
2007-08-02, 14:41
Well, that'll make me stop watching very quickly
Why? Aren't you bored of Raki being the 'useless tag-along' that he is? :(
Anh_Minh
2007-08-02, 14:47
Speaking for myself:
I'm not tired of him being away!
And I'm certainly not tired of him not being, say, Son Goku. Or Kurosaki Ichigo.
Defiled one
2007-08-02, 14:51
Is he even alive to begin with?
Ps: "I am making sarcasm here. I really don´t want the answer."
NoSanninWa
2007-08-02, 15:02
I don't get why they want to "slow Isley down". It makes no sense. What time is there to buy? All they do is waste over half their current forces in Pieta, including 3 single digits.
There is absolutly no point to this. If they want to fight the awakened beings, they need to send in everyone or split up Isleys army and ambush the smaller groups.
what are they waiting for? Does Freedom and Justice still need an oil change? :frustrated:
There is no way Alicia, Beth, Galatea and Rafaela will be able to stop that army of awakened beings along with Isley, especially since he has his girlfriend Priscilla with him. She took out number 1-5 within seconds.
I also don't care how loyal the claymores that did not show up are, if they are not single didgit, they can't stand up to them at all. Also, Miria is THE best commander so even though she is a trouble maker, she would be the perfect choice to lead the entire group of claymores, not just the rejects.
There is no way they can take out Isley if he is on the level of Rifuls power. He must be or he would not dare to challenge Riful and whoever the one in the south is.
Now those are some good questions! I'm glad that the manga readers were mostly able to resist the desire to answer them for you.
The Organization need some reserves to deal with other 2 Abyssal Ones/Dwellers of the Deep namely Riful and other unnamed. They can't dispatch their entire force to one spot and leaving themselves vulnerable to counterattacks by the other 2.
Let's not be silly. Obviously they cannot hope to stop the other two Abyssals any more than they could stop Isley. Remember what Varis said, Priscilla took out numbers 3-5 within seconds of her awakening. We also saw that Dauf (merely Riful's underling, not an Abyssal) was too strong for Galatea, number 3. And Galatea was convinced she'd stand no chance against Riful at all. Perhaps the still unseen Numbers 1 and 2 together could stand a chance against one Abyssal, but it is pretty safe to say that Abyssal Ones cannot be countered by mere reserves. The reason to keep their reserves is to fight off more ordinary Awakened Ones and youma.
I don't understand why Clare not respond about Irene right arm. :confused:Because Irene was keeping her continued life to be a secret. Clare doesn't know that Rafaela has already found Irene and she doesn't want to be responsible for Irene's death.
FlareKnight
2007-08-02, 15:31
Yeah as things are it doesn't seem like the Organization has enough firepower to take on even one of the Abyssals. They've got to have a nuke or something in the wings. Just using this force to try and slow Easley down will certainly get his attention at least in moving to take them out along the way. Though I don't think they would've won anyways still have to take into account Irene, Noel, and Sophia were pretty badly injured though they weren't life threatening. No way were any of them in a position to take on an AO especially one strong as Priscilla.
I'm sure usually the organization wouldn't mind sitting back and waiting for someone to beg for their help and be willing to pay up. But I guess if Easley and the other Abyssals go to war and cause some major damage to the world it'll be bad for business.
Can only imagine how Clare will react if she finds out what happened with Irene and Rafaela (though admittingly we need the information as well). But if she is dead you can't think Clare will have her right along side Priscilla on her kill list.
Tempest35
2007-08-02, 15:51
best part: the reunion of the awesome foursome, especially Helen's excitement in meeting Clare lol...and Jean and Deneve having a few words with each other... Priceless...
I was also surprised Miria did not allocate the trio into her group but yes it was a great strategic move from her! And whats up with number 11 undine? the strongest claymore? You serious...
Next episode is going to be great! Here's to the foursome, oh and jeane...
Well, if you think of it this way : Miria knows that each one of them (Fab 4) can rival a single digit so in a way, she's allocated a potential single digit to each squad instead of having just the high-ranked captain to do most of the work during a fight. This way, she doesn't have to worry about the other Claymores being in too much trouble with her Fab 4 distributed amongst the squads
As for Undine, her title of 'Strongest Claymore' I think, is a 'Self-Proclaimation' more than anything else... :heh: She seems the type to do such.
Great questions Varis. And may you enjoy the answers...next week. :D
And I can imagine that if Clare gave Irene's position away, Miria, Helen, and Deneve would be at her doorstep asking for Flash Sword-capable arms. ^^
'Fab 4' would become 'Flash Sword 4'.
Negativedark
2007-08-02, 15:51
Heh, am I the only one who wants to see Undine and Galatea armwrestle?
(naked and oiled optional:heh:)
Well for next ep. it seems Clare will have enough spare parts lying around
Actually there's a fanfiction on fanfiction.net about that very subject! (No, they are not naked and oiled)
Fruitfly
2007-08-02, 16:14
soooo How do you spell the northern guy's name?
Isley, Easley, or Esley? :confused: everyone spelling it differently
Defiled one
2007-08-02, 16:23
I cal him mofo :mad:...but that´s just me. Choose the one that starts with an Easley
you can spell it as you want, the important part is to pronounce it with "ee" and not the english "i". Because of that for English speaking people I suppose Easley or Esley makes more sense. And "Easley" is a name, while "Isley" or "Esley" are nothing really afaik. But I have no idea about the origin of his name, so cannot tell which spelling is the right one
Easy way to refer to him is call him the Silver King. :p
it sounds like its "easily", why is number 5 so special? its rather bold for rubel to assume jean with her uber drill blade and clare with her flash sword to have no chance vs rafeala even though she bested the 4th, fought on par with the 3rd and has the arm of a former number 2.
Flora20709
2007-08-02, 20:36
Wel CanT Spoilers Arent allowed
Sinestra
2007-08-02, 20:47
Its been a long time since i was on the edge of my seat like in this episode. When i saw how many Claymores they sent immediately all hell is going to break lose and i was not disappointed.
No one was surprised that this mission would most likely have a survival rate of 0. But at least Miria was on top of the situation. I could not have picked a better overall leader. I was fairly impressed by number 8 Windcutter Flora i like her technique. That soft voice and long hair make her look so refined but i wouldnt mess with her. I would expect to add her to the growing list of warriors underestimating our girl Clare. That burst of Yoki from her at the critical moment even caught the awaken guy off guard and on top of that she sensed that he could control Yoki. Talents like that will not go unnoticed.
At this point out of the 24 i would estimate that there are about 14-16 warriors. As Miria put it sacrificial pawns which to me is retarded. Its not like the organization can make Claymores over night. Given there high casualty rate recently they are below half strength. They better have a good plan in the works or they are toast. I cant wait to see Easley but i know once he shows up the heads will really start to roll and when ever he shows i would expect Pricillia to not be far behind.
Great episode i expect some serious fighting in the next episode with most of the lower rank Claymores being killed off and our the higher ranking ones in tight spot. Im still curious about what exactly has started this little war between the Dwellers of the Deep but if it were possible id let them fight out and conserve my strength and forces till a proper plan could be made. There is nothing to gained from unnecessary battles and there is nothing wrong with Strategic retreating.
Im starting to see where things are going with Clare shes still not near the level of her mentors at least thats what i call them. But she has unlimited potential and never stops trying. I think her greatest strength is the fact that she always tries no matter what she always searches for an answer and her determination is unmatched. When you combine these skills with a veteran warrior you get one bad ass mofo. Her leadership skills are not bad either even though shes not that great at reading surrounding areas and she still fights with too much emotion. But her skills are for sure getting honed.
I see a lot of the manga readers are upset again over alterations to the episode. Im going to read the manga after the anime and see what i think since i want to keep them separate. What is everyone basing that Flora's voice is wrong on?. I mean your reading.... how in the hell can you tell what someones voice sounds like.
DarkSide Hero
2007-08-02, 22:57
Why? Aren't you bored of Raki being the 'useless tag-along' that he is? :(
hell no; the best thing about claymore are the strong female lead characters.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-02, 23:18
soooo How do you spell the northern guy's name?
Isley, Easley, or Esley? :confused: everyone spelling it differently
I asked the question in the manga venting thread and read post # 267 as per Moderator NSW's explanation:
Actually there is no difference in their names between manga and anime.
Remember that the names weren't spelled in English, they were spelled in katakana. What your seeing is a difference in the choice of English characters to spell their names with. This choice was made by the translators, not the animators or writer.
Kinematics
2007-08-02, 23:25
Why? Aren't you bored of Raki being the 'useless tag-along' that he is?hell no; the best thing about claymore are the strong female lead characters.
Absolutely. This is Clare's story, not Raki's. Doing some lame powerup of Raki would destroy so much of what the author has created that I might have to drop the series if it ever happened. Whenever someone brings up Raki (aside from those wanting to kill him off), they always seem to want to turn him into some super Claymore or Guts-twin that can 'save' Clare. Hopefully such a travesty will never occur.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-02, 23:34
Absolutely. This is Clare's story, not Raki's. Doing some lame powerup of Raki would destroy so much of what the author has created that I might have to drop the series if it ever happened. Whenever someone brings up Raki (aside from those wanting to kill him off), they always seem to want to turn him into some super Claymore or Guts-twin that can 'save' Clare. Hopefully such a travesty will never occur.
Absolutely. Even if Raki turned into the super human swordsman of the day, his power will be WAY BELOW the weakest Claymore trainee. And don't get me started with Raki, I'm a board member of the Raki-must-die club.
Going back to ep 18, the "reunion" in the cave between the "FAB 4" was awesome. I hope those 4 will be together for a long time. MORE HELEN!
I just hope that they can keep the storyline accurate with the manga, as for raki powering up, either way the author will have found a way to balance the story or make it more amusing. Something like a fight with raki vs clare comes to mind where the combatants dont recognize each other. Of course this is all just speculation.
Panzerklein
2007-08-03, 00:09
Absolutely. Even if Raki turned into the super human swordsman of the day, his power will be WAY BELOW the weakest Claymore trainee. And don't get me started with Raki, I'm a board member of the Raki-must-die club.
Going back to ep 18, the "reunion" in the cave between the "FAB 4" was awesome. I hope those 4 will be together for a long time. MORE HELEN!
Hopeless, since anime director don't care about Helen, she fall from position of Group Cheerful Leader to Follower of main character.
RoryTate
2007-08-03, 00:22
Long time lurker who has enjoyed reading these threads since around episode 9...finally registered so I could contribute a bit.
My impression of this ep was that it was a great change of pace. Claymore continues to show its versatility with some well done camaraderie, humour, and a great build-up toward what promises to be a truly epic battle.
Reading all of the Helen comments, I guess I can understand why some of the manga readers would be disappointed, but for me (a non-manga reader), I wouldn't change Helen one bit in this ep. She had me laughing and grinning the whole time. And just the quick glimpse of her self-effacement after her greeting was perfect...it let me imagine the rest of the scene (and the mind always produces the best animation/effects).
Jeane might be my new favourite Claymore. She has some really good lines, and a legendary VA who happens to be my all-time favourite (Kotono Mitsuishi). That, combined with her strong sense of honour (which doesn't cross over into self-righteousness), is the perfect character for me. I worry though...Jeane's statement that her life is Clare's to use as she wishes, combined with danger of Clare's activities...*shiver*...I'm worried she might not be around as long as my fanboyism would like. *hee hee*
Clare's explanation of how Jeane helped her improve the flash sword was great, and it really works to set Clare squarely back as the "main character" (an important realization by the author) amidst a very strong and dynamic group of personalities and fighting skills. The reunion and comraderie of Helen, Deneve, Miria, and Clare was simply wonderful (and is a new and unexpected dimension to the show). I was also reminded again how cool Miria is, and I can't wait to see her "Phantom" skill used in the ensuing battle.
The voice for Flora felt wrong initially, but I accepted it much more as the episode progressed. I really think Flora's opening lines failed in *delivery* more than being unexpectedly girlish/high-pitched. I didn't particularly notice the high pitch at all later in the episode, and I thought the VA was allowed to give a much more "natural" delivery within an action setting. The opening "expository" lines really sounded like they were the result of an over-analyzed 20th take of the scene...too forced and self-conscious IMO.
Undine looks to add a lot of interesting colour by introducing a Claymore based around arrogance and brutish strength...I liked her a fair bit. I just hope she has some brain muscles and experience too, or else the cunningness of her opponents might remove a promising character very early in the game.
And speaking of the Awakened Ones, these three male AOs are an unexpected gift...I find myself wanting to learn more about what makes them tick and their history with the organization, because they are very interesting in their own right. And the voice actors are quite chilling in their excellent delivery.
Something I haven't seen mentioned here yet...I have been wondering each week for the past month if a new opening might appear. At this point, 2/3 of the way through the first season, I don't think so, but with so many new characters, and so many older ones (that are no longer around) placed front and center in the opening, I guess I'm a little surprised that this hasn't changed. Any thoughts?
watched it and enjoyed it but always had the likes and dislikes since i read the manga.
Plus:
-battle scene at the end of ep, totally rocking
-3 awakened voices were pretty darn good
-undine voice
-helen waiting for clare in the front of the cave
Minus:
-flora voice is just too young
-wincutter was lackluster, was hoping to at least see the flash outlines of an her arm motion or sword
-cutting the crowd off wehn miria was talking was too soon
-not enough info from that manga which i thought were important
-lack of helen's reactions
i really hope there's a slight adjustment to undine's voice in the next ep since... well you'll see when the time comes for the non manga readers ;)
hollywoodlou
2007-08-03, 02:06
Hopeless, since anime director don't care about Helen, she fall from position of Group Cheerful Leader to Follower of main character.
The Helen mannerism's/expressions FROM THE MANGA were the missing ingredients from this episode. The "retard" comments (in the manga) while leaning on Clare was priceless. I guess the anime director wasn't a fan of Helen.
Case in point: Remember the "whose arm" exchange in the cave? The VA botched it.
khryoleoz
2007-08-03, 02:25
I don't think it was done as something against the Helen character. I think somebody earlier pointed out that the Helen gags were omitted to keep the dark mood flowing. The changes were within acceptable limits I think.
Not just Helen, they've removed a lot of expressions from Clare too. I wasn't surprised that they removed Helen's antics.
Did anyone else sort of realised a error in Helens dialog?
on 9:49mins(subbed) you can hear (in japanese) Helen says that Undine carries two TaiKens(Big Sword) instead of saying two Kureimoa's(Claymores)?
Error or is it just suppose to be like that?
no error there, they usually use "taiken" when talking about the swords :) Since "Claymore" usually refers to the fighter, it's confusing to use it for the sword as well I suppose.
parrywrinkle
2007-08-03, 07:47
Great build up to the next part, especially with the cliffhanger at the end where you're not too sure with what will happen next.
Loved the AB voices. They all sound like stereotype Japanese thugs but with personalities fitting their body types. The first sounds like those skinny thugs that depends on quick moves, the second sounds very bloodthirsty and the third like a big brute. You know that the voice casting is great when it adds personality into the characters, merely than just reflect what their personality should be from the manga.
Though Flora's voice was a bit unexpected though. It makes her sound like she hit 16 and stopped growing.
TinyRedLeaf
2007-08-03, 09:11
I'm underwhelmed by this episode. Despite it being the first time we see so many warriors together, it just didn't feel exciting in any way. The action was flat. The animation was flat. The scenes, too dark as usual.
If nothing else, this episode reminds me of Episode 10 (which I hated). It's not the way I would have imagined it.
So much potential.......wasted. *sigh*
As for Flora....*sigh*. Her voice, as many others observed, just doesn't fit. I don't get it. She's the first "anime" voice we've heard in the entire series. All the other Claymores we've heard up till now had more "natural" voices, so I find it odd that they chose this voice for a character who appears to be an experienced, calm and collected fighter. Flora's voice for Priscilla perhaps, I might be able to imagine. Oh well, what's done is done.
6 out of 10.
Flora20709
2007-08-03, 09:18
Well Then Again Tiny Its Your opinion well for me {and Flora lovers}
Flora`s voice was perfect for her personality and her looks{i.e Gentle ,very calm}
Sinestra
2007-08-03, 09:27
Well Then Again Tiny Its Your opinion well for me {and Flora lovers}
Flora`s voice was perfect for her personality and her looks{i.e Gentle ,very calm}
I thought so too i didnt have a problem with it because of the way she presented her self. I think by the way she looked if she had a overly mature voice it would not fit well.
Flora20709
2007-08-03, 09:32
Yea Its Like Her Sounding Like Clare Or Ilena
For the voices, I am reminded of Usopp (of One Piece) when I heard the voice of the first AB (b4 the transformation)
And I find that the loli voice of Flora suits her quite well.
Also, Jean seems like really a bad leader, her team got wiped out... again.:upset:
Flora20709
2007-08-03, 09:40
Well Her Team Got Wiped Out Because She Tried To Protect Them All {I think}
Nightbat®
2007-08-03, 09:47
One thing this ep did prove (to me), that the claymore ranking or numbering doesn't make much sense
unless Clare being just 1/4th Yoma has an impact on her rank, her skills certainly do not.
Especially after her first AO-hunt she should have been 'promoted', unless Miria left Clare's contribution out
(doubtfull)
...One could argue her killing Ophelia would be another notch up, but the org can't be certain it was her or Irene
that took her out
then again after her 'run' from the org she could have been demoted again
but Miria -being the biggest troublemaker- still carries #6
...as for Flora's voice, I for one like it
it fits her person and it's not like I never heard someone with such an 'angelic'/'innocent' voice before
I really wonder what people reading the manga can claim about it 'being wrong'
We're not talking about a dub here
One thing this ep did prove (to me), that the claymore ranking or numbering doesn't make much sense
unless Clare being just 1/4th Yoma has an impact on her rank, her skills certainly do not.
Especially after her first AO-hunt she should have been 'promoted', unless Miria left Clare's contribution out
(doubtfull)
...One could argue her killing Ophelia would be another notch up, but the org can't be certain it was her or Irene
that took her out
then again after her 'run' from the org she could have been demoted again
but Miria -being the biggest troublemaker- still carries #6
...as for Flora's voice, I for one like it
it fits her person and it's not like I never heard someone with such an 'angelic'/'innocent' voice before
I really wonder what people reading the manga can claim about it 'being wrong'
We're not talking about a dub here
Perhaps they all hoped for some "Belldandy angel voice" (btw, i love it, too. Both)
You never heard of the name "Belldandy"?. Then stay out :)
Kai Robin
2007-08-03, 10:04
I thought so too i didnt have a problem with it because of the way she presented her self. I think by the way she looked if she had a overly mature voice it would not fit well.
Yeah I thought Flora was find, she looked like an angel, even more elegant than Galatea, so I woudn't want her to sound like Irene.
On a side note, these premade avatars are really spiffy, kewl
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-08-03, 10:09
The Helen mannerism's/expressions FROM THE MANGA were the missing ingredients from this episode. The "retard" comments (in the manga) while leaning on Clare was priceless. I guess the anime director wasn't a fan of Helen.
Case in point: Remember the "whose arm" exchange in the cave? The VA botched it.
you are right...
This was a good episode, but I really missed Helen's show. I was desperately looking forward to it :sad:
Even if that scenes are unimportant plot-wise, Helen is my favorite character, so I can't help complaining about this :heh:
you are right...
This was a good episode, but I really missed Helen's show. I was desperately looking forward to it :sad:
Even if that scenes are unimportant plot-wise, Helen is my favorite character, so I can't help complaining about this :heh:
Perhaps, they found helen in the Manga to "life full" for the viewers out there on TV. You know, Manga otakus and TV otakus are different peoples. Perhaps they want to stay on the saver side. To much "Jokes" and Helen is no more an truthfully character for them...
and i don't wanna bet on it, but the scene in someones Signature will be cut, too.
If you understand a bit of the Nippon culture (Japanese calls her land Nippon), you should understand it.
But her "right arm?. Ey? ey?" was there....
Anh_Minh
2007-08-03, 10:17
We hoped that when we closed our eyes and heard her voice, we wouldn't picture a six years old. Was that too much to ask?
About the ranks: they just didn't get updated. Don't sweat it. Clare could probably beat up a higher ranked Claymore and claim her rank, but that's hardly her personality.
About Jean: She's got numbers 17, 27, 37, and 44. Probably only 17 and 27 were at all useful. They're going against a male Awakened. That they got wiped out is normal.
It's not like Flora's team would have done better. Without Clare and Irene's arm, they'd all be dead.
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-08-03, 10:32
Perhaps, they found helen in the Manga to "life full" for the viewers out there on TV. You know, Manga otakus and TV otakus are different peoples. Perhaps they want to stay on the saver side. To much "Jokes" and Helen is no more an truthfully character for them...
and i don't wanna bet on it, but the scene in someones Signature will be cut, too.
that could be, also the "disrupts the dark mood of the episode" theory is realistic.
I like to think, they were afraid Helen could somehow "steal the scene" from Claire, Miria or Flora.... I realize that would have upset many viewers :heh:
(well, my sig isn't a high-res large scan.... however, if that is the case, I'll replace it somehow)
khryoleoz
2007-08-03, 10:35
I have to agree. I wasn't even that excited about these chapters in the manga. It didn't start to pick up and intensify the drama until...well, we'll see.
ROAR!!!
I'm underwhelmed by this episode. Despite it being the first time we see so many warriors together, it just didn't feel exciting in any way. The action was flat. The animation was flat. The scenes, too dark as usual.
If nothing else, this episode reminds me of Episode 10 (which I hated). It's not the way I would have imagined it.
So much potential.......wasted. *sigh*
As for Flora....*sigh*. Her voice, as many others observed, just doesn't fit. I don't get it. She's the first "anime" voice we've heard in the entire series. All the other Claymores we've heard up till now had more "natural" voices, so I find it odd that they chose this voice for a character who appears to be an experienced, calm and collected fighter. Flora's voice for Priscilla perhaps, I might be able to imagine. Oh well, what's done is done.
6 out of 10.
Sinestra
2007-08-03, 10:36
We hoped that when we closed our eyes and heard her voice, we wouldn't picture a six years old. Was that too much to ask?
About the ranks: they just didn't get updated. Don't sweat it. Clare could probably beat up a higher ranked Claymore and claim her rank, but that's hardly her personality.
About Jean: She's got numbers 17, 27, 37, and 44. Probably only 17 and 27 were at all useful. They're going against a male Awakened. That they got wiped out is normal.
It's not like Flora's team would have done better. Without Clare and Irene's arm, they'd all be dead.
Whats everyones guess on how many of the orginal 24 Claymores that went into battle are left? My guess is there are anywhere between 14-16 left after the initial attack
The current strength of the orginazation? My guess they are below half strength at this point
Bonta Kun
2007-08-03, 11:49
Whats everyones guess on how many of the orginal 24 Claymores that went into battle are left? My guess is there are anywhere between 14-16 left after the initial attack
The current strength of the orginazation? My guess they are below half strength at this point
well since I read the manga I know:p
well safe to say 40 onwards don't really count as a strength, just that little hard to say. But guessing since 24 have gathered they are at most likely a little under manned.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-03, 12:05
that could be, also the "disrupts the dark mood of the episode" theory is realistic.
I like to think, they were afraid Helen could somehow "steal the scene" from Claire, Miria or Flora.... I realize that would have upset many viewers :heh:
(well, my sig isn't a high-res large scan.... however, if that is the case, I'll replace it somehow)
Good scan. I, however, would prefer the scan where Helen is leaning on Clare's shoulders with the "retard" comments. Clare's face says it all.
I think a majority of the manga readers here have been waiting since day 1 for Helen to steal the episode. So what? It's Clare's show, we know that but this was Helen's episode and maybe Flora's as well.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-08-03, 13:02
I was quite disappointed in this episode as well tbh, Flora's VA was indeed too loli-sounding, i expected a light voice for her, but not a little girl's voice, even my mother (who watches this show as well) commented about how unfitting it was for her appearance.
Helen was supposed to steal the show >.< I was immensely disappointed that they left out most of her best lines and expressions :upset:
They also chose to cut out alot of interesting information (and a small bit more of the ever precious Clare/Jean Interaction.)
I also found the coloring of the new AB to be slightly odd, but overall that was a minor point.
and I was very suddenly and forcefully reminded how much I hate that music when Miria was reintroduced >.<
7/10 Just because the animation didnt hurt my eyes like episode 16 :eyebrow:
...as for Flora's voice, I for one like it
it fits her person and it's not like I never heard someone with such an 'angelic'/'innocent' voice before
I really wonder what people reading the manga can claim about it 'being wrong'
We're not talking about a dub here
we are, we're talking about the Japanese dub ;)
It's completely normal to imagine a voice while reading and to judge a voice based on the image of a characters seen in the manga. Just like you can judge how much an actor fits a character from a book.
Of course, this is a completely subjective impression, so there is no real "right" or "wrong", but nevertheless many people reading the manga had imagined a certain kind of voice which is not at all like it turned out.
It's exactly the same as most of the people saying good things about Riful's voice, since her voice was just how it felt "right" to the large majority.
Like I said, to me it's not a complete miss-cast, but it was a surprise, makes her seem so much younger. Chosing an Irene-like voice for sure would have been a miss-cast though and I don't think anybody complaining about her voice wanted to say that :heh: I would have liked a Mamiko Noto-voice, really calm and mature, but not at all "deep" like the others.
And honestly, Flora's voice is the only one really being criticised so far. All the others were praised all the long. So, a voice cast can take that much critcism.
Tempest35
2007-08-03, 13:15
For Miria's entrance, music over 'The March of The Empire' for bonus effect. >:D
I'm still '...' because they sped the told story so freaking much. Honestly, I would have been perfectly happy if they would have ended the ep right when that one AB was transforming and our girls sensed their presence just to see Helen do the 'Poor Miria' line that I WATCHED ALL THIS WAY FOR. :sadfase: That and her stutter delivery in the cave. That was so much <3 right there and it was missed.
In the case for Flora's voice, I was like, 'whoa, she's young' but then it was ah okay so she's young. Don't worry, the English dub will give her a more mature voice-over. As long as they don't get Paris Hilton to VA it, I won't lead a revolt. ^^;
A lot of inconsitances against the manga but I can live with it. If that's the case, then we might be getting an altered ending here for the War in the North arc.
And honestly, Flora's voice is the only one really being criticised so far. All the others were praised all the long. So, a voice cast can take that much critcism.
Perhaps Raki's name is worn out :)
Didn't they play Teresa's theme when Miria showed up? :D
In the case for Flora's voice, I was like, 'whoa, she's young' but then it was ah okay so she's young. Don't worry, the English dub will give her a more mature voice-over.
For sure, they already made her say "Shut up you lot" in the manga, so in the English version she is more of a second Undine already :D
While I'm sure theres no time to dilly-dally around with 24 'girls' holding swords and some big monsters waiting to feast...
This one seemed like it was rushed through too fast. I guess 2 split screens showing 2 monsters being fought at the same time might have fixed it but there would only have been voices from 1 area. Comic-book screen TV might have worked good here with some animation.
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, as I've enjoyed all episodes of Claymore so far, and as I probably always will. What some people might see as rushing the story, I see as one hell of an eventful episode. I anticipated great things when I saw the preview last week, and I was certainly not disappointed.
All the reunions... I've missed Miria and the others, their companionship is truly beautiful. As my hate for the organization grows, so does my passion for this alliance. I was very happy that Jeane was allowed into the circle, she's an honorable and fantastic character, who I've quickly developed a deep reverence for.
I didn't mind Flora's voice, I thought it fit her appearance fairly well. I love that we've seen so many different personalities among the claymores, and I remain utterly impressed with the series. 10/10
Kai Robin
2007-08-03, 15:44
ya know after watching this episode I'm not sure if they made the Claymores too weak or the Awakened ones too strong. The power gap really doesn't make sense, so far as I can tell if even just one of these three guys walked into claymore HQ they could wipe out #24-#47 (well, except you know who) in a heartbeat.
On a side note, at least a dozen claymores have died since Clare was regarded as #47, so if they bothered to update her rank she'd be in the 30's, though I get the feeling her actual power level is now in the upper teens/lower twenties.
The thing that bothered me in this episode was the fact that 3 male AOs were able to kill so many Claymores.
And these are just the recon guys.
How can they ever hope to take on the stronger, higher ranked AO's?
Also, I didn't like Miria splitting the teams the way she did -- if it was just about strategy then I would wholeheartedly agree with the team makeup -- it's what I do in WoW when I PVP, haha. However, against these AO you need bigger teams than that -- they were too small and uncoordinated. Not to mention that you need heavy-duty firepower to get through to these guys.
Still, quite the enjoyable episode.
On a side note, at least a dozen claymores have died since Clare was regarded as #47, so if they bothered to update her rank she'd be in the 30's, though I get the feeling her actual power level is now in the upper teens/lower twenties.
"Rom is far away, and here i am the King!.No one can say what i'm doing"
Well, what i wanna say is that. For Upgrade her Rank. The Org must know it :). And you must take this in mind, that Clare is a runaway after some Mission with Ophelia, and no one knows exactly what happen there.... They found out 1) Killed AB (Mission Target done) 2) Ophelia awakened, and slashed into pieces. Who don it? #47? Impossible. They have no proves, because she is M.I.A.
Oh, and for the first AB we saw. I bet they knows it, but ignore it. Is Miria right about the Org? How knows....
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