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Klashikari
2007-08-02, 18:24
Thanks xris !
as for those you didn't already got their hands on it, something which might fulfill your impatience ^^
Nekogoroshi-hen : Summary, Screencaps and little analysis (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-dvd-omake-nekogoroshi-hen/)
Well well, a very nice extra for the plot. Batsu game and a really insightful and mysterious omake, foreshadowing some tragedies in the arcs on the main series.
A big solid 9, almost a 10, though i was a bit complaining that the "serious" part was bigger than the hilarous fun time. (side note: they screwed Mion :x Pay attention of her back... and no, there is no way it can be Shion)
oh well ^^"
Makes you wonder if that mysterious man is connected to the others.
Perhaps the quarry is a secret base? It would be strange to introduce a complete new mystery with no intention of solving or answering it.
MezzoDragon
2007-08-02, 20:03
Satoko is so cute in her Chinese outfit. Rena is also wearing a cute outfit.
BTW, this arc is the "Cat Killing Chapter". Yet, no cats died in this episode. Not even Rika while she is wearing her cat nurse outfit.
Satoko is so cute in her Chinese outfit. Rena is also wearing a cute outfit.
BTW, this arc is the "Cat Killing Chapter". Yet, no cats died in this episode. Not even Rika while she is wearing her cat nurse outfit.
Did you watch the scene after the credits?
MezzoDragon
2007-08-02, 20:28
Yes. No cats died then either.
Regardless of the confusing title, Satoko is so cute in a Chinese outfit. Rika is a lucky girl.
hmm, so what is this Nekogoroshi-hen?
All i know is that it is some special episode or somenthing.
kitedragon
2007-08-02, 20:28
I really liked how they rapid fired the credits in the end. I wonder if I'll get to see anything special on the last disc of the liscenced version in the US besides this.
Oh yeah, I can't remember clearly, but for people who watched Hau's fansub, are the song lyrics the same as the liscensed version?
Cheezy: It's a special episode for people who bought all the DVD's in Japan. It's a canon "arc" that takes place quite a while before Watanagashi.
Shion's Sanity
2007-08-02, 21:02
How can you be sure when it takes place?O_O
Rika did say that Watanagashi would be starting soon.
Shion's Sanity
2007-08-02, 22:21
I though you meant it took place before the arc of the same name.O_O
I liked this...but I have to say I'm a little confused about this "quarry" business. I don't remember ever hearing about any quarry in any other chapter...right? But the way it was explained does seem to make it tie in...
I know who the MIG are, more or less, but why are they at the quarry? Or, at least it seems one of them is. Hmm. :\ It certainly seems that it's a place where something is hidden that the MIG don't want people to see. Rika seems to understand that anyone going there will be "spirited away by demons", which means that if you go there and see what they don't want you to see...it's bye bye for you. Interesting. What could they be hiding there? The gas smell is interesting...if it IS the poison gas Keiichi thought it might be...well, this isn't the first time we've heard of poisonous gas in this series! Hmm...
Shion's Sanity
2007-08-02, 22:46
Isn't the "quarry" something involved with the dam project?
blitz1/2
2007-08-02, 23:14
I find it weird that they used the first opening with the later improved graphics. Oh well, it feels great to compare them again.
Wow, this came out of nowhere for me and I have to say I absoloutly loved it. It however did remind me of all that I missed from the old Higurashi, especially in terms of mood, direction and op/ed. I think the strong focus on keiichi/ rena is also what helped trigger nostalgia points. Either way. This was a really storng solid episode, that does offer a place for interesting new theories and adding tidbits of information.
Anyways. Blablah, ~great!~ Blah,
Hehehe.
Good Old Higurashi.
~[ ]
Shion's Sanity
2007-08-03, 01:20
I was waiting for Irie to come dropping out of the sky the whole time they were in those costumes.
This question is for people who knows what this epsiode is truly about. The question itself isn't a big spoiler, but I just wonder what other people thinks about this.
Isn't it weird that Rika seems to know what's at the quarry?
Killer Loli
2007-08-03, 02:48
was it just me or did keiichi remember again? and he didn't seem to have the same reaction as he did in tsumihoroboshi...
The Bloodlust Kid
2007-08-03, 04:00
Yes. No cats died then either.
Regardless of the confusing title, Satoko is so cute in a Chinese outfit. Rika is a lucky girl.
"Curiosity killed the cat". Hence the title.
And the fantasy sequence with Keiichi was just wrong. >_<
This question is for people who knows what this epsiode is truly about. The question itself isn't a big spoiler, but I just wonder what other people thinks about this.
Isn't it weird that Rika seems to know what's at the quarry?
most likely this not the first time this has happend.
MrZombie
2007-08-03, 09:32
It was fun, but there's more than a few things wrong with it. Like where was Mion's tatoo? It should have been obvious with what she was mearing. Then there was the fact that the boy and his father's deaths were labeled "Oyashiro-sama's curse" when we'd never heard of it before. Or the random Onikakushi-hen flash back that's never really explained. Did Keiichi remember again or what?
Klashikari
2007-08-03, 09:41
1) we never heard of this before, because it wasn't related to the "bizarre incidents" around the festival. (it was even before 6 years)
Since it wasn't really explained, and was blatantly an accident, people spread rumor, without really "believing" it, unlike for the festival (various reasons : the date, the style, identities of the victims, etc)
Since it was on the original novel, it wasn't really something the scripters have made by themselves
2) I believe the random onikakushi-hen flashback isn't a "flashback" per se. rather, a foreshadowing hint, and maybe a "fragment" in the subconsciousness of keiichi. The main argument is keiichi didn't get freaked out with this memory. Also, it was extremely conveniently linked with the idiom "the curiosity killed the cat", which is very true in many arcs, especially onikakushi.
the only real discredit is probably the tatoo, indeed.
Well it could have been Shion that day or the tatoo is smaller then the first season opening made it seem so her hair did cover it.
Klashikari
2007-08-03, 14:24
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Well it could have been Shion that day or the tatoo is smaller then the first season opening made it seem so her hair did cover it.
Not really possible. if shion is there, mion should be as well (for some obvious reason). as for retconning the tatoo, it is quite... not really a good thing ^^"
Maritime
2007-08-03, 16:55
It's been a while since I've watched the first season but isn't Mion's 'tattoo' actually a scar?
MrZombie
2007-08-03, 18:08
Nope, a large tatoo of an oni.
most likely this not the first time this has happend.
Exactly. But recall why Rika never remembers who the real culprit behind everything is, and apply that same reasoning to this case.
kitedragon
2007-08-03, 22:44
Nope, a large tatoo of an oni.
Yep. And the interesting part is that is that even if Mion's hair was spread out like Shion's, we should still be able to see at least some of the tatoo.
And we know that it was probably Mion, as Shion wouldn't daydream about being alone with K1.
That being said, I did like the awkwardness with which she tried to deny the suggestion. A pity we didn't see her face.... her expression would have been priceless. :)
FlareKnight
2007-08-03, 23:13
Yeah the card game was pretty fun. Especially with Mion denying like that and having each one throw in their own personal bets. Gotta love Rika throwing in the right to walk her like a dog. (Oddly enough Keiichi seemed pretty affected by that one :heh:)
Exactly. But recall why Rika never remembers who the real culprit behind everything is, and apply that same reasoning to this case.
She has recalled the cause of her death when it is not the real culprit that causes it, and she doesn't have to be killed there in any case, going there may just cause the death or vanishing of one or more of the others
Since i watched this right after ep 5 i did notice something Rena's hat was found in the mountains which lead me to thinking about how it was pointed out that the quary is on the other side of the mountains. could she have been running there or possably taken there
Katsu Koneko
2007-08-04, 04:52
Finally watched this. :p
I really liked this special it had humor and seriousness also the first season op/end. XD I really loved the card game sequence and the Keiichi and Rika talk at the end. ^^
Though the ending was just so cliffhanger-ish. ;o; Makes me want to know what happens next..
KaneDragon
2007-08-04, 11:12
I liked this...but I have to say I'm a little confused about this "quarry" business. I don't remember ever hearing about any quarry in any other chapter...right? But the way it was explained does seem to make it tie in...
I know who the MIG are, more or less, but why are they at the quarry? Or, at least it seems one of them is. Hmm. :\ It certainly seems that it's a place where something is hidden that the MIG don't want people to see. Rika seems to understand that anyone going there will be "spirited away by demons", which means that if you go there and see what they don't want you to see...it's bye bye for you. Interesting. What could they be hiding there? The gas smell is interesting...if it IS the poison gas Keiichi thought it might be...well, this isn't the first time we've heard of poisonous gas in this series! Hmm...
I've read most of the game information that's been posted, so it's quite clear what's going on. Saying more would be a big no-no, but recall the first ep of Higurashi Kai. Episode 5 will probably spell things out clearly.
Just posted this in the Episode 5 thread, but also seems to apply here.
After seeing the villagers horribly massacred, it seems clear that some sort of gas (or possibly a bacterial or viral infection, but still airborne) is responsible for the killings.
There is just no other way to see that many people die, that fast, and not have it appear to be a violent murder.
Thanks to Nekogoroshi-hen, we also now know that something's happening in the mountains, just outside of Hinamizawa.
Current working theory:
The quarry is being used as a laboratory for an airborne weapon. Don't know by who.
Someone discovers the secret, and is killed for it. Possibly Tomitake.
The Grey Men decide that since one person found it, it's time to pull the plug on this particular lab and kill any other possible witnesses.
The decision is made to gas the town. Rika is murdered shortly before, so that any superstitious folks outside the town, who are familiar with the stories of Hinamizawa, believe the entire town suffered Oyashiro-sama's wrath for the murder of its priestess. Anyone else assumes the murderer died in the gas disaster.
What this might not explain:
- Why did Tomitake, and Keiichi in the first arc, tear out their throats? (Possible answer: The Grey Men were working on two different airborne weapons, though such an explanation seems unlikely to me. Too many answers.)
- What was in that syringe, that Rika tried to inject insane Mion with?
MrZombie
2007-08-04, 20:27
I'm pretty sure that all of what's appeared in this episode isn't really canon.
kitedragon
2007-08-04, 22:46
I'm pretty sure that all of what's appeared in this episode isn't really canon.
I remember that it was made by Dragonknight 07 (or whatshisface), so it's probably canon. Also, it ties in with the rest of the Higurashi universe pretty well.
I really liked this special episode a lot, but I am confused on one point - Mion was at the quarry when she was younger with four other boys, correct? They all looked about the same age... so we hear about the fate of one of her companions. It is implied they are residents of Hanamizawa and almost no one leaves the town because of, well, various reasons implied in the anime.
So, shouldn't the classroom have three more guys around Keiichi's or Mion's age?
Maybe I'm just paranoid... watching this show can do that to a person I guess.
Brim
I really liked this special episode a lot, but I am confused on one point - Mion was at the quarry when she was younger with four other boys, correct? They all looked about the same age... so we hear about the fate of one of her companions. It is implied they are residents of Hanamizawa and almost no one leaves the town because of, well, various reasons implied in the anime.
So, shouldn't the classroom have three more guys around Keiichi's or Mion's age?
Maybe I'm just paranoid... watching this show can do that to a person I guess.
Brim
Mion's only a month or two away from graduation and she's the eldest in the class. I'm betting those boys graduated last year.
theacefrehley
2007-08-05, 05:54
Mion's only a month or two away from graduation and she's the eldest in the class. I'm betting those boys graduated last year.
There's a nearby town, Okinomiya (the kids go there by bike)
If the boys moved there, it wouldn't be considered "leave hinamizawa"
Klashikari
2007-08-05, 06:18
Yup. another big example is probably Natsumi Kimiyoshi's Grand mother, a hardcore believe of Oyashiro-sama, but living in Okinomiya IIRC.
Mion's only a month or two away from graduation and she's the eldest in the class. I'm betting those boys graduated last year.
Although not explained in the anime, the game does tells us that some kids from Hinamizawa do go to the school in Okinomiya instead.
something is confused about the car accident...
I'm pretty sure the father was gased and disposed as if it were an accident. Was boy who went missing in the field that stored the gas also was found in the car along with his father?
Klashikari
2007-08-05, 19:41
^ yes, it had been confirmed by Satoko. Even Rena felt sorry about this, since everything were "fine", until that accident happened.
Ok good now let's see why I think there's some unnecessary deaths here. First the boy probably got killed by some accident/gas leak or something because if the Janitors knew there were other children around and killing one of them is just risky. But sensible thoughts stop here... I just can't find out why the father is also killed and how they faked the accident =_=
Klashikari
2007-08-05, 19:53
^
well, as you can see, they could always fake an accident.
i believe that the janitors tracked the kid, but he was good enough to not be instantly discovered. (well the quarry might have many cavities)
but considering the patrol, he cannot leave out the quarry. (that could explain why the kid was forced to stay until nightfall, because with the light, he could be spotted by the "patrols")
then here come the father, and it is possible at this point that the father and the son meet together and get caught by the janitors.
it is highly doubtful the kid would be dead before his father, considering that it would be quite too dangerous if the police notice something weird in the autopsy.
OTOH, if they capture both of them, and fake an accident, by putting them unconscious with the gas (a small quantity for hypoxia, instead of letal quantity), things become simple
there are many possibilities, but i don't think it is quite possible for any of them to be dead in any other manner than being crushed in the accident
mist2123
2007-08-06, 16:24
She has recalled the cause of her death when it is not the real culprit that causes it, and she doesn't have to be killed there in any case, going there may just cause the death or vanishing of one or more of the others
Since i watched this right after ep 5 i did notice something Rena's hat was found in the mountains which lead me to thinking about how it was pointed out that the quary is on the other side of the mountains. could she have been running there or possably taken there
or maybe the people that killed her was some how related to the people in the quary.
One thing made sense when they found them both in the car. Somebody/something might have threatened them and fake the accident
I liked this episode a lot. They are all so kawaii in those suits. :heh:
Wanderer
2007-08-08, 12:43
Just watched it.
This little episode really helps paint the picture of some long term test project conspiracy. Combined with Himatsubushi-hen and the first arc of Kai and other random tidbits from other arcs, it's pretty obvious at this point.
As for the Onikakushi-hen "flashbacks"...
Rika made the statement that there are places people shouldn't go, THEN Keiichi had the "flashback" of him killing Rena. The way this was presented suggested it was a big hint. So I wondered, where did K1 go in Onikakushi-hen that was special? The answer: The dump a.k.a. Rena's mountain of treasure. I bet that's the place that ultimately led to K1's insanity in Onikakushi-hen and that that's a "bad place" similar in the way that the quarry in Nekogoroshi-hen is a "bad place". Do note that the three people present at that scene are the three people we know ever catch the "throat scratching disease". Perhaps it's the site of some dangerous disposed chemicals or something.
Klashikari
2007-08-08, 13:02
^ that is actually not really the case.
the problem wasn't the montain of treasure, but that he learned the truth not really how she should have. and since then, he got curious => magazines in the junkyard.
Shion didn't have that problem because of the junkyard, and Keiichi became completely insane in tatarigoroshi, but not because of that place.
basically, Rika mention of "bad place" is more likely the curiosity, which can led to tragedies.
that what happened to Keiichi in Onikakushi, and that's why rena said "the curiosity killed the cat"
Miko Miko
2007-08-11, 07:53
Good Episode!
I Liked it a lot.
What was that man doing there? Is he one of the same people that came and killed Rika? Thats just what i don't really get :heh:
Good Episode!
I Liked it a lot.
What was that man doing there? Is he one of the same people that came and killed Rika? Thats just what i don't really get :heh:
By this point we know that the great disaster was neither accidental nor supernatural. That means the gas used to do it had to actually be manufactured. And that's what he was doing.
Miko Miko
2007-08-11, 13:57
By this point we know that the great disaster was neither accidental nor supernatural. That means the gas used to do it had to actually be manufactured. And that's what he was doing.
Thanks, I get it now :P
No one subbed this chapter? I find that surprising
Eh? no one? Hauu~ already subbed Nekogoroshi-hen when it out :D
No one subbed this chapter? I find that surprising
It's been listed on AnimeSuki for over a month.
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Special (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1068.html)
Hauu~ have fansubbed it (as mentioned above).
God i must be blind dead, thanks for the info
Does anyone think that WinD will sub this special. I hope they do...
They said they were but that was a while ago and they haven't released past episode 9 in a month.
Red Lupine
2007-10-03, 18:34
Even the non-canon stuff is awesome in this show
BakaOnna
2007-10-03, 19:20
They said they were but that was a while ago and they haven't released past episode 9 in a month.
They just released ep. 10, like, 3 days ago if I'm not mistaken.
Sterling01
2007-10-03, 19:34
Even the non-canon stuff is awesome in this show
This is canon it was written by the creator himself
They just released ep. 10, like, 3 days ago if I'm not mistaken.
They did but when I posted that, 10 wasn't out.
GyroidFanatic
2007-10-03, 20:32
Even the non-canon stuff is awesome in this showIt's not really not canon. The novel form was written by Ryukishi07.
EDIT: For the third time here, I'm beaten by the fact I didn't notice the new page
MezzoDragon
2007-10-03, 20:45
Satoko is cute in her Chinese outfit. She should dress that way more often.
this was an okay epi ^.^ (pretty good that will say)
although i didn't like Keiichi's outfit :P
hugoauthen
2007-11-11, 10:19
where did K1 go in Onikakushi-hen that was special? The answer: The dump a.k.a. Rena's mountain of treasure. I bet that's the place that ultimately led to K1's insanity in Onikakushi-hen and that that's a "bad place" similar in the way that the quarry in Nekogoroshi-hen is a "bad place". Do note that the three people present at that scene are the three people we know ever catch the "throat scratching disease". Perhaps it's the site of some dangerous disposed chemicals or something.
a small spoiler for onikakushi-hen
I believe that in the start of the manga, keiichi left hinamizava for 2 days. his parents asks him on the train how it will be to be back in hinamizawa, how it is there, and so on
mion commented that her breasts had got bigger since keiichi last were there. he said. its only been two days
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