Lucky Star - Episode 18 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Pellissier

2007-08-04, 12:15

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shaoron

2007-08-04, 12:19

wait... it's out already!?

Risaa

2007-08-04, 14:30

wait... it's out already!?
The thread is created a day before the episode airs.

Vexx

2007-08-04, 19:33

Some people watch the raws after that and the rest of us patiently wait for one of the fine subgroups to do their magic.

Unfortunately, its summertime --- sub releases always slow down in the summer and around any semester finals. Add to that the dialog of this show being a bit tricksy and we're starting to lag behind the broadcast air dates.

Hey, at least it isn't like some series that are just sitting half finished in what approaches year-long limbo (Hidamari Sketch, Negima!?, some unnameable-in-this-forum series, many others).

WanderingKnight

2007-08-05, 01:57

Hey, at least it isn't like some series that are just sitting half finished in what approaches year-long limbo (Hidamari Sketch, Negima!?, some unnameable-in-this-forum series, many others).

Not to bring this thread into an offtopic rant, but unnameable series? Licensed series discussion is allowed (though not particularly discussion about fansubs and fansub support of those series). At any rate, Negima!? has been licensed so it should be unnameable, by what you say :heh:

At any rate, there was an episode 17 release (not by afk, but the guys did a good job anyways).

41nano

2007-08-05, 10:49

I'm really wondering what will be the ED this week.
I can't see Shiraishi again, he was always funny but i think it's time for a change (main cast maybe ?)

41nano

2007-08-05, 12:15

Raw is out

Luminisk

2007-08-05, 12:59

I see we have a share user among us.

Let us burn him at the stake.

pomps

2007-08-05, 13:52

Thankfully Shiraishi is not in the ED for most of the time, but nooo, he's still there.
Anyway this episode is pretty good, I like it, Misao is lovely :D, and Hiyori is at the same level with Konata in otakuness =w=

41nano

2007-08-05, 14:06

Hiyori is a doujin artist ?
She's really a big otaku
I liked the episode, but less than the last ones.
And the ED wasn't very good IMO, maybe it's because i didn't get the lyrics, but i just thought it had nothing to do in the anime...
At least other ED had a link with the show.

Kinny Riddle

2007-08-05, 14:13

Outside references are minimal today, some of the highlights:

Kona-chan tries to compare her friends with animals according to personality. Gotta love Kagamin's reaction at being described as a rabbit, but the ultimate sucker punch is Kona-chan saying Miyuki would be a cow, simply because she's, er, "big". :heh:

Kona-chan expressing how difficult it is to explain what exactly is "moe" to Tsukasa-chan. Just make a joke, force Kagamin to go into a reaction and then point and say, "That's moe for you!" :heh:

Kagamin discourages Tsukasa-chan from having a dog. Note how her ribbon falls as poor Tsukasa-chan looks sadder and sadder. (Kona-chan, once again, this is "moe". :love: )

After tricking Kona-chan into reading light novels last week, so eager was Kagamin for Kona-chan to finish the book so she can discuss the story with her, that she just stared at Kona-chan non-stop, unsettling poor Kona-chan greatly. :heh:

Kona-chan explains why guys in uniform don't seem to mind mind running in the rain as much as girls do: Because guys don't have to worry about bras showing through the wet semi-transparent shirt.
Kagamin: OMGWTFBBQ
(Note Akira-sama in raincoat at end of this sketch)

Notice how the attitude of Yu-chan's classmate changed after Kona-chan emphasized she's a "Third Year". :D

Plenty of focus on the new characters in the second half. Introducing Yu-chan and Minami's otaku classmate Tamura Hiyori as well as Patty, who we've already seen.

If only Hiyori's Saimoe group's voting took place after today, then she could still make it into the tournament proper, unluckily for her, it was not to be.

Anyway, Hiyori is voiced by Shimizu Kaori, who I'm more used to her voicing "mature" girls, like Takano Akira in School Rumble and Signum in Nanoha, so it's refreshing hear see her do something wacky for once.

Hiyori not only is an otaku, but she's also a doujin artist, in which plenty of her Minami x Yutaka fanart in her room got busted by Patty. LOL Luckily for her, both Yu-chan and Minami doesn't seem to "get" it, instead complimenting her on her art skills.

Patty describes her "Holy Places" that require visiting in Japan includes: Akihabara in Tokyo, and Nipponbashi in Osaka. LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipponbashi

Also, while Hiyori is a yuri fangirl, Patty is quite the yaoi fangirl. When she explains about Otome Road to Yu-chan, Yu-chan thinks to have the completely wrong idea of what it is, thinking it to be some Disneyland-like place, until Patty says it's a place for Fujoshi, AKA "Rotten Girls". :heh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otome_Road
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fujoshi

Kagamin's classmates Misao and Ayano also gets more airtime than usual.

Nothing special about today's Lucky Channel, just Shiraishi introducing the six other girls, to the annoyance of Akira-sama.

Today's ED is again sung a live action MV sung by Shiraishi, perhaps he could sense the grievances of some section of the fans for "screwing around" too much, this time he's actually singing quite well, with the occasional off-key, but overall, less fooling around.

The name of the song, with music and lyrics apparently credited to him, is "Kaorin's Theme". The MV basically shows a girl in a bride gown walking to meet her love, I'm not entirely sure, but I guess that's Fukuhara Kaori (Tsukasa), as the song seems to be named for her. In terms of prettiness, she certainly won't lose to Hirano Aya.

Meophist

2007-08-05, 14:50

Ji~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I loved that scene.

41nano

2007-08-05, 15:02

Thanks a lot Kinny Riddle, now i understand that episode :)

Hiyori not only is an otaku, but she's also a doujin artist, in which plenty of her Minami x Yutaka fanart in her room got busted by Patty. LOL Luckily for her, both Yu-chan and Minami doesn't seem to "get" it, instead complimenting her on her art skills.

Patty describes her "Holy Places" that require visiting in Japan includes: Akihabara in Tokyo, and Nipponbashi in Osaka. LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nipponbashi

Also, while Hiyori is a yuri fangirl, Patty is quite the yaoi fangirl. When she explains about Otome Road to Yu-chan, Yu-chan thinks to have the completely wrong idea of what it is, thinking it to be some Disneyland-like place, until Patty says it's a place for Fujoshi, AKA "Rotten Girls". :heh:

That part was the most funny of the ep for me.
Also fujoshi is only for yaoi fan girl right ?

The name of the song, with music and lyrics apparently credited to him, is "Kaorin's Theme". The MV basically shows a girl in a bride gown walking to meet her love, I'm not entirely sure, but I guess that's Fukuhara Kaori (Tsukasa), as the song seems to be named for her. In terms of prettiness, she certainly won't lose to Hirano Aya.

She's really super cute :love: though she hasn't the level of Aaya yet!
As said upper, the song was pretty bad IMO

Kaoru Chujo

2007-08-05, 16:37

The hits just keep on coming. Another episode I loved. Hiyori is a gas. I've updated the character/seiyuu page (http://hashihime.atspace.com/etc/luckystar/charseiyuus.html) with info/pic for her seiyuu, Shimizu Kaori.

Chihara Minori is doing a great job, imo. Minami and Yutaka are just wonderful together. The contrast between Minorin's voice and Hasegawa Shizuka's is entrancing.

I liked the ED -- even though I do want to hear Fukuhara Kaori sing, rather than just look pretty. But she did look very pretty. And the ending was highly amusing -- even though I was expecting it from the first shot of the ED.

takumi2k4

2007-08-05, 17:14

Pretty good episode, can't wait till the subs are out.

But dang, the ED was really good this time. I didn't know that Shiraishi can sing that good! That really surprised me right there, he was off-key a few times, but after hearing him botch many of the songs he sang before, this came off as a surprise.

Keruri

2007-08-05, 17:40

I. Loved. This. Episode.

Hiyori FTW. Her reactions (especially to/with Patty) make me laugh even more so than in the manga.

Yutaka got quite a few good moments here as well. Lovely!

As mentioned, the ED surprised me.

krln99

2007-08-05, 19:47

very funny ep. The "supporting cast" of freshman are interesting enough to hold their own, IMHO. I loved it when Iwasaki threw the ball. That was so well-animated.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-08-05, 21:09

When I played Super Robot Taisen W I distinctly remember there being other units in that stage other than the Arbalest and the Venom. Also I wonder if Kuroi-Sensei is as annoying to take down as Gauron. They made that guy so overpowered compared to every other enemy in the game.

Not terribly surprised nobody picked up on the reference I was referring to (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Lucky%20Star/Lucky%20Star%20-%2018%20-%20Large%2009.jpg) as it's fairly far outside the realm of anything we usually see. Luckily the mecha fanboy is still hanging around ready to lend his knowledge to the masses. Anyway that's basically what he does in the game, only more flashy and with a fingerbang at the end, similar to what happens here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqvNsokC7U&mode=related&search=) only index finger extended like kids making the gun gesture. For Nico Nico users the attack Kuroi should be doing on Konata is here at about 8:49 into the video (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm485236).They did their homework as the damage calculation for the attack is pretty accurate as to what it is in the actual game on a critical.

@Kaoru: The Minami role isn't exactly challenging by the usual standards of the industry, but Chihara Minori has been better than usual in this series lately in that she's pulling it off, I'll admit that. Though I hope she doesn't go and make me sorry I said it. I think she still has a long path ahead of her to be considered top caliber, if that's ever going to be possible.

Luminisk

2007-08-05, 21:28

Ah the SRW series; crossover mech games, good times good times.
I still remember what the getter robo and getter rays are, really old school stuff.

AVPlaya

2007-08-05, 22:15

man I wish I have time to watch 18 instead of writing all the stuff about 17...

Kaoru Chujo

2007-08-05, 23:21

...@Kaoru: The Minami role isn't exactly challenging by the usual standards of the industry, but Chihara Minori has been better than usual in this series lately in that she's pulling it off, I'll admit that. Though I hope she doesn't go and make me sorry I said it. I think she still has a long path ahead of her to be considered top caliber, if that's ever going to be possible.All true. I wasn't making any great claims for her, just saying how much I enjoyed the way she's doing this voice. I like the hint of emotion that seems to hover around Minami's unemotional voice.

There is apparently going to be a big announcement (http://www.chiharaminori.jp/kokuchi/index.html) played at noon on 11 August on monitors in anime stores around Japan to do with some project of Minorin's which the advertisement says is her "biggest ever announcement."

And I agree about the strength of the first-year group. I have to give the mangaka credit -- and I suppose some to the KyoAni staff, too -- for giving us another interesting group.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-08-05, 23:29

All true. I wasn't making any great claims for her, just saying how much I enjoyed the way she's doing this voice. I like the hint of emotion that seems to hover around Minami's unemotional voice.

There is apparently going to be a big announcement (http://www.chiharaminori.jp/kokuchi/index.html) played at noon on 11 August on monitors in anime stores around Japan to do with some project of Minorin's which the advertisement says is her "biggest ever announcement."

Me too.:D It's good to see her improving. I knew she could do it if she just got some experience and put in the effort a little. The announcement could have something to do with a show called Dragonaut -The Resonance- coming out in October or thereabouts, which is supposed to feature the entire Haruhi cast according to the series hompage. I'm not sure I'm liking her on the trailer there, though and it looks like a potential miscasting on Gonzo's part. That's a different story though.

Anyway this episode makes me feel like playing some SRW W now. I guess I'll bring it over to where I'm going.:D

Alesiopdv

2007-08-06, 00:49

Jaja Remember that old talk about Yutaka and Minami being a couple?
Now even the series makes fun of it!!!

I have the idea that Kyoani makes a original story for the anime and then fill the gaps with scenes from the manga. If not how come Vol 1 of the manga is made of episodes 1, 2, 5, 7, 13 and 15 of the anime??

How they call the game of getting hit by the ball in Japan?
I remember once I got hit in *there*

Fat Cat Lim

2007-08-06, 04:08

I think the first years Yutaka, Minami, Hiyori, and Patty nicely parallels Konata and the others. So even when Konata, Kagami, Tsukasa, and Miyuki leave school, there will be another close group of friends that will carry on the Lucky Star spirit.

Kinny Riddle

2007-08-06, 07:16

Concerning the SRW "duel" between Nanako-sensei and Kona-chan. Kona-chan was complaining about some election coverage getting in the way of her regular anime broadcasts, to which Nanako-sensei replies: "These sort of news are a good way to learn about problems associated with old geezers!"

The said election may be referring to the Japanese Senate election last Sunday, in which the ruling LDP party got hammered badly by the opposition DPJ party. Though this doesn't topple the LDP's control of the government (through the more powerful Lower House), they will find that it won't be so easy anymore to just force some of the more contentious legislation by using a majority which they have long taken for granted.

There is apparently going to be a big announcement played at noon on 11 August on monitors in anime stores around Japan to do with some project of Minorin's which the advertisement says is her "biggest ever announcement."

Won't be surprised if it's something to do with the second Haruhi series.

dodgethis_sg

2007-08-06, 07:22

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why you always cast Hirameki before attacking a boss unit or end your turn.

Kritios

2007-08-06, 08:20

Kinny Riddle

2007-08-06, 08:22

That's funny, but I'm pretty sure she says 時事問題, or current affairs.
Yeah whatever, it may or may not be coincidental. :D

Skane

2007-08-06, 10:52

Some quick comments after watching a RAW. While I am thrilled that they referenced FMP!-TSR, Nanoka emulating Gates is the stuff of nightmares. One of the most riveting and highly depraved villains in fiction.

Hiyori's various facial acrobatics was a hoot to watch. Will be attempting to play around with one particular scene and make it into an avatar if possible.

Cheers.

shaoron

2007-08-06, 11:01

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5049/minoruck9.jpg

aorta

2007-08-06, 11:47

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/08/05/lucky-star-18/

Screenshots from Random Curiosity

comments are funny

Kaoru Chujo

2007-08-06, 13:30

...[Chihara Minori announcement]...Won't be surprised if it's something to do with the second Haruhi series.There is a rumor that she will sing the OP of the new series. I'm also wondering if it could be (a) an album, or (b) a live show of her own. She just got back from a day at Tokushima for a mini-live with talk and handshake session that apparently will be shown (http://blog.livedoor.jp/blur66430/archives/51028387.html) on local TV there. Here are a couple of pics of her at Tokushima (on the east coast of Shikoku):

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/124/chihara070804pk8.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/124/chihara070804pk8.jpg) http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8053/chihara0708051fx0.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8053/chihara0708051fx0.jpg)

Anh_Minh

2007-08-06, 17:09

The Yutaka/Minami scenes were quite enjoyable. Especially the dodgeball. I loved how just as Hiyori says Minami looks like she won't go easy, Minami thinks of all the places where she shouldn't hit Yutaka.

And speaking of Hiyori, every time she thought "I shouldn't think of my friends like that", I wanted to shout "You should! Don't hold back! It is your destiny!".

Lucky Channel was meh. Not enough Akira. Shiraishi stole the show, and didn't know what to do with it.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-08-06, 17:38

There is a rumor that she will sing the OP of the new series. I'm also wondering if it could be (a) an album, or (b) a live show of her own. She just got back from a day at Tokushima for a mini-live with talk and handshake session that apparently will be shown (http://blog.livedoor.jp/blur66430/archives/51028387.html) on local TV there. Here are a couple of pics of her at Tokushima (on the east coast of Shikoku):

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/124/chihara070804pk8.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/124/chihara070804pk8.jpg) http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8053/chihara0708051fx0.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8053/chihara0708051fx0.jpg)

That would be an extremely dangerous path to take having Chihara Minori do the opening, unless she were joined by the whole crew. That's generally how it goes with these shows. It's not that I don't think she could pull off a 2nd Haruhi Season opening, but if Aya Hirano isn't in there singing there's going to be a 2ch riot.

Until proven otherwise, shouldn't we assume it'll be an ensemble opening theme....with er.....DANCING! I would be very surprised if it were anything but that.

About that election and old geezer's, apparently Abe felt the LDP was out of touch with Otaku voters and tried to use a Gundam/Mecha Otaku themed campaign to get the youth out to vote. Methinks he showed how out of touch he was as he went U.C Gundam instead of C.E. Anyway maybe the joke is referring to Abe's ploy and ignorance with the SRW representing the mecha campaign. I'll find out when I see it subbed I guess.

Kaoru Chujo

2007-08-06, 18:01

...Until proven otherwise, shouldn't we assume it'll be an ensemble opening theme....with er.....DANCING! I would be very surprised if it were anything but that....Lol. So would I.

I just saw the quick Guerrand sub of ep18 and want to say how impressed I was. I thought it was excellent.

CrowKenobi

2007-08-06, 18:10

That would be an extremely dangerous path to take having Chihara Minori do the opening, unless she were joined by the whole crew. That's generally how it goes with these shows. It's not that I don't think she could pull off a 2nd Haruhi Season opening, but if Aya Hirano isn't in there singing there's going to be a 2ch riot.I'm all for a 2 chan riot because I think that Chihara can pull it off because she is a pro! Besides, Aya got her break with season 1, so why not Chihara add to her repertoire with season 2?

:cool:

Shiroth

2007-08-06, 18:14

Patty + Otome Road = wonderful!

AVPlaya

2007-08-06, 18:47

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/124/chihara070804pk8.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/124/chihara070804pk8.jpg) http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8053/chihara0708051fx0.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8053/chihara0708051fx0.jpg)

Tokushima Ramen.. MAIU!!!

archanfels

2007-08-06, 19:27

Uber cute episode, wonderful in many ways, all I wish is a little more Kona/Kagamin interactions, those are the best after all.

Man, I hope there's a LS 2nd season, just thinking there're only 6 more eps makes me a sand panda =(

AVPlaya

2007-08-06, 19:52

Hidden for now...

Wafer Chco.. maiu! Have to find a really good photo of one of my favorite snacks...

Usagi Kagami - Kawasugi! So Tsundere... ho ho ho... blushing tsundere so moemeo...

Tsukasa is a Nature Born 妻... nobody else does it better...

The poor guy who married Miyuki will have to listen to her explaining every little trivial things.. gosh... she's Meganekko Moe and all that but that's gotta take its tolls. Plus she's really all talk no action.. to scared to do anything...

MOE'te nani? Moe is like, every one of you girls. Kagami understanding meaning of Moe? Because she's a Fujoshi in training; still in the closet now. Oh! A tsundere fujoshi with a brain... Kagami is like a Moe Nuclear Bomb to me.

Kagami's reason not to have a dog is the same reason I don't have a dog... oh... motto motto moemoe...

君の居た昨日、僕の見る明日１　－STARTING BELL－ (http://www.kadokawa.co.jp/bunko/bk_detail.php?pcd=200405000104) the light novel Kadokawa's trying to pitch to Otakus via Kagami... with her BIG and RARE MOE SMILE. Okay I'll go buy it...Kagami-sama... Please smile like that more...

Japanese election... LDP got their ass kicked because of that idiot PM Abe... I knew they should have chose Rozen Aso to the PM... hey he's next in line... perhaps soon we will see World's First Otaku PM! Soft Powaa Go! Yeah! Japanese politics' becoming so boring since Koizumi left... I'll bet Konata will vote LDP for Abe! Support Otaku rights!

K1 is mentioned in L*S! Wow, that's just awesome. Next we'll hear Sakuraba's name too. Learn about Japanese ultimate fighting, otakus!

Is that a mock A-team's theme during that Super Robo Taisen Parody? Oh did you know the A-team was big in Japan back in the 80's?

Akira-sama in moe raincoat still looks fearsome...

Using Keigo in writing to your family is indeed weird...

Misao-chan! She needs more screen time. Why do I find her more moe than most of the other main cast members?

Kyobo Densetsu no Kagami! Her reputation for violence precedes her.

Tsukasa's reading Lagoon Engine (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/manga.php?id=4413). Another Kadokawa Manga of course.

Konata pulling Senpai Rank! Love it!

Man, Minami REALLY REALLY cares about her oppai.

HAHA.. seme.. UKE! Hiyori's a Fushoshi! btw, you'all should go read the Fujoshi Kanojo blog (http://pentabutabu.blog35.fc2.com/)... very funny. Will they ever translate the books to English?

Patti knows a lot.. but how many American Otakus knows about Nagoya's Osu? I'd be impressed if they know about Nipponbashi. And Patti, the Holy Sites now include the very school you're attending... hohoho...

Man, the first grade is fujoshi and yuri heaven... but I have a feeling that Patti is Akiba-kei otaku like Konata... American otakus are so open and accepting...

Kagami now eatings lunch with Misao-chan and Ayano-chan now! That's great! Guess Konata's been disappointing her lately with her lack of LN reading...

LS: Shiraishi opening his eyes for the first time... Must be messenging a girl...

ED: I like it! Real singing! Shiraishi Original song! Kaori-chan (Tsukasa) as the bride (fitting)! nice J-POP karaoke video! Feels like a damn SMAP song though... The horror ending.. billiant!

I got to say, all the Kagami focus and Misao and Patti, with a great ED song, this is a 10 for me. Boy I LOVE this anime.

Calawain

2007-08-06, 19:53

Wow, really great episode here once again. Second week in a row we've had no major Haruhi references, and the riot over episode 16 seems to have calmed down ;x

I loved the animal scene, especially Kagami's reaction to Kona-chan's suggestion that she would be a rabbit, I think she likes the idea =) I also enjoyed when Kagami asked Kona-chan to read that light novel and sat there staring at her. I'm one of those people that can't concentrate when people are hovering over me. I'm often asked at work to come over and fix people's computers (since there is no IT there and I'm the only one who knows anything) and it irritates me when they sit there hovering over me.

The scene with Kona-chan talking to Yu-chan's classmate who assumed by her height that she was a first year made me laugh. Her emphasis on being a third year and his changing tone was great.

The secondary characters really shined in this episode. Minami was good, although yet another episode with her patting her chest due to her lack of bust was a bit much, I think she has other traits that can be used for comedy. I really don't like Kagami's classmates as much as the first years, I find their antics funnier and I enjoy their characters more (Patty especially).

Hiyori's yuri of Yu-chan and Minami was great, I laughed for a good long time there, they didn't get it at all and thought it was cute. Finally, Patty's "holy sites" of otakuness and Yuri cracked me up. Yu-chan's idea of Otome-chan as some sort of wonderful theme park was cute.

Overall 10/10 from me, and I'm looking forward to a list of cultural references once again!

Deathwing

2007-08-06, 20:17

i liked this episode
i didn't know they had the 3 second rule in japan thought that was just an American thing
also i laughed when Minami was figuring out how she was going to hit Yutaka in dodge ball without causing major damage
and kagami's staring scene was funny as well
today's lucky channel was pretty bad though

Kaioshin Sama

2007-08-06, 20:28

To answer the question AVPlaya posed about the A-Team theme thing. If you heard it (which is strange as the default battle theme's should be Tautaku M9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjQoVUO_z-4), Sorega Ai Deshou, which sounds better in the game without lyrics Shisshou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxqvNsokC7U) and that bleh opening theme from Second Raid, which also sounds better in the game without lyrics), it's because that's the theme used for Bonta Kun (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-AOn7oOuwI) in the game. You hear it whenever he attacks (or you can select it for any unit once you've heard it once), and yeah it's a complete rip-off of the A-Team theme.

Panzer Bandit

2007-08-06, 20:33

Hidden for now...

...

Is that a mock A-team's theme during that Super Robo Taisen Parody? Oh did you know the A-team was big in Japan back in the 80's?

...

Misao-chan! She needs more screen time. Why do I find her more moe than most of the other main cast members?

...

Kyobo Densetsu no Kagami! Her reputation for violence precedes her.

...

LS: Shiraishi opening his eyes for the first time... Must be messenging a girl...

...

I got to say, all the Kagami focus and Misao and Patti, with a great ED song, this is a 10 for me. Boy I LOVE this anime.

Ha, I was wondering what the A-team theme was doing in there. Didn't know it was a hit in Japan too. :)

Misao's really growing on me, although I have the feeling I'm really going to like Hiyori (even though we have only 6 episodes left :().

Hahaha, the alarm clock bit made me laugh. :heh: Speaking of Kagami...

If it's a girl Shiraishi's messaging, then more evidence for my Kagami theory... :eyespin:

I just watched Guerrand's sub, and I'm really impressed by the quality of their work considering how quick they got the sub out. Kudos to them.

krln99

2007-08-06, 20:33

I like how Patricia is more of an otaku than all of the Japanese characters except for Hiyorin and Kona.

AVPlaya

2007-08-06, 20:41

I just watched Guerrand's sub, and I'm really impressed by the quality of their work considering how quick they got the sub out. Kudos to them.

Wow, a sub is already out for 18?? Damn.. I guess I have to do my ref list early this week...

I like how Patricia is more of an otaku than all of the Japanese characters except for Hiyorin and Kona.

Yeah she is, and if any of you folks ever attend a Japanese school, so will all of you! :) It's so cool they've showed that scene... so many American anime fans goto Japan thinking everyone knows about anime and otaku things... but they don't! Most of the them will just look at you in complete and utter awe. :)

Meophist

2007-08-06, 21:01

Yeah she is, and if any of you folks ever attend a Japanese school, so will all of you! :) It's so cool they've showed that scene... so many American anime fans goto Japan thinking everyone knows about anime and otaku things... but they don't! Most of the them will just look at you in complete and utter awe. :)…*has attended a Japanese school before*

I don't think I was the biggest otaku there though…

In any case, I wonder if that'll really be awe…

AVPlaya

2007-08-06, 21:07

…*has attended a Japanese school before*

I don't think I was the biggest otaku there though…

In any case, I wonder if that'll really be awe…

Not the biggest, but you're not supposed to know anything about the otaku world...

It's not really (just) we, but I'm being polite and exaggerating a bit. The Japanese won't stare. :)

Calawain

2007-08-06, 21:33

Not the biggest, but you're not supposed to know anything about the otaku world...

It's not really (just) we, but I'm being polite and exaggerating a bit. The Japanese won't stare. :)

Jiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii~ ;x

Edit: And I also like Guerrand's subs so far watching episode 17 and 18 from them. They are pretty quick on the releases for a show that is probably difficult to translate. Although I don't speak more than 50 words in Japanese so I couldn't really say for sure ;)

Vexx

2007-08-06, 22:01

argh... downloading 17 and 18 by Guerrand just to see since everyone else seems to be AWOL (Look!!!!! Its Summer!!! <scamper>)

SatanicZero

2007-08-06, 22:23

a 10 for me...

yeah Iwasaki got more screen time in this episode....Minori Chihara....

Risaa

2007-08-06, 22:30

Eto, I don't really get it. :confused: Summer, subs slow down. I know people take trips during the summer (I *hella* do, I'm sure some have noticed O_o), but I would think summer is when subbers release full blast. With no school work to take care of, I would be able to churn out a lot more and a lot faster than usual during summer. I have a lot more time for everything, really.

So... Why does it slow down *so* much, it seems like for all groups?

Kang Seung Jae

2007-08-06, 22:32

I loved the animal referances.

Simply LOVED it.

GoldAlchemist

2007-08-06, 22:33

Does anybody know who is that Suzune girl running in the rain?

From character designs, i'm guessing that if there exists such characters in some other works, it must be some time ago.

AVPlaya

2007-08-06, 22:41

Does anybody know who is that Suzune girl running in the rain?

From character designs, i'm guessing that if there exists such characters in some other works, it must be some time ago.

Suzume and Ichiko from Munto 2: Beyond the Walls of Time OVA (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5390).

Maveric

2007-08-06, 23:32

Now there's a switch, 18 came out before 17...

Nice to finally meet all those other girls from the opening sequence. And Akira got a cameo!

Best part of the ep tho is when Konata goes "tell her that THIRD YEAR Konata is here" :P

Ha, I was wondering what the A-team theme was doing in there. Didn't know it was a hit in Japan too. :)

Actually, that's not the A-team theme, but music from the FMP soundtrack, which may or may not be based on the A-team theme. The mechs were also from FMP.

z3phyr.mp3

2007-08-07, 00:06

nice ep...
loved the animals part...
koanta should have told tsukasa to look at a mirror when she was asked waht was moe...
i may be over thinking this but could tsukasa's question be related to the upcoming start of the main round of saimoe 2007?

Luminisk

2007-08-07, 01:19

Hidden for now...

Tsukasa's reading Lagoon Engine (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/manga.php?id=4413). Another Kadokawa Manga of course.

Ugh, what possessed me to delete my first post.

Anyways, I loved Lagoon Engine by Yukiru Sugisaki.

I was sorta disappointed when I found out that author suddenly stopped working on it awhile ago, I thought it was just slow translation, but now I just noticed recently that she started releasing new chapters again; I hope it'll get translated soon so I can buy it over here.
Now if she can just start working on D.N. Angel again.

AVPlaya

2007-08-07, 01:29

Man, I thought I just did this yesterday.... But here goes... The fansub's out, so it's all out in the open.

Collectible Choco Wafer
The chocolate wafer Konata was generously sharing with everyone was something that can only be invented in Japan - it is a collectible card game made by Bandai called "神羅万象 (http://shinrabansho.com/shouhin.html)" (Shinranbanshyo). What's great about this game is that when you buy a new card packet, you also get a - CHOCO WAFER! So the kid gets the card AND a snack. Perfect marketing. Why does Konata have so many? She probably have a card she really wanted and got carried away. Any card game fan can identify with that, only you no get no choco wafer.

Munchies for all your battles!
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4373/sinra22ut1.jpg

Lucky * Animals
Just a short list of the RAKI * Doubutsu:

Konata - Fox
Tsukasa - Puppy (she's no bia.. )
Yutaka - Squirrel
Kagami - Rabbit
Yui-nee-chan - Leopard
Minami - Eagle
Miyuki - Sheep or Cow

Super-Smart Animals
Man this EP is all about animals! When the Tsukasa and Kagami were talking about dogs, the TV show which triggered this debate is a very, very popular TV show called 天才!志村どうぶつ園 (http://www.ntv.co.jp/zoo/index.html) (Tensai! Shimura Doubutsu En). This is a show loved by everyone and hosted by a Japanese comedic Legend, 志村けん (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BF%97%E6%9D%91%E3%81%91%E3%82%93) (Shimura Ken). He was the first manzai comedian to make it big on TV and he has hosted numerous shows which is the model for today's comedic variety shows. Everyone in Japan knows him. This particular show he's hosting is is about animals... especially smart animals doing tricks or performing impossible tasks. There are a lot of segment featuring dogs and cats, but the most famous animal from the show is the Chimpanzee named パンくん (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%91%E3%83%B3%E3%81%8F%E3%82%93) (pan-kun) and his pet dog James. Yes, he's one of the smartest non-human primate in the world, with the IQ of a 3-yrs old, so he gets a pet dog. With his dog James, Pan-kun performs human tasks such as shopping, riding the bus, feeding his dog, cleaning his room, visiting his vet, and cook his own meals, all by himself. A lot of cele talentos such as Aoki Sayaka (we like her) host segments on this show due to the popularity. It's a great show, folks.

Here's a video of one of the Pan-kun segments. Watch as Pan-kun board a train with James, his faithful Pitbull. That old guy on the top left is Shimura the host.

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Japanese Elections
Konata complaining about how Japanese Diet Election (http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1647944,00.html) Coverage has disturbed her anime viewing. Japan held an Diet Upper House election last week and the ruling Liberal Democratic Party lost its majority in the Upper House. Since the Lower House is more powerful, the still rule Japan but the LDP Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe, refused to resign even though the election was seen as a referendum on his rule. His brief reign was marred by scandals and some moves to change Japan's pacifist constitution, while economy and reform stagnated. His ratings were as low as Bush before the election, and his party took a great loss. This election was followed closely by Japanese TV, and and many otakus were inconvenienced by the coverage. But what Konata may not know or care is that the current Foreign Minister, Aso Taro (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taro_Aso), an otaku who likes "Rozen Maiden" and even campaigned in Akiba, is next in line for the PM job. He is big on the export of Japan's "Soft Power", meaning anime/manga, and even sponsored events like an International Manga Award to promote it. If he becomes PM, we'll probably see the Japanese military actively develop Mobile Suits and female government employee will be required to wear maido outfits. (Aso has a lot of problems I won't get into here.)

Rozen Aso with Rozen Maiden: Vote for me and Suiseiseki neh!
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5161/akibaasorozendx4.jpg

Kick Boxing One
We found out by accident that Nanako-sensei liked to watch K1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-1), Japanese professional Kick-boxing-based "Martial-Arts Fighting Competition". It's like Ultimate Fighting Champtionship in the US, only that K1 focus on Muay Thai and other boxing styles more so there's less grappling moves dominated other ultimate fighting circuits. K1 is popular in Japan, although Pride Fighting Championship is probably more so. This is what non-otaku guys in Japan watches.

Akebono, the former Sumo Yokozuna, versus Musashi, a fan favorite, in a K1 match:
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/1070/akebonomusashiwr6.jpg

Japanese Cell Plans
Getting a phone in Japan is really similar to getting it in the US, even though the phones are vastly different. Usually you get a phone for free or really cheap for signing a two-year contract (that's why Kagami said 2 years), but the plan can be much cheaper than the US. The only thing that's really expensive in Japan is the data rate, which is counted by packet. You don't pay for receiving phone calls but you do when you initiate the call (which is norm in most countries except the US). That's why many girls would carry multiple handsets, so she can give out number to specific handset to different types of people; this is especially true under the Japan-only PHS system, where you pay zero or very little monthly fee and only pay for the outgoing calls you make (which is usually cheaper too). Negative part of PHS is that it's only available in certain cities and the handsets are not as advanced/cool. Selecting a handset and a carrier/plan is an art in Japan...

An old-skool PHS phone
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8157/dochimon831dualmodesa2.jpg

===
That was kinda short! Not a lot of cultural ref in a show dominated by BL. I just realized that I watch a LOT of Japanese TV, even ones involving people breaking each other's noses. Still a ton of fun. I'll post my otaku ref tomorrow I think.

Risaa

2007-08-07, 01:51

The clip with Pan-kun was awesome. (His doggie reminds me of Densuke from Dennou Coil... shameless promotion.) I can't help but think it was staged though to make him look smarter than he already is though, for example maybe he actually took a much longer time to figure out how to get through the ticket-eating machine and had to watch many people instead of just the one lady.

When I was younger, I used to be afraid those things would eat my fingers... much in the same way escalators would suck you in if you didn't step off. o_o

wana10

2007-08-07, 01:56

super robot wars and full metal panic in one scene?! i'm geeking out over here!:D
patricia martin and hiyori as major otaku and the others inability to understand them made me laugh so hard, and yet it was so familiar...:heh:

awesome ep!

GoldAlchemist

2007-08-07, 06:55

Suzume and Ichiko from Munto 2: Beyond the Walls of Time OVA (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5390).
Thank you so much.

So another reference from KyoAni. ;) I think i'm going to get the OVA and complete my transformation into an avid fan of KyoAni.

Shiroth

2007-08-07, 07:54

I like how Patricia is more of an otaku than all of the Japanese characters except for Hiyorin and Kona.
Indeed, reminds of those two wonderful american fans from Genshiken, Sue & Angela.

Speaking of Hiyori, i wonder if she knows Konata~

Kaioshin Sama

2007-08-07, 08:10

Suzume and Ichiko from Munto 2: Beyond the Walls of Time OVA (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=5390).

Thus completes the grand slam of self-referencing.

@Goldalchemist: Go for it......hehehehe:innocent:

Kinny Riddle

2007-08-07, 08:55

Ugh, what possessed me to delete my first post.

Anyways, I loved Lagoon Engine by Yukiru Sugisaki.

I was sorta disappointed when I found out that author suddenly stopped working on it awhile ago, I thought it was just slow translation, but now I just noticed recently that she started releasing new chapters again; I hope it'll get translated soon so I can buy it over here.
Now if she can just start working on D.N. Angel again.
Now that I think about it, Sugisaki rarely completes her work, I'm still waiting for DN Angel to conclude. I pity poor Tsukasa-chan that she might never be able to see the ending of Lagoon Engine ever.

Kona-chan complains about news coverages getting in the way of anime broadcasts, yet as a hard-core, surely she must have heard of the "Legend of TV Tokyo"?

I remember seeing this blog that lists the number of times that TV Tokyo has ignored whatever breaking news there is and continued with its anime broadcasts.

They even got screenshots of various channels of the time when the news was being broadcast, from negotiations with North Korea, Shinzo Abe becoming new Prime Minister, and even the recent election. All the other channels were shown covering the related news, except one channel: TV Tokyo.

This "legend" has become so infamous that it even got parodied in Keroro Gunso, with Keroro not aware of some news related to another character since he was watching anime on TV Tokyo. LOL

Bonta Kun

2007-08-07, 12:50

nice ep. I really like Hiyori and Misao, good to see Misao getting some more screen time:p

and woo hoo to the FMP bit:D

Vexx

2007-08-07, 12:53

Aieee, another ep of Lucky Star goodness. The younger group of girls are being quite nicely profiled (where L*S will focus if it continues once the 4 Musketeers graduate).

Liked the Nanako-Konata imaginary duel .... I suspect these two will be gaming with each other long after their hair greys.

Misao-san is cast from the same gene pool as some other snaggle girl we love but Misao's voice is batshit insane lovable.

Other people have done the details.. so I'll just say both 17 and 18 are sublime for me.

Meophist

2007-08-07, 13:01

Not the biggest, but you're not supposed to know anything about the otaku world...

It's not really (just) we, but I'm being polite and exaggerating a bit. The Japanese won't stare. :)Actually, I didn't know anything about the otaku world. It was quite a long time ago, and although I was interested in games/anime at the time, the games I played were on the Famicon and the anime I watched included Doraemon, Sazae-san, Crayon Shin-chan, and this old magical girl show that wasn't Sailor Moon. At least, I think that was the anime I watched back then.

It was an interesting experience, but I don't think I could be considered an otaku at the time.

AVPlaya

2007-08-07, 13:09

Actually, I didn't know anything about the otaku world. It was quite a long time ago, and although I was interested in games/anime at the time, the games I played were on the Famicon and the anime I watched included Doraemon, Sazae-san, Crayon Shin-chan, and this old magical girl show that wasn't Sailor Moon. At least, I think that was the anime I watched back then.

It was an interesting experience, but I don't think I could be considered an otaku at the time.

Then you sounded just like an average Japanese kid then. Everyone watches those... No you weren't an otaku by far. But today, given the fact you watch L*S, you would probably be considered an otaku. If I'm in a JP HS right now, the last thing I would talk about is L*S or anime. Maybe a sports manga... that's it.

The clip with Pan-kun was awesome. (His doggie reminds me of Densuke from Dennou Coil... shameless promotion.) I can't help but think it was staged though to make him look smarter than he already is though, for example maybe he actually took a much longer time to figure out how to get through the ticket-eating machine and had to watch many people instead of just the one lady.

Of course it's staged like any good TV show. Pan-Kun is smart, but asking a 3-years old to buy a ticket and ride the train to a specific station is probably impossible. Some ADULTS have problem with it. :) He was trained to perform all the acts and most likely have little understanding of the acts he's doing, but he really did them by himself when the camera was rolling. He probably did NG like a thousand times before, but that's like any real human actors too. I see it more like Pan-kun acting in his little drama... even if it's all staged, it is still impressive and cute. :)

Panzer Bandit

2007-08-07, 13:37

Misao-san is cast from the same gene pool as some other snaggle girl we love but Misao's voice is batshit insane lovable.

Other people have done the details.. so I'll just say both 17 and 18 are sublime for me.

There's something about Misao's voice that makes her so amazingly cute...I can't really describe it, but it matches her personality exactly. I remember hearing her "Oi, Hiiragi!" during her first appearance and already thinking her voice was awesome.

aorta

2007-08-07, 13:39

Miyuki as a sheep was interesting since she had horns, which is a male thing. If she had been wearing a bell, I would think it was a Nanatsuiro Drops reference.

AVPlaya

2007-08-07, 13:56

Miyuki as a sheep was interesting since she had horns, which is a male thing. If she had been wearing a bell, I would think it was a Nanatsuiro Drops reference.

That can only mean that Miyuki is a seme like Minami... wait, does BL term apply to Yuri as well?

Kaoru Chujo

2007-08-07, 16:49

Thus completes the grand slam of self-referencing....In fact, the self-referencing goes even one step further: Ichiko, carrying the umbrella, was played both in Munto2 and here by Shimizu Kaori (http://hashihime.atspace.com/etc/luckystar/charseiyuus.html) (Lain), who happens to be on hand to play Hiyori.

And for another self-reference, that line of Konata's to Kagami during the jiiii.... reading scene that her "face is too close" was said by Sugita Tomokazu to Ono Daisuke during the Suzumiya Haruhi no Gekisou live show. I don't know if it has a history before that, but it may. Perhaps it was a Hirano Aya ad lib.

I too find Misao more and more entertaining. Mizuhara Kaoru (http://hashihime.atspace.com/etc/luckystar/charseiyuus.html) is doing a great job with her voice, and visually that may be the best implementation of snaggle-tooth I've ever seen.

Hiyori, too, is a great combo of good animation and a good script. Her ineffectual guilt over seeing her friends in this way was a great touch. And Minami and Yutaka are...just...great together.

The main writer, Machida Douko, is credited with writing both this ep and ep17. And the storyboard is by the old and new directors together: Yamamoto Yutaka and Takemoto Yasuhiro. I don't know whether this means Yamakan is back working on this show, or Takemoto is just finishing an ep Yamakan started before he left. I see from a list of future staff (on 2channel) that neither of the directors appears as director or storyboarder of any future episode.

AVPlaya

2007-08-07, 17:48

The main writer, Machida Douko, is credited with writing both this ep and ep17. And the storyboard is by the old and new directors together: Yamamoto Yutaka and Takemoto Yasuhiro. I don't know whether this means Yamakan is back working on this show, or Takemoto is just finishing an ep Yamakan started before he left. I see from a list of future staff (on 2channel) that neither of the directors appears as director or storyboarder of any future episode.

I was going to wait for the ref list but I'll point this out now... the is actually a line in this episode that actually parodied what Yamakan wrote after he "resigned" from L*S. He is involved in this EP. I think they've kissed and made up.

kenjiharima

2007-08-07, 18:25

there's already an ep.18?!!

Man 2 days gone by haven't log in...damn need to catch up!

HashiriyaR32

2007-08-07, 18:36

I swear someday anisawa's gonna end up as a pile of pure carbon.

Kryptik

2007-08-07, 18:38

Misao dresses a bit girlier than I expected, coming off kind of Kagura-esque. Still, there's some strange charm about her that I find utterly cute.

And Hiyori feels like the standout of the secondary four. I just love her conflicted self-adominishing. Her voice seems totally perfect for the character! XD

DingoEnderZOE2

2007-08-07, 21:24

Fun episode. Loved the SPW spoof(Still have yet to play that series...), More screen time for all the other side characters(Yutaka's starting to grow on me.),and the "3-second rule" scene.

But one simple quote in this episode really stood out for me, and it was when Konata was saying how she'll make her batteries in her cellphone last twice as long, and the final thought from Kagami in that scene was "She's one of those people who spend so much money of their hobbies, but are stingy when it comes to everything else."

That quote was funny but at the same time I felt a little inner punch to my heart for a bit because of the simple fact that it pretty much describes me as well.:heh:

X207

2007-08-07, 21:55

there's already an ep.18?!!

Man 2 days gone by haven't log in...damn need to catch up!

yup, this speedy fansub group (guerrand) has recently taken on lucky star since ep 17. it took them 2 days to get the ep 18 subs up and running.

kawaiidesu189

2007-08-07, 21:57

It was so funny! especially the part where Kagami made Konata read the manga and she was like "Stareeee~~~~~~~~"
lol

X207

2007-08-07, 22:00

It was so funny! especially the part where Kagami made Konata read the manga and she was like "Stareeee~~~~~~~~"
lol

lol me too. it went on for atleast 10 seconds

i hav to say im impressed with guerrand fansub group

Vexx

2007-08-07, 22:41

I was relatively impressed by the Guerrand translation... and hey I'm planning on buying the R1 anyway if/when it is released so I'm not quite so heavy about "single source" for the subs :)

Mirrinus

2007-08-08, 00:31

Excellent episode. I'm in a pretty good mood today, and watching episodes 17 and 18 back to back helped all the more. In fact, I'm in such a good mood now that I might just try to make another new signature at last.

Showcasing the minor characters was certainly a treat. Misao is just so lovably awesome! I think it's because she acts just like I do when I'm not being serious. I don't know how many times I've pulled that "three second rule" stunt...and that fang of hers! WOOOO!

Minami's thoughts about playing dodgeball with Yutaka was also pretty hilarious. Some people's personalities just aren't suited to those games...but still, she possesses UNLIMITED DODGEBALL WORKS!

Oh, and lest I forget...*staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr eeeeeeeeeee*

lftwgr

2007-08-08, 00:58

My absolute favorite random humor of the week? The FMP / Super Robot Wars spoof match between Konata and Kuroi Sensei.

But I suppose the 'what animal is the character' section also makes my day - I absolutely loved it when Kagami was stressing about why she's a bunny instead of a wolf or tiger.

Kagami also scored highly for her stares in my book. :D

As the show progresses, I find that my favorite character is increasingly shifting towards the tsundere Hiiragi sibling from my initial choice of Konata.

AVPlaya

2007-08-08, 02:10

The following are otaku/fujoshi references in EP18. As usual, I just translate as I read them in chronological order. You guys can add or subtract as you wish. I'll add whatever little I know to it when I can.

PART A:

Konata's grade school aspirations: Vet and lawyer
Possible manga/game inspirations:
Manga - "動物のお医者さん (http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4592881419/syusquizhomep-22/ref=nosim/)" (Animal Doctor)
Game - 逆転裁判 (http://www.capcom.co.jp/newproducts/consumer/gbasaiban/index2.html) (Phoenix Wright I) for the GBA, 2001

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6706/51xfdehgzylaa240uh8.jpghttp://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5763/packagenk6.jpg

The light novel Kagami forced Konata to read:
"君の居た昨日、僕の見る明日１　－STARTING BELL－ (http://www.kadokawa.co.jp/bunko/bk_detail.php?pcd=200405000104)" (The Yesterday of Your Existence, The Tomorrow that I see - Starting Bell)

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/6954/200405000104au9.jpg

Konata's Lament: When Konata said "I have not reached that level yet" in response to Kagami, it's a reference to KyoAni's Yamakan Resignation Announcement (http://www.kyotoanimation.co.jp/info.html), which stated the exact same words: "まだその域に達していないので"

Yamakan self-portrait, taken from his mixi page:
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3756/146789762kq3.jpg

Konata vs Nanako
This scene parodies the "スーパーロボット大戦Ｗ (http://www.suparobo.jp/srw_lineup/srw_w/about/index.html)" (Super Robo Taisen W) game for DS. The two robots are: ARX-7 Arbalest and Venom Plan-1058 Codarl-M from Full Metal Panic!

http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/5366/b000bnczu409lzzzzzzzmh0.jpg

Girls Chasing Each Other in the Rain
The girls in the rain are two characters from "MUNTO(ムント)～時の壁を越えて～ (http://www.munto.com/data/mein/)" ( Munto 2: Beyond the Walls of Time OVA). The first girl is Suzume, and the chasing gilr is Ichiko. This is also a Yamakan anime.

PART B

Tsukasa Manga
The manga Tsukasa's reading is "ラグーンエンジン" (Lagoon Engine) volume 5.

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4319/512ebmsb2wlaa240wv0.jpg

Seme! Uke!
Since Hiyori's automated response to "攻め" (seme, "aggresor" in BL), is "受け" (uke, "receiver" in BL), she is a certified 腐女子 (Fujoshi).

The Nagano Fujoshi Sisters Otaku Idol Group:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3770/20070302hanawa201nt6.jpg

Japan's Three Major Holy Sites
According to Patty, it's not Kamakura, Kyoto, or Nara, but Akibahara (Tokyo), Nipponbashi (http://www.denden-town.or.jp/) (Osaka), and Oosu (Nagoya). Plus Nagano and Kichigyoji as the local Tokyo semi Holy Sites.

Nipponbashi DenDen Town
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/3357/nipponbashi01kr4.jpg

Hiyori's Manga Collection
Some books on Hiroyi-chan's bookshelf. Boy she has some good seinen taste!

"快感フレーズ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaikan_Phrase)" (Kaikan (Sensual) Phrase)
"サンクチュアリ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_(manga))" (Sanctuary) [COOL!]
"MONSTER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_manga)" [Nice!]
"将太の寿司 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/manga.php?id=6657)" (Shota no Sushi) [My favorite cooking manga/dorama]

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/8237/comic1yz9.jpg

Otome Road and K-books
Patty the gaijin otaku was actually giving a tour information to two local girls about the famous Otome Road (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otome_Road) in Ikebukuro. She offered all the important info so I won't repeat it. Like Tora no Ana at Akiba, K-Books (http://www.k-books.co.jp/) at Otome Road is where the hardcore gather for their doujin needs.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3682/otome4mp9.jpghttp://img241.imageshack.us/img241/783/otmoe11yz8.jpg
Image Credit (http://patrickmacias.blogs.com/er/2006/04/hime_gumi.html).

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Finally done! Corrections welcome!

fallenangelash

2007-08-08, 02:19

apparently a.f.k is dropping L*S....:S

Vexx

2007-08-08, 03:55

fallenangelash

2007-08-08, 04:23

got a cite for that? ...... I'd go visit their irc channel but they probably don't like me very much :)

I'm more concerned about EnA ..... they've kind of gotten very quiet since ep 11 -- but their website sort of implicitly suggests the summer might be a quiet time.

Hopefully, Guerrand will be able to maintain their pace for now...

i went to their irc channel. thats where they said it .... but they say its "licenced" but i think they are just saying that... or are they?

anywho... guerrand is doing a pretty good job of subbing, but i'm the kinda person that likes all their subs by the one sub group... lol..... and i reckon some others are like that too.

Deathkillz

2007-08-08, 08:54

ahh the new cast is great! :D

best gag has to be the 3 second rule (honestly ive seen longer happening) and the "drawing manga" part...really really funny :)

end fails again...im kinda hoping that akira would beat shiraishi up a bit more often :/

Claies

2007-08-08, 09:31

They pulled the manga strips out very nicely. I especially like how they pulled off "Izumi Konata, the 3rd Year" scene. With no insult intended to the mangaka, I think this sort of depiction just can't be pulled off on paper. This one gets a 9.

I'm still wondering what makes Konata so reluctant to read light novels (or possibly any text in particular). Could she have ADHD, which also makes studying a chore for her?

The disorder typically presents itself during childhood, and is characterized by a persistent pattern of inattention and/or hyperactivity, as well as forgetfulness, poor impulse control or impulsivity, and distractibility.
If she does have that, then she can't study, can't read any substantial volume of text, tends to distract anything productive into video games, forgets where her cell phone is, and derives most of her entertainment from pictures like manga and anime. The only odd thing out for this theory is that she can memorize the answer key for Kagami's quiz game.

About A.F.K. stopping...I don't think it's licensing, unless they got a C&D from Bandai. Bandai would be spreading themselves too thin if they try Lucky Star too. It's probably because they diverted their attention to Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and perhaps found L*S a bit too challenging to sub...which, to their credit, it is.

Vexx

2007-08-08, 12:42

i went to their irc channel. thats where they said it .... but they say its "licenced" but i think they are just saying that... or are they?

anywho... guerrand is doing a pretty good job of subbing, but i'm the kinda person that likes all their subs by the one sub group... lol..... and i reckon some others are like that too.

At the moment, I'd say someone was just blowing steam at the a.f.k. channel --- even the *rumor* of licensing would be spurting all over the anime channels and forums.

I'm more of Claies' mind -- that they're distracted by the new shiny of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. Notice the SZS release rate. Couple that with the minor "heat" they've been taking for their localization of Lucky*Star since ep 1 and the thrill may be wearing thin for them. That's pure speculation of course based on the few clues observed.

Yes, I'm also obsessive that way, I prefer to collect a series using just one group (continuity, style, and all that) especially if I'm pretty sure snowballs from Hell are more likely than an R1 release.
After the apocalyptic signs of PPD, TMP, AIR, and a few others getting R1 treatment (while other gems like petopetosan, lamune, REC, Mahoraba languish) --- I can't make *any* assumptions about what is likely to get licensed anymore.

I've been most fond of EnA's style and translation comparatively ... but they've been taking a summer break (implicit clues with the 9/10/11 release pack), so it may be September before we see more of L*S from them. In the meantime, no complaints from me about Guerrand. :)

kenjiharima

2007-08-08, 12:56

Lucky Star licenced?!! Omg even if it's a rumor it's big news...I haven't even seen the subs yet for this ep. :(

AVPlaya

2007-08-08, 13:02

Man the fansub situation is confusing... I've decided to hide both of my ref posts since I guess fansub's harder to find now.

Vexx

2007-08-08, 13:15

Lucky Star licenced?!! Omg even if it's a rumor it's big news...I haven't even seen the subs yet for this ep. :(No it ISN'T A RUMOR!!! Don't even start that! IT ISN'T ANY "NEWS".

For now it is just some dork noise from an irc channel with no substance. A noise with no basis is only news if you're a World Weekly News reporter....

it might as well be the "news" that President Bush watches Pokemon for inspiration ("General! I choose YOU! (this week)")

Meophist

2007-08-08, 13:17

I don't really think Konata has ADD or ADHD. She actually seems pretty normal on the mental front.

kenjiharima

2007-08-08, 13:20

No it ISN'T A RUMOR!!! Don't even start that! IT ISN'T ANY "NEWS".

For now it is just some dork noise from an irc channel with no substance. A noise with no basis is only news if you're a World Weekly News reporter....

Oh i see ~_~lll

Bahh...whoever said that on irc channel really is a dork. No an ass :frustrated:

AVPlaya

2007-08-08, 13:24

I don't really think Konata has ADD or ADHD. She actually seems pretty normal on the mental front.

I don't think anyone with ADD can play MMOs for 3 days straight... :)

Vexx

2007-08-08, 13:29

AVPlaya

2007-08-08, 13:38

The only reason Kona doesn't read much is that she hasn't found something yet that grabs her attention --- if Kagamin gets her hooked on something, she'll insulate her room with those kinds of books.

Thanks for sharing, Vexx-dono. It sounds like Kona may indeed have ADD then. I guess we really don't know much about it...

I think the reason most Japanese kids refrain from reading prose books is the fact that many of them really sucks at kanji. It's hard reading an adult book without furigana if you're kanji level isn't up to par. That's why every single Japanese electronic dictionary has a huge kanji dictionary; most Japanese actually use them to look up kanji instead of another language like we would imagine. I have a feeling both Kona and Tsukasa has this issue, as we can tell by the hard time Tsukasa had reading a news paper.

Meophist

2007-08-08, 13:42

I actually have Asperger's Syndrome so hyperfocusing on some things while having difficult on focusing on other things was a part of that. This became a big problem for me and is the reason I no longer read books. If I start reading, I have difficulty stopping before I finish.

Vexx

2007-08-08, 13:44

aye.. good point. I should point out that though Kona exhibits many traits of an ADD person, we really can't call her one for sure since she isn't diagnosed.

It really isn't a binary state, its a spectrum diagnosis. Fundamentally, its a description of brain wiring and biochemical reactions. Being easily distracted has value if you're on the lookout for predators... less value in other environments. Same for hyperfocus, it has value in stalking and problem solving ... but less so when you have to juggle multiple tasks.

Asperger's is sometimes mistaken for autism or ADD... the problem is that all these labels are pretty much *descriptions* of behavior patterns and there is overlap. Even "normal" people (whoever those are) have traits that overlap with many of the labels. You have to think of the labels as "conditional blobby" descriptions.

Sometimes I point out that everyone "has" cancer... its just that in most people the immune system does a very good job of smacking the errant cells. Was that random? :)

Meophist

2007-08-08, 13:57

Risaa

2007-08-08, 14:39

I'm not going to get into it, but *most* people do have some sort of psychological "problem" (whether it's a problem or not depends on the individual and to what degree problem is present). It's simply that most individuals go untreated. Heck, more than likely *I* have something but I'm too shy to visit a doctor. :p

I'm more of Claies' mind -- that they're distracted by the new shiny of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. Notice the SZS release rate. Couple that with the minor "heat" they've been taking for their localization of Lucky*Star since ep 1 and the thrill may be wearing thin for them. That's pure speculation of course based on the few clues observed.Going to be a little off-topic here: L*S has a bunch of subbers subbing it (or claim to be) whereas Zetsubou Sensei only has one -- a.f.k.. This is really just a guess, but it may be that because there's no other subbers doing Zetsubou Sensei, people will not complain to them about their localization (that and many viewers don't care/like it that way... not to mention, I can just see whiners [[like myself :( ]] getting flamed to death). They're very proficient subbers, don't get me wrong. It's that their localization, and the degree to which they take it, is left a bit more unnoticed when there's no other releases to compare them to, and those who can understand enough Japanese to get all the puns probably wouldn't care to say anything... At least that's what I think.

bayoab

2007-08-08, 14:47

Regarding the whole having ADD/ADHD thing, you also need to remember that the normal average teenager currently has a ~3 second attention span when it comes to media and recreation. Konata does not act like someone who has an inability to focus. She just has things she rather be doing that do not involve work.

Also, there are those who read so much text online that they will tend to not want to read printed media.

And on the random side note, the news in the a.f.k. channel topic is factually correct.

Vexx

2007-08-08, 16:47

That a.f.k is dropping it or that its been licensed? Source? Reference? I'm fine if its true but we know how rumors roam the Net....

Luminisk

2007-08-08, 17:17

That a.f.k is dropping it or that its been licensed? Source? Reference? I'm fine if its true but we know how rumors roam the Net....

Yes... I'd like a link to the source also, I quite skeptical that LS would get licensed.

First off, It's a localization nightmare; too much cultural *in* jokes and yes... talking, I can't even imagine what it'll sound like getting dubbed.

Vexx

2007-08-08, 19:28

Oh, I imagine we'll see it licensed for R1 (probably via the same route as SHnY) and its been shown that a good job *can* be done (e.g. PaniPoniDash) with quirky cultural reference shows.

Neither I nor any of the usual suspects (I've also got folks over at some other forums looking as well as some other sources) have found any announcements or data from any of the usual channels So unless a.f.k. got a C&D or a private letter.... all I can label it as is "unverified".

rooboy

2007-08-08, 23:30

Actually.. I have ADD (not ADHD), diagnosed by a neurologist. *snip for space*My wife is diagnosed with ADD and so is my son, and they are both also able to concentrate on something for long periods of time - as long as it interests them. What they have problems doing is dealing with multiple things at once and distinguishing between what they should be doing. ADD is not characterized by short attention spans unless the subject is bored.

Yes... I'd like a link to the source also, I quite skeptical that LS would get licensed.

First off, It's a localization nightmare; too much cultural *in* jokes and yes... talking, I can't even imagine what it'll sound like getting dubbed.I don't really see why this would be a big deal - like Vexx said, Pani Poni Dash got licensed. Not only that, but Excel Saga, Negima!? and Hare + Guu were all licensed as well. Also, culturally difficult shows like Kamichu, AIR, Azumanga Daioh and Strawberry Marshmallow have all been licensed. There is nothing really intrinsic to Lucky Star that would be more difficult than those shows offered. Though I think it would probably be better handled if ADV ends up with it rather than, say, Funimation.

Also, unless they got a C&D letter, this rumor seems kind of artificial. I mean, look at the explosion caused by the Kanon 2006 trailers that animeondvd discovered on ADV's site, or the leaked news about possibile Marimite and Zero no Tsukaima licenses from Diamond's catalog earlier this year. I sort of think if there was something similar for Lucky Star we would have seen something. Though if they were served with a C&D that might make sense (and also, funnily enough, probably tell us who licensed it). :)

Vexx

2007-08-09, 00:34

Friend of mine in another forum went to the irc channel and asked point blank. The answer was "we said it was and that's all you need to know"

So, with the facts at hand, the best analysis is:
1) they've dropped it to do SZS.
2) its still unlicensed.
3) they're being tight-lipped for undetermined reasons, only insisting its been licensed.
4) the trackers are all still up for existing episodes.

There is no evidence to support any other view for now other than a possibility they're just pranking.

We still have other subbers doing a nice job -- one is fast if lean, the others appear to be on summer break for now.

The only wry comment I have is to wonder why anyone would think that an unverified assertion would be accepted uncritically :)

Luminisk

2007-08-09, 00:37

It's a pity since they're the only group up until now that have been releasing regularly.

Guess I'll bite the bullet and download the guerrand ones.

P.S. O.o they have .ass files I don't have to download whole episodes again.

Vexx

2007-08-09, 00:43

aye.. those who have the raws can just snap the .ass files at Guerrand's website. I am hoping EnA picks it up again when school starts, but til then the Guerrand people are appreciated.

I suspect it is pretty much a given that this series *will* be licensed for R1 at some point -- probably as SHnY's production tails off (?).

Luminisk

2007-08-09, 01:00

Yeah, things sure are tight-lipped.

I guess we'll wait and see how things develops.

Slice of Life

2007-08-09, 05:23

they're distracted by the new shiny of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. Notice the SZS release rate. Couple that with the minor "heat" they've been taking for their localization of Lucky*Star since ep 1 and the thrill may be wearing thin for them.

L*S has a bunch of subbers subbing it (or claim to be) whereas Zetsubou Sensei only has one -- a.f.k.. This is really just a guess, but it may be that because there's no other subbers doing Zetsubou Sensei, people will not complain to them about their localization (that and many viewers don't care/like it that way... not to mention, I can just see whiners [[like myself :( ]] getting flamed to death).

I hardly follow the discussions in the Lucky Star folder or any folder dedicated to single anime for that matter; it's way too time-consuming. And Lucky star isn't exactly high on my list. I just came here to find out if I should wait for a.f.k. or jump onto the Guerrand train (Meanwhile I've watched ep 17). So I don't know about the amount of flames they got. I do remember however how people screamed bloody murder when they translated "moe" as "turn-on". So I assume it was something like that.

So for the records: I can't remember any localizations in a.f.k.'s LS subs in the real sense of the word. If you want a prime example for real localization buy the first LovCom manga by Viz (which you should do in any case :p) and you'll see how heights given in centimeters, the globally preferred units of measurements were converted into feet and inches which are only locally (sic!) used. "turn-on" is not a local term. "moe" is about as local as things can get (I don't even know if the standard non-otaku Japanese knows the otaku-meaning of the word.) So if anything, a.f.k. is guilty of "globalization". (Which can also be said about all professional translators, including those who translate real *books* for a well-educated audience, not just anime for Joe Sixpack.)

I would complain if translators introduced American popcultural references, transformed riceballs into donuts or simply renamed the whole cast to Andy, Mandy, Sandy, and Randy. But I find nothing dishonorable about translating into standard English as opposed to otaku English even though I understand and accept both. Guerrand's constant translation of XYZ-neesan as sister XYZ irked me though. This is an anime, not a convent. Leave it at XYZ-neesan (otaku English) or make it simply XYZ (standard English).

(Very) long story (very) short: I was perfectly satisfied with the a.f.k. subs and I hope they didn't drop LS (if they really did) as a reaction to flames. I'm looking forward to more stuff from them.

Kurogane_Shiroikaze

2007-08-09, 05:43

Anyone has any idea what the light novel that Kagamin "jiiiiiiiiii~"ed on Konata this episode was about? The author's Ichiro Sakaki, who did the Scrapped Princess novels and I'd like to know what his latest work is about.

shiro83

2007-08-09, 05:48

WanderingKnight

2007-08-09, 05:55

So for the records: I can't remember any localizations in a.f.k.'s LS subs in the real sense of the word. If you want a prime example for real localization buy the first LovCom manga by Viz (which you should do in any case :p) and you'll see how heights given in centimeters, the globally preferred units of measurements were converted into feet and inches which are only locally (sic!) used. "turn-on" is not a local term. "moe" is about as local as things can get (I don't even know if the standard non-otaku Japanese knows the otaku-meaning of the word.) So if anything, a.f.k. is guilty of "globalization". (Which can also be said about all professional translators, including those who translate real *books* for a well-educated audience, not just anime for Joe Sixpack.) The term localization in translation is used exactly for what you used the term globalization. Besides, it can be just as well argued that the term globalization is a pretentious one--who says in every single country they understand the term "turn on"? Even more--you're talking about a term in a single language; English, even when it's the lingua franca right now, is not a language understood by the whole world.

Localization at a large scale doesn't necessarily mean direct references to a single country's culture--and this applies even more when you have more than four countries that speak the same language.

Just to note, localization is not actually an "official" translation method (at least according to the authors I've read so far). There are a plethora of different methods, many of which are covered at large by "localization".

Slice of Life

2007-08-09, 06:42

The term localization in translation is used exactly for what you used the term globalization.

I know that, but it's still a badly chosen term which throws two very different things together, and all the gray areas in between. Read "in the real sense of the word" as "in the literal sense of the word" if you like that better.

Just to note, localization is not actually an "official" translation method (at least according to the authors I've read so far). There are a plethora of different methods, many of which are covered at large by "localization".
Again, that depends on how you interpret the term. Professional translators of fictional texts will avoid leaving terms untranslated. They will not replace untranslatable terms by completely different terms of similar cultural status however. I'm OK with the former and don't see a.f.k. being guilty of the latter.

Risaa

2007-08-09, 12:27

I hardly follow the discussions in the Lucky Star folder or any folder dedicated to single anime for that matter; it's way too time-consuming. And Lucky star isn't exactly high on my list. I just came here to find out if I should wait for a.f.k. or jump onto the Guerrand train (Meanwhile I've watched ep 17). So I don't know about the amount of flames they got. I do remember however how people screamed bloody murder when they translated "moe" as "turn-on". So I assume it was something like that.

So for the records: I can't remember any localizations in a.f.k.'s LS subs in the real sense of the word. If you want a prime example for real localization buy the first LovCom manga by Viz (which you should do in any case :p) and you'll see how heights given in centimeters, the globally preferred units of measurements were converted into feet and inches which are only locally (sic!) used. "turn-on" is not a local term. "moe" is about as local as things can get (I don't even know if the standard non-otaku Japanese knows the otaku-meaning of the word.) So if anything, a.f.k. is guilty of "globalization". (Which can also be said about all professional translators, including those who translate real *books* for a well-educated audience, not just anime for Joe Sixpack.)

I would complain if translators introduced American popcultural references, transformed riceballs into donuts or simply renamed the whole cast to Andy, Mandy, Sandy, and Randy. But I find nothing dishonorable about translating into standard English as opposed to otaku English even though I understand and accept both. Guerrand's constant translation of XYZ-neesan as sister XYZ irked me though. This is an anime, not a convent. Leave it at XYZ-neesan (otaku English) or make it simply XYZ (standard English).

(Very) long story (very) short: I was perfectly satisfied with the a.f.k. subs and I hope they didn't drop LS (if they really did) as a reaction to flames. I'm looking forward to more stuff from them.
This is the sort of thing I'm avoiding in the Zetsubou Sensei thread... there's only one thread there and I'd hate to start up a possible "let's talk about how a.f.k. is good/bad" discussion -- I'd much rather leave it alone and everyone to just continue talking about how much they love the series. :)

I think it's great that you like a.f.k., really. I mentioned that I think they're great subbers; they do a good job and work hard at it -- I almost wish I could be just as satisfied. :(

Edit: Wow! I actually snuck in before Vexx. There's a first time for everything... Of course, his post is 10x greater than mine. :)

Vexx

2007-08-09, 12:29

One of my sidejobs is to translate the messages from a hardware diagnostics and test tool made by a local company that used by both Japanese and English speakers. More than a few of the terms used run into localization issues and sometimes I'll have to talk to the originator to get a better idea of the "spirit" of the message. (e.g. "The doorway of the XYZ piece is open" ->"The chip's XYZ module functionality is active.")

Professionally, "localization" means to adapt alien material for a target audience so that it doesn't feel alien or foreign to them. It a term that's been "stolen" from the software development jargon as best as I can tell.

Here's what wiki says, "Localization is the adaptation of an object to a locality. An example is in software localization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_localization), where the messages that a program presents to a user need to be translated into various languages. Language localization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_localization) refers to the process of adapting a language for a specific country or region. " (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Localization)

This may mean changing idiomatic expressions (e.g. "What's up?"), proverbial references (e.g. "He rose like Lazurus."), or anything that might make the audience uncomfortable because it ain't like home (e.g. mochi==donuts).

a.f.k. hasn't been spotted doing the third one but they have done the first two. Whether it works or not depends on the expectation of the viewer.
Changing food words (e.g. 'donburi' -> 'rice bowl' or 'yakisoba'->panfried noodles') may seem very unnecessary to anyone who even infrequently eats asian food. Puns can be much trickier as can the word game 'shiritori'. It also depends on whether one wants to expand the viewer's horizon or commit the insult of underestimating the audience.

Dropping the honorifics and not coming up with some sort of speech formal style to account for relationship changes is really problematic, especially in romance or slice-of-life programs. Even many of the manga translations recognize that and at least put a guide in the preface.

No, there's not really a 'right' answer but, at least in my opinion, what a.f.k. does works fine for something like, say, Cowboy Bebop or Death Note... but not as well for things like Lucky*Star, Hidamari Sketch, etc. I feel it is better to modify one's translation rules depending on the various parameters.

AVPlaya

2007-08-09, 13:33

Oyoyo, can we talk about this in the general thread? This EP is pretty nice, we can find more thing to talk about it, neh?

I personally thought the Lucky * Animal segment was hilarious... I think Kona really really knows Kagami well knowing that the deredere part of the Tsundere is like bunny rabbit... and she hits nail on the head when Kagami blushes... oh, you can see in Kagamin's deredere heart she longs to be a bunny... but how many ppl will really say that without knowing her well? Kona is a scary little otaku...

I also don't agree with Minami being an Eagle... she doesn't seem to be full of pride to me, like an Eagle would, but she's rather self-conscious and probably the nicest girl in the show. Not at all aggressive, just a bit of a loner. She seemed more like a shy furry type animal to me.. not sure which one... Yui-nee-chan is more like a Tigress than a Leopard to me.. Leopards are slender and graceful creatures who likes solitude... Yui-nee-chan ain't graceful, and she sure as hell doesn't like being alone.

rooboy

2007-08-09, 13:42

Y'know, I was thinking about that at the time - I don't like the idea of Minami being an Eagle either. Really more like an elephant to me, sort of majestic, kind of shy. On the other hand, I think that really reflected more Yutaka's perception of Minami than Minami herself. Each of Kagami's observations showed insight into the person (except Miyuki, but that was obviously the gag), but Minami's showed insight into herself.

Vexx

2007-08-09, 14:03

Was that Minami as eagle?? I took it as angelic (angel of mercy)... .more like Setsuna-cool I guess.

Deathkillz

2007-08-09, 15:52

i like the idea minami as an eagle...as you can see she is full of pride and dominance in a mysterious sort of way :3

Anh_Minh

2007-08-09, 16:04

She isn't prideful or dominating. A bit aloof, maybe. She's really more shy than anything.

Also, do the Japanese see the eagle as westerners do?

archanfels

2007-08-09, 19:27

She isn't prideful or dominating. A bit aloof, maybe. She's really more shy than anything.

Also, do the Japanese see the eagle as westerners do?

I believe so, as Oscar Von Reuental from Legend of Galactic Heroes(a quite influential work), one of the most prideful characters out there, is constantly described as a black eagle.

That being said, I agree that eagle is more of a reflection of Yutaka's perception of Minami than Minami herself, and Yutaka, as innocent/naive as she is, just wanted to pick something "cool" for the best friend she looks up to.

Also agree w/ many of you that out of the new cast Misao is outstandingly adorable (in fact I've liked her since her first appearance), the hairstyle, the attitude, the fang, the voice! and the situational 3 seconds rule, wish to see her more :D

Hazelshock

2007-08-09, 22:21

anyone know what date does episode 19 air?

DragoonKain3

2007-08-09, 22:38

EDIT
^ Usually Sunday, no?

Wait a minute, I thought I posted my thoughts on this ep? I guess I forgot to click the post button. >_>

Episode was great. I'm too lazy to retype everything though lol, but Kagami stare was the best.

But is Hiyori really a Fujoshi? I thought that term only applied to the yaoi fangirl aka Patty. Hiyori seems to be into shoujo-ai (imagining her friends in that relationship), but she's very familiar with shounen-ai lingo. Are the books in her shelf lean more into either side, I wonder...

Speaking of which, they should show Kona, Hiyori, and Patty going to comiket and highlight the differences on what they shop, lol.

Good thing about Guerrand subs is that if the character's faces are on the very bottom, they have the courtesy of actually putting the subs up top. That's what bothered me in every fansub group lol.

In terms of AFK dropping the subs, it may be put in hiatus for all we know. I mean, I'm a big fan of animal yokocho which is seemingly dropped, but I know it still gets episodes here and there. So LS might be on the same boat. After all, IIRC AFK is basically a one man group (one person does the three T's and the two E's but they have some people here and there for QC and distro). It's tough enough to do that for one series as a multi-person fansub group, but two series being done by one person? I think AFK is just more interested in SZS right now, so if anything LS is on hiatus.

Then again it may really be dropped, like some series of AFK's before it. Maybe Bayoab can give us some insight, though it looks like he hasn't been in this part of the boards as of late.

crall

2007-08-09, 23:58

Good thing about Guerrand subs is that if the character's faces are on the very bottom, they have the courtesy of actually putting the subs up top. That's what bothered me in every fansub group lol.

It's kind of Ironic, but this is actually one of the few things with the Guerrand subs that annoy me.:)

I understand why they did it and a applaud them for the initiative. But, for me, it doesn't work.
It might be that I lack an ability that most people have, but when the subs are placed that far away from the "action" I find it difficult to see whats happening on the screen.
As a result I had to pause and rewind a couple of times in ep 18, and ignore the subs the second time I watched the scene, just to see what actually happened.

This isn't that big of a deal and considering the overall quality of the subs, especially for a speed sub, I'm more than happy with their work.

As there's no real point in me regurgitating what people have already said. I will abstain from giving my view on ep 18, even though this is the ep 18 discussion forum.:D

AVPlaya

2007-08-10, 00:21

Also, do the Japanese see the eagle as westerners do?

I'm not certain but I know that Samurais keep Hawks (I don't think there are bald-headed eagle in Japan) as hunting pets. I don't know if there are noble attributes to them; it's probably something worthy looking into.

I believe so, as Oscar Von Reuental from Legend of Galactic Heroes(a quite influential work), one of the most prideful characters out there, is constantly described as a black eagle.

I think that's more because the entire LGH saga is modeled after the German culture, and Germans, like other western civilization, get their idea of the proud Eagle from the Romans. Every Roman Army Standard has the Eagle on top (which Hitler copied).

^ Usually Sunday, no?

I think it's Sunday night at midnight or Monday morning.

But is Hiyori really a Fujoshi? I thought that term only applied to the yaoi fangirl aka Patty. Hiyori seems to be into shoujo-ai (imagining her friends in that relationship), but she's very familiar with shounen-ai lingo. Are the books in her shelf lean more into either side, I wonder...

Her Fujoshi status was confirmed when she countered "seme" with "uke". :) She's into way more than BL... There are Yaoi doujin hidden in her secret hiding place I'm sure. She probably was at COMIKET 88 like Kona, but she was there during Yaoi day wearing a mask. :)

I really wish there are more Misao and the BL first graders in future episodes.. their adventures are way more interesting....

Kaoru Chujo

2007-08-10, 00:25

anyone know what date does episode 19 air?The first airing is in Chiba Sunday night at midnight, Japan time (as I see AVPlaya has already said). That's 11am Sunday in the eastern US.

Psycho Power J

2007-08-10, 01:06

Actually.. I have ADD (not ADHD), diagnosed by a neurologist. Despite the "zone out" issue ... ADD types have the ability to *hyperfocus* (some scientists think Newton had ADD because of his personality, quirks, and the ability to completely absorb himself in a math problem for days at a time). -snip-
Actually Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) is the same thing as Attention Deficit-Hyperactivity Disorder, which is the newer revised term. Hyperactivity appears associated with attention deficit to varying degrees. But rather than Attention Deficit, it's better to call it an Attention INHIBITION Disorder.

It's like having a radio with a screwy tuner. Sometimes, you're barely tuning into a station and broadcasts from different frequencies overlap with what you're listening to. Other times, it's spot on and you receive the signal crystal-clear.

And while Konata seem a good candidate for ADHD, MIYUKI is probably the one that fits it the most. From her habit of hyperfocusing when reading, to losing track of things whenever her attention is occupied by something else, she fits the bill. It's obviously inherited, so she's probably like that ever since she was young.

While forgetting things in the microwave rarely happens (it did happen) to me because of the signal when it stops, I've left the stove on more than a few times and cause more than one fire. :heh:

I also don't agree with Minami being an Eagle... she doesn't seem to be full of pride to me, like an Eagle would, but she's rather self-conscious and probably the nicest girl in the show. Not at all aggressive, just a bit of a loner. She seemed more like a shy furry type animal to me.. not sure which one... Yui-nee-chan is more like a Tigress than a Leopard to me.. Leopards are slender and graceful creatures who likes solitude... Yui-nee-chan ain't graceful, and she sure as hell doesn't like being alone.
Minami doesn't fit any kind of a predator. She's more like a reindeer to me. A bit skittish, but has physical power.

Tigers are just as much a loner as leopards are. ;) Yui seems more like a seal to me. Get depressed without her mate and likes lying around basking in the shore.

Alesiopdv

2007-08-10, 05:24

Those animal are simple anime steorotypes that not relate to the actual caracter personality. See Konata logic for Miyuki. Yutaka just thinks her girlfriend is cool and mysterious thats why the eagle.

The general thread carry on this but....who is Taniguchi writing to? He is making a huge speech and the BAM cellphone cellphone and Akira-sama yells at him, jaja so funny.

Ahh this romance is pretty cute. Surely Shiraishi and Fukuhara are dating on real life. And they seem to be since episode 15, someone mencion that Tsukasa found Shiraishi atracctive at the concert.

I personally dont think Tayuri is gay, she si more like "Arrgh, I cant think this of my friends"

WanderingKnight

2007-08-10, 05:53

I know AVPlaya asked to end the subject here, but this is just a quickie:

Again, that depends on how you interpret the term. Professional translators of fictional texts will avoid leaving terms untranslated. They will not replace untranslatable terms by completely different terms of similar cultural status however.Yes, they will, depending on the source text, the target language and the target readership. The way you approach a translation depends a lot on the context of the translation itself. And professional translators aren't people that always translate when possible or that have a single approach to a given subject--they are those who understand when it's okay to do so and when it is completely unnecessary and even hurtful for the final product.

(BTW, I'm studying English translation myself, so I have some idea of what I'm talking about :))

rooboy

2007-08-10, 10:01

And while Konata seem a good candidate for ADHD, MIYUKI is probably the one that fits it the most. From her habit of hyperfocusing when reading, to losing track of things whenever her attention is occupied by something else, she fits the bill. It's obviously inherited, so she's probably like that ever since she was young.

While forgetting things in the microwave rarely happens (it did happen) to me because of the signal when it stops, I've left the stove on more than a few times and cause more than one fire. :heh:This is actually what I thought as well. My wife frequently sticks things in the microwave and wanders off to do something, forgetting it for several hours. Just as bad, she will frequently walk off in the middle of preparing dinner "for a few minutes" and not come back until hours later, during which time I finished whatever she was cooking and turned off everything.

And don't even get me started on how often I have to check the kitchen, just to make sure she hasn't left a burner or the oven on. :)

Anyway, to sum up, Miyuki seems more like she's actually suffering from ADD.

truehappiness

2007-08-10, 12:04

Lucky Star 17 and 18 are now out subbed by a.f.k.!

Drama over nothing! :p

Vexx

2007-08-10, 12:20

eyup.... as I suspected in ep 17 thread.... there was a prank in progress about the licensing. I don't mind the pranks. I'm more annoyed by the response to them --> as the "omigod is that true? Aiee!!" waves of people who seem to believe anything they read because someone said it on the net.... :) Remember, when someone claims something that seems amazing or scary, always ask for the cite or reference and verify it. Note: verification does not mean asking other random people.... :)

Calawain

2007-08-10, 14:21

arias

2007-08-10, 16:03

Nice episode, but very visibly animated by either a B-team, or under serious time constraints. Worst animated episode of the series for me - which is still a darn high standard.

Claies

2007-08-10, 19:41

Holy crap. I can't believe I missed this one.

http://hontouni.com/souomou/images/luckystar/luckystar18_09.jpg

Kyuusai

2007-08-10, 20:31

Holy crap. I can't believe I missed this one.

http://hontouni.com/souomou/images/luckystar/luckystar18_09.jpg

You must not wear glasses. :p
When I still wore glasses, I pushed them up with my middle finger all the time, as do many. It's just easier, since it's the longest one.

Don't be surprised, though, if you ever see people in several Asian countries pointing with that finger.

Claies

2007-08-10, 20:42

You must not wear glasses. :p
When I still wore glasses, I pushed them up with my middle finger all the time, as do many. It's just easier, since it's the longest one.

Don't be surprised, though, if you ever see people in several Asian countries pointing with that finger.

...I really should know that. (No, I don't wear glasses, miraculously)

Kaioshin Sama

2007-08-10, 21:05

Gsus

2007-08-10, 21:21

The magic of the internet, someone makes something up and it spins way out of control until people start believing that it's true. Now if someone watched both subs and could compare them for us that would be neato~

Why am I doing this late at night? Yawn~~~~

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Guerrand's on top, a.f.k.'s recei-, on the bottom.

Small differences, though I prefer a.f.k.'s translation of the seme - uke joke and overall flow of the script. There's no such thing as bottom in sports (unless you're the victim of a American Football / rugby pile-up ;)). Then again, "inner side"?

Mirrinus

2007-08-10, 22:09

You must not wear glasses. :p
When I still wore glasses, I pushed them up with my middle finger all the time, as do many. It's just easier, since it's the longest one.

Don't be surprised, though, if you ever see people in several Asian countries pointing with that finger.

Heh, that's why I always push up my glasses with two fingers. Even if my index finger can't actually reach the bridge of my glasses before my middle finger does, at least it can't be misconstrued.

Psycho Power J

2007-08-10, 23:41

I've got ADHD and OCD so that probably explains a hell of a lot. I wonder what it's like without the Hyperactive part. I would describe ADHD as being like a permanent high.ADHD people all have hyperactivity/impulsiveness to some degree, some being more hyperactive and some being more inattentive, and some are a balance of both. Predominantly Inattentive types generally refers to the space-case (which Miyuki would fall under) who would often zone out. They're less obvious then the Predominantly Hyperactive/Impulsive (what most think ADHD people are) and Combined types.

It seems in the 4-koma strips, Miyuki's behavior changes when playing video games. Wonder if we'll see her more impulsive side then?

SSkyy

2007-08-11, 01:08

Why am I doing this late at night? Yawn~~~~

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Guerrand's on top, a.f.k.'s recei-, on the bottom.

Small differences, though I prefer a.f.k.'s translation of the seme - uke joke and overall flow of the script. There's no such thing as bottom in sports (unless you're the victim of a American Football / rugby pile-up ;)). Then again, "inner side"?

Yeah, that had me confused for a while.

Kinny Riddle

2007-08-11, 04:58

Holy crap. I can't believe I missed this one.

http://hontouni.com/souomou/images/luckystar/luckystar18_09.jpg
Missed what? I do that all the time when pushing up my specs. People hardly even notice which finger I used.

Like someone said before, drama over nothing. Just because a.f.k.'s gone quiet for a while, people just assume they've dropped the show. Perhaps these people who jump so quickly to conclusion ought to consider working for those notorious British tabloids.

Sorrow-K

2007-08-11, 08:18

If a.f.k. drop this series, I'd almost be half tempted to do the same. I find it a hassle to change fansubbers after sticking loyally to the same one for the entire course of the series, so it's something I only do if I have no other option. I'd see a.f.k. dropping this series as the straw that breaks the camel's back, since I'd no longer see a reason to stick with a show I'm not enjoying all the much.

Although, with that said, this ep wasn't totally bad. I found the first half of it boring, and thought I was in for another mediocre mess like the last ep, but the second half redeemed it somewhat. I find the new characters slightly more fresh and interesting, but that's mostly because I find the old characters stale and boring now. Their gags are done, I think, and it looks like the introduction of a new set of characters was necessary to spark a bit of life into this anime.

As per usual, Lucky Channel and Shiraishi ED were a total waste of time.

Some quick comments after watching a RAW. While I am thrilled that they referenced FMP!-TSR, Nanoka emulating Gates is the stuff of nightmares. One of the most riveting and highly depraved villains in fiction.
Gates was eccentric and certainly riveting to watch, since he was so unpredictable, but I wouldn't say he's one of the best villains ever (yes, I know you didn't, but it's an interesting talking-point, and I feel compelled to bring it up... for some reason). My problem with Gates is that all he ever was was a bad-guy... an antagonist for Sousuke to fight, and little more than that; hell, you could almost say he was a plot-device. He was a great antagonist, but a one-dimensional character. He was very memorable, though, that's for sure.

shinku no kage

2007-08-11, 19:59

This ep is a WIN!! 10/10!! My most fav since ep.10 and 16!! \(>w<)/

Key events(?)
-The animal within: Konata comes out of the blue with the discussion but its a win. I'd figured her as a cat though...but the fox still works. All the other chars were pretty dead on. I just wonder...what about the rest of the cast? (o.O)?

-Tsukasa asks "THE" question. (o_O) What is "moe"!? Ummmmmmm....

-Kagamin butchers Tsukasa's fantasy of owning a dog...only to admit that she's had the same idea. Felt a bit uneasy while she was beating her sisters fantasy to death though.^^;

-Out of the blue but the "Full Metal Panic" scene. WIN!! No reason for it but...who cares!? Kuroi-sensei calls Konata "MY HONEY!!"...that opened the door to a new world for a lot of ppl out there. ^^;

-The new members get more time on the show: Minami, Hiyori, Misao, and Patricia. Misao and Minami has been showing up the last 2eps and Patricia debuted on ep.16. As for Hiyorin...she made a real brief appearance during ep.12 but...she didnt say or do anything then so this is her real debut. A LOT of her personality is shown too. Hell, she even gets a scene taking place at her home and we get a look at her work. NICE. Misao gets a bit more about her personality out there too. I say a character like her is a bit rare these days. By that I mean the "yaeba" (the fang) character. Maybe its just the selection of anime I watch but the only recent "fang" chars I've seen are....Kuroi sensei and Tsuruya from "Haruhi". (O_O) Yeah, thats it...not counting characters that are vampires. LOL

-Patricias' journey. *claps* I too hope that one day I will travel the same road...although I might stay away from the "Otome Road".^^;

Moments I enjoyed
-Miyuki san's eye training session...I'm trying it out. (=^=)
-Dodge ball time!! Minami's relentless attack begins!! Poor Hiyorin. (T^T)
-Hiyorin's personal taste in "art"...hmmmm.^^;
-Yutaka's envision of "otome road"...too bad its nothing like her fantasy.
-Misao's 3sec rule.

Lucky Channel
Thank you Shiraishi, for pointing out the most obvious fact out there!! A$$hole. Yeah, like anyone thats watched the show didnt notice the OP scene of when all the chars are there!!

ED
Anyone else wish to send them a request of taking Shiraishi off the cast?

AVPlaya

2007-08-11, 21:04

Great review! This is how it should be done. :)

-The new members get more time on the show: Minami, Hiyori, Misao, and Patricia. Misao and Minami has been showing up the last 2eps and Patricia debuted on ep.16. As for Hiyorin...she made a real brief appearance during ep.12 but...she didnt say or do anything then so this is her real debut. A LOT of her personality is shown too. Hell, she even gets a scene taking place at her home and we get a look at her work. NICE. Misao gets a bit more about her personality out there too. I say a character like her is a bit rare these days. By that I mean the "yaeba" (the fang) character. Maybe its just the selection of anime I watch but the only recent "fang" chars I've seen are....Kuroi sensei and Tsuruya from "Haruhi". (O_O) Yeah, thats it...not counting characters that are vampires. LOL

Hiroyi and Misao are my fast becoming two of my favorite characters. I'd rather watch them than most of Miyuki's antics, actually. I'm going to start calling the foursome of Yutaka, Minami, Hiroyi and Patti the "Lucky Star First Grade Fujoshi Brigade" or "らくすた一年生腐女子団". These 4 are much more fun than the 3rd grade foursome of oddballs

-Patricias' journey. *claps* I too hope that one day I will travel the same road...although I might stay away from the "Otome Road".^^;

I will probably go there first... ^^ I'm beginning to really dig fujoshi.. especially tsundere fujoshi like Kagami and Ogiue from Genshinken. They are facinating...

Anyone else wish to send them a request of taking Shiraishi off the cast?

You can't fire the mascot.

shinku no kage

2007-08-11, 22:25

Hiroyi and Misao are my fast becoming two of my favorite characters. I'd rather watch them than most of Miyuki's antics, actually. I'm going to start calling the foursome of Yutaka, Minami, Hiroyi and Patti the "Lucky Star First Grade Fujoshi Brigade" or "らくすた一年生腐女子団". These 4 are much more fun than the 3rd grade foursome of oddballs
Same here.:D Misao is just too damn cute with her "yaeba" and her personality is a win. You just cant help smiling around her...but then again that can apply to almost all the LS chars. ^^; Hiyori...doesnt let her conscious stop her from sketching her Minami x Yutaka pics. Hell, she didnt even hesitate for a second to take out her paper and pencil and start sketching at SCHOOL!! I wonder if she'll ever PUBLISH anything? I'd like to read her works.:heh:

...You're throwing Minami and Yutaka in there!? Well I guess Yutaka will eventually become influenced by Konata and her friends and become an otaku but Minami? I dont really see it happening, unless she's just such a good person that she takes up the same interests as her friends so they dont feel "uncomfortable" or whatever.LOL

...BTW: In Japanese you wrote"RakuSuta".^^;
I will probably go there first... ^^ I'm beginning to really dig fujoshi.. especially tsundere fujoshi like Kagami and Ogiue from Genshinken. They are facinating...
Ah, so I wasnt the only one who had Ogiue come to mind when the word "fujoshi" was mentioned.:heh:

You can't fire the mascot.
He's not the F'ing "mascot", he's...well, not even worth mentioning its existence. The mascot has gotta be the bodyless cat...which is really, YOSHIMIZU sensei!!:uhoh:

Claies

2007-08-11, 22:47

Chaos2Frozen

2007-08-11, 23:11

ED
Anyone else wish to send them a request of taking Shiraishi off the cast?

Eh? But the ending song was good this time... And with the exception of that one part, the video wasn't bad at all.

takumi2k4

2007-08-11, 23:55

Lol, funny how people bash LS' ED's when Shiraishi fools around, but when he gets serious, people start bashing it for being serious. So I guess you'd rather have a lame-ass ED that goes on and on and changes every 13 episodes or maybe even not at all? :confused:

In any case, I actually would love to get my hands on a longer version of this ep's ED, the song is really good IMO. Anybody know if they're planning to release a CD with Shiraishi singing every seiyuu's theme? :D It still surprises me up to this day, that he can actually sing that good. I didn't think he could actually sing after hearing him sing all those other songs he sang before, I gotta admit that the man definitely has talent. Oh shi-! I think I'm gar for him! :eyespin:

CrowKenobi

2007-08-11, 23:57

You can't fire the mascot.When did he become the mascot?? :p

:cool:

Chaos2Frozen

2007-08-12, 00:09

Lol, funny how people bash LS' ED's when Shiraishi fools around, but when he gets serious, people start bashing it for being serious. So I guess you'd rather have a lame-ass ED that goes on and on and changes every 13 episodes or maybe even not at all? :confused:

"Ohhh what do women want :( ?!"
[/homer]

In any case, I actually would love to get my hands on a longer version of this ep's ED, the song is really good IMO. Anybody know if they're planning to release a CD with Shiraishi singing every seiyuu's theme? :D It still surprises me up to this day, that he can actually sing that good. I didn't think he could actually sing after hearing him sing all those other songs he sang before, I gotta admit that the man definitely has talent. Oh shi-! I think I'm gar for him! :eyespin:

Agree, I really like this song :) I was mildly stunned and wondered if it was the same guy :heh:

But I was very surprised to find out that the woman is Tsukasa's seiyuu :eyespin: !

How... Interesting... ;)

AVPlaya

2007-08-12, 00:33

...You're throwing Minami and Yutaka in there!? Well I guess Yutaka will eventually become influenced by Konata and her friends and become an otaku but Minami? I dont really see it happening, unless she's just such a good person that she takes up the same interests as her friends so they dont feel "uncomfortable" or whatever.LOL

Yes, Minami too... even if she stays "pure", she's the perfect TARGET of fujoshi fantasy. Even as in a mascot/muse capacity, she has a place in the Fujoshi-Dan. Don't think anyone would want to EXCLUDE her now will we?

...BTW: In Japanese you wrote"RakuSuta".^^;

Haha, my typo comes in both languages :) I use romanji input so I suffer the same type or errors.. not to mention I write "Hiroyi" and "Yukata" all the time. when my old dyslexia shows up. :)

He's not the F'ing "mascot", he's...well, not even worth mentioning its existence. The mascot has gotta be the bodyless cat...which is really, YOSHIMIZU sensei!!:uhoh:

When did he become the mascot?? :p

Nonono, the cat is just the stuff animal they're going to sold to otakus... the Mascot has to embody the spirit of the anime... are you really denying that Shiraishi the seiyuu is the first human mascot for an anime ever? ^^

And I really liked this week's ED.. he sang a love song to Kaorin, that's touching and cute.

But I was very surprised to find out that the woman is Tsukasa's seiyuu :eyespin: !

How... Interesting... ;)

We were discussing in the general thread about this. It's obvious Shiraishi Minoru wanted to date Kaorin... the song's called "Kaorin's Theme" and it's all about a girl getting married. It's a love song... Kaorin at the end said she was moved... love is in the air!