Claymore - Episode 20 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Pellissier

2007-08-14, 11:09

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emu777

2007-08-14, 11:34

GratefulDead

2007-08-14, 12:20

WOOT FIRST

I cant wait for this ep to come out, firstly because its a good series but also because I want to see if the anime will go a different direction than the manga. That and seeing the whole raki situation unfold.

No doubt, after the end of 19, I was forced to go read the manga to see what was gunna happen next lol

Mentar

2007-08-14, 12:39

Hmmm... at least one scene which DEFINITELY wasn't in the manga, and one scene which wasn't in the manga like this.

Surprising. I didn't expect that. I wonder if this indicates an important deviation or not (probably not, but still...)

Itachi-evil

2007-08-14, 13:20

Defiled one

2007-08-14, 13:31

I´ll see what i can digg

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 13:33

Ah i can't take it anylonger.

I want too see eps.20 and then compare it with the manga:D.

Now i am very convinced that they must change the direction from now on.

Cause following the manga would be more than stupid, cause we would end up with a cliffhanger-ending:uhoh::twitch:.

The manga is pretty slow paced, so no way for a 2nd season, unless own original story, which would be also fine with though:heh:.

I would prefer a cliffhanger ending by far, orginal endings either end up sucking, or making me feel cheated.

My hope is that after this is done they do what they did with hellsing, remake it as an OVA series and release a 1 hour episode monthly or something.

Manga really isnt slow paced at all, it just releases slowly. Which considering the quality, is alright by me. :D

goukilord

2007-08-14, 14:10

my beloved spoiler pics still not here :upset:
however i hope they dont destroy this serie with a cheap ending :(

Itachi-evil

2007-08-14, 14:11

Eh, yes of course.

I mean it is release-speed is very slow;)

But i would prefer an original ending, cause i can still read the manga then.
The manga will most probably run for about 5years+

So there is really no hope for a 2nd season, which follows the manga.
Or this is what i don't want to happen.
IN 5years i would have already forgotten Claymore:rolleyes:

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 14:17

Nothing is stopping you from reading the manga with a cliffhanger ending :p

Infact it encourages it, and I doubt those of us reading Claymore will forget about it, as we read it monthly as is :D

zetsumei

2007-08-14, 14:17

I would prefer a cliffhanger ending by far, orginal endings either end up sucking, or making me feel cheated.

My hope is that after this is done they do what they did with hellsing, remake it as an OVA series and release a 1 hour episode monthly or something.

Manga really isnt slow paced at all, it just releases slowly. Which considering the quality, is alright by me.

Let's hope they do that, it would really suck if they start changing things now. I wouldn't mind an OVA 1hr episode monthly. I'd be really pissed off if they start to changing things and ruin this great anime or a 2nd season FTW~ worth the wait to me no matter how long it takes!

Defiled one

2007-08-14, 14:23

my beloved spoiler pics still not here :upset:
however i hope they dont destroy this serie with a cheap ending :(

To tell you the truth. I´ve seen the pics but I guess nothing big happens...:rolleyes: just wait, nothing really big happens.

witchking99

2007-08-14, 14:23

So!, is this week gonna be the same as last week concerning the poll ratings or are we going to grow up and rate the episode more seriuosly this time. :D

Flora20709

2007-08-14, 14:25

Yea This Week Im Gonna Rate The Episode More Seriously

Majek

2007-08-14, 14:39

Let's hope they do that, it would really suck if they start changing things now. I wouldn't mind an OVA 1hr episode monthly. I'd be really pissed off if they start to changing things and ruin this great anime or a 2nd season FTW~ worth the wait to me no matter how long it takes!
Start changing now? They've changed plenty already, left loose ends that they can't explain out,... all together preparing for a surprise ending.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-14, 14:43

I can smell alternate ending very strongly.

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 14:46

I certainly hope not, the ending may be slightly off due to changes, but I hope they do not go for the original ending route

Varis

2007-08-14, 14:52

some want a anime original ending, others want the story to stay faithful to the manga....

whatever happens though, there are always those that make a HUGE deal about it, ranting and raving, calling the producers, members or the artist stupid, etc.

That's leaving out the nit picking of the animation quality lol.
zomgwtfbbq!!! at 14:33 there was a frame that was done badly, you could clearly see the eyelashes had a different composition!!! An outrage!

or the music sucked/was off
or the voice actor did a bad job or "didn't quite fit the mood"
this episode was WAY too well done, they should save the budget for scene x,y and z.
The anime is taking a wrong direction for the worse, I'm done watching it (again, for sure this time, I promise!)

but what is REALLY funny is the fact that those complaints happen over and over and over each episode.

ChibiBook

2007-08-14, 15:01

hmm nothing really happen in this eps..just talking, next one is the fighting part >.>;;

zetsumei

2007-08-14, 15:06

Start changing now? They've changed plenty already, left loose ends that they can't explain out,... all together preparing for a surprise ending.

Changed plenty already...!? Like what!? I see very very little difference between the manga and the anime story wise. Here and there the anime did leave out some scenes from the manga/animated a little different but overall they followed the manga story 99% of the time...

emu777

2007-08-14, 15:07

Either an original ending or a manga based ending is fine by me as long as they can keep bringing out episodes weekly. If not, my memory of how good a series this is will dwindle down to nothing, just like elfen lied. So in that case, I would like them to stay close to the manga for the first series then go orginal for the second then create OVA's of the second season once enough manga material presents itself. That way both sides get what they want and everone is a happy panda. :D

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 15:10

Quite frankly, most of the music is just badly placed, the music itself isn't bad, although the star-wars ripoff one kinda annoys me.

Most people complain, because we all have high expectations for this anime, because the Manga was so high quality, we naturally expect the best treatment for this anime.

I dont know about calling people stupid, but it is disappointing that the animators choose to have inconsistent animation to the degree they do in certain scenes, although most of the time the animation quality is acceptable, its just too bad they weren't able to keep it around the episode 13-14 level, or even the episode 4-8 level.
Episodes like 16 and very specific parts of 19 (although those are obvious) are what irks people alot, even the anime only watchers pointed them out with ease.

Scene cutting is another annoyance of ours, because they add things in to take up more time, but cut other things out for no apparent reason, which seems like a waste of story.

IMSabbel

2007-08-14, 15:16

Changed plenty already...!? Like what!? I see very very little difference between the manga and the anime story wise. Here and there the anime did leave out some scenes from the manga/animated a little different but overall they followed the manga story 99% of the time...

They removed the reference to alicia and beth, for example.
They introduced the "claymore graveyard" scene with raki instead of the dungeon escape into destroyed town scene. This makes it highly unlikely that the a certain important scene after the timeskip could happen.

Lets face it: You need a real blockbuster to get a second season years later. And seeing how people even a deacde after bitch about the berserk ending, its highly unlikely the director planned a similar fate for claymore...

witchking99

2007-08-14, 15:20

Oh Great!! Here we go again. One user already voted 1 in the poll rating, I guess he must think it's funny to toy with the ratings like that. If people are going to goof off in the poll, then what's the purpose of it anyway. :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 15:22

And yet Berserk is still one of the most popular manga out, I would hope that Claymore will follow in its footsteps.

The Alicia thing was removed, but was more build-up then vital. (Although lack of build-up saddens me as well.)

As for
The slave thing is really only important if they plan to continue the anime up to volume 12 of the manga, which is doubtful even now.

So a cliffhanger ending should be unaffected.

Edit: If you notice in the past episode ratings, their is always atleast 1-2 people who give the episode a 1, they probably dont even watch this series.

Flora20709

2007-08-14, 15:22

Yea Please Dont Give a 1 rate please :bow:

Mentar

2007-08-14, 15:35

Lets face it: You need a real blockbuster to get a second season years later. And seeing how people even a deacde after bitch about the berserk ending, its highly unlikely the director planned a similar fate for claymore...

I still see no indication for an original ending. We have a classic "calm before the storm" episode, highlighting the stories, fears and worries of the assembled claymores... before... well, before ep21 breaks all over them. Nevertheless, nothing done so far really derails the story in any meaningful way.

Anyway, anything beyond that belongs in the ep26 ending speculation thread.

B-day

2007-08-14, 15:40

So I see someone again vote this episode 1/10(painful):heh:Is it really that bad???

zetsumei

2007-08-14, 15:41

Just checked Random Curiosity for a little preview of the EP 20 and... Boo~

Seem that the anime took some liberties from the manga and no Clare vs Flora fight! NO~ ; ;

Flora20709

2007-08-14, 15:45

WATTTTTT :eek:

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 15:50

A bit Disappointing;So they actually did take Flora vs Clare out, that is disappointing, because it gave us a good measure of how far Clare had progressed.

Looks like the Undine Scene is still in atleast, although it looks like they may have added to it (a suprise considering they cut out a much more popular scene.)

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-14, 15:58

Ah well, there is always manga to read for "deleted scenes"

Sinestra

2007-08-14, 16:07

So!, is this week gonna be the same as last week concerning the poll ratings or are we going to grow up and rate the episode more seriuosly this time. :D

one can only hope i high doubt though

NoSanninWa

2007-08-14, 16:31

So!, is this week gonna be the same as last week concerning the poll ratings or are we going to grow up and rate the episode more seriuosly this time. :DThere is something mature about being serious about a popularity poll?

Oh Great!! Here we go again. One user already voted 1 in the poll rating, I guess he must think it's funny to toy with the ratings like that. If people are going to goof off in the poll, then what's the purpose of it anyway. :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:No purpose at all!

Hmmm... at least one scene which DEFINITELY wasn't in the manga, and one scene which wasn't in the manga like this.I smell an original ending. I am trembling with both anticipation and trepidation.

95
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A bit Disappointing;So they actually did take Flora vs Clare out, that is disappointing, because it gave us a good measure of how far Clare had progressed.Since it seems clear that it isn't going to be in the anime I won't punish people for mentioning it, but if anyone wants to say ANYTHING at all about it, beyond the mere fact of its absence I will ban. No discussing anything that was determined in that scene. That belongs in the spoiler venting thread, not here. It wasn't in episode 19 or 20 so it doesn't belong in the discussion for these episodes.

Tempest35

2007-08-14, 16:48

Yay for edited ending! :D Honestly, many people already knew that this might happen (and if they couldn't figure it out - boo)...
As for actual comments - Priscilla's making sure that Raki knows that he's all hers in that one scene. :heh:
And Clare's forming alliances with people left and right. She would be a great player in an MMORPG.

Mentar

2007-08-14, 16:53

Let me put it this way: Nothing in ep20 happened which 21+22 won't undo ^_^;

If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath for an original ending. IMHO it also wouldn't really fit the atmosphere. I'm more for the cliffhanger version discussed in the ep26 prediction thread.

witchking99

2007-08-14, 16:57

There is something mature about being serious about a popularity poll?

No purpose at all!

I smell an original ending. I am trembling with both anticipation and trepidation.

95
Important note about spoilers:

Since it seems clear that it isn't going to be in the anime I won't punish people for mentioning it, but if anyone wants to say ANYTHING at all about it, beyond the mere fact of its absence I will ban. No discussing anything that was determined in that scene. That belongs in the spoiler venting thread, not here. It wasn't in episode 19 or 20 so it doesn't belong in the discussion for these episodes.

Not fair NoSanninWa, last week you punish me for it.:(:(:( Then I would appreciated if you took away that warning you gave me.;););)

Seska

2007-08-14, 17:00

Take it like a Claymore....

oh, don't get it wrong. Myself has over 2...

like Helen said: "We are Human after all!"

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 17:04

Ah well, I guess I will satisfy myself by asking, where does the episode end, how is the new character's voice? (as in HIM!), and finally how is the animation quality this episode? Comparable to what episode?

Can anyone give us an episode summery? :D

witchking99

2007-08-14, 17:07

Ah well, I guess I will satisfy myself by asking, where does the episode end, and how is the new character's voice? (you know who I am talking about)

Can anyone give us an episode summery? :D

Ahh!! may you be referring to "HIM". Please be more specific.:D:D:D

witchking99

2007-08-14, 17:11

Take it like a Claymore....

oh, don't get it wrong. Myself has over 2...

like Helen said: "We are Human after all!"

I can take it like a claymore, but I'll be an Awakened One very soon if this freaking episode doesn't show up soon.I'll be damned if I have to wait so long like last week's ep.:mad::mad::mad:

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 17:25

Ahh!! may you be referring to "HIM". Please be more specific.:D:D:D

Yes "HIM" is who I was refering to. :D

Flora20709

2007-08-14, 17:26

By The way who is "HIM"

Bombermanofdeath

2007-08-14, 17:32

Which night of the week does the subbed version usually come out?

Flora20709

2007-08-14, 17:34

Like Thursday Night But Sometime the go super fast and it comes out wednesday night

Fenrir_valindri

2007-08-14, 17:46

Actually it is usually released about Wednesday around noon normally, but was released slower last week because of the late RAW.

danaman

2007-08-14, 20:40

Looks like a lot of story in preparation for the next one but next week is gonna be awesome.

Tempest35

2007-08-14, 20:41

Wow, I did not expect Flora to know about Irene like that. She kinda challeneged Clare but Last Samurai Jean showed up and ruined the fun. NOW I shall admit an interest in Flora if only on the point that it seemed that she wanted to test her Windcutter technique against Irene's Quicksword... *snicker*

And who is 'HIM'? :D I would, I really would but I can't.

B-day

2007-08-14, 20:41

Wooh, this episode deviates so much from manga, somehow unexpected. Plus the animation quality is very........disappointed.:(

Raki becomes a loli magnet:heh:

Who is "HIM"? that will be a big spoiler.

dxanato

2007-08-14, 21:08

I watch this episode about an hour ago and not sure if like it or not. I guess next week episode should fill in to what kind ending they are going to go with.

Did any one else get the feeling Raki may head toward Pieta after he learn that were Claymore there.

Rhyel

2007-08-14, 21:11

I liked it a lot.

Why?

Because make much better the friendship relation between all Claymores.

Many changes from Manga in other places, a lot of then. Not all is good, but I understand the changes, or I try.

emu777

2007-08-14, 21:18

Just to ask where did you get the episode?
Is it just the raw or has it been subbed already?

khryoleoz

2007-08-14, 21:23

Just to chime in, I'm very nervous about how things will unfold from now on. I would rather this goes by way of Berserk or Kare Kano, following the source material as faithfully as could be and just stopping at the point where it would stop. Even if no second season would ever be produced, at least my hopes for one wouldn't be dashed. If they take an original ending route, then hopefully it's such that the story can still somehow return to the manga plot.

I liked the episode, the apparent changes a mite uncomfortable but interesting still. And about HIM, I really hope to see quite a lot of him in the coming episodes and that his design will be even more...majestic. Grrrr!

chibamonster

2007-08-14, 21:24

I didn't expect Flora to know all about Clare's arm. I am glad the guy at the end showed up. You know, HIM. I was worried he was going to get cut out. I'm very excited for the next few weeks. Every time I hear Isley's voice all I can think is, "It's ichimaru gin from bleach!!!". But I liked it.

dxanato

2007-08-14, 21:24

Most who had watch the episode thus had watch the raw. The sub normally it out some time on Wednesday but don't quote me on that cause it may take longer cause sub group have life too.

cors8

2007-08-14, 21:53

It's amazing how Flora knows so much more than Miria. Madhouse really pulled stuff out of their ass, in my opinion.

dxanato

2007-08-14, 22:00

Flora20709

2007-08-14, 22:05

Maybe Flora Trained With Irene And THe Developed Her Own Technique {Unlike the thief clare} the Windcutter

Var

2007-08-14, 22:07

Yeah that scene between Clare and Flora is the one that bother me the most. If Clare was not honest with Miria and the other but where she got the arms. How the heck did Flora learn all that about Clare history. Heck in episode 18 she didn't even think that Clare would be any help but know she know she has the arm of Irena. It just smell fishy.

Probably plot forcing to furnish a finale in the end which will end it. Which is sad. As was said before, I'd prefer a Berserk ending to a made up one.

GundamZZ

2007-08-14, 22:07

The discussion is way off. The episode is not about yuri buildup nor yearning for that guy(it used to be the topic reserved for yaoi fan girls when it comes to claymore discussion).

dutchman

2007-08-14, 22:08

As already discussed there are 2 significant changes however I didn't felt they were really bad at all.

To be honest the ommited Flora / Clare scene always felt a bit out of character for me even in the manga. I think that the way it was presented now is more in character for the anime Clare and Flora. And the results are the same Clare got a new friend :) (she is building quite a harem..)

I also liked how they presented the undine scene it mostly was the same however they added Deneve covering up for Undine with the added Helen scene. Still Undine's real form is moe.

And lastly its strange that they made HIM such a pretty boy just like Isley. Maybe they want to appeal to the few girls who watch this show?

Flora20709

2007-08-14, 22:11

Ohh i know who HIM is :heh:

Rhyel

2007-08-14, 22:13

Just to ask where did you get the episode?
Is it just the raw or has it been subbed already?

It is the RAW, for manga readers, The RAW is 90% possible to watch. :D

dxanato

2007-08-14, 22:16

Maybe Flora Trained With Irene And THe Developed Her Own Technique {Unlike the thief clare} the Windcutter

That would make Flora very, very old. I can see that she may had look into history of other Claymore who had fast attack sword and maybe they had Irena name in but how she figure Clare had it is beyond me.

Probably plot forcing to furnish a finale in the end which will end it. Which is sad. As was said before, I'd prefer a Berserk ending to a made up one.

I would hate to see poor ending. We still got 6 more episode hope they do justice to what has been solid 19 episode thus far.

Var

2007-08-14, 22:31

I would hate to see poor ending. We still got 6 more episode hope they do justice to what has been solid 19 episode thus far.

From the looks of it they are changing only some parts, probably deciding it would be better to show them in this manner while animated. From how the plot is building it is still staying in touch with the overall flow of the manga. We do get HIM after all, which makes me think for the future.

emu777

2007-08-14, 22:34

I would also like to see the next few eposodes to see HIM in action it would be nice if the gave the coming fight solid animation throughout.

blackmarks

2007-08-14, 23:06

i was thinking this series would be 24 episodes but someone earlier said 26; is there an official number? that said, i wonder if we will see isley's true form in this series? the kind of epic battle he should require, let alone with priscilla at his side, seems further away than 4-6 episodes.

seriously, if the previous story arc, with 3 ABs took 3 episodes to cover, with 20+ ABs plus #2 AB heading for Pieta, the next story arc ought to take 3-4 episodes by itself. seems the animators are trying to balance a satisfying series-ending yet leave room for the cliffhanger.

more helen is never bad.

guest

2007-08-14, 23:21

That would make Flora very, very old. I can see that she may had look into history of other Claymore who had fast attack sword and maybe they had Irena name in but how she figure Clare had it is beyond me.
I think Flora saw Clare use it in the last ep and figure it out. She must have known well about this part of history. It is very easy, even clare search everything about that event and she knew anout Irene's name the first time she spoke to Irene. She was surprised. Same could go with Flora. If she did her homework, she should be able to recognize that flash sword technique right away and make the connection. There can't be that many of claymores who can use this high rank of technique.

hollywoodlou

2007-08-15, 02:05

I think Flora saw Clare use it in the last ep and figure it out. She must have known well about this part of history. It is very easy, even clare search everything about that event and she knew anout Irene's name the first time she spoke to Irene. She was surprised. Same could go with Flora. If she did her homework, she should be able to recognize that flash sword technique right away and make the connection. There can't be that many of claymores who can use this high rank of technique.

Last episode, Flora was simply surprised that # 47 (dead last) had a quicker (or in her ego, as quick a technique) as the Windcutter. I think that's why she wanted to speak to Clare but the Slashers were having a private meeting.

From the looks of it they are changing only some parts, probably deciding it would be better to show them in this manner while animated. From how the plot is building it is still staying in touch with the overall flow of the manga. We do get HIM after all, which makes me think for the future.

I've been waiting for THAT character for a long time. How are they going to animate THAT character and the voice as well? hmmmm;)

Majek

2007-08-15, 04:59

So HE does appear, so all this original bonding experiences are to "improve" the reasons for the developments in the fight with HIM?

hamstar

2007-08-15, 05:48

20 was done pretty well despite the obvious departure from the manga.

btw... is anyone else getting sick of the same OP?

I guess with 6 episodes left they wont change it.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-15, 06:00

Why they want to spend more money on new OP?

BrokenWingz

2007-08-15, 06:14

I wouldn't mind seeing them at least updating the opening with new characters that will be showing up.

Might give the episode a 7, seeming as "that" scene is gone but I'll see after the episode.

Icey

2007-08-15, 06:15

HIM, do u mean HE? HE as in the
Silver eyed disney movie?

IMSabbel

2007-08-15, 06:53

HIM, do u mean HE? HE as in the
Silver eyed disney movie?

Well, it should be a "superb" person, i guess...

witchking99

2007-08-15, 07:16

HIM, do u mean HE? HE as in the
Silver eyed disney movie?

I believe you have figure it out who "HIM" is. :D:D:D

Varis

2007-08-15, 07:47

HIM, do u mean HE? HE as in the
Silver eyed disney movie?

Hakunamatata (or however that goes), what a wonderful series! Too bad I have no idea what you mean with "he".

OMG_Zerg_Rush

2007-08-15, 08:06

FYI "his" VA is Hiro Yuuki, unless im thinking of someone else

dxanato

2007-08-15, 08:29

From the looks of it they are changing only some parts, probably deciding it would be better to show them in this manner while animated. From how the plot is building it is still staying in touch with the overall flow of the manga. We do get HIM after all, which makes me think for the future.

I am not really sure who HIM is. ;) I do agree that flow still very much the same. THe bonding that happen in this episode is important. Much like when Clare met Miria, Helen and Deneve. This episode has give Clare more friend and people to look up.

I think Flora saw Clare use it in the last ep and figure it out. She must have known well about this part of history. It is very easy, even clare search everything about that event and she knew anout Irene's name the first time she spoke to Irene. She was surprised. Same could go with Flora. If she did her homework, she should be able to recognize that flash sword technique right away and make the connection. There can't be that many of claymores who can use this high rank of technique.

Clare remember her from when she saw her part of the group sent to kill Teresa but she didn't know any names at the time. It was the research Clare did where she found out what their name were. When she finally met Irena she had name to match the face that hadn't change since Clare was chibi.

I guess for the purpose of this episode we are to believe that Flora some how knew Irena form of attack. I will leave at that cause we are getting to speculative to resource that Claymore may have.

kageyame

2007-08-15, 08:32

Ok, Since I haven't seen it yet:

Wrex Blog for Episode20 (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=568)

cors8

2007-08-15, 08:58

It still seems far-fetched that Clare doesn't mind confirming Flora's suspicions yet won't tell Miria at all, especially when they decided to cut the bonding moments between Clare and Flora.

I still don't believe that Miria, with all her research, wouldn't have a clue about past Claymores while Flora does and guesses correctly.

USCPharmacist

2007-08-15, 09:52

Maybe Clare thought that since Flora already knew so much that it was useless to denied it. And it's possible that Miria knew but since Clare didn't want to say it that Miria decided not to pry. Or.....PLOT HOLE!!!!!!!

That's why I don't like alter plot, there're gonna be bugs everywhere.

PGilis

2007-08-15, 09:58

Is just me or Raki is becoming more and more a multi-class character? :heh:

So far, he is a Cooker, a Youma-bait, a living Garbage-can, a Claymore-boytoy, a Swordman-in-training, and now an Awaked-One-Pet! :p

What he will become next? Any ideas? ;)

Bikerider

2007-08-15, 10:02

God Of The Universe !!!

B-day

2007-08-15, 10:15

I'm thinking the anime starts to deviate a lot from manga, is Madhouse planning a second season with story independent from manga, smell fishy:D:D

Cruel

2007-08-15, 11:07

It's going to be a pain to wait for next week's episode. I'm sure Flora and Clare will battle together for a bit longer. I don't know why Isely is teaching Raki. I'm guessing he can see the potential he would make as a Claymore. Still baffled...

blackmarks

2007-08-15, 11:21

it could be that while Miria has breadth of knowledge about claymores and the organization, Flora has very specific historical knowledge about Irena while she developed her own special Windcutter attack. "who else had a fast attack sword and is my technique faster than theirs?" seems like a natural question to ask.

blackmarks

2007-08-15, 11:25

I'm thinking the anime starts to deviate a lot from manga, is Madhouse planning a second season with story independent from manga, smell fishy:D:D

sadly not deviating so much as restructuring. i'm thinking Madhouse is planning a single season with a satisfying conclusion, yet open to a second season... in 3 or 4 more years once the mangaka finishes writing it :heh:

i gave this episode an 8 for restructuring (i liked what they did) but lack of battles makes me sad.

dxanato

2007-08-15, 11:29

It not so much the style quick sword or flash sword than that fact Flora knew Clare had Irena arm. Having never met Clare before to know that it was not Clare arm is a bit fishy. Miria would tell there was difference since she knew Clare before Clare got the upgrade. Miria would be able tell there was difference easy but for Flora who only know Clare for few hours and able to figure out that arms is not hers and able to conclude that is Irena is very fishy.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-15, 11:38

Oh well, as I said before, Madhouse will end the anime with anime unique arc as they did with Gunslinger Girl back in 2003. And they can do it well with Gunslinger Girl anime hence I am not so perturbed with Claymore possibility of different story ending. Not surprisingly my view is not popular with fans here.

Look, if the anime is not satisfying, there is always manga to continue the desired arc. I am sure Madhouse production team has their reasoning to do what they do. They seen Berserk and they concluded it is not the way to end an anime, or horror once known as Kare Kano . I would prefer there is an ending unlike Kare Kano which like completely stopped halfway.

Personally, unless they get shitloads of money like Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex, there will be no Season 2 in near future.

I still read the manga or I will still do a marathon on anime one fine day. It did not matter to me if the anime deviates from manga or not. The anime so far is good and the manga is also excellent.

Entertainment is entertainment, so is anime once known as Claymore.

Jhereg42

2007-08-15, 11:54

I've got this sudden urge to type, "Jesus Christ it's a HIM. Get in the Car!"

PGilis

2007-08-15, 12:01

I don't know why Isely is teaching Raki. I'm guessing he can see the potential he would make as a Claymore. Still baffled...

Isley said himself... Priscilla needs a friend.

Probably he want to keep Raki close because of Priscilla. For some reason she likes him ( not as favorite dish, mind you :p ), so it's a way to keep her happy.

But now comes the question: Why Isley want to keep Priscilla happy? Is Isley really worried about Priscilla's happiness or he is using Raki as a way to keep her under control?

We already know from the Teresa's arc (Sob... sob... Teresaaaa... :sad: ) Priscilla is not the most brilliant person in the world. :heh: Even as an A.O., she could be used as a tool for someone smarter than her. What if Isley is using her power to gain control over the world?

And no, i didn't read the manga. Just my speculations. :)

cors8

2007-08-15, 12:08

Every loli needs a pet.

witchking99

2007-08-15, 12:10

I've got this sudden urge to type, "Jesus Christ it's a HIM. Get in the Car!"

HIM is near, beware. HAHAHA!!:D

Justice Knight

2007-08-15, 12:13

Isley said himself... Priscilla needs a friend.

Probably he want to keep Raki close because of Priscilla. For some reason she likes him ( not as favorite dish, mind you :p ), so it's a way to keep her happy.

But now comes the question: Why Isley want to keep Priscilla happy? Is Isley really worried about Priscilla's happiness or he is using Raki as a way to keep her under control?

We already know from the Teresa's arc (Sob... sob... Teresaaaa... :sad: ) Priscilla is not the most brilliant person in the world. :heh: Even as an A.O., she could be used as a tool for someone smarter than her. What if Isley is using her power to gain control over the world?

And no, i didn't read the manga. Just my speculations. :)

each AO has a wife or husband,its their duty to keep their lover happy.Maybe priscilla knew she was going to isley's side thats why she train so fast and become #2 and awaken and fly straight to his home and get married LOL

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-15, 12:21

Are you sure they are lovers?

cors8

2007-08-15, 12:24

each AO has a wife or husband,its their duty to keep their lover happy.Maybe priscilla knew she was going to isley's side thats why she train so fast and become #2 and awaken and fly straight to his home and get married LOL

Really? I didn't hear any mention of the AO of the South having a husband/wife. The only concrete lovers relationship we have so far is Riful and Dauf.

akimoko

2007-08-15, 12:25

Just curious...did the RAW get released late again this week?

Rhyel

2007-08-15, 12:28

B-day

2007-08-15, 12:54

Just curious...did the RAW get released late again this week?

No, normal time.

Bikerider

2007-08-15, 13:01

As long as they don't end the anime in a cheap sloppy way like they ended Beck It'll be okay.

Itachi-evil

2007-08-15, 13:50

Oulala...:heh:

They have changed it pretty much now.

Now, i think it will definetely run into another direction than the manga.

Hope Madhouse will find a proper ending:uhoh::twitch:

Mentar

2007-08-15, 14:02

Just curious...did the RAW get released late again this week?

Since I sense the unspoken question behind it - delayed by at least one full day.

TL's computer broke and will be fixed tomorrow. Then we'll see how fast we can pull it off.

Edit by Moderator: TL is fansubber jargon for TransLator.

^Sakon

2007-08-15, 14:20

Scene cutting is another annoyance of ours, because they add things in to take up more time, but cut other things out for no apparent reason, which seems like a waste of story.

Well in all honesty, scene cutting and extending other scenes can be a very good idea, altho i'll agree some of the scene's deleted woulda been nice to have in anime, but generally its easier for the anime only people who watch, some scenes can just confuse, and if you add too many things per, you spend all your time explaining and no action. Have to maintain a balance since Eps. have a time limit, and have to retain the original focus to keep new viewers hooked...all in all I'd say the guys in charge of Claymore are doin a good job. Neways, you know all this so I'll shuddup :D

miroku2192

2007-08-15, 14:31

wait mentar, what do you mean it'll be delayed by one full day? and who is TL, and what does his broken computer have to do with Eclipse subbing the episode? is TL part if eclipse?

Mentar

2007-08-15, 14:40

wait mentar, what do you mean it'll be delayed by one full day?

Which part of the sentence is difficult to understand? ^_^;

and who is TL, and what does his broken computer have to do with Eclipse subbing the episode? is TL part if eclipse?

TL = abbreviation for TransLator. For Claymore, from Eclipse.

miroku2192

2007-08-15, 14:42

oh man...thanks for the clear up btw, didn't know TL stood for translator. Anyway...is it 100% that it's gonna be delayed by one day? i've been refreshing all day lol...

witchking99

2007-08-15, 14:45

Remember miroku2192, Mentar is an Iluminati and has influence in eclipse as well so it's up to him when the subbed is out. :D

miroku2192

2007-08-15, 14:51

haha i never knew that :O, btw why isn't my sig showing up?

witchking99

2007-08-15, 14:55

Believe it. He himself once confessed it.Also he's kind of evil in the way that he likes to torture us by making us wait for a subbed version every week, aren't I right Mentar? :p

Tempest35

2007-08-15, 15:06

Believe it. He himself once confessed it.Also he's kind of evil in the way that he likes to torture us by making us wait for a subbed version every week, aren't I right Mentar? :p

SHHH~! :upset: You'll awaken his inner Mazoku! Do people NOT realize who Xellos is/was???

witchking99

2007-08-15, 15:17

SHHH~! :upset: You'll awaken his inner Mazoku! Do people NOT realize who Xellos is/was???

Well Xellos was always a very complex character.He always had a few tricks up his sleeve and you never knew on which side he was.That cunning and crafty attitude of his makes him one of my most favorite characters.

PGilis

2007-08-15, 15:23

What are you talking about? Just like in Ophelia's case, it's his devil side who are in control all the time. What we need to do now is 'awake' his human side! :p

Bonta Kun

2007-08-15, 15:25

Kai Robin

2007-08-15, 15:40

I'm all for any ending they throw at me(even tho I am a manga reader) expect if they kill off Cynthia, they do that and they will burn in the depths of hell for eternity. I will make sure they regret any decision or thought that comes anywhere near the idea of killing my Cynthia:frustrated:

Ha! At least you don't know yet for sure if she lives, I already know my fav not-Claire Claymore doesn't survive thanks to someone's oh so obvious sig.

Seska

2007-08-15, 15:44

Perhaps they use the alternate Ending, because of the Anime viewers and their bound to the Chars....

We Manga readers know more then we are allowed to typing here. Thats my conclusion about this.

(Btw, this is not a message to spoiling... Its not over yet...) I'm talking about HIM...

and for posts like "that was not in the Anime, but in the manga that was here and there!..."

1) read the first line of my post here :)
2) Let the Claymore world of the Anime Viewers intact, because it is an Different Universe now.

p.s. if i pass the limit, then because i am sleepy today...

"Let's go Sancho. Let us fight against the Windmills". "Yes, Don Cinchote"...

p.s.s. I'm doing it for your curiosity, my friend. There is no mean to it.

zetsumei

2007-08-15, 16:35

Claymore news, found in it on Random Curiosity. Link in spoiler tag, if you want to check it out.

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/08/15/random-musings-wednesdays-blues/

We can all stop guessing now~ :/

Markis

2007-08-15, 16:36

Oh my God! Did you guys read random animeblogger?
They are going to ruin the ending.

Icey

2007-08-15, 16:44

I've got this sudden urge to type, "Jesus Christ it's a HIM. Get in the Car!"

And i was really close to post that pic...

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 16:44

OMG ......... I have No comment

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-15, 16:52

If the blog entry was true, it will be quite an interesting deviation. But I can imagine the legions of purist will be screaming for blood. Me?

I would see how it turn out. I have faith in Madhouse to pull it off.

witchking99

2007-08-15, 17:10

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 17:16

:heh: Calm Down My Fellow Claymore Fan

hollywoodlou

2007-08-15, 17:22

WHAT!!!!!! WTF!!!!!:twitch::twitch::twitch: What is the meaning of this.It can't be, OK!!! that the last straw I might as well build a bomb and go to the studios in Japan and suicide bomb myself along with all the Claymore staff that came up with this abomination.

I WANT BLOOD, DAMNIT!!!!!!!!:frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:

Dude...chill. You do a jihad on the studios and your gonna ruin it for the rest of us. Then we're left with no Claymore anime...well, that's not exactly a bad thing cause' I like the manga better anyways:p BUt still....

Evangel

2007-08-15, 17:26

I don't mind the changes so much. I really hope they don't end it half way through. There is a lot of fluff in the manga they could, in my humble opinion, just cut out. But the next episodes should be pretty sweet. This was a transitional episode, so I'm not voting.

If they change the big fight coming up, THE BIG FIGHT, I'll be writing madhouse a strongly-worded letter...:frustrated:

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 17:32

There is a "Big Fight" i wonder is "HIM" Gonna Be There

Umm Evangel I Hope U Edit That "Set Of Words" Cause U know NoSanninWa Will ......

hollywoodlou

2007-08-15, 17:49

these are the scenes from episode 20...WARNING. With THAT CHARACTER the manga people know..also Quichy's favorite lol;)

http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/clay20/_clay20-06.jpghttp://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/clay20/_clay20-12.jpghttp://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/clay20/_clay20-10.jpghttp://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/clay20/_clay20-01.jpghttp://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/clay20/_clay20-03.jpg

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 17:54

The Last One On The Right Is That Wat I Think It Is *Iching to spoil*:help::nono:
Also If They Somehow Spare Flora :heh: I would Love That

redmeat

2007-08-15, 17:57

Definitely!

hollywoodlou

2007-08-15, 18:03

The Last One On The Right Is That Wat I Think It Is *Iching to spoil*:help::nono:
Also If They Somehow Spare Flora :heh: I would Love That

Na ah! Dont say it!:D You love THAT character on # 3, right? ;)

Flora20709

2007-08-15, 18:08

:eek: I jut Realized That Flora is In the 1st and the 3rd

parrywrinkle

2007-08-15, 18:21

Plus:
I'm pleasantly surprised that the studio decided to add in these few chapters instead of skipping and cutting to the action. The variations to the conversations are well done and consistent, despite being slightly different from the manga. A lot of story telling and plot development.

Minus:
I was looking forward to the Clare/Flora square off, so I was disappointed with the change. But I guess with the animators being lazy, the animated square off would have probably looked like a bunch of quick swords and nothing impressive.

Overall:
They could have skipped all the development in this episode for all the action that would follow and it wouldn't have hurt the storyline, but they didn't. It's great that the studio tries to keep as close to the original story as possible instead of turning this into a mindless fighting anime. I think putting in this episode, instead of skipping to the next part, makes what will happen in the next episode much more meaningful.

Evangel

2007-08-15, 21:03

There is a "Big Fight" i wonder is "HIM" Gonna Be There

Umm Evangel I Hope U Edit That "Set Of Words" Cause U know NoSanninWa Will ......

First off, we all know there is going to be a fight, they said they're sending awakend beings to level the city, so I don't see anything as a spoiler, plus I wrapped it in spoiler code. So there.

Iridium

2007-08-16, 01:12

I'm all for any ending they throw at me(even tho I am a manga reader) expect if they kill off Cynthia, they do that and they will burn in the depths of hell for eternity. I will make sure they regret any decision or thought that comes anywhere near the idea of killing my Cynthia:frustrated:

This is truly one of the wisest posts in the history of this esteemed interweb forum.

Reminder to all, esp. Mr. Nagi: Cynthia puts the MOE in ClayMOrE. Not Riful. Don't touch Cynthia.

Trax

2007-08-16, 04:42

Hm, really starting to look like there's going to be an anime original ending. I hope they don't mess it up.

Guido

2007-08-16, 08:18

With the subtle but remarked changes that the anime is starting to undergo all Claymore fans can only hope that those changes will remain small and in no way affect the overall scope and spirit of the basic storyline.

In case that Madhouse chooses to follow on GONZOs' footsteps by making up an original storyline that not only would deviate from the manga but overall deviating from the nature of the story, then absolutely all fans out there will become imperially pissed off.

Nightling

2007-08-16, 08:31

i cant wait any longer, i die :eyespin:
http://xsync.animeblogger.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/claymore.jpg

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-16, 08:54

In case that Madhouse chooses to follow on GONZOs' footsteps by making up an original storyline that not only would deviate from the manga but overall deviating from the nature of the story, then absolutely all fans out there will become imperially pissed off.

Sigh, give Madhouse chance to prove themselves first. I have faith since they can make anime only arc story and they pull it off well. Best example is Gunslinger Girl. They did a non canonical story arc which compliments the story well and finish it superbly.

And so far, for Claymore, they did a good job. And I can see why they omitted certain parts and remake few, to reinforce the story. I can empathize why they took out Helen's funny remarks because they want to retain the dark, dark atmosphere of the story.

As for Flora versus Claire scene, I think it is too Narutoish, Bleachish or Drag-on Ballish which detract the feel of the ongoing narration. To be honest, I am quite happy they took out that scene and focuses more on relationship/comradeship of the characters. Claymore is very character driven story and Madhouse rightfully zoo m on it, ignoring uneccessary parts that did not contribute to character buildup, impasse and resolution.

PGilis

2007-08-16, 10:14

Sigh, give Madhouse chance to prove themselves first. I have faith since they can make anime only arc story and they pull it off well. Best example is Gunslinger Girl. They did a non canonical story arc which compliments the story well and finish it superbly.

And so far, for Claymore, they did a good job. And I can see why they omitted certain parts and remake few, to reinforce the story. I can empathize why they took out Helen's funny remarks because they want to retain the dark, dark atmosphere of the story.

As for Flora versus Claire scene, I think it is too Narutoish, Bleachish or Drag-on Ballish which detract the feel of the ongoing narration. To be honest, I am quite happy they took out that scene and focuses more on relationship/comradeship of the characters. Claymore is very character driven story and Madhouse rightfully zoo m on it, ignoring uneccessary parts that did not contribute to character buildup, impasse and resolution.

True. So far, Claymore is the most story-focused shounen-anime i ever saw. And most probably this will be the last chance for some character development we have... because in the next episodes we will get be lots of fights, pain and glorious deaths. A fight scene now would betray the feeling of imminent death between the characters. Like Raymond put so well in his review (http://animediet.animeblogger.net/archives/812), “There never was much hope. Just a fool’s hope. Our enemy is ready, his full strength gathered…”.

Besides, who knows? Maybe MADHOUSE will put a little friendly fight scene between Clare and Flore in the beginning of the next episode.

witchking99

2007-08-16, 10:37

Like Raymond put so well in his review (http://animediet.animeblogger.net/archives/812), [i]“There never was much hope. Just a fool’s hope. Our enemy is ready, his full strength gathered…”.

Ahh! indeed there was only a fool's hope.I sense that a 300 style ending could be at hand.The claymores might be preparing for a last stand.

CLAYMORES!!! Tonight we dine in Hell!!!

CLAYMORES!! Prepare for Glory!!!

zato_1one

2007-08-16, 10:57

Hmmm... Never thought before that Claymore still manage to surprise me even in the anime... OK. If that spoiler is true then show me what you got! MADHOUSE!

I admit that I always feel uneasy when I hear about "anime original" But I will wait and see whether this also be the case. :upset:
As a manga reader, the northern war arc starting with "The invasion of Pieta" and the entire of volume 11 are the most exciting material which I've ever read. Containing so much cool fighting, the absolutely brilliant plot and one of the most touching scene.

Those parts are the best which can easily bring Claymore to be one of the best shonen anime ever! (which I thought it already is) IMO. And the anime is trying to change that!? WTF! >< I still believe in you MADHOUSE. I hope that you don't destroy my already all time favorite series. One thing which worries me is that we may never see Abyssal of the south and know no.5 secret in the anime.

Abyssal of the south is one of the most hottest girl in Claymore beside Galatea. IMO. It's a shame if we cannot see her in action.

Edit: If my fear is true then the no.1 and no.2 are also out of the question...

Seska

2007-08-16, 12:05

Hmm any news on whether the sub is coming out anytime soon...:confused:

When its done. :)

Oh, there is some rule about the direction of your post :)

2.3 Do not ask when episodes will be released

You are not permitted to ask when episodes will be released. Shows are released once the fansub group is finished with them. All your whining will do is irritate the group's staff and make them leave the scene. That will mean even slower releases or none at all. Please have some patience.

Please Note: AnimeSuki is a BitTorrent site. We do not make or host the fansubs and we cannot help you find them via direct download or other p2p networks.

and, some "youknowwhatlink" has done some deep impact in my Curiosity for this Anime... But i hope that they will give a good shot for the end... (I really hope!)

Besides, who knows? Maybe MADHOUSE will put a little friendly fight scene between Clare and Flore in the beginning of the next episode.

I don't see that coming. They used some time, to develop the Friendship of the groups to focus... And a "friendly" fight between them, is now false... Oh and don't forget Jean. She is now Clare's bodyguard to the end :)

Varis

2007-08-16, 12:46

I don't see that coming. They used some time, to develop the Friendship of the groups to focus... And a "friendly" fight between them, is now false... Oh and don't forget Jean. She is now Clare's bodyguard to the end :)

bah, last episode you guys ranted and raved about there being no deneve x undine conversation and it happend anyways.

Also, who cares if they change the anime from the manga? Clearly the manga is not finished and so they could not make some kind of conclusion.
So far all the little changes they have done where very well implemented and clarified the situation even better then the manga could.
This is one of the few series that is simply better to watch then reading the manga.

Revolutionist

2007-08-16, 13:09

akimoko

2007-08-16, 13:46

I used to like reading these forums but lately it's turned into a whinefest about how the anime doesn't follow the manga and if they deviate one little thing from the manga Madhouse would destroy the series, blah, blah, blah. Who cares? Grow up and stop whining about every little detail, and stop comparing the anime to the manga so damn religiously.

The manga is nowhere near done, so it'd take years for them to conclude the series if they follow the manga like a lot of the fanboys want. I'm sorry but some of us would actually like to see a decent conclusion to what I consider a decent plot, rather than some half-assed cliff hanger.

Sorry that I'm complaining about people's complaining but all this manga is the bible for the anime is retarded.

Please stop?
Thanks

I completely agree with you, but it's the same on nearly every anime/manga forum that i've seen, a lot of people think when an anime is based on a manga that it HAS to follow it word for word. If every anime producing company decided to follow the manga word for word, every anime with the same quantity of episodes of Claymore would end up with endings like Berserk ( don't get me wrong, i loved the anime i just thought they could have finished it in a much more satisfying way ).

On Topic:

can't wait for the subtitled Claymore 20 to be released, even though a lot of the manga readers bashed this episode to pieces i'm still looking forward to a new episode :)

elfe

2007-08-16, 14:07

Apparently, Eclipse's translator's computer died.

Here's the link on the SomethingAwful forum (http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?postid=332124837#post332124837) the username is thefluff. It's toward's the bottom.

(I'm glad I just randomly decided to see what the SA forums were like today!)

Pellissier

2007-08-16, 14:25

May I ask that the discussion about when the fansub for this episode will be released stops here?

Asking won't make the process faster and in case someone missed Mentar's statement, posted 24 hours ago, here it is again:

Since I sense the unspoken question behind it - delayed by at least one full day.

TL's computer broke and will be fixed tomorrow. Then we'll see how fast we can pull it off.

Other than that, please remember this golden rule:

Do NOT ask when the next episode will be released!

Fansubs are free. Fansubbers provide this free service to the fans of anime in their own free time and will. In other words, they aren't obligated to sub a series. By not posing such question, it will impress on a fansubber that the general anime fans do understand and appreciate what a fansubber must go through to render this free service to the fans. Any post breaking this rule will be deleted.

Because it'll be released WHEN IT IS READY.

Remember:

Fansubs are provided for free. Therefore the fansub groups owe you NOTHING. Which means you have no right to demand anything.

Fansub groups should be able to take as long as they feel necessary to release the next episode.

Fansubbing TAKES TIME. It's not an instant process. It's amazing it usually only takes a few days for some anime, but don't complain when it takes longer. Remember, fansubbers have a life too.

Before something can be fansubbed, it actually has to air first in Japan. So it's ultra DUMB to ask why there aren't a whole lot more episodes yet.

Most important of all:

BE PATIENT. GET A LIFE.

Please keep the discussion focused on the episode alone.

zato_1one

2007-08-16, 15:15

For those who really can't wait, I also suggest to read Raymond's review (http://animediet.animeblogger.net/archives/812). It's awesome. I actually enjoy reading it more than watching the raw.

About this episode, the deviation is not that bad. I also like it. :)

But I thought that Priss is too cute in the anime. She looked so innocence, lonely and insecure. I want to pat her forehead. :heh:

Mentar

2007-08-16, 15:53

As an update: Comp still broken, and in fact broken more seriously than anticipated. In other words, new laptop needs to be purchased. In even more words, that hasn't happened yet. All things put together, a new ETA cannot be predicted at this point of time.

Look at it this way, episode 21 will come much sooner :->

Squawks

2007-08-16, 15:57

Guys... (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/08/15/random-musings-wednesdays-blues/)(Ending spoilers.)

Doesn't sound that bad though. =/

FlareKnight

2007-08-16, 20:03

Well might as well talk about the episode. Got a hold of the raw so now I'm right into what's going on here.

Who would've thought Undine had that kind've background. Really shows how you can't judge people too early. Taking her friends sword and going under a new persona like that. Much more likable now with this new information than I would've expected from Undine at the start. Plus a nice intereaction with Undine and Deneve. Creating a stronger bond in that squad and even covering for the captain when Helen came around.

Things are going to be really intense next week. A huge fight coming up and I don't think they can avoid any casualties this time. Not just on numbers but whoever Easley was talking to seems like more than the average AB.

Goofus Maximus

2007-08-16, 23:16

There is an anonymous group who has subbed episode 20, for those who are so desperate that they're eating their computer cables. I don't know what translation quality it has though.

KiNA

2007-08-16, 23:21

Some sub out by nonanon. Go hunt at default torrent hang out place ;)

+edit+ beaten =_=

miroku2192

2007-08-16, 23:44

downloading right now...idk of the quality, but i'll post back

NoSanninWa

2007-08-17, 00:06

I'm more concerned about it being a joke sub taking advantage of everyone's hunger for Claymore to push garbage onto everyone's computers. It's stupid and immature, but I've seen that happen in the past. I'm downloading it now and if it is legit I will add it to AnimeSuki.

I am once again going to ask that this thread be reserved for actual discussion of Claymore. You will find the torrent on AnimeSuki (http://www.animesuki.com/) when I know that it is real. Keep in mind that quality is likely to suck compared to what you are used to, but I am well aware that some people don't care about that.

pagan poor

2007-08-17, 00:12

It's legit, but with no QC, it's pretty typical of a speed sub.

Nice set up for Raki and Priscilla and... her "handler". Looks like a total bloodbath for when the legions spill in to Pieta.

Also, interesting insight to the different Claymores and their individual stories. Funny to see why Undine "hulks" up to wield the 2 swords.

NoSanninWa

2007-08-17, 00:29

I only have one comment to make about Notanon's sub: If I start hearing everyone refer to "Rigald" as "Ricardo" I am going to bust a gut. I just can't deal with picturing Rigald as a Cuban. ;)

miroku2192

2007-08-17, 00:33

decent quality, a few grammatical and spelling errors here and there...but hey at least you still get the jist of the episode. Anyway, i'd still re-watch the eclipse version...eclipse's subs are nice ass quality!

Sakuya

2007-08-17, 00:39

Thanks everyone for reporting on the speed subs, it was very helpful. :)

Flora20709

2007-08-17, 01:00

hollywoodlou

2007-08-17, 01:09

It looks 'acceptable" though and it's better than nothing. It's only natural that when Eclipse drops the ball, some amateur runs with it.

KiNA

2007-08-17, 01:47

I only have one comment to make about Notanon's sub: If I start hearing everyone refer to "Rigald" as "Ricardo" I am going to bust a gut. I just can't deal with picturing Rigald as a Cuban. ;)

Oh come on, he was compared to worst.. due to his nick name :heh:

HAKUNA MATTATA!

Suki is verry verrrrrrrrrry slo at the mo -.-

Varis

2007-08-17, 02:15

i hope they give him a powerful voice fitting to his form.

Oh well, either way the shit will hit the fan next ep =) Can't wait for it lol.

emu777

2007-08-17, 02:35

Man that ep was pretty sweet I wonder though

Since isley is going to send 27 AB to attack pieta adding the 3 that were killed in the previous episodes and himself and ricardo(a.k.a the crazy cuban:heh:) that makes 33 male AB's. Does this mean that there was only one generation of male claymores and is lsley just got 33/47 of them or was there more than one generaton and isley just found remnants of them all?:confused:

NoSanninWa

2007-08-17, 02:44

that makes 33 male AB's. Does this mean that there was only one generation of male claymores and is lsley just got 33/47 of them or was there more than one generaton and isley just found remnants of them all?:confused:

It was previously stated that there was only 1 generation of male Claymores, so it seems to imply that Isley got 33 out of the 47 of them. However, you need to realize that the Organization might have been organized very differently back then since they were just figuring out how to do things. It is possible that they made 200 male Claymores in hopes of creating an army of warriors that could just wipe out all youma everywhere... Maybe... All we can do is to guess.

For now I will simply assume that Isley got the lion's share of all male Ascended Beings since guys often respect the strongest guy around and want to play on his team.

If we see more males, then I'll decide that the first generation of male Claymores was huge.

^Sakon

2007-08-17, 03:32

Man, next ep looks like fun, can't wait. Oh, and while i'm glad someone subbed it (was goin nuts not being able to see ep 20 after lookin forward 2 it all week) will eclipse's fansub of claymore ep 20 be uploaded to the site when all the technical difficulties are fixed? Thinkin of keepin this series on my pc for a while and would like to have Eclipse's damn nice subbin for the whole series.

Kerin

2007-08-17, 03:44

^Sakon

2007-08-17, 03:47

Kinematics

2007-08-17, 04:09

Watched the anon sub. Knew I wasn't gonna have to worry too much about quality when they misspelled "North" on the title card. Still, was all pretty understandable.

It not so much the style quick sword or flash sword than that fact Flora knew Clare had Irena arm. Having never met Clare before to know that it was not Clare arm is a bit fishy. Miria would tell there was difference since she knew Clare before Clare got the upgrade. Miria would be able tell there was difference easy but for Flora who only know Clare for few hours and able to figure out that arms is not hers and able to conclude that is Irena is very fishy.

Remember, Riful also knew that Clare's arm wasn't her own. I suspect that it's fairly apparent to a Claymore with any skill at reading yoki (that has any reason to pay attention to it) that that arm doesn't match the yoki of the person it's attached to. As such, Flora can work through the following:

Known: Clare is #47, thus the weakest of all in the assembly.
Known: Clare fought at a significanly higher skill level and competence than what might be anticipated (note all the trembling girls who are in their first big fight).
Known: Clare used a high-speed technique that might be expected from someone of a much higher rank.
Probably Known: Clare's arm was originally someone else's.
Implied: The person who the arm originally belonged to knew a high-speed technique.
Probably Known by Flora: Any individuals who are likely to know such a technique, including Irene.
Known: Irene's whereabouts are currently unknown, whereas any other Claymores with a similar technique are probably accounted for.
Known: Gaining the arm is itself insufficient to master the technique; thus Clare had to have been taught by the original owner.
Assumed: It is highly unlikely that any currently active Claymore would teach Clare such a technique -and- give her their arm. The technique is designed for offensive types, which would leave the original owner crippled, and that's not something an active duty Claymore would do.
Conclusion: The most likely source of the arm is the only known inactive/retired/hidden Claymore who happens to also know this technique.

Gambit: Ask about the arm and mention Irene. A few probing questions should reveal whether it is in fact Irene's arm. If it is, consider a test of skill and speed against it.

Basicly, it's not that hard to follow the line of reasoning which would lead Flora to her accusations. It's all perfectly logical.

As far as a fight between Clare and Flora, while I know all the "Who Would Win?" fanatics would love it, there's two problems. The first is of course time limitations in the episode. Putting in even a 2 minute fight would require serious editing of all the other stuff that's going on as well, and is probably the primary reason for dropping it. The second is that, as we have seen already in the series, there's room to improve on the original story sometimes. All of their actions (Flora, Clare and Jean) are eminently believable based on what we know of them in the anime, and, at least up to volume 9, the manga (from my perspective, anyway).

Mgz

2007-08-17, 05:25

this eps is pretty boring, only 7/10 unlike the usual 9 and 10 from me :( . Lot of talk and no fight, not even a friendly fight >.<

THe build up for the next battle is great tho, 27 AB :D...lot of blood will be spilled in the next eps.

ZeroGT00

2007-08-17, 05:53

Known: Irene's whereabouts are currently unknown, whereas any other Claymores with a similar technique are probably accounted for.

I thought everyone assume Priscilla had killed Irene along with all the other Claymores present when she awakened?

Riful

2007-08-17, 06:14

Basicly, it's not that hard to follow the line of reasoning which would lead Flora to her accusations. It's all perfectly logical.

The second is that, as we have seen already in the series, there's room to improve on the original story sometimes. All of their actions (Flora, Clare and Jean) are eminently believable based on what we know of them in the anime, and, at least up to volume 9, the manga (from my perspective, anyway).

Only thing that didn't seem logical to me and completely out of character is that Clare didn't even tell her closest friends. Why would she tell Flora? just because she has a similar technique? Doesn't convince me.

Shiroth

2007-08-17, 06:38

Judging from the preview for episode 21, the next arc is going to be out of control. Also, won't this be the arc where we'll find out if an anime original ending shall happen?

& man, i love Jean --- still would have been interesting to see Clare & Flora go at it.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-17, 07:14

Only thing that didn't seem logical to me and completely out of character is that Clare didn't even tell her closest friends. Why would she tell Flora? just because she has a similar technique? Doesn't convince me. It's rather that the writers knew what will happen afterwards, so knowing and not knowing doesn't make a difference

I suspected because she can see that Flora and Jeane will not back down, Flora from her intent to have duel with Claire and Jeane protecting Claire from Flora. She might also think "Hey, I might not make it alive out of this fight, no point to keep a secret anymore" or "Hey, I need every chance to survive this fight, guess I have no choice but to tell her about my secret so she will not become my adversary when I need her strength most now plus Jeane's too"

I also like to add that it is possible that Flora mastered Windcutter based on Irene/Ilena's technique so she is very familiar with the long gone technique when Claire used it. Which make sense to me hence her decision to challenge Claire since she also suspicious of no 47's situation; before a wanted deserter then suddenly given a mission to fight ABs in Pieta by the Organization.

miroku2192

2007-08-17, 09:28

nice explanation storm, it seems possible (since i've FORCED MYSELF NOT TO READ THE MANGA), i feel that the anime is pretty good. It wasn't a bad episode at all, it's not always about the action. This episode, like someone said earlier, helped develop some of the characters that we didn't know about, i.e. - undine, and deneve. (lol it annoyed me when they kept spelling deneve as deneB and miria as milia).

Anyway, it was a good episode and deserved a higher rating...plus i don't see why people complain about the animation so much...i've always thought they were pretty good:heh:. The good storyline is what makes up for the "not perfect" animation, but even still, the animation is top notch compared to alot of other animes out there.

Goofus Maximus

2007-08-17, 09:41

Please this is my first post so be nice to me!
I noticed that some peoples dislike episode 20, I started watch this anime from episode where Teresa meets Clare. Since then I must watch Claymore in room locked tight and all alone because Claymore taught me that tears can flow even from boys eyes :) Then I ordered paper manga from Powells and Ive got them all in my room. but I promised to not open them until whole anime series is out, thats probably reason why I don't understand why to dislike episode 20, Its wonderful! A lot of emotions, and surprises for me, because I still have to ask myself why now Priscilla hangs on Raki so bad! And wondering who will survive attack on Pieta.
Just wanted say that perhaps for those who didn't read manga yet its an excellent episode.

Mostly the dislike is just coming from manga readers like me, who are suffering from the divergences betwixt the anime and manga versions, which are accelerating now because the anime is likely to have some sort of end, while the manga goes on and on and on... and on... :D

Really, when you don't consider the manga, episode 20 is just excellent. I've heard rumors which I shall not repeat, which would make the end of the anime significantly different from the manga in some way not to be spoken of, so I can throw off my "not same as manga" instincts now, and just enjoy the anime by itself.

EoT

2007-08-17, 09:49

Despite no fighting scenes i thoroughly enjoyed the episode. The dialogue between Undine and Deneve was very touching as was the dialogue betwene Raki and Easley.

10/10 for me ;)

miroku2192

2007-08-17, 10:00

Oh yeah, by the way, since "this might be the turning point" where manga and anime split off into two different roads, can someone give me the correlating manga chapters that go with THIS episode? (i'd like to see the flora vs clare fight :D). Anyway, i'm not asking for the manga, just a little reference as to what chapter this episode was pulled from so that once this anime finishes...i can go read the manga :D

emu777

2007-08-17, 11:20

Whilest I dont know which chapter I know the clare x flora fight was in Vol 10 Page 103 if that helps:) And I think the pieta arc was also in vol 10

Kerin

2007-08-17, 11:50

Mostly the dislike is just coming from manga readers like me, who are suffering from the divergences betwixt the anime and manga versions, which are accelerating now because the anime is likely to have some sort of end, while the manga goes on and on and on... and on...

Really, when you don't consider the manga, episode 20 is just excellent. I've heard rumors which I shall not repeat, which would make the end of the anime significantly different from the manga in some way not to be spoken of, so I can throw off my "not same as manga" instincts now, and just enjoy the anime by itself.

;) But I have heard that still it may follow path of manga comics you mentioned, Oh and you dont mean THAT end where you know who is going you know what and not even you know who comming is not going stop her ? I hope that spoiler was just lie else I would be very sad >.<

Riful

2007-08-17, 11:57

(lol it annoyed me when they kept spelling deneve as deneB and miria as milia).

well, Deneb is a name, while Deneve ... is not ... therefore there are a lot of people that thought her name was supposed to be "deneb". Of course her name clearly states a V, but after all they changed Ruvuru to ruBel as well ;)

Milia on the other hand is just as correct as Miria, check wikipedia for all the spellings that were used in english releases already, such a mess :heh:

edit: wikipedia entry is full of spoilers
The name ミリア (Miria) can be spelt as "Miria" (short form of Miriam) or "Milia" (short form of Emilia), while "Milia" is closer in pronunciation. (...) Compare characters with the same name, for example from Guilty Gear or Macross. "Her first name has been spelled Millia, Milliya, Milia, Miliya, Miria, and Miriya."

Icey

2007-08-17, 12:56

plus i don't see why people complain about the animation so much...i've always thought they were pretty good:heh:.

I thoguht so to... until i read the manga

As for the episode: a 7 from me

zetsumei

2007-08-17, 13:13

well, Deneb is a name, while Deneve ... is not ... therefore there are a lot of people that thought her name was supposed to be "deneb". Of course her name clearly states a V, but after all they changed Ruvuru to ruBel as well ;)

Milia on the other hand is just as correct as Miria, check wikipedia for all the spellings that were used in english releases already, such a mess :heh:

edit: wikipedia entry is full of spoilers

>_< / Japanized-English words written in Katakana are so confusing and I hate it. So hard to figure out if you're not a native. I could never figures out what the orginal english words are ;_\

Davidj

2007-08-17, 13:14

well, Deneb is a name, while Deneve ... is not ...

Unless we're counting French last names like conductor Stephane Deneve.

Rotton the Wizard

2007-08-17, 13:33

woot! eclipse sub is out on torrent now.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-17, 13:37

I know this is bit late, but I still chuckled at the scene where Pieta townspeople just stand there gawking at massive force of Claymores in the town. Anyone with a half of brain would realise that some really bad shit is gonna to happen when it is rare to see a Claymore in life but here in Pieta, 24 of them assemble together.

If I seen 1 Claymore in my town, I will be very worried, 4 of them will freak me out and 24? Holy shit.

Kinematics

2007-08-17, 13:38

Only thing that didn't seem logical to me and completely out of character is that Clare didn't even tell her closest friends. Why would she tell Flora? just because she has a similar technique? Doesn't convince me.

Don't forget what Deneve said about Helen. :)

Plus you'll note that initially Clare didn't respond at all to Flora's questions. It's not like she was happy to tell Flora her secret. Have you ever tried to not answer a question when someone is pretty much on the mark? It's not easy to not give away when they've guessed correctly, and it seems Flora was able to sense that from Clare. Given that, there was nothing left that Clare could deny, so she might as well be honest about it.

I'm sure Miria could have gotten an answer out of Clare if she had tried, but to her it wasn't as important as other issues they had to deal with at the time (such as the arrival of Jean at their meeting). And it's fun to tease Helen. :)

Panzerklein

2007-08-17, 13:43

Just a pronunciation, like Helen is short version of Helene in Greek, Helen or Helene of Troy Who bring the war and the destruction to Troy city :D. Or Yuma and Uma, in English they have same sound, in Vietnamese they have different sound.

yupyupyup

2007-08-17, 13:59

Man, it's about time to get ep 20!:) I was patiently wait for Eclipse release on Wed and Thur, but I could do nothing but download a subed version by [NoTaNon]. The video is good, and I appreciate the group's effort, but the grammar and pronunciation were really unacceptable.

Panzerklein

2007-08-17, 14:07

Because NoTaNon is just a newbie in this field and they english is not good.

The-Ghost

2007-08-17, 14:12

Eclipse ep 20 sub is now out on the big TT

yupyupyup

2007-08-17, 14:16

Given that the anime has been about 95% faithful to its manga counterpart, any idea why the ep 20 is so different from the manga? IMO, I think the producer want to express more the companionship between warriors in a slightly different angle. We may also assume that it's the mangaka's opinion also (Claymore is 1 chapter/month, so the mangaka may have a change of view for his original storyline, maybe?!?):cool: Anyhow, for letting Flora to have more lines as I want to hear more of that seiyuu's voice, I'd give this ep 10/10.

Riful

2007-08-17, 14:34

Unless we're counting French last names like conductor Stephane Deneve.

I thought about it being a last name as well (like Easley or Rigald), but if it's that french name the pronunciation and spelling in Katakana would be slightly different imho. But I don't have any better ideas either, Deneve is on of the names whose origin I still haven't figured out ;)

Kinematics: Poor Helen XD Well, probably if Miria would have insisted she might have gotten an answer as well, you're right. But still feels kind of weird, since she doesn't really know Flora ... she might be just like Helen ;) But it's a change I can live with anyway.

Flora20709

2007-08-17, 15:07

Ok I Just Watched Ep20 10 times trying to understand it then the subs came out :heh: While I Was Watching Its Good And I Have To Say Ishely Is My Fav Out of all the Dwellers I Give It An 8 {I would Give it a 9 but there isnt any Flora vs clare :nono:}

Seska

2007-08-17, 15:26

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-08-17, 15:34

I enjoyed Helen's apple scene (red apples....she reminds me of Ryuk :heh:)

I was in need of that screentime ^^

Kouvley

2007-08-17, 15:34

A nice "calm before the storm" episode.

We got some good character development for Undine and Deneve. I wonder if Undine's brutish voice is also put on. :heh:

I think it's become quite apparent that something's wrong with Priscilla - like she's lost her memory or something.....

Having not read the manga(yet!) the omitted Clare Vs Flora scene that I keep hearing about didn't bother me at all.

Back to the action next week, I'm expecting a lot of casualties.

Squawks

2007-08-17, 15:35

Hey Eclipse guys, _0_

Now got get it, bunch of crackjunkies.

Kai Robin

2007-08-17, 16:33

As much as I can't wait for next weeks episode, I can't help but feel some claymores will actually bite the big one as opposed to this last fight where they got skewered like dead fish but otherwise survived.

I also found Undine's scene rather humiliating for the poor gal, she looked like a naked mole rat.

More Flora=yay It was dissapointing that there was no rumored Flora vs Clare, though Clare most definitely would've lost she would've put up a good fight as opposed to the first time she messed around with Miria.

With all these pretty girls stuck together in the cold of winter with no men to help them, I can't help but muse if some of them "got their freak on." haha.

zetsumei

2007-08-17, 16:38

A pretty nice episode. Didn't find it boring, in fact it was fun to watched. 9/10 another well made episode imo.

emu777

2007-08-17, 16:42

Woot 200th post, after laughing myself silly on the bad sub version I saw the eclipse one, And now I wonder how many of the claymores will survive. Or maybe all the AB's needed was a hug and companionship then they all lived happily ever after with the claymores:D:p:p

Bonta Kun

2007-08-17, 17:18

I'm very disappointed, where was Cynthia???!!:frustrated::frustrated::upset::mad:

apart from that I found it to be a very nice ep. Seems they have thrown in a little more comradely into the mix which is nice

xVxObliVioNxVx

2007-08-17, 17:54

I guess the only thing keeping Raki from being eaten is Pricilla's interest in him. Otherwise, I don't think Easley would have given a damn about him.

FlareKnight

2007-08-17, 18:13

Man after getting the numbers being sent out there this looks pretty bad for Miria and co. It's not even that they will have to use 1 team vs 1 AB they are just outnumbered individually now and that's just not good. Easley really isn't holding back at all, he's going to completely annihilate the claymores in Pieta. Just not sure how anyone will get out of this alive. It's a given they will take heavy losses here but what chance do any of them really have?

Man I thought Raki was done for when he was going to push away Priscilla and rush for Pieta. Seriously don't even push it man, one bad mood from Priscilla and your completely and utterly dead.

Call Jean, the party crasher. Clare just isn't going to fight anyone unless they have Jean occupied first eh? But she's a great person with a high sense of honour. Pointing a blade against pretty much anyone who gives Clare an evil eye.

grey_moon

2007-08-17, 20:13

When I was watching Raki I kept thinking of Menchi from Excel Saga.

miroku2192

2007-08-17, 20:15

xVxObliVioNxVx

2007-08-17, 20:40

i cant believe prisiclla is so attached to raki though...this is just all wrong. The people who animate this better not make it so that raki gets in the way of Clare when clare tries to kill prisiclla or something like that...

"no clare! you can't do this...she's just a kid >.<! she's really warm, she's just like a human"

gah i hate raki he always gets in the way...like in the first few episodes where he tried to stop clare from killing her friend...

seriously raki just STFU!

To be honest, I think Raki will most likely save Clare from Priscilla. From the way he pushed Priscilla away from himself, I can tell he has no interest in her what so ever. My best guess is that Raki will kill Priscilla in an effort to save Clare. That would be pretty awsome.

Flora20709

2007-08-17, 20:44

If Raki Saved Saved Clare Ill........Ill

PGilis

2007-08-17, 21:14

Heh. Just imaginate the scene. Priscilla is finally defeated thanks to Raki, and Raki finally got stronger and saved Clare... :D

RAKI: Clare! I finally found yoooou!! :D
CLARE: Rakiii!! :)
JEAN: Hey, you boy! Get away from Clare!! I will not let anyone touch her! :mad:

:p :p :p

Flora20709

2007-08-17, 21:20

Then Jean Kills Raki XD OMG I would want to marry jean

cf18

2007-08-17, 21:41

27 Awakened Beings? That is one totally screwed up organization if they let so many failures surviving in the wild. Did Easley creates those Awakened out of normal human?

As for Raki saving Clare, the only way he can do any good is beg for mercy.

TinyRedLeaf

2007-08-17, 22:00

^ 27 male Awakened Beings. Do remember that there was a reason why the Organistion decided to make only female hybrids. And as for letting them survive for so long, well, as far as the Organisation is concerned, if there is no mark on them, they're not going to send warriors to hunt them down. It's business, not personal, as far as they are concerned, it seems.

Interesting episode. As someone else has already described, it is the "calm before the storm", and I think the animators did as well as they could've given what they are working with. If nothing else, the feeling of impending doom is getting pretty apparent now.

FlareKnight

2007-08-17, 22:00

Well it's not just a total situation of letting them survive. Remember AB are powerful just on their own. Plus if Easley is giving them protection then you can do just about nothing to them considering he'd have incredible power on his own. Also this is a money driven organization. If they aren't going to get paid they aren't going to waste resources (Claymores) for it. The AB came from the claymores that went over the limit the males were a serious problem because they awakened a lot easier, thus why they didn't stick with them long.

Somehow I don't see Raki doing something incredible like finishing Priscilla. As we've seen with the 'everyone has flashsword' bits they've had trouble cutting some of these awakened beings. Is there seriously a belief that this training from Easley will help him even scratch her? Maybe he can encourage Clare to keep fighting on but I don't see him making a fighting impact out there.

Bikerider

2007-08-17, 22:20

Where did this idea of Easley making his own male claymores come from ? If he could make his own, don't you think he would have thousands ? Not 27.

yondy

2007-08-17, 22:23

I'll give this episode a 9, it's not bad as some people think. The only thing I didn't like
is the fact the Raki plans to go to Pieta and that could mean another great scene from the manga would most likely get ommited.

Oh, well. It seems like we will see an original anime ending, I just hope they don't screw up.

cf18

2007-08-17, 22:32

^ 27 male Awakened Beings.

Is this some sort of manga spoiler that we are not suppose to know?

cf18

2007-08-17, 22:41

Where did this idea of Easley making his own male claymores come from ?

The stupidly high number, while Riful only has one and working hard to make more out of random supply from the organization.

If he could make his own, don't you think he would have thousands ? Not 27.

If it is that easy the orgization would have a few hundred Claymores already.

hollywoodlou

2007-08-17, 22:59

Haruyasha

2007-08-17, 23:00

This episode was pretty disappointing. But I guess everything lets you down after you read the manga version of it.

With the missing scene, and also...

The whole thing with Raki and Easley.. much better executed in the manga.. it felt more pleasing, and here he's in the woods talking about Clare all the time..

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-18, 00:08

I have impression that Isley/Easley delayed Raki's journey to Pieta as much as he could on purpose. And decided to annilihate Claymores in the city so Raki will be sole pet of Prisicillia. Far fetched? Maybe. Just a theory.

Bodil Mars

2007-08-18, 01:29

I did not mind this episode but I think my opinion might change after I see the next few episodes. I liked the fact that Flora has a little more face time, it is nice to have her character flushed out a bit before anything major happens. This episode was necessary I suppose to build up tension but I tend to like swords instead of words :D Priscilla irks me the wrong way, I never liked her but at least when she was crazy mad like in the Teresa episodes she was intriguing...now she is just creepy. I find it interesting that Awakened beings have enormous appetites yet Pris seems to want to sniggle Raki instead of tearing him into bite size pieces...he must smell really good :D

Panzerklein

2007-08-18, 01:58

This ep is long and boring than manga. I voted 5/10 http://vnsharing.net/forum/images/img/smile/sad.gif

Samuel20709

2007-08-18, 02:33

I Gave It a 9 because they didnt include the flora vs clare

crazyhorse

2007-08-18, 02:44

Anh_Minh

2007-08-18, 03:00

I liked the apple scene. It showed Helen's good side.

I'm not sure I liked the personality change in Flora, though, compared to the manga.

Also, I know it was a setup for Isley taking his sword from him and showing off, but I didn't like Raki just unsheathing his sword for no reason.

Defiled one

2007-08-18, 05:03

I gave this a 6 because I thought it was average. I mean it was a good episode, but nothing very special happened and I really got annoyed of the Raki/Easly/Priscilla parts. I thought those parts were boring, but it might've been because Raki annoys me and Priscilla is just plain creepy and acting way loli for my liking...

Prscilla Kind of scares me...You never know when she is gonna go batshit crazy. The tension is killing me and now, I don´t know the future anymore....

TinyRedLeaf

2007-08-18, 05:40

^ 27 male Awakened Beings.

Is this some sort of manga spoiler that we are not suppose to know?

Hmm...not really. It's just that the way that MADHOUSE has presented the events, it is not immediately apparent to viewers that Isley's army of Awakened Beings is entirely male. In other words, it's just that you haven't noticed that every Awakened Being in Alphonse is male -- starting from the squad that appeared in the epilogue of Episode 17, to the three scouts that attacked in Episodes 18+19, and finally to Easley and Rigardo.

The high number of male Awakened Beings is in itself a surprising fact -- it's an indication of just how disastrous the first Generation of hybrids turned out to be. Easley + Rigardo + Dauph + 3 pieta scouts + 27 males Awakened Beings + the one from Episodes 9 & 10 = 34 male Awakened Beings. Now, we don't actually know how many warriors there are in a single generation, but assuming at least 47, almost an entire generation awakened, and eventually drifted north.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-08-18, 06:00

Hence from the point of view of Claymore world, males make lousy Claymores since they awaken so easily. No point to have a guard dog that can turn on you so easily.

F3rNanD3s

2007-08-18, 08:49

Claymore just rules in every aspects one can look out for of a shounen anime.... wonder how & why it suckd @ ratings..

please grant me another season of Claymore.... and don't deviates from e manga...

guest

2007-08-18, 08:55

Isley, “Impotence is a sin.”

Impotence is a sin!? Then being arrogant and ignorant is a sin no less. Being happy and cheerful is a sin as well. Being obnoxious and annoying is, too. They are all part of people’s personalities, all of them. We come in different sizes, looks, personalities. How is that a sin? Being a strong person, and incredibility strong one like Isley, he should understand that people should help each other, not hurting each other. The strong should help the weak. The happy ones should help the ones in depression and so on.

Why? In term of reality, if we ever want to escape the innate weakness that nature implants on all living beings, we must. In term of morality, that is the right thing to do.

I have no tolerance to people showing no compassion to others who they consider inferior. Even if Isley thinks that weak people get strong ones killed, hence a sin, he is like the end justifies the mean. If humans go down that path, we will be just a few steps away from annihilation of all humans, brought by human ourselves.

Anh_Minh

2007-08-18, 09:46

Do you remember what Isley is? Your altruistic discourse probably wouldn't make sense to him at all. (Not that it makes all that much sense to me, but that's another issue...)

Besides, what I think he meant is that, no matter what you say, if you don't have power, you won't be able to carry out your objectives. It's all well and good for Raki to say he "wants to protect Clare". But without certain qualities - strength, courage, and so on - they're just words. If he truly wants to protect Clare, he must make sure he has the ability to do so. It'd be the same if his objective was to cross the road, except that Raki obviously has the ability to cross the road. Not so much with protecting a Claymore.

Davidj

2007-08-18, 10:27

I
I have no tolerance to people showing no compassion to others who they consider inferior. Even if Isley thinks that weak people get strong ones killed, hence a sin, he is like the end justifies the mean. If humans go down that path, we will be just a few steps away from annihilation of all humans, brought by human ourselves.

What, you mean we shouldn't look to the Big Bad of the series for ethical guidance?

Davidj

2007-08-18, 10:28

The high number of male Awakened Beings is in itself a surprising fact -- it's an indication of just how disastrous the first Generation of hybrids turned out to be. Easley + Rigardo + Dauph + 3 pieta scouts + 27 males Awakened Beings + the one from Episodes 9 & 10 = 34 male Awakened Beings. Now, we don't actually know how many warriors there are in a single generation, but assuming at least 47, almost an entire generation awakened, and eventually drifted north.

Unless of course Isley has been making more.

PGilis

2007-08-18, 11:03

Just a question: It was clearly stated all the 27 A.O.s were male? I thought maybe Isley could have both male and female A.O.s in his army.

Cococokie

2007-08-18, 11:03

omg, why are there so many perfect 10 ratings. 0.o is it that good?

FlareKnight

2007-08-18, 11:32

Pretty good split from 10-7 on the vote.

I can understand Isley's viewpoint here. True enough its nice to say the big words but if you can't back it up its pointless. In that world it comes down to power and thus why humans have such a tough time doing what they wish to do. No matter how far Raki pushes his body the abilities and strength gained will be minimal.

Well it seems that his army is made of the male awakened ones. The majority of them following the former #1 of their generation would make some sense anyways. Plus leaves the females to spread out to the other regions with Riful and the other Abyssal One. Wonder how Riful's unique...scouting system is going.

Nightling

2007-08-18, 12:06

its not the best 1, but its okay:rolleyes:

RoryTate

2007-08-18, 12:32

I was looking forward to hearing more of Miria's travels and trials this episode, so I was a little disappointed in her absence until a very short scene at the end. After the great setup from episode 19, I really thought they should have given this some time...suspense is good, but damn it I want to know! How is her "situation...far worse" than anyone else? [Yes, I know there's always the manga, but I'm not going anywhere near that until episode 26 has long finished broadcasting.]

Good to know a bit more about Easley. He seems like an introspective and intelligent antagonist. The idea that he would camp outdoors just for the "different mood" it offered is interesting...he certainly doesn't value the trappings of power or hold stock in appearance. Quite revealing though in how he went completely amoral once the subject of attacking Pieta arose. Is it a powerful ambition, or some other equally strong motivation? Or is it simply the experience of a good battle commander to not leave any potential enemies alive?

Not quite sure how to categorize Easley just yet. I mean, he didn't say "Oh, excuse me Raki. I forgot to tell those humans who just passed by to be careful of a certain area. Could you watch over Priscilla while I catch up to them and ea...er, ease their passage a little?" :D He even appears to take an interest in human lives and their struggles, once Priscilla made him take notice of Raki (I wouldn't consider Raki as a potential "emergency food supply" in the current situation, it feels more that Easley would not even be aware of him.)

Flora x Jeane x Clare was well done I thought, and Deneve x Undine was even better (I think the latter worked the best for me because of Helen...her interruption was essential as good counterpoint to the depressing stories, and gave the words much more impact for me). The "flashback" scene of Deneve hiding under the bed is the ultimate definition of pathos. The stark way it was animated made me cringe and squirm in empathy.

On its own, this episode rates well, but I still think it runs a little slow, especially in the Raki x Easley interactions (and I still want to know about Miria!). I feel the next episode (and the story as a whole) will benefit from this setup, however, and once I see the outcome I might rate this closer to "excellent". Like many others on this board, I just hope that Claymores won't begin dropping like flies next episode.

Kerin

2007-08-18, 13:43

Is it right 4 more days and 21 is going aired in japan righty ? Someone please end my suffering ...already.:eyespin:

anselfir

2007-08-18, 13:46

omg, why are there so many perfect 10 ratings. 0.o is it that good?

fanboys etc

why are these characters so srs? chill out. everyone is gritting their teeth and having tearful tirades. geez. way to stress me out on a friday.

Twisted Reality

2007-08-18, 14:09

This episode was one of the more gripping I've seen from the series in a long while. Made me remember why I started watching in the first place. Madhouse is not good with action sequences and is much better at character interactions and developing the story.

The fight sequences are also sometimes to shounen-ish for my tastes When you compound lazy action animation with a rather simplistic fantasy fighting sequences, the results are less than awe-inspiring. A lot of times, Claymores just seem to float in the air while swinging frantically. At best, the special "techniques" of the Claymores work their best in expressing a character's personality. Sometimes the fights just feel clunky and stupid. (Like how the spiky armadillo AB always seemed to miss a dozen shots for every one that he lands. And then he'd stop shooting alltogether. . .)

(Contrast with the very good eye candy action of shows like Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo or Eureka Seven and you'll see what I mean.)

Basically this show had none of the fighting sequences that really started to drag the show down for me. Lots of character development all around. Helen, Deneve and Undine are really much more likable than they were in their initial appearances. (And Clare is always the silent protagonist. *sigh*)

Isley and the developing Raki/Priscilla dynamic are really getting interesting too. I'd like to see more of Isley's motivations and what he's doing with an army. As somebody pointed out, he really strikes me as the poet-king type. He also seems to inspire loyalty from his lieutenant, who seems to be genuinely concerned for his well-being and does treat him as though he were a king. ("Somebody of your stature camping out?") His moniker as the Silver King is well-deserved.

I have a feeling that Isley is just looking after his subjects, the male Awakened Beings. Basically, if the protagonists begin slaying major AB characters and vice versa, there won't be any "good guy" and "bad guy."

I also doubt any of the major characters are going to die in the invasion. If one does, in the very least, they'll get a proper sending-of first. I do expect a lot of the other Claymore-mooks to die though.

Defiled one

2007-08-18, 14:43

I liked this episode. But it was a little dark for my taste...more like evil aura episode.

OptixPro

2007-08-18, 14:54

5/10

These were 20 boring minutes. Nothing happened, even if there are only 6 more episodes. I expected more ...
Anyway, I saw something - that´s why I gave 5 points and not only 1.

And there wasn´t the Clare - Flora fight ... too bad :(

I´ll hope they´ll make next episode better. :) Some good fights and so.. Good 20 minutes. :p

Reppa

2007-08-18, 15:36

This is what I like there are slowly going in a different direction from the manga, and they're doing it in a tasteful manner. Jean stepping in and stopping them from fighting is a good hint at an up and coming change. Considering now all will be 100% and ready to go next episode. Though Jean protecting Clare is hinting at something I like.

FlareKnight

2007-08-18, 15:40

Agree it'd be nice to know just what trouble the organization has been putting Miria through since we saw her vs that male AB back in the earlier episodes. Clare had those very dangerous times with Ophelia and meeting Irene. But she did spend time laying low until she ran into Riful. But I can guess Miria was really being pushed hard and put in extremely dangerous situations.

Just hope with the upcoming massive battle we won't have half the Claymores using a flashsword lookalike again :).

Echoes

2007-08-18, 16:20

It was a lovely episode, with plenty of character development on all fronts. I did expect Undine to be putting on a show, but nothing of this caliber. I think this episode did very well at focusing on the characters story, and the companionship between them. This alone would make the fights more interesting later on, since we're seeing them as people with personalities, dreams and goals, not just random fighter #x.

I do wonder how it'll turn out, though. 27 awakened beings is not a laughing matter, no matter how you look at it.

FlareKnight

2007-08-18, 17:32

No doubt the characters really were interesting here. Getting to see people dealing with the aftermath of that fight and what is coming soon. If I was in the position of the lower ranked fighters I'd be scared to death as well since the power they are up against is ridiculous. Episode brought up my opinion of Undine and let me understand her better.

^Sakon

2007-08-18, 17:53

Ya, as said before, this ep is defenitly gonna make the next one rock hard, imagine seeing one of the fab4, undine, jean, or flora biting the dust. Before this ep it woulda been a "well there goes one of their stronger members...the rest are screwed" now that we've seen more of their personalities, and also if any of them do die, the reactions from those who were close to them will be that much better. IE: Helen dies, (pre-ep20) Deneve, Clare, Miria, and maybe Jean would be effected by it, now tho, her entire team, and the claymore she gave the food to, as well as the others mentioned will be effected. (and no i hope Helen lives but you KNOW someone named is gonna die)

Sinestra

2007-08-18, 17:57

Would have like to see a little fight between Flora and Clare but of course Jean interrupted which i knew would happen. I was amazed that Clare was so forth coming with information concerning her arm, but i guess she felt she could trust Flora and that was rewarded with Floras trust as well. The inexperienced Claymores moral seems to be raising which they are going to need for the next battle I however do not think they will be to get away with no casualties again no matter how good of a commander Miria is. This episode was a great build up to the next arc where from the looks of up all hell is getting ready to break loose. Raki's decided he actually needs to learn how to use a sword he should have thought about that long ago. I am just waiting to see the look Clares face if he shows up with Pricilla hanging all over him.