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This episode was pretty creepy. It seems like things are working out for the better, but there's like this underlying feeling that things won't work out at all.
So Akasaka's wife was saved this time around, and now Rika is brimming with confidence that she can save her friends as well.
Klashikari
2007-08-16, 16:08
again, not guaranted to be a very accurate summary, but nevertherless ^^"
Keiichi and friends (with shion, and minus Mion this time) are cleaning some stuff for the incoming Auctions for the village. Keiichi complains about this job, but the rest tries to cheer him up.
Mion arrives, but announces they will have more things to do, which depresses keiichi. Then, mion offers to everyone some Ohagi from her Grandma. Rena picks one, and gives it yo Keiichi. This triggers something to Keiichi, who wonders which one Rena did. But Rena doesn't understand what he is talking about and tells him she didn't make any of the ohagi. Keiichi and Rika are surprised. Keiichi doesn't pay attention of this afterwards, but Rika soon suspects something.
Everyone is chatting and eating happily, but Keiichi is staring at his ohagi. Rika comes to him, asking what's wrong. Keiichi tells her that he has a "deja vu feeling". Rika tells her there isn't such things, and if he remembers of something, it has happened. Keiichi doesn't quite understand this, then Rika says it happened in another world. Keiichi doesn't take it seriously, since it is a dream, but Rika insists it is okay if it is a dream. She then asks him to tell about this.
Keiichi remembers that he didn't go to school, Mion and Rena came, and give him some ohagi. Keiichi is about to stop, but rika asks him to proceed. Then Keiichi says both left, and he tried the ohagi, but on the first one... Keiichi wants to stop, and this is simply a dream, but Rika raises her voice. He then says there was a needle in it
Mion approaches him, asking if he hates ohagi, saying he shouldn't push himself if he does dislike these. Shion wonders about a prank, then Keiichi says there is no way Mion would put a needle in it. Mion is completely shocked about what he said, but keiichi just settle things by eating it. Rika is still dumbstruck.
Everyone is now in another room, cleaning other goods to sell in the auction. Suddenly, Rena turns into her omochikaeri mode, assaulting a table. Rena slips something while talking a bit, which surprises everyone. She then explains what her father is up to (the fact he was lonely since they get back in Hinamizawa etc). Rena got shocked about Rina, etc. Then, Rena talks of her dream.
Rena explains she killed that woman. Shion reacts about this.
Keiichi says it is a dream, but she replies it is a realist dream...
She wanted to think it was a dream, and explained it to Mion, Both went to the place where Rena killed Rina in Tsumihoroboshi.
Rena explained to Mion what happened, and what she felt, the way it was the thing to do, which panics her. She is almost hysteric, but Mion hugs her, and wants her to stop. She must tell the truth and feelings to her father. This puts back Rena in a complete sanity.
Rena then talked with her Father, and he understood her feelings.
She then thanks Mion for what she did.
They are almost leaving, but Rika then asks if in this case, Shion also made a weird dream. Mion explains that Shiond dreamt she killed Mion and Satoko. Both Mion and Satoko don't believe this, and she won't do such atrocities. Shion is touched of what Satoko said, and both hug.
At night, Rika asks hanyuu's opinion of everyone's dreams/memories. Rika begins to have confidence. After some talk, Rika concluded she must prevent Tomitake and Takano deaths, and the changes might affect them as well.
Rika pays a visit to Irie, and ask him where are Takano and Tomitake. Irie tell him around the temple.
Rika realized they are heading for the storage room.
Takano and Tomitake try to figure out the type of Lock. Tomitake relieves her, saying it is a simply padlock. Takano is delighted, since it will be a perfect timing. Suddenly, Rika surprise them with "CURSE". Takano tries to negociate, then Rika shows her the key.
Rika is okay if they go in the storage with her, this turn Takano into a TOTAL bliss, a "omochikaeri mode" like, a very moe yet creepy sight :heh: Hanyuu can't help, but be completely stunned and her image of takano is quite... shattered with this. Rika admits she is herself surprised of this side of her.
Tomitake asks if it is really okay, then, Rika confirms, though she wants them to fulfill a promise, listening to what she has to say. Takano, completely hyper accepts right away her conditions.
as they are entering, Takano is completely in bliss, and comment everything about the tools, oyashiro etc. and finishing this is oyashiro-sama. This comment just annoys Hanyuu, who is desperately argueing this, doing a silent tantrum :heh:
Rika suddenly closes the door, and say it is a promise. and they have to talk seriously. In the night of the watanagashi, both of them will...
Back in the Irie hospital institute, Tomitake and Takano talk to Irie. Rika will be killed, and for this to happen, both Tomitake and Takano will be killed. The three of them are kinda puzzled by this, but nevertherless, Takano let the "Yamainu" in charge of this
Hanyuu wonders if both will fullfill their promise. Rika doesn't case, since she has keiichi and the rest. Then she wishes to have MORE power, to break through of this fate.
The gang are picking some items in the toy store for the auctions. Ooishi is also there, which spark some things between him and Mion. Ooishi then offer them a little gamble.(hard to get... sorry...)
He then shows them 3 dice.
Mion succed in her triple 1, and Ooishi congratulate her for her performance. they are now friendly ^^
Rika comments about Ooishi, thinking this is a very convenient world.
Someone enters in the shop, and finally found Ooishi. This person is no one else than Akasaka Mamoru! Rika is really surprised of his presence, and asks him if it is really him. Akasaka confirms, and felt it has been a long time. Mion and the rest are surprised that they are acquaintances.
Rika asks him why he comes to Hinamizawa, then Aksaka says it is to save her life.
We see a flashback that, back at that time, Akasaka believed what Rika said during Himatsubushi, and get quickly back at Tokyo, taking care of Yukie, his pregnant wife. Then, it is revealed later that a janitor feel from the stairs.
Akasaka is thankful to Rika, who is relieved as well.
Rike becomes really confident now. Hanyuu argues that Tomitake and Takano yet proved they fullfilled their promise, which can utterly betray her. Rika taunt her, and want to try it, by stomping on purpose on the punks bikers. Hanyuu is completely in panic and... These punks soon show up, but Rika is very confident. SUddenly... Janitors men (the Yamainu) appear behind them, and threaten them. They flee immediately.
on her way back, Rika asks what hanyuu thing about it : The yamainu are tailing Rika, and the driver report what is happening to Tomitake.
Rika is completely confident, has reunited the power to break that fate. However, Hanyuu isn't convinced...
Rika has no fear, and will look forward to the future.
I begin to get lot of "fanboy" vibes at this rate, but again, another impressive adaptation.
I'm just a bit disappointed they didn't emphasis Keiichi's "uber magician of worlds", since in the game, they have shown that Keiichi was asked to be the presentator and organizer of the auction. They also forgot the reason why Keiichi is so suspicious of food to begin with. (it is explained that Keiichi, when he was youn, got scared of a story, and feared that food could contain harmful things, like needles, etc. you can tell this childhood fear surged when he was delusional in Onikakushi)
that said, the rest is simply very well paced, and you see the growing hope around Rika.
The new tracks, again, works wonder, though they aren't from dai... not really that bright for the casual scenes, but the eerie and mysterious parts were definitely well executed.
Next week should confirm the huge ride, but i begin to blindly follow DEEN for this season ^__^
Deathkillz
2007-08-16, 16:12
This episode was pretty creepy. It seems like things are working out for the better, but there's like this underlying feeling that things won't work out at all.
i think most people can guess that...if it all worked according to plan then there isnt any need for the next arc :heh:
zomg but really rika is staring fate in the eyes and saying "no i will not fail this time!" (just she wait til fate brings out the large bat to smash upon her head again :sad:)
rena, k1 and even shion are remembering past events and as they talk rika sees hope ~ she even helps takano break into the shrine which caused MOE takano to show (zomg XD highlight for me has to be takano saying "niipa ~~~")
now lets see how deep this hell can fall O.O
shigure asa
2007-08-16, 17:15
this time it's once more a high paced episode, isn't it?? 7 subchapters by episode 2!! ^^"
rika's running through minagoroshi-hen at marathon speed~~ a lot of things were taken out though......
even though studio deen is moving so fast... it's amazing structured the second time around ☆ mi-chan was so cool when she was consoling rena~ and 'kuro rika' kicking the bikes was the best! that alone earned a 10/10 rating, ne? :3
still, it's a little disappointing that the meeting at irie's was transferred out. and hanyuu didn't get her apology sweets! i guess that the limited time is to blame? although miyo's sudden moe scene made up for it a thousand times over ★
Kazuki_Kun
2007-08-16, 17:36
Episode 7 Raw is out ^^
Klashikari
2007-08-16, 17:36
Episode 7 raw is finally up.
Screencaps will soon rock on ^^
EDIT : screencaps are UP now
Episode 7 : Summary and Screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-7-minagoroshi-hen-2-unmei-no-kaekata/)
Summary will be up soon enough
EDIT: it is up.
Caps if you're impatient
http://blog.seiha.org/?p=269
Decent episode, though knowing what comes next kind of takes the edge off. :P
Kazuki_Kun
2007-08-16, 19:00
Takano was the cutest thing ever. o_o
This world seems almost too perfect....
ayukanon45
2007-08-16, 19:42
omg, it is getting soooooo gooooodd
34 as a moe character? Well, that was a first www
The question "what the heck was up with Shion hearing footsteps in the warehouse" is visually answered here.
+ points for capturing the pessimism of Hanyuu.
- points for "dumbing down" the mahjong scene and replacing it with dice. But then again, it is a good way to portray that scene with respect to the viewers who know nothing about mahjong.
+ points for showing that Oishi is a well-meaning person when he sets his duties as an officer aside
++points for Shion + Satoko love. Nee-nee moe!
The next episode shall be GOD to crush people.
mist2123
2007-08-16, 20:43
Wow keichi keeps remembering
MrZombie
2007-08-16, 21:21
I enjoyed it as well, but man is DEEN ever motoring here. I can't believe that they're already past chapter seven of the game. Ah well, at least it still was the most frightening ni-pah ever.
Any predictions how long Minagoroshi will be? I'm leaning towards 8 episodes.
harukamae
2007-08-16, 22:40
I'm interested in the fact that Akasaka's wife was saved, even though Minagoroshi-hen techincally only started in June 1983, so changing something now couldn't have effected his wife's accident or lack thereof a few years back, right? (Yeay for toying with the time/space continuum.)
LOL And moe 34 is fun. *spontaneously combusts from cuteness overload* She reminded me so much of Winry from FMA for some reason, probably the going moe over the nerdiest things bit.
But I have a feeling the s***'s really bout to hit the fan. This chapter's called Minagoroshi for a reason. ;-)
Ep7...well another fast paced epsiode. With that said, the timing were generally well done. It's of course a shame to see some of the great parts being cut short/out, such as Rika's famous quote against the three delinquents or the comment about the Wall Street, but most of the essence is there.
It is too bad that the reunion scene with Akasaka being done so poorly tho. In the game, it was one of the most heart-warming scene. Akasaka is definitely a strong ally for Rika, and his return is one of the things that makes Rika thinks that she can actually break away from the repeating fate. It's not a big deal, but it would've been better if they sticked closer to the original, becuase of the upcoming epsiodes.
USCPharmacist
2007-08-16, 23:32
Cool episode, though I won't fully enjoy it until I watch the sub. Looks like everything is falling to place.....or is it? muhahhahahahahah
btw should we have a discussion on うみねこのなく頃に? it's coming out tomorrow and I want to know how fast that Tomitake wannabe will die lol.
btw should we have a discussion on うみねこのなく頃に? it's coming out tomorrow and I want to know how fast that Tomitake wannabe will die lol.
It has been created here (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=53070), although the section will not be under the Higurashi thread as it is neither animated yet nor has any relation to Higurashi (so far...)
Kazuki_Kun
2007-08-17, 04:38
http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php
Episode 8 peview out :3
joshualimm
2007-08-17, 05:13
Fantastic episode!!!
Btw, the preview for eps 8 was hilarious~~!!! esp with Hanyuu's ".. hau?" KYAAAA!!!!! Can anyone translate the preview? :P
http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php
Episode 8 peview out :3
Did I really hear what I think I did there? Keiichi x Ooishi... *claws her eyes out* :twitch::D
ayukanon45
2007-08-17, 13:47
im guessing that at this rate, theyll be able to spen at least half of the series on the final arc, it would make sense
Klashikari
2007-08-17, 20:48
Did I really hear what I think I did there? Keiichi x Ooishi... *claws her eyes out* :twitch::D
I do feel i did hear "keiichi-seme to Ooishi-uke".
i don't even think fangirls would like THIS either... maybe keiichi and satoshi, but THIS :heh:
I do feel i did hear "keiichi-seme to Ooishi-uke".
i don't even think fangirls would like THIS either... maybe keiichi and satoshi, but THIS :heh:
Man, Rika has bad taste. It's the other way around! （違
harukamae
2007-08-17, 22:07
LMFAO...Come on, the whole "My car is air-conditioned, let's talk in there Maebara-san" bit is perfect yaoi fodder...
MezzoDragon
2007-08-17, 23:06
Hanyuu is very silly and funny. It is a shame the others (with the exception of Rena) cannot see her.
QuestionableLogic
2007-08-18, 00:01
Ok I waited long enough for someone to bring this up.
Yamainu. Discuss.
Very nice episode. They had to change/leave out quite a few things, but they were understandable. The first part pretty much drove home the point that Rule X is no longer in effect in this chapter. The second part involved Rika's deal with Takano and Tomitake, which for the first time forshadowed the true relationship between Takano, Irie, and Tomitake, as well as Tomitake's true identity.
I laughed when Akasaka showed up. I'm gonna hate his onsen ass later. :heh:
The final part where Rika tested the "protection" placed around her is the first hint at who those men in greens really work for.
Still, poor Rika and her misunderstanding.
The preview with the Comiket talk was funny. I would've liked to see a Keiichi-seme Irie-u(ry
QuestionableLogic
2007-08-18, 05:56
Imagine being someone who has never read the tips or spoilers.
All of a sudden finding out Takano has an organization and they are the same guys that murder Rika. To think that in any of the past arcs neither Rika nor Hanyuu recognize the men in uniform.
What's with that? It's seriously bothering me and my brain can't take it!
auauau~
This will be interesting.
Klashikari
2007-08-18, 09:44
Imagine being someone who has never read the tips or spoilers.
All of a sudden finding out Takano has an organization and they are the same guys that murder Rika. To think that in any of the past arcs neither Rika nor Hanyuu recognize the men in uniform.
There were enough clues thourough the anime, demonstrating that Irie, Tomitake and Takano weren't exactly simple "doctor, cameraman/journalist and nurse".
Adding what you know in yakusamashi etc, many puzzle pieces are forming a somewhat "clear" picture.
That said, the fact Rika was unable to identify the yamainu is because:
1) it is pitchblack (well for yakusamashi-hen)
2) it is answered in the game (as soon as Rika "woke up" from her fall in the start of Minagoroshi) that Rika's memories are erased some moments before her death. it isn't explained if it is because of the reset and/or the drugs the men injected to her, while restraining her.
Rika knows people are aiming at her, but she isn't able to tell who they are. Since hanyuu is connected to her senses as well, you can tell she isn't unable to bear what Rika was feeling.
It is obvious she doesn't know about the Yamainu, and the anime is "more" convenient because of the third perspective.
Episode highlight:
When Takano said nippaaaaaaa! Hanyuu said it best: "My image of Takano is completely messed up right now."
This series is turning out to be awesome, although many of us probably knew from the start :D
Brilliant episode! Things happened a bit too fast but this is understandable. I have never been one for moe antics but Takano's outburst of joy and cuteness and Hanyuu stoping with her foot in the warehouse were awesome. I remembered from the game (and it was strongly hinted in the anime anyway) that Takano and Tomi were part of some organization but I didn't expect the MIG to take part in only the second episode of the arc. It seems obvious they are the "yamainu" but I have learned not to trust the obvious in this series. If they work for the organization of Takano then who kills Takano, Irie and Tomitake and why doesn't the same culprit target the MIG, too? Takano doesn't seem to believe in Oyashiro-sama, she just marvels at the ingenuity of whoever came up with this religion, using fear instead of miracles - if the organization doesn't believe either, why would they kill Rika in front of the altar? It seems that every revelation brings even more unsolved questions. :) If Takano knows at least a large part of what's going on the village due to being a part of the organization, what's the point of all the scrapbooks full of theories she has?
Akasaka's wife is alive? I think I badly need to rewatch the episodes with him from the first season...
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....Did Takano throw in a 'HAUU~' for good measure, too?! O_o
Brilliant episode! Things happened a bit too fast but this is understandable. I have never been one for moe antics but Takano's outburst of joy and cuteness and Hanyuu stoping with her foot in the warehouse were awesome. I remembered from the game (and it was strongly hinted in the anime anyway) that Takano and Tomi were part of some organization but I didn't expect the MIG to take part in only the second episode of the arc. It seems obvious they are the "yamainu" but I have learned not to trust the obvious in this series. If they work for the organization of Takano then who kills Takano, Irie and Tomitake and why doesn't the same culprit target the MIG, too? Takano doesn't seem to believe in Oyashiro-sama, she just marvels at the ingenuity of whoever came up with this religion, using fear instead of miracles - if the organization doesn't believe either, why would they kill Rika in front of the altar? It seems that every revelation brings even more unsolved questions. :) If Takano knows at least a large part of what's going on the village due to being a part of the organization, what's the point of all the scrapbooks full of theories she has?
Akasaka's wife is alive? I think I badly need to rewatch the episodes with him from the first season...
Ohh, well done remembering the scrapbook. Takano didn't believe any of the stuff she wrote in there. So when she gave it to Rena her intentions weren't to show Rena the truth, but to deceive and activate the "paranoia disease" they keep talking about. Takano is definately suspicious, but there's still no clues about her position in the conspiracy and why she would do that to Rena, or why she would cause Rika's shrine sacrifice or the great disaster.
Branding someone as the culprit won't solve the case, it's the motives that are important. But still, Rika trusts Takano, Irie, Tomitake too much. They can do whatever they want and it'll never come to light. Much may be revealed in this chapter...but I'm convicted it'll end in another ugly massacre like all chapters before it. Hell, that's what this chapter is titled.
Richard 23
2007-08-18, 14:49
I'm really enjoying this series. Waiting a week between each episode is painful of course. I think this is about as far as I've played the game so I will be completely in the dark from here on out.
Yui Horie as Hanyuu is great. I'd been waiting to see her animated like forever.
This world being too perfect is the same vibe I've been getting, but Rika is definitely making progress this time. And so are her friends.
Now most viewers have a reason to not trust the guys in the green uniforms. Rika hasn't been able to watch the series from a third person perspective. Plus she doesn't recall things which happen close to her death. Despite her moe mode, Takano and her security forces are not on Rika's side. I suspect Rika will find this out this time around and will remember it if things don't go as well as she hopes in this world.
I look forward to seeing how things eventually conclude. Another great series!
ayukanon45
2007-08-18, 14:50
un, yes, the title gives it away, i think. i like the speed this arc is going at. The next one would need more time right? what with Putting The Peices thing
FlareKnight
2007-08-18, 15:03
Well can't blame Rika for going for it. This is probably the best chance she's gotten in a long time so best make every move you can. Getting Keiichi to remember before was something incredible but here we have memories drifting back up for her friends which helped steer them from the danger of that paranoia. Again a big theme of talking to others and belief in your friends is huge. Rena could've gone down that dark past again if she hadn't talked to Mion and then her father.
The organization was a slight surprise though there have been clues leading to it. There has seemed to be more to those three than just their deaths that come up. Be nice of course to have more information to what kind've organization this is. While having those MIG being around is concerning have to try and wait and see. Clearly they are mercenaries or soldiers or something to that degree in that they will do what they are ordered to do. If it means killing Rika or protecting her. The key is the people up above who are handing out those orders and keeping them from making the call to kill Rika.
Surprised to see Akasaka around. But it's a pretty good sign to have him around just to help add here. Amazing that things that happened before Rika arrived are changed. This time he took her advice and went back to save his wife. Though that does mean that he missed the plea for help right?
Anyways I just wonder what the heck Hanyuu wants Rika to do. Just sit around and wait for her demise? If she has no faith they can do anything why bother bringing Rika back over and over again? Just seems like Rika is actively now trying to do something to fight against fate and Hanyuu isn't contributing. Of course with this not being the last arc they won't succeed but I doubt they know that :). If they are going to do anything they've got to try and optimism will help drive her forward to keep pushing.
I had trouble thinking Higurashi would be able to top their first season, but they've done it. I find each episode more and more thrilling, the week-long waits are killing me.
Higurashi literally gives me chills down my spine whenever they unveil a mystery and come one step closer to the truth. The fact that other people besides Keiichi are starting to recall events from past worlds is very intriguing, I wonder what would happen if two of them actually remember the same event.
We definitely got to see another side of Takano in this episode, she's always been so calm and teasing in her nature. Not that I mind it, not one bit. While we're on the subject cute, this episode had more cute Hanyuu moments than I can remember, she's truly adorable. She's very moderate, though. She says she has lived here for longer than Rika, so her pessimism might be well founded, since things have apparently never gone the right way before.
The ending was very satisfying, with Rika walking proudly, ready to take on the world with the power she now wields. Though her protectors seem to be the very same people she should fear the most, which of course is very interesting in itself, and leaves Takano/Tomitake wrapped in suspicion.
Ice Climbers
2007-08-18, 17:47
This episode was awesome, the Takano part caught me by surprise lol, who thought she would be like THAT :heh:
Man i need to read some TIPS now, held it off for too long :heh:
The Bloodlust Kid
2007-08-18, 17:59
I do feel i did hear "keiichi-seme to Ooishi-uke".
i don't even think fangirls would like THIS either... maybe keiichi and satoshi, but THIS :heh:
I can SO picture Ooishi going "Yaranaika?"
This episode was FANTASTIC!
The NIPPA~ scene was priceless. I expect to see animated .gif files of this soon, lol. And though I have been reading the TIPS on/off, I was quite surprised about the guys in the van. This episode delivered.
Sinestra
2007-08-18, 19:32
This episode had me very excited just from the title "How to change destiny" of course i gave it a 10.
I was amazed at how much changed in short amount of time. Instead of only Keiichi remembering the past they all did this time in the form of dreams. Whats more surprising was it was very simple to change course. Each person talked to another person about what they had experienced therefore changing destiny. It makes sense in all the other past worlds none them talked about whats was bothering them the end result being each one eventually killed someone. In my opinion the disasters that involve Keiichi, Mion, Shion, Rena and Satoko have been resolved i see no other way for them to repeat the past.
But there are always wildcards and unanswered questions. The big one being why is Rika killed and who does it. Rika was smart to remember that her death always comes after Watanagashi festival and always after Takano and Tomitake enter the shrine. I see Rika reasoning for letting them in the only way to get them to agree with her plan was too let them into the shrine. ITs still curse worthy but lets say both of them are protected till at least the next day that alone changes destiny since they did die on the night of the festival. Their fate being changed may change Rika's fate as well. The key is them actual doing what they promised. Rika cant watch them since she has to preform the blessing at the festival she can only trust their words. The biggest surprise was seeing that in this world Akasaka actually took Rikas warning and went back to Tokyo and prevented his wifes death. To me that is the final sign that this is the most opportune time for Rika to act. This final clue is what i believed made up Rikas mind to be determined that and the fact that she tested her protection status.
In the end i agree with Rika there will most likely never be a better chance to change things then in the current world. All of Rikas friends remembering the past has never happened before and honestly i doubt it would ever happen again. My theory is the reason why Rika failed in all the other worlds is because she had to wait for this particular world to change things forever. In other words all the other worlds she could not have changed things no matter how hard she tried its a game of patience. Im glad to see that she has new found determination to stop the killings and the ultimate fate of Hinamizawa to be changed. Unfortunetly there are always unknows and events that no one could predict. Im hopeful for the future since i think all parties deserve to live. But with a story like Higurashi iv learned that the slightest hope can turn into despair very quickly, especially when the MIG appear.
Sorrow-K
2007-08-18, 19:50
Great episode. For an episode that mostly only served the purpose of setting up the pieces for future eps, that was really enthralling. Akasaka's return and Takano moe were the highlights of the ep (Hanyuu's not the only one who doesn't know what to think of her now). I'm a bit iffy on K1, Rena and Shion all remembering their alternate selves coincidentally and simultaneously, but I do forgive the scene since it shows obvious character development, in the respect that they've learnt lessons from their previous experiences... even if they did take place in different universes. Overall, just an incredibly well crafted episode.
I think a lot of people are underestimating this Kon Chiaki. Higurashi is apparently his directional debut, but, if that's anything to go by, he clearly knows what he's doing.
I'm interested in the fact that Akasaka's wife was saved, even though Minagoroshi-hen techincally only started in June 1983, so changing something now couldn't have effected his wife's accident or lack thereof a few years back, right? (Yeay for toying with the time/space continuum.)I think different universes will have subtle differences. Rika still clearly warned Asakasa, even though Hanyuu didn't bring her into this world until recently. I'm not sure how all of that works... maybe Rika exists, but just doesn't remember anything or can tamper with the universe until Hanyuu revives her and places her into the new universe. Or maybe the whole thing works as a time machine, and the point at which Hanyuu bring Rika is the point at which the universe will diverge (think Noein). But the point is, my guess is that in some universes, people choose to listen to Rika, while in others, the same people choose not to. It's all probabilistic, I'm guessing, and in this particularly universe Rika was lucky enough that Asakasa choose to listen to her and take her warning seriously.And, as a result, some janitor dies. Let's all mourn the janitor and his noble sacrifice.
Kazuki_Kun
2007-08-18, 19:55
And, as a result, some janitor dies. Let's all mourn the janitor and his noble sacrifice.
Actually, the janitor survives if you look closely before the flashback ends.
Klashikari
2007-08-18, 19:56
Surprised to see Akasaka around. But it's a pretty good sign to have him around just to help add here. Amazing that things that happened before Rika arrived are changed. This time he took her advice and went back to save his wife. Though that does mean that he missed the plea for help right?
This is undoubtly correct: It appears Akasaka didn't get back at Hinamizawa. If he happened to have listened her plea in the past, he wouldn't be coming here, like a tourist (which he does ^^")
The good thing is he definitely belives her, so Rika can "use" him as a trumpcard.
Anyways I just wonder what the heck Hanyuu wants Rika to do. Just sit around and wait for her demise? If she has no faith they can do anything why bother bringing Rika back over and over again? Just seems like Rika is actively now trying to do something to fight against fate and Hanyuu isn't contributing. Of course with this not being the last arc they won't succeed but I doubt they know that :). If they are going to do anything they've got to try and optimism will help drive her forward to keep pushing.
I believe Hanyuu has a certain sense of perception and worry, since she was Rika's sole companion in this loop of hell.
I don't think Hanyuu would like to keeps things idle, but on the other hand, she is right for one thing: Rika is absurdly confident, even overconfident.
While it isn't a disadvantage itself, Rika must understand she has to keep her feet on the ground, and use the situation in her profit, and not beginning to go reckless.
I believe things would go smoother, if Rika kept her sense of danger/alert active, trying more likely to get HELP from everyone else. She is too confident with the "easy" cards, and didn't even pull other options (Keiichi and the others. Simply put she just wanted to prevent tragedies, but didn't bother to share the burden with everyone else. this is ironic, considering what Keiichi, Rena and Shion did in this episode)
Of course things are extremely optimist, and if we take rika's place, i believe most -if not everyone- will react like her. But Hanyuu, despite being the gloomy "eyesore" here might be the wise voice, ironically :x
well then... finally got my brain to do the analysis.
trust me, it was a pain ~~'
Episode 7 : Analysis, thoughts and random comments (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/08/19/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-7-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)
in bonus in this entry : MOE Takano, Game version!
Sinestra
2007-08-18, 19:58
Great episode. [/spoiler]And, as a result, some janitor dies. Let's all mourn the janitor and his noble sacrifice.
The Janitor did die take a look at this. The janitor is sitting up at the bottom of the steps.
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And, as a result, some janitor dies. Let's all mourn the janitor and his noble sacrifice.
Made me laugh out loud, thanks, I needed that. ^^
Supergrunch
2007-08-18, 20:06
Yamainu. Discuss.
Speaking as someone who doesn't know that many spoilers, they obviously aren't literally mountain dogs, and are presumably the guys in green.
I think the only explanation for Akasaka's wife not being dead is that by episode 15 and The Great Hinamizawa Disaster Hanyuu's powers were a lot stronger so she was able get Rika back in a time at a point before 1978. It's a bit weird that he doesn't appear in the other arcs but then again the main issue in the beginning of this arc is the newfound hope caused by "miracles" so Akasaka deciding on a whim to go on a vacation in Hinamizawa is hardly more likely to happen than Shion, Keiichi and Rena all remembering fragments of other word events. I read Kashikari's analysis but I am not convinced that the "time-jump" can change events further in the past. If it could shouldn't in some of the worlds K1 or Rena not come to live in Hinamizawa for instance?
And as mentioned in the analysis, Irie seems willing to believe that Rika suffers from paranoia which seems to point very strongly indeed that the disease of her and Satoko has to with paranoia and probably with cutting one's own throat as an end result.
Sorrow-K
2007-08-18, 21:36
well then... finally got my brain to do the analysis.
trust me, it was a pain ~~'
Episode 7 : Analysis, thoughts and random comments (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/08/19/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-7-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)
in bonus in this entry : MOE Takano, Game version!
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa18/Klashikari1/34Moe06.jpg
Was "moe" even a word in the otaku vernacular back in 1983?
The Janitor did die take a look at this. The janitor is sitting up at the bottom of the steps.
[http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/710/vlcsnap877397nz8.th.png
... Damn.
FlareKnight
2007-08-18, 22:28
Oh well the Janitor still did take a tumble which undoubtedly hurt a bit. So I guess we can still mourn...his sore rear? :heh:
Didn't mean to be harsh on Hanyuu and I can understand her viewpoint on this. After all if it does go bad then Rika will of course be really broken up with disappointment. But I think the example she got from Keiichi if you don't go at fate with confidence and the mindset that you can change it you won't be able to change things. I'm sure that if I was in Rika's position being human it's hard not to get caught up in being confident. Don't know maybe I was just looking for a bit of hope coming from Hanyuu for her companion in this spiral of doom. If she knows something specific about things going bad it might not hurt to voice that.
But guess in the end she is trying to be a balance in keeping Rika from going too far in one direction or the other. Probably would be best to attack this thing from a more moderate or cautious optimism point of view. Now just to figure out how things will proceed. Since Rika won't have a chance to steel herself for disappointment I'll try to keep in that mindset until things go down bad.
Klashikari
2007-08-19, 03:59
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa18/Klashikari1/34Moe06.jpg
Was "moe" even a word in the otaku vernacular back in 1983?
Probably not. The thing is: the game is filled with various anachronism on purpose :heh: (various terms and trademarks on several comedic scenes like this one, i.e : mention of card captor sakura, etc XD)
I've laughed at Ooshi before, though nothing compares to his APPEARANCE OUT OF NOWHERE in this episode --- brilliant.
BakaOnna
2007-08-19, 11:34
Another excellent episode. DEEN is steamrolling this new season.
Wow... I never imaged that Takano could be so bubbly. :heh: And the Shion/Sakoto moment was so sweet.
Deathwing
2007-08-19, 14:33
awesome episode i can't wait to see whats to come in this arc (i haven't played the games or read the spoilers of whats to come so im really in suspense) things seem to be lining up to help rika win against her fate this time but with a name like massacre arc and the series only halfway through i don't think this one will be a happy ending. On the other hand she won't have a chance like this again with everyone remembering their past a chance like this won't happen again.
ThreadsofFate
2007-08-19, 14:45
It could just be a massacre of the Rules..? >_>
Klashikari
2007-08-19, 14:52
Not really, since the etymology of the word explicitely mean "humans being salughtered" ^^" (both if we translate litteraly "Minagoroshi" or the meaning of the english word)
also, we are only at the third way, not exactly half way of the series. many more things left ^^
ThreadsofFate
2007-08-19, 14:54
It was a joke.-.-; And besides, it's an anime. "Massacre" doesn't have to mean humans, not that it does in everyday talk either.
Klashikari
2007-08-19, 14:57
Well, sarcasm and joke don't really work well on the net (or with me i guess *sigh*)
also indeed. but it is most likely to emphasis the content of the chapter anyway. Much like how the rest of the chapters foreshadow the plot :)
Aside of this, many still think it will be a plain disaster, but why actually this title then? well not really that a hint (i hope so).
Thinking of minagoroshi and its length, as far as the chapter goes (well the pace isn't too inconstant), it should end within 4-5 episodes (most likely)
kingsky123
2007-08-19, 15:22
Not really, since the etymology of the word explicitely mean "humans being salughtered" ^^" (both if we translate litteraly "Minagoroshi" or the meaning of the english word)
also, we are only at the third way, not exactly half way of the series. many more things left ^^
i thought 'minagoroshi'= mina + goroshi meaning like everyone gets killed?
awesome episode i can't wait to see whats to come in this arc (i haven't played the games or read the spoilers of whats to come so im really in suspense) things seem to be lining up to help rika win against her fate this time but with a name like massacre arc and the series only halfway through i don't think this one will be a happy ending. On the other hand she won't have a chance like this again with everyone remembering their past a chance like this won't happen again.
It may very well happen again. Shion "remembering" her past has happened twice now. However Rika's mistake this time is obvious. She's left herself out of the circle of friends in the games club by not telling them any of her secrets even though at that moment they were more receptive than ever before. She has taken without giving, choosing instead to repose her faith in Irie, Takano, and Tomitake. Not relying on your group of friends is _always_ the wrong choice in a Japanese cartoon. Tomitake's a nice guy apparently, but he is not Rika's friend and neither are Irie and Takano. Rika isn't thinking of the games club as friends to be relied upon for support but as obstacles who are finally out of the way, and that is what means she has no chance of success this time because her thinking is still impure.
ThreadsofFate
2007-08-19, 20:09
Though it was not shown in the anime, sadly, Tomitake was quite friendly with the entire club. I still hope we'll see some of it in the anime, but the moment seems to have passed.;-;
Now Takano on the other hand...she's just creepy. Who confides in the creepy one who seems to be giddy whenever she talks about the murders?>_>;
Sterling01
2007-08-19, 20:52
Takano is really a child at heart
And she is also really sick
ThreadsofFate
2007-08-19, 20:54
The deadliest guise evil can have is innocence.
MrZombie
2007-08-19, 22:16
It may very well happen again. Shion "remembering" her past has happened twice now. However Rika's mistake this time is obvious. She's left herself out of the circle of friends in the games club by not telling them any of her secrets even though at that moment they were more receptive than ever before. She has taken without giving, choosing instead to repose her faith in Irie, Takano, and Tomitake. Not relying on your group of friends is _always_ the wrong choice in a Japanese cartoon. Tomitake's a nice guy apparently, but he is not Rika's friend and neither are Irie and Takano. Rika isn't thinking of the games club as friends to be relied upon for support but as obstacles who are finally out of the way, and that is what means she has no chance of success this time because her thinking is still impure.
Remembering has nothing to do with Shion's and Keiichi's actions in this arc. It also seems that guilt can carry over from other worlds as well. Before she killed herself in Maekashi-hen Shion was begging for another chance at having her relationship with Satoko again saying she wouldn't blow it again. Same kind of thing with when Keiichi gave the doll to Mion. He didn't remember anything beyond maybe a sense of guilt that he thought of not giving the doll to Mion.
Remembering has nothing to do with Shion's and Keiichi's actions in this arc. It also seems that guilt can carry over from other worlds as well.
Without some kind of memory, there's no cause for guilt. Of course one other thing I noticed is that Ooishi is still trying to cast Mion as a yakuza oujo, which she isn't, quite.
ThreadsofFate
2007-08-20, 00:04
When did he do that?O_o
When did he do that?O_o
"Mion of the Scarlet Peony". I'm pretty sure his mental image is something out of Yakuza movies.
Klashikari
2007-08-20, 01:15
I believe this is the other way around: I think Mion disliked Ooishi because of the fact he sealed Mion and the Sonozaki in the image of "bad Yakuza", and his obnoxious obsession about the Hinamizawa incidents.
However, Ooishi proved in Minagoroshi-hen that he knows how to stick on his work or not.
Furthermore, that nickname was more like a joke or humourous note about her roll skill, which definitely gives Mion the confirmation that Ooishi isn't a blockhead as he was supposed to be.
theacefrehley
2007-08-20, 06:18
Now
the "janitors" are definitely linked to Irie or Takano or Tomitake or the three of them
One of the 3 is the culprit or the "janitors" are going to betray them at some point
Given that all 3 of them end up dead in worlds that the GHD happens there is some kind of betrayal going on.
haiz123321
2007-08-21, 04:40
OMG Hanyuu's reaction= priceless!!! ^^ and i finally get the see the au au au thing lols XD that was cuteeee. Btw whats the meaning of moe?
Who are the three men in the end that stopped the gangsters?
Aren't they the men in grey, who are bad people?
Klashikari
2007-08-21, 06:48
These are men from the "Yamainu", the special unit Takano, Tomitake and Irie dispatched for Rika.
Indeed, they look really alike with the janitors from the previous arcs.
I find Tomitakes comment "how do we explain this to Tokyo?" interesting. Does this imply that there is some kind of HQ in Tokyo which monitors the things happening in Hinamizawa?
+ for Ooishi in this episode. Mion of the Scarlet Peony!
I find Tomitakes comment "how do we explain this to Tokyo?" interesting. Does this imply that there is some kind of HQ in Tokyo which monitors the things happening in Hinamizawa?
Well probably not an HQ as such, but their source of financing, goons and cover. Tokyo is the political and financial center of Japan. That's where the power is. It's like New York, L.A and Washington all combined into one city. Tomitake's job apparently is to act as the connection between Irie's backers and Irie, Takano and the plumbers (Yamainu). Knowing as we do by this episode that the plumbers are part of Irie's operation, it becomes clearer why in the first episodes the plumbers clobbered a psychotic Keeichi and left him to await Irie's arrival (Irie being the "manager" that Mion talks about).
Sinestra
2007-08-21, 14:15
Who are the three men in the end that stopped the gangsters?
Aren't they the men in grey, who are bad people?
Thats the problem we dont know who the bad people are. Remember in every past HinamizawaRika is killed but no one not even Rika her self knows who and why her murder was carried out. The MIG are from the Yamainu and they look similar to the MIG from the previous arc but what is there true purpose Satoko and Rika are prime research material that is why Rika is so protected and why Satoko goes to the doctor for test. That in its self might have something to do with the level of protection she recieves
Sterling01
2007-08-21, 15:24
I think Yamainu are kinda like mercenaries
or am I wrong?
I think Yamainu are kinda like mercenaries
or am I wrong?
A black ops military unit seems more likely.
awesome episode i can't wait to see whats to come in this arc (i haven't played the games or read the spoilers of whats to come so im really in suspense) things seem to be lining up to help rika win against her fate this time but with a name like massacre arc and the series only halfway through i don't think this one will be a happy ending. On the other hand she won't have a chance like this again with everyone remembering their past a chance like this won't happen again.
Im an amateur here and I didnt play the game either. But Hanyuu said in the end that they ll fail again. First, it was highly doubtful that Takano and Tomitake would follow Rika's advice. Then the point where things got wrong seemed to have smth to do with the scene where Rika kicked the bike. Also the white van and the guys in grey are really bothering me.
Actually a much better analysis is given at animehistory.worldpress.com in the comments to ep 7.
It seems nearly everyone in Hinamizawa dislikes Ooishi. It's not only Mion. Why would he wear a knife-proof vest during the dam war hmm ? Also, he usually instill distrust between our friends with his sneaky technique of using one of them to spy the group. Remember his attitude toward K1 during the third arc. He is rather strong at making ennemies IMHO.
Klashikari
2007-08-22, 07:09
Correct, this is mainly because he has a huge obession about the incidents, especially because the dam manager was an old friend, who he considered as a father IIRC.
But the fact that most -if not everyone- in Hinamizawa hates him is rather for his methods, which are related to his obession, and his incoming retirement. Guess he is good to create commotion, under some conditions (much like Shion issues, depending on some points as well)
But this chapter proves Ooishi can leave the matter aside, and befriends with anyone. (leading to Mion's change of heart)
In fact, we can consider OOishi as a very picky man? :heh:
Well, at least, he is kinda "cuddly" with Akasaka and Kuma, and in this chapter as well. (gah, if only they kept the mah jong scenes... at least some dramaCD reinforce this aspect of Ooishi)
but of course, in the other arcs, he has the obnoxious habit to be either intimidating, or tricky, so he can get a spy among the kids group. (very important, since he has a huge grudge against the sonozaki)
I think Ooishi is one of the characters who've we've truly seen a lot of sides of. He has been everything from a nosy investigator, a kind old man, a devious plotter, and even a downright jackass. He's shown a lot of good characteristics, such as integrity and bravery, but has also been shown willing to do almost anything as long as it benefits his cause. He has a sort of "the ends justify the means" mentality to him, I think.
I think its things like that which give his character real depth. He's not "good" or "evil". He changes his attitude depending on the situation, as we've seen...a very realistic characteristic.
I wonder why Oishi doesn't seem to mind that Mion is walking around with a gun in a shoulder-holster RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM.
Yes, I agree. I think this is a big part of what makes Higurashi such an enjoyable show, they have a very good and unique way of showing us character development, since we get to see the characters in so many different scenarios, yet it doesn't clog the storyline with unfinished side stories. I think this adds a lot of depth to most of the characters.
I've pondered the gun issue as well, but I'm sure Ooishi, as an experienced officer, can tell the difference between a toy and the real thing. Assuming it's not real, that is. :p
Sterling01
2007-08-22, 15:49
The Gun is fake
And it is never used in the entire story
Well yeah; I was pretty much joking, I assume she doesn't carry a real gun with her to school and to the playground. :p
Sterling01
2007-08-22, 16:34
Shion carries a taser with her
Omfgbbqwtf
2007-08-22, 19:50
so... That is a gun that Mion carries with her. I always wonder what that thing is. I keep telling myself it is not a gun, since it jsut doesn't make much sense to me.
For the episode, I guess Rika is gettign cocky now. With the janitor-looking guys to protect her, Rika seems to be pretty confident that she can finally save everyone including herself.
Sterling01
2007-08-22, 20:07
I just noticed that they did already stop Onikakushi-hen/Tsumihoroboshi-hen & Watanagashi-hen/Meakashi-hen from happening but they haven't done anything that would stop Tatarigoroshi-hen from happening
MrZombie
2007-08-22, 20:32
How can they stop that one? Tatarigororshi is the one where none of them have any control over it happening. All the key players in it are all outside of Hinamizawa.
Sterling01
2007-08-22, 22:28
So it could happen
Kang Seung Jae
2007-08-22, 22:49
I love the way that Takano cracks up.......
NIPPPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Plus, Rika's comment:
"It feels like Takano's stock is falling all over the world"
Mirrinus
2007-08-22, 23:33
Wow. Just wow. Takano was awesome in this episode. Go Droopy-tan!
Knowing as we do by this episode that the plumbers are part of Irie's operation, it becomes clearer why in the first episodes the plumbers clobbered a psychotic Keeichi and left him to await Irie's arrival (Irie being the "manager" that Mion talks about).
Interesting point. I had the feeling that the Yamainu were a different organization, but I guess there is no sense in introducing too many new characters at this point. The mere sight of the Men In Green makes my blood go cold, though. Irie should be on Rikas side! ><
MezzoDragon
2007-08-23, 05:47
The best way for Rika to make Irie an ally is for her to dress in a maid's costume; controlling him via his fetish.
It would probably be even better to use Satoko, in that case.
Interesting point. I had the feeling that the Yamainu were a different organization, but I guess there is no sense in introducing too many new characters at this point. The mere sight of the Men In Green makes my blood go cold, though. Irie should be on Rikas side! ><
Irie is. Remember, Irie dies before Rika does.
Sterling01
2007-08-23, 13:42
The Set Death order is this
1. Tommy claws his neck, Takano goes missing then is later found burnt to death
2. Irie commits suicide
3. Rika gets killed
4. The GHD happens
HigurashiNeze1231
2007-08-23, 17:46
The preview for episode 8 looks good, it looks like DEEN decided to tone down the character's exaggerated crazy faces. As for the episode itself...
Keiichi, Rena, and Shion all revealed their dreams, and Rika knew they were talking about past worlds... it's a little stupid of Rika IMO to not even bother trying to explain her situation when her friends are going on explaining themselves. Instead she decides to go with her plan of trying to change the event of Tomitake and Takano entering the shrine, and she now is basing her luck in this world solely on the trust of Takano, Tomitake, and Irie. I wasn't expecting Takano to go all "Ni Paa~" (which is now one of my favorite scenes of the anime) since I haven't played the games, and Hanyuu was also really cute in the scene inside the shrine. However, seeing those MIG have always disturbed me and creeped me out, and when I saw them walking towards Rika after kicking the bikes, I honestly thought they were going to throw her in a bag and kill her again. Looks like they have ties to Takano, Tomitake, and Irie.. but I'm just confused as to why they kill Rika in all of the other arcs then. I've read the TIPS and I'm still confused. >_< Oh well, now just time to wait for episode 8 to be subbed.
FatPianoBoy
2007-08-23, 17:58
It seems to be within a short enough time frame that Irie and and Rika are killed that she doesn't become aware of it before she's killed. This may be what spins around and kicks this world in the butt :(
kingsky123
2007-08-24, 03:34
The preview for episode 8 looks good, it looks like DEEN decided to tone down the character's exaggerated crazy faces. As for the episode itself...
Keiichi, Rena, and Shion all revealed their dreams, and Rika knew they were talking about past worlds... it's a little stupid of Rika IMO to not even bother trying to explain her situation when her friends are going on explaining themselves. Instead she decides to go with her plan of trying to change the event of Tomitake and Takano entering the shrine, and she now is basing her luck in this world solely on the trust of Takano, Tomitake, and Irie. I wasn't expecting Takano to go all "Ni Paa~" (which is now one of my favorite scenes of the anime) since I haven't played the games, and Hanyuu was also really cute in the scene inside the shrine. However, seeing those MIG have always disturbed me and creeped me out, and when I saw them walking towards Rika after kicking the bikes, I honestly thought they were going to throw her in a bag and kill her again. Looks like they have ties to Takano, Tomitake, and Irie.. but I'm just confused as to why they kill Rika in all of the other arcs then. I've read the TIPS and I'm still confused. >_< Oh well, now just time to wait for episode 8 to be subbed.
if a little girl told me that i would send her to the doctor :P.
if a little girl told me that i would send her to the doctor :P.
To Irie-sensei? :p
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