The Raki discussion [Archive] - Page 9

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 18:30

this new generation of claymores (dietrich, renee, rachael, audrey, clarice) are they in the same age group as raki? like around 19 or 20? :confused:

i'm just wondering, that's all.

Frankly, it's hard to tell how old ANY Claymore.

The problem is, differentiating their actual age with their physical age, and Awakening only makes things more complicated.

Apparantely, after the operation, the aging process is dramatically slowed no matter how old you are and you physically age very slowly until the physical prime of your life(early to mid twenties). After that, you're frozen.

Irene for example looks old because of her apparant silver hair and elven features, but if she's younger then Teresa, why does Teresa look young and fresh and Irene looks like a senior. Get it?

To answer your question: It's hard to say but most of them look, and they should be, like their somewhere in their 20's, though some pics make them look even older. Clarice looks like a teenager who just entered high school(14-17), especially since she has a baby face. Not a pre-teen, but someone who just crossed that border.

Did the best I could, Aging is a tricky subject. Too many things to take into account: actual age, physical age, how their faces look. Clare for example looks like she aged a great deal since the earliest chapters, but I think that has more to do with Yagi's art style improving rather then actual aging. The exception is Riful, she has aged no matter what you say.

hell88

2009-06-05, 18:39

Frankly, it's hard to tell how old ANY Claymore.

The problem is, differentiating their actual age with their physical age, and Awakening only makes things more complicated.

Apparantely, after the operation, the aging process is dramatically slowed no matter how old you are and you physically age very slowly until the physical prime of your life(early to mid twenties). After that, you're frozen.

Irene for example looks old because of her apparant silver hair and elven features, but if she's younger then Teresa, why does Teresa look young and fresh and Irene looks like a senior. Get it?

To answer your question: It's hard to say but most of them look, and they should be, like their somewhere in their 20's, though some pics make them look even older. Clarice looks like a teenager who just entered high school(14-17), especially since she has a baby face. Not a pre-teen, but someone who just crossed that border.

Did the best I could, Aging is a tricky subject. Too many things to take into account: actual age, physical age, how their faces look. Clare for example looks like she aged a great deal since the earliest chapters, but I think that has more to do with Yagi's art style improving rather then actual aging. The exception is Riful, she has aged no matter what you say.

I think she was only asking if some of the claymores from the new generation were born around the time Raki probably was. I think some of them are.

@Clarakiss: Clarice and Dietrich look like they are probably younger than Raki, the others you named look a little older than he is.

revan5

2009-06-05, 18:45

this new generation of claymores (dietrich, renee, rachael, audrey, clarice) are they in the same age group as raki? like around 19 or 20? :confused:

i'm just wondering, that's all.

I'm guessing that most are under 25 years of age. Claire, when we first see her, appears to be around 15 years of age. As the manga goes on, Yagi's drawings of her get more mature, till we get to the present time, where she appears to be around 20-25. I call this look "mature youth", which is where Irene, Teresa and Galatea all stopped.

If I had to guess, I'd say 20 years old is about right, considering their obvious stupidity in even attempting to take down Riful.

Miria I would guess to be around 30 years old. Claire, the youngest of the Ghosts, is probably around 22. Galatea, on the other hand, is probably at least 35 years old, judging by her excellent knowledge of the Org. Irene would, were she alive, have been probably around 45 years old.

Claire, Raki, Miria and Galatea go walking in Rabona's streets
Claire: "So how old are you Galatea?"
Galatea: "Claire, how many times must I tell you about not discussing my age?!?"
Miria: "You only say that because you don't want the young priest you've been romancing to be embarrassed..."
Galatea: "Why you!"
Miria: "So what if you're thirty-five? I'm sure a cougar like you doesn't have trouble finding prey!":naughty:
Galatea: "Well I guess you could say 'I'm an Oldie, but a Goodie'".
Raki is awestruck by Galatea's ripped nun's outfit:love:: "You're an Oldie and I'm having a...":naughty:
Claire immediately stops Raki with a :bash:

hell88

2009-06-05, 18:50

I'm guessing that most are under 25 years of age. Claire, when we first see her, appears to be around 15 years of age. As the manga goes on, Yagi's drawings of her get more mature, till we get to the present time, where she appears to be around 20-25. I call this look "mature youth", which is where Irene, Teresa and Galatea all stopped.

If I had to guess, I'd say 20 years old is about right, considering their obvious stupidity in even attempting to take down Riful.

Miria I would guess to be around 30 years old. Claire, the youngest of the Ghosts, is probably around 22. Galatea, on the other hand, is probably at least 35 years old, judging by her excellent knowledge of the Org. Irene would, were she alive, have been probably around 45 years old.

Claire, Raki, Miria and Galatea go walking in Rabona's streets
Claire: "So how old are you Galatea?"
Galatea: "Claire, how many times must I tell you about not discussing my age?!?"
Miria: "You only say that because you don't want the young priest you've been romancing to be embarrassed..."
Galatea: "Why you!"
Miria: "So what if you're thirty-five? I'm sure a cougar like you doesn't have trouble finding prey!":naughty:
Galatea: "Well I guess you could say 'I'm an Oldie, but a Goodie'".
Raki is awestruck by Galatea's ripped nun's outfit:love:: "You're and Oldie and I'm having a...":naughty:
Claire immediately stops Raki with a :bash:

:heh: That's a good one.:)

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 18:52

I think she was only asking if some of the claymores from the new generation were born around the time Raki probably was. I think some of them are.

@Clarakiss: Clarice and Dietrich look like they are probably younger than Raki, the others you named look a little older than he is.

Rofl, I can't help but write an essay when I get juicy questions like that :heh:

I'm guessing that most are under 25 years of age. Claire, when we first see her, appears to be around 15 years of age. As the manga goes on, Yagi's drawings of her get more mature, till we get to the present time, where she appears to be around 20-25. I call this look "mature youth", which is where Irene, Teresa and Galatea all stopped.

Reven, the characters don't improve in look, everything does. Look at the chapter with Rubel under the bridge, the detail in Rubel's clothes is better then most things in this entire manga. You can't deny his drawing skills have steadily improved, which has to be connected.

For the sake of longevity, I can't imagine Claymores physically age past a certain point. I mean, just look at Rapahela, she's one of the oldest Claymores around and she doesn't look like any 45 year old I know, and I think she's older then Irene. :heh::innocent::naughty:

And then we have other things that change with time, partially with Yagi's new decisions. Dauf for example, looks much more menacing and evil inside the tunnel then he did later on outside; you can say it's because we actually see his entire size, but I say Yagi actually made him a bit smaller, perhaps because he really isn't that strong compared to alot of forces(and he's stupid :heh:). Priscilla's the same; when she first awakens, her hair stands up and she looks extremely malevolent. When she fights Rigardo, this is not the case and she doesn't look so crazy and evil, probably because Yagi decided she would not remain the villain.

revan5

2009-06-05, 19:08

Reven, the characters don't improve in look, everything does. Look at the chapter with Rubel under the bridge, the detail in Rubel's clothes is better then most things in this entire manga. You can't deny his drawing skills have steadily improved, which has to be connected.

For the sake of longevity, I can't imagine Claymores physically age past a certain point. I mean, just look at Rapahela, she's one of the oldest Claymores around and she doesn't look like any 45 year old I know, and I think she's older then Irene. :heh::innocent::naughty:

And then we have other things that change with time, partially with Yagi's new decisions. Dauf for example, looks much more menacing and evil inside the tunnel then he did later on outside; you can say it's because we actually see his entire size, but I say Yagi actually made him a bit smaller, perhaps because he really isn't that strong compared to alot of forces(and he's stupid :heh:). Priscilla's the same; when she first awakens, her hands stands up and she looks extremely malevolent. When she fights Rigardo, this is not the case and she doesn't look so crazy and evil, probably because Yagi decided she would not remain the villain.

Once again Padawan, you disappoint your Master. As Darth REVAN recalls, this is the 14th time you have misspelled the word "Revan" as "Reven". The poor Dark Lord doesn't know what to do. I've tried force lightning, force choke, and even force persuasion, and yet this continues.

Wait, you wouldn't happen to be cyborg would you, Padawan Shiek?

As for the remarks regarding the improved drawings...yes, they do improve a lot over the series, but I stand by my comments on Claire appearing older in the recent arc of the story. She simply appears more bad-ass and less insecure than she once did, even if better drawing is responsible for much of it.

I think Yagi did modify her looks somewhat. Check out claire from chapters 1-4 versus Claire from chapters 67-current. If your theory holds though, you'd have to double-check her looks from chapter 60 versus 67. Having done so myself, I still say she looks older, better drawings "being responsible" or not!

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 19:15

Once again Padawan, you disappoint your Master. As Darth REVAN recalls, this is the 14th time you have misspelled the word "Revan" as "Reven". The poor Dark Lord doesn't know what to do. I've tried force lightning, force choke, and even force persuasion, and yet this continues.

Wait, you wouldn't happen to be cyborg would you, Padawan Shiek?

As for the remarks regarding the improved drawings...yes, they do improve a lot over the series, but I stand by my comments on Claire appearing older in the recent arc of the story. She simply appears more bad-ass and less insecure than she once did, even if better drawing is responsible for much of it.

I think Yagi did modify her looks somewhat. Check out claire from chapters 1-4 versus Claire from chapters 67-current. If your theory holds though, you'd have to double-check her looks from chapter 60 versus 67. Having done so myself, I still say she looks older, better drawings "being responsible" or not!

Perhaps diplomacy is best; You say she got older, I say she didn't. She probably did age, but not by a great deal(1-5 years tops). Too much, and it's dumb. And those comparisons were my examples on why she DIDN't age :heh: However, I don't remember a single[B] moment where Claire was ever "insecure".

Nevertheless, his old drawings, nay, the whole manga as a whole was very "stock" and simple in the earliest chapters. Thankfully he kept at it, and began adding more and more original material and matured his own unique art style. You can also say all the characters aged(and they probably did a little), but I stand by what I said and say that has more to do with his drawings simply improving.

Oh and Master? Your name is pronouced "[B]Reven" ;) I'm more amazed you actually counted XD

revan5

2009-06-05, 19:23

Perhaps diplomacy is best; You say she got older, I say she didn't. She probably did age, but not by a great deal. Too much, and it's dumb. And those comparisons were my examples on why she DIDN't age :heh: However, I don't remember a single[B] moment where Claire was ever "insecure".

Nevertheless, his old drawings, nay, the whole manga as a whole was very "stock" and simple in the earliest chapters. Thankfully he kept at it, and began adding more and more original material and matured his own unique art style. You can also say all the characters aged(and they probably did a little), but I stand by what I said and say that has more to do with his drawings simply improving.

Oh and Master? Your name is pronouced "[B]Reven" ;) I'm more amazed you actually counted XD

Make note to self, "Must torture Shiek927 with forced viewing of Raki at his most annoying" until he stops saying "reven", since it's spelled "Revan".

Second note to self, "Get Padawan 'replaced'" if all else fails.

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 19:24

Make note to self, "Must torture Shiek927 with forced viewing of Raki at his most annoying" until he stops saying "reven", since it's spelled "Revan".

Second note to self, "Get Padawan 'replaced'" if all else fails.

Raki could never annoy me! The kids a miniature Luke Skywalker!

I'm practically his biggest fan :D

revan5

2009-06-05, 19:32

Raki could never annoy me! The kids a miniature Luke Skywalker!

I'm practically his biggest fan :D

:eek:Bangs head on keyboard...:nono:

Quick, Hell, we need to get Shiek to the psych ward fast, he needs :help:!

For the sake of the community, you mind explaining why a ten-year old Raki is not aggravating? Him at 17 I can take, his younger self on the other hand...

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 19:38

:eek:Bangs head on keyboard...:nono:

Quick, Hell, we need to get Shiek to the psych ward fast, he needs :help:!

For the sake of the community, you mind explaining why a ten-year old Raki is not aggravating? Him at 17 I can take, his younger self on the other hand...

Revan, surely by now you see how much I like all of him(that may have came out the wrong way :uhoh:), look how much I defend him: here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2418561#post2418561

Sorry, but the kid is one of my favorite characters. You can show me his most pitiful moments where he weeps like a dumb dog, I still think he's a hero :)

And besides, I was already in a psyche ward when I was in middle-school, *sign, those were the days....:heh::D, Good times, good times

hell88

2009-06-05, 19:41

@Revan5: I'm not sure I want to be a part of this. :twitch:

MisterJB

2009-06-05, 19:42

C'mon shiek.
Luke is ten times more annoying than Raki. He and Jar Jar are the reasons why I was never able to watch a prequel SW movie from the beggining to the end

clarakiss~

2009-06-05, 19:44

:meh: you guys are truly hilarious!

padawan sheik! lol lol lol but i must say, my yoki is quite enormous in the 'biggest raki fan' department... gomen ne padawan shiek! :p

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 20:19

C'mon shiek.
Luke is ten times more annoying than Raki. He and Jar Jar are the reasons why I was never able to watch a prequel SW movie from the beggining to the end

Uhhhhh, I'm assuming you mean Anakin. Luke was never in the prequels, only as a baby in the last movie. To dare call Luke Skywalker annoying...:frustrated:

Honestly MisterJB, you make it sound like you never saw any of the originals :twitch:

Then again, now that I remember my posts in the Live Action thread(http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2412965#post2412965), Raki's resemblence to Anakin is also extremely uncanny. I dare say, Yagi based him off Anakin a little bit.

padawan sheik! lol lol lol but i must say, my yoki is quite enormous in the 'biggest raki fan' department... gomen ne padawan shiek!

Hehe, awww. Actually, considering I'm apparantely a bad Padawan, I may actually take you up as my apprentice. We're the only ones who apparentely like Raki :D

But really, "I like all of him", what was I thinking? :heh:

MisterJB

2009-06-05, 20:30

I'm assuming you mean Anakin. Luke was never in the prequels, only as a baby in the last movie. To dare call Luke Skywalker annoying...:frustrated:

Honestly MisterJB, you make it sound like you never saw any of the originals :twitch:

So, Anakin was the father/asmatic one and Luke was the guy who got his hand chopped off in the fourth movie, right?

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 20:34

So, Anakin was the father/asmatic one and Luke was the guy who got his hand chopped off in the fourth movie, right?

......Fifth movie :twitch::twitch:

MisterJB......you have failed me greatly :frustrated::frustrated:

And Luke wasn't just any old "guy", he was his son.

You sure you're not an Abyssal who's also been sleeping in a hole for a 100 years?(JK :heh:) :uhoh:

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 20:49

The fifth?
I remember a tattoed guy from the first movie who had double red ligthsabers. That one was really cool.

Well, that I could remember. I mean, that line is everywhere.

I had already heard:

"Luke, I'm your father"

before I knew what Star Wars was and even before I could speak a single word of english.

No, I'm not an Abyssal...that would be freaking awesome tough:cool:.
I wonder... if Raki had been implanted Yoma flesh, would he have been #1 material?

Basically, claymores are normal humans that were powerless against the Yoma before becoming half Yoma. So, it's logical that a if a human, who could already kill Yoma were to become a Claymore, that human would be a much stronger Claymore than usual.

*sign, MisterJB, I find your lack of Star Wars knowledge disturbing

Yes, Darth Maul from Episode 1. Episode 1-3, the "new ones"(they take place earlier in the series, but came out later), highlight Anakin Skywalker, the father, and his transformation to the evil Darth Vader. The originals, 4-6, the "older" ones, highlight his son Luke Skywalker's journey into the Jedi Knight who redeems him. It's sort of like, Episode 1-3 are about Teresa, and Episode 4-6, are about Claire.

Hard to say. Theirs a lot of unknown factors on how one warrior is stronger then the others. Part of it depends on the actual Yoma that was used in the process, and how much. Claire for example has only 1/4, but that 1/4 is from Teresa, so we know she's obviously no weakling, even if she was at first.

As far as we know, their is nothing about the actual person that helps determine how strong of a warrior they will be before the operation. If we are too assume, for example, that the flesh would be from either Isley or Priscilla, Raki would grow up to be an extremely powerful warrior in time, especially if 1/2 was used and not 1/4. And of course, all the other things that determines power: How much training/experience, half-awakened or not, awakened or not, any techniques etc.

A good question is: What would happen if two yoma were used? Both Isley AND Priscilla? as far as I can tell, such a thing has never been done before.

clarakiss~

2009-06-05, 22:21

We're the only ones who apparentely like Raki :D

But really, "I like all of him", what was I thinking? :heh:

ha ha ha... think again padawan sheik! nobodyman is a big fan too but he's still under me in the 'really' like department. *looks around to see if nobodyman is actually around and doesn't sees him* bwahahahahaha! :p

putting isley and priscilla flesh in someone like raki probably isn't such a good idea. it might just destory his body or mess up his mind completely. two different kinds of yoma flesh inside a person would create chaos as isley's and priscilla's flesh clashing against one another, trying to gain dominance over the person's body.

Shiek927

2009-06-05, 22:34

ha ha ha... think again padawan sheik! nobodyman is a big fan too but he's still under me in the 'really' like department. *looks around to see if nobodyman is actually around and doesn't sees him* bwahahahahaha! :p

putting isley and priscilla flesh in someone like raki probably isn't such a good idea. it might just destory his body or mess up his mind completely. two different kinds of yoma flesh inside a person would create chaos as isley's and priscilla's flesh clashing against one another, trying to gain dominance over the person's body.

Oh hoh, so you have a Padawan of your own? :D
Whatever happened to Nobodyman anyway? I want to read more of his Raki fanfiction.

Not necessarily, my young apprentice. If anything, these new chapters with Raphaela and Luciella have shown us that a being forged from two different flesh is possible. If an Awakened born from two minds, one body being an Abyssal and the other a No.1 Claymore, not to mention both of them were siblings, I don't see why Raki should have any trouble. If fact, it's easier because he's not fusing with anybody. All it is, is two sources rolled into one.

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 01:32

Oh hoh, so you have a Padawan of your own? :D
Whatever happened to Nobodyman anyway? I want to read more of his Raki fanfiction.

Not necessarily, my young apprentice. If anything, these new chapters with Raphaela and Luciella have shown us that a being forged from two different flesh is possible. If an Awakened born from two minds, one body being an Abyssal and the other a No.1 Claymore, not to mention both of them were siblings, I don't see why Raki should have any trouble. If fact, it's easier because he's not fusing with anybody. All it is, is two sources rolled into one.

i don't know... it's like taking two extremely powerful medicine pills at once and something's bound to happen like a serious overdose! lol

apprentice?! since when?! lol ^^;

revan5

2009-06-06, 01:51

Oh hoh, so you have a Padawan of your own? :D
Whatever happened to Nobodyman anyway? I want to read more of his Raki fanfiction.

Not necessarily, my young apprentice. If anything, these new chapters with Raphaela and Luciella have shown us that a being forged from two different flesh is possible. If an Awakened born from two minds, one body being an Abyssal and the other a No.1 Claymore, not to mention both of them were siblings, I don't see why Raki should have any trouble. If fact, it's easier because he's not fusing with anybody. All it is, is two sources rolled into one.

The Dark Lord does not approve of the Padawan's apprentice-taking. Clarakiss clearly lacks the inherent vindictiveness and deadly temper required to be Sith. "Lost Soul", on the other hand, might've qualified had she been given a chance. She tore apart some poor soul who called her a guy on the previous claymore 91 thread. Pray you do not incur a similar wrath...

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 01:57

i don't know... it's like taking two extremely powerful medicine pills at once and something's bound to happen like a serious overdose! lol

apprentice?! since when?! lol ^^;

Awww come on, he can handle it. Though if he had to pick, Priscilla's is clearly the better choice. In fact, just like a fan fiction I read a long while back(forgot the title but it was based on a fic before it called "Tag"), if Raki were to be seriously injured and Priscilla wasn't able to help him, she might give him her flesh in hoping the transformation would save his life.

The Dark Lord does not approve of the Padawan's apprentice-taking

Now now Master, I know the whole "Rule of Two", "only a master and an apprentice" thing; But she can be....a Dark Acolyte. She wouldn't really be my apprentice, but I'd still keep her under my wing. As I recall, Count Dooku had about a dozen of those.

Whatta ya say Clarakiss? Feel like turning to the Dark Side? :heh:

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 02:42

Whatta ya say Clarakiss? Feel like turning to the Dark Side? :heh:

you know, i can only get dark side-like only if someone insults raki's character. lol i could probably make a sith yoda runnin' scared for all i care. :p

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 05:46

*sign, MisterJB, I find your lack of Star Wars knowledge disturbing

Yes, Darth Maul from Episode 1. Episode 1-3, the "new ones"(they take place earlier in the series, but came out later), highlight Anakin Skywalker, the father, and his transformation to the evil Darth Vader. The originals, 4-6, the "older" ones, highlight his son Luke Skywalker's journey into the Jedi Knight who redeems him. It's sort of like, Episode 1-3 are about Teresa, and Episode 4-6, are about Claire.

Hard to say. Theirs a lot of unknown factors on how one warrior is stronger then the others. Part of it depends on the actual Yoma that was used in the process, and how much. Claire for example has only 1/4, but that 1/4 is from Teresa, so we know she's obviously no weakling, even if she was at first.

As far as we know, their is nothing about the actual person that helps determine how strong of a warrior they will be before the operation. If we are too assume, for example, that the flesh would be from either Isley or Priscilla, Raki would grow up to be an extremely powerful warrior in time, especially if 1/2 was used and not 1/4. And of course, all the other things that determines power: How much training/experience, half-awakened or not, awakened or not, any techniques etc.

A good question is: What would happen if two yoma were used? Both Isley AND Priscilla? as far as I can tell, such a thing has never been done before.

So, Anakin is the father and Luke is the son...
Who is the Holy Spirit in this whole thing? (lol jk jk)

Ah, finally you put it in terms I can understand. So, it would be like if Teresa had Awakened and Clare had to kill her, right?

Darth Maul? Is there any connection between Maul and Vade since they have both "Dath" in the name?

BTW, if Luke is the guy I'm thinkin, he is as annoying as his father.

Why am I the always the one who has to remind people that if Raki took the flesh of Priscilla/Isley/Rigardo he would just become an Abyssal Feeder?

The Dark Lord does not approve of the Padawan's apprentice-taking. Clarakiss clearly lacks the inherent vindictiveness and deadly temper required to be Sith. "Lost Soul", on the other hand, might've qualified had she been given a chance. She tore apart some poor soul who called her a guy on the previous claymore 91 thread. Pray you do not incur a similar wrath...

yeah, I had some problems with that girl on the past. She is still mad at me by some reason. But I wasn't the one who called her a dude.

Ryuken

2009-06-06, 10:34

Like what's going on right now, caus I like star wars.:)

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 11:28

So, Anakin is the father and Luke is the son...
Who is the Holy Spirit in this whole thing? (lol jk jk)

Ah, finally you put it in terms I can understand. So, it would be like if Teresa had Awakened and Clare had to kill her, right?

Darth Maul? Is there any connection between Maul and Vade since they have both "Dath" in the name?

BTW, if Luke is the guy I'm thinkin, he is as annoying as his father.

Why am I the always the one who has to remind people that if Raki took the flesh of Priscilla/Isley/Rigardo he would just become an Abyssal Feeder?

MisterJB, I'll save myself the trouble and just say: Watch the movies!, They are NOT hard to understand, CHILDREN can understand them and the films were originally made for them. You're like my mother who I have to constantly explain who all the characters too and she STILL doesn't get it :heh:

YES, Darth Maul and Vader were connected; They are Sith, and both apprentices to Palpatine who is the ultimate evil. And I don't who you're thinking of but Luke is pretty much one of the best heroes to come out of cinema, so no one can call him annoying :frustrated:

Why would he become an Abyssal Feeder? Just because he takes the the flesh of Awakened doesn't mean he'll end up like that. The transformation is extremely controlled; Eyes torn out, senses destroyed, minds incinerated etc. It's too many assumptions to presume he'll simply be another mindless zombie if he had a normal operation like all the others. AE's have all sense of self destroyed from them and are completely ruined from top to bottom to become coordinated with the others in the group; WHY would they do that to Raki? why wouldn't they just do things the old-fashioned way like every other Claymore?

you know, i can only get dark side-like only if someone insults raki's character. lol i could probably make a sith yoda runnin' scared for all i care.

Ahh, that's no problem then. Considering theirs only......3 people at best who like Raki, it's only a matter of time :rolleyes:

yeah, I had some problems with that girl on the past. She is still mad at me by some reason. But I wasn't the one who called her a dude.

Well, that's not fair. How are you supposed to tell who's a boy and a girl off the bat? Going into the profile and checking feels like too much effort for something simple. Animesuki should just have it written under your screenname.

shogun01

2009-06-06, 11:50

We're the only ones who apparentely like Raki :D

Actually, I'm also a big Raki fan. I probably wouldn't have gotten so hooked into the manga without him. :)

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 12:22

Actually, I'm also a big Raki fan. I probably wouldn't have gotten so hooked into the manga without him. :)

Woohoo!! We found another one!! :D:D:D

Arturro

2009-06-06, 13:02

It's kinda like a coming out for Raki fans :D Maybe someone will create a club for Raki fans. I may consider joining, if it will be club for manga Raki, not his retarded, anime version.

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 13:27

MisterJB, I'll save myself the trouble and just say: Watch the movies!, They are NOT hard to understand, CHILDREN can understand them and the films were originally made for them. You're like my mother who I have to constantly explain who all the characters too and she STILL doesn't get it :heh:

YES, Darth Maul and Vader were connected; They are Sith, and both apprentices to Palpatine who is the ultimate evil. And I don't who you're thinking of but Luke is pretty much one of the best heroes to come out of cinema, so no one can call him annoying :frustrated:

Why would he become an Abyssal Feeder? Just because he takes the the flesh of Awakened doesn't mean he'll end up like that. The transformation is extremely controlled; Eyes torn out, senses destroyed, minds incinerated etc. It's too many assumptions to presume he'll simply be another mindless zombie if he had a normal operation like all the others. AE's have all sense of self destroyed from them and are completely ruined from top to bottom to become coordinated with the others in the group; WHY would they do that to Raki? why wouldn't they just do things the old-fashioned way like every other Claymore?

I think I'm more of Peter Jackon's trilogy.:heh:
Wasn't Luke the one who offered two robots to a giant slug? That guy was annoying.

About Raki, I think that becoming a Abyssal Feeder was not something the Org did. Why would the Org make the AFs mindless zombies if they could have inteligents warriors?
People like to say that maybe because Isley and Priscilla are Abyssal level, Raki wouldn't become an AF but that's nonsense. Clare took the flesh of Teresa, a Claymore who was probrably on Abyssal level and she still has the same charactheristics of a normal Claymore. Her hair is golden, her eyes are silver, she doesn't need to rest a lot and she Awakens if she passes the 80% limit.
So, if Raki took the flesh of Isley or Priscilla, he would just become an AF similar to the ones that ate Isley.

This is a good post about the creation of AFs
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2367461&postcount=1023

hell88

2009-06-06, 13:39

Guys just lay off the Star Wars stuff, he obviously doesn't know much about the movies. Plus it's getting annoying to look at lol. This is the "Raki thread" not the "Star Wars thread for newbies.":heh:

Ryuken

2009-06-06, 15:37

Traun

2009-06-06, 15:40

I think I'm more of Peter Jackon's trilogy.:heh:
Wasn't Luke the one who offered two robots to a giant slug? That guy was annoying.

About Raki, I think that becoming a Abyssal Feeder was not something the Org did. Why would the Org make the AFs mindless zombies if they could have inteligents warriors?

The organization doesn't want smart warriors, it doesn't even want warriors. It's purpose is to create weapons, and the AF are just that, weapons. That and I am sure that since Teresa the Org. is less likely to create someone smart and powerful.

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 18:21

It's kinda like a coming out for Raki fans :D Maybe someone will create a club for Raki fans. I may consider joining, if it will be club for manga Raki, not his retarded, anime version.

nobodyman was considering of making one but he went poof and no one hasn't seen him yet. maybe he's feeling down cuz everyone got on his case because of his raki fic, where he made 'priscilla play horsey with raki.' lol :p

i'd make a raki fan club but only if raki fans really want me to. ^^;

@ traun - i totally agree. mindless weapons who do as ordered. not smart warriors like teresa and miria who rebelled against the org.

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 18:36

About Raki, I think that becoming a Abyssal Feeder was not something the Org did. Why would the Org make the AFs mindless zombies if they could have inteligents warriors?
People like to say that maybe because Isley and Priscilla are Abyssal level, Raki wouldn't become an AF but that's nonsense. Clare took the flesh of Teresa, a Claymore who was probrably on Abyssal level and she still has the same charactheristics of a normal Claymore. Her hair is golden, her eyes are silver, she doesn't need to rest a lot and she Awakens if she passes the 80% limit.
So, if Raki took the flesh of Isley or Priscilla, he would just become an AF similar to the ones that ate Isley.

Sorry, I still don't believe it. I'll keep stressing the point again and again if I have too: Abyssal Eaters are not simply warriors who had the flesh of Awakened - they are conditioned, their minds tampered and ruined, their eyes destroyed, their bodies mutilated. Virtually everything about them is altered in some way to condition them to work coordinated as a team based on scent. If Raki just had the traditional operation that simply used Awakened flesh instead of Yoma flesh, why couldn't he be a normal warrior with unbelievable potential like Claire?

The organization doesn't want smart warriors, it doesn't even want warriors. It's purpose is to create weapons, and the AF are just that, weapons. That and I am sure that since Teresa the Org. is less likely to create someone smart and powerful.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2429519#post2429519

My post on the matter, you're 100% right.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arturro View Post
It's kinda like a coming out for Raki fans Maybe someone will create a club for Raki fans. I may consider joining, if it will be club for manga Raki, not his retarded, anime version.
nobodyman was considering of making one but he went poof and no one hasn't seen him yet. maybe he's feeling down cuz everyone got on his case because of his raki fic, where he made 'priscilla play horsey with raki.' lol

i'd make a raki fan club but only if raki fans really want me to. ^^;

That really really agrivated me too :frustrated:

I remember once arguing how much it really ticked me off how a person's first fic should not be destroyed like that(http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2402834#post2402834). I think it was Hari-whatchamacallit that pretty much ruined his fic. So what if it was OOC? So what if it's centered around Raki? It's bad enough that a person's very first chapter is destroyed like that instead of properly critiqued, you don't have to be a Raki Hater and just call everything OOC because you don't like the character.

That's why I don't critique fanfiction that have pairings or characters that I don't like - I can't help but let my bias slip into my review, which is no way to properly critique someone. Unfortunately I'm apparentely the only one with that self-awareness.

(And Raki playing horsey with Priscilla was adorable too :heh:)

Hopefully he comes back eventually and continues. In the meantime, It'd be awesome if you made a Raki Club clarakiss! I'd join it in a heartbeat :D

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 18:53

Hopefully he comes back eventually and continues. In the meantime, It'd be awesome if you made a Raki Club clarakiss! I'd join it in a heartbeat :D

hmm... of course, but i have to think of an awesome fan club name that is full of awesomeness. how about... raki fan club? that's it! it totally owns! :heh:

seriously though... i need a good club name... hmm.

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 18:57

hmm... of course, but i have to think of an awesome fan club name that is full of awesomeness. how about... raki fan club? that's it! it totally owns! :heh:

seriously though... i need a good club name... hmm.

Aaaaand what's wrong with Raki fan club? Short, sweet, and to the point :heh:

Though if you HAD to come up with something more robust, might as well be something ironic like "Raki Fan Club - Because he actually has some" :heh:

I kid, I kid :heh:

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 19:01

The organization doesn't want smart warriors, it doesn't even want warriors. It's purpose is to create weapons, and the AF are just that, weapons. That and I am sure that since Teresa the Org. is less likely to create someone smart and powerful.

While I agree with this, I still can't believe that AB's flesh would just create a normal Claymore. If the Org could do this to the Yoma-Claymores, why are we still seeing normal Claymores like Audrey or Dietrich?

I believe that the sew their mouths and eyes but I think that AB's flesh creates mindless zombie and not normal warriors?

How about "Raki-the guy who got some." ?

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 19:12

How about "Raki-the guy who got some." ?

HAH! :heh::rolleyes:

What do you think clarakiss? I think it sounds perfect, and the fact that it's true is even better :D

Which makes me wonder something: After all the colored drawn pages of the recent chapters of the manga, has anybody ever drawn the big kiss? Now that I think about it, it's weird that I've never actually seen it colored, or redone by artists or anybody, it was such a big moment.

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 19:18

HAH! :heh::rolleyes:

What do you think clarakiss? I think it sounds perfect, and the fact that it's true is even better :D

Which makes me wonder something: After all the colored drawn pages of the recent chapters of the manga, has anybody ever drawn the big kiss? Now that I think about it, it's weird that I've never actually seen it colored, or redone by artists or anybody, it was such a big moment.

It has been done, twice I think.

But now that you mention it, the Isley's death arc was fully colored and most pages have two colors to choose from. Never had I seen that.

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 19:19

It has been done, twice I think.

But now that you mention it, the Isley's death arc was fully colored and most pages have two colors to choose from. Never had I seen that.

.....What?! How could have I missed it? Twice no less :uhoh::twitch:

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 19:27

.....What?! How could have I missed it? Twice no less :uhoh::twitch:

I'm fairly sure that there is at least a colored version of the actual kiss but so far I can only find a fanart

http://i40.tinypic.com/33w781y.png

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 19:27

got some? lol isn't that a bit too extreme and quite obvious of what it really means. :eyespin:

the kiss between clare and raki, i only seen a pic of that, that the anime version of it.

i remembered something and it popped in my mind when i watching a baywatch ep way back. how about making a drawing of clare and priscilla in swim wear (bikinis) trying to resuscitate raki after a swimming accident and call it... are u you already? cpr

get it? cpr lol clare priscilla raki :heh:

Arturro

2009-06-06, 19:34

hmm... of course, but i have to think of an awesome fan club name that is full of awesomeness. how about... raki fan club? that's it! it totally owns! :heh:

seriously though... i need a good club name... hmm.

1. Raki - the lucky boy
2. Monster harem owner (sorry Tsukune, Priscilla is more dangerous than Moka & co)
3. Raki haters, Raki lovers.

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 19:49

I'm fairly sure that there is at least a colored version of the actual kiss but so far I can only find a fanart

http://i40.tinypic.com/33w781y.png

Yeah, I've seen that before. I was hoping for the real thing from the manga, but colored, oh well. Sure it's around here somewhere.

got some? lol isn't that a bit too extreme and quite obvious of what it really means.

Not really :heh:, unless you think of it like that. I just thought of them kissing and figured that's what it meant, up to individual people if they prefer to think of it farther. As far as we know, Raki's still hasn't "got some" with anybody :heh:

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 19:54

how's 'raki followers unite, fan club!' sounds? o.o?

united states of raki --- >.< lol lol lol

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 19:54

2. Monster harem owner (

The Boy with the Harem.

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 19:56

The Boy with the Harem.

Harem? :uhoh:

Guys, he's only been with 2 women, how on earth do you call that an Harem? It's not like they're fighting for him anyway.

how's 'raki followers unite, fan club!' sounds? o.o?

united states of raki --- >.< lol lol lol

Hah, he is quite the diplomat, that was a funny conversation(Clarafornia, Priscilvania :heh)

I think "Raki Followers Unite!" sounds better.

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 19:59

then "raki followers unite!" it is. ^^;

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 20:03

Harem? :uhoh:

Guys, he's only been with 2 women, how on earth do you call that an Harem? It's not like they're fighting for him anyway.

it's just a joke because in the anime he "was" with Clare, Helen, Ophelia, Priscilla and Jean. And also, there are Harem pics and Harem fics so, the joke just got around.:heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 20:06

it's just a joke because in the anime he "was" with Clare, Helen, Ophelia, Priscilla and Jean. And also, there are Harem pics and Harem fics so, the joke just got around.:heh:

XD, I know. As funny as those stories are, I kind of go a little crazy when I hear the word "harem" since it's so overused in anime/manga, especially when the male is usually the stupidest, babyish character I've ever seen in my life(*coughrosario+vampire*cough).

Sides, Raki isn't anywhere near "player" enough to be like that....though Priscilla and Claire will definitely fight for him :heh:

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 20:20

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 20:22

have you guys seen the japanese drama show 'hachi-one diver?' it's a show about playing the game shogi and the main character cries, i mean literally cries a lot, way more than raki after he starts losing the game or when he can't face a problem he has to deal with.

it's... i'm surprise was able to finish watching the 11 ep show. u.u

Nah, I haven't watched an anime or really anything Japanese in almost a year. When it comes to Japanese stuff, the only thing I'm actually really into and excited about is....well, Claymore :heh:

NobodyMan

2009-06-06, 20:34

http://i42.tinypic.com/10ql74w.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/24lsdqv.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/30uejk8.jpg

As for the title of the Raki Fan Club, how about "Chefs of the Raki Core"? Too corny? :heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 20:36

http://i42.tinypic.com/10ql74w.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/24lsdqv.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/30uejk8.jpg

As for the title of the Raki Fan Club, how about "Chefs of the Raki Core"? Too corny? :heh:

Well speak of the devil!!:D

Welcome back; I'm a new member so you don't know me, but i've read your previous posts. Nice to see another fan of Raki :D

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 20:37

nobodymann~n! :D *hugs* where ya been? explain yourselve! :mad: *whacks him with a cooking pot*

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 20:43

http://i42.tinypic.com/10ql74w.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/24lsdqv.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/30uejk8.jpg

As for the title of the Raki Fan Club, how about "Chefs of the Raki Core"? Too corny? :heh:

lol.

Have you been reading Raikiri?:heh::heh:

Miria is the chef, remember that.

NobodyMan

2009-06-06, 20:50

Well speak of the devil!!:D

Welcome back; I'm a new member so you don't know me, but i've read your previous posts. Nice to see another fan of Raki :DHaha, it's nice to meet you Shiek. I'm sure we'll get along just great! And nice to see you like Raki too :D

You can call me Mikey if you want. ^^

nobodymann~n! :D *hugs* where ya been? explain yourselve! :mad: *whacks him with a cooking pot*Hey ClaraKiss! *hugs back* great to see you! (looks like you already made the Raki FC, which I promptly joined)

As for where I've been, I've been hanging out at Narutofan.com (not for Naruto, I assure you XD they discuss all kinds of other manga there). As for the why, hmmm, I don't really know, just because I guess (it's not because of you guys that's for sure).

@JB: You fool! Raki is the real cook! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Goobidy/Smilies/emotawesomepm9.gif

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 20:56

Haha, it's nice to meet you Shiek. I'm sure we'll get along just great! And nice to see you like Raki too :D

You can call me Mikey if you want. ^^

Woohoo!! That'd be great! :D

Have you been following the manga and are actually up-to-date?

I remember before I actually joined, I watched the comings and goings of this forum for a long while, which is why it didn't take me very long to fit in with everything.

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 20:57

@JB: You fool! Raki is the real cook! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y197/Goobidy/Smilies/emotawesomepm9.gif

We shall seehttp://i43.tinypic.com/2mmygw1.png
Miria wll eventually improve her casserole.http://i40.tinypic.com/2mynkly.gif Then we'll know who's best

wow, Raki got a fanclub first than Clare

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 21:00

As for where I've been, I've been hanging out at Narutofan.com (not for Naruto, I assure you XD they discuss all kinds of other manga there). As for the why, hmmm, I don't really know, just because I guess (it's not because of you guys that's for sure).

how are the claymore discussion over at narutofan.com? not as good as animesuki forum? probably not cuz us forumers here rule that one! :D

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 21:03

We shall seehttp://i43.tinypic.com/2mmygw1.png
Miria wll eventually improve her casserole.http://i40.tinypic.com/2mynkly.gif Then we'll know who's best

wow, Raki got a fanclub first than Clare

raki has 10-12 years under his belt while miria... umm... 2-4 years? :D the ghost probably took turns in cooking so miria only gets that much.

clare's so and so... jk lol

NobodyMan

2009-06-06, 21:12

Woohoo!! That'd be great! :D

Have you been following the manga and are actually up-to-date?

I remember before I actually joined, I watched the comings and goings of this forum for a long while, which is why it didn't take me very long to fit in with everything.Of course! I've read all 92 chapters! :D

Heh, so did I. And just because I've been gone so doesn't mean I haven't been lurking. I was in the shadows this whole time. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c172/nfandom/ninja.gif

We shall seehttp://i43.tinypic.com/2mmygw1.png
Miria wll eventually improve her casserole.http://i40.tinypic.com/2mynkly.gif Then we'll know who's bestYes, we shall see indeed. http://i43.tinypic.com/2mmygw1.png

how are the claymore discussion over at narutofan.com? not as good as animesuki forum? probably not cuz us forumers here rule that one! :DThey're pretty good actually. There's only one thread, but it has 1,606 pages. It's a bit more spammy, but they have very good discussions as well. I think it's great. ^^

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 21:14

raki has 10-12 years under his belt while miria... umm... 2-4 years? :D the ghost probably took turns in cooking so miria only gets that much.

clare's so and so... jk lol

Heh, you mean someone else besides Raki cooks?

I mean, as far as we know, Teresa's the only other person, collecting fruit and catching rabbits for Claire. Helen's probably on an apple diet :heh:

Heh, so did I. And just because I've been gone so doesn't mean I haven't been lurking. I was in the shadows this whole time.

http://i43.tinypic.com/wurrqa.jpg

Reeeeheeeheeeeheeeheeealllly.....

MisterJB

2009-06-06, 21:53

Heh, you mean someone else besides Raki cooks?

I mean, as far as we know, Teresa's the only other person, collecting fruit and catching rabbits for Claire. Helen's probably on an apple diet :heh:

Yeah, Miria cooks casserole. Rigardo said it was Suberb.

(finally I was able to say this:heh:)

clarakiss~

2009-06-06, 22:00

Yeah, Miria cooks casserole. Rigardo said it was Suberb.

(finally I was able to say this:heh:)

it was actually clare that was making sushi out of rigardo when he said 'superb!'

Shiek927

2009-06-06, 22:31

You know, it's weird that I said I didn't like harems so much. It's been such a long time since I read a fic with them, but now that I think about it, besides RakixClare and RakixPriscilla(My all-time favorite :p:D:D (http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3980693/1/)) which I both fully support and love, I do say I really like RakixMiria as well :p

I don't know what it is, but those two just look really good together :p

Oh and MisterJB?

I know you have such a problem understanding Star Wars: thus, I present you this:heh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493ljyoox6o&feature=related

With this, even you, will be able to understand everything without any trouble. It even has lyrics so you can follow along :heh::heh:

I also implore everybody else to watch, just because of how funny it is XD

clarakiss~

2009-06-07, 02:31

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-07, 02:37

raki has 10-12 years under his belt while miria... umm... 2-4 years? :D the ghost probably took turns in cooking so miria only gets that much.

clare's so and so... jk lol

But the truly sad, yet revealing, thing is that Clair lied, again. Claymores actually do eat a lot. I mean just look at Helen-pirate-san. The lizard leg really just tasted bad and Clare was being polite. ;)

FragrantFlora

2009-06-07, 02:38

OMG!!! So many Raki fans :heh:

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-07, 02:40

OMG!!! So many Raki fans :heh:

They're just using Raki to get to Priscilla.:p

Shiek927

2009-06-07, 02:45

ahahahah~h the star wars rap song is full of win! :heh: i favorited it too!

raki - it's not the east or the west side!
clare - no it's not!
raki - it's not the north or the south side!
clare - no it's not!
raki - it's the dark side!
clare - you are correct!

isley, riful, luciela, and rimuto - ... huh?

What's your Youtube name? I'll send you a friend invite :)

Mine should be obvious XD

They're just using Raki to get to Priscilla.

Pfft, I don't need to. My new brand of southern cologne beats anything that kid has to offer :rolleyes::D:cool:

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-07, 02:50

Pfft, I don't need to. My new brand of southern cologne beats anything that kid has to offer :rolleyes::D:cool:

*blink* *blink* uh ... I didn't know that, ... that was the kind of ... woman ... that you are into shieky... but I guess 3000 years of Amazon history does amount to something...

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3720/cologne.gif (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cologne.gif)

Ryuken

2009-06-07, 10:50

Well I always did love the boy, so it nice to see that he has an ever growing population of fans coming his way all the time.:)

Shiek927

2009-06-07, 11:09

*blink* *blink* uh ... I didn't know that, ... that was the kind of ... woman ... that you are into shieky... but I guess 3000 years of Amazon history does amount to something...

Hehehehehe, I assure you Gangsta, Revan5 was just as suprised: :heh:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...39#post2421039

Ahh, me and my unique tastes that no one else can understand...:cool:

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-07, 11:24

that link doesn't work 'cha know?

Shiek927

2009-06-07, 11:26

that link doesn't work 'cha know?

That's what I get for copying the hyperlink and not the actual link :heh::heh::heh:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2421039#post2421039

^ Ends with hilarity(thank you moderator! :heh:)

Uncle Owen, I know I'm on probation, I cleaned the droids! can I go to tashi station?
I gotta lay a way on ma power converter, but now you're treating me like a scruffy nerf herder!

I can't get that video out of my head clarakiss!! XDXD

Weird D

2009-06-08, 15:41

Okay, due to the large gathering of Raki fans, I'm going to ask a question that will probably get me crucified and kicked out of this site...

If there was a SERIOUS Raki/Harem, who would you see in it?
:heh:
** runs away **

Just to spite me, I'm expecting a certain pair of pics of Undine and Rachel to show up...

Korinov

2009-06-08, 16:32

Found it somewhere... please don't ask ;)

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6414/rakitheraper.jpg

Poor Renée :heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-08, 16:37

You're lucky if you don't, Weird D. Fortunately for you(or unfortunately), like Darth Vader, "the others are not so forgiving as I am.".

If it's a comical harem like stupid anime shows, might as well be everybody for laughs, throw in Dauf, Rubel and Rachel while you're at it, that'll be both funny and scary :heh::twitch:

But you said SERIOUS Harem. Serious in the sense that it could happen the manga? Well, it's obvious both Priscilla and Claire have a hold on em that isn't letting go, so it's technically already a harem, if it needs at least more then one other person.

If he ever joins the other Ghosts, and he probably(or definitely) will sooner or later, I'm sure they all will have at least some sort of interest: as College Fool said in his fic "Papa"- "For a race of warriors that prided themselves on their distinction from humans, these women could be entirely predictable the moment someone entered their lonely hearts.". I'm not sure even the most stoic Claymore, like Deneve, could not hold something for him, and why would they: Raki is a role model - good-natured, empathetic, now-experienced, indepedent etc. Even tough-as-nails warriors like Undine, if they were still alive, would probably throw a couple glances his way. Remember, these are warriors living on the razor's edge and hated by humans. Males aren't treated kindly in that world; Yagi has done everything possible to seperate the genders naturally as much as possible, and Males are usually antagonists in some sort of way. Raki, who doesn't care about any of that, who's able to do so much, you can understand how he'd probably be a dream come true, if they can get over their personal dislike of males, as most warriors probably have.

Once everybody's been acquainted and so and so, Cynthia, Yuma, and Tabitha(Yes, her, despite her interest in Miria) would probably shyly have feelings for him, as it wouldn't surprise me if was their very first crush, though they probably wouldn't act on them, particularly because of Claire. Helen...XDXD, I've always believed she was one of those "I like you, but I don't want you to know, so I'll make fun of you mercilessly" types. Yes, she was a complete bi-atch when they first met, but she'll probably start liking him sooner or later. She'll at least, even if it's not romantic, want some action from him(The thought will definitely cross all of them, even if it's not romantic, even if it risks Awakening because of their yoki, and even if they're too shy to try. I fully believe that :heh::heh:) Although Deneve's not as vocal as Helen, she'll probably feel something for him also, perhaps not sexual, but definitely something. She's just as passionate as Helen, though not as upfront about it.

Miria is a doozy: She's my second favorite pairing(RakixMiria) next to RakixClaire/RakixPriscilla. As she is the captain, she probably won't let any feelings occur that might jepordize anything - whether it be problems with Claire, or anyone else, her personal feelings, anything. Still, that girl needs to freaking smile more, so I'd at least hope she'll feel something for him.

Just like to me to answer a silly question with an essay :heh:

Korinov....I assure you, I will not ask :heh:.

shogun01

2009-06-08, 20:47

Okay, due to the large gathering of Raki fans, I'm going to ask a question that will probably get me crucified and kicked out of this site...

If there was a SERIOUS Raki/Harem, who would you see in it?
:heh:
** runs away **

This is a tough one. Is it going to be made by the same team/staff that made the anime?

If the answer is yes, then no I wouldn't see it. With our luck, Raki would end up with Undine at the end in that version.

Shiek927

2009-06-08, 21:09

This is a tough one. Is it going to be made by the same team/staff that made the anime?

If the answer is yes, then no I wouldn't see it. With our luck, Raki would end up with Undine at the end in that version.

Oh, he meant an anime? I was thinking and referring to the manga, and the possibility of a harem or at least more people taking a serious interest in Raki, I wasn't thinking about shows or anything light-hearted(which really is what these things usually are :heh::eyespin:).

Weird D

2009-06-08, 23:47

Shiek927

2009-06-09, 00:09

No, I meant the manga, or possibly a fanfic if you were to imagine one. Though I meant a straight one.
Heck you can even go for...

Riful - Ophelia - Priscilla - Agasa - Alicia - Beth
(aka the psycho harem)

But yeah Shiek, Raki is an unusual guy in the Claymore world, because he's the only one so far who's been nothing but friendly to everyone, including non-humans. So yes, even the coldest Claymore would warm up in time.
and personnally, Renee would be my second favourite. Never seen such a WTF face on a Claymore since Jean told Helen her rank.

Roflmao, tell me about it. I never thought much of Renee; like the other "fillers"(except Clarice and Miata), she's stuckup and kind of full of herself. It was unbelievable how we see so many shocked expressions out of her in her debut chapter. :heh::heh:

Well, Riful and Raki would be awesome together; I always imagined they he'd remind her of a childhood friend or older brother or someone she used to play with before she was taken. It must be nice for her to finally have someone around her age(physically anyway), instead of just being stuck with fat ugly stupid Dauf, which clearly isn't any fun. That's one relationship I wouldn't mind one bit: even if he can't tolerate her like Dauf can, I'm sure the other benefits would be worth it and she wouldn't try squeezing the life out of him just because she can. Shoot, if Riful still wants him around, Dauf would probably like him alot too, perhaps seeing him as a son. If it can happen to Isley, why not him?

Ophelia....now that's a keeper :heh::heh:. Not sure how that relationship will work, but we know she's isn't all crazy, or at least wasn't at one point. If he's crazy enough to stick with her despite being torn to pieces(and she would), she may eventually grow fond of him. Perhaps, she'll start to see HIM as her older brother. Who knows.

Priscilla....not much to think about; they've been together for seven years and haven't had any problems so far. ;)
If they haven't in seven years, I doubt they will ever, even if she does awaken.

Agatha.....ho boy. THIS ladies and gentlemen is one relationship I have no idea how it would, or even could work out. Agatha is one of the most blood-thirsty Awakened we've ever seen, and considering she's also No.2, Rigardo and her would probably make a perfect and better couple. I'm honestly stumped with this :heh:. Even if Raki could change her with time, I'd doubt he'd want to stay anywhere near her with the blood-fascination she's got. Honestly, I believe she's too much even for him. Even if she wants him around, I doubt he'll tolerate her enough that he'll want to try to get her to turn over a new leaf. I guess even he has his limits :heh:

The same with Alicia and Beth - it's possible, just possible, that his presence might awaken something inside them, mentally, that the Organization wasn't able to destroy. It would be gleefully ironic - the golden girls of the Organization; the robots they put so much effort to making as powerful and obedient as possible, becoming human and disobeying in the end. It could happen.

Raki's warmth is unlimited and free for all; anybody he spends with enough time will grow to love him, be it human or awakened. Awakened have the side-benefit(or curse, depending on how they look at it) of slowly regaining their humanity and losing their hunger. He may have gotten some rotten luck with the slave traders and yoma, but every single person since then eventually coveted him. The only disadvantage is that he is such a delicious smelling treat, that he's gotta be lucky enough to have something they like more(His scent, in Priscilla's case) that'll override it long enough for them to not care anymore and truly like him. That's the stage where the healing is really done. Really aside from Agatha(because of her endearing personality :heh::twitch:), I can see Raki getting into a possible relationship with ANYBODY in all of Claymore(.....I'm talking about the females okay? :heh:).

On a side-note, their are plenty of Harem fics with Raki. Scour the humongous fanfiction thread and fanfiction.net, you shouldn't find any trouble finding any. Most of them are hilarious if you need a good laugh.

shogun01

2009-06-09, 10:40

No, I meant the manga, or possibly a fanfic if you were to imagine one.

Oh! When I think of Harem titles, the anime version is the first thing that comes into mind. :heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-09, 12:09

Oh! When I think of Harem titles, the anime version is the first thing that comes into mind. :heh:

Anime harems are retarded, plain and simple :rolleyes:

I've only seen a few, but the stupid humor and jokes are tasteless and all the same. It's like watching a bad Will Ferrell movie: when you've seen one, you've seen them all :uhoh:.

(though I still want to watch Land of the Lost)

Weird D

2009-06-09, 12:27

Roflmao, tell me about it. I never thought much of Renee; like the other "fillers"(except Clarice and Miata), she's stuckup and kind of full of herself. It was unbelievable how we see so many shocked expressions out of her in her debut chapter.

On a side-note, their are plenty of Harem fics with Raki. Scour the humongous fanfiction thread and fanfiction.net, you shouldn't find any trouble finding any. Most of them are hilarious if you need a good laugh.

If she had acted like the stereotype Claymore, I'd consider Renee another fodder, but the sheer range of expressions she had granted her a special mention in my mind. :)

Actually, I gave that example for the hell of it : I simply imagined him with all the most bloodthirsty / insane girls. To be honest, I put Agasa at the last moment, and forgot Luciella in the process :heh:
But that's the point of fanfiction, anything is possible if the author is good enough. And yeah, I do haunt ff.net (pen name Dany le fou for stories and reviews), but Raki gets little notice, and most fics are abandonned after a handful of chapters.
'Harem' was absolutely promising, and it was dropped immediately. 'Scarred Memories' is the most recent one, and I had hopes for it, but it's been over 2 months already. 'Silver eyed warlock' is one of the best fics involving Raki IMO.

Oh! When I think of Harem titles, the anime version is the first thing that comes into mind. :heh:

The typical harem manga / anime has one (often oblivious) guy having to decide between several girls who are interested in him, and having a hard time to choose. I honestly don't think of Claymore as one (more like To Love-ru, Negima or Nagasarete Airantou, and yes, those are comedic manga, Claymore's dark themes do not fit at all)
Then there is the fanfic harem, where the guy can get all the girls...
Needless to say I prefer that one! :innocent:

Still, my original point was,

if you were to imagine Raki with a believable harem (or a plain insane one), who would you see in it?

Shiek927

2009-06-09, 12:38

If she had acted like the stereotype Claymore, I'd consider Renee another fodder, but the sheer range of expressions she had granted her a special mention in my mind. :)

Actually, I gave that example for the hell of it : I simply imagined him with all the most bloodthirsty / insane girls. Actually, I put Agasa at the last moment, and forgot Luciella in the process :heh:
But that's the point of fanfiction, anything is possible if the author is good enough. And yeah, I do haunt ff.net (pen name Dany le fou for stories and reviews), but Raki gets little notice, and most fics are abandonned after a handful of chapters.
'Harem' was absolutely promising, and it was dropped immediately. 'Scarred Memories' is the most recent one, and I had hopes for it, but it's been over 2 months already. 'Silver eyed warlock' is one of the best fics involving Raki IMO.

Sheesh, I forgot Luciella too(Why does everyone always forget her?! :(:frustrated:). Well, if it can happen with all those other girls, it probably could work with her too.

Ohhhh, so you're Dany Le Fou :D I think I reviewed your stories a few time: Shiek927 is my universal name I use across the internet, so if you see Shiek927, that's me. Nevertheless, even if none of those stories ever get finished, their still fun to read alot.

You should really continue your Unexpected series! they're completely hilarious, especially the second one :heh::D

The typical harem manga / anime has one (often oblivious) guy having to decide between several girls who are interested in him, and having a hard time to choose. I honestly don't think of Claymore as one (more like To Love-ru, Negima or Nagasarete Airantou, and yes, those are comedic manga, Claymore's dark themes do not fit at all
Then there is the fanfic harem, where the guy can get all the girls...
Needless to say I prefer that one! :innocent:

Which is why I hate them so much. The guys are always so babyish and retarded, it just makes me mad. I understand that's it supposed to be comedic, but that kind of comedy is just stupid and extremely slap-stick. Baby Man + 100 Models + a million tasteless sex\boob jokes = very stupid humor.

If it were a sensible situtation somehow, or if the jokes were actually good, then it may be funny. But for the most part, shows like that are just for dorks who want to see naked anime girls. Pitiful :heh:

Well, enough of my ranting :heh::rolleyes:

if you were to imagine Raki with a believable harem (or a plain insane one), who would you see in it?

In the manga, for real? That depends, but for the most part, no. I don't mind if more girls besides Claire and Priscilla liking him. Like I said, it's bound to happen with the Ghosts. if that means them having a simple crush on him(or Helen wanting some action :heh:), then yes. If that means them all getting naked and wrestling with eachother for him in a swimming pool.......I'd rather that be left for fanfiction :rolleyes::heh:

shogun01

2009-06-09, 13:19

Still, my original point was,

if you were to imagine Raki with a believable harem (or a plain insane one), who would you see in it?

In the manga, for real? That depends, but for the most part, no. I don't mind if more girls besides Claire and Priscilla liking him. Like I said, it's bound to happen with the Ghosts. if that means them having a simple crush on him(or Helen wanting some action :heh:), then yes. If that means them all getting naked and wrestling with eachother for him in a swimming pool.......I'd rather that be left for fanfiction :rolleyes::heh:

I'm pretty much in the same boat as Shiek on this one.

Weird D

2009-06-09, 13:45

Which is why I hate them so much. The guys are always so babyish and retarded, it just makes me mad. I understand that's it supposed to be comedic, but that kind of comedy is just stupid and extremely slap-stick. Baby Man + 100 Models + a million tasteless sex\boob jokes = very stupid humor.

Then let's be honest, the anime version of Raki's out then. Caring, but too damn annoying. The adult manga-version... yeah, he'll have to run fast if any of the Claymore get to know him long enough... that or Clare will need to keep Priscilla as a watch dog

Helen : Hello handsome. Would you...
chibi Prissy : Are you hitting on Raki?
Helen : :uhoh:

If it were a sensible situtation somehow, or if the jokes were actually good, then it may be funny. But for the most part, shows like that are just for dorks who want to see naked anime girls. Pitiful :heh:

For your sake, I hope you NEVER watch Queen's Blade then.

In the manga, for real? That depends, but for the most part, no. I don't mind if more girls besides Claire and Priscilla liking him. Like I said, it's bound to happen with the Ghosts. if that means them having a simple crush on him(or Helen wanting some action :heh:), then yes. If that means them all getting naked and wrestling with eachother for him in a swimming pool.......I'd rather that be left for fanfiction :rolleyes::heh:

I'm leaning more toward fanfiction, but even then, a large number would make it impossible to keep any serious emotional bonds. The whole 'girlfriend doesn't mind if her guy sleeps with other girls' is difficult to swallow as it is, even more so if said guy uses this excuse to jump all the other girls. The few really good harem fics I've seen have a max number of 6.

Dude, next chapter of Unexpected Misunderstandings nao

Are you in such a hurry to see Raki getting it on with the Ghosts?:naughty::naughty:
More seriously, I wasn't sure to make one. The reason I only did one-shots is because I am unable to plan far away, and would probably end up abandonning any multi-chapters fic I'd start. I can get a general idea, but fleshing it out is a problem for me.
I might, MIGHT make a third and final part, but I refuse to make any promise I won't keep. Please bear with me.

Weird D

2009-06-09, 13:47

MisterJB

2009-06-09, 14:09

Are you in such a hurry to see Raki getting it on with the Ghosts?:naughty::naughty:
More seriously, I wasn't sure to make one. The reason I only did one-shots is because I am unable to plan far away, and would probably end up abandonning any multi-chapters fic I'd start. I can get a general idea, but fleshing it out is a problem for me.
I might, MIGHT make a third and final part, but I refuse to make any promise I won't keep. Please bear with me.

You fic are hilarious and very well written.

Someone Raki could bond with?

Deneve or Miria. They are both very stoic Claymores that have been hurt in the past just like Clare. Raki would be able to melt the ice that encages their hearts.

Shiek927

2009-06-09, 14:29

Helen : Hello handsome. Would you...
chibi Prissy : Are you hitting on Raki?
Helen :

But that's funny! :heh:

Now I'd like an answer : in a fic, if Raki was to form a real bond with more than one Claymore (or AB), one that could lead to genuine and reciprocated feelings, who would you imagine?

So yeah, it has to go both ways.

Any of them. That's why I'm looking forward to College Fool's new fic, can imagine all the possibilties.

Well, like I explained, any of them. It's really up to you who you pick, anything can work out with time.

Nevertheless, if I HAD to pick, I'd pick a character that doesn't get much attention overall with fanfiction: Raki/Miria's really nice like I said, Deneve, Rafaela, Undine, Jean, Yuma, Riful, Clarice...

Raki and Miria I just love to see together. Deneve needs more attention, Rafaela and Raki have so many similarities, Undine, Jean, and Yuma need more attention as well and would make for some good situations, Raki/Riful and Raki/Clarice are fun cute couples.

Any one of the girls just needs more attention.

It's up too you; anything can work with him....though I have to ask you a favor.....please let it be a female, okay? You said "anyone"...and that word scares me :upset:

clarakiss~

2009-06-09, 16:09

speaking of fanfics, i also seen alot of harem too. but for me, i try to keep mines to a minimum like raki and clare only. :p i like doing oneshots and i have some more coming.

shelter

2009-06-09, 19:40

Now I'd like an answer : in a fic, if Raki was to form a real bond with more than one Claymore (or AB), one that could lead to genuine and reciprocated feelings, who would you imagine?

It's not a hard & fast rule, but there are only 3 characters which Raki has been paired with in most fics I've seen: Clare, Priscilla & Miria. There aren't many pro-Raki fanfic writers out there willing to experiment with other pairings.

It's probably because, since the Slashers arc in the manga, Raki has not had any major presence in the story beyond some cameo appearances.

Shiek927

2009-06-09, 19:53

It's not a hard & fast rule, but there are only 3 characters which Raki has been paired with in most fics I've seen: Clare, Priscilla & Miria. There aren't many pro-Raki fanfic writers out there willing to experiment with other pairings.

It's probably because, since the Slashers arc in the manga, Raki has not had any major presence in the story beyond some cameo appearances.

Can't deny that, though Raki/Miria is still a great pairing :heh:

Well, any of the girls I mentioned would be best, as they haven't gotten much love either: Deneve, Rafaela\Luciela, Undine, Jean, Yuma, Riful, Clarice deserve much more attention.

That's what I keep stressing Weird D, anybody can love Raki. As considering he's got a thing for powerful tragic women(which is....everybody XD), he'll feel the same way. Really, deep down, he's still the same kid as he always was; he's just tempered and experienced now, he's gotten the "big picture" and finding his place in the cold world he lives in. Isley probably taught him to better control his fears and emotions in battle, but his buttons are probably just as easy to push as before.

Xcmreo

2009-06-14, 06:13

Who's Raki...is it the rock 894 we saw on ep 23? :D

Shiek927

2009-06-14, 17:16

Who's Raki...is it the rock 894 we saw on ep 23? :D

...............you lost me completely :confused::twitch::heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-14, 17:24

He is saying that Raki's importance is similar to a rock's.

Oh..........:eyebrow:

At any rate, can't wait to see those one-shots clarakiss! I don't think I've read any of your fics yet, if you've made any.

clarakiss~

2009-06-14, 18:51

Oh..........:eyebrow:

At any rate, can't wait to see those one-shots clarakiss! I don't think I've read any of your fics yet, if you've made any.

o ho ho ho ho... you probably haven't read them you say, but i think you've already read some of my work. I go by the name eniigma_chan at ff.net. the oneshots i've done for claymore are - thank you and devotion. ^^;

MisterJB

2009-06-14, 19:26

o ho ho ho ho... you probably haven't read them you say, but i think you've already read some of my work. I go by the name eniigma_chan at ff.net. the oneshots i've done for claymore are - thank you and devotion. ^^;

got to check those out.

Shiek927

2009-06-14, 19:27

Guardian Enzo

2009-06-15, 11:43

Shiek927

2009-06-15, 11:48

You know, I've only seen 4 eps of this series so far, but... it is possible that Motoki Tagaki's whiny voice is a big part of the reason for the Raki hate? I mean, even in Ef I hated his voice, and that was a damn good series too.

That seems to be a common reason, though if you're watching the anime, you should just quit while you're ahead and stick with the manga :heh:

Guardian Enzo

2009-06-15, 21:48

I thought I'd stop two eps before the end...

FragrantFlora

2009-06-16, 03:59

Isn't Raki a lucky one? :heh:

Xcmreo

2009-06-16, 19:38

did you ask for a Raki? :D

http://seriesofhopes.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/kendimden_300px-sak_raki.jpg

Shiek927

2009-06-16, 20:05

did you ask for a Raki? :D

http://seriesofhopes.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/kendimden_300px-sak_raki.jpg

Hah! and it's alcoholic too!! who would have figured :heh::heh::heh:

Xcmreo

2009-06-17, 21:10

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3605/trueraki.jpg

shelter

2009-06-18, 09:40

@Xcmreo:

It's not whether the appearance is real or not. It's how you use it :heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-18, 17:11

Now I'd like an answer : in a fic, if Raki was to form a real bond with more than one Claymore (or AB), one that could lead to genuine and reciprocated feelings, who would you imagine?

So yeah, it has to go both ways.

Putting aside this proposed Raki fic, if you are gonna make another Unexpected chapter Weird D/Dany, might I recommend Clarice? I noticed that she(and Miata) are strangely absent from your stories when all the others(including Galatea so I'm presuming she's with them as well and not in Rabona) are. Perhaps I'm just in a Clarice mood, but her reactions to him should at least be known.

MisterJB

2009-06-18, 17:38

Putting aside this proposed Raki fic, if you are gonna make another Unexpected chapter Weird D/Dany, might I recommend Clarice? I noticed that she(and Miata) are strangely absent from your stories when all the others(including Galatea so I'm presuming she's with them as well and not in Rabona) are. Perhaps I'm just in a Clarice mood, but her reactions to him should at least be known.

Galatea has yet to appear in Weird D's Unexpected fics.

clarakiss~

2009-06-18, 17:40

clarice, i think is the type of girl that can connect more with raki than clare. she's alot more open and shows her insecurities while clare is stand-offish and keeps everything bottle up even in the future if raki's there beside her.

i like the raki x clarice pair too. it's quite unique. ^^;

Shiek927

2009-06-18, 17:44

Galatea has yet to appear in Weird D's Unexpected fics.

XD, you know, I actually looked back and you're right :heh::eyespin:

Not that I don't like her...but I don't consider Tabitha good enough to be considered an "Eye". Maybe I just don't like her as much as Galatea, but I don't think she's on her league.

Suddenly though, it makes sense, since they're not at Rabona and she should still be there. Nevertheless, you should throw Galatea in your next chapter as well. Their's nothing weird at all about a horny nun :heh::rolleyes:

clarice, i think is the type of girl that can connect more with raki than clare. she's alot more open and shows her insecurities while clare is stand-offish and keeps everything bottle up even in the future if raki's there beside her.

While you're right, Raki is definitely the best person to help her relax. While she is still bottled up, he helps her get "off-guard" more then anybody else. She really isn't as bad as all that :)

But it is a unique couple, shame nobody really takes advantage of it. The same with RakixRafaela.

clarakiss~

2009-06-18, 17:57

The same with RakixRafaela.

i wouldn't agree with this though. i always believed if rafaela had a kid, raki would've been that kid. lol :p those two look quite alike, like mother and son. :D

Shiek927

2009-06-18, 18:02

i wouldn't agree with this though. i always believed if rafaela had a kid, raki would've been that kid. lol :p those two look quite alike, like mother and son. :D

XD, that's why I thought they would be a good couple.

"I lost my parents to yoma"
"So was mine"
"My brother became a yoma"
"So did my sister"
"I have a scar on my eye"
"WE"RE SO ALIKE! LET'S MAKE OUT!!! :love:"
":naughty:"

They'd make a perfect couple :heh:, at least they have things in common :heh:

clarakiss~

2009-06-18, 18:08

XD, that's why I thought they would be a good couple.

"I lost my parents to yoma"
"So was mine"
"My brother became a yoma"
"So did my sister"
"I have a scar on my eye"
"WE"RE SO ALIKE! LET'S MAKE OUT!!! :love:"
":naughty:"

They'd make a perfect couple :heh:, at least they have things in common :heh:

it's quite scandalous! XD mother and son relation gone up to another level. >.<!! raphaela gonna be like "show me what momma gave ya!!" while luciela taping of whole thing! :twitch:

Shiek927

2009-06-18, 18:12

it's quite scandalous! XD mother and son relation gone up to another level. >.<!! raphaela gonna be like "show me what momma gave ya!!" while luciela taping of whole thing! :twitch:

Right right, I forgot, you made Raki her son in Angelic Days. Not bad, but I still think of them as a potential couple :heh:

Oh yeah, and we never DID find out what happened with Riful and Dauf either(God, all I do is complain and beg :heh::eyespin:)

clarakiss~

2009-06-18, 18:32

shieky, you talking about the fic or something else entirely? o.o?? lol

Shiek927

2009-06-18, 18:40

shieky, you talking about the fic or something else entirely? o.o?? lol

Roflmao, yes, I think you're confused :heh:

Just in general, RakixRafaela should be explored more. I'm talking more about Weird D's fics though. I only brought
up your fic just now as a passing comment.

clarakiss~

2009-06-18, 18:42

weird d's got one? a raki x raphaela pair? where? i give it a read. >:3

Shiek927

2009-06-18, 18:44

weird d's got one? a raki x raphaela pair? where? i give it a read. >:3

For crying out loud Clarakiss..........

He's asking for potential couples in a new fic and I mentioned that RakixRafaela and RakixClarice should be explored more, the latter in his next Unexpected chapter specifically.

Are we finally on the same page? :heh:

clarakiss~

2009-06-18, 18:49

o.o?! *got yelled at* sorry shieky but... don't snap at onee-chan even if she's got a short attention span. :mad: i understand now, completely. lol :heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-18, 18:57

o.o?! *got yelled at* sorry shieky but... don't snap at onee-chan even if she's got a short attention span. :mad: i understand now, completely. lol :heh:

I wasn't snapping........um......"big sister"( that's what that means right? :twitch::eyespin:) :heh:

Relax relax, it's all good fun.

revan5

2009-06-19, 01:25

o.o?! *got yelled at* sorry shieky but... don't snap at onee-chan even if she's got a short attention span. :mad: i understand now, completely. lol :heh:

I believe it is onii-chan for older brothers, and nee-san for older sisters. Thankfully, since this is not a class, your mixup will not be harshly graded. (except by the lurking Sith of the claymore community...)

Tempest35

2009-06-20, 14:13

Think of the 'o' in 'onii-chan' or 'onee-chan' as for standing for 'older'. If it's just 'nii-chan' or 'nee-chan', it means 'bro' or 'sis'.

Don't worry about '-chan', '-san', or anything like that - that will be covered in the next lesson. ;)

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-23, 11:46

don't forget -sama and -kun :D

clarakiss~

2009-06-23, 17:32

Shiek927

2009-06-23, 17:37

if clare does awakened, what will her relationship with raki become? will she leave him, knowing she's a danger to him and to everyone else? maybe that would be a convenient direction yagi-sensei would go with.

that would be the only way they'd seperate again and clare would even watch over raki and his family from afar without him knowing. :)

Hard to say.....

Well, we know now that Awakened are not mindless monsters, and Claire certainly won't be like that. If she awakens and kills Priscilla, their's a fairly good chance that her relationship with Raki will break. Perhaps not permantely, but it will never be the same. Raki spent 7 years looking for Claire and this is what she does? kill the little girl he's been with for 7 years who he wanted her to help?

If she awakens down the road without killing Priscilla, theirs a good chance it might be like you said. It depends on how much Claire learns and how much she's in control of herself. Nevertheless, she'll never try putting him in danger, so she probably wouldn't even try.

Regardless, like I said in the image section, their's a 50/50 chance she'll awaken before the manga ends. Would make a nice twist.

Xcmreo

2009-06-27, 17:29

Raki, Clarice and Yuma...who's the most powerful? O.o

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 17:33

MisterJB

2009-06-27, 17:46

Yuma. Raki isn't more powerful than Clare was when Clare was a 47. That Yoma he took on looked weaker than the Zaki one. We've never seen Clare have trouble against a yoma, except for the one that was the only true veracious eater in the manga, but he was pretty powerful as far as Yoma go. The one that put her hand through Clare, well that was all Raki's fault.

First, I'll agree with the Yuma thing. She is not weak as she can take on a number 14 blindfolded.

Now, I think that Raki might be stronger than 47 Clare. First, because Clare used Yoki to slice apart Zaki, something Raki doesn't possess. I also believe that the Yoma Raki killed was a stronger Yoma because it had the ability the stretch it's fingers. We don't know if every Yoma has that ability but the truth is that we have seen Yoma who didn't use it. Not even to save their lifes so we can suposs that it's similar to the flying ability, just some Yoma have that ability aka: the strongests. Of course, this is all speculation.

Finally, the Yoma that put it's hand trough Clare's stomach was not a she. It was a male Yoma that took the female form of a Claymore.
There are no female Yoma because the Org wants to keep some measure of control on them and the Org needs to know exactly how many Yoma there are.
If Yomas could reproduce among themselves, it would be chaos in the Continent.
So, there are only male Yoma and I suposse that even those are esterile to prevent any reproduction with human women

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 17:50

One thing where the Anime and the manga differ is that Clare takes on multiple Yoma before her half awakening. So while Raki can kill one Yoma, we know Clare can kill a group of them. The anime makes you think that Clare doesn't do that until after the Rabona arc.

as for the sex of the yoma, I know, I know. I just was picturing the image as I typed it. But we don't know if Yoma are all Males or genderless actually. But they are not female.

MisterJB

2009-06-27, 17:57

One thing where the Anime and the manga differ is that Clare takes on multiple Yoma before her half awakening. So while Raki can kill one Yoma, we know Clare can kill a group of them. The anime makes you think that Clare doesn't do that until after the Rabona arc.

True but like Clare said herself, they were:

"just a bunch of losers trying to look tough."
Even so, this contradicts my theory that weak Yoma can't strentc their fingers.

Anyway, Raki killed that Yoma without any effort. He wasn't sweating, he wasn't tired and the Yoma couldn't even touch him. And remember that he does not have the advantage of Yoki.
I see no reason why Raki would not be able to slice apart a group of Yoma like Clare did. My guess is that Raki might be on the same level as Katea or the Rabona Yoma. The six armed AB would probrably be too much for him.

We should have a little faith in the guy. He was trained by an AO.
The worst thing that could happen to Claymore right now was Raki needing to be protected by Clare again.
That and any member of the F4 dying.

as for the sex of the yoma, I know, I know. I just was picturing the image as I typed it. But we don't know if Yoma are all Males or genderless actually. But they are not female.

I think they are female because Clare was raped by one and Deneve's sister was also raped by one.

And, if you look at the original japanese pages, you can see a penis on some of them. This was later censored.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 18:05

True but like Clare said herself, they were:

"just a bunch of losers trying to look tough."
Even so, this contradicts my theory that weak Yoma can't strentc their fingers.

Anyway, Raki killed that Yoma without any effort. He wasn't sweating, he wasn't tired and the Yoma couldn't even touch him. And remember that he does not have the advantage of Yoki.
I see no reason why Raki would not be able to slice apart a group of Yoma like Clare did. My guess is that Raki might be on the same level as Katea or the Rabona Yoma. The six armed AB would probrably be too much for him.

We should have a little faith in the guy. He was trained by an AO.
The worst thing that could happen to Claymore right now was Raki needing to be protected by Clare again.
That and any member of the F4 dying.

Geez, you are making Raki way too powerful, given that he killed an unimpressive looking Yoma. The Zaki Yoma was far more build than the one Raki killed. And we see Clare putting up quite the acrobatics in Rabona, something we don't see Raki doing. A #47 Claymore is so much more powerful than a Human, but is so weak compared to the other Claymores. I don't think Raki is even stronger than Clarice, who would be much weaker than Clare was. Can Raki jump onto the roofs of buildings in Rabona? Clarice has to bounce of the wall to do it, something I don't think Raki can do. Jumping on roofs and Roof Hopping, a favorite term of Ranma fics, is something no regular human can do unless they know how to use Ki. Also, Rene said it wasn't too unconceivable for a regular human, non-ki powered up, to kill a Yoma if he has a lot of skill. Raki has skills. In fact, Ophelia said he was talented, so Raki is a natural talent with the sword, and his skills don't come just from being trained by Isley. But come on, he doesn't have any superhuman abilities.

MisterJB

2009-06-27, 18:17

Geez, you are making Raki way too powerful, given that he killed an unimpressive looking Yoma. The Zaki Yoma was far more build than the one Raki killed. And we see Clare putting up quite the acrobatics in Rabona, something we don't see Raki doing. A #47 Claymore is so much more powerful than a Human, but is so weak compared to the other Claymores. I don't think Raki is even stronger than Clarice, who would be much weaker than Clare was. Can Raki jump onto the roofs of buildings in Rabona? Clarice has to bounce of the wall to do it, something I don't think Raki can do. Jumping on roofs and Roof Hopping, a favorite term of Ranma fics, is something no regular human can do unless they know how to use Ki. Also, Rene said it wasn't too unconceivable for a regular human, non-ki powered up, to kill a Yoma if he has a lot of skill. Raki has skills. In fact, Ophelia said he was talented, so Raki is a natural talent with the sword, and his skills don't come just from being trained by Isley. But come on, he doesn't have any superhuman abilities.

The Yoma didn't even had time to mutate into it's true form. This is impressive to me.
But, it's true that Raki didn't do anything that seems impressive. However, Raki didn't had a chance. For example we saw Teresa killing Yoma efortlessly.

How do we know that Teresa was so awesome? Because she fought strong enemies like Priscilla and Rosemary. You certainly weren't expecting Raki to go all acrobatic on a simple Yoma, right? In order for us to say if Raki is impressive or not, we have to see him figthing a stronger opponent. He didn't had the oportunitty to do that yet, maybe we will see him killing an AB in future.

So far, we have seen Raki efortlessly slaying a Yoma. For a first fight, it's very good. Give Yagi some time to show how strong Raki had become.

Just because the Yoma he killed wasn't as buffed as Zaki, it doesn't mean it was weaker. For example, Dauf is more buffed that Rigardo and still, the Lion King is the superior one.
Also, the Yoma Raki killed didn't change into his true form. Raki didn't give him time to do that.

Now, it's true that Raki is not supenatural. However, if you read Berserk, you know that it's not impossible for a normal human to slay demons.

Korinov

2009-06-27, 18:18

Geez, you are making Raki way too powerful, given that he killed an unimpressive looking Yoma. The Zaki Yoma was far more build than the one Raki killed. And we see Clare putting up quite the acrobatics in Rabona, something we don't see Raki doing. A #47 Claymore is so much more powerful than a Human, but is so weak compared to the other Claymores. I don't think Raki is even stronger than Clarice, who would be much weaker than Clare was. Can Raki jump onto the roofs of buildings in Rabona? Clarice has to bounce of the wall to do it, something I don't think Raki can do. Jumping on roofs and Roof Hopping, a favorite term of Ranma fics, is something no regular human can do unless they know how to use Ki. Also, Rene said it wasn't too unconceivable for a regular human, non-ki powered up, to kill a Yoma if he has a lot of skill. Raki has skills. In fact, Ophelia said he was talented, so Raki is a natural talent with the sword, and his skills don't come just from being trained by Isley. But come on, he doesn't have any superhuman abilities.

Man, we all know you really dislike Raki, but please, don't exaggerate so much :D

For what we've seen of the 'new Raki', I think there's no enough base to argue if he's more powerful than Clare at the start of the series. We've not seen him in a hurry, confronting true strong enemies (thinking about strong yoma, obviously even a weak AB would be too much for him) or being cornered by an ambush or surprise attack. I don't also think the yoma he killed in his hometown was truly weaker than the 'Zaki yoma', he simply didn't give him the chance or the time to fully transform (obviously the yoma thought he could just escape without fighting, so he didn't need to transform).

Considering he'd alredy dealed with some yoma previously (looking at the way he confronted the one in his hometown) and he doesn't seem to have any new scars, I'd say he's, at last, a bit more powerful than an average yoma.

MisterJB

2009-06-27, 18:26

ok, since I'm a big Clare x Raki fan, I'm gonna post here my toughts on why they like each other.
This is from a discussion I previously had with GS so excuse me if it's a little personalized.

First, I don't deny that Clare and Raki's relationship started as Clare and Teresa's. However, I think that their relationship evolved and they are now past the point where Raki can see Clare has his family and vice-versa. They migth not be in love but they are one step away from it.
It's true that there are many reasons for a a girl to kiss a guy but this is a shonen. There are shonen that end without a single kiss between two characthers that should be madly in love. We should just be happy that Yagi didn't go down that road

Anyway, I agree that the kiss could have been to get Raki to shut up but that was not the only reason. it was also to show Raki that he had reasons to live and that it would be a waste to let Ophelia kill him right there.
It was certainly not because Clare wanted to know how Raki tasted like, like Sid did to her.

However, there is a big difference between this

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ak07s8.jpg

and this

http://i41.tinypic.com/21jd1j7.jpg

That punch was for comical purposes, yagi wanted us to laugh. However, that kiss was anything but comical.

The first evidence is that it's a full page kiss. That means it was important to the plot.

But I find this page much more interesting.

http://i41.tinypic.com/j768fo.jpg

First, notice how one is blurred to the other. This is not usual from Yagi, Yagi usually draws what he has draw but he don't give us this kind of images from one characther's perspectives often.
He only did it when Priscilla Awakened, when Clare kissed Raki and when Clare Awakened her legs.
And notice how the mouths are pulled apart very slowly, that's sensuality right there.

The focus that Yagi gave to this kiss makes me think that is much more important than a simple brother-sister kiss.

Now, pay attention to this page.

http://i41.tinypic.com/ff63uw.jpg

Clare was disguised as man and she had been asking about her little brother. However, when she met two people who had actually seen Raki, she says that he is a loved person.

What kind of person can you love more than your brother? I mean, Clare is almost shining when she says it. That means he is more to her than a brother.
She had no reasons to tell them the truth. Like you said, she was being honest.

And I found funny the faces of Dietrich and her brother. They are both thinking the same thing.

Yaoi.

Dietrich is scary. She is so goddamn happy about it that she scares me.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 18:40

Man, we all know you really dislike Raki, but please, don't exaggerate so much :D

For what we've seen of the 'new Raki', I think there's no enough base to argue if he's more powerful than Clare at the start of the series. We've not seen him in a hurry, confronting true strong enemies (thinking about strong yoma, obviously even a weak AB would be too much for him) or being cornered by an ambush or surprise attack. I don't also think the yoma he killed in his hometown was truly weaker than the 'Zaki yoma', he simply didn't give him the chance or the time to fully transform (obviously the yoma thought he could just escape without fighting, so he didn't need to transform).

Considering he'd alredy dealed with some yoma previously (looking at the way he confronted the one in his hometown) and he doesn't seem to have any new scars, I'd say he's, at last, a bit more powerful than an average yoma.

I'm not exaggerating at all. There mere fact that Clarice can get on top of a roof, even if she has to use a wall, shows that she is capable of doing what no normal human being can. For Raki to be able to do that, he would have to be more than a normal human; he would need to be able to use Ki to be able to jump on roofs and roof hop. I also don't think Raki is more powerful than a Yoma; he's more skilled. I'll agree that Raki is by far the most impressive human being in the manga, but human being he is. Claymores, even a failed experiment like Clarice, are beyond human.

Korinov

2009-06-27, 19:04

Yup, but Clarice is stupid, childish and lacks a lot of self-confidence. Do you imagine a Raki vs. Clarice duel?

Raki: mmm... brown-haired claymore?
Clarice: yes, so what? are you saying i'm a failure? truth is... even my comrades have always treated me as a failure... [starts crying] maybe i'm a truly failure after all... [cries a lot] i'm a failure! [kills herself].
Raki: OMG LOL.

Clarice is just u-s-e-l-e-s-s, and of course weaker than Raki. "Strength" is just not a warrior's brute force or physical conditions :)

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 19:11

I don't know how to feel about Clarice. I started to dislike her, because she was a coward and her moral stand wasn't too good, but then she redeemed herself with coming back to Miata. But even though I'm not a fan of hers, I realize that she is very intelligent.

MisterJB

2009-06-27, 19:13

Clarice is just u-s-e-l-e-s-s,

Agatha would disagree.

And Clarice is awesome. She is just so cute and irresistible.

Korinov

2009-06-27, 19:28

Agatha would disagree in what? If the ghosts haven't arrived, she would have just wiped out the town, Galatea, Miata and Clarice included. And what Clarice did was not intelligent at all... she just reacted to fear with some rage... that's instinct, not intelligence.

However I admit you have a point saying she's cute. But ya see, with a very few exceptions (Undine, the trainee who bullied Clare...) almost all claymore girls are cute :)

MisterJB

2009-06-27, 19:34

At any rate, Clarice almost killed Agatha. Lucky shot but she was being brave.

Not really. Women like Miria, Clare or Galatea are hot. Clarice or Dietrich are cute. There's a difference

Korinov

2009-06-27, 19:52

At any rate, Clarice almost killed Agatha. Lucky shot but she was being brave.

I must have skipped that chapter :uhoh:

And don't mistake 'bravery' for 'rage'. You are brave if you do something risky being very aware at the possible consequences and at least thinking of some strategy before. Clarice didn't have really a strategy, just rushed ahead at Agatha, failed at attacking her (only shattered a very little portion of Agatha's hair) and reached Miata... and then what?

Rage is obviously better than despair, but it's not bravery at all.

Not really. Women like Miria, Clare or Galatea are hot. Clarice or Dietrich are cute. There's a difference

I would place Dietrich in the 'hotties' group instead of Clare, who suits better among the 'cute ones' ;)

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 19:52

Clarice seems to be intelligent, since she went about finding Galatea using her wits. She acted like a detective, and figured out that Galatea would be blind in some way. She negotiated with the Guards to get permission for what she wanted. Dunno who it was, maybe Chiba, but someone made a more complete argument about Clarices intelligence in another thread. Maybe it was Sleepy, since he claims Clarice speculation. Who knows?

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 20:40

Wow, I leave for, what, 2 hours, and you guys fill a whole page without me :heh:

Well, I think it's very unfair to say Clarice is stupid. Naive =/= stupidity. Just because a person is inexperienced and/or innocent, does not make them dumb. Like Gangsta said, she's good a piecing things together pretty quickly. She's a very sweet person overall, but it's not fair to call her dumb just because we haven't yet seen much of her smart side. Look at Cynthia, she's a very nice and sweet person too. Would you call her stupid?

Raki is a human, and will remain human in order to retain his uniqueness. Back on topic(because I already talked about that a dozen times), as such, he should be strong enough to single-handedly fight back most yoma, except the very strong ones without too much trouble. As such, I find it hard to believe he could fight Awakened Beings, even the weak ones. Guess that's what Priscilla is there for :D

Raki vs Clarice.....hmm, good one. Clarice definitely has the natural advantages, but I do believe Raki has a bit over a 50/50 chance of winning, if only because, despite his weaknesses, he's more tempered and experienced. Clarice....poor girl, she's still having trouble getting her sword out of trees :heh:

I don't know how to feel about Clarice. I started to dislike her, because she was a coward and her moral stand wasn't too good, but then she redeemed herself with coming back to Miata. But even though I'm not a fan of hers, I realize that she is very intelligent.

Do Claymore fans generally hate children or something?

:heh:, honestly, it's the same with Priscilla. Do people NOT get that these kids aren't experienced like the adults are and are much more simple and black and white? Cripes.

Just because a person is scared, does not make them a coward. A coward to me is somebody who's too scared, say, fess up to a crime they comitted. But in a situation like this, is it so bad that she doesn't have nerves of steel? Maybe I just have more sympathy, but she was crying, she was screaming. Yes, it was hard to swallow her leaving Miata like that, but she's just a kid. I know these women are superhuman in every regard, but I'm apparentely the only ones who remember that.

It's the same with Raki for crying out loud. People nag him for being annoying and defenseless, but he was only a helpless 12-year-old boy. Am I the only one who understands that? :uhoh:

Women like Miria, Clare or Galatea are hot. Clarice or Dietrich are cute. There's a difference

Well, that's because they're women. Clarice looks like she just reached her teenage years. Even if she's old enough to produce milk, she's still a kid in most regards. Dietrich is much older then she looks, she just has a baby face.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 21:55

And you wonder why I call ya a goody-two-shoes. :heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 22:11

And you wonder why I call ya a goody-two-shoes. :heh:

http://i43.tinypic.com/4qgb34.jpg

Gangsta, you can call me whatever you want. Last I checked, Raki's club still had more then DOUBLE the amount of your pathetic lump of a group :heh:

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 22:21

:) Now you could try googling "I love raki", "I hate raki", "Raki is cool", and "Raki is annoying" and see what the results are in numbers of sites listed :)

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 22:33

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 22:35

Are we using the same Google? :confused:

Raki is Cool = 176,000
Raki is Annoying = 7,560
I love Raki = 171,000
I hate Raki = 39,100

I swear to God I'm not making it up, those are my google results :D

In fact, look at the very first link:

http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/turkish-yeni-raki-commercial-moviecities-com/18619569

Raki is so good, he has a flock of women in bikini's racing to him to drink him all up :D:D:D

You didn't surround those with quotes either then. I said "Raki is Cool" not Raki is Cool, because the other one it will look up each word instead of the phrase. :P *thwaps Shieky*

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 22:40

http://i41.tinypic.com/64lzpl.jpg

The ultimate Raki Harem

http://i44.tinypic.com/2e35vfo.jpg

Every single Claymore wants him!
http://i44.tinypic.com/24m6i9t.jpg

See?! Even Renee wants him!!!
http://i40.tinypic.com/jfw4fk.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/14e8cy1.jpg

Sorry Gangsta, Raki wins and gets all the girls

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 22:42

but what of the results of (with the quotes) "Raki is cool", "Raki is annoying", "I love Raki" and "I hate Raki" :heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 22:44

but what of the results of (with the quotes) "Raki is cool", "Raki is annoying", "I love Raki" and "I hate Raki" :heh:

And for what?

You're like my brother, always changing the rules so you can win! :heh:

My results stay, and the pictures are proof. Everyone wants him, IKAR is doomed :):heh:

http://i40.tinypic.com/jfw4fk.jpg

He looks like such a dork in this picture though, with his shirt open like that xD

I'm gonna be in so much trouble for posting those :heh:

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 22:50

but your search was incorrect. it search for the total of the hits for raki + is + cool. and compared it to Raki + is + annoying. Of course the word cool shows up more than annoying. to get a meaningful result you have to search by phrases like how many times does "Raki is cool" as a phrase show up on the internet versus how many times "Raki is annoying" :P Raki would be so ashamed of you right now for trying to cheat ;)

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 22:54

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 22:58

Gangsta, all I see is a cheater who's trying to get his way :rolleyes:.

Admit it, Google loves him, those naked women love him, the world loves him :p

I admit, you don't know how to use google right. :heh:

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 23:02

I admit, you don't know how to use google right. :heh:

I admit, I'm right and you're wrong. :rolleyes:

This is getting pretty stupid though :heh:, back and forth, back and forth :heh:

NobodyMan

2009-06-27, 23:31

http://www.forumspile.com/Chill-Pill.jpg

I give one to both of you. :heh:

Anyway, I did the google search by your rules Gangsta, here are the results:

"Raki is Cool"- 10,100
"Raki is annoying"- 4,880
"I hate Raki"- 15,000
"I love Raki"- 281
(These latest posts are included in the search :D)

That said, what does it matter anyway? XD

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 23:37

Well look who finally decided to show up :heh:

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 23:42

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3593/grakires.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/i/grakires.jpg/)

Raki would be so disappointed in you guys. ;) He is a guy with outstanding moral attributes. But this is how you would google. And that does not even get into the thousands. :P Googling it without the quotes is not googling the phrase. :p

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 23:46

Oh yeah, :heh:, and raki would be disappointed in your advocating LSD, considering that a chill pill is LSD. ;)

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 23:47

I love how YOUR post ends up as the first link in google :heh:

NobodyMan

2009-06-27, 23:48

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 23:51

Yeah, I saw that Gangsta, and was originally gonna post that, but I clicked the button on the bottom which said "repeat the search with the omitted results included". (whether that's allowed or not I don't know XD)

I suppose, I just liked the picture. :heh:

@Shiek: I come and go as I please. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/hmpf.gif

Check it out, he's so smug, he uses smilies that aren't even from this site :rolleyes::heh:

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say your Raki fic is still infinitely away from a new chapter :heh:

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-27, 23:51

Yeah, because this is the most Raki loving place in the entire Internet. You guys should be proud.

NobodyMan

2009-06-27, 23:58

Check it out, he's so smug, he uses smilies that aren't even from this site :rolleyes::heh:

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say your Raki fic is still infinitely away from a new chapter :heh:Haha, I didn't mean to sounds smug. Just being honest. :heh:

Err... yeah, yeah it is. Sorry. > <

Shiek927

2009-06-27, 23:59

Yeah, because this is the most Raki loving place in the entire Internet. You guys should be proud.

I'm gonna take that as a compliment

Err... yeah, yeah it is. Sorry. > <

Aww relax. Don't ask for an update from any of MY stories, haven't "updated" since middle-school(at least 6 years ago XD),
not to mention I don't even remember my stories at all XD

I swear, this feels more like an IM with every post XD.

clarakiss~

2009-06-28, 02:27

not to scare any of you guys but i think raki is capable of defeating more than one yoma at once. him being the apprentice of isley-sensei, he will most definitely. yagi-sensei wouldn't make him weak again, at least not against normal yomas.

raki swore not to be a burden to clare, which made him work harder even more. so what if he can't jump high on buildings and roofs, what matters is he's a strong fighter now and may be stronger than clarice.

on chapter 92, raki and prissy were already in another town when priscilla sensed raciella. and raki had his sword out again, which means he fought more yoma and he didn't seem tired or anything.

to those who talk down on raki, don't underestimate him - he may be alot stronger than we all think. ^^;

haegar

2009-06-28, 06:35

I'd rather say he might "become" a lot stronger than we all think. For the moment, I'd rather wait for actually seeing him cut doen more than one yoma, and, for instance, he did not take him in one swoop, first took the arm, than liced up the rest (with relative ease, ok, but when a claymore goes for a yoma, that thing get's split in half a bit more obvious I'd say.

Also there's the point of Isley commenting on humans "no matter how far they go over there limits in training, their potential rise in power is sooo small comparatively" or something like that. I don't quite remember the exact scene might look it up though if I get to it later.

Generally I agree he will get much stronger. I just think, that as of this moment, despite being able to bring down a singel yoma alone, he has not reached his peak -yet.

There's also the matter of convention: For a student to really become proficient, or a master himself, it is usually requirred to survive and progress WITHOUT his teacher's help. Raki has taken a HUGE BITE with looking after prissy alone and with hunting yoma alone - let's see how that turns out before judging his powers and progress in terms of character ;)

MisterJB

2009-06-28, 07:28

Dashami Priest'er

2009-06-28, 07:35

By your discussion, I have a feeling there is more to the manga then there is to the anime, which I finished. Is this right? If so, I'm most def. getting it! The anime was very, very interesting!

haegar

2009-06-28, 12:27

By your discussion, I have a feeling there is more to the manga then there is to the anime, which I finished. Is this right? If so, I'm most def. getting it! The anime was very, very interesting!

You certainly won't regret it. The story is much more complex, the characters have way more depth - oh, and raki ain't quite as annoying once he starts growing up :D
Not to mention the fact that it's pretty cool to see how the magaka's craftmenship improves with the story, not that the drawings were bad at the beginning - they're damn nice, but the continue to get even better...

Enjoy ;)

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-28, 15:23

:heh: I think MisterJB deletes more messsages than he posts.

MisterJB

2009-06-29, 17:37

:heh: I think MisterJB deletes more messsages than he posts.

Why?

http://i39.tinypic.com/ab6o5.jpg

would somebody please explain me how the hell Raki managed to draw the heads of the statues since he was smaller than Clare at the time?

Red-Haired_Shanks

2009-06-29, 17:45

Why?

http://i39.tinypic.com/ab6o5.jpg

would somebody please explain me how the hell Raki managed to draw the heads of the statues since he was smaller than Clare at the time?

Dammit...
You had me all excited thinking it was a spoiler to the next chapter...
lol..
Why the hell would it be in the "The Raki Discussion" Thread?
I know I know...
I just saw spoiler and thought it was for the next chapter :(

Shiek927

2009-06-29, 17:48

XDXD, Good question MisterJB. Nevermind the fact it's perfectly symetrical and well done, Raki is is prodigous artist :heh:

Maybe their was a chair in the cell, I don't know :heh:

Xcmreo

2009-06-29, 18:06

Ever you ever heard of the "LONG ARM OF THE ART" ? Raki probably has one...

bleh...look around there's plenty of generous rocks laying there, he probably used one as base to make his err....high project.

MisterJB

2009-06-29, 18:19

bleh...look around there's plenty of generous rocks laying there, he probably used one as base to make his err....high project.

First of all, the rocks that are at the base of the drawing aren't big enough and even if Raki could move one of the biggest (something I doubt he could do at the time), why would he put them back at their original places after?

XDXD, Good question MisterJB. Nevermind the fact it's perfectly symetrical and well done, Raki is is prodigous artist :heh:

Maybe their was a chair in the cell, I don't know :heh:

Raki can cook, Raki can draw, Raki can kill Yoma...

There was no chair when Clare entered and considering how the North was abandoned after the Battle of Pieta, I doubt that someone would enter there just to steal a chair.

Shiek927

2009-06-29, 18:28

Raki can cook, Raki can draw, Raki can kill Yoma...

There was no chair when Clare entered and considering how the North was abandoned after the Battle of Pieta, I doubt that someone would enter there just to steal a chair.

I don't know darn it, I was just trying to come up with an answer :heh:

Maybe he just managed to reach high by leaning forward and got lucky and made it correctly. Who knows JB, who knows :heh:

MisterJB

2009-06-29, 18:30

Maybe he just managed to reach high by leaning forward and got lucky and made it correctly. Who knows JB, who knows :heh:

It's impossible. At that time, he could only reach Clare's breast.

Shiek927

2009-06-29, 18:31

It's impossible. At that time, he could only reach Clare's breast.

Hehe, yeah I know :rolleyes::heh:

Right square on her bosom, that's some funny luck :heh:, he sure wasn't complaining :heh::D

Arkham

2009-06-30, 09:09

It's impossible. At that time, he could only reach Clare's breast.

That's good enough for me :D

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-06-30, 09:34

:p I nominate Raki as the worst artist ever. :heh:

aperfectcircle

2009-07-03, 02:33

By your discussion, I have a feeling there is more to the manga then there is to the anime, which I finished. Is this right? If so, I'm most def. getting it! The anime was very, very interesting!

The anime had the worst ending fight ever. It was downright gut-wrenching and even embarrassing to watch that awfully animated climax. I would say it's more entertaining to watch the anime right up to around Episode 23 and continue on with reading the manga from where it left off.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-07-03, 02:54

True. The flora fight has a whole other meaning to it. Two of the best and most meaningful death scenes ruined to force a fight with Priscilla. Poor Jean having to walk all the way to the Volcano. And no 4 limb awakening used against Rigaldo/

Tempest35

2009-07-03, 22:58

Raki used Miria's sword art technique to get up that high. :D

... although that leaves the question as to how he got a sword in the first place...:heh:

Charmeya

2009-07-04, 16:40

Clarice is just u-s-e-l-e-s-s, and of course weaker than Raki.

You can't know that for sure. I dare to guess that Raki CAN reach her in Power and maybe every Warrior down to Place 40.

He seems to me at the same Level Claire was at the very Beginning of Claymore. At last his Speed is amazing, while Carrying such a big Sword ;)

Shiek927

2009-07-04, 19:29

You can't know that for sure. I dare to guess that Raki CAN reach her in Power and maybe every Warrior down to Place 40.

He seems to me at the same Level Claire was at the very Beginning of Claymore. At last his Speed is amazing, while Carrying such a big Sword ;)

Frankly, if he fought Clarice, like I said before, their's a very good chance he would win as he has the coolness and experience that Clarice lacks even if she has more power then her.

Gangsta Spanksta

2009-07-04, 19:51

MisterJB

2009-07-04, 19:54

Unless he has access to human ki and can manipulate it, he doesn't stand a chance. Any Claymore will automatically beat a normal single yoma in battle. Clare was beating groups of Yoma before she half awakened in the manga. Claymores have better reflexes and think faster than humans. The question really is: is Raki human.

He has no blond hair or silver eyes so, he is human.

Yes, Clarice automatically defeats Yoma in battle.

She is so powerful that she almost killed an AB number 2.

Shiek927

2009-07-04, 20:05

He has no blond hair or silver eyes so, he is human.

Yes, Clarice automatically defeats Yoma in battle.

She is so powerful that she almost killed an AB number 2.

Out of luck :rolleyes:

Not trying to nag Clarice, but she really is just too inexperienced, and considering that she's weak even for a Number 47, Clarice really for all intents and purposes is just an unusually strong human. She has power all right, weak as it is, but I still think Raki should be able to at least disarm her, especially since she has trouble just holding onto her sword :heh:

haegar

2009-07-05, 06:19

yeah well she does have a claymore body though and thus should surpass him in speed, strenght and regenerative abbilities, even if she's not very well at using her base powers ...

Even if Raki trained and trained and trained, he can only raise his speed and strength so far. Where he clearly surpasses her is technique, and experience as stupid as that last one sounds considering his age :D There's also the matter of psychological attitude to fighting.

in any case the comparison is kind of obsolete, since now that clarice has joined with the ghosts, and has in that moment where she overcame her fear and went all out for agatha already learned a lesson in what she is really capable of. The clarice of the eraly chapters raki might have beaten, but not the clarice he may soon meet with somewhere ...

imho, that is :p

still, he's progressed nicely and come pretty far for a human. I wonder though if sooner or later an upgrade in one form or another is in line for him. I hope not, since actually him being 100% human and thus severely limited is making the character more interesting ...

MonsieurRosseau

2009-07-05, 14:57

Priscilla should awaken and eat Raki. ^-^ Problem solved.

MisterJB

2009-07-05, 14:58

And while she is at it, she might as well eat Riful too, rigth?

revan5

2009-07-05, 15:04

And while she is at it, she might as well eat Riful too, rigth?

I think that Alicia/Beth might leave that to the Abyss Feeders, considering how much anything else hates eating anything with yoki in its flesh (yoma, awakened beings, etc.).

Shiek927

2009-07-05, 15:06

Priscilla should awaken and eat Raki. ^-^ Problem solved.

I can see why you're not a member of the Raki club :rolleyes:

I think that Alicia/Beth might leave that to the Abyss Feeders, considering how much anything else hates eating anything with yoki in its flesh (yoma, awakened beings, etc.).

.........well it's not like Alicia/Beth were going to EAT Riful :uhoh:

Sides', what's the use, she already tore more then half without even trying.

Chittery

2009-07-14, 18:20

I seriously don't know why so many people hate poor Raki. XD

He's funny, loyal, determined, has a nice personality...what's not to like? D:

He's a crybaby, but...I think it works, 'cause of all that he went through, of course he'd be a little...emotional. :heh:

Shiek927

2009-07-14, 18:44

I seriously don't know why so many people hate poor Raki. XD

He's funny, loyal, determined, has a nice personality...what's not to like? D:

Couldn't say it better myself :p

He's a crybaby, but...I think it works, 'cause of all that he went through, of course he'd be a little...emotional.

Most people can't grasp the concept that he was a child when he went through everything; it's the same with Priscilla, Clarice and just about every other kid, Claymore fans generally hate children or something :uhoh::rolleyes::heh:

Talk to Gangsta, he's one of them :heh:

shelter

2009-07-14, 19:32

I seriously don't know why so many people hate poor Raki. XD

Most Claymore fans, I think, find it repulsive to see a weak male character in a series stacked with kickass females. It doesn't make any excuse even though Raki is a kid. His obsessive need to do the perfectly right thing can be a bit annoying sometimes.

His greatest redemption, is getting stronger, having Priscilla as a pet & (hopefully) going on win the day for the Ghosts.

dweller of the deep

2009-07-14, 19:56

Most Claymore fans, I think, find it repulsive to see a weak male character in a series stacked with kickass females. It doesn't make any excuse even though Raki is a kid. His obsessive need to do the perfectly right thing can be a bit annoying sometimes.

His greatest redemption, is getting stronger, having Priscilla as a pet & (hopefully) going on win the day for the Ghosts.

yeah, and that annoying habit of trying to save Clare, when she could eat his ass without even using her hands.

oh, and he's a crybaby. damn brat.

romari

2009-07-14, 20:03

The problem with Raki is that he is completely useless for battle (so are all the other humans, spanking regular yoma is not really a big achievement, plz care for the regular yoma :)).
Then Yagi put Priscilla next to him, so basically he is furniture that is only at the series due to the fact that he needs to meet clare at some point...thats all about his purpose : to meet Clare (and hopefully die :D)

He cant defeat the Zombies
He cant defeat Riful or Dauf
He cant defeat Raciela
He cant defeat Alicia or Beth
He cant do anything but spank poor yoma (plz care for regular yoma :))

Shiek927

2009-07-14, 20:24

yeah, and that annoying habit of trying to save Clare, when she could eat his ass without even using her hands.

oh, and he's a crybaby. damn brat.

...........So?

Why is it so bad that he wants to help the woman who saved his life? Kids can't do half the things Adults can, they still want too.

Crybaby? Mind explaining situations where he cried needlessly? Please, by all means. I want to see where you think he deserves to be called a crybaby.

XD, people make excuses, excuses, and the same old ones and I still don't get them everytime I hear them.

Flat out, here's the truth: People hate Raki just because they do, their's no reason at all.

MisterJB

2009-07-14, 20:45

Shiek927

2009-07-14, 20:55

So, you opinion is that because the first thing Raki killed was a Yoma, that makes him useless in a fight? Tell me again, what was the first thing Clare did in the first chapter. Teresa killed Yoma efortlessly. Raki killed a Yoma efortlessly. It just took him 4 strikes to do what Teresa could do with one. He migth not be as strong as that 6 armed AB but he is probrably above a Claymore #30

You know what the funny part is? Although infinitely stronger monsters have appeared since then, not only do Yoma still remain the biggest threat to the Islanders, but Claire back then actually had trouble fighting normal Yoma.

Even though she's much stronger now, I think we have to keep this in mind when we consider where she is now, and where Raki is at the moment. He's finally strong enough to protect the girl he loves from what still remains the biggest threat on the continent, Yoma.

dweller of the deep

2009-07-14, 21:31

...........So?

Why is it so bad that he wants to help the woman who saved his life? Kids can't do half the things Adults can, they still want too.

Crybaby? Mind explaining situations where he cried needlessly? Please, by all means. I want to see where you think he deserves to be called a crybaby.

XD, people make excuses, excuses, and the same old ones and I still don't get them everytime I hear them.

Flat out, here's the truth: People hate Raki just because they do, their's no reason at all.

Of course there is. His personality. I hate it.

C'mon, he's a boy, even Clare didn't cry as much as he has when she was a kid. :heh: If you like him, go ahead, i don't care.

And oh yeah, Claire really needs protection from yoma now :heh:

revan5

2009-07-14, 21:59

Of course there is. His personality. I hate it.

C'mon, he's a boy, even Clare didn't cry as much as he has when she was a kid. :heh: If you like him, go ahead, i don't care.

And oh yeah, Claire really needs protection from yoma now :heh:

Well a lot of people hated his early personality. Of course, now that he's a guy (and probably with six-pack abs ladies) of mature age and personality, I figure he'll redeem himself. Perhaps Yagi will even give the ladies some "fan-service" with an obligatory shirtless picture of him. Of course, that won't win over many of his male haters...

Well, whatever, we'll see how worthy of a character he is now. Wild-ass guesstimation of Raki's future: object of jealousy among Ghosts, who suddenly are reminded of their "spinster" (old, single female) status. Poor girls...all fighting and no guys to blow off steam with...but I'm sure Cid & Galk at least would be willing to rectify that situation. :D:D

Say, Galatea is still in Rabona isn't she?

@Dweller_of_the_deep & MisterJB: Seems we have a disproportionately large Portuguese population on this site...is manga really popular in Portugal? In Germany it was coming along, though not at US levels where I was.

Oh, and one more question. How is it that you guys can get one of your footballers sold for gargantuan sums of money and yet the US outranks you according to FIFA? ( http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/ranking/lastranking/gender=m/fullranking.html )

Shiek927

2009-07-14, 22:02

Of course there is. His personality. I hate it.

C'mon, he's a boy, even Clare didn't cry as much as he has when she was a kid. :heh: If you like him, go ahead, i don't care.

And oh yeah, Claire really needs protection from yoma now :heh:

Roflmao, what's wrong with his personality? you don't like an empathetic little boy who doesn't care for the stereotypes and cruelty humans have towards "silver-eyed witches" and tries to protect the girl he cares about and now has grown into that experienced warrior?

Well, it's your choice :heh:.

Yeah.....he's a boy......your point?.....:heh:

Even Claire didn't cry as much? Why do you sound like he does nothing but cry all the time? Not to mention Claire never really cried because....well....Claire never really did much of anything as a child. We barely saw her and when we did, she was too busy trying to keep her mouth shut to do much of anything else.

List all the times Raki has cried; you'll be amazed to discover the list isn't as big as you're making it out to be :heh:

People who hate Raki are really stubborn :heh:

OliverTwist

2009-07-14, 23:17

Of course there is. His personality. I hate it.

C'mon, he's a boy, even Clare didn't cry as much as he has when she was a kid. :heh: If you like him, go ahead, i don't care.

And oh yeah, Claire really needs protection from yoma now :heh:

I've seen that said alot that Raki has cried more then Claire so I skimmed through volumes 3, 4, and 5. Without looking that hard there was 4 seperate instances of Claire crying. I really don't remember that many for Raki but I guess I'll have to go back and check.

I'm just gonna laugh when that sword Raki is hauling around turns out to be a big ass falcon sword. I'm gonna feel sorry for the first no name AB he comes up against cause it's gonna get ripped in half. The thing about any fight Raki is in from now on is, until his last fight, it's going to be a flawless victory because he has no superpowered healing to fall back on like everyone else.

Chittery

2009-07-15, 00:44

I think that the fact that he tries to save Clare is actually kind of cute.

Even if Clare ends up saving him most of the time, he's never completely useless. Like, every time he shows up in battle, it seems to tie into a development.

clarakiss~

2009-07-15, 06:11

if you're in a world where monsters rule supreme, of course a boy like raki would cry alot dammit! how would you people that hate raki so much would feel if you've been suddenly shrunk to half an inch and dropped into the insect world and see how'd you fare in that world.

chances are you'd be crying your hearts out more than him. would we hate you and laugh at you for that? no, i sure as hell ain't. raki is an amazing likable character and i like him because he's a human with a strong heart and is devoted to the person that saved his life on numerous occasions. :)

FragrantFlora

2009-07-15, 07:51

Flat out, here's the truth: People hate Raki just because they do, their's no reason at all.

There's usually a reason for someone not to like a certain character. I for one don't like him same with dweller of the deep because yes, I think he is annoying :heh:

I do dislike the anime Raki more than the manga Raki but they're both Raki, both the same character who at times proves to be stubborn. He may be selfless at times and very caring for Clare but it's also a mix of foolishness and lack of tactics that just wants to make you say, "Geez is he stupid or what?"

I'm alright with his crying though. Heck, he wasn't even more than 12 I guess.

MisterJB

2009-07-15, 09:40

When people say that they don't like Raki because he cried, it's a pretty lame excuse. The anime Raki was annoying and a crybaby but the manga Raki is nothing of the kind.
All of the times he cried, there was a pretty good explanation for it. Except once.

1: He saw his uncle dead and his brother turning into a Yoma. He even attacked the Yoma before Clare saved him and he had to watch a living being getting sliced in half. After all of that, he cried.
C'mon he had just find out that all of his family had been slain by a Yoma. That would make everyone cry.

2: It was the same reason but also because his village had just abandoned him.

3: He saw the person he cared most in the world (Clare) killing a very dear friend. Ok, sorry Raki but that doesn't justify it. You shouldn't have cried then.

4: Clare was about to Awaken.
The person he loved the most in the world was about to turn into the same thing that had killed his family. It justifies itself.

5: A psychotic Claymore had just tried to chop him to bits (and he didn't complain because he didn't want to disturb Clare), a single digit Awakened Being had tried to eat and now Clare said that she had to leave him. And he only cried because of the Clare stuff.
Besides, that crying and complaining earned him some tongue action.

I want to see Raki joining the Ghosts. He needs to show them that not all man in the Continent are eitheir too afraid to touch them (how could someone say "No" to a MILF like Teresa?) or Awakened Beings.

Shiek927

2009-07-15, 11:20

: He saw the person he cared most in the world (Clare) killing a very dear friend. Ok, sorry Raki but that doesn't justify it. You shouldn't have cried then.

Why not? It was perfectly fine that he cried then, it was a cruel wake-up call that the world around him is horrible and even invincible silver-eyed slayers end their lives tragically, and aren't heroes or anything that kill Yoma for the sake of humanities happiness.

Before the Yoma showed up, we can assume Raki lived a happy normal life. To have your family torn apart and kicked out of your own home, and then see what happened to Elena is too much.

I don't think people get the big picture: Raki cried when Elena died because, aside from that being horrific to watch(how many times have you seen someone kill another human being? especially your savior killing her friend?), he knew that would one day happen to Claire. Claire, the girl who saved his life was going to one day end up like Elena, and who knows, she might ask the person closest to her to finish her off, which would be him.

Many reasons explain why he cried and SHOULD have cried(because it would be extremely callous of him if he didn't show any reaction at all :eyebrow:): A cruel wake-up call, a horrible sign of things to come, the fact that he's watching a beautiful girl being killed in front of him by her friend......

It's like I said; He should have cried. To watch a human being be killed in front of his face like that, regardless of everything else, I would have been very surprised and kind of put off if he didn't have some sort of reaction :mad:. The hell kind of child sees something like this and just stands there?

Clarakiss and MisterJB however, you guys hit the nail right on the head :D

MisterJB, I don't even really remember the anime, but from what I do, he wasn't so bad there either. The thing is, it feels like a big difference because we know hear his crying rather then just seeing and reading about it silently in the manga, so it feels different.

MisterJB

2009-07-15, 14:55

MisterJB, I don't even really remember the anime, but from what I do, he wasn't so bad there either. The thing is, it feels like a big difference because we know hear his crying rather then just seeing and reading about it silently in the manga, so it feels different.

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can excuse hugging Clare to stop her from killing Priscilla. I don't care if she was going to Awaken. That was insane.

Shiek927

2009-07-15, 15:32

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can excuse hugging Clare to stop her from killing Priscilla. I don't care if she was going to Awaken. That was insane.

Roflmao, forgot that, but I guess that was pretty reckless. Still, what else could he do? He wanted to help Claire and he thought love was the answer, so he hugged her. Again, the kid is watching her slip away, he doesn't have many options.

And I don't think it was as much as wanting to save Priscilla, as much as wanting to save and stop Claire from awakening. I think people often misunderstand that. And yes, Claire fully awakening is a big deal :rolleyes:

romari

2009-07-15, 16:10

I'm really considering adding priscilla to my doujin and ofcourse having her killed by Charlotte is a kickass scenario, maybe i get the opportunity and have Raki killed too (but i find the idea of drawing Raki too disgusting so its a no go)..its good to be in charge :D

Shiek927

2009-07-15, 16:14

I'm really considering adding priscilla to my doujin and ofcourse having her killed by Charlotte is a kickass scenario, maybe i get the opportunity and have Raki killed too (but i dont think there's anything in this world capable of convincing me including Raki), oww..its good to be in charge :D

Roflmao, whatever :heh:

Charlotte's always been a pretty name, reminds me of the spider from Charlottes Web :p :heh:

Arturro

2009-07-15, 18:06

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can excuse hugging Clare to stop her from killing Priscilla. I don't care if she was going to Awaken. That was insane.

Try to forget about anime... it's safer for yours sanity:p

sonotme_9FedriqSama

2009-07-17, 12:33

Although...I don't like raki in manga....i hate him even more in anime....he was shuch a crying bi@tch....

@sheiky....do most ppl express their hatred for raki in this forum?

Shiek927

2009-07-17, 12:42

Although...I don't like raki in manga....i hate him even more in anime....he was shuch a crying bi@tch....

@sheiky....do most ppl express their hatred for raki in this forum?

Roflmao, people express their hatred for him period.:heh:

Ryus

2009-07-17, 12:53

Although...I don't like raki in manga....i hate him even more in anime....he was shuch a crying bi@tch....

I have a love/hate thing with Raki in the manga... cause I feel in a few ways he needed to be exactly the way he was for the plot to work right but that doesn't mean I liked the whiny brat just that I felt it was necessary plot wise. However I have pure hatred for Raki in the anime.

However I'm trying real hard to view the adult Raki as a completely new character and not the kid he was 7 years ago.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/RyuAcoTYrGI/AAAAAAAAE2I/VcyrZQyH4Dc/s400/samuel+jackson+1.jpg

If he does change I'll join the Pro Raki group. However if he fails to change... I'll pop a cap in his A** and join the Anti Raki group.

In short I'm on the fence with him... however it's make or break time.

Shiek927

2009-07-17, 13:02

I have a love/hate thing with Raki in the manga... cause I feel in a few ways he needed to be exactly the way he was for the plot to work right but that doesn't mean I liked the whiny brat just that I felt it was necessary plot wise. However I have pure hatred for Raki in the anime.

However I'm trying real hard to view the adult Raki as a completely new character and not the kid he was 7 years ago.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/RyuAcoTYrGI/AAAAAAAAE2I/VcyrZQyH4Dc/s400/samuel+jackson+1.jpg

If he does change I'll join the Pro Raki group. However if he fails to change... I'll pop a cap in his A** and join the Anti Raki group.

In short I'm on the fence with him... however it's make or break time.

Ryus, aren't you taking this decision a little too seriously? :heh:

Honestly, WHY do I bother writing up things that explained people's ideas of him are completely wrong if everyone just keeps calling him whiny? :heh::rolleyes:

Considering we haven't seen much of Adult Raki at all, can't really judge him yet.
We DO know however that he's much calmer and a smooth talker.

Ryus

2009-07-17, 13:23

Honestly, WHY do I bother writing up things that explained people's ideas of him are completely wrong if everyone just keeps calling him whiny? :heh::rolleyes:

I agree that there is way more to Raki then just being whiny... but after reading Claymore countless times his whines just start to blur together. I'm sorry I seem to be a victim of seeing him cry too much to think straight, at times. Other times in the past I've defended him and a few times just flat out insulted him... I'm too flip-floppy with Raki... and I know it.

You bother because it stops some of us from just hating Raki because everyone else does, yes we humans sadly just accept others opinions and don't think for ourselves too much. Look at Twilight's popularity as proof. :p

So thank you for keeping us, well most of us, more open minded about Raki.

Now as to the anime... they made Raki whine in parts he didn't cry or whine in the manga. That drove me nuts, they increased a character trait that most fans of Claymore didn't like in Raki to begin with. I mean how dumb can you get... you lose fans that way. So I don't think I'll be forgiving the anime writers anytime for how they adapted Raki.

Shiek927

2009-07-17, 13:32

You bother because it stops some of us from just hating Raki because everyone else does, yes we humans sadly just accept others opinions and don't think for ourselves too much. Look at Twilight's popularity as proof.

Please..........i'm begging you.....don't ever mention Twilight again :heh::heh:

It conjures up bad stupid memories of me buying all the books; "I like Vampires, and I don't want to go the store to buy the books I'm missing, so I'll just buy all of them at once! I like this stuff and it's popular, what could possibly go wrong?"

Biggest waste of 100 bucks in my entire life; They're now all in a corner of my closet underneath my old shoes, it's that embarrassing :(
I thought the fact that it was supernatural and popular that I'd immidiately like it. I never thought a book series from a female lead could be so boring.

And it wasn't until AFTER I bought the books that I realized something: All the overwhelming good things I've heard about the books were from females. I've never actually heard a positive thing from a Male before.......in fact, I've never heard a Male say anything about those books at all.

Not a bright and shining moment for Shiek927

Ryus

2009-07-17, 13:51

Please..........i'm begging you.....don't ever mention Twilight again :heh::heh:

It conjures up bad stupid memories of me buying all the books; "I like Vampires, and I don't want to go the store to buy the books I'm missing, so I'll just buy all of them at once! I like this stuff and it's popular, what could possibly go wrong?"

Biggest waste of 100 bucks in my entire life; They're now all in a corner of my closet underneath my old shoes, it's that embarrassing :(

And it wasn't until AFTER I bought the books that I realized something: All the overwhelming good things I've heard about the books were from females. I've never actually heard a positive thing from a Male before.......in fact, I've never heard a Male say anything about those books at all.

Not a bright and shining moment for Shiek927

Sell it them on ebay or something... why not get some of your money back.

Your lucky you haven't working in a book store before... You have no idea how bad it is! I even got to the point I was telling mothers how anti feminist the books where... just to prevent another sale... and another fan... It worked too. Plus all my points of the anti feminism in the book where valid and the book fans couldn't defended against my argument... cause its true.

Sadly you're right that the majority of fans are female... but the percentage of male fans is higher then you think. :upset: I hope there just lying, and hopefully not to themselves, to satisfy there girlfriends...

If you want a better vampire book recommendation it would be The Sookie Stackhouse series... aka TrueBlood. It has a low reading level, like Twilight, but far better ideas and characters. Plus you can buy 8 of the books for about $40-$50.

I gave out recommendations for Claymore all the time to people in the manga section... there's a lot of casual readers of it out there. However many say it comes out to slow for them to stick with it but they all said they would read the next volume when it comes out... I tell them buy it when it comes out, since Claymore is cheaper them other mangas, but you can read the next 15+ chapters right now on the net. Most of them never thought of that... :heh:

Shiek927

2009-07-17, 13:58

Sell it them on ebay or something... why not get some of your money back.

Your lucky you haven't working in a book store before... You have no idea how bad it is! I even got to the point I was telling mothers how anti feminist the books where... just to prevent another sale... and another fan... It worked too. Plus all my points of the anti feminism in the book where valid and the book fans couldn't defended against my argument... cause its true.

Sadly you're right that the majority of fans are female... but the percentage of male fans is higher then you think. :upset: I hope there just lying, and hopefully not to themselves, to satisfy there girlfriends...

If you want a better vampire book recommendation it would be The Sookie Stackhouse series... aka TrueBlood. It has a low reading level, like Twilight, but far better ideas and characters. Plus you can buy 8 of the books for about $40-$50.

I gave out recommendations for Claymore all the time to people in the manga section... there's a lot of casual readers of it out there. However many say it comes out to slow for them to stick with it but they all said they would read the next volume when it comes out... I tell them buy it when it comes out, since Claymore is cheaper them other mangas, but you can read the next 15+ chapters right now on the net. Most of them never thought of that... :heh:

The thing about Twilight(and I can't believe I'm still writing about this), is that, it's too much from a female perspective. I know that sounds silly, and it's not like I haven't read and enjoyed many books from with a female lead, but I didn't make it halfway through the book: it was THAT boring reading about how wonderful and beautiful Edward was....that was really was I was reading page after page. Halfway through the book, I couldn't force myself anymore, I don't care how much of a greek god statue he looks like or something. It was like "God, can't this girl think of anything else for five minutes? Do real women actually think of men this way?" or is this girl just a horrible horrible stereotype?

What's Anti-Feminist about it?

And no, I'm afraid I have yet to hear a single good thing about it from a male. You say you have, but I sure haven't. A point I didn't realize until after I bought the books. Nothing in them is really original or exciting; the way women keep talking about these books and how amazing they are, I was like "Darn, are these books REALLY that good?". Considering all they do is gush about how perfect their fictional male character is, I should have just walked away.

AND GOD, Why didn't I notice that the female cashier looked at me weird when I brought the books forward? Like she wasn't expecting a MALE to actually buy these books?

It doesn't matter because I can tell this is just a fad that won't last long; the sooner it ends, the better.

As for Vampires, they're awesome all right, just not how they were portrayed here. Tsukihime, Let The Right One In and romantic-dramas like that appeal to me more. Maybe it's because it's because the gender roles are backwards, maybe it's because it's actually enjoyable and written well, who knows :rolleyes::heh:

Ryus

2009-07-17, 14:31

What's Anti-Feminist about it?

The lead character, bella or whatever, does jack for herself... If there is a fight she cries for edward (or that werewolf boyfriend she gets later) and lets him do all the work.

It's not till she becomes a vampire that she does ANYTHING... and even then her power only works when she stands still and sits in the backlines of the fight...

To sum up she can't do jack for herself and has to rely on her man to do all the work. In conclusion Anti feminist. Many females share that point of view with the books being anti-feminist, I've even seen a few girls flip the finger at the books.

Clare would think she is pathetic and then chop that human bloodsucker into small chunks. She is after all a vampire... Hell Raki as a small boy could take bella as a vamp and have a at least a 50/50 chance of winning uninjured.

Shiek927

2009-07-17, 14:38

The lead character, bella or whatever, does jack for herself... If there is a fight she cries for edward (or that werewolf boyfriend she gets later) and lets him do all the work.

It's not till she becomes a vampire that she does ANYTHING... and even then her power only works when she stands still and sits in the backlines of the fight...

To sum up she can't do jack for herself and has to rely on her man to do all the work. In conclusion Anti feminist. Many females sharane that point of view with the books being anti-feminist, I've even seen a few girls flip the finger at the books.

Clare would think she is pathetic and then chop that human bloodsucker into small chunks. She is after all a vampire... Hell Raki as a small boy could take bella as a vamp and have a at least a 50/50 chance of winning uninjured.

I guess that makes sense, it's part of the reason the books are so boring, all she does is gush over her man and do nothing. What an exciting book :heh:

Never thought much for Feminism or Anti-Feminism, though both annoy me: Feminism in Harry Potter where every heroic or strong male character is killed off except the funny ones and small emotional ones, or anti-feminism in Twilight.

We should get back to talking about Claymore now :heh:

Ryus

2009-07-17, 14:42

I guess that makes sense, it's part of the reason the books are so boring, all she does is gush over her man and do nothing. What an exciting book :heh:

Never thought much for Feminism or Anti-Feminism, though both annoy me: Feminism in Harry Potter where every heroic or strong male character is killed off except the funny ones and small emotional ones, or anti-feminism in Twilight.

We should get back to talking about Claymore now :heh:

Your right enough ranting...

I tried to bring up Claymore in some way in all my posts but even still its time to stop.

shogun01

2009-07-17, 15:36

I'll try to get us back on topic.

Now as to the anime... they made Raki whine in parts he didn't cry or whine in the manga.

Let's also not forget that they made Raki more disobedient in the anime. How many times did Clare said, "wait here" to Raki and he disobeyed? Yet, I can't recall a single time he disobeyed Clare's instructions in the manga. He may argue and disagree with them, but he never disobeyed them.

Shiek927

2009-07-17, 15:40

Let's also not forget that they made Raki more disobedient in the anime. How many times did Clare said, "wait here" to Raki and he disobeyed? Yet, I can't recall a single time he disobeyed Clare's instructions in the manga. He may argue and disagree with them, but he never disobeyed them.

He disobeyed her? :eyebrow:'

It's been ages since I saw the anime, but how did he disobey?

Yes, as much as I support Raki, they really really made you try to hate in the anime, almost purposefully.

It was the voice first and foremost. Say what you will, the first major problem was his voice :eyespin:

Weird D

2009-07-17, 15:43

Let's also not forget that they made Raki more disobedient in the anime. How many times did Clare said, "wait here" to Raki and he disobeyed? Yet, I can't recall a single time he disobeyed Clare's instructions in the manga. He may argue and disagree with them, but he never disobeyed them.

Actually, that was the one time where the anime made MORE sense than the manga : Clare taking Raki with her in the town where an AB was supposed to be (never mind the psycho Claymore waiting there)... :twitch::uhoh::twitch: WTF was she thinking?

The Raki-haters will jump at the occasion to claim she tried to be rid of him :heh::heh::heh:

shogun01

2009-07-17, 15:47

He disobeyed her? :eyebrow:'
It's been ages since I saw the anime, but how did he disobey?

First one was in episode two (the black card episode), where Clare dropped him off at an Inn (never happened in the manga) and told to "wait there". Not to mention, this is where Raki meets Rubel (again never happened in the manga). In the end, Raki disobeys and goes after Clare.

Second one, when Clare goes to where Ophelia's waiting. She tells Raki to "wait here" out in an open field (stupid move in every way) and Raki again disobeys.

There's was another one, but I can't remember where.

Weird D

2009-07-17, 15:50

Shiek927

2009-07-17, 15:53

First one was in episode two (the black card episode), where Clare dropped him off at an Inn (never happened in the manga) and told to "wait there". Not to mention, this is where Raki meets Rubel (again never happened in the manga). In the end, Raki disobeys and goes after Clare.

Wasn't Raki with Elena and Claire in the manga?

......So they added him supposed to be staying in the Inn....just so he could disobey her?

Like I said, they're trying to make you hate him :heh:

Second one, when Clare goes to where Ophelia's waiting. She tells Raki to "wait here" out in an open field (stupid move in every way) and Raki again disobeys.

Why would they add that either? Raki was with Claire when they met Ophelia.

Again, what's the purpose other then making Raki disobey Claire? What were they thinking?

Is telling him to wait in an open field more stupid than taking him with her in the town where the AB is? Decisions, decisions...

In the Manga, Raki was always with Claire closely when she did her jobs. Just look at the first battle in Endless Gravestones, and Claire admitted to Ophelia there was no place she could take him so she took him with her.

Better then just randomly leaving him on some field....and they having him disobey her just so he could look stupid :heh: