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Pellissier
2007-08-21, 11:00
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Defiled one
2007-08-21, 11:03
Mkay....Iīll see what I can dig
ooh I'm itching to see the battle and what the new bad guy can do.
Kai Robin
2007-08-21, 11:14
blast, someone beat me to the punch, ep 21 is only ~24 hours away,
I luv Claymore,
I luv Eclipse!
actually im surprised it's not out already
: (
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 11:17
I think the time of airing changed. But i am not sure.
EDIT: Nope it just aired right now!!
now let's see if the newtype spoilers are true.
Slaughter will now begin ! ^^
I think the time of airing changed. But i am not sure.
EDIT: Nope it just aired right now!!
you are in japan?
Im just waiting for the raw to air so I can see if theres any truth to these newtype rumors at all.
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 11:52
you are in japan?
Me? NO WAY! The japanese would kill me if they even saw me:rolleyes:
Yet, those newtype rumors may be a little factual. Ill post pictures.
Me? NO WAY! The japanese would kill me if they even saw me:rolleyes:
Yet, those newtype rumors may be a little factual. Ill post pictures.
Then you have some satellite hack? :)
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 11:56
It ainīt illegal if it aint codiffied or something!!
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3248/16925571yz3.jpghttp://img131.imageshack.us/img131/4406/91450426et7.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7415/25529210yj5.jpghttp://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5979/22153415wk9.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9437/80404919zj3.jpghttp://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6199/64078247lp3.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3963/96379330ya2.jpg
No Commento.
Yes, the Newtype spoiler is true, we'll have to bear with that annoying Raki again :D. And this episode has even more blood and gore than the manga.
Yes, the Newtype spoiler is true, we'll have to bear with that annoying Raki again :D. And this episode has even more blood and gore than the manga.
sweeeeeet.
they shouldnt have been holding back on us anyway this thing airs at 1:26 in the morning.
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 12:11
You have Pictures...be warned.
Ha! What newtype spoiler can anyone link it to me , how where when did I miss it ? *beams*
witchking99
2007-08-21, 12:40
It ainīt illegal if it aint codiffied or something!!
http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3248/16925571yz3.jpghttp://img131.imageshack.us/img131/4406/91450426et7.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7415/25529210yj5.jpghttp://img250.imageshack.us/img250/5979/22153415wk9.jpg
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9437/80404919zj3.jpghttp://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6199/64078247lp3.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3963/96379330ya2.jpg
No Commento.
Is that priscilla naked and eating what it looks like something meaty?:eyebrow:
Oh no!! I see that 2 claymore captains are being torn apart by "HIM". I hate "HIM":mad::mad::mad:
And how do you get this channel on your satellite you must tell me, PLEASE!!! :)
Oh... my... God! :eek:
This episode will be a bloodbath!!
And that guy with Priscilla... is Raki making a move on Priscilla or someone else?
Clare and the Fab-Four will have a lot to do!!
killer3000ad
2007-08-21, 12:44
Wow, even though as a manga reader, I am surprised by the level of gore in those few pictures alone. My mouth is watering in anticipation of this episode. Ligard is like yelling,"I AM TEH JUGGERNAUT BEOTCHES!"
Excellent, it looks like this episode will make up for the lack of gore in the last episode and then some:). It's good to see the wholesome things of the series like blood, violence, and killing again, I was starting to get a little anxious.
It would be funny if rigardo went up to each victim and said "you are the weakest link, GOODBYE", then (insert method of killing here)
zato_1one
2007-08-21, 12:48
WTF! Is that...Cynthia?!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
witchking99
2007-08-21, 12:49
That's what I want to know. It can't be true :upset::upset::upset:
wow those pics i just saw..............
WTF! Is that...Cynthia?!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
The hair looks wrong. I think thats someone else.
EDIT: Guess not. Who knows. She does have two pony tails, but the hair seems wrong still.
Omfgbbqwtf
2007-08-21, 12:51
O wow.. Is that Jean who got chopped in half (vertically) in the screen shot?? Can't wait for the sub to come out..
witchking99
2007-08-21, 12:52
floro just got OWNED
Shssssh!!!! Don't say that again, you hear:frustrated:.Nobody owns Flora
killer3000ad
2007-08-21, 12:52
WTF! Is that...Cynthia?!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
I concur with Var. The hair tails are a bit different, so it might not be her.
zato_1one
2007-08-21, 12:57
Noooo! How can I forget my No.3 Idol?!
She also has 2 pigtails!!!!! I want to know!!!
Someone spoils me please!!!
:eek::eek::eek::eek:
BrokenWingz
2007-08-21, 12:58
O wow.. Is that Jean who got chopped in half (vertically) in the screen shot?? Can't wait for the sub to come out..
Short answer, no, Jean doesn't have two pigtails. I must've opened and reclosed those screenshots 15times didn't expect to see this level of gore, omfgbbqwtf indeed, looking forward to it!
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 12:58
People...Calm down please!!
However, even in these critical situations there is....who am I kidding;_; The newtype rumors are true arenīt they?
the newtype spoilers are pretty small. They arent really huge enough to change the plot. They are deviations from the manga though.
i saw something in priscilla's mouth. Could be.........anything but most likely human
that pig tailed girl whoever she is.........GOT OWNED
I have yet to see flora get OWNED, but it will happen.
witchking99
2007-08-21, 13:07
Priscilla is eating something meaty perhaps a chunk of someone and Raki is looking at her naked.:twitch::twitch::twitch: What does this means?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MXfyz78P4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dneXwDrElFY&mode=related&search=
i found this on youtube randomly
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 13:12
Short answer, no, Jean doesn't have two pigtails. I must've opened and reclosed those screenshots 15times didn't expect to see this level of gore, omfgbbqwtf indeed, looking forward to it!
The "vertical thingy"? That should be Flora
The "vertical thingy"? That should be Flora
The hair is not Flora's. The first two dead don't seem to be anyone we really know...
The one picture seems to resemble Miria.
witchking99
2007-08-21, 13:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MXfyz78P4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dneXwDrElFY&mode=related&search=
i found this on youtube randomly
Totally loved the first music video.:D
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 13:17
The hair is not Flora's. The first two dead don't seem to be anyone we really know...
The one picture seems to resemble Miria.
No way! How could they kill Miria? :mad:
I may be wrong but the one cut in half on pic 4 looks like
Undine since she seems pretty muscular.
Bonta Kun
2007-08-21, 13:20
OMG NNNNNNOOOOOOooooooo that better not be my Cynthia!!!!!:frustrated::mad::upset:
ah but its not the pigtails are different:p that pic almost had me for a second:upset:
If she does die I will be very very upset:upset::upset::upset::upset::upset::upset: and very very mad!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Priscilla is eating something meaty perhaps a chunk of someone and Raki is looking at her naked.:twitch::twitch::twitch: What does this means?
I guess Raki wants some too! :D
* Priscilla hands over some meat *
Priscilla: Tastes gooood.....
Raki: Really?
* Munches on the meat *
Raki: ZOMG! I WANT MORE!
The one picture seems to resemble Miria.
Oh my god dont say that var it would suck pretty hard if :
Miria was killed INSTEAD of Flora
I would be seriously unhappy with that:upset:
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 13:24
I know what she is doing....And it if this continues than....Either this will end as awesome or bad.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 13:40
Oh my god dont say that var it would suck pretty hard if :
Miria was killed INSTEAD of Flora
I would be seriously unhappy with that:upset:
Ok guys you're beginning to scare me. That aint Miria. I agree if that happens, Ill be heading to Madhouse to strangle them.
Killing Miria seems a little stupid, even if they diverge from the manga. She is basically what holds everyone together, if they kill her then the story might as well just fall back to only Clare.
I wonder how this will come out.
Here are my opinions on this. :)
The pic in the top left corner does seem to be a girl with 2 braided pigtails. However, I do know that there are two Claymores with pigtails, one being Cynthia. I forgot who the other one was. :( She was the one who fought together with Veronica before in episode 19 I think.
The pic in the top right corner is probably someone we don't know. She doesn't look like Miria except for the hair and it's definitely not Flora. The third pic of Rigardo, you can't even see the Claymore's head. And the fourth pic is definitely Undine.
Here are my opinions on this. :)
The pic in the top left corner does seem to be a girl with 2 braided pigtails. However, I do know that there are two Claymores with pigtails, one being Cynthia. I forgot who the other one was. :( She was the one who fought together with Veronica before in episode 19 I think.
The pic in the top right corner is probably someone we don't know. She doesn't look like Miria except for the hair and it's definitely not Flora. The third pic of Rigardo, you can't even see the Claymore's head. And the fourth pic is definitely Undine.
The third pick has hair, look at the very top. Its running down that person's back, something like a pony tail. There is only one person with that kind of hairstyle.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-08-21, 13:46
Here are my opinions on this. :)
The pic in the top left corner does seem to be a girl with 2 braided pigtails. However, I do know that there are two Claymores with pigtails, one being Cynthia. I forgot who the other one was. :( She was the one who fought together with Veronica before in episode 19 I think.
The girl who fought beside Veronica WAS Cynthia in episode 19, she is in her squad.
The girl who fought beside Veronica WAS Cynthia in episode 19, she is in her squad.
Oh, okay. Cynthia is the one with the pigtails that didn't have braids if I recall correctly. While this girl was the one that had the braids. So it's not Cynthia. :p
BrokenWingz
2007-08-21, 13:50
The girl that fought with Veronica to do the finishing blow on the AB IS Cynthia, volume 10 page 59 unless they changed ep 19 too, not very likely. The more I look at the screencap the more it seems like Cynthia...oh my.
edit: took a little to long to type this post ha ha
zato_1one
2007-08-21, 13:50
The pic in the top left corner does seem to be a girl with 2 braided pigtails. However, I do know that there are two Claymores with pigtails, one being Cynthia. I forgot who the other one was. :( She was the one who fought together with Veronica before in episode 19 I think.
You mention the same person... :upset:
That pic is not Miria because Miria has huge forehead. :mad:
Others two are...Veronica and Undine..
You mention the same person... :upset:
Really?! :heh: I was sure Cynthia has the non-braided pigtails. I guess we'll find out later or tomorrow.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-21, 13:54
Impressive episode, they really do not pull punches in killing Claymores. Now I know why they set up the last episode is to gain sympathy into soon to be doomed warriors.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-08-21, 13:55
Really?! :heh: I was sure Cynthia has the non-braided pigtails. I guess we'll find out later or tomorrow.
You are right, Cynthia does not have braided pig-tails, that girl is different.
Bonta Kun
2007-08-21, 13:56
Really?! :heh: I was sure Cynthia has the non-braided pigtails. I guess we'll find out later or tomorrow.
and you would be right, thats not Cynthia being killed.
zato_1one
2007-08-21, 13:58
http://www.pic4.us/pic/Ee322345.jpg
:upset::upset::frustrated::frustrated:
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 14:03
It all keeps tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down...
http://www.pic4.us/pic/Ee322345.jpg
:upset::upset::frustrated::frustrated:
If thats Cynthia then the one in 21 is not her. Those aren't braided, they have ornaments. Look at the image on page one, that hair definitely braided.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 14:05
Like how many pony tailed, braided hair Claymores are there? I've seen a couple though. No way that's Cynthia. If Cynthia's dead, what will happen to the 7 GHosts...will it be 6 Ghosts in the anime and 7 Ghosts in the manga?
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-21, 14:08
I don't think they will be any Ghost story, since the anime going into resolution department pretty decisively.
For some Manga vs Anime posters:
See, dear Manga readers. Can you see these Bonds to some Chars in the Anime?. Perhaps thats the reason, why they changed the "flow" a bit.
Please, stop comparing the Manga with the Anime. Think of an Manga v2 only put to animation. Where the group refine a bit Human touch and Honor and so on...
Back to topic:
They changed the Flow, even we Manga readers cannot say for sure how is dead or not...
I know you on fire. But don't mix Manga wisdom with Anime, please... I am a Guardian :) And Ghost Story's... are far beyond now...
zato_1one
2007-08-21, 14:17
OK. It may sounds very rude but I pray that that girl is...http://www.pic4.us/pic/8w623128.jpgDamn! I never feel so panic like this before. She is just a fictional character! :mad:
Must go to clear my head a bit...
witchking99
2007-08-21, 14:20
Many could take that as a big spoiler.But oh well!! I do love spoilers :D:D
The animators are cunning people. They hide the Runes of them... Evil :)
:D So funny watch you guys , you made my day! These dead girls are abviously : Number 36 , Claudia , from Undine team (with ponytails) , Poor Undine (I kinda liked her without muscles) and third is I think Carla Number 39 from Flora team.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 14:33
:D So funny watch you guys , you made my day! These dead girls are abviously : Number 36 , Claudia , from Undine team (with ponytails) , Poor Undine (I kinda liked her without muscles) and third is I think Carla Number 39 from Flora team.
and what about Flora and Veronica?
Don't come with numbers. I don't recall it was said in the Anime or i am just getting old? :)
Bonta Kun
2007-08-21, 14:43
As I posted on page 2 I thought it was Cynthia at first, but the hair gave it away.
here are our 2 pigtailed claymores
The loveliness that is Cynthia
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1369/vlcsnap256427zp8.png
and the other that dies what looks like a horrible death, may she rest in peace( she is indeed either Claudia or Carla)
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1250/vlcsnap256239hr2.png
and just noticed there runes are very very similar
animators know better than to kill my Cynthia as they will burn in the pits of hell for eternity, while having there faces smothered in a pair of Fat Bastard's used wet y-fronts!!!
For those who want to know Flora's fate:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1187715116507d37a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11877152397987a63.jpg
so no changes there (same goes for Jean)
Guys, GUYS!! Do you really think is time of comparing hairstyles now? :(
OUR GIRLS ARE BEING KILLED!!! :upset: :upset: :upset:
Someone please stop this ****ing lion!! :frustrated:
Okay you may delete it as well , but I made my apology and even queted it with spoiler *sighs*
For those who want to know Flora's fate:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1187715116507d37a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11877152397987a63.jpg
so no changes there (same goes for Jean)
Dang it. :( But at least they're still being faithful to the manga for the first part of this episode. I'm dying for more screencaps.
This post is now, out dated. Free for delete...
witchking99
2007-08-21, 14:53
For those who want to know Flora's fate:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1187715116507d37a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11877152397987a63.jpg
so no changes there (same goes for Jean)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! How could they !!! :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated: that's dear sweet Flora.May they burn in HELL!!! forever.
and what about Flora and Veronica?
Veronica is in the pictures Defiled One posted.. left of Undine's picture.
Eeee! Iam trainee! Gomena!
With the exception of the gomena:confused: post I understand how you all feel:(
But for the manga readers you all knew this was coming, and even though I hold NOTHING against flora, watching her get "fingernailed" to death in the anime is something I look forward to for the tension and animation quality although it would have been interesting to see her survive
I haven't look the Film "300". But if someones compare Claymore now with this film. Then i understand now...
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-21, 15:04
Ah there goes another favourite Claymore of mine, Flora. But this is war, and people do get killed, cute or not. So don't get too attached, people or you will be pissed. Warriors come and go in war and you all should have know this when you watching Claymore. Life and war is fickle and no matter how skilled a warrior is, when it is their turn to die, they die. Nothing more, nothing less.
i think flora had it coming though.
1. her loli voice (yuck)
2. she had no personality
witchking99
2007-08-21, 15:07
With the exception of the gomena:confused: post I understand how you all feel:(
But for the manga readers you all knew this was coming, and even though I hold NOTHING against flora, watching her get "fingernailed" to death in the anime is something I look forward to for the tension and animation quality although it would have been interesting to see her survive
Although us manga readers knew it well what was to come, still many of us couldn't possibly be prepared to see Flora get killed, it's just to painful T_T:(
Sorry Hamstar, but I disagree, she had terrible hair style but I loved voice!
witchking99
2007-08-21, 15:10
i think flora had it coming though.
1. her loli voice (yuck)
2. she had no personality
I also disagree with you, what do you mean she had no personality? :mad:
she talks like a robot with a loli voice. She had 0 character development other than that small chit chat with clare and maybe showing off her windcutting skillz.
If u lived in japan you'd never hear a person that talks like that. Then again, this is an anime, most of the cast talk in a non conventional way.
this massacre is actually pretty cliche in anime/manga. Heros do really well against baddies until a super badass comes and kills like 7/10 of the party. Im sure it will happen again
IMSabbel
2007-08-21, 15:17
she talks like a robot with a loli voice. She had 0 character development other than that small chit chat with clare and maybe showing off her windcutting skillz.
If u lived in japan you'd never hear a person that talks like that. Then again, this is an anime, most of the cast talk in a non conventional way.
this massacre is actually pretty cliche in anime/manga. Heros do really well against baddies until a super badass comes and kills like 7/10 of the party. Im sure it will happen again
Well, but thats not really the point here, as the anime follows the manga, where she _didnt_ have a robot voice, plus quite a bit more screentime...
Also, her greatest feature were her eyes, they are certainly unique amoung the claymores..
I dont know even Flora apeared just for while, you can say a lot about her :
1.) She was pretty - Thats fact.
2.) Intelligent - All things about guessing right about Clare hand
3.) Powerfull - No 8 of organization.
4.) Responsible leader - Guessing from that she cant fight with comrades whom she doesnt trust.
So I think she had personality. But thats my PO.
witchking99
2007-08-21, 15:30
she talks like a robot with a loli voice. She had 0 character development other than that small chit chat with clare and maybe showing off her windcutting skillz.
If u lived in japan you'd never hear a person that talks like that. Then again, this is an anime, most of the cast talk in a non conventional way.
this massacre is actually pretty cliche in anime/manga. Heros do really well against baddies until a super badass comes and kills like 7/10 of the party. Im sure it will happen again
I object! :argue: :D
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-08-21, 15:31
Someone please stop this ****ing lion!! :frustrated:
too bad Claymores don't have cars nearby to get in... ^^
(sorry I couldn't resist the joke ^^; )
Well, but thats not really the point here, as the anime follows the manga, where she _didnt_ have a robot voice, plus quite a bit more screentime...
...in the manga nobody had a voice ^^; and Flora didn't really have more to her in the manga, cept the Windcutter vs Flash Sword part.. of which it's goal was portrayed better in the anime imo. The "battle" was more for show, while the point of the mangaka was to create a friendship of sorts.. and show that Flora was curious about the Flash Sword as it is similar to the Windcutter.
Plus the anime developed her more as she was already aware of the Flash Sword and Irene, which to me developed her a bit more as a perfectionist.
I agree she's somewhat overrated though, as in the end she doesn't get much development, especially compared to other important characters. Most people seem to like her (same with Galatea, but she has more good to back it up) solely for looks, which is fine by me, as she really is pretty :3
Off-topic ftw ^^;
Bonta Kun
2007-08-21, 15:38
too bad Claymores don't have cars nearby to get in... ^^
(sorry I couldn't resist the joke ^^; )
lol thank you, you made my day with that:heh::bow:
now why didn't I think of that one:p
btw i think they will stay with the phantom 7 ending, just to keep with the manga even if they aren't going for a 2nd season. plus it leaves it open for a 2nd season just in case
hot damn, I think it will take more then a bit of shounen pep talk to kill off this lion berserker.
wrex_japan
2007-08-21, 16:18
Ep. 21 summary and screenshots (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=566)... it was devastating to see the slaughterage....
Err... and the Raki/Isley/Priscilla thing... I don't know.
Key Board
2007-08-21, 16:22
The episode played out like a monster movie.
silence... silence... then suddenly splat~
very interesting
Raki's antics with Pris on the other hand, seemed like a psycho thriller movie. But I can't help but feel smug like Isley...
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 16:23
Just as planned:cool:
So it seems that I was right...Priscilla and Clare...Yes, my happy twisted ending will soon be fullfilled :bow: :bow: Lion King! Lion King!
witchking99
2007-08-21, 16:31
Is Raki going to fall for Priscilla:twitch: That would certainly be a plot twist.
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 16:37
Better question.
Is Raki smart enough to realize that Easley also isnīt human...at all?
Fenrir_valindri
2007-08-21, 16:38
That is a pretty huge change, I wonder what direction they will take the story with Raki discovering Priscilla’s nature, I always did theorize that Raki would attempt to help Priscilla if he found out she was a former Claymore, and Awakened One, considering Ophelia called Clare that, Raki may make an association.
Although it does have potential, I hope they do not screw it up.
Edit: Raki does not know that there used to be Male Claymore's so he could simply believe that Isley simply hangs around Priscilla like he did with Clare, although who knows?
witchking99
2007-08-21, 16:40
Maybe after this he will notice that fact, who knows.But if he does will he stay with them or try to take them on.(As if that would work:D)
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 16:41
I agree with you. But It also gave me the path they will take. Which might be the best for Claymore.
i saw the spoiler.
sounds pretty funny indeed
*CRY CRY CRY*
*MUNCH MUNCH*
*more crying.....*
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 16:44
At least she knows what she is.
is it just me or did her attitude toward that take a 180 degree turn?
Fenrir_valindri
2007-08-21, 16:51
is it just me or did her attitude toward that take a 180 degree turn?
Priscilla isnt exactly the most mentally stable person, not to mention the ommited lines from the manga. :p
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 16:53
Nope...Thatīs just you.
She behaved like Ophelia...She feels hungry and she canīt stop eating or else she will starve. She could have eaten the boy but she had control, meaning that this need of flesh is dominated like a human..unlike vampires that attack anything if they are low on blood.
There is also something that is clear. Priscilla knows what she is doing is wrong, otherwise she wouldnīt cry. But itīs survival of the fittest.
On the other aspect, Priscilla still has moralty.
Can awakened breed with normal humans?
witchking99
2007-08-21, 16:57
Nope...Thatīs just you.
She behaved like Ophelia...She feels hungry and she canīt stop eating or else she will starve. She could have eaten the boy but she had control, meaning that this need of flesh is dominated like a human..unlike vampires that attack anything if they are low on blood.
There is also something that is clear. Priscilla knows what she is doing is wrong, otherwise she wouldnīt cry. But itīs survival of the fittest.
On the other aspect, Priscilla still has moralty.
Can awakened breed with normal humans?
Are you suggesting a Raki/Priscilla coupling.
Man and Beast, isn't there a term for that? :D
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 17:01
Clare is a pedo
Priscilla is a monster
And Easley might not be strait and a monster
Considering his choices in there. I say he`s F#$%d
Iīm loving this anime already since this episode. :bow: Lion King!
Man and Beast, isn't there a term for that? :D
I think the term you're looking for is beastiality :D
This looks to be a very sweet episode indeed
I mean the look on jean's face is just priceless.
http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/clay21/clay21-15.jpg
witchking99
2007-08-21, 17:05
Iīm loving this anime already since this episode. :bow: Lion King!
Why are you worshipping that F#@&ing Ligardes, I hate him :mad:, he killed my Flora T_T
Bonta Kun
2007-08-21, 17:16
he's no Lion King, he's more like Lion-O on steroids:p
Defiled one
2007-08-21, 17:24
Because.....He made it clear that life isnīt for heroes. For people who think that, just because they are in the good side of the battle will win.... just as real life.
He wonīt go easy on them because they are females. Or because they are what he was a long but a long time ago. He goes there, kills them and thatīs it.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 17:40
Clare is a pedo
Priscilla is a monster
And Easley might not be strait and a monster
Considering his choices in there. I say he`s F#$%d
Iīm loving this anime already since this episode. Lion King!
Today 16:57
Exactly. Actually Clare's a slut, Priscilla's a cannibal and Isley's bi. The only readable character in this episode is Rigald...just slaughter, slaughter, tear.;)
And poor Raki, his "future wife's" a man-eater...literally.
He's thinking "Oh crap, Priscilla's eating another guy, and she's leaving me alone for all this time..am I the main course?":p
witchking99
2007-08-21, 17:51
Because.....He made it clear that life isnīt for heroes. For people who think that, just because they are in the good side of the battle will win.... just as real life.
He wonīt go easy on them because they are females. Or because they are what he was a long but a long time ago. He goes there, kills them and thatīs it.
Yeah well let's see if he lasts the battle, if you know what I mean.
If you want to worship somebody, worship ME!! :cool:
ep21 is out now.
im dling
*drooool*
FlareKnight
2007-08-21, 18:33
Holy crap!!! There are few words to even describe what just happened there. Complete and utter destruction that's for sure.
They take some early hits but are holding out to a degree. Then they pull back the troops which is odd I'm sure for the girls. Then this guy comes in and completely starts sniping down the leadership of the group. Taking down the strong ones will of course leave little for the rest to do but die quick deaths.
This is just terrible. Maybe the hardest loss was Jean. After all she pulled back from awakening and really had that honorable personality that I was liking. Of course giving episodes to make people get attached to some characters then they are just gone in an instant.
Negativedark
2007-08-21, 18:41
Yeah well let's see if he lasts the battle, if you know what I mean.
If you want to worship somebody, worship ME!! :cool:
I'm an athiest. I worship NO ONE!
I always had a certian idea for howFlora's death would play out when animated. I just always imagined that Claire would look up, cut to Flora's face with the clay in her forhead, all sound drops out absolute silence for a second, then the behind shot as she's cut in half, with all sound just coming back.
On a lighter note, how many Claymores could have survived if only the car had been invented?
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 18:42
Holy crap!!! There are few words to even describe what just happened there. Complete and utter destruction that's for sure.
They take some early hits but are holding out to a degree. Then they pull back the troops which is odd I'm sure for the girls. Then this guy comes in and completely starts sniping down the leadership of the group. Taking down the strong ones will of course leave little for the rest to do but die quick deaths.
This is just terrible. Maybe the hardest loss was Jean. After all she pulled back from awakening and really had that honorable personality that I was liking. Of course giving episodes to make people get attached to some characters then they are just gone in an instant.
The most vicious attack was on Flora...like she was stunned. She didn't see it coming.
On a lighter note, how many Claymores could have survived if only the car had been invented?
LOL depends on the car model available:p
In this case a SUV would have been nice:D
it's pretty nice to see the reactions of people that havent read the manga.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 18:50
it's pretty nice to see the reactions of people that havent read the manga.
Manga readers just play dumb...;)
FlareKnight
2007-08-21, 18:51
The most vicious attack was on Flora...like she was stunned. She didn't see it coming.
Well I wouldn't say vicious but shocking or surprising certainly fits with that attack. Barely even a moment to know she's done for before being split. Just that I was more attached to Jean thanks to the time we've had with her.
Bonta Kun
2007-08-21, 19:18
Manga readers just play dumb...;)
Manga readers ARE dumb;)
<--manga reader:p
dl is ridiculously slow for some reason.
15~30kb/s
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-21, 19:25
I do feel sorry for Priscillia in this ep but boy, Raki takes the hat by trying to hug an AB and trying to stop her/it from continue eating human. Talk about courage! In any normal circumstances, people would run like there is no tomorrow but here, he is trying to console Priscillia. And yes, he is truly in FUBAR situation.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-08-21, 19:29
I do feel sorry for Priscillia in this ep but boy, Raki takes the hat by trying to hug an AB and trying to stop her/it from continue eating human. Talk about courage! In any normal circumstances, people would run like there is no tomorrow but here, he is trying to console Priscillia. And yes, he is truly in FUBAR situation.
Yes Raki has GUTS..........uh oh..... just kidding :p
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 19:31
Manga readers ARE dumb;)
<--manga reader:p
Suuuuuree, this reading thing sure is overrated. :p
Well I wouldn't say vicious but shocking or surprising certainly fits with that attack. Barely even a moment to know she's done for before being split. Just that I was more attached to Jean thanks to the time we've had with her.
Well, the Flora fans sure are in tears by now (cough) Quichy (cough). I wasn't attached to anyone well, maybe except Flora's loli voice.:) Wish there was more to Veronica though. She had a lot of potential and could've been part of the Slashers.
i dont think you can call that 'courage' because raki doesnt understand the situation he's in. If he did understand his life was in danger and had a healthy fear of AB and still wanted to do that yeah maybe he is courageous.
Actually...i think if they did this in the manga it would make more sense because i cant imagine raki never finding out about it after being together so long.
Manga readers ARE dumb;)
<--manga reader:p
yes, us manga readers are keeping it REAL yo. REAL DUMB.
I do feel sorry for Priscillia in this ep but boy, Raki takes the hat by trying to hug an AB and trying to stop her/it from continue eating human. Talk about courage! In any normal circumstances, people would run like there is no tomorrow but here, he is trying to console Priscillia. And yes, he is truly in FUBAR situation.
Yeah. He is in a absolutely s***y situation (actually, he was since episode 19, but at least now he KNOWS what he got into :heh: ).
Priscilla is a man-eating monster. Isley probably is not human, too. Clare is so close, yet so far.... What the boy will do now? :p
Ah, and before someone start whinning about how Raki lost the chance of killing Priscilla, remember A.O.s don't die easily. Riful in her human form suffered nothing when Clare hit her with her sword in episode 17. I doubt Priscilla would suffer a big damage from Raki atack.
If Raki had atacked her, probably she would just get mad (or even more mad), kill him and lost control. No one else would stop her now. ;)
With Raki appealing to her human side, there's still hope... if Clare and co. kick the ass of a certain Lion King who is not from Walt Disney, that is. :heh:
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 19:40
I do feel sorry for Priscillia in this ep but boy, Raki takes the hat by trying to hug an AB and trying to stop her/it from continue eating human. Talk about courage! In any normal circumstances, people would run like there is no tomorrow but here, he is trying to console Priscillia. And yes, he is truly in FUBAR situation.
So what exactly did Raki say to Pris? "Priscilla, bad girl...don't eat humans." OR
"Priscilla, I promise to be with you forever as long as you stop eating humans."
OR
"Priscilla, that's fine...as long as you don't eat ME.":p
So what exactly did Raki say to Pris? "Priscilla, bad girl...don't eat humans." OR
"Priscilla, I promise to be with you forever as long as you stop eating humans."
OR
"Priscilla, that's fine...as long as you don't eat ME.":p
My answer to this was "Priscilla save some for me, Im starving here" :p
In my opinion though.....
THIS...EPISODE...WAS....THE...S***
God the carnage was just awesome and the whole AB grabbing claymores and popping them like grapes was sweet. The looks on all their faces as Rigardo(or the lion king as I like to think of him:p) went on the attack was simply priceless. I dont understand japanese but with all the killing it didnt even matter:D
I put the stuff in a spoiler just for people who didnt watch the raw yet
On a lighter note, how many Claymores could have survived if only the car had been invented?
Who's to say Ligardes/Rigald/Rigardo can't keep up with a car? I mean Riful could keep up with a Concorde :p
OMG it was incredible.
Amazing animation, good graphics.
Amazing change turn of events, changes from manga, but it was so dramatic.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2987/rigardobk6.jpg
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/6924/rakilr8.jpg
This episode is "finger-lickin' good!"
yeah that was amazing. In many ways it surpassed the manga completely, not to mention the emotional scene with raki was superb.
9/10
http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/6924/rakilr8.jpg
Anyone else is thinking something like "And, after seeing Priscilla naked, Raki put out his big sword"? :heh: :naughty:
Damn, scenes from Pricilla are really shocking, oh poor girl, poor girl.:(
Damn, scenes from Pricilla are really shocking, oh poor girl, poor girl.:(
makes you wonder if there isn't some way to change back into a human from a yoma, or at least tame your desires for guts in some way (maybe eat guts of monkeys or dead ppl? yuk :upset:)
Tempest35
2007-08-21, 21:28
Wow, I am speechless. This fight alone puts '300' to shame and it's only half done!! Damn it all to hell, I wanted to go 'Battousai' and get in there but nooo~ I'm forced to watch my girls die horribly.
As for Rigardo....SIMBA!!! (FYI, in Swahilli - 'simba' = 'damn lion': adjective included) :D
Raki, you're REALLY pushing your luck here. :heh: First, a Claymore. Second, a Claymore almost Awakening. Third, a pyscho Claymore and an Awakened. Now you are hugging PRISCILLA during feeding time?? Hontou BAKA DESHOU!!
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-21, 21:33
At least the operators died a warrior's death. They go down fighting which I think much preferred ending for any Claymore than an Awakening.
witchking99
2007-08-21, 21:38
I wonder where are those manga readers that have the audacity to say"The manga version is way better than the anime".Where are they now? Guess this ep. proves that anime is far superior than a "piece of paper".:p
Raki, you're REALLY pushing your luck here. :heh: First, a Claymore. Second, a Claymore almost Awakening. Third, a pyscho Claymore and an Awakened. Now you are hugging PRISCILLA during feeding time?? Hontou BAKA DESHOU!!
A little correction... he is hugging A NAKED Priscilla during feeding time, with her Abyssal boyfriend just behind them. :heh:
But don't worry. If he somehow escape that alive, he can still run to Pieta, that city surrounded by 27 awaked beings and that dawn lion. Talking about pushing his luck... :p ;)
witchking99
2007-08-21, 21:59
Now that I think about it, do you think Raki could somehow be transform into a kind of Awakened Being like Griffis did in Berserk.You know somehow he is able to obtain that power and be transform into something like "Raki, The Wings of Darkness".I don't know just speculation.:p
dutchman
2007-08-21, 22:02
H'm horrible massacre. At least I was prepared for this as an manga reader. However the way the slaughter was depicted in the anime was worse then in the manga.
Call me old fashioned but I do not like women being torn to bits even when its only animated. Still hats of for madhouse in pulling no stops here.
The Raki part which was added leaves me wondering how this will fit in with the main story. Especially since even a dull (but brave) person like Raki is probably aware that he is keeping very dangerous company..
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 22:17
I wonder where are those manga readers that have the audacity to say"The manga version is way better than the anime".Where are they now? Guess this ep. proves that anime is far superior than a "piece of paper".:p
Manga reader here...so you're basing your opinion on one flashy episode? Where were you in the other 20 episodes?;) I enjoyed the gore...but Another LAME filler by Madhouse when it comes to Raki...
1) Just like when madhouse attempted to sell me that garbage just because they were too lazy to ANIMATE the Clare=Flora fight, they had to pass me that pathetic excuse that Jean butted in before the fight and Jean "wanted to protect Clare"? Please....
2) here's another one...I dont recall Raki catching Pris eating a human in the manga and Madhouse wanted me to accept that Raki didn;t piss his pants when Priscilla was eating a human, with Isley at his back, explaining that Priscilla was a victim of yomas...so Prisc eats humans because her family was victimized by yomas? PLUS>>>>she still continues to EAT when she's still crying! And that's drama? Sorry, that doesn't add up...Madhouse is a great animator...editing and story wise they blow.
witchking99
2007-08-21, 22:25
It is irrelevant my friend, My comment stands correct.You are just pointing out "minor" issues.:p
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 22:27
If it's irrelevant, amigo why did u make that bold statement about the audacity of manga readers? No biggie...:)
almpagen
2007-08-21, 22:31
Just watched the raw, this episode is gonna be epic for the "anime" ending, cant wait for the subbed=)
First of all if Teresa was alive I bet she could whip the living fucking shit out of Lion boy and his lackies.
Second Lion boy was totally bad ass. I mean he he steamed rolled the girls. It was like a senior line backer running at full speed and launching his body through the air at an anorexic freshman girl.
Third I can NOT believe that Udine and Jeane died. I liked them both.
Fourth to all of those dissing Raki because he didn't "kill" her I think you should go kill yourself for being stupid. Lets look at the following list:
1. Raki is a pussy
2. Raki is a human
3. Raki is weak
4. Priscilla is AB
5. She can kill him with in a fraction of a second.
So attacking her or trying to reason? Which sounds better morons?
Anyways sick episode.
EDIT: By the way that scene with Raki/Pris is so stupid. Any person who saw her eating would NOT try to consolidate her as they know that such beings.... kinda... sorta.... eat people.... and seeing that Raki is a person that puts him in a fucked situation.
hollywoodlou
2007-08-21, 22:50
First of all if Teresa was alive I bet she could whip the living fucking shit out of Lion boy and his lackies.
Second Lion boy was totally bad ass. I mean he he steamed rolled the girls. It was like a senior line backer running at full speed and launching his body through the air at an anorexic freshman girl.
Third I can NOT believe that Udine and Jeane died. I liked them both.
Fourth to all of those dissing Raki because he didn't "kill" her I think you should go kill yourself for being stupid. Lets look at the following list:
1. Raki is a pussy
2. Raki is a human
3. Raki is weak
4. Priscilla is AB
5. She can kill him with in a fraction of a second.
So attacking her or trying to reason? Which sounds better morons?
Anyways sick episode.
EDIT: By the way that scene with Raki/Pris is so stupid. Any person who saw her eating would NOT try to consolidate her as they know that such beings.... kinda... sorta.... eat people.... and seeing that Raki is a person that puts him in a fucked situation.
I totally agree with the Mr. roowr ripping everyone apart...that was siiicckkk, action galore and made me quiet for a bit. Love it!
Your point # 4 and # 5...I agree it was another "genius" attempt by madhouse to re-write the episode. If you were Raki and Isley explained to you that Priscilla is a big-a** yoma (abyssal) and here she was eating another human....of course, logically you'll piss your pants, PLUS you already have your sword drawn and you get suckered in by her crying?
Raki...dude, add it up...naked woman eating human entrails? Abyssal? You are one meal away from desert. WHY would you "comfort" an Abyssal eating another human? Unless you've got the hots for her...;)
khryoleoz
2007-08-21, 22:50
Nope...Thatīs just you.
She behaved like Ophelia...She feels hungry and she canīt stop eating or else she will starve. She could have eaten the boy but she had control, meaning that this need of flesh is dominated like a human..unlike vampires that attack anything if they are low on blood.
There is also something that is clear. Priscilla knows what she is doing is wrong, otherwise she wouldnīt cry. But itīs survival of the fittest.
On the other aspect, Priscilla still has moralty.
Can awakened breed with normal humans?
Could it be, we have an AB stricken with MS (morality syndrome)?
:eyespin:
Good episode. Much like the manga... seems odd to have an anime only ending with it going so word for word (minus on scene). If they did, it seems like they'd leave a lot open but maybe they will tie that up somehow.
Anyway, fun time with the gore. Felt sorry for some of those unsuspecting first Claymores. 9/10 Seems decent.
Negativedark
2007-08-21, 22:57
Or could it be that by eating that guy Priscilla went off her diet? Maybe she's crying because she's afraid she'll get fat? Raki will have to find a way to make Tofu that tastes like guts, and then Isley and Priscilla will never have to eat anyone again, and everyone can live happily ever after.
Although I personally think it's be a hell of a lot bloodier, with lots of screaming and dying, and eating people or no eating people, Claire is going to go after Priscilla's head.
Finally I would like to say that Asteroth from soul Caliber's weather prediction really did come true today. It rained Blood.
the lowest score anyone can give this is a 7. That's how sick it was. I expected gore but the anime went out of it's way to show other no-name claymores getting crushed and chopped to pieces.
I havent seen so much gore in anime since the eclipse episode from berserk.
IMSabbel
2007-08-21, 23:21
I wonder where are those manga readers that have the audacity to say"The manga version is way better than the anime".Where are they now? Guess this ep. proves that anime is far superior than a "piece of paper".:p
Actually, no. It still sucks, we just decide not to annoy anime viewers about it. The real gentlemen just watches and silently snickers.
(minor hyperbole warning)
Revolutionist
2007-08-21, 23:34
10/10 IMO
the action was way over the top, chicks getting crushed, cut in half, impaled...disgusting but very well done. GG
the lion guy seems way too cocky and he's just brutal. I wish Teresa was alive so she could show him and his pawns who owns who. Although I'm certain Clare will go berserk or something and beat the living crap outta him in the upcoming episodes. Most likely next one.
As for Raki...LOL nothing to say there.
rooting for Clare, Miria, Deneve and Helen all the way!
Damnit Jean... WHY?
Flora is the weakest link!
Kill the lion!!!
Manga reader here...so you're basing your opinion on one flashy episode? Where were you in the other 20 episodes?;) I enjoyed the gore...but Another LAME filler by Madhouse when it comes to Raki...
(...)
2) here's another one...I dont recall Raki catching Pris eating a human in the manga and Madhouse wanted me to accept that Raki didn;t piss his pants when Priscilla was eating a human, with Isley at his back, explaining that Priscilla was a victim of yomas...so Prisc eats humans because her family was victimized by yomas? PLUS>>>>she still continues to EAT when she's still crying! And that's drama? Sorry, that doesn't add up...Madhouse is a great animator...editing and story wise they blow.
I totally agree (I think we're in minority though), the fights were awesome but the thing with Raki... It was really lame, now I'm starting to hate Raki too. He should've tried to kill her or run away or piss/kill himself , he saw a monster eating guts and all he did was hugging Priscilla, he was so close that he smelled intestines that she ate, so all previous experiences meant nothing to him. Unless he's in love with her it is super far-fetched.
And yeah, I wonder too if Raki noticed that Isley isn't human, he knew that Priscilla is AB and no one besides claymores know that.
My rating for this episode: 7/10
Fourth to all of those dissing Raki because he didn't "kill" her I think you should go kill yourself for being stupid. Lets look at the following list:
1. Raki is a pussy
2. Raki is a human
3. Raki is weak
4. Priscilla is AB
5. She can kill him with in a fraction of a second.
1. Eh... no, remember encounter with Ophelia and first AB he saw and was almost eaten alive ?
4 and 5. He didn't know that, he just thought she was a youma, and he would be able to kill youma
I totally agree (I think we're in minority though), the fights were awesome but the thing with Raki... It was really lame, now I'm starting to hate Raki too. He should've tried to kill her or run away or piss/kill himself , he saw a monster eating guts and all he did was hugging Priscilla
If raki were to do any of the above mentioned actions it would almost certainly result in his almost-immediate death. For example:
1)Tried to kill her- She would most likely not be injured and might retaliate against raki in which case he would be annihilated
2)Run away- He would either have been caught by Isley/Priscilla and dragged back and eaten(or gangbanged then eaten:heh:)
3)Commited suicide- This would pretty much lead to the same conclusion as the first two just with less explanation:D
I think that the claymore animation development team is trying to keep raki alive so that he can have a roll in the later episodes, and thus cant let him be killed (hence the reasoning behind his LUCK + *Insert insanely high # here* skill). Of course this is all just speculation
I totally agree (I think we're in minority though), the fights were awesome but the thing with Raki... It was really lame, now I'm starting to hate Raki too. He should've tried to kill her or run away or piss/kill himself , he saw a monster eating guts and all he did was hugging Priscilla, he was so close that he smelled intestines that she ate, so all previous experiences meant nothing to him. Unless he's in love with her it is super far-fetched.
And yeah, I wonder too if Raki noticed that Isley isn't human, he knew that Priscilla is AB and no one besides claymores know that.
My rating for this episode: 7/10
i think raki sees humanity in priscilla, that's why he feels for her. She's eating human guts but she's crying, she thinks it's immoral to eat people, she possesses empathy (which is weird because strongly expressed the desire to do so right after awakening).
Raki sees humanity in the buck naked little loli girl who is eating only to sustain herself as an awakened being. He wants to kill her but is reminded of how human she acted toward him in the previous episodes. He sort of had a mental breakdown from the way i see it. He has the horrible experience of being victimized by youma but can't return the favor to something that essentially mirrors his own humanity - priscilla.
I think this scene developed raki's character like 10 fold. It showed his compassion toward the condemned and even the ones that hurt him the most. He lost his entire family to youma and yet he still didn't take it upon himself to take revenge. This shows the depth of his compassion and empathy in his character.
*sobs* I was not ready to see Jean killed like this *sobs*, and what the heck is Clare doing ? Did she forgot what Galatea told her about awakening, I hope she is not going to do anything stupid like awake... And what the heck is that Raki guy doing .. ?! What the hell are all doing ?!! Kill HIM! I hate HIM!
royaltyxgirl
2007-08-22, 04:59
i think clare will become even more stronger...cuz rite now i feel that shes not even using her hidden power from teresa yet!!! i cant wait till she amazes all those who think shes weaker than them =]
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-22, 05:00
Human emotions is not a logical argument and resolution. Hence it is not easy to take a life or even to feel angry enough to kill something alive. Raki has a reason to hesitate and smash the sword into Priscillia or simply become irrational. He lost his family to Yoma plague and after knowing that Priscillia have the same fate and worst, become the plague herself, he is torn emotionally.
Stories on how people become irrational under extreme duress and stress has been documented like Stockholm Syndrome or why mass number of people so easily cowed by few armed people like Nanking 1937 or Holocaust. Or bystander effect and Zimbardo prison experiment.
It is easy to condemn people as observer but once you in the situation, it becomes very different.
i think clare will become even more stronger...cuz rite now i feel that shes not even using her hidden power from teresa yet!!! i cant wait till she amazes all those who think shes weaker than them =]
Question is if she has any powers from Teresa hidden, I recall that she once dreamed about Teresa fighting (after dueling with Miria).
Human emotions is not a logical argument and resolution. Hence it is not easy to take a life or even to feel angry enough to kill something alive. Raki has a reason to hesitate and smash the sword into Priscillia or simply become irrational. He lost his family to Yoma plague and after knowing that Priscillia have the same fate and worst, become the plague herself, he is torn emotionally.
Stories on how people become irrational under extreme duress and stress has been documented like Stockholm Syndrome or why mass number of people so easily cowed by few armed people like Nanking 1937 or Holocaust. Or bystander effect and Zimbardo prison experiment.
It is easy to condemn people as observer but once you in the situation, it becomes very different.
Wow first good post on the theme.o.ob And it's especially not easy to kill with intention and with a blade for the first time.
It is easy to condemn people as observer but once you in the situation, it becomes very different.
I know, I thought about it when I wrote my post, that's why I wrote several possibilities other than "killing Priscilla" because killing someone definitely isn't easy especially for sensitive person, but running away is. What Raki did was the most safe way to stay alive, I agree, but it was lame. He knew Priscilla for few days/weeks, all we saw that she was embracing him, they weren't even talking and suddenly he saw that she's a monster, eating guts and crying, he thought for few seconds and embraced her, lol. If he knew her longer, let's say 7 years (random number ;)) that would make more sense but at that moment it was very strange that he reacted like that.
Tempest35
2007-08-22, 06:07
So if Raki started spilling AB blood, he'd suddenly become cool? Pffth, I'd prefer that he stay as is then. Isley would have killed him easily enough.
This was a really good episode but not for many of the reasons that people say it was. The gore - the killing - the bloody dismemberments : I hated it. I hated that it was happening to those girls. Last episode actually did me in despite knowing that this was going to happen, I was feeling for them. And now they are being torn apart like rag dolls as if their lives held no meaning whatsoever.
I won't even begin to speak of what I'd do with a Zulu warspear and Mr. Fuzzy's behind.
*sigh* many missions on Dynasty Warriors await me...
I'll comment on Priscilla and Raki later...
So if Raki started spilling AB blood, he'd suddenly become cool? Pffth, I'd prefer that he stay as is then. Isley would have killed him easily enough.
(...)
I wouldn't say "cool" but it wouldn't be lame either. They should have stick to the manga that would be best, the moment they decided to reveal truth to Raki he should have died IMO.
Sub is out, this time it's really fast.:D Thanks Eclipse!
Okay I couldnt bear it anymore and I did it I opened manga and did read it, now Iam sad, I should not do it, do you guys think that is there any chance that it will still go like original manga story ?
P.S: Poor Jean :(
Wow - This was pretty quick, even if it's rather a fighting episode !
I wouldn't say "cool" but it wouldn't be lame either.
Would'nt be lame?! The WEAKEST being in the Claymore world suddenly killing two of the STRONGEST beings in the Claymore world, something not even the Top-10 Claymores could do?! How?! :p
No, there's no other way to Raki stay alive except keep Priscilla liking him. That way, maybe he can influenciate her enough to make her change sides... something Isley would not be expecting. :)
killer3000ad
2007-08-22, 07:14
Would'nt be lame?! The WEAKEST being in the Claymore world suddenly killing two of the STRONGEST beings in the Claymore world, something not even the Top-10 Claymores could do?! How?! :p
No, there's no other way to Raki stay alive except keep Priscilla liking him. That way, maybe he can influenciate her enough to make her change sides... something Isley would not be expecting. :)
Hey didn't you watch Unbreakable? Opposite powers! If they are the STRONGEST, then according to the "Opposite powers of protagonist and antagonist theory" the WEAKEST person, ie Raki should be the right one to defeat them. :p
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-22, 07:30
Don't discount too that maybe Priscillia is having severe amnesia or self denial due to her immense self loathing. She must have hated herself so much when she realized that she is already Awakened and slaughtered humans for her hunger. Before that she is an idealistic, almost paladin like virtuous knight in shining armour trying desperately and willing to push herself to the limit to defend humanity from Yoma plague. Even turning on her kind if ordered to do so like she did try her very best to kill Theresa even though she knew Theresa is strongest Claymore operator of that time.
It is bound to create a severe mental anguish to Priscillia once she realized what she has done and what happened to her. Psychologically impaired to the point she is having amnesia. In real world they are documented cases of people completely forget their old lives and live a new live which can run into several decades of amnesia.
Just some afterthoughts.
Havent watched the episode due to time constraint but ...
FLORAAAAA!!! T^T
JEANNNNN!!! T^T
UNDINNNEEEE!!!! T^T
T_T
DAMN YOU SIMBA!!!!
Defiled one
2007-08-22, 07:38
Raki arc seems good. But his charisma became his fall.
Did you see the hungry look in Easley eyes? Oh yeah....He seems amused by Raki sudden youma talk.
Nevertheless...Iīm seeing this a
Clare
Raki
Priscilla
Fight who gets the boy...It is the ultimate showdown!!! "sings"
Would'nt be lame?! The WEAKEST being in the Claymore world suddenly killing two of the STRONGEST beings in the Claymore world, something not even the Top-10 Claymores could do?! How?! :p
Of course he wouldn't be able to kill them but at least he could try, that was in my mind when I wrote that.
HOLY SH*T @ this episode!!!! O_O 10/10
This episode was a let down, the slaughter was awfully animated.
This episode was a let down, the slaughter was awfully animated.
I think that Slaughter was worst part of episode not because it was awfully animated but because animators went too far, too much blood if you ask me.
Hey didn't you watch Unbreakable? Opposite powers! If they are the STRONGEST, then according to the "Opposite powers of protagonist and antagonist theory" the WEAKEST person, ie Raki should be the right one to defeat them. :p
So, between all the Claymores out there - Clare, Miria, Helen and Deneve included - Raki is the only one who can take down Priscilla and Isley?! Heh, the Raki-haters will love that!! :heh: :p
Of course he wouldn't be able to kill them but at least he could try, that was in my mind when I wrote that.
If he tried, he would be Raki-Burger. :eyespin:
He can be stupid, but not THAT stupid. :heh:
^ Well, theorically, Clare is the weakest # :p
Taylor_Maclaurin
2007-08-22, 08:48
Would'nt be lame?! The WEAKEST being in the Claymore world suddenly killing two of the STRONGEST beings in the Claymore world, something not even the Top-10 Claymores could do?! How?! :p
So if Raki started spilling AB blood, he'd suddenly become cool? Pffth, I'd prefer that he stay as is then. Isley would have killed him easily enough.
I don't want to cut in but spilling AB blood != (read not equal) killing.
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No, there's no other way to Raki stay alive except keep Priscilla liking him. That way, maybe he can influenciate her enough to make her change sides... something Isley would not be expecting. :)
Not only way, have you ever considered that they might let him escape ?
I truly didn't expect to see a emotional unstable Priscilla, though it is the best way for Raki to attached to her in some way --- still, this also has me even more worried on how they plan to end this one.
Ligardes was pretty awesome, especially in is RAWR Lion mode. I see that Jean wasn't split in two, so for the moment i'm not going to class her as dead. I know what this show can be like in this situation --- so i'll wait to see more.
I truly didn't expect to see a emotional unstable Priscilla, though it is the best way for Raki to attached to her in some way --- still, this also has me even more worried on how they plan to end this one.
Ligardes was pretty awesome, especially in is RAWR Lion mode. I see that Jean wasn't split in two, so for the moment i'm not going to class her as dead. I know what this show can be like in this situation --- so i'll wait to see more.
His ARM went trought her chest .. and she is offensive type... I think we must accept that she is dead *burst to tears*
By the way I loved scene where she was abble to parry HIS smashes.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-22, 09:15
I wondering people here grown too attached to the warriors? People do die in war so I just don't get it when people hated to see characters die in war. What do you expect? Animated GI Joe?
blackmarks
2007-08-22, 09:18
So, between all the Claymores out there - Clare, Miria, Helen and Deneve included - Raki is the only one who can take down Priscilla and Isley?! Heh, the Raki-haters will love that!! :heh: :p
If he tried, he would be Raki-Burger. :eyespin:
He can be stupid, but not THAT stupid. :heh:
there is some history tho. barring how strong clare is/was, youma-hating opheilia "let" clare kill her as she realized what she had become and died remembering her brother's sacrifice. couldn't priscilla be done in the same way by raki?
that said, there's also easley to deal with. i think he's over any guilt he might of had. :heh:
miroku2192
2007-08-22, 09:19
wait is the "air-ing" for claymore earlier now or something? how come the eclipse fansubs are out SO EARLY O_O :eyespin::eyespin::eyespin::D:D:p
Mandrake
2007-08-22, 09:19
Claymore ain't no A-Team where the bullets don't hit and carcrashes are risk free :P
Not only way, have you ever considered that they might let him escape ?
Isley was blocking the only way out of that cave. Raki would need to convince him to simplily step away first. And i don't think that would be possible.
Even if was, would Isley let a witness alive? Someone not very different than the dozens of humans he already killed and ate? He just gave a death sentence to an entire city just a few hours ago.
I wondering people here grown too attached to the warriors? People do die in war so I just don't get it when people hated to see characters die in war. What do you expect? Animated GI Joe?
I think Its only natural that peoples dont like to see their heroes die.It is kinda sad that Jeane died (at least it looks like she did) because I was realy hoping that :Jeane could live and help Clare turn back if she awaken in anime.
Ep 21 was exciting enough to get a response. The ones that usually talk a-lot to their pray before actually beginning the fight with their pray are going to have problems now.
Compassion compassion compassion. It appears as well that the human world living space isn't very large after all.
Defiled one
2007-08-22, 09:40
Raki was like...Priscilla what are you doing? "nom nom nom sobs sobs sobs nom nom nom sobs sobs sobs"
No! you mustnīt eat it! please Priscilla you musntīt eat it!;_;
And Priscilla wasnīt actually paying attention to Raki while she continued to eat.
And the best thing was
EASLEY WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING! PRISCILLA IS A YOUMA!
He didnīt even realized that he was blocking the exit.
:bow: Raki you amaze me!
Oh you are so dead.....
Boy... Raki wouln't die. Raki die = end of story T.T Sobs
I wondering people here grown too attached to the warriors? People do die in war so I just don't get it when people hated to see characters die in war. What do you expect? Animated GI Joe?
Not its not like that at all.
I've seen some crazy things in this series --- i'll never forget Ophelia and her neck play around, and more thats happened in this series, so for now i just want to wait and see. I know characters have to die in war, i'm not some child that doesn't understand that. :3
Oh you are so dead.....
I wouldn't mind knowing just what Isley is thinking. Him and that awesome smile..
Defiled one
2007-08-22, 09:45
Actually I think he will be the one who will actually survive this whole ordeal.
Clare
Priscilla
This isnīt about Teresa getting killed anymore..maybe a little. Itīs about who gets Raki for company.
I sense an incoming chickfight....
This isnīt about Teresa getting killed anymore..maybe a little. Itīs about who gets Raki for company.
I sense an incoming chickfight....
I believe this is the final step that'll bring Raki and Priscilla closer (no.. not like that), so of course its going to be INSANE once Clare enters into this lovely pair --- the question is when!
Great episode overall, lots of action and as much as I hate to say it, I thought that Rigald was awesome. Did anyone catch Easley saying "lets go towards the south"? Shouldnt Pieta be north?
Jarviscat
2007-08-22, 10:20
Great episode overall, lots of action and as much as I hate to say it, I thought that Rigald was awesome. Did anyone catch Easley saying "lets go towards the south"? Shouldnt Pieta be north?
I believe Pieta is on the very southern border into Alphonse. So by heading south, they are moving closer to that town and their (Easley's army) eventual destination.
Great episode overall, lots of action and as much as I hate to say it, I thought that Rigald was awesome. Did anyone catch Easley saying "lets go towards the south"? Shouldnt Pieta be north?
U dont see President Bush heading to Iraq when there is a War going on do u?
toxic_trance
2007-08-22, 10:31
Its official..Raki is stupid..ven I hate him now..his one chance to fame..and he loses it. As for the script change...i really dont know if I am happy or sad..lets just hope..the ending is a deserving one for Claymore..especially when the manga is soo amazing.
just judging the episode..i think the excess blood and violence was simply perfect...just what i needed. Although I really wished that they kept Flora alive. But I still wonder..why was Flora's bi-symetrical cut not shown...whereas rest every other ones was shown when they were cut.
Another Dissapointment would be them changing Rigardo's weapon. In the Manga he used something else..which only Clare noticed and no one else in the beginning. Anyway..the one good thing about the change is that it keeps all the fans now guessing.
As for the ending..I hope Riful makes an entry and fights from Clare's side...Clare single-handedly beating all would be a bit too much.
Rating..i think a 9 would be great
Watching this episode brought the same feelings of episode 8.
Kai Robin
2007-08-22, 10:32
gads, for flora, the fastest in the organization in drawing and cutting, not to be able to defend herself from a fingernail, that was just stupid.
utterly horrid presentation that just killed it for me.
Tiberium Wolf
2007-08-22, 10:36
gads, for flora, the fastest in the organization in drawing and cutting, not to be able to defend herself from a fingernail, that was just stupid.
utterly horrid presentation that just killed it for me.
Fastest in the organization != fastest in the world.
So it just happen to be someone faster...
gads, for flora, the fastest in the organization in drawing and cutting, not to be able to defend herself from a fingernail, that was just stupid.
utterly horrid presentation that just killed it for me.
Hmm? Seems to me that you're just mad that... Flora died. Isn't it obvious that "he's" way beyond her in skill, speed and power? Flora is not ranked "number 1 Claymore" by the organization, so I dont know why there's a problem. I must admit I was a little annoyed when... Ophelia died (I liked that character alot) but I prefer this to Bleach, where nobody dies. :rolleyes:
epic 10/10 for me.
The fight scenes are a lot better than ep. 19, no more cheap flash sword effects from some random claymore. Also, I love the mood on this episode, I read the manga and it still gave me some goosebumps when I was watching it.
P.S. DAMN YOU SIMBA!!!
makes you wonder if there isn't some way to change back into a human from a yoma
An ending like Monster? That would be... interesting.
Its official..Raki is stupid..ven I hate him now..his one chance to fame..and he loses it.
I'm telling you, Isley was just there behind him, blocking his only way out. If he had tried to kill Priscilla, he would be next. :p
And we don't know if Priscilla would die that easily. Clare hit Riful in human form with her full force, yet she felt nothing.
Besides, if Raki play his cards nicely now, he could turn Priscilla into his slave! Just imaginate, Raki could order Priscilla to eat all those old men in the Organization, and so he becomes the new ruler of the world! :D
If you has no power to win, use Charisma and politics. ;)
Wow, this episode was brutal. :upset:
It was the expected massacre but to actually see it happen was still a bit upseting which makes the scenes of ep20 all the more poignant.
I was suprised to see the Claymores holding their own against the ABs. Just looking at the numbers alone - 24 Claymores Vs 27 ABs, it should have been near impossible for them to 4v1 an AB like what happened, where were all the other ABs?
Then of course Rigaldo comes and crushes what little hope there was of survival. :heh:
Undine - for me her death flag was raised in the previous ep when we delved into her past so no suprises there.
Flora - I gave her a 50/50 chance from last week but sadly she did not survive. Wasn't even given a chance. :(
Jean - That was somewhat suprising but like Shiroth I think there is still hope since she was not cut in half like the others.
I thought the Raki/Priscilla scene was ok, it's not the first time Raki has done something "stupid" so it's entirely consistant with his character so far. I got a chuckle out of that scene though.
"No! don't eat it!"
*cries*
*carry on eating* :D
How will Clare and co survive? Maybe they will awaken or perhaps Riful comes and saves them?
And so begins the painful wait for the next ep. :heh:
I wondering people here grown too attached to the warriors? People do die in war so I just don't get it when people hated to see characters die in war. What do you expect? Animated GI Joe?
Don't be so harsh. It is the truth. But let them be...and Raki haters :) Behave yourself. There is a special Raki Thread for this kind of stuff :)
If Anyone like to see your favorite character dying, this person have a problem. :p
CodySilver
2007-08-22, 11:26
yeap.... I saw Veronica, the cutest claymore.... oh damn, gonna take a shower now
This Pricilla scene in the cave was quite intresting. To me it looks like shes still have most of her human feelings left and dont want to eat, but still does it just to survive. But why should she slaughter entire villiages then? Well if my theory is correct she (as many other awakends does we are now told) lose control in certain situations. And that might be the reason why she left clare in the past, This is just my big theory i came up with after seing this ep.
For the episode, nice action and most animations was nice, they made rigardo look really good, i was afraid they should screw him up
@Nezor
No people dying? thats just boring IMO, knowing that anyone will/can die just make it more intresting to wach. Knowing that the heroes always will get stonger and kill everything is just not as intersting. And there cant be a nice tragedy if there is no people dying ;).
miroku2192
2007-08-22, 11:44
ayo...what the hell! The producers CAN"T BE DOING THIS!!! THEY"RE KILLING ALL THE CLAYMORES THAT IM STARTING TO LIKE!! :frustrated::frustrated::mad::mad:
wow...this blows....and i can't bleieve she died so easily too...a fingernail to the head...i watched that part 3 times nad was like "no way..that can't be my precious....... NOOOO!!!"
pfft...i would give it a 10 but the plot is killing me >.<, why are all my fave characters dying!!
Welcome to the brotherhood of the Thousand Sobs, brother.
First Teresa, and then Irene, we don't know what happened to Galatea, and now Jean! Oh God, Everyone we love is dying!! :upset:
Hey guys, kick!! Start hating Clare, Miria, Deneve and Helen. And if you have the time, start loving the ****ing Simba.
I can garantee, that works. Just look how Raki keeps living, even thought so many guys here hate him. :eyespin:
Negativedark
2007-08-22, 12:06
I know how my fellow Flora lovers feel. But I always like to belive that she either did manege to put up a defence before Claire looked up, or that, she was distracted by worrying about the others.
They switched Helen and Cynthia around for Veronica's scene.. =(
Epic episode. That's I have to say. Well that and...
DON'T DIE MIRIA!
Tempest35
2007-08-22, 12:17
Oh wow, everyone now knows some Swahilli now. lol :D
Anyway, in the case of Priscilla: it's a definite in my mind - she really likes him. Likes him enough not to eat him and that's saying a lot. I won't make any deep comments since we don't know how Mr. Silver Hair is going to use this situation but if he did try anything against Raki right now, it wouldn't be very smart. I wonder how much self-control can an Awakened maintain at any given time...
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-22, 12:18
Well at least Flora died in hands of very worthy adversary. Rigald is one of the most powerful Awaken Being known in Claymore world. I do like Flora but I also recognize that war is war and people dies. Sucks big time.
miroku2192
2007-08-22, 12:28
so let's all say we love raki..cuz then he'll die right :heh:
but yeah stupid producers...killing anyone else is ok...but it's a no no since flora in the last eps. was like "let's meet again to fight"...pfft stupid how they throw that line in and then get her killed. Same goes for frikin teresa...
STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!
xVxObliVioNxVx
2007-08-22, 12:46
Don't blame the producers for keeping the anime true to the manga. They did not kill off all these big characters, the creator of the manga did and rightfully so, otherwise the battle would have felt very unrealistic. So big promps to Madhouse for staying true to manga and making it feel far more alive and intense then the way it was in the manga.
I found it very impressive for Rigaldo to go after the top 5 leaders. He recognized immediatly that the reason these Claymores were able to put up such a strong fight is because of great leadership and teamwork. Notice how the whole group started falling apart as Veronica, Jeane, Undine, and Flora were killed. However, remember what Ophelia said, Miria's strength in group battles reaches that of the #1 ranked Alicia. Miria's still alive and currently the most powerful one in that group. So it will be interesting to see how she manages to lead the group while she avoids being killed by Rigaldo. And also, what does she know about Rigaldo? She seems suprised to see him here. Maybe she knows him from the past.
Anyways, amazing episode. Like most people here, I gave it a 10/10.
Bonta Kun
2007-08-22, 13:01
I'm guessing any top 5 warrior male/female that have awakened, anyone doing any digging is gonna find out about em. and as Lion-O(he's no Lion King, he's Lion-O on steroids) is more or less the commander of the AB forces, guess its safe to say he was ranked as a top 5 warrior in his time.
Miria seems to a good back knowledge of the ORG and previous warriors, so knowing who it was or why he was there would surprise her.
well since we didn't get a hot springs scene last ep, they are making it up with a nice gore fest:p
witchking99
2007-08-22, 13:24
Well now that our beloved claymores (Flora, Veronica, and Undine) are dead. I suggest we make a "Flora, Veronica and Undine Memorial thread".A tribute to those claymores that we have loved so much, but now are gone T_T *sniff* *sniff*.Please I implore that the thread is made to pay tribute to their memory.:(
strung_out
2007-08-22, 13:29
@Nezor
No people dying? thats just boring IMO, knowing that anyone will/can die just make it more intresting to wach. Knowing that the heroes always will get stonger and kill everything is just not as intersting. And there cant be a nice tragedy if there is no people dying ;).
I completely agree with you, it makes the battles a little more unpredictable and keeps everyone on the edge of their seats!
I haven't read the manga yet (I will save the manga after finishing the anime) so I don't know the outcome of this battle but I'm here worrying about Miria, Helen and Deneve just because I don't really know what to expect.
I don't have to worry about Clare though because I'm sure she'll be fine... right???.... right??? :uhoh:
Can't wait for the next episode... the wait will be brutal.
well since we didn't get a hot springs scene last ep, they are making it up with a nice gore fest:p
A special DVD episode.. you know its going to happen!
Gah, i hope not.
i think raki sees humanity in priscilla, that's why he feels for her. She's eating human guts but she's crying, she thinks it's immoral to eat people, she possesses empathy (which is weird because strongly expressed the desire to do so right after awakening).
Raki sees humanity in the buck naked little loli girl who is eating only to sustain herself as an awakened being. He wants to kill her but is reminded of how human she acted toward him in the previous episodes. He sort of had a mental breakdown from the way i see it. He has the horrible experience of being victimized by youma but can't return the favor to something that essentially mirrors his own humanity - priscilla.
I think this scene developed raki's character like 10 fold. It showed his compassion toward the condemned and even the ones that hurt him the most. He lost his entire family to youma and yet he still didn't take it upon himself to take revenge. This shows the depth of his compassion and empathy in his character.
This is what I was thinking also this ep has been very Interesting.
I completely agree with you, it makes the battles a little more unpredictable and keeps everyone on the edge of their seats!
I haven't read the manga yet (I will save the manga after finishing the anime) so I don't know the outcome of this battle but I'm here worrying about Miria, Helen and Deneve just because I don't really know what to expect.
I don't have to worry about Clare though because I'm sure she'll be fine... right???.... right??? :uhoh:
Can't wait for the next episode... the wait will be brutal.
That's exactly what I'm going to do is finish watching the Claymore Anime then I will begin to read the manga I did that also with berserk that way I wont keep comparing it all the time and spoiling it for myself if some parts are the same.
@Nezor
No people dying? thats just boring IMO, knowing that anyone will/can die just make it more intresting to wach. Knowing that the heroes always will get stonger and kill everything is just not as intersting. And there cant be a nice tragedy if there is no people dying ;).
Do not misunderstand what I'm saying. I said that I prefer Claymore to Bleach, because although Bleach is great, having no one die is a bit unrealistic and boring. So, IMO, Claymore > Bleach. As for the Raki haters, I see you have not gotten over the fact that Claire kissed him, Huh? :heh: Stop being so jealous. If anyone should be hated it's the Thundercat. :mad: He's the one who killed those beautiful Claymores, not Raki.
This Anime will be a roller coaster ride for people that havent read the manga or read the forums about it.
Not only will it create a great suspense, intensity for them, the story is unpredictable.
I was watching up to episode 8 and I was like wtf just happened. That was the time i came to forums to read stuff. Too bad forum has many spoilers and hints. So it kinda kills the suspense for people that read the forums.
Therefore, it's advisable for people watching this anime to avoid reading forums and the manga!!!!!
Hmmmm :->
To be honest, I was curious about the hissing in this channel when things turned sour and beloved characters started dropping like flies... so that's how it goes.
Now that it's clear that we're headed towards an original ending, it will be interesting to see how they plan to resolve everything. I hope that the anime will soon start to divert so much that it leaves the manga track completely. Would make for an interesting finish!
strung_out
2007-08-22, 14:03
That's exactly what I'm going to do is finish watching the Claymore Anime then I will begin to read the manga I did that also with berserk that way I wont keep comparing it all the time and spoiling it for myself if some parts are the same.
Same here, I did the very same thing for Berserk! I couldn't leave that story with how the anime ended. I agree with the spoiling of some parts by reading the manga though, I like seeing them in motion first... I can't really say why.
Really looking forward to the manga for Claymore, and if the manga is ongoing just like berserk... I hope they come out with more episodes after the 26 they have in mind!
Therefore, it's advisable for people watching this anime to avoid reading forums and the manga!!!!!
I totally and absolutely agree. I've never read the manga (wont anytime soon) and I tread very carefully through the threads here.
FlareKnight
2007-08-22, 14:08
First, yes I get people die in war. This is not some shocking mystery of the universe that has snuck under my nose and completely surprised me. Just thought I'd toss that in before hand.
Hopefully Miria has some kind of plan cooking in her head since right now they are in deep trouble here. At best she's got the fab 4 and some fodder against this guy and an army outside. She should be able to keep ahead of his attacks for a while but still winning is going to take some kind of miracle. Have to pray here since we've already seen a ton of devastation.
Wasn't surprised by Jean going down but still didn't make that easy. Her straight forward striking had me nervous ever since that fight with Dauf and it ended up costing her this time. Sadly you build up bonds with these characters as time goes on. Just how you get more connected with the story so when they go down you feel the loss. I guess it's possible for some to not care or not get attached. But if I didn't care it wouldn't be as good to watch.
A real concern can be Clare keeping her head. We're running out of people who have time to slam her face into the ground to cool her off. So now we'll have to see what happens next here.
xVxObliVioNxVx
2007-08-22, 14:12
Hmmmm :->
To be honest, I was curious about the hissing in this channel when things turned sour and beloved characters started dropping like flies... so that's how it goes.
Now that it's clear that we're headed towards an original ending, it will be interesting to see how they plan to resolve everything. I hope that the anime will soon start to divert so much that it leaves the manga track completely. Would make for an interesting finish!
What gives you the indecation that the anime is heading towards an original ending? So far, the anime has faithfully fallowed the manga, and I see no indecation that the anime is going for an original ending. It may, but I hope it doesn't. I am hoping for a cliffhanger.
Kinematics
2007-08-22, 14:20
Oh. My. Vicious and brutal. And confirms my expectations about the level of violence vs those who worried they'd tone it down.
Hearing the initial death count (3 AOs vs 5 Claymores), I could imagine that a prolonged battle with the 27 AOs would probably end in almost complete mutual annihilation. However Rigardo and Easley can't afford to toss away almost the entirety of their forces, so it certainly makes sense for Rigardo to make his move.
The first Claymore Rigardo killed confused me because she never stood out as a memorable character, and thus I didn't make the connection about who he was going after, even though it should have been obvious. Seeing Undine go down was a bit of a shock. Jean was unfortunately rather predictable; her attack is extremely direct, and without being hemmed in, Rigardo is free to dodge and counter. Flora... wow. Nasty, and no getting up from that one.
My only hope is that Jean pulls a Deneve since she was just speared through the gut (just the way Deneve was, in fact). And maybe a touching moment where Clare quits playing the headstrong fool long enough to encourage Jean to make the Awaken/De-Awaken transition.
As for those comments about Raki not being able to kill Priscilla -- get real. It's one thing to swing a sword at a monster trying to eat you (the AO in the Ophelia ep), or swing a sword to protect someone you care about (Ophelia), but to kill someone who appears to be human in cold blood from the back? He's not some hardened assassin. He's still just a kid.
First he makes the connection that she's a yoma. But recall that his brother, while trying to eat him, was crying due to the memories he retained. Can he be entirely sure that there's not something still worth saving in there? Then he's told that she's not just a yoma, but an AO, formerly human. Thus it's not even just memories that have been carried over by the yoma eating a human, but the actual original human being itself.
She's crying and calling for mama and papa, and apparently quite upset about what she's doing, but continuing because she has to. Of course Raki is going to try to comfort her, to try to bring her back to being fully human. It's a similar reaction to the Rabona incident, when Clare was in danger of losing herself.
Now, as to Raki's actual motivations and why he reacts this way, that's a bit more difficult to judge. It's just sort of presented a de facto aspect of his personality. Still, for who he is presented to be, this does seem to be the proper way for him to act.
However, remember what Ophelia said, Miria's strength in group battles reaches that of the #1 ranked Alicia.
You're right, I'd forgotten about that. Hope to see that get realized.
A real concern can be Clare keeping her head. We're running out of people who have time to slam her face into the ground to cool her off.
Yep. Rigardo just knocked her aside, he didn't do a proper face-plant, and Miria doesn't have time to deal with such matters. Have to hope Clare gets a clue soon.
What gives you the indecation that the anime is heading towards an original ending? So far, the anime has faithfully fallowed the manga, and I see no indecation that the anime is going for an original ending. It may, but I hope it doesn't. I am hoping for a cliffhanger.
Er, hello? Raki learning about Priscilla's origin? And Easley/Priscilla travelling to Pieta instead of the _deep_ south for a little landgrab? So that they're going to arrive and witness what's going to happen firsthand? I even smell a potential Clare-Raki reunion.
Especially the Raki part can't possibly be undone. I don't see how they could ever return to the manga track.
Well now that our beloved claymores (Flora, Veronica, and Undine) are dead. I suggest we make a "Flora, Veronica and Undine Memorial thread".A tribute to those claymores that we have loved so much, but now are gone T_T *sniff* *sniff*.Please I implore that the thread is made to pay tribute to their memory.:(
That would be the dumbest thing ever, even here on Animesuki forums.
Anh_Minh
2007-08-22, 14:25
Things I found stupid:
- the AB - in monster form, too - sneaking up on the Claymores. Aren't they supposed to be really bad at hiding their youki?
- Rigaldo recalling his forces.
- the Claymores deciding to fight him one-on-one. What's with that?
Raki pissed me off. First time he really did since the series started. What was he thinking? That Priscilla would stop being the monster she is just because he asks?
Those things kept me from getting really involved with the episode. So, since moreover I knew what was coming, I wasn't as emotionally touched by the deaths of the commanders as I should have been. Bummer.
To end on a positive note, things I liked:
- the deaths of the AB. Those were pretty cool.
Claymore_Obsessed
2007-08-22, 14:29
ok this was a great episode, except.... that Raki scene.
so they are implying Raki and Priscilla are in love? and he suddenly forgot Claire?
That left me speechless... original ending is original, I guess.
However it's somehow interesting because this way I don't know what's going to happen... ^^;
stormy001_M1A2
2007-08-22, 14:31
It is not they fighting one on one, it is rather it happened so fast that most low to middle ranking Claymore operators has no time to react to Rigald's attack and movement.
The manga shows it very clearly.
Defiled one
2007-08-22, 14:32
:bow: :bow: LION KING!!!!
Oh Miria Miria, sweet little Miria. You are soooo next to die....:cool: Nevertheless...I think Clare will live, at least the long enough to see Priscilla hugging Raki while making a "blew" face to her who just only...:( Has to say in her death time.
"SON OF A BI......:mad:"
:rolleyes: Yes, my evil ending.
witchking99
2007-08-22, 14:51
:bow: :bow: LION KING!!!!
Oh Miria Miria, sweet little Miria. You are soooo next to die....:cool: Nevertheless...I think Clare will live, at least the long enough to see Priscilla hugging Raki while making a "blew" face to her who just only...:( Has to say in her death time.
"SON OF A BI......:mad:"
:rolleyes: Yes, my evil ending.
how much longer are you gonna be worshipping "HIM" :bash: :mad:. Although I hate that damn Simba, He is very powerful, possibly the most powerful Awakened after the Abyssals and Priscilla, of course.
:bow: :bow: LION KING!!!!
Oh Miria Miria, sweet little Miria. You are soooo next to die....:cool: Nevertheless...I think Clare will live, at least the long enough to see Priscilla hugging Raki while making a "blew" face to her who just only...:( Has to say in her death time.
"SON OF A BI......:mad:"
:rolleyes: Yes, my evil ending.
Wow you have a wild imagination ... but I guess I could say that even about anime makers ;) Iam just a bit envious of you for having brains with a rather fast metabolism ;) ;)
Zilveari
2007-08-22, 15:05
This episode was painful I voted 1... for adding nonmanga filler.
witchking99
2007-08-22, 15:08
Well some of the content is nonmanga, but I would hardly call it fillers. The content is essentially anime original.:cool:
This episode was painful I voted 1... for adding nonmanga filler.
haha ya the Raki scene there kind of throw people off because for an instant you see claymores get killed and then they switch to Raki.
I was like "come on i am anxious about the battle why you switch up on me?' ^^
hollywoodlou
2007-08-22, 16:08
This episode was painful I voted 1... for adding nonmanga filler.
I haven't voted yet and it should've been a 10 BUT...
the Raki-Priscilla scene kinda ruined it. OK here's a head scratcher...you are Raki, u see Priscilla eating human entrails...Raki is human. Now Raki has the sword ready to kill her BUT got suckered in by her being naked ...and crying....while eating human entrails.:confused:
THEN Isley explains she's more than yoma...she's an Awakened Being...which is worse than yoma.
Now wouldn't it be normal that if you were in raki's shoes that you could become the the equivalent of a midnight snack?;) This only means one thing, Raki's got the hots for Pris. BUT laughingly, Priscilla "continues" to eat humans.;)
OK on other news,,,,Miria. She's all alone now. Looks like Clare's the only one NOt scared of Rigald. Gotta wait for ep 22.
Looks like the episodes now ~20. Become equal addict for the anime viewers like the manga for us readers :).
Madhouse: Mission complete!!!
the Raki-Priscilla scene kinda ruined it. OK here's a head scratcher...you are Raki, u see Priscilla eating human entrails...Raki is human. Now Raki has the sword ready to kill her BUT got suckered in by her being naked ...and crying....while eating human entrails.:confused:
THEN Isley explains she's more than yoma...she's an Awakened Being...which is worse than yoma.
Now wouldn't it be normal that if you were in raki's shoes that you could become the the equivalent of a midnight snack?;) This only means one thing, Raki's got the hots for Pris. BUT laughingly, Priscilla "continues" to eat humans.;)
OK on other news,,,,Miria. She's all alone now. Looks like Clare's the only one NOt scared of Rigald. Gotta wait for ep 22.
Well, at least Raki not offered some Katchup to her. :p
Don't forget, he has GUTS, too. Is better to play the Devil's advocate for now and keep himself alive.
As for Miria, she - and everyone else there - is definitely in big s**t. Even if she come with some miracle to kill Simba, she still has 24 A.O.s to take care AND Isley and Priscilla.
Is in situations like that being a hero definitely SUCKS!
Well, at least Raki not offered some Katchup to her. :p
Don't forget, he has GUTS, too. Is better to play the Devil's advocate for now and keep himself alive.
As for Miria, she - and everyone else there - is definitely in big s***t. Even if she come with some miracle to kill Simba, she still has 24 A.O.s to take care AND Isley and Priscilla.
Is in situations like that being a hero definitely SUCKS!
Well, who knows some Portugal menu called "trippas"? It's mainly made of animal (cow or pig ,i think) guts. And i must say, its delicious with potatoes around it... Mmmm...
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