Nanoha - StrikerS - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

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[Chaos2Frozen]

Okay, I'll be back 4 hours later when the summaries start rolling in, but what I really want to know is,

"What could they have done to piss Lutecia off that badly?"

:heh:

[krisslanza]

We shall find out Chaos :heh:
And I haven't thrown a brick at you in a while... :uhoh: *Eyes bag of bricks*

[Aaron008R]

Okay, I'll be back 4 hours later when the summaries start rolling in, but what I really want to know is,

"What could they have done to piss Lutecia off that badly?"

:heh:

Hmm... Maybe Erio's Rider-Spear defeated Kamen Rider Garyuu's Rider Kick, resulting in the latter's demise? Garyuu seems to be even below Arf in terms of power.:heh:

[krisslanza]

Garyuu seems to be stronger then Arf, but I think he's meant to not be engaged in prolong combat. He's meant to dispatch his enemy quickly... That or Erio has just been becoming stronger very, very quickly which is also a possibility.

[Kha]

Rider's tank got destroyed in colateral?

[Tormenk]

Pissed-off Lutecia means we might get to see her great white summon, Pegasus....

I meant Hakutenou of course :heh:

[Keroko]

Pissed-off Lutecia means we might get to see her great white summon, Pegasus....

I meant Hakutenou of course :heh:

...Which hopefully will turn out to be a great white horse. :p

[Nightengale]

Garyuu seems to be stronger then Arf, but I think he's meant to not be engaged in prolong combat. He's meant to dispatch his enemy quickly... That or Erio has just been becoming stronger very, very quickly which is also a possibility.

I'm not sure, Garyuu seems to be around A-rankish in just combat ability... And if we're using similar parallels, Arf's seems slightly stronger overall since she was on par if only slightly weaker than Zafira, but Garyuu would have speed advantage while Arf benefits from being an all-rounder that can actually cast magic.

Regardless, Erio vs Garyuu has NO drama whatsoever so there's no reason to drag it long, so I'm putting my money on Garyuu getting owned and Lutecia pissed off, starting a "Godzilla-class" summon battle.

[Aaron008R]

How about Lutecia taking off her contacts and petrifying the two Lightnings?:p

[Kha]

How about Voltaire pulling out Exca--

*Barrier of the Wind King >>>> Kha*

[FlareKnight]

Yeah let's face it after all the previous Garyuu encounters we can have him finishjed off quickly. Godzilla summon battle with Caro and Lutecia would be pretty good. Might even free up Erio to help out Teana since somebody has to do that.

[aers]

Two hours until the Cradle's in position..what happened to the third hour :(

Also Quattro can go rot in her own personal hell >_>

[Gearhead]

Two hours until the Cradle's in position..what happened to the third hour :(

Also Quattro can go rot in her own personal hell >_>

Quattro has been cruisin for a bruisin for a while now, anything else she does just sweetens the deal when she finally gets stomped.

[aers]

...sigh. That's all I really feel like saying.

[Nightengale]

...sigh. That's all I really feel like saying.

Depressing? Or uneventful?

[aers]

Stuff happened, I guess I just hoped there'd be a bit less talking and flashbacks.

[Kha]

Is that at the quality of the episode? Or something else?

*continues to lurk for screen caps*

[Gearhead]

*continues to lurk for screen caps*

I still haven't been able to figure out where the main threads for Nanoha turn up on futaba when it airs. And just browsing the board at random is a recipe for unpleasant mental images. :uhoh:

But someone seems to have a knack for finding them.

[Jimmy C]

Two hours until the Cradle's in position..what happened to the third hour

The time check at the end of ep21 was 2 hours and 16 minutes until the Cradle reaches optimum position. Which meant the events in the episode happened in a span of about 44 minutes.

[aers]

Eh guess I missed that one, heh. All the screencaps on 2ch are from the preview for 23, and I didn't take any caps this episode, so unless someone manages to find the 2chan thread, wont have anything til the raw's up.

Except this one!

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9068/91108dw4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2272/niji10549me3.jpg

Couple more

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7913/u21405ol4.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1604/u21404fd8.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4175/niji10547nx9.jpg

[Kha]

Eh guess I missed that one, heh. All the screencaps on 2ch are from the preview for 23, and I didn't take any caps this episode, so unless someone manages to find the 2chan thread, wont have anything til the raw's up.

Except this one!

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9068/91108dw4.jpgWhy does Shamal have the wrong hair color? Or is this someone else? :twitch:

[aers]

Why does Shamal have the wrong hair color? Or is this someone else? :twitch:

Remember the person Vice shot?

[Nightengale]

Why does Shamal have the wrong hair color? Or is this someone else? :twitch:

That girl Vice shot.

Edit : aers is so l33t my time-space was dilated by one minute.

[Kha]

Egad! That's the last person I expected to appear! :twitch: NEED MORE CAPS!!!

[Gearhead]

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4175/niji10547nx9.jpg

...What in blue blazes?

[Aaron008R]

Eh guess I missed that one, heh. All the screencaps on 2ch are from the preview for 23, and I didn't take any caps this episode, so unless someone manages to find the 2chan thread, wont have anything til the raw's up.

Except this one!

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/9068/91108dw4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2272/niji10549me3.jpg


She's alive after getting headshotted?!?!:twitch::twitch:
But as I can see, her left eye is blind.:(

Couple more

[QUOTE]http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7913/u21405ol4.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1604/u21404fd8.jpg

She got snagged!:upset:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4175/niji10547nx9.jpg

Re-REVORUBA DORIRU?!?!:eek::twitch::eek::twitch:

[johnjefferson3]

yes, this is that girl, all these years later, she is going to cheeer Vice , so that he can recover back to normal, so that he can save probley save Tenna and the others, this definelty looks like Vice is getting back in the action for sure now!!!!!!

[serenade_beta]

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4175/niji10547nx9.jpg

Her hand............................. :twitch::twitch:

[princesa_Ameria]

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[aers]

She got snagged!:upset:


Fighting under heavy AMF conditions sucks, you know.

[Gearhead]

She's alive after getting headshotted?!?!:twitch::twitch:
But as I can see, her left eye is blind.:(


Magic damage, not physical energy, I guess. Probably only blinded her because it was high intensity and struck her directly.

[aers]

Magic damage, not physical energy, I guess. Probably only blinded her because it was high intensity and struck her directly.

Actually, refresh my post and check that section again. :P

[Julius Firefocht]

Oh no, Fate seems to be captured.

Well, all the better to cleave apart the lab from the inside, I guess.

[Nightengale]

Fighting under heavy AMF conditions sucks, you know.

So, was it hinted how thick the AMF is in this episode inside the lab?

[Gearhead]

Actually, refresh my post and check that section again. :P

What about it? I see a flat, slightly blank eye traditionally drawn in a fashion as to indicate the person can't see out of it.

[aers]

So, was it hinted how thick the AMF is in this episode inside the lab?

Yeah. Fate's under AMF conditions.

[Gearhead]

Her hand............................. :twitch::twitch:

I'm starting to wonder if Jail didn't try to 'improve' her a little before he took her out of the jar again...

[KBTKaiser]

Re-REVORUBA DORIRU?!?!:eek::twitch::eek::twitch:

How about Dividing/Gatling Driver? :D:D:D

[Aaron008R]

Magic damage, not physical energy, I guess. Probably only blinded her because it was high intensity and struck her directly.

Ah... Ok. That sounds reasonable. Maybe he was tasked to disable.:heh:

How about Dividing/Gatling Driver? :D:D:D

Why not?:D


By the way, o those who've watched, how're the others fairing?

[aers]

By the way, o those who've watched, how're the others fairing?


No Tiana whatsoever. Fate captured (by Scaglietti, those are _his_ red lines grabbing her). Vita was shown walking away from a pile of mashed drones, Nanoha uses strike flame to fly through a bunch of other drones. Subaru and Ginga fight, with Subaru taking some hard punches. Caro and Elio talk to Lutecia, Quattro realizes there's danger in Lutecia turning and takes control of her.

[Gearhead]

Ah... Ok. That sounds reasonable. Maybe he was tasked to disable.:heh:

Most police forces are going to use lethal force only as a last resort. And considering the recent reveal that it's actually easier for a mage to create a spell that deals out subdual damage than it is something that fries with physical energy (Remember the Mana Conversion Affinity bit?) it makes SENSE.

[Nightengale]

Hohoho, Zafira's finally getting some substantial talk time, and is hopefully going to show why he's the Shielding Guardian Beast. Vice too is implied, but unless there's they're going to be healed properly, I can't see them actually making it there in good time, while still being remotely helpful.

Zafira's pretty badly injured but he can move though it does look like he's only good for being a meatbag in his condition, and looks like Vice needs a clutch if he wants to walk, and one arm is in cast.

[Aaron008R]

No Tiana whatsoever. Fate captured (by Scaglietti, those are _his_ red lines grabbing her). Vita was shown walking away from a pile of mashed drones, Nanoha uses strike flame to fly through a bunch of other drones. Subaru and Ginga fight, with Subaru taking some hard punches. Caro and Elio talk to Lutecia, Quattro realizes there's danger in Lutecia turning and takes control of her.

Thanks.:D

So Scaglietti has some unique abilities of his own...
The Stars seems to be holding out...
And Quattro could actully mind contol Lutecia!:twitch:

[Gearhead]

Zafira's pretty badly injured but he can move though it does look like he's only good for being a meatbag in his condition, and looks like Vice needs a clutch if he wants to walk, and one arm is in cast.

One word:

Shamal.

[Thisguy]

What's more is that the one-eye loli (I heard she's "Ragna"?) could be Vice's sister... :heh:
She said "oniichan", though I'm not sure if it was literally or she just calls any senior guys "oniichan".

Additionally, she expressed that "Now we (Vice & her) might be able to talk normally again", so my bet goes to former.
Misshooting your own little sister in eye... well, I wouldn't want to imagine.

Oh, and it's pretty much proved that Storm Rider was his rifle.

[Kha]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7913/u21405ol4.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1604/u21404fd8.jpgUSO--! :eek:

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4175/niji10547nx9.jpgDendoh?! :twitch:

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http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/th_up164204.jpg (http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/up164204.jpg)
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/th_up164201.jpg (http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/up164201.jpg)
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/th_up164202.jpg (http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/up164202.jpg)U... Uso da! :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin:

No Tiana whatsoever. Fate captured (by Scaglietti, those are _his_ red lines grabbing her). Vita was shown walking away from a pile of mashed drones, Nanoha uses strike flame to fly through a bunch of other drones. Subaru and Ginga fight, with Subaru taking some hard punches. Caro and Elio talk to Lutecia, Quattro realizes there's danger in Lutecia turning and takes control of her.USODAAA! :eyespin: :eyespin: :eyespin:

Fate-chan---?! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Aaron008R]

Most police forces are going to use lethal force only as a last resort. And considering the recent reveal that it's actually easier for a mage to create a spell that deals out subdual damage than it is something that fries with physical energy (Remember the Mana Conversion Affinity bit?) it makes SENSE.

Noted. No disagreement from me.

Hohoho, Zafira's finally getting some substantial talk time, and is hopefully going to show why he's the Shielding Guardian Beast. Vice too is implied, but unless there's they're going to be healed properly, I can't see them actually making it there in good time, while still being remotely helpful.

Zafira's pretty badly injured but he can move though it does look like he's only good for being a meatbag in his condition, and looks like Vice needs a clutch if he wants to walk, and one arm is in cast.

I guess the males might make a comeback after all.:D
What's this I see? 'Pray' actually playing when the shafted ones come to the rescue?:D

[Kha]

I guess the males might make a comeback after all.:D
What's this I see? 'Pray' actually playing when the shafted ones come to the rescue?:DThus Sith Lord Chaos' words would've been heeded. :D

Re: Fate's capture - I remember I once said she's gonna get stuffed into a can... Praying hard that Seven Arcs/Ivory don't take me THAT seriously for once... :upset:

[Nightengale]

One word:

Shamal.

Well, Shamal's healing abilities doesn't look so l33t in StrikerS anymore...

Plus she's UP THERE.

[Aaron008R]

Thus Sith Lord Chaos' words would've been heeded. :D

For the first time, I really feel like thanking those spies (if there are).:D

Re: Fate's capture - I remember I once said she's gonna get stuffed into a can... Praying hard that Seven Arcs/Ivory don't take me THAT seriously for once... :upset:

Unless Acous comes to save her, I expect her to "Limit Break".:heh:

[Mirificus]

Fate captured (by Scaglietti, those are _his_ red lines grabbing her).
That reinforces why their plan of dispersing their forces was is terrible. They don't have overwhelming combat power at any point and they're starting to lose local engagements.

[Kha]

That reinforces why their plan of dispersing their forces was so terrible. They're starting to lose the local engagements.Reminds me of a certain character and his brush with a Metal Dust Bomb. :uhoh:

[Aaron008R]

That reinforces why their plan of dispersing their forces was is terrible. They don't have overwhelming combat power at any point and they're starting to lose local engagements.

As it may be really unfortunate from a tactical standpoint, I guess these are just employed for plot device saves. Tried and true, also never seems to get old.:heh:

Reminds me of a certain character and his brush with a Metal Dust Bomb. :uhoh:

That was in a different place, right?:uhoh:

[Nightengale]

Oh shit, Jail is a Nao. @_@

I'm willing to bet Due was reverse-engineered from himself, since he seems to love reverse-engineering so much.

[Mirificus]

As it may be really unfortunate from a tactical standpoint, I guess these are just employed for plot device saves. Tried and true, also never seems to get old.:heh:
The way they got into that situation is very cliched, lazy writing and makes the protagonists look incompetent, but with the hole the writers have put RF6 in, them having long drawn out combat engagements where they're having difficulty winning makes perfect sense.

[Aaron008R]

Oh shit, Jail is a Nao. @_@

I'm willing to bet Due was reverse-engineered from himself, since he seems to love reverse-engineering so much.

Any more details?

It's very cliched and lazy writing, but with the hole the writers have put RF6 in, them having long drawn out combats where they're having difficulty winning makes perfect sense.

The winning formula gets stale or is not really handled properly. <shrug>
I hope they at least make the planned plot-device comeback of the protagonists epic enough for some solace.:heh:

More character development for the shafted is a must!:frustrated:

'Pray' is really quite catchy and blood-pumping.:D

[aers]

That reinforces why their plan of dispersing their forces was is terrible. They don't have overwhelming combat power at any point and they're starting to lose local engagements.

And with that, I'll see you guys next week. :rolleyes:

[Aaron008R]

Anyway,:heh: from what we're shown, I can at least make an assumption of how the comebackers would play...

Vice - Crutch? Arm in a cast? Since when did that stop anime characters from making a comeback?:D I expect him to maybe snipe a Number who's after Teana.

Zafira - Human form would be nice. He should at least show his worth in defense. The likely scenario where he can is rather numerous.

Acous - The esperinvestigator just disappeared!:eyebrow: WHat happened with all those hints of him being around the Aces' level during the manga?

Chrono - The fleet seems to be too slow.:rolleyes: I hope they at least show him fighting in the field.

[Nightengale]

Any more details?

He wears it in his right hand. It's an IS circle...I think, red in color, and it seems to have anti-magic or magic breaking properties, since Jail's clinch pretty much shattered Fate's Zamber. Jail's powers seem to be summoning red strings, that can be manipulated accordingly.

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/4468/00wrw1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

As for this episode...

Vice called Zafira 'danna'!?

Expectedly, awesome bitch Quattro shows why she's so dirty and awesome. Activating Lutecia's fail-safe after toying with her, playing the mind game with Deici, she actually looks more evil than Doctor. I mean, at least the Doctor is shameless and talks more smoothly when it comes to this kind of things. :heh:

Lutecia's befriending meter just shot up 89%. Though I must say, damn you Seven Arcs. I can't stress how much I hate the "mind-controlled", "body doesn't respond to thoughts", etc plot device, especially when you JUST know they're going to get a good end out of it..

LOL, it actually felt like Garyuu was befriending material. You know... maybe they should've made him a familiar... voiceless doesn't really show anything but silent devotion...

Jail = entertainment. He never ceases to crack me up. In fact, I'd almost say that angry!Fate is somewhat annoying, seeing how she just snaps before Jail's mind games. It's rational, but I suppose I wish she could be a little more...professional.

Agito becoming Signum's = 89%. Zest is pretty much writing his own will now, and it's all about how Signum is a good knight, a true Belka knight blah blah blah for Agito's sake. Though it does look like Zest's time is almost up... he can't even use Agito's flames anymore in Unison... he was almost breathless against Vita for most parts, but a single cartridge had him breathing heavily already now. Though that wind-looking shot of his... It's exactly what Isdera uses, though not as powerful. :D

Zest/Agito ~ :D :D :D :D :D

Nanoha knows Vivio has no mama.

Looks like Stars may turn the tides next episode.

[Aaron008R]

He wears it in his right hand. It's an IS circle...I think, red in color, and it seems to have anti-magic or magic breaking properties, since Jail's clinch pretty much shattered Fate's Zamber. Jail's powers seem to be summoning red strings, that can be manipulated accordingly.

Shattered Zamber just like that?! 0_0
Reminds me of somebody using golden strings from the OC thread.:D

Expectedly, awesome bitch Quattro shows why she's so dirty and awesome. Activating Lutecia's fail-safe after toying with her, playing the mind game with Deici, she actually looks more evil than Doctor. I mean, at least the Doctor is shameless when it comes to this kind of things. :heh:

Well, the more hard-to-deal-with villains, the better.:D

Lutecia's befriending meter just shot up 89%. Though I must say, damn you Seven Arcs. I can't stress how much I hate the "mind-controlled", "body doesn't respond to thoughts", etc plot device, especially when you JUST know they're going to get a good end out of it..

Tried and true formula getting overused.:uhoh:

LOL, it actually felt like Garyuu was befriending material. You know... maybe they should've made him a familiar... voiceless doesn't really show anything but silent devotion...

Yeah.:heh: At least you get 'Kyukuru!' from Fried.:heh:

Jail = entertainment. He never ceases to crack me up. In fact, I'd almost say that angry!Fate is somewhat annoying, seeing how she just snaps before Jail's mind games. It's rational, but I suppose I wish she could be a little more...professional.

That's our resident crackpot mad scientist for ya!:D

Agito becoming Signum's = 89%. Zest is pretty much writing his own will now, and it's all about how Signum is a good knight, a true Belka knight blah blah blah for Agito's sake. Though it does look like Zest's time is almost up... he can't even use Agito's flames anymore in Unison... he was almost breathless against Vita for most parts, but a single cartridge had him breathing heavily already now. Though that wind-looking shot of his... It's exactly what Isdera uses, though not as powerful. :D

I knew I had to wait for this before continuing with RevivalS!:D Looks like we have another Unison device on our hands!:D:D:D It's a good thing I was prepared! Well, Isdera is Signum's rival, deshou?:D

Nanoha knows Vivio has no mama.

Then why the memory of a mama?:confused:

Looks like Stars may turn the tides next episode.

Good.:D

[Flar]

So the road is clear now?

Ep 23, more RF getting owned and flashbacks. Vice and Zafira get ready to go out, Lutecia gets spectarularily antagonized, more flashback and she proceeds to destroy the numbers. Quattro gets her head bitten off by a giant bug. situation stabilize.

Ep24, our heroes overcome their different predicaments. Fate releases her true power after having been transported to scags center of power. Vice gives a boost to Tea, who activates level 3 and flies. Nanoha and Vita sink the cradle, but too late. True end boss appears.

ep25 , heroes regroup, and their team obliterates the danger, by going past the safety limit. Possibility of Nanoha vaporizing El Hazard and getting injured/losing RH (or something like that). Vivio dies like the useless moeblob she is.

ep26. Aftermath. All is well, everyone is happy, and the people you thought died in the last assault are shown barely sporting superficial scars.

Not even hoping for some character development. The StrikerS director obviously think boring vague fanservice and flashbacks is character development.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Thus Sith Lord Chaos' words would've been heeded. :D

Hehhhh~ :p ?


Re: Fate's capture - I remember I once said she's gonna get stuffed into a can... Praying hard that Seven Arcs/Ivory don't take me THAT seriously for once... :upset:

On the brightside, this might answer Nightengale's question on how Fate could take longer than 3 hours...

If you remember what I mean ;)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yeah.:heh: At least you get 'Kyukuru!' from Fried.:heh:

Which could be copied and paste as many times as they want :heh:

Just need to change the tone and pitch :heh:



I knew I had to wait for this before continuing with RevivalS!:D Looks like we have another Unison device on our hands!:D:D:D It's a good thing I was prepared! Well, Isdera is Signum's rival, deshou?:D

Agito and Signum? I don't know... Feels kinda weird seeing how she could unison with Rein.

If it does happen, doesn't that make her way way more stronger than Vita?


Then why the memory of a mama?:confused:

Planted? Or maybe it's just instinct.

[Key Board]

Apparently Fate is fighting in an AMF saturated zone too

so I guess that answers certain questions asked last week

[Nightengale]

As for the mama thing, Vivio has a mama, but the real mama is long dead, since Schach did state that her origin is those of Ancient Belka times.

Apparently Fate is fighting in an AMF saturated zone too

so I guess that answers certain questions asked last week

Well, to me, I never doubted that place would have AMF. Drones are there in bundles, so naturally there would be a degree of AMF.

The main question was the concentration, and this episode showed that there's a decent degree of it at least, though I suppose we'll never know if one place's is more powerful than the other. Well, other than the Forwards at least.

[Thisguy]

Then why the memory of a mama?:confused:According to Schach, DNA examination revealed that Vivio is someone of around 300 years ago.
As she is such a old person, Nanoha was sure her "mama" in her memory (thanks to Project F) no longer exists by now.

[An Hero in Disguise]

Shattered Zamber just like that?! 0_0
Reminds me of somebody using golden strings from the OC thread.:D

Hahaha, I'm yet to watch the episode but it already sounds awesome :D (Stupid nico had to ask me to change password today :frustrated::frustrated:)

[Aaron008R]

Which could be copied and paste as many times as they want :heh:

Just need to change the tone and pitch :heh:

Just like a pokemon.:heh:

Agito and Signum? I don't know... Feels kinda weird seeing how she could unison with Rein.

If it does happen, doesn't that make her way way more stronger than Vita?


Not really complaining much. It'll make her and Fate's rivalry more even now.:D

According to Schach, DNA examination revealed that Vivio is someone of around 300 years ago.
As she is such a old person, Nanoha was sure her "mama" in her memory (thanks to Project F) no longer exists by now.

Ah... I see.
Eternal loli?:twitch:

Hahaha, I'm yet to watch the episode but it already sounds awesome :D (Stupid nico had to ask me to change password today :frustrated::frustrated:)

Almost exactly how Serge does it!:D Only this time, it seems more technological than magical.:uhoh:

[Nightengale]

According to Schach, DNA examination revealed that Vivio is someone of around 300 years ago.
As she is such a old person, Nanoha was sure her "mama" in her memory (thanks to Project F) no longer exists by now.

Btw, what was it with Nanoha talking about 'looking for someone who'll care for Vivio" and the "I'm a person of the skies" talk? That part somewhat eluded me... :eyebrow:

Ah... I see.
Eternal loli?:twitch:


No, it means that Vivio was based of someone of 300 years ago, as in Saint King. (( Now we have an idea of Ancient Belka timelines...somewhat. ))

Unless Vivio's mama is an immortal Saint Kaiserin or something, there's no way she's alive.

[krisslanza]

You know I don't think I ever saw the 21st RAW... :uhoh:
But 22 sounds kinda nice... Argh why isn't my Nanoha buddy on MSN so I can blab to him!? /cry

[princesa_Ameria]

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[Thisguy]

Btw, what was it with Nanoha talking about 'looking for someone who'll care for Vivio" and the "I'm a person of the skies" talk? That part somewhat eluded me... :eyebrow:"I'm a person of skies" and "I've fallen once, actually"...
Nanoha is basically saying that as she's a soldier, she may permanently leave Vivio forever anytime in her future missions, so she thinks she doesn't deserve to look after Vivio.
Typical comment from professionals who are putting their lives on stake, I say.

Well, that and Nanoha, knowing her own personality, wasn't sure she can be a good mama, apparently.

[Keroko]

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/ScreenShot013.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/ScreenShot014.jpg

:eek::eek::eek: Aether Thread?

[princesa_Ameria]

"]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=v5XqX0uhNdY

[Aaron008R]

:eek::eek::eek: Aether Thread?

I thought the same thing.:uhoh:

[FlareKnight]

Well looks like the guys may actually make a small comeback. Though I'm doubting we'd ever see Zafira in human form. Finally we get the finish of Vice saga with him probably saving Teana from her dangerous situation. Heck if they don't get pwned even Chrono might decide to come out and fight a bit. Unless they are brining that fleet out to see Carim :heh:.

Must be rough on Fate under the heavy AMF. But guess 2 or now 3 vs 1 plus AMF is the only way they can keep her from finishing things quickly with her limiters off. I'm sure she'll bust her way to victory, maybe deciding she's got to use sonic form :).

Yep the mind control card has been played. But guess after manipulating Ginga it's not as huge a shock. Now Erio+Caro will have to beat down Lutecia to finish that off. Might even see a number or two switching sides if the bit we saw here was any indication of doubters in the following.

[Estavali]

Agito and Signum? I don't know... Feels kinda weird seeing how she could unison with Rein.

If it does happen, doesn't that make her way way more stronger than Vita?

If leadership amongst the Knights was ranked according to power, then Signum, being the leader, and the "General" (Rekka no Sho "General of Flames"), should be the strongest in their team.

Signum & Agito, Rekka no Sho & Rekka no Ken Sei...

Regarding the AMF level in the hideout, I think it's possible for the Doc to adjust it to his needs/pleasure. Since his Numbers and he himself doesn't seem one bit bothered by it at all, and a very high level of AMF will help make Fate's capture much easier, it would only be sensible for him to make sure that the surroundings are to his advantage as well.

If it's not enough, just turn the knob/press the "Make it very thick!" button!

Regarding Zafira's role in the upcoming episodes (provided that Seven Arcs don't shaft him any more), I should say standing beside Vita should be worth a thought. Throughout A's, Zafira has been Vita's partner and is seen most frequently with her. It would be nice to see the Azure Wolf fighting beside his old comrade-in-arms again.

Not to mention that his Iron Yoke should be very useful for clearing out drone mobs.

It seems to me that, of the Numbers, Deici seems to be the most humane/compassionate of the lot. I'll need the subs to be sure, but she is apparently very uncomfortable with the Doc using a small child for his means, regardless the reasons.

Approval rating from me: :nod:

Add-on:

Something puzzles me. Subaru used the Relic Circle when she went berserk and STKJ-ized. Gin-nee, however, still used the Shooting Arts with her old Belkan Triangle. That should mean that the Shooting Arts is only compatitable with the Belkan system, right?

[Aaron008R]

"]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=v5XqX0uhNdY

Seems like the Cradle has lots of beam turrets after all.:D And the Air grunts are proving to be quite deserving of their name.:D Go! TSA Air Force! Show 'em what grunts can do!:D

Quattro mentions something about Sein, Cinque and Dieci being too nice(?)

The girl Vice shot is also acquaintances of Signum and Alto. She seems to be quite familiar with Vice.:)

[Thisguy]

The girl Vice shot is also acquaintances of Signum and Alto. She seems to be quite familiar with Vice.:)She's his little sister, Ragna(?) Granscenic.
I missed cast list at airing, but cast list proved it.

[Nightengale]

Regarding the AMF level in the hideout, I think it's possible for the Doc to adjust it to his needs/pleasure. Since his Numbers and he himself doesn't seem one bit bothered by it at all, and a very high level of AMF will help make Fate's capture much easier, it would only be sensible for him to make sure that the surroundings are to his advantage as well.

If it's not enough, just turn the knob/press the "Make it very thick!" button!

How are the Numbers and himself supposed to be affected by AMF? They're not using magic after all, just magic-like effects. At the very least, those strings he's using has an IS circle.

It seems to me that, of the Numbers, Deici seems to be the most humane/compassionate of the lot. I'll need the subs to be sure, but she is apparently very uncomfortable with the Doc using a small child for his means, regardless the reasons.

Approval rating from me: :nod:

From what Quattro said, Deici, Sein and Cinque are the same ~not fun~ types, according to her. Heck, Deici didn't even know of the Doctor's true motive until Quattro told her on the spot that the vengeance for the oppressed scientist bull he spouted was a bunch of lies. So, most likely only the top Numbers of I to IV, maybe V are really aware of everything. I doubt the younger ones are aware of things like Unlimited Desire and whatnot.

Something puzzles me. Subaru used the Relic Circle when she went berserk and STKJ-ized. Gin-nee, however, still used the Shooting Arts with her old Belkan Triangle. That should mean that the Shooting Arts is only compatitable with the Belkan system, right?

....

シューティングアーツ - Shooting Arts
Melee combat techniques focused on using magic-powered rollers. Used by Subaru.
The main feature of Shooting Arts is that the user can maintain their balance freely while on rollers, by controlling the advance, acceleration, and braking of the rollers. Therefore, this allows the entire body's force to be used in assaulting or offensive maneuvers.
The basics of Shooting Arts includes a combination with the Belka magic style, a style used by front-liners interested in weapons, body-enhancement, and direct combat.
TL note: So why the heck is it called Shooting Arts? Beats me. Sounds like it's mainly used to control the rollers and let them smash those knuckles into people. Hard.

They're ALWAYS using Shooting Arts.

[Aaron008R]

She's his little sister, Ragna(?) Granscenic.
I missed cast list at airing, but cast list proved it.

:twitch: I see. Now I get why Vice seems so traumatized by his miss-shot.:twitch:

And seeing as she's got an eyepatch, I wonder how he would react to seing Cinque.:D

[Mirificus]

Quattro mentions something about Sein, Cinque and Dieci being too nice(?)
If Quattro doesn't like them, then they're probably decent people. Maybe if we're lucky Dieci will shoot Quattro with her Giant Cannon and Cinque will help Fate out of her predicament.

[Estavali]

How are the Numbers and himself supposed to be affected by AMF? They're not using magic after all, just magic-like effects. At the very least, those strings he's using has an IS circle.

I know. What I meant was that since AMF doesn't affects them, the only ones suffering from "turning up the volume" of the hideout's AMF saturation, so as to speak, will be magi like Fate, Acous and Schach.

Of course, one can also say that the AMF saturation level there could already be at an abnormal level. However, in that case, Acous' Hounds wouldn't be able to "survive" in such an environment at all, much less penetrate it.

Thus, my suggestion is that the Doc might have upped the AMF level when Tre and Sette were engaging Fate. As said, this will only make things easier for them.

From what Quattro said, Deici, Sein and Cinque are the same ~not fun~ types, according to her. Heck, Deici didn't even know of the Doctor's true motive until Quattro told her on the spot that the vengeance for the oppressed scientist bull he spouted was a bunch of lies. So, most likely only the top Numbers of I to IV, maybe V are really aware of everything. I doubt the younger ones are aware of things like Unlimited Desire and whatnot.

Cinque... Hmm, well, she's fairly serious, so the "not fun" comment might be refering to this. Or she could have a gentle spot in her like Deici (again, I'll need subs and moon-speakers to be sure).

(That said, I think both of them might make rather appealing tsunderekos :D)

Now, Sein, hmmmm...... I should think she's the sort that doesn't like to make people angry (with her concerns about the High Council getting mad over their activities), so she pretty much a easy-going type that hates quarrels and such (who knows?).

Possibly she (and the other two mentioned) have a different idea of what's "fun" and what's not.

Then again, this could also mean that the other 8 Numbers may well share Quatro's twisted humour (well, Due and Uno seems to be the case, methinks)...

Which imho is a rather unpleasant thought.

[An Hero in Disguise]

Watched the episode at last:


1. Quattro can see Teana (and everybody else) on her displays - why the hell are the Numbers having trouble locating her at all? :rolleyes:

2. Ragna's(?) eye => magical damage =/= physical damage proved 100%?

3. Caro/Lulu fight - couldn't all those explosions at least knock Caro's hat off her head? :heh: And now Lutecia being befriended is a given.

4. Scaglietti controls Aether Threads :heh: Spies, they're everywhere :eyespin: Shall I rip off his blast attack in response? :rolleyes: It did no visible physical damage so it fits perfectly :D

5. Ginga's arm :eyespin: GInGA DRILL BREAKER!!!

6. Quite an interesting move by Nanoha in the end, did RH obtain a Strada-like booster there?

Overall a great episode with a bunch of interesting revelations, but I didn't like the animation/picture quality in several moments. Hope DVD will fix that.

[princesa_Ameria]

"]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KrP9ovP9w

[Nightengale]

If Quattro doesn't like them, then they're probably decent people. Maybe if we're lucky Dieci will shoot Quattro with her Giant Cannon and Cinque will help Fate out of her predicament.

They're not always on the same page having different personalities and all that, but the Numbers seem to value sisterhood above everything else, probably since that's the only real thing they have. I don't see any Numbers betraying unless Doctor/Quattro pulls the mind control fail-safe like what Quattro did with Lutecia or something.

[Aaron008R]

Watched the episode at last:


1. Quattro can see Teana (and everybody else) on her displays - why the hell are the Numbers having trouble locating her at all? :rolleyes:

2. Ragna's(?) eye => magical damage =/= physical damage proved 100%?

3. Caro/Lulu fight - couldn't all those explosions at least knock Caro's hat off her head? :heh: And now Lutecia being befriended is a given.

4. Scaglietti controls Aether Threads :heh: Spies, they're everywhere :eyespin: Shall I rip off his blast attack in response? :rolleyes: It did no visible physical damage so it fits perfectly :D

5. Ginga's arm :eyespin: GInGA DRILL BREAKER!!!

6. Quite an interesting move by Nanoha in the end, did RH obtain a Strada-like booster there?

Overall a great episode with a bunch of interesting revelations, but I didn't like the animation/picture quality in several moments. Hope DVD will fix that.


1. Because it's not fun if they know?:heh:
2. Maybe.
3. As a part of her BJ, maybe not.
4. More HAXX for AO?!:heh::uhoh:
5. Never saw that coming.:twitch:
6. Well, since Strada looks likr Exceed mode RH...


"]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KrP9ovP9w

1. Vice and Zafira share a little GAR conversation. The dog hobbles out (honestly, does anybody expect him to fight in such a state?). Vice addresses Zafira as DANNA!!!:twitch::twitch::twitch: And Storm Raider is a dogtag.

2. Quattro proves that she's one of the nastiest villainess ever.:uhoh:

3. Berserk Lutecia is scary.:uhoh:

4. Garyuu sprouts two tentacles with barbed ends. It's funny seeing Erio trying to befriend him.:heh: He doesn't even talk...:heh:

[Mirificus]

I've finished watching the episode.


1. Quattro could see pretty much everywhere from the Cradle without having to have any assets in place. That should give Jail's side nearly perfect intelligence and reconnaissance. I wonder how much of that is due to Quattro and how much of that is from the Cradle.

2. The TSAB doesn't seem to have any issues with using Vice to help in a hostage rescue situation where his sister is the hostage, even with something as delicate as sniping. They really shouldn't encourage its personnel to do that. Maybe they should have some policies in place given how hazardous it seems for TSAB family members :heh:. Vice's sister is surprisingly forgiving after being shot in the eye by her own brother.

3. Ginga's arm was pretty freaky. It looks like her hand has been entirely replaced by the Revolver Knuckle. She also has a nice right-hook.
6. Quite an interesting move by Nanoha in the end, did RH obtain a Strada-like booster there?
-Strada's booster could have been derived from an existing capability of RH's. It would be far safer to test something like that on a mage who is already flight-capable first than to have one who isn't falling out of the sky.

They're not always on the same page having different personalities and all that, but the Numbers seem to value sisterhood above everything else, probably since that's the only real thing they have. I don't see any Numbers betraying unless Doctor/Quattro pulls the mind control fail-safe like what Quattro did with Lutecia or something.
I just mentioned it because I thought it might be interesting to see. Even so, Quattro does seem to have a talent for making others hate her ;)

[An Hero in Disguise]

4. More HAXX for AO?!:heh::uhoh:


Looks like that :rolleyes: Expect Aether Breaker at the very least :heh::uhoh:

4. Garyuu sprouts two tentacles with barbed ends. It's funny seeing Erio trying to befriend him.:heh: He doesn't even talk...:heh:

Yeah, forgot to mention that :D Tentacles FTW (where are my Lutecia doujins?)

[blitz1/2]

Ragna = Kane? (you can't kill her with a bullet, too bad not an ion cannon)

Figures, Vice's love interest and sister = Mai Nakahara.

[Keroko]

3. Ginga's arm was pretty freaky. It looks like her hand has been entirely replaced by the Revolver Knuckle. She also has a nice right-hook.

Er... Ginga was a cyborg to begin with, technically she could always have done that. :heh:

[Estavali]

They're not always on the same page having different personalities and all that, but the Numbers seem to value sisterhood above everything else, probably since that's the only real thing they have. I don't see any Numbers betraying unless Doctor/Quattro pulls the mind control fail-safe like what Quattro did with Lutecia or something.

That is, if the Doc or one of the elder sisters (Quatro,perhaps) does something that totally shatters the unity of their sisterhood? Betrayed before they could betray?

*Vivid images of the Doc draining Cinque's life-force (huh?) for any possible reason, and in the most painful manner possible. Add in lots of blood (duh, does Sentoukijin even bleed?), horrendous screams (ah, now we're getting the feeling!), etc etc.

WTH?! And why Cinque?!

Deh, who cares why? Maybe she's just (in)conveniently there. This is anime, where everything can happen.*

... I really need to go and sleep. Lack of it makes me go high as if on crack.

Hmm, up to now, it would appear that only Sein and Deici has some doubts over the Doc's game (the former over the consequences, the latter over the child abuse). The rest seems quite content following his instructions, and since the Doc seemingly gives them a free rein (probably only restricting them not to leave the base unless necessary, or such), they might not have any reason to resent his leadership/fatherhood(?).

Btw, what did Deici say before leaving with her cannon? It seems to me that she was saying something like orders and missions are of top priority and something about her sisters.

[Mirificus]

Er... Ginga was a cyborg to begin with, technically she could always have done that. :heh:
I know that but I still found it unsettling.

[serenade_beta]

Btw, what did Deici say before leaving with her cannon? It seems to me that she was saying something like orders and missions are of top priority and something about her sisters.

Basically, she said that She'll follow the orders given to her, or her sisters will be troubled.

From the Youtube videos:

Quattro... Show to be much crueler in this episode, maybe moreso than Scaglietti. Talking about how the people are bugs and that no matter how many you kill, they'll just come back (reproducing). Then she controlled Lutecia. All with that happy-happy face of hers...

[princesa_Ameria]

"]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=QSvicRw4RKA

[blitz1/2]

Quattro = the New Agent Smith?

[Dream_Traveller]

"There's only me. Me, me....me."- Agent Quattro. :heh:

All in all, good episode. We finally get to see a darker side of Lutecia, Erio actually makes a stand against Garyuu, and things are looking bad for the Bureau. Stars Strike look intriguing, too.

On a side note though, more Numbers were missing from this episode, and, unless I missed something, Schach facing Sein wasn't shown at all. And where's Cinque? It can't take five, maybe six episodes to repair her, can it? Unless she's been given a damn good upgrade...

[princesa_Ameria]

"]http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=e3M0QYBphts

[Rava]

-Strada's booster could have been derived from an existing capability of RH's. It would be far safer to test something like that on a mage who is already flight-capable first than to have one who isn't falling out of the sky.


Nanoha used this move on Reinforce in As, so it's not even a case of testing... they already know it works.

[Gearhead]

Nanoha used this move on Reinforce in As, so it's not even a case of testing... they already know it works.

Strike Flame.

[Demon Eyes]

I got signed up on Nico just to see this...

They should've re-named this episode "Feito-san NOOOOOO!!"

I hope Dr.Doctor is not planning on doing the Ginga thing on Fate...Cause bricks will be thrown! Not that she is full of hard drives or anything!!!

[asaqe]

Yeah, despite our urges to see Fate in a glass jar. It just not worth having fate turned against everyone.

[princesa_Ameria]

I got signed up on Nico just to see this...

They should've re-named this episode "Feito-san NOOOOOO!!"

I hope Dr.Doctor is not planning on doing the Ginga thing on Fate...Cause bricks will be thrown! Not that she is full of hard drives or anything!!!

Waaaaaaaaa Fate vs Nanoha part II OxO!?
Ginga number vs Subaru
Fate Number vs Nanoha?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Actually, I think Jail is going to torture her...

...By retelling his long ass history, of all the hows and whys.

To an extend, he's torturing us as well.

[aroduc]

Cap dump
http://blog.seiha.org/?p=291

I was pretty underimpressed with the episode to be honest. The glaringly awful animation stood out a couple times, especially towards the end, and I have a hard time taking Fate's predicament seriously since last we saw, Scach was all of half a dozen meters under her. I'm not even convinced that even is Scaglietti either, what with a shapeshifting claw user still unaccounted for. How many people with claws can they have in one show?

I'm pretty sure I'd also have been a lot happier if Lulu was actually going to join the good guys more voluntarily and less because the Numbers decided to use her as a ragdoll. *shrug*

[Aaron008R]

Just watched the rest of the RAW.

1)If Fate's muttering about finishing things quickly due to AMF, shouldn't she have ignored Scaglietti and go on a rampage?:heh: Dr. Orange sure knows how to get under her skin.

2)Ginga's Revolver Drill really works well... 0_0

3)Zest's device CAN load cartridges after all. It's at the base.

4)Plus, his device seems to have a knack of cutting up other Armed Devices. He sliced Signum's scabbard like a sharp knife through a steak! 0_0

5)Agito/Zest moment.:D I didn't get the most part, but I think Zest is talking about how Agito would be better off with Signum as her Lord/Unison partner. As usual, Agito is extremely supportive dere-dere over Zest.:D

6)Nanoha's plowing through a gamut of Type-3's. Then she proceeds to reminisce about Vivio playing with Arf. She seems to want to leave Vivio in proper care because of the dangers of her job.

7) Strike Flame and the rest of the dodging could have been animated
better.:heh:

8) Time before arrival of the Cradle to destination area: 1 hour and 44 minutes.

9)Preview: It's time for the Stars to shine. And Nanoha seemed to to already be on the control room... Where's Dieci?

[lightl]

1 can look forward towards the DVD version atteast :rolleyes:
but pretty good episode despite the hicup in animation

[serenade_beta]

Is it just me, or does the episode's audio cut off momentarily during Quattro's talk with Lutecia?


As for episode: The whole befriending thing by the two kids is SO annoying. Not only does it work for some reason, they say "Lu-chan" and "Garyuu". What happened to honorifics, oi?!

Two more things:

It seems Ginga isn't mute after all. She talked...

Why did the producers and co. decide to place a two minute flashback on Vivio? Don't they realize that there are quite a number of people that blame Vivio for ruining the show? Or the fact that we already get the fact that Vivio and Nanoha get along? They need to show some Teana battling (though I assume they put the fight on "hiatus" so someone can save her) and Cinque and Due. Geez, they introduced Due, gave her a few minutes, and discarded her... She isn't even updated on the official website.

One more thing:

The preview's very energetic tone annoyed me too.

[FlareKnight]

Well at least with the scabbard cut up they have an excuse when Signum doesn't use Storm Falcon. Unless she's going to use recovery to fix it up. Was hoping more from those two fighting unless it isn't over yet. Since right now the OP had a better match between them :heh:

Those in charge better remember the fights are all they have left in this series so better make them work. Let's get the befriending over and move on to blasting everything.

[Key Board]

After watching this far I have to say this

I have the impression that StrikerS originally had 18~20 episodes worth of story, but was artificially stretched into 26 episodes. It shows.

I don't know if I have to blame the writter or director. But for me it almost merits a "punch someone over the internet button" to be invented

[Nightengale]

After watching this far I have to say this

I have the impression that StrikerS originally had 18~20 episodes worth of story, but was artificially stretched into 26 episodes. It shows.

I don't know if I have to blame the writter or director. But for me it almost merits a "punch someone over the internet button" to be invented

And some aspects of it aren't even done properly.

I mean, are we supposed to take Lightning-Lutecia seriously? It felt so...forced. They barely know each other. It was like like they realized with the amount of development they gave both parties and their interaction (( both are inadequate compared to Stars/Vivio )), conventional befriending would seem contrived, so they pulled an even more contrived plot-device.

At least Agito defecting should Zest loses would be believable to a degree. Signum barely knows him, but I suppose the "knight's promise/pride" thing can be pulled, and Zest can use the "I don't know you, I merely used you" talk to Agito to make Agito look innocent in their crimes, or something to that extent where Agito would respect his dying wishes.

~~~

On the topic of Vivio flashbacks, my biggest beef with her was how she's repetitively used as a device to reinforce what we already know. Nanoha/Fate are good friends? Yawn. We already know they're close enough to sleep together 10 episodes back.

Thus far, it doesn't even look like her origins will remotely matter one bit other than being used to fuel Nanoha-drama. That itself isn't bad, but it wasn't worth the time spent on her.

[Key Board]

team lightning's interaction with Lutecia is understandable if you remember that they are idealistic ten years old and it's a nanoha staple

Nanoha did it years ago to the wolkenritter with her persistent queries, so I can see it happening now.


Regarding Vivio. To me, it was obvious that she was the token shounen kidnapped heroine in the making, so it didn't bother me that much.

This could pass as a Bleach story arc, actually, with Cradle being Hueco Mundo/Soul Society, Numbers being Arrancars/Shinigami Captains and Vivio being Rukia/Orihime

And did I ever have much expectations of those type of characters other than being plot devices? Not at all.

I do hope that it all leads to some closure for Nanoha's character in the end, though.

[Fabien]

I have the impression that StrikerS originally had 18~20 episodes worth of story, but was artificially stretched into 26 episodes. It shows.

Hey guys, I've got an idea: seasons 1 and 2 were 13 episodes long each, so let's say season 3 is also 13 episodes long, and forget about the second half.

[Key Board]

No, I can see that it definitely would take more than 13 episode to effectively tell the story of StrikerS

but I see no reason why it had to force it to 26 episodes

weren't there some 20 episode anime in the past? what's wrong with non standard numbering?

[raidou]

They could have cut down those stretched training episodes :rolleyes: or the abundance of vivio's scenes.

Longer series ..more dvd more money (maybe):heh:

[Key Board]

A few intermission episodes could have been fused into one episode

[Chaos2Frozen]

Why did the producers and co. decide to place a two minute flashback on Vivio? Don't they realize that there are quite a number of people that blame Vivio for ruining the show? Or the fact that we already get the fact that Vivio and Nanoha get along?

Just making it easier to discard the whole yuri business next time :D

There's already a scapegoat to blame.

They could have cut down those stretched training episodes :rolleyes: or the abundance of vivio's scenes.

Longer series ..more dvd more money (maybe):heh:

And more focus on other characters....

[Kha]

Darco here:

Anyways I do agree with KeyBoard, Eps like 13-15 could indeed be able to cut down to at least 2 eps instead of 3. Also while it is fair to have few training Eps at the start of the series, I find those should never carried on after the half way mark.

Even this late in the series as Liingo pointed out to me after we watched this Ep it did not appears to move forward much at all in terms of development. Just hopefully that last few eps brings this to a satisfactory end.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Darco here:

Anyways I do agree with KeyBoard, Eps like 13-15 could indeed be able to cut down to at least 2 eps instead of 3. Also while it is fair to have few training Eps at the start of the series, I find those should never carried on after the half way mark.

I also want to add that after the first two or so training episodes, there rest of them are pointless.

They don't learn anything.


Even this late in the series as Liingo pointed out to me after we watched this Ep it did not appears to move forward much at all in terms of development. Just hopefully that last few eps brings this to a satisfactory end.

I had hoped the it would be Lightning's turn in terms of developments after the half mark...

That's why I put up with Stars.

[arkhangelsk]

No, I can see that it definitely would take more than 13 episode to effectively tell the story of StrikerS

but I see no reason why it had to force it to 26 episodes

weren't there some 20 episode anime in the past? what's wrong with non standard numbering?

I'm more of the opinion that StrikerS is a ~40 episode story stuck into 26 episodes. Somewhere about half way (probably after they drew a whole bunch of Vivio scenes thinking they'd still have a lot of time for everyone else), they realized this, so they really accelerated the thing, glossing over or flat deleting many side plot and details. Then around 19-20ish, they realized they are in trouble again because now they've cut too much and there's still 6 episodes to go. So now we have this stretched farce.

Overall, StrikerS gave me all the feelings of an ambitious project that turned out to be beyond their abilities. When they belatedly realized this, their clumsily attempts to correct it only made it worse.

[Estavali]

According to Nanoha tradition, they have only 3 episodes to end all this chaos nicely, since the last episode has always been the wrap-up/epilogue episode.

Let's see how they'll achieve this, without doing a Fukuda.

I'm more of the opinion that StrikerS is a ~40 episode story stuck into 26 episodes. Somewhere about half way (probably after they drew a whole bunch of Vivio scenes thinking they'd still have a lot of time for everyone else), they realized this, so they really accelerated the thing, glossing over or flat deleting many side plot and details. Then around 19-20ish, they realized they are in trouble again because now they've cut too much and there's still 6 episodes to go. So now we have this stretched farce.

Overall, StrikerS gave me all the feelings of an ambitious project that turned out to be beyond their abilities. When they belatedly realized this, their clumsily attempts to correct it only made it worse.

Agreed. Either they cut down on what to put in in the very first place, or they give themselves enough time to flesh out everything necessary. In short, 26 episodes with lesser material, or 40~50 episodes with everything well-developed. I should think that such a decision is much more desirable than stuffing too much stuff into 25~26 episodes.

[Adr 00]

According to Nanoha tradition, they have only 3 episodes to end all this chaos nicely, since the last episode has always been the wrap-up/epilogue episode.

Let's see how they'll achieve this, without doing a Fukuda.

Fukuda?

Bah strikers was nothing but hell ever since the 2nd half of the season begun

[Key Board]

team lightning... feels as if it belong in another story. In fact, in Caro's case, I have the impression that she was just created to give Lutecia a rival.

I see two distinctive elements about StrikerS that was probably not intended to go along with each other?

I have the impression that season 3 was supposed to introduce caro and erio, while the primary villains being Lutecia, Zest and agito

season 4 was supposed to be about Subaru, Ginga and Teana, while Scag and the numbers being the primary villains

somehow.. I think they merged the concepts together..

[Adr 00]

I had hoped the it would be Lightning's turn in terms of developments after the half mark...

That's why I put up with Stars.

But,then an idiot girl name vivio came by and ruined everything!:p

[Chaos2Frozen]

But,then an idiot girl name vivio came by and ruined everything!:p

Well, that's one way of putting it.

But I prefer the term 'evil' :p

[Estavali]

Fukuda?

Bah strikers was nothing but hell ever since the 2nd half of the season begun

I'm a bit more optimistic than you are :), and despite the slow pace and stuff, things are still quite okay for me. Letting complaints get in the way of enjoying what I can have is quite the sin, I say.

Things could have been better, I agree, but if I really can't stand it, I would have quit it like Hayate no Gotoku (which had gotten on my nerves) long ago instead of allowing it to continue torturing me.

Either I'm too big a fan to give up, or things haven't gotten to the point of no return to make me reconsider the risk I'm subjecting to my wallet by downloading the flsnow subs (you folks should know that farce happening lately in my lovely little Singapore).

Now, let's get back to the actual discussion :)...

Well, that's one way of putting it.

But I prefer the term 'evil' :p

I prefer "mis-used" or "not used to her full potential". Vivio could have been MORE than just moe stock.

[arkhangelsk]

Agreed. Either they cut down on what to put in in the very first place, or they give themselves enough time to flesh out everything necessary. In short, 26 episodes with lesser material, or 40~50 episodes with everything well-developed. I should think that such a decision is much more desirable than stuffing too much stuff into 25~26 episodes.

Actually, they could have the 40 episode material with the 26 episodes. As I've said before, the trick is to use many half episodes. Half episodes subtly force the show's pacing faster - half episodes can easily contain nearly as much content as a full one in most cases. In fact, you'd often be surprised that a half-episode took only 10 minutes instead of 20 because it feels like you've watched 20 minutes of stuff.

[Adr 00]

Well, that's one way of putting it.

But I prefer the term 'evil' :p

or like this:

But then a malicious, conniving,horrifying ,terrifying,monsterous scourge named vivio came and devoured the plot opportunity for team lightning's development

:heh::D:D:p:p:);)

[Nightengale]

I prefer "mis-used" or "not used to her full potential". Vivio could have been MORE than just moe stock.

She could still be more, but at this point, it'll only be a one-spur drama stock.

She could be more meaningful had they really tried to explore the lines of the Doctor's recreation of life ethics alongside the background history of the Saint Church, and all, but at this point, it really feels... out there.

It's like the Star Wars movies trying to link itself to the Expanded Universe when it's really just about Luke and Vader.

As for the pacing, I'll say that they REALLY took their sweet time with the 'happy time' episodes in the first half, especially when half character bonding scenes were there just for the sake of being there, and it's not like they had a lot of development.

I mean, when the last 3 'non-battle' episodes dedicated a bulk of it to talking history of Sentoukijin, Seioh, and stuff in a badly directed manner, it shows.

[Estavali]

Actually, they could have the 40 episode material with the 26 episodes. As I've said before, the trick is to use many half episodes. Half episodes subtly force the show's pacing faster - half episodes can easily contain nearly as much content as a full one in most cases. In fact, you'd often be surprised that a half-episode took only 10 minutes instead of 20 because it feels like you've watched 20 minutes of stuff.

Hmm, the key would then be plot management and pacing, selection of which story elements to include and expand on, and perhaps most importantly, what to exclude (cut the crap, so as to say)?

She could still be more, but at this point, it'll only be a one-spur drama stock.

She could be more meaningful had they really tried to explore the lines of the Doctor's recreation of life ethics alongside the background history of the Saint Church, and all, but at this point, it really feels... out there.

It's like the Star Wars movies trying to link itself to the Expanded Universe when it's really just about Luke and Vader, which was what it did.

So StrikerS from midway is pretty much a Nanoha and Vivio thing then? :D

[Chaos2Frozen]

Now, let's get back to the actual discussion :)...

What to say :heh: ?

How badly is Subaru getting her rear handed to her :p ?


I prefer "mis-used" or "not used to her full potential". Vivio could have been MORE than just moe stock.

Of course of course... :uhoh:

...But she's still evil.



:heh::D:D:p:p:);)

:heh: Ahhh... Ermm... Well... :heh:

[Nightengale]

Hmm, the key would then be plot management and pacing, selection of which story elements to include and expand on, and perhaps most importantly, what to exclude (cut the crap, so as to say)?

Well, if you ask me, there was a lot of 'seemingly important reinforcement of already shown stuff.'

The Hayate/Auris talk about Regius's skeletons. Really, all it needed was a several minutes implication in a Regius/Auris scene or something, but look at how much time was dedicated to it. Especially after the brains said it AGAIN that Regius was an important pawn to them. From his scene with the Council, Zest and himself being angry, we already know Regius was shady and he was only a pawn. Did we need Hayate to ACTUALLY go over his history? And it's not like Hayate got any character development we didn't know already of her in that situation.

The Nanoha-Fate fanservice. I don't mind fanservice, but couldn't they had made it Nanoha-Fate-Hayate fanservice instead and randomly throw in different pairs of 2 like Nanoha-Hayate and Fate-Hayate depending on the situation? We've known LONG since A's how the NF dynamics work, couldn't they try to at least introduce a fresher dimension to it in a more substansial manner? Otherwise, NFanservice only repeated the same old fanservice over and over.

Vice's step-by-step character development, in my opinion... had little meaning. It's so...standalone, it's relevance to the other characters, much less the plot didn't deserve the time it was spent on. It's not like he was a major character, even.

At times, it really felt like they introduced element A in one part, spent few minutes on element A development for another, a few minutes to repeat the same thing for element A in another, and close it abruptly, when it could just be done in 2 parts.

[Estavali]

What to say :heh: ?

How badly is Subaru getting her rear handed to her :p ?

She seems to be taking the worst damage of the team, I think, both emotionally and physically. The pain from Ginga's punches are not something to put off, but I think what hurts her most was that Ginga doesn't seem to be coming to her senses at all. And with the gap between their skill level and killing intent, Subaru is nowhere coming close to waking her up.

Of course of course... :uhoh:

...But she's still evil.

I dare say, if anyone would to throw a challenge "How would you develop Vivio from the very moment E&C found her?" to the talented folks in the OC and fanfic thread, the responses should be very fruitful and interesting.

Of course, should that happen, it'll only make Seven Arcs look even worse :D.

[Chaos2Frozen]

She seems to be taking the worst damage of the team, I think, both emotionally and physically. The pain from Ginga's punches are not something to put off, but I think what hurts her most was that Ginga doesn't seem to be coming to her senses at all. And with the gap between their skill level and killing intent, Subaru is nowhere coming close to waking her up.

Now that they revealed that she's part machine, they could afford to have her soak up some beating.

And Though expected, I still don't like Subaru holding back (you KNOW she is).


I dare say, if anyone would to throw a challenge "How would you develop Vivio from the very moment E&C found her?" to the talented folks in the OC and fanfic thread, the responses should be very fruitful and interesting.

Of course, should that happen, it'll only make Seven Arcs look even worse :D.

And I was wondering when somebody was going to say that :D

What... Do you THINK the rules should be... IF, there was such a thing?

[arkhangelsk]

Hmm, the key would then be plot management and pacing, selection of which story elements to include and expand on, and perhaps most importantly, what to exclude (cut the crap, so as to say)?

Actually, the nice thing about the 10-minute half episode is that you don't have to think much about cutting the plot points. All you do is speed up the pacing. Instead of cutting out a 3 minute Vivio scene as un-necessary, you simply speed it up (for example, let Vivio struggle for only 5 seconds instead of 10 before Fate goes to pick her up, a little less talk before Fate moves in ... etc) so it is over in 90 seconds. And it'd still look perfectly natural to the viewer. Most scenes longer than say 30 seconds or so can be subtly done using this method, and the only tough decisions are for those that are originally<30 secs.

When the viewer reaches the commercial break after ten minutes, he's going to subconsciously review what he had learnt by counting up the different scenes. And it'd feel like he's been through a 20-minute episode until he looks at the clock. Something has been cut obviously but it'd is hard to say what extra stuff could have been covered if the Episode was 20 minutes long. He'd be very satisfied with the parts that he liked because the important parts were covered, while the annoying parts (Vivio) become less annoying because it is shorter chronologically. Everyone wins, just like JPEG compression in the time axis.

[Dark Wing]

Well, that's one way of putting it.

But I prefer the term 'evil' :p

Oh come on it's not her fault the writers couldn't find away to write around her. :upset: She had a lot of possibilities and I think she still dose after all the series isn't over yet...:(

[Chaos2Frozen]

Oh come on it's not her fault the writers couldn't find away to write around her. :upset:

Now now, lets not play that card. After all, there's a certain other character that I've been defending for a long time because the writers didn't use him properly... ;)

Now it's 'That group''s turn to go down :D


She had a lot of possibilities and I think she still dose after all the series isn't over yet...:(

That's the problem isn't it? Suddenly it's all about her. There's been too much about her.

Well she had her chance!

[Dark Wing]

Now now, lets not play that card. After all, there's a certain other character that I've been defending for a long time because the writers didn't use him properly... ;)

Now it's 'That group''s turn to go down :D



That's the problem isn't it? Suddenly it's all about her. There's been too much about her.

Well she had her chance!

Soooo cold... Man Chaos your breaking my heart here. :upset:

I still don't care what everyone else says.

I'm whole heartedly in love with Vivi-chan and won't set back excepting the death wishes people have forced on her! :frustrated:

Even if she does die (and she WON'T) I will keep her memory alive as long as humanly possible! I will not let her name be written off as just some "moe stock" or "plot device" because I know there is more to her then that! :frustrated:

[arkhangelsk]

I'd believe the "there's more than that' part when I see it.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Soooo cold... Man Chaos your breaking my heart here. :upset:

Wait, I know I've heard that line somewhere before... :heh:


I still don't care what everyone else says.

I'm whole heartedly in love with Vivi-chan and won't set back excepting the death wishes people have forced on her! :frustrated:

Even if she does die (and she WON'T) I will keep her memory alive as long as humanly possible! I will not let her name be written off as just some "moe stock" or "plot device" because I know there is more to her then that! :frustrated:

Your love is blinding you!!! Mei-yo-sama-sa!

(I think that's how it's spelled :heh:)

[Tormenk]

Lightning team's attempt to befriend Lulu was even more forced than before.
Did Erio think Garyuu was going to response or stop if he called Garyuu's name.. -_-
Fried touching down like a giant parrot didn't help things much either :heh:
Guess the befriending won't end until Lulu brings out Hakutenou and the Lightnings beat her down..hopefully

Zest certainly is something, for his attack to neutralize Hiryuu Issen and yet again break another device, or rather part of it.

Zest's path to Regius is clear and I'm seeing another draggy flashback if that happens -_-

But perhaps he might meet Due there and that's something to expect.

Fate's capture does lead to the setup for something..Pray anyone? :p

[Kha]

I dare say, if anyone would to throw a challenge "How would you develop Vivio from the very moment E&C found her?" to the talented folks in the OC and fanfic thread, the responses should be very fruitful and interesting.

Of course, should that happen, it'll only make Seven Arcs look even worse :D.*Estavali is confronted with the mad denizens of OC all ablaze with dark fire and wearing evil Shari-grins*

Zombious Echo: Is this a challenge? :D:D:D:D

Of course! We've made all the events "behind the curtain" (;) @ Tk) far more epic than the foreground. They should pay us for rescuing the series! :D

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Yeah, despite our urges to see Fate in a glass jar. It just not worth having fate turned against everyone.

We might not all be surprised if this is the shocking scene that will trigger "Pray"...just a hunch.

[Key Board]

Pray will occur when:

Zafira kamikazes himself into Otto
Vice snipes Lutecia, at the cost of his own life
Subaru breaks Ginga
Zest dies and relinquishes ownership of Agito to Signum
Voltaire and Hakutenou accidentally crush the barrier in which Teana and the Numbers are within, thus killing everyone inside
Fate and Nanoha achieve limit break
Hayate goes berserk after learning that two of the knights died

.........................


maybe

[Kha]

Pray will occur when:

Zafira kamikazes himself into Otto
Vice snipes Lutecia, at the cost of his own life
Subaru breaks Ginga
Zest dies and relinquishes ownership of Agito to Signum
Voltaire and Hakutenou accidentally crush the barrier in which Teana and the Numbers are within, thus killing everyone inside
Fate and Nanoha achieve limit break
Hayate goes berserk after learning that two of the knights died

.........................


maybeI'd go :nod: :nod: :nod: if Tomino was the director. In fact, I don't think we'll have any of our complaints if Tomino was the director. But alas...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Pray will occur when:

Zafira kamikazes himself into Otto
Vice snipes Lutecia, at the cost of his own life
Subaru breaks Ginga
Zest dies and relinquishes ownership of Agito to Signum
Voltaire and Hakutenou accidentally crush the barrier in which Teana and the Numbers are within, thus killing everyone inside
Fate and Nanoha achieve limit break
Hayate goes berserk after learning that two of the knights died

.........................


maybe

Spare Lutecia and I'll go along with the rest :)

(Though Signum as Agito's Meister... Just seems weird to me :heh:)

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

more of a chance that Pray will be played when Chrono and his ships arrive "on time" as they say...:heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

more of a chance that Pray will be played when Chrono and his ships arrive "on time" as they say...:heh:

I don't know... It feels more like a "Up close and personal" kind of fighting scene :heh:

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Finally got to watch the whole RAW version of this episode. Alot of things happened, but Teana's fight was on hold for the next episode.:(


-Quattro, she seems like she'll be the last Number to be standing and going on with an evil laugh. Seriously though, she was more evil than Scaglietti himself, in this episode. Dieci on the other hand, seems like she's having second thoughts about this whole thing. I wonder if we might start getting some of this from the other numbers in the next episode or so.
-Lutecia almost got befriended! But the "Pokeball" wasn't too strong enough and Quattro had to spoil the moment. Fail safe device installed inside of Lutecia in case this happens?! What a surprise, but the thought of Caro not knowing Lutecia's name by now seems a bit...weird and out of place. and Erio expecting Garyuu to obey just like Fried. That won't do it unless Lutecia says so.:heh: So I'm guessing its on to plan B of the befriending scheme and thats to just make Caro blast something huge at Lutecia to snap her out of it. Voltaire summon maybe?
-Subaru vs. Ginga...Subaru is getting owned and Ginga speaks! but her arm...what the hell did Scaglietti do to her arm! It looks...weird now with the drill!!
-Fate got CAPTURED! and the way how she reacted when she saw Scaglietti was a bit immature...even the younger Fate wouldn't snap that easily when the enemy finally shows itself face to face. But Scaglietti having his own device. I guess even the seemingly "weak" scientist is suppose to have some kind of defense mechanism. Plus those red things pinning Fate down seems to have AMF around it...Zamber form was crushed when Scaglietti curved his hand into a fist. Fate is captured, don't tell me that Scaglietti will make her evil...
-Zest vs. Signum...he is strong, breaking Signum's sheath just like that...plus surprisingly, his device loads cartridges. While on their way to a clear path directly to Regius, Zest was telling Agito about being Signum's Unison device than himself. Agito refuses and well...thats about it:heh:. But I have a feeling that Zest won't survive after this battle is over and well Agito will most likely be with Sigum at the end.
-Nanoha and her trip to the Throne. Flashback of Vivio playing with Arf. That was kinda pointless as we already know that Nanoha doesn't want Vivio to stay with her as her mother because of what she does for a living. Although what did Schach say about Vivio and her mother and about belka?
-Preview shows and hints that the Stars team will push the tide of the battle towards the winning side. But thats about it...:heh:


Well, not bad of an episode, animation really has been toned down, I guess the final episode for this fight, we might expect better quality by then?
some missing people from this fight:
Acous, where is he unless he's with Scach
Scach, same situation as Acous
Chrono still taking time to reach there
Teana's battle got reserved for the upcoming episode.
Cinque, where is she??

8/10

EDIT:

-Vice shot his own sister!?...I too would retire from sniping if I did the same mistake as him...Heck, I would still retire if I accidentally shot any innocent bystander in the line of fire.
But seeing his sister again and knowing that she's alright and forgives him for what he's done, looks like his spirit has lit up again to fight. Zafira talks after a LONG TIME!0_0...but where is he going off to and in those bandages also??

I don't know... It feels more like a "Up close and personal" kind of fighting scene :heh:

Then its a Fate vs. Nanoha battle part II if Scaglietti decides to brainwash Fate also.

[Fabien]

and knowing that she's alright and forgives him for what he's done

Where was she during all that time?

[Keroko]

Where was she during all that time?

Hospitalized for a while, and it wouldn't surprise me if Vice has been avoiding her ever since it happened either.

[Nightengale]

I presume that Vice either left her at a relative's place, or left home upon that ordeal to avoid her sister.

[Estavali]

*Estavali is confronted with the mad denizens of OC all ablaze with dark fire and wearing evil Shari-grins*

Zombious Echo: Is this a challenge? :D:D:D:D

Of course! We've made all the events "behind the curtain" (;) @ Tk) far more epic than the foreground. They should pay us for rescuing the series! :D

Do I hear the call to war?

If so, allow me to iron out the idea (rules needed? Or just let it flow, Battle Royale style?) and I'll send the invitation within 24 hours :D.

Pray will occur when:

Zafira kamikazes himself into Otto
Vice snipes Lutecia, at the cost of his own life
Subaru breaks Ginga
Zest dies and relinquishes ownership of Agito to Signum
Voltaire and Hakutenou accidentally crush the barrier in which Teana and the Numbers are within, thus killing everyone inside
Fate and Nanoha achieve limit break
Hayate goes berserk after learning that two of the knights died

.........................


maybe

The above situations need a requiem similar to Fields of Hope (by Tanaka Rie). Pray seems too upbeat for them :heh:.

Zest, Agito and Signum... Ah, the hints are just too obvious. Only thing left is to see how Agito will join Signum without making the whole thing look too forced.

The Death Flag appears to be flying high over Zafira, wounded and all. But then again, this is MSLN and surprises of all sorts then to fly at our faces.

Vice and Lutecia dying together is a near impossibility. Not because of any 1337ness from Vice, but rather because Seven Arcs values its lolis than its men. If Vice's dying, he'll be doing it alone, I fear :heh:.

Voltaire and Hakutenou crashing into the barrier is very possible, or better crashing onto Otto, the sub-commander of the Numbers team, killing him and producing almost the effect that the Forwards will suffer from a dead Tia onto the Numbers team, especially his twin Deed imho.

But then again it's equally possible that the giants will only crash the barrier and everyone within will pop out dusty but miraculously unhurt.

Fate and Nanoha achieving limit break. Heck, which shounen show doesn't do that? The only question now is how they'll suffer from the sub-effects.

Hayate goes berserk after learning that any of her knights died is highly possible. SS-class spell of world destroying effects from Rein I's darkest memories coming up if this happens. If she wasn't so badly shafted, I would also like to add, "Let the world despair."

Though imho cold and controlled rage is much more interesting to see, and more terrifying. Imagine Hayate torturing any of Scaglietti's associates unfortunate to fall into her hands (that's what I'll let her do if I'm writing ;)).

Subaru breaking Ginga... Not that I want to see this, but unless they are really pushing the befriending button a bit too much, methinks Gin-nee will only regain herself with a broken body and a broken sis' heart. This will in turn create a true Terminator Subaru that will eagerly seek and destroy any Number available (strangely, Otto comes to mind again).

Though since Gin-nee is a STKJ, unless the damage is lethal (the chances of this is rather high too, I admit), she would live. Since Seven Arcs likes to pander to fans, Gin-nee's popularity should be enough to protect her from the Grim Reaper.

And as our friends have pointed out previously, MSLN has yet to see causalities in the main and more prominent supporting cast. If the men can survive, surely Gin-nee will too!

[Kha]

Do I hear the call to war?

If so, allow me to iron out the idea (rules needed? Or just let it flow, Battle Royale style?) and I'll send the invitation within 24 hours :D."It's gonna be a wild night..." - King Yuunonidas, Lyrical 300.

OK NO PROBLEM!

*carts idea off to OC thread where the relevant parties can see*

[Nightengale]

Do I hear the call to war?

If so, allow me to iron out the idea (rules needed? Or just let it flow, Battle Royale style?) and I'll send the invitation within 24 hours :D.

Well, in my opinion, without rules is kind of a cheat. After all, the idea was to work within limitations of even the directors themselves when they employed TV animation as their medium along with how they were going to integrate Vivio into the whole mess.


The above situations need a requiem similar to Fields of Hope (by Tanaka Rie). Pray seems too upbeat for them :heh:.

Zest, Agito and Signum... Ah, the hints are just too obvious. Only thing left is to see how Agito will join Signum without making the whole thing look too forced.!

Though StrikerS could've benefited better from more Signum/Knights/Zest interaction so that better chemistry could be formed and so that they know each other better rather than just Zest - a good Lord/Meister candidate for Agito to make the transition better, I think it's quite easily implementable, especially if it was done as a dying wish kind of situation. Plus, with both of them being knights, there could be a semblance of shared pride and all that. Besides, I'm not totally convinced yet that Zest wants to kill Regius. Depending on the situation and character development for Zest, things can turn out decently well. Not the best it could be, considering Zest met Signum and Vita...like once each, but it's more believable than Lutecia-Lightning before StrikerS pulled the ever so convenient mind-control crap. Urgh.

The ambigious villains as in Lutecia/Zest really suffered from having little dynamic with their supposingly respective rivals, especially when we know close to nothing about them.

[FlareKnight]

Yeah Scags and the numbers better beware. The crippled males are making their way to the battlefield :heh:. But really if Zafira can speak whole sentences that's a change in the series in general so we'll see how that turns out. Certainly a surprise to have Vice shoot his sister and understandably not being able to shoot at Lutecia and quitting that line of work for flying the chopper.

Yeah things just aren't looking good for Zest pretty much making plans on giving Agito to a flame using knight. Curious how things will turn out on that saga. Certainly have to get a resolution to the Zest/Agito situation and why on earth he is after Regius. Though with mind control and the rest it might not even be all that big a reason.

Certainly the Stars group have had a really rough time so far. Vita's got a hole in her chest, Teana's leg is bloodied up, Subaru getting owned by Ginga, and....Nanoha does have a scratch on her face so that's something I guess :heh:. Cutting loose and turn things around will be interesting to see.

[arkhangelsk]

Watching the thing now:

Cradle got some nice turbolaser batteries. However, it seems that they are firing in random directions rather than having a real purpose.

With the wonderful arguments that Caro is using, I'm shocked it got to the point Quattro had to use mind control! Lutecia's after her sodding mother (among the top five most important people to most) and you try and feed her sh*t about not hurting people that aren't worth dick in her life? Then some empty promises of help if only they'd basically surrender? Help me...

Seven Arcs should have reviewed the old episodes. Yes, Nanoha likes to talk, but she also likes to win. She realizes winning is the fastest way to gain a dominant position from which negotiations can take place. These kids don't get it ... at all.

Everyone thinks Quattro is a b*tch, and I agree she should be first of the Numbers to be annihilated. Looking at it from another POV, however, her personal beliefs notwithstanding she's doing an effective job as political officer for her commander. She made sure that any troops that waver at this most critical of moments stay in line. I may hate her guts, but good job there, Quattro!

[Fabien]

With the wonderful arguments that Caro is using

Don't forget that Caro and Lutecia are both little kids. More than Nanoha ever was.

[Nightengale]

Don't forget that Caro and Lutecia are both little kids. More than Nanoha ever was.

Putting Lutecia's "I'll be all alone" complex which honestly, being shaken by a few words was quite...lol considering how she talked on Agito and Zest eventually leaving her along with Lutecia barely knowing Caro to even trust her empty promises which quite frankly, IS EMPTY, Caro is a military officer. I don't care if she's 10, she's wearing a uniform for a reason.

Let's not forget that they're facing the possibility of that world being destroyed in less than 2 hours. Not killing is one thing, but being half-assed in neutralizing the threat was no excuse. Magic damage exist for a reason. Under heavy time-constraints and Lutecia being only one part of the threat, it should've been dealt with quickly and effectively. Did Caro do so? I'd say no for most parts. At least Erio looked serious in fighting Garyuu earlier before he tried to reason with him too.

[Keroko]

Cradle got some nice turbolaser batteries. However, it seems that they are firing in random directions rather than having a real purpose.

They're firing at the mages, which are, well, all around them. :heh:

With the wonderful arguments that Caro is using, I'm shocked it got to the point Quattro had to use mind control! Lutecia's after her sodding mother (among the top five most important people to most) and you try and feed her sh*t about not hurting people that aren't worth dick in her life? Then some empty promises of help if only they'd basically surrender? Help me...

Seven Arcs should have reviewed the old episodes. Yes, Nanoha likes to talk, but she also likes to win. She realizes winning is the fastest way to gain a dominant position from which negotiations can take place. These kids don't get it ... at all.

Actually, Caro gave me horrible Nanoha vibes in this episodes. Nanoha did the same with both Fate and Vita.

Everyone thinks Quattro is a b*tch, and I agree she should be first of the Numbers to be annihilated. Looking at it from another POV, however, her personal beliefs notwithstanding she's doing an effective job as political officer for her commander. She made sure that any troops that waver at this most critical of moments stay in line. I may hate her guts, but good job there, Quattro!

She's a bad guy, and she's damn good at it too. :D

[arkhangelsk]

They're firing at the mages, which are, well, all around them. :heh:

Surely a more coordinated defensive response is possible. As far as I can see, they are on local control not hitting anything too often. At least have a few guns fire a coordinated barrage to bring down some guys.Actually, Caro gave me horrible Nanoha vibes in this episodes. Nanoha did the same with both Fate and Vita.

That's the problem. The setup is similar, but not identical. In not grasping the delicate difference, 7Arcs botched the job. Just to make one example, Nanoha realizes by late Nanoha's, and certainly by Nanoha A's, that she has to win to have a serious chance of getting an audience.

She's a bad guy, and she's damn good at it too. :D

We don't have quality (certainly not "bright") heroines. But at least we have quality villains :D

[Estavali]

Actually, Caro gave me horrible Nanoha vibes in this episodes. Nanoha did the same with both Fate and Vita.

I think Nanoha initially tried befriending Fate the usual mahou-shoujo way, refraining from violence and using love, concern and a maiden's innocence to reach to her. Not with beamspams and the "I win!" button.

Ever since her final showdown with Fate however, she appears to be firmly convinced of the latter method's effectiveness. Vita is the first victim after Fate to be Nanoha's guinea pig for this new and improved concept.

Coming back to topic, Carol hasn't truly mastered the Nanoha-school of befriending. She doesn't really attacks much, and is, on the whole, mainly defensive.

The Way of Nanoha, however, demands that you beat the crap out of the target while saying, "Please stop this and let's talk!" :D

She's a bad guy, and she's damn good at it too. :D

She is, I think, also the most interesting character so far besides Scaglietti himself.

[serenade_beta]

Useless thought, but I realized that Quattro took off part of her gloves in the preview... Makes me wonder if they even feel like wearing normal clothes. They can't go shopping wearing the Numbers suit, can they. Or do they ask Due...

Ah Scaglietti, how nice of him. He doesn't kill needlessly, he simply converts them to research material. I assume that's how he collected so many people (whom he describes as worthless and useless).

[Fabien]

it should've been dealt with quickly and effectively. Did Caro do so? I'd say no for most parts.

Caro learnt her military tactics from Hayate...

[Chaos2Frozen]

Caro learnt her military tactics from Hayate...

Caro learnt nothing, all I remember Fate teaching them is evasion skills.

[Nightengale]

Caro learnt nothing, all I remember Fate teaching them is evasion skills.

Hayate's not directly involved with rookie training, and despite Fate being officially Lightning's supervisor, her investigation job doesn't allow her much time to really teach them many things.

So, technically, Nanoha's the one who had the most ~teaching going on for the Forwards.

Now I see why Nanoha thinks she might not be a good mother. She can't even teach her most simple lesson of 'shoot VERY VERY HARD first, ask dumb questions later or while shooting' properly. I mean, even after MONTHS and MONTHS of DAILY, grueling training... :heh:

Teana's not even trying to ask questions, and her shots seem lethally physical for most parts, so I suppose she's the best out of the lot in terms of being a true, blue military officer in her situation.

[Mirificus]

Caro learnt her military tactics from Hayate...
That's such a cruel remark... :heh:

Now I see why Nanoha thinks she might not be a good mother. She can't even teach her most simple lesson of 'shoot VERY VERY HARD first, ask dumb questions later or while shooting' properly. I mean, even after MONTHS and MONTHS of DAILY, grueling training... :heh:
Nanoha seems to still have the same difficulty she's always had conveying messages to people without hurting them first.

Teana's not even trying to ask questions, and her shots seem lethally physical for most parts, so I suppose she's the best out of the lot in terms of being a true, blue military officer in her situation.
She's also the only one who acted appropriately after Lutecia shot Caro and Erio into a wall. Right after that, Subaru left herself completely open when she asked Lutecia to put down the relic case even though Lutecia had already clearly demonstrated that she was an imminent threat.

[hound297]

Yeah. Fate's under AMF conditions.

erm.. since she is fighting under AMF condition, why cant she use the scytle? It is physical attack right?

[arkhangelsk]

erm.. since she is fighting under AMF condition, why cant she use the scytle? It is physical attack right?

The scythe is a magically formed blade. In any case, the Zanber probably has more power overall.

[Nightengale]

It's not like AMF dispels magic altogether with 100% effectiveness. It's not that perfect. If it was, screw Numbers and Cradle, Drones are more than enough to conquer Mid-childa.

It just means that magic fusion and such gets broken easier inside AMF, just like how increase in temperature allows evaporation to the air faster, and thus, a need for a more concentrated output of magic is vital.

I think the analogy to thinner air thing works well with AMF. It doesn't necessarily make them weaker per-say, but it consumes a lot more out of them than normal due to need to put in extra umph! than normal, and thus overall makes them less effective as a whole. Fate clearly stresses than prolonging the battle under AMF was bad, probably since the more tired she gets, the harder it is to maintain the potent magical fusion that won't get dispelled by AMF.

[Fabien]

That's such a cruel remark... :heh:

Indeed. And you seem to be the first one to get it. Maybe I should have added a smiley?

[Teana]'s also the only one who acted appropriately after Lutecia shot Caro and Erio into a wall.

Well, Teana did say she was different from the others. But it might be that she's the only one to use her brain. :p

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well, Teana did say she was different from the others. But it might be that she's the only one to use her brain. :p

Hehhhh~

But even she has her periods of stupidity as well... ;)

[Fabien]

[Teana] But even she has her periods of stupidity as well... (>.0)

Yep, but she did overcome it. The others didn't.

(And anyway, if you are to do something stupid, it's always better to do it during training than in real battle.)

[Chaos2Frozen]

Yep, but she did overcome it. The others didn't.

(And anyway, if you are to do something stupid, it's always better to do it in training than in real battle.)

Subaru and Caro... Yeah, I see what you mean.

Where did Erio go wrong then?

[Mirificus]

Where did Erio go wrong then?
Following Caro's lead in episode 22 wasn't the wisest course of action.

[arkhangelsk]

To be fair, since he's riding on the dragon with Caro, his other choice is to drop off and let Caro fly off alone. In which case Garyuu will make mincemeat of Caro.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Following Caro's lead in episode 22 wasn't the wisest course of action.

Well it was working till you-know-who interrupted.

[Nightengale]

Well it was working till you-know-who interrupted.

To even think that it would work is stupidity itself.

I can accept it if it's a regular skirmish with little loss possibilities and all that, but seriously, they need to think of the situation they're in.

While they're wasting time, Teana's under heavy fire, Subaru's getting her ass kicked, Ground grunts are getting royally owned left and right, and Mid-childa is under a gigantic timebomb named Cradle.

This isn't Jewel Seed or some no-name Non-Managed World suffering threat of destruction. We're talking a central part of TSAB, arguably the Capital World of Interdimensional Worlds suffering the threat of being obliterated in less than 2 hours.

[Chaos2Frozen]

To even think that it would work is stupidity itself.

I can accept it if it's a regular skirmish with little loss possibilities and all that, but seriously, they need to think of the situation they're in.

While they're wasting time, Teana's under heavy fire, Subaru's getting her ass kicked, Ground grunts are getting royally owned left and right, and Mid-childa is under a gigantic timebomb named Cradle.

This isn't Jewel Seed or some no-name Non-Managed World suffering threat of destruction. We're talking a central part of TSAB, arguably the Capital World of Interdimensional Worlds suffering the threat of being obliterated in less than 2 hours.


Ah, I just said it was working, I didn't say whether it was the best course of action.

Your points all seem show that it's not the most Efficient way to do things in the situation, rather than it downright won't work. Cause if I didn't read the summaries wrongly, Lutecia was being swayed (slightly).

[Kha]

Well, Teana did say she was different from the others. But it might be that she's the only one to use her brain. :pShe also is the weakest... Even the OC thread, the land of h4xx growth, is hard-pressed to buff her up...

[Chaos2Frozen]

She also is the weakest... Even the OC thread, the land of h4xx growth, is hard-pressed to buff her up...

But compared to Lightning, she still had more chance to show off more spells.

Though instead of buffing up her offensive, one could focus more on her support spells, seeing as they're usually the ones that steal the show.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

well before the battle comes to a close, we should atleast know if Scaglietti does have Relic#11 and who is that person inside the tube in Scaglietti's lab. This could be another side-plot that could be easily tossed to the side due to the Cradle/Vivio.
Seems that Lutecia has become someone to watch out in the battlefield, since she has brain control and doesn't want to hurt anyone. (hence the tears she was shedding when Quattro took over her.)


-Now, this point I don't get...why would Lutecia suddenly start crying when Quattro started to control her mind...during the course of the whole season, she didn't get much or any "befriending" words from either Caro or Erio. Unless Lutecia doesn't like Violence much, other than that, I guess Caro's and ERio's words finally reached her in this episode and well, she just wanted to be friends.:heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

-Now, this point I don't get...why would Lutecia suddenly start crying when Quattro started to control her mind...during the course of the whole season, she didn't get much or any "befriending" words from either Caro or Erio. Unless Lutecia doesn't like Violence much, other than that, I guess Caro's and ERio's words finally reached her in this episode and well, she just wanted to be friends.:heh:

Or just blame it on Vivio! It's easier :)


(Yes, I'm still at it :D)

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Or just blame it on Vivio! It's easier :)


(Yes, I'm still at it :D)

hahaha its pretty obvious that everyone, at this point, hates Vivio because she's the reason why most of the sub-plots are being shafted and creating room just for the final battle and the whole saving Vivio mission.:heh:

Its too bad, Lutecia had more development than Vivio just to get her sub-plot overshadowed by a little unknown girl who can control a giant ship.

oh wells....

[Chaos2Frozen]

hahaha its pretty obvious that everyone, at this point, hates Vivio because she's the reason why most of the sub-plots are being shafted and creating room just for the final battle and the whole saving Vivio mission.:heh:

Exactly why people shouldn't cater to Yuri :D

(Yes, I'm still at it :D)


Its too bad, Lutecia had more development than Vivio just to get her sub-plot overshadowed by a little unknown girl who can control a giant ship.

oh wells....

It's up to Fanfic writers to pick up the slack! :heh:

Edit: But I won't say she has more developments though :heh:

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Exactly why people shouldn't cater to Yuri :D

(Yes, I'm still at it :D)

Vivio being added to spike up the NanohaXFate vibes in StrikerS...was it a good choice or bad?...hhmmm



It's up to Fanfic writers to pick up the slack! :heh:

Edit: But I won't say she has more developments though :heh:

hmm, yea Vivio got more development than Lutecia, but if Vivio didn't happen, then I would see Lutecia getting more development.
Looking at some of the previous posts in this thread, some people are already sighting the faults in StrikerS and how it should have been directed in a different way...mainly Vivio seems to be the blame for StrikerS to end up like this.
As for me though, I can't really judge anything yet until its all over.

back to the topic, what other sub-plots are being left untold before StrikerS hit episode 26?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Vivio being added to spike up the NanohaXFate vibes in StrikerS...was it a good choice or bad?...hhmmm

Lets just say the OC thread is a good example of success without a 'certain' element :p


hmm, yea Vivio got more development than Lutecia, but if Vivio didn't happen, then I would see Lutecia getting more development.
Looking at some of the previous posts in this thread, some people are already sighting the faults in StrikerS and how it should have been directed in a different way...mainly Vivio seems to be the blame for StrikerS to end up like this.
As for me though, I can't really judge anything yet until its all over.

The main reason why I wanted more Lutecia is because more Lutecia = more Lightning developments.

There's already enough Stars to fill the night skies...


back to the topic, what other sub-plots are being left untold before StrikerS hit episode 26?

All of them were crushed badly....

Oh wait, what the hell are the relics exactly?

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Lets just say the OC thread is a good example of success without a 'certain' element :p

The main reason why I wanted more Lutecia is because more Lutecia = more Lightning developments.

There's already enough Stars to fill the night skies...


never thought of that...that is true though, the Stars team had enough development, but the Lightning team seemed to just stay at the sidelines when it came down to fighting in the previous episodes thus not making Erio or Caro have any defeated moments or emo moments from being badly defeated or having something taken away from them. Lutecia seemed like the only person to spike up their development, but instead gets pushed to the side because of Numbers and Vivio.


All of them were crushed badly....

Oh wait, what the hell are the relics exactly?

well lets just hope theres enough room to reveal who is that person in the test tube that looks like Lutecia and why does she need relic#11 and if Scaglietti even has it.

EDIT: I feel there is going to be a break up between Agito and Zest...:(, to me, they were a very unique couple.
what does "Dana" mean again? I swear I heard Vice call out Zafira in that name before he walked out the door.

[Nightengale]

back to the topic, what other sub-plots are being left untold before StrikerS hit episode 26?
IMPORTANT
What in blue hell are Relics/Relic Weapon!?
Jail Scaglietti backstory
Zest/Lutecia backstory
The final piece of the prophecy
Cradle/Vivio




Negligible, but doing so is lazy storytelling

Numbers backstory
The actual truth behind Quint's death
Vice

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

I'm guessing the final piece to the prophecy is the "wings" part yea?

[Adr 00]

never thought of that...that is true though, the Stars team had enough development, but the Lightning team seemed to just stay at the sidelines when it came down to fighting in the previous episodes thus not making Erio or Caro have any defeated moments or emo moments from being badly defeated or having something taken away from them. Lutecia seemed like the only person to spike up their development, but instead gets pushed to the side because of Numbers and Vivio.



well lets just hope theres enough room to reveal who is that person in the test tube that looks like Lutecia and why does she need relic#11 and if Scaglietti even has it.


we would'nt be worrying about it now if not for vivio.

ps.i hope there will be a makeup season for strikers.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

another season after strikers...may be possible, but it depends on how the ending goes, whether they leave it open ended or not.

[Chaos2Frozen]

never thought of that...that is true though, the Stars team had enough development, but the Lightning team seemed to just stay at the sidelines when it came down to fighting in the previous episodes thus not making Erio or Caro have any defeated moments or emo moments from being badly defeated or having something taken away from them. Lutecia seemed like the only person to spike up their development, but instead gets pushed to the side because of Numbers and Vivio.

Lutecia was a GREAT chance to develop them... With or without the triangle :p (But lets face it, we all want to see it happen...) I don't know what was going through their minds when they went,

"Ahhh F**k it..."

...Oh wait! Maybe I do!


~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~, ~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,~,



"I don't care as long as there's Nanoha/Fate scenes!"



The extra people are just taking my two favorite character's outta the series and only keeping them for a little bit...they dont even talk to each other only for like one second then off they go

those new characters are annoying its all about them what about Fate and Nanoha who are more like the side characters??

Sorry people but thats just what I think its getting me angry......well whatever doesnt matter anymore I dont think im watching this anymore.



The studio got a bad reaction after that scene, who surf 2chan and 4chan will know that the boards almost exploded, but as we said before in many boards, this is the kind of series where the studio takes feedback and can write or modify the plot according to it (bad thing, remember what happened in GSD when Sunrise changed the protagonist?), and if they do a mistake they will try to amend it. So this kind of scene between our two main characters was expected, but it was CRIMINAL, there is no other word to describe such a sudden declaration.


The good thing about the studio taking feedback is that we surely will get more fanservice (is it fanservice if involves plot?), maybe we even can get more "happy family ^^" fanservice in the next episode since they got a good reaction of the scenes in this one. Quotes like this are frequent in almost every board, I saved many of them from 4chan as the people were watching the raws:


*Whistling whistling....*

[Nightengale]

another season after strikers...may be possible, but it depends on how the ending goes, whether they leave it open ended or not.

It's hard to say, but many elements do point to another season being highly probable.

Firstly, sad to say, StrikerS was not epic. There is little dynamic and drama in any mage-rivalry/conflict whatsoever. Not to mention rather than introducing similar dynamics, they went for the downplayed route, where the Aces are weakened through AMF and massive numbers rather than being played on the par game.

In my opinion, a true completion to Nanoha would never hold back anything, but it's clear from StrikerS they're holding back a lot of things. I mean, if it weren't for AMF and stuff like that, is there any SINGLE one in the antagonist on par with the Aces? Even S+ Zest suffered from the weakening/incompability thing, that downplayed his true abilities.

Not to mention there's a sheer lack of genuine drama going on. Aside from Vivio, Ginga and Mid-childa under a timebomb, was there ANYTHING else worth caring about? There was little emotional investment for both parties, and the diversity behind it, was honestly, horrible. In terms of befriending drama, Agito and Zest are probably the best developed of the cast from a solitary standpoint, and that tells you HOW horrible the development is.

StrikerS is a good show. I won't deny that. But many aspects of it, honestly, are very very underwhelming.

[Adr 00]

It's hard to say, but many elements do point to another season being highly probable.

Firstly, sad to say, StrikerS was not epic. There is little dynamic and drama in any mage-rivalry/conflict whatsoever. Not to mention rather than introducing similar dynamics, they went for the downplayed route, where the Aces are weakened through AMF and massive numbers rather than being played on the par game.

In my opinion, a true completion to Nanoha would never hold back anything, but it's clear from StrikerS they're holding back a lot of things. I mean, if it weren't for AMF and stuff like that, is there any SINGLE one in the antagonist on par with the Aces? Even S+ Zest suffered from the weakening/incompability thing, that downplayed his true abilities.

Not to mention there's a sheer lack of genuine drama going on. Aside from Vivio, Ginga and Mid-childa under a timebomb, was there ANYTHING else worth caring about? There was little emotional investment for both parties, and the diversity behind it, was honestly, horrible. In terms of befriending drama, Agito and Zest are probably the best developed of the cast from a solitary standpoint, and that tells you HOW horrible the development is.


THAT,my friend is one of the best rants about how crappy strikers is.:D

Seriously what ON EARTH GOT INTO THE WRITER'S MINDS?

[Chaos2Frozen]

THAT,my friend is one of the best rants about how crappy strikers is.:D

He already said it's not 'crap' ... :heh:



Seriously what ON EARTH GOT INTO THE WRITER'S MINDS?

Refer to my previous post :D


The words "You were saying...?" never felt so good rolling out of my tongue... :p

[Adr 00]

He already said it's not 'crap' ... :heh:




Refer to my previous post :D


The words "You were saying...?" never felt so good rolling out of my tongue... :p

erm wrong wording then.


Could anyone tell me what the heck happened at 2chan and 4 chan exactly?

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

It's hard to say, but many elements do point to another season being highly probable.

Firstly, sad to say, StrikerS was not epic. There is little dynamic and drama in any mage-rivalry/conflict whatsoever. Not to mention rather than introducing similar dynamics, they went for the downplayed route, where the Aces are weakened through AMF and massive numbers rather than being played on the par game.

In my opinion, a true completion to Nanoha would never hold back anything, but it's clear from StrikerS they're holding back a lot of things. I mean, if it weren't for AMF and stuff like that, is there any SINGLE one in the antagonist on par with the Aces? Even S+ Zest suffered from the weakening/incompability thing, that downplayed his true abilities.

Not to mention there's a sheer lack of genuine drama going on. Aside from Vivio, Ginga and Mid-childa under a timebomb, was there ANYTHING else worth caring about? There was little emotional investment for both parties, and the diversity behind it, was honestly, horrible. In terms of befriending drama, Agito and Zest are probably the best developed of the cast from a solitary standpoint, and that tells you HOW horrible the development is.

StrikerS is a good show. I won't deny that. But many aspects of it, honestly, are very very underwhelming.

yea I see what you mean, and I guess creating another season of Nanoha just to make up for StrikerS would be a good idea. And I guess it would be a good suggestion to keep it to a minimum 13 episodes...26 was an exciting change, but we were expecting it be very epic and maybe have 2 story arcs since 26 is doubled from 13 ( a little math there...:heh:).
Not to mention, Chaos did point out that in some people's posts, they dropped the show because of less Fate and Nanoha interaction and more of the Forwards and stuff. Really shocking stuff to hear and I guess the Studio took that consideration and well, thats how we ended up with Vivio.

[Adr 00]

yea I see what you mean, and I guess creating another season of Nanoha just to make up for StrikerS would be a good idea. And I guess it would be a good suggestion to keep it to a minimum 13 episodes...26 was an exciting change, but we were expecting it be very epic and maybe have 2 story arcs since 26 is doubled from 13 ( a little math there...:heh:).
Not to mention, Chaos did point out that in some people's posts, they dropped the show because of less Fate and Nanoha interaction and more of the Forwards and stuff. Really shocking stuff to hear and I guess the Studio took that consideration and well, thats how we ended up with Vivio.

I....see.we may have been a little harsh on the studio.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Could anyone tell me what the heck happened at 2chan and 4 chan exactly?

Picture A Nursery on a bad day...

...There ya go :D

yea I see what you mean, and I guess creating another season of Nanoha just to make up for StrikerS would be a good idea. And I guess it would be a good suggestion to keep it to a minimum 13 episodes...26 was an exciting change, but we were expecting it be very epic and maybe have 2 story arcs since 26 is doubled from 13 ( a little math there...:heh:).

I don't mind giving them another chance for 26 episodes...

Hell, if there's still people out there willing to give Odex another chance (Oharuhi-sama knows how :rolleyes:), I'm sure we could afford to give them a shot at redemption.


Not to mention, Chaos did point out that in some people's posts, they dropped the show because of less Fate and Nanoha interaction and more of the Forwards and stuff. Really shocking stuff to hear and I guess the Studio took that consideration and well, thats how we ended up with Vivio.

"You... Were... Saying... :eyebrow:?"


God that felt so good... :D!

[Tormenk]

With so many subplots/back stories left to cover with the endgame nearing, it's simply looming disaster, coupled with how the second half of the season has been, it's hard to see the show turning around now, if ever possible. Would a good or maybe even a half decent ending be enough to salvage whats left of StrikerS? I think not.

Apparently the number of posts here at animesuki related to how the show is going isn't enough to warrant attention, if the writers or anyone related to the production bothers to so such things as viewer opinion. On the other hand, if they are responding to what people are saying on 2chan and 4chan as such, the fourth season of StrikerS might be based on more or entirely Nanoha and Fate scenes.

People might get turned off more and more and quit the show entirely, branding it as mere fanservice or some other thing. And I'll hate to see the MSLN series come to that. >_<

Nanoha-level difficulty in expressing what I want to say isn't doing justice to my post or the people reading it and I do apologize if seems senseless to you.

[Adr 00]

With so many subplots/back stories left to cover with the endgame nearing, it's simply looming disaster, coupled with how the second half of the season has been, it's hard to see the show turning around now, if ever possible. Would a good or maybe even a half decent ending be enough to salvage whats left of StrikerS? I think not.

Apparently the number of posts here at animesuki related to how the show is going isn't enough to warrant attention, if the writers or anyone related to the production bothers to so such things as viewer opinion. On the other hand, if they are responding to what people are saying on 2chan and 4chan as such, the fourth season of StrikerS might be based on more or entirely Nanoha and Fate scenes.

People might get turned off more and more and quit the show entirely, branding it as mere fanservice or some other thing. And I'll hate to see the MSLN series come to that. >_<

Nanoha-level difficulty in expressing what I want to say is doing justice to my post or the people reading it and I do apologize if seems senseless to you.

I get the feeling, that.........the endgame is just too soon.And yeah ive kinda decided to switch back to A's ending

[Nightengale]

Nothing happened at 2ch. Don't believe those bullshit. 2ch's always been 2ch. If there was anything larger than usual that affects DVD sales or Oricon charts or even controversies, we'll know about it. Like that Gainax GL bullshit. Otherwise, 2ch's ALWAYs being its usual self. There's hate threads for just about EVERYTHING.

As for 4chan... NOBODY gives a damn about 4chan. At least no one sane and remotely important.

And I wouldn't say there's a lot of subplots left to cover. But I'll be honest, and say that unless Shinbo upped his directing powahs to godly levels for the last few episodes, there's no way those subplots can be covered good. Just enough yes, but I HIGHLY doubt there'll be any backstory for Zest/Lutecia/Jail/Numbers that would make us emotionally invested into it.

[Adr 00]

Sigh........StrikerS had potential,but...........sigh...........its now beyond hope.

[arkhangelsk]

Apparently the number of posts here at animesuki related to how the show is going isn't enough to warrant attention, if the writers or anyone related to the production bothers to so such things as viewer opinion. On the other hand, if they are responding to what people are saying on 2chan and 4chan as such, the fourth season of StrikerS might be based on more or entirely Nanoha and Fate scenes.

We are a few dozen. 2chan is maybe hundreds or thousands. We are foreigners so the most most of us will do is buy the American version of the DVD which will be at best 1/2th the price (profit) of the Japanese version. We are also not likely to buy the related goods. The guys at 2chan are their big chance to make a major profit. If we assume 7Arcs is paying attention to the boards, either 2chan or ours, who will they be trying to appease?

[Nightengale]

We are a few dozen. 2chan is maybe hundreds or thousands. We are foreigners so the most most of us will do is buy the American version of the DVD which will be at best 1/2th the price (profit) of the Japanese version. We are also not likely to buy the related goods. The guys at 2chan are their big chance to make a major profit. If we assume 7Arcs is paying attention to the boards, either 2chan or ours, who will they be trying to appease?

2ch has the power to influence Oricon chart sales and create a nation-wide phenomena from a mere story on a forum (( Densha Otoko )). That's how powerful 2ch is. It's influence on Japanese society, is powerful. Very powerful.

4chan, Animesuki Forums... they're NOTHING compared to 2ch. Putting the names side by side is like comparing Bill Gates to a middle-class white collar.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Nothing happened at 2ch. Don't believe those bullshit. 2ch's always been 2ch. If there was anything larger than usual that affects DVD sales or Oricon charts or even controversies, we'll know about it. Like that Gainax GL bullshit. Otherwise, 2ch's ALWAYs being its usual self. There's hate threads for just about EVERYTHING.

As for 4chan... NOBODY gives a damn about 4chan. At least no one sane and remotely important.

Oh good :) Either way, I still gain something.



And I wouldn't say there's a lot of subplots left to cover. But I'll be honest, and say that unless Shinbo upped his directing powahs to godly levels for the last few episodes, there's no way those subplots can be covered good. Just enough yes, but I HIGHLY doubt there'll be any backstory for Zest/Lutecia/Jail/Numbers that would make us emotionally invested into it.

Several weeks ago, some of us were wondering why would StrikerS have 4 sound stages...

[Mirificus]

The way it looks to me is that with NxF is that they've been trying to have their cake and eat it too. They've spent way too much time in StrikerS hinting at it which is frustrating a lot of people and on the other hand, they haven't outright said that they're in a relationship which is bothering the people who like NxF which makes them want even more evidence to confirm the relationship :rolleyes:. Vivio isn't the problem so much as a symptom of the time they've been wasting trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one.

That almost works as a metaphor for the tactical dispositions and plans they've been having Hayate use :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Vivio isn't the problem so much as a symptom of the time they've been wasting trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one.


Yes, but the problem suspiciously occurred only after she appeared.

The first half was grea- erm, 'good'. Which the exception of the Teana incident (Which I still think took longer than needed).

[Mirificus]

Yes, but the problem suspiciously occurred only after she appeared.
That doesn't really mean anything. Correlation does not imply causation.

[Nightengale]

Yes, but the problem suspiciously occurred only after she appeared.

The first half was grea- erm, 'good'. Which the exception of the Teana incident (Which I still think took longer than needed).

If we're going to use Miri's hint analogy, then it makes sense.

I mean, there are only so many ways they can hint it at us. Besides, they've already wasted 80% of their hints techniques on A's, and Vivio was added as an extra dimension to it.

Seven Arcs :

??? : Damn, how are we supposed to do more non-blatant NFanservice? We've already used every trick in the "hint" volume. The only one left is the "blatant" volume used in Strawberry Panic and Simoun, and we can't cross that line!

??? : Why not? I mean, you've spent so much time on fanservice that had no real contribution to the plot, why falter?

??? : Fool, we must satisfy everyone! And doing so, we cannot let them have the bait!

??? : Fine, how about we make Fate Vivio's 2nd mama? Then we can have more fanservice using the mama analogy. How's that?

??? : But Fate won't even be going to save Vivio in the Cradle... Doing so would delegate the the Fate/Erio/Caro development we're supposed to do...

??? : Make up your mind.

???: Fine, we'll just do the Fate-mama thing.

???: What about the more substansial FEC development? You know, one where actually gave Lightning some decent emotional development...rather than just moe blob...

???: SS02.

???: You do realize that emotional tearful scenes lose impact with only voices...right?

???: What do you think sells more and what is more expensive? NxF or FxExC? DVD or SS?

???: Fine, I'll go alter the script. Gimme a few hours.

[Chaos2Frozen]

That doesn't really mean anything. Correlation does not imply causation.

"Suspiciously" being the keyword.

If we're going to use Miri's hint analogy, then it makes sense.

I mean, there are only so many ways they can hint it at us. Besides, they've already wasted 80% of their hints on A's, and Vivio was added as an extra dimension to it.

Seven Arcs :



??? : Damn, how are we supposed to do more non-blatant NFanservice? We've already used every trick in the "hint" volume. The only one left is the "blatant" volume used in Strawberry Panic and Simoun, and we can't cross that line!

??? : Why not? I mean, you've spent so much time on fanservice that had no real contribution to the plot, why falter?

??? : Fool, we must satisfy everyone! And doing so, we cannot let them have the bait!

??? : Fine, how about we make Fate Vivio's 2nd mama? Then we can have more fanservice using the mama analogy. How's that?

??? : But Fate won't even be going to save Vivio in the Cradle... Doing so would delegate the the Fate/Erio/Caro development we're supposed to do...

??? : Make up your mind.

???: Fine, we'll just do the Fate-mama thing.

???: What about the more substansial FEC?

???: SS02.

???: Fine, I'll go alter the script.


Brains-in-a-jar, anyone?

[FlameSparkZ]

Was it just me, or did anyone else noticed subtle changes in this episode's OP? :uhoh:

@Nightengale: I see...2chan is that powerful...interesting.
Btw, nice Seven Arcs dialogue :heh:

[Estavali]

Was it just me, or did anyone else noticed subtle changes in this episode's OP? :uhoh:

@Nightengale: I see...2chan is that powerful...interesting.
Btw, nice Seven Arcs dialogue :heh:

Care to point them out please? :)

[FlameSparkZ]

Care to point them out please? :)


At the beggining, when Subaru spins around once, instead of a dark background is a midnight-blue background.
The camera focuses more on Genya and Rein
When Zest and Signum are clashing, the bolts are white, instead of violet
And the type-3 Drone Fate cuts in half, the inside of the drone is yellow (because of the cut), instead of grey.
The Vivio scene, the background is darker, and Vivio's movements are not as fast.
When Vivio and Nanoha's are almost touching, the movement of the hands slipping away is a bit more fluid.

That's what I picked up, anyone saw something I didn't? :heh:

[Key Board]

2ch is powerful because the Japanese takes things dead seriously

while we westerners have zero concept of shame, and thus are immune to a wall of angry text

[Estavali]

I think they edited that when Zest first shows with his glaive as well. The "blink!" glow from his glaive is much more prettier this time :p.

[Cats]

Sigh........StrikerS had potential,but...........sigh...........its now beyond hope.I fear you are correct.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I fear you are correct.

And this time, he has good reasons now... Care to hear them :) ?

Or have you already seen the previous page? :p

[Key Board]

???: Fine, I'll go alter the script. Gimme a few hours.

I doubt it.

Seven Arcs is not Sunrise. It does not have the resources to ad lib and change things midway. And even when someone as rich as Sunrise does it, it shows. read: stock footage, long episode delays

Anime production follows a relatively strict schedule

The voice recording for StrikerS was already done before the first episode aired.

[Nightengale]

I doubt it.

Seven Arcs is not Sunrise. It does not have the resources to ad lib and change things midway. And even when someone as rich as Sunrise does it, it shows. read: stock footage, long episode delays

Anime production follows a relatively strict schedule

The voice recording for StrikerS was already done before the first episode aired.

I am aware of that. What I did was a joke. :heh:

Doesn't change the fact that most people found StrikerS's division of emphasis...lackluster.

[Jimmy C]

The voice recording for StrikerS was already done before the first episode aired.

Not quite. From what I've read about other anime series, it's more likely that the voice acting is done around one to two months before a particular episode is supposed to air. In StrikerS case, I believe the studio only has ep26 left to work on by this time. The others are "set in stone" already. Like'em or hate'em, there's no changing them by now.

[Demon Eyes]

A little late but regarding to that episode number issue...

I don't see any problems with the 26.

I find it impossible even for this lovely little miracle company to pull off introducing all those characters in 13 episodes.

I my self think that there was no episode wasted.

Training is important and I must admit that this child prodigy thing was getting old so to use it on all the new comers would've been a little over board.

The training episodes were necessary. The relaxing were also necessary. The characters grew up so must the show...

Making that high of a time jump and then just falling into 13 episodes of action wouldn't have cut it!

But it might just be me and my love for Nanoha though...

Over all, I don't see how it would've been pulled off with 13 episodes.

[Chaos2Frozen]

A little late but regarding to that episode number issue...

I don't see any problems with the 26.

I find it impossible even for this lovely little miracle company to pull off introducing all those characters in 13 episodes.

I my self think that there was no episode wasted.

Training is important and I must admit that this child prodigy thing was getting old so to use it on all the new comers would've been a little over board.

The training episodes were necessary. The relaxing were also necessary. The characters grew up so must the show...

Making that high of a time jump and then just falling into 13 episodes of action wouldn't have cut it!

But it might just be me and my love for Nanoha though...

Over all, I don't see how it would've been pulled off with 13 episodes.


Someone (arkhangelsk I think) mentioned that to properly tell The StrikerS story, it would have to be more than 26 episodes.

I agree that there's nothing wrong with Training or relaxing, however I disagree that we'll need THAT MUCH of it.

And thats not the only problem, it's fine if the characters grow (reasonably) slow, but even amongs main characters, we have people like Nanoha, Fate, Teana and Subaru, even Vita hogging up the limelight, killings the growth spurt of the others characters.

[S_K]

Well, during this episode it looks like everyone is getting owned but then you look at the preview and it looks like they start owning :heh:
Anyways, the fact that Vice shot his sister(I believe that was his sister) was shocking
When Vice said Danna, I wonder what he really meant :heh:

[Chaos2Frozen]

Well, during this episode it looks like everyone is getting owned but then you look at the preview and it looks like they start owning :heh:
Anyways, the fact that Vice shot his sister(I believe that was his sister) was shocking
When Vice said Danna, I wonder what he really meant :heh:

It's probably a sign of respect, just like how he calls Signum "Nee-san".

Can't quite see him do the same for Vita though :heh:

[serenade_beta]

At the beggining, when Subaru spins around once, instead of a dark background is a midnight-blue background.
The camera focuses more on Genya and Rein
When Zest and Signum are clashing, the bolts are white, instead of violet
And the type-3 Drone Fate cuts in half, the inside of the drone is yellow (because of the cut), instead of grey.
The Vivio scene, the background is darker, and Vivio's movements are not as fast.
When Vivio and Nanoha's are almost touching, the movement of the hands slipping away is a bit more fluid.

That's what I picked up, anyone saw something I didn't? :heh:

During Subaru's kamehameha at the end, she has a magic ring around her wrist.

[narmi]

I'm not sure, Garyuu seems to be around A-rankish in just combat ability... And if we're using similar parallels, Arf's seems slightly stronger overall since she was on par if only slightly weaker than Zafira, but Garyuu would have speed advantage while Arf benefits from being an all-rounder that can actually cast magic.

Regardless, Erio vs Garyuu has NO drama whatsoever so there's no reason to drag it long, so I'm putting my money on Garyuu getting owned and Lutecia pissed off, starting a "Godzilla-class" summon battle.

Hahahah maybe Lutecia's "Godzilla-class" summon will be MOTHRA!!! lol I hope someone does a parody where she summons mothra while Caro summons Godzilla. Now that would be perfect.

Well, during this episode it looks like everyone is getting owned but then you look at the preview and it looks like they start owning :heh:
Anyways, the fact that Vice shot his sister(I believe that was his sister) was shocking
When Vice said Danna, I wonder what he really meant :heh:

Hahaha when Vice's sister came in to visit Vice (before Vice's little sister states she's Vice's sister). I said to myself "oh wow, I didn't see happening!", also the scene with Jail actually coming out was pretty good.


Oh yah the scene with Subaru and Ginga fighting against each other (even if it's a small scene) was pretty good. Finally we get to see what really "happened" to her after she was captured. Dang it now I can't wait for ep 23 before my new semester starts. Hahahha

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

At the beggining, when Subaru spins around once, instead of a dark background is a midnight-blue background.
The camera focuses more on Genya and Rein
When Zest and Signum are clashing, the bolts are white, instead of violet
And the type-3 Drone Fate cuts in half, the inside of the drone is yellow (because of the cut), instead of grey.
The Vivio scene, the background is darker, and Vivio's movements are not as fast.
When Vivio and Nanoha's are almost touching, the movement of the hands slipping away is a bit more fluid.

That's what I picked up, anyone saw something I didn't? :heh:

I didn't notice those changes, but I did notice the only change that Seranade_Beta mentioned and that was about Subaru's divine buster attack and she had a magical circle around her wrist.

Well before everything comes to a wrap, atleast reveal whose that person Lutecia is trying to save and does Scaglietti have relic#11 and did he use it on Vivio during episode 19 and such...ugh, Lutecia has somewhat sneaked into the side spotlight alongside with Teana's triple threat problem and saving Ginga with Subaru.
The mystery of Quint's death sounds important enough to deal with, but its a bit too late already and before Ginga could have a chance to find out who did it, she gets captured and turned evil.

[Jimmy C]

For those interested, the override Quattro used on Lutecia sounds like Consideration (or Consolidation) Console (or Control). No doubt Ginga and Vivio have overrides as well.
I really don't like the fact that Vivio's original existed around only 300 years ago. Schach even confirmed that was the time of the Saint. That means what we've been calling Ancient Belka is just Old Belka. This is terribly unsettling because, if it was that recent, there should be more historical records of the Cradle available than Yuuno indicated.
At one stroke they've made everything seem younger than it used to be. What's next? The Book of Darkness being less than 500 years old? Jewel Seeds made less than 1000 years ago?

[arkxkra]

wow, this episode the raising heart very cool :P....
this episdoe make me abit worry, especially Nanoha Flash back and say she belong to *sky...it getting and getting higher chance tat she will gone... T_T.... So far from the situation is very not good for them...

[Kha]

I really don't like the fact that Vivio's original existed around only 300 years ago. Schach even confirmed that was the time of the Saint. That means what we've been calling Ancient Belka is just Old Belka. This is terribly unsettling because, if it was that recent, there should be more historical records of the Cradle available than Yuuno indicated.
At one stroke they've made everything seem younger than it used to be. What's next? The Book of Darkness being less than 500 years old? Jewel Seeds made less than 1000 years ago?Consider the canon calender year: It is MC 0075. 75 years on a calender?! Now that's what I call young.

No surprise then that what caused Ancient Belka to disappear was pretty recent, and same goes for the Cradle.

However, nothing is stopping the Ancient Belka Imperium that had the Seiou and the Cradle in its dying years from existing for millenia before collapsing... In that light, Ancient Belka can deserve to be called Ancient.

Same goes for the YnS or the Jewel Seeds; nothing in canon so far says that they are within 500 years old. Unless you are disturbed by that, but IMHO, I don't see the problem here.

[Nightengale]

Consider the canon calender year: It is MC 0075. 75 years on a calender?! Now that's what I call young.

No surprise then that what caused Ancient Belka to disappear was pretty recent, and same goes for the Cradle.

However, nothing is stopping the Ancient Belka Imperium that had the Seiou and the Cradle in its dying years from existing for millenia before all that... In that light, Ancient Belka can deserve to be called Ancient.

Same goes for the YnS or the Jewel Seeds; nothing in canon so far says that they are within 500 years old. Unless you are disturbed by that, but IMHO, I don't see the problem here.

The MC refers to Modern Calendar. It's relatively new itself.

TSAB itself, for being an interdimensional organization is only 150 years old, and the founders, along with their first generation legends are still alive. Well, the founders were.

[Kha]

The MC refers to Modern Calendar. It's relatively new itself.

TSAB itself, for being an interdimensional organization is only 150 years old, and the founders, along with their first generation legends are still alive. Well, the founders were.:nod: :nod: :nod:

The idea of the Brains outliving their bodies reminds me of True Assassin... Ideas... :uhoh:

[Estavali]

@ All wondering about the supposed lack of info on the Cradle:

Let's not forget that one of mankind's favorite pastime is to burn books that have things that they don't like. Qin Shi Huang's persecution of the "unorthodox" scholars and the mass burning of precious Jewish texts in medieval times are just some examples.

If people wants to reduce the Cradle to a bad dream that will never be hear of anymore, or prevent other people from learning about it, destroying every accessible record would usually be considered to be the best course of action.

Not that I like it myself :mad:. Books are just too precious to burn, regardless their content.

[Jimmy C]

Let's not forget that one of mankind's favorite pastime is to burn books that have things that they don't like.

If you were talking about a conventional library, you would have a case. But we're talking about the Infinity Library here. We don't know how it gets stocked, but it seems have books from places and people so long forgotten, they're not legends anymore. I have a feeling that, if anyone had written anything about the Cradle in the last 300 years, it should have been in the Library.
Unless someone checked out all the books on the subject and "forgot" to return them......

[aers]

Spoilers for 23-26 under the spoiler tag. 23 isn't translated, sorry. Click at your own risk since I wouldn't want to ruin all the fun you seem to be having deciding whats going to happen :p I'd be glad if someone could check the TL too, friend of mine did it and wasn't sure on everything.

source is http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4937/1188391402422yf9.jpg

第23話「Stars Strike」
ディエチを破り、大座の間へと到着するなのはは、
意識を無くしたヴィヴィオとゆりかごのシステム全体を操るクワットロと対面する。
そして、クワットロはヴィヴィオに関する真実をなのはに伝え「決戦」の始まりを告げる。
戦闘機人3人相手の、絶望的な戦いにそれでも立ち向かうティアナとクロスミラージュ。
弱い心を奮い立たせ、自身の戦う理由、勇気の意味を思い、
マッハキャリバーとともに立ち上がるスバル。
2人はそれぞれの場所で鍛え続けてきた「最後の一撃」に賭ける……！
絵コンテ/草川啓造　演出/鼻山茂樹　作画監督/倉橋希・大城勝・青島克己

第24話「雷光」
地上本部で遭遇するかつての親友同士、ゼストとレジアス。悲しみの中で戦うルーテシアと
ルーテシアの命令を守るガリューを前に、キャロとエリオは懸命の想いを伝える。スカリエッ
ティのアジト内では、フェイトはザンバーを砕かれ、苦戦を強いられながらも戦い続ける。
そんな状況のフェイトに、エリオとキャロが伝えた想いと言葉は…
絵コンテ：長尾粛　演出：笹木史郎　作画監督：佐藤天昭

Episode 24 - Lightning

At Ground Forces HQ, the former close friends Zest and Regius finally encounter one another again. Fighting within the sadness, Caro and Elio convey their earnest feelings before Lutecia and her obedient Garyuu. Inside Scaglietti's hideout, Fate continues fighting a difficult battle even though Zanber is broken. Like in Fate's situation, the feelings and words conveyed by Elio and Caro...

第25話「ファイナル･リミット」
地上と空での戦いが続く中、重傷を負い疲労しながらも駆動路破壊に向かうヴィータ。
玉座の間で、玉座を守る生体兵器きとして覚醒し、襲い来るヴィヴィオを救助しようとする
なのは。そして最後に残った戦闘機人として、聖王のゆりかごを飛ばし続けるクアットロ。
止まらない運命と戦いの中、なのははブラスターモードを全開放する。
絵コンテ：草川啓造・まついひとゆき　演出：古川政美　作画監督：橋本貴吉

Episode 25 - Final Limit

While battles continue on the ground and in the sky, Vita drives onward despite exhaustion caused by her serious injuries. In the throne room, Nanoha attempts to save Vivio who has awakened as a living weapon to defend the throne. As the final remaining Combat Cyborg, Quattro continues to fly the Cradle of the Saints. Fighting against unstoppable destiny, Nanoha unleashes the full power of Blaster Mode.

第26話「約束の空へ」
聖王のゆりかごと地上での決戦を経て、「レリック事件」から端を発した「ジェイル・スカリ
エッテイ事件」は終わりを告げる。逮捕されたスカリエッティやナンバーズたち、保護された
ルーテシアとアギト。平和を取り戻した世界で静かに過ぎてゆく時間の中、それぞれの
視点で事件を思う一同。そして、機動六課はその役目と運用期間を無事に終えることと
なり…
絵コンテ・演出：吉田泰三　作画監督：小森篤

Episode 26 - To the Promised Sky

With the decisive battles in the Cradle of the Saints and on the ground over, the "Relic Incident" and the "Jail Scaglietti Incident" that originated from it are brought to an end. Scaglietti and the Numbers are arrested, and Lutecia and Agito are given shelter. In the newly peaceful world, everyone thinks of their own opinions on the incidents. And then, Sixth Division finish their duties and employment period safely...

[Estavali]

If you were talking about a conventional library, you would have a case. But we're talking about the Infinity Library here. We don't know how it gets stocked, but it seems have books from places and people so long forgotten, they're not legends anymore. I have a feeling that, if anyone had written anything about the Cradle in the last 300 years, it should have been in the Library.
Unless someone checked out all the books on the subject and "forgot" to return them......

That is not an impossibility, considering who these somebody may be. And if these gentlemen's arm are long enough, they even can have a whole of Head Libarians working under their orders.

Besides borrowing past the date due, they can also help mess things up in the Library to make sure that whoever looking for such info will have a very hard time, to say the least.

Of course, that is if the person-in-charge is someone other than Yuuno :).

[Riddly]

Spoilers for 23-26 under the spoiler tag. 23 isn't translated, sorry. Click at your own risk since I wouldn't want to ruin all the fun you seem to be having deciding whats going to happen :p I'd be glad if someone could check the TL too, friend of mine did it and wasn't sure on everything.

source is http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4937/1188391402422yf9.jpg

第23話「Stars Strike」
ディエチを破り、大座の間へと到着するなのはは、
意識を無くしたヴィヴィオとゆりかごのシステム全体を操るクワットロと対面する。
そして、クワットロはヴィヴィオに関する真実をなのはに伝え「決戦」の始まりを告げる。
戦闘機人3人相手の、絶望的な戦いにそれでも立ち向かうティアナとクロスミラージュ。
弱い心を奮い立たせ、自身の戦う理由、勇気の意味を思い、
マッハキャリバーとともに立ち上がるスバル。
2人はそれぞれの場所で鍛え続けてきた「最後の一撃」に賭ける……！
絵コンテ/草川啓造　演出/鼻山茂樹　作画監督/倉橋希・大城勝・青島克己

第24話「雷光」
地上本部で遭遇するかつての親友同士、ゼストとレジアス。悲しみの中で戦うルーテシアと
ルーテシアの命令を守るガリューを前に、キャロとエリオは懸命の想いを伝える。スカリエッ
ティのアジト内では、フェイトはザンバーを砕かれ、苦戦を強いられながらも戦い続ける。
そんな状況のフェイトに、エリオとキャロが伝えた想いと言葉は…
絵コンテ：長尾粛　演出：笹木史郎　作画監督：佐藤天昭

Episode 24 - Lightning

At Ground Forces HQ, the former close friends Zest and Regius finally encounter one another again. Fighting within the sadness, Caro and Elio convey their earnest feelings before Lutecia and her obedient Garyuu. Inside Scaglietti's hideout, Fate continues fighting a difficult battle even though Zanber is broken. Like in Fate's situation, the feelings and words conveyed by Elio and Caro...

第25話「ファイナル･リミット」
地上と空での戦いが続く中、重傷を負い疲労しながらも駆動路破壊に向かうヴィータ。
玉座の間で、玉座を守る生体兵器きとして覚醒し、襲い来るヴィヴィオを救助しようとする
なのは。そして最後に残った戦闘機人として、聖王のゆりかごを飛ばし続けるクアットロ。
止まらない運命と戦いの中、なのははブラスターモードを全開放する。
絵コンテ：草川啓造・まついひとゆき　演出：古川政美　作画監督：橋本貴吉

Episode 25 - Final Limit

While battles continue on the ground and in the sky, Vita drives onward despite exhaustion caused by her serious injuries. In the throne room, Nanoha attempts to save Vivio who has awakened as a living weapon to defend the throne. As the final remaining Combat Cyborg, Quattro continues to fly the Cradle of the Saints. Fighting against unstoppable destiny, Nanoha unleashes the full power of Blaster Mode.

第26話「約束の空へ」
聖王のゆりかごと地上での決戦を経て、「レリック事件」から端を発した「ジェイル・スカリ
エッテイ事件」は終わりを告げる。逮捕されたスカリエッティやナンバーズたち、保護された
ルーテシアとアギト。平和を取り戻した世界で静かに過ぎてゆく時間の中、それぞれの
視点で事件を思う一同。そして、機動六課はその役目と運用期間を無事に終えることと
なり…
絵コンテ・演出：吉田泰三　作画監督：小森篤

Episode 26 - To the Promised Sky

With the decisive battles in the Cradle of the Saints and on the ground over, the "Relic Incident" and the "Jail Scaglietti Incident" that originated from it are brought to an end. Scaglietti and the Numbers are arrested, and Lutecia and Agito are given shelter. In the newly peaceful world, everyone thinks of their own opinions on the incidents. And then, Sixth Division finish their duties and employment period safely...



Hmm, that didn't go over everything, but the way it ended isn't too surprising. :p Episode 25 is sounding pretty cool. Vivio turned into a "living weapon" to defend her throne against Nanoha? Oh the drama... :cool:

[Mow Yun]

It doesn't mention anything about Vivio in the last episode. Interesting, methinks

[serenade_beta]

Spoilers for 23-26 under the spoiler tag. 23 isn't translated, sorry. Click at your own risk since I wouldn't want to ruin all the fun you seem to be having deciding whats going to happen :p I'd be glad if someone could check the TL too, friend of mine did it and wasn't sure on everything.

Episode 26 - To the Promised Sky

With the decisive battles in the Cradle of the Saints and on the ground over, the "Relic Incident" and the "Jail Scaglietti Incident" that originated from it are brought to an end. Scaglietti and the Numbers are arrested, and Lutecia and Agito are given shelter. In the newly peaceful world, everyone thinks of their own opinions on the incidents. And then, Sixth Division finish their duties and employment period safely...


I need to save up money. When this episode happens, I'm probably going to smash my monitor to death...

[Chaos2Frozen]

@Spoiler

Ahh...What to say? The 'convey their feelings' part sounds so cheap and stupid... :heh:

And I think I might kow what's that hotbloodied 'Shocking' scene is already, but if things are as gruesome as they sound like... :D

Come on, Character death! (Other than Zest)

[asaqe]

Zest may potentially die...although I can see the torch being passed to Subaru in terms of the series...although some of the numbers may die fighting Nanoha's team...

[Nightengale]

@Spoiler

Ahh...What to say? The 'convey their feelings' part sounds so cheap and stupid... :heh:

And I think I might kow what's that hotbloodied 'Shocking' scene is already, but if things are as gruesome as they sound like... :D

Come on, Character death! (Other than Zest)

What made me lol was the word in 'like in Fate's situation...'

But otherwise, it was all-around predictable, ESPECIALLY 25. C'mon, anyone could've seen it coming 300 miles away. The only factor is that...would she live or would she die?

However, it seems to imply that TSAB's higher-up's involvement with Jail and everything won't be brought clearly into light... Hmm...

[Chaos2Frozen]

The only factor is that...would she live or would she die?




Blaster mode right? ;)



Just kill her already,you'll be going to good drama!

(Yes Nighty, I know, that's why I only said 'good')

Though the downside is that FF.net would soon be flooded with angst stories :rolleyes:



However, it seems to imply that TSAB's higher-up's involvement with Jail and everything won't be brought clearly into light... Hmm...




But, it does seem that Jail and his numbers are going to live through this :heh:

I could hear the OC thread going "WOOHOO! Suck it Ion Canon!":D

[arkhangelsk]

I need to save up money. When this episode happens, I'm probably going to smash my monitor to death...

I have a laptop and so cannot smash my monitor. Any ideas?

Man, how predictable. It is like 7Arcs is just trying to finish scribbling up this disaster and moving on to their next production.

[Chaos2Frozen]

I have a laptop and so cannot smash my monitor. Any ideas?

Watch it on somebody else's computer.



Man, how predictable. It is like 7Arcs is just trying to finish scribbling up this disaster and moving on to their next production.

What? Inukami 2 :p ?

They still have to settle 2 more Sound stages though...

[Riddly]

Though the downside is that FF.net would soon be flooded with angst stories :rolleyes:

Lmao, so true. :heh:

I'm starting to think I'm one of the few that actually likes her. :uhoh:

[arkhangelsk]

What's so likable about her...