View Full Version : Anyone notice how female characters are hated mor then male?
Ichigo_Strife728
2007-08-28, 15:48
If a female does 1 stupid thing people hate them forever.
Like a male character can be a play boy/pimp, but when I female characters has those traits, people hate them more.
Not that I dont want to contribute to the conversation...but could you give an exaple
Well anyhow I can't bear to watch a series with only female characters, the way they are portrayed or mentally created makes them too retarded for me sometimes
Okay, so perhaps it always depends on the genre of the anime, but still, I tried to go through Strawberry panic, but gawd, It's a fest of obsessed little girls about their Senpai.
I guess Women are better off to create girl character I guess, Clamp seems to be doing fine on that side.
If a female does 1 stupid thing people hate them forever.
Like a male character can be a play boy/pimp, but when I female characters has those traits, people hate them more.
I really haven't seen this attitude at all..... more like everyone hates the male character by the end of the series because no one in their right mind would act like he does or make the choices he makes. I guess some examples are needed.
Anyone notice how female characters are hated more then male characters?
You mean like...
Makoto from School Days
Rin from Shuffle
Wait a minute, aren't they both male.... :)
It's rather subjective, I'm not convinced females are inherently more hated than males. I suspect there might be more female characters in anime (or at least in the type of anime which produces such characters) so it would be natural for there to be more female characters that are "hated".
neutralizer
2007-08-28, 17:13
You know it could be that so many animes have tsundere female leads.
It's more like fangirls hate the female characters and fanboys hate the males. I try not to be this way, on the contrary there are many female characters that I like even though a lot of people hate them. (and for very stupid reasons)
Example: I like Riho from NightWalker. But most fangirls HATE her. Why? Because the fangirls want Shido to be gay with Caine and Riho's in the way of that.
Retarded reason, no? :mad:
I think legimate reasons for hating female characters is...well they can be a lot more annoying than male ones. (to female viewers) If all a girl does is cry and angst about her boyfriend, we might call her an emo slut but if it's a GUY doing the angsting, we go "awwww" because we think he's cute.And I think the male audience would have the opposite reaction, sympathsizing with the girl character "because she's cute" and telling the guy character to "grow some you-know-whats".:heh:
NightbatŪ
2007-08-28, 18:09
if it's a GUY doing the angsting, we go "awwww" because we think he's cute.And I think the male audience would have the opposite reaction
Don't tell me both sexes do not agree that Shinji from NGE is the most hated character ever
(but then again, he's described as a boy, yet we all know he has no b*lls)
:D
Don't tell me both sexes do not agree that Shinji from NGE is the most hated character ever
(but then again, he's described as a boy, yet we all know he has no b*lls)
:D
Judging by polls all over the net, I agree that he IS the most hated character ever but that doesn't mean I hate Shinji, personally. I think he's pathetic, but I don't hate him.:rolleyes:
Why more female characters hated by audience is most fangirls want their fave male characters in a non-yaoi anime to be gays.Because they cannot remove the female ones,so they just can say "That bitch <insert a female character name here> don't deserve <insert a male character name here>."However not all agree with me.
Yes I agree Shinji has no balls!
Terrestrial Dream
2007-08-28, 18:26
I can't really think of any female character that I hate, only one I could think of is Nina from Code Geass. Now for male I could think of few, Suzaku from Code Geass, Uchia Sasuke, Shinji Ikari.
Why more female characters hated by audience is most fangirls want their fave male characters in a non-yaoi anime to be gays.Because they cannot remove the female ones,so they just can say "That bitch <insert a female character name here> don't deserve <insert a male character name here>."However not all agree with me.
Exactly and I really really hate it when fangirls are like this. It's completely stupid.:eyebrow: The only anime I'd agree with this on is Gundam Wing because Relena is so damn annoying. XD But...while it is pretty to look at, Heero hooking up with Duo is too OOC on Heero's part. He should just be alone or find a better girl. The only straight couple I like in that show is NoinxZechs.
Another famous one is Naruto. Sakura is hated by girls because she gets in the way of SasukexNaruto. But this is silly because it's pretty plain that Sasuke isn't interested in Sakura at all. So even though I like SasuNaru, I don't hate Sakura and even if Sasuke DID like her, I wouldn't hate her.
Slice of Life
2007-08-29, 07:17
More intensely or more frequently?
I think it is easier to make the male viewer (and that's the majority) to hate a female character than a male character. It probably boils down to the fact that a male will more likely identify with a male character whereas a female one is more likely to be seen as competition, a threat. So the most hated women characters are probably hated more intensely than males.
But such extremes are rare. Though even intense dislike can bind you to a series (I think most harem leads are a perfect example for that.) there is a point where hating a character transforms into hating the whole show and then you've overdone it. The people who create the characters know what they are doing and will try to avoid that.
So are female characters also more frequently disliked? No, I don't think so. The identification potential is also a curse. The viewer will judge the actions or inactions of the main male character much more critically. Shinji is probably the best example for that. I've already said something similar just a few days ago in another thread but in my opinion this generally results in very bland characters which is why I rather prefer female leads in action anime. But there is enough anime out there so each to his own. It does worry me however when people start confusing anime and real life (Along the lines "If I had to fight the Dark Lord in that situation I'd ...". Well, no, you wouldn't.)
well about the above statement i only ever dislike one female character in an anime show and that was ender in hack roots so far i like all other female characters in anime (i know what some people are think no i am not a perv....) but my last addition
*cries for L* i also HATE :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: rem for killing L is death note
hoipe this was a good contribution
You mean like...
Makoto from School Days
Rin from Shuffle
Wait a minute, aren't they both male.... :)
Oh.. Good thing I dropped Shuffle when I did then. =_=
Looks like there's some hurt floating in the air with some of the posters.
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I think the question should be:
In anime, is the percentage of female characters worth hating greater then that of male characters?
My answer would be NO. If you hate the female lead, you have to hate the male lead for not acting acordingly; and if you hate the male lead you have to hate the female lead for being all emo or stupid.
Those who hate the female lead(s) is more likely a yaoi fangirl.As examples,They hate Sakura for her one-sided love for Sasuke and Kagome for Inuyasha.Both Sasuke and Inuyasha are characters came from non-yaoi anime who often depicted as gays in their fandom.However the authors themself had set those "annoying" female leads as heroines.Those fangirls cannot do anything but yell at internet.And then everything follows to this topic we currently discussed.Although I agree those two are annoying but I don't hate them.They just characters that worth to be ignored.For me "annoying" and "hate" are two different things.
According to the fandom, Akane of Ranma 1/2 stay champion at "the most hated character in anime history".Why,most male Ranma 1/2 fans said that she had too many things worth to hate like she can't cook,sew do house chores etc.Even today there are still many anti-Akane sites.That's why no more characters like her exist today.
-KarumA-
2007-08-29, 10:38
Example: I like Riho from NightWalker. But most fangirls HATE her. Why? Because the fangirls want Shido to be gay with Caine and Riho's in the way of that.
Retarded reason, no? :mad:
so true, thats one major reaosn why i hate cetain female characters in a show :X
just being honest (im glad Euphie died ha ha!)
however i hate fangirls who shout out their hate towards others, i dont do this.. i think its very idiotic to do so thats why..
i gues its more annoyed than angry with me really... its not like itll change or somehting..
other than that i sometimes hate the mentallity of female characters.. overly happy .. just standardly blonde.. etc.
i finaly see where you guys are coming from. well I have sean characters do stupid things that make me think less of the charicter but I have never completely hated them for it. I eather hate them or like them, they could do almost anything after i have made my judgment (except become a clown with a rubber nose)
I haven't really noticed this, and I certainly don't hate female characters more than I hate males. If anything, it's the other way around, at least in my case.
Miaka and Usagi Tsukino made me cringe about as much as Shinji in their times. But for different reasons.
Demongod86
2007-08-29, 15:23
GSD disagrees with you. Even though Mia was delusional and Luna had her head on the moon, you couldn't bring yourself to hate any girl. But Shinn?
I rest my case.
SeijiSensei
2007-08-29, 17:40
There are many excellent female leads once you leave the limited world of harems and moe~ shows. Here's just a few of my favorites:
Balsa in Seirei no Moribito
Hiroko in Hataraki Man
Yohko in Twelve Kingdoms
Fee in Planetes
Clare and Teresa in Claymore
San in Mononoke Hime
Haruka in Noein
Alice in Mahou Shoujo Tai Arusu
I can't imagine anyone hating any of these ladies unless you don't like strong female characters. In general my favorite shows all have either strong adult female leads like Balsa or plucky girl characters like Haruka. I generally find the male leads in most shows to be lacking in comparison.
neutralizer
2007-08-29, 17:49
GSD disagrees with you. Even though Mia was delusional and Luna had her head on the moon, you couldn't bring yourself to hate any girl. But Shinn?
I rest my case.
Exactly. I can't think of a better example. Shinn was just horrible as a character. You ended up hating him but being so emo, whiny, and so blind. It's probably why it seemed like Kira became the main character halfway through the series.
GSD disagrees with you. Even though Mia was delusional and Luna had her head on the moon, you couldn't bring yourself to hate any girl.
That's not always true, I hated Stellar and Lacus every bit as much as Shinn.
And to say that female characters are noticeably more hated than the male ones as a rule is so not true. Let's think of some recent popular shows and their most hated characters. Code Geass - Suzaku by a landslide. School Days - the male lead, whatever his name was (as is the case in virtually every harem anime). Claymore - Raki by a mile, even though the ratio of female to male characters is like 10:1. Mai-Otome - again the ratio is similar, yet the male Sergay is hated the most by the fandom.
neutralizer
2007-08-29, 19:23
Forgot to mention Saito from Zero no Tsukaima. His excess pervertedness and whines annoy me much more than the female characters.
other than that i sometimes hate the mentallity of female characters.. overly happy .. just standardly blonde.. etc.
BLOND REFERENCES ARE NOT COOL, YO!:mad:
And "happy" does not equal "stupid".
Double standards, as usual. Take a guy who sleeps around. Men don't mind it, women aren't keen with it. Then consider a woman who sleeps around. Men don't wanna touch that slut, and women hate her for disgracing their gender.
Two people doing the same thing. One is a man, and 50% of other people hate them. One is a woman, and 100% of other people hate them. In anime, it works the same way.
*As usual, this is a colassal generalization. I'm speaking in hyperbole. It's exaggerated. It's late and I need to sleep.
I agree with Veritas.Its a double standard.Its like two sides of a coin.No matter how different the situations are,its still the same thing.
BLOND REFERENCES ARE NOT COOL, YO!
And "happy" does not equal "stupid".
That's the answer I want to hear from a female anime fan.I was tired to see many angry yaoi fangirls expressing their hatred on female characters who getting along with their favorite male characters in a non-yaoi anime.You are the one who think in different way.I agree with you,not all happy-go-lucky characters are stupid.
This is my last post in this pointless and meaningless thread.I will get some "reputation points" if I still talking about this.
Shadow Miko
2007-08-30, 00:59
Generally I'll prefer a female character over a male. But that has nothing to do with me hating anyone from a certain gender more than another.
Hasn't it got something to do with the whole 'Love triangle' thingy? I mean in most animes it's always girls trying to 'win' over a guy, or fanz arguing which girl is better that which, creating a war agaisnt both fanz
Kagome or Kikyo in Inuyasha
Kaname or Tessa in FMP
Haruka or Mitsuki in Kimi ga nozomu Eien
Rei or Asuka in Evangelion
Kiyouko or Haru in Hitman Reborn
Shana or Kazumi in Shakugan no Shana
The list just goes on...
-KarumA-
2007-08-30, 03:22
BLOND REFERENCES ARE NOT COOL, YO!:mad:
And "happy" does not equal "stupid".
i didnt nmean the blonde part as an ofence for the entire blonde population ... >.>;
btw its all personal opinion, no need to rant like that im not one of the people shouting out i hate a certain character in every threat i go into
the people that get on my nerves sometimes are like characters who keep on fighting for a boy but for everyone else its obvious that shes not going to get him... btw by blonde and overly happy most of the times i would count in characters like Orihime, who hardly does anything int he start and hardly does anything even now.. her activity percentage went up like.. 10%... whooo...
but it isnt like i hate ALL female characters so dont threat me like one who does >.>
I hate all male characters except Vash and Alucard. They prevent my anime from being set in a perfect lili paradise of yuri onee-samas, loli-imoutos, and everything inbetween.
So uhh, not in my case.
Okay, I'm sort of (sort of) joking. It's true at least that if a girl acts at all slutty she dies to me, while a guy can get away with a lot as long as he's not an indecisive idiot.
If we talk indecent actions I'll actually rectify to say that both gender will annoy me as much. Even if it's a guy I lose interest in a fool who can't make up his mind on a single girl.
Darklord_bg
2007-08-30, 22:15
You are kidding, right?
It is exactly the opposite. Male characters nowadays have to be always perfect, extremely manly and decisive, self-confident, good with girls but not players, strong and smart and cool and probably a dozen of other things in order to be liked by the fanbase.
Female characters have to be only one thing...hot(which is true for 90% of females in anime).
I feel like the male anime viewers are extremely demanding of male characters since they like to identify themselves with them and think they would do so much better if they were in their shoes. So any time a male character makes a simple mistake or displays a character flaw, he is completely trashed and hated. If a female character makes a similar mistake, the comments I read are "Well...she is hot/cute/a loli so she is forgiven".
This double standard really makes me mad, since I am proud to be a guy and enjoy watching anime male characters act cool and kick ass in general, and I cringe every time an annoying girl beat the crap out of them just for the sake of comedy.
Just to be more specific, since I've said some pretty general things, I feel like the only recent male characters that have been generally liked by the whole fanbase are:
1)Lelouch (Code Geass)
2)Simon/Kamina (Gurren Lagann)
3)L (Death Note)
4)Kyon (SHnY)
5)Archer(FSN)
Well, this is not an extensive list, probably there are a few more, but I can't think of any more examples at this point. I am not including any shounen characters on purpose, since most of them are pretty stereotypical, even though many of them are very cool.
On the other hand, the list of male characters being hated by almost everyone or at least by a portion of people is far greater(basically, everybody else), whereas I cannot think of any female characters that are hated so much nowadays, besides Sakura from Naruto and Inoue from Bleach.
Well, at least this is my impression, I really hope I am wrong and I will be glad if people could show me some evidence that male character coolness is regarded equally with female character hotness.:)
KholdStare
2007-08-30, 23:28
Yeah it is. Just look at Takayuki and Makoto.
Siegel Clyne
2007-08-31, 19:04
Exactly. I can't think of a better example. Shinn was just horrible as a character. You ended up hating him but being so emo, whiny, and so blind. It's probably why it seemed like Kira became the main character halfway through the series.
A few years ago on the 2ch Japanese forums, there was a source who once in a while posted unofficial, reliable information on Gundam SEED Destiny (and, I think, Gundam SEED). According to some 2chers, this source ran a website that paid individuals for inside information.
One of this source's posts on 2ch (I seem to recall late 2004 or early 2005) mentioned the dissatisfaction of the Gundam SEED DESTINY staff with how badly Shinn Asuka was performing, e.g., he apparently was not popular as the main character.
A post a few months later by the same source stated that Shinn was a "stalking horse" ("ateuma"). I mentioned this as a rumor from a reliable source on another English language anime forum and it spread from there.
The rumor proved to be true.
In fact, if I recall correctly, every rumor from that reliable source later proved to be true, such as Meer Campbell's refusal and Meyrin Hawke's heroic deed (regarding Athrun Zala).
You are kidding, right?
It is exactly the opposite. Male characters nowadays have to be always perfect, extremely manly and decisive, self-confident, good with girls but not players, strong and smart and cool and probably a dozen of other things in order to be liked by the fanbase.
Female characters have to be only one thing...hot(which is true for 90% of females in anime).
You're missing the point. Not by a longshot, but enough that you're not focusing on what I think people are trying to say.
Take your male character that you said was so popular (and male characters [and main ones in general] have always been like that). He's gar. 4chan likes him. Now change the character to a female. Odds are guys don't really care about her now (which is a negative for a main character), except about how she looks. And girls probably don't either because she's become a mary sue, or is coming in between two other guys who would make a better couple, or because characters that are perfect are usually not all that interesting when you get right down to it. Here a graph.
Weak character, Male - examples: Shinji, Takayuki, dude from Gundam SEED that everyone seems to hate so much
Men: "Wuss, faggot, pussy." Reaction - Negative
Women: "Lame." or "I don't really care." Reaction - Negative
100% Negative
Strong character, Male - ex.: Kamina, Spike, Char Aznable
Men: "GAR!" Reaction - Positive
Women: "I like him." or "I don't really care." Reaction - Positive or Negative
50-100% Positive
Weak, character, Female - ex.: Miaka, Sakura, most harem girls
Men: "Bitch, waste of space, useless, moe blob." Reaction - Negative
Women: "Bitch, waste of space, useless, moe blob." Reaction - Negative
100% Negative
Strong character, Female - ex: Yoko from 12 Kingdoms, Haruhi, lacking any other anime heroine that comes to mind, Buffy
Men: "I don't care, where's the beach episode?" Reaction - Negative
Women: "I liked her until she made some poor choice. Now she sucks." or "What a Mary Sue." or "She's getting in the way of XY and XY!" Reaction - Negative
100% Negative
Like my other post, these are extremes. There will always be someone who likes a weak character and someone who hates a strong one, regardless of gender. It just seems like female characters have a very narrow path on which to walk to be a character that is regarded positively. No one likes weak characters, but take a woman like Kamina (can fight, looks cool, adored by opposite sex, respected by those of same sex) and you get backlash for making her "too perfect."
Darklord_bg
2007-08-31, 22:57
I see what you mean, but still I disagree with some of the things you said.
First of all, from your post it seems like women do not like any sort of characters, which is not true. Women like both good-looking and cool male characters and strong female characters, since they are an example for them.
Also, I disagree that men do not like strong female characters. We do, trust me! Here are several examples of strong female characters who are basically revered among the fanbase - Revy from Black Lagoon, Yoko from Gurren Lagann, Yoruichi from Bleach, pretty much all Claymores, Saber and Rin from Fate/Stay Night, CC and Karen from GEASS, Shana and many others.
Also, in harem shows, it's always the guys that get most of the hate. It's true that many of them are indecisive wusses, but some of them are actually decent but still get flamed. Harem girls on the other hand usually only get blamed because they fall for the stupid harem male lead, i.e. once again it is the guy who looks bad.
So, to use your ranking system, here's what I thing it really is:
Weak Male - agree with you(100% negative reaction)
Weak Female
Guys: Annoying, whiny bitch, but at least is hot. - 50% positive
Girls: 100% negative
Overall: 75% negative
Strong Male - agree with you(75% positive)
Strong Female(examples stated above)
Guys: Kickass, strong, hot, sexy - 100% positive
Girls: agree with you - 50% positive
Overall: 75% positive
Also, I feel like sometimes guys even prefer strong female characters to strong male just for their gender - like for instance Saber is much more popular than Archer. I guarantee you, a female Archer would be worshiped, whereas a male Saber would not be nearly as popular.
So yeah, in general people like strong characters and hate weak ones regardless of gender, but I feel like the male viewers(which is the majority) are much more lenient towards female characters' flaws than they are to males'. I constantly read in blogs and forum posts that "there are not many decent male characters around", which I think is a huge exaggeration.
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