Claymore - Episode 23 Discussion / Poll

[xVxObliVioNxVx]

Honestly, I am quite mad at what they did with Rigald in the anime. Not only he's weaker than the manga, he's also dumber. What's with the whole DBZ-like power up (already said, I know), and then throwing a column at Clare? Lame intimidation attempt, and it made him look even dumber than Duff.

Clare getting her speed under control was also just too fast. I understand they want to save something for a possible Clare/Priscilla showdown, but it was more realistic when she used her sword to stop herself.

Don't mean no disrespect, but have you even read the manga? Everything you just said tells me that you didn't.


In the anime, they actually made Rigaldo much stronger then in the manga. The manga never shows him fighting seriously, but the anime does, because we witness him regarding Clare as a worthy opponent, while in the manga he never saw her as a worthy opponent until it was too late. And as others have already pointed out, Rigaldo throwing a column at Clare made a lot of sense considering Clare's situation of being boxed in with no way out.

As for Clare getting her speed under control too fast. They didn't suddenly have Clare take control of her legs too fast for a possible Priscilla/Clare showdown. That was straight from the manga.

[Seska]

Can we please, let the Manga go? Enjoy an alternate ending, just animated not imagined... thats would be fun :)

[Icey]

For all you peoples complaining about the raki sences, guess why they are there... no one can answer? Well, how about they have them as (sort of) fillers to get the anime to fit in the 26 eps. if they werent there the story would e about an ep ahead and 1 ep that would be an complete filler
(before you flame me to death please note that i have not read the manga)

Another question from just personal intrest, why does everyone likes flora so much? shes in 3-4 eps does nothing at all and then dies, no personality no background, just a doll... (just my oppinions, im ready to take the flames)

[Anh_Minh]

Other thing that bugged me about the fight: Clare is strong enough, and her claymore sharp enough, to slice and dice Rigald. She actually cut a limb off first thing after her partial awakening.

So how come Rigald can block her claymore with his hand and not even get cut?

[miroku2192]

well..im just guessing but if u look closely at his hands...they're a bit different from his arm...it looks like they're "stronger". Maybe they're made of steel like things..something harder than his flesh.

Also...since it seems that the anime is gonna be different from the manga...and seeing as how popular the manga is...do you think mad house or some other group will pick it up after the manga finishes and make a few episodes that follow the manga 100% if the manga is good enough? Afterall, it's two endings... so it can be an ova thing right? For example, they could remake claymore from like episode 17 or w/e and finish it up following the manga after the manga finishes.

[Souten no Seigyoku]

Just started watching it.

Clares legs look like that of a horse or similar animal...hmm...

Edit:
Shes got hooves

[hollywoodlou]

For all you peoples complaining about the raki sences, guess why they are there... no one can answer? Well, how about they have them as (sort of) fillers to get the anime to fit in the 26 eps. if they werent there the story would e about an ep ahead and 1 ep that would be an complete filler
(before you flame me to death please note that i have not read the manga)



We are not complaining about the Raki scenes...it's where he's being placed in the last 4 episodes that ruins the action scenes. If they stuck ALL the Raki scenes in the end of the episode, like episode 19, the Raki hatred wouldn't be this poisonous.

[Mandrake]

Terror?why terror?i dont understand,does priscilla remember anything when she is in child form?or just in her awakened form?

The terror and despair Teresa made Priscilla feel, theres no way she could have forgotten it. Just look at Priscilla reaction when Clare goes for the final cut down with rigardo.

The familiar feel of Teresa might have jumpstarted her memories.

[Goofus Maximus]

Man this stuff is going way off track from the manga. I hope they don't do something totally random for the ending :/

:naughty: Like the Claymores doing a Riverdance Chorus line, with Clare and Isley doing the lead dancers part, and Rigaldo getting up, saying it's only a flesh wound, while Helen and Raki sit on the side and complain about their lack of rolls.

Raki will wish to become stronger, so he can one day dance the lead roll, and Helen will want to turn the show into a comedy routine! Deneve will hold the upper torso of Undine and lament, until Undine turns her head and irritably says "It will regenerate, you know!"

Then it will all end in a huge clog-dancing high-kicking Celtic stomp-fest, with Clare and Rigaldo doing a high-leaping twirling dance routine (accidentally leveling buildings in the process), while Priscilla and Raki play Pinochle against Helen and Isley! Riful arrives too late to participate, stomps her foot in frustration, then leaves in a flurry of ribbons, Dauf in tow! :naughty:

Hee hee! Hopefully nothing so random as that!

Truthfully, the only problem I had with Raki in episode 22 was the way they broke up the pacing of the episode with him. This episode was what episode 22 could have, and should have, been, in my conceited opinion! (I was going to say "humble", but who would be fooled by that? :D )

[cors8]

When someone kicks your butt so badly that you had to resort to a cheap shot to actually win, your body remembers the feeling!

I have to say that they made Rigaldo slightly weaker just due to the amount of power Clare had to use. It's understandable with Easley and Priscilla coming though.

[DarkSide Hero]

Yeah. Irene felt such familiar youki coming from Clare, too.

And no wonder Priscilla is scared. Not only she thought Teresa was death, probably she remember how much powerful she was. If had not used that coward sneak atack, Priscilla would be the one dead.


Just a thought i got... How could a semi-awaked #47 female Claymore defeat a fully-awaked #02 Male Claymore? :hmm:

I remember in episode 15 the old men from the Organization said they expected to preserve some of Teresa's incredible power via putting her flesh and blood inside Clare, but that was a fail because Clare became the weakest Claymore, instead. But they didn't know about Teresa's gigantic amount of Youki. She could fight Abissals using just 10~30% of her power.

Apparently, getting Teresa's flesh and blood inside her, Clare got some kind of hidden potencial. When using just 10~50% her youki, she is the weakest. But if she use 80+ of her power, in other words, when she's about to awake herself, she will awake her hidden potencial too. That's why she can fight even Ligardes.

I'm not sure if it was ever explained in the Anime but it was stated in the Manga that everytime a Claymore partially awakens the quality of their yoki gets stronger.

For all you peoples complaining about the raki sences, guess why they are there... no one can answer? Well, how about they have them as (sort of) fillers to get the anime to fit in the 26 eps. if they werent there the story would e about an ep ahead and 1 ep that would be an complete filler
(before you flame me to death please note that i have not read the manga)

Another question from just personal intrest, why does everyone likes flora so much? shes in 3-4 eps does nothing at all and then dies, no personality no background, just a doll... (just my oppinions, im ready to take the flames)
However if you had read the manga then you would know that there is more than enough material that filler is not needed for one season.
Also the Flora fanboyism comes from her manga incarnation.

[^Sakon]

ok..50% done on the download..and scared now from all the postings.lol God dont let MH butcher claymore!

[Leedizzle]

I think a good question would be does a Claymore's awakened form change depending on stages of their life.

It seemed to be when Claire almost awakened in the church she was really huge, like she going to turn into a more humanoid awakened being, but in here she is much more sleek and slim.

[DarkSide Hero]

I think a good question would be does a Claymore's awakened form change depending on stages of their life.

It seemed to be when Claire almost awakened in the church she was really huge, like she going to turn into a more humanoid awakened being, but in here she is much more sleek and slim.

I think it may have more to do with a Claymore's subconscious personality or what they desire most.

[Lendial]

too bad ass, though they coulda teased viewers badly if they cut the last 3-6 seconds of the ep :P

[celestialguy]

I just finish watching this episode. It was one of the best episode in Claymore! The Raki scenes are actually not that bad in my opinion. They are there to build up suspense i guess?

[DazarGaidin]

I have to admit tho, that Helen is awesome in this episode. She is really trying to help out and it looks like they really spent some time drawing her too.


The part where she is trying to aim at them was very cool, waiting for a good time to strike/distract.
http://www.knowledgemonster.net/helenAiming1.gif

[^Sakon]

ok finished the Ep. enjoyed it alot, can't say which is better the manga or anime, like them both still hehe.

[DazarGaidin]

I think it may have more to do with a Claymore's subconscious personality or what they desire most.

I think you are right, ...or at the least clare is able to consciously (on some level) control the manner in which it happens.

[Evangel]

They are going to end it at 26... No second season. This is what I have gathered from watching the episode and preview for 24:

Pricilla senses Teresa's yoki. I say an awakened pricilla face in the preview. Clare vs Pricilla showdown. Then raki does something cheesy and clare lives..

DAMN!!!

[stormy001_M1A2]

Was it me or mood of the thread is less hostile than yesterday?

This episode if viewed from anime stand point is not bad since the action is very fast as I mentioned earlier. Madhouse really did not pull punches when they want to show fast and furious fight.

One thing I noticed, whatever metallurgy they used for the swords, it one heck of amazing technology. Her sword is unbreakable despite the abuses it suffered in fighting the lion man.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I am sure we could make it more hostile for you if you would prefer. :p

[superzombie23]

I've finished editing episode 23 with no filler, and it has Eclipse's subs in it. I'm encoding it now. Look forward to Claymore Ep. 23 HQ with No filler link in a couple hours. It's only 11 minutes long btw, but you'll love it.

[HayashiTakara]

despite it going differently from the manga, I still think there will be a second season following the manga, you all know what Im talking about.

[Cooler1339]

That episode was badass. Screw the manga, Clare handled that like a champ.

[neutralizer]

Yea, I don't see why everyone got so hostile. That episode was awesome, regardless of whether it followed the manga or not.

The action was pretty awesome. Clare was badass. The Raki cuts weren't that long nor were in the middle of a critical moment.

8/10 from me.

[strung_out]

Wow... After reading pages 1-5 in this thread I'm so glad that I decided to save the manga for when I'm done the anime.

Since I don't know what changed, I was happy with this episode. My only gripe again is that Raki's scenes cut into the action... but I find it better now that he's in Pieta... it makes his screen time a lot more interesting to me. 9/10

[Schuyler]

So I read up to this ep23 to see what everyone is so pissed about, now I know why >.<. But it was still awesome

[DazarGaidin]

Again, the question, all manga aside, is how did she logically beat him now after he supposedly 'powered up' so far beyond how he was in the beginning (when he tooled everyone...).

Everyone here is mad cause it makes him look weak, and subsequently makes everyone he pimp slapped look weak. It also makes clare instantly 100s of times stronger because she got antelop legs and 'focuses on defeating him" really hard.

Also the whole dbz power up thing in itself doesn't even make sense, always before the blast of yoki energy or whatever signified awakening further, and in the case of claymores that usually meant a physical change of some sort, usually on par with the increase in power. Rigardo is already 100% awakened so you might not see such a physical change in him, its just a representation of a release of more of his power (altho really i think it was too dbz like as well).

Even casting the manga aside these things add to the irritation, at least for me.

[Icephere]

I think this episode did a good job on Helen's role.She was somewhat helpless in the manga, but atleast she is attempting to do something in the anime :)

[DreamerRin]

Why do I feel that Raki is gonna get in the way with Clare?

I mean how great it would be if she awakened and said something like
"I want to eat some guts?" >_<

[j8breakz]

Hey all. I am a long time dweller here but a new poster.

Claymore has simply been amazing thus far. I was reading over some older posts and had a few questions. Thanks in advance for any answers.

Is Claymore only going to be 26 episodes long?
I think I read something about the manga not finishing so the anime developers are going to create their own ending and cut it short? Is that true?

It seams like the story has so much more to offer and I can't see the end of it coming in the next 3 episodes when Easly and Pricilla are still pissing around on their horses outside of town?

Thanks again-

[Fenrir_valindri]

I hope that Galatea's appearance is what it should be, and not her being a sacrificial lamb for the War in the North.

[PGilis]

Why do I feel that Raki is gonna get in the way with Clare?

I mean how great it would be if she awakened and said something like
"I want to eat some guts?" >_<

And then she would not be the heroin of the story anymore. :heh:

We don't need another Priscilla, thank you. :p

[stormy001_M1A2]

Since the anime is different from manga, anything goes. Who knows, maybe Galatea will next to die?

Never know.

[strung_out]

Is Claymore only going to be 26 episodes long?
I think I read something about the manga not finishing so the anime developers are going to create their own ending and cut it short? Is that true?

Yes there are only supposed to be 26 episodes, and no one is 100% sure how the anime will end yet...

[superzombie23]

HQ Claymore 23 NO filler. Get it here! (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6FW2TEN3) XVID: Here (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CXRZ1N9O)

For the people who are pissed about Raki being in Pieta or the interruptions, this is as realistic as it gets for an episode to adapt the manga correctly as if it aired on TV, and it's just for you or anime-only watchers that are curious. Have fun with it, and thank you for making the subs in the first place Eclipse :p (I used their .ass subs from their h264) Sadly, 23 is the last episode I can edit since the next episode seems to be in its own little world now. Please make some comments about it. It seems like it may take a while for a lot of people to see this, but I'll just say that this is much better than the original Madhouse episode in terms of getting the fight done with more excitement imo. I don't know when I'll do a "Final version" combining the recent episodes I edited before, 21 & 22. One more thing I have to mention is that Madhouse made it pretty easy for me to edit... kind of. It was like they intended to have these manga scenes there, but just added music and other crap scenes in between. If I was in complete control of the music, I could easily combine and take out every scene possible and make it exactly like the manga, but that's something no one can really do. My point is that Madhouse still respected the manga panels because they were still in the anime, but just left them in a big field of poo poo that I had to clean up. It would be impossible to do this type of editing with most anime out there, but Madhouse made it possible with Claymore. I was getting the vibe after editing these few episodes that It's as if Madhouse watched it w/o the filler themselves, THEN they added the filler in between or onto the scenes themselves, in parts where things seemed like they froze or a sword swing just started, or in-between 2 frames where the animation is actually CONTINUOUS over that space of filler. It's pretty unique filler if you ask me, and that type of filler is probably the most annoying to come across.
Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/53520660/funny2.mp4.html)'s a little treat that no one made a comment about in my last posts... -.-

[Galatea]

Too much changes..... Raki shouldn't be in pieta

[j8breakz]

Ending it at 26 huh? That sucks. I can't be the only one who feels like this is going to be rushed to hell and poorly finished? There is just so much I was looking forward to.

Anyway I thought episode 23 was pretty sick. I also agree however that her wasting the Silver eyed Lion King made everyone else look weak. Great action though.

[Schuyler]

if they changed it so much, I don't think there is going to be another season.

[DreamerRin]

And then she would not be the heroin of the story anymore. :heh:

We don't need another Priscilla, thank you. :p

Very true but that wouldn't stop me from wanting to see her awaken ~
^-^

[DarkSide Hero]

Ending it at 26 huh? That sucks. I can't be the only one who feels like this is going to be rushed to hell and poorly finished? There is just so much I was looking forward to.

Anyway I thought episode 23 was pretty sick. I also agree however that her wasting the Silver eyed Lion King made everyone else look weak. Great action though.

To answer your previous question fully. The manga is released once a month, it is currently in chapter 13. The Mangaka has stated in an interview that he will take Claymore to 25 chapters. So the manga will take another 5 years to finish; this is inline with his previous works which took 8+ years to finish.
Currently the Manga is in filler gaiden mode while it transitions to a new monthly magazine. Although all the fans have welcomed these new side/back stories with open arms. =)

[Fenrir_valindri]

To answer your previous question fully. The manga is released once a month, it is currently in chapter 13. The Mangaka has stated in an interview that he will take Claymore to 25 chapters. So the manga will take another 5 years to finish; this is inline with his previous works which took 8+ years to finish.
Currently the Manga is in filler gaiden mode while it transitions to a new monthly magazine. Although all the fans have welcomed these new side/back stories with open arms. =)

They are all pretty damn interesting so far, I will admit, and some of them could be fit into the anime if they every pulled a hellsing and rereleased the series as an OVA series.

[Bikerider]

Now that was an exciting episode.

Silly Kitty didn't understand till too late: Don't "play" with some one who wants your head on a pike.

[RoryTate]

This episode was a pure adrenaline rush from start to end. Reminded me somewhat of the episode with Theresa's "battle royale" against Irene, Noel, Sophia, and Priscilla.

Anyway, this fight flowed very well and held my interest throughout the episode, even though it did seem a little long at the same time. Clare's development of her strength, and the initial way she couldn't control herself, was excellent. I loved the way she kept running into buildings (hey, if no one else is going to give her face-plants, I guess she'll just have to find a way to do it herself...ha!), and it was very well animated -- to the point where you could almost feel her pain as she slammed into something again. The blood around her eyes that looked like tears while this was happening...wow...that was an amazing image to me. Shocking even, which is interesting amongst all the usual Claymore gore (which I never found disturbing to tell you the truth, since it all seemed very "cartoonish" to me).

I thought they could have done Clare's form a bit better though, and I'm not talking in the "manga" way (whatever that is). I just thought that her legs -- despite being an essential part of the battle -- were too often difficult to discern amidst the fighting. I would deduce that the animators found them a little tough to draw (a la "Make it a pie. Pies are easier to draw." :D Hmm...wonder if anyone will actually know that reference?), because they always require a lot of detail to be recognized as "hoofs" (or whatever they are...never really got a great look at them).

I was surprised to find my favourite part was when Raki was deposited by Helen in the room with Miria and the others. Just the sight of them all gathered together...how do I explain it? Well, it immediately distinguished Clare, similar to Irene explaining how Theresa was isolated because she was "so far above everyone else". Now Clare is in the same situation, and it means that she is truly the main character, in that "demigods who walk among us" sort of way. The combination of that, plus the reactions of all the injured and battle-weary Claymores to the fight outside was a perfect interlude, and that's the only way I can describe it right now. *shrug* Well, who knows...I just really enjoyed it, and I wish they would have done more with that conversation.

Yay! Jeane! :p

Helen aiming her arm and then giving up disgustedly...now, I rarely swear, but...totallyf**ingcool. ;)

With all the trouble that's approaching though...it's definitely out of the frying pan and into the fire for the Claymores in Pieta. I enjoyed seeing Easley and Priscilla's reactions to what they sensed, and I can't wait to see how they become involved in the battle. Easley's response at losing his no. 2 should be revealing as well.

[EphemeralDream]

Part of me is pissed that they (at least from what i'm seeing) are gonna take out the "Jean sacrifices herself to bring Clare back"....but part of me is happy that Jean's not gonna die. YAY Jean!

[strung_out]

Review

Reading your review made me want to watch the episode all over again! hahaha

[ashesatdusk]

Where did the moderators go on this forum ? Vacation? Wedding ? Retreat ?


I just watched this episode, luckily before reading the forum, and just now browsed through the 15 pages of this thread. I personally don't see the big deal is, and few of the loudest complainers, seem like there trolling.

Personally the out come doesn't seem that different, Clare one the fight against rigaldo, at the expense of nearly awakening. Her legs were showed as awakened early on. The fight however was dragged out a bit. and the last few episodes really the events within Pieta don't seem that different from the manga, other than they' haven't followed on screen panel to panel. The major changes were events out side of pieta that happened during the northern campaign. Isley, Raki, Priscella moving to pieta, instead of staying in one place. The lack of the other showdowns. Alicia/beth

As for Raki... there was nearly as much complaining when claymore followed the manga panel to screen, but I found him more annoying then, he's like sakura in the beginning of naruto. Instead of having the line Sasuke-Kun, he had the line Clare. At least to me it kind of makes sense he's in Pieta. as leaving claymore at 26 if it followed the manga, would also leave the situation with raki a cliff hanger.

[Kai Robin]

damn, I was reading through this thread and realized it was pointless, seven pages of whining no need to continue.

I'm sure glad I didn't read the manga so I don't have anything to bitch about, cause that episode was F**** awesome. The sense of speed made a certain bankai boy almost seem slow by comparison. I''m GUESSING clare was supposed to fully awaken but they there's THREE EPISODES left, why not save it for a wee bit? Anyways I for one would like an actual conclusion and not a berserk-ending thank you very much.

[stormy001_M1A2]

damn, I was reading through this thread and realized it was pointless, seven pages of whining no need to continue.

I'm sure glad I didn't read the manga so I don't have anything to bitch about, cause that episode was F**** awesome. The sense of speed made a certain bankai boy almost seem slow by comparison. I''m GUESSING clare was supposed to fully awaken but they there's THREE EPISODES left, why not save it for a wee bit? Anyways I for one would like an actual conclusion and not a berserk-ending thank you very much.

Amen to that, my friend.

[DarkSide Hero]

damn, I was reading through this thread and realized it was pointless, seven pages of whining no need to continue.

I'm sure glad I didn't read the manga so I don't have anything to bitch about, cause that episode was F**** awesome. The sense of speed made a certain bankai boy almost seem slow by comparison. I''m GUESSING clare was supposed to fully awaken but they there's THREE EPISODES left, why not save it for a wee bit? Anyways I for one would like an actual conclusion and not a berserk-ending thank you very much.

Watching this and not reading the manga is like watching televangelist and not reading the bible =P

[PGilis]

Amen to that, my friend.

Me third.

If there is any filler in Claymore, is the boring complains filling all their episodes threads, whinning about how much the manga is better than the anime and how much Raki sucks. :eyebrow:

[FlareKnight]

Yeah focus on just what we've seen in the anime and the fight was fine. Did take me some time to figure out what was up with Clare's legs. Wasn't paying enough attention to notice just what kind've change was being done there.

Anyways wonder what will happen with her now. After all she's already started awakening parts of her body. Going back won't be easy, it was hard on Jean and she only did it thanks to Clare copying Galatea's skill to a degree (hmm wonder why she'd hanging in the preview) and her iron will to not turn and to at least die a human. Not saying Clare doesn't have a will or anything though.

Maybe Clare's power is getting so high because of Teresa's body. Maybe awakening is taping into the truth of her power better than could be done as a Claymore. Am curious though since with Priscilla coming calming down isn't going to happen. Wonder what will happen when she forces the arm she got from Irene to awaken as well, since it's from a different person might it have a unique form? Or maybe it won't change and she'll just get a super flashsword against Priscilla.

But anyways what will happen with Easley. Will he simply sit back while Priscilla fights Clare assuming at some point it'll turn on Priscilla? Still wondering how he recognized the yoki or maybe he just thought it was unusual.

[stormy001_M1A2]

My thinking that is he felt an unusual yoki and was perplexed to see Prisicillia reacted to it in such manner. I don't think he knew or recognize the yoki flaring out from Claire's body.

[strung_out]

Still wondering how he recognized the yoki or maybe he just thought it was unusual.

I thought he was referring to Rigardo's yoki... he realised how high it was going and that's how he noticed he was having a tough fight...
that's what I got from it anyway...

[Taylor_Maclaurin]

lol
You're saying that people who aren't content with the anime shouldn't post here, hilarious. So people can only write when they rated at least 7 ? I'll write in your style. Don't like our comments, don't read them.
What's more some people are writing that you can't compare manga to anime. But you can, it's free will. What, you wouldn't allow Yagi Norihiro complain about screwing everything up too ? It's normal, for example in recent Ghibli film Gedo Senki (Tales from Earthsea), the first anime film adaptation of the Earthsea series written by Ursula Kroeber Le Guin, it was inevitable that fans of her books would compare these two products. Even the author herself responded quite critically, here (http://www.ursulakleguin.com/GedoSenkiResponse.html) you will find her comment.
You're complaining and whining the same way we do (about our whining), so you're not any better, heck you're even worse because you're forbidding us to write our opinions.


Back on topic.

Taking no account of manga-anime comparison, episode 23 was average. After episode 20 I was sure that they can't screw up Rigardo fight. I was wrong. Constant switching between the fight and Raki, dragging the fight for 3 episodes, some Bleach/Naruto//DB alike Ki release... That was decent but repetitive. I liked the fight but I've seen much better fights in other anime. The previous episode was very good, but they spoiled all the fun by having Clare play with Rigardo for the whole episode and then at one moment she just killed him, lol. Was he tired ? I don't think so, in fact it was Clare who breathed heavily.
<Now, anime-viewers-only, don't read this>
What's worse I've read the manga and I can't belive that static pictures could overwhelm dynamic ones, it was so much better in the manga, I would even write SUPERBly better. Not to mention the whole Raki thing, him getting in the way, whinning, acting like a 13-year old girl. He wasn't like that in the manga or in previous episodes (1-20). I like him in the manga, but here after episode 21 episode he annoys me.
All in all I rated it 5, I wasn't disappointed because I was expecting this but I hoped that they wouldn't mess up the end of Rigardo fight.

Varis: Or, alternatively, you could make a "praise Claymore" thread, where no criticism would be allowed, and stay there.

Seriously... There were many scenes that manga readers were looking forward to. Those scenes didn't make the cut. Don't you think it's normal we'd want to vent our disappointment?

And then, there are all the people who don't think Raki should have as prominent a role as he's getting in the anime. We don't get to express ourselves, now?

Amen.
Amen to that, my friend.
We can do this through all thread but it's pointless and stupid,

[superzombie23]

Watching this and not reading the manga is like watching televangelist and not reading the bible =P

I'll definitely amen to that, and you peoples need to watch the thing I linked. It's worth the watch :rolleyes:

[Rotton the Wizard]

After reading all the complaints from this and last episode, I finally gave in and read the manga. It kinda seems like they just might delay Clare's arms awakening and Jean's shining moment instead of cutting it out completely, because it would really be dumb to have all of that stuff happen and then have the inevitable anime Priscilla fight occur right after.

I'd have to say though that on its own this episode was pretty solid.

I didn't mind the Raki scenes at all. He acted like how I thought he would if manga Raki was in his place, and it did not seem forced or contrived to me.

The pacing for this episode was much better than the last episode. It would seem slow compared to the manga but you have to remember that the manga moves really fast. Single fights usually don't last longer than 2-3 chapters. The pacing for this episode was smooth enough to keep me excited all the way through to the end.

I think the hate for this episode is really exaggerated due to the manga spoiler being left out and people automatically crying out DBZ (or Naruto, Bleach) whenever people power up. Yes, powering up can get annoying when done repeatedly but Claymore has been quite non-excessive (compared to said series) with that.

If you're an anime only watcher on the fence for whether or not you should read the manga at this point or not, I recommend that you should. The anime has diverged from the manga to the point where you would be getting separate storylines from the battle of Pieta onwards. For me, it's pretty much like getting 2 awesome stories for the price of one!

C'mon, how can Galatea and Awakened Priscilla appearing in the same place NOT be awesome? Unlike most people here, I still have a bit of faith in MH. Let's hope they don't cheese up the ending like the pessimists think they will.

[hollywoodlou]

I'll definitely amen to that, and you peoples need to watch the thing I linked. It's worth the watch :rolleyes:

SZ...your episode 23 version WITHOUT RAKI...does it have the scene where Helen calls Raki an idiot...I mean "brat"?:heh:

[Schuyler]

If I read the manga before watching the anime, I would be pissed like everyone is here, it seem it would of been way more awesome if they sticked with the manga. *sigh*. I'm really thinking there won't be another season.

[strung_out]

lol
You're saying that people who aren't content with the anime shouldn't post here, hilarious. So people can only write when they rated at least 7 ? I'll write in your style. Don't like our comments, don't read them.

Hmmm I thought people aren't allowed to vent in this thread about how it differs from the manga though? I thought there is a thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46914) for that already... here's a quote I got from that thread.

First you read the manga, then you watch the anime... and suddenly you want to spout off about things that haven't been animated yet! The current anime events lead to really interesting things you want to vent about. The problem is that if you post in the episode discussion thread you'll find yourself banned.

EDIT: K I wasn't specific enough. my bad, yes you can say that it's different and that you don't like it that it's straying away from the manga... but some people have been already speaking about what's supposed to happen instead. Which is not cool because I'm planning on reading the manga after the anime...

[Taylor_Maclaurin]

Hmmm I thought people aren't allowed to vent in this thread about how it differs from the manga though? I thought there is a thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46914) for that already... here's a quote I got from that thread.
You can't read with coprehension. Pity.

[wnmnkh]

I feel the ending can be either great or can be suck. I hope they give more significant role to Raki, and everything would be ok...

[Shadow X]

I feel the ending can be either great or can be suck. I hope they give more significant role to Raki, and everything would be ok...

Somehow I am thinking that the anime ending will be good. :heh:

Well I am downloading the fansub now before I can rate this eps. :D

[DarkSide Hero]

I feel the ending can be either great or can be suck. I hope they give more significant role to Raki, and everything would be ok...

What:confused:

[hollywoodlou]

I just voted a 6...because Raki ruined everything again. Why Raki wont you make me vote a 10??

I also noticed the increase of people who voted for 1 from last episode. :heh:

[Rotton the Wizard]

I'll definitely amen to that, and you peoples need to watch the thing I linked. It's worth the watch :rolleyes:

Your edits were pretty good but 1 or 2 of them were a bit obvious. Nicely done though.

I think it'd be hilarious to see the exact opposite of your video..... EVERY Raki scene in the anime and nothing else. I can picture it now.... People complaining for 8 pages straight the day before episode 24 comes out, and then out of nowhere someone releases a joke episode 24 that is a video of just Raki. Raki hate would increase exponentially and animesuki forum servers would crash from extreme nerd rage. :D If someone were to make such a video, it'd be worth watching due to comedic value alone.

On the topic of EP 23: Is anyone else disappointed that they've been reusing the same song choices for the soundtrack these past few episodes? It's like the other half of the soundtrack didn't even make it into the show, which is a pity because a lot of those tracks were well made.

[Shadow X]

Just finished downloading the fansub and watched the whole eps.

It is pretty good and I don't really think Raki ruin the eps.

Now now, I only wonder what will happen to Raki next... can't wait for the next eps. :D

[superzombie23]

SZ...your episode 23 version WITHOUT RAKI...does it have the scene where Helen calls Raki an idiot...I mean "brat"?:heh:

Nope :(...

[Hikapo]

I just voted a 6...because Raki ruined everything again. Why Raki wont you make me vote a 10??

I also noticed the increase of people who voted for 1 from last episode. :heh:

because most people watched the manga and didnt want the anime to diverge from the manga so they voted painful ^^

but hey this anime is for people to enjoy, why is everyone hating?

[Shadow X]

because most people watched the manga and didnt want the anime to diverge from the manga so they voted painful ^^

but hey this anime is for people to enjoy, why is everyone hating?

I watch both anime and manga. People who read the manga should know this will happen sooner or later lol.

[ErianMyra]

So does anyone think that Priscilla was reacting to what she recognized as Teresa? Who she was a)scared of or b)not expecting?Yeah, that's my two cents.:heh:

[neutralizer]

So does anyone think that Priscilla was reacting to what she recognized as Teresa? Who she was a)scared of or b)not expecting?Yeah, that's my two cents.:heh:

I would think a bit of both, since Priscilla killed Teresa, but also that Teresa was strong, strong enough to beat Priscilla, driving her to awaken.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I think she is scared. Afterall, in her last mission as a Claymore, she only experienced fear at Theresa's hand, nothing else.

[foshade]

Hi umm I've never read the manga andneverwill maybe when i am 80 and dieing anyways being an anime watcher only and no spoilers for me! i enjoy the episode, i follow through the anime without being spoil by manga or other stuff... this anime is by far great and unique, it get you right into the feel of the battle. and one more thing stop comparing anime to manga!! so what if everything not exactly the same, being a non-manga reader i feel the anime is complete and coming to a good end!

[Cruel]

That was such an awesome episode!

This episode delivered quite well! Raki did make me angry. He should realize that if Clare saw him she could have been killed the moment she looked at him... Anyways, I'm hoping Clare can turn back. But obviously, I hope she fully awakens for her fight with Isely! I really want to see clare's fully awakened self! xD

[hollywoodlou]

That was such an awesome episode!

This episode delivered quite well! Raki did make me angry. He should realize that if Clare saw him she could have been killed the moment she looked at him... Anyways, I'm hoping Clare can turn back. But obviously, I hope she fully awakens for her fight with Isely! I really want to see clare's fully awakened self! xD

The nightmare's not over. I have no clue why Helen didn;t strangle Raki while he was crying like a sissy.

Clare's ready to rock right after chopping Rigald to pieces.

[superzombie23]

Your edits were pretty good but 1 or 2 of them were a bit obvious. Nicely done though.

:heh: Thx. I tried my best with what was animated.

[Bikerider]

HEY !! no one has mentioned that Tabitha and Cynthia are getting face time.

[ErianMyra]

What...you mean pigtail one and ponytail two?

[hollywoodlou]

ponytail would be Veronica. Those 2 look the same anyways.

[ShilienKnight]

ive just watched ep23.it was awesome!even Raki wasnt so bad.Easley was the bigest annoyance.why the hell he is going to that town anyway?looks like next ep gonna be even better.BTW, how Jeane managed to survive?it took more damaged then Flora hadnt she?

[ErianMyra]

Flora was split top to bottom, while Jeanne was "merely" eviscerated. Flora's injury was probably more along the lines of "immediate death."

[DarkSide Hero]

Hi umm I've never read the manga andneverwill maybe when i am 80 and dieing anyways being an anime watcher only and no spoilers for me! i enjoy the episode, i follow through the anime without being spoil by manga or other stuff... this anime is by far great and unique, it get you right into the feel of the battle. and one more thing stop comparing anime to manga!! so what if everything not exactly the same, being a non-manga reader i feel the anime is complete and coming to a good end!

Are you sure? You should give it a try; otherwise its like praying to god while being atheist, what sense does that make?:confused:

[elfe]

That was a good episode. It was good to see Helen get some more screentime, although I half expected her to smack Raki upside the head.

[stormy001_M1A2]

I think she would, off screen. She has that kind of character in her.

[Jechtsphere]

I gave it a 7/10 for the fact they are going away from the manga but it was bound to happen as the anime ends at season 1 I think.

They should of followed the manga more but that's me.

Wasn't a bad ep and despite changes it was handled well so I still enjoyed it.

[F3rNanD3s]

another FANTASTIC Claymore episode !!!! Forget about the issue of deviation from manga.....

This Claymore anime series in definitely in a league of its own !!!

and oMFg... why could there be so many Painful ratings in the poll.... what hypocrites !!! obviously enjoyed the epi thoroughly and yet doesnt gave credits to them..... you guys deserved a bashing from Clare. oH no... for lowly lifeforms, Raki is more than enuf for u all. dammmm!

okay enuff.
back to the story,
David vs Goliath
think having Teresa flesh n blood in Clare's body really made her a 'special' one from others.
Teresa's powerful yoki does help Clare to be able to fight Rigardo on the same level as he was forced to power up n fight her seriusly.
Rigardo was killed off in a same way as Teresa i supposed.
Caught offguard and stunned by the Clare's sudden increased power and how she could adapt to her lightning pace in a short period.

The lightning-paced battle was another highlight of this episode....

just brilliant !!!

[neutralizer]

HQ Claymore 23 NO filler. Get it here! (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6FW2TEN3) XVID: Here (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=CXRZ1N9O)

For the people who are pissed about Raki being in Pieta or the interruptions, this is as realistic as it gets for an episode to adapt the manga correctly as if it aired on TV, and it's just for you or anime-only watchers that are curious. Have fun with it, and thank you for making the subs in the first place Eclipse :p (I used their .ass subs from their h264) Sadly, 23 is the last episode I can edit since the next episode seems to be in its own little world now. Please make some comments about it. It seems like it may take a while for a lot of people to see this, but I'll just say that this is much better than the original Madhouse episode in terms of getting the fight done with more excitement imo. I don't know when I'll do a "Final version" combining the recent episodes I edited before, 21 & 22. One more thing I have to mention is that Madhouse made it pretty easy for me to edit... kind of. It was like they intended to have these manga scenes there, but just added music and other crap scenes in between. If I was in complete control of the music, I could easily combine and take out every scene possible and make it exactly like the manga, but that's something no one can really do. My point is that Madhouse still respected the manga panels because they were still in the anime, but just left them in a big field of poo poo that I had to clean up. It would be impossible to do this type of editing with most anime out there, but Madhouse made it possible with Claymore. I was getting the vibe after editing these few episodes that It's as if Madhouse watched it w/o the filler themselves, THEN they added the filler in between or onto the scenes themselves, in parts where things seemed like they froze or a sword swing just started, or in-between 2 frames where the animation is actually CONTINUOUS over that space of filler. It's pretty unique filler if you ask me, and that type of filler is probably the most annoying to come across.
Here (http://rapidshare.com/files/53520660/funny2.mp4.html)'s a little treat that no one made a comment about in my last posts... -.-

Nice job. Not sure if its your awesome cutting or the way Madhouse made it, but the fight scenes all seemed seamless. It looked great. I was wondering whether why you removed the part where Ligardo throws the statue at Clare.

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

It was a great episode, while the deviation from the manga is disappointing, its still very good and interesting to watch. I can't wait for next weeks episode, looks like there will be a lot of kick arse action.

[superzombie23]

Nice job. Not sure if its your awesome cutting or the way Madhouse made it, but the fight scenes all seemed seamless. It looked great. I was wondering whether why you removed the part where Ligardo throws the statue at Clare.

I did remove that part because it just seemed idiotic to me, or it wasn't in the manga (Simba Power up = nono). I included the end part of it though to substantiate the flow of the scene before to that part. ANd, it was definitely thx to Madhouse that I was able to cut it and make it look seamless. They kept the flow of the manga in the episode, but just added crap in between. Still, it's kind of hard to make it seamless in some parts.

[neutralizer]

I did remove that part because it just seemed pointless to me, or it wasn't in the manga (Simba Power up = nono). I included the end part of it though to substantiate the flow of the scene before to that part. ANd, it was definitely thx to Madhouse that I was able to cut it and make it look seamless. They kept the flow of the manga in the episode, but just added crap in between. Still, it's kind of hard to make it seamless in some parts.

Don't worry. It looked seamless to me. Actually, I was lost into the awesomeness of the fight. Good job! :D

[superzombie23]

Don't worry. It looked seamless to me. Actually, I was lost into the awesomeness of the fight. Good job! :D

Thank you. I'm glad you liked it :p

[ichigoismyhomie]

i can't wait for next episode.....it seems like the ending gonna be anime-original storyline........

[Shadow X]

i can't wait for next episode.....it seems like the ending gonna be anime-original storyline........

Same for me, I can't wait for another week. :frustrated:

[bur]

another roller coaster ride. clare showed some amazing
resilient thru the intense fight...

[zhoutai753]

Great episode

Clare was pretty lucky, i thought Raki would have called out to Clare given the first possible moment, thus distracting her. Who knows what may have happened, but im really suprised he didnt given his nature.

[ShilienKnight]

i bet 10 euro that ep 24 gonna be alot better,unless raki gonna spoil all the fun or Easley wount arrive to city

[Shadow X]

Great episode

Clare was pretty lucky, i thought Raki would have called out to Clare given the first possible moment, thus distracting her. Who knows what may have happened, but im really suprised he didnt given his nature.

Same goes for me, I thought he would like shout 'CLAREEEEEE'. Surprising he didn't haha.

[ShilienKnight]

Same goes for me, I thought he would like shout 'CLAREEEEEE'. Surprising he didn't haha.

Probably Helen shut him down when they werent on the screen :)

[PGilis]

Hey, guys. You are complaining about Raki too much. :)

Just think: Why in a shounen series the main character's love interest would appear in the last episodes of the series? For the obligatory Love Scene, obviously!

And why is Raki crying yet again? Well, would YOU want to lock lips with Clare right now? :p

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Claymore/Claymore%20-%2023%20-%20Large%2029.jpg

And surely just a hug will not bring her back from awaking, this time. No wonder he's crying... :heh:

[Cococokie]

6/10 for this poor episode.

[DazarGaidin]

Hey, guys. You are complaining about Raki too much. :)

Just think: Why in a shounen series the main character's love interest would appear in the last episodes of the series? For the obligatory Love Scene, obviously!

And why is Raki crying yet again? Well, would YOU want to lock lips with Clare right now? :p

http://randomc.animeblogger.net/image/Claymore/Claymore%20-%2023%20-%20Large%2029.jpg

And surely just a hug will not bring her back from awaking, this time. No wonder he's crying... :heh:

Id still hit it lol

not really...

[Defiled one]

^ Such horrible, horrible lies.

[Sinestra]

8 out 10 not to bad if you ask me i have no real compliants except that interludes with Raki seemd off because of the fighting took away from the focus of the fight. Other than that i liked it and i dont think Raki is all that bad.

Im still wondering what the Hell Isley is trying to accomplish with Raki and Pricillia. He doesnt seem to want to kill him , i guess that he just wants someone around who Pricillia actaully likes. Either way when her Clare and Raki all meet up shit is going to fly

[potchip]

Right now the difference between the manga and the anime would be like between an OVA and a 40 episode series made out of that OVA's success. Or a feature film and a TV series loosly based on the aforementioned film. The point being, one had purpose, the other's purpose is just to exist for the hell of it.

I'm sure anime viewers would enjoy this series regardless of its current deviation from the printed medium, however I cannot but feel a tinge of sadness that ultimately the animated form did not live up to the expectations formed from reading the manga. The additional scenes seems cluttered and unedited, they do not contribute to a unified explanation of the story but merely confuses(or rather, more appropriate word would be flooding) viewers with random (as in, do not stand up to scrutiny on a second thought) developments.

[lightbringer]

To be, the additional scenes seems cluttered and unedited, they do not contribute to a unified explanation of the story but merely confuses(or rather, more appropriate word would be flooding) viewers with random (as in, do not stand up to scruntiny on a second thought) developments.

Like Raki walking right into the midst of battle in a town currently still under attack by two-score Yoma / Awakened Beings.

[Anh_Minh]

No it's not. For reasons unknown, Simba pulled his troops back before making his entrance. They're currently busy having a brew up or something.

[emu777]

No it's not. For reasons unknown, Simba pulled his troops back before making his entrance. They're currently busy having a brew up or something.


And NATURALLY none of them see raki entering the town:rolleyes:, in either case it will be very interesting to see clare/ raki's reaction to each other when they finally interact, that and to see how crazy things will become when isley shows up with priscilla:D

[ShilienKnight]

No it's not. For reasons unknown, Simba pulled his troops back before making his entrance. They're currently busy having a brew up or something.

Well,i think,lion king wanted to make things faster so he came by him self,cuz they already lost 3 awakened beings as i recall

[Scep]

Well, he obviously wanted to take all the credit for himself, that selfish simba.

Anyway, in the first place, didnt raki come to the conclusion that clare was a AB too fast? I mean, hell, all easely said was verbal, he never described what ABs looked like. For hells sake, that could have been a prosthetic leg that clare fitted while raki was on his holiday =O The only impression he had of ABs were that they ate guts. Not that Clare looked like it.

[Seska]

because most people watched the manga and didnt want the anime to diverge from the manga so they voted painful ^^

but hey this anime is for people to enjoy, why is everyone hating?

You get it wrong, all the Lovers of this Anime don't need to post here. What here you see is only a pike of the Viewers worldwide... and only people that don't like something in the Anime or Manga write painful things :)

[BrokenWingz]

8/10

Few things I didn't like.
-Reuse of some battle scenes and seeing the same building get slashed in half twice. Not sure if Rigard used the same line in the manga "It seems you will not be able to save your friend (Helen) this time".

THings I did like.
-Battle was good, music was a plus and the flashbacks were used at the right times.

[Seska]

ive just watched ep23.it was awesome!even Raki wasnt so bad.Easley was the bigest annoyance.why the hell he is going to that town anyway?looks like next ep gonna be even better.BTW, how Jeane managed to survive?it took more damaged then Flora hadnt she?

easy, Flora was not an Half-awakened Claymore...

[Mr Hat and Clogs]

Didnt Clare, when she was awakening the first time in tha church, tell Raki that she was awakening. Coupling that with what Easley said, and Helen, and that he knows Claymore's are half Yoma I don't think its to big a stretch for him to put two and two together. Give the boy some credit.

[cors8]

easy, Flora was not an Half-awakened Claymore...

Not to mention Flora got sliced in half....

[Seska]

Not to mention Flora got sliced in half....

Deneve lost her left Shoulder with the Arm... She survived.
She got ripp some big huge flesh out of her body. She survived
She got hit from the nailwapons of Simba, she is "surviving"...

But you got a point. Simba began with the Head... and If you got heavy injured into the head, or lost it. thats the end.... Well, not for Riful...

[cors8]

Deneve lost her left Shoulder with the Arm... She survived.
She got ripp some big huge flesh out of her body. She survived
She got hit from the nailwapons of Simba, she is "surviving"...

But you got a point. Simba began with the Head... and If you got heavy injured into the head, or lost it. thats the end.... Well, not for Riful...

Deneve is also a defensive type with super regeneration.......

[Riful]

Well, let's put this way... after 20 breath-taking episodes, is pretty normal they would not have more big surprises or cliffhangers to amaze us. Unfortunately they already spent all the great ideas they had. But maybe they still got a little surprise to us in their hands.

No, that's not true. Madhouse didn't have any great ideas anyway, since it's all Norihiro Yagi who made the story up and he still DOES have more surprises and cliffhangers. But Madhouse decided to remove them. In order to have a close ending. Fine with me, BUT they did replace them with some poor clichee storylines.

If they can't think of a creative and interesting ending, I prefer to have an open/cliffhanger ending. I simply feel a close ending is not worth replacing an interesting storyline with something that seems like they really didn't bother.

"It's dangerous here kiddie" - "No, Let me go, I will meet Clare ... because ... because ... well just so that I can see her awakened form and be shocked" .......... "And I promised blabla to meet again alive blabla" .... "and the reason I know that she's here ... well some town guy told me, he ought to know about Claymores and their rankings and all, so I trust him and went all the way here"

That's simply poorly written. Like they don't really care. They really could have tried a bit harder to think of a convincing storyline.

[Deathkillz]

pretty awesome ep imo and from a pure anime perspective i liked it a lot :D
seeing the captains getting picked off one by one ~ pff flora seemed the most useless here ~ even undine "tried" flora could have at least went out with a bang *sigh*
funny thing about mr lion king is why the heck he isnt killing the "weaklings" ~ clare may seem like a bug but his attitude is just arrogant (i for one would have just killed all that got in my way but his ego is through the roof XD)

cant wait to see how the next mighty beast is gonna fall...clare at the end seems like she was able to release 100% of her powers yet still remaining human...

edit: oops posted in the wrong thread XD

[miroku2192]

Im looking over the comments that are posted in this thread...and it seems that the anime is going to be say...a whole lot different from the manga? So does that mean i can just go ahead and follow the manga, until chapter 73 and then watch the anime nad still be surprised? or is it still following hte manga a bit?

[Defiled one]

Im looking over the comments that are posted in this thread...and it seems that the anime is going to be say...a whole lot different from the manga? So does that mean i can just go ahead and follow the manga, until chapter 73 and then watch the anime nad still be surprised? or is it still following hte manga a bit?

^Wait a while. In the next episode I´ll know for sure if it deviates...Who am I kidding it´already deviated.

Personnal fact. Start the manga from the beginning. It´s something very differen´t

[Goofus Maximus]

pretty awesome ep imo and from a pure anime perspective i liked it a lot :D
seeing the captains getting picked off one by one ~ pff flora seemed the most useless here ~ even undine "tried" flora could have at least went out with a bang *sigh*
funny thing about mr lion king is why the heck he isnt killing the "weaklings" ~ clare may seem like a bug but his attitude is just arrogant (i for one would have just killed all that got in my way but his ego is through the roof XD)

cant wait to see how the next mighty beast is gonna fall...clare at the end seems like she was able to release 100% of her powers yet still remaining human...


Mr. Lion King likes a challenge more than anything else. He'll let his "troops" clean up after him, later. He's a classic adrenaline junky.

I think, at the end, he would have married Clare, if he could have.

[Defiled one]

I think, at the end, he would have married Clare, if he could have.

If he survived Mr lion wouldn´t let go of Clare:rolleyes: Flowers, Poems, Guts, Midnight singing with some Youmas playing violas and wearing big thick mustaches.

[Fenrir_valindri]

I loled :D Rigaldo romancing an Awakened Clare.

/finds a corner to laugh his ass off in.

[emu777]

If he survived Mr lion wouldn´t let go of Clare:rolleyes: Flowers, Poems, Guts, Midnight singing with some Youmas playing violas and wearing big thick mustaches.

And of course clare with a Sac full of catnip to keep Rigald "in the mood":D, then raki will probably be the odd man out....or he can be the family pet:heh:

[Defiled one]

And of course clare with a Sac full of catnip to keep Rigald "in the mood":D, then raki will probably be the odd man out....or he can be the family pet:heh:

Clare doesn´t need catnip, her scent is catnip. :rolleyes:

[Deathkillz]

watched this ep for real this time XD
whow shocking end to mr lion king O.O wonder if clare was just lucky or was it true overwhelming power :rolleyes: imo she should have lost her mind to her yoma side by the end of this but that is nothing raki cant fix...the power of love :rolleyes:

[Riful]

imo she should have lost her mind to her yoma side by the end of this but that is nothing raki cant fix...the power of love :rolleyes:

It better not be that way, can't be more clicheed than that. Even after what they've done until now can't believe madhouse will go THAT far.

Im looking over the comments that are posted in this thread...and it seems that the anime is going to be say...a whole lot different from the manga? So does that mean i can just go ahead and follow the manga, until chapter 73 and then watch the anime nad still be surprised? or is it still following hte manga a bit?

I don't really understand what you mean, but it's rather the other way round. If you watch the anime you can still read the manga and be surprised. And be awed at how much better it is :D But yes, you should read the manga from the beginning. There are quite a few parts that have been left out all along the way.

[ashesatdusk]

Tne one thing I'm wondering if Mad house does a completely Original ending... Is if they have clare fully awakend how strong of a Awakened Being would she be? Its indicated by Riful that normally lower number Claymores also become weaker Awakend Beings, hence why she wants single digits to awaken. However, Clare is interesting because she's not from yoma blood but teresa's would she have the power of teresa awakened? Of course if Mad house does an awakened clare v.s Priscilla I'd expect so...
Mad house seems to put forth an idea that Awakened beings retain some of there humanity a bit more than the manga portrays in their portrayal of Priscilla and Eisley.

[Weird D]

Don't mean no disrespect, but have you even read the manga? Everything you just said tells me that you didn't.


None taken, I did read the manga however. I just have a have a rather screwed up perception of things.

I'll try to make my opinion short since it will probably get me flamed worse than Raki ever was.
Manga version : Clare used her awakened arm as a pivot and a brake. Forgive me the analogy, but it's like Naruto using a clone to do a Rasengan : a crutch to make things usable but not real control. Also, Simba only got in deep shit after that arm awoke. It means to me that even though she won, Clare has a way to go before taking on Priscilla, which is more realistic to me
Anime version : since she didn't need to awaken her arms and Simba fought more seriously, Clare is stronger (or as I saw it earlier, Simba's weaker) and that drawn out fight makes her look closer to Priscilla's strenght, in anticipation for the next confrontation.

Due to this, the manga version does seem more epic to me, while the anime has to rush things a bit to give a real conclusion.

End of another lame attempt to explain myself :bow:

[Sci-Fi]

Im looking over the comments that are posted in this thread...and it seems that the anime is going to be say...a whole lot different from the manga? So does that mean i can just go ahead and follow the manga, until chapter 73 and then watch the anime nad still be surprised? or is it still following hte manga a bit?

"So Far", the Claymore parts are mostly intact with slight variations and omissions (due to the apparent end of the anime in a few more episodes...why introduce new characters if you caught up to the manga and don't plan on a 2nd season?). However, the next episode previews suggest a whole new storyline/direction for the Claymore anime story.

In this episode, pay close attention to what Rigardo says during his fight with Clare and what it reminded him of. The animators held back showing one or two of Clare's powerups, so expect to see that later.

If the animators do it right, it should be a satisfing end to the series. If they mess up and show some sappy ending, then people will complain even more.

There's always the manga to read after the anime if finished. The current story arc is very interesting and equally troubling to those Claymore fans that like to keep a few of the big haired Claymores around/alive.

[FlareKnight]

Really where did Rigardo pull back the troops to? Some other continent. Amazing that Raki can just ride on into town without running into any. I mean if Simba is fighting all the good opponents and a happy meal is riding on through I'd go and grab a snack while waiting.

Just Rigardo's way to take out the strong ones and let the army clean up the trash. Though obviously his policy of just going after the strong ones came to bite him badly in the end. If he'd taken out Clare at the start like the others no issues would be had. But in the end all he cared about was great fights. Even dying he was simply impressed with the lengths Clare went to in order to defeat him.

Personally I'd be a bit miffed by the whole thing.

[Seska]

Question: Why can raki ride alone and unharmed into Pieta, where the Big Fight is going on? Where are the previous ABs?
Answer: Isley :)

FunAnswer: They have taken a Seat and are watching the fight :)

[whitepearl]

8/10 for me

I'm sure we're all waiting for next week's episode :cool:

[WarBaby2]

FunAnswer: They have taken a Seat and are watching the fight :)

Ah... no, not likely. IF that would been the case Raki would have been picked up as a snack on his way in... I mean, com on, watching THIS match without a snack!? :D

Bye the way, who else got scolded by the mods for SPOILERing? I didn't even post any spoilers lately, just "maybees". *hmpf* Now I'm sad... :(

[Kinematics]

Anyway, in the first place, didnt raki come to the conclusion that clare was a AB too fast? I mean, hell, all easely said was verbal, he never described what ABs looked like. For hells sake, that could have been a prosthetic leg that clare fitted while raki was on his holiday =O The only impression he had of ABs were that they ate guts. Not that Clare looked like it.

No, the flashback memories he had always focused on the yomas' teeth, and that's what he was looking at when he saw Clare (plus the strange change in her legs), thus the conclusion she was awakening.

[Kerin]

I finally had chance to see whole episode and Its excellent as always, Iam only confused about Raki part , but there is something else what I wonder about , when Clare tells to Simba "How you dare .. my Comrades.." and there is flesh of blue light and scene goes to Priscilla and Isi, he asks "What is this power ?" And Priscilla looks almost afraid all of sudden , is it possible that Clare's part of Theresa is revealed to her ? Anyway 10/10 going from me.

[Seska]

Bye the way, who else got scolded by the mods for SPOILERing? I didn't even post any spoilers lately, just "maybees". *hmpf* Now I'm sad... :(

Well, not to be mean. But, i don't think anyone will say something. They are not Medals :).

It seems you understand German... "Wer frei von fehlern ist, der werfe den ersten stein!".... i don't pick up a stone.... :)


I finally had chance to see whole episode and Its excellent as always, Iam only confused about Raki part , but there is something else what I wonder about , when Clare tells to Simba "How you dare .. my Comrades.." and there is flesh of blue light and scene goes to Priscilla and Isi, he asks "What is this power ?" And Priscilla looks almost afraid all of sudden , is it possible that Clare's part of Theresa is revealed to her ? Anyway 10/10 going from me.

It can be, or it can be so that she is afraid, that she sense so strong Yoki.... Well, if even Isley are surprised about this Yoki. What you think would she be? Perhaps this Yoki sensing, awakend her lost memorys of the past... (What was the name for this Illness, to forgotten things?)

[Dorothee]

I finally had chance to see whole episode and Its excellent as always, Iam only confused about Raki part , but there is something else what I wonder about , when Clare tells to Simba "How you dare .. my Comrades.." and there is flesh of blue light and scene goes to Priscilla and Isi, he asks "What is this power ?" And Priscilla looks almost afraid all of sudden , is it possible that Clare's part of Theresa is revealed to her ? Anyway 10/10 going from me.


Well, its pretty obvious to me. Clare just released loads of yoma power, maybe in a different scale or from another source (teresa most likely). That change in her Yoki pattern realized by Isley as well as the fear showed by Priscilla kinda leaves no doubt about it: she recognizes Teresa's yoki, wich probably Clare is releasing right now.
If you watch the prewiev slowly, you'll see that those white lightnings coming out all of a sudden are actually coming from Clare, who is standing in front of that statue (wich kinda serves as a image of someone behind her, Teresa).

Also you can see Priscilla entering the main street of Pieta where the fight is going on, not Isley though. So I am expecting a fight against Priscilla soon enough.

But I really wonder what has Galatea gotta do in all this, considering we can see her beautiness around. Also, will Alicia and Beth suddenly appear? Maybe even Riful and Luciella? Showing Riful in like 3 chapters and not showing her in the end of the anime would be kinda weird, she might come to Pieta to defeat Isley and Priscilla, or who knows!
Cant wait till next wednesday :p

[Kerin]

Wow I guess Priscilla must be realy scared by now *grins*. Cutting Teresa's head and now she feels her again ... next episode is going to be wonderfull,even more that Miss Galatea is going apear again! <3 Galatea. Go Clare Go!

P.S: Guys Iam confused from your posts about that you are sad or mad or angry that Clare did not awaken, or that Jeane survived, huh Iam happy!Do you realy think that good ending is only Hamlet-like ? I dont think so.

[SeijiSensei]

I liked this episode quite a bit, and it's clear now that Madhouse was saving up its budget to animate the fighting sequences in these closing episodes.

That said, I thought the mano-a-mano aspect of the fight between Clare and Rigardo was rather cliched. It's clear that not all the other Claymores are so injured that they could not help; Helen is the prime example. Even accepting that they're not as powerful as Clare has become, wouldn't it have been useful to her if they had attacked Rigardo and distracted him so Clare could zoom in for the kill? As it was, he could simply concentrate on Clare and extend the battle.

I also thought the end was rather abrupt. After all that struggle she suddenly just cuts him to shreds?

I still gave this one a nine, though. One of the better episodes since the Riful arc.

[Seska]

P.S: Guys Iam confused from your posts about that you are sad or mad or angry that Clare did not awaken, or that Jeane survived, huh Iam happy!Do you realy think that good ending is only Hamlet-like ? I dont think so.

Well, they are Manga readers, and they hope to see their favorite scene animated. But the Anime Claymore is copyright by Madhouse and they can do with it, what they want :)
and yes, seems like they used Rigaldo as foreplay for the big fight... that never happen in the Manga... they are confused like you.

[cf18]

Well, its pretty obvious to me. Clare just released loads of yoma power, maybe in a different scale or from another source (teresa most likely). That change in her Yoki pattern realized by Isley as well as the fear showed by Priscilla kinda leaves no doubt about it: she recognizes Teresa's yoki, wich probably Clare is releasing right now.


Clare's yuki always had Teresa's signature. It was why Irene seek out Clare because it was familar to her. Now it just become strong enough for Priscilla to remember.

[Dorothee]

Clare's yuki always had Teresa's signature. It was why Irene seek out Clare because it was familar to her. Now it just become strong enough for Priscilla to remember.


Thats an assumption you made, in my oppinion. Irene just says that she felt a nostalgic pressence, maybe it was her yoki but who knows, after all she met Clare when she was a little girl. By the time she spoke, Irene recognized her, so I sincerely doubt it was a matter of yoki. I am pretty sure she would have recognized Teresa's yoki with no doubt at all.

[Seska]

Your get a point, because Clare took in Teresas flesh and blood. The only ones possible to remembers the Yoki, are Teresas "Man in Black" guy or some Old "Ladys" well, the Claymore generation of Irene. And we know what happened...in the awaken phase of Pricilla...

edit: And there are nearly no one alive, that saw Teresa going over 10% Usage.... :) She stand the most time in Human form, with no Yellow Eyes...

[cf18]

Thats an assumption you made, in my oppinion. Irene just says that she felt a nostalgic pressence, maybe it was her yoki but who knows, after all she met Clare when she was a little girl. By the time she spoke, Irene recognized her, so I sincerely doubt it was a matter of yoki. I am pretty sure she would have recognized Teresa's yoki with no doubt at all.

So you think Irene, after hiding from the organization for so many years, would risk exposure over some random Claymore yoki? After recognizing Clare, she also said "so you have Teresa's flash inside you", before Clare saying anything.

[Dorothee]

So you think Irene, after hiding from the organization for so many years, would risk exposure over some random Claymore yoki? After recognizing Clare, she also said "so you have Teresa's flash inside you", before Clare saying anything.

First of all, why would it be a risk. Considering the fact that she pierced Ophelia with no effort at all means she shouldnt be scared about most claymores.

Second, she asks "is the one inside you... Teresa?". Thats a question, it could be that she figured out but watching the entire conversation suggest that she did not know, they were talking about Clare's research about that old event and after hearing from Clare how she talks about Priscilla killing everyone from back then she asks the question. So at least for me, she is not so sure about Teresa being inside her but just a suspicion.

[Fenrir_valindri]

She probably just wanted confirmation, one can never be sure.

and she did put herself at risk, she used the flash-sword, thus making her Yoki detectable, and we all know what happened next.

[cf18]

First of all, why would it be a risk. Considering the fact that she pierced Ophelia with no effort at all means she shouldnt be scared about most claymores.


Of course it is a risk. Why else would she be hiding in the first place? If she run into Rafaela instead she would be dead.

And why wouldn't Clare's yoki and Teresa's yoki have similar signature even when Clare was weak? So far we know all their yoma power came from the yomi flash and blood, and Clare and Teresa share the same yoma flesh, only in different quantity.

[Dorothee]

Of course it is a risk. Why else would she be hiding in the first place? If she run into Rafaela instead she would be dead.

And why wouldn't Clare's yoki and Teresa's yoki have similar signature even when Clare was weak? So far we know all their yoma power came from the yomi flash and blood, and Clare and Teresa share the same yoma flesh, only in different quantity.

It wasnt a risk at all thinking that she can oppose any claymore except few single digits. She wasnt aware of the fact that Rafaela tracked her when she released her yoki using her flash sword, but that has nothing to do with checking who are those two claymores around that she eventually detected.

The only ones alive that could recognize Teresa's yoki are Rafaela, Priscilla and Irene. Rafaela doesnt say a word about it when she meets her. Irene, as proven, just hypothetically asks if Teresa is inside her, as said it could be just to make sure but doesnt really seem like that.
Clare was releasing huge yoki around while fighting Rigardo, Isley and I guess Priscilla too were following the battle on their way to Pieta, however they were only surprised and frightened respectivelly once she releases right before tearing him to pieces wich means either she released even more yoki thus Isley's surprise or that she just releases another pattern of Yoki, a theory supported by Priscilla's sudden reaction.

Not trying to be right or anything, just my thoughts.

[DazarGaidin]

I got the feeling Isley was surprised with the power he was sensing, but teresa was wetting her self because she recognized on some level Teresa's yoki, which invoked the pure fear she felt at Teresa's hand.

[Omfgbbqwtf]

Hm.. Finally watched this episode. Not bad. Diviation from the manga, but I dont mind too much. The fights are pretty good, but they seemed to have ran out of budget so the fight scenes are replaced by a few slashes. 8 + 1 / 10 (since the preview shows Galatea, I decide to add that 1 extra point)

[TheNewbSwordsMan]

I see i am once again in minority, i was also a berserk follower back in the day, and they the anime ended, i stopped following it, life beckoned. The same thing happened is happening with claymore and black lagoon. I continue reading the mangas for a while, but eventually i grew out of it, i LOVED berserk, now i could hardly care even tho its still on goiing and i have a sense of incompletion bc it was a cliff hanger ending sorta, but i have no desire to pick up where i left off years go.

Im GLAD that madhouse is doing an original anime ending for this chapter of the anime, you guys do realise its been 6 years this manga has been going on and only enough materialy for 26 chapters of anime, maybe 30 if they really wanted to stretch it. It'll be another 6 years atleast before any new anime comes out, and i will probably stop reading the manga in 2 or so years, by the time the next anime comes out, i'll be 34, and my son will be 8 and my daughter will be 6, i sincerely doubt i will even care if claymore is still alive and living, for right now, im glad for an original ending and not a cliff hanger, if i want to follow the episode and pick up half a decade from now, i'll have the option, but right now, all i want is some sort of closure, thank you madhouse.

[Guido]

This was a cool ride of an episode, although I was a bit of a letdown reading several people's complaints when the images were released at the start of the thread.

You see, people, I am one of many or some guys out there that sees the anime and manga different from each other; different media, therefore, different formats.

I pretty think this episode holds on its own as it diverged from the manga chapters that were adapted from, but still kept the spirit of the manga within.

The scope is the same as the manga.

Clare is pushing beyond her limits in order to get more power because she was weak and useless at preventing Flora and Jean from getting killed, which open her wound about how useless she was to prevent Teresa's death.

The interesting comparison that I can draw for the animators to let Raki reach Pieta at the midst of the fight is that he in the present is put on the same shoes as Clare was in the past, although the circumstances are pretty much different.

One forcing herself to a controlled awakening little by little to kill at any price the monster that took everything that meant dear to her because she was weak at the time. While the other sucumbing to hopelessness because he's losing his precious person due that he's weak.

The message is clear in the Claymore-verse: weakness is the worst of all sins. It leaves a trail of tragedy, bloodshed, and sadness.


Nevertheless, I quite enjoyed the smackdown.

This was more like hybrid between DBZ and Samurai X, but, of course, with the strong influences of the former.

Clare at berserk-controlled speed crashing through buildings in order to mow down Rigald.

Rigald going apeshit with his youki release on the same manner as DBZ's Broly does with his chi when he starts rampaging.


Yes, I'm as well a little bit dissapointed that Raki reached Pieta while Rigald and Clare were going after each other's throats, but thankfully he simply could not do anything. Obviously, they wanted to slow down the ending of the fight, but having him at hopelessness felt quite lagged; well, Raki haters likely were rejoicing....

at Helen calling him an annoyance.


After having read for about ten times the third Claymore extra chapter, my gut feeling tells me that Raki would be playing a critical role for the climax.

Would he be one to make Clare return to normal, as everyone is fearing and dreading?


Or why not that he chooses to become the sacrifice for Priscilla?

I definitely liked Defiled One's speculation and hypothesis for the way Priscilla was behaving in the third extra manga chapter.

I think that Raki would also be witness to the monstrous smackdown between Clare against Priscilla, because everyone watched at how Priscilla became shocked when sensing Clare's youki.

What I think would likely happen towards the conclusion of that apocalyptic showdown would be that maybe after turning Pieta into a wrecked hole Priscilla would notice Raki somewhere lying among the debris.

Either she becomes imperially fucked-up and wishes to chop everyone's heads or chooses to give in the fight and make Raki her first priority to retrieve him for his welfare and fly away with him.

Isley likely would bury the whole town under the snow or blow it up to kill the surviving Claymores. Even at near-Awakening Clare's still a 100-light-years to kill an Abyssal One.

Clare would be within a point-of-no-return having lost her chance to revenge Teresa at the moment and add that the boy is at the hands of her hateful enemy, will make her succumb.

Fortunately, if they still be following the manga then that person will..... <spoiler>

[cf18]

Im GLAD that madhouse is doing an original anime ending for this chapter of the anime, you guys do realise its been 6 years this manga has been going on and only enough materialy for 26 chapters of anime, maybe 30 if they really wanted to stretch it. It'll be another 6 years atleast before any new anime comes out

I understand how you feel. I have followed Guyver on and off for more than 20 years and it is still not close to finish. The latest chapters of two battles in parallel already lasted more than 2 years of our time.

[Zilveari]

Gave it a 1 again. I don't like original anime endings, an I don't like the direction they are taking this one.

We'll see if they can change my mind by the end.

[neutralizer]

Gave it a 1 again. I don't like original anime endings, an I don't like the direction they are taking this one.

We'll see if they can change my mind by the end.

:eyebrow: 1, eh? I don't think it deserves a 1, but it's your opinion. Personally, if an episode got that bad, I would stop watching it, but not liking the storyline shouldn't meant that the episode gets a 1.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Well it is a free place. People can express how they want it to be. Like it or not, Claymore anime is shrouded with a lot of controversy especially manga versus anime adaptation issues. If he sees it fit to get one then so be it.

[chibamonster]

I liked how raki freaked out when he saw clare's awakened legs. I also liked how Priscilla flipped when Clare released the Teresa Youki inside of her. That's right little girl! FEAR THE TERESA INSIDE! They definitely did a good job with rigard. He's hardcore. I even liked the sound effect of Clare's little hooves. Also how she hit the buildings like she was in a pinball machine. Ding ding ding!

[WarBaby2]

Well, not to be mean. But, i don't think anyone will say something. They are not Medals :).

It seems you understand German... "Wer frei von fehlern ist, der werfe den ersten stein!".... i don't pick up a stone.... :)

Bet on it (bin Ösi). ;) However - "Die Leute sind hald mal wieder päbstlicher als der Bayer, ähm, Pabst." - who cares? I simply will not use any SPOILER tags from now on, I will write my spoilers directly! *giggle*JK

[Sarugaki]

I liked how raki freaked out when he saw clare's awakened legs. I also liked how Priscilla flipped when Clare released the Teresa Youki inside of her. That's right little girl! FEAR THE TERESA INSIDE! They definitely did a good job with rigard. He's hardcore. I even liked the sound effect of Clare's little hooves. Also how she hit the buildings like she was in a pinball machine. Ding ding ding!

what's youki ?

[PGilis]

Youki = Youma's Ki or Life Force. It's the energy emained by those who have Youma powers, like Youmas, Claymores and Awaked Ones. :)

After 23 episodes, you still don't know that? :heh:

[superzombie23]

Youki = Youma's Ki or Life Force. It's the energy emained by those who have Youma powers, like Youmas, Claymores and Awaked Ones. :)

After 23 episodes, you still don't know that? :heh:

After watching Inuyasha, it's hard-coded into my brain...

[Shadow X]

Upon watching eps 23 for the second time, I notice there are more Claymore who survived.

Don't you guys think so too? o_O

[superzombie23]

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[PGilis]

After watching Inuyasha, it's hard-coded into my brain...

Could be worse. You could have marathoned 20+ episodes of Naruto in one sit. Your brain would be severely damaged. :p :eyespin:


Upon watching eps 23 for the second time, I notice there are more Claymore who survived.

Don't you guys think so too? o_O

That's true. Maybe they were all hurted too, during the fight with the AOs.

Or maybe they're tried to protect Miria against Ligardes between scenes on episodes 21-22 and got bitchslapped too?

[ShilienKnight]

how many there were in the begining?24 if remeber right.but ive seen only about 10 or so :/

[Bikerider]

The "triage" scene with the claymores in the building, hiding / recovering has 13 claymores. Then there's Helen and Clare outside for a total of 15 claymores still alive.

[Claymore_Obsessed]

Let's pretend I am Rigardo, just for a minute.

Claire is fighting on par with me... and she's getting stronger and stronger, faster and faster, even if she has been crashing into buildings all day long.

So, what do I do?

First of all, a DBZ-ish power-up for good measure; and then I think to myself:
"what's the best way to kill her? Throwing a pillar at her, of course! :thinker:"
How superb! Not. :(

[ShilienKnight]

Let's pretend I am Rigardo, just for a minute.

Claire is fighting on par with me... and she's getting stronger and stronger, faster and faster, even if she has been crashing into buildings all day long.

So, what do I do?

First of all, a DBZ-ish power-up for good measure; and then I think to myself:
"what's the best way to kill her? Throwing a pillar at her, of course! :thinker:"
How superb! Not. :(

well,at that time this was the best idea since she was trapped inside a building,and that pillar which he throwed would killed her inside it,if she wasnt so fast.BTW nice nick :D

[Riful]

btw, Tabitha has the same voice actor as Veronica :sad:

[syniel]

Personally the out come doesn't seem that different, Clare one the fight against rigaldo, at the expense of nearly awakening. Her legs were showed as awakened early on. The fight however was dragged out a bit. and the last few episodes really the events within Pieta don't seem that different from the manga, other than they' haven't followed on screen panel to panel. The major changes were events out side of pieta that happened during the northern campaign.



I think I agree. I've been keeping up with the manga and the series, both, and from what I saw of the changes done to the anime most of those could be explained away because of the differences in medium. The majority of this show was like the manga, except for the Rako and Priscilla and Easley... and I expect the next show will be much like the manga as well. However, I think they will indeed have to start deviating quite a bit to get the show finished (which is a crying shame because the series is getting SO cool in the manga right now. I think it's actually improving).

[Elandyll]

Two ways that I can think of about how the season could end:

Hiding it as I have included some elements pertaining to what happens in the manga.

#1: After the Ricardo/Ligardess fight, Clare starts awakening. Jean can't help alone, and Raki actually joins the efort to prevent her from totally awakening. Jean dies in the process, but Clare, exhausted, remains human and falls on the ground. Raki cries a lot (of course). Sensing that something is amiss, and seeing Pricilla freaking out, Isley has his army resume the march on Pieta.
Knowing they are "doomed" ;) , Clare and Hellen order Rakito leave via the mountains (the army is advancing on the plain facing Pieta). He finally leaves (still crying), and we then focus on Isley/ Priss counting Yoki's going out one by one.

#2: Clare does not awaken fully, and remain human. She notices Raki, and starts off very pissed at him but eventually they hug etc. Isley calms Pricilla down, and they enter Pieta. Everything leads to a Clare/ Pricilla confrontation (during which Clare awakens all four members), with one of two Claymores insuring that Raki leaves the town. Eventually, All Claymores are "killed". Isley leaves the town (with or without Pricilla, depending on the issue of the Clare fight).

In either case, I can totally see the last scene of the season be a Galatea, nearby in the mountains, having sensed what was hapening, and having a feint smile right after Isley discusses the elimination of all the Claymores in Pieta. Fade to black...

#1 Pro is being closer to the manga, while #2 pro is having a kick-butt Clare/ Pricila fight...

[Nesty]

meh i gave the damn thing a 7 out of 10. alright ep but if your a manga fan, don't bother trying. like someone said more than 60% of it is changed and "important parts" got ruined

[Jinx999]

Why did they alter one of the mangas best fights and keep interuping it with irritating filler?

[Yuu-neko]

Damn! I haven't seen so much action since Dragonball Z!!!

Ahhhh! Cliffhanger!!!

[Shadow X]

Why did they alter one of the mangas best fights and keep interuping it with irritating filler?

I believe that have to do with the anime ending. :)

[Nightbat®]

Boy, took me a while to finally watch it


Ahhhh, what will this forum be peacefull without the "This is not in the Manga" whiners
too bad it took 23 eps to make it so :p

seems like Madhouse at least took some pointers in 'timing'
even the several redundant shots towards Isley anc Co. weren't that bothersome

Clare's awakening seems quite creative, I doubt it wil have the "Wow!" factor of Jean's
but so far more original than Ophelia's Snakeform (is Clare supposed to turn in a mountain goat-Yoma? :D )

Ah, and poor Geraldo, salami in slices! and Disney's next Dark Simba!

Good to see Priscilla getting the nerves from Theresa's old yoki, now if only Clare eats Raki in the last ep
this Anime will be Gold!

[Godly_senselessness]

Whoa,this is the only reason i am terrified of entering these forums.I have been watching the anime and then following up with the Manga later on.I really didn't want to know about Clare's depiction in the manga until i had read it in the manga.Please try not to bring the manga into the anime discussion.

[Seska]

Holy Lord,

Please Guys, this here is the wrong thread, to write the difference between Manga and Anime fight now. You drive out the anime discussion people. What would you thing if you has some favorite Anime that you cannot wait where the next episode come out, and you found something like this here?

[Seska]

Why did they alter one of the mangas best fights and keep interuping it with irritating filler?

Easy, and sorry for my harsh word.

Claymore is copyright from Madhouse.

[Kinematics]

Been giving this some thought, and I think the biggest annoyance for me over the last couple episodes have been the intro parts. It used to be that the intro was a very short bit introducing what was going on, or a very quick recap to let you know where things stand. But lately, the intro has been this minutes-long retelling of the previous episode.

Episode 4 - second half of the Rabona arc. Slight recap, but not a complete repeat. 1:09 intro.

Episode 9. A very major and important intro, all new detail relating to the aftermath of Teresa's death. 1:30.

Episode 13. Big showdown with Ophelia (first time). Barely 30 seconds.

Other episodes tend to be between one and one and a half minutes.

Episode 21. The usual recap stuff, but short and to the point. 0:48.
Episode 22. Complete repeat of scenes from previous episode. 2:26.
Episode 23. Complete repeat of scenes from previous episode. 2:08.

Two. Freaking. Minutes. And not even original material, but wasteful repetition.

Also, all the other episdes' total length is 22:59 to 23:00. Both episodes 22 and 23 shave 10 seconds off of the previously consistent runtime. These episodes are just screaming "Filler!", having to use up close to 2 minutes of episode time each with repetitive material, and then going further with the overly-long Raki scenes in the episodes themselves.

I can see why they'd want to cut off each episode where they did -- Rigardo entering the fight in 21-22, and Clare's awakening in 22-23. The whole cliffhanger deal to keep people interested. With the adjustment for an apparent original ending, they also have to provide enough details about the events surrounding Raki to make it understandable. But there was just so much padding that it was painfully obvious (most people focusing on the extra Raki scenes as sources of complaint).



I will put in that I'm not all that bothered by Rigardo's DBZ-like powerup. One of the things that has really been lacking in the Pieta episodes is color. What absolutely floored me at the beginning of the series was the wonderfully rich use of color in various scenes, from the deep blues of the Rabona night, to the beautifully delicate greenery of the forest in Teresa and Clare's journey, to the rich earthy tones of the valley where the Slashers team fought the awakened. With Pieta being nothing much more than snow and ice, it gets wearisome to watch something that is only barely above black-and-white TV.

While gaudy, the powerups allow them to inject a certain degree and variety of color into the scene, keeping it from being drab and boring. In fact, the Raki interstitials were similar, with the reds and browns of the fire and the cave. That may have even been part of the reasoning for injecting them into the story so frequently (aside from just having to fill time).



Speculation for possible original ending: Consider - the Slashers (partially awakened), Jean (body awakened, returned), Raki's conversation with Easley (can you return to being human after awakening? No.), Clare's progressively more adept control of her own awakened state, and Priscilla's pathetic condition. I think they'll have Clare discover the key to getting an awakened to 'unawaken', returning to full human (or at least Claymore). Clare could pull Jean back because Jean wanted to remain human. I expect they'll do something similar with Priscilla, with Raki providing the voice of Priscilla's hidden humanity (such as it is). After a big fight, of course. Can't have reconcilliation without conflict.

There has been a fairly regular theme throughout the show that, once you've fallen, there's no redemption. The closest any of them came was Ophelia. Clare being the main character is obviously an appropriate one to use as the Christ figure, especially with the 'goddess' background (one of the twin goddesses of love, for that matter, one of whom has already died). Of course if she -is- the Christ figure, that means she has to die as well. Teresa died and was resurrected in Clare. Clare dies and.. well, maybe they'll finally let Deneve discover her secret power to heal/regenerate others or something.

Note: I haven't read any of the "How will it end?" thread. Frankly, I have enough spoilers to deal with in the regular threads that I wouldn't willingly venture into one that's just begging to be rife with them. I've only read the manga up to the very beginning of the Pieta arc (volume 9 release by Viz).

[Souten no Seigyoku]

I believe I figured out part of the Organizations' problem:
Clamores are flawed and make matters worse in the end. Eventually theyll destroy the world. The Organization knows this. That's the secret

Claymores can defeat Youma because theyre stronger, but they're flawed.

Despite the Black Letter System, some eventually awaken and turn into even stronger Youma, and even stronger Claymores are needed to defeat them.

Despite the Black Letter System, some eventually awaken and turn into even stronger Youma, and even stronger Claymores are needed to defeat them.

Despite the Black Letter System, some eventually awaken and turn into even stronger Youma, and even stronger Claymores are needed to defeat them.

Get it...? Its an endless cycle

[Riful]

Kinematics: As always I enjoy your well thought and well written entries ^^

I think Madhouse really did a bad job with the pacing in these last episodes, they just dragged on that whole fight for too long. Why not stop at episode 24 or 25 if they don't have enough material to put in. Or why not put those fillers in a bit more balanced all over the series, instead of all in one fight.

Your idea for the ending sounds convincing, but I seriously do hope it won't finish like that. Having Prissy turn back human thanks to Raki and Clare, would simply be too much of a happy end that doesn't fit the world of Claymore at all. They'd just have to put a "and they lived happily ever after" at the end.

Well, I'm not happy with what madhouse has done so far, their stuff lacks creativity that doesn't live up to the series so far, but I still hope they will not mess up completely and won't make Claymore end like some average shonen show, to be forgotten a few months later. v.v

[Markis]

Finally got to watch this episode and, if a fight against priscilla is anything like this then im not looking forward to it.

[justinstrife]

I gave it an 8. Nothing to do with Raki, as I didn't have a problem at all with his scenes(even the timing was so much better). It just wasn't a GREAT episode(like say some of Theresa's). I'm curious to see how the anime will end, and look forward to it with both excitement and dread(no berserk endings please!)

[superzombie23]

Kinematics: As always I enjoy your well thought and well written entries ^^

I think Madhouse really did a bad job with the pacing in these last episodes, they just dragged on that whole fight for too long. Why not stop at episode 24 or 25 if they don't have enough material to put in. Or why not put those fillers in a bit more balanced all over the series, instead of all in one fight.

Your idea for the ending sounds convincing, but I seriously do hope it won't finish like that. Having Prissy turn back human thanks to Raki and Clare, would simply be too much of a happy end that doesn't fit the world of Claymore at all. They'd just have to put a "and they lived happily ever after" at the end.

Well, I'm not happy with what madhouse has done so far, their stuff lacks creativity that doesn't live up to the series so far, but I still hope they will not mess up completely and won't make Claymore end like some average shonen show, to be forgotten a few months later. v.v

If they end up making it end that way, this anime will suck.

[Mighty_frog]

OMG guys, now im so glad i didnt read the manga because it seems simply the knowledge of the manga progression makes anything different shown in the anime automatically crap.

cmon man, THIS EP ROCKED IMO!!!!!

my buddy and i nearly pissed our pants when Rigardo exploded into a million pieces:heh:
FLASH SWORD FTW!!1!!!1!!!1!

[Kodea]

would simply be too much of a happy end that doesn't fit the world of Claymore at all. They'd just have to put a "and they lived happily ever after" at the end.

Hope they would! Indeed, why not to leave the anime with a happy ending? I've never seen Clare smiling so far ( poor girl ). Don't you want to see her smiling even once? In that case, her death is more predictable, less entertaining and thus a bit inappropriate way to end the anime. :)

[DazarGaidin]

I am up for a pseudo happy ending..like in the end i want clare and raki to survive together. Outside of that, tragedy can befall them and that would be fine lol (in other words everything doesn't have to be mai hime happy in the end)

[Seska]

Well, "they live long and peacefully" cannot apply. Because Claymores dosent age like a Human life span.

[superzombie23]

I don't want a happy ending. I hope it's very tragic.

[BaalChaamon]

Tragic is always good!
This one was ok...of course it hurt to see Raki ruining the flow of the fight scenes..wish Helen would grab him, extend her arms and just chuck him far far far away..oh and punch him unconscious before that too.

Didn't really expect them to leave out the "All-limbs-scene", but whats done is done. Now it looks as if Claire is uberpowerful and our lion-king just a conceited big cat. At least in the manga he had the excuse of being slaughtered in style. Well the outlook for next episode looks promising....

[Riful]

OMG guys, now im so glad i didnt read the manga because it seems simply the knowledge of the manga progression makes anything different shown in the anime automatically crap.

cmon man, THIS EP ROCKED IMO!!!!!

my buddy and i nearly pissed our pants when Rigardo exploded into a million pieces:heh:
FLASH SWORD FTW!!1!!!1!!!1!

Not really, unfortunately I heard quite a few non-manga readers complain about Claymore. Some even consider dropping it. Suppose it depends on what you look for in an anime or how demanding you are (i.e. how many shonen series you've seen already XD ). And unfortunately these people have only complained about anime-only things. That proves to me that Madhouse has already wasted a lot of potential and that the manga is indeed better. (I was anime-only at the beginning, but went ahead and read the manga earlier and I'm glad, I would have missed some great stuff, while the anime was only average to me.)

[superzombie23]

Not really, unfortunately I heard quite a few non-manga readers complain about Claymore. Some even consider dropping it. Suppose it depends on what you look for in an anime or how demanding you are (i.e. how many shonen series you've seen already XD ). And unfortunately these people have only complained about anime-only things. That proves to me that Madhouse has already wasted a lot of potential and that the manga is indeed better. (I was anime-only at the beginning, but went ahead and read the manga earlier and I'm glad, I would have missed some great stuff, while the anime was only average to me.)

If I didn't read the manga before watching the anime, I probably would have been more impressed with the episode. Since I read the manga before unfortunately, I can't help but notice the flaws and awesome scenes that are/will be left out. A word of advice for anime-only viewers, just start reading the manga at chapter 57 b/c that is same spot where the main Pieta fight starts and where the Raki-interruptions start.

[foshade]

I really enjoy the series alot even though i've never red the manga and never will because anime is 10x more better then manga because the music and emotion anime produce is always better. Manga only black and white and doesnt bring you into a different world unless your freaking insane and create your own imaginary world but i rather let the anime do that for me!! so i love this series

[hierophant]

I really enjoy the series alot even though i've never red the manga and never will because anime is 10x more better then manga because the music and emotion anime produce is always better. Manga only black and white and doesnt bring you into a different world unless your freaking insane and create your own imaginary world but i rather let the anime do that for me!! so i love this series

How can you say that without comparing the two?

I generally prefer anime than manga by the same reasons you said, but Claymore's manga is outstanding. Although the 2 have the same story until near the end, I can't help but prefer the manga. I think it is because the manga's art and dynamism is so well done that you can easily see the movements of whatever is happening (unlike many mangas like Saint Seya or Dragonball), not saying that the manga's artwork is so much better than in the anime.

But that don't mean I am not liking the anime, I am enjoying it a lot [:)]. But the changes seen to be going all for the worse.

(You are also forgetting that changes in the original source is almost always bad. It is simply because it diverge from what the creator intended)

The only thing I can't help but wonder is why the hell Isley is in Pieta, and not traveling south.......

[Shadow X]

But that don't mean I am not liking the anime, I am enjoying it a lot [:)]. But the changes seen to be going all for the worse.

foshade doesn't know about the changes between the anime and manga, which is why he is enjoying the anime alot. Most of the people who watch Claymore anime without reading the manga will think that the anime is good IMO.

[superzombie23]

foshade doesn't know about the changes between the anime and manga, which is why he is enjoying the anime alot. Most of the people who watch Claymore anime without reading the manga will think that the anime is good IMO.

Yes, and I don't think his opinion matters b/c he hasn't touched the manga, bad grammar, makes points that aren't supported by facts, and underestimates the power of black and white imagery. A poster mentioned before, the manga is like the BIBLE of Claymore. Don't go dissing the source material...

[hierophant]

foshade doesn't know about the changes between the anime and manga, which is why he is enjoying the anime alot. Most of the people who watch Claymore anime without reading the manga will think that the anime is good IMO.

What I meant is that:
- He is losing by not seeing the manga.
- Seeing the manga don't necessarily make you hating the anime

Yes, and I don't think his opinion matters b/c he hasn't touched the manga, bad grammar, makes points that aren't supported by facts, and underestimates the power of black and white imagery. A poster mentioned before, the manga is like the BIBLE of Claymore. Don't go dissing the source material...

I agree. If you want to tell another story, you should not mess with an existent one.

[Seska]

The only thing I can't help but wonder is why the hell Isley is in Pieta, and not traveling south.......

Well if he starts his Journey far in the North of the land, then he can traveling south :). Thats not a spoiler, its a speculation... :)

[Seska]

I really enjoy the series alot even though i've never red the manga and never will because anime is 10x more better then manga because the music and emotion anime produce is always better. Manga only black and white and doesnt bring you into a different world unless your freaking insane and create your own imaginary world but i rather let the anime do that for me!! so i love this series

Well, we are the generation where we read Disney Comic Books, Marvel Super heroes (X-Man, Superman, Spider-Man etc.etc..) We grown up to reading "our kind of Mangas", TV was expensive (depends where you come from). So we have only our imagine world of Youth.. :) I bet the same or nearly the same, is down in Nippon or anywhere in the world. Paper&Pics don't need education to be enjoyable and add some fantasy/alternate world for children's... And the Children from the past, are now Dads or grown ups.... :) Is like the Rock & Roll generation. Every Generation has their things, just look closely...

I only say, Megaman in Nippon... :)

The World is older then Mankind :)

(No mean to it. It's just my explanation why i need Mangas and Animes...)

[Shadow X]

What I meant is that:
- He is losing by not seeing the manga.

It is true that he will lose alot without reading the manga.

Well at least we have a happy fan here who love this anime instead of going 'UHH NOOO, why this part isn't in the anime when it is the best part of the manga!'. :D

Peace. :heh:

[Anh_Minh]

The only thing I can't help but wonder is why the hell Isley is in Pieta, and not traveling south.......
It's implied somewhere that Pieta is some kind of chokepoint between the north and the rest of the world. So if you're from the north and going south, you pretty much have to pass by there. Though I suppose he could go around the town without going in, but why take the long way?

It also pose the question of why he crossed paths with refugees. Those people evacuated Pieta in a hurry, which means they don't have many supplies... And they decide to go north in what is at best the end of winter? (And at worst, early winter...) Knowing that if they want to leave the cold, inhospitable north after all, they'll have to pass by Pieta again? Are those refugees stupid?

[Seska]

It is true that he will lose alot without reading the manga.

Well at least we have a happy fan here who love this anime instead of going 'UHH NOOO, why this part isn't in the anime when it is the best part of the manga!'. :D

Peace. :heh:


sometimes is not knowing a benediction :) (and you get the Gist, why there is the Spoiler rule here.....)

[Anh_Minh]

Well, we are the generation where we read Disney Comic Books, Marvel Super heroes (X-Man, Superman, Spider-Man etc.etc..) We grown up to reading "our kind of Mangas", TV was expensive (depends where you come from). So we have only our imagine world of Youth.. :) I bet the same or nearly the same, is down in Nippon or anywhere in the world. Paper&Pics don't need education to be enjoyable and add some fantasy/alternate world for children's... And the Children from the past, are now Dads or grown ups.... :) Is like the Rock & Roll generation. Every Generation has their things, just look closely...

Generation has little to do with it. There are plenty of youths today who are able to read actual books, with no pictures in it.

[hierophant]

Well if he starts his Journey far in the North of the land, then he can traveling south :). Thats not a spoiler, its a speculation... :)

It also pose the question of why he crossed paths with refugees. Those people evacuated Pieta in a hurry, which means they don't have many supplies... And they decide to go north in what is at best the end of winter? (And at worst, early winter...) Knowing that if they want to leave the cold, inhospitable north after all, they'll have to pass by Pieta again? Are those refugees stupid?

It make sense.

I posted it as spoiler because my post reveal that Isley's goal is in south, and not staying in the north and fighting for Pieta. That is why I said "a little spoiler about Isley's goal".

[Riful]

It's implied somewhere that Pieta is some kind of chokepoint between the north and the rest of the world. So if you're from the north and going south, you pretty much have to pass by there. Though I suppose he could go around the town without going in, but why take the long way?

It also pose the question of why he crossed paths with refugees. Those people evacuated Pieta in a hurry, which means they don't have many supplies... And they decide to go north in what is at best the end of winter? (And at worst, early winter...) Knowing that if they want to leave the cold, inhospitable north after all, they'll have to pass by Pieta again? Are those refugees stupid?

To me it looks like ... Madhouse didn't think about that really. The refugees were a really poor plot device to get Raki to Pieta -_- It doesn't make sense for them to go north or for them to know about the Claymore's ranking system and the ranks of the Claymores in town.

And having Prissy and Issy go to Pieta makes me fear that they will introduce a plot hole there, but we'll see about that, maybe they actually thought about that a bit and will give him a more convincing reason than "well, we needed an awesome final fight all together in Pieta".

[Nightbat®]

Oh sorry, seems I walked into the [Manga] Spoiler venting thread (about anime) for Claymore (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46914)

My mistake

[Claymore_Obsessed]

I really enjoy the series alot even though i've never red the manga and never will because anime is 10x more better then manga because the music and emotion anime produce is always better. Manga only black and white and doesnt bring you into a different world unless your freaking insane and create your own imaginary world but i rather let the anime do that for me!! so i love this series

well, that would mean that Madhouse crew is freaking insane too, because to create the anime they obviously had to read the manga first, and get their feelings from that :D

[superzombie23]

Oh sorry, seems I walked into the [Manga] Spoiler venting thread (about anime) for Claymore (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=46914)

My mistake

...:heehee:

[Seska]

To me it looks like ... Madhouse didn't think about that really. The refugees were a really poor plot device to get Raki to Pieta -_- It doesn't make sense for them to go north or for them to know about the Claymore's ranking system and the ranks of the Claymores in town.

No, it can be possible... Pieta is surrounded with Mountains. To the South is all ways cut, because of the Youmas. Only the North path is open. East and West are Mountains....

So, go a bit North, then turn East or West to go around the Mountains, to go again South.... Easy now :)

edit: And i don't think that Pieta is the only Town in the North. There are surely a nearby one in the North. Perhaps someones has taken the risk to get there?... You don't need to analyze all little things seriously, it only destroy things...

[Anh_Minh]

The AB come from the North, since they're Isley's people.

And anyway, the townspeople are supposed to have left after the three scouts did their thing, before Pieta's invasion started.

[Riful]

No, it can be possible... Pieta is surrounded with Mountains. To the South is all ways cut, because of the Youmas. Only the North path is open. East and West are Mountains....

So, go a bit North, then turn East or West to go around the Mountains, to go again South.... Easy now :)

edit: And i don't think that Pieta is the only Town in the North. There are surely a nearby one in the North. Perhaps someones has taken the risk to get there?... You don't need to analyze all little things seriously, it only destroy things...

Anh Minh is right.

And Seska, you are right as well, I wouldn't analyze all small things like that, if these small things weren't used for something big and important -> Raki seeing Clare awaken. For me it destroys things if important events are being caused by something that doesn't make sense, because it destroys the whole storyline. It just really feels as if Madhouse didn't bother. "So, how do we get Raki to see Clare awakening? ... we'll just make some refugees tell him, eventhough they don't really have any reason for being there or knowing what they're talking about."

[koishiikun]

Hello people, I'm new here and I cannot post a new thread(?) Anyway, just want to share a music video I made for Clare and Raki. Check it out on Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvh1n-ohdKE. I hope other people would make videos too! Thanks!

[Seska]

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[stormy001_M1A2]

Well one problem for me about Claymore world is, the creator did not give much detail about the world itself, even in manga.

[jtrog]

Someones talking about Hotsprings episodes hehe. Well, in this one they all finally meet up in the city and its really started getting even colder. Battles have taken a toll on all of their bodies but Raki. They are all hiding in buidlings with no doors or windows left. I would say soon as the battle in the city there is over next stop would be the Hotsprings for the remaining ones (if there are any). Besides where better to have Raki end up with someone (if they make it).

Looks perfect to me.
I'd give this one a 9 out of 10 anyway for story progression.

[Twisted Reality]

Anh Minh is right.

And Seska, you are right as well, I wouldn't analyze all small things like that, if these small things weren't used for something big and important -> Raki seeing Clare awaken. For me it destroys things if important events are being caused by something that doesn't make sense, because it destroys the whole storyline. It just really feels as if Madhouse didn't bother. "So, how do we get Raki to see Clare awakening? ... we'll just make some refugees tell him, eventhough they don't really have any reason for being there or knowing what they're talking about."

Banditz231 says:
dude teresa killed all the yoma in teh town

Bandido444 says:
kool

MyFalconSwordR0xx0rs says:
rape and pillage!

Teresa#1 says:
Hax!

[superzombie23]

Well one problem for me about Claymore world is, the creator did not give much detail about the world itself, even in manga.

For some reason, you reminded me of the Slayers series. (Only hard-core anime people know what Slayers is :p.) Slayers pretty much had a world map that made it seem like a FF Rpg, and the scenery such as mountainous terrain, paths, and cities were very detailed, especially in the movies/OVAs. Claymore, when it comes to world details, has nothing on Slayers since the mangaka didn't even make a world map of Claymore, so we have no idea where exactly Rabona, Pieta, ruined cities, Major-trade cities, forest areas, isolated villages, the Org's HQ, and the mountains are. We only know where they are in terms of cardinal directions. Still, the scenery in Claymore is better looking than Slayers', but you have no idea where the hell they are walking around. It would make the anime/manga better if we had a world map, since it would make the scenery more powerful, don't you think?

[gohanhd]

I liked the ep gave it a 8/10. LoL they should give clare the title...."Clare of the Bold Frown" or "Bold frown" for short.:rolleyes: I hope she does not die ugly...if she does die that is.

[Twisted Reality]

Someones talking about Hotsprings episodes hehe. Well, in this one they all finally meet up in the city and its really started getting even colder. Battles have taken a toll on all of their bodies but Raki. They are all hiding in buidlings with no doors or windows left. I would say soon as the battle in the city there is over next stop would be the Hotsprings for the remaining ones (if there are any). Besides where better to have Raki end up with someone (if they make it).

Looks perfect to me.
I'd give this one a 9 out of 10 anyway for story progression.
I actually suggested to my brother (who cannot download things at the strict campus he lives on), that this episode was actually the hot springs episode.

"Yeah, that's right, they find a hot springs nearby and have girl talk."

"Are you being serious?!"

"Oh yeah, as you might imagine, the people on Animesuki Forums were titillated."

*Aughhh* [cynical moan]

All this while the episode title "Critical Limit I" panned onto the screen. Or maybe it was episode 22?

Well whatever, it was hilarious nonetheless.

[Riful]

Banditz231 says:
dude teresa killed all the yoma in teh town

Bandido444 says:
kool

MyFalconSwordR0xx0rs says:
rape and pillage!

Teresa#1 says:
Hax!

MyFalconSwordR0xx0rs XD But not really the same thing imho. Claymore kill Yoma and normal people know about that. So it makes sense for Bandits to attack villages that have just been cleaned up by a Claymore. At least to me that looks a lot more convincing than the Refugees behaving against all logic and knowing things they shouldn't. (Humans are scared of Claymores almost as much as of Yoma, they don't want to know about their organization or ranking system.)

[Sazelyt]

I wish the anime would have sticked to the manga. If the current episode is a good measure for what we should expect for the next few ones, then a really disappointing ending is waiting for us (well, for me, actually) compared to the original one (before anyone mention it, I know the manga hasn't ended yet, I was just using a theoretical approach to the possible original ending). Let's see how long the claymore-gum will keep its fresh taste...

[DazarGaidin]

For some reason, you reminded me of the Slayers series. (Only hard-core anime people know what Slayers is :p.) Slayers pretty much had a world map that made it seem like a FF Rpg, and the scenery such as mountainous terrain, paths, and cities were very detailed, especially in the movies/OVAs. Claymore, when it comes to world details, has nothing on Slayers since the mangaka didn't even make a world map of Claymore, so we have no idea where exactly Rabona, Pieta, ruined cities, Major-trade cities, forest areas, isolated villages, the Org's HQ, and the mountains are. We only know where they are in terms of cardinal directions. Still, the scenery in Claymore is better looking than Slayers', but you have no idea where the hell they are walking around. It would make the anime/manga better if we had a world map, since it would make the scenery more powerful, don't you think?

Yeah, i can't remember if it was this way in the manga or not, but in the anime, did anyone stop to consider that raki would be in a medieval town surrounded by woods or forest one day then in the sahara desert the next? lol

[PGilis]

I wish the anime would have sticked to the manga. If the current episode is a good measure for what we should expect for the next few ones, then a really disappointing ending is waiting for us (well, for me, actually) compared to the original one (before anyone mention it, I know the manga hasn't ended yet, I was just using a theoretical approach to the possible original ending). Let's see how long the claymore-gum will keep its fresh taste...

If they had sticked to the manga, the anime series would not finish anytime sooner. After 6 or so years, the manga is still running, you know. :p

And again, if that would mean more non-filler episodes with Clare, Helen-kun and Miria-neesan... ;)

[Twisted Reality]

MyFalconSwordR0xx0rs XD But not really the same thing imho. Claymore kill Yoma and normal people know about that. So it makes sense for Bandits to attack villages that have just been cleaned up by a Claymore. At least to me that looks a lot more convincing than the Refugees behaving against all logic and knowing things they shouldn't. (Humans are scared of Claymores almost as much as of Yoma, they don't want to know about their organization or ranking system.)
I don't know, it could be inferred that the Organization are throwing everything at the problem and the kitchen sink. Though I think there was a slapworthy moment in there somewhere when Raki went "lowest ranked warrior?" It probably would have been more believable if Raki simply inferred that the Clare would be wherever Claymores turn out in full force.

And in the end, the bandit attack was just a plot device to get Theresa to go against the Organization. There are a lot of incongruities with the bandit attack to start with. Namely that the information is instantly made available the same very same day that Theresa kills the Yoma. The villagers make no attempt to hide this fact, yadda, yadda. The bandits just *burn* everything when it would be more reasonable for them to spare the villagers but rob them blind (or try to install themselves as the local lords). We could go on-and-on.

The how isn't really so important as the why. We can rationalize all these little gaping discontinuities or handwave them somehow. But the general point is that it still undermines believability in the reality presented on-screen. In this case, the human world suffers at the expense of the Claymore's microcosm.

Humans aren't shown to suffer for the Organization's actions -- the social maladjustment and harsh treatment of Claymores take first priority. Nor are we really shown just how humans make a living when Claymores aren't around. In fact, it seems their only purpose is to idle in town squares and then gape at the freak show that wanders into town. Don't these people have day jobs? Shouldn't we see more bustle and less talk? You know, laborers and merchants and people in a hurry? Remember the two kids that stood around the statues of Theresa and Clare? I mean really, is a harsh medieval society really supposed to have a concept of "childhood"? Or shouldn't these kids at least be working around heavy machinery, coal mines, tending the fields/orchard/shop, be in school, working at an apprenticeship or *something*?

[Gooral]

There are a lot of incongruities with the bandit attack to start with. Namely that the information is instantly made available the same very same day that Theresa kills the Yoma. The villagers make no attempt to hide this fact, yadda, yadda. The bandits just *burn* everything when it would be more reasonable for them to spare the villagers but rob them blind (or try to install themselves as the local lords). We could go on-and-on.
It's not that strange that bandits knew immediately that youma were exterminated. They could have there their man, not necessarily as a villager but as a wanderer staying in the inn just like Claymores. Or seeing returning Teresa was enough for them. They had they camp not far away from their target after all.
Also don't measure bandits in human measurement, rational thinking isn't blackguard's strong point. They wanted to rape, burn and kill, it provided them adrenaline, also they didn't kill woman, only villagers. Burning can be explained logically too, they wanted villagers to be occupied in extinguishing fire not fighting them. Last but not least killing everyone who would want revenge is a smart thing to do.
"That looks a lot more convincing than the Refugees behaving against all logic and knowing things they shouldn't." - Riful
Riful, as always You write only smart things, very often things that others missed. If anyone on this forum talks with sense it's You for sure.

[DazarGaidin]

Yeah, my thoughts on the bandit thing was they had been watching/scouting the town out, thats how they knew there was a yoma there to begin with. They also had met teresa and suspected the yoma would be removed soon.

He mentioned that the only reason they didn't attack was because they couldn't tell which person the yoma was, which makes you believe they had someone there trying to find out. why else would they stay in the area if they weren't actively making plans. Teresa just expedited the plans.

There are a lot of ways a message could have been quickly relayed.

Bandits are bandits, they take what they can (loot and women), and the ruthless ones eliminate witnesses and evidence. Clearly they just enjoyed killing too. I'm sure they don't want to settle down and create a kingdom and give some higher power the chance for justice...

[Gooral]

Another person who writes with sense. I also read what You wrote in Extra Chapter 3 discussion (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1140468&postcount=137), I totally agree.

[Anh_Minh]

Humans aren't shown to suffer for the Organization's actions -- the social maladjustment and harsh treatment of Claymores take first priority. Nor are we really shown just how humans make a living when Claymores aren't around. In fact, it seems their only purpose is to idle in town squares and then gape at the freak show that wanders into town. Don't these people have day jobs? Shouldn't we see more bustle and less talk? You know, laborers and merchants and people in a hurry? Remember the two kids that stood around the statues of Theresa and Clare? I mean really, is a harsh medieval society really supposed to have a concept of "childhood"? Or shouldn't these kids at least be working around heavy machinery, coal mines, tending the fields/orchard/shop, be in school, working at an apprenticeship or *something*?

I think they're training to be those guys who say "the Fire Cavern is to the East!" repeatedly to every traveler.

[Twisted Reality]

It's not that strange that bandits knew immediately that youma were exterminated. They could have there their man, not necessarily as a villager but as a wanderer staying in the inn just like Claymores. Or seeing returning Teresa was enough for them. They had they camp not far away from their target after all.
Also don't measure bandits in human measurement, rational thinking isn't blackguard's strong point. They wanted to rape, burn and kill, it provided them adrenaline, also they didn't kill woman, only villagers. Burning can be explained logically too, they wanted villagers to be occupied in extinguishing fire not fighting them. Last but not least killing everyone who would want revenge is a smart thing to do.
"That looks a lot more convincing than the Refugees behaving against all logic and knowing things they shouldn't." - Riful
Riful, as always You write only smart things, very often things that others missed. If anyone on this forum talks with sense it's You for sure.
As I said above:
The how isn't really so important as the why. We can rationalize all these little gaping discontinuities or handwave them somehow. But the general point is that it still undermines believability in the reality presented on-screen. In this case, the human world suffers at the expense of the Claymore's microcosm.

And frankly, having flat bandits are simply boring. You can say they *aren't* human, but where's the fun in that? Claymore is a story about humanity and how the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

For example, we can write an interesting story for the bandit leader. Where did he get that falcon sword? Why did he become a bandit? How does he rationalize what he does? What are his goals? Why *doesn't* he want to become a lord and live off the fat of the land? He sure bullies the others into something resembling a warlord. Indeed, his story would also bring out a little bit of the detail involving the generic mountain village -- which makes it a distinct location instead of generic quaint town #450.

And this could make him sympathizable, despicable or both. In any case, it would get a stronger reaction from the audience. And that's *good.* The author doesn't do this though. And despite what you may say, it still hurts the believability of the world. The sense of "completeness" of the world. And even if we don't have the time to go into a long flashback sequence, you can still make his behavior consistent with that backstory. (It's a common story after all: a hungry peasant turns to the predatory life of a bandit to make ends meet. He's insecure enough that he has to rule by strength -- just a way to cover up his own mortal vulnerabilities and doubts.)

And yes, the inside-man idea occured to me. But why haven't the peasants noticed an outsider hanging around? It's a village where everybody knows everybody. Even traders are so uncommon that there are probably the same "regular customers." Well maybe they're very subtle bandits, you know, except they murder, rape and pillage.

We can provide endless ideas and rationalizations, arguments and counter-arguments. It still doesn't change the fact that the author didn't bother fleshing these details out. That creates a jarring hole in the story that tests our suspension of disbelief and makes the world seem flatter.

Or to put it simply: The bandits are a plot device.

[PonSquared]

I finally watched it.

My fiancee (who is Japanese) liked it but kept shouting out "Raki iranaiii yooo..." It was so funny. God I love her. Haha.

I gave it a 7/10. While it wasent as good as the manga it was, in and of itself, a good episode of anime.

[redmeat]

There's no point in applying rationality to Claymore. It's just a fantasy manga. Yagi, in making the storyline, probably just randomly slapped a bunch of characters together, stringed them with related events, and dipped them in a sauce of humanity, and voila, an interesting story! He had main themes in mind but probably could care less about the details or rationality.

[Twisted Reality]

There's no point in applying rationality to Claymore. It's just a fantasy manga. Yagi, in making the storyline, probably just randomly slapped a bunch of characters together, stringed them with related events, and dipped them in a sauce of humanity, and voila, an interesting story! He had main themes in mind but probably could care less about the details or rationality.
Yes, shame on me for expecting Yagi to not skimp on the humanity sauce. Why criticize? It's just stupid humanity sauce.

[MooMooFarm]

Thanks to the decision Claymore made in turning the faithful series into less then stellar, I've actually started reading manga for other animes I was interested. It paid off with Eyeshield 21, as the anime so far ( up to episode 4 ) is fugly compared to the manga, and the voice actors aren't really living up to the standards. Claymore is miles ahead in this category though like most animes, so I'll still watch and it's somewhat interesting to see what ending they will come up with.

[Kazidoom]

Yes, shame on me for expecting Yagi to not skimp on the humanity sauce. Why criticize? It's just stupid humanity sauce.I think you're expecting a little too much from a shonen.

[Claymore_Obsessed]

There's no point in applying rationality to Claymore. It's just a fantasy manga. Yagi, in making the storyline, probably just randomly slapped a bunch of characters together, stringed them with related events, and dipped them in a sauce of humanity, and voila, an interesting story! He had main themes in mind but probably could care less about the details or rationality.

we could apply the same to every writer including Shakespeare, just change "fantasy manga" to "fantasy novel" :D

[Ejinathan]

Why do i get the feeling Clare will become a horse or an unicorn ... She will prolly not be able to to return human if we listen to the claymore theory. They could as good made her supersaiyen and let her launch a huge kameha wave! Anyway its still beautifull put up the episode. They are good at winter effect and snow itself.

[Seska]

Why do i get the feeling Clare will become a horse or an unicorn ... She will prolly not be able to to return human if we listen to the claymore theory. They could as good made her supersaiyen and let her launch a huge kameha wave! Anyway its still beautifull put up the episode. They are good at winter effect and snow itself.

Warning, this is only my own Speculation about Clare...

[speculate ON]

Think carefully for the basics of Clare. What make an Claymore an Claymore? Her Body? then Miss Galatea is Princess Claymore, and some other a Queen. No. Claymore are Half-Human and Half-Youma.

But Clare... What is Clare here? Yep. Take this point now, and try to think it till the end. And you get my point. I try to bring you to rethink about her Status...

Ok, small hint. Whos Blood and Flesh has she inside her?... And other Claymores have only *o*ma flesh....

[Speculate OFF]

Bingo!!!...

With this now knowing, it can be very interesting in the end...

[Bikerider]

That's the reason the Organisation frets about Clare's "intangibles"

[Twisted Reality]

Warning, this is only my own Speculation about Clare...

[speculate ON]

Think carefully for the basics of Clare. What make an Claymore an Claymore? Her Body? then Miss Galatea is Princess Claymore, and some other a Queen. No. Claymore are Half-Human and Half-Youma.

But Clare... What is Clare here? Yep. Take this point now, and try to think it till the end. And you get my point. I try to bring you to rethink about her Status...

Ok, small hint. Whos Blood and Flesh has she inside her?... And other Claymores have only *o*ma flesh....

[Speculate OFF]

Bingo!!!...

With this now knowing, it can be very interesting in the end...
Uhh. . .Clare is a seed for Theresa to be reborn? And as it turns out, the real bad guy is actually Theresa? And the Organization was really just a very convoluted scheme to get Clare willingly implanted with Theresa's flesh? And uhh. . .the Abyssals are somehow connected?

[Godly_senselessness]

Heh heh,i cant wait to see Easley acknowledging Rigardo's defeat considering that he thought there was no way Rigardo could lose.He should be feeling more than a little bit uneasy now.



On a seperate note........I for one have never disliked Raki.I have always thought that Raki's actions were quintessentially similar to what a human's would be in line of the events that took place.His whining and crying are all normal,he's a kid remember.The cave scene is also understandable because of this.Plus there was not any focus on him for a long time,there was a considerable period of time when Clare was searching for him that they never showed him onscreen.The overwhelming amount of hate towards Raki is pretty unsubstantiated.I do agree however that placing him in between the Rigardo fight scenes is a mistake but that is not his fault :).All in all i love the anime and i am following up with the manga to the exact point where the anime ends each week.I do see a considerable variation from the manga at points but man i am just happy to have come aross such a great series.It's been some time after all the filler crap thats been spewing out from all my other favourite shows.

[Elandyll]

More speculations on Clare :)

The organization's goal in accepting Clare's proposal (inserting Teresa's blood and flesh in her - as far as I know they never had done a Claymore/Human hybrid before-) was to possibly preserve some of the potential Teresa was showing, and we all know it was nothing short of awesome.
After the first tests, they concluded that the hybrid (Clare) was a failure -somewhat- and weaker than a regular Claymore.

My take on it is that they had no idea what they were in for. Take a hybrid human/Yoma. The result is generally quite stronger than a regular Yoma, something x2 or x3 (by a factor that I would call "The Human Potential Factor". Maybe Teresa was a x10, and the low ranked Claymores x2 or x3 factors.)
Now if you take that gigantic Teresa potential, and re-aply it to a new human factor (I'd venture that Clare would be a x2/x3) .. what do you get ? :)
Dun Dun Dun.
The thing is, the "higher" portion of this potential might very well only be attainable (what I would call the "Teresa level") once past the 100% Yoki level, which she might now be able to gather without Awakening.

Imho, her multiple partial awakenings not only have let her tap further and further in her potential, buch she might just be on the verge of taping in the "Teresa" potential... We are possibly talking Teresa x2 or x3...
Yeah scary I know...

My 2cps :)

[Seska]

More speculations on Clare :)

Imho, her multiple partial awakenings not only have let her tap further and further in her potential, buch she might just be on the verge of taping in the "Teresa" potential... We are possibly talking Teresa x2 or x3...
Yeah scary I know...

My 2cps :)

Clare has a special bonus...

Where other Claymores have only their Youma part. Clare can chose between Teresa Yoki or the Youma part of Teresa :)

Again.... Half-Human (Clares own body) and Teresas Blood and Flesh (Half Teresa and Half Teresas-Youma) Parts...