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Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-11, 03:59
something to talk about...hmmm...oh yea
it seems that Carim's prophecy has totally died out. Nothing out of the sort in the prophecy is happening to the battle right now...
so what's left of the prophecy that could happen in the remaining two episode?...well more likely, just 1 more episode of battle...
Nightengale
2007-09-11, 04:43
something to talk about...hmmm...oh yea
it seems that Carim's prophecy has totally died out. Nothing out of the sort in the prophecy is happening to the battle right now...
so what's left of the prophecy that could happen in the remaining two episode?...well more likely, just 1 more episode of battle...
Sinking ships.
Though at this rate, looks like the ship that will be sinking will be the Cradle. :rolleyes:
Anyway, if S4 happens, my speculation is that this "prophecy parallel events" is totally fake. Why would TSA High Council find the need to orchestrate the prophecy, bar the wings/Cradle/king part where Jail screwed them over?
Someone needs to steal Starlight Breaker from Nanoha. No, Hayate doesn't countYou know, that would require Nanoha to actually use Starlight Breaker first, instead of being restricted to basic magic by various plot devices.
That part doesn't bother me so much as all he really need her to do is to break the ground for Cradle to fly out :rolleyes:
But why make her look for relic 11? Bah, we may never know...
Another question:How did she get those powers?
Lutecia is mid-childian by birth so where she learned belkan-based summoning magic brings up alot of questions. Even if her mother was a practitioner of such, she sure wasn't around to teach Lutecia. Next closest person to her would be Zest, who is a Knight, not a summoner. Unless the good doctor had a hand in her skills. :eyebrow:
Besides that, she's a pretty good summoner, albeit her levels of a mage is probably around Caro.
Nightengale
2007-09-11, 05:00
Another question:How did she get those powers?
1. Her mother is a mage, so she might've inherited her mother's magical prowess.
2. She's an Artificial Mage. Not completely successful, but relative enough to not be a complete failure like Zest.
1. Her mother is a mage, so she might've inherited her mother's magical prowess.
2. She's an Artificial Mage. Not completely successful, but relative enough to not be a complete failure like Zest.
Inherited,but she still neds to learn the skills.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-11, 05:14
finally got to watch the RAW of this episode...the animation was a bit worse from the Stars episode, but atleast we got to see Fate's new sonic form. BTW, this episode had the longest intro because of a certain flashback.
- The flashback of Zest and Regius' friendship in the past...it looks like they were good buddies back then. Quint and surprisingly, Lutecia's mother Alpito, were also part of Regius' team/squad. Those drones that Quint and Alpito were fighting against...similar ones to what Vita was fighting inside the Cradle and the drones that took down Nanoha also. The Numbers were even present during that time and it looks like Zest was the reason Cinque wears an eye patch. So I'm guessing that the Quint accident is also related to how Zest and Alpito died as well. I wouldn't mind seeing a short side story OVA of Zest and Regius' days at TSAB...their friendship and closeness of Quint, Alpito, Zest, and Regius reminds me of the Aces or the Forwards.
- Surprisingly, Regius was a friend or client of Scaglietti also...and the brains were also scheming against Regius and probably against TSAB also...who were those brains anyways?...looks like we'll never find out.
- Regius stabbed by Due and well, when I saw that and after witnessing Zest's past story, I kinda felt sorry for Regius dying like that...atleast he got to see his old friend again before kicking the bucket.
- Signum entering the room to where Zest was located...he took the blame for killing Due and Regius also...although he didn't intend to kill Regius though. But Rein isn't seen with Signum and Agito...could she have gone out to look for Hayate and unison with her? (seriously, Hayate needs to show off one last amazing spell before the fight ends...she got shafted so badly in the second half of StrikerS.)
- The fight of the lightning forwards...looks like Lutecia has gone crazy and started summoning her greatest "bug" looking monster in rivalry to Carol's Volatire. The giant monster battle wasn't that epic...Voltaire looked much cooler in episode 17. Erio's battle with Garyuu was....somewhat amazing. He did a super electric punch to Garyuu...although I've read in this thread that he stole that move from Signum...I don't really remember if she did that move in A's though.:heh:
- Fate's battle with Scaglietti and the two remaining Numbers by his side. What was Scaglietti talking about to Fate when she released her Riot form to cut off Scaglietti's red ropes?...sounded like something harsh about her and Project Fate and Precia.
- Scaglietti impregnating all of his 12 precious Numbers...ewww I wouldn't even want to know how he did that to them...that pretty disgusting.
- Fate's sonic form was released to the helpful lighting forwards and how to never give up. Now after watching the whole episode and how that little speech by Carol and Erio has given Fate hope to win against her battle, I would say "Pray" wasn't really a wasted insert song to be used in this episode. Although the scene wasn't "shocking" in any way as hinted, it did fit the scene quite properly.
- Riot Zamber taking down the two Numbers pretty easily and then doing a "home run" hit on Scaglietti...that was pretty funny.:D
- Acous taking Uno into custody, Vice coming out of retirement and shot down Deed who was about to assassinate Teana...he looked pretty cool while doing that, and Schach and Sein fighting while going through walls...never knew Scach had the same power as Sein.
- Finally, Nanoha's battle with Vivio and it looks like she's not even trying to hit Vivio because she's her "daughter"...somewhat:heh: and Quattro losing the glasses and pulling out her long hair down...she looks evil now.
-Preview for the episode, its the final act of the battle...looks like Nanoha is finally going to try and take down Vivio...and of course, the revealing of Nanoha's Blaster mode.
Not bad of an episode...8/10, Fate's sonic form, Lutecia getting befriended by her own insanity and the rest of the Numbers getting shot down and arrested.
Animation wasn't in top quality as last week's but hopefully the final episode of the battle will have smooth animation like we have always seen in the past Nanoha seasons.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-11, 05:18
Sinking ships.
Though at this rate, looks like the ship that will be sinking will be the Cradle. :rolleyes:
Anyway, if S4 happens, my speculation is that this "prophecy parallel events" is totally fake. Why would TSA High Council find the need to orchestrate the prophecy, bar the wings/Cradle/king part where Jail screwed them over?
Sinking ships huh...and Chrono hasn't even arrived yet...:heh:
the Cradle doesn't even look like it will even have time to fire anything off of its so called "weapons"...heck it didn't even fire out anything to Hayate and her gang outside of the Cradle itself.
Season 4 might already have a green light in 7 arcs already...anyways, theres still so many side plots to be solved and stuff...Relic #11, did Scaglietti really have it? Whats to become of Alpito still in the test tube? Plus the rampant embryos of Scaglietti's kids inside of each of the Numbers bellies...they give birth and these babies already have the potential to kill??:twitch: (I still find this idea of conquering TSAB the most stupidest and disgusting idea ever)
Nightengale
2007-09-11, 05:23
The babies inside the Numbers ARE him.
The 12 Cyborgs are carrying clones of him with his full memories inside them.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-11, 05:28
yea, I was referring to the kids of Scaglietti, which are the clones of him...sorry if I worded the sentence without full detail:heh:
arkhangelsk
2007-09-11, 06:51
You know, that would require Nanoha to actually use Starlight Breaker first, instead of being restricted to basic magic by various plot devices.
To be fair, Starlight Breaker requires special talents to fully utilize. Trying to just steal it will alter its form (see Reinforce I's Starlight Breaker - hardly the same ain't it).
Nightengale
2007-09-11, 07:17
Isn't it the same for all forms of magic?
I mean, conventional A-ranks probably can never cast S-rank withstanding protective barriers unless their talent lie in the conventions like Yuuno, though Yuuno clearly suffers in respect of offensive abilities. Even more so when magic talent clearly lie far beyond just combat application. In similar veins, the limitations of Element-Conversions work in the same respective for Erio, Fate, Signum.
Heck, even simple looking search-spells and scanning-spells seem to require a degree of specialized talent. Else, they need not Shamal if situations where huge machines fail and Yuuno in A's if IL had 'good' librarians.
arkhangelsk
2007-09-11, 07:28
Agreed, which is why copying other people's magics seem to be at best of limited utility unless the other person happens to be of a very similar type. Best to figure out the few things you are good at and put your time into refining them.
Sinking ships.
Though at this rate, looks like the ship that will be sinking will be the Cradle. :rolleyes:
Oh, please tell me it'd at least sink a chunk of the TSAB fleet before it goes...
serenade_beta
2007-09-11, 07:32
- Signum entering the room to where Zest was located...he took the blame for killing Due and Regius also...although he didn't intend to kill Regius though.
He never said who he killed. He never specified a person.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-11, 07:49
Oh, please tell me it'd at least sink a chunk of the TSAB fleet before it goes...
Can't even tell you if they'll even arrive before then...
... But when they do, I'm sure their big strong ships can haul the wreckage back.
(:p)
Chrono: "And that's why nobody bothers putting money into weapons for us."
At least this esp can see Both Subaru's and Lutecia's Mother....
And I like the Sonic form weapons and everything.... Nice song insertion.... :)
Would be looking forward to the next esp...
serenade_beta
2007-09-11, 09:20
Haha! It seems the opening was modified again:
Adding Inzects to Lutecia's scene
Changing the way the title appears
Changing the animation for Nanoha's Starlight thing (buster?)
Well, I'll be back after fully watching the episode, with better raws.
Well:
Young Auris... Hehehe
"Lu", "Lu-chan"... Oh my god... When did they have such a relationship? At least say her whole name, stupid kids.
Rule of anime: Don't attack someone in the middle of a spell...
"USODAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"
The stupidest ways to power up... Grow tentacles and bleed, and grow a laser at the stomach...
Fried looks like a chicken now...
Caro/Erio/Lutecia fight: Disappointment. What was that? A few explosions, several screams, and cotton-fluff voices being cheesy.
I don't hate Lutecia, but I'm starting too. Ever since her change of heart by the writers.
Squirming fingers~~~
"zetsubou shitakai?" He should ask Itoshiki-sensei.
Well said, Jail. You're technically wrong, but I'll say you're right. It really is true after all. Fate adopts two kids, and now they're fighting for her and won't disobey. HAHAHAHAHA!
Uruseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, baka gakiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
"Uhahaha! Magnificent", I agree, Jail. Pity it came out haxx.
A father ready to accept her daughter with open arms, that is Scaglietti.
The people on Asura need to learn how to count. It's "12345678" not "1234678"...
I didn't expect Nove to say something like that...
Snipe Shot somehow looks like Snip Shot...
Once again, curse the plot conveniences! Ginga's back...
Funny how in a previous thread, someone said it is hard to take Quattro seriously with her hairstyle, and now this.
1 hour, 35 minutes... Like it'll take that long...
Preview: Please, Vivio die!
More about Scaglietti's revivial plan.
The memories within his clones will awaken within a month of revivial. Either that or they'll revive in a month with his memories awakened.
He says this is a common technique known to Al Hazard's rulers! If he implemented it perfectly there's zero chance the clones will be any different from him.
This is a pretty common menthod of resurrection in sci-fi. Two of my favourite examples are Greg Bear's Eon series and Peter F. Hamilton's Commonwealth+Void series. Frank Herbert's Dune series also has a good one, but that's more like magic than science.
Edit: After binding Uno, Accous is going to read her memories! Unless the Doctor has a contingency he didn't tell even her, it's all over for him.
Nightengale
2007-09-11, 10:33
More about Scaglietti's revivial plan.
The memories within his clones will awaken within a month of revivial. Either that or they'll revive in a month with his memories awakened.
He says this is a common technique known to Al Hazard's rulers! If he implemented it perfectly there's zero chance the clones will be any different from him.
This is a pretty common menthod of resurrection in sci-fi. Two of my favourite examples are Greg Bear's Eon series and Peter F. Hamilton's Commonwealth+Void series. Frank Herbert's Dune series also has a good one, but that's more like magic than science.
Edit: After binding Uno, Accous is going to read her memories! Unless the Doctor has a contingency he didn't tell even her, it's all over for him.
So, his version of F is full-proofed perfect, but Precia's is not?
Reading memories, huh? I don't think he gave any specifics on its limits and range (( since it was only one short sentence )), but even if Uno was kept secret something, shouldn't it work with Jail too?
It seems more or less something to close the deal for Jail for good, or something which is to spark either a. a Jail sap-story told by Acous in Ep.26 (( since I can presume Jail's gonna keep his mouth shut )) or a possible plot-device for S4. (( Alhazred, TSA High Council... if Due knows, surely Uno as well. ))
Nightengale, as I mentioned before, if he follows the "memories=self" school of thought, yes. Precia wanted more than that, that may be why she failed.
Estavali
2007-09-11, 10:42
Edit: After binding Uno, Accous is going to read her memories! Unless the Doctor has a contingency he didn't tell even her, it's all over for him.
It seems that his abilities are really built towards reconnaissance and interrogation.
So, his version of F is full-proofed perfect, but Precia's is not?
10 years to perfect the technique? That, or he has full access to the original Al Hazardian version, which would be, in all regards, tested and proven.
Seriously, that part about this method being a "common technique known to Al Hazard's rulers" really tells alot about that civilisation.
Nightengale
2007-09-11, 10:44
Nightengale, as I mentioned before, if he follows the "memories=self" school of thought, yes. Precia wanted more than that, that may be why she failed.
I recall Precia saying that even though she went to all the trouble of placing Alicia's memories in her, Fate still turned out different from her "Alicia". And I don't think it's solely because she has magical talent, while Alicia doesn't.
But here you state Jail's won't be any different at all. (( or so it seems, we won't know for sure until we see the actual clones. ))
serenade_beta
2007-09-11, 10:49
Edit: After binding Uno, Accous is going to read her memories! Unless the Doctor has a contingency he didn't tell even her, it's all over for him.
He can do that?
So, his version of F is full-proofed perfect, but Precia's is not?
Hmm... Well, he probably took what Precia researched and developed, and further improved it himself and made it even better. Jail is probably smarter than her. He has had ten years.
Nightengale
2007-09-11, 10:57
The way he kept saying 'Project F that Precia Testarossa completed' makes it sound... I dunno, it's like he purposely left the base concept open for someone else to complete it, only to later steal and perfect it further. Seems to be a trademark of his or something.
I recall Precia saying that even though she went to all the trouble of placing Alicia's memories in her, Fate still turned out different from her "Alicia". And I don't think it's solely because she has magical talent, while Alicia doesn't.
It's from some of the discussions of the novel. It seems that Precia wanted to restore or revive Alicia's soul. That's far more ambitious than what Scaglietti planned.
I recall Precia saying that even though she went to all the trouble of placing Alicia's memories in her, Fate still turned out different from her "Alicia".
It might have something to do with the mother having turned crazy.
What happen to this episode's animation? It's like all the faces got run over by monster truck...
What happen to this episode's animation? It's like all the faces got run over by monster truck...
It might be a "Buy the DVDs!" operation.
Subaru's mother and Lutecia's mother with Zest, never would have thought of that
another great episode, Fate's new sonic form was crazy and i liked how they included Pray
Hypernova
2007-09-11, 19:59
It might have something to do with the mother having turned crazy.
She treated Fate as a tool so of course Fate is going to behave differently.
And then theres the question of what constitutes a soul? Memory or something more?
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-11, 20:07
She treated Fate as a tool so of course Fate is going to behave differently.
And then theres the question of what constitutes a soul? Memory or something more?
She basically want the whole package.
An exact PERFECT 'replica' of Alica.
This includes all of her actions being EXACTLY the same.
The 'soul' part is probably just a nicer way of putting it.
Xellos-_^
2007-09-11, 20:15
Basically Jail is probably willing to settle for 99% while Precia wanted 100%
arkhangelsk
2007-09-11, 20:40
He's also "backing up" before the accident happened, rather than trying to recreate a person using a mishmesh of recovered memories off an already dead body and the Resurrector's egocentric recollections of the person. Probably that's what really caused the errors. Precia was doomed by not having enough usable data from the start.
Gearhead
2007-09-11, 22:10
The reason Cinque was having so much trouble with Subaru is far simpler. Oscillation Breaker is a sure-kill attack against Cyborgs, had she not been turtling like mad, she would've been killed. Zest lacks a sure-kill attack. We do know that the Numbers utterly MAULED Ginga, which means her IS was far less inimical to their continued breathing.
She treated Fate as a tool so of course Fate is going to behave differently.
Yep. If Precia had stayed sane (or better yet, if she hadn't know about Alicia's death, her daughter having been replicated behind her back), it's possible Fate would have acted like Alicia. Of course, having a different name isn't acceptable: since she's called "Alicia" in her memories, the replica must be called Alicia too.
And then theres the question of what constitutes a soul? Memory or something more?
The word soul is a religious thing. In real life it doesn't mean much of anything, and definitely not something precise.
We do know that the Numbers utterly MAULED Ginga, which means her IS was far less inimical to their continued breathing.
Don't forget that Ginga was just fighting "normally". Subaru went berserk, which is why she nearly managed to destroy Cinque.
Gearhead
2007-09-11, 22:23
Don't forget that Ginga was just fighting "normally". Subaru went berserk, which is why she nearly managed to destroy Cinque.
This is true. But it also helps that however Subaru's IS destroys things creates some kind of catastrophic feedback in the Numbers' systems. Quattro mentions it when pointing out that Nove needs repairs and Cinque will be down for the count for even longer.
Had Cinque not managed to at least partially block each one of those attacks Subaru fired off with her hands while she was berserk, she would've died.
Nightengale
2007-09-11, 22:28
She treated Fate as a tool so of course Fate is going to behave differently.
Precia treated Fate as a tool after finding out she's 'different' from 'her' Alicia. Well, how she led to that conclusion on her part, it's really her own bias. (( I'm sure she can't see souls ))
Considering how unstable Precia was then, I'm half-confident even if Alicia turns out alright in the beginning, Precia might even consider her 'different' once she's at 'that' phase. :rolleyes:
And this Acous mind-reading thing... I sure hope it's not just a plot-device, but foreshadowing as well.
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Now's a perfect chance to REALLY understand how they feel. :p
But still, looking back... some things really made me lol. :heh:
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Are Relic Weapons even upsetting balance of powers? :heh:
As for Zest-Cinque... there's a lot of metal in that place, and since it's an ambush, even with strength difference, Cinque would get an upper-hand. Plus it's not like air mages are super agile in cramped areas. Even Signum was running and not flying when she's inside Central HQ.
Cinque just needs to have some traps with her IS placed there, and get Zest backed against say... the tubes with metal or something. Even S-ranks can do nothing if something they're close or leaning against suddenly goes BOOM, with shrapnels flying around.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-11, 22:42
And this Acous mind-reading thing... I sure hope it's not just a plot-device, but foreshadowing as well.
We should give up on hope by now :heh:
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Now's a perfect chance to REALLY understand how they feel. :p
Lol!
I wonder if theres a ritual or something for it... Having his face too close?
But still, looking back... some things really made me lol. :heh:
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Are Relic Weapons even upsetting balance of powers? :heh:
I still don't feel the seriousness of all this... :heh:
And ONE MAN, is not an organization.
Hell, in the character page, they're still called 'Unknown'. Well, I suppose they could be called NOD.
No Official Designation.
arkhangelsk
2007-09-11, 23:04
Precia treated Fate as a tool after finding out she's 'different' from
'her' Alicia. Well, how she led to that conclusion on her part, it's really her own bias. (( I'm sure she can't see souls ))
She does, to be fair, name several obvious differences that are beyond the normal range of subjectivism.
Considering how unstable Precia was then, I'm half-confident even if Alicia turns out alright
in the beginning, Precia might even consider her 'different' once she's at 'that' phase. :rolleyes:
True, she'd be comparing Fate to her concept of Alicia, not Alicia herself.
As for Zest-Cinque... there's a lot of metal in that place, and since it's an ambush,
Actually, no one said it was an ambush - just that the Captain protected them. There's a difference.
even with strength difference, Cinque would get an upper-hand. Plus it's not like air mages are super agile in cramped areas. Even Signum was running and not flying when she's inside Central
HQ.
But Cinque can't even fly and has no mobility assist (like Subaru / Novu's skates). That makes them at best even.
Cinque just needs to have some traps with her IS placed there, and get Zest backed against say... the tubes with metal or something. Even S-ranks can do nothing if something they're close or leaning against suddenly goes BOOM, with shrapnels flying around.
Actually, Cinque will still need to stab her stingers into the wall to begin her alchemy, so Zest should have time to use Panzergeist (since he's Belkan) - heck, even Subaru can activate Protection during a direct attack on her body.
I'm inclined to think that part of her problems with Subaru and Ginga is, other than their IS, that she was trying to keep them intact all along. Her own IS, being alchemic in nature, is powerful but does not allow for unharmed capture. Probably Cinque disconnected Ginga's arm with her IS and Novu did Ginga's capture with his fists.
Even when fighting Subaru, IIRC she threw the darts against the floor a lot. Only with the last attempt did she actually aim them for Subaru's hull. Considering that her alchemy could penetrate the heavy protection and alloys of a power plant, she reasonably could have done more damage to Subaru's hull than she actually did.
And even if she's limited to the shown damage, if she did that kind of damage on the first blow, directly into Subaru's hull, a second attack of similar strength will have decapacitated her no matter how berserk she is - there won't be enough hull and structure left to support her. So I suspect that she may have been trying not to hurt her, then only to stop her, rather than shattering her into a million pieces. But the setting turned out to be too low thanks to Subaru's berserk state, and that's what nearly caused her own death.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-12, 03:45
"Lu", "Lu-chan"... Oh my god... When did they have such a relationship? At least say her whole name, stupid kids.
Yea, I forgot to notice that Erio and Carol just somehow started to call Lutecia just "Lu-chan"...and its weird, they just introduced themselves to Lutecia in episode 22.
The stupidest ways to power up... Grow tentacles and bleed, and grow a laser at the stomach...
Garyuu growing tentacles, blades coming out of his arms, which makes him bleed and if I'm correct, he was crying out blood from his eyes also...which was weird in a way.:heh:
Once again, curse the plot conveniences! Ginga's back...
I guess divine buster hit Ginga so hard that her hard drive of memories came back.:heh:
You know,i wonder,what would happen if characters like Erio,Caro and lutecia did not exis in Strikers?
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-12, 05:29
You know,i wonder,what would happen if characters like Erio,Caro and lutecia did not exis in Strikers?
I don't know...the three had their purposes in StrikerS. hmm, I guess everything would have focused on Teana and Subaru and...more FateXNanoha I guess.:heh:
Why, did you lose interest in getting a much more developed Erio, Caro, and Lutecia?
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-12, 05:31
I don't know...the three had their purposes in StrikerS. hmm, I guess everything would have focused on Teana and Subaru and...more FateXNanoha I guess.:heh:
There's already too much evil in this world...
Why, did you lose interest in getting a much more developed Erio, Caro, and Lutecia?
Because he has given up hope after weeks of Enthusiasm :p
There's already too much evil in this world...
Because he has given up hope after weeks of Enthusiasm :p
Correct dude!
but its better to spare them the pain rather than than let them face it.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-12, 05:35
Correct dude!
but its better to spare them the pain rather than than let them face it.
Now you're just being over dramatic.
Beside, I'll take anything that would spare us from more evil.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-12, 05:36
I expected more from Lutecia's and Caro's final summons in this episode...Voltaire looked so much cooler looking in episode 17...and plot hole perhaps, but wasn't it mentioned that Caro couldn't control her summoning powers?
Because he has given up hope after weeks of Enthusiasm :p
I'm guessing it was all from the episode previews each week...well we should be glad that we got to see Fate's Sonic Form in StrikerS...although it was a given since she was in a situation where she could break out into a new form anytime soon.
As for Caro, Erio, and Lutecia, they are going to be best friends when this is all over...and if season 4 is created, we'll see the love triangle that was suppose to happen.
Nightengale
2007-09-12, 06:07
I expected more from Lutecia's and Caro's final summons in this episode...Voltaire looked so much cooler looking in episode 17...and plot hole perhaps, but wasn't it mentioned that Caro couldn't control her summoning powers?
I wouldn't call it plothole...
It's obvious they didn't have time to give us the 'hinted drama' that they oh, so slowly planted and hinted in the earlier episodes. Oh, and they went drunk with their priorities, when they wasted Fate's time with Vivio. I can understand Nanoha a wee bit, but Vivio had little bearing to Fate's drama with Jail/Erio/Caro in the final battle.
Not to mention self-questioning, insecure, worried, emotional Fate-guardian with Erio/Caro character development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perfect Mother Fate-mama with Vivio NON-development.
It was nice to see someone young, you know...ACTUALLY struggling with her motherhood and questions herself being emotionally insecure, rather than being portrayed as being the all-perfect guardian/mother figure.
Had SS02 not existed, the drama in this episode was honestly, hard to swallow.
Hypernova
2007-09-12, 06:16
IMO Caro and the likes are redundant in StrikerS, Teana/Subaru/Ginga plot line would have worked just as well without them. Think about the roles so far those kids are simply there so fillers can be written to fill up the 13 extra eps. The old gang+older recruit would have been enough and would have left room to develop the Numbers better.
And does anyone know what's the deal between Arf's voice actress and the production company? I can feel a contractual/schedule issue that caused her character to be written out of the story (happens a lot with sequels) and replaced with a child form so different actress can be used (but due to differences too large can only be used sparingly).
Nightengale
2007-09-12, 06:38
IMO Caro and the likes are redundant in StrikerS, Teana/Subaru/Ginga plot line would have worked just as well without them. Think about the roles so far those kids are simply there so fillers can be written to fill up the 13 extra eps. The old gang+older recruit would have been enough and would have left room to develop the Numbers better.
And does anyone know what's the deal between Arf's voice actress and the production company? I can feel a contractual/schedule issue that caused her character to be written out of the story (happens a lot with sequels) and replaced with a child form so different actress can be used (but due to differences too large can only be used sparingly).
Arf in StrikerS is still voiced by Natsuko Kuwatani. Yes, it's still the same VA, even for the loli-form.
Not to mention I think she's voicing 2 or 3 more other characters like Lutecia...and Sette, I think. So, there's clearly no problem.
They just want to get rid of the old-supporting cast even though they're stronger and better than these 'Forwards'. Probably for fresh new dimensions in the story, on a ground-stuck basis. I think it's obvious they want to get rid of Zafira too, but felt that it was too unreasonable to remove anyone from the Wolkenritter line-up, so they went a different way, shaft him as badly as they can in wolf-form.
Hypernova
2007-09-12, 07:13
Arf in StrikerS is still voiced by Natsuko Kuwatani. Yes, it's still the same VA, even for the loli-form.
Not to mention I think she's voicing 2 or 3 more other characters like Lutecia...and Sette, I think. So, there's clearly no problem.
They just want to get rid of the old-supporting cast even though they're stronger and better than these 'Forwards'. Probably for fresh new dimensions in the story, on a ground-stuck basis. I think it's obvious they want to get rid of Zafira too, but felt that it was too unreasonable to remove anyone from the Wolkenritter line-up, so they went a different way, shaft him as badly as they can in wolf-form.
Problem with such approach is that they alienate fan's of existing characters especially Arf who was part of the main cast for 2 seasons. (Hell I can't remember her name been mentioned at all untill the library scene, it's as if she didn't exist before that.) If they wanted to do a separate side of the story a spin off would have been a better choice i.e Stargate Atlantis.
The show is also suffering from cast overload, right now we have five groups:
Good:
a) Original gang
b) Subaru/Teana/Ginga
c) Caro/Erio
d) Riot 6 support staff+Saint Church
Villin:
e) Numbers/Jail <<Similar to 2nd season but with head of group evil.
f) Lutecia/Zest <<Try to revive her Mom, reverse of season 1.
g) TSAB higher ups/brains <<Dark history leading to the rise of TSAB.
For a third season it should be:
A+E
A+G <<gang finds some dark secret of TSAB and now is on the run and has to redeem self. Does not have to be (E) related.
AB+E
AC+F
CD+F <<Spin-off: Hayate/knights take (C) under their wing with with Nanoha/Fate only occasional appearances.
Else there's too many people to work with, usually this is a good thing as you get more plot lines to expand upon but if your writers are incompetent (which the writers of Strikers clearly are) in that case it will have the reverse effect where they get overwhelmed/confused and instead do very little. Add short plot to a 26 ep format and you end up with the disaster that is Strikers.
They just want to get rid of the old-supporting cast even though they're stronger and better than these 'Forwards'. Probably for fresh new dimensions in the story, on a ground-stuck basis. I think it's obvious they want to get rid of Zafira too, but felt that it was too unreasonable to remove anyone from the Wolkenritter line-up, so they went a different way, shaft him as badly as they can in wolf-form.That's always a problem when a serie drags on, people get attached to the old cast. There is clearly a will to start from scratch, and do something new in StrikerS, but they spoiled it by wanting to satisfy all the fans, even when they wanted contradictory things, and in the end they satisfied noone.
I think the first of their mistake beyond the vague inconsistent fanservice is that they just recycled season 1 and 2. Who wanted to get another dig at al hazard, clones and lolis fighting for her mother?
arkhangelsk
2007-09-12, 09:53
Just to take our attention from MGLN StrikerS bashing for a bit (I'm joining the side that wants a dedicated MGLN Post-Mortem/Criticism thread)...
How many people think that Regius is actually rather ignorant of the real situation of the Navy. He thinks that all the good mages are grabbed by HQ and the Navy and they are disproportionately endowed with elite mages. Superficially this is true, until you think of it a different way:
He has Zest, a rank S. If we assume he has no other S- or at least AAA-ranks, he already has 1 elite mage for a planet. That's not bad. The Navy looks like it has 1 elite mage per company/ship, so it looks like a much higher concentration, but given the area they cover and the enormous (not) number of high-ranking mages we saw in totality, they might well be averaging out at much less than 1 elite mage per planet, so Regius is hardly being shafted at all here!
Nightengale
2007-09-12, 10:03
Hmm...
Ground Forces probably has the highest density of forces in the entire TSAB, countered by the fact that most of them suck ass, that B-rank itself is rare among grunts.
On the other hand, the more elite Air/Navy would probably have less members overall, but are more elite in concentration. Weren't all those Athra mages fly-swatted by Precia in S1 all A-ranks?
arkhangelsk
2007-09-12, 10:38
On the other hand, the more elite Air/Navy would probably have less members overall, but are more elite in concentration. Weren't all those Athra mages fly-swatted by Precia in S1 all A-ranks?
According to NanohaWiki, they were supposed be a mix of As and Bs (the squad leaders being A).
In any case, A is as good as B (that is to say, almost useless), when it comes to something really important - one S+ is plenty of compensation! :D
Something's still bugging me.
How Jail can stop Fate's Riot Zamber with his bare hands?
And not cut his hands off completely.
After watching this ep, it seems to me that combat cyborgs aren't all that great and have little to no advantage over a similarly-level mage.
arkhangelsk
2007-09-12, 21:19
Something's still bugging me.
How Jail can stop Fate's Riot Zamber with his bare hands?
And not cut his hands off completely.
Because he has a pretty good IS himself. Unlike Hayate, he realizes that even with all the guards in the world, he might still actually have to fight. In a sense he deserved to win, and the real injustice was the Creator forcing him to lose.
After watching this ep, it seems to me that combat cyborgs aren't all that great and have little to no advantage over a similarly-level mage.
By definition, anything cannot have a major advantage over another thing of similar level...If anything, I was impressed that she managed to hold out a bit against Fate even in her Limit Break
Nightengale
2007-09-12, 21:37
Wasn't the idea by Combat Cyborgs was that once the tech is safe enough, it'd be mass-producible? And it's not like they're hindered by requirements of being a mage and all that.
If 1 in 10 Combat Cyborg specimens has Tre's level of performance, that's already a very good bargain, considering that AAA-S rank mages are like 1 in thousands.
Not to mention with whatever possible h4xx-inducing ISes... one-trick-ponies, they are, but they can be very effective so long as they're not looking to be replacement for versatile mages.
Wow, lots of complaining in this thread. -_-;;
Mmm... Sonic Form... needs more skirt though. Also, someone said something about an anti-ship sword. Layet Mode, anyone? Despite animation problems, and maybe too much talking, I quite enjoyed this episode.
Also, why can I see a flood of Scaglietti Baseball/Golf flashgames popping up on the net soon?
Finally, while I share some of the misgivings about the season with some of the other posters (bad pacing, etc), in the end I still enjoyed this season for what it is: entertainment.
Well, being a fan of melee combat, I actually prefer how Fate defeats the opposition this time round. No tricks or ambushes, just upfront brutality. After all, she is angry, and would probably prefer to take on the enemy in melee combat rather than wasting her energy on unsatisfying ranged kills.
QFT. Unlike Nanoha who likes to stand at distance and blast stuff, Fate gets up close and personal, and that's why I like her. I prefer melee combat to long-range sniping, anyway. Riot Zamber could have done with more dual-wielding action, but meh, there's always another time.
serenade_beta
2007-09-12, 23:02
Something's still bugging me.
How Jail can stop Fate's Riot Zamber with his bare hands?
And not cut his hands off completely.
One bare hand, one claw glove.
On Tenka Seiha, someone pointed out something I missed. What shame...
Quattro doesn't have those straps on her face.
Then again, when I checked, I realized neither does Uno or Cinque.
Though I assume there is no meaning behind this...
*yawn*...
Maybe because those three are important?
Uno=#1
Cinque=A missing/hidden factor
Quattro=Final boss?
Or it's the good doctor's tastes...
Wasn't the idea by Combat Cyborgs was that once the tech is safe enough, it'd be mass-producible? And it's not like they're hindered by requirements of being a mage and all that.
If 1 in 10 Combat Cyborg specimens has Tre's level of performance, that's already a very good bargain, considering that AAA-S rank mages are like 1 in thousands.
Not to mention with whatever possible h4xx-inducing ISes... one-trick-ponies, they are, but they can be very effective so long as they're not looking to be replacement for versatile mages.
I guess there is still something called human right, though I am not very sure if this sort of thing exists in Nanoha in the first place given the fact that govn't can hire kids at 9.
Something's still bugging me.
How Jail can stop Fate's Riot Zamber with his bare hands?
And not cut his hands off completely.
I felt the same at first glance, but then I thought it might be part of his IS so I am fine with it now
There is another thing bug me. Nove, at first few scenes, looks like very special among numbers so I expected she should be at top-tiers or have rare skill among numbers. And it turn out she lost to Sabura in the assualt of Ground Headquater, then lost to Teana in a battle almost 3 to 1 (if take Vice out). I really do not understand why she behave an be treated so special at beginning.
hound297
2007-09-12, 23:33
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Morale of story : The wrath of a mother losing her child is NOT to be trifled with!
Nightengale
2007-09-13, 00:43
I guess there is still something called human right, though I am not very sure if this sort of thing exists in Nanoha in the first place given the fact that govn't can hire kids at 9.
To begin with, what TSAB know of that technology is that its success rate is quite low, but apparently Jail already solved that problem, but even then, it's a bit of the low side of human ethics since apparently a degree of biological modification is necessary for mechanization.
There is another thing bug me. Nove, at first few scenes, looks like very special among numbers so I expected she should be at top-tiers or have rare skill among numbers. And it turn out she lost to Sabura in the assualt of Ground Headquater, then lost to Teana in a battle almost 3 to 1 (if take Vice out). I really do not understand why she behave an be treated so special at beginning.
Nove's armaments and stuff are ALL based of Subaru's, since they're all reverse-engineered from Subaru and Mach Calibur's tech. So, it's not really that she's special, it's just that she wasn't even properly completed then.
Speaking of which, have we even seen her IS, Break Liner yet?
wow, just finish watch this episode, i feel awesome...
but that two summon "Dragon" abit ....
Fate with the new form, 2 sword damn cool + the song-pray, i love it :love:
Fate last hit for the Jail is so damn cool, Fate you are so sweet and kind hearted :p
btw, seldom to see someone can break Nanoha ultimate def, Nanoha still not full power to fight Vivio? Looking forward the next episode, Nanoha should be fully limit break :)
FlameSparkZ
2007-09-13, 03:06
Nove's armaments and stuff are ALL based of Subaru's, since they're all reverse-engineered from Subaru and Mach Calibur's tech. So, it's not really that she's special, it's just that she wasn't even properly completed then.
Speaking of which, have we even seen her IS, Break Liner yet?
I'll take care of that with a short crack comic strip :D
Ottocycle
2007-09-13, 03:56
Speaking of which, have we even seen her IS, Break Liner yet?
It should be the Wing Road copy in eps 16-17.
EDIT: Confirmed with the official bios. The general ability to materialise paths in the air is called 'Air Liner' (LOL), while Nove's possession of that ability would be her IS, 'Break Liner', probably renamed to combine with her ability to smash stuff up a la Subaru.
It should be the Wing Road copy in eps 16-17.
No, that's just an extension of it called "Air Liner".
Nightengale
2007-09-13, 04:12
Well, I know that her Wing-Road rip-off is Air Liner, but I'm not exactly sure what her IS, Break Liner ACTUALLY does.
So, Nove's overall ability (( Air Liner + Gun Knuckle + Jet Edge mastery aka Shooting Arts rip-off )) = Break Liner?
Ottocycle
2007-09-13, 04:35
Well, I know that her Wing-Road rip-off is Air Liner, but I'm not exactly sure what her IS, Break Liner ACTUALLY does.
So, Nove's overall ability (( Air Liner + Gun Knuckle + Jet Edge mastery aka Shooting Arts rip-off )) = Break Liner?
Well, yes.
FlameSparkZ
2007-09-13, 04:48
Well, I know that her Wing-Road rip-off is Air Liner, but I'm not exactly sure what her IS, Break Liner ACTUALLY does.
So, Nove's overall ability (( Air Liner + Gun Knuckle + Jet Edge mastery aka Shooting Arts rip-off )) = Break Liner?
Isn't her IS's ability to break formations? Especially in the front lines :uhoh:
If the Numbers had managed to get to the Ground Force's line of defense, her IS would easily create opening for the other Numbers to attack...I think :heh:
arkhangelsk
2007-09-13, 05:01
Talking about breaking through...We see a glimpse of the drones. Why are they just shooting it out with the TSAB footsloggers rather than aggressively advancing and overrunning the line...
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-13, 05:14
maybe they're broken?
anyways, wasn't it Uno who controlled them most of the time?
since she is captured already, the drones could just be floating around.
Is Vivio's ability a psychic ability?...looks like she's just tossing Nanoha anywhere around the throne room's walls...those cracks on the walls don't look like cracks that would be a result of energy blasts being fired.
EDIT: looks like Zest might not die in StrikerS anytime soon then...and it might be surprising if he takes over Regius' place as general of the ground forces.
And since Zest was a very strong fighter and Signum likes challenges in strong fighters, might there be some ZestXSignum??...hhmmm
And Zest is now technically immortal thanks to the relic planted in him...but he and Signum wont have mini Belkan knights
Nightengale
2007-09-13, 20:11
No, it had been repeatedly reinforced that Zest's time in the world is coming to its end real soon. Let's not forget that he was a failure as an Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon.
Unless Jail can somehow restore or repair his failure through his newfound success, (( since Vivio is a complete success )) Zest is definitely going to die. Maybe not by the end of this battle, but I'll be damned if the way they're implying, (( cannot use Agito's fire anymore )) he'll last more than another month or 2.
At best, we'll most likely see his funeral or deathbed scenario at Episode 26. I mean, they've got to show him passing on (( or giving back to the original Lord if his speculation is true )) Agito to Signum AT LEAST through whatever method (( dying knight's last request most likely )) he'll convince both parties for a mutual agreement. (( I've pretty much got little hope on them showing Auris, Lutecia, Genya, and maybe the Nakajima daughters meeting him one last time... because it should happen, dammit! ))
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-13, 22:31
man, thats sad for Zest and in the end, he was a pretty good knight, without much of revenge in his mind... although it would be cool for Zest to take over Regius' position.
On the topic of Zest, strange that he would hang around the same people that killed him for so long. :rolleyes: Although Lutecia probably is the only reason why he does so.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-14, 04:02
so was it Regius' fault that Zest and Alpito got killed in that mission during the flashback?
I mean, I'm still trying to figure out what was Zest's reason to seeing Regius before his time runs out.
And since Zest is a failed Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon, Lutecia must be the result of a successful experiment then.
Well it's partially Regius' fault Zest's unit got killed. His order to reassign Zest's unit came too late. Zest decided to check out the lab before the order came and went in. The defending Numbers and stealth drones killed his unit and Regius came to know the news only when Jail showed him Zest's body.
As for wanting to see Regius, Zest wanted to know if Regius gave the order to exterminate his unit. As he said, he did not care for himself but to seek a reason why his subordinate were killed as well.
Him being a failed Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon is probably due to his health, since his powers in his weakened state is clearly a match for Vita and Signum.
Perhaps his body didn't accept the implanted relic entirely hence the 'failure' while Lutecia certainly didn't show signs of that.
That said, I don't think Zest or Lutecia displayed any powers of being a Relic Weapon.
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-09-14, 04:52
Well it's partially Regius' fault Zest's unit got killed. His order to reassign Zest's unit came too late. Zest decided to check out the lab before the order came and went in. The defending Numbers and stealth drones killed his unit and Regius came to know the news only when Jail showed him Zest's body.
As for wanting to see Regius, Zest wanted to know if Regius gave the order to exterminate his unit. As he said, he did not care for himself but to seek a reason why his subordinate were killed as well.
Him being a failed Artificial Mage/Experimental Relic Weapon is probably due to his health, since his powers in his weakened state is clearly a match for Vita and Signum.
Perhaps his body didn't accept the implanted relic entirely hence the 'failure' while Lutecia certainly didn't show signs of that.
That said, I don't think Zest or Lutecia displayed any powers of being a Relic Weapon.
oh ok now I understand what happened during that flashback and Zest's meeting with Regius, thanks for the info...as for signs of Relic weapon powers, I guess there's no sign...maybe the relics are one of the key essentials to making Artificial Mages.
And the reason why Zest was a S+ ranked mage...maybe because he was a relic weapon.
Anyways, I don't think we all have a clear idea on what exactly does a relic do.
hound297
2007-09-14, 11:33
oh ok now I understand what happened during that flashback and Zest's meeting with Regius, thanks for the info...as for signs of Relic weapon powers, I guess there's no sign...maybe the relics are one of the key essentials to making Artificial Mages.
And the reason why Zest was a S+ ranked mage...maybe because he was a relic weapon.
Anyways, I don't think we all have a clear idea on what exactly does a relic do.
Maybe it is a kind of "source of life force" for artificial life forms? I mean, look at those numbers - each with an indivisual relic being implanted in them. It is also revealed that lutecia's mum need relic 11 to be revived... But hey! Does this means that if we take out their relics, we snuff out their life??
Nightengale
2007-09-14, 11:36
Er... the Numbers are NOT powered by Relics.
Relics are linked to Relic Weapon/Artificial Mage Program, and has nothing to do whatsoever with Combat Cyborgs.
Serenity85
2007-09-14, 11:41
Also look at Vivio. Up until she was captured she didn't have a relic in her, yet she was able to live and weld dorment power (I believe sister Schlch, (forgot how to spell her name) said that the girl was no imediate threat but that she was powerful to some extent. It might mean that the relics unlock/amplify dorment magic in the user and that they can still live without them just powerless (or unable to weld the power they have...)
hound297
2007-09-14, 22:04
Also look at Vivio. Up until she was captured she didn't have a relic in her, yet she was able to live and weld dorment power (I believe sister Schlch, (forgot how to spell her name) said that the girl was no imediate threat but that she was powerful to some extent. It might mean that the relics unlock/amplify dorment magic in the user and that they can still live without them just powerless (or unable to weld the power they have...)
So... it is safe to assume that the relics are actually a kind of key to unlock your full potential as long as your body does not rejects them?
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-14, 22:17
So... it is safe to assume that the relics are actually a kind of key to unlock your full potential as long as your body does not rejects them?
The ancient Velkan kings use relics as a way to 'power-up' themselves. So rather than 'full-potential', they're going for 'super-human'.
Nightengale
2007-09-14, 22:21
At this point, we'll most likely have to accept that this will be the most in-depth on Relic explanation (( after so much hype went into its l33tness )) we'll ever get in-series unless Acous's going to do a "Once upon a time, Jail-" in Episode 25 or 26.
Else, looks like waiting for the last DVD's booklet translations is the only way to really know clearly what are Relics.
ShoShinjo
2007-09-15, 02:29
Else, looks like waiting for the last DVD's booklet translations is the only way to really know clearly what are Relics.
That's a shame, I also wanted to know what a Relic is. As far as I have understood, a Relic is the crystalized form of a high concentration of energy that grants its wielder the power to make any of their wishes come true via the enormous raw power the gem has. Now, the detail is that we don't know approximately how many energy is stored on a single Relic (because forms of using it are in abundance, from boosting magical power to unlimited levels to having a "new" form of energy generation).
As far as I have understood, a Relic is the crystalized form of a high concentration of energy that grants its wielder the power to make any of their wishes come true via the enormous raw power the gem has.
I think you meant the Jewel Seeds since we haven't seen Relics grant anyone's wish in StrikerS so far.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-15, 02:52
That's a shame, I also wanted to know what a Relic is. As far as I have understood, a Relic is the crystalized form of a high concentration of energy that grants its wielder the power to make any of their wishes come true via the enormous raw power the gem has. Now, the detail is that we don't know approximately how many energy is stored on a single Relic (because forms of using it are in abundance, from boosting magical power to unlimited levels to having a "new" form of energy generation).
*wave hand in a no-no motion*
No no, none of that was ever said, with the exception of "crystalized form of a high concentration of energy".
Hell, they don't even seem to be that powerful... Unless of course Vivio is the only one who could successfully use it...
ShoShinjo
2007-09-15, 02:56
I think you meant the Jewel Seeds since we haven't seen Relics grant anyone's wish in StrikerS so far.
Now that you mention it, yeah, it sounded more like of a Jewel Seed XD But anyway, it's the impression I have from the Relics. Other than moving the Saint Cradle and powering up the Royal Belkan Family, the Relics haven't been used at all. And if the Relics are indeed a source of energy, they can be used to control everything. I don't remember where I heard it: "those who control great energy sources can control it all", just see those that have control over fossil combustible and such >>
Anyway, that's just speculation, I really hope that we can know exactly what is a Relic (or a Lost Logia in general...)
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-15, 03:07
Now that you mention it, yeah, it sounded more like of a Jewel Seed XD But anyway, it's the impression I have from the Relics. Other than moving the Saint Cradle and powering up the Royal Belkan Family, the Relics haven't been used at all. And if the Relics are indeed a source of energy, they can be used to control everything. I don't remember where I heard it: "those who control great energy sources can control it all", just see those that have control over fossil combustible and such >>
I doubt it though, remember how Jail has that whole stash of Relics? Yet he does nothing with them. So other than power-uping individuals, I don't think they're used for anything else...
... And Cradle is powered by Vivio, not too sure how much of a part the Relic in her plays.
Anyway, that's just speculation, I really hope that we can know exactly what is a Relic (or a Lost Logia in general...)
So far that's all we know about the Relics.
And Lost Logias are basically technology or artifacts left behind by ancient civilizations.
ShoShinjo
2007-09-15, 03:14
TSAB Officer: *finds an ancient radio* OMG, Lost Logia!!!!
...sorry, couldn't help it XD
And now that you mention the heterochromic girl, the Relic inside her was the thing that caused her to grow right? That and Quattro's words (I hate that woman... I don't mind the villian part, but that voice, face and hair... just seeing her makes me angry XD)
And it's just me, or Vivio's clothes resemble Ginga's/Quint's Barrier Jacket? (I think she would have looked better without the side tail but well...)
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-15, 03:26
TSAB Officer: *finds an ancient radio* OMG, Lost Logia!!!!
...sorry, couldn't help it XD
It's okay, thought technically to an extend, you're not wrong :heh:
And now that you mention the heterochromic girl, the Relic inside her was the thing that caused her to grow right? That and Quattro's words (I hate that woman... I don't mind the villian part, but that voice, face and hair... just seeing her makes me angry XD)
I believe so... Though i thought it was when Vivio is in grave danger that the transformation is triggered.
The only thing I dislike about Quattro is her voice :heh: It's too.... Too... 'Sugary' :heh:
Other than that, I'm neutral.
And it's just me, or Vivio's clothes resemble Ginga's/Quint's Barrier Jacket? (I think she would have looked better without the side tail but well...)
I-I suppose... :heh:
It's okay, thought technically to an extend, you're not wrong :heh:
Okay,what if there was a ancient PORNO mag.Would that be a lost logia too?;)
I don't think that would fall under the category of technology or artifacts. :heh:
Makes for a interesting read though. :D
On topic, any suggestions on Zest's fate by the end of StrikerS? It's been stated alot of times he's going to die but there are other routes to go with. Even if he does kick the bucket, it will be a interesting scene for MSLN's first true death scene (not counting Precia who felled into dimensional space or Reinforce I would was sealed away), unless it's pushed to the manga or SS.
Aaron008R
2007-09-15, 06:54
Regius getting skewered is not a death scene?:heh:
My bad. :heh:
Unless he somehow survives.
Vita's taken quite a bad injury and is still fighting her way through the stealth drones towards the reactor for a good half hour now so who knows? Unless the laws of MSLN apply to the heroines only. :heh:
Hypernova
2007-09-15, 08:02
Regius getting skewered is not a death scene?:heh:
Or the 3 brains-in-a-jar?
krisslanza
2007-09-15, 10:10
Or all those nameless redshirts? :heh:
Redshirt have been dying since the age of the Salamis cruiser. :heh: What really matters is whether a named character is going to die during the plot progression, and so far Regius is in the lead. :D
Regius and the Brains means that this season's in-progress killcount is already double the previous seasons combined.
FlameSparkZ
2007-09-15, 11:35
Or the 3 brains-in-a-jar?
The 3 brains were already dead, they just didn't know it :heh:
And about Vivio's barrier jacket...nope, doesn't look like Ginga or Quint's to me...though, for a Saint King it's awfully evil-looking (claws and everything)
It may be evil-looking, but it's cool! :D
Now, about Due...she's quite an actress, when Zest 'knocked' she flinched nad was scared like a...regular girl...:heh:
IMO, she's way more evil than Quattro, she deceives/plays with the feelings of the target and then kills them when the time is right.
Quattro, on the other hand, just likes to see them suffer and struggle for their lives :uhoh:
And Jail...he'll be facing the wrath of the Numbers fanboys for doing what he did :heh:
Vita may be added to the death count. We'll find out very soon.
Mirificus
2007-09-15, 11:47
And about Vivio's barrier jacket...nope, doesn't look like Ginga or Quint's to me...though, for a Saint King it's awfully evil-looking (claws and everything)
It may be evil-looking, but it's cool! :D
It looked to me as though she just has long nails.
Deathkillz
2007-09-15, 13:46
Vita may be added to the death count. We'll find out very soon.
Whether thats a good or bad thing i duno :heh: but i was just rewatching ep 19 where shamal was checking up on vita and telling us some important info ~ seems like the knights arent as indestructable as they used to be :uhoh:
krisslanza
2007-09-15, 15:29
I believe the Book is malfunctioning, so if the Knights die they won't be able to reincarnate. So they'll die for good.
No no no, at the end of A's, the knights were seperated from the book of darkness by Reinforce herself to prevent the knights from dieing along with her. In other words, they no longer have the protection of the book of darkness.
Why don't Hayate stuff them back in the book? :heh:
Xellos-_^
2007-09-15, 17:56
The book has been destory
Deathkillz
2007-09-15, 18:50
No!?...Hayate is holding the book O.O Part of the book was destroyed seen as it also included the berserked defense program (so perhaps it also took away the main link between the book and the knights)
Okay,what if there was a ancient PORNO mag.Would that be a lost logia too?;)
Might be...
http://20gp.ovh.net/~example/as_nano08.jpg
though, for a Saint King it's awfully evil-looking
The word "saint" is a concept that is internal to a religion or a society. It means something like "exemplary" or "worthy of great respect".
For an observer outside of that religion or society, like you or me, it has no real meaning.
In particular, you can be considered as "saint" in one religion despite (or thanks to) having killed many believers of a rival religion.
No!?...Hayate is holding the book O.O Part of the book was destroyed seen as it also included the berserked defense program (so perhaps it also took away the main link between the book and the knights)
Might have been a good idea to compile a new defense program to replace the old one.
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-15, 20:05
Might have been a good idea to compile a new defense program to replace the old one.
That's probably easier said than done. The original is a very old and power program, I doubt it could be Replicated that easily.
To clarify things, the current Book of the Night Sky has no link to the linker core devouring lost logia back in A's. The one Hayate is holding now is a Magic Tome type device, probably a storage device at that. The Knights' link to YnS was cut off at the same time the defense program was removed so you can't just stuff them back in the book. :heh:
As for Vivio's BJ, it looks perfectly fine to me. Although it is very strange to me that the saint king, great leader and prophet of the Ancient Belka, was a organic weapon of his choice. :rolleyes:
Chaos2Frozen
2007-09-15, 20:46
As for Vivio's BJ, it looks perfectly fine to me. Although it is very strange to me that the saint king, great leader and prophet of the Ancient Belka, was a organic weapon of his choice. :rolleyes:
It's all about power.
No!?...Hayate is holding the book O.O Part of the book was destroyed seen as it also included the berserked defense program (so perhaps it also took away the main link between the book and the knights)
Hayate merely holds something that looks like the Yami no Sho. Her curent one (wasn't it re-called the Yaten no Sho?) doesn't even hold a candle to the Yami no Sho.
Aaron008R
2007-09-16, 05:14
Technically, what's left of the original YnS has completely fused with Hayate, granting her a incredibly high amount of mana. The Book that appears when she casts her spells is likely only an avatar/Storage Device with the appearance of the original Tome. Another possible explanation is that the tome is indeed the physical body of the original tome but doesn't contain its previous amount of power in the past.
Hypernova
2007-09-16, 05:57
From my understanding most of the power that YnS vamped went to the defence programme and the rest went to Hayate giving her power. Nothing is mentioned of the capabilities of the YnMDS. Although I assume it is still capable of storing magic from others. Think of the current YnMDS as YnS after a virus scan and reformat with Rinforce II as the new OS.
keep in mind i dont look at spoilers unless i find atleast the raw out on the net-> i havent looked at anything from ep 25+. with zest's best b4 date coming up fast those 2 may happen to paired up more often when he's gone.
edit found ep 25 raw on youtube :)
Eisdrache
2007-09-26, 07:01
Indeed, I saw the subbed version some minutes ago ... then it took me about an hour to read through this thread :rolleyes: However on a 1-10 scala for Ridiculousness this episode gets a full 12.
Maybe I am just stupid but Due looks exactly like Carim.
Fried is a chicken?
Who named Lutecias last summon "Haktenou" ..... I wont be surprised if Midori from Mai-Hime shows up and summons Gaktenou :eyebrow:
Voltaire blasting Haktenou away and then standing there with crossed arms, I cant stop laughing when thinking at this scene.
Uno must have an IS, because well, just because she is a combat cyborg too ...
I found Sette the whole time annoying (the voice >_<) good she got 1-hitted.
HELL YES Fate looks fantastic with dual saber. But someone already mentioned it on the previous pages: No spells, no dual-attack, no nothing, just charge! and basta :\
I still find it hilarious that they named her Sister "Schach", the german word for Schach. Btw Windel is the german word for Diapers ^^
And last but not least: OMG SOMEONE GOT KILLED AND WE ALL COULD SEE IT. At least that explains the random employee sitting there duh.
Uno must have an IS, because well, just because she is a combat cyborg too ...
She does. But it's only named on the character bio on the official webpage. Flawless Secretary, the ability to perfectly process information and command the other Numbers.
Mirificus
2007-09-26, 08:19
Indeed, I saw the subbed version some minutes ago ... then it took me about an hour to read through this thread :rolleyes: However on a 1-10 scala for Ridiculousness this episode gets a full 12.
Maybe I am just stupid but Due looks exactly like Carim.
Take a closer look.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7486/due01mn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3045/carim01mq3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Jeffry2009
2007-09-28, 23:40
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/ScreenShot005.jpghttp://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/ScreenShot007-1.jpghttp://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb66/ameria07/ScreenShot008-1.jpg
HA!! Jail Got OWNED!!:D *feels good after watching the sub version*
What Fate is a twin sword fighter? :) Like wow. I allways liked her but this is too mutch. She chop down Sete and Tre with her I thing its called Riot Zamber in no time. I thaught they put a biger fight. And at last Jail got exactly what he deserved.
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