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ayukanon45
2007-09-13, 14:58
just saw it, ammazing episode, be ready for a wtf? unless, you alreadyt no. WTF?
Finished watching it on Nico. Really great episode but I felt they tossed away the Satoko rescue too soon. Seems like they were in a hurry to get to the festival. I think I noticed some new music tracks too
ayukanon45
2007-09-13, 15:17
yep, they ARE releasing a second soundtrack
yep, they ARE releasing a second soundtrack
You mean third.
And please, don't tell me this is if the first time someone has noticed new BGM material. New BGM material has been appearing since the second episode of Kai.
I know there's been new tracks, but I don't recall hearing the ones in this episode before. Or maybe my excitement is interfering with my brain.
ayukanon45
2007-09-13, 15:36
yueah, i meant 3rd, but yes, its been very obvious since then. I just dont want to wait for the new ost!!! btw, does this end the arc, i wasnt really paying much attention to detail, and i dont want to rewatch it.
yueah, i meant 3rd, but yes, its been very obvious since then. I just dont want to wait for the new ost!!! btw, does this end the arc, i wasnt really paying much attention to detail, and i dont want to rewatch it.
According to the episode titles, Minagoroshi ends on the 13th episode.
Klashikari
2007-09-13, 15:40
let's see :
Teppei is interrupted by the phone call and isn't exactly thrilled by this, leaving satoko severely beaten (she has bruises everywhere, her face included. in fact, her mouth is slightly bleeding)
The call is of course one of the consultant of the child agency, having some questions for Satoko. Teppei tries to make some excuses, but the consultant is persistent enough, and he goes looking for his niece
Teppei tells to satoko she has a phone call, however, he "subtely" threaten her as he is her family, and satoshi's room might be in bad shape if she screws around. He also press her shoulders with forces. Satoko understands and pick the call
Soon, Keiichi picks the phone instead and tells her that they succeed to change everyone's mind, even the Sonozaki. Keiichi is very excited by this. Then Rika picks the phone, assuring her the village no longer bully her. Satoko doesn't believe that, and Rika (in her kuro mode) admits she didn't believe it either, but Keiichi proved he could beat fate. Teppei is still behind her and strengthen his grip on her shoulders. Rika talks about Satoshi and the fact he did "that" for her, and it shouldn't be a trial. Teppei doesn't understand quite much and begins to glare at Satoko. She begins to panick a bit, and the consultant takes back the call, asking once again if Teppei is abusing her. Satoko finally asks them to be saved, Teppei instantly reacts, yelling she betrayed her.
Satoko is "back to normal", and yell at teppei to go away, that this house is hers and satoshi's, and she hates her. As she is yelling him to go away once more, Teppei slaps her, yelling "what's that stare huh?" He grabs her head, slams her down and is about to punch her, but he is interrupted by some men who knock on the door. This is the police. Teppei opens the door and is instantly abducted by the men. Keiichi is worried, but Ooishi assures him everything is okay and he contacted his men with his talki walkie.
Teppei is taken into custody. Satoko is with a policewoman and everyone is there. Satoko burst in tears, rushes towards rika and both hug each other. And then, the watanagashi festival...
Everyone rush immediately to the tayakoyaki stand, while Rika and Hanyuu talk a bit. Both notice the Festival is even lively than usual, and Rika is simply happy, and joins the rest. However, Hanyuu stays behind, reverting back her sad expression.
In the night of watanagashi, Rika talks once again with Tomitake and Takano. Tommy is still wondering why they would be killed. takano is amused and says it is probably the curse. Rika foretells them that Tomitake will scratches his throat to death (hemorraghe shock) while Takano will be found somewhere in the mountain, burned in a can. Tomitake is wondering if it is the "LEVEL 5" for his case, but assures her he will be fine. Takano wonders if Rika made a dream. Takano says everything will be alright and Tomitake will protect her. Rika then wonders who will protect her if both of them are killed. Takano says the yamainu will keep their job on, but Rika isn't exactly persuaded. Both tell her that Irie is still there.
They really don't take Rika seriously and she leaves them. Despite they don't buy what she said, Rika won't give up
Rika then explains the facts to Ooishi, who wonder where she knew about this. Ooishi understands it might be the fifth year of the curse (Tomitake is killed, Takano is missing). Ooishi understood her emssage and will do the necessary. Rika is relieved, and tells him no one aside him believed her, and Ooishi then says it is his job so.
Rika is in front of the shrine with everyone else, and tells them that Tomitake and Takano will be killed tonight. Keiichi is alright with this, and suggest them to look for Tomitake, first.
If you don't want to be spoiled any further, DON'T READ the PART B. it is HUGE.
Everyone escorted the couple, and Tomitake assures them it is okay now. Rika is still worried about them. The groups greet each other good night, and leave. Rika is still really worried.
Tomitake is packing his bag, and asks Takano to tell Irie about Rika, which might go paranoid. If something happens to her, it might be bad for them. Takano suddenly puts her hand on his, and tells him she loves him.
They don't have much time, and Takano mentions about her dream.
Takano wants to make the curse of Oyashiro-sama as a reality.
Tomitake says "no way...", but Takano confirms his doubt. Tomitake stands up immediately, and takano was expecting this reaction.
Takano says it is part of her job and opens the door, and the yamainu infiltrates immediately the room. Takano mentions they were sent by Tokyo to "diffuse the bomb", but they can also make it explodes.
Tomitake is completely shocked and doesn't want to believe this. He knows what would happen if they do this, and Takano confirms this.
Tomitake tries to convince Okonogi (the leader of the Yamainu?) but takano is amused, since the Yamainu is HER troop.
The Yamainu then restrain Tomitake on the ground.
Takano is delighted, but asks once again if Tomitake would follow her. Tomitake doesn't want to be a comrade/accomplice. Takano then shows a syringe. Takano begins some delirium speech, while Tomitake is helpless, knowing his incoming demise.
Tomitake is put in the chest of Takano's car. She then gives to the Yamainu their orders. Takano drives the car, but notices a police car, which doesn't help her plan. She keeps going.
She stops someplace ahead, and unload Tomitake, and his bike.
She then says once Tomitake will wake up, he will goes to LEVEL 5 and die. It will fit the Curse.
Takano is wearing a black suit, and drink a tea in a operation truck. One of her men reports something about Tomitake's corpse. Takano doesn't mind, and asks to go on on their plan, but the Soldier is a bit hesitant. Takano is in her delirium.
The solider understands, and is about to leave. But takano stops him and asks how was her cover for her "death", and he explains that they burned a body and put in a dram can around the mountain.
The police found tomitake's corpse. Kuma is reporting the details, while ooishi conclude it is the fifth time. Irie is present and doesn't believe it, and doesn't WANT to believe it.
Takano is awaiting the massacre...Complains : the tracks were a bit off, especially for the first part, while the later part sound too recycled.
Also, the transition between satoko's conclusion and the festival is a bit fast, but it isn't too bad.
Praises: The big impact of Satoko's case (TAKE THAT TEPPEI). Rika's fight, despite "everything look normal". She doesn't take things easy.
Aside of this, they really wanted to put a slow but sinister mood of the change of the event.
Rika did everything she could do, and it is obviously a dead end...
An excellent episode, and frankly, next week will be a killer.
Deathkillz
2007-09-13, 15:50
oki wtf just happened :eyespin:
And when things where going so well...why did takano had to go and do that ;___;
Ive always suspected her of something and this just confirms it...gah this arc is killing me! @_@
on a happier note: yay for satoko! :D
Yeah this episode had a really nice transition with the victory for Satoko followed by the unfolding murder plan.
I may need to watch it again!
Sterling01
2007-09-13, 16:55
Takano is falling off the deep end
I mean she looks so tired
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/68/37774688ux9.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=37774688ux9.jpg)
RAW's out
harukamae
2007-09-13, 18:20
auauau
This is just awesome! We finally get a look from the other side of the "Fifth Year Curse"! I am pumped and cannot wait for next week! It'll be awesome to see the showdown in the woods animated...
But I do agree, I think they threw away the Satoko/Teppei portion...I mean, I know they have a lot of ground to cover, but still...
Takano is falling off the deep end
I mean she looks so tired
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/68/37774688ux9.th.jpg (http://img413.imageshack.us/my.php?image=37774688ux9.jpg)
RAW's out
That's why people call her Droopy.
Yeah i watched the preview for this episode last week, but still, THAT WAS CRAZY. Brilliantly done, just what i've been waiting to see in Kai.
Takano was on top form this episode --- just when you think you've seen everything about her, and now this. I was very surprised, though couldn't help but love the mood set at the time.
Yet again the musical score for this series is played at the correct times, just like the first series. Kawai has always created such tracks that let out the right level of emotion for that scene, and they're used perfectly in this show.
Hmm...well, another great epsiode, besides the minor points that went on too fast, the epsiode is nicely done.
We are now finally into the anti-climax of the story, and the real meaning of Minagoroshi-hen will soon take place. Some parts still went too fast, namely Satoko's rescue, and espically Tomi's struggle.
Takano's quote of "Just expected from Jirou-san, we need 6 Yamainu to supress you" makes no sense when Tomi just got knocked over in like 5 seconds. They should've at least shown that some of the Yamainu was knocked down to show that Tomi is actually THAT strong
It's good to see Dr.Iri at the end, but he really could've talked more. It's good that they will spend more time at this anti-climax portion, since the coming epsiodes will be just as epic than what happened earlier in the arc.
Sterling01
2007-09-13, 19:30
Yeah i watched the preview for this episode last week, but still, THAT WAS CRAZY. Brilliantly done, just what i've been waiting to see in Kai.
Takano was on top form this episode --- just when you think you've seen everything about her, and now this. I was very surprised, though couldn't help but love the mood set at the time.
Yet again the musical score for this series is played at the correct times, just like the first series. Kawai has always created such tracks that let out the right level of emotion for that scene, and they're used perfectly in this show.
I still don't understand why they didn't use the game's music
I still don't understand why they didn't use the game's music
Because they didn't choose to use it, plain and simple.
It would have been nice for the game music (like what Kyoani do with there Key adaptations), though i'm perfectly happy with a new Kawai score. I love his work, especially when it fits perfectly in Higurashi.
Klashikari
2007-09-13, 19:56
Well... it is hard to say.
Frankly, i don't mind Kawai's new tracks (which are much more effective than those used for S1), but some time, it is just over used or too dull.
I'm especially referring to Satoko's outburst and hug.... to be quite blunt, the tracks were like... well a dull drama for some powerful moments. These are the only scenes i would complain in this ep for the BGM.
*phew*
well then, here is the truckload of screencaps. Again, you will be spoiled if you take a peek at these, i leave that to your own discretion.
Episode 11 : Screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/09/14/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-11-minagoroshi-hen-6-tsuyoi-ishi/)
MrZombie
2007-09-13, 20:21
I do have to agree about the music. It's no where as powerful as those found in the games, hell even Matsuri's soundtrack is much, much better.
And really, I agree what the hell "The as expected" line. Lazy animation again!
But still, some very nice moments in this episode. I still gave it a ten despite the failings this episode had. I enjoyed the hell out of it.
Christen
2007-09-13, 21:47
Can anyone give what was missing in the Satoko/Teppei struggle?
Hauu's subtitle file is up.
http://rapidshare.com/files/55709785/Higurashi.no.Naku.Koro.ni.Kai.11.ass.html
Sterling01
2007-09-14, 13:28
preview for ep 12 up
http://www.oyashirosama.com/web/kai/onair/index.htm
BWAHAHAHA! It feels so good to be right. I have been saying Takano is evil since forever and I actually got that Yamainu work for her a few episodes ago. Evil Takano FTW!
Thinking back to Tatarigoroshi-hen, I KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING ON, especially with the 'Takano died 24 hours earlier'. That seriously left my head going into Kai, i should have kept thinking about it, especially with the situation between Satoko and her uncle being the same.
Takano is the evil woman of the century~
No room in the trunk for Keiichi's bike. :D
SeventhHS
2007-09-14, 15:36
Thinking back to Tatarigoroshi-hen, I KNEW SOMETHING WAS GOING ON, especially with the 'Takano died 24 hours earlier'. That seriously left my head going into Kai, i should have kept thinking about it, especially with the situation between Satoko and her uncle being the same.
Takano is the evil woman of the century~
The Tatarigoroshi-hen TIP Research Note II (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=601921&postcount=64) was the smoking gun for me.
No room in the trunk for Keiichi's bike. :D
Yes! :3
I'll go back and watch that episode, just so i can laugh and evil smile, now knowing the truth.
Takano was so damn cool in this episode with her maniacal chuckle. I was expecting her to be a little bit surprised when she realized Rika's predictions were right, but she showed no surprise at all, simply intrigue. Plus watching her go from being a nurse to commanding an entire unit with such respect just made me like her character that much more.
Finally, we'll soon get to see Takano's motivation for all this ... that's the real draw of Kai for me.
I actually liked the background music when Satoko was reunited with Rika, it felt right to me. With that said, I've never played the game, so I guess I don't have anything to compare it with.
Mystearika
2007-09-14, 16:14
Yes! :3
I'll go back and watch that episode, just so i can laugh and evil smile, now knowing the truth.
^^ such a great ep, its getting so exciting
hehe i also thougt about tatarigoroshi, takano sure know to act creepy the bike part is so cool ^^
There's something I'm confused about:
According to the coroner's report, Tomitake came up clean from any substances...
So what was that syringe? Was it the disease itself, or did it only trigger it? Did Takano even inject him?
From what I read from what little has been translated of the sound novel, he already showed symptoms when he heard heard Hanyuu in the shrine. So wouldn't that would mean he wasn't vaccinated even though he claimed to have been?
There's something I'm confused about:
According to the coroner's report, Tomitake came up clean from any substances...
So what was that syringe? Was it the disease itself, or did it only trigger it? Did Takano even inject him?
From what I read from what little has been translated of the sound novel, he already showed symptoms when he heard heard Hanyuu in the shrine. So wouldn't that would mean he wasn't vaccinated even though he claimed to have been?
Takano did say he took the wrong medicine
I have been waiting so long for this! Finally watching Takano in black in the anime!
Awesome episode, got an instant 10.
Music, feeling, everything got right. Next episode is going to be so freaking sweet :eyespin:
Sterling01
2007-09-14, 16:56
Why is everyone using spoiler tags there's no need to since the subs are out
Why is everyone using spoiler tags there's no need to since the subs are out
Because not everyone is going to use ass files.
jwthechamp
2007-09-14, 17:06
Well I can't use an .ass file because I don't know how to.
Anyway as for the episode, I thought it was great. Sure the music didn't quite fit, but it wasn't too bad.
Exactly how do you use .ass files?
just rename the .ass to the videofile.avi.ass
eg. subs.ass becomes video.avi.ass (or video.ass)
On another note, episode was excellent. Can't wait for next week. Should be quite a shocker. :eyespin:
The Tatarigoroshi-hen TIP Research Note II (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=601921&postcount=64) was the smoking gun for me.
Nice catch.
Come to think of it, I am actually somewhat disppointed that Takano is (for now at least) the mastermind, it was a bit too obvious. Though her going all moe and cute when she entered the shrine warehouse was a nice combination of red herring and genuine clue. I can imagine her gleefully lighting up the fuse by killing Rika just to see what happens as indicated by the tip but why do the Yamainu follow her? Why do "some people in Tokyo" want the Hinamizawa "bomb" to explode? Just to expose the government's failing seems quite an inadequate motive. If there is a vaccine how come the illness still exists? Many unaswered questions, should be a fun ride from now to te end.
I was frankly getting a bit tired of the Satoko affair, so the second half of this episode was much more appreciated than the first.
Sterling01
2007-09-14, 18:55
Just how tommy said it
"Something happens to Rika" = "Disaster"
Takano already knows what would happen if Rika were to be killed
GyroidFanatic
2007-09-14, 18:57
Why do "some people in Tokyo" want the Hinamizawa "bomb" to explode? Just to expose the government's failing seems quite an inadequate motive. Because it's a lot cheaper and faster way of getting rid of the problem
Because it's a lot cheaper and faster way of getting rid of the problem
The vaccine research and realted activities must really cost many millions, if these people in power are ready to face the possibility of a huge scandal in order to erase Hinamizawa. There has got to be another reason, IMO.
There's something I'm confused about:
According to the coroner's report, Tomitake came up clean from any substances...
Those tests would have been for known drugs
The vaccine research and realted activities must really cost many millions, if these people in power are ready to face the possibility of a huge scandal in order to erase Hinamizawa. There has got to be another reason, IMO.
The reason is internal politics within their organisation. Someone has to be backing Irie's research at a high level in the organisation. That someone will be discredited if the investment turns out to be wasted.
preview for ep 12 up
http://www.oyashirosama.com/web/kai/onair/index.htm
Not so spoiler'ish, but things are getting complicated for Rika and the gang with the wataganashi deads.
Next episode is called: Hinamizawa Syndrome
ApathyEcstasy
2007-09-15, 15:53
god i wanna strangle that b**ch
dspr8_rugged
2007-09-15, 16:48
Seen Episode 11.
No surprise there, really. With regards to the mastermind's identity, that is. And thank God that the thing with Satoko has finally ended.
For sure next week will be lots of "fun". :heh:
Sterling01
2007-09-15, 18:28
Fun for her at least.
Omfgbbqwtf
2007-09-15, 18:56
Ah..... Now things from episode 1 start to make more sense now. The bicycle in Takano's car and others. Poor Rika, it's pretty much impossible for her to prevent the death of Jiro and Irie without some sort of major helps.
FlareKnight
2007-09-15, 18:58
Well we finally hit the turning point where things go bad that I knew was coming.
The first half was pretty good in terms of things working out. Was concerned either Satoko wouldn't accept the help or Teppei would kill her before anyone could show up. Nice on Ooishi to call in the cavalry and bring him down before things got to a seriously bad place. Plus good on Rika to make her stand and finally get Satoko to reach out for some help. At least we got the defeating of Satoko's fate.
Even though it obviously failed positive on Rika to do everything she could think of to stop Tomitake from getting killed. The warnings, going to the police, and even having her friends follow them around to guard them were great attempts. Sadly you can't do much if the enemy is right there and has the power to stop anything you're going to try.
Had a feeling Takano was bad but this pretty much puts her right in there as the enemy to be defeated. Though I'm right back at not having a clue how Rika can handle this. She's up against a governmental level force. Know the next couple episodes won't be pretty rough. Looks like this arc will give us some info and set things up for the final bout that will finish the series.
And yeah for all that talk about Tomitake. Maybe if they had shown him doing something rather than being taken out in 5 seconds it would've made sense there.
Sterling01
2007-09-15, 19:02
Well the full force of Hinamizawa did beat the government before
FlareKnight
2007-09-15, 19:16
Well they did manage to handle the Dam Situation. Though a full scale genocide, is on a different scale in terms of conflict.
I think the most important thing if they can't win in this world is Rika finding out everything that's going on. It's hard enough to do anything if she doesn't have the information available. Maybe the only chance they've got is by arming up the village and turning this into a serious battle.
Sterling01
2007-09-15, 19:22
We shall see :rolleyes:
Klashikari
2007-09-15, 20:10
it... is done...*dies in exhaustion*
dunno if you waited for this but meh... you know the drill
Episode 11 : Analysis, Thoughts and Random comments (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/09/16/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-11-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)
TONS of hints in this episode, and we will get happy fun time for the next 2 episodes.
I prepare my box of tissues.
Sterling01
2007-09-15, 20:29
I think you went a little too deep in Takano's motives with where the anime is at
My god, this episode made me giddy.
Not only does Teppei gets arrested but the scene with Takano just made me rigid with shock.
And since I haven't played the games, this anime should be a whole lot more fun since I don't know what will happen.
Klashikari
2007-09-15, 20:59
I think you went a little too deep in Takano's motives with where the anime is at
humm, i guess the "rika" part was too much in the motives or execution. I modified it a bit.
But if you were talking about the "yoko" TIPS, i believe it is fairly pertinent considering it wouldn't fit anyone else.
hope i didn't make any other mistake though.
Mashimaro
2007-09-15, 21:04
Bam! I knew it!
I've always had a bad feeling about her.
Her attitude.. being carefree and sarcastic all the time.
Sterling01
2007-09-15, 21:07
Yeah you changed what I was talking about (rika)
Klashikari
2007-09-15, 21:16
indeed, in fact i corrected it as well with the rika part... (sounds like wordpress takes a painful time to actually refresh... dang it)
guess i went REALLy overboard for this one. *tired* :heh:
Wow. If I understood it right, I think a lot of what I'd thought is true. For instance The disease or "Hinamizawa Syndrome" was discovered recently, probably during the dam incident, since vaccination and exposure are only now near completion.
The government recognizes its legitimate danger above and beyond any modern epidemic, since there are no symptoms and death is not given, unless the person is agitated, and the patient will not die alone. How does one quarantine a disease when there's no way to tell if a person has it, or if they had it and overcame it, and testing treatments brings with it the risk of creating a psychopathic killer? Each year creates more tension, straining the situation further. Thus the government has set up a two-tier plan, first to try to cure the disease, and second, in the worst case, to eradicate the disease along with its hosts and environment. The Yamainu and 34, for some reason, want to expose the situation and the government's tactics by making things as messy as possible. The SDF probably were required to kill the population, but to make sure that everyone seems to have died from a natural disaster so the government isn't questioned. The Yamainu are probably the ones that chased people and killed them in the woods, since the SDF would not stop until they'd found and eliminated the bodies and evidence instead of leaving traces of foul play behind.As for why the vaccine hadn't been widely distributed, I think that would have been dangerous in this case. You'd basically be telling the people that they were sick and didn't know it, and that the right amount of tension could make any one of them snap and butcher their friends. Not only would many people protest and resist in disbelief, but belief would mean suddenly discovering that everyone you know could be a killer with you high on their list. Basically, if anyone knew what was really going on, the result could very well decay into an absolute bloodbath. The government can't openly pursue treatment, but if they don't go fast they'll have to take measures that go far beyond any form of taboo. It would be far too easy afterwards to paint the government as an evil that must be destroyed. No telling how far you could ride that wave.
Cardiac Glycoside
2007-09-15, 23:29
Hmm. This only further reinforces my maxim: DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT.
Especially one that doesn't mind that an atrocity will fulfill some crazy bitch's personal vendetta.
That Droopy-san is the villain should not come as a surprise to anyone. Now;
it is clear why Irie dies. Given his utter shock at Tomitake's death, his ignorance of Droopy's scheming and his research, all this must scare him into perhaps leaking details of the disease or somehow trying to stop the Yamainu.
So, either in retaliation or as a preemptive measure, they'll poison him and make it look like a suicide.
I don't think this is earth-shaking, but back-track a little bit: Did anyone notice that The doctor that pronounced Satoko dead in ep. 5 of this season is the same one that pronounced Irie dead in ep. 13 of the previous season?The plot thickens!
BakaOnna
2007-09-15, 23:57
Watching Takano do her evil deeds sure makes me hate her a lot more than reading the spoilers. :heh: I wish I never read the Minagoroshi-hen and Matsuriburushi-hen summaries though. Too late now.
I loved the episode. Now the true meaning of minagoroshi will be finally revealed. :)
Miko Miko
2007-09-16, 04:19
OMG Takano T_T I wouldn't have guessed :p
That episode makes me not want to wait until next week :sad:
rainbow_rena
2007-09-16, 05:16
Although that was a wtf episode. It's starting to make sence
also is this correct?:
In season one in the first arc. keichii stays off from school with a cold and goes to the doctor (this is from memory) and then claws his throat in the end. is this because of Takano doing what she did to tomitake?
Klashikari
2007-09-16, 05:21
no, it is not really related.
As you can see with Tomitake, the injection had a very fast effect on him.
Meanwhile, Keiichi was gradually becoming mad, and he wasn't going LEVEL 5 soon after Irie's shot. Irie probably did the same for Satoko: maybe some medecine to prevent some symptom which could appear, just in case.
Solafighter
2007-09-16, 08:00
Now it begins to be very interesting. I canīt wait for the next episode. :)
KaneDragon
2007-09-16, 12:25
Evil or not, I will say this: Takano's lookin' mighty stylish there at the end. Nice hat, Major. :p
Deathwing
2007-09-16, 14:50
evil evil women i hope she dies with everybody else and i hope she dies painfully
MonkeyDude
2007-09-16, 15:01
There's something I'm confused about:
According to the coroner's report, Tomitake came up clean from any substances...
So what was that syringe? Was it the disease itself, or did it only trigger it? Did Takano even inject him?
From what I read from what little has been translated of the sound novel, he already showed symptoms when he heard heard Hanyuu in the shrine. So wouldn't that would mean he wasn't vaccinated even though he claimed to have been?
Lemme give this a shot...
that the syndrome itself become harmless proteins or just plain disappears after the death of its host. I think that was the reason it was developed into a biological weapon, what better weapon that one which removes any trace of its existence after the person scratches his/her throat out?
Hmm. This only further reinforces my maxim: DO NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT.
Especially one that doesn't mind that an atrocity will fulfill some crazy bitch's personal vendetta.
That Droopy-san is the villain should not come as a surprise to anyone. Now;
it is clear why Irie dies. Given his utter shock at Tomitake's death, his ignorance of Droopy's scheming and his research, all this must scare him into perhaps leaking details of the disease or somehow trying to stop the Yamainu.
So, either in retaliation or as a preemptive measure, they'll poison him and make it look like a suicide.
I don't think this is earth-shaking, but back-track a little bit: Did anyone notice that The doctor that pronounced Satoko dead in ep. 5 of this season is the same one that pronounced Irie dead in ep. 13 of the previous season?The plot thickens!
That is possible and in my opinion. Hahaha I should try and find those episodes as quickly as possible.
Evil or not, I will say this: Takano's lookin' mighty stylish there at the end. Nice hat, Major. :p
Hahaha, someone needs to do a cross over of Motoko from GITS and Takano. That would be pretty interesting.
Lemme give this a shot...
that the syndrome itself become harmless proteins or just plain disappears after the death of its host. I think that was the reason it was developed into a biological weapon, what better weapon that one which removes any trace of its existence after the person scratches his/her throat out?
That theory is possible, and that thought has been in my head for a while since season 1. (When Keichii was injected by the syringe by Rena and Mion with a few moments later he dies in a phone booth with his neck slitted by his nails. That's how the event happened from Keichii's point of view). In season one after Keichii dies in the phone booth, they stated that there was no traces of injection of some sort and the message in the bed room clock (where Rena and Mion were killed by Keichii again from what see were shown). He wrote down that he was injected with something and yet there were no evidence he was injected with something.
With that I can't wait for the final arc to happen. I think there will be a few original "extra arcs" after this (one example of the "extra arcs" has Rika as the main character and she is the "villian").
Sterling01
2007-09-16, 17:30
nope after this arc ends it goes straight to the final PC ver. arc (but I'm still hoping that the anime will use the True end (PS2) and not the good end)
kitedragon
2007-09-16, 17:48
That theory is possible, and that thought has been in my head for a while since season 1. (When Keichii was injected by the syringe by Rena and Mion with a few moments later he dies in a phone booth with his neck slitted by his nails. That's how the event happened from Keichii's point of view). In season one after Keichii dies in the phone booth, they stated that there was no traces of injection of some sort and the message in the bed room clock (where Rena and Mion were killed by Keichii again from what see were shown). He wrote down that he was injected with something and yet there were no evidence he was injected with something.
At first I thought that that was a red herring. Later, we learn that he really never was injected by anything, so I paid it no mind. But from the earlier TIPS along with all the mentions of a disease being responsible for the death in Hinamizawa, you can conclude that Tomitake was indeed killed by a disease that is not known to general doctors.
Ahasuerus
2007-09-16, 17:50
First off, big thanks to this forum and Klashikari's blog-work; without either I'd still be relatively clueless, at least up until this season when things really started making sense. Your contributions are greatly appreciated; this is (aside from Elfen Lied) my favorite anime, and I needed help with much of it as I never played the game.
ANYWAY: One thing that is bugging me... and it's so minor, yet really compelling: In the OP, where Rika picks up a golden lump and looks at it, I am SURE that it must be significant or else they wouldn't have included it so as to be seen in every opening! What's up with that?
I was spoiled in Season One by watching it all at once (several times LOL); this waiting for the next episode is KILLING me :twitch:
Sterling01
2007-09-16, 18:05
You'll know what it is when the anime gets to it.
It's like asking who that little blond girl thats crying is (it's not satoko)
SeventhHS
2007-09-16, 18:42
Isn't the golden lump just one of the worlds (or 'fragments of time' as the OP song puts it) that was shown in the Minagoroshi prologue?
Ahasuerus
2007-09-16, 18:42
It's like asking who that little blond girl thats crying is (it's not satoko)
If you mean in the shot JUST before Rika's "golden nugget" I always figured it had to be Satoko. Thanks for raising this doubt :D
The OP is one of my favorites ever (as was Season 1) and I always look closely (when I'm not reading subtitles :p). Just goes to show that EVERY DETAIL is important. The only problem is that you never really know what to believe.
Season 1's ending "Can you believe it?" is right on the money LOL Takano is a great case in point: suspected her; then put aside as too flakey; then suspicious again; then just a casualty; now... :eyespin:
I'd shout "make it stop!!!" but I don't want it to :heh:
Isn't the golden lump just one of the worlds (or 'fragments of time' as the OP song puts it) that was shown in the Minagoroshi prologue?
That's an interesting theory; I think judging from:
You'll know what it is when the anime gets to it.
that the answer must be spoileriffic. I guess I should have asked that in "General" but it occurred to me whilst typing (I'm avoiding other subforums while the season is ongoing).
Sterling01
2007-09-16, 18:47
Isn't the golden lump just one of the worlds (or 'fragments of time' as the OP song puts it) that was shown in the Minagoroshi prologue?
it's a very special one
Sounds like it's the "right" lump/world?
Considering how Tomitake could come up healthy, I think some people are overthinking it a bit. There's all sorts of different bacteria and viruses naturally in every body. You won't notice an extra one unless you're at a point of infection where the malicious nature is apparent, and at this point they don't have any reason to suspect illness of this sort. The past "disappearances" have been completely lost, so there's no record if previous victims showed the symptoms. With a suicide like this, they wouldn't likely even think of looking for an infection. Also, the government has more than enough reason to try and keep any information about a disease or illness related to this death secret. In this situation, I strongly suspect that the government has a great deal of cooperation from the hospitals, not to mention at least a few nurses and orderlies directly under their command.
Sterling01
2007-09-16, 19:40
it could be... but that wasn't what I was talking about
Darklightz
2007-09-16, 19:48
Now that was a true Higurashi episode,some answers and plenty of questions.
So Rika's warnings ere useless in the end. Even worse, the Yamainu will be watching her closely from now her (and not to protect her this time).
Well on a lighter note I'm happy that bastard Teppei is finally in jail.
FatPianoBoy
2007-09-16, 19:55
Well on a lighter note I'm happy that Teppei is finally in jail.
And that Satoko no longer sucks :D
*Dodges flying objects from Satoko fanboys*
Once again, Rika is screwed by no fault of her own. If only she'd known how nutty 34 is...
Although that was a wtf episode. It's starting to make sence
also is this correct?:
In season one in the first arc. keichii stays off from school with a cold and goes to the doctor (this is from memory) and then claws his throat in the end. is this because of Takano doing what she did to tomitake?
No. Keiichi's development of symptoms is gradual and has the same basic progression and trigger as anyone else who succumbs. His "cold" is I, still think, the initial infection, although it is possible that Takano, already intent on her plans, didn't give him the injection that would have actually helped him. Tomitake on the other is immediately terminal after being given the second inoculation without actually having been exposed to the usual kind of triggering stress. He was probably initially infected by the same inoculation that was supposed to protect him, and then given a drug that instead of suppressing the parasite, kicks it into high gear.
Sterling01
2007-09-16, 20:28
In the game K1 was actually showing symptoms while he was coming back from the funeral he went to that was in the city. When he heard someone (Hanyuu) on the train saying "I'm sorry" over and over
kitedragon
2007-09-16, 20:32
In the game K1 was actually showing symptoms while he was coming back from the funeral he went to that was in the city. When he heard someone (Hanyuu) on the train saying "I'm sorry" over and over
A little of topic for this episode but: Do you know why she said that?
Sterling01
2007-09-16, 20:35
She thought it was her fault
aliensporebomb
2007-09-16, 21:02
Wow.
I knew she was a nutcase, potentially even a dangerous nutcase.
I didn't care for her much in season one, and her smarmy sneering delivery
lead me to believe she had nothing but contempt for everyone in the town
but only thinly disguised.
But, Takano Miyo is the worst kind of nutcase:
A dangerous, psychotic nutcase with a charismatic appeal that makes seemingly
normal people follow her.
Amoral, willing to kill at the drop of a hat, willing to do anything to further her ends.
She seemed delighted with glee, though, when her scheme will be so big that
"Tokyo can't cover it up". It's almost like she wants a really big catastrophe so
that the world finds out? What the hell is she getting from this?
She's someone who's managed to get into a position of control in the military,
this is really bad and the chapter "a Strong Will" shows that not only her own
strong will is at work but those in the government. This goes straight to the
top. And she's using her influence to control the outcome of events to suit her
ends.
My guess: the government was hoping that this disease could be harnessed
as a weapon. When they realized they couldn't control it they decided to have
the town obliterated because if that organism got out of that town and to the world,
well, they'd have a hell of a lot more to worry about than a watanagashi event.
Brrrrr. Scary.
After reading what I said in my spoiler, what if all the governments indulging in
germ warfare have something like this in their secret labs? Gives me the creeps.
SeventhHS
2007-09-16, 21:04
She thought it was her fault
What was her fault? Keiichi hadn't done anything yet, as far as I recall.
Sterling01
2007-09-16, 21:07
Can't say or mods will eat me
shigure asa
2007-09-16, 22:00
Can't say or mods will eat me
no no, it's not like that at all!!
you'll just be cursed kidnapped tortured eaten alive and then killed transferred out ♥
that reason is a real spoiler though~~ you shouldn't post it~~
SeventhHS
2007-09-16, 22:17
Ah, never mind. I found the relevant puzzle piece and re-read it. I still don't understand why she's apologizing, but that's off topic for this thread, anyway.
Garet Linegod
2007-09-17, 01:45
Now that Takano's secret is out, it'll be interesting to see how people will change their views about her as we take a roller coaster ride from the final part of Minagoroshi-hen to the start of Matsuribayashi-hen.
Sterling01: Which is why I still prefer they use Matsuribayashi-hen instead of Miotsukushi-hen. Since Miotsukushi-hen only focused on Rika and her friends' side of things, it turned Takano into just an evil scientist who went mad. (That and Miotsukushi-hen focuses too much on Mion, apparently because of some bad organising and storytelling).
aliensporebomb
2007-09-17, 07:20
I just had a thought. It's just wacky enough to be true.
How much you want to bet Takano Miyo has a secret chamber somewhere
with Satoshi strapped to a bed and he's being "experimented" on by a certain
nutcase blond?
Maybe she even said the same things to him that she said to a certain
photographer?
Sterling01
2007-09-17, 07:43
@Garet Linegod: I just want there to be a mixture of the two endings
Well, it was hinted a lot in tips etc. that this is what happens, but I had a hard time believing it before seeing it, that Takano, and her numerous powerful allies want to unleash the disease for no real reason other than that they're nuts.
But then what's with the gas disaster? And what does Takano do afterwards? My theory is that the goverment catches up to what she's doing (maybe from Irie), takes her out and gasses the village as a last resort to prevent the disease from spreading. Irie protests and tries to stop them, but is quickly silenced. Any survivors who know too much, like Satoko in the first chapter of Kai, are also killed off so that the goverment can make that disaster look natural. Because even if they had no choice but to gas the village, few would forgive them if the truth came out.
The way for Rika to overcome this final obstacle would be to present Irie/Tomitake with undeniable proof that Takano is an evil biatch in the next world, before she carries her plans out. But there are 2 episodes left, so I think there will be a faster solution.
Now that Takano's secret is out, it'll be interesting to see how people will change their views about her as we take a roller coaster ride from the final part of Minagoroshi-hen to the start of Matsuribayashi-hen.
Well, I actually like Takano even more now. :) I hope her seiyuu gets to voice more villains in the future.
Well, it was hinted a lot in tips etc. that this is what happens, but I had a hard time believing it before seeing it, that Takano, and her numerous powerful allies want to unleash the disease for no real reason other than that they're nuts.
Well, I for one hope they do have another reason for doing that, just being crazy is one lame explanation of the mystery.
My theory is that the goverment catches up to what she's doing (maybe from Irie), takes her out and gasses the village as a last resort to prevent the disease from spreading.
I think we can be pretty certain Takano and the Yamainu are those who gas the village. The dominant faction in the government doesn't want "detonate the bomb", plus Irie tends to die before the Disaster strikes. Plus, there doesn't seem to be enough time for the government to learn that the disease is out of control (and when have we seen that? It's usually just one of Rika's friends going ballistic) and strike. And let's not forget Nekogoroshi-hen which clearly hinted at the Yamainu causing the Great Hinamizawa Disaster.
aliensporebomb
2007-09-17, 15:59
Snip..
But then what's with the gas disaster? And what does Takano do afterwards? My theory is that the goverment catches up to what she's doing (maybe from Irie), takes her out and gasses the village as a last resort to prevent the disease from spreading. Irie protests and tries to stop them, but is quickly silenced. Any survivors who know too much, like Satoko in the first chapter of Kai, are also killed off so that the goverment can make that disaster look natural. Because even if they had no choice but to gas the village, few would forgive them if the truth came out.
The way for Rika to overcome this final obstacle would be to present Irie/Tomitake with undeniable proof that Takano is an evil biatch in the next world, before she carries her plans out. But there are 2 episodes left, so I think there will be a faster solution.
It's:
Gas disaster - cover story so Government has plausible deniability.
What does Takano do afterwards? Enjoy power and prestige apparently.
I suspect she would then gain a powerful position in Government.
If people know what's good for them.
But yeah, I'd like to see what I have a hunch could happen next.. more later.
GyroidFanatic
2007-09-17, 16:04
Gas disaster - cover story so Government has plausible deniability.
What does Takano do afterwards? Enjoy power and prestige apparently.
I suspect she would then gain a powerful position in Government.
If people know what's good for them.
Keep in mind that she is officially dead
Keep in mind that she is officially dead
That's even better for her. For one thing, with her power she can probably twist it to make it look like the government tried to kill her, thus making it necessary for her to fake death in order to survive. For that matter, I don't really think 34's going to be a big politician. It sounds like she's in the employ of even higher powers. Someone who loves blood and vomit that much would not willingly leave the glorious trenches and sit in a neat office where the worst injury likely is a paper cut.BTW, someone said the blond in the OP isn't Satoko, and that got me thinking... Could it have something to do with a certain person's apparent dementia and obsessive thirst for vengeance? I don't think I need to say her number...
Ahasuerus
2007-09-17, 22:32
BTW, someone said the blond in the OP isn't Satoko, and that got me thinking... Could it have something to do with a certain person's apparent dementia and obsessive thirst for vengeance? I don't think I need to say her number...
You know, I've watched the OP just now three times, and while the top of the face isn't shown, it still looks like Satoko to me, or perhaps even Rena, since the colors a bit washed and she's standing in a rainstorm, it seems. (The scene is about 1:06 in. Feeze it and see!) It doesn't make sense (to me :heh:) for the creators to partially insert the face of someone who isn't in the main "gang".
Besides there are too many tricksters on the Internet to take anything as gospel (not that this is the case) ;)
OTOH, the creators have proven to be pretty adept at being tricksters themselves :eyespin: :heh:
One of the most awesome animes I've seen, especially when combined with Season 1 :cool:
Actually, the hair looks a little different from Satoko's when I look closer, even taking the rain into account. Anyway, why are we all so certain it's a girl? All we've seen is legs below the knees and collarbone to nose. Even if the collarbone is the best part of a girl(sorry for the silly reference), I don't know any way to use it to discern gender.
Ahasuerus
2007-09-18, 01:28
Actually, the hair looks a little different from Satoko's when I look closer, even taking the rain into account. Anyway, why are we all so certain it's a girl? All we've seen is legs below the knees and collarbone to nose. Even if the collarbone is the best part of a girl(sorry for the silly reference), I don't know any way to use it to discern gender.
Hm... you've given me some serious room for thought; allow me a suggestion/tease... (bear in mind that I haven't played the games or know anything upcoming). Considering your last line: I now wonder if it could possibly be "someone very close to Satoko"? ;)
The legs do look feminine though, and I doubt that they would be focusing on a guy's legs :heh: But you never know with Higurashi...
One big enjoyment of this forum is that it definitely eases The Waiting between episodes. Next up should be a couple of awesome treats to bring this arc to an end. Can't wait to see how/if Irie gets involved; right now he seems to hold the only hope... and that is fading fast :upset:
Actually, the hair looks a little different from Satoko's when I look closer, even taking the rain into account. Anyway, why are we all so certain it's a girl? All we've seen is legs below the knees and collarbone to nose. Even if the collarbone is the best part of a girl(sorry for the silly reference), I don't know any way to use it to discern gender.
I suspect that girl is past Takano, judging from her hair and the woman who appears before her(err, present Takano?:D).
Sinestra
2007-09-18, 07:38
I knew better than to get my hopes up. I was hoping that Tomitake would survive somehow even after Takano injected him with virus, but no chance of that. We are one step closer to Rika being disappointed again. This was a pretty big episode as it reveals that Takano was never killed and that there are even more dubious plans afoot. She looked kind of scary but what caught my attention was that she mentioned she had been waiting for this since she was child. That got my mind wondering even more. I wanted to take a guess at what will happen next but I think its safer to just wait for the next one.
But I will say it looks like we are moving into Disaster mode again, with an ending like the last arc the entire town being wiped out. The name of the next episode is The Hinamizawa syndrom which cant be good all my hopes may be crushed in this episode. But we will head into the final arc after this and im wondering what chance do we have for a happy ending?
on a brighter note i knew Tomitake was tapping Takano. I mean all that time they spent together yea he was hitting it too bad he didnt see things her way.
Sterling01
2007-09-18, 10:28
The little blond girl's Identity will be revealed once the anime gets to the final arc.
It's not Satoshi
The little blond girl's Identity will be revealed once the anime gets to the final arc.
It's not Satoshi
*Starts a powerful reasoning*
So, maybe Satoshi is not at all a little girl ? ;)
*Starts a powerful reasoning*
So, maybe Satoshi is not at all a little girl ? ;)
I dunno. I've seen a picture of him as a teenage girl.
shigure asa
2007-09-18, 15:24
I dunno. I've seen a picture of him as a teenage girl.
there is only one person who can be that loli, and that person is none other than houjou teppei okay??
as anyone who isn't a complete idiot can see~~
he's so important higurashi kai opening chorus references him in ways so complex only those who played sound novel & saikoroshi hen can notice it!!
抜け出してっぺい♪ 抜け出してっぺい♪
I knew better than to get my hopes up. I was hoping that Tomitake would survive somehow even after Takano injected him with virus, but no chance of that. We are one step closer to Rika being disappointed again. This was a pretty big episode as it reveals that Takano was never killed and that there are even more dubious plans afoot. She looked kind of scary but what caught my attention was that she mentioned she had been waiting for this since she was child. That got my mind wondering even more. I wanted to take a guess at what will happen next but I think its safer to just wait for the next one.
But I will say it looks like we are moving into Disaster mode again, with an ending like the last arc the entire town being wiped out. The name of the next episode is The Hinamizawa syndrom which cant be good all my hopes may be crushed in this episode. But we will head into the final arc after this and im wondering what chance do we have for a happy ending?
...
At least now we know just why the disaster keeps happening. No way to dodge the bullet you know is coming if you don't know where it's coming from, but if you know who's got the gun you can turn the tables on her.
Ahasuerus
2007-09-18, 16:22
Yes, these may be possible... if it weren't for the fact that:
When the OP is played fully backwards and THEN forwards, it unlocks the final group scene as finally revealing the Truth: That Rika is actually Konata, Mion is actually Kagami, Shion is shown to be Tsukasa, Rena is Miyuki, and Satoko is Patty! :twitch: Higurashi is nothing more than a cosplay for their own Festival! Naturally, the play was written by Sojiro, who plays Keiichi (what better way to get closer to the lolis?). And actually, the "mysterious other" is none other than... wha??? It's Haruhi Suzumiya!!! (Againnn?!?)
Jeez, still 3-4 days before the subs and people are already showing "symptoms" :heh:
Anyway, after seeing the first scenes and being totally pissed at poor Satoko's battered condition I was hoping for something terrible to happen to Teppei before anything worse befell her. Jail's too good for him :mad: Hopefully, they're not done with him. (By the way, his voice actor is great :heh:)
Sinestra
2007-09-18, 16:24
At least now we know just why the disaster keeps happening. No way to dodge the bullet you know is coming if you don't know where it's coming from, but if you know who's got the gun you can turn the tables on her.
That is very true knowing who pulled the trigger can make all the difference. The problem I see is that there are forces at work that are supporting Takano. Even if you stop the person who's going to fire gun you still have to worry his/her friends bringing even or guns. Plus we still have wonder if Rika will even find out the truth behind who has started this whole mess. Again, iv made sure not to get my hopes about anything hopes can be easily crushed in with one death. From what i gather one death will trigger the chain of disasters no matter what.
If im wrong please someone help me pleazzz:D
When the OP is played fully backwards and THEN forwards, it unlocks the final group scene as finally revealing the Truth: That Rika is actually Konata, Mion is actually Kagami, Shion is shown to be Tsukasa, Rena is Miyuki, and Satoko is Patty! :twitch: Higurashi is nothing more than a cosplay for their own Festival! Naturally, the play was written by Sojiro, who plays Keiichi (what better way to get closer to the lolis?). And actually, the "mysterious other" is none other than... wha??? It's Haruhi Suzumiya!!! (Againnn?!?)
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9569/1188241470356du1.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1188241470356du1.jpg)
I didn't see this coming :uhoh:
Jugding from next episode preview, looks like this arc it's going to end in episode 13 (I don't think, that now that everyone knows who's the evul person, the studio it's going to end everything in next episode)
Ahasuerus
2007-09-19, 03:26
^ LMAO!
So you're the one stealing the shooting scripts :p Makes perfect sense sequel-wise for both series, except I'd keep any weapons away from "that other one" (especially if she's bored) :D
Nice pic by the way!
DarkMissingno
2007-09-20, 06:38
So it looks like Watanagashi-hen and Meakashi-hen are failures for Takano, but why did she gave her scrapbooks to Shion and Rena anyway?
If Rena would have burned the school and killed Rika, the GHD would have failed again.
Klashikari
2007-09-20, 06:42
that's probably because takano wasn't able to predict either of them could kill Rika in the process.
Iknowwhatyou
2007-09-20, 22:40
When the OP is played fully backwards and THEN forwards, it unlocks the final group scene as finally revealing the Truth: That Rika is actually Konata, Mion is actually Kagami, Shion is shown to be Tsukasa, Rena is Miyuki, and Satoko is Patty! :twitch: Higurashi is nothing more than a cosplay for their own Festival! Naturally, the play was written by Sojiro, who plays Keiichi (what better way to get closer to the lolis?). And actually, the "mysterious other" is none other than... wha??? It's Haruhi Suzumiya!!! (Againnn?!?)
Yare yare *puts hand to head* u have let the cat out the bag now the ppl r gonna keel u D:
Ahasuerus
2007-09-20, 22:45
*prays for pity* Forgive me, I'm at L4 :upset:
:heh:
BaalChaamon
2007-09-21, 06:04
this episode is a cliffhanger...i hate watching currently running shows :heh:
Takano-chan is just too evil, what the hell did they do to her as kid to end up this way
QwertyAccess
2007-09-22, 03:23
I finally took notice of that unknown girl in the op. Would it be possible that that is takano when she was little? Just use a bit of imagination and the gray color of darkness/rain.
bamboontu
2007-10-12, 11:23
I've just finished watching this ep and I have some questions.
1 Is this ep the second one where LEVELs are mentioned?
2 Is this ep the first one where the phrase "Hinamizawa Syndrom" is mentioned?
3 Why didn't Rika become confused after hearing about LEVEL5 symptoms from Tomitake? AFAIK villagers shouldn't be aware of this decease?
PS Please-excuse-my-inglesh
I've just finished watching this ep and I have some questions.
1 Is this ep the second one where LEVELs are mentioned?
2 Is this ep the first one where the phrase "Hinamizawa Syndrom" is mentioned?
3 Why didn't Rika become confused after hearing about LEVEL5 symptoms from Tomitake? AFAIK villagers shouldn't be aware of this decease?
PS Please-excuse-my-inglesh
1. I believe so. The first time was Irie telling Rika that Satoko has L3.
2. Yes.
3. Rika already knows everything about Hinamizawa Syndrome because she helps them research it.
bamboontu
2007-10-12, 14:43
2 MarthX:
Thnx for answers - I felt like I've missed something important.
Talking about Rika&Tomitake dialogue I mean the fact that Tomitaki is involved in this Syndrome-affair would certainly put Rika on alert. But probably Rika have already understood this due to relationship between Takano and Tomitake.
PS Please-excuse-my-inglesh
Trogdor Jube
2007-10-12, 16:10
Geez Kira picked the worse time to kill someone driving a bus.
Just a question but has it been proven that Takano is NOT suffering from the Hinamizawa syndrome during her time in Hinamizawa?
And is it just me or did one of the guys in this episode look alot like Title- I mean Hitler?
Rayneing
2007-10-12, 16:13
No it has not been proven, but she has not displayed any symptons either.
I'm pretty sure all of the researchers take regular vaccinations, though nothing has been confirmed.
EDIT: Hmmm, shouldn't these last two posts be in Kai 14?
Nine Devil
2008-01-02, 22:59
Hmmm, so many of you guys went wtf this episode? WEAK!
I mean I went wtf, because it was so f*cking cliche. Yeay lets decide there is an so called army chick, who has a childdream she wants to accomplish. Yeay lets make her the perpetrator all along! Whoopdief*ckingdo, talk about expecting a great Japanese twist and getting a Hollywood movie outcome.... What a waste..
I hope the next episodes delivers.
Hmmm, so many of you guys went wtf this episode? WEAK!
I mean I went wtf, because it was so f*cking cliche. Yeay lets decide there is an so called army chick, who has a childdream she wants to accomplish. Yeay lets make her the perpetrator all along! Whoopdief*ckingdo, talk about expecting a great Japanese twist and getting a Hollywood movie outcome.... What a waste..
I hope the next episodes delivers.
Congratulations on missing all the clues pointing at her up to that point. For example, the fact that it's said in multiple arcs that the time her corpse's death doesn't match the time she was supposed to have died, or the fact that when she gives Keiichi a ride in her car on the night of Watanagashi in Tatarigoroshi-hen her trunk is full, has Tomitake's bicycle (which is found next to his corpse later on) in her car, and tells Keiichi not to tell anyone about seeing her on that night. And of course the fact that she always tries to nudge characters towards becoming paranoid and mentally unstable.
Nine Devil
2008-01-03, 09:32
I didn't miss those points, I just didn't want to have those points. I just didn't want her to be the cause... Get my point ? Anyways I'm at the last arc let's see.
Lost-Wisdom
2009-01-11, 15:01
Awesome ending, that's that. :D
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