Claymore - Episode 25 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Pellissier

2007-09-18, 11:00

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Revolutionist

2007-09-18, 11:05

can't wait to watch this one :D

Icephere

2007-09-18, 11:07

Let's see if my speculation comes true! Maybe Madhouse will manage to surprise us that will leave us at the edge of our seats. The epic climax shall take place in this episode(volcano effects!)

Can't wait for the screencap!

yondy

2007-09-18, 11:18

Kankel

2007-09-18, 11:26

I wonder what role will Miria, Helen and Deneve play in this final battle? Will they reach Clare in time. Can there be any more sacrifices, Oh God! I hope not.:upset:

Well now I guess it's up to good old Defiled one to put the first screens up.:)

DarkBlood

2007-09-18, 11:27

This episode will have to be really über great or else it get's the painful rating from me.

Guido

2007-09-18, 11:31

Can there be any more sacrifices, Oh God! I hope not.:upset:

In the Claymore-verse there are plenty and more rooms for sacrifices.

Kodea

2007-09-18, 11:33

Priscillaaa!!!

Kankel

2007-09-18, 11:38

In the Claymore-verse there are plenty and more rooms for sacrifices.

I guess your right, Madhouse seems to have no compassion at all when it comes to beloved Claymore characters :heh: So I'll just have to brace myself for anything they might do in these last eps.

Icephere

2007-09-18, 12:30

In the Claymore-verse there are plenty and more rooms for sacrifices.

It would definitely be boring if noone dies aside from those who are portrayed as evil.
Plus Clare will awaken fully in an instant if she sees another one die.

Edit: Where is Defiled One >_<?

Ronny

2007-09-18, 12:58

mercury lampe

2007-09-18, 13:01

Ok, it's two episodes left, and obviously it's going to be just about Clare vs. Priscilla, so I'm not going to expect anything special from the plot.

I just want to see a better animation and fight scenes, nothing more. I hope madhouse don't screw up again and give us an epic final battle.

Well, the final showdown between these two seems inevitable due to the revenge desires of Clare and the strong will of Pris to erease Teresa's shadow from Earth...

But, despite of that, Madhouse can still surprise us if they portray Clare as a crazy and brainless killing machine (as she hasn't fully awakened yet, clare should behave like pre-awakened priscila, and everybody must remember how she behaved in Teresa's presence...) AND turn the fight in a battle where cold-hearted but disciplined Priscila wins and Clare, who shoulden't be a match for the abyssal, loses.

They also can fill this turn of events with some nice motivations for Priscila (save Raki who "cleverly" tries to stop clare but fails miserably...) or whatever.

Anyway, the point will be "the good guy turns into a monster and is defeated by a bigger one, thing that allows that bigger monster to find her redemption with herself"

Actually, if madhouse do that (and i think someone else presented this possibility earlier in other topic) they would surprise me a lot.

Kankel

2007-09-18, 13:05

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190134345531fe04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/119013451547570b8.jpg
and

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11901340678828870.jpg

Ooohh!!! Clare has almost fully awakened. And what's with that Hercules version of Priscilla?:twitch:

Seska

2007-09-18, 13:08

Dunno, these phase of Transformation is Anime only... There was not yet anything in the Manga so far, for Pricillia.... So you would hear anything from this direction :)...

And... other peoples have a life, too. :)

emu777

2007-09-18, 13:26

Wow that priscilla pic is the reason why AO should lay off the obese humans for time to time:heh:

i hope that they can keep the possibility of a second season open with these last few eps

Icephere

2007-09-18, 14:37

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190134345531fe04.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/119013451547570b8.jpg
and

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11901340678828870.jpg

Argh, what's up with Priscilla..did she turn into

an abyssal one or what?Her body seems to be out of shape that I can't tell if this is a half picture of Priscilla.

Rhyel

2007-09-18, 15:09

This image of Priscilla remember me NES Ninja Gaiden II (boss tranformations) :D

Sakuya

2007-09-18, 15:11

LesAmiesNoir

2007-09-18, 15:14

What on earth happened with Priscilla?..........
Well hopefully they'll be able to make a good episode out of it even if I do have some doubts. I hope Raki can step in and save Clare from disapearing mentally or maybe something alike.
I'm not going to make any more judgements until I've watched the epsiode.

Icephere

2007-09-18, 15:15

Wow, I'm surprised by the lack of responses today. :twitch:

Props to Madhouse for animating Clare's form from the manga. But what did they do to Priscilla? She was invincible before but now, she's even more so! Poor Clare, how will she beat her? :(

Hell yeah, I'm surprised too..been googling to get some hint about this episode but no luck LOL

I want to know if Raki has reached the volcano yet..maybe then we will know if that determines the result..I bet he is gonna freak out and cry like a sissy again xD

lanc

2007-09-18, 15:16

Is that one released/subbed ?

If not, when it does ?

Icephere

2007-09-18, 15:19

Is that one released/subbed ?

If not, when it does ?

No, it was aired and I'm assuming that person took screen captures of it. I would bet the subbed version would come out on wednesday at the earliest.

Sakuya

2007-09-18, 15:20

Is that one released/subbed ?

If not, when it does ?

There is no raw yet so it's not available yet. The release of the sub will depend on the release of the raw and Eclipse is super fast. By the way, I don't think you're allowed to ask when an episode comes out subbed here...

I have a feeling that Raki and Jean (or at least Raki) will arrive very late given how Raki is a human and Jean is injured, making her move even slower than a human. :uhoh:

Seska

2007-09-18, 15:24

Is that one released/subbed ?

If not, when it does ?

When it's done :)

I know, Duke Nukem 3D needs a lot longer, but i am sure Claymore 25 will be soon out.. Subbed of course.

Lexi

2007-09-18, 15:26

Grrr waiting for this episode has been killer, if i have to wait any longer im going to die X_X

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-18, 15:27

I don't expect much from this episode except for final fight of the 2 ladies. Question is what is going to happen after the fight. That is what I interested in.

Seska

2007-09-18, 15:30

I don't expect much from this episode except for final fight of the 2 ladies. Question is what is going to happen after the fight. That is what I interested in.

Me , too. I know someone will get Pwned. But what will happen after this?...

Icephere

2007-09-18, 15:33

I believe we "HAVE" to see something interesting here since this is the second last episode. It would be boring if we see :
-two ladies fighting each other in super saiyen form in the entire episode(recalling episode 23)
-10 minutes on Raki and Jean riding a random horse
-10 minutes of Isley explaining his observations

Those would be typical and nothing original..

I wanna see someone special dying there ;D or butterfly Jean!

Anh_Minh

2007-09-18, 15:33

I don't expect much from this episode except for final fight of the 2 ladies. Question is what is going to happen after the fight. That is what I interested in.
Well, obviously, after they stop fighting, they start kissing.

Or eating each other. Whichever.

Nvis

2007-09-18, 15:34

Even if this fight's over.

Anime has yet to explain the "motives" of the Organization/Abyssal Ones. And neither of them seems like "good guys".

Icephere

2007-09-18, 15:38

Even if this fight's over.

Anime has yet to explain the "motives" of the Organization/Abyssal Ones. And neither of them seems like "good guys".

I believe they are trying to do the samething as the anime berserk does. They add in a cliffhanger at the end that urges you to find out in the manga.Since episode 26 is named "towards the successors", it looks like it is going to be referring to the future, maybe after the 7 years time.

Seska

2007-09-18, 15:43

I think, they let some strings on purpose open or not tided. To lure the Viewers into the Manga....

edit: i was to late XD

DazarGaidin

2007-09-18, 15:53

Lexi

2007-09-18, 16:00

SS3 is the long spiky without the eyebrows, ss4 is the red fur over the body

Icephere

2007-09-18, 16:01

I can't quite remember how it goes..so is pris at SS3 or 4 there? I know one is golden spikey and vertical hair and other is long spikey and thick with massive muscles...hmmm...I just hope she can summon the spirit bomb or whatever in time...

At least we get to see the spidelope clare in colored glory!

The max. is super saiyan 5 in DB terms so we can assume Priscilla is at that phase:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://homepage.mac.com/cheethorne/DBZ/images/three.jpg&imgrefurl=http://homepage.mac.com/cheethorne/DBZ/supersaiyan.htm&h=432&w=330&sz=27&hl=en&start=15&um=1&tbnid=QAfH0ttdHhZBnM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuper%2Bsaiyan%2B5%26svnum%3D10%26um% 3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

I notice there is quite a similarity there xD

Kankel

2007-09-18, 16:05

Priscilla could be consider something like Brolly and there was never SS5 in DBZ just to make that out clear.That one pic that came out was only fan art.

Seska

2007-09-18, 16:06

What are you talking about, guys? :)

redmeat

2007-09-18, 16:10

I guess they're talking about how Clare and Pris will gender bend themselves to go super saiyan 5 on each other.

Icephere

2007-09-18, 16:10

Priscilla could be consider something like Brolly and there was never SS5 in DBZ just to make that out clear.That one pic that came out was only fan art.

Ahh my bad..

NoSanninWa

2007-09-18, 16:13

At least we now know why they didn't animate Clare's 4 limb transformation when she fought Rigald. They were saving it for the climactic battle against Priscilla.

Honestly I'm not happy that they decided to conclude with the battle against Priscilla, but since they are having such a fight they decided to have the fight with the strongest power that Clare has shown in the manga so far. That certainly makes sense. They also added on a level of "Theresa Power" so that the 4 limb transformation can fight Priscilla. Once again, a smart move to enable a conclusion instead of a Berserk style cliffhanger.

I guess they're talking about how Clare and Pris will gender bend themselves to go super saiyan 5 on each other.And let's ease off on the DBZ references since there is no end to that nonsense

Leedizzle

2007-09-18, 16:16

Regardless, Clare should not be able to beat Priscilla. That would be like she is stronger then Theresa.

Seska

2007-09-18, 16:19

Woot, Wrex has Screens... :)

DeathAngelBR

2007-09-18, 16:21

Regardless, Clare should not be able to beat Priscilla. That would be like she is stronger then Theresa.

We can't forget that, as said earlier in the manga and anime, she's a "prototype". We can't tell/don't know how strong she can become with Teresa's flesh and blood, let alone with Irene's arm and flash sword technique. All that power might be just waiting to be released, which really shouldn't be a surprise for anyone.

PGilis

2007-09-18, 16:23

Regardless, Clare should not be able to beat Priscilla. That would be like she is stronger then Theresa.

But Teresa at 10% youki-level power DID beat the crap out of Priscilla at 70%+ !

And the Organization just supposed Priscilla got all her latent potential when she defeated Teresa. They didn't knew she just won because used a very dirty trick. So is possible Teresa could defeat even Awaked Priscilla. Priscilla herself is afraid of her!!

DazarGaidin

2007-09-18, 16:23

wrex_japan

2007-09-18, 16:53

Claymore, ep. 25 screencaps and summary. (http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/?p=573)

building up for the climax....

Kankel

2007-09-18, 17:07

Bloody Hell!!! Priscilla still thinks that she's a claymore I guess she's more wacky in the head than what we thought.;)http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/clay25/clay25-10.jpg

Fenrir_valindri

2007-09-18, 17:12

Think I died a bit inside looking at those screencaps, Priscilla needed to power up? Why in gods name would she need that?!

Yorae_paladin1

2007-09-18, 17:16

Oh I like it so priscilla is just like ophelia albeit as a claymore priscilla was nicer and more virtous

X_Danny_X

2007-09-18, 17:17

i never knew that chicks can be this evil :eek:

Kankel

2007-09-18, 17:17

I think she didn't power up because she needed to, but only because she got angry.

http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/clay25/clay25-03.jpg

Does anyone else get the feeling that Raki isn't necessarily helping her out but rather looking at her boobs.:p

And Raki scores another one for the harem.:naughty:

Icephere

2007-09-18, 17:39

So it is pretty established that

Priscilla suffers from a crack in the head.Now that she has powered up, Clare fighting her at an equal level comes into question...
I'm 100 % sure the anime series won't reveal Clare's true power because it will turn out to be a huge spoiler for the manga

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-18, 17:42

So question is Prisicillia a real villian here? Or just a victim of the system? Can we excuse her behaviour as being insane so it is not her fault that she eats villages in her rampage until she met Easley/Isley?

Questions and questions.

superzombie23

2007-09-18, 17:43

Were talking about that priscilla super saiyan pic lol
http://homepage.mac.com/cheethorne/DBZ/images/three.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11901340678828870.jpg

That made me LOL!

IT'S OVER 9000!!!

I just had a hard time holding back my LOL in the middle of a big classroom.:heh: I'm mad and glad that they finally gave Clare her best appearance in the show at this point, but now... what have they done to Priscilla? Christ. Also, I'm predicting Jean is going to make an appearance and do her thing like in the manga at the end of the fight. It's likely to happen.

servidor

2007-09-18, 17:44

http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/clay25/clay25-03.jpg

Does anyone else get the feeling that Raki isn't necessarily helping her out but rather looking at her boobs.:p

And Raki scores another one for the harem.:naughty:

Can't a healthy and heterosexual teenager boy have a good look at the bossom of a hot looking young woman?

It could be his last and only chance.

Negativedark

2007-09-18, 17:55

I know how to beat Priscilla. Just get a mirror.

Elandyll

2007-09-18, 18:11

Me , too. I know someone will get Pwned. But what will happen after this?...

It could also end on a stalemate :) Never underestimate an Animation studio's cruelty toward its audience ;)
(also that way they could re-take the manga version in a few years without too many problems, if they desire so..)

Goofus Maximus

2007-09-18, 19:33

Heh. The last frame of the last episode: Priscilla opens her eyes...

Snait3

2007-09-18, 19:51

the ep was pretty much predictable for me, its going to definitely remain an emptiness sensation in the plot :(...

PGilis

2007-09-18, 19:53

So it is pretty established that Priscilla suffers from a crack in the head.

With a horn big like that, no one would very sane and smart. :D
Probably the dawn thing grew up INSIDE her head, too! :p

Can't a healthy and heterosexual teenager boy have a good look at the bossom of a hot looking young woman?

It could be his last and only chance.

Yeah. Give the poor boy a break. No one gave him the obligatory Onsen bath scene. :)

Kankel

2007-09-18, 20:17

The RAW is out!! for those that want it.

Guido

2007-09-18, 21:05

MAQI

2007-09-18, 21:10

Can anyone tell me what day of the week claymore episodes come out?

Nvis

2007-09-18, 21:11

But Teresa at 10% youki-level power DID beat the crap out of Priscilla at 70%+ !

And the Organization just supposed Priscilla got all her latent potential when she defeated Teresa. They didn't knew she just won because used a very dirty trick. So is possible Teresa could defeat even Awaked Priscilla. Priscilla herself is afraid of her!!

I predict Clare do a "dirty-trick" on Priscilla. Because Clare's the underdog, afterall. Priscilla may get overconfident like Teresa and it'll be her downfall.

And maybe the first Claymore to return to human from fully Awakened State? I mean she is after all 75% human.

Still, what is Isley, Riful (and other), Organization going to do in the last episode.
So many unexplained questions.

MAQI

2007-09-18, 21:19

I predict Clare do a "dirty-trick" on Priscilla. Because Clare's the underdog, afterall. Priscilla may get overconfident like Teresa and it'll be her downfall.

And maybe the first Claymore to return to human from fully Awakened State? I mean she is after all 75% human.

Still, what is Isley, Riful (and other), Organization going to do in the last episode.
So many unexplained questions.

I think she will revert back to human form becasue she got # 9 (forgot her name) to do it after her body had changed. I don't think next episode will be the end of priscilla though...

Icephere

2007-09-18, 21:45

Did I breathe something weird? or is it that Priscilla overabused and overused her daily intake of steroids?

I would say she has become into a titanic and convoluted mass of youriki with a big-a** horn, overexaggerated muscles, etc.

Eh... ? Priscilla's not the youma?

Is she in denial like Ophelia was? or are her memories completely scrambled and messed up?

Maybe that is a very common stage that newly awakened beings get into. Ophelia got it and she was in denial, while Priscilla twisted her memories that everything went out of place.

Sassarai

2007-09-18, 23:15

lol why do people compare claymore to dbz. A lot of anime have characters that can increase their powers. Dragonball, naruto, blech etc all their fights last forever and they tend to go over every
little move they do so they can milk it as long as possible while claymore fights usually end fast. Clare always comes up with something clutch and kills the bad guy.
lol dbz is more like
good guy" I havent shown my real powers"
bad guy" I havent shown my real real powrs"
good guy repeat
bad guy repeat
then repeat for about 10 eps or so

Theres a lot of things that claymore doesnt explain in detail like the shows that goes on forever but at least the story moves fast rather then seeing one fight last for so many episodes and goes no where cough cough naruto.

lol and why would anyone want a berserk type of ending. I thought it was horrible how it turned into a hentai. lol just watch up to the episode where it starts to differ from the manga and stop watching. There you go youre berserk type ending.

Mgz

2007-09-18, 23:19

http://wrexgrafix.com/anime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/clay25/clay25-03.jpg

Does anyone else get the feeling that Raki isn't necessarily helping her out but rather looking at her boobs.:p

And Raki scores another one for the harem.:naughty:

nah not really, Raki suck and not gallant at all. He waits Jean to crash down before offering his help to get her up and walking , and in the end the greatly injured Jean has to carry him anyway. what kind of gentleman is that :mad:

I know how to beat Priscilla. Just get a mirror.

good one :p

cors8

2007-09-19, 01:07

Gee, the way Priscilla powers up is just retarded.....

At least be a little more imaginative than making her bulk up on steroids =/

DarkSide Hero

2007-09-19, 01:40

Is this even Claymore we are watching? It's so far gone it should be called something else:upset:

Mentar

2007-09-19, 02:05

A 9 from me on the technical merits (the animation was awesome in some parts, and the fight "choreography" was also excellent).

I'll withhold judgment about the original ending till I see how it really ends. If Clare dies, I won't complain.

NoSanninWa

2007-09-19, 02:20

lol and why would anyone want a berserk type of ending. I thought it was horrible how it turned into a hentai. lol just watch up to the episode where it starts to differ from the manga and stop watching. There you go youre berserk type ending.

The "hentai" you refer to was in the manga and simply got adapted along with the rest of the story. Since there are no such elements in the Claymore manga nobody expects them to be added.

That's not what we mean by a Berserk type ending. The Berserk anime simply followed the manga without improvising and then just stopped leaving the anime open so a second season could have picked up just by continuing the story. That's what we like about the idea of a Beserk type ending... the idea that a second season could be made to continue adapting this wonderful manga.

lenneal

2007-09-19, 07:14

wow man i cant wait till ep 25 comes out clare vs priscilla WOOT oh but wht about jean and raki and also helen,deneve and miria will they make it to help clare in time and how will the out come of this battle be??? so many questions o.O

Mentar

2007-09-19, 07:29

Has been out for quite a while now...

Guido

2007-09-19, 07:47

Since Claymore's still unlicensed, I can assume is safe to post that the sub by Eclipse has already come out.

Bondius

2007-09-19, 08:25

Am I the only one thinking the director is ruining this ending?
I mean first of all it's the lava/volcano scene that I've seen in too many places ... not to mention both are fighting with their swords at first. I'm sorry but only Star Wars Episode 3 comes into mind when watching this.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/5782/starwarsepisode32800ux6.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starwarsepisode32800ux6.jpg)
"Priscilla, you were supposed to be the chosen one!".

Second, what the hell was Priscilla launching from her wings? Poison stings? I mean really, if it were spikes I would understand but those were glowing needle-like thingyes. Somehow I've seen that stuff in Fate/Stay Night.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8608/011mu7.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=011mu7.jpg)
Gates of Phosphorescent Needles!

Third, how did Jean+Raki, who couldn't catch up to my grandma, reach the volcano let's say 10-15 minutes behind Miria+Deneve+Helen ... who, by the way, were dashing through the forest like Naruto on the treebranches but as they were getting closer they started to run normally so they would have time to chat about Clare's past before combat.
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9800/vlcsnap00001fs0.th.jpg (http://img249.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vlcsnap00001fs0.jpg)
Ninja Claymores ...

Jesus, why are they ruining the ending of such an awesome anime. The episode was good but it would really need improvement.

ArmisaelXVIII

2007-09-19, 08:38

I haven't watched the episode yet (but I'll soon ^^). Still I would like to point out that officially Priscilla was beaten by Isley. So unless later the anime states something else, Clare may be near Priscilla's level.

DarkSide Hero

2007-09-19, 08:51

Jer

2007-09-19, 08:52

Just watched the Chinese sub of episode 25.

The choreography of the fighting scenes are top notch.
Priscilla goes SS3/SS4. The only flaw was MH overdid her super mascular appearance
Again, 5 mins screening of Raki and Jean. Kinda, expected that.
Deneve, Helen and Miria got owned. Good thing Miria didn't sustain much injury compared to the other 2.
It was nice to see Clare's almost awakened form during the last minute. So MH was saving it for the last episode after all.
Overall an excellent episode, well at least for me. I'm giving it a 8.5 mostly for it's animation. Now that all is set for the last episode, I just can't wait for the aftermath from the battle and for what's gonna happen in the future.

I predict either Raki or Jean/Raki and Jean will play an important role to bring Clare back to her sanity/normal form. I'm 70% sure about this. 30% Clare might end up dying but I'm sure Raki will survive.

Goofus Maximus

2007-09-19, 09:00

Arrr! This episode be naught more than a setup for the last episode, by the scalywags of Madhouse.

Shiver me timbers, but I can hardly wait a week past International Talk Like A Pirate Day, for the final episode! Arrr!

Ichimaru Gin

2007-09-19, 09:03

Salamandra

2007-09-19, 09:09

Just watched the Chinese sub of episode 25.

The choreography of the fighting scenes are top notch.
Priscilla goes SS3/SS4. The only flaw was MH overdid her super mascular appearance
Again, 5 mins screening of Raki and Jean. Kinda, expected that.
Deneve, Helen and Miria got owned. Good thing Miria didn't sustain much injury compared to the other 2.
It was nice to see Clare's almost awakened form during the last minute. So MH was saving it for the last episode after all.
Overall an excellent episode, well at least for me. I'm giving it a 8.5 mostly for it's animation. Now that all is set for the last episode, I just can't wait for the aftermath from the battle and for what's gonna happen in the future.

I wouldn't say Miria sustained little injury, I do believe her internal organs/ribs may be crushed. She didn't have any limbs cut off, but her injury is probably worse than Deneve's, considering how she can regenerate.

Seska

2007-09-19, 09:19

What have Dauf said to Clare, after he crushed her Bones? Healing Bones is more difficult, then attach some Limbs, and i worry myself about the 3 Shadows in the ED... They resemble some persons, but i don't saw some special Haircut (lower then #3 but higher then #10).

and i bet, 3 persons will be used to Turn Clare back into a saint.... :)

Manifold

2007-09-19, 09:30

"More POWER."

Heh..

I agree with whoever said that this episode is only a lead in the grand finale.

It is a bit ridiculous how Priscilla's final(?) awakened form could just whip her finger-tentacle around like an almighty razor wire whip. I laughed a bit about that.

I'm always gunning for Raki for some reason. I want him to get 'more power' too, so he isn't so useless. He tries so hard..

Bring on episode 26.

Gooral

2007-09-19, 09:37

(...)
Second, what the hell was Priscilla launching from her wings? Poison stings? I mean really, if it were spikes I would understand but those were glowing needle-like thingyes.

Yeah, I find it strange too. It isn't strange that she used projectiles to injure her opponents (some other AB use similar technics too), but these spikes were truly bizarre.
Oh, and Claymore anime wouldn't be Claymore if Raki didn't shout "Clareeee !!!" at least once :D.
And no, You're not the only one who thinks that they are ruining the ending, but I just blocked my reasonable thinking after watching 23 episode to not spoil my enjoyment. I rated episode 7/10, hope next one would be even better.

PGilis

2007-09-19, 10:09

Second, what the hell was Priscilla launching from her wings? Poison stings? I mean really, if it were spikes I would understand but those were glowing needle-like thingyes. Somehow I've seen that stuff in Fate/Stay Night.

I believe those are metalic darts. Priscilla can create metalic darts from her own body and throw from her wings in the same way Duffy can create metalic spears and throw from his mouth and arms in episodes 15~17.

Those darts of her are shinning because they're reflecting the light coming from the magma around there or something like that.

Third, how did Jean+Raki, who couldn't catch up to my grandma, reach the volcano let's say 10-15 minutes behind Miria+Deneve+Helen ... who, by the way, were dashing through the forest like Naruto on the treebranches but as they were getting closer they started to run normally so they would have time to chat about Clare's past before combat.

We don't know how much time the fab-four spent fighting with Priscilla. Could be a lot of time. And if i'm not mistake, at some time Jean recover herself enough to run ninja-fast carrying Raki.

And besides, do you really want one or two entire episodes of Raki and Jean walking and talking about how much they like Clare and want to protect her and want to stay with her forever and...? :p

.... :twitch:

OMG, could it be? These two are RIVALS FOR CLARE's LOVE?! :heh:

Bondius

2007-09-19, 10:33

I believe those are metalic darts. Priscilla can create metalic darts from her own body and throw from her wings in the same way Duffy can create metalic spears and throw from his mouth and arms in episodes 15~17.

Those darts of her are shinning because they're reflecting the light coming from the magma around there or something like that.

We don't know how much time the fab-four spent fighting with Priscilla. Could be a lot of time. And if i'm not mistake, at some time Jean recover herself enough to run ninja-fast carrying Raki.

And besides, do you really want one or two entire episodes of Raki and Jean walking and talking about how much they like Clare and want to protect her and want to stay with her forever and...? :p

.... :twitch:

OMG, could it be? These two are RIVALS FOR CLARE's LOVE?! :heh:

1st, I never knew metal would glow green when illuminated by molten rock, I never tried it lol xD
2nd, even if the battle between Fab4 vs Priscilla would have taken longer, I really doubt Raki and Jean would reach them in 12 hours, not to mention 30 minutes :heh:

Don't mind me, I'm just making fun of my #2 fav anime because the director can't make a good ending once he doesn't have the manga story in front of him.
In the next episode ... Clare goes "Unlimited Yoki Works" on Priscilla lol.

Gooral

2007-09-19, 10:41

We don't know how much time the fab-four spent fighting with Priscilla. Could be a lot of time. And if i'm not mistake, at some time Jean recover herself enough to run ninja-fast carrying Raki.

But Jean and Raki set off at the same time as Miria (or even later) and come on, do You really think that Priscilla would toy with weaklings more time than couple of minutes ? Even if she wanted to be delicate, I don't think they would survive much :heh:

As for Priscilla's projectiles, I would call it Fallout attack, they were glowing as if there was uranium or luminescence rocks.

Panzerklein

2007-09-19, 10:55

But Jean and Raki set off at the same time as Miria (or even later) and come on, do You really think that Priscilla would toy with weaklings more time than couple of minutes ? Even if she wanted to be delicate, I don't think they would survive much :heh:

As for Priscilla's projectiles, I would call it Fallout attack, they were glowing as if there was uranium or luminescence rocks.

And Priscilla is Frank Holigan - Final boss in Fallout 2, right :D.

btw, I can't wait what will happen in this battle, hope Clare will don't awake fully.

superzombie23

2007-09-19, 10:57

Subs are out.

PGilis

2007-09-19, 11:01

1st, I never knew metal would glow green when illuminated by molten rock, I never tried it lol xD

Law of animation. The same law what make all the baddies lasers RED and the goodies BLUE or GREEN will make any fast atack visible to us viewers, even glowing with a color contrasting with the scenario.

If they hadn't turned Priscilla's atack green, we would not watch that move very well. And then we would be winning about how much the scenario is dark and hard to see anything. :p

BaalChaamon

2007-09-19, 11:09

hmmm great, the whole series is going down at warp 9.
Not only did they mess up the whole part about Priscillas power boosts...seriously that haircut and those steroid muscles, but they had to put Easley there talking to himself like a retard, while Miria, Helen and Deneve get owned by Prisci-chan who is completly dellusional to the point where you just want to tell her to shut the hell up and take a lava bath.

And why do i start to dislike Jean now...Raki tainted her

Deathkillz

2007-09-19, 11:10

wow...the more i look at Priscilla's hair...the more i think that she is goku :heh:

pretty predictable ep but not too bad ~ i found the part where Deneve and Helen got slashed from nowhere pretty cool :p but seriously, how much more chan clare power up...and it should take a bigger plot hole for her to return to normal this time >.>

FlareKnight

2007-09-19, 11:18

Did Priscilla seriously need to power up to beat Mira,Helen, and Deneve? Geeze feeling bad for Irene, Noelle, and Sophia considering how quick they got taken out. Guess we can use how heavily injured they were by Teresa as an excuse on that one.

Not a bad attempt by all to take down Priscilla. Clare was pretty much using the dash plan that did alright in killing Rigardo though sadly not working all that well this time. Pretty easy time for Priscilla blocking and with the amount of attacks she could release without even moving. And plenty of limbs going off with Helen and Deneve.

Suppose we'll either have to believe Miria and co were fighting for a very long time for Jean and Raki to catch up. Or consider Jean's speed as superior to the others in how quickly they got there. But I guess if it had taken longer we would've had more scenes of them just trucking along.

Icey

2007-09-19, 11:21

And why do i start to dislike Jean now...Raki tainted her

lawl, at that one =P

I didnt't really like this episode, i think the animation of pricila is kina crapy (for this anime) and it all got a feeling like "im the last boss, u defeated my first form now face my second form!" and it all got an DB-like feeling.

after i have wached next episode ill read the manga, and for the love of god, i hope there are some diffrence in this part =P

Yorae_paladin1

2007-09-19, 11:31

servidor

2007-09-19, 11:33

Does anyone feel disturbed with the escene when a child Clare was embraced by the "Grim Reaper"?

Seska

2007-09-19, 11:39

Does anyone feel disturbed with the escene when a child Clare was embraced by the "Grim Reaper"?

That was only a "placeholder". How Chibi-Clare was taken with open arms into the org.... It has more some kind of Metaphor...

servidor

2007-09-19, 11:41

I agree that it was a metaphor of how her life as a human girl had come to an end.

Icephere

2007-09-19, 11:45

The concept is cool that priscilla hadn't fully awakened which is explains why she was so small compared to abyssals and high level awakened now she got an abyssal height and yet she still thinks she is a claymore fighing for good. Wonder if she realizes that the guts she ate had a prize in human lives the people she swore to protect and those weren't evil people either maybe she thinks they will regrows there innards which is impossible.

She really is confused but im guessing once she takes a look in the mirror she will pull an ophelia.

Priscilla is fully awakened!She just went to her second phase (?)by releasing a hell lot of yoki, just like Rigardo when he powered up because he realized his opponent is a challenge to him.

To those of you who think why she powered up, she still thinks she is a claymore( and it has been said a dozen times that her memories are messed up), therefore by claymore terms, she raises her yoki powers to 10-30%( where their eyes turn yellow). I can't estimate how much that would be in awakened terms, but since she has a shit load of yoki powers, we can assume it is way way higher than that of the abyssal ones..

Opinion on episode: Animation and action are super. However, I find the episode so predictable..nothing quite original from the episode. I expected more but I guess we might anticipate some twists in the final episode.

Kankel

2007-09-19, 11:49

That was only a "placeholder". How Chibi-Clare was taken with open arms into the org.... It has more some kind of Metaphor...

Right on Seska! If anything we should learn from anime is that never to take some scenes too literal.;)

Yorae_paladin1

2007-09-19, 11:52

Priscilla is fully awakened!She just went to her second phase (?)by releasing a hell lot of yoki, just like Rigardo when he powered up because he realized his opponent is a challenge to him.

To those of you who think why she powered up, she still thinks she is a claymore( and it has been said a dozen times that her memories are messed up), therefore by claymore terms, she raises her yoki powers to 10-30%( where their eyes turn yellow). I can't estimate how much that would be in awakened terms, but since she has a shit load of yoki powers, we can assume it is way way higher than that of the abyssal ones..

Eh one of the claymores said that she had not awakened fully yet plus Rigardo did not have any physical changes when he powered up he was just releasing his the yoki he held back Priscilla on the other hand changed incredibly

Anh_Minh

2007-09-19, 13:08

I know she's just crazy, but Priscilla's habit of blaming everyone else really pisses me off.

geki~

2007-09-19, 13:09

Omg, I so laughed at that last Raki scene.
"CLAAAAREEE"
I think he had been holding that back for a few episodes now lol.

Also I think Pris needs a serious whack on her head because, well, uhh, how the hell can you still think that you're a human/thing if you're kinda looking down to your feet from a skyscraper's top :)

superzombie23

2007-09-19, 13:12

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-19, 13:23

I know she's just crazy, but Priscilla's habit of blaming everyone else really pisses me off.

Well, this is what you get for giving a mentally immature person powerful weapons and ability.

The Organization is to be blamed for her crisis, IMHO.

Vidofnir

2007-09-19, 13:32

miroku2192

2007-09-19, 13:40

I thought it was a good episode indeed...and i bet jeane probably does the same thing she did in the manga...

anyway what's the
Onsen bath scene? everyone keeps talking about it!

well it's possible that 1) she's already worn out from the battle with rigaldo...
plus 3 on 1 is a bit harder to keep track of, and Priscilla probably left her guard down...seeing as how she saw "teresa" in Clare, she probably went all out against clare.

Seska

2007-09-19, 13:42

"Oh, new Warriors?"

"I will kill you, Teresa!"...

Now say, what of these two. Will stay you more on guard, or put up some force into attacking and defense? :)

Schuyler

2007-09-19, 13:54

I give it a good rating just for the awesome fights, but there was so much talking and powering up, it was just blah. I was thinking everyone is going to die, but I don't know now. Maybe they will all live happily ever after, LOL.

This anime could of been so much better if they just followed the manga, guess in the end it wasn't pulling enough ratings, for them to end it this way, who knows.

Nesty

2007-09-19, 14:26

i gave this ep a 8.

the fighting was pretty good the animation is better but the things they did to helen, deneve and miria T_T noo! I was really hoping for the same camera angle right when clare almost transformed in the anime from the manga.

the extra powerup from pris i thought was kinda odd, i mean she's already THAT strong and she gets another boost??? lol I'm expecting another tranformation from clare. I mean clare currently power up could be up to par with old pris not pris got a upgrade... clare might need one too haha

odd bits that i thought hurt the pacing in this ep was everything that wasn't pris and clare. the way they did it just wasn't fluid enough.

agreed Vidofnir, the 3 just couldn't touch pris, no way is that possible when clare couldn't do anything...

miroku2192 @ I too wouldn't be surprised either if Jean did the same thing, wonder if raki will come into play as well since they were "walking and talking" about the situation together.

whitepearl

2007-09-19, 14:48

After watching this episode, the second to last scene in the OP (Awakened Priscilla standing amidst a fiery background) kinda makes a little more sense.

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-09-19, 14:48

Second, what the hell was Priscilla launching from her wings? Poison stings? I mean really, if it were spikes I would understand but those were glowing needle-like thingyes. Somehow I've seen that stuff in Fate/Stay Night.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8608/011mu7.th.jpg (http://img223.imageshack.us/my.php?image=011mu7.jpg)
Gates of Phosphorescent Needles!

Imho that scene reminds me of Gundam. :heh:

By the way, am I the only one pissed off by Priscilla saying "papa and mama" a zillion times?
She makes me crazy like that "what" scene in Pulp Fiction.
"Say papa and mama again. I dare you, I double dare you etc etc" :D

And, I wasn't aware that Priscilla trained in Hokuto Shinken... catching the sword in midair and throwing it back. She uses that same exact technique as Kenshirou or Raoh.

It was supposed to be a tragic scene, yet I LOLd so loud. (despite my poor Helen being pwned so badly)
I expected to see kanji on screen and voice over "Hokuto Shinken : Nishi Shinkuu Ha"

I can't figure out what to vote. That Hokuto No Ken reference made me happy, but still... it's a weird episode.

Anh_Minh

2007-09-19, 14:48

Well, this is what you get for giving a mentally immature person powerful weapons and ability.

The Organization is to be blamed for her crisis, IMHO.
Every Claymore is an ex-"little immature girl given powerful weapons and abilities". They don't all turn out like Priscilla.

And heck, I'm not looking for a culprit. I'm saying "she irrationally blames people for the death of her family and the deaths of people she personally killed, and still lives in the delusion she's an angel whereas everyone who opposes her is a youma. It pisses me off."

Who cares whose fault it is she's crazy?

Yorae_paladin1

2007-09-19, 14:54

Imho that scene reminds me of Gundam. :heh:

By the way, am I the only one pissed off by Priscilla saying "papa and mama" a zillion times?
She makes me crazy like that "what" scene in Pulp Fiction.
"Say papa and mama again. I dare you, I double dare you etc etc" :D

And, I wasn't aware that Priscilla trained in Hokuto Shinken... catching the sword in midair and throwing it back. She uses that same exact technique as Kenshirou or Raoh.

It was supposed to be a tragic scene, yet I LOLd so loud. (despite my poor Helen being pwned so badly)
I expected to see kanji on screen and voice over "Hokuto Shinken : Nishi Shinkuu Ha"

I can't figure out what to vote. That Hokuto No Ken reference made me happy, but still... it's a weird episode.

Every Claymore is an ex-"little immature girl given powerful weapons and abilities". They don't all turn out like Priscilla.

And heck, I'm not looking for a culprit. I'm saying "she irrationally blames people for the death of her family and the deaths of people she personally killed, and still lives in the delusion she's an angel whereas everyone who opposes her is a youma. It pisses me off."

Who cares whose fault it is she's crazy?

Well the hokuto shin ken technique is made for arrows not swords especially swords that big then again the one using it now isn't a human while hokuto shin ken practioners are human still it was a cool reference.

Priscilla own naivette is what undid her mind Anh she belives the org are good people trying to protect others even though the prizes they charge are excessive and claymores angels of justice when the truth is claymores are nothing but tools ofr the orgs buniess interests

Tempest35

2007-09-19, 14:55

Well well well~! What an episode. The three would-be Rescue Rangers get mauled (horribly) by Priscilla. I hope I wasn't the only one who cringed when I saw the sword impale Helen's leg. :heh: Wow, talk about 'zero chance' - and Miria thought that fighting against Rigaldo was bad...

Now I'll have to re-think my little 'personality' theory on Pris a bit. Her mentality wasn't that strong to begin with - did all that youki when she awakened the first time literally blew her conscious mind out the window? Certainly looks that way...She's still 'Miss Justice', even after Awakening - if anything, points to dedication to the cause of 'justice', despite the glaring opposition...:heh:

I know everyone has made negative comparisons to DBZ but I have to say that when Priscilla powered up, first thing that came to my mind was 'It's Broli!' XD Now all cuteness that I felt from her is gone and right now I'm just hoping that our Fab 4 get out alive period.
Raki! Tend to the injured ones of your harem then go spank the two naughty ones for playing without you! :D This is where grown men have failed before - trying to separate two dueling women - but you're not a man yet so there's still ... a little hope. :heh:

khryoleoz

2007-09-19, 14:57

Claymore has lost that special something and has now become typical shounen fare within the last few eps. They've stretched this fight and the Rigardo one much longer than it needed to be that we have one episode left to tie up loose ends, if we even get so much as that. We were never introduced to the current holders of rank 1 and 2. We are left to assume what happened to the surviving members of the 24 and the AB army who were called out in order for HIM to make HIS appearance. If Madhouse was going to offend the sensibilities of fans by diverging from the source, they could have at least minimized the blow by writing in equally good or better material. Instead, they have Priscilla go SSx on us, Clare is still getting beat up even though what she's made of is essentially something stronger than Priscilla because it WAS the strongest, and minor characters who had in time more significant roles were relegated to even less meaningful ones so far. I can't believe that this change for worse occurred so quickly and in rapid succession. Save for NGE TV, I honestly can't remember the last time I've watched something that was so exciting but dragged in the end. And they keep on killing Teresa over and over again that it's just damn revolting.

BBM

2007-09-19, 15:10

This episode is oke but a filler, so I gave it an 8.

As for next week, I suspect that Raki will make Priscilla realise what she had become, allowing Clare to kill her. I don't actually like Raki, but what else can he do?

But I hope that Clare full fully awaken, transform into Teresa or one of those goddesses of love and kill Priscilla.

Seska

2007-09-19, 15:12

Goddess of Love and Killing? That dosent fit together...

Dorothee

2007-09-19, 15:21

Did anyone notice, in those scenes when Jean and Raki notice how Miria and the others left some marks for them to track, that right after if you watch carefully you can notice how jean's symbol suddenly changed to clare's.

Just pay attention to the scene when she falls and then when she walks with raki supporting her.

Besides, half episode was pinball-playing like with rigardo, and other half priscilla becoming a muscled guy-like loli with a retarded voice. And guess what, episode finishes when clare awakens her limbs left.

How predictable, such a shame for a great anime. Not comparing it with the manga but with other episodes, this lacks loads of little things, those wich made this manga my favourite.

Negativedark

2007-09-19, 15:23

I thought it was a good episode indeed...and i bet jeane probably does the same thing she did in the manga...

anyway what's the
Onsen bath scene? everyone keeps talking about it!

.

The Claymore Onsen episode is a joke I started a while back. It seems like a lot of anime these days have hot springs episodes, so I started joking about them doing one for filler in Claymore. I mean we have a bunch of beautiful women, but at the same time it would be so very out of place to have in Claymore.

But yeah now that they are devieating from the manga more the plot is getting more steriotypically shonen. I wonder, maybe the end of next episode will have Priscilla doing something that will make the volcano erupt in 5 minutes, and then the entire second season will be the five minute fight?

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-19, 15:33

Goddess of Love and Killing? That dosent fit together...

There is famous Hindu diety come close to that but she is Goddess of Protection and Killing, Kali.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-19, 15:35

Every Claymore is an ex-"little immature girl given powerful weapons and abilities". They don't all turn out like Priscilla.

And heck, I'm not looking for a culprit. I'm saying "she irrationally blames people for the death of her family and the deaths of people she personally killed, and still lives in the delusion she's an angel whereas everyone who opposes her is a youma. It pisses me off."

Who cares whose fault it is she's crazy?

I do care. That's the difference.

Well, Priscillia is very young when she was assigned into the Organization and they promoting her beyond her mental ability to cope with the situation. Hence my comment.

superzombie23

2007-09-19, 15:35

As I said in an earlier post, I wasn't looking forward to seeing this episode after seeing the screen caps and reading about it, and I was right about my expectations. I will give this episode a 7 after watching it just now. (Should have rated it 6 thinking about it now after writing this post) The animation was very good, which holds me back from giving it a very low rating, but story and scene direction really sucked. Everything was way too predictable/cliché, but at least I wasn't expecting Helen and Deneve to be cut to shreds :D. I literally laughed watching them cut up by Uber-Priscilla, then I was at awe with the last scene where Clare fully awakens her limbs, which should have happened way back at the end of Rigardo's fight. Still, the episode is a 7 imo because it's just lame story with good action. I appreciate the little extra info I'm getting about why the Org does this and that, and I love seeing Clare getting all emo about Teresa's head getting cut off with her motivation to keep on fighting and reaching for her sword in slow motion, but overall it's a 7 b/c of how stupid the character's lines are and the clichéness. For example, Raki's "CLARE!!!" line was beyond mental retardation. They could have easily animated Raki yelling that line realistically instead of doing some gay still frames which make him look like a tard yelling, and it just ruins the whole feeling the episode creates since it's the closure, and adding a stupid zoom-out scene to it made it even worse. Also, Priscilla acts and talks like a retard. Seriously, I don't think Priscilla is THAT dumb in the manga, so I don't appreciate how Madhouse is making her retarded in the anime. "TERESA KILLED MY MAMA AND PAPA, AND IRENE. HAHA I CAN KILL YOU RIGHT NOW IF I WANTED TO!" *makes left and right eye look in opposite directions while deflecting swords and dodging* It's like watching a giant baby with an IQ of 50 owning the Claymores, and all of this really shouldn't be happening.

Here is a picture to sum up how stupid the episode was...
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3672/snapshot20070919165542qv1.png

Also, should have mentioned that the fight was very unbelievable after reading a post about it. I definitely had the thought going through my mind that Miria, Helen, and Deneve could touch her, but not Clare while watching that scene... wtf?

Seska

2007-09-19, 15:36

There is famous Hindu diety come close to that but she is Goddess of Protection and Killing, Kali.

Oh yes, the Goddess with these many arms...

Protection leads to fight
fight leads to killing

so far so good,

But Love leads to peace
peace leads to well... if they don't died along ago, then they are happy lives somewhere...and so on. But not killing :)

Lendial

2007-09-19, 15:53

even now raki is a burden, making jeane run all that way while injured AND carrying his fat butt.

i want to predict clare wins and avenges teresa then all the girls and raki live happily ever after but priss is just too uberized to be defeated.

celestialguy

2007-09-19, 15:59

I find it weird that Priscilla is not fully awakened yet... I wonder how Madhouse is going to end Clyamore with just one episode left or are they going to make a second season? I think Madhouse is pretty much going to mess up the ending, Fully Awakened Priscilla Vs 3/4 awakened Clare.

Omfgbbqwtf

2007-09-19, 16:07

Finished the episode. I thought it was pretty good. Priscilla fully awakened state looks pretty nice. Comepletely overpower everyone. Clare can't even land a strike on her. I wonder if we will ever see Isley in action, seems like he is just going to sit around and watch until Priscilla needs help. They will probably cut out the Op and the Ed next episode since they have too much to show to keep the watcher satisfied.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-19, 16:09

DarkSide Hero

2007-09-19, 16:17

Can't give this more than a 6.
- The Jean and Raki scenes lasted too long
- Priscilla's slow zombie-voice got on my nerves fast.
- Clare with her half awakened form could easily take care of Rigald when the others couldn't even touch him.
Yet somehow Clare can't lay a finger on Priscilla while Miria, Deneve and Helen put up more resistance then her and actually manage
to chop off 1 of her wings. Sure they got beaten bad afterwards, but it just looked very
unbelievable to me.
I gave it a 5. Seriously, I now regret having recommended this anime so highly to so many people...i feel like i will have betrayed them by the time they get to the last few episodes :( How can something be so good for so long then become this?? Very frustrating...i don't know whether to remove it from my favs list or not cause i still love the earlier eps lol

And whats with this 'full awakened priscilla' crap..ummm if she is snackin guts she is fully awakened..don't try to change up now lol

I agree with this fully.
I seriously wish Madhouse had just made clare fully awaken instead of the partial awakening. At least then it would explain how #47 25% yoma defeated the strongest awakened being ever.

Seska

2007-09-19, 16:19

Well Ophelia, in the fight with Clare, was not fully awakened, too. But she was already with hunger for Guts...

You can see, her shape changes in the fight. But then in the end she recover her "Human mind"...

Looks like even ABs have some Half-awakened forms... Not only Claymores...

Btw, i gave this episode a 5, too... Nothing really happens here... only that the comrades buys some time for Clare to gain "more power".. seriously is there an end for this "moto, moto Power" crap?

Any Claymore has there easier... She can activate her Youki and she has "power" or at worst she can go overboard and awake... But here, how many times taps Clare into "moto Power" behond her 80% youki?

Rhyel

2007-09-19, 16:57

Is dificult to see?

In my opinion Clare have no limit, because she is Half-Teresa. Diferent of the others Claymores Half-Youma. :D

Dificult is to Clare control the power.

PGilis

2007-09-19, 17:16

I gave it a 5. Seriously, I now regret having recommended this anime so highly to so many people...i feel like i will have betrayed them by the time they get to the last few episodes :( How can something be so good for so long then become this?? Very frustrating...i don't know whether to remove it from my favs list or not cause i still love the earlier eps lol

Aw, come on! Even if MH messed the last episodes, Claymore is still one of the best anime-based mangas i ever saw. Is not like never in the anime story a great series got a not-so-great ending!! :)

Besides, you can still recommend Claymore episodes up to 21 and then recommend the manga for a better ending, instead. We still have the manga to follow, right? ;)

Goofus Maximus

2007-09-19, 17:27

Oh yes, the Goddess with these many arms...

Protection leads to fight
fight leads to killing

so far so good,

But Love leads to peace
peace leads to well... if they don't died along ago, then they are happy lives somewhere...and so on. But not killing :)

Love leads to jealousy. Jealousy leads to fighting. Fighting leads to killing... ;) The real reason Pris and Clare are fighting! Raki!

shouri

2007-09-19, 17:32

Can they please stop with the huge power ups like dbz, it is just making it terrible.

BBM

2007-09-19, 17:36

Don't worry just one more episode....

Haruyasha

2007-09-19, 17:46

Question... did anyone else notice how Deneve's 2nd sword magically disappeared when the 3 of them stopped running to have a little talk?

Here's an image:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/97/imageon3.jpg

I usually don't notice things like this... but since I did... it's pretty bad. :/

Asai

2007-09-19, 17:47

hollywoodlou

2007-09-19, 17:57

Wow, people sure are trashing it lately.

I didn't think this episode was too bad. I did prefer the earlier stuff with more character development, but these past few with the invasion and the major fights have been a nice dose of action. I look forward to seeing how they conclude it.

I must say though, I did expect Raki to become useful toward the end. It disappoints me he's still a whiny little brat. Can't see next episode redeeming his useless character. Probably the biggest letdown.

Me? I've vented too much steam already for the past 10 episodes that I've ran out of it. Haven't voted yet BUt it's past 6 for me for now. The only thing I didn't like was jean showing Un-Claymore efforts to lift Raki up the volcano with a massive gunshot wound in the abs but that's pretty much it, plus Raki becoming the hero of ep 26 (wtf!)
How can you regenerate SLOWLY when you're exerting a lot of effort?

The Slashers looking like the Trashers...having Deneve's hands (both) being cut off...that was for shock value. She'd better have them attached quickly or it's over for her. And I seriously thought Pris was going to squash Miria, good to know it didn't happen. I'm thinking either Galatea or Alicia/Beth will show up in 26 but it's close to impossible...

superzombie23

2007-09-19, 18:00

The Slashers looking like the Trashers...having Deneve's hands (both) being cut off...that was for shock value. She'd better have them attached quickly or it's over for her.

I think she can regenerate a new pair while the wounds are open. She's not an offensive type which has to re-attach the actual limb that got cut. Anyhow, that scene where Priscilla throws Deneve's sword into Helen's leg then proceeds to cut off Deneve's hands and Helen's leg was just TOO funny. I Lol'd watching it.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-19, 18:06

Yeah deneve will pop another couple limbs out no prob lol Hard going for helen tho heh

As for the ophelia comment: She was fully awakened, just cause she squished a humanish form at the end of her funky body didnt mean she was half awakened. Riful looks and acts like a human most of the time too, is she half awakened? Come on people. If you have to dig in the guts, you are a yoma.

EasyPrey

2007-09-19, 18:06

Well, this is what you get for giving a mentally immature person powerful weapons and ability.

The Organization is to be blamed for her crisis, IMHO.

You are quite correct. However, Priscilla is not "immature". Her mind is actually fractured. She is in deep psychosis.

It is truly a sad state of affairs. Most people would not blame a handicap person--who is missing legs--on why he cannot run. His condition does not allow him to do that task (running). Is that his fault? Of course not.

Priscilla's mind is in deep psychosis. Her mental condition does not allow her to make a rational choice. She is handicap (as far as her mind is considered). Her mental state does not allow her to even understand what is going on. Much less make rational decisions.

But some people are quick to jump on her and blame her. She did not ask to be traumatized. She did not ask to be kidnapped against her will to be sent to become a Claymore (at age may be 8 or 9). She certainly did not want to become a weapon. She was "weaponized" against her will. If you are going to blame someone. The only party that shoulders the blame is the org that made her--against her will-that way. They (being the adults) should have done a physiological evaluation before making her a monster.

Priscilla was made a monster by the org. You wanna blame someone blame the culprit (the org). Priscilla is the victim of the org's unabated desire for power.

-EasyPrey

PhongNguyen

2007-09-19, 18:09

You remembered how Rifu said "oh a very tiny yoki just arrived" later "wow a strong one just arrived" which she can feel the yoki far away. Also the AB fought with #4 ophellia whatever, after Clare escape with Raki, the AB said "they only gotten this far?" after she twisted #4's neck. Anyway what pissed me off how Priscilla got her hand cut off, I mean she could have notices all the other claymores must be near by her before she got cut. And yeah earlier someone posted about former #3,4,5 Irene etc couldn't touch Priscilla, but present #6,13,15 Mira, Helen whatever touched Priscilla and she powered up. While Ricardo defeated Miria, Helen, Denve easily but got defeated by Clare.

Unless MADHOUSE think

#1 could it be Priscilla haven't fought for a long time, so she gotten weaker, that why she couldn't sense any comming yoki.

or #2
Priscilla's arm got cut off by Helen's long arm attack which is Helen's personal special move.

anyway yeah all the power are quite stupid, they need to keep it balance.
for example A stronger>B , then B>C , but C>A doesn't make sense

neutralizer

2007-09-19, 18:32

Wow, lots of limb dismemberments, pretty damn bloody. I was surprised that Clare would just sit there and watch her comrades get massacred. This episode did lose some serious points for DBZ style powerups, but I still can't wait to see the conclusion, especially since I already pissed from missing the conclusion to School Days.

Icephere

2007-09-19, 18:37

Cooler1339

2007-09-19, 19:02

It was a perfectly fine episode. Im tired of all the manga tards complaining about it. I've seen both versions and they are both good. Sad to see the DBZ posts being deleted when we have to put up with these guys who complain. Whats next? don't like their hair color because you prefer it black and white?

Why could Clare not hurt Priscilla when the other 3 were able to? Easy answer, Priscilla wanted to kill Clare because she thinks she is Teresa. She would cut Teresa no slack. The other 3 she thought were her buddies at first. She never had signs of worry because she was playing with them.

This is a great anime and easily became my favorite.

Elandyll

2007-09-19, 19:03

The negativity for many posters is now feeding of itself it seems, and it looks like some posters (holywood, dazar, superzombie and a few others) are merely waiting new episodes to only bash it on the forum and exchange their pseudo-witty lashes at the anime vs manga. It is getting honestly old, but this being said...

I agree with this fully.
I seriously wish Madhouse had just made clare fully awaken instead of the partial awakening. At least then it would explain how #47 25% yoma defeated the strongest awakened being ever.

If by strongest AB ever you mean Rigaldo, not even close. He is just a very strong AB, period. Remember that for while he was playing offense/defence with Miria without gaining a clear advantage, and she isn't even in the top 5 Claymores ?(arguable since her partial awakening, but clearly not a top 3 either).
Rigaldo has been beaten in the past and you know it.

If A>B, and B>C, then A should always be superior to C...
That can be proven false, depending on the context, and specially in anime.
Let's take an abstract exemple.
A has a potential of 5000, but only uses 50% of that said potential.
B has a potential of 5000, but only uses 25% of it.
C has a potential of 10000 but only uses 5% of it..

A=2500
B=1250
C=500

So A>B>C is true, until the % of potential use context changes.
And back regarding the anime, the true potential of Clare is absolutely unknown.

P.S. about all the " it looks like DBZ" bashing: Again, the manga started it all. So if you are saying that again in a "manga is so good" vs "anime is crap" spirit, go re-check which started the whole "She is releasing 10% of her power to do this, 30% to do that" etc. The anime only makes it more visual to not have characters talking during two hours explaining what is hapening.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-19, 19:18

Umm..are we supposed to only comment on episodes we like 100%? Sure buddy. I gave my opinion on the episodes as i see them. If there are crappy parts in the show that don't make sense, i am not gonna say good job! 10/10 because i really like claymore on the whole! And honestly i wait for the next episode in hopes that they will pull out something good, but i have been disappointed. Don't assume someone's mindset.

To Cooler:
I also didn't make any mention of the manga in comparison to the show, its inconsistancies and poor writing stand on their own.

jor8888

2007-09-19, 20:26

6/10 and I dont need to tell u guys why I voted 6 since u are not me and I am not u.

Pandalax

2007-09-19, 20:39

6/10 and I dont need to tell u guys why I voted 6 since u are not me and I am not u.
Why did you tell us that you voted 6 then? We are not you and you are not us, so we don't need to know that you voted 6.

I think this was a pretty good episode overall. There are some annoying things, but I really enjoyed the fight and Clare's awakened form. I haven't read the manga yet, so I didn't know she would look like that in her awakened form.

Garet Jax

2007-09-19, 20:54

P.S. about all the " it looks like DBZ" bashing: Again, the manga started it all. So if you are saying that again in a "manga is so good" vs "anime is crap" spirit, go re-check which started the whole "She is releasing 10% of her power to do this, 30% to do that" etc. The anime only makes it more visual to not have characters talking during two hours explaining what is hapening.

I haven't read the manga, so I was wondering about that. I don't dislike how it is in the anime, but I do kind of agree with the statements about the excess of power, as I keep hoping that Clare will instead go "Teresa-mode" and fight with skill as she used to, instead of just hammering away. It would be more elegant. More Teresa! That's her whole reason for fighting, of course, so it would fit better. But if the manga is like this too, oh well. :p It's still enjoyable.

RoryTate

2007-09-19, 20:55

Some minor quibbles with this episode, but mostly a very good battle.

This was definitely Priscilla's episode to shine, and her self-justifications, fears, and delusions were incredible. Internally, her sense of justice is very consistent, and while it may seem completely based in fantasy to others, she clings to it as her last bit of her humanity, even finding justification in "I only ate a little bit of guts". A fascinating line, and good delivery of it by the VA. Her fear of Theresa had to be the highlight of this episode, however, and the way she proved to herself that she was stronger by toying with Clare was very believable, and well done.

Miria again showed why her "strength approaches that of the number one in group battles". It was her directions to Helen and Deneve that allowed her to get a chance to land a killing blow on Priscilla. I don't see this as an inconsistency in strength levels when compared to Clare...Miria is simply a good strategist, and that was what was shown here.

Yay! Raki and Jeane! I was so looking forward to Raki supporting her, and the image of her leaning on his shoulder was everything I'd hoped it would be. The bit afterwards of synchronizing their footsteps was inspired. Very symbolic.

And speaking of symbolism, I loved the image of Clare being swallowed up by the organization.

I do have to mention a couple of things I didn't like though: the animation level was noticeably cartoonish when the battle began and Priscilla first defended herself, and then the suddenly long tongue as she impaled Clare (what purpose did showing that serve? huh?). My biggest gripe though was Clare sitting and watching as Miria, Helen, and Deneve had their limbs turned into mincemeat. Well, it's not that she sat there I guess...I can see several potential reasons why she might...like she is frightened because she realizes how her goal is unachievable, and that she was close to dying before the others saved her. However, all her short dialog exposed was that she needed to get stronger. What the...? That's a waste of a perfect chance for character development IMO, and it leaves a big hole in the flow of the episode.

I'll wait to pass judgment on Clare's new form until I see it in action, but I wonder if anyone else thought it looked...messy? Unbalanced? Just my initial reaction I guess.

Rhyel

2007-09-19, 20:57

It was amazing... Clare development still very close to manga.

Next week I dont came here until see the episode to not ruin the surprise of the final episode.

Cooler1339

2007-09-19, 21:01

Jhono1

2007-09-19, 21:17

Oh how the mighty have fallen, such a waste to such a good series. Because thats what it was, up till they started to diverge from the story in the manga. You can clearly see a huge drop in quality right there. And thats why I watched this show. Sure the action was nice sometimes, but what kept me watching was the story, and where they would take it. And the producers have not chosen a good path in my opinion. Whoever writes this crap for madhouse should get fired.

This episode? Must get stronger, waah waah some random fighting, and lets end it with a big Claaaaare. Still a buildup for the last episode. And not a good one at that. Gave this one a 4. Because that was what is was, a poor episode. Dident like the action, dident like the story and I though the animation was kinda bland. So all in all, a poor episode.

The plot from the earlier episodes are totally forgotten. Why? I mean why the fuck introduce character such as the other abyssal one (riful? sp), and then just totally forget it. Same with the organisations plan, and Mirias investigation of said plan. Etc etc etc. Sorry lots of hate here, but the way this anime has taken seriously pisses me off, and from reading here, im not exactly the only one that feels that way.

Schuyler

2007-09-19, 21:20

People are just mad, and really pissed off, we all was hoping for a second season, but there is like 0.1%, for another season :(.

Ashez

2007-09-19, 21:23

I agree you Rorytate. You managed to get some nice comment's down. I want to add that I thought the ep was a bit slow. Nice with some development but it feels like they could've built it up more with Clare. For example: Her just sitting there at the end "must be strong" they could've done something else.

Also agree with cooler 1339.
The anime is not the manga! Has anyone said it's supposed to be like the manga?
Yes it obviously did follow it but now they are changing. What's so bad about a second ending?
Haven't everyone complained enough about it not being like the manga? How about discussing the anime instead of whinning on and on about the manga.

I'm looking forward to the end, they have several ways to go with it so it's gona be fun watching the last ep!

SeijiSensei

2007-09-19, 21:30

I am totally bemused thinking about how all the plot threads are supposed to be completed in just one more episode. Even if Priscilla is defeated, what about Eisley? What is the Organization's true purpose? What about Riful and that other AB that we've never seen who were supposedly preparing to be at war with Eisley? There are such a large number of questions like these that appear will remain forever unanswered. Given the apparent slow pace of manga releases, it seems highly unlikely we'll see another season of Claymore any time soon.

Personally I would gladly have seen the time spent on the battle scenes in these last three episodes reduced in half and devoted to development of the plot itself. I've enjoyed Claymore quite a bit these past few months and am rather disappointed that it doesn't look like it will end in a coherent fashion.

Hikapo

2007-09-19, 21:32

This episode is pretty good I like the fight and the tensions going on.

I wonder how are they gonna sum up everything in 1 episode.

Fledge

2007-09-19, 21:43

I was amazing... Clare development still very close to manga.

Next week I dont came here until see the episode to not ruin the surprise of the final episode.
Yes, you were amazing... wait, which one were you? :p

Good idea. I made the mistake of looking at the two screenies early in this topic. That made this episode somewhat uneventful when I finally watched it. I was glad that they are still setting up Jean for her proper tear-jerking death, and that they didn't entirely leave out Claire's entry in the Edward Scissorhands Look-Alike Contest. But... I wish I could get an explanation from the producers behind their sudden deviation. The timing and need for a traditional series finale sequence is obvious, but why was it done in that exact manner.

Okay, it is believable that Claymores and Awakened Beings can withstand the heat and gas that is naturally part of a volcano environment. But - Raki!? No way... my brain screams, "LACK OF REALISM!" and that technicality didn't stop dozens of other series of having at least one 'volcano showdown' scene. Hopefully, this common setting will get used in a fresh way in 1x26.

I'm also wondering if they'll give us the real annoying practice of breaking the battle between finale and the following premiere. The time you have to wait - blaaah.

And with so much extra filler added, why not elaborate on Raki and the slave traders that captured him? Well, I guess it's too late since that detail was already omitted. Or maybe show that random progress report on Alicia & Beth? Better yet, throw in one of those "Extra Scene Mangas" into a full or half episode. The third one is relevant as a flashback for Isley.

If I ever get around to rating it after this post, I'm certainly going to deduct marks for the volcano, as much as I think an extra minute for steroid testing Priscilla before the match was necessary.

Negativedark

2007-09-19, 21:44

I'll wait to pass judgment on Clare's new form until I see it in action, but I wonder if anyone else thought it looked...messy? Unbalanced? Just my initial reaction I guess.

Well unlike Priscilla's power up Claire's transformation is from the manga. As for it looking unbalenced, remember her right arm is origanally from Ilena. So it actually makes perfect sense for it to look different.

Icephere

2007-09-19, 21:45

To DazarGaidin: I never mentioned anything about you so we have no problem.

I never said anything about having to vote it perfect, I just dislike the people who say its stupid because of reasons they don't understand. I also dislike the people who constantly remind us that the manga is better in 5 different ways.

I totally agree with you. The "manga is so much better than the anime...OH MY GOD THE ANIME DIVERGED FROM THE MANGA...THAT IS THE SHITZ!" is getting so damn old already. Get your facts straight that this anime is DIFFERENT from the manga since the beginning itself. Many things that were in the manga had not been covered in the anime, and if every detail of the manga exists in the anime, then what is the purpose of the manga itself? While you are aware that the manga chapters are released monthly, it would be utterly pointless if the anime spoils for us the the remaining plot that the manga is yet to cover for us.

syniel

2007-09-19, 21:59

Yeah, nothing says clare can't actually be stronger than teresa...we also have no clue at all what teresa woulda been like awakened...i am sure all that 'she has potential to surpass teresa" stuff wasn't factoring in an awakened teresa.

Gotta agree with you

they sort of opened the door for that also in this ep when Miria has her chat with the others about how Claire can "suddenly get stronger in abrupt shifts. When Priscilla in this ep complains about how "weak" Teresa is she's not really realizing that she's already awakened. She's thinking of herself as still a Claymore and comparing her power to Clare's basically as if she were back in the Priscilla / Teresa battle those years ago.

I gave it 7/10 ... i think i should probably have scored it higher but there wasn't enough focus on the primary character so I think I felt a bit short changed.

For fave's this season I'm going Lucky Star # 1 anf this a close #2, though. I think the way they are tying the manga together with the anime is real slick considering they are ending it this season. O and for the record I liked BOTH manga and anime. <3

AllpowerfulKon

2007-09-19, 22:07

I haven't read the manga, so I was wondering about that. I don't dislike how it is in the anime, but I do kind of agree with the statements about the excess of power, as I keep hoping that Clare will instead go "Teresa-mode" and fight with skill as she used to, instead of just hammering away. It would be more elegant. More Teresa! That's her whole reason for fighting, of course, so it would fit better. But if the manga is like this too, oh well. :p It's still enjoyable.

YES!!!! If Claire went "Teresa-mode" that would be amazing!!!!!!! I hate to say it, but the last few episodes have been disappointing. I know there are a lot of Raki-haters out there, and I have to say that I will probably join you soon. This entire show I've been hoping that he would break down and become a Claymore (doesn't he realize yet that's the only way that he can "save" Clare?) But, it seems like this is gonna end in a typical way - Clare's gonna awaken, and Raki's gonna come up and hug her or something like that: "Raki! No! Go away before I kill you" "No, Clare, I won't. I'll save you this time. We promised we would survive." "But Raki, I can't go back. Leave before it's too late!" "No, Clare, I can't. I love you." Then somehow Clare goes back to normal. Wow, really original. Srry, I'm just ticked because I loved this show so much.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-19, 22:22

Sigh

As I said before. Manga is manga, anime is anime. No point comparing them now since the story in anime went so different from manga.

AllpowerfulKon

2007-09-19, 22:34

Sigh

As I said before. Manga is manga, anime is anime. No point comparing them now since the story in anime went so different from manga.

Well, if ur talking to me, I've never read the manga.

Ashez

2007-09-19, 22:35

YES!!!! If Claire went "Teresa-mode" that would be amazing!!!!!!! I hate to say it, but the last few episodes have been disappointing. I know there are a lot of Raki-haters out there, and I have to say that I will probably join you soon. This entire show I've been hoping that he would break down and become a Claymore (doesn't he realize yet that's the only way that he can "save" Clare?) But, it seems like this is gonna end in a typical way - Clare's gonna awaken, and Raki's gonna come up and hug her or something like that: "Raki! No! Go away before I kill you" "No, Clare, I won't. I'll save you this time. We promised we would survive." "But Raki, I can't go back. Leave before it's too late!" "No, Clare, I can't. I love you." Then somehow Clare goes back to normal. Wow, really original. Srry, I'm just ticked because I loved this show so much.

haha your right with the end, probably what's going to happen but I hope not =)

DarkSide Hero

2007-09-19, 22:36

The negativity for many posters is now feeding of itself it seems, and it looks like some posters (holywood, dazar, superzombie and a few others) are merely waiting new episodes to only bash it on the forum and exchange their pseudo-witty lashes at the anime vs manga. It is getting honestly old, but this being said...

If by strongest AB ever you mean Rigaldo, not even close. He is just a very strong AB, period. Remember that for while he was playing offense/defence with Miria without gaining a clear advantage, and she isn't even in the top 5 Claymores ?(arguable since her partial awakening, but clearly not a top 3 either).
Rigaldo has been beaten in the past and you know it.

No I meant Clare defeating Priscilla, which will happen in the next episode....ooohhh! spooiiiiiilerrrr!:eyespin:

I haven't read the manga, so I was wondering about that. I don't dislike how it is in the anime, but I do kind of agree with the statements about the excess of power, as I keep hoping that Clare will instead go "Teresa-mode" and fight with skill as she used to, instead of just hammering away. It would be more elegant. More Teresa! That's her whole reason for fighting, of course, so it would fit better. But if the manga is like this too, oh well. :p It's still enjoyable.

lets just say its not DBZ 9000 POWA!!!! in the manga at all.

ErianMyra

2007-09-19, 22:55

I've given up on the "it's not the manga, oh noez" now. At first I had manga-->anime culture shock, but now, the action is finally picking up. And anime-Raki is still...dragging the action. I'm sure people will be outraged that all I care about is the action and that I have no appreciation for art, but come on, it's the ending of a basically action anime, I'd like to have action not Raki yelling/whispering/moaning/sniffling Clare's name. Enough with the relationship build and more with the Clare pwnage!

Sakuya

2007-09-19, 23:02

Dang, Clare's transformation happened at the end of the episode, and here I thought they would conclude the fight in this episode but it seems they're going to drag it out until the finale.

And it doesn't seem there would be room for any Riful either. :( That's probably my only gripe about their doing their anime original ending. Well, I won't be able to judge until next week, getting ahead of myself. :heh:

GundamZZ

2007-09-19, 23:10

I have a feeling.

The anime ending is what manga will turn out( in that direction).
It happens to all anime that ended earlier than manga.

In short, Priscilla is from galaxy far far away and Clare is from fifth dimension.

therationalpi

2007-09-19, 23:13

One more episode left. I'm very interested to see how they end it. One episode feels more that a bit short considering how much has left to happen.

There is only enough time for the ending to be either very surprising and good, or very rushed and bad.

Within a week, we will know for sure.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-19, 23:36

Well, I wonder how the anime going to address the odious presence of the Organization. Personally I felt that it is best left to the manga to resolve it, anime has not space for it.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-19, 23:37

Well, if ur talking to me, I've never read the manga.

Nah, not to you, but to the people who keep harping on how the manga owns and anime sucks because it not a manga Xerox copy.

Rotary Knight

2007-09-19, 23:37

I can see why people are starting be irratated by the latest episodes, I mean I was too since they strayed away from the story. But I know that waiting for 4 years one a continuation is too long for an anime, and they wanted to close it off, so the whole powerup thing is the only way to do it I guess.

To end an anime quick, characters need DBZ style power ups.......but atleast its not 3 episodes long for powering up hahahaha

I love the manga, but the latest episodes of the anime is starting to create a fondness for me. I told 3 of my friends to watch this anime, whom never read the manga, and they all liked it from ep1 to the latest, 25.
If I have never read the manga, I would like the anime version also.

^Sakon

2007-09-20, 00:11

8/10 I'll try to keep it short..known for posting a book instead of a reply hehe

Animation was pretty good, tho few scenes were cartoon-ish, but that i can handle. As for the "they (miria, deneve, helen) shouldn't have been able to hurt her b/c clare couldn't blah blah"
1: she took them lightly, but still dodged effortlessly even tho they had her pretty well ready for the final stroke, hence why she took a little damage
2: she HATES Teresa, so full on intent to kill from the get go, least till she realizes she's so much stronger than clare is.
3: Clare tried to match power for power, doesn't work obviously, MDH went with tactics and surprise obviously worked better, but still got sliced n diced (loved that part even if they are some of my fav chars)

Raki scenes, to be expected, still hoping he does something good in the last ep, Jean also to be expected, and prolly gonna take her manga role next ep.

Yes, episode direction, not even comparing to the manga, took a turn i hoped it didn't, but it's still not a horrid series at all. Comparing to the manga it does lack (mainly due to the fact that next ep and its over :( sooo wanted a second season) but still just because MH is orig ending this current series, doesn't mean they(or anyone else) can't pick up the series again once manga concludes and OVA it. Overall Claymore has been a pretty enjoyable anime, and as to the DBZ comments, loved it as a kid, much less now so, but at least the claymore "boss fight" will obviously be short by comparison (can't do 1 fight thru 3 chapters since its last ep hehe)

Kinematics

2007-09-20, 00:23

I'm really disappointed in the DBZ'ing of the fights. It has become all "Must get stronger!", "Must kill!", "Hulk smash!", with no finesse at all. Clare switching to "Teresa mode" would be great. Heck, what happened to her own skills at reading and predicting yoki that she's been training in all these years? All those years of learning how to use a rapier, then just tossing it away to use a jackhammer.

The episode itself, when viewed in isolation, was done well. The action was good, the colors were vibrant, and the heroes of the story are in a very difficult situation, keeping the viewer at the edge of the seat. No complaints on that.

The problem is when it's viewed in the context of the entire series. There's revenge for Teresa as a motivation, but nothing else. Clare's mental strength and determination have given way to rage. Her carefully honed skills have given way to hammering away with raw power (and in terms of raw power, there's no bloody way she could ever beat Priscilla). What about what she learned from Ophelia and Irene? Have they become irrelevant as well? And of course one little item that I was hoping would play a part, the fact that Clare and Teresa were named after the twin goddesses of love (which they even alluded to briefly in this episode); Clare being consumed by hate does nothing for that.

That's of course ignoring the huge plot holes: the Organization and its goals; Rubel's presence, and what his agenda was when working with Raphaela; Galatea's presence; Riful's plans and offer; Miria's investigations; etc. Can't expect them all to be tied up, of course, but at least some of it could have been handled better.

I haven't read this far into the manga, and I am not making any comparison between the anime and the manga. These are solely issues I have with the anime itself. Up to the Pieta arc, Claymore was on my "absolute must buy on DVD" list. Now.... it feels like I've been cheated out of what should have been a fantastic series, which has instead returned to bland shonen DBZ/Naruto drek. There have still been good points, but most of the 'amazingness' has drained out.

I'll give it a 6 for doing the episode well, but trashing the story.

khryoleoz

2007-09-20, 00:36

You are quite correct. However, Priscilla is not "immature". Her mind is actually fractured. She is in deep psychosis.

It is truly a sad state of affairs. Most people would not blame a handicap person--who is missing legs--on why he cannot run. His condition does not allow him to do that task (running). Is that his fault? Of course not.

Priscilla's mind is in deep psychosis. Her mental condition does not allow her to make a rational choice. She is handicap (as far as her mind is considered). Her mental state does not allow her to even understand what is going on. Much less make rational decisions.

But some people are quick to jump on her and blame her. She did not ask to be traumatized. She did not ask to be kidnapped against her will to be sent to become a Claymore (at age may be 8 or 9). She certainly did not want to become a weapon. She was "weaponized" against her will. If you are going to blame someone. The only party that shoulders the blame is the org that made her--against her will-that way. They (being the adults) should have done a physiological evaluation before making her a monster.

Priscilla was made a monster by the org. You wanna blame someone blame the culprit (the org). Priscilla is the victim of the org's unabated desire for power.

-EasyPrey
Then fine. She is a victim. If her rational faculties are so messed up that we can't hold her responsible for her choices, then we can still judge her on the basis of the consequences of her choices. And that is that she's a threat to human life and if human life is to be highly valued then she must be eliminated. There really is still a difference between the tragedies that led to one becoming a killer and the tragedies of those who are being killed by that. And the killer just isn't as worthy of sympathy as those being unjustly killed. Actually, why don't we blame the Yoma that took her innocence, which led to the org finding her, which led to her weaponization, which led to her encounter with Teresa. On the other hand, how old was Deneve when she saw the massacre of her own family? Were they of comparable age? Maybe Priscilla was just too immature to handle the trauma she suffered, leading to an unbalanced mental state after. Damn yoma! But wait, the yoma would no more be responsible as he probably couldn't help himself and was simply doing what he was wired to. Man, where does this stop?

Shadow X

2007-09-20, 01:08

Not a bad eps to me. Now I just can't wait for 26 to release, wonder how they are going to end it. :D

Gooral

2007-09-20, 01:26

A has a potential of 5000, but only uses 50% of that said potential.
B has a potential of 5000, but only uses 25% of it.
C has a potential of 10000 but only uses 5% of it..

A=2500
B=1250
C=500

So A>B>C is true, until the % of potential use context changes.
And back regarding the anime, the true potential of Clare is absolutely unknown.

Yeah, and Miria, Helen and Deneve used only small part of their youki when fighting Riguald, even though they were about to die, and when they faced Priscilla they stopped acting weak. Brilliant.

P.S. about all the " it looks like DBZ" bashing: Again, the manga started it all. So if you are saying that again in a "manga is so good" vs "anime is crap" spirit, go re-check which started the whole "She is releasing 10% of her power to do this, 30% to do that" etc. The anime only makes it more visual to not have characters talking during two hours explaining what is hapening.
Sure, in manga there is some resemblance to other shounen series, but not to a degree as it is in anime, for example in manga there are no awakened awakened beings :D. Have You read Extra Scenes ?

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-20, 02:34

Sageblink

2007-09-20, 05:35

Priscilla starts getting rellay annoying to me.
Okay... "Memories frozen"... "Papa... Mama..."

Can't she just die or kill them?
Just make her leave, please. :heh:

Edit : Now i'm thinking of it... Clare gets on my nerves too.
Those 3 last episodes are really painful (to me, more precisely).

Hopefully, I still have the manga to make my day.

BaalChaamon

2007-09-20, 06:34

The reason why the 3 able to damage Priscillia is because they are rested whereas Claire went in right after big fight against Rigald. Hence she is not able to fight Priscillia with equal vigor she has against Rigald.

So while Claire recuperating for a while, the 3 buy time in a way so Claire can go on to next Awakening stage, later. Tag team ala WWE. Maybe. Hehe.

I dont think they were that rested, think of it except for Helen they all got battered by Simba really badly. Which leaves two possibilities, either that Miria was able to damage Prisci because she took her by suprise with her Phantom move+Priscilla not being the most honed tactician to see through their attack pattern or that our beloved dellussional Steroid freak is just not really that much bothered about getting cut and pierced by 'Weaklings that can't stand a chance against her in the first place. I'm basing this on the comment that Easley made about Prisicilla being like the time he met her, which was revealed in the Manga extra chapter 3:

She didn't make much effort dodging Easleys attack, maybe she wasn't able to because he was superior in speed...no matter, she knew she could easily defeat him which probably made her more reluctant to make a real effort.

The reason why she is vividly blocking Claire's attacks is because she thinks it Teresa whom she viewed as the only real threat to her power.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-20, 07:07

I will say this, i am eagerly looking forward to seeing the spiderlope in action :)

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-20, 07:08

Much better explaination, thanks.

Rotary Knight

2007-09-20, 08:43

Yeah, and Miria, Helen and Deneve used only small part of their youki when fighting Riguald, even though they were about to die, and when they faced Priscilla they stopped acting weak. Brilliant.

It couldve been that they got more powerful after resting from righting Rigualdo.
Or its maybe because Pricilla was intent on only killing Clair.
I mean, Pricilla did do a few numbers on them.

Fenrir_valindri

2007-09-20, 08:47

I dont think they were that rested, think of it except for Helen they all got battered by Simba really badly. Which leaves two possibilities, either that Miria was able to damage Prisci because she took her by suprise with her Phantom move+Priscilla not being the most honed tactician to see through their attack pattern or that our beloved dellussional Steroid freak is just not really that much bothered about getting cut and pierced by 'Weaklings that can't stand a chance against her in the first place. I'm basing this on the comment that Easley made about Prisicilla being like the time he met her, which was revealed in the Manga extra chapter 3:

She didn't make much effort dodging Easleys attack, maybe she wasn't able to because he was superior in speed...no matter, she knew she could easily defeat him which probably made her more reluctant to make a real effort.

The reason why she is vividly blocking Claire's attacks is because she thinks it Teresa whom she viewed as the only real threat to her power.

Really? By the way he made it sound he was refering to...
Isley made it sound like Priscilla acted like she is now, as in a crazy/ruthless/ and retarded AB, when in the extra chapter she was child-like, and rather hesistant to use her full power in dealing with both Rigaldo and Isley.
Basically the Anime is ignoring what Priscilla was actually like during the first meeting between Isley and her.

BaalChaamon

2007-09-20, 09:01

Really? By the way he made it sound he was refering to...
Isley made it sound like Priscilla acted like she is now, as in a crazy/ruthless/ and retarded AB, when in the extra chapter she was child-like, and rather hesistant to use her full power in dealing with both Rigaldo and Isley.
Basically the Anime is ignoring what Priscilla was actually like during the first meeting between Isley and her.

Good point, but we can only make very vague assumptions about it. Putting the manga in the context, despite the obvious plot changes in the anime gives her behaviour some sort of pattern. I think the reason why she was reluctant to use her full power was because she knew both Easley and Rigardo didnt pose a real threat to her. But when facing Claire she faces the psychological drama that was triggered by her fight against Teresa where she was confronted with the limits of her power.

She had enough chances to slice and dice Miria, Helen and Deneve...same goes even for her piercing Claire...but than again the anime would be over with all our heroines dead....and Madhouse HQ probably bombed :heh:

khryoleoz

2007-09-20, 09:54

Good point, but we can only make very vague assumptions about it. Putting the manga in the context, despite the obvious plot changes in the anime gives her behaviour some sort of pattern. I think the reason why she was reluctant to use her full power was because she knew both Easley and Rigardo didnt pose a real threat to her. But when facing Claire she faces the psychological drama that was triggered by her fight against Teresa where she was confronted with the limits of her power.

She had enough chances to slice and dice Miria, Helen and Deneve...same goes even for her piercing Claire...but than again the anime would be over with all our heroines dead....and Madhouse HQ probably bombed :heh:

If that's the reasoning we'll go by, then it doesn't make sense because it wasn't Clare she was fighting when she "released full-on". To piggy back on another point, yeah, Clare is much stronger and faster in her state now than any of the other three who couldn't even touch the lesser being Rigardo. Yet, they were able to poke minor injury at someone much stronger? The writers are just plain sucking, that's what's happening. Nevermind the divergence from manga plot, I don't like these eps because the writing is simply atrocious and so full of wholes as to be perforated.

flick

2007-09-20, 10:17

I know this sounds terrible, but I thought this episode was uh... not very good, to put it gently. After episode 24, I had high expectations, but somehow the story just *didn't* flow. It has been mentioned before that the difference in ability is just too great. I really don't see how they can end the story (or at least this 'arc') on 26 without hurrying the fight sequence. They did spend 2-3 episodes on the Rigardo (or Simba, as some people have started to call him!) vs. Clare fight.
Serious injustice to the wonder of the earlier episodes.

hierophant

2007-09-20, 11:25

My impression is that they filled the Pieta battle into 6 episodes, just because someone in production said "ok, let's just end this crap after Rigaldo".

It is testing my nerves the recurring dialogues:
Jean: "I want to save Clare"
Raki: "Buaaa!! I'm a useless piece of shit!"
Isley: "Interesting. Let me just watch it."
Priscila: "You killed Papa and Mama!!! You yoma!"
Clare: "More power! More power!"

They could have explained a whole lot more stuff if they didn't lose time in this nonsense (the Raki subplot, the filler dialogues, and the slowed storyline pace).:upset:

X_Danny_X

2007-09-20, 12:04

hopefully clare will survive in the end and that she will be with the boy. i think they might be in love.

BaalChaamon

2007-09-20, 12:15

hopefully clare will survive in the end and that she will be with the boy. i think they might be in love.

How wrong that would be...really hope its not mutual

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-20, 12:22

There is nothing wrong with their love. I don't see it as wrong. After all, human emotions is never logical or moral guided. Is not they are committing incest.

Seska

2007-09-20, 12:25

There is nothing wrong with their love. I don't see it as wrong. After all, human emotions is never logical or moral guided. Is not they are committing incest.

especially Love, is never logical. But how knows, how old Clare really is. She has a diffrent "Age rating" against Humans... We don't know how much time has passed since Clare took Teresas Blood and Flesh inside. All that we can compare are other Claymores or from the org... ergo they age slower then Humans... and we know at the start Clare was a Kid... Now we see her grownup Mature... and i bet Teresa was a lot Older then we think compared to Human Age :)

Oh, and another thing... Don't take to much wisdom from Extra 3 into the Anime, please... Perhaps someones Eyebrow will raise a bit, and he will doing Darth Vader with you.... :)Like he did with me, sorry Master!!:)

Sarugaki

2007-09-20, 13:20

Overall an average episode.
Clare looks repulsing. I'm rooting for sweet little Priscilla.

Kreyco

2007-09-20, 13:31

I started the anime a week ago and I've watched it twice through since then and have to say that there is a lot lacking from this episode. I know we all love great fight scenes with damatic powerups, but it seems that Clare has abandoned all maturity that she had gained during the previous episodes. My complaint is mainly the lack of character development/consistency, and that's really what has made anime like FMA so awesome. The first 15 episodes or so really made you love Clare for her effort and growth as a person, in these episodes charachter development was top notch and I say 10/10. Clare always had someone else's well being in mind when she broke her limits in the past. In the cathedral she was protecting Raki, in the Male AB fight, her comrades, in the tunnel with Galatea, her comrades as well, against Opelia, she broke them for Raki. Would she really abandon all ties with frieds and loved ones so recklessly to fight Priscilla!? She wasn't forced into the Pris fight and I think that puts this episode out of charachter. Since I value storyline as 60% of an anime's worth, I have to say episode 25 gets a 5/10, at most a 6.

As for Episode 26, I hope Clare loses the fight and Pris gets away. Pris wouldn't kill Raki and I think Raki will save Clare's life next episode. This would leave a good point to start another season, becuase I think we all want to know what's going on with the orginization and the "Dwellers of the Deep." If Pris lives on, I think we can expect great things in the future from this series. Otherwise, I'm gonna start reading the manga and say, "Hang the anime."

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-09-20, 13:36

Overall an average episode.
Clare looks repulsing. I'm rooting for sweet little Priscilla.

It's funny because it's the opposite for me.

Claire is still female-looking, Pris looks more like a pro-wrestler, with more abdominals than Zangief and Chris Masters combined... :heh:

flick

2007-09-20, 13:54

Seska

2007-09-20, 14:02

She is about to forget the Code of Honor between Nakamas....

She is in full rage now.. and then is episode end... XD....

MadHouse, please next time be more gentle with me :) , and don't overuse some things.. Like "moto Power" and "Claaaare!". Pieta was cool, because there where so many Claymore egos with her own problems. But in the End fight, there are only Clare and Pricillia. Why toss Clare's Nakamas into it? Without them Clare would be all alone wandering, and still searching and been weak.... Please at last, don't break the Battlefield Nakama Honor... Miria/Helen/Deneve/Jean would take it very privatly if she betray them...

All for one, and one for all... There must be some truth inside this...

"With Power there comes responsibility" ... all words that was say in the Anime... and i miss it now... You changed the Director for the Endfight?...

Teresa/Clare1415

2007-09-20, 14:15

It's funny because it's the opposite for me.

Claire is still female-looking, Pris looks more like a pro-wrestler, with more abdominals than Zangief and Chris Masters combined... :heh:

I agree!:p

Elandyll

2007-09-20, 14:27

No I meant Clare defeating Priscilla, which will happen in the next episode....ooohhh! spooiiiiiilerrrr!:eyespin:
You do not know that. Is it conceivable? Well, if Clare realizes her potential as a Teresa/Youma/Clare Hybrid, certainly, given the knowledge we have so far.
But what makes you think that Pris won't instead wipe the floor with a partially awakened Clare, saved at the last moment by Raki pleading to Pris ?

lets just say its not DBZ 9000 POWA!!!! in the manga at all.
Neither is the Anime. Their Yoki flares when used, which is just a more visual way than to have Claymores looking (or Galatea around, already used) saying "Oh, she is now using 10%. Oh .. now 20%. Oh, look, she is now using 50% of her yoki."

Elandyll

2007-09-20, 14:35

Yeah, and Miria, Helen and Deneve used only small part of their youki when fighting Riguald, even though they were about to die, and when they faced Priscilla they stopped acting weak. Brilliant.
They are not going to the extent Clare is, because they know their limits and that 20 or so ABs are still waiting outside. Clare is acting out of anger and desperation, and burns her Yoki way too much in that fight, as you already know.

Sure, in manga there is some resemblance to other shounen series, but not to a degree as it is in anime, for example in manga there are no awakened awakened beings :D. Have You read Extra Scenes ?

I guess you refer to Priscilla "really" awakening during last episode.
This is where you and many others misinterpret what is truly happening.
What our Claymores seem to ignore (rightfully, given what they know in the context) and that we as spectators have already deduced thanks to Riful (as well as Clare's legs, and even more so thanks to the manga for the readers - but that is no spoiler as it can easily be interpreted thanks to past episodes), is that Powerful ABs can chose their form at will, with a probable "default " form.
So what they interpret as Pris's total awakening (she was obviously already an AB) is actually her altering her form for the upcoming fight and releasing more Youki.

Riful

2007-09-20, 14:40

This episode was ... well, pure eye-candy. It was nice to look at, animation and colors were well done. Another good thing was Aya Hisakawa, as always she really brought Prissy's character to life ... so ... evil and full of herself :uhoh: With her "I am justice and kill everybody who doesn't agree with me" way of thinking she is kinda similar to Light Yagami. (Madhouse still stuck in Death Note anime ...)

And that's about it.

I completely agree with Kreyco and Kinematics, so won't repeat all that.

The fighting "coreography" Miria & Co vs Prissy was quite cool ... the one with Clare and Prissy on the other hand was so boring. Half of the episode was full of flashback fillers ... everything was supposed to be really dramatic, but just felt dragged on too long. Too many lines that are repeated all the time.
So even if I try to ignore the lacking story elements and concentrate on a nice fight only ... in the end this is rather disappointing.

Madhouse definitely did not plan this ending carefully. They removed a few things they knew they couldn't put in, alright. But they should have changed and added something to make their personal end flow with the whole series. Adding background story etc earlier instead of putting it in between the fighting scenes. Why did they make it 26 episodes if they don't enough material >.<

@Claymore_Obsessed: Priscilla's second super form looks horrible, like really ugly and ridiculous, can't take her serious at all XD

@Kreyco: Read the manga, you will not regret it, that is for certain. (@flick: you as well ;) )

Elandyll

2007-09-20, 14:42

Finally, I have watched ep. 25 and found it really good.
Fight scenes were excellent, bit too many (already seen) flashbacks to be perfect to my taste, but very good setup for next week's fight and conclusion.
I even found the scene with Jean/Raki good, specially with an excellent musical score and general mood.

The violence with which Pris reacted to each attack is staggering, and I found myself cringing while she was holding Miria and maiming Elenn and Deneve with ease...

As per next week, I have the feeling that anything can go. Many seem to think that with her new awakening Clare will eventually finish Pris off, but -and even though it is a possibility- I wouldn't put that as a certainty in any case.
I'll just have to remind myself to avoid those forums like the plague next tuesday and wednesday to have the surprise (I generally can't get the sub until Wed. evenings). Hope I can be strong and not get myself any spoiler before I watch the last episode hehe.

PGilis

2007-09-20, 14:49

One more... Just one more episode to the BIG ENDING!

Guys, let us pray: next week, please, please God no boats (http://giapet.net/?p=424) and no cooking shows (http://kurogane.animeblogger.net/2007/09/20/higukai-12-replaced-with-nice-food/). That would be worse than 100 whinning Rakis. :upset:

Thanks heavens the scene where loli-Priscilla hit her youma-turned father with an ax was weeks ago. No one can blame this show... or can? :uhoh:

Matrim

2007-09-20, 14:55

The good:

Awakened Priscilla is mightily cool. Hisakawa Aya playing a psychotic character - mightily cool.
Finally a battle that is not way too dark to follow the action without making an effort.

The bad:

Priscilla has been just partially awakened all these years. OK...
Claire was so boring.
The beaten to death cliche of “the villain would rather toy with his/her enemies for hours rather than kill them which in end will be his/her downfall”.

Conclusion - I hope Priscilla kills Claire in the end.

Thanks heavens the scene where loli-Priscilla hit her youma-turned father with an ax was weeks ago. No one can blame this show... or can?

They sure can. The scene in Higurashi that probably caused cancellation of today's episode was aired last year.

Snoffen

2007-09-20, 15:22

hm...what is the name of the song that is played at the beginning when Clare is fighting Priscilla? i dont remember it from the OST :eyebrow:

Its very cool tough! :P

Anyone got any idea?

emu777

2007-09-20, 15:29

My money is on madhouse suddenly allowing raki to "learn Bankai":D, and have hime stop the fight either by stopping priscilla/calre from fighting or causing on of them to weaken allowing them to kille the other side.

jor8888

2007-09-20, 15:36

episode 26:
Priscila has another power up
Clare got her ass kicked
Raki jumps in front and stops the fight
Priscila remembered her pet boy
Clare backstabs Priscila
happy ending

King Lycan

2007-09-20, 15:47

I Gave The EP an 8 because i finally see the powerup she had when she fought rigaldo in the manga {and yes im an manga reader :p}

and im new here :heh:

PGilis

2007-09-20, 16:02

episode 26:
Priscila has another power up
Clare got her ass kicked
Raki jumps in front and stops the fight
Priscila remembered her pet boy
Clare backstabs Priscila
happy ending

Could be worse. What if - after Clare and the others got owned so hard by Priscilla - Raki decides to fight too and completely defeats her himself? :heh:

That could be possible if...

... after seeing him, Priscilla becomes love-love again and revert to her human form to hug him. Hey, she's crazy! So why not? :p

And Raki - knowing there's no other way to free her from that sinful life and save Clare and the others - decides to behead her in just one strike.

Icephere

2007-09-20, 16:21

Okay so after watching the subbed version of the episode, the conclusion is:

Priscilla hadn't completely awakened, which means she was a youma all this while, or was she a half awakened-half yoma monster?

Elandyll

2007-09-20, 17:03

DazarGaidin

2007-09-20, 18:12

Elandyll

2007-09-20, 18:31

No, you do not understand.
What I am saying is that what we hear is the interpretation of what is hapening by our three Claymores, who have a limited understanding of the situation as per the amount of infos they have.
As spectators we (should in your case) know better.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-20, 18:43

Elandyll

2007-09-20, 18:49

I understand what you are trying to say, that Deneve hasn't a clue when she said that. But that isn't the impression i got :P I'm sticking with my theory that they tried to flip the script on us for dramatic effect :P

Yeah .. why think something positive that makes sense when you have decided the show is trash eh?

Sassarai

2007-09-20, 18:57

I took it as deneve referring to pris's form when she said that. Meaning that she has fully awakened but she wasnt using her true form. Either way I think you look for errors that arent there too often dazar cuz youre one of em manga nuts.

I think the ending going to be somewhat like what happened after clare kills rigarldo in the manga.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-20, 19:35

Wow i feel targeted :P Lots of people feel/are saying the same things as me. And why do people keep calling me a manga nut, i didn't even read the manga until like episode 22-23 or something :P I rarely even mention the manga, especially in these poll threads.

I most certainly don't think the show is trash, i like the show a lot, but the ending eps are falling apart writing wise. I am sure a lot of people feel the same way. Compare any of this to the teresa arc. Don't you think a series should get better near the end, not 'hey we should settle for less cause the rest was so good before it'

As for taking the 'positive outlook', thats all dandy but i am basing my negative opinion on the trends established so far in the last few episodes, not on wishful thinking or loyalty to the series 'because it was so great up to now!'. I guess i am a bit of a pessimist (or realist depending on your views) but hey, i keep waiting to be pleasantly surprised (come on spiderlope! come on love-love ending!). See i'm optimistic sometimes :P

Kreyco

2007-09-20, 19:40

They would have us believe she just ate guts because they was tasty :P

I think they _should_ have just explained that she had changed form and was releasing more yoma power (ala duff, riful, isley, rigardo), but thats not what they were trying to say there. They were trying to make some lame twist like she was half awakened lol

As the audience we KNOW for a fact that only awakened beings eat entrails. This is an undeniable fact that isn't under speculation. Pris was awakened in an early episode and simply changed her form in #25. Every time there is a crazy blue or red colored tornado, some charachter, AB or Claymore, changed somehow. To what extent is the only debate worth while. The effect of each limit break( FFVII flasback :twitch:) is a debateble issue. As far as whether or not the steriod Pris is her "true form" is mute since Yoma are shapeshifters and can probably assume any shape/form they desire.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-20, 19:48

As the audience we KNOW for a fact that only awakened beings eat entrails. This is an undeniable fact that isn't under speculation. Pris was awakened in an early episode and simply changed her form in #25. Every time there is a crazy blue or red colored tornado, some charachter, AB or Claymore, changed somehow. To what extent is the only debate worth while. The effect of each limit break( FFVII flasback :twitch:) is a debateble issue. As far as whether or not the steriod Pris is her "true form" is mute since Yoma are shapeshifters and can probably assume any shape/form they desire.

I agree with everything you just said (altho regardo didn't manifest a physical change, he apparently changed strengthwise).

flick

2007-09-20, 19:54

Kreyco

2007-09-20, 20:03

I agree with everything you just said (altho regardo didn't manifest a physical change, he apparently changed strengthwise).

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the tornados are devices used by the director(s) to indicate a high flow rate of yoki. Clare mentioned this at the end of the cathedral fight. Of course, this is relative. The more powerful the being, the more yoki needed to actually make the tornado appear. It's also used to indicate how serious the individual is getting about a particular fight. At least these guys keep the yoki thing straight, even if they have problems with making a good conclusion to the series.

I think part of what we need to remeber when watching the anime is the fact that the subtitles aren't always gonna make complete sense in english( for those of us who don't know Japanese). Terms like "true form" and "half-awakened" seemed a bit off to me, as if the translators were trying to find the best way to describe what was being said.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-20, 20:08

My take is, the last arc is too hastily written and not well thought out, plot wise. Art and action sequence is alright but story is wearing a bit thin. I can see where Dazar coming from.

Kuroske

2007-09-20, 20:35

Where is the nr. 1 & 2??

Will they even be revealed?

Tempest35

2007-09-20, 23:28

FullMetalKid

2007-09-21, 00:02

I gave this a 9 for the fight scenes and that's about it. Comparisons can't be made between the manga and anime due to the differences. As we all know the story has been changed since the better eps. I won't say that this anime isn't good but its not great like it could've been. I expected more or less that if it were to have say filler eps, at least it could've retained the original story line. Continuance to a 2nd season and ended perfectly. Thus i will watch the last ep, give my opinion and wait to read the manga. I can say i did enjoy the anime even with all the changes that were made.

Twisted Reality

2007-09-21, 00:14

I never thought Pris was ever just "half-Awakened" all these years. She just shifted to a human form and kept her memories dormant all that time. Every AB we've met so far has a human form they keep (well, except for Isley's "marchers" but they presumably have human forms too).

^Sakon

2007-09-21, 01:35

Hmm, you know, probably the only thing i can think of that would satisfy everyone here:

Clare and Pris fight goes nutso power vrs power for a bit, Clare gets owned, but then calms down and goes "Teresa mode" maybe due to Raki interference and if not really killin Pris, but beats that fear that Teresa put into her even deeper down her over-muscled neck, and she runs off, EI cliffhanger ending, war in the north concluded, and second season possible.
Best way i can think of for them to be able to fix the story back onto the manga if they decide to, maybe have lil prissy steal raki off, no he can't die, sry Raki haters :P
sure..I'm grasping...and it prolly won't end like that, but hey i can hope :D

NoSanninWa

2007-09-21, 02:19

Where is the nr. 1 & 2??

Will they even be revealed?

If there were going to be revealed it would have happened by now. They are simply being left out of the anime since their storylines would keep the writers from being able to wrap up the story in 26 episodes.

If you want to know about Numbers 1 and 2 you'll have to read the manga or read a manga thread.

Gooral

2007-09-21, 02:45

I seriously think that Priscilla was never told what an Awakened Being actually was due to her being so 'green'. All Priscilla knows is 'Youma' and 'Claymore' that's it. Since Awakened Beings are re-named 'Voracious Eaters' by the ORG to avoid outside suspcision, she wouldn't know what an Awakened Being was to begin with. Claymores work under a 'need-to-know' basis when dealing with that subject. The Black Cards keep it to a minimum within the group but usually only the higher ranks know the truth about what an Awakened Being is. For someone who fought strictly without using youki, the last think the ORG is going to be worried about is her unleashing all her power, which is what happened.
That maybe true that she didn't know the term "Awakened Being", but she was surely warned that going over limit will cause losing her humanity. Black cards system worked before Priscilla was recruited so she must have known what to do with Claymores that went over their limit. Also Priscilla mentioned sth like "There was no reason to refrain" meaning that she knew that going over her limit might cause sth unpleasant.
On the other hand Ophelia knew a thing or two about Awakened Beings but she didn't realise her awakening.

PGilis

2007-09-21, 07:10

I seriously think that Priscilla was never told what an Awakened Being actually was due to her being so 'green'. All Priscilla knows is 'Youma' and 'Claymore' that's it. Since Awakened Beings are re-named 'Voracious Eaters' by the ORG to avoid outside suspcision, she wouldn't know what an Awakened Being was to begin with. Claymores work under a 'need-to-know' basis when dealing with that subject. The Black Cards keep it to a minimum within the group but usually only the higher ranks know the truth about what an Awakened Being is. For someone who fought strictly without using youki, the last think the ORG is going to be worried about is her unleashing all her power, which is what happened.

Great point. If we remember well, even Clare didn't know what a Voracious Eater really is during episodes 03-04. Rubel just explained to her about Awaked Ones in the beggining of episode 09.

The Organization just give information enough to the Claymores fullfill their given mission, nothing else. They're just tools after all.

Most likely, all of then just know about the danger of "turning into a youma if using their powers too much". They were never told about A.O.s, until the day they are chosen to a group of A.O. hunting.

Anh_Minh

2007-09-21, 07:30

BaronNoir

2007-09-21, 07:40

I hope they will top the serie with an explanation of what do the Organization......

PGilis

2007-09-21, 08:25

kureshii

2007-09-21, 09:41

Finally got to watch it, after being p2p-deprived for a week...

Good episode, not as great as the last 2 episodes but still alright I guess. I'm a little disappointed with the fight - IMBA fights aren't very entertaining (I know, it wouldn't be right for Clare to power up so much...). In any case, awakening seems to be an event that's no more surprising than, say, limbs getting lopped off. Oh look, there goes Deneve's hands. That was Helen's leg, wasn't it? Clare's awakening? It's about time too... especially the awakenings, they happen so often that her awakening at the end of this episode doesn't even carry any tension anymore.

Surprisingly, I quite enjoyed Raki and Jean's moment together; Clare's fanclub finally gets to spend a little time without her =) and though it's kinda obvious Jean's going to die in the next episode (not a spoiler! I really don't know if it's going to happen, but based on what we've seen so far I think it's safe to assume that), it's still nice to see a little of her, even if she didn't do much except carry a still-helpless Raki to the volcano.

How many more awakening charges do you think Clare and Priscilla still have each?

PhongNguyen

2007-09-21, 10:28

I thinkt his claymore is all about Clare vs Priscilla. Clare wanted to revange for Teressa, while Pris stupidly wanted to blame it on Teresa. And sadly , we do'nt know what happen to current #1 and #2, Esley, Rifu, and the one from South, or #5's true power, and Irene's whereabout, too much mysterys in this animation.

also I figured Priscilla is half awaken since she beheaded Teressa. Pris was still holding a sword, and her wings look like not finsh develope yet, and her body is small, until I saw Rifu and how hug she is. When Pris full awaken, she don't use the claymore sword no more, just her fingers and stupid wing's missle lol

Bonta Kun

2007-09-21, 10:31

How many more awakening charges do you think Clare and Priscilla still have each?

Let me see, Pris has reached Super Saiyan 3 mode so Clare must be Super Saiyan 2 mode, but I'm not sure we'll see Clare's SS3 mode :(
well technically Clare is only false SS as she hasn't fully awakened but I'll let that one go for now, as it makes things simpler to understand.:p

now we're set for the epic battle, which btw is taking place in a VOLCANO! doesn't get much better than that for an epic action setting!

At this point anyone expecting the story to be great can really just forget it. If you haven't figured already, its set up as 1v1 revenge, fight to the death ending battle. Not much to explain there really:D

Twisted Reality

2007-09-21, 11:02

No, I think Clare knew what an AB was. She knew that Claymores ran the risk of turning into yoma.

She just didn't know how physically different AB are from normal youmas. The one she faced in Rabona was bigger, stronger, and smarter than most of its congeners, so she figured - wrongly - it used to be a Claymore.

And I think they'd have at least told Priscilla the short version - that Claymores who go over their limits turn into youmas. Whether it stuck in her head for more than five seconds is another matter, but they'd at least tell her that.

I thought that Voracious Eaters were just a cover story for that the Org used to hide the true nature of AB's. That is, Clare just assumed the Rabona Yoma was just a wiser and more evolved Yoma, according to the story the Org fed her. (I forget if the Org deliberately fed her the story as misinformation or if Clare came to that conclusion based on the Voracious Eater myth.)

In any case, the first AB that Clare is sent out against is quick to point out that Voracious Eaters are just a lie to cover for the Org. I'm pretty sure that it would not cross her mind that that the Rabona Yoma might have previously been a Claymore. And I think the other assumption is that awakened Claymores would not have any remnants of their previous personality, just that it would be replaced by a snarling beast. This of course, is patently false, as we've seen time-and-again that AB's do retain a good part of their memories and original personality.

I do agree that the general assumption is that you become a run-of-the-mill Yoma after "Awakening."

Anh_Minh

2007-09-21, 11:15

Clare said to the Rabonna officials (and/or to Raki, I forget) that it was a voracious eater.

It's unclear whether she believed in the cover story, or just repeated it.

When she talked with Rubel afterward, he did explain the whole thing, but I think it's more of an as you know (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.AsYouKnow) thing.

Tempest35

2007-09-21, 12:56

That maybe true that she didn't know the term "Awakened Being", but she was surely warned that going over limit will cause losing her humanity. Black cards system worked before Priscilla was recruited so she must have known what to do with Claymores that went over their limit. Also Priscilla mentioned sth like "There was no reason to refrain" meaning that she knew that going over her limit might cause sth unpleasant.
On the other hand....

Hmm, if it was Rubel who told her about that, he would have said something like. "Don't unleash all your powers or something bad might happen."

"Like what?"

"Something really really bad." -smirk-

Do they tell all the new recruits that those who Awaken will be hunted down by their own friends and killed? No, they probably just stick with the 'you'll turn into a Youma' story - it's almost like scaring children with the Boogeyman. The Org isn't known for elaborating things unless they absolutely have to, or if its Rubel.

Kreyco

2007-09-21, 14:18

Hmm, if it was Rubel who told her about that, he would have said something like. "Don't unleash all your powers or something bad might happen."

"Like what?"

"Something really really bad." -smirk-

Do they tell all the new recruits that those who Awaken will be hunted down by their own friends and killed? No, they probably just stick with the 'you'll turn into a Youma' story - it's almost like scaring children with the Boogeyman. The Org isn't known for elaborating things unless they absolutely have to, or if its Rubel.

That comes close to something I was thinking. I am I the only one that thinks the handlers( Orsey, Rubel etc.) are hiding something important? We have heard bits about two of the three major AB powers( Riful and Easley), but nothing on the third. I would almost suspect the Organization to be run by the third. This would explain a lot of their actions. Since they are the ones instigating the fights it would seem natural for the other two to be trying to build their power as well.

Also, Claymores can detect the handlers. How is this possible if they aren't Male Claymores or AB? If they are AB then it would make sense that the whole Organization is head hancho number 3. Just a theory. I have not read the manga so don't spoil it for me if you know!!

DazarGaidin

2007-09-21, 14:26

Well we know that the dwellers of the deep were all #1 claymores, so who was running the org before the third? Also, they are located by region, the org controls the east and the 3rd dweller controls the south...i think riful or isley would mention/know if she moved east and controlled the org in some sort of power struggle with the previous org administration.

Anh_Minh

2007-09-21, 14:41

Also, Claymores can detect the handlers.
They can?

How is this possible if they aren't Male Claymores or AB?
*shrug* Maybe they can detect humans. Maybe humans have an energy signature of their own, rather than an absence of it.

Kreyco

2007-09-21, 14:48

They can?

*shrug* Maybe they can detect humans. Maybe humans have an energy signature of their own, rather than an absence of it.

Clare detected her handler from a distance in the first or second episode, when she and Raki were by the campfire. He didn't make his presence known to the boy, but somehow she knew he was there. When she is given the first AB assignment, she came to him and not the other way around. I find that strange. Also, if humans gave off a different signature, she would never have swung at Raki in episode 1.

Riful

2007-09-21, 14:48

That comes close to something I was thinking. I am I the only one that thinks the handlers( Orsey, Rubel etc.) are hiding something important? We have heard bits about two of the three major AB powers( Riful and Easley), but nothing on the third. I would almost suspect the Organization to be run by the third. This would explain a lot of their actions. Since they are the ones instigating the fights it would seem natural for the other two to be trying to build their power as well.

You gotta read the manga for that I think. I highly doubt the anime will include all that in one episode ^^

I also believe that the org doesn't exactly tell their Claymores that they will become extra powerful super Yomas if they go over their limits ... they probably keep it at "Yoma" only. Remember that Claymore training is hard and they never enter the org out of their own free will ... quite a few of them must not like the org all that much. It is dangerous for the organization to tell them too much.

Anh_Minh

2007-09-21, 15:01

Clare detected her handler from a distance in the first or second episode, when she and Raki were by the campfire. He didn't make his presence known to the boy, but somehow she knew he was there.
Clare is a trained warrior, Raki isn't. Maybe she simply noticed Rubel following them, while he didn't. Or he left a discreet sign of his presence meaning "I'm around. Come find me." that Raki just had no way to interpret.

When she is given the first AB assignment, she came to him and not the other way around. I find that strange. Also, if humans gave off a different signature, she would never have swung at Raki in episode 1.

Maybe youma leave their "scent" on those they're around, and it's enough to overpower the human "smell". And maybe the difference is one of degree rather than nature. Humans have a very small youki, youmas have a big one.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-21, 15:02

As for the handlers etc, there could as easily been a message left for clare somewhere/sometime off screen, like 'meet me here at or around this time for further instructions/info' or she left a message for him 'ill meet you here at around this time for instructions'. A message left at the last town, etc..

When she met rubel that one time, she made it sound like she had requested the change of clothes. They might have some form of communication we haven't seen as well.

I don't think they are exactly human though. No clue what they really are. I guess its possible that if they have some yoma in them a claymore could sense them. If they can, the distance is not great. Rubel and raphaela were pretty close when they snuck up on clare..and we all know she is good at sensing yoki.

Kreyco

2007-09-21, 15:28

You gotta read the manga for that I think. I highly doubt the anime will include all that in one episode ^^

I also believe that the org doesn't exactly tell their Claymores that they will become extra powerful super Yomas if they go over their limits ... they probably keep it at "Yoma" only. Remember that Claymore training is hard and they never enter the org out of their own free will ... quite a few of them must not like the org all that much. It is dangerous for the organization to tell them too much.

Clare joined of free will. She may be an exception, but it seemed like a few of the Claymores had revenge on their mind( the one that recognized the Silver-Eyed Lion King, for instance). Don't forget Ophelia either. Not a lot of background on most of the Claymores, and it is very probable many may not have joined if they understood what being a Claymore really ment in the long run. The Organization definately has good reason not to reveal many things, but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't educate the Claymores after their "basic training." Risk is a dangerous business when it comes to awakening beings that could be the plague that wipes humanity off the map. Of course, maybe the Org. leader is reallly #3 and just wants a monoploy on the food industry :uhoh:. That's a creepy thought.