Claymore - Episode 26 (END) Discussion / Poll [Archive]

Pellissier

2007-09-25, 10:59

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Icephere

2007-09-25, 11:00

All I gotta say is...

SCREENCAPS! :D

Been waiting forever for this last episode!<3

Kankel

2007-09-25, 11:14

FINAL BATTLE!!! Please place your bets now and enjoy the fight! :p

PGilis

2007-09-25, 11:44

It's pretty obvious who will win... RAKI!! :p

Seeing Clare being defeated, he will GUTS-Mode on everybody. He will save the day defeating Priscilla, bitchslapping Easley and making all the Fab-Five his new harem!! :heh:

Ah, and don't worry. He has special plans to all those Claymores in Pietta, too... ;)

Icephere

2007-09-25, 12:00

Sigh I envy the people living in Japan...always the first to see xD

I would like to find out if Clare's almost awakened form is of any match to Priscilla...

X_Danny_X

2007-09-25, 12:02

i think Jean,Raki, and Clare will combine forces to defeat Priscilla.

Samygent

2007-09-25, 12:02

raki die and clare change into SS1

hollywoodlou

2007-09-25, 12:31

Icephere

2007-09-25, 12:35

First, I'd like to thank Eclipse for those quality subs...and thanks to Madhouse as well for one of the best anime I've seen in years. Their animation is freakin amazing. Regardless of their shortcomings from eps 18 onwards, they deserve the props.

If Madhouse had not animated Claymore, I would have never come across such a good manga such as Claymore. I can't believe I hadn't come across it and it was on going for 6 years! =(

hollywoodlou

2007-09-25, 12:38

If Madhouse had not animated Claymore, I would have never come across such a good manga such as Claymore. I can't believe I hadn't come across it and it was on going for 6 years! =(

A # of people feel the same way...

Still the best anime around...damn, I'm feeling nostalgic that this is the end.

Riful

2007-09-25, 12:42

I agree. It gave the manga a lot of spotlight.

Still the best anime around...

seriously? even in the same season Seirei no Moribito was way better, animation and story :D

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 12:45

I didn't like seirei moribito. Dont like the character design. The story seems too bland. Claymore and Kenichi were about the only anime I anticipated for the next episode this season. Thought this anime season was not that good. Well maybe seto as well since it got a lot funnier near the end.

hollywoodlou

2007-09-25, 12:46

I agree. It gave the manga a lot of spotlight.

seriously? even in the same season Seirei no Moribito was way better, animation and story :D

Really? I fell asleep @ episode 1. Shigurui trumps it by a mile...

Kerin

2007-09-25, 12:48

Now where is defilled guy with screenies *screams* :heh:

Mentar

2007-09-25, 12:49

It didn't air yet. Baseball delay by 2 hours.

Icephere

2007-09-25, 12:50

Now where is defilled guy with screenies *screams* :heh:

It is gonna take long like before..Gotta hold down my horses!

Guess we will have to rely on Wrex's blog :)

It didn't air yet. Baseball delay by 2 hours.

ROFL...LETS hope it doesnt get delayed by another day

Riful

2007-09-25, 12:51

Sassarai: Seirei has anything but a bland story line that is for sure.

Well, it's a matter of interest, Seirei starts out slowly. But the fighting scenes were animated way better than in Claymore. Claymore would have been so awesome with scenes like that :love:

But Claymore is nowhere near my favorite anime, unfortunately ...

My bet for the end: it will be an open one after all, they finish the main storyline, but leave all the others open. and Jean will die for sure, already last episode destroyed all possibilities for her survival with all her wounds T.T Even if she'd survive the fight, she could never heal herself

Seska

2007-09-25, 12:54

First...

Yeash, only first page and offtopic :)

second...

I wanna say thanks to all, for their postings in the full length of this Anime. Your postings was the "Blood" to keep this forum alive, and other members :)

I hope i was getting not to much on the nerves. But i was trying to prevent Spoilers. So that Anime only viewers could enjoy this kind of Anime without fear to gets spoiled trough Manga spoilers...

There where no mean, to it. No hard feelings. I was just trying to prevent spoilers...

Hope everybody understands it...

And please don't talk about the Manga. The Anime ends here with this episode. (Well i don't know of OAVs or something right now)

Please let try, even if its the last one, to keep this here Spoiler free. For the future viewers, that will follow us...

Thank you for your effort...

it was nice to be part of here... We see us around. I will stay here a bit longer. I found friends...

Mfg,
Seska

p.s. Mfg= Mit freundlichen grüssen = With nicely regrets

Mentar

2007-09-25, 12:56

It comforts me that I'm not the only one who absolutely couldn't warm up to Seirei. It bored the heck out of me, and - sorry - I just couldn't connect to the female lead. No matter how much so many other folks seemed to love it.

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-09-25, 12:58

It didn't air yet. Baseball delay by 2 hours.

In before Kona-chan ranting against baseball and re-programming VCR :D

I wonder why can't they have sport events on dedicated pay-tv... :(

khryoleoz

2007-09-25, 12:59

Yeah I agree w/Riful about Claymore. It was very strong up until the writing started getting weak, which coincidentally had been the point of divergence from the source material. Brand me biased if you will, but colored my lens be I can still distinguish between good and bad writing.

I haven't seen Seirei no Moribito yet, and I don't know whether I'll get to with the state that Geneon is in, but I have all the faith in the directorial staff behind GITS SAC. Hopefully, I get to see it.

Now, onto those screen caps and summary until tomorrow shall we?

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 12:59

Yea it was definitely animated better then claymore for sure. Claymore fight scenes barely even have movement but the thing that made them great is what clare does in the clutch. Im not really a fan of that type of realistic drawing style. The type where they actually draw big lips and stuff. I watched almost 20 eps of seirei and it just has enough to keep my interest to continue but thats about it.

Did you read the manga of claymore before you watched the anime? or watched a couple of eps then decide to read the manga? When I saw like the first 5-6 eps of death note I thought it was one of the best anime ever but then after I read the manga I already knew everything that was going to happen already and I just skimmed through the rest of the anime. It totally ruined the anime for me. Can people really enjoy anime if they already know pretty much what's going to happen? Can they enjoy it after they have already read the manga ? I know I cant. lol even watching nodame live action after that I couldnt even watch the anime anymore.

Seska

2007-09-25, 13:03

When I saw like the first 5-6 eps of death note I thought it was one of the best anime ever but then after I read the manga I already knew everything what was going to happen already and I just skimmed through the rest of the anime. It totally ruined the anime for me. Can people really enjoy anime if they already know pretty much what's going to happen? Can they enjoy it after they have already read the manga ?

Long Question, short Answer from me. Yes :)

If you can separate them, it is no problem. Seen the things that only earlier was in your Mind, see now animated with your eyes. For the first part, your need your fantasy. but, for the second part, it can crush your fantasy... :)

Its your choice, how you take it.

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 13:04

lol I can enjoy manga after I watched the anime if I just think of the manga as giving me bonus information that the anime didnt show me or seeing how some scenes are different. lol it doesnt work vice versa for me though lol.

khryoleoz

2007-09-25, 13:06

Can people really enjoy anime if they already know pretty much what's going to happen? Can they enjoy it after they have already read the manga ? I know I cant. lol even watching nodame live action after that I couldnt even watch the anime anymore.

Yes. Even if it follows the manga events precisely, anime can really bring the adaption the life that manga would otherwise lack. Characters have distinct and expressive voices, moods are enhanced by the music, the impact of scenes made stronger by the soundtrack, and action movements given a better sense of temporal flow and contrast. So it is an extension of reading the manga, only engaging the senses in a much more manifold way than would mere page turning can ever allow.

hollywoodlou

2007-09-25, 13:07

Did you read the manga of claymore before you watched the anime? or watched a couple of eps then decide to read the manga? When I saw like the first 5-6 eps of death note I thought it was one of the best anime ever but then after I read the manga I already knew everything that was going to happen already and I just skimmed through the rest of the anime. It totally ruined the anime for me. Can people really enjoy anime if they already know pretty much what's going to happen? Can they enjoy it after they have already read the manga ?

I;'ve read the manga BUT I will give MH some props for this...remember when Helen was having her "emotional scenes" with Clare asking her to cut off her head? Reading the manga, you can ONLY imagine what Helen's going through BUT the anime actually SHOWED her emotions visually, sounds and all. Hard to achieve that display of emotion with a drawing.

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 13:10

Yes. Even if it follows the manga events precisely, anime can really bring the adaption the life it would otherwise lack. Characters have distinct and expressive voices, moods are enhanced by the music, the impact of scenes made stronger by the soundtrack, and action movements given a better sense of temporal flow and contrast. So it is an extension of reading the manga, only engaging the senses much more manifold than would mere page turning can ever allow.

lol I guess its just only me then that's why I didnt read claymore till it was almost over and when I did read it I didnt go past the anime. Its like if I knew teresas head was going to get chopped off no matter how they pull it off it wouldnt be quite the same as if I was watching it for the first time OMFG NO WAY!!! type of reaction. So you can probably still enjoy it but I just think it loses a lot of its glitter at least IMO.

Seska

2007-09-25, 13:10

..and everybody was curious about the "Voice" of Flora.... And how the impact was it here :)

as example...

khryoleoz

2007-09-25, 13:15

Beginning with ep 5, Teresa's introduction, I picked up all 6 volumes of the Viz edition and read them in one sitting. So I knew of Teresa's fate before ep 8. One can also appreciate seeing how things are executed, even though he is informed of events before hand. In fact, my favorite kind plotting is the one where we know the end in the beginning, and the journey is getting there. Madhouse had a decision to make and whatever it is they choose wouldn't please everybody. I happen to think that they made the wrong choice, which made room for bad writing.

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 13:22

How would you of liked to see it end Khryoleoz? I thought this was the best route to go if they didn't plan on making a second season.

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 13:28

..and everybody was curious about the "Voice" of Flora.... And how the impact was it here :)

as example...

I have no idea why so many fans were disappointed at her voice. I thought her speech pattern was suppose to be very polite so a soft voice wouldnt be too bad. Although it may of been too soft but nevertheless it wasnt that big of a deal.

Seska

2007-09-25, 13:32

I have no idea why so many fans were disappointed at her voice. I thought her speech pattern was suppose to be very polite so a soft voice wouldnt be too bad. Although it may of been too soft but nevertheless it wasnt that big of a deal.

nah, it was an example from me, how Fantasy/Imagine things, can be crushed from seeing/real things... Manga vs. Anime

Riful

2007-09-25, 13:32

I have no idea why so many fans were disappointed at her voice. I thought her speech pattern was suppose to be very polite so a soft voice wouldnt be too bad. Although it may of been too soft but nevertheless it wasnt that big of a deal.

her voice was supposed to be soft, but not necessarily high anime girl tone. Imagine Mamiko Noto f.ex. very soft voice but not as high. Some also thought it was too young sounding.

I dunno why but the manga simply had more effect on me than the anime, even without voices and colors, the images were powerful enough and the paneling was well done. It had more of an effect than the same scenes in anime (and I saw some of them before reading the manga). Not to mention the faces are so much more beautiful. But unfortunately you can never know at the beginning which version is the better one for you (sometimes anime is better, sometimes manga etc.) :heh:

Seska

2007-09-25, 13:36

I dunno why but the manga simply had more effect on me than the anime, even without voices and colors, the images were powerful enough and the paneling was well done.

Manga:

The bound is deeper.
The Char has your imagine voice (even if there are only text).

Anime:

You cannot controll anything.
You can only view and be curious. You cannot overjump pages to know the ending :)

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 13:52

:Dher voice was supposed to be soft, but not necessarily high anime girl tone. Imagine Mamiko Noto f.ex. very soft voice but not as high. Some also thought it was too young sounding.

I dunno why but the manga simply had more effect on me than the anime, even without voices and colors, the images were powerful enough and the paneling was well done. It had more of an effect than the same scenes in anime (and I saw some of them before reading the manga). Not to mention the faces are so much more beautiful. But unfortunately you can never know at the beginning which version is the better one for you (sometimes anime is better, sometimes manga etc.) :heh:

Well floras voice grew on me and also she doesn't even have that many lines lol. She gets pwn too quickly.

Maybe youre the type that suffers from having a powerful imagination so you dont need the anime. /laugh I love seeing the way claymore is animated. The ending theme Guilty sky + the way they drew clare looking up with all the claymore swords surrounding her and the red petals flying through the sky. Its just soooooooooo good. I dont have that type of imagination.

Mentar

2007-09-25, 14:06

Okay, we're done. Do NOT click on the spoiler button unless you REALLY want to know. It doesn't get any more spoilerish than this.

My only comment so far will be that my worst fears were realized, and then topped. Maximum damage and then some. If you STILL need to know, click on.
Quick bullet list of results:

o Big fight. Clare awakens some more. Clare wins.
o Wounded human-again Priscilla kneels helplessly on the ground
o Clare with raised sword about to kill her, in a rehash of the Teresa-scene
o Raki dashes in for a big "nooooo"
o Clare obediently doesn't
o Jean comes in to be impaled, then dies while drawing back Clare
o Teary scene, Easley carries off the still-alive-and-completely-forgotten Priscilla
o Miria/Helen/Deneve move on with happy faces
o Aww so sad Clare buries Jean, then moves off with Raki smiling in the sunset.

The end.

WTF? I couldn't come up with a less-Claymore ending if I ever tried. Bah.

Ronny

2007-09-25, 14:07

And it has aired:

First Raki tried to save Clare (well not really, read Mentar's post for actual details):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190745564303ba75.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11907455976044a01.jpg

But Jean was all "Move it bitch, that's my part" and:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190745748414a48b.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/119074580328133d1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190745929894fc04.jpg

Nobody else died.

Isley & Priscilla happy end:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190745968247fa23.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190746260333ecfb.jpg

Galatea, Miria, Deneve and Helen happy end:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190746275484cffc.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11907461704044cc5.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190746287422869b.jpg

Clare, Teresa and Raki happy end:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11907463307949a14.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190746312478bde1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11907463453834546.jpg

Squawks

2007-09-25, 14:10

This is madness.

Though, the pictures look good, it's just that I can't stand endings like this in a type of show like Claymore.

cors8

2007-09-25, 14:12

If this is how it really ended, my hate for the anime has grown dramatically. Seriously, are you kidding me?

Kankel

2007-09-25, 14:14

Well that does it. They need to do a second season and it's obvious.I won't be satisfied with such a happy ending especially in a series such as this.

That kind of ending makes me sick to my stomach. really!

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 14:15

lol hope raw comes out soon. Last time the sub came out faster then the raw.

Sakuya

2007-09-25, 14:18

Ronny

2007-09-25, 14:19

lol hope raw comes out soon. Last time the sub came out faster then the raw.

That's quite an accomplishment, sub before raw XD

Anywho, is the ending really that surprising? I mean, I personally expected Priscilla to die, even though that would have been lame considering her power. Possibly Miria, Helen or Deneve as well. However, Jean saving Clare and Clare then happily running off with Raki is no surprise at all. Still find it, at most, only a mediocre ending for such a series, but it's not unexpected in my opinion.

Kankel

2007-09-25, 14:21

And Priscilla gets away with murder.Feels different when the bad guys win.:p

Oh God! I think I'm gonna throw up.:twitch:

Icephere

2007-09-25, 14:22

A HAPPY ENDING ?!WHO WOULD HAVE EVER THOUGHT THAT???

I bet our possible ideas for the ending beats theirs by a huge margin..Seriously, why such a pathetic ending?For me,this is the first anime in such a long time that "actually has a happy ending.."

I'm surprised and very disappointed...indeed

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-25, 14:23

Wow, my prediction turned out to be correct. Pat myself in the back. Ahahahahahaha! But of course after watching like 10 plus eps, my earlier conclusion is bit too dramatic then I realised that MH want to make Claymore more suitable for mainstream audience so, I modified slightly. Turned out to be my second prediction hit the bullseye.

And finally we do see adult Claire smile after being the female Terminator mode for so long.

My comment? Well, 1 - 19 has great story but 20 - 26 is bit iffy and weak. I would still buy the DVD of course.

Defiled one

2007-09-25, 14:24

In the end...it doesn´t even matter. I try soo hard and..."Sings"

Credits:
I would like to thank
Eclipse
Jean
Yagi
Voice actor/actress
My weird nightmares ;_; Oh god...
Priscilla
Teresa
Manly Raki!!
Pencil and Paper
Colors too
Youma
Handy-kun!!
coffe
lots of coffe
Claymores in general
Riful and Duph
Easley
Loli Priscilla
Ghost of headless Teresa

And to all the children in the world.

A Clare is fine too...

Oh yes!! I forgot somthing...I TOLD YOU SOOOO :naughty: Only those of the manga forum will get it about my stand.

Kankel

2007-09-25, 14:26

Remember people:

To Err is human, To forgive is Divine!

Icephere

2007-09-25, 14:26

Wow, the art is really good this episode! As for the ending:

Why so happy? :uhoh: Especially for Isley and Priscilla. It seriously feels like they tried to rush to an ending just to give it one, tying up as much as they could such as Priscilla and Raki.

Yeah, I totally agree. Why are these two happy anyway?Priscilla is beaten up so bad or is Madhouse trying to say that she lost her sanity completely that she became much worse?

Also on a note

The fact that Clare is able to beat Priscilla is amazing imo.That fact can show how much powerful is Teresa if she were to ever go in awakened form, and remember, Clare has Teresa's blood in her

Seska

2007-09-25, 14:29

hehehe, perhaps they was afraid to spoil the Manga ending... :) Well of course this is here a joke. But with the actually end of Anime. Well i can live with it... But what will happen, if Pricilla suddenly "remembers" again? And what use is pricilla now for Isley?. Have she still her Trauma? is her mind still in confuss situation? Why they don't kill the "youma"? She still need to eat, Guts... But i bet now. Isley willbe some kind of Onii-san or father for her...

Well, you see. there are lot of open ends now...

have they anything show in the end? some "surprising" news? or what next anime, will fill the slot?...

Icephere

2007-09-25, 14:33

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-25, 14:33

Yeah, I totally agree. Why are these two happy anyway?Priscilla is beaten up so bad or is Madhouse trying to say that she lost her sanity completely that she became much worse?

My opinion is that story writer decided that Prisciliia is misunderstood and misguided villianess that did not deserve to die by vengeance since she not in sound mental faculties when she did the bad things. She is just following orders to the dot and paid the price for it.

Hence Claire decided not to kill her in the end of anime, mimicking Theresa's decision to deliver the coup de grace on Claymore Prisciliia in episode 8.

Seska

2007-09-25, 14:37

[QUOTE=Ronny;1165224]And it has aired:

Galatea, Miria
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/1190746275484cffc.jpg
Gimme your heart!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v285/RVB18/11907461704044cc5.jpg
Hohoho, i am Captain Hoo...Miria.

Oh, the faces of Galatea, Miria.. The angel of Smiles... Wallpapers.. i demand Wallpapers with other background of course :)

Fenrir_valindri

2007-09-25, 14:37

Wow, I must admit, this ending was almost as bad as what I imagined.

So Clare defeats Priscilla without even awakening. (That just does not make sense)
Raki doesnt die. (Anime Raki really really deserves death)
Jean STILL dies. (Oh come on, you could at least give me a little bit of happiness)
Happy ending?!!!?? (I mean seriously, wtf?)
All the plot holes are left gaping WIDE open. (Not suprising)
and the worst atrocity of it all, no Seven Ghosts?! (No pony-tail Miria in leather) :upset:
One of the most unclimatic endings I have seen in a long time.
The cliff-hanger ending would have been better by far.

I am thankful Madhouse produced this Anime, and they did great till the last 4-5 episodes, but man, they REALLY made it go downhill these past few episodes.

Snait3

2007-09-25, 14:38

I'm disappointed :(

Seska

2007-09-25, 14:41

Please, don't go over then Fab4 ... Onegai..

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-25, 14:42

Well, Madhouse did want to do closure on the story. But as someone said, the plot holes are too big to ignore and the most pertinent question remains is:

What about the sinister Organization, which obviously the real villain of the story?

Ah well, manga is restart in November. There is always manga.

Icephere

2007-09-25, 14:43

Miria and Galatea look really nice..

Plus, can someone post a really good picture of Clare awakening in this episode? I wanna have a good view :D

Fenrir_valindri

2007-09-25, 14:44

Teresa/Clare1415

2007-09-25, 14:47

Wow. A happy ending? :confused:

Xellos-_^

2007-09-25, 14:48

As with everyone else, I like to thank Mentar and the rest of the fansubbing stff for thier excellent and quick work.

As for the anime itself, it is a mix bag. I like how close tot he manga they were in the beginning and i didn't mind the lack of animation too much. Didn't like how the series, really wanted a cliffhanger ending but oh well.

I thought the director did a pretty good job despite the ending. Especially considering this is his first time as the Director. He might not have as much say in how the story board went.

I grade Claymore a Solid B.

Icephere

2007-09-25, 14:55

Well, the ending is sort of abrupt here. I haven't watched the episode personally so I can't say much, except that by using some commonsense, there is suppose to be no room for a happy ending..

There should have been a mystery or a serious issue to exist at the the end of the episode. Dedicating 30 seconds of that episode for a mystery would have been WAAAAAAAAAAAAY much better than a 5 minute total of Raki crying his tears out. Seriously, we get the message that he is a cry baby..

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 14:56

ewwww not that type. I hate berserk ending. Turned out to be a hentai then "THE END"

khryoleoz

2007-09-25, 14:57

So Clare defeats Priscilla without even awakening. (That just does not make sense)

I was hoping for Clare to defeat Priscilla doing no more than just changing her eye color as her predecessor would have done. But Madhouse goofed up the writing long before the inevitable conclusion that we got.

ewwww not that type. I hate berserk ending. Turned out to be a hentai then "THE END"

LOL!

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-25, 14:57

That's easy. Up on a cliff are Isley, Priscilla and Raki. Priscilla in tears says six lights remain. Another goes out. Then three. Then two. Then one. Finally, all the lights go out.

Skip seven years into the future...see the pattern?

Another fascinating show where this guy wielded a sword bigger than his own frame inocculated me to an abrupt and unresolved ending a long time ago.

That kind ending will make more people howling and pissed since it is a hanging ending. Not many people like a hanging ending.

UPR

2007-09-25, 14:57

I like the ending. A good end to a good series. There could be the possibilty for a 2nd season, but if there is not I can live with this. We all know there have been much worse endings out there.

Seska

2007-09-25, 14:58

WAAAAAAAAAAAAY much better than a 5 minute total of Raki crying his tears out. Seriously, we get the message that he is a cry baby..

Well, he can only risk his live for her, as a Human. He recalls Clare's feelings back... He done all what he could with his Human force...

He is no Crybaby. Other ones would piss his pants, or run away :)

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 15:00

That kind ending will make more people howling and pissed since it is a hanging ending. Not many people like a hanging ending.

yea I think those are the worst type of endings unless they plan on making another season. Gotta give it some kind of closure. Reminds me of how kaze no stigma just ended recently I give it a 3 blah . If claymore manga only had a good arc to end it at then it would be good. Like how Bleach anime could of just ended at the first arc then throw that crappy bount arc away.

khryoleoz

2007-09-25, 15:02

That kind ending will make more people howling and pissed since it is a hanging ending. Not many people like a hanging ending.

Maybe, but it was that kind of ending that Dark Horse/DMP continues to get my money.

Fenrir_valindri

2007-09-25, 15:05

Still say Cliff-hanger ending with OVA continuation (like Genshiken) would have been best.

I would have prefered the unresolved cliff-hanger ending over this tbh, can't see how people are satisfied with a completely OOC happy ending.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-25, 15:07

Hanging ending in manga is more acceptable but anime version of hanging ending will make most fans stand up and ready to lynch the director with bayonets. Most anime fan's pet peeves of anime medium are always sucky hanging endings. In case of Claymore, I wished Madhouse wait for 6 years for manga to finish then make an anime adaptation of it.

A story focused anime like Claymore demands for a closure, like it or not. Genshiken, a slice-of-life anime can afford a hanging ending because of the nature of story.

Seska

2007-09-25, 15:09

i only say.... "Nice Boat!".. Happy that don't happened to us :)

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 15:10

Sakuya

2007-09-25, 15:10

Does anyone know what happened to the other Claymores sent on this mission? I guess my only reason for griping about Isley and Priscilla is that Isley seemed to have some sort of plan with gathering all the Awakened Beings. But all seems to have been forgotten by the end of this episode. I don't even think we're told what purpose he did that. :heh:

IMO I think it's still plausible for a second season in the future. I know the ending is different from where the manga left off but with a few original episodes patching things up, they could still continue onto the manga route afterward. Plus, they could always make OVAs that "remake" these last few episodes and then have a new TV season following the manga. That would be awesome. :eyespin:

Seska

2007-09-25, 15:11

He send the AB Army home....

IMSabbel

2007-09-25, 15:13

The fact that Clare is able to beat Priscilla is amazing imo.That fact can show how much powerful is Teresa if she were to ever go in awakened form, and remember, Clare has Teresa's blood in her

Nah, it just shows how much they had to rape the characters to make them fit into that end.

In reality, at that point clare might be able to hurt pris, all limbs awakened, but not injur her, and certainly not beat her.

And for the ending:

Yeah great. Happy ending, with one one of the lords of the abyss and his pet riding into the sunset. They are just genocidal murder machines. But yeah, seing that clare is suddenly 100% über, i guess there is no dangers from that kind anymore...

Tempest35

2007-09-25, 15:17

Will it help if everyone will consider this an AU anime diversion then? *chuckle*

khryoleoz

2007-09-25, 15:18

Sure it's plausible, but only because they left so many loose ends. But heck if I know how they'll integrate the divergent events with where we are in the source material, or whether they'll even do that if not make up some completely different and out-of-context plot.

If they try to integrate, one problem I think they'll have is that they'd have to re-establish Isley's original mission under a different context, as he knows that there is one who by being greater than his master is therefore greater than any of the AOs he planned on dispatching. It'll be a mess.

Defiled one

2007-09-25, 15:25

Will it help if everyone will consider this an AU anime diversion then? *chuckle*

I am kinda of happy. Now i can tell all the things the manga had to the anime fans.

Just kidding, seriously, manga is really different from the anime. Clare is more.....I don´t know:rolleyes: Evil?

You know where who can talk about the manga. meet you there.

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-25, 15:32

you would be close to 40 by then stormy! you sure you want to wait that long! lol I think they should of waited till the manga has a bit more material and a better place to end it. If I were to choose between a bad cliff hanger vs a made up ending I would choose the made up one if they do a good job at it. Like Elfen lied and unlike berserk.

Hey man, you talking to a guy who patiently reading Yokohama Kaidaishi Kikou, arguably slowest moving story ever made into manga or been following Evangelion manga for almost 10 years. So I am a very patient guy. So what is 6 years? Nothing to me. Manga is meant to be enjoyed slowly like a good wine, one sip at the time.

My motto is, a patient hunter always gets his prey. :cool:

Weird D

2007-09-25, 15:36

Ah well, manga is restart in November. There is always manga.

At least there will be once they stop stalling with the fillers.
Then again, maybe seeing how the story got screwed up will prompt them to return to the main plot sooner.

Claymore can be summarized as an anime that had all the qualities to be great from the start and got fucked up in the last episodes due to lack of time and budget. I was doomed the moment they knew they could not make a second season.

I have yet to decide whether to shoot myself or Madhouse.:confused:

Negativedark

2007-09-25, 15:59

Remember people:

To Err is human, To forgive is Divine!

Guess I'm just a wrathful god then. Cause this sounds to be almost as bad as the ending to Evangelion.

Tempest35

2007-09-25, 16:02

Hey man, you talking to a guy who patiently reading Yokohama Kaidaishi Kikou, arguably slowest moving story ever made into manga or been following Evangelion manga for almost 10 years. So I am a very patient guy. So what is 6 years? Nothing to me. Manga is meant to be enjoyed slowly like a good wine, one sip at the time.

My motto is, a patient hunter always gets his prey. :cool:

You are quite unlike Simba then. :D

As for time and budget, I doubt that Madhouse has that problem seeing as they did Black Lagoon the year before and Devil May Cry this year as well at the same time. Madhouse gets them done fast and makes them look really pretty/stylish. They are NOT spending money on plots especially since they seem to specialize in unfinished manga stories. Can they do better in making up closure to unfinished stories? Probably.
And I doubt if ANY ending is as bad as Evangelion's...but people still buy it...XDDD

hamstar

2007-09-25, 16:25

I have yet to see this but from testimony of people that have spoiled it for me I can say that this is trash.

Not only is it a WEAK ending the main issue is NOT RESOLVED AT ALL.

W T F were they thinking? NO WAIT, they WERENT THINKING! Morons.

If this series was even half as popular as gundam seed destiny (trash) they would re-do the final episode again.

Man, im so disappointed right now.

TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAASHHHHHHHH

*wrecks forum*

Seska

2007-09-25, 16:40

Ladies and gentleman.. Wrex's pictures are on line now...

Majek

2007-09-25, 16:48

I love this ending. It's so bad that it's actually great. Great entertainment o.ob

tritoch

2007-09-25, 16:51

Actually, they could have pulled it off.. Raki SHOULD have come with Priscilla/Easley after stopping Clare.

Then they wouldn't have deviated that much from the manga.

Seska

2007-09-25, 16:53

iTs hard, Raki is still a key person for Clare. He MUST be around for saving her... The Bond between these two, is the "Red Line" that Clare has for her Human side... and why she is fighting for... okay for revenge, too....

HinaThePrince

2007-09-25, 17:54

Someone should set fire to Madhouse's studio.

Seriously. That ending is so horrific. I have no words. ):

B-day

2007-09-25, 18:09

superzombie23

2007-09-25, 19:19

I knew it... Jean would do her thing. They would never leave something that good out. I've only seen it from the screen caps so far.

UPR

2007-09-25, 20:20

What do you mean "Red Line", please explain.

I think like a alarm. It's like saying you are getting to close to the edge time to pull back. Think of Raki's crying as Clare's sign it's time to stop.

redmeat

2007-09-25, 20:24

Well, at least it does hang as bad as some other anime :D

Kankel

2007-09-25, 21:28

For those that do care to download it. The RAW is out!! again only for those that do want it.:p

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 22:41

Man the ep was good but I think it would of been better if Prisicilla tried to sneak attack clare but failed and clare chops off her head. Dont like the fact pris is alive :(

I think madhouse tried the best they could to keep a lot of the manga material in the anime as much as possible even though they had to end it differently to give it more resolve(even though a lot of it is still unresovled but it was better then to just leave it in the northern arc unless they were planning to make another season but with this ending I highly doubt it. Plus no manga material.

Anyways for those that want the story to go on they can read the manga. Even though with its faults imo claymore is still the best anime of the season.

LOL i think raki haters going to HATE the ending.

khryoleoz

2007-09-25, 22:58

Keeping Priscilla alive wasn't so bad. She'll have to live with the consequences of what she'd allowed herself to become and the things she'd done to get there. Should she get go on a rampage and need to be dealt with again, she knows there's someone who can put her in her place. It would be a strong deterent. She's scared $h!+less of Teresa after all. Rather than making calls about this ending, I'll reserve my critisicm for the path that they took which inevitably led to it.

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 23:08

No she needs to die for what she did to teresa that cheap shot artist :( Besides letting yomas/abs live is totally wrong since they will kill humans because of their yummy guts unless you sympathize with yomas i dunno

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-25, 23:13

In first place, it is hard to pin all bad things on Priscillia alone. The Organization is the one that should be held accountable for that.

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 23:17

yea but that doesnt change the fact she eats human guts. Why cant it be like busou renkin send all of them up to the moon. just kidding

Newguy

2007-09-25, 23:19

Priscilla should've killed Clare ;_;

Icephere

2007-09-25, 23:21

Hmm so I saw the episode. I like it overall despite it being a happy ending..
However, it clearly looked like Madhouse did it in a hurry. The way the fight ended was a little abrupt. I will give it a plus though for the way Priscilla reacted when she got wtfpwned again xD

Sassarai

2007-09-25, 23:29

lol i thought it was pretty typical of every claymore fight. Short , a lot of sword flashing,and Clare comes through in the clutch again! I prefer these type of battles over the loads of episodes explainning every single move they do after they finish type though (narutoish).

Joachim

2007-09-25, 23:35

well this is it, end of claymore *sob, though i didn't really like the ending, i dont hate it, well its not bad but its not good either, mediocre at best.

The only complain of mine is.. can they do better battle sequence?.. gee even KyoAni Air battle (during old era), FMP, naruto battle sequence is way smoother than this... now2 dont call me airhead or narutard or anything else, just watch and compare. cheers guys

DarkSide Hero

2007-09-26, 00:35

7 out of 10 because the animation was good.

What a really shitty ending, why not follow the manga if they were going to leave it open for another season like that? now none of the new manga chapters can be used as reference its all fucked.

GundamZZ

2007-09-26, 01:12

I would like to say.

GOOD JOB!

The ending is expected, but it is still decent.

As the best fallen Claymore, Priscilla can cause the destruction with the ecological scale. Not just some lava flowing. Nevertheless, the fight is still intense.

I guess the they tune down the emotional part because the story was broken apart.

In the manga, Clare asks Helen to kill her. Jean steps right in to stop her.

I was guessing Priscilla would suffer similar fate as Ophelia: seeing her own image and realizing the truth. It doesn't happen. Oh well.

Panzerklein

2007-09-26, 01:13

Damn ending :frustrated:. My happy ending is Priscilla and Isley must die with their crime in the past. If they still alive, they will never change and provoke new war again.

I hope Mad house will make S2 with story is fab 4+Galatea fight againts Org with their true evil plan :heh:.

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 01:23

I hope Mad house will make S2 with story is fab 4+Galatea fight againts Org with their true evil plan :heh:.

Sounds as bad as Bleach's bount arc.

Ablle

2007-09-26, 01:26

Westlo

2007-09-26, 01:26

*looks left, right, up and down*

The Madhouse Claymore anime ending has left me in despair!!!!!

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 01:30

hmm what can i say. It was nice but i was left with wanting alittle something more. I havent read the manga so not sure what goes on after this but im a romance freak ans i was am still im hoping for alittle bit of romance to blossom somewhere raki seem childish to mme but clare could change that.

Only romance ill permit is Yuri. Noooooooooooooooooo rakiiiiiiiieeeeee

oh and there goes pp666ty with is infamous painful vote throughout the whole series!

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-26, 02:04

This episode has excellent camerawork and action. No complaints from me here. DVD, here I cometh!!!!!!

FullMetalKid

2007-09-26, 02:13

This last ep was by far the worse. Again i can say that even w/o reading the manga, the last few eps looked like some kids put a play together. As for the anime it is for the most part good to great. I only express that the end is horrible. Unfortunately the anime will be in the top 20 but not 10 or 5. The manga remains top 10 as the storyline still has much to progress. I look forward to the manga in the future. Thanks Madhouse for the anime. Even though it turned out differently from what i expected.

Kodea

2007-09-26, 02:55

Was there any reason for Clare to smile in the end? You may think there wasn't (Priscilla is still alive, Jean is dead), but in fact there was. The concept is deep and seems to be similar to that one of Tetera's when she found her reasons to live-on for Clare. However, Madhouse hasn't accented anything like this at all. And I see why some people are so dissappointed. Claymore anime ended a bit unfocused. Still, it's a beautiful story.

Riful

2007-09-26, 03:32

seriously this is worse than I thought, how dare they make such a clichee standard ending.

Only good thing this episode is of course taken from the manga again, everything added by madhouse is just ... even worse than bad fanfiction.

And the worse, it IS still a cliffhanger ending!! what was the use in ruining the storyline. Ending close to the manga at some point wouldn't really have left anything else open or unresolved.

The whole speech Raki held made no sense at all. He tells Clare how evil YOMA are, but how he doesn't want the remaining people to kill themselves, because of that.

Hello??? Did they somehow forget that Priscilla IS a Yoma??

How can they justify a happy end based on "humans shouldn't kill each other" and forgiveness ... if the main antagonist who is left living is actually no human anymore and will kill another human as soon as tomorrow at lunch time.

Just what were they thinking ...............

Kodea

2007-09-26, 04:13

Just what were they thinking
how dare they make such a clichee standard ending.

Yeah, they should have thinked twice. :) But you've completely missed the dramatic part in this ep... There isn't that much of a clichee.

Riful

2007-09-26, 04:25

Yeah, they should have thinked twice. :) But you've completely missed the dramatic part in this ep... There isn't that much of a clichee.

Rather there isn't that much that is not clichee.

Unfortunately, it wasn't dramatic at all, the fight itself and the resolution of it was so standard and boring.

You knew all the lines the characters were going to say before they even opened their mouth, they were repeated and repeated and repeated all over again. In Claymore itself and in so many other series before it .....

I could be more detailed, but the episode isn't really worth that much of typing.

Whitemoon648

2007-09-26, 04:31

It was a perfect ending. I hope they will make a second season :). I know its going to be a long time but maybe in few years we will have, " Claymore The second Season".

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-26, 04:31

I would say this, Madhouse has done it again. They gave us half ending/half opening in a way just like Gunslinger Girl 3 years ago. I would say they did quite a good job given their decision to give a closure yet at the same time leave some possibility for the future season. Afterall, Gunslinger Girl Season 2 is already in the making after 3 years and I would suspect Claymore might see Season 2 3 - 5 years from now.

All final showdowns are cliched so I don't expect much from this episode. What other ways to make it different? Perhaps most of us grew too cynical? Cliches is always around because it works, like it or not.

And I also can sense Raki haters now puking blood watching his ultimate rescue attempt. Hahahahah.

Jer

2007-09-26, 04:41

It was an abrupt ending indeed but not completely unacceptable.

I was right about Clare and Priscilla surviving till the end and

about Raki and Jean. I didn't predict Jean would die though.

Based on my assumptions.. either MH intend to lead anime viewers to read the manga or they might feed us with some OVAs and possibly another season. There are just too many plot holes left unanswered. Again, they're just assumptions. If MH decide to make another season (screw the budget talk, materials and tv ratings), I'm sure fans will continue to watch Claymore regardless of how the anime has deviated from the manga. Heck, it's Claymore we're talking about afterall. We wouldn't mind drooling for more of Clare and the fab 4.

Then again, with nothing else to look forward to for the weeks and years to come, there's always the manga.

Riful

2007-09-26, 04:44

They gave us half ending/half opening in a way just like Gunslinger Girl 3 years ago. I would say they did quite a good job given their decision to give a closure yet at the same time leave some possibility for the future season.

To me there is nothing of a closure, just because Prissy and Clare fought a bit doesn't make the story any more complete in my eyes. And if they were going with a pseudo-close half open ending anyway, they didn't have to put in their bad writing.

All final showdowns are cliched so I don't expect much from this episode. What other ways to make it different? Perhaps most of us grew too cynical? Cliches is always around because it works, like it or not.

Obviously doesn't work for me and quite a few other people that dropped the show because of it. v.v

It's just sad, because it could have been sooo much better, it's a shame and a waste of a good storyline.

Whitemoon648

2007-09-26, 04:47

Hey i was wondering why no one was curious about How Isley Knew raki. None of the Claymores raised that question.

they all probably survived thanks to Raki. Since he knew Raki and knew Raki was friend with them, he decided to let them go.

P.S. Clare Rocks.

Meatrose

2007-09-26, 06:01

They clearly did a huge mistake when they decided to stray from the path set by the mangaka. I guess they probably did so since a second season would have to wait a LONG time, and "fans" tend to hate studios that serve them cliffhanger endings... for some reason. I personally love cliffhangers. It would be cruel to end the show with a cliffhanger without attempting to finish it all off in the future though, but I would have LOVED it if they only stayed true to the manga - finished the season the way most of us wished for, only to announce that the animé will continue in four years or so. I wouldn't have any kind of problem with that, and it would STILL result in the manga selling more copies.

What do I wish for? Well... I wish that they actually produce a second season. You know... they could use a couple of episodes to "repair" the storyline, and after the show has been completed, they could release an "ultimate edition box" containing both seasons with the ending of season 1 and the beginning of season 2 edited so that the show follows the manga... all the way to the end. I know that it's probably not going to happen, but let's face it; most of us would sooo buy that box. ^^

Edit: Either that or an OVA with an "alternate retelling" of the ending of season 1 that sets us up for the "true" storyline to continue. Not going to happen though. http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.global/smilies/heh.gif

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-26, 06:23

You need money to make any moneys and OVAs generally cost a lot more money and very hard to recoup back the investments. So I don't think Madhouse or any anime studios would want to do it unless it is overwhelmingly a very popular anime. And I don't see any mistakes in deviating from manga story, only mistake they did is they do it too late. They should have modify the story from the beginning so the ending arc do not look so rushed and tacked on.

Plus, the manga material is not enough for Season 2 anytime soon. Perhaps in 3-5 years time later from now, then there is realistic chance of Season 2 for Claymore.

I can see why and applaud Madhouse decision to give a closure of some sorts and leave some openings for possible sequel. Afterall, Claire main issue is her attachment to her past which is Theresa and ending meant to conclude that impasse she has.

Godly_senselessness

2007-09-26, 07:10

I am more than a little sad that this great series has come to an end.I am still waiting for the subbed version of episode 26 but it's been great coming to this forum and hanging out with all you fellow enthusiasts.I'd like to thank everyone for their input,some of the people here are really creative and have a lot of cool and interesting explanations for all the queries posted here.

shaselai

2007-09-26, 08:05

It is surprising... but again I guess Clare is able to put hate behind her and find love? It certainl doesn't mean they wont fight again - like those scenes where the lackey carries the injured boss away and they are like "we'll see you next time" while the hero/heroine reunites with his/her love and gorgets everything else. Well it is good to know Priscilla didn't pull a fast one on clare like she did on Teressa eh? It would've been hilarious if raki tried to stop clare and they both got decapitated :p

Westlo

2007-09-26, 08:38

WTB Claymore 2012 ala Kanon 2006.

firestingerx

2007-09-26, 08:40

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Personally, I think I'll give it a rating of 7....:eyespin: Not toogd, and not too bad. Just a huge cliffhanger episode essentially.

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 09:43

To me there is nothing of a closure, just because Prissy and Clare fought a bit doesn't make the story any more complete in my eyes. And if they were going with a pseudo-close half open ending anyway, they didn't have to put in their bad writing.

Obviously doesn't work for me and quite a few other people that dropped the show because of it. v.v

It's just sad, because it could have been sooo much better, it's a shame and a waste of a good storyline.

I thought resolving the prisicilla issue gave it a lot of closure even though its still a open ending. Plus they were able to end it happily. Everyone should of expected this type of ending already anyways since there's no way in hell they can kill easley in one ep and then theres still riful left.

lol people that cry and say they drop the series im sure still watched it even though they didnt like how it strayed from the manga. They might just say that to whine a bit but im sure they are curious enough to know how its done even if they thought it sucks. lol even if they did drop it who cares.

Isnt any anime full of cliches anyways?

Is there any manga readers out there who read the manga first that actually liked the ending?

The manga is better then the anime for sure since its still ongoing rather ending abruptly but I thought the anime was still very good. I don't know why people slam it so much.

Riful

2007-09-26, 10:06

I thought resolving the prisicilla issue gave it a lot of closure even though its still a open ending.

Mmh, I suppose that is my problem. To me the "Priscilla issue" isn't resolved at all. "And she lived happily ever after with her prince Isley, having one human for lunch every day" ??? That's nothing of a resolution to me ...

PS: The people I talked to that dropped the series haven't read the manga.

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 10:13

Mmh, I suppose that is my problem. To me the "Priscilla issue" isn't resolved at all. "And she lived happily ever after with her prince Isley, having one human for lunch every day" ??? That's nothing of a resolution to me ...

PS: The people I talked to that dropped the series haven't read the manga.

It felt resolved to me since she just choosed not to kill her(even though shes still roamming free)I wish for her to suffer the same fate as my teresa /cry :( I guess we just gotta assume that later on the organization would target ABs once they are powerful enough and then their happyiness will end either that or the ABs end up taking over the world and use humans as livestock.

ps: wow thats really surprising considering I introduced a lot of ppl to claymore and each and every single one of them loved it. Some spoiled themselves on the manga then became haters though. Are the people that dropped the series hardcore otakus?

Liingo

2007-09-26, 10:41

Eclipse subs are out at the usual location.. Just a little time before I get to watch it then :D

Seska

2007-09-26, 10:42

Someone can say what they want, about this Episode. But it looks like they used some special "Closeup Facescreenshots" for this Episode... example the Screens after Jean saved Raki. This closeup to her face is awesome.. But all closeups are great this time...

Thanks MadHouse!!!

If i should rate the entire Serie, i would give Claymore a good B+ rating from A to F. A Excellent - F time slot wasted

Caiobrz

2007-09-26, 10:57

I agree with all of you guys that Madhouse had to make an ending because there was not enough material for a second season NOW, but yet:

1. It does not excuse them from making the lamest possible ending
2. They could still make a cliffhanger ending (and not divert from manga). Who cares people would hate them NOW and would not buy DVDs NOW? when they released years to come the next season, and it would be awesome (since it would be a proper manga-driven carefully written and not a rushed excuse of an ending) people would JUMP to watch and buy the innevitable "2 season boxed-set"

As for my personal view on this ending. I would rate claymore a 10 up to around episode 20, and than it starts falling appart, and by episode 24 I would rate it around 5. After this episode, 0.

What could have been done to make me rate it back to 10? Kill RAKI (and Priscilla in the process, that happy ending was so melo) and I would even double-buy the DVDs LOL

Sqbi

2007-09-26, 11:08

:eyespin:I've just seen ep. 26 and what can I say... Raki pissed me off a bit :) i rather see Priscilla death :) and wtf is with this ending?? Easley said thet they will meet again so... hope it will be season 2:rolleyes:!!!

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 11:28

totoro

2007-09-26, 11:39

claymore season 2 is getting produced ? or is this BS?
read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Claymore_episodes

Yesmilord

2007-09-26, 11:44

I can't believe I even had the notion of comparing this to Berserk. The quality went from quite exciting to deadweight at the end. All I have to say is: W T F. Way to totally destroy a good manga!

I agree totally with Caiobrz. The anime's last few episodes were poorly directed and felt incoherent. What could have been a monumental success is now garbage.

rei_lied

2007-09-26, 12:08

The ending was so bad. Aside from Priscilla still alive, so was the annoying Raki. And the episode even made it looked like Raki as the main character...

Fin

2007-09-26, 12:09

claymore season 2 is getting produced ? or is this BS?
read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Claymore_episodes

I hope that is true.

Icephere

2007-09-26, 12:11

1) isnt this just opinion though? Since 70 percent of the pollers did thought the ending was good and above.

2)What if they didnt plan on making a second season? Makes me think is Beserk ever going to have second season.

Just because the ending is pretty open doesnt mean there's going to be a second season.

I'm pretty sure Berserk is going to have a second season...there is already enough material for the plot and the only thing that the producer must do is strip away the "hentai" from the manga =)

yondy

2007-09-26, 12:16

crap, crap... crap!!

ya, great animation, but crappy fight scenes, annoying repetitive flashbacks and the classic out-of-place bgm.

It's finally over, thank god there is still the manga, which is 10 times better and no stupid raki fillers.

Deathkillz

2007-09-26, 12:24

The ending just screamed for a second season :rolleyes:
it was okey though the plot hole still remains...how the heck can clare turn back time and time again!!! *shakes fist*

Gooral

2007-09-26, 12:31

claymore season 2 is getting produced ? or is this BS?
read
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Claymore_episodes
I hope it's not true :/.
Episode was painful, it made me aware that I was giving eights and sevens on credit expecting good ending. Overall I would rate whole Claymore anime 7,5/10, episodes to 18 were 10/10, 19-20 7-8/10, 21-26 1/10. I didn't expect ending to be that terrible, happy crappy ending, no one died (well except Jean) and what's most irritating is that it did end with a cliffhanger ! Why didn't they in that case follow manga and made good ending with good opened finish :mad:

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 12:35

I'm pretty sure Berserk is going to have a second season...there is already enough material for the plot and the only thing that the producer must do is strip away the "hentai" from the manga =)

I dont know how a hentai ending can do so much better then this claymore ending. I guess if its true to the manga then regardless of it being a hentai ending its ok. lol where did you hear berserk is going to have another season? Isnt that anime like hella old and didnt it have enough manga material for a long time now? Honestly I didnt even like berserk too much. Guts seems to have a man crush on griffth till he hentaied his girl.

Blaat

2007-09-26, 12:38

The only thing I can say about this episode is:

"I felt a great disturbance in the force, it felt like thousands of Raki haters suddenly cried out in happiness and then were silenced"

The only thing I'm wondering about the final episode is: why didn't they keep following the manga? :\

FlareKnight

2007-09-26, 12:57

Has me shaking my head on why they bothered going anime original in the first place. We sit here with nothing really resolved. I mean Priscilla is still hanging around and finishing her off would`ve been one of the good things they could have done going this route. But we are now sitting on a cliffhanger at any rate. Just not all that happy with this ending since there is so much that has not been dealt with...but hey Clare and Raki can now hang out again whoo :heh:

Anyways the winner of best character this episode goes to Jeane. A seriously honorable character who gave absolutely everything up to her last moment. Giving up her very life to repay that debt. All that time she had been working to repay Clare and she finally got her chance to do it. Even getting to die as a human as she had hoped during that dark time with Riful. RIP Jeane.

hamstar

2007-09-26, 13:10

chibamonster

2007-09-26, 13:22

wow, well I just had to clean up all the mess I made when my food returned from my stomach all over my keyboard. My only question is, when an anime decides to do an original ending who writes it? Because from the looks of it, no one writes it. No one at all.

Defiled one

2007-09-26, 13:29

I have seen worse. I expected that Clare would have Awoken, killed priscilla and had her way with Raki while Helen, Deneve, Miria and reiped Raki ran away as Jean sacrificed herself.

A berserk ending ;_; I really wanted it tough.

superzombie23

2007-09-26, 13:29

I hope that is true.

If it is true, Madhouse sux for ruining the story. I'm getting the last episode as I post and will watch after class is over. Not looking forward to it :)

BBM

2007-09-26, 13:39

Has me shaking my head on why they bothered going anime original in the first place. We sit here with nothing really resolved.Actually I do view it as resolved, Clare has given up on killing Priscilla and has found new meaning in life.

And it allows enough openings for a second season.

Just what I wanted.

Plasoul

2007-09-26, 13:42

Well I have to say I have mixed feelings about the ending they could have done a lot better, one thing I really hate with a passon, is them using flashbacks scenes so much!! its like they don't want to spend the time or money on new animation, they kept reusing so much of that.

And not to mention that animes are so short if you cut off the opening and ending. :( Ill miss claymore allot I defiantly will continue to watch there lives on the manga :)

Just wished madhouse did a better job with the last episodes they had just put way to many repeated scenes and just wasted so much precious time, but even with that I will truly really miss the this anime. and I will also miss looking forward to every wednesday for a new ep. :(

I wanna give a super thank you too everyone at Eclipse for there hard work in bringing us this great anime to us thanks Eclipse!! ;)

redmeat

2007-09-26, 13:50

I'm actually mad because madhouse didn't make Clare mad and go kill everyone madly in a mad rampage, but instead madly slapping me with a goodie-two-shoes ending. They might as well add a comedic dinner party with all the claymores and awakened beings in pieta having a good time.

Riful

2007-09-26, 13:52

It felt resolved to me since she just choosed not to kill her(even though shes still roamming free)

Actually I do view it as resolved, Clare has given up on killing Priscilla and has found new meaning in life.

Yes, but WHY did she gave up on killing her? Because Raki told her in his very creative speech "everybody has lost someone because of Yoma, but I don't want the remaining humans to kill themselves"..... huh?!? That doesn't resolve the problem that Yoma kill humans and that Prissy is now one of them. They didn't undo her awakening ...
So Clare doesn't care about Yoma anymore now and will live her live with Raki?

It is a cliffhanger ending in every aspect to me v.v

Nesty

2007-09-26, 13:57

A story focused anime like Claymore demands for a closure, like it or not. Genshiken, a slice-of-life anime can afford a hanging ending because of the nature of story.

granted Genshiken was all character oriented and could leave it hanging even with the introduction of a new character but damn what did they do to claymore......

I mean clare suddenly stops wanting to kill priscilla.... no i don't think so and the whole raki crybaby effect before jean saves clare. i mean come on! we all KNEW jean was gonna do some sacrificing and the time of it seemed so off. you have raki crying and waling then suddenly jean dies. thats it, BAM u see her for a few moments and save clare. Heck, she even had enough time to push raki back a bit.

This ep really left a open gap that needs to be closed, The way claymore is structed as a story with a "extra happy ending" just doesn't seem right at all. Granted that they will probably make another season of claymore in the future with the Fab4+3 others

At lease now that this is done, everyone that just watched the anime can now pick up and read the manga :)

Tempest35

2007-09-26, 14:02

Geez, many say they hate the ending but I bet they'll still buy the DVDs when they come out. :p

Haven't watched it yet, but hey, it's over. Do they have enough to start a 2nd season? Technically since they didn't mention certain 'key' players in the Claymore world, they do have a fair shot.

I'm only really disappointed that our Fab 4 split up again...no fun times any more. Ah well, I'm betting as the years go by, GARaki will emerge then. XDDD

HayashiTakara

2007-09-26, 14:04

even though some of you say you won't watch the 2nd season, but I'm willing to bet that you guys won't be able to stay away from it.

Souten no Seigyoku

2007-09-26, 14:05

It was ok if they make a second season

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 14:09

Yes, but WHY did she gave up on killing her? Because Raki told her in his very creative speech "everybody has lost someone because of Yoma, but I don't want the remaining humans to kill themselves"..... huh?!? That doesn't resolve the problem that Yoma kill humans and that Prissy is now one of them. They didn't undo her awakening ...
So Clare doesn't care about Yoma anymore now and will live her live with Raki?

It is a cliffhanger ending in every aspect to me v.v

Hmm Well raki gave some speech about if she kills prisicilla she'll turned into a yoma blah blah blah blah love you blah blah blah blah. Then shes reminded of what Teresa really wanted for her "to live as a human" Jeane's last word was for clare to live on and its ok to find her meaning later on doesnt have to be now(something like that). Then at the end it shows clare asking teresas sword(i assume its teresas not quite sure)" im alive would you tell me if this is aright?". Then it goes to show teresa gently smiling and saying "live as a human among humans" cuz thats what teresa truly wanted clare to do. The ending is still open but I felt there's enough resolved that it ended happy compared to leaving it to the manga it would be a unhappy cliffhanger with just a lot of deaths. Besides did you really think they can end something thats endable with just 1 ep.

Riful

2007-09-26, 14:11

Riful, the more i look at ur sig the more i think just where the HELL did helen find that apple in the end....

lol. One of the more minor plot holes XD But she might carry some supplies with her all the time (pockets full of apples) ... or she demanded for the organization to send a whole tonne together with the uniforms. That's why they feel she's a trouble maker and want to get rid of her ... she eats too much :D

dutchman

2007-09-26, 14:15

It was a decent end to a great series. And I am gonna miss the waiting every week for the raws and the excellent subs (great job Eclipse !!!!).

To bad the series didn't stayed true to the manga in the last 4-5 episodes because I really would have loved to see the end that NSW predicted/proposed many posts ago.

I strongly believe that although claymore now rates as a great show. It would have rated a masterpiece if it had stayed true to masterfull plot the author has provided.

Still at least the manga is still ongoing and so I will eagerly await and keep buying each and every new volume of this fabulous manga. I have a strong faith that Nagi won't let us down and that he will amaze us when the manga also comes to an end (in 5-6 years?).

I have enjoyed the many funny, serious en sometimes even educational posts many of the fans have posted over the last months. My thanks to all of you for that :D

BBM

2007-09-26, 14:21

Yes, but WHY did she gave up on killing her?
Because Raki had her realize that there are more important things in life and that Teresa wouldn't wanted her to become a monster.

Reminds me a bit of Ophilia and her last moments.

That doesn't resolve the problem that Yoma kill humans and that Prissy is now one of them. They didn't undo her awakening ...
So Clare doesn't care about Yoma anymore now and will live her live with Raki?Clare will keep protecting humans. Priscilla is now very scared and should keep to herself for awhile.

Riful

2007-09-26, 14:21

Hmm Well raki gave hir some speech about if she kills prisicilla she'll turned into a yoma blah blah blah blah love you blah blah blah blah. Then shes reminded of what Teresa really wanted for her "to live as a human" Jeane's last word was for clare to live on and its ok to find her meaning later on doesnt have to be now(something like that). Then at the end it shows clare asking teresas sword(i assume its teresas not quite sure)" im alive would you tell me if this is aright?". Then it goes to show teresa gently smiling and saying "live as a human among humans" cuz thats what teresa truly wanted clare to do. The ending is still open but I felt there's enough resolved that it ended happy compared to leaving it to the manga it would be a unhappy cliffhanger with just a lot of deaths. Besides did you really think they can end something thats endable with just 1 ep.

I quite like the lines of Jean and Teresa, but there is still the problem of the context.
Clare has killed many many Yomas already, so Raki was refering only to awakened beings. are they supposed to be considered more human than Yoma? In fact that means that awakened beings shouldn't be killed, eventhough they continue to eat humans.

Or is it just Prissy that deserves a special status because Raki knows her personally. That's quite unfair, maybe other Yomas can be quite nice as well if you give them food regularly ....

But of course, if you ignore the story and other characters and only care about Clare, considering that she will now live a normal live as a human, then it can be consideres a close ending. :uhoh:

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 14:27

Nesty

2007-09-26, 14:27

Or is it just Prissy that deserves a special status because Raki knows her personally. That's quite unfair, maybe other Yomas can be quite nice as well if you give them food regularly ....

ya like that will ever make "loads of unbiase sense" :mad: stupid raki in anime version

Riful

2007-09-26, 14:28

Clare will keep protecting humans. Priscilla is now very scared and should keep to herself for awhile.

If she continues to protect humans, she has to continue to kill Yomas. Why should killing Yoma make her less a monster than killing an Awakened Being? And no matter how scared Prissy is, she won't starve to death, so she will kill again tomorrow at lunch.

Mmh, in fact she already killed awakened beings as well ... so it's only Prissy that shouldn't be killed. Ah, I understand ... you just need the right contacts, if you don't want to be killed befriend the male friend of the one that hunts you.

Defiled one

2007-09-26, 14:29

Manga Raki is superior. The boy knows his place. Nuff said

BBM

2007-09-26, 14:30

Well ABs were human at one time and can feel remorse.

Unlike a normal Yoma.

emu777

2007-09-26, 14:35

Nesty

2007-09-26, 14:35

Manga Raki is superior. The boy knows his place. Nuff said

hahahaha it's true, manga raki is like a good little puppy, anime raki is more of the not too bright puppy

Riful

2007-09-26, 14:35

Manga Raki is superior. The boy knows his place. Nuff said
:D

Well ABs were human at one time and can feel remorse.
No matter how much remorse they feel (which we haven't seen at all), they still have to kill to eat. I doubt Raki had the time to discuss an agreement of "will you please only eat animals from now on?" with Issy before. So in fact Raki chose Prissy's life over the life of her daily victims .....

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 14:37

lol besides it ok for raki to be a hypocite he's still young and finding his way. Kids are suppose to be stupid.

Seska

2007-09-26, 14:38

Guys with respect, but...

If you are hopping for a 2nd Season. Don't spill the beans with Spoilers from "Manga" future here... You just spoiling yourself, thats it...

Let's hope and wait, but don't ruin others "Curiosity"... I know. I sound like an old Hag, but its the truth :)

Just now, we only know the Fab 4... and thats are Miria, Clare, Helen and Deneve... and Miss Claymore (but ally or enemy?) Okay? Thanks :)

Riful

2007-09-26, 14:41

lol besides it ok for raki to be a hypocite he's still young and finding his way. Kids are suppose to be stupid.

ah ok. In fact he simply prefers Prissy over Clare, that's why he saved her. Now he travels with Clare for a while and will then "mysteriously" be kidnapped or lose himself in the woods or fake death or whatever and reunite with Prissy and his buddy :D

Now I understand, Madhouse actually thought of something ... Raki is the evil one and he will come back in season 2 as the final boss :heh:

BBM

2007-09-26, 14:43

I liked the ending, because it was a "happy ever after" endiing you dont see to often in this kind of anime. The only thing I didnt like was the breaking up of the fab 4. Now the only second season possibilites are either an OAV or an orginal second series devoid of the fab 4.:(
Well they are alive and out of the organisation. So they can always get together.

But I am left wondering how the other cuties are doing.....

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 14:46

huh where do you get he prefers priss over clare? I meant raki doesnt want to kill ABs because they used to be human or seem human yet ABS eat human guts.

Yggdrasil

2007-09-26, 14:46

The poll feels so wrong...I didn't like the ending too, but what's up with all those 1/10 ratings, it wasn't THAT bad.

Squawks

2007-09-26, 14:50

Yggdrasil

2007-09-26, 14:56

Well, as I already mentioned, I also didn't like the ending that much, but now that the anime has come to an end, I'm glad to pick up the manga and exprience Claymore with a little different feeling.
I also agree that one should separate between manga and anime.

Anyway, I think that I would rate the series 7.5-8/10 because it did entertain me with nearly each episode and some of them were very nicely done.

TigerII

2007-09-26, 15:05

LOL. I like happy endings and even I thought they would all die. LOL.

LesAmiesNoir

2007-09-26, 15:12

Okay let's se what I thought.

It could have been worse, that's the feeling I get. I guess I'm glad in a way it got a happy ending, I really set the manga and the anime apart after all.
I actually stopped watching the anime very quick but picked it up again when I heard they were changing the ending, I just wanted to see WHAT they would do with it. So I'm neither overly thrilled or overly disapointed.

But somehow what I liked the best in the episode was a spescific face expression Jean made when she started talking with Clare after she was stabbed......I also hoped that Raki would return the kiss to her in the last scene.....Well I guess I have to hope for the manga in order to see that.......

It was a happy (way to bright for Claymore) ending, but in the end almost everyone (save that Raki tagged along) ended up where they should be......

I admit I was happy when Easily picked up Pris....and seriously, how many times did we see the Teresa flashback? I think that was one of the things that bothered me the most. Teresa is a good character, and flashbacks can be effectfull.......they just did it way to many times......gives a Naruto like feeling does it not?

TigerII

2007-09-26, 15:16

Well, I thought it was okay. I was wanting Clare and Raki to end together. Didn't care if all the others lived or not. I got what I wanted.

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 15:19

Well, I thought it was okay. I was wanting Clare and Raki to end together. Didn't care if all the others lived or not. I got what I wanted.

Turning yuri rather then raki would of been better;;

Seska

2007-09-26, 15:20

Well, teresa is all for Clare, then in 2nd there comes Raki.

"CLARE!!" (It was Raki, but Clare saw a Imagine of Teresa shouting her name with a serious face)... This is it. The "Key Memory" that triggers the Human heart of Clare. She overcomes her inner Anger, she win her "Soul" back...(Berserker Manga... Its the same. when the witch open Guts Mind/Eyes in his Berserker Armor :))

Raki. Has Guts.. Where the other ones was afraid to do something, and they are Claymores. he just rush between her and Prisy and saves both sides... Prisy to lose her head. And Clare to turn in a 100% Youma... What you think, what would happen if Clare kills Prissy... her inner Mind power to keep her under Full Awakened will rapidly goes down, and her inner Beast will take over her. She would lose to her Berserk state...

Well, Mirias speech at the beginning can be a explanation, if she can still be "Other" race of AB... But she would be a AB...

and don't forgets Isley.. How he would react, if Prissy where no more... Well, okay... Clare can be bigger in power. But, are her comrads saver them him at this point? :)

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-26, 15:24

I dunno raki is always stupid I dont know what goes on in his head. Like when he cried after Clare killed Elena. It was like WTF why are you crying over someone you dont even know. My guess is probably because of his interaction with Priscilla he realized how tragic her life is too and how abs are different then yomas ? I dunno about that guy hes just been annyoing since the first ep.

Raki, you like it or not, has agapee love. Recorded history most famous person to have this facet of personality is Jesus Christ and Mother Theresa. His compassion knew no bounds and he is trying to be empathic with every living being he run across, even a hideous monster like Priscillia.

(Ducks from flames fast)

Many modern people would consider this quality as very counter-productive and stupid.

Claymore_Obsessed

2007-09-26, 15:25

Those are just pathetic people who can't see the anime and manga as seperate things. I do agree that it's not as good as it would've been a manga ending. But Madhouse did pull it off, at first I was like =(, but when I saw it, it was alright.

This isn't matter of anime and manga as seperate things...
this is matter of standard cliche such as If You Kill Him You Will Be Just Like Him (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim)

same thing or different thing, imho is a fact that the ending sucks :(

I'm expecting that sort of suckage from live action movies, not from an anime...

those wallpaper-ish frames near the end are enjoyable :) , but still that alone can't save this episode from a 1 rating imho...

Kerin

2007-09-26, 15:26

You can tell me anything how you dont like happy endings , but I loved this episode, poor Jeane :( It realy looks like we will get 2nd season.
10/10 from me

Seska

2007-09-26, 15:28

I hope they bring some Wallpapers "Omake" with this face Closeups... Onegai... i can dream, can i? :)

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 15:28

Raki, you like it or not, has agapee love. Recorded history most famous person to have this facet of personality is Jesus Christ and Mother Theresa. His compassion knew no bounds and he is trying to be empathic with every living being he run across, even a hideous monster like Priscillia.

(Ducks from flames fast)

Many modern people would consider this quality as very counter-productive and stupid.

What the hell you comparing Raki to jesus christ and mother theresa! /fames Stormy.

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 15:33

This isn't matter of anime and manga as seperate things...
this is matter of standard cliche such as If You Kill Him You Will Be Just Like Him (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim)

same thing or different thing, imho is a fact that the ending sucks :(

I'm expecting that sort of suckage from live action movies, not from an anime...

those wallpaper-ish frames near the end are enjoyable :) , but still that alone can't save this episode from a 1 rating imho...

I thought most anime have pretty standard cliches especially Harem. school life, etc. Its just how its done makes them good or not.

Tatsumiko

2007-09-26, 15:35

People people...ok so we got a really really happy ending

but hey..think about it for just once...This wasn't so bad...and why must it always be a emo or sad or dramatic ending? T_T

maybe there's no money for a second season...and I heard somewhere that the manga isn't quite on schedule either...so considering everything...this is just alright for the first season.

Lets all just be patient now for a second season....if they'll make it. ^-^''

DazarGaidin

2007-09-26, 15:37

Well i can't say i like how this episode went, but it certainly wasn't a surprise. I mean, thats pretty much exactly how most people predicted it would go down (me included) from the last few episodes.

I liked that it was a happy ending with raki and clare together. That was the one component i wanted out of the ending of claymore. Kill everyone else, tragedy galore is all fine, but i feel that that little part of happiness is important to the story...kinda like the reason all this bad crap happens makes the small happiness you find more worthwhile

I didn't like how everyone split up though, i mean, they went through so much and none of them are returning to the org, why not stick together like helen and deneve?

I like how they made Rubel seem as rebellious as galatea. :D

I'm giving it an 8/10, raki and clare together and the wallpaper shots at the end deserves that much.

PS: Where does helen keep getting apples in the arctic mountains? :P

Sci-Fi

2007-09-26, 15:37

The ending was decent. Most animes are "adaptations" of the manga anyways and "IF" the anime ends, they have some viewers that want more and will buy the manga, videogames, and whatnot. It's all about making money anyways.

The anime left it open so there is a possibility it can continue or the story picked up in the future. They could do a GitS:SAC and have the mangaka outline an overall season long arc and let the anime writers come up with the episode of the week. There are 7 years that were skipped over in the manga, so they can tell what happened. The "Extra Scenes" can be made into OVA's, but is Claymore popular enough in Japan to spring the cash to animate it? Or continue the anime for that matter? I doubt they would do a FMA with Claymore, unless they decide to show a lot more of the Org and that may impact the sales of, possibly give away plot details (unintentionally) of future events in the manga, or contradict with the manga.

I enjoyed both the manga and anime, but that's my personal opinion.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-26, 15:43

Claymore is popular in its timeslot in japan. But its a late night slot and so probably wont be overall as popular.

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 15:44

and can something be IMHO and still be a fact?

hollywoodlou

2007-09-26, 15:51

I haven't decided yet if my vote will be a 1 or a 3, BUT looking at the poll results right now...the 10 votes are 23 and the 1 votes are 20...I'll probably go for 1 because Raki freakin ruined it again like clockwork.

Everything goes in cycles...first Clare turned Teresa into a hesitating wuss in the end, now it's Raki's turn. Priscilla should've been dead at that moment and Clare hesitated due to Clare's crybaby tactics about forgiveness. What in hell did Clare get worked up for in the past 4 episodes? What a massive letdown.

The lone bright spot...Galatea. The Slashers going their separate ways? LOL...at least I;ve got the manga to keep me sane. Rant off.

celestialguy

2007-09-26, 15:51

Wow. I thought this last episode would end up worse; however, it end up pretty well. It seems to me that MadHouse is going to make a second season for some reason. Maybe it's the ending. The best part about this episode is where Jeane pulled Clare back. I thought while Jeane was doing that, Priscilla would kill Clare in that moment.

Defiled one

2007-09-26, 15:52

Claymore is popular in its timeslot in japan. But its a late night slot and so probably wont be overall as popular.

It was not intended to be popular. My guess it was for an adult audience concerning the 2.00 am airing. shounen for adults?:rolleyes:

stormy001_M1A2

2007-09-26, 16:07

What the hell you comparing Raki to jesus christ and mother theresa! /fames Stormy.

Hahahahaha

(Wiki)
A Greek word translated into English as love. The word has been used in different ways by a variety of contemporary and ancient sources, including Biblical authors. Many have thought that this word represents divine, unconditional, self-sacrificing, active, volitional, and thoughtful love.

Which Raki did almost all of them. Feel free to flame further. :D

Further source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/agape+love

FlareKnight

2007-09-26, 16:09

Would have been irony if Raki distracting Clare led her to the same fate as Teresa. Getting killed due to hesitation at the last moment.

Even if Clare isn`t doing it for revenge its not like Teresa wasn`t going to finish her off since she was going to awaken. So where is the line drawn anyways? Can you kill male awakens since no one likes them? Or since Raki knows Isley even if you had some power to kill him that would be wrong. But after all the AB were human so if they are killing people we should just hope that they don`t eat too much.

But the important thing is. Ok if we buy the fact that Clare does not want to kill Priscilla anymore. Then shouldn`t her first mission be to track down Irene and return the arm she borrowed? Since her life mission has now with a few sentences been taken care of she should not need the arm. Maybe that is their first stop or something.

Oh well the series is done anyways. While the ending was not my favorite it was still a fine series overall. A lot of characters I respected and one that was better than I had really thought it would be at first glance. So 7-7.5 out of 10.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-26, 16:11

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 16:13

Hmm not sure if I remember correctly but irene said she could probably grow back a arm it's just that it might take an long time. Clare probably would go to return the arm and wont be able to find her since shes D E A D.

Xhokhusmak

2007-09-26, 16:18

fuck raki

priscilla looked ugly, not as in yoma-ugly, but just repulsively-badly drawn (she looked good in the intro)

I think clare gave ophelia the finger

and what I want to see most is Isley animated
and I'll say it again, what I want to see most is Isley animated

DazarGaidin

2007-09-26, 16:20

I think clare gave ophelia the finger

LOL now that i think about it you are right !

hamstar

2007-09-26, 16:20

just watched it

i puked pretty hard

not only was it grossly unsatisfying, it was cheesy as hell

Anh_Minh

2007-09-26, 16:22

As expected, it was lame in addition to being stupid.

Raki: "Killing man-eating monsters is the same as killing random people!" Raki, WTF?

Miria: "let's split up for no reason whatsoever!"

Galatea: "I can't feel their youki". It would have given us a thrill, if we didn't already knew they lived. Rotten timing.

Also, what happened to Pieta? To the AB army? To Isley's plans of going south?

And why the hell did they try so much to superimpose the image of Theresa of the Freaking Faint Smile with that of monstrous, fugly Clare? Total misfit.

What I'd have wanted, in no particular order:
- for Clare to cleave Raki in two in the process of killing Priscilla.
- for Clare to shove Raki aside before killing Priscilla.
- for Priscilla to take advantage of Raki distracting Clare to kill her. And say "Thanks for the assist, Raki. By the way, I'm hungry."

Seraphis

2007-09-26, 16:24

I liked it, I liked Jeane dieing, I liked the scene with the Org guy and that other Claymore. I liked it.

Xhokhusmak

2007-09-26, 16:25

- for Clare to cleave Raki in two in the process of killing Priscilla.

When Clare raised her claws on Raki, I was really yelling "GOOOOO CLARE!!!"

then Jeane cockblocked

DazarGaidin

2007-09-26, 16:27

Yeah...i got the feeling Miria wanted to get away from the rest of them in the worst way lol
Miria: *You guys are crazy and gonna get me killed.* "We should part ways."

Helen/Devene: "Lets stick together and train!" *both look at miria*

Miria: "Well looks like this is another farewell"

lol

DazarGaidin

2007-09-26, 16:32

Anyone find it kinda weird that the claymores would be so impressed/scared by isley's yoki at that point? lol I mean, i know they had zippy desire for another fight but their awe was kinda unfounded in the face of what they just witnessed lol

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 16:38

Well it was basically "What's with that over powering yoki" Just stating facts! it wasnt like ZOMG !! HE IS TEH LEETZORSSS!!"

Lendial

2007-09-26, 16:40

i wish one of the other girls killed priss right as jeane was holding on to clare.
kinda disapointing because the whole plot revoles around clare avenging teresa.

syniel

2007-09-26, 16:40

I guess im one in the minority then. lol. I didnt find it all that bad. They left it open ended and on a note of hope.. and the characters progressed. Sounds like story writing to me !

Also.. since they left it open ended.. their fans can -always- ask them to start another *cough cough* season

Anh_Minh

2007-09-26, 16:42

Oh, joy. An anime original season. Because coming up with their own story ideas worked out so well.

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 16:46

lol look on the brightside at least no one would compare it to the manga. But yeah since they went a different route from the manga I rather not see another season. I dont want to see another Bleach bount arc.

^Sakon

2007-09-26, 16:46

Same here, wanna give MH props for the great anime, downloading last ep now (so sad to say last). Like many here I hadn't heard of Claymore before a friend told me to come here (yup claymore brought me to this site now :D) and download it. Also never was much into manga, so now reading claymore manga as it comes out, catching up on Berserk, and peekin at the new Naruto manga's all thanks to claymore anime. Also definitely Grade A job on the fansubs Eclipse, some of the best and fastest work i've seen, also...anyone got any anime's they'd recommend? Just recently started watchin Sub'd anime. Also a TY to the makers of this forum, been fun commin home to check the forum every wed/thurs night, as well as the other members here for the entertiaining posts. Ok...time to watch

DazarGaidin

2007-09-26, 16:51

downloading last ep now (so sad to say last).

I'll admit i am a little sad its over too even with all the controversial episodes at the end :upset: It was definitely something to look forward to each week.

Sarugaki

2007-09-26, 16:51

Nice unexpected fanservice I have to say...

So.. at what chapter should I start reading the manga ?

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 16:53

I would say chapter 60 to 73 then all around for small scene/dialogue changes.

chapter 54-55 for a scene that many wanted.
last couple pages of chap 49.

Anh_Minh

2007-09-26, 16:57

Sarugaki: 1.

Though if you must wait for the serious divergences, volume 11.

Claire

2007-09-26, 16:58

@ Anh_Minh Galatea: "I can't feel their youki". It would have given us a thrill, if we didn't already knew they lived. Rotten timing.

I don't think it was meant like that... I think she was hiding it to the organization's man, she probably knew they didn't have the time to check...

Anyway I don't think the ending is that bad... I've been reading the manga since it came out here in Italy and I already know the story is different starting from Pieta episodes (waiting for the next tankobon to come out! Hope it's November...), but they didn't have the time to tell all of it in 26 episodes so they preferred to end it this way, I suppose...
What if they decide for a second season as the story in the manga develops a bit more?

Riful

2007-09-26, 16:58

So.. at what chapter should I start reading the manga ?

at least from Riful-arc where the anime removed one important event. but even during slashers-arc and teresa-arc some things were removed that reappear later in the series.

DazarGaidin

2007-09-26, 16:58

It doesn't take long, id read the whole thing (thats what i did after watching ep 21-22 or so)

Ejinathan

2007-09-26, 17:01

This end is way to open ... hopefully more will come in the future :p.

^Sakon

2007-09-26, 17:03

Nice unexpected fanservice I have to say...

So.. at what chapter should I start reading the manga ?

my suggestion, begining, its a kick a$$ manga

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 17:03

@ Anh_Minh Galatea: "I can't feel their youki". It would have given us a thrill, if we didn't already knew they lived. Rotten timing.

What if they decide for a second season as the story in the manga develops a bit more?

Well they would have to do something about this ending since it doesnt follow the manga in order to do a second season that does. Plus the manga isnt that far ahead of where the anime left off. Chapters are release like once every month ? So wont be awhile till they have enough material.

Shiroth

2007-09-26, 17:07

Best part about this episode were the three beautiful Galatea scenes.

Westlo

2007-09-26, 17:13

The poll feels so wrong...I didn't like the ending too, but what's up with all those 1/10 ratings, it wasn't THAT bad.

Yeah I know but there was no 0/10 option.

Guido

2007-09-26, 17:26

Getting the details on me first, I'm a sentimental guy and won't deny it. But even a sentimental guy like me felt some void after watching the conclusion to Claymore anime. It's just that the anime direction let things go off too easily.

On the last place I am not very pleased with all the soundtrack scores that got crammed on the last, closing 5 minutes towards the end of the episode, however, I did like the music played when Galatea confronted Rubel.
It hints me on that there's more to explore and dive into the Organization.

Fortunately, there were several and not just a few moments that made me content with the development for the last episode.

1. Jean's conversation with Clare, as she synchronized her youki with Clare's in order to pull her back. The event happened the same way as it did in the manga, as Jean kept her promise and return the favor to Clare to save her from awakening. What I believe that they deviate from their dialogue in the manga at that particular event was that anime-Jean encouraged Clare to find her reason to live aside for revenge on those that wished for her to be alive and for those who deposited their will on Clare.

2. Yes, I said it earlier and I repeat it again, I'm a sentimental guy. I sobbed and nearly shed a tear when pre-awakened Clare reacted with tears on the particular moment that she listened to Rakis' words that she must live on as a human, since his words were the same ones that Teresa left to her.

3. Rubel's ambiguous resolution to let it slide for now that he's not going to bother check for himself whether everyone died or not at the Northern Lands.
Maybe Rubel's doesn't need to since the Org has Raphaela in their covert ops division, and they can send her anytime whatever they want to dispose of any surviving quitters.

4. The slashers trio decision to keep on researching the Org in order for one day to cross paths and exact their revenge.
From Mirias' words I can safely take, that there's still more to be told about the Org, and their dreadest secrets have not been revealed yet.

I agree with wrex_japan this ending was satisfying to me only, but lacked needed spice and mix for the substance.

I would have granted a higher rating had Clare or someone else encouraged her to make the decision to exact her revenge not as a monster but as a warrior.

Bonta Kun

2007-09-26, 17:29

I'm a little disappointed, whats the point of a volcano setting if ur not gonna have a painfully burnt to death by lava death scene?!:frustrated::mad:

wether or not it seems like they set themsleves up for a 2nd season I'm not gonna say. Don't feel like going down that road for time being.

On a whole I enjoyed the series, but now I wait for the manga to continue to feed me my Claymore fix from now on:p

syniel

2007-09-26, 17:34

Nice unexpected fanservice I have to say...

So.. at what chapter should I start reading the manga ?

hehe I would probably start with Vol 9 or 10 just to give a little bit of overlap between stuff you've already seen and the point where MH goes a bit, well, mad and diverges from the manga. Then if you liek what you're seeing go back and buy the earlier stuff, keeping in mind it's all stuff you've pretty much already seen.

I'm reading the series and still enjoying it

^Sakon

2007-09-26, 17:42

Well, watched and rated. Yes i ranked 10/10 (get's fireman gear for the flames ready to come :P)
Spoiler wrapping this just in case...
What i likes:
1:Jean's sacrifice was well done IMO, was sad when it happened in the manga, but seeing it put into anime where the emotion comes out more is priceless
2:Raki, finally doing something useful, being Clare's root to humanity. Face it w/o his words mirroring Teresa's Jean never could have gotten Clare to Sync with her. Great use of his character.
3:The fab4 all live, and desert the org. and go on to investigate them some more, biggest thing this shows even tho it leaves the ending very very open, is that there is a pretty good chance now for a second series of some sort.
4:Priss vrs Clare: Fight was well done, and obviously Priss is the stronger, she lost due to her own fear of Teresa and froze for a moment, resulting in her wings gettin clipped, and even then prolly still woulda won had she not freaked out.

Dislikes:
1:that there aren't going to be anymore next Wednesday :(
2:Character placement and story development from 21-end, will make it a very rough entry if they do a season 2, if they try to reconnect with the manga.
3:Priss vrs Clare: Just seeing this fight now, i expect ALOT more from the manga, tryin not to make a real spoiler, but basically the power differences between manga and anime seem to be a little off, or maybe it's just priss's mental state as portrayed in the anime, that makes her seem less powerful than Easly. Miria n crew freaked worse at Easly releasing a little of his yoki than priss goin full awaken on them. Not elaborating furthur, go read the manga to find out more :P
4: nothing mentioned about the other Claymores left alive but wounded in Piete
5:How the 7 year time lapse happens, really showed Miria's ability as a leader and is VERY sad not to see it in the anime
6: considering the ending, they could have followed the manga better, and resulted in a near-same ending, but that would have extended past 26 eps at the rate they were going

All in all i still think MH did a good job on this anime, and surprisingly the ending was done better than i had hoped. Now..for your next magic trick MH..make more come out next week! :D

BaalChaamon

2007-09-26, 17:45

Oh man this was painful!First of all someone tell Raki to stop crying all the frigging time!Geez dude get a grip!Then there is Priscilla who is equally annoying with her tantrums, denials and false accusations...her and Raki are easily on pair when it comes to annoying the hell out of me!The only good thing about this episode was to see Clare in Uber-mode!Yeah well its ok to let 2 mass murderers live who will to continue to devour some humans just for cause they like guts!!How about NOT!!!

Another thing i dont understand is why Fab4 have to disperse...probably just so they can spend another 30secs of the end filled with beautiful Wallpaper material pictures of everyone....Overall:Disappointing

Sqbi

2007-09-26, 17:49

any1 know a good torrent with full manga to download?:confused: I know I can read it online download would be better:eyespin:

^Sakon

2007-09-26, 17:50

@Guido I would have granted a higher rating had Clare or someone else encouraged her to make the decision to exact her revenge not as a monster but as a warrior.

Well, IF there is a continuation, that is still a viable reason for her to live....

Cruel

2007-09-26, 17:52

Omfgbbqwtf

2007-09-26, 17:54

well, pretty strong intention for a second season. Pricilla seems pretty weak in this episode. I think the battle should have drag on a little big longer, or at least make Clare have a tougher time or something. They sticked with the manga by making Jean bringing Clare back to normal, so that's pretty good.

It seems like everyone is going to abandon the organization and going to train themselves, and I think (or at least hope) the organization doesn't know the claymores are still alive or not, so basically, it will be like the manga, except a tweak.

Overall, 9/10, good episode, but could have been better.

flick

2007-09-26, 17:58

OMG- I'm only HALF way through the episode, but I ALREADY WANT TO KICK RAKI! Silly boy >_<

(although several minutes on, he does say sensible things :D)

Sassarai

2007-09-26, 18:00

Yeah I know but there was no 0/10 option.

lol thats exactly how I felt about Air TV

Omfgbbqwtf -Raki didnt get jeane killed she would of done it anyways to save clare from turning into a yoma :(

guest

2007-09-26, 18:04

This ending is so bad! :mad: I didn't read manga. I was waiting for the anime to be finished now this! I don't even want to read manga anymore.

For some reason, this series starts to degrade after about 20+ ep. Story just slowly turns into a soap opera. This ending just nails it! It is DBZ II! Clare is a plain character with only vengence as her motivation. Raki is the usually love interest of the main character and acting as buffer as well. He is just so annoying. Geeze, he can't do anything, just all talk. The ending is really cliche. She lost her senses but was pull back by her love one. She did not kill her opponent but show mercy. Unfortunately, this part is done in such a cheap way. :frustrated: Terrible, terrible ending.

But I like all other characters and I love Teresa. What a complicated feelings.

Cooler1339

2007-09-26, 18:04

Priscilla has a nice rack.

Westlo

2007-09-26, 18:05

I don't even want to read manga anymore.

The manga is great, read it.

chibamonster

2007-09-26, 18:08

Yeah, the manga is really really good. You should read it.

WanderingKnight

2007-09-26, 18:09

Kouvley

2007-09-26, 18:16

Pretty much the ending I expected since ep 20 when Raki befriended Priscilla. :heh:

It was a decent finale with Jean's sacrifice being the highlight, I thought the final battle was rather lacklustre but at least the parting shots of all the main characters were drawn nicely. :)

Ideally I would have liked the anime to have followed the manga all the way and finish open ended at an appropriate place to wait for season 2 but with no guarantee of a season 2, I can fully understand Madhouse's decision to go for an original ending. In fact, if I was in their shoes I would have done the same.

The way they've ended it though, does give us a glimmer of hope that there could be a season 2.

In the mean time, it's time I read the manga. :D

flick

2007-09-26, 18:24

Now that I've finished the episode, I have to agree it wasn't quite as bad as I had thought. I do think they really should have followed the manga storyline though, except that would have dragged on for a long time. I agree with Kouvley that the highlight is Jean's sacrifice (although I quite liked Raki's confession) and the end where Clare asks self/Teresa about being alive, but the fight scene itself wasn't any extraordinary.
Not sure if there should be a season 2 - maybe an OAV? :)

Anh_Minh

2007-09-26, 18:24

This ending is so bad! :mad: I didn't read manga. I was waiting for the anime to be finished now this! I don't even want to read manga anymore.

For some reason, this series starts to degrade after about 20+ ep. Story just slowly turns into a soap opera.
Coincidentally (or not), it's where they start deviating from the manga. So maybe you should rethink your decision not to read it.

Hmm, I'm not sure on this one. I've been avoiding threads about this series in order not to prejudice myself against it, and I didn't find the last episodes to suck THAT badly. Granted, they're kind of in a different wavelenght than the rest of the series, but still, I didn't find it too incoherent. Besides, I think it's pretty obvious this episode was just a setup for a future second series, even more considering the amount of fans the manga has and supposing a lot of plot points that are covered lately in it (haven't read it, BTW).

I would be sincerely surprised if we don't get a second season. Or at least an OVA series of some kind.

They've recycled one scene from the manga (the Jean scene). But if they do make a second season, it'll be vastly different from the manga plot. Any resemblance will be coincidental.

^Sakon

2007-09-26, 18:34

Oh my gosh...I am very dissapointed. Raki got Jean killed... WTF! Why do you have to be an idiot Raki and want Priscilla to live? Um...she's gonna eat more guts... OKAY! Whatever... I just don't see what everything was building up for. They wasted a perfectly good opportunity to get some major drama/action in...

Nah, Raki actually gave Jean that chance, had he not reached Clare, Jean wouldn't have been able to have her Sync with her to revert to normal again. Jean was basically dead anyways, she already illiterated to it, about using the last of her strength to get to the battle zone, she was going to die there either way. This way, she died while returning the favor she felt she owed to her friend. Sure, Raki didn't want Pris to die, but also his bigger intent was not letting Clare become Pris.

syniel

2007-09-26, 18:36

Hmm, I'm not sure on this one. I've been avoiding threads about this series in order not to prejudice myself against it, and I didn't find the last episodes to suck THAT badly. Granted, they're kind of in a different wavelenght than the rest of the series, but still, I didn't find it too incoherent. Besides, I think it's pretty obvious this episode was just a setup for a future second series, even more considering the amount of fans the manga has and supposing a lot of plot points that are covered lately in it (haven't read it, BTW).

I would be sincerely surprised if we don't get a second season. Or at least an OVA series of some kind.

I really agree with your post. I think, honestly, it was just let down after how well the series was going. Then they changed the plot majorly after ep 23 .. and the manga is so good it's hard to deviate from it and still look good. But, I still think they did a creditable job even at the end.

Then ..the ending was left just sooo open. It screams "add to me."

PS. i don't think they changed anything that they can't get back to in another season. All the major characters and plot elements are still there (except for one or two that i really really wish they could have included) so i can totally see them getting back on manga plot in a season 2.. if they are brave enough to try it. (There may be a very very slim chance that they wanted a way to wrap up the season more conclusively, since the manga is more or less constantly moving at a steady pace, moving with little pause in the story )