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toxic_trance
2007-09-27, 08:12
Wow..well..i have no doubt that this show would deserve a special discussion thread in the future. Great to see that this thread has come up. With a few disappointments this season..looking forward majorly to CLANNAD
FireChick
2007-09-27, 14:25
I'm so DEFINITELY watching this!:):):D:D
Since the first episode is still ~8 days away i am going to temporarily close this thread, otherwise it might get infested with 'cheer' comments not exactly related to episode 1 discussion :) (and premature votes >.>)
Hi ho! Providing a meteor doesn't strike the earth which subsequently puts a big dent in the fun of things, episode 1 should be out in the next 24 hrs. I will be your moderator for the Clannad section of the forum (hold your applause).. And Skyfall will be my assistant........ just kidding.. :D
To be a little serious, our (the moderators) pet-peeve for the anime-only threads will be the spoilers that reveals any future event no matter how unimportant/insignificant/little they may seem. Any such posts will be instantly deleted along with an infraction. Furthermore, if I'm the one giving the infraction then the asshole-me will dish out a ban as well.
My sincere request is that please do NOT ruin it for any of us who are going to experience this series for the first time by spoiling. Eagerly looking forward to episode 1!
Daniel E.
2007-10-03, 17:11
The only bits of Clannad that I know come from the few manga chapters that I read a while ago. So, unlike Kanon, I am pretty much in the dark as far as this show is concerned.
Really looking forward to the first episode! :)
Deathkillz
2007-10-03, 18:35
Well i see the Raw for episode 1 - so i guess it will be a mad rush for you guys to get it :heh:
(while im heading off to bed ;__; )
- Hopefully clannad will not end up like kanon :3 (not saying that kanon is bad but it could have been way better).
Well i see the Raw for episode 1 - so i guess it will be a mad rush for you guys to get it :heh:
It hasn't actually aired yet. So i'm finding it hard to trust this raw.
Edit: It's not the first episode.
Ascaloth
2007-10-03, 18:57
To be a little serious, our (the moderators) pet-peeve for the anime-only threads will be the spoilers that reveals any future event no matter how unimportant/insignificant/little they may seem. Any such posts will be instantly deleted along with an infraction. Furthermore, if I'm the one giving the infraction then the asshole-me will dish out a ban as well.
You mean people who post spoilers now have more to fear than merely being FPB'd? :p
No, to come back to the more serious side of things, I agree with monir. I'm going into CLANNAD as a newbie, in contrast with Kanon 2k6, so certainly I wish not to be spoiled. Unless I'm enough of an idiot to spoil things for myself, of course, but then there's the vet's thread for that. :heh:
^ Yeah, I'm agree. I don't know nothing about CLANNAD, I know characters and that, but not about history or the game.
I saw a RAW in TT, I tried to download it, but I failed :(
Ascaloth
2007-10-03, 22:11
^ Yeah, I'm agree. I don't know nothing about CLANNAD, I know characters and that, but not about history or the game.
I saw a RAW in TT, I tried to download it, but I failed :(
Be glad it failed. I don't think the first episode has even aired yet; it could very well be a virus.
Leo_Otaku
2007-10-03, 22:55
well it did air now, probably raws around tomorrow noonish. From revies of the ones who went to the festa said it was good.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-10-03, 23:19
If it didn't air then what's with the two votes already. Unless it's just people following the motions.:rolleyes:
If it didn't air then what's with the two votes already. Unless it's just people following the motions.:rolleyes:
Just premature votes.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-10-04, 00:26
Just premature votes.
Oh those boys...... tsk tsk tsk.:nono:
I've successfully avoided knowing more about Clannad than there's a lot of complex character design and development; and its considered a milestone in game-form storytelling. AND I'm aware that the anime may merge, adjust, or deviate in some ways for more coherent story flow because that's just what has to happen in adaptations.
So yes, I'm going to be seriously unfriendly to spoilage as well. I may even just avoid the whole Clannad forum til the series is over other than to cast postless votes :)
In other forums, the mods have taken to DELETING premature votes either before the sub appears or the raw appears. I'd suggest the same here.
toxic_trance
2007-10-04, 02:53
True...True . This is arguably THE MOST ANTICIPATED series of the season. Any form of spoilage in this could be bigtime disastrous. Frankly..Even I think I will try being away from the forum as much as possible so as to avoid any possibility of getting spoiled
The Wait for CLANNAD has been a long one. I am a big fan of Kanon and AIR. So the last thing I would want is some user trying to show off his extra knowledge. I think since any type of spoilage has been avoided in the forum is good. But I even feel..That premature voting is also wrong...pls try avoiding it
LionsMane
2007-10-04, 02:59
Yeah I really don't have much information on CLANNAD and I hope that doesn't prevent me(prevention in the form of spoilers from prior/other knowledge) from enjoying and anticipating it. I loved Kanon. I'm sure CLANNAD will be great as well.
I see a lot of worries about spoilers :) Rest assured that we will do as much as we can to keep the episode discussion threads spoiler-free (as the thread guidelines imply). Also, the use of report button report.gif is encouraged, as it would help us deal with the issue faster due to our lack of omnipresence :)
All formalities aside - this is my second most anticipated show of this season, so i am highly looking towards the episode. (And holding on to my hopes that the character names would be removed from the OP :))
(And holding on to my hopes that the character names would be removed from the OP :))
Haha... good luck with that. :p
Meanwhile, I'm also hoping that those vets in the know will be able to report the spoilers before us newer to the CLANNAD scene will be reading the post. ;)
Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-10-04, 05:29
Woah that was fast, its already time for Clannad to premiere?
Well, heres to the first episode of Clannad, one of the most anticipated anime series for this season!:)
Ascaloth
2007-10-04, 09:59
Hmmm, to go a little off-topic...
I nominate FatPianoBoy as a mod. My frequent jibes at him aside, I think we need dedicated sentinels like him around, especially in the sub-forum of a particularly spoiler-vulnerable series as CLANNAD (TV) is. It makes sense to give people like him, who can catch spoilers faster than the regular mods sometimes, some sort of power to actually deal with spoilers, instead of simply negging the culprit. :D
Back on-topic, if it's approximately 11pm here right now in Singapore as of this post, what time should I expect a new episode of CLANNAD to air every week?
Apart from tonight's first screen on TBS at 2:25am and next week's 2:01am start, the regular screening time will be at 1:55am. All Tokyo-time, of course.
So when do you guys think a sub will be out? Saturday, perhaps?
toxic_trance
2007-10-04, 10:29
BTW..is it Eclipse..or SS-Eclipse whom we will be seeing subbing this??
I think it will be like Kanon..Friday Night according to India Standard Time (+5.5 hrs from Greenwich)
Friday 5th October, 2:25am (http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=5&month=10&year=2007&hour=2&min=25&sec=0&p1=248)
Have a look for your timezone in that link above.
As for whether it's SS-Eclipse or just Eclipse, I don't think it matters. Either or, both groups do awesome jobs with whatever they touch. And this is assuming they are picking up this series this season (i.e. because they already have Hayate no Gotoku still on their plates).
toxic_trance
2007-10-04, 12:31
Its airing..its airing as we speak..i can feel the excitement building up. Sorry for the spam..but i need to let out my excitement somehow
Thanks Boggart for the page. Then CLANNAD might be airing right now in Japan =_=
Nightengale
2007-10-04, 13:11
Hmm... comments on the first episode.
I don't recall 'her' first words to 'him' being 'that'... but then again, I'm pretty much forgotten 90% of what I played in the beginning part.
But I really liked the way the whole 'light back my dark, pale angst world' thing played out. It reflected well the prior ~unclear~ aspect of Tomoya's angst in the beginning.
And kudos to Kyoto Animation on how they animated the dictionary. It felt 'heavy', which is something often ignored in a world of speed lines and cheap animation tactics.
Though, I've got to say...wooden table LOL?
I haven't completely bought Nakamura yet since in the aspect of character chemistry and interaction, it's still ZONE I but I suppose he's quite good on a casual and solitary base. The rest are pretty much spot-on, though Nakahara sounded... less...airy...I think, which is a good thing.
FatPianoBoy
2007-10-04, 13:13
Hmmm, to go a little off-topic...
I nominate FatPianoBoy as a mod. My frequent jibes at him aside, I think we need dedicated sentinels like him around, especially in the sub-forum of a particularly spoiler-vulnerable series as CLANNAD (TV) is. It makes sense to give people like him, who can catch spoilers faster than the regular mods sometimes, some sort of power to actually deal with spoilers, instead of simply negging the culprit. :D
Heh, thanks :heh:
I mod on a few other forums, so maybe it's just a habit. I don't think giving me any mod powers would be necessary... everyone knows how to use the report button, right? ;)
Nightengale
2007-10-04, 13:23
Oh, and btw...
SPECTATOR'S VIEW = WIN.
So is Nagisa's father. As expected...It's hard to take Tomoyo completely seriously even more so in anime, but alas, that's her charm... I suppose.
Overall, if you ask me, it's a good start. Akio and Sunohara made me smile, and there's a lot of potential in chemistry.
OHMYGODDDD.
Freaking AMAZING.
A question for those who have seen it, is it 4:3 like what the reports were saying?
Nightengale
2007-10-04, 13:30
A question for those who have seen it, is it 4:3 like what the reports were saying?
It's definitely not wide-screen (( full canvas )), that's for sure.
panzerfan
2007-10-04, 13:32
there will be 16:9 airing for it later on.
I love the introduction for Tomoyo in this series.
It's definitely not wide-screen (( full canvas )), that's for sure.
Thanks... guess I'll have to restrain myself for the next 3 weeks until BS-i airs it. T___T
Continue and enjoy it for me please. :p
toxic_trance
2007-10-04, 14:08
I ll be getting every ratio there is out there..i cant wait for subbed..its RAW for me >.<
Klashikari
2007-10-04, 14:18
currently "dying" for part B.
My first impressions are VERY positive, and this is from a total CLANNAD newbie.
just as a little disclaimer: "summaries" are hardly accurate with me. many interpretations etc. so if you read them, don't take them seriously ^^'
Episode 1: Summary and screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/clannad-episode-1/)
Final thoughts: I rarely watched a starting series episode giving everything required: a very immersive mood, empathic characters, daily and usual situations, and nice interactions.
As a CLANNAD newbie, i can't judge the adaptation, but this episode was heartwarming for me, screaming for a 10 already in my books.
If i add the superb quality for either sakuga/animation and the tracks/seiyuu, it is a spectacular "episode 1".
Definitely looking foward for the next episode !
EDIT: screencaps are up, summary has been reworked with subs.
Well, i only know that Clannad is a remake of the Haruhi Studios. I never saw the old one, or read the Manga or even played the Game so far...
Yes, i am a Clannad virgin :)
But, the most people is speaking in high tones for it, it must be that good.
Deathkillz
2007-10-04, 14:25
Apologies for the fake start *cough* (baka baka me XD)
From what ive heard, it seems like tomoyo is kicking ass already :P *waves fanboy flag* :D
(though im curious as to what this "spectator view" means though its probably best not to be spoilers so i may laugh my ass off first thing whatever it is :p)
watched episode 1 just now, does not disappoint at all!
Looks like another Kyo-ani hit :)
Wonder if they'll do a Tomoyo After OVA ^^
LolitaDecay
2007-10-04, 14:48
Anyone know when subs will be out?
I'm so excited!
FireChick
2007-10-04, 14:52
Me too! I'm not gonna spoil myself at Random Curiosity as I usually would. Hehe.:heh::)
I am new in Clannad World too, But love Air TV and I wait to see the same graphic art and fluid animation... :D
As expected, opening scene is absolutely lovely. Great to hear the track 'Nagisa' at the perfect time.
Very enjoyable first episode, as expected.
I played the first dozen hours of the game. Judging off the storyline that I got the chance to go through, I'd say they were over-cramming the episode with different storylines. I guess they are aiming for a 2-cour (24-26 episode) series. Even AIR's story didn't flow by that fast in its first anime episode.
I liked what they did with Sunohara's and Okazaki's interactions. wwww The girls received a fair introduction. I felt Nagisa and Tomoyo got more screen time than Kyou and her sister. Other girls were probably left for the next episode... Oh, and Nagisa's dad saying "Okazaki Tomoya Etanol!" almost tipped me off the chair.
What else, what else... The ED was very cute, so now I'd like some dango plushies kthx. *_*
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-04, 15:14
I played the first dozen hours of the game. Judging off the storyline that I got the chance to go through, I'd say they were over-cramming the episode with different storylines. I guess they are aiming for a 2-cour (24-26 episode) series. Even AIR's story didn't flow by that fast in its first anime episode.
Being so used to reading the game's very long text, I was at first disoriented by the quick pacing of consecutive scenes, but I quickly got used to it, as long as I accept that the story would focus on Tomoya and Nagisa. Reminds me a bit of the fast pacing in AIR, in contrast with the "normal" pacing in Kanon 2006.
From the pacing of the scenes, it is highly likely director Ishida Tatsuya plans to finish the School Life arc within 2-cours (24 episodes).
Obviously Nagisa, being the main girl, is given more focus than any other. Kyou (and Ryou) and Tomoyo's introduction were impressive enough. Misae, Akio and Sanae also make their token appearance. Fuuko and Kotomi to appear next episode.
Now I understand why Sunohara thought Tomoyo was faking her stunts against those delinquents, thanks to the "Spectator's View". Though we've yet to see her trademark "64 Hit Combo".
If you want to talk about why Kyo-Ani "pwns", you only need to look at the opening scene, where the cherry blossom petals fall on Tomoya and Nagisa's head. Now that's quality.
Quite a lot of raw watchers here. I probably won't post this early next time, since CLANNAD is shown at such a late timeslot than Lucky Star. I'm only staying up late today to watch it because it's the series premiere.
Until recently the only thing that came to mind when I heard the word Clannad was that Irish band Enya used to be in who did the theme for Robin of Sherwood...
But I loved Air, and I loved Kanon, so I'm really looking forward to seeing this.
LolitaDecay
2007-10-04, 15:14
I really don't have a clue about the plot of CLANNAD but I'm counting on KyoAni to make it just as enjoyable as Air and Kanon which will always be firm favorites in my opinion.
The animation is always stunning.
"... Ham... burger ?" :):)
That was very well done. A good anime adaptation will make you remember parts of the game you've forgotten, and this episode definitely did that. The scene with him going back to Nagisa's house felt rushed, but I know it's unavoidable because the anime can't show him going to the dorm for a few days, so it's forgivable.
Fuko next episode. YES !
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6813/11915283201411lu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3536/11915282059351mm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6813/11915283201411lu9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3536/11915282059351mm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
seconded! tomoyo's made of win and... more win, *prays for Tomoyo after OVA*
And let the journey begins :blush: Screenshots (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/10/04/clannad-01/) of episode 1 courtesy of Random Curiosity. Pls. look at it at your own risk!!!
Kaoru Chujo
2007-10-04, 16:38
During the OP, as my heart swelled and I almost had to wipe tears from my eyes (especially during the running through the flower-field scene), I thought: they're really going to have to screw this up for me not to love it. For a while there, they almost did. This KyoAni style is always beautiful, but can sometimes be a little emotionless, for me.
But Nakahara Mai (Nagisa) and Nakamura Yuuichi (Tomoya) were great. Their work was great, and their characters were great: full and individual. And I also loved Kuwashima Houko as Tomoyo, and Okiayu Ryoutarou as Nagisa's dad.
I noted that Hayami Saori, the 16-year-old who was so outstanding as Momoka in Touka Gettan, had a part in this episode as a student. KyoAni knows how to find great unknown seiyuu, it appears. Please watch for her: she is a huuuge talent, both speaking and singing.
Deathkillz
2007-10-04, 17:01
Dango ~ dango ~ dango ~ yasashi dango ^_^
A nice start to the series :)
The good -
As expected the quality is drool - just looking at the graphix coming from tomoyo is enough to make most people drool :p
The characters are plentiful and unique - especially Sunohara who is just a walking disaster XD First he is used as a ball then he gets his ass kicked - oh boy :rolleyes:
Its nice to see a complete family for once rather than one where the father usually dies (or isnt present at all) - yep im talking about nagisa's family :) MILF and a hot blooded father really makes a good combo - and down the line i was hoping the guy would give tomoya an ass kicking for making his wife cry ;__;
The story on tomoya's side also looks interesting - showing what a mess his dad has become
The not so good -
Pacing was a problem imo - Everything was at high speed and so the impact was lessened. Whereas kanon went into depth this first ep seems to focus more on the paths and different girls and so the way it "jumped around" cutting to different scenes made it feel too fragmented. At one point i even forgot how the heck he ended up going into nagisa's house the pacing was so fast - which kinda ruined the mood.
A nice first start like i said ;)
I just rewatched this episode to check certain scenes:
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2148/01pz8.jpg
Seriously, they're beautiful petals.
Loved the first ep did not dissapoint at all. Tomoyo has got to be my 2nd favorite girl only after Nagisa.
Thoroughly enjoyable first ep.
Very impressive visually as one would expect of Kyoto Animation.
Great introductions to the characters with Nagisa's family and Tomoyo's scenes being my favourites. Sunohara was also fun to watch. :)
Meophist
2007-10-04, 17:44
Well, I'm going to be watching this. Hopefully I won't get spoiled as the only thing I know about Clannad is its theme: Family.
I quite enjoyed the first episode. I think Kyoto Animation has gotten much better since Kanon.
toxic_trance
2007-10-04, 18:20
K..can some one tell me how many episodes this series is...is it 13, 24 or 26????
Please tell me that the choice is one of the last 2 >.<
K..can some one tell me how many episodes this series is...is it 13, 24 or 26????
Please tell me that the choice is one of the last 2 >.<
If you've read the Q&A section you would already see that this question has been answered many times before.
THERE HAS BEEN NO ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE NUMBER OF EPISODES YET.
EDIT: However with that being said, I just checked the website and the number of DVDs scheduled to be released has come out with a mention that each DVD will have 3 episodes.
CLANNAD DVDシリーズ発売決定しました!
12/19 初回限定版&通常版同時リリース
【初回限定版】
各巻3話収録/本編72 分/\7,600(税抜)片面二層/16:9/カラー/ステレオ/本編リニアPCM
■初回限定版特典【第1巻】
●音声特典 京都アニメーションスタッフによるオーディオコメンタリー
●映像特典 キャスト&スタッフインタビュー映像
●オリジナルブックレット封入総合設定資料集
●オリジナルグッズ封入特製デスクトップアクセサリー
●特製ピクチャーディスク
●特製お楽しみカード
※商品の仕様等は変更になる可能性がございます。予めご了承下さい。
※初回限定版は数量に限りがございます。お早めにご予約ください。
【通常版】
各巻3話収録/本編72 分/\5,960(税抜)片面二層/16:9/カラー/ステレオ/本編リニアPCM
《リリーススケジュール》
第1巻 2007/12/19 初回限定版: PCBX.50971 通常版:PCBX.50991
第2巻 2008/01/16 初回限定版: PCBX.50972 通常版:PCBX.50992
第3巻 2008/02/20 初回限定版: PCBX.50973 通常版:PCBX.50993
第4巻 2008/03/19 初回限定版: PCBX.50974 通常版:PCBX.50994
第5巻 2008/04/16 初回限定版: PCBX.50975 通常版:PCBX.50995
第6巻 2008/05/21 初回限定版: PCBX.50976 通常版:PCBX.50996
第7巻 2008/06/18 初回限定版: PCBX.50977 通常版:PCBX.50997
第8巻 2008/07/16 初回限定版: PCBX.50978 通常版:PCBX.50998
発売元:TBS・光坂高校演劇部
販売元:ポニーキャニオン
So that means that both a limited edition and the regular edition will go on sale at the same time. Each DVD will have 3 episodes each. Thus making the grand total of episodes 24 at this point in time.
So the features of both versions are:
3 episodes a volume
Total running time: 72 minutes
Technical: 16:9; Colour; Stereo Linear PCM
Cost: Limited - ¥7,600; Regular - ¥5,960
Additional features on the limited edition are:
Audio commentary by staff
Cast and Crew interviews
Collector's booklet
Special packaging
Special disc prints(?)
Extras (cards, etc.)
Ascaloth
2007-10-04, 18:48
>.>
<.<
Time to go bug Mentar once again. :p
Solafighter
2007-10-04, 19:40
Wow very very nice opening! :) :eyespin: :eyespin:
What a wonderful episode.
That being said, the show is most likely 2 cours, considering the game is scheduled for a release that coincides with the TV series. (It's not coming out until Spring 2008.)
Tomoe GO!!!This will be the only "sad" anime I'm watching this year.
changeup
2007-10-04, 21:59
I do not feel the first episode very impressive. It's an OK beginning, but nothing really overwhelming. The graph quality is absurd as expected (in the good sense), though...
Nothing to complain about from a game vet's view. I got teary eyed as soon as "Nagisa" began playing... ^^;
The speed of plot development doesn't feel rushed at all, although there is a feeling of "jumping from one scene to another while cutting out everything in between" with all the scene wipes.
Tomoyo's fight scene is amazing to a point of pointlessness. :heh:
Next week will finish up the introduction with Kotomi and Fuuko (and probably Yukine as well). For now, the route is still at a very general stage, although I'm sure Tomoya will be busy setting up flags with everyone before you know it.
Nakamura Yuuichi's voice fits Tomoya really nicely. The calmness (representing his relative disinterest in everything) is a rather important part and he got it nailed.
kira11111
2007-10-04, 22:54
I really enjoyed the first episode. All the VA's matched their characters. The music was pretty good, OP and ED were impressive. Can't wait for episode 2!
I bet that Taniguchi look-alike is voiced by Shiraishi Minoru wwww
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-04, 23:02
I bet that Taniguchi look-alike is voiced by Shiraishi Minoru wwww
Ah yes, that Taniguchi. Without spoiling anything, I know there is indeed such a very minor character named as such in Tomoyo's route. I'll be over the moon if Shiraishi decides to do this cameo.
Leo_Otaku
2007-10-05, 00:15
That was quite good to watch ^-^
Yeah Nagisa does not start off saying that in the game but might as well be ^-^.
I as well loved the transition from light to dark and the breif flash too was really good too. It added a nice effect indeed.
I wanted the remix tape XD that would have been a great touch oh well >.>
Next episode Kyou and her bike
Kyou was just amazing! Her theme is one of my favorites with Nagisa, and Fuko's. The way that dictionary flew was priceless! Can't wait for the encyclopedia XD
Tomoyo's intro was really good too! I liked as everyone the spectator's view not sure if anyone noticed but what Youhei was drinking ^-^
Nakamura is awesome for Okazaki, I like him better than from the game some reason...
Aww no cosmos :(
velocity7
2007-10-05, 00:16
A reasonably well-rounded episode.
I liked how there was the blue tint, which I dub the "Anime Exaggeration Mode", followed by the "Spectator's View". :)
USCPharmacist
2007-10-05, 00:29
With Kyon, Rena, Shimion in the show, it cannot fail hehehe j/k.
But the image of Nagisa busting out a billhook later fill my mind constantly as I watch the episode.
Well, in terms of game chronology is can seem weird, since I believe it's possible to run all the scenes in the first episode within a runthrough of a game, meaning what you would see probably happened in different days. Now does that really matter? No, because the anime doesn't really care about the actual day, and the scenes were within the beginning anyways, so it's still accurate in matching (and I doubt this is spoiler, it's just stating what's in the first episode is pretty much what you see in the beginning of the game anyways.).
Watching it was weird at first, it really was. But then it had enough replay value to warrant using again. Though I went through the raw, so I bet I lost something in context, but yet the art is so beautiful there's no text disruption either. So the only issue Kyoani could have is the chronology/momentum sequence and the balanced usage in merging routes. Now this has been somewhat of a problem for them and is a weakness they contain. Then again if it were another company, there may as well be more flaws like taking things out of context.
And it was interesting how some things are somewhat identical, but since it's not first person view ... it becomes not first person view.
Now there are the denotations of a few things they could present later.
And as interesting as the Tomoyo parts were, it's actually surprisingly inaccurate The overall concept is correct, but like the audience wasn't quite on a field, it was more like the main characters knew about it by hearing it so loudly from outside the classroom. Then again, Nagisa isn't supposed to be there either, however, this would bode significance to Tomoyo's route portion should they choose to use parts of it. Now since Kyoani didn't do Nayuki's alarm clock setup in kanon 2006 even though it was well implied, this might not be the case, and it is just easier to include Nagisa. And I heard the Anpan line is the first line on the Manga. Still, a weird beginning.
Well, the music BGM within the anime are like spot on with the character matching and were fair on scenes as well. It was kind of funny because you see Kyou come in and you get her character music. Same with Tomoyo, same with Nagisa. The other three haven't appeared yet (Kotomi, Miyazawa, Fuuko). Funny, Miyazawa has her own full route equation and character song, but isn't considered a main character, so she doesn't always show up as a main, not to forget she's hardly in previews or promos.
In a technical sense, although animes are not going to be exact, Kyou's scene was completely inaccurate if you think about it. It makes less sense since her first appearance is supposed to have Sunohara. Speaking of which, Sunohara should have been in the classroom when Ryou was there, but then he's not because when you meet Ryou he's not exactly there (or within the conversation) but then when there's Kyou, there is Sunohara there. Therefore merging the two day events into one made it a little weird. But in terms of Kyou route accuracy the overall point isn't lost too much.
Wait, these aren't really that spoiler anymore. It's more like random features from the airing of the first episode, oh well.
And too bad, Sunohara's tape recorder was turned into a CD player and thus Tomoya doesn't record over it and therefore you don't get that. But they maintained other humour, yet that was probably the best one for that day.
And in terms of Tomoyo again, they used like her first scene, then the one right after that. Although I watched the raw, hopefully they stated she was a second year or something (er they probably did), and ironically because of how they structured it, they didn't even have the principal meeting for the actions that happened (though it's possible that occurs later).
Well since the episode actually aired, I will say that the "prelude" was a bit weak compared to Kanon's, which actually had like an enigmatic phrase in the beginning that sets a very nice tone if you have absolutely no idea what's going to happen.
I tend to forget Kyoani's KEY's adaptations work very well if it's a first time run through having just about no idea what is going to happen (like to the extent that you don't know character names, but if it is known, oh well, because the OP gives it anyways).
And yes, the first episode did run pretty fast. Though it's not overly paced, it's just that compared to the game it feels like you're holding the control button to accelerate the text sometimes.
Though, I must say the additional visual imagery (like walking around the school or town, which is normal), is quite neat, and makes sense. Not a feeling you can match from the game. And so if Kyoani can harness that effect, then the animation imagery would certainly merit a good strength.
The merging does feel weird though, even though the chronological area is correct, even if it's not necessarily in order.
So far so good, but there's practically a guarantee someone will find the momentum very weird. And friends I know who aren't into the genre, I don't see how the first episode would convince otherwise, meaning if clannad isn't a match of taste, then it probably wouldn't work (then again most other things wouldn't either).
Leo_Otaku
2007-10-05, 00:44
Well, in terms of game chronology is can seem weird, since I believe it's possible to run all the scenes in the first episode within a runthrough of a game, meaning what you would see probably happened in different days. Now does that really matter? No, because the anime doesn't really care about the actual day, and the scenes were within the beginning anyways, so it's still accurate in matching (and I doubt this is spoiler, it's just stating what's in the first episode is pretty much what you see in the beginning of the game anyways.).
Watching it was weird at first, it really was. But then it had enough replay value to warrant using again. Though I went through the raw, so I bet I lost something in context, but yet the art is so beautiful there's no text disruption either. So the only issue Kyoani could have is the chronology/momentum sequence and the balanced usage in merging routes. Now this has been somewhat of a problem for them and is a weakness they contain. Then again if it were another company, there may as well be more flaws like taking things out of context.
And it was interesting how some things are somewhat identical, but since it's not first person view ... it becomes not first person view.
Now there are the denotations of a few things they could present later.
And as interesting as the Tomoyo parts were, it's actually surprisingly inaccurate The overall concept is correct, but like the audience wasn't quite on a field, it was more like the main characters knew about it by hearing it so loudly from outside the classroom. Then again, Nagisa isn't supposed to be there either, however, this would bode significance to Tomoyo's route portion should they choose to use parts of it. Now since Kyoani didn't do Nayuki's alarm clock setup in kanon 2006 even though it was well implied, this might not be the case, and it is just easier to include Nagisa. And I heard the Anpan line is the first line on the Manga. Still, a weird beginning.
Well, the music BGM within the anime are like spot on with the character matching and were fair on scenes as well. It was kind of funny because you see Kyou come in and you get her character music. Same with Tomoyo, same with Nagisa. The other three haven't appeared yet (Kotomi, Miyazawa, Fuuko). Funny, Miyazawa has her own full route equation and character song, but isn't considered a main character, so she doesn't always show up as a main, not to forget she's hardly in previews or promos.
In a technical sense, although animes are not going to be exact, Kyou's scene was completely inaccurate if you think about it. It makes less sense since her first appearance is supposed to have Sunohara. Speaking of which, Sunohara should have been in the classroom when Ryou was there, but then he's not because when you meet Ryou he's not exactly there (or within the conversation) but then when there's Kyou, there is Sunohara there. Therefore merging the two day events into one made it a little weird. But in terms of Kyou route accuracy the overall point isn't lost too much.
Wait, these aren't really that spoiler anymore. It's more like random features from the airing of the first episode, oh well.
And too bad, Sunohara's tape recorder was turned into a CD player and thus Tomoya doesn't record over it and therefore you don't get that. But they maintained other humour, yet that was probably the best one for that day.
And in terms of Tomoyo again, they used like her first scene, then the one right after that. Although I watched the raw, hopefully they stated she was a second year or something (er they probably did), and ironically because of how they structured it, they didn't even have the principal meeting for the actions that happened (though it's possible that occurs later).
Well since the episode actually aired, I will say that the "prelude" was a bit weak compared to Kanon's, which actually had like an enigmatic phrase in the beginning that sets a very nice tone if you have absolutely no idea what's going to happen.
I tend to forget Kyoani's KEY's adaptations work very well if it's a first time run through having just about no idea what is going to happen (like to the extent that you don't know character names, but if it is known, oh well, because the OP gives it anyways).
And yes, the first episode did run pretty fast. Though it's not overly paced, it's just that compared to the game it feels like you're holding the control button to accelerate the text sometimes.
Though, I must say the additional visual imagery (like walking around the school or town, which is normal), is quite neat, and makes sense. Not a feeling you can match from the game. And so if Kyoani can harness that effect, then the animation imagery would certainly merit a good strength.
The merging does feel weird though, even though the chronological area is correct, even if it's not necessarily in order.
So far so good, but there's practically a guarantee someone will find the momentum very weird. And friends I know who aren't into the genre, I don't see how the first episode would convince otherwise, meaning if clannad isn't a match of taste, then it probably wouldn't work (then again most other things wouldn't either).
I agree with you on alot of your points the pacing was a little off I was just so impressed by seeing them move around XD Also I'm looking to see how the story will blend together.
I agree with you on alot of your points the pacing was a little off I was just so impressed by seeing them move around XD Also I'm looking to see how the story will blend together.
Come to think of it, although I don't put much positive notation, I DID replay this episode a few times already and repeated some segments. So yes, it is enjoyable still (and this is just the raw.)
And yes, the movement is quite good. I think scenes that don't show Tomoya would have some obviousness, but every scene pretty much requires him to be there, which is the aspect not contained in the game because 3rd and 1st person aren't the same.
I'm still definitely happy at the potential. The initial equation seemed to match both AIR and Kanon, where you have directional progression with an introduction of 1 or 2 side characters. Did the first episode make me want to watch the second one? Oh yes, by far. While other series I'm not guaranteed to watch full way through, unless Clannad loses momentum, I am essentially guaranteed to watch it all like with Kanon.
Not really a spoiler, but Kyou and Tomoyo are more significant in terms of being around Tomoya in general. Most events that would run under the normal school days would involve Kyou and Tomoyo. This might be also why they're presented first. Although Nagisa is automatically met first in the game, you're also a delinquent that skips class, thus Kotomi is actually the second girl you can meet off the bat (unless Misae counts), but since it requires ditching classes, it's harder to incorporate so I'm not surprised they decided to use Kyou and Tomoyo since they're better for first impressions. Also, they would be seemingly popular given their personalities and actions as well, and are the initial flair for um, action, I guess. Thus I usually call them the best incorporated characters. And aside from Nagisa, I'd say these two are quite important to Tomoya. Well, Tomoyo more if Tomoyo After was applied, but it wouldn't be. And I actually think Kyou is the most important character to Tomoya simply because of initial familiarity and past sequences (though second year isn't mentioned anyways).
Now in a Fuuko context and a Kotomi context, they can also be incorporated, but their meetings are more on the individual spectrum, while Kyou and Tomoyo you can throw into a general event, or in Nagisa's route more easily because they are directly functional there while Fuuko and Kotomi are not. Including the meetings of Fuuko and Kotomi is the easy part, but with the weird merging of Kyou and Tomoyo into the first episode pacing wise, it's potentially a mess if you add Fuuko and Kotomi into the mix when one is ... well if I say that it blows everything ... and the other is an independent scenario and easy to incorporate but has nothing cohesive because she's not a part of anything besides her route.
Actually, Kotomi is possibly the worst main girl to use for first impression. Kyou and Tomoyo are easier to integrate, and are much better attention getters. Fuuko is very fun at least.
And then Miyazawa. Now I'm not sure what to say. Kyoani didn't show anything, just two scenes, and I'm not even sure of the doorway one.
Now, I also think the merging routes might make inconsistent personalities of Tomoya. Well, same person, so I guess that's not really true. But Yuuichi in Kanon did have slight issues with um massive change in sudden emotion or the like.
Hm I should have thought something about the VA's, that I could go "hey there's some of the main characters in Negima" or something (and other derivations, except I don't know of the other works). Well, I suppose VAing a game (that was voiceless initially too) and VAing an anime have massive differences, even if it's clearly the same person. Though it works both ways.
Well, I've been convinced the faster pace has its advantages. You can be more silly and put things like exaggerations more easily like complete fright (note: for humour). This couldn't really be done with Kanon.
The BGM matches were somewhat interesting. I mean it's like match per scene exactly like the game. O_o I don't think Kanon did the same thing (otherwise you'd have that happy jolly music everytime you see Nayuki, and I don't think Makoto's theme music was used that often either, etc). I still find it interesting, it's like character comes in "play!", scene transition "play!". Well, it's music to my ears, and the anime seemed to play it without much adjustment if any, so I liked it.
Still I played the first episode a couple of times already, and it's just the raw!
But yes, movement, art, lighting, and imagery, no complaints at all. My problem is, do people get what's going on? I get it because well, I played it (thus this is why the odd chronology shift is kind of weird, though it's not too bad since it IS part of the beginning).
But I guess the pacing is weird if it is anticipated to be 24. Sheesh, I would have thought they really needed 26, but they haven't done any number a multiple of 13 in a while. That also means they can't take 3 episodes per girl route like they did in Kanon (I'm expecting 2 per girl, or they might have to go into the route segmenting sooner, meaning this portion would go ultra fast. Not to forget, there are other characters, where some have better stories too.). So, I'm mind boggled, really. I'm anticipating lots of truncating, honestly. I don't think they'll do too much original content (er more like little additive that's a Kyoani taste. Lucky Star had piles of it because of it's capacity, but the KEY works hardly have any.).
Of course I probably forgot how long 24 episodes is too, since a lot can happen. But it's already faster than Kanon, so 24 episodes is certainly believable (if it were as fast/slow/normal paced as Kanon, 24 would not work, at all, there's just no way unless you totally forgo something).
If I ignore the pacing or the chronology differences to the game, it's not that bad. It establishes introduction to some characters, some things they do, the intent of direction, and leading into other characters.
I think the scary thing is that a lot of things already happened with the characters that were shown, but there are like, just as many that haven't been shown yet. @_@ Whoo, big pool of segmented events (actually I hope it's not as segmented as Kanon, or you totally take out a character for a long duration, yet if that isn't done it'll also have its issues by not doing so.)!
Nonetheless I'm satisfied considering the repetition of watching I already did.
toxic_trance
2007-10-05, 05:36
hmmm..k..i saw the RAW..waiting for subs since my Jap knowledge is minimal. Is it the RAW or is it the animation..but the animation quality seemed a bit inferior to normal Kyoto standards. Correct me if i am wrong please
Neway..sub is out..and more so...
searching for Eclipse
>.>
<.<
Doko??? Doko??
z3phyr.mp3
2007-10-05, 05:52
wow... philanthropy sure is working hard... to have the subs out already... just as i have my impressions ready... (http://atogofundake.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/clannad-01/)
i wonder which group will work on the 16:9 version...
anyways... great start for CLANNAD imo... the animation was amazing and the episode introduced the characters well while also leaving some mystery of some sort as what was shown in the last few seconds of the episode...
being a CLANNAD newbie, i hope i can avoid spoilers for the entire duration of the run...
luckyovermind
2007-10-05, 06:21
During the OP, as my heart swelled and I almost had to wipe tears from my eyes (especially during the running through the flower-field scene)
Although that holds true, don't you think that OP kinda spoils the story to come?:heh:
Anyway it doesn't really matter how rushed the first few episodes will be, as long as they did the later parts right.:D
Wow, the dictionary actually fly in a curve!:heh:
And Tomoyo-san, was that a 24-Hit or 36-Hit?:upset:
The ED nearly made me cry...:(
mickal555
2007-10-05, 06:35
Looks like there's already some subs out :D
As always I have no idea who to go with, I suck with decisions ><.
Bah..
wow... philanthropy sure is working hard... to have the subs out already... just as i have my impressions ready... (http://atogofundake.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/clannad-01/)
i wonder which group will work on the 16:9 version...
anyways... great start for CLANNAD imo... the animation was amazing and the episode introduced the characters well while also leaving some mystery of some sort as what was shown in the last few seconds of the episode...
being a CLANNAD newbie, i hope i can avoid spoilers for the entire duration of the run...
Thank god. I watched the 4:3. And first thing that crossed my mind was arrgg... it's not widescreen. But now that i heard there is a 16:9 version i'm a bit more at ease.
And i'm also new to Clannad, but i have been anticipating this one for awhile now. So hope to have nice discussion over here without seeing things i don't want to or should have seen. Gave the first episode a 8 out of the 10.
First episode. I got the one from philanthropy quality and subs seems ok. Than again my knowledge about Japanese is as good as nothing :p But so far a ok first episode. Cute girls left and right being introduced. And some mystery added at the end. Nothing to make me say superb. But certainly not bad.
I tried to watch the Philanthropy version, but unfortunately the subs are too fast. The translation seems fine, it just sucks having to pause every time someone speaks. Going to try out the Sprocket version next.
mickal555
2007-10-05, 06:53
I downloaded both, one off IRC one off bittorent.
First time actually using IRC to download something too, and only did cause I was idling in a room and one of the bots said:
[added] [Philanthropy-Sekai]_Clannad_01_(Xvid_640x480_SD)_[5436E859].avi - /msg Ashes|Green xdcc send #24
Woo hoo! I'll download that too then thanks ^^
Alas:
[21:48] -Ashes|Green- ** Closing Connection: Under Min Speed Requirement, 11.6K/sec is less than 20.0K/sec
[21:48] -Ashes|Green- Punish-ignore activated for mickal555 10 minutes
Boo. Bugger that for a lark.
Torrents to lead the way then. I'm getting 150K/s there anyway.
Okay I gave into my months of anticipation and watched Philanthropy/Sekai's 4:3 sub. I'll quickly go through my thoughts on the anime first and then talk a bit about the fansub itself.
I actually felt the pace of first episode was a bit fast during the first half but then slowed down to fit the mood after the super-awesome Tomoyo scene... LOL... The story was pretty much as I remembered from those chapters of the manga I read a while back with the exception of some scenes which I can't remember having read. The animation and art was perfect. Musical score choice was perfect, though let's hope they don't overuse the 渚 track too much. Tomoya's voicing was excellent. Kyou cracked me up as did Sunohara. The 4:3 aspect ratio irked me throughout the viewing so I really think I will be waiting until the 16:9 release is out before I continue. (That is if I can hold off the temptation)
Now onto the fansubs. I don't know if this is the correct place to voice my thoughts on this so I shall put it in spoilers for now.
I found that overall the translation was done to a satisfactory level, however some grammatical errors and spelling mistakes may have been picked up during a QC or editing process. The typesetting was a bit hard on the eyes as it seemed a bit jagged and was placed rather low down on the frame - sometimes it went out of the frame altogether. Otherwise, congrats on the speedy sub release.
First thing first - i would like for people to refrain from posting game to anime comparisons and what not, if possible. While not particularly spoilerish (though they have the potential to be) they can still reveal information someone would be willing to find out. There are other threads where you can safely discuss game related information.
That aside ... the first episode was an enjoyable one. Nice introduction of characters accompanied by high quality animation. Tomoya makes for a good, somewhat indifferent male lead. The opening theme seems to have retained the character names, much to my dismay ... can't help but feel it loses some of the artistic value in the process. Oh well - at least the first half of the OP is highly enjoyable, though i preferred Kanon OP to this ... it was much better for setting the mood.
Ryou is a truckload of cute and then some :) Somehow she reminds me of a more timid version of Shiori :heh: (The hairstyle doesn't help at all in this regard ^^). With my luck, this means she , probably, won't be getting much of screentime. :upset:
Kyou ... well, being prone to unprovoked violence does not exactly score a lot of points with me :heh: That said, at least she doesn't look like a plain tsundere, so there is room for good impressions as well. On a side note - doesn't she get in to trouble with the library for using books as heavy duty projectiles ? :P
Tomoyo ... the local school guardian ? :heh: Obviously not someone to mess with, but unlike Kyou doesn't look like someone to go around and attack people out of the blue either. Should be pretty fun to watch her, especially with the moronic Sunohara around :P Somehow i feel he will be wanting to prove his 'superiority' more than once :)
Nagisa ... absurdly cute, anyone ? :) I didn't know much about her, but the first episode placed her highly on my list. Best thing - unlike Ayu, Nagisa does not come across as a 12 year old :) (Both personality and looks wise). Though she does look lonely, and i bet her shy personality is not helping her on this regard. Her refusing to talk while she was eating was a surprise though :) And zomg - we have an anime where the parents are actually alive and kicking ... literally in this case ^^
I suppose next episode will focus on introducing more characters, which i am eager to see. While nothing particularly groundbreaking, the first episode was a very solid start to the series, even if somewhat 'rushed' with very abrupt scene changes. A solid 8/10
mickal555
2007-10-05, 07:48
Some random thoughts by a unviolated CLANNADee
* I like the names in the OP, I sometimes have trouble remembering peoples names, especially their last, although I wasn't expecting them to be in English. Whats up with that...
*This bun thing that nagasi likes, sounds a lot like tayaki :heh:
*Good fansub, noticed one tincy error, one word was missing a space, otherwise good timing, good translation, Nice to see all the signs and that translated and fast too :D.
*I think this is the first anime I've seen where they left the sponsors in and translated the message.
*Hey shouldn't wosname Galaxy-san be sitting one seat forward there in class :confused:
*ED is wack. Wtf.
*Can't wait the wide screen, though I do sometimes feel I'm missing something with them cause of the black bars...
All in all I enjoyed it very much, and eagerly await episode 2.
2H-Dragon
2007-10-05, 08:07
5 mins into the first ep. OMG HAIZ Kaname shouldn't you be doing FMP?! Not that I don't mind seeing you more though! :>
Wub the ATTAKO MOU! I want her to Moo more for me. <3
I know they look nothing a like, but blue hair same personality and the same voice. :D
Hope it doesn't work on my nerves.
edit; 8mins into it. It's Suzumiya Haruhi?! Not sure if it's the same VA though. :heh:
edit2; And 12 mins into it Haruhi Cloned herself?
edit3; Nvm It was a Ninja disguised as Haruhi
velocity7
2007-10-05, 08:16
Nah, that's not Haruhi. If it was, I would have facepalmed long ago. ;)
grey_moon
2007-10-05, 08:19
Oh wow, such a wonderful feeling to this show. For some reason I feel like Mizusu has been reincarnated...
The cut scenes seem so out of place compared to the light hearted nature of the characters, but in such a way that it blends in perfectly giving a mysterious feeling.
Love the ending the animation goes so well with the song.
I can't wait to see more, I think I'll watch it again :)
Big thumbs up atm, I have never played any of the Key games, but both Kanon and Air are in my top 5 all time favourite animes, I am wondering will Clannad barge its way up there too.
That.was.amazing. There is no question in my mind. Generally, when I anticipate something this much, I always am dissapointed. They did this beautifully. The beginning darkness to light was one of the best effects I've seen, and Tomoyo was just amazing! Spectators view=win. I'm liking this a lot.
Just from the first few minutes alone, i can't wait for the DVD's to go on sale --- Preordering now.
I hope this goes the way of blu-ray in the future. It's to beautiful not to.
IRJustman
2007-10-05, 08:28
Some random thoughts by a unviolated CLANNADee
*Can't wait the wide screen, though I do sometimes feel I'm missing something with them cause of the black bars...
Yeah, but that's only if your viewing area's 4:3. If you have a widescreen monitor or TV, then it makes a huge difference. Even nicer if you have a large projection screen in an auditorium and can fill it all!
All in all I enjoyed it very much, and eagerly await episode 2.
I think it's a safe bet that we're all in the same boat. :)
--Ian.
2H-Dragon
2007-10-05, 08:34
It was good even though I lol'd for all the wrong reasons.
I was just about to bet that both parents died in a car accident, just to find out the dad is still alive :O
My personal opinions:
i thought the pacing was pretty slow. The exciting / interesting /funny parts came in well, parts, eg. er ... *refers to OP* Kyou's butt in to 'save' her sister, tomoyo's ownage scene and the totally funny family dinner. In general however, it moved pretty slowly, though for this kind of story where it is focused on plot ( or so i think ) it is necessary to build up the plot slowly.
As for the ED, the first time i saw it it was pretty ridiculous... A family of dangos o.o Then i listened to it a few more times, and now it's on repeat in my playlist XD
Animation quality looks pretty good, as expected from a Kyoani production. I swear though, 16:9 would be so much better than 4:3, and the aspect ratio was seriously irritating. Though I'm not that kind of person who would go and download a entire episode just to see it in another ratio aspect usually, it would be quite interesting watching it 16: 9.
The story looks pretty intersting though. It seems as though it's touching on the so called "magical" realm alot more than kanon, with all that super fast kicks, things about different worlds etc. etc. and I'm looking forward to the next episode.
mickal555
2007-10-05, 08:39
Yeah, but that's only if your viewing area's 4:3. If you have a widescreen monitor or TV, then it makes a huge difference. Even nicer if you have a large projection screen in an auditorium and can fill it all!
I think it's a safe bet that we're all in the same boat. :)
--Ian.
Maybe I'll nick my mums monitor and hook it up to my graphics card so I have that duel screen thing. Although that may be even weirder ><. There'll be air in the middle...
The little girl at 6:07 sure seems to be a quality overkill :) Her movements are absurdly smooth ... 0_o
The little girl at 6:07 sure seems to be a quality overkill :) Her movements are absurdly smooth ... 0_o
That whole scene seemed computer rendered to the point it doesn't even fit in with the regular animation... :uhoh::heh:
Solafighter
2007-10-05, 09:05
Wow a nice beginning of this anime. :)
Cant wait for the next episode. :)
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-05, 09:10
A second viewing means I got acclimatised to the relatively fast pacing and can enjoy the story better.
First thing first - i would like for people to refrain from posting game to anime comparisons and what not, if possible. While not particularly spoilerish (though they have the potential to be) they can still reveal information someone would be willing to find out. There are other threads where you can safely discuss game related information.
Now, now, that's a bit too paranoid. You want to avoid being spoiled on what's not yet been shown in the Kyo-Ani adaptation, fair enough. But to not be able to compare what's already been shown is just...I don't know, I guess there is the game thread over there, but sometimes people would like to do things on an episode by episode basis, and where better than to do it in an episode-specific thread? But if you insist, I'll do my part. I never stick spoilers in places they don't belong anyway.
Ryou is a truckload of cute and then some :) Somehow she reminds me of a more timid version of Shiori :heh: (The hairstyle doesn't help at all in this regard ^^). With my luck, this means she , probably, won't be getting much of screentime. :upset:
What's not to like about Ryou? Timid younger twin sister, reminds me of someone, I wonder who it is (looks at own avatar), hmm...... :cool: (Of course, Ryou is more Shiori-like than Tsukasa-like. ) Pity her sister's the main girl while she's only a support character.
Nagisa ... absurdly cute, anyone ? :) I didn't know much about her, but the first episode placed her highly on my list. Best thing - unlike Ayu, Nagisa does not come across as a 12 year old :) (Both personality and looks wise). Though she does look lonely, and i bet her shy personality is not helping her on this regard. Her refusing to talk while she was eating was a surprise though :) And zomg - we have an anime where the parents are actually alive and kicking ... literally in this case ^^
Not only does Nagisa gets along well with her folks, I noticed she inherited both her parents' ahoge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahoge) as well as their optimism.
I bet that Taniguchi look-alike is voiced by Shiraishi Minoru wwww
Checked the credits, sure enough, Shiraishi IS there, credited as "Male Classmate".
grey_moon
2007-10-05, 09:16
The spectators view v our view of the fight was just class :)
Shiori-chan
2007-10-05, 09:22
haven't played the game of this anime, but once I saw the first minutes, I already had the WOW feeling I also had with kanon2006 and air.
The first episode really gives me a reason to watch the second and the rest, it just reminds me at the previous named anime becuz of the style. Also I dont know anything from the story yet but still u wanna know more about the maincharacters ^^
10/10 kyoto animation <3
FireChick
2007-10-05, 09:29
Apparently Minoru Shiraishi is back!;)
I'm happy to see that wonderful drink Misuzu loves, has returned.
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/2633/01nl7.jpg
Ascaloth
2007-10-05, 09:34
Watched the TWH-Sprocket sub; I will be getting the Eclipse one for purposes of image retrieval. Did KyoAni put nitrous oxide on the plot or something? :twitch:
That aside, I like the way it was handled. It's only the first episode, yet CLANNAD is already feeling very different from the way AIR or Kanon felt. I attest most of it to Tomoya's self-narration, but mostly to all the things I don't remember KyoAni having previously used in the previous KEY adaptations; time slips and flashbacks and lightning/fire backgrounds and speed lines and whatnot.
Well, at least now we know what exactly KyoAni tried the Anime Tencho/Tomokazu Sugita battle of wills for. :p
I'll say more in the upcoming RIUVA post, when I've gotten the Eclipse .mkv
mickal555
2007-10-05, 09:35
Apparently Minoru Shiraishi is back!;)
May the gods have mercy on us all.
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-05, 09:37
Apparently Minoru Shiraishi is back!;)
Not directed at you, but don't you just hate it when nobody reads your post? Especially when it happens to be at the bottom of the last page. Lately I'm suffering from this "Ignored Last Post of Page Syndrome". :D
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1183411&postcount=100
DragoonKain3
2007-10-05, 09:55
Made of win, from the very first scene. I mean, I was 'OMFG! The way they presented that was great', and this is especially highlited since I read the same scene in the manga.
Kyou? Unimpressive, as I expected from my very little experience in manga. I only really like her because I think her chara design is da bomb. And yeah, the fact that Tomoya is on a first name basis with her (without honorifics, no less!) and not her sister, despite them being in different classes, raises points with me in the 'very good friend' department. Might be a false alarm though, I'll see.
Sunohara? ROTFLMAO funny. Oh god, my stomach still hurts. Reminds me a lot of Kitagawa from Kanon, and that's a good thing, since I loved Kitagawa.
Tomoyo? Farking.. kick.. ass... especially her scene beating them delinquents.
Nagisa? Best acted out of them all IMO. Nakahara in that voice is just amazing, IMO. And for some reason, my Osana-Najimi detector is going haywire after seeing the scene after the one where Tomoya was bullying Sunohara. It might be a false alarm though, I guess I'll only find out later on. XD
Ascaloth
2007-10-05, 09:59
Sunohara? ROTFLMAO funny. Oh god, my stomach still hurts. Reminds me a lot of Kitagawa from Kanon, and that's a good thing, since I loved Kitagawa.
From the little I've heard about Sunohara, I would hazard a guess that he's the kind of character Kitagawa should have been. ;)
Now don't start telling me that I've spoiled you or anything! I know about as much as you do, and to be perfectly honest, I'm afraid to debate with you after seeing the little tiff you had with houko-dono. :heh:
mickal555
2007-10-05, 10:02
I dunno about him, but you've spoiled me!
Bah. You monster.
FireChick
2007-10-05, 10:04
I saw Clannad and...(bursts out laughing)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That was SOOOOOOOOOO HILARIOUS!!! Oh my flipping gosh I was cracking up soooooooooooo hard from Youhei being beaten up by all those muscled people! I could see his pink undies too!:D:D:D:D:D And...OH MY GOD KYOU PWNS!!! She sent a dictionary FLYING out the window! Oh my gosh I'M WATCHING THIS HANDS DOWN!!!:D:D:D Nagisa is so cute! Her voice isn't like Karin's (Kamichama Karin) but what the hey I love it anyway! Tomoyo PWNS also!!:heh::D:D
Klashikari
2007-10-05, 10:06
Nagisa is voiced by Nakaharai Mai, who indeed voiced Karin (Kamichama karin), but also Rena (Higurashi no Naku Koro ni), Teana (Mahou shoujo Lyrical nanoha strikers), Mai (Mai-hime/Mai-Otome), Aono (sola), etc. For more information, check this link (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=438).
A very fitting voice for Nagisa i believe, and has made efforts to not sound like Karin or Rena :)
I must say I was pleasantly surprised. I was expecting to be dissapointed, and expected it to be a have-to-crawl-through series (because everyone's watching it, I don't wanna be left out :heh:), but it really seems to be better than Kanon (which just bored me to death. I prefer anime to have a faster pace). Hope it doesn't dissapoint me later.
and the ending soooo cute! <3
Alexandrite
2007-10-05, 10:24
I'm glad that my excitement over this series is justified. I've been waiting for this title anxiously since the end of Kanon. ^_^
Some points on the series for me:
* Somewhat different comedy than was used in Kanon and Air. I like it! And Youhei is hilarious.
* Nagisa: Adorable, and her habit of naming foods for encouragement is different, but odd (yay!). Her family is also very strange, but they're hilarious and at least we get to see more living parents this time around.
* Tomoyo: I'm curious about why the sequel game to Clannad is focused on her, but I imagine that will become more apparent as the series goes on. It's also kind of fun to see a girl trashing the "tough guys" around her (kick of death!)
* Kyou: Two violent girls at the same time? Poor Tomoya. I'm honestly surprised that Ryou isn't one of the selectable character paths in the game. Kind of reversed of the Misaka sisters (books of death!)
* The ending is... weird. Cute, but weird.
Looking over the list of characters, I'm waiting for Kotomi's introduction. Bookworm that's voiced by Mamiko Noto? I already like Nodoka, I don't think it will be hard for me to like her as well, though I'm aware that there will be personality differences.
And now to wait (impatiently) for episode two. :D
being a CLANNAD newbie, i hope i can avoid spoilers for the entire duration of the run...
Me too. But i know now more things that was "changed" from the Game into Anime, that i like it...
Edgewalker
2007-10-05, 11:21
Good first ep. I can see that unless kyo screws up horribly this will be at least as good as kanon.
LOL @ machine gun kick.
velocity7
2007-10-05, 11:25
* Tomoyo: I'm curious about why the sequel game to Clannad is focused on her, but I imagine that will become more apparent as the series goes on. It's also kind of fun to see a girl trashing the "tough guys" around her (kick of death!)
* Kyou: Two violent girls at the same time? Poor Tomoya. I'm honestly surprised that Ryou isn't one of the selectable character paths in the game. Kind of reversed of the Misaka sisters (books of death!)
I'm very concerned about if Tomoyo can even get her own route, let alone Tomoyo After...
And Ryou does have a "route", if you can even call it that... but you don't get a light...
The following is based on [Sprocket]'s fansub.
Quick Thoughts on Ep01:
---- ----
Ghost? Given the nature of this show (where foreshadowing is not so much subtly shown through sleight of hand, but rammed down your throat and beaten through your skull), I think it is a foregone conclusion that one of the girls is a wandering spirit... but which one?
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Oh no... Nagisa has a body so frail that she had to skip an entire year of school? Given that this is Key we are dealing with, odds are now 50:50 that Nagisa will perish in an epic finale of chest-thumping wailing and eye-tearing lamentations.
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I laughed at the "Bird Eye's View" during Tomoyo's fight with the Biker Thugs. Referring to the passing bird that was shown while the thugs were in mid-air.
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The level of detail in Tomoyo's kicks was insane. If you have the time and means, do check out every single frame of the sequence. It is very, very detailed; almost to the point of "What The Hell For?!"
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The kitty must have some meaning...
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Go figure that the only "pantsu shot" in this episode is Sunohara's...
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Intersection closed due multiple accidents? Hmm... we have Tomoya's mother and the ghost girl. Wonder if it is the same intersection as *insert spoiler* :heh: Key-fans should know what I am talking about. :p
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Warming up to Nagisa here. Tomoyo remains a favourite, while the rest are still pending.
Cheers.
So the first episode has already aired. I'm awfully behind the schedule. Hope to watch it today
mickal555
2007-10-05, 11:39
The following is based on [Sprocket]'s fansub.
Quick Thoughts on Ep01:
---- ----
Ghost? Given the nature of this show (where foreshadowing is not so much subtly shown through sleight of hand, but rammed down your throat and beaten through your skull), I think it is a foregone conclusion that one of the girls is a wandering spirit... but which one?
.
Oh no... Nagisa has a body so frail that she had to skip an entire year of school? Given that this is Key we are dealing with, odds are now 50:50 that Nagisa will perish in an epic finale of chest-thumping wailing and eye-tearing lamentations.
.
I laughed at the "Bird Eye's View" during Tomoyo's fight with the Biker Thugs. Referring to the passing bird that was shown while the thugs were in mid-air.
.
The level of detail in Tomoyo's kicks was insane. If you have the time and means, do check out every single frame of the sequence. It is very, very detailed; almost to the point of "What The Hell For?!"
.
The kitty must have some meaning...
.
Go figure that the only "pantsu shot" in this episode is Sunohara's...
.
Intersection closed due multiple accidents? Hmm... we have Tomoya's mother and the ghost girl. Wonder if it is the same intersection as *insert spoiler* :heh: Key-fans should know what I am talking about. :p
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Warming up to Nagisa here. Tomoyo remains a favourite, while the rest are still pending.
Cheers.
Bam!
Banned
Quick Thoughts on Ep01:
Aw don't be so quick to apply that good ol' Key standard. :heh: Sharp observations though.
I'm probably the only person in the world who still uses a 4:3 monitor (21"), so I'm actually happy that a 4:3 version exists. :heh:
I better go before I unintentionally spoil anything, since I'm notorious for that. ^^;
Solafighter
2007-10-05, 11:48
I hope, there will be some HD versions as well. :) :rolleyes:
Calawain
2007-10-05, 11:53
I have never played the game and I tried to avoid reading anything about the story at all before I watched it, and it's been a great help. I felt the first episode did a great job for a series kick off, and was beautifully animated. Motions were smooth, backgrounds and characters were very detailed. Content wise it had well done character introductions and some humor thrown in there (eternal->ethanol for one).
Kyo-Ani seems to always cast the best seiyus for their shows, and this seems to be no exception. I've never heard of the male lead before, but he seemed to be decent as far as harem leads go. I'm really excited about Mai Nakahara and Mamiko Noto as main heroines and the supporting types such as Kikuko Inoue. And they actually found a way to include Minoru Shiraishi in there as well, who is always amusing to listen to. I have high hopes for the voice acting in the show.
outlaw97
2007-10-05, 11:59
Arrrgh, the question is, can I wait three weeks for the widescreen version...Skimming over the impressions in this thread is NOT helping that wait :heh:
velocity7
2007-10-05, 12:00
Kyo-Ani seems to always cast the best seiyus for their shows, and this seems to be no exception.
The seiyuus are from the PS2 game, so there's no casting work they really did, lol >_>
Klashikari
2007-10-05, 12:05
well... that depend, there are many instances that some studio just picks other seiyuu instead of the original ones from games and/or DramaCD.
*yeh? who said lucky star? :heh:
Meophist
2007-10-05, 12:10
Ghost? Given the nature of this show (where foreshadowing is not so much subtly shown through sleight of hand, but rammed down your throat and beaten through your skull), I think it is a foregone conclusion that one of the girls is a wandering spirit... but which one?I'm not too sure. It might be more similar to what "Ayu"(the other Ayu) was for most of Kanon, except for the entire series this time.
I can't wait till the next episode >_>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
toxic_trance
2007-10-05, 12:43
Finally see the Philan version..damn the college fest..keepin me busy enough to actually not see Clannad Sub >.<
Will see TWH version soon.
As for the episode...as usual a grreat opening by KyoAni but somehow lacks the impact of AIR and KANON. Plus..dunno why..but the animation seems not of the normal KyoAni standard. Something wrong with my eyes i guess.
The Lead seems a good one only in the end. In the starting..dont find him exceptional..but with his otou-san issues..seems like Key just might have pulled off another great Harem lead.
Girls are great.The opening is simply too awesome. The first scene with Nagisa is spectacular. Tomoyo kicks ass. Kyou is awesome..no one throws a book like her :P. Kyou's imouto is uber Kawaii..too bad she isnt in the main cast :(
Its funny how u I saw three harems today..and CLANNAD simply proves its superiority from Ep 01. The other two I see are Da Capo and Myself; Yourself. From introduction of girls to plot...its funny how Key always manages to be so different and Superior.
Anyway..even if the first ep lacks impact of AIR and KANON... it still deserves a 9.5/10 which i ll round to 9. Definitely worth the wait. Hoping for the 16:9 release..and Eclipse...WHERE ARE U :'(
Meophist
2007-10-05, 12:46
Something I just noticed: The food that what's-her-name mentions is what she ends up eating next.
Anpan, then Hambaagu.
Julius Firefocht
2007-10-05, 12:49
This first episode is scary, I found myself hooked 10 seconds into the show. Yes, I had high expectations for CLANNAD, but KyoAni has met or exceeded eveyone of my expectations.
Tomoyo is definitely my favourite girl for now, with Nagisa a close second. Her kicks are just awesome!
This looks like it'll be one amazing series, as always, KyoAni brings us stunning visual and gorgeous girls, wrapped in what looks to be a promising story. Excellent first episode, 9/10.
Nagisa's father was hilarious, I hope he'll get some more screentime soon. ^^
Oh no... Nagisa has a body so frail that she had to skip an entire year of school? Given that this is Key we are dealing with, odds are now 50:50 that Nagisa will perish in an epic finale of chest-thumping wailing and eye-tearing lamentations.
I'm gonna write this down, and come back to 'nice boat' you if it comes true. :3
The level of detail in Tomoyo's kicks was insane. If you have the time and means, do check out every single frame of the sequence. It is very, very detailed; almost to the point of "What The Hell For?!"
/me waits for news on BEHIND THE SCENES FOOTAGE on the first DVD.
It's needed i tell you.
Ascaloth
2007-10-05, 13:48
Okay, finished my blog post on Episode 01:
[RIUVA][Ascaloth] CLANNAD (TV), Episode 01 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=747)
Note: Do NOT go to this link if you have not seen this episode!!!
At first i was like "Fuko or didn't happen" but at the end i liked the episode. Great quality, smooth animation, etc. 9/10
LolitaDecay
2007-10-05, 14:40
Wow, just wow.
I'm speechless and hooked.
Well done KyoAni!
Mirrinus
2007-10-05, 14:41
You guys have no clue how horrible you're making me feel, as I'm unable to watch this episode due to computer problems and stuff. Looks pretty sweet so far, from what I've seen and heard.
We already have references at first episode :D
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1198/clannad01vo1.jpg
Misuzu's concentred fruit drink (I think it was, don't remember correctly). BTW, Sunohana (is his name, right?) FTW :D
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/7383/clannad02ki6.jpg
At the right. Choco-cornet~
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/959/clannad03kp7.jpg
Nagisa's suit. ED reference.
Love the ED theme.
You guys have no clue how horrible you're making me feel, as I'm unable to watch this episode due to computer problems and stuff. Looks pretty sweet so far, from what I've seen and heard.
I'm incredibly tempted to download and watch it, but I'm holding back for the wide-screen version. You're not alone in your CLANNAD-lessness. ;)
Ashlotte
2007-10-05, 15:07
Well I specifically have avoided spoilers and tried to keep my expectations as normal as possible walking into this...
So with that said...Loved the characters but the pacing was abit on the iffy side. The episode just didnt quite flow too nicely is the word id go for...
But putting that aside it was a quite enjoyable episode and tomoya going chun-li on those guys made the episode wholey worth watching by and in itself. :p
So heres hoping hat the pacing evens out abit and that our lovely subbers will put out a higher res version because the animation quality on this one deserves no less. ;)
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/1198/clannad01vo1.jpg
Misuzu's concentred fruit drink (I think it was, don't remember correctly). BTW, Sunohana (is his name, right?) FTW :D
I mentioned that a page (or two) back. :3
i want to give it a 10.. but i just can't, the pacing is very fast in this episode one (well we're talking about clannad here anyway, but still..)
but seriously kyoani, how in the world do you do such amazing animations, omg, seriously, the sakura petals, the transition from not so colorful to colorful background, gee, and the timing for BGM to kick in.., Tomoyo's scene (what the..) they are just perfect *dies from massive ownage
i really hope only few starting episodes will have this kind of pacing, i don't feel comfortable with this kind of pacing, everything just seem so rushed.
But hey, lets just enjoy this show = )
btw, which one is the taniguchi look-alike? can someone pinpoint me in what timeframe that guy appear?
Misuzu's concentred fruit drink (I think it was, don't remember correctly). BTW, Sunohana (is his name, right?) FTW :D
At the right. Choco-cornet~
Nagisa's suit. ED reference.
-It's Sunohara. Remember it, since he'll go down in anime history as the funniest male support character ever.
-They look like hot dog rolls to me. Thank you Akio-san for something normal. ^^;
-The dango thing is actually something relevant to the story, and will become especially important later on.
-It's Sunohara. Remember it, since he'll go down in anime history as the funniest male support character ever.
-They look like hot dog rolls to me. Thank you Akio-san for something normal. ^^;
-The dango thing is actually something relevant to the story, and will become especially important later on.
Lol yea :D sunohara really did entertain me in the game i was laughing so hard everytime he goes "EEEKKK"
I mentioned that a page (or two) back. :3
Ah, sorry. I was to lazy to read page by page, post by post, sentence by sentence, word by word, letter by letter... Uh oh :uhoh:
btw, which one is the taniguchi look-alike? can someone pinpoint me in what timeframe that guy appear?
That's Sunohara :D
-It's Sunohara. Remember it, since he'll go down in anime history as the funniest male support character ever.
-The dango thing is actually something relevant to the story, and will become especially important later on.
- Thanks :D I'll be remembering his name. He's better than Minorun :heh:
- Now you made me curious ><
dragon5152
2007-10-05, 15:16
I liked Clannad. I thought the first episode was interesting.
Hopefully it'll be another nice anime by the same people who brought us other epic anime's :)
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Stuff about Philanthropy/Sekai's release:
Thanks for the feedback on the release (feedback is good :p).
I work at Philanthropy/Sekai.
We got it out fast (for once :D, even beat eclipse) but I know there were errors.
Was in a bit of a rush this morning with RL crap, so some stuff might have gotten through.
I encode and do some QCing before release.
I'll see about slowing down the subs if they're too fast. If thats not possible, read faster :p
It was the first episode, some problems did exist so hopefully by next week (or whenever it airs) all the bugs will be sorted out.
Also we are doing the 16:9 version too if you're wondering. If it airs in HD, we'll do that too.
Hah! It's only the first episode and I already find myself sucked into the world (and desiring the soundtrack!).
However...I have this horrible suspicion that everything is going to end badly [for some of the characters]. Even from the first episode, a suspicious eye can catch all sorts of puzzling "this is not normal school life!" hints. And I'm not talking about that gravity defying dictionary. :D
I look forward to seeing what sorts of crazy curveballs Key/Kyo-Ani throws. :)
OceanBlue
2007-10-05, 15:31
Haha, that was a great way to introduce some of the characters. This really does start with a more comedic note than Kanon.
Tomoyo's fight was amusing. I like how they show two views of it [I actually laughed at it, since it was so ironic].
I guess what people are saying about the pacing is right, but it's the first episode, so I won't be too over-reactive on it.
ipernorris
2007-10-05, 15:58
Can you guys explain me the parallel world thing? Besides if there is no time and space how can a girl LIVE there? :rolleyes:
I have a feeling this will be another "on crack" series...
OceanBlue
2007-10-05, 16:02
Can you guys explain me the parallel world thing? Besides if there is no time and space how can a girl LIVE there? :rolleyes:
I have a feeling this will be another "on crack" series...
Most of Key's works have been well done, so I'm not sure this will be one of those "on crack" series. Plus, people have stated that the Clannad game had a good storyline, so I'm assuming that it's explained.
sakuravs
2007-10-05, 16:03
Hey what are the video resolution when you guys watched it? I'm just finish dl & see that the video is in 4:3 (640 x 480) ratio isntead of the common 16:9...I wonder what's wrong with the raw source.
Klashikari
2007-10-05, 16:05
There is nothing wrong with the source.
It has been announced from quite a while it will be aired in 4:3.
BS-I will air it in 16/9, only 3 weeks later.
Hey what are the video resolution when you guys watched it? I'm just finish dl & see that the video is in 4:3 (640 x 480) ratio isntead of the common 16:9...I wonder what's wrong with the raw source.
The 16:9 will be aired at October 23.
sakuravs
2007-10-05, 16:09
Will that include the re-airing of epi.1 as well, or only for later episodes?
After Air and Kanon, I'm very, VERY excited about this series, and the first episode didn't dissapoint.
Having zero spoilers so far (and hoping to avoid them, like I was unable to do with Kanon... yeah, the "intersection" scene I'd had spoiled), I'm really excited about being surprised about everything. I'm a little worried, however, that the pace might be rushed. I didn't feel a rushed pace here, but knowing how Air felt in the middle of the series due to its limited number of episodes, I figure the longer, more complex Clannad might end up the same way in its 24 episode run.
I'm eager to play through the visual novel, but I'm going to try to avoid ALL references to it until the series is done. I was saddened by some omissions in Air, and outraged by some unnecessary omissions in Kanon... and I don't want to feel that way until the series is done and I find out for myself.
Notes:
- 4:3 makes me grind my teeth. I can tell that I'm missing a tremendous amount of the picture, but the idea of waiting for the 16:9 version doesn't appeal to me, nor will I necessary have time to watch it twice. The video looks too good to be an NTSC broadcast, so why the HECK are we looking at 4:3?!
- Western name order makes me hurt on the inside. At the very least the game OP had their names in Japanese on top of the roman letters, but it's not here. Bad Kyoani!
- Kyou shows off the Kyoani Bounce. High quality, realistic, and subtle... But ever-so-noticable. (Gainax's seem to be higher quality and more realistic, too, but they definitely make a point of it when it's there.)
- I really like this remix for the OP. The original actually had some moments where it sounded like it was a cheesy remix of another song, but this mix does the original more than justice.
- Hey, it's Jun! No, wait, of course it isn't. I swear, they must be related. :P
- Kyou is supposed to be one of the primary characters, but in her presentation in this episode makes her seems like a secondary character to her sister. Weird. Speaking of her sister Ryou, though... What a moe voice!
- Hey, Keroppi!! How did you guys miss this? :D
- The number of familiar voices is actually kind of distracting, but they're so great I don't care!
- I can already tell that this is like "Kanon Lite", but I'm left wondering just how supernatural the story might be, if it is at all.
- At the beginning of the episode, the melody struck me. It was very strange--almost as though it were heart piercing. It was also familiar. I couldn't place it until the ED played. That explains the familiarity, since I'd seen the ED on a preview. Still, I can't explain how such a simple melody that isn't attached to any previous experience could have such an effect on me. The original is sweet and haunting, and the ED song is just plain... addictive.
I'm loving it so far. If I hadn't seen Kanon, I'd be scratching my head a bit, wondering if it was actually good or not, but Kyoani has proven to me where they can take something like this. That means I can enjoy each episode for what it is and not spend my energy pondering what the early episodes imply about the series as a whole.
Wow just watched subs and I almost wanted to cry, when all the Nagisa parts came up and she was talking with Tomoya. I know might be too early , but what the hell. I really expect to bawling like a little baby at the end.
We got it out fast (for once :D, even beat eclipse) [...]
Naaah. The expected speed kings were our friends from TWH-Sprocket, they were consistently faster than us for Kanon, too ;) ... I doubt we'll be able to enter your race and go at our normal pace.
Today the release was a bit later than usual, but we have to juggle alot of projects lately...
relentlessflame
2007-10-05, 17:05
Will that include the re-airing of epi.1 as well, or only for later episodes?It'll start at episode 1 and air weekly. So basically, the widescreen version will always be three weeks after the episode airs in 4:3.
I have a question. Does this story invovle super supernatural powers or is it a regular highschool life story?
I can see I'm going to end up downloading each episode twice. Once in 4:3 for ASAP gratification, and three weeks later in widescreen to enjoy again...
That's provided the 'subbers do the widescreen version. Fingers crossed!
OceanBlue
2007-10-05, 17:53
Sprocket & TWH already said that they were going to do a widescreen version, so you don't have to worry about that too much.
DanielSong39
2007-10-05, 18:00
After Episode 1...
Kyoto Animation's best effort to date? Blows Kanon out of the water and I'd say it tops AIR TV as well. It had some weaknesses but no doubt that it had a lot going for it. Some quick impressions:
- A huge upgrade from Kanon when it comes to music, scripting, and animation. The music fits the mood well, the script is mostly well done (No one-phrase girls with mental illnesses in this one), and the art goes beyond superficial gloss. From a production point of view it's quite pleasing.
- Real chemistry between the leads. Their relationship is established right away, and they hit it off from the start. Nice touch to bring in Nagisa's family into the mix early; it's a rarity for the family to get involved in dating sims and it really adds another dimension to the story.
- Promising direction. Immediately, major themes start to emerge and the story starts to take shape. The first two minutes of the show sets the tone, and the drama is handled quite well. And seeing Tomoya's father at the end takes things up another notch.
- OP. Very good. Not sure whether it tops AIR TV's "Tori no Uta", but a solid effort.
The not so good:
- The episode gets messy in the middle. Sometimes it felt like watching a clip show of "random scenes from the game"... complete with the visual novel transitions.
- The comedy. Didn't find the random comic bits funny at all. It seemed like they went for the punchline before making the proper buildup.
- Undeveloped side characters. No one aside from Nagisa, Tomoya, and their families even remotely interested me.
- The ED.
Overall? Good enough to keep watching; Tomoya's issues with his dad, as well as Nagisa and her crazy family, are the reasons I'm looking forward to the next episode. Not as interested in Tomoyo's 64-hit combo, Kyou's 5-hit combo, or Tomoya's friend getting beat up in 7 different ways. So far I'd rate it a 6.5/10, a hair behind Myself, Yourself, and 10 miles ahead of D.C. II.
Kyogissun
2007-10-05, 18:03
Z-Oh-My-God
Finally got around to watching, simply amazing.
I have my commentary on the episode currently being worked on in a blog post on my RvB profile, but suffice to say, this episode was both eye candy and brain candy for me.
Brain candy for the slightly trippy feel and strange blurbs of humor and eye candy because OH MY FREAKING GOD KyoAni sold their souls to make this look so good.
I mean seriously, throughout the whole thing, half of the time all I could think was, "The colors... So... pretty..."
These days, it's really freaking hard for me to be blown away visually when it comes to anime but good lord, this was just amazing. @_@
That's all, just wanted to throw in my obligatory "I saw it, I loved it" comment :D
Omniscient
2007-10-05, 18:07
Undeveloped side characters. No one aside from Nagisa, Tomoya, and their families even remotely interested me.
Isn't it a bit too early to be calling the side characters undeveloped? This is only the first episode.
DanielSong39
2007-10-05, 18:11
I guess "bland" would be a better term to describe them. There is room for improvement, to be sure, but I just didn't find most of the side characters appealing. Except Nagisa's parents, of course - now that was comedy gold.
Why do gangsters and delinquents in anime always have afros? :p
Omfgbbqwtf
2007-10-05, 18:42
hm.. mediocre episode. Pretty good start. Pretty slow paced, introducing some of the characters in the anime. Animation quality is pretty good and the characters are interesting. It is only the first episode, so... I guess we will have to wait and see if it can be another great anime.
Kyogissun
2007-10-05, 18:56
hm.. mediocre episode. Pretty good start. Pretty slow paced, introducing some of the characters in the anime. Animation quality is pretty good and the characters are interesting. It is only the first episode, so... I guess we will have to wait and see if it can be another great anime.
*gasp* MEDIOCRE?! HOW DARE YOU! D< *enter crazy fan mode*
To each his own of course, the eye candy that is the amazing animation quality of the first episode made up for the lack of development in all charaters, especially considering that it's just the first episode. >o>
I'm sure by episode 3, 4 or 5 we'll have everything started off and all the chess pieces will be set and the "game" (Plot) can begin progression.
....But seriously, although my eyes felt like they were about to bleed, it was a good kind of bleeding, the kind that happens when you bleed because you picked off a scab that was itching like the fires of hell. D;
toxic_trance
2007-10-05, 19:02
As much as I respect TWH and Philantropy-Sekai..but it is a great relief to see SS_Eclipse doing this ^_^
MonkeyDude
2007-10-05, 19:14
Clueless as to what Clannad is all about, but I found the episode to be very entertaining. I think people are too overcritical considering that this is only the very first episode. Isn't it better for things to start out slow then build things up? Bash it when the ending doesn't meet to your expectations, not when it only airs its first episode.
As much as I loved Kanon2006, animation there just pales in comparison to Clannad...and this is just the first episode too! Maybe kyoani will give us even more eye candy once haruhi and fmp rolls out? ;-)
Is it just me or does Tomoya look eerily like Makoto from School Days?...
Hope Clannad doesn't end up the same way xD
DanielSong39
2007-10-05, 19:29
Is it just me or does Tomoya look eerily like Makoto from School Days?...
Hope Clannad doesn't end up the same way xD
From a certain angle, Nagisa looks like Sekai (shudders)...
I'll go out on a limb and predict that we won't have a "Nice Boat" ending, however.
Is it just me or does Tomoya look eerily like Makoto from School Days?...
Hope Clannad doesn't end up the same way xD
People seriously need to stop saying things like that for each anime adaptation that's airing at the moment. D:
sakuravs
2007-10-05, 19:35
I have a question. Does this story invovle super supernatural powers or is it a regular highschool life story?
I think one of the hallmark of Key's games (e.g, Air & Kanon), is that behind a seemingly regular school life story, there's always a supernatural & metaphysical aspect that has a reciprocal role in shaping the story as it proceeds, but it is usually not explicitly expressed throughout the story, though. However, one can employ it to examine, explain & fully understand the story in various ways, depend on his/her perspectives. After playing the game, I think the story of Clannad, too, is not an exception to this principle.
OtaKrack
2007-10-05, 19:48
Damm that was one great first episode, Looks like ive found my new main Anime fix . Congrats for Kyoanime for producing yet another awesome series:D
Kaioshin Sama
2007-10-05, 19:48
The first episode of almost every major animation production always looks amazing. Plus a lot of studios are spoiling the fans rotten with good animation this year. Anime has all but officially gone Hollywood in 2007.
That said, I don't know, this first episode felt quite a bit like your eroge conversion opener. Not terribly surprised as I actually read up on Clannad beforehand (shhhhhhhhh...). I somehow expected a bit more though, I know fans in Japan prefer a sense of familiarity to their scenarios in games in anime, but geez. The characters are fairly familiar too from the sickly and disgustingly cutesy Nagisa (annoying, must every girl in a Key game have some strange thing that they say to reflect their current mood. I guess it's alright though because she's currently the most loli character), to the tough as nails Tomoyo (Who seems like she belongs in an entirely different game entirely, possibly Big Bang Age) , right down to the cool guy wanna be Youhei with jailbait sister (reminds me of like every school themed eroge I've ever played where the main character has a homie) who I also find annoying in his desperate attempts to be cool while looking like Quatre Raberba Winner. His pretty boy character design kind of clashes with his personality as well. Whatever, guy deserved what came to him. Our main dude, Tomoya also reminds me of Kamille Bidan from Zeta Gundam, both in terms of personality and situation, not to mention the crazy newtype fantasy stuff.Not to mention he kind of shares Kamille's destiny to never be allowed to be happy and for every female figure in his life that's important to him to be cruelly taken away from him. None of the other characters introduced thus far had much of an impact on me.
Anyway, so the characters are stock, no biggy, there's always room to build a little, and you can't blame a genre for being true to itself. What interests me is the overarching concepts going in the show. Tons of paths to take. That is the essence of the visual novel after all, the branching opportunities.
To summarize my first impression of Clannad TV:
+Nice Animation
+Intriguing elements beneath the surface of the plot.
-Stock characters who don't seem overly interesting, one of which is an almost unbearable ass.
-Feels to familiar for it's own good.
-Slapstick Comedy just isn't very funny.
+/- Wants to be deep, but the awkard balance between comedy and the obvious trauma that Tomoya carry's with him doesn't reflect any specific mood. In a word, it's a little manic and fast paced, without a strong focus to define the series for it's opener. That's alright though as I've seen a number of series remain undefined for the first few episodes.
In closing: Holy Smokes does this remind me of a Yoshiyuki Tomino anime.
Ashlotte
2007-10-05, 20:11
I can see I'm going to end up downloading each episode twice. Once in 4:3 for ASAP gratification, and three weeks later in widescreen to enjoy again...
That's provided the 'subbers do the widescreen version. Fingers crossed!
Yea im probably going to wind up the same way...On one hand im impatient, but on the other the animation in this show is just begging to be watched in widescreen...
Either way getting back to the actual episode...Im going to go out on a limb here and say that nagisa is supposed to be the heroine which I was alittle bit disappointed in...Was kinda hoping to get a more willfull non-sick lead...
Guess key doesnt believe in creating drama with girls who arent dying or otherwise ill in the main role. :heh:
Seen episode 1....
--> That was a good start for an episode. Okazaki's sarcastic attitude, Nagisa's sweet natured personality....I guess opposite force do attract each other hm? It was amusing to watch Nagisa's parents. They're very......unique in a way. The ED gave me a :twitch: impression at first but it kinda grew on me later on.
Whoa... just woke up and noticed another 2 pages of posts here already.
Good to see Eclipse-SS doing CLANNAD (as I expected ;)). I'm also going to state my appreciation for those groups who are willing to go the extra distance and provide subs for the 16:9 as well as the 4:3 releases. Thanks a lot guys and girls.
As for the episode itself, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I might have slightly overhyped myself up for this episode. It still turned out great as expected, but I really am still lost at the pace of the episode and the scene transitions, as someone else already mentioned before.
The ED gave me a :twitch: impression at first but it kinda grew on me later on.
Yay it is. It's quite cute~
Jerseykid
2007-10-05, 21:19
Some strange stuff that I always feel like it's too tough to wrap my mind around but a very well animated and enjoyable start.
Sorrow-K
2007-10-05, 21:36
Interesting start. While I may have gone Key-fanboy-mode in the lead up to this, the slow start has kinda brought me back to earth, which is good, since I can take this opportunity to judge the anime with the same lens I judge every anime, and just call things how I see it.
What I didn't like was the slapstick at the beginning. I can already see that Kitigawa, I mean Sunohara is going to be the throwaway comic relief character, and most of his scenes were just stupid, rather than funny. No opinion on any of the other characters, such as Kyou or Tomoyo, since they really haven't done anything yet. But, overall, the whole introduction was pretty stock-standard.
But the second half of the ep really redeemed it. We got the character interaction and a hint of the relationship analysis that pretty much drives and defines all the Key anime we've seen so far. The scene with Nagisa's family was great, as was the juxtaposition with Tomoya's "family" that followed. I was a little disappointed that Tomoya merely ran away from his father, since it was a rather cowardice thing to do, but I guess this isn't something that's going to be resolved in the first episode. But, so far, it's these two characters and their families that really make the show for me. If this show turns into an analysis of family relationships as it appears to be hinted at (and what Air essentially was at its core), then I think I'll be very happy.
That the aesthetics were amazing goes without saying (although 4:3 is really disappointing, but not much we can do about that), but I found it interesting that Ishihara used vertical blind wipes in the scene transitions. It's different, so I'll give him credit for that, and I guess he knows where it works. It's such a slow transition, though, that I worry it could upset the rhythm of scenes, if used incorrectly. The first Zero no Tsukaima anime used a similar (although more noisy) scene transition really well, but that was comedy, and this is going to be more drama (I'd imagine). I guess it's a case of "we'll wait and see" as far as how it'll turn out.
Anyway, bring on more Clannad! "Good job" to Eclipse and SS, as well.
Branduil
2007-10-05, 21:40
The animation was beautiful, as expected, but to air it in 4:3 is pretty lame. I think I'm going to wait for the widescreen releases from now on.
Meatrose
2007-10-05, 21:42
KyoAni is my favorite studio by far, and I truly love their past work. Air is one of the two anime-titles out of 170+ that I've rated as a masterpiece. Being one of many KyoAni-fans my expectations for Clannad were really really high. I was a bit afraid that the show wouldn't be able to live up to those expectations. I just finished watching the first episode so it's really too soon to tell, but damn... I'm really satisfied so far. (Big thanks to Eclipse, a big smile split my face in two the moment I surfed to your webpage a few minutes ago ^^)
Anyhow, I already adore several of the characters, and the character-introductions were nothing short of terrific. Tomoyo kicks ass, Kyou is lovely, Nagisa is kawaii beyond description and Sunohara... well, he's Sunohara... you can't not love him. I was so glad to see his patented facial expression being carried over from the game. Oh, and dinner at Nagisa's seems like fun. Gotta love that family. Go dad! ^^
That it looks good, that the scenery is detailed, that it sounds good and that the voice actors are performing really well... well, I wasn't suspecting any less to be honest. Can't wait until the next episode arrives.
Ascaloth
2007-10-05, 22:26
Just watched the SS-Eclipse sub. Am I allowed to comment on the differences between the two, or would it just simply be bad form?
iamandragon
2007-10-05, 22:32
Wow. Since when is the last time we see so many 'perfect, 10 out of 10' votes in episode one? Once again, KyoAni shows us their capability!
And I'm feeling like that KyoAni got the editing even one more level up. The way they treat the scene changes are even more smooth and natural. And Tomoya! The classic dialogue that's missing in the movie version: 'It's fine if you find the next happy thing isn't it?'
The fantasm world was brought in a bit too quick, those who havn't played the game might find themselves wondering for quite sometime 'what is that?'
Sunohara...being one who played the game, I already busted laughing even before he said his first dialogue.
And Sanae! Good lord! 'My bun...my bun...' that is another classic moments of CLANNAD. By the way, how on earth Tomoya recognize Sanae is Nagisa's mother? Impossible! She looks waaaay too young!
And Nagisa's father's voice actress is fun too!
I found Kyou's voice a bit too weak for her character...
Who here likes the Tomoyo fight scene? One of the few animated scenes I was looking forward in the anime it is.
anti-random
2007-10-05, 22:35
I thought the beginning was very well done. The very first scene was deep and sets up a mood. Then it went anime style, standard but five minutes of this passed with the successful introduction of the characters and then band into the series. We see the background of the two main characters and whats driving them. The first episode in Clannad did what so many other first episodes of other series failed at. Setting the scene for the anime.
Okay so I finally watched the episode subbed, and it wasn't as pacing off as I thought. And this time it was also easier to ignore the differences on the game and just look at it as a sequence of animated events. Using that it wasn't so bad.
Though, certainly this isn't a perfect episode. However since the art spectrum is at its best, it's a characteristic wanted to be seen in anime that isn't a weakness here. And the pacing might be off, but if it doesn't get any worse, then the weakness isn't too horrendous, and will dissipate when it's segmented (ha, and to think the segmenting would cause momentum loss, yet when they go to the branched route equation, if they do, then it's easier to concentrate on detail and maintain a consistent pacing pattern.)
And it's good that there are differences (in some ways, improvements, perhaps due to the simple mechanic differences) to Kanon and AIR. Though I'm sure there are weaker spectrums as well.
Perhaps I'm satisfied because the character I was most interested in looking forward to was Tomoya, who ideally is the most important character. And I don't see an issue with him at all. The other characters? If they're correctly incorporated, I think that's fine.
It's like there's comedy with Sunohara, and because of the odd truncation Kyoani is using, they're sometimes not using the really funny ones and are using ones in ways that don't necessarily work. Now I believe this is the case because they're using the equation (I made this up) "maintain concentration on the absolute main idea.", thus if you play the game, it's like taking the absolute biggest key point in various scenes and using them in these episodes, and that's how it felt like, the absolute big key points. No surprise, since Kyoani would probably be expected to do that (and it's not like what I said is true anyways because I'm sure some scenes I would have preferred to see something alternate that exists in the game).
(On a random note, that bread is not Choco-cornet, Shana. The structure looks different and it looks like the thing inside is meat. I don't remember the name but it's a different food you can find in a bakery.) I'm guessing referring to something in particular in the episode can be spoiler, even if it can't spoil anything.
And yes, just like Kanon and AIR, there could possibly be bland issues. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a loss of momentum somewhere, and this was certainly something I didn't like of Kyoani's works. Since the art spectrum is certainly no weakness (unless you hate the art style), then whatever weakness there is is easier to identify (in this case, the pacing). Kyoani's weaknesses usually including pacing where momentum gets lost,
Unlike the game the anime does incorporate "just happened" sequences and reiterating (or rather playback to state it happened) actions that just happened, so it's not purely chronological, and yet it's not flashback either. I don't know the term (on second thought flashbacks exist in the game, though gee, a large portion of Kanon ran specifically on that.).
Although it's clear some humour was likely truncated since it's impossible to fit every detail from the game, the ones that remained weren't exactly the best (note that um some things you see in Clannad certainly don't appear in AIR or Kanon, but this is by default anyways).
The subtle references are fair. They don't detract much and are nice, not to mention to show those it's merely incorporated and it isn't specifically targeted.
And it looks like Kyoani is "specifically targeting" the "absolute main ideas." This can be good and bad. Good since well, that's obvious. Bad because um, I don't know, depends on the viewer.
In terms of more minour things, I don't think Kyoani does great humour in their KEY works (on other works, that's not quite the case). But since KEY is known for various things, comedy is usually incorporated, but yes they need to do that better (yet if they mistime in a mismatch of a mood, that's really bad). And then, while AIR was pretty good in emotion, I don't think Kanon quite was as much (and yes I think Toei's was better at heart robbing, much better, then again they also specifically made it less accurate to set that up too.)
Well if anything, they're being consistent, nothing too out of the way of what they seem to usually do, the delivery artistically is nothing to complain about, and the weaknesses sure any company could do that. They can probably fix on the mistakes, and improve, since there's already some shown improvements.
I tend to forget Kyoani's other strength is detail accuracy. Sure they omit things, but otherwise, in a technical sense, everything in episode 1 is pretty much what is made available in the beginning of the game anyways. Nothing too majour was missing (and if it was, it'll be seen in the second episode probably, aka more characters). Only minour things were missing, really (unless I forgot something). If they're running 24 episodes, they kind of have to use the formula they're using right now.
I should just sit back and just have the weeks go by incorporating watching this along with it. Thinking of the first episode so often makes the only real limit that the second episode cannot air until next week. Considering I didn't mind watching this and have already seen it more than once, something must have gone right.
And like many say, it's just the first episode. Things I previously didn't like is like the overall amount of usage for a character, which obviously can't be effectively determined from the first episode anyways. I won't say it's imbalanced, but it's quite strange and interesting.
I tend to forget if a different company did this, it could easily have fewer pros and more cons (then again it might not happen since it probably wouldn't have been likely for another company to do it anytime soon). So I should be happy I can see the characters animated, in which I am.
In terms of a rating I'd use a number between 7 and 9. 7 if I'm being pessimistic, and 9 if I'm being optimistic, so I'd say maybe 8 (lol it's so skewed since the art and animation prevents a low base number in the first place, and technically many lines said are pretty accurate if referenced, and if not, the overall idea is maintained). If I said 10 I'd be being way too biased and must be concentrating too much on the animation spectrum which uses a very heavy budget.
Well, because it runs too fast (well it's not too fast but based on potential content aka size of game and then 24 episodes, not sure how that is done.), perhaps Kyoani's tendency for repetition might diminish for this anime.
And yes, like others have said, 4:3 is a little weird. 16:9 might be like WOW visually.
I think I'll go watch it again. @_@
I actually enjoy 4:3 a bit. I find it quite refreshing the way camera angles seem to be just slightly off-center. I'm not sure that I prefer it though.
Just watched the SS-Eclipse sub. Am I allowed to comment on the differences between the two, or would it just simply be bad form?I watched Sprocket/TWH and SS-Eclipse as well, so I'd be interested to see how you perceive the two. Blog it, or spoiler it, or just PM me your view. :)
Personally, I found that I didn't especially prefer one or the other, but instead wanted to splice the two. Sometimes I felt that certain lines flowed more naturally in the S/TWH sub, and sometimes it was SS-Eclipse that I favored. Unfortunately, I don't really know enough japanese to judge translation accuracy. In the end, I just kept the sub of the group that I watched first.
EDIT: (Oddly enough, there was an strange frame error at the very beginning with Tomoya briefly standing in the wrong place in the S/TWH sub. I suppose that's a download error/hiccup on my end, though.)
I did find it slightly interesting that both groups chose to leave "Onee-chan" untranslated. But I am sometimes easily amused.
Richard 23
2007-10-05, 22:59
8/10 so far, but I know it'll get better. I've been looking forward to this for years. How long was the game awaited? It's been years since then for the anime to begin. I'm glad October is here. I'll be watching this one to the end.
mickal555
2007-10-05, 23:04
Just noticed something weird in my avi, and 1:40 wossname, the guy, gliches a little and jumps across the screen :O
Anyway, I really hope a groups subs the widescreen!
We're now on page 5 in this thread. Yet I'm still going to use spoiler boxes. I don't want to lose the privilege to post on subsequent episodes.
My reaction in a nutshell: This series is Teh Win. Can't wait until next week.
Want verbosity? Read on...:)
For the record, I know nothing about Clannad. Never played the game, seen the movie, or even finished reading the Wikipedia page.
Having said that, I have seen Air and Kanon. I absolutely love Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu and Full Metal Panic Fumoff. Lucky Star was one of the few titles I followed this summer.
I've been counting the days until Clannad, so I offer my gratitude to Philanthropy-Sekai for their efforts. I thank SS-Eclipse as well, as I saw their version, too. Please indulge me if I sound overly fan-ish. It's been a long week, so I welcome future Friday evenings with more anticipation than ever.
My impressions:
Non-spoilered parts:
Incredible animation. Thank you, KyoAni. Hope they don't run out of money midway and pull an Evangelion on us. I swear, if Tomoya ends up sitting in a chair in an empty room...*takes deep breaths*...uh, moving on...
The funny parts were abrupt, but I figure KyoAni is trying to cram as many character introduction scenes as possible to move the plot in later episodes. Sunohara is hilarious in a low-IQ sense, Kyou's diction-air-y throw was cool, and Tomoyo's (I get confused because the name sounds like Tomoya) fight was comedy gold. (I get the feeling "Spectator's View" will be an anime meme.)
Thoroughly enjoyed Tomoya's introduction to Nagisa's family. To echo others' sentiments: it's nice to see a happy, albeit slightly quirky, family for once.
Nitpicks: Disliked the visual cliches used to remind us that Clannad is based on a visual novel. The names in the opening scene were unnecessary, the window blinds transition effects were annoying, and the dialog was stilted. No, I haven't played the game, but the dialog sounded unnatural at times. Kanon and Air did a much better job making you feel immersed in their worlds. Clannad made me feel too aware that I was looking at a fishbowl, an environment held at arm's length. (However, I'm sure later episodes will convince me otherwise. KyoAni hasn't failed me yet.)
Very subtle eyecatch break at the 11:50 mark. Classy.
You know what else is classy? Those school uniforms. Amazing that Tomoya is wearing a shirt with stripes (most guys wear plain white) and a tie bar (they're rare these days in the States). The girls are wearing dark turtlenecks instead of light colored blouses, which is a nice change. Of course, the skirts are on the short side, but I don't notice. Much.
Introduction
After watching Lucky Star for so many weeks, I forgot how much detail KyoAni can cram into a sequence. Just as Kanon was the studio's way of showing off falling snow, Clannad is all about the cherry blossom (sakura) petals. The sudden shifts to fully-saturated color was reminiscent of Haruhi, as it was also about a disenchanted guy who had a series of life-changing experiences upon meeting a girl.
Some Characters
Tomoya: Kudos again for giving assertive traits to the leading male character. Tomoya speaks his mind (at the risk of getting bat-whacked), steps up to the plate when his school's threatened (although his help wasn't needed), and doesn't shy away from talking with girls. Wish he tried to help his dad, but KyoAni seems to favor guys with parental issues.
Sunohara (clown): Jun from Kanon, anyone? If Air and Kanon are any indication, we'll need some comic relief to balance things out.
Kyou (dictionary girl): Reminds me of Haruhi, in that she'll think nothing of getting physical to make a point. Did you see the way she casually grabbed Tomoya's tie? To repeat another poster's comment, it's interesting that Tomoya refers to her (plain old "Kyou", not "Fujibayashi") in such an intimate matter. Childhood friend?
Nagisa: Ah, food girl! Like Ayu, only not as growth-stunted. Having never played any Key games, I'm curious whether food items was important in the games as well? (I'm talking about ramen in Air, and taiyaki and jam in Kanon.) Previous poster mentioned that Nagisa ate what she mentioned in the beginning. So "hamburger" actually looks like meatloaf (without the bun) in Japan? Or is that the Atkins low-carb version? ;)
Nagisa's mother: First thought when I saw her--shades of Akiko Minase, another highly attractive older woman with a fatal(?) flaw. Today it's a rice cracker in a bun. It's only a matter of time before we'll see jam in a bun. :p (Apparently, Okaa-san can't cook at all, since Nagisa made all the hamburgers.)
Visuals
KyoAni pulled all the stops on this one. Color, movement, and backgrounds are excellent. It's amazing to see a group incorporate high quality fights scenes (a la Full Metal Panic as well as parts of Haruhi) into a series that's seems to be about relationships. They did it successfully in Air and Kanon, and I look forward to more of it in Clannad. Bravo.
Other Observations
I thought it was neat to have Tomoya pull yet another "Kyonnichi" when it came to his narration. You don't always see his face, so sometimes you can't tell exactly if he's speaking aloud or just thinking to himself; it gets surreal when another character responds to something you thought Tomoya was just thinking in his head. Or maybe the other person was psychic. The world will never know. :)
I had a WTF reaction to the ending theme, but upon reflection, it's highly appropriate. Did you catch what was written on Nagisa's apron when she was making dinner for her family and Tomoya? I'm guessing there's a connection.
Richard 23
2007-10-05, 23:16
I forgot to mention the animation is 9.75/10. Kyoto doesn't disappoint there.
IRJustman
2007-10-05, 23:36
Just noticed something weird in my avi, and 1:40 wossname, the guy, gliches a little and jumps across the screen :O
Tomoya? Yeah, I know about that bit of transporter glitching. But it wasn't a show-stopper, IMO. We have an idea why this happened and will keep it from happening again.
Furthermore, the 4:3 prints are more for the I Want My Clannad NOW, Dammit!(R) type (like me, for example ;) ). Not that we're trying to skimp or anything, but sometimes, these things happen.
Anyway, I really hope a groups subs the widescreen!
I believe many/most if not all of the active efforts out there will be doing it. I know we definitely are. I've heard that Phil/Sekai are, and you can almost certainly bet your bottom dollar that SS/Eclipse will as well.
--Ian.
Not too shabby from such a highly anticipated anime. Great animation by Kyo-Ani as always. Though some of the comedy scene seems too abrupt, it still does make me chuckle. The one thing I don't like is how they squeeze so many characters in just the first episode. 9/10 for me.
Just noticed something weird in my avi, and 1:40 wossname, the guy, gliches a little and jumps across the screen :OAh, so I'm not the only one to have that glitch-jump. I couldn't find the glitch-jump in SS-Eclipse, but it seems to be there in Sprocket/TWH. Probably not a data transfer problem then, but a problem with S/TWH's .avi itself.
EDIT: Gah, post made irrelevant by IRJustman posting while I was typing this. :)
Anyway, I really hope a groups subs the widescreen!
As I have read on this thread so far, the following groups will definitely sub the widescreen version as well as the 4:3.
Philanthropy/Sekai
Sprocket-Hole/TWH
Fallingsnow are apparently releasing ASS scripts for their 4:3 subs, but will release the HD widescreen versions as hardsubs. (from PukiWiki)
SS-Eclipse are really the big-guns here, so I am pretty confident that they will produce the widescreen subs to complement their 4:3's; depending on how their other projects are coming along.
Still no word on how IDPro are handling their subs.
And I wonder if a.f.k. have fallen off the bandwagon, but they are backlogged with their previous projects, so assuming they do enter this subbing arena, I'm guessing they will go with the widescreen edition exclusively.
Ascaloth
2007-10-06, 00:16
Mmmm. *kicks IRJustman and Mentar to get their attention*
Like I said, may I compare, or should I not? :p
Kaioshin Sama
2007-10-06, 00:19
Mmmm. *kicks IRJustman and Mentar to get their attention*
Like I said, may I compare, or should I not? :p
Jeez, just do it, there's nothing stopping you. As long as you make it relevant to the episode I doubt anybody would have a problem.
toxic_trance
2007-10-06, 00:23
Watched SS-Eclipse..the subtitles by them is definitely superior to the rest. Didn't have the TWH glitch at 1:40
I think SS-Eclipse is the one to stick with. TWH did seem to have a partially brighter video...but I still think that SS-Eclipse emerges the winner here
Nightengale
2007-10-06, 00:42
Hmm... rewatching with subs does give the episode a better impression overall. The little touches were fine. The storyboarding felt a little iffy considering how they were evidently cramming in as much as they could without destroying the mood they were setting for, but it didn't feel too bad. There were some wonderful animation overdrives typically of Kyoto, but once again, the CG for the table, rather than impressing me, made me LOL. Not in a bad way though.
Overall, it's a solid starter. The drive kicked up in the later half when you could actually feel the chemistry brimming, which is a good thing.
Mmmm. *kicks IRJustman and Mentar to get their attention*
Like I said, may I compare, or should I not? :p
What's wrong with constructive criticism? Especially since it's from you.
Ascaloth
2007-10-06, 00:49
What's wrong with constructive criticism? Especially since it's from you.
Mmmm *rubs chin* It's because I vaguely remember IRJustman asking me not to proclaim that one is better than the other since the fansub groups are all about friendly competition, back in the Kanon 2006 days. Or something like that, I can't remember exactly *scratches head*
Besides, even I wouldn't say my criticisms are constructive in this case. It's about font style (everyone has their own individual preferences when it comes to font style), but mostly, it's got to do with how much I "agree" with their respective translations. And if you think about it, a LAJ1201 beginner to the Japanese language critiquing the efforts of fansub groups whose members probably all hold a JLPT1 certificate......that doesn't sound too proper, does it? :heh:
Well it seems Phil/Sekai have released a v2 of the first ep.
And as for the fansub comparisons, I personally was going to post the good and bad points of each, but seeing as it is "friendly competition" from all parties concerned, I'd rather encourage them all to do their best rather than saying which one is better or worse etc.
DanielSong39
2007-10-06, 00:57
Welcome back, Ascaloth.
We may have had our differences in Kanon 2006 but I must admit that I enjoyed your contribution. It's nice to see you reinstated.
Perhaps it's time for all of us to find a medium between Key/KyoAni fanboyism and disillusioned bitterness. On a second thought... nah, that's what makes things fun. I will try to keep things under control, however. On the plus side, I'm enjoying this show a lot more than Air or Kanon.
Ascaloth
2007-10-06, 01:13
Thanks, DanielSong39. I agree with not finding a middle ground between the both of us too; like you said, that's what makes things fun. :p
But I'm afraid that for my part, I'll have to keep things under control too; I'm on shaky enough ground as it is. :uhoh:
Anyway, let's see.
Ascaloth, please don't. Comparisons like these tend to turn into flamewars at worst, and some unpleasant feelings for several people at best. Everybody should download multiple versions, compare, and then make up their own mind.
Then again, how about prepping a small file and offering to send it to those people via PM who request it?
Ascaloth
2007-10-06, 01:30
Ascaloth, please don't. Comparisons like these tend to turn into flamewars at worst, and some unpleasant feelings for several people at best. Everybody should download multiple versions, compare, and then make up their own mind.
Then again, how about prepping a small file and offering to send it to those people via PM who request it?
Wakarimashita. I'll not do it, then.
On the other hand, what do you mean by prepping a small file? :confused:
Nightengale
2007-10-06, 01:33
Mentar has spoken.
Anyway, reliance on subs should only go so far. Subtleties of language can be lost during translation.
Subtleties of language can be lost during translation.
Tradutore traditore like Italians would say.
Wakarimashita. I'll not do it, then.
On the other hand, what do you mean by prepping a small file? :confused:
With your comments about the differences. So that those people who really NEED to know can get it ;)
Ascaloth
2007-10-06, 01:39
With your comments about the differences. So that those people who really NEED to know can get it ;)
Ah, sou desu ka. Domo.
(You guys can probably tell that my Japanese language module is going to my head :heh:)
LionsMane
2007-10-06, 01:43
I just finished the first episode! I thought it was great. I especially loved the intro to the episode. It was amazing with the flashes of color.
"Great Space Galaxy-san" -haha
And Tomoyo's my girl.
Can't wait for episode 2.
Nightengale
2007-10-06, 01:45
Btw...
Akio's quote on "taking away the woman loved by force, etc"... was it homage or am I just thinking too much?
I'm almost DAMN sure I've heard that quote somewhere before... from a mecha show, I think...
Ascaloth
2007-10-06, 01:55
Btw...
Akio's quote on "taking away the woman loved by force, etc"... was it homage or am I just thinking too much?
I'm almost DAMN sure I've heard that quote somewhere before... from a mecha show, I think...
I don't know about you, but I'm ready to give the guy the Izumi Soujirou Creepy-As-Hell Award. :heh:
Meophist
2007-10-06, 02:11
Nagisa: Ah, food girl! Like Ayu, only not as growth-stunted. Having never played any Key games, I'm curious whether food items was important in the games as well? (I'm talking about ramen in Air, and taiyaki and jam in Kanon.)Every main girl in Kanon had a favourite food. I believe there was something similar in Air as well.Previous poster mentioned that Nagisa ate what she mentioned in the beginning. So "hamburger" actually looks like meatloaf (without the bun) in Japan? Or is that the Atkins low-carb version? ;) A common translation error. "Hanbaagaa" ≠ "Hanbaagu". I looked around on Google to make sure I was right, and I found a thread here on animesuki about it when the issue was raised for Midori no Hibi:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=14556
Ascaloth, if you already prepped a small file, I'd like to be PMed one. Though this is in interest in perspectives in looking how a result came about from different approaches. Pros and cons and criticism would be more opinionated probably.
Well, preference is preference. I'll probably attempt watching them all, though probably only this episode.
In terms of the anime, it's still enigmatic what ways the anime will go. I can't even predict which route would go first, and given the ordering that was done on the first episode, it could be any, really. Though it seems as though things from the first episode set things up for the second episode (though by default it's like that anyways). Well, since regardless of how many differences there are with kanon and air, it's still similar, and therefore by the kyoani equation, the likelyhood of segmented routes all the way throughout is far too likely, but nobody would know how it would be executed.
Hm, the town/neighbourhood drawings were neat and the additives to induce flow weren't bad. Nothing big, nothing small, just not as static as the scene transitions.
Yeah, I think I will wait for an episode 2.
Solid first episode, there are room for improvement.
How the chemistry between Tomoya and Nagisa sparked right away, and the relationship between Tomoya and his father are the things that hooked me on the show; not to mention two of my favorite female characters of the show: Kyou and Tomoyo (in that regard I left the "what girl I think Tomoya should choose" spirit behind me, and let the script writers tell me the story and the theme of Clannad).
Now I am curious to see how all of that will unfold.
Technical-wise, graphics, animation, music, voice acting, all of that is solid.
The big unknown is the plot, but hey it is the first episode.
For now, it is a 8 from me.
Owaranai Destiny
2007-10-06, 03:16
For a first-timer, CLANNAD's pilot episode has certainly made a good impact, being especially visually pleasing. I'm a little confused by the change in scenes and the girl in the 'world that ended', as any first-timer would be. Apparently it seems to be a unlinked train of thoughts from 'something else' other than Tomoya's first person view of the world around him in his thoughts. No matter. I'm sure everything will come to light in due time, and where's the fun if we know what's going on immediately? ;)
So far, I like Tomoyo already as well as the Furukawa family. Tomoya doesn't seem to be a 'typical' male lead, either. I won't go as far as to pin great hopes on this show as of yet, but it's definitely perked my interest to a new level. A 9 for the start.
pariah164
2007-10-06, 03:24
This was awesome. And not a moment too soon. My anime watch list was significantly lacking with Lucky Star now over.
mickal555
2007-10-06, 04:08
Ascaloth, if you already prepped a small file, I'd like to be PMed one. Though this is in interest in perspectives in looking how a result came about from different approaches. Pros and cons and criticism would be more opinionated probably.
Well, preference is preference. I'll probably attempt watching them all, though probably only this episode.
Ditto
My message is too short.
Ok, watched the episode late at night, voted 10.
I'm new to Clannad, so it's a little bit difficult to get the situation, esp. with Nagisa, but i ll be working in this direction.
I'm probably the only person in the world who still uses a 4:3 monitor (21"), so I'm actually happy that a 4:3 version exists. :heh:
^^;
Add me.
But I use my old projection tv 16/9 to watch anime so a widescreen version will be much appreciated.
mcruz1014
2007-10-06, 08:23
Just finished the first ep. Im new to Clannad like a lot of others here, so some stuff probably went over my head, but my first impression of the series was good. Some good character development and a well done bit of humor.
my favorite part was the introduction of Nagisa's parents, they're quite funny
Kisuke06
2007-10-06, 08:34
Wow, the first episode was quite good. And i couldn't help it but remember about Kanon...
And Nagisa's dad is already my favorite character of this show.
Anywyas, I want more!
Every main girl in Kanon had a favourite food. I believe there was something similar in Air as well.A common translation error. "Hanbaagaa" ≠ "Hanbaagu". I looked around on Google to make sure I was right, and I found a thread here on animesuki about it when the issue was raised for Midori no Hibi:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=14556
Thanks for the thread link. Very interesting information! Now I have the urge to try this Hanbaagu thingee. <drool>
I wasn't expecting much from this anime, since it's essentially the same stuff as Air, Kanon, surely things can't go uphill from there? I liked both, but they're nothing like my favourites. The popularity here would be because it's kyoani or because the game was über. I admit those are good causes, but I'm not biased by them, you could even say I started watching with a negative attitude.
Still, only after seeing episode one, I know I'd sit through the whole series right now if it was done and available, even though I have more important things to do...I can tell it's an exquisite work of animation and watching Clannad is a privilege I'd be foolish to give up.
Hanbagu is actually Salisbury Steak / Meat Loaf served with rice. See Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisbury_steak#Japanese_Cuisine). Personally, I loathe the stuff.
Speaking from a Clannad newbie point of view, I can't understand the interest in Tomoyo (seeing how little air time she got in this episode) but Nagisa's back story seems intriguing:
From all the tiny clues scattered about Ep1, dare I say she's the ghost girl the locker room talk was speculating about?
I can't tell how special Clannad will be relative to Kanon, but the relatively faster pace compared to Kanon's slow start indicates it'll be just as good, if not better.
FieryAeon
2007-10-06, 10:03
I've never played the game so I don't know what to compare, but I'm liking it so far. Still its too early to judge, but its looking good. I lol'ed hard when Tomoya brutally condemned Sanae's weird cracker-bun. :heh:
Ep 1
The first epidose wasn't a blast, but I'm already in love with Clannad. Nagisa's father is easily my favorite character! :love:
It feels so great to be in a ride similar to last year's Kanon~
I can't tell how special Clannad will be relative to Kanon, but the relatively faster pace compared to Kanon's slow start indicates it'll be just as good, if not better.
I wonder why people tend to use the term "slow-pace" as a derogative term. Personally I just love slow-paced series, movies, stories, books, etc. In my case the opposite applies, I loathe series that are just too fast paced (Gurren Lagan ep 1 gave me seizures), so I dunno, while I liked this first chapter very much I would have liked it too take a little more time when introducing us to the CLANNAD world. Aw well, I guess you can only do so much with 2 cours -_-
In any case, I'm looking forward to this series a lot. Up to now KyoAni has not disappointed once (though if I had known Air's story beforehand I may have felt differently :p) so let's see how this will turn out...
Can I get that PM as well Ascaloth please?
Anyway I rated this a 9/10 and I felt it was a superior first episode to the other Key conversions by KyoAni in Air and Kanon.
Matt Soulblade
2007-10-06, 13:18
Well, what can I say... Im pretty much hyped.
I gave a 9, but I guess I am ready to spare some 10 anytime on the next episodes.
I just managed to download the sub from SS and eventually watched it. I must say that the animation was excellent right down to the small details. Plus the music, atmosphere and pace all seem to blend very well, at least for me. I also looked upon the VA casts and boy am I glad to know that most of the VAs voicing the characters are my all time favs. I'm kinda new to this whole CLANNAD thing, nonetheless I'm giving it an 8 for an impressive start. The first episode really made an impact on me and I'm looking forward to see how the story unfolds with the rest of the characters. Can't wait.
FlareKnight
2007-10-06, 13:38
Well hadn't heard much about this before reading some of those fall previews. But this wasn't a bad start at all and this should be an interesting series. Main character isn't a bad guy at all, good balance in not being a whiny idiot or a jerk that I can't stand. Sentiments at the start of the episode that people can understand.
Nagisa's parents were excellent. From her mom running out in tears from the honest response to her food. Then her dad (who is great) getting riled up. Not sure what will happen from here on out but this is going to be a good series to watch this season.
Plus appreciate the OP having character names. Honestly at times can lose track of so many characters and can only refer to them by 'oh I know that person..'.
I wonder why people tend to use the term "slow-pace" as a derogative term. Personally I just love slow-paced series, movies, stories, books, etc. In my case the opposite applies, I loathe series that are just too fast paced (Gurren Lagan ep 1 gave me seizures), so I dunno, while I liked this first chapter very much I would have liked it too take a little more time when introducing us to the CLANNAD world. Aw well, I guess you can only do so much with 2 cours -_-
In any case, I'm looking forward to this series a lot. Up to now KyoAni has not disappointed once (though if I had known Air's story beforehand I may have felt differently :p) so let's see how this will turn out...
I think it's merely a preference for something a little bit faster. A slow-pace is usually fine if the mentality is that pace. However, for say Kanon, there were portions where you could establish a "loss of momentum", as if it was a pace shift that was not very collusive (not the right word, maybe cohesive) with what just previously happened. Though, the same could go with a sudden speed up, like throwing something attempting to be funny in the middle of a sad mood from earlier. Maybe some who like action doesn't like slow-pace. Then again I am not one that is too fond of fast paced action. Nothing really wrong with either.
And I honestly think the 2 cour thing, especially if they're doing just 24 episodes, would have to force this weird pace pacing. I ran the game quickly again after the first episode, and there's a lot more text and it takes a lot more time to run through the same sequences. But then again if game style speed was used, saying 39 or 52 episodes wouldn't be so ridiculous.
Well, if I'm looking at these episodes, rather than thinking what wasn't implemented, I'll look at what the anime does that the game cannot, and that's movement, animation, screen pans, a bunch of filming terminology, and the sighting of Tomoya everywhere (and whatever else). In that contrast, it makes it easier to enjoy the anime.
A lot more will happen, as I tend to forget many more things do occur, because I don't think episodes past say, 7 would be similar to these beginning few ones (basis from Kanon, where first few episodes were pretty introductory).
KholdStare
2007-10-06, 13:55
I started watching the first episode thinking that it'll be like Kanon and Air, but I was very wrong. There's unexpected comedy, and the mood is not "fantasy/mystical" but rather slice-of-life-ish, which I thoroughly enjoyed. I hope to see the plot as it progresses, but I also love the genre mix of Clannad. 10/10
(I gave the same rating to the first episode of School Days, but...let's just hope Clannad lives up to my expectations.)
Darklightz
2007-10-06, 14:09
I always have high expectations for Kyo-Ani productions and so far Clannad is on par.
Already things are getting serious. I can understand Tomoya's pent up anger. It strikes me odd though, usually in such animes the main character either lives alone or with one or more cute girls.
I feel like this serie will be more serious from the beginning rather than start lighthearted and then turn dramatic in the last episodes. Either way it will be worth watching!
therationalpi
2007-10-06, 14:14
I know my post is probably gonna be lost in this huge thread, but I felt like posting anyway.
After watching Lucky Star/Claymore/Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei for the last couple months, I'm really in the mood for a slower and more serious anime. Already, Clannad has an introspective and serious tone. The despair of Tomoya's father and the heavy mood during scenes with Nagisa both generate this melancholic feel. The voice acting, and animation both do a great job of furthering the mood. As with Kanon and Air, Kyoto Animation is doing a great job of bringing Key's stories to life. If Clannad is anything like Kanon and Air, I expect it to include a combination of realistic and imaginative stories, all of which will speak true in some sense to the audience.
That's not to say the show doesn't look to have any purely fun moments. I think we can expect to see more exciting scenes with Tomoyo, and more comic relief with Youhei.
Altogether, this episode was a well paced intro. Rapid fire introductions to the characters is, in my opinion, a great way to pique an audiences interest. Although some may say that a lot was crammed into this one episode, I would say that it had just enough to make me want to see next week's, but not so much as to confuse me.
Espiecakes
2007-10-06, 14:57
Well it's interesting to know that Nagisa's father has a gravity-defying cigarette.
Mirrinus
2007-10-06, 15:00
Okay, finally got to see this episode, and it was really quite enjoyable. I just finished rewatching Kanon with my housemate yesterday night, so I guess you could say I was in the mood.
What really impressed me about the first episode wasn't the animation (4:3 and lower resolution kind of spoiled it) but the pacing. Yeah, you heard me. The same thing lots of other people are complaining about. I already understand that Kyoto Animation has a staggering amount of stuff to cover if they want to adapt Clannad well, so I was worried that they'd be hard-pressed for time. And while a whole ton of stuff was covered in the first episode, it actually didn't seem rushed for me. One reason this is so is because of their use of "dead time" montages, which give the impression that the show isn't really in much of a hurry. Scenes like Tomoya walking, sitting on a bench, etc., give a more slice-of-life touch to the show and slow it down a bit. And seriously now, what's wrong with slow pacing? I like savoring the moment like that!
One thing that I found disjarring at first was the constant shift from present time to short little flashback, back and forth like that. However, I realize now that that might be another reason why the show doesn't feel quite as rushed, because it suggests that time hasn't really passed much. With these minor flashbacks, the show can expand on key scenes while still technically remaining in the same present timeframe. As long as it's not overdone, I think it can work out well.
Anyway, onto the characters. Tomoya so far seems like a great character. The only reason I ever got to watching Key's anime adaptations was for the male leads, who were always several notches above your average protagonist. I'm glad that Tomoya doesn't disappoint so far. Sunohara seems like Kitagawa version 2.0, which is fine by me, as I liked Kitagawa too. I'm not sure what to think of Nagisa so far, but I do like her voice (I always liked cute Rena over psycho Rena in Higurashi). Nagisa's family is also pretty awesome, especially her father Akio. Is he the most GAR character from any Key work or what? Kyou's entrance gave me flashbacks of Haruhi Suzumiya. That dictionary toss brought images of the kick from SHnY 11 to mind. I didn't really like Ryou, though. And as for Tomoyo...she just rocks, doesn't she? Can't wait to see more awesome action scenes from her.
Anyway, this seems like a solid start to what will likely be a great series, so I'm fairly happy with it. A lot of people already seem to be writing it off as a Kanon clone, but if it goes where I think it's going (OK, so I spoiled myself >.>), then I know I personally will be quite pleased and impressed.
Really nice first Episode!
The Main hero sucks compaared to Yuuichi. But still nice. I liked most of the characters! Tomoyo is made made of win. I already fell in love with her :D 9/10
MidoriHiME
2007-10-06, 15:40
Hm...I was really looking forward to the first episode, but it was a real let-down. The transitions were plain and awkward and everything felt rushed - especially the ending...it seemed like a really big point is being made already in the first episode. That being said, there was definitely potential, the characters seem interesting, and I look forward to see how the series develops.
HandofFate
2007-10-06, 16:22
oh, what an orgasmic first episode. I rewatched the OP scene like 10 times over till I started on the rest of the episode.
The opening scene as expected, blew me away! I know I'm gonna enjoy this series immensely. The Nagisa's dad is great. So far, I am liking all the characters and every interaction between them
Bread scene = perfect
Class rep scene = *eyes shine in amusement*
A common translation error. "Hanbaagaa" ? "Hanbaagu". I looked around on Google to make sure I was right, and I found a thread here on animesuki about it when the issue was raised for Midori no Hibi:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=14556
I have to disagree on classifying that translation as an error.
While it's clear from our discussion here that not all English speakers call that hamburger, many do.
It was called in my father's house. I might chalk it up to my step-mother being Japanese, but it was called that in my mother's house, too, and my mother has hardly been out of the southern US. If it was a ground beef patty, it was "hamburger".
Mirrinus
2007-10-06, 16:33
Well, if it means anything: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger
Hamburger also refers to the cooked patty of ground meat (usually beef) by itself.[1] The patty alone is also known as a beefburger, or burger. This type of meat can be used in boxed dinners such as "Hamburger Helper". Hamburger is actually a distinct product from ground round and other types of ground meat. However, ground beef of any form is often commonly referred to as "hamburger." A recipe calling for 'hamburger' (the non-countable noun) would require ground beef or beef substitute- not a whole sandwich.
IRJustman
2007-10-06, 18:06
I have to disagree on classifying that translation as an error.
While it's clear from our discussion here that not all English speakers call that hamburger, many do.
It was called in my father's house. I might chalk it up to my step-mother being Japanese, but it was called that in my mother's house, too, and my mother has hardly been out of the southern US. If it was a ground beef patty, it was "hamburger".
I wouldn't consider it a translation error, either.
In fact, while I am a full-blooded American (neither parent had any Japanese blood), I was born in Japan and lived there for 3 1/2 years or so*, so we had the variety which wasn't on a bun as well as what we Americans know and love.
The person who put up the Wikipedia link probably did the best service to this whole thing.
--Ian.
* My late father (the subject of the dedication at the beginning of ep 1 of our Kanon 2006 subs; he died at the end of June) was stationed in Japan from 1967-1971, serving with AFTAC, a group in the United States Air Force, flying weather reconnaissance missions aboard Boeing WC-135 planes, verifying compliance with nuclear test ban/non-proliferation treaties. I was born there in 1968, and my younger sister followed in 1970.
rusyixun
2007-10-06, 19:09
Quite a bit of comedy for what I was expecting to be Kyo Ani's "next serious work". Breaks the fourth wall (sight gags etc) in a way that Kanon and even Haruhi didn't. Well, at least it's something different. The pacing of the episode was pretty good, and so were the visuals - though Tomoya strangely looked a bit poorly drawn in the very first scene.
My first thought on seeing Misae was "Hmm, looks like Kaname Chidori" and my next was "Sounds like her as well". So I checked up and sure enough Satsuki Yukino voices her. :) Her surname's Sagara, don't know whether it was imported from the game or just an in-joke from Kyo Ani.
I'm a bit confused - Tomoya seemed to be living in a dorm with Sunohara, and also had a place of his own? Unless that was just Sunohara's room...Tomoya seems to be quite the bored type. I actually thought Nagisa might be the ghost girl mentioned, as for a while no one but Tomoya acknowledged her presence (during the motorcycle bit for example).
Ryou is quite charming. :D
Edgewalker
2007-10-06, 19:29
so....whats a dango ?
Klashikari
2007-10-06, 19:39
Dango (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dango), some dumpling, made from rice flour (the usual balls on a stick... yeah, a bit vague as an image)
OceanBlue
2007-10-06, 19:40
Quite a bit of comedy for what I was expecting to be Kyo Ani's "next serious work". Breaks the fourth wall (sight gags etc) in a way that Kanon and even Haruhi didn't. Well, at least it's something different. The pacing of the episode was pretty good, and so were the visuals - though Tomoya strangely looked a bit poorly drawn in the very first scene.
My first thought on seeing Misae was "Hmm, looks like Kaname Chidori" and my next was "Sounds like her as well". So I checked up and sure enough Satsuki Yukino voices her. :) Her surname's Sagara, don't know whether it was imported from the game or just an in-joke from Kyo Ani.
I'm a bit confused - Tomoya seemed to be living in a dorm with Sunohara, and also had a place of his own? Unless that was just Sunohara's room...Tomoya seems to be quite the bored type. I actually thought Nagisa might be the ghost girl mentioned, as for a while no one but Tomoya acknowledged her presence (during the motorcycle bit for example).
Ryou is quite charming. :D
Well, I think that he dorms with Sunohara, and he visits his father sometimes.
Or it could be that he was just visiting Sunohara.
I also thought that about Nagisa, but her parents kind of threw me off.
Ryou and Kyou are my favorite characters at the moment. The magic divination trick was amusing though. ^__^
I really liked the first episode of Clannad. What I really liked was how it seemed like an average every-day-life, school anime, but then they threw in those scenes that made you wonder if it was a fantasy or supernatural anime. It has started off as good, or better than Air and Kanon. I hope that Clannad stays this good, or gets better.
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