Clannad - Q & A

[Kaisos Erranon]

There was a rumor that the After Story DVDs will start being released this winter... so it'll probably start in the fall.

[EdenB]

I have a question about the after story endings.

I've followed the walkthrough some pages back (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1191340&postcount=56) and the first and second went fine and I got all 13 lights. However when I followed the third one that was supposed to go to the true end

it cut off somewhere and ended soon after the choice between taking Akio's Porn, Sanae's (underwear I think) or nothing. However I loaded one from the first route as Ushio was being born and it gave me what I think is the True ending (Music with lots of CGs, Nagisa staying alive and Fuuko and Kouko doing their comedy act at the very end then Ushio being on the title screen.

Have I missed anything by getting it that way instead of how the walkthrough said? There wasn't an option to 'cry out for help' as it said in the walkthrough either.

[Aizu]

Congratulations - this is a true ending, as for 'cry out for help' - it will be if you play next time.

[CrowKenobi]

I've tried looking for this information, but am coming up empty: the vital stats for the Clannad characters... can someone either point me in the right direction or list them here? (if listed here, height is all I need) :D

:cool:

Thanks!!

[Klashikari]

Based on CLANNAD FULL VOICE user's manual (i'm listing the whole thing, in case someone else are looking for them):

Furukawa Nagisa
-Height: 155cm
-Weight: 43kg
-BWH: 80 55 81

Fujibayashi Kyou
-Height: 160cm
-Weight: 46kg
-BWH: 82 56 82

Ichinose Kotomi
-Height: 160cm
-Weight: 48 kg
-BWH: 88 58 85

Ibuki Fuko
-Height: 150cm
-Weight: 41kg
-BWH: 78 54 79

Sakagami Tomoyo
-Height: 161cm
-Weight: 47kg
-BWH: 86 57 82

[Aizu]

Some additions :

Nagisa Furukawa
Height 155cm
Weight 43kg
Blood type A type
3Size B80/W55/H81
Birthday 12/24

Kyou Fujibayashi
Height 160cm
Weight 46kg
Blood type O type
3Size B82/W56/H82
Birthday 9/9

Tomoyo Sakagami
Height 161cm
Weight 47kg
Blood type O type
3Size B86/W57/H82
Birthday 10/14

Fuuko Ibuki
Height 150cm
Weight 41kg
Blood type B type
3Size B78/W54/H79
Birthday 7/20

Kotomi Ichinose
Height 160cm
Weight 48kg
Blood type A type
3Size B88/W58/H85
Birthday 5/13

Don't know what about Ryou.

[Aizu]

Okay, this is Ryou (藤林 椋) :

誕生日：9月9日。身長：159cm。体重：47kg。血液型：O型

As for others - check the japanese wiki Clannad page (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLANNAD_(%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0)).

[Balor]

I hear that in the game there is a baseball route. Is this true? If so how do you get to it?

[Klashikari]

Please check the following post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1338651#post1338651). I put every conditions/flags for the baseball route.

[Zenemis]

Is there any source for Tomoya/Sunohara's height?

I'm guessing Tomoya is around 185cm, Sunohara around 170cm?

[RandomFlameStrike]

Ryou is shorter and heavier than Kyou? And it seems like Tomoyo's the tallest too.

[Aizu]

Unbelievable difference in 1 kg and 1 cm.

[Moonie]

Ryou is shorter and heavier than Kyou?

Unbelievable difference in 1 kg and 1 cm.

Maybe her bust makes up for it. :heh:

[Aizu]

It's interesting - Key studio photos (http://www.senakablog.com/archives/2007/10/clannadkey.html).

[Ice Block]

It's interesting - Key studio photos (http://www.senakablog.com/archives/2007/10/clannadkey.html).
I had searched everywhere for a scan of Kyou's poster there, but could never find it. Also, it's a bit weird to see her dressed like that, and the poster used the game's character design. Makes me think...

[LustfulEnvy]

It's interesting - Key studio photos (http://www.senakablog.com/archives/2007/10/clannadkey.html).

Those are some cool posters.

[Aizu]

I had searched everywhere for a scan of Kyou's poster there
Yes, I'm searching for it too. According to this : 超レアポスターその2 白浪浜の杏ポスター - this is really a very rare poster.

[Formely_anon]

I know you guys probably get this a lot but I was wondering (just started playing the game and all) if there was anywhere I could get a translation of the voices or words that come up when you're in the other world?

[Deadwings]

I don't have the game and I don't know what do you mean with "other world", but I know they are working on an english patch for the game here (http://clannad.thewafflehouse.net/index.php), but it's not finished yet. I hope that answers your doubts.

[Formely_anon]

I don't have the game and I don't know what do you mean with "other world", but I know they are working on an english patch for the game here (http://clannad.thewafflehouse.net/index.php), but it's not finished yet. I hope that answers your doubts.

Thanks man, that helped :)

Another stupid question- I've just done Tomoyo's route (I think...) and looked through a walkthrough and I don't think I did much different to it, but I was wondering how you could tell how many lights you've picked up since I can't remember collecting hers.

[MeoTwister5]

Thanks man, that helped :)

Another stupid question- I've just done Tomoyo's route (I think...) and looked through a walkthrough and I don't think I did much different to it, but I was wondering how you could tell how many lights you've picked up since I can't remember collecting hers.

You'll see them in the game's main menu. Kinda hard to see the lights in low brightness but once you see them you'll know they're there.

[Formely_anon]

You'll see them in the game's main menu. Kinda hard to see the lights in low brightness but once you see them you'll know they're there.

The little spots down in the bottom left hand side of the screen? Cool, thanks man:D

[Aizu]

Note, you can see this lights even in anime after some episodes (actually, route-ending episodes, like in the game after ending a route you will get a new orb). Masterpiece. Kyoto adds even a small details.

[Leo_Otaku]

Was there suppose to be a 10 minute bit with some of the After Story on DVD 8? Or am I crazy >.>?

[Aizu]

Hmm, yes. But let's wait for a comments from people who already got a DVD.

[Aizu]

Clannad DVD 8 :

Description (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=PCBX-50978): Eighth DVD release from anime series "Clannad" includes episodes 22 through 24. Limited edition includes bonus original booklet, box to house the booklets for eight volumes, and bonus card.

Special Features: audio commentary from the Kyoto Animation staff, interview footage (Hoko Kuwashima), creditless intro and outro.

Some images : http://obliviousity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/clannad_dvd_8_2.jpg?w=500&h=375http://obliviousity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/clannad_dvd_8_1.jpg?w=500&h=375http://obliviousity.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/clannad_dvd_8_6.jpg

A small review with images is here (http://obliviousity.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/clannad-dvd-8-tomoyo-hen/).

And no even the word about AS small bonus preview.

[Leo_Otaku]

oooh so nice to have the LE one...I will wait a few years before I get them lol

Thats so weird about the AS bonus episode...

[ElinOng]

Ah, so it looks like I have to talk to her during Tomoyo route
I LOVE YOU!!!

[fallin up]

Note, you can see this lights even in anime after some episodes (actually, route-ending episodes, like in the game after ending a route you will get a new orb). Masterpiece. Kyoto adds even a small details.

hey really thats so cool. i didnt notice that in my first watch. do you know an episode number of when this occurs? i really want to see.

[Aizu]

First light orb will be in episode 7. This orb should be Kouko's.

Btw, according to wiki -"Prototype also produced a PlayStation Portable version of the game released on May 29, 2008 which included the additions from the PC full voice version". What additions, for example ?

[Leo_Otaku]

Looking at the official page I think it is being shown at the festa in August >.< have to wait till then buuu.

[fallin up]

First light orb will be in episode 7. This orb should be Kouko's.


do you mean the light under the title of the episode?

[Aizu]

Yes, right under the title.

[Formely_anon]

do you mean the light under the title of the episode?

Eh? Really? What time (on SS-Eclipse subs if possible)

[fallin up]

Eh? Really? What time (on SS-Eclipse subs if possible)

check under the episode title of episode 7

[fallin up]

so do the IW robot and IW girl ever become important to the actual story of the characters? are they incorporated into the After Story? or is there purpose in the story completely metaphorical? if they are incorporated into the After Story, please dont tell me any spoilers!;)

[Klashikari]

They are core characters in After Story, or rather actually for Clannad as whole.
The purpose is both metaphorical and facts, you will see by yourself.

[Invi]

In the last ep of Clannad (I mean 24 ep) there was 6 light orbs.
Can someone remind me, whose they are?
one for Kotomi
one for Sunohara siblings
one for Fujibayashi twins
one for Nagisa
one for Tomoyo
i have no idea whose may be the six one

If KyoAni want to gather all light orbs then for school arc, there are 2 orbs missing right? So maybe there is little chance for Kappei route being animated?
I have no idea how KyoAni would fit his story into the rest... maybe next OVA?
So with kappei that would be 7 lights, still there is one missing^^'

[Aizu]

In the last ep of Clannad (I mean 24 ep) there was 6 light orbs.
i have no idea whose may be the six one
Kouko Ibuki

[Invi]

No wonder that I didn't know whose could be the sixth orb...

Thanks

[Klashikari]

I don't think we can consider an orb for Nagisa (for obvious reasons).
Considering the timing for the second one, it would be rather Fuuko's.

[Invi]

Emm, you're right Klashikari, my bad. So if other one is Fuko/Kouko and if Nagisa cant have orb now, then who? Toshio Koumura? Misae? Because Kappei is out of question, and I don't think it's Yukine :P

[Aizu]

Fuuko & Kouko - two different orbs in anime.

[Invi]

Rly? Then I think I'll rewatch Clannad again instead of studding maths.:heh:

Thanks.

[anthonzi]

Hey I was wondering if someone could shed some light on a plot point that's been confusing the heck out of me. Maybe someone who understands Japanese religion can help me ^^


1.In the Kotomi route on May 8th, which religion is most likely being referred to when it says "kami/god"? Is it referring to the Christian God(I can only assume so since Japanese religions are polytheistic)? If it is indeed the Christian God...

2. Why would theoretical physicists(Kotomi's parents) bother with the idea or believe in god??? Although its possible for scientists to be religious, theoretical physics is about the most atheistic discipline I can think of (>.<)

For a theoretical physicist to teach their child about god just doesn't make sense lmao!!!

So is there a cultural reason for my confusion, or were the script writers just not thinking that deeply?

[MeoTwister5]

Hey I was wondering if someone could shed some light on a plot point that's been confusing the heck out of me. Maybe someone who understands Japanese religion can help me ^^


1.In the Kotomi route on May 8th, which religion is most likely being referred to when it says "kami/god"? Is it referring to the Christian God(I can only assume so since Japanese religions are polytheistic)? If it is indeed the Christian God...

2. Why would theoretical physicists(Kotomi's parents) bother with the idea or believe in god??? Although its possible for scientists to be religious, theoretical physics is about the most atheistic discipline I can think of (>.<)

For a theoretical physicist to teach their child about god just doesn't make sense lmao!!!

So is there a cultural reason for my confusion, or were the script writers just not thinking that deeply?

1. AFAIK, no officially mainland Japanese religion explicitly defines the existence of a single god. Most likely it refers to a religion that is monotheistic, and given the circumstances it may be based on Christianity which was introduced into Japan.

2. Theoretical physics, and physics in general, attempts to investigate the nature and properties of this 3D universe and all interactions between phenomena, and such inquiries are not necessarily directed at the origins of the universe. Physics does not intrinsically attempt to debunk the possible existence of a creator, and assuming there is a god, physics main prupose is to investigate the reality of the universe this creator made. It is bound to discover this realm of existence and universe, and not try to answer if there is a god behind it all.

[Kagami~n]

Sorry if this is already being asked/discussed, I read over some old discussion but I guess I'm a little slow...

Are you all saying that the light orbs from the game can be seen in the anime? I never noticed them. Were they obvious?

[Klashikari]

Yes, they are pretty much like in game: at the bottom of the tree, when the episode title is shown.

[MeoTwister5]

Supposedly more light orbs appear there when more character resolutios happen. I haven't noticed myself.

[Proto]

There is another theory according to which they appeared when a new CLANNAD DVD was released :heh:

[anthonzi]

1. AFAIK, no officially mainland Japanese religion explicitly defines the existence of a single god. Most likely it refers to a religion that is monotheistic, and given the circumstances it may be based on Christianity which was introduced into Japan.

2. Theoretical physics, and physics in general, attempts to investigate the nature and properties of this 3D universe and all interactions between phenomena, and such inquiries are not necessarily directed at the origins of the universe. Physics does not intrinsically attempt to debunk the possible existence of a creator, and assuming there is a god, physics main prupose is to investigate the reality of the universe this creator made. It is bound to discover this realm of existence and universe, and not try to answer if there is a god behind it all.

Thanks for clearing up my first question. While I could argue profusely that the agnostic approach to science is a masquerade so that it can be politically correct, appeal globally, and be useful to everyone, I'm not gonna argue that here. The principle you present is widely accepted amongst the scientific community, so I'll leave it at that. m(_ _)m May our souls find eternal peace.

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"oh wait-" ^_-

Edit: BTW...

As requested, here's the 300 hour guide translated:
The 300 hour guide is actually derived from the 90 hours guide, so I presented here first:
CLANNAD 90 hours walkthrough
90 hours is the official time for finishing the main routes, completing 100% and BGM. But experienced players might be able to do it faster.


<attention>
Do enter Sakagami Tomoyo route after Sagare Misae
<tips>
Ichinose Kotomi route is completely independent from other routes, and can be done anytime you like.
Ibuki Fuko route is independent from other routes as well, but should be completed eariler.
Miyazawa Yukine and Mei Sunohara can be played parallel. On the 20th of April, save on the first choice.
If you choose to 'help', then enter Mei Sunohara route
If not enter Miyazawa Yukine route.

Fujibayashi Ryou/Fujibayashi Kyou route and Kiiragi Kappei route can be played paralle. On the 20th of Apirl, save. On the 28th of Apirl of the twin's route, save also.
4.20
　　Choose 'help to enter Kiiragi Kappei route
　　Otherwise enter Fujibayashi Ryou/Fujibayashi Kyou route
4.28
　　Choose 'I like short hair' to enter Fujibayashi Ryou route
　　Choose 'I like long hair ' to enter Fujibayashi Kyou route

Koumura Toshio and Furukawa Nagisa's routes can be played in parallel. On the 4th of Apirl, save.
　　Choose 'pass the ball to me' to enter Furukawa Nagisa route
　　Otherwise enter Koumura Toshio route

Sagare Misae and Sakagami Tomoyo's routes can be played in parallel. On the 21st of Apirl, save.
　　Choose 'enter Misae's room' to enter her route.
　　Otherwise enter Sakagami Tomoyo's route

　　A total of 8 lights can be collected in the school life section. But one might disappear from making a wish for Fuko
　　CG/Music Mode will be unlocked after you complete one route for the first time
　　After Story will be unlocked after getting 8 lights and finishing Nagisa + Fuko's route. If you made a wish for Fuko then it will be unlocked with 7 lights
　　You only loose lights for once. Repeating the same event will not deduct anymore lights.
　　TIPS
　　On the 14th of Apirl, there 7 different speeches you can speak when you choose to record something in Sunohara's tape
　　On the 15th of Apirl, Sunohara Yuhei has two verisons of songs. This is determined wether you choose to record into his tape or not.
　　See Appendix for more....



On the beginning there is no choice. Save at the first week when Tomoya lives together with Nagisa
　　Choose 'reject' to continue After Story
　　Choose 'help' to enter week 2 of After Story

Save on the day your daughter is born.

<attention>
　　No choice can will appear here yet
　　Only when finish week one of After Story and with 13 lights will there be a choice for you. Return to this save when you've fullfilled the requirements
　　Choose 'don't cry for help' to continue week one of After Story
　　Choose 'cry for help' to enter True End



Detailed walkthrough of each routes and After Story:



The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.
4.14
　　Record into his tape
　　Say something
4.15
　　Ignore her
　　Study
　　To the courtyard (don't go and you'll get a different scene with Misae later)
　　Keep talking
　　Keep watching
　　Not interested
　　Concerned
　　Talk to Misae(*)
4.16
　　Forget it
　　No need to do so
4.17
　　Walk around outside
　　Talk to Misae(*)
4.18
　　Fortune tell yourself
　　Back to the classroom
　　Talk to Misae(*)
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him
　　Ask to come again(*)
4.21
　　Wake up properly
　　Serious(*)
　　Care for me(*)
　　Blanket smells good(*)
(End)
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The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.
4.14
　　Record into his tape
　　Say something
4.15
　　Ignore
　　Study
　　To the courtyard(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Keep watching(*)
　　I'm interested(*)
　　Concerned
　　Talk to Misae
4.16
　　Go(*)
　　Forget it
　　Go buy it
　　Let her do it alone
4.17
　　Go(*)
　　Go(*)
　　Go(*)
　　Walk around in school
　　Sleep
　　Talk to her
　　Talk to her
4.18
　　Accept(*)
　　Kick him back
　　Fortune tell Sunohara
　　Let her go
　　Empty Classroom
　　Keep watching
　　Sleep there
　　Leave
　　Help(*)
　　Talk to her
4.19
　　Tell him to give up(*)
　　Go home
4.20
　　Follow him
　　Leave
　　Won't come again
4.21
　　Walk up and go to school(*)
　　Greet her(*)
　　Keep waiting
　　It's good(*)
　　Eat it now
4.22
　　On my way home
　　No, that's not what I meant…(*)
　　Stop him(*)
4.23
　　Nothing useless
　　Pretend you just found me
　　Sleep
　　That girl wants a drama club(*)
4.24
　　I might just want to be with Tomoyo(*)
4.25
　　Prepare
4.26
　　Eat in canteen
5.02
　　Imagine yourself
5.03
　　Imagine
　　Forget
　　No...not like that
5.04
　　Say bye and leave
5.05
　　We can't continue like this(*)
5.06
　　Talk
　　No(*)
5.11
save here and come back if you havn't done Toshio Koumura
　　Kick it back(64Hit)
　　Help(this scene will not appear if your previous route is not Sagare Misae)(Misae's light GET)
(End，Sakagami Tomoyo's light GET)
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The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.

4.14
　　Record into his tape
　　Say something
4.15
　　Ignore her
　　Study
　　Ignore her
　　Go out
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Forget it
4.17
　　Walk outside school
　　See her leave
4.18
　　Fortune tell Sunohara
　　Sleep there(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Sleep
4.19
　　To old school building
　　To data room
4.20
　　Go with him
　　Keep watching
　　Refuse
　　Play it
　　Watch her leave
4.21
　　Walk up and go to school
4.22
　　Say hi to me first
　　Go
　　Ryou
4.23
　　Talk like $$$(can't pronunce)
　　No
　　Dont listen to phone
4.24
　　Don't play
　　Yes(*)
　　Yes(*)
　　Let her sleep on(*)
(End，Miyazawa Yukine's light GET)
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The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.
4.14
　　Record into his tape
　　Say Something
4.15
　　Apologize(*)
　　Study
　　Ignore her
　　Go out
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Greet old lady
　　Keep asking(*)
　　Forget it
4.17
　　Walk outside school
　　See her leave
4.18
　　Card Fortune Tell
　　Back to the classroom
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him
4.21
　　Go later
　　Dodge right
　　Leave
　　Tear it and throw it away
4.22
　　Introduce yourself first
　　Take it home(*)
4.23
　　Follow him(*)
　　Like a spaceman who saved earth
　　Don't listen to phone
4.24
　　Really? Can I really?(*)
4.25
　　Go to school gate(*)
　　Friends
4.26
　　If that is fine with you…(*)
Path split: choose one character

4.28
　　Act like a tragedy
　　Like short hair(*)
5.01
　　It taste good...
5.03
　　Watch Ryou in silence
5.04
　　Blue gem(*)
5.05
　　Lovers
　　Kiss(*)
(End of Ryou's route, this is a bad end)


The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.
From the 28th of Apirl:
4.28
　　Take it school
　　I like long hair(*)
5.01
　　Taste horrible…
5.03
　　Practice(*)
5.04
　　Purple gem(*)
5.05
　　Lover
　　Kiss(*)
5.07
　　Dash out(*)
End, (Fujibayashi Kyou's light GET)
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4.14
　　Record into his tape
　　Say something
4.15
　　Apologize
　　Study
　　Ignore her
　　Go out
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Greet old lady
　　Keep asking
　　Forget it
4.17
　　Walk outside school
　　Watch her leave
4.18
　　Fortune Tell with breast
　　Back to the classroom
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Follow him(*)
　　Keep watching(*)
　　Help(*)
4.21
　　Go later(*)
　　Dodge right(*)
　　Shake him
　　Return it to him after finding out the address(*)
4.22
　　Introduce yourself first
　　Return Bu-tan to Kyou(*)
　　Don't help(*)
4.23
　　Pretend to be lovers at the train station
　　Don't listen to phone
4.24
　　Don't participate(*)
　　Introduce a place for him to live(*)
(End，Hiiragi Kappei's light GET)
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The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.
4.14
　　Record into his tape
　　Say something
4.15
　　Ignore her
　　Study
　　Ignore her
　　Go out
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Forget it
4.17
　　Walk outside school
　　Watch her leave
4.18
　　Fortune yourself
　　Back to the classroom
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Follow him
　　Keep watching
　　Help
4.21
　　Walk up and go to school
4.22
　　Say hi first
4.23
　　Drink while speaking
　　Listen to the phone for Sunohara(*)
4.24
　　Agree to help(*)
　　Fujibayashi sisters
　　Kyou
　　Watch from afar
(End，Sunohara siblings's light GET)
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4.15
　　Ignore(*)
　　Run away from class(*)
　　Eat
　　To the courtyard(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Go out
　　Not concerned
　　Ignore her
4.17
　　Run from class(*)
　　Go together(*)
　　See did she cut this book(*)
　　Walk outside school
　　Watch her leave
4.18
　　Fortune tell Sunohara
　　Library(*)
　　Scare him
　　Enter the library(*)
　　Call her name
　　Can't ignore her(*)
4.19
　　Go home
　　Enter the bookstore
　　Walk her home
4.20
　　Ask to stay(*)
　　Read
4.21
　　Walk up and go to school
　　Say no
4.23
　　Enter the office
4.25
　　Stay here
4.29
　　Go out
4.30
　　Help Kotomi(*)
5.03
　　Not right now(*)
5.04
　　Forget(*)
5.05
　　Confess
5.08
　　Anser: Why you ask this?
5.10
　　Continue(*)
5.11
　　Comfort her 'don't give up'(*)
　　Continue(*)
(End，Ichinose Kotomi's light GET)
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The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.
4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Ignore her
　　Study
　　To the courtyard(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Go out
　　Concerned(*)
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Forget it
　　Go buy it(*)
　　Help(*)
　　You can't do that
4.17
　　Attraction
　　Go find her(*)
　　Go to next door(*)
　　Talk to her(*)
4.18
　　Fortune Sunohara
　　Sieze her
　　Empty Classroom(*)
　　Keep watching(*)
　　Back to the classroom
　　Which type of guy you like?
　　Run away with Nagisa
4.19
　　Go see
4.20
　　Where's Sanae
　　Ignore him
4.21
　　Look outside the window(*)
　　Let her drink with her nose
　　Let Nagisa go again
　　Let Nagisa try once again
4.22
　　Slash
　　Discuss with Fuko
　　Discuss with Fujibayashi
　　Prank: Move Fuko somewhere else　　
　　Bring home
　　Don't help
4.23
　　No(*)
　　Say I love you 24 hours a day
　　No(*)
　　A change of mood(*)
　　Stop her(*)
　　Prank: Move Fuko somewhere else 2
　　Don't listen to phone
4.24
　　Stop her
　　Prank: Find someone to pretend to be self
　　Watch her(*)
4.25
　　Stop her
　　Prank: Find someone to pretend to be self 2
4.26
　　Ask them(*)
　　Keep her here
　　Decided to help her(*)
　　Make Fuko drink with her nose 2
4.27
　　Tell her the truth
　　Hold her nose
　　Yeah…
4.28
　　Bear with a fish
　　Let her join the discussion
　　Prank: Change her craving
4.29
　　Go with Nagisa
　　Prank: Change her craving 2 (Fuko master GET)
4.30
　　Data roomhttp://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=1191340#post1191340
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　　Squeeze her nose (Fuko ninja GET)
5.02
　　Find someone else
5.03
　　Rock
5.11
　　Take over(*)
　　Can I kiss？(*)(enter True End)　　OR　　Stay like this (*)(enter Good End)
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The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.
4.14
　　Record into his tape
　　Say something
4.15
　　Ignore
　　Study
　　To courtyard(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Keep watching
　　Interested
　　Concerned
　　Talk to her
4.16
　　Go
　　Forget it
　　Go buy it(*)
　　Help(*)
　　Want to do that
4.17
　　Go with him
　　Go with him
　　Go with him
　　Insert pictures
　　Go look for her
　　Go see next doors
　　Talk to her
4.18
　　Accept
　　Kick back
　　Fortune tell Sunohara
　　Seize her
　　Empty classroom
　　Keep watching
　　Back to the classroom
　　Help
　　What type of drama is going to show?
　　Run away with Nagisa
4.19
　　Let him give up
　　Go see
4.20
　　How's Nagisa's body condition?
　　Go with him
　　Keep watching
　　Help
4.21
　　See outside window(*)
　　Keep waiting
　　Let Nagisa go again
　　Go in Nagisa's place
4.22
　　Pretend to see nothing
　　Steal
　　Discuss with Fuko
　　Discuss with class tutor
　　Wait patiently
　　Throw it away
　　Don't help4.23
　　No(*)
　　Nothing useless
　　No(*)
　　Sleep
　　Listen to phone
4.24
　　Hold her tight(*)
4.26
　　Get going(*)
　　Go find
　　Don't want her to join
　　Yes
4.27
　　yes
4.28
　　Find in new school building
　　Go to third floor
　　Explain
　　Stop her
4.29
　　(Pray for Fuko)(*)
4.30
　　pass to Kyou(*)
(End，Toshio Koumura's light GET)
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The '*' marked choice are the essential ones. You can go for other choices in other parts for different dialogs.
The '(1)' marked choices affacts what happens in the after story.
The '(2)' marked choices are essential for more characters to show up in Nagisa's graduation's after story.

4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Apologize(2)
　　Study
　　To the courtyard(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Keep watching(2)
　　I'm also interested(2)
　　Concerned(*)
　　Talk to her(2)
4.16
　　Greet the old lady
　　Nothing to worry about
　　The girl yesterday…
　　Go(2)
　　Forget it
　　Help(*)
　　Want to do that
4.17
　　Follow him(2)
　　Follow him(2)
　　Follow him(2)
　　Insert pictures
　　Go find her
　　Go see the next door classroom
　　Talk to her
4.18
　　Accept(2)
　　Kick back
　　Card Fortune Telling
　　Seize her
　　Empty Classroom
　　Keep watching　　　　
　　Back to the classroom
　　Help(2)
　　What's that on the poster?
　　Run away with Nagisa
4.19
　　Tell him to give up
　　Go and see
4.20
　　How's Furukawa's body condition?
　　Follow him(1)
　　Keep watching(1)
　　Help(1)
4.21
　　Look outside the window(*)
　　Keep waiting
　　Negotiate for her
4.22
　　Talk to Tomoyo(2)
　　Magic
　　Discuss with Fuko
　　Discuss with the Fujibayashi sisters(2)
　　Wait patiently
　　Bring home
　　Don't help
4.23
　　No(*)
　　Nothing useless
　　No(*)
　　Sleep
　　Listen to the phone(2)
4.24
　　Hug her tightly(*)
4.26
　　Get going(*)
　　Wait till Monday
　　Yes(2)
4.27
　　Yes(2)
4.28
　　Search in the new school building(2)
　　Search on the second floor(2)
　　You can(2)
　　Do something stupid for the last time(2)
　　Stop her
4.29
　　(Pray for Fuko)(1)
4.30
　　Pass to me(*)
5.01
　　Present
5.02
　　Like(1)
5.10
　　Take away script
5.11
　　You are a great father(*)
　　Call out for Nagisa(*)
(End)
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I don't have a detailed walk through for the after story, but here are the choices given, so I'm translating from another place. However if you use the following walkthrough for After Story you'll have to follow MY play order(Fuko->Koumura->Nagisa) and do all the choices exactly as seen in the detailed Nagisa walkthrough above:
As usual, the '*' marked are the essential ones. The rest you can improvise.

<attention>
　　Only with 11 lights can you finish week two
　　Only with 13 lights and through week one you can enter week through 3


5.05
　　(top)
5.06
　　(top)
5.09
　　(top)
　　(top)
5.12
　　(top)
5.13
　　(top)
　　(top)
5.16
　　(top)
┃　　　(top)(*)
┃
┃　　　　　　　(top)
┃　　　(Furukawa Sanae's light GET)
┃
┃　　　　　　　(top)(*)
┃　　　　　　　(bottom)(*)
┃　　　　　　　(bottom)(*)
┃
　　(bototm)
　　(bottom)(*)
　　(bottom)(*)
　　(bottom)
　　(Yoshino Yusuke's light GET)
　　(bottom)
　　(bottom)
　　(bottom)
　　(top)
┃　　　(Okazaki Naoyuki's light GET)
┃　　　　　　　(top)(*)
┃　　　(Ibuki Fuko's light GET)
┃　　　(Ibuki Kouko's light GET)
┃
(End)


5.05
　　(top)
5.06
　　(top)
5.09
　　(bottom)
　　(bottom)
5.12
　　(top)
5.13
　　(top)
　　(top)
5.16
　　(top)
　　(bototm)(*)
　　(top)
　　(top)
(End，Furukawa Akio)


5.05
　　(top)
5.06
　　(top)
5.09
　　(top)
　　(top)
5.12
　　(top)
5.13
　　(top)
　　(top)
5.16
　　(top)
┃　　　(top)(*)
┃
┃　　　　　　　(top)
┃
┃　　　　　　　(top)(*)
┃　　　　　　　(top)(*)
┃　　　　　　　(bottom)(*)
┃
　　(top)
　　(bottom)(*)
　　(bottom)(*)
　　(bottom)
　　(middle)
　　(top)
　　(top)
　　(Cry out for help)(*)
(True　Ending)





In Yukine's route there are 'spell games' that you can play on the 23rd and 24th of Apirl. There are many different variations to the storage curse.

Follow the following steps to get:


4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Ignore her
　　Study
　　To the courtyard(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Go out
　　Concerned(*)
4.16
　　Forget it
　　No need to do that(*)
　　Walk outside school
　　See her leave
4.18
　　Fortune tell yourself
　　Sleep inside(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Back to the classroom
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him(*)
　　Find some other manga
4.21
　　Walk up and go to school
4.22
　　Pretend to find me first
　　Go(*)
　　Ryou
4.23
　　Like lovers at the train station
　　Try(*)
　　Don't listen to phone
4.24
　　Play(*)
　　Try it(*)
　　Furukawa…(*)
Enjoy!



4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Ignore her
　　Study
　　To the courtyard(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Go out
　　Concerned(*)
4.16
　　Forget it
　　Go buy it
　　Let her do it alone(*)
　　Walk outside school
　　See her leave
4.18
　　Fortune tell yourself
　　Sleep inside(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Back to the classroom
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him(*)
　　Read another manga
4.21
　　Walk up and go to school
4.22
　　Pretend to find me first
　　Go(*)
　　Kyou
4.23
　　Like a spaceman who saved earth
　　Don't play(*)
　　Don't listen to phone4.24
　　Play(*)
　　Try it(*)
　　Furukawa…(*)



4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Ignore
　　Study
　　Ignore her
　　Keep watching(*)
　　I'm interested(*)
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Go(*)
　　Forget it
4.17
　　Follow him(*)
　　Follow him(*)
　　Follow him(*)
　　Walk outside school
　　Watch her leave
4.18
　　Accept(*)
　　Kick back
　　Fortune tell yourself
　　Sleep inside(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Back to the classroom
　　Help(*)
4.19
　　Tell him to give up
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him(*)
　　Read another manga
4.21
　　Wake up and go to school
　　Greet her
　　It's good
　　Hold it in
4.22
　　Silence
　　Trouble(*)
　　Go
　　Tomoyo
4.23
　　Pretend to find me first
　　Try it(*)
　　Don't listen to phone
4.24
　　Play(*)
　　Try it(*)
　　Tomoyo…
Enjoy!



4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Apologize(*)
　　Study
　　Ignore her
　　Go out
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Walk there
　　Keep asking
　　Forget it
4.17
　　Walk outside school
　　Watch her leave
4.18
　　Card fortune tell
　　Sleep in there(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Back to the classroom
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him(*)
4.21
　　Go later
　　Stand and wait for it
4.22
　　Pretend to find me first
　　Go
　　Kyou
　　Take it back
4.23
　　Follow him
　　Like a manga with a few volumes wasted on memories
　　Try it(*)
　　Don't listen to phone
4.24
　　No, no thanks(*)
　　Play(*)
　　Try it(*)
　　Kyou…(*)
Enjoy!



Misae has no Storage room adventure
4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Ignore her
　　Study
　　Ignore her
　　Go out
　　Talk to her(*)
4.16
　　Forget it
4.17
　　Walk outside school
　　Talk to her(*)
4.18
　　Fortune tell Sunohara
　　Sleep inside(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Back to classroom
　　Talk to her(*)
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him(*)
　　Won't come again
4.21
　　Wake up and go to school
4.22
　　Pretend to find me first
　　Go
　　Kyou
4.23
　　Like a manga with a few volumes waste on memories
　　try it(*)
That's it



Fuko does not have a storage room adavnture
4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Ignore her
　　Study
　　Ignore her
　　Go out
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Forget it
4.17
　　Walk inside school(*)
　　Sleep(*)
　　Talk to her(*)
　　See her leave
4.18
　　Fortune tell Sunohara
　　Let her go
　　Empty Classroom(*)
　　Keep watching(*)
　　Sleep inside(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Back to the classroom
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him
4.21
　　Wake up and go to school
　　Keep waiting
4.22
　　Pretend to find me first
　　Go
　　Kyou
　　Keep waiting
　　Throw it away
4.23
　　Nothing useless
　　Like a manga with a few volumes wasted on memories
　　Try it(*)
That's it



At sometimes you are prompt to read manga or play a 'doki doki high school' mini game. Here's the walkthrough for the mini game:

(Start)
┃
┣Confess to her→(Game　Over)
┃
See her leave
┃
┣Confess to her→(Game　Over)
┃
Watch her in silence
┃
┣Watch her leave→(Game　Over)
┃
Confess to her
┃
┣Hug her→(Game　Over)
┃
Shrug off her
┃
┣Run away alone→(Game　Over)
┃
Run with Steve
┃
┣Leave it to Steve→(Game　Over)
┃
Fight yourself
┃
┣Don't open
┃┃
┃┣Walk forward→(Game　Over)
┃┃
┃┣Walk left→(The　End)
┃┃
┃┗Walk right→(Game　Over)
┃
┗Open
　　┃
　　┣Hug him→(Game　Over)
　　┃
　　Shrug him off
　　┃
　　┣Act together→(Game　Over)
　　┃
　　Shrug her off→(Finish)
……seriously, this is one hell of a screwed up story. It's so screwed up it's even funny.


Sunohara's girlfriend?
In Mei Sunohara's route you'll have to find Sunohara a girlfriend. You'll end up with Sanae in the end no matter what but here's some thing else you can do...

4.14
　　Forget it
4.15
　　Apologize(*)
　　Study
　　To the courtyard(*)
　　Keep talking(*)
　　Keep watching(*)
　　I'm interested(*)
　　Concerned(*)
　　Ignore her
4.16
　　Walk
　　Keep asking(*)
　　Things in the past…
　　Go
　　Forget it
　　Let her do it herself(*)
4.17
　　Follow him(*)
　　Follow him(*)
　　Follow him(*)
　　Walk inside school(*)
　　Sleep(*)
　　Talk to her(*)
　　Watch her leave
4.18
　　Reject(*)
　　Card fortune tell
　　Let her go
　　Empty classroom(*)
　　Keep watching(*)
　　Back to the classroom
4.19
　　Go home
4.20
　　Ignore him
4.21
　　Go later
　　Stand still and wait
　　Keep waiting
4.22
　　Say hi first
　　Take it back(*)
　　Keep waiting
　　Throw it away
4.23
　　Nothing useless
　　Run away(*)
　　Sleep
　　Answer phone(*)
4.24
　　Accept(*)
┃
┣Fubayashi sistrs
┃　　　┃
┃　　　┣Older sister
┃　　　┗Younger Sister
┃
Something else...
┃
┣Ask Furukawa
┃
Something else...
┃
┣Tomoyo
┃
Something else
┃
┣Fuko
┃
Something else...
┃
┣I'll be your girlfriend!
┃
Something else...
(Repeat)
……



Through out the Ibuki Fuko route you can play pranks on Fuko. But here are somethings you'll have to pay attention to:

There are some days where some prank options are unavaliable. And there they are:

4.26　　Find someone to pretend to be self & Change her craving
4.28　　Find someone to pretend to be self & Take Fuko somewhere else
4.29　　Find someone to pretend to be self


Here are the details of what you can do in the pranks

Move Fuko somewhere else
4.24-4.26　　 　Lv1　 　Guy's toilet
4.25-4.26　　 　Lv2　 Principal's Room
4.25-4.26　　 　Lv2(*)　Data room
4.29　　　　　　 Any Lv 　Akio's Room
(*)On 4.18, sleep in data room twice. That is, sleep -> talk with Yukine -> Sleep.

Change Fuko's craving
4.23-4.25　　　 Lv1　　 Shoe
4.24-4.25　　　 Lv2　 　Human Model
4.28　　　　　　Any Lv　 Sunohara's face
4.29　　　　　　Any Lv 　Slippers


Partners for 3 v 3 basketball in Nagisa/Toshio's route
You can have different partners other than Tomoyo and Kyou. Here's a detailed walkthrough for how to get each chracter:

<Attention: Fubayashi Ryou, Ibuki Yukine and Furukawa Nagisa as partner will result in aloose, giving you the Bad End>


4.26
　　Wait till Monday
　　Yes
4.27
　　Yes
4.28
　　Search in old school building
　　Search in data room
　　Don't invite her
　　Ask Miss Misae
……



4.26
　　Go find someone
　　Let Koumuru join
　　Yes
4.27
　　Yes
4.28
　　Search in the new school building
　　Search in the second floor
　　Think about it again
　　Search in new school building
　　Search in the third floor
　　Troublesome…
　　Don't force yourself
　　Search in old school building
　　Search in empty classroom
　　Think about it again
　　Search in old school building
　　Search in data room
　　Don't invite her
　　No
　　Let her play with Mei
……



seriously, this guy is the funniest guy I've ever seen in any galgames
4.26
　　Wait till Monday
　　Yes
4.27
　　Yes
4.28
　　Search in the new school building
　　Search on the 2nd floor
　 Think bout it again
　　Search in the new school building
　　Search on the 3rd floor
　　But this is troublesome…
　　Don't force yourself
　　Search in old school building
　　Search in empty classroom
　　Think about it again
　　Search in old school building
　　Search in data room
　　Don't invite her
　　No
　　Let her play with Mei


And here for the loosing players...

4.26
　　Wait till Monday
　　Yes
4.27
　　Yes
4.28
　　Search in the new school building
　　Search on the 3rd floor
　　But this is troublesome...
　　Please, join us
……



4.26
　　Wait till Monday
　　Yes
4.27
　　Yes
4.28
　　Search in old school building
　　Search in the empty classroom
　　Yes
……



4.26
　　Wait till Monday
　　Yes
4.27
　　Yes
4.28
　　Search in old school building
　　Ask in data room
　　Invite her
……



4.26
　　Wait till Monday
　　Yes
4.27
　　Yes
4.28
　　Search in new school building
　　Search on the 2nd floor
　　Think about it again
　　Search in new school building
　　Search on the 3rd floor
　　But this is troublesome…
　　Don't push yourself
　　Search in old school building
　　Search in empty classroom
　　Think about it again
　　Search in old school building
　　Search in data room
　　Don't invite her
　　No
　　Let her practice
……



Repeating scenes.
Some scenes have various versions to it that you can play it again and find new items! Things include:

There are a total of 7 versions of songs you can record into Sunohara's tape in the beginning of the story! Can you get it all?

There are two versions of songs Sunohara will sing on the 15th. That depends weather you mess up his tape or not.


Complete After Story once and return to Tomoyo route. Sunohara's face will deform at some point when beaten!


In Fuko's route, do various pranks to get the title Fuko Master and eventually Fuko Ninja and you'll have Fuko appearing like a ninja when you reply Tomoyo route




To be continued...
Contents to be added:
Walkthrough for baseball route
Walkthrough for war game route
Walkthrough for bad end
Walkthrough for mysterious man
I ended up making a new version...Uguu...

Thank you for this wonderful translation!

[Youhei]

Hi, I am wondering what font is used for the Clannad title?
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1862/clannadff2.gif

[Aizu]

This question is similar to this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1895598&postcount=166) one - can someone proof it ? If this true - then Clannad should be originally produced in HD.

[Kaisos Erranon]

This question is similar to this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1895598&postcount=166) one - can someone proof it ? If this true - then Clannad should be originally produced in HD.

Not really HD, just an upscale... and they cut off the edges or do pan-and-scan for the broadcast version, rather than the cable version that airs 2 weeks later.

And it looks like they're doing that with AS too...

[Aizu]

No, no. They clearly said that they are producing animation in HD starting from Kanon - that means that originally it was produced in HD-quality and isn't an upscale. But if this true - then why a) Kanon 2006 wasn't aired in HD b) next their project - LS - aired in HD but was an upscale c) Clannad wasn't in HD ?

What is this ?

[Invi]

Hmm. Maybe HD version is only for Blue-Ray release?

[Kaisos Erranon]

No, no. They clearly said that they are producing animation in HD starting from Kanon - that means that originally it was produced in HD-quality and isn't an upscale. But if this true - then why a) Kanon 2006 wasn't aired in HD b) next their project - LS - aired in HD but was an upscale c) Clannad wasn't in HD ?

What is this ?

They're lying?

[Aizu]

I don't know...

[RisArk]

Can I ask which episode Tomoyo and Suzahara were in the bathroom together? Not the basketball scene, but when they're together in the urinal stalls.

[rave_master16]

Can I ask which episode Tomoyo and Suzahara were in the bathroom together? Not the basketball scene, but when they're together in the urinal stalls.

It's in episode four... they are talking about the Sunohara's plan to ambush Tomoyo by getting her good side...
By the way, It's Tomoya and Sunohara not Tomoyo...Tomoyo is the girl..

[RisArk]

Thanks, Sorry about that, I was watching a bit of Eva before asking @_@

[sakuravs]

About that HD thing, yeah...I can't understand why they didn't released in HD, too. They were able to upscale it successfully with Air, but why not do the same thing for Clannad & Kanon!?!
In this hi-def era flat-screen is getting bigger and bigger. It's just kind of ridiculous having to put the DVD on the 50'' plasma or a 24'' 1080p monitor & painfully watch all that pixels broken apart.

[Ota-kun]

Clannad in HD would be awesome.....and to think it would be released in Blu-Ray format?

[Aizu]

Is there any news about Clannad Blu-Ray release ?

[relentlessflame]

Is there any news about Clannad Blu-Ray release ?So far there hasn't been any indication of when (I won't even say "if") a Blu-Ray release might be coming, but they've been increasing the "otaku appeal" of the Clannad DVDs (in both first and now second season) with cool swag, which is telling. I'm thinking that at this point they're going to stay completely silent about Blu-Rays until sometime after all the DVDs are released, and then, maybe a year or two later, release the Blu-Ray sets in the hopes that people will buy it all over again. It's evil, but that's marketing for you... :heh: We do know that Kyoto Animation upgraded their methods to work in HD when they did Kanon, and Pony Canyon did release AIR on Blu-Ray even though it was an upscale, so there's no doubt in my mind that it'll happen eventually.

[sakuravs]

Any1 knows about the airing schedule for After Story wide-screen?

[Shinigami_Mello]

Should be the same as the first season.
Which means it'll be what, three weeks behind?

[sakuravs]

I can't see the rationale why they keep doing this awkward thing. :mad: Do you find it ridiculous? what are they supposed to do during that three-week grace period? drawing the extra frames? :frustrated:

[Shinigami_Mello]

Makes more money? Either way, it's not completely their fault, but also how the channel is.
Anyway, if they watch it 4:3, they see it cropped. And if they see it widescreen, faded colors. So more of an incentive to buy the DVD's right? XD

Well, that just may be my thinking.

[syakudo55]

What meaning is CLANNAD?

I think so that "an CLANN As Dango=CLANNAD"
Clann means the family by Irish.
That is dumpling family=Dango daikazoku.
What do you think?

[Proto]

That is has been mentioned over 7 times in this very thread. Thrice by truly yours.

[gaguri]

QUESTION!

I remember waiting for widescreen version for the first season of CLANNAD, which aired one week after the original version I think. Will this happen for After Story as well, or is there only going to be one version airing?

[Aizu]

Yes, it will be with the delay for 3 weeks at BS-i.

[Evayo]

Damn it... I'd rather limit myself to just the widescreen episodes, but that means I'll have to wait like three weeks before I can watch it again...

Broadcast television is a cruel mistress...

~:Evayo:~

[Aizu]

I don't understand this 640x480 idea too. Maybe, some problems with the broadcaster. But there is no real meaning for waiting for ws release. Just simply wait for DVD.

[sakuravs]

Makes more money? Either way, it's not completely their fault, but also how the channel is.
Anyway, if they watch it 4:3, they see it cropped. And if they see it widescreen, faded colors. So more of an incentive to buy the DVD's right? XD

Well, that just may be my thinking.

It seems to me that they faded the colors of the already released 4:3, too. I have to admit that the video quality this time is horrible, it's like I'm watching with +50% brightness and -50% contrast (I can't believe the producer is that cheap). By the way, I don't think they did this kind of mean trick for the 1st season, since its color was more saturated & almost indistinguishable from that of the official DVD itself.

Well, it's understandable that they want to encourage DVD sale. But now it's just kind of daunting thinking how many more years til we'll be able to watch it in full color & full quality with Eng sub....and how dire situation it'd be if other companies start to follow up, since not every anime get licensed.

[Aizu]

Actually, I'm so interested. Lucky Star was in HD (upscaled, but clear). But then stone age again ?

[Ottocycle]

I'm sure the animator has nothing to do with this. Kyoani might be a defining aspect, but in no way is it the be-all-end-all. relentlessflame convinced me that other companies should be handling the marketing(Kadokawa, I think?) and broadcast(TBS), wherein we get our show from so far. And who are we to judge their methods when the fans are just lapping it up even when it's broadcast in 4:3 initially?

[Evayo]

Life is just so much better in HD. :eyespin:

~:Evayo:~

[Ota-kun]

Life is just so much better in HD. :eyespin:

~:Evayo:~

"It's in our (H)DNA" ~Sony

[MercFH]

I have a question......is the game....like "done"
and does Season 2 (after story) take place at any part of the game.
if so.

Then Does Sunohara ever end up with anyone?

also is there some yuri implications with Ryou or Tomoyo? it seems so from the OP

[Aizu]

I have a question......is the game....like "done"
What ?
and does Season 2 (after story) take place at any part of the game.
Then Does Sunohara ever end up with anyone?
also is there some yuri implications with Ryou or Tomoyo?
No.

[Proto]

and does Season 2 (after story) take place at any part of the game.

Well, this one is a definite yes though, everything in After Story so far is cannon :p

[Aizu]

Actually, some events that are still from the school arc in anime - yes, but AS - no.

[Proto]

I think we should start making a definite distinction in After Story, the game section, and After Story, the second season: heh: (where the confusion came from) I vote for AS and AfSt

[IcExAlcHeMy]

I'm new to watching Clannad so two questions

1) Does S2 take place after S1?

2) If it doesn't, should I even bother watching S1 or the movie that explains S1 in a nutshell?

[Proto]

Yes, the first episode of S2 takes place a few days after S1. You should watch S1 before or you won't understand jack and no, the movie is the 1:30 version of the WHOLE series (S1 and S2) (and a not so good one) so unless you want to see the hour and a half stripped version of S1 and S2, getting S1 would be your best option. (by far)

[MeoTwister5]

And it seems it's still unlicensed, so you can still get it or stream it from the net without pangs of corporate guilt.

[Proto]

It would be a shame to get it streamed though, given the graphical and good art galore that CLANNAD is :p

[Eisdrache]

Dont know if it has been asked before, but is there a Yukine arc or whatwashernameagain the blue haired girl from the choir club that shares the advisor with the drama club?

[Klashikari]

You are talking about Nishina Rie, right?
No there isn't any route for Rie. She is only heavily tied to Nagisa's route and she might have some extra scenes later, but nothing past that.

She is "only" a support character, pretty much like Kotomi's guardian.

[Eisdrache]

Ah I see, thank you for clarification :) Still what about Yukine?

[Raniie]

Regarding the Wide-Screen broadcasting. It'll be aired this coming Thrusday, the 23rd, on BS-i at 1AM (+9GMT). Which will be a Wednesday for most of us in the state side. 9AM if you're in PST.

http://www.tbs.co.jp/clannad/

Edit:

Ah I see, thank you for clarification :) Still what about Yukine?

Simple answer. Yes. There is a Yukine Arc in the game. It's a minor arc that's required to get all the light spheres to unlock After Story.

[JaoJao]

1) What exactly happened to Youhei that made him stop playing soccer?
2) From Episode 3 of AfterStory, there was a part where Youhei didnt help the little girl that was being bullied by the kids. In a flashback, he helped his sister in the same situation before. Did something happen to him that made him change? if so, then what?

[MeoTwister5]

1) What exactly happened to Youhei that made him stop playing soccer?
2) From Episode 3 of AfterStory, there was a part where Youhei didnt help the little girl that was being bullied by the kids. In a flashback, he helped his sister in the same situation before. Did something happen to him that made him change? if so, then what?

1. Spoiler if I say, but eventually the story will tell you why.

2. Spoiler again. And again, the story will eventually say so.

Both are the central points to this arc. If this question was in the game thread I'd answer it, but since this is the Q&A it'd be a big spoiler. PM me or someone if you really want to know, but the next episode should reveal it.

[SeedFreedom]

1. Spoiler if I say, but eventually the story will tell you why.

2. Spoiler again. And again, the story will eventually say so.

Both are the central points to this arc. If this question was in the game thread I'd answer it, but since this is the Q&A it'd be a big spoiler. PM me or someone if you really want to know, but the next episode should reveal it.

I thought the answer to the first question was already given in the first season.
IIRC...

Didnt they say he fought with the rest of the team and got kicked out? If that is the case, didnt they already say that in the first season? if not i will remove this msg.

[MeoTwister5]

I thought the answer to the first question was already given in the first season.
IIRC...

Didnt they say he fought with the rest of the team and got kicked out? If that is the case, didnt they already say that in the first season? if not i will remove this msg.

The answer is: Yes.

[rapidfire]

is the english version of the game complete? where, how, can i get it if it is?

[MeoTwister5]

is the english version of the game complete? where, how, can i get it if it is?

No. You need to buy the original Japanese version, change a file with the translated text, then you can more or less play it in English.

[CuXe]

Hey guys... I have a question regarding the aspect ratio of the second season is coming out on... ... the first season was in a cool 16:9 format but for some reason I haven't found 16:9 subs for the second season (only the first episode) ... whats up with that? I have only seen 4:3 and they have clearly chopped both sides of the screen .... will there be a 16:9 version coming out????

[Ottocycle]

Hey guys... I have a question regarding the aspect ratio of the second season is coming out on... ... the first season was in a cool 16:9 format but for some reason I haven't found 16:9 subs for the second season (only the first episode) ... whats up with that? I have only seen 4:3 and they have clearly chopped both sides of the screen .... will there be a 16:9 version coming out????
Yes there will be. As a matter of fact the one for episode one has just arrived on this very site (http://www.animesuki.com/series.php/1188.html).

[xris]

Hey guys... I have a question regarding the aspect ratio of the second season is coming out on... ... the first season was in a cool 16:9 format but for some reason I haven't found 16:9 subs for the second season (only the first episode) ... whats up with that? I have only seen 4:3 and they have clearly chopped both sides of the screen .... will there be a 16:9 version coming out????
You haven't been taking notice then :)

SS & Eclipse are releasing widescreen fansubs of Clannad ~After Story~. They released the WS format (16:9) of ep 1 only yesterday.

My understanding is that there will be a delay of a couple of weeks because the WS version airs a couple of weeks after the 4:3 version

[MeoTwister5]

You haven't been taking notice then :)

SS & Eclipse are releasing widescreen fansubs of Clannad ~After Story~. They released the WS format (16:9) of ep 1 only yesterday.

My understanding is that there will be a delay of a couple of weeks because the WS version airs a couple of weeks after the 4:3 version

The reason why I wait for SS and Eclipse's subbing works rather than Sprocket, even if they release it later than the aforementioned group. That and I like their sub work better, which is why I'm willing to wait for them to release the non-WS sub of episode 4 even if another sub is out.:D

[CuXe]

You haven't been taking notice then :)

SS & Eclipse are releasing widescreen fansubs of Clannad ~After Story~. They released the WS format (16:9) of ep 1 only yesterday.

My understanding is that there will be a delay of a couple of weeks because the WS version airs a couple of weeks after the 4:3 version

Nice .. thanks for the speedy answer :) .... actually I have just finished watching the first season a few hours ago and saw the movie as well (total spoiler I guess... and if thats the path Clannad writers are going to take this story .. all I have to say ... DAM U Clannad writers for making my life so miserable !!!!) nonetheless I am now hooked on it and have to watch the second season. ....

Good to know that SS and eclipse are working on the WS versions cause I was thinking it would really be disappointing to watch this cool series (soon to become a sea of tears.. I guess..) ... in 4:3 aspect ratio....

I'll now be joining the Clannad forum or at least until SS and Eclipse come up with the WS versions...

[Aizu]

Actually, is there some problems with Clannad episode 4 from Eclipse ?

[MeoTwister5]

Actually, is there some problems with Clannad episode 4 from Eclipse ?

No idea. Everyone's been talking about the 4th episode already while I haven't even seen it yet since I'm still waiting for the SS Eclipse release.:p

[xris]

Please remember the purpose of these Q&A threads...
If someone has such a question about Clannad which can be solved by answering with facts from an official source, then please ask that question here.
If you are having playback problems then this is the wrong place to ask :)

[Double_Edge]

Hey I havent seen the first season since it came out and I forgot but who is that girl with the robot? I'm pretty sure she's not a real girl but did she represent something? If they haven't revealed it yet, then never mind this question and please don't answer, unless it is in spoilers.

My second Question is:
Will Clannad
ever come out
on DVD? Because for some
Reason, I wouldn't be able to
Live with myself if i don't finish my Kanon
Collection and get Clannad on region 1 DVD.
I still need the first and last volume of
Kanon. Stupid Best Buy is not
stocking it. What a drag
I guess I will order it
online.

[rave_master16]

First question is a spoiler for the current season -After Story-. I'll give you a hint. She plays a huge part in the lives of the characters.
Second: Clannad is licensed. See the thread in this sub-forum. Don't know the release date. I think somebody knows this.
Edit: 1st DVD will be released on April 2009.

[incube]

Can someone tell me if clannad the movie is another story or the same as clannad the first season? I guess someone might have asked the same question but i didnt want to get any spoilers from checking all the pages and posts. Thanks

[Aizu]

The same story based on Clannad and Clannad AS game parts as well but with a real variations in the plot. You will see here only main relationships between Nagisa and Tomoya and some later events (actually, ~30 minutes from AS part). This is an idea of the movie.

But as I said before - this is only a variation of the story because they changed some main things, but not all, so there are a lot of spoilers. Like Air TV and Air the Movie. Very good variation with an absolutely amazing ending, at least for me.

[materiaff7]

Okay this question has been touched alot but never a specific answer from what ive read so far. So ill ask for personal knowledge benefits.

Has Clannad and its movie been Released to the shelf in the US?

Ive been trying to find the Anime series and its movie with english subtitles but have failed miserably in my trek. If it has been released then i have a second question.

Where can i Legitimitely buy the series and its movie with the english subs?

[Shinigami_Mello]

Clannad and the Clannad Movie have both not been released in the U.S market yet.
But they've been licensed. (Not 100% sure of the movie though)

[xris]

Okay this question has been touched alot but never a specific answer from what ive read so far. So ill ask for personal knowledge benefits.

Has Clannad and its movie been Released to the shelf in the US?

Ive been trying to find the Anime series and its movie with english subtitles but have failed miserably in my trek. If it has been released then i have a second question.

Where can i Legitimitely buy the series and its movie with the english subs?
We have a thread on this topic, Clannad TV licensed by ADV Films (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=73157), and in the first post the release date for the DVDs was mentioned.
ADV Films have now announced their Clannad license consists of the 24 episode first TV series.

For more information see the ICv2 report, 'Clannad' Leads ADV Announcements (http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13554.html).

Clannad TV torrents have now been removed from AnimeSuki, the Clannad Movie and the second TV series, Clannad ~After Story~, are considered unlicensed.

The first (of six) DVDs is due for release on 21st April 2009. The series will include the 22 TV episodes, the special entitled "Summer Vacation Chapter" and the DVD only "Another World, Tomoyo Chapter" episode.
The first TV series has been licensed but no word of the Movie, that is not considered licensed yet.

[Beo]

If you take both Clannad and Clannad AS, which is about 20 hours of material, and delete about 18 1/2 hours from them, you will end up with the movie. It almost feels like when you are watching the previews for a following episode, the fragmented jumping around that almost tells a story.

[Suijin]

Hey, Clannadians :)

I'm just here to point out a few points about the Clannad Visual Novel, specifically about the two points in iamandragon's Walkthrough (Great translation on the guide! ;)).

The two points I will talk about is the Fuuko Ninja appearance and the Deforming Sunohara both in the Tomoyo Route. After spending a few hours wondering why I ain't getting them to appear. I started to try some tests and found that the point in the walkthrough isn't really clear (or it could have just been me :confused:?)
Sorry if these have been pointed out before!


Fuuko Ninja: The guide pretty much tells you how to get to the Fuuko Summoner and Ninja stage. But I got abit confused when even when unlocked she didn't appear in any of the scenes. The answer was pretty simple, you have to have a few flags in Fuuko Route for her to appear during Tomoyo's Route (I normally end her route at 23rd April with the Option: Sleep).
Note, that Fuuko's Ninja appearance will end when you get to May 11th (Right after the School festival) You would have to get the Fuuko Summoner/Ninja in her route again, but if you have a few saved states in the Tomoyo's Route you can just watch them after re-unlocking it ;). Not confirmed, but achieving the "True End" in Fuuko's Route may be the only way to get the game to know that you've unlocked Fuuko Ninja.

Deformed Sunohara: Just a tiny nitpick on the how to unlock this, because I was utterly confused why it didn't, even after completing all the endings in After Story. But it unlocked yesterday while I was going through the route, with the only difference being that I got the 64-Hit Combo during the School Festival. So I'm pretty sure that the requirements is the 64-Hit Combo, along with getting True End in After Story (?).
The day you will see his face getting deformed is during April 17th, during those times you chose to accompany him to "see" Tomoyo.


Just thought it would good to know, and again I apologize if it's already been posted before (I checked this and the Game thread briefly, and didnt see any signs of it)

Long live Clannad!
Suijin

[Tempester]

:uhoh: Ok, I don't want to sound like too much of an impatient pain in the butt, but this has really been bugging me lately.

How come SS & Eclipse aren't releasing subs for episodes 3 & 4 for Clannad After Story in widescreen? Episode 3 has been out for almost 2 weeks now in widescreen, yet they haven't subbed it yet.

How difficult is it for them just to take the exact same subtitles they had before on the 4:3 episodes and stick them on the 16:9 version? Are they too stressed out? It seems they are releasing the recent episodes in 4:3 format quite promptly, though. :twitch: Does that mean that they simply cannot be bothered to sub and release the episodes in widescreen? :eyebrow:

Although most people hurry up and see the 4:3 episodes, there are some of us who are patient to wait for 16:9 episodes. Why keep us waiting any more than is necessary? If I could contact Eclipse about this, I would, but I don't know how. :confused:

[FatalMemory]

:uhoh: Ok, I don't want to sound like too much of an impatient pain in the butt, but this has really been bugging me lately.

How come SS & Eclipse aren't releasing subs for episodes 3 & 4 for Clannad After Story in widescreen? Episode 3 has been out for almost 2 weeks now in widescreen, yet they haven't subbed it yet.

How difficult is it for them just to take the exact same subtitles they had before on the 4:3 episodes and stick them on the 16:9 version? Are they too stressed out? It seems they are releasing the recent episodes in 4:3 format quite promptly, though. :twitch: Does that mean that they simply cannot be bothered to sub and release the episodes in widescreen? :eyebrow:

Although most people hurry up and see the 4:3 episodes, there are some of us who are patient to wait for 16:9 episodes. Why keep us waiting any more than is necessary? If I could contact Eclipse about this, I would, but I don't know how. :confused:

I doubt they use random RAWs from torrents and what not.
They'd have to wait for their RAW provider to give em the widescreen version and then for their encoder to hand out the cleaned up encode.

Eclipse usually have several projects going at once, and they might have greater priority as well.

[SidVicious]

When the first DVD for After Story is going to be released?

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

When the first DVD for After Story is going to be released?

If you're talking about the Japanese ones, it's tomorrow, 3rd Dec.
It's not released for the English version yet, since it's not licensed yet.

[SidVicious]

If you're talking about the Japanese ones, it's tomorrow, 3rd Dec.
It's not released for the English version yet, since it's not licensed yet.

Yeah, i was talking about the japanese one. :)

Thanks for the info.

[starwarsdude]

so does anyone know who this seasons going to end?i mean as a guess is there going to be any death or what not ?

[Proto]

What you are asking is for the max possible spoiler, so you'll have to go to the corresponding thread for that. ^_^

[Anime Daisuki]

How many episodes are in AS? 24/13?

[Bathory Area]

How many episodes are in AS? 24/13?

24 episodes.

[Scary Zet]

Hi, ppl! I have a small but very important for me question.

Comparing Clannad AS with Clannad I found that it seems to me that faces of characters differ in... um... aspect ratio ;) They're stretched vertically more in AS. Just compare openings of Clannad-1 and Clannad-2. I've checked TV-raws, DVD-rips, both 4x3 and widescreen versions... This subtle difference really pisses me off.

Is it true, that KyoAni had changed character design a bit?

Any comments are appreciated.

[Leo_Otaku]

I haven't really noticed toomuch but we all did notice quality changes. It could bet that as a factor or new animators were on staff for AS.

[Shinigami_Mello]

I noticed that something was different, but now that I compared both
openings, I see that you're right. It dosen't bother me all too much. I actually think it makes them somewhat older looking. So yeah, I'm pretty sure it has been slightly changed.

[Aizu]

Well, compare it now by yourself. And don't forget about sometimes different art-directors in episodes. Left images are from Clannad DVD, right images are from Clannad AS DVD :

http://e.imagehost.org/t/0910/v2.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0910/v2) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0632/v1.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0632/v1)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0730/v2.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0730/v2) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0511/v1.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0511/v1)

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

Well, compare it now by yourself. And don't forget about sometimes different art-directors in episodes. Left are from Clannad DVD, right are from Clannad AS DVD :

http://e.imagehost.org/t/0910/v2.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0910/v2) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0632/v1.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0632/v1)
http://e.imagehost.org/t/0730/v2.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0730/v2) http://e.imagehost.org/t/0511/v1.jpg (http://e.imagehost.org/view/0511/v1)


Remember, each episode has a different I/C for that episode, and artwork is occasionally outsourced to South Korea. Like Shima's voice was actually "outsourced" to Romi Paku, a South Korean.

Info, in Japanese. (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLANNAD_%28%E3%82%B2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%29#.E3.83.8 6.E3.83.AC.E3.83.93.E3.82.A2.E3.83.8B.E3.83.A1.E3. 83.BC.E3.82.B7.E3.83.A7.E3.83.B3)

[Kaisos Erranon]

Shima's voice wasn't "outsourced". It was the same in the PS2 game as well.

Romi Paku voices shotas all the time. Heck, she was Ed Elric.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

Shima's voice wasn't "outsourced". It was the same in the PS2 game as well.

Romi Paku voices shotas all the time. Heck, she was Ed Elric.

^^ Shoot, forgot. Funny how the KOREAN version of FMA's Ed was voiced by ANOTHER person. They could have very well called on Romi Paku to do the Korean voice as well.

[Proto]

and artwork is occasionally outsourced to South Korea.

And AFAIK Kyoto Animation doesn't outsource its projects.

BTW, Romi Paku is Japanese. She just happens to be of Korean descent.

[kyon.haruhi.suzumiya]

And AFAIK Kyoto Animation doesn't outsource its projects.
Maybe not outsource. But they do employ Koreans to do some parts. That I can say for most studios.

BTW, Romi Paku is Japanese. She just happens to be of Korean descent.Not really.

About Fullmetal Alchemist the Movie: Conqueror of Shamballa...

According to a press release from Funimation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funimation) and the SPJA (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=SPJA&action=edit&redlink=1), the first official screening was shown at the 2006 Anime Expo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_Expo) on Monday, July 3 at noon.

The session was presented by Seiji Mizushima (the original director), Mike McFarland (English voice director and voice of Lieutenant Havoc) and voice actor Vic Mignogna.

Romi Paku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romi_Paku) was also supposed to attend but she did not because she (a Korean national) did not have a valid visa.

From Wiki.

[Proto]

I stand corrected. A look at her bio (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%9C%B4%E3%83%AD%E7%BE%8E) in the Japanese wiki reveals she's a zainichi korean. I was mislead by the info of her bio in the English wiki page which states she's Japanese, and that she was born in Tokyo.

[ShimatheKat]

^^ Shoot, forgot. Funny how the KOREAN version of FMA's Ed was voiced by ANOTHER person. They could have very well called on Romi Paku to do the Korean voice as well.

More expensive. Koreans offer lower pay. Romi can use the fact that she worked in Japan to jack up the pay.

[kingsky123]

Question: what is that silly robot thing and girl ? I do not understand their significance. I mean their pretty redundant

... wait uh.. nvm i totally forgot about that starfish girl who was actually some sort of astral imagery. i guess their some sort of higher dimension entities or something

[Ithekro]

All will (mostly) make sense....in time.

[MeoTwister5]

Question: what is that silly robot thing and girl ? I do not understand their significance. I mean their pretty redundant

... wait uh.. nvm i totally forgot about that starfish girl who was actually some sort of astral imagery. i guess their some sort of higher dimension entities or something

If you really want to know, ask it the Spoilers thread. You probably shouldn't look around as so many things that could get spoiled for you.

[acr429]

just need to know if this series will end like the movie
and if so is it just your own opion or guess. how do you know?

[Ithekro]

We don't know. We can only guess based on what those that have played the game and watched the movie tell us.

That and from past experiance with KyoAni versions of Key products (AIR and Kanon), plus what they have shown so far in CLANNAD and CLANNAD: After Story.

And that they have we think ten episodes left to air.

[Aizu]

Question: what is that silly robot thing and girl ?
Just wait till the end of AS. Or you can play game. Or you can ask in a spoiler thread.
if this series will end like the movie
No.

[Leo_Otaku]

The robot and girl aren't silly >.< *whines*

[Yumii-chan]

Question after watching ep 17

Does Ushio know that Tomoya is her father?
(after the shopping scene I got confused if she knew or not)

[Klashikari]

Yes, she does

[Kristen]

just need to know if this series will end like the movie
and if so is it just your own opion or guess. how do you know?

It may, it may not. Personally, I'm hoping it will end with the similar type of a feeling, as I found that to be powerful.

[miyagi-sempai]

Okay, guys. Please put all your spoilers on hold for a moment. I wasn't sure where to post this, so I first posted this in the Clannad - Spoilers and Speculation (for experienced Clannad gamers only) Thread.

I only watched the first season of Clannad, but I really want to see more of Tomoyo. If any of you guys have watched the first season, played both visual novels, as well as read some of the manga, then I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. I want to know what I should watch, read, or play now so that I can see Tomoyo's story.

But please keep all spoilers to a minimum. I'm already stuck with this bitter taste in my mouth since I read in Wikipedia that in the 2nd half of the Clannad VN, some people actually died. My memory's still a bit fuzzy about who the victims actually were, so I would like to keep it that way.

Anyway, if this post is in the wrong thread then please tell me. I wanted to direct this question at members who would have experience on most of the story.

So far, I know of the Clannad and Tomoyo After - What A Wonderful Life visual novels, and Tomoyo After - Dear Shining Memories and Clannad: Tomoyo Dearest mangas. Is there any other media (mangas, short stories, anime, etc, etc) that explore the Tomoya-Tomoyo relationship?

Also, about the visual novels, I want the full package, so what all will I need? I heard the VN was translated already, but then I read something about voice patches. Are these patches there to add voices to the game, which before didn't exist? And, about the voices, are they played by the same voice actors as the anime? How about the character design? I get a little annoyed when the characters look different or have different voices, because then they wouldn't be the same characters I know from the anime.

Basically I want to know what I should watch/read/play first to see Tomoyo's story and minimise any feelings of disappointment (for example, having no clue what the hell is going on since I didn't play this or read that). Thanks in advance for any advice you guys have.

[Aizu]

Clannad - Tomoyo's route and Tomoyo After. Also you can read TA manga - it's an alternative variant of the TA story.

As for VN's - only Clannad is translated now. Vocie patch ? Yes, you can grab an orignial version and add there voices. KyoAni saved original design of characters, but in TA design is different.

Simple.

[supiku]

No matter which walkthrough I try (and I've tried those I could find here...) I can't seem to get anything but Misae's bad ending.....and I don't want to go on without finishing it because I'm stubborn.
I don't know where and what I'm doing wrong and I've followed the *important ones closely... Help please *puppy-super-mega-eyes-beam*

[Proto]

hint: Don't follow the walkthroughs, and just follow your instincts.

hint 2: Watch the corresponding anime episode :p

[Aizu]

supiku, you are playing this route first (and haven't played others yet), isn't it ?

[supiku]

yes first route and umm how would I know which episode to watch...i don't want to spoil anything by watching something else...

[Proto]

Oh, you mean you haven't reached that point in the anime? I thought you had, in that case don't bother skipping episodes. My suggestion would be to go by trial and error. The clue part is when you are complimenting her 3 good points. You will get a very distinct reaction from her when you get it right.

[supiku]

oh, so that's where the problem is.
I didn't know what 'serious' meant in the walkthrough so I kept choosing wrong....
Thanks!


hmm I didn't really like hers though.....

[Yumii-chan]

I was wondering something

(only for people who played the game)


So Ushio she is

the illusionary girl,right?

so when that means that when she grow up

she will look like this?
http://files.myopera.com/AzureTimm/blog/moe%2022474%20clannad%20girl_from_the_illusionary_ world%20ikeda_kazumi%20robot.jpg
Or have I gotten everything wrong?

[Aizu]

Yumii-chan, yes, you're right.

[spawnofthejudge]

Does anyone know the name of the song that plays during most of the Preview segments of the anime? Or what CD it's on?

[Aizu]

It's a bit changed version of Toki wo Kizamu Uta -off Vocal Ver. from CLANNAD After Story OP ED Single.

[spawnofthejudge]

It's a bit changed version of Toki wo Kizamu Uta -off Vocal Ver. from CLANNAD After Story OP ED Single.Is that the closest version available of the arrangement that plays during the Preview segment? Or is that particular arrangement not available anywhere?

EDIT: I found what I was looking for. "Mag Mell Off-vocal ver" from Disc 3 of the OST. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, though, Littm.

[SaintessHeart]

And I would like to ask a question....

What is the name of the insert song in episode 18's end (when Tomoya was help Nagisa get to the sickbay after getting hit by as tennis ball in the thigh)?

[Proto]

Over by Riya.

[Kafriel]

I've watched the first 12 episodes so far, my question is whether the rest of them are just as sad and if it gets sadder in the after-story.

[Nosauz]

after story is much sadder, but there are some great highs in there too. I think with key's games, they try to create this huge emotional fluctuation to make you cry. I mean even during the good times you'll probably have tears rolling down your face. But yea if your on episode 12, its only going to get sadder, but at least you can hope that the end will be a happy one

[ISighZ]

Hi, I have a question.
Can someone list all the episode that has Tomoyo in it?
ThankYou!!!!

[MeoTwister5]

Uh... practically every episode in the first season, and all the episodes in the second before Nagisa graduates

[ISighZ]

Oo..Really. I don't remember Tomoyo being in all episodes but Okay.
Thanks.

[Kafriel]

There are a few where she is not included, I think episode 21 or 22 and one or two from Fuuko's arc (13?) plus another couple from Kotomi's arc. Sorry but I really can't count them right now, watching the final episode from season 1.

[Divini]

Does anyone know if After Story will follow the same format as S1 -- 22 main eps and 2 extras?

[VRMN]

Right now that does seem to be the plan. Episode 23 will be an "Extra," entitled "What Happened One Year Ago." Episode 24 has been rumored to be an OVA, another Extra, or a summary episode, but I don't think anything has been officially announced. But, yes, 22 main story episodes and two "extras" is what is going to happen.

[Nerroth]

To clarify, is the Clannad setting - or the others by Key - considered to be a range of equally-canon parallel universes?


For example, in the likes of Fate/Stay Night, the various story routes are considered to take place in alternate, yet equally valid, timelines.

(Indeed, one of the five True Magics in that setting is Kaleidoscope, the ability to walk between worlds, and use multi-dimensional aspects to given items and powers and stuff.)


To go back here, are the timelines shown in the game, and the follow-up stories in two particular cases (After Story and Tomoyo After) equally canon, or does After Story somehow trump the others in terms of in-setting importance?

[Ithekro]

After Story is part of the original game Clannad, thus it takes place in the same universe...so to speak.

Tomoyo After is an entirely seperate game based on Clannad. It could be looked at as a possible outcome, though to my understanding it does not quite follow through from the Tomoyo route/arc in Clannad. So alternate universe story label could be applied.

As for the othe Key games...well at least in KyoAni's adaptations, Kanon seems to flow into both AIR and Clannad to a minor extent. At least three of the Kanon main girls were presented as classmates in AIR. And the infamous Jammu was presented in Clannad, thus another connection.

[Proto]

Those are KyoAni original insertions though, so in KEY cannon there is no information towards or against their realms meeting in crossroads.

[Lilith]

I searched this thread for "Wide screen" and the best answer I got for my question "What's the scheduel of CLANNAD-WS" is BS-i scheduel is three weeks behind. Now, forgive my complete idiocy, but does that mean:

-WS is released weekly, but lagging behind by three weeks
or
-WS is released every 3 weeks

:o

[Ottocycle]

I searched this thread for "Wide screen" and the best answer I got for my question "What's the scheduel of CLANNAD-WS" is BS-i scheduel is three weeks behind. Now, forgive my complete idiocy, but does that mean:

-WS is released weekly, but lagging behind by three weeks
or
-WS is released every 3 weeks

:o
There's the answer.

[SaintessHeart]

Is there a heavy acoustic piano version of "Nagisa" in the OST, like the one being played in EP 22 at around 8.00++?

[Tiberium Wolf]

Ppl are talking about light orbs ... but where are they? I mean I saw something like having light orbs in the title screen. I must be blind but I am not seeing anything. The only thing about the light orbs I saw where during the ep. I don't see anything in OP.

[velvet]

Is there a heavy acoustic piano version of "Nagisa" in the OST, like the one being played in EP 22 at around 8.00++?

The memento album, another clannad remix,

Nagisa - warm piano arrange -.

[Nobodyman9]

Maybe this has been asked before, but I've heard people say that at the end of ep. 21 when Ushio dies Tomoya dies shortly thereafter, hence why he collapses. Is this confirmed? Or is it just an interpretation?

[VRMN]

It's an interpretation, backed by Tomoya's entrance into the Illusionary World shortly thereafter and by some other things, such as the rumors(?) that the original script called for the game to end upon Tomoya's death.

If you want to say he was just spirited away there instead, there's not much to argue against that in the game or the anime, but it's my personal belief (and many others) that Tomoya dies shortly after Ushio. How we'll never know (not Key's style to spell out such things), but suicide seems likely.

[Nobodyman9]

It's an interpretation, backed by Tomoya's entrance into the Illusionary World shortly thereafter and by some other things, such as the rumors(?) that the original script called for the game to end upon Tomoya's death.

If you want to say he was just spirited away there instead, there's not much to argue against that in the game or the anime, but it's my personal belief (and many others) that Tomoya dies shortly after Ushio. How we'll never know (not Key's style to spell out such things), but suicide seems likely.
Ah, thanks for the explanation. Well, if Tomoya did die, I've heard some people say that it looked like he was becoming sick over the course of ep. 21. I myself didn't notice it, but I won't rule it out (not at least until I rewatch it). Also, he may have died of grief, or quite possibly a combination of both.

Well, life, death, or spirited away, it doesn't matter to me, so long as we got the final outcome. This was a great show BTW, and I'll try to remember to post my thoughts on it on another thread.

[xavier12336]

Tomoya most likely does not suicide since in the anime, it is shown that he just collapsed after shouting for Nagisa to save Ushio. Most likely, he just died of grief since i don't think he can handle 2 of his most important persons in his life dying.

[Ithekro]

Who needs suicide when you can die from exposure by just doing nothing.

[Leo_Otaku]

Ppl are talking about light orbs ... but where are they? I mean I saw something like having light orbs in the title screen. I must be blind but I am not seeing anything. The only thing about the light orbs I saw where during the ep. I don't see anything in OP.

every episode when Tomyoa completes someones happiness an orb(s) would appear . Unlike the game they weren't appearing in proper order (as some appeared later and some appeared when stories were not done and 3 stories were not shown in the anime)

They show them first when we see Komura, Yukine, Misae, Tomoya and his father. In the game they apear after each route is completed as 13 are needed for the end. The title menu shows each one as they are collected.

As for not seeing tjem in the Opening? which one they show them in both to my knowledge.

[TubZzz]

i'm a bit confused with the ending... is it an alternate reality or just Tomoya dreaming or is it that his wish has been granted by the light orbs

and what's with the last scene where Ushio is sleeping or unconscious under the tree where Fuko discovers her

[Tak]

It is not an alternate reality. See, in the game, you have to beat it several times in order to achieve the game's true end (ie. happy end) by granting happiness to various individuals, which then will accumulate and allow Tomoya to turn back time where he, Nagisa and Ushio would survive and become one big happy family. That is canon.

As for the final scene, its really up to the player to interpret what it means.

- Tak

[TubZzz]

i see... thanks for the quick reply

[Nosauz]

It is not an alternate reality. See, in the game, you have to beat it several times in order to achieve the game's true end (ie. happy end) by granting happiness to various individuals, which then will accumulate and allow Tomoya to turn back time where he, Nagisa and Ushio would survive and become one big happy family. That is canon.

As for the final scene, its really up to the player to interpret what it means.

- Tak

Just to be clear its not really a 'turn back time" situation because that would make the fuko ending completely bonkers, its more of multiple worlds coming together, and unifiying the happiness in those worlds to allow tomoya the chance to right things, and live his life with his family and his home, with heavy emphasis to his family and home. I consider home, the physical and metaphysical to be a part of any complete family which then ties into the overall theme of family but that part is up to individual observations.

[Tak]

Just to be clear its not really a 'turn back time" situation because that would make the fuko ending completely bonkers, its more of multiple worlds coming together, and unifiying the happiness in those worlds to allow tomoya the chance to right things, and live his life with his family and his home, with heavy emphasis to his family and home. I consider home, the physical and metaphysical to be a part of any complete family which then ties into the overall theme of family but that part is up to individual observations.

*Shrug* I was trying not to get overly complicated. I think you just burnt TubZ's brains out.

- Tak

[TubZzz]

lol... not really... the only thing i didn't understand from that was the word "bonkers" ^_^

[DeX-kun]

lol... not really... the only thing i didn't understand from that was the word "bonkers" ^_^

I think it has the same meaning as the word insane :heh:

[Aizu]

I think it has the same meaning as the word insane
True, heh.

[tomas92]

I'm playing the game and I need help with Fuuko's story. I know that you can spend one light orb to grant Fuuko a wish, but I played Fuuko's path (I already have 3 light orbs) but I wasn't given the choice to grant her any wish. I was given the choice to kiss her/stay like this, and I tried thm both but nothing happend regarding a light orb and I still have 3. How do I grant her wish?

[Proto]

Hmm... well you heard it a little wrong. In summary, that using a light orb thing is not really during Fuuko's arc, but during Nagisa's or Koumura's, so don't worry.

[tomas92]

Thank you very much for your fast reply Proto. It seems I understood wrong. ^_^U

[Claymorez]

Is clannad made by the same authors as haruhi?

[spawnofthejudge]

Is clannad made by the same authors as haruhi?

No. They were animated by the same studio.

[Tak]

No. They were animated by the same studio.

And to elaborate, Clannad was a dating sim released by Key, while Haruhi started as a novel.

- Tak

[Klashikari]

And to elaborate, Clannad was a dating sim released by Key, while Haruhi started as a novel.
Please don't mistake Dating sim and visual novel. That would be all well better. As for Haruhi, it is a light novel, which is different from your usual novel as well.

[typhonsentra]

Well the dating sim aspect is there and it plays a fairly substantial part of the game on the school side, no? You do date most of the girls in this game after all.

[dgreater1]

It is not an alternate reality. See, in the game, you have to beat it several times in order to achieve the game's true end (ie. happy end) by granting happiness to various individuals, which then will accumulate and allow Tomoya to turn back time where he, Nagisa and Ushio would survive and become one big happy family. That is canon.

As for the final scene, its really up to the player to interpret what it means.

- Tak

Actually, it's an alternate reality. In the game, you (as Tomoya) need to see every alternate reality (CLANNAD's different story arcs) to advance towards CLANNAD's After Story. It's not really a "turn back time" because everything is already destined to happen. The idea is Tomoya "felt" the incidents in the other world because "thoughts" reverberate through dimensions as explained by Kotomi. To give you a better idea "Emotions surpasses/travels through time and space."

The game dwells with alternate universe and Kotomi's Arc has the connection to that idea. So in short, you played the game and you made a BAD END. That bad end you've just experienced in the game is actually reality.

As for the Dating Sim, CLANNAD==>AFTER STORY isn't really labeled like that. Most dating sim games end with getting a girlfriend and ending with that. CLANNAD continues forward up to the whole story of the person's life, be it BAD END or GOOD END.

You can also say, the book is already finished, the only thing to do is unfold the story/stories or add more stories, that's what CLANNAD is (for me if you mind, because that is my theory).

[Klashikari]

Well the dating sim aspect is there and it plays a fairly substantial part of the game on the school side, no? You do date most of the girls in this game after all.
Except the fact that you do also interact and take routes with characters you don't date at all.
Furthermore, Dating Sim refer to the type of game that doesn't give you almost any story, and solely relies on a real "dating simulation" where you have several choices to raise your "point meter" in order to hook with X or Y girl (as such, the prime goal is to please a girl, with lots of possible actions to lead to gain "points").

That is absolutely not the same as a galge visual novel. Even though you end up with a girl in such kind of game, the predominant aspect is the narration, plot and backstory. You do no do things to hook a girl, but getting in the said route will lead to the romance (as such, you end up with choices that lead you to be closer to a certain girl, and ONLY after a certain point, you are in her route, and you don't have to do anything, and over time, the romance is blooming).

[Tak]

As for the Dating Sim, CLANNAD==>AFTER STORY isn't really labeled like that. Most dating sim games end with getting a girlfriend and ending with that. CLANNAD continues forward up to the whole story of the person's life, be it BAD END or GOOD END.


Not really. After Story is about Nagisa, and that is it. You can argue that After Story is more visual novel than dating, but the rest of the segments in Clannad is very much about dating, as well.

That is absolutely not the same as a galge visual novel. Even though you end up with a girl in such kind of game, the predominant aspect is the narration, plot and backstory. You do no do things to hook a girl, but getting in the said route will lead to the romance (as such, you end up with choices that lead you to be closer to a certain girl, and ONLY after a certain point, you are in her route, and you don't have to do anything, and over time, the romance is blooming).

I am not sure if everyone would define it in this way as you do. Even in Japan, the definition is nowhere near as restricted as yours.

Clannad on Getchu is categorized as:

アドベンチャー、学園、恋愛、純愛 (Adventure, school, romance, pure love), which are categories that appear on most dating sims/visual novels. It does not specifically state that this is a visual novel and that is a dating sim. The fact is, its a bit of dating and a bit of visual novel, but whichever side you wish to lean on, its completely up to you.

Some of the definitions are reinforced by fans on the western side of the pacific, with no mirroring Japanese counterpart.

Although Tomoyo After would be a true visual novel. After all, there is no choice.

- Tak

[Klashikari]

I am not sure if everyone would define it in this way as you do. Even in Japan, the definition is nowhere near as restricted as yours.

Clannad on Getchu is categorized as:

アドベンチャー、学園、恋愛、純愛 (Adventure, school, romance, pure love), which are categories that appear on most dating sims/visual novels. It does not specifically state that this is a visual novel and that is a dating sim. The fact is, its a bit of dating and a bit of visual novel, but whichever side you wish to lean on, its completely up to you.

Some of the definitions are reinforced by fans on the western side of the pacific, with no mirroring Japanese counterpart. And that is the problem, because the western side always use definition erratically (such like hentai etc). The term used for dating sim is "ren'ai" (恋愛) which is really used for what is to be: a simulation (example: magical date).
By no mean you use "dating sim" for games you simply read and make a mere choice here and there, in waiting to see what is going next.

People really focalize too much on the "dating" aspect (which makes it even less true when you pull VN that involve non romance route), despite the important difference is "novel" and "simulation".

See Kj1980's post about these (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=500391#post500391) and the wikipedia articles for both Visual Novel/ADV games (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_novel) and Dating Sim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_sim).
Although Tomoyo After would be a true visual novel. After all, there is no choice.That is again another misconception. Visual Novels may or may not have choices (and funnily enough, there IS choice in TA, but not for the best reasons). The thing is that visual novel in japan are seen as a "story that YOU are the hero and you select your path". Which is arguably nowhere close to dating sim, as you are gunning for a girl from the very start and it will just dwells into the possible outcome (or not).

[dgreater1]

Not really. After Story is about Nagisa, and that is it. You can argue that After Story is more visual novel than dating, but the rest of the segments in Clannad is very much about dating, as well.



I am not sure if everyone would define it in this way as you do. Even in Japan, the definition is nowhere near as restricted as yours.

Clannad on Getchu is categorized as:

アドベンチャー、学園、恋愛、純愛 (Adventure, school, romance, pure love), which are categories that appear on most dating sims/visual novels. It does not specifically state that this is a visual novel and that is a dating sim. The fact is, its a bit of dating and a bit of visual novel, but whichever side you wish to lean on, its completely up to you.

Some of the definitions are reinforced by fans on the western side of the pacific, with no mirroring Japanese counterpart.

Although Tomoyo After would be a true visual novel. After all, there is no choice.

- Tak

I don't really want to argue more on this but you can see the difference here

Dating Simulation games are more of a statistical game while CLANNAD is an Adventure Game (Choose your own adventure game) and not really a statistical game. The word Simulation is the key word here and CLANNAD isn't a simulation. Just like Klashikari said. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_sim)

You're probably mixing Renai games (Japanese term) with Dating Simulation (English term).

From Japanese wikipedia:

恋愛ゲーム（れんあいゲーム）は、登場するキャラクターとゲーム世界の中で交際し、
仮想恋愛を体験するゲームである。恋愛をテーマにしたゲームの中でも、
交際の疑似体験をプレイヤーに提供するところに特徴がある。
狭い意味では恋愛自体が目的のゲームを指すが、
広い意味ではプレイヤーをキャラクターに惚れさせる要素があるゲーム全般を指し、
恋愛ゲームとそうでないゲームとの境界は必ずしも明確ではない。

Renai Games are games where you will search and get introduced to a character,
you can also say it's a personal imaginative experience with love (love-making simulation in short)
where the player builds up his character.
In a nutcase (short term), the point of the game is love-making.
In long term, it's a game where you will make a character fall in love with you by means of elements.
Although, there are Renai games that aren't always defined like that.

基本的には男性プレイヤー向けの製品と女性プレイヤー向けの製品は明確に区別されるが、
「男女兼用恋愛ゲーム」という、ひとつのソフトで両方楽しめるゲームも存在する。

By basics, it's intended players are males OR females but
there are also games where both parties (male and female) will enjoy it.

Not every Renai games are Dating Simulation, that's our point. Although, you can say that Dating Simulation is a sub-genre of Renai games, CLANNAD is a Visual Novel (Choose your Adventure) game which is also a sub-genre of Renai games. I hope that clears some things.

[Tak]

And that is the problem, because the western side always use definition erratically (such like hentai etc). The term used for dating sim is "ren'ai" (恋愛) which is really used for what is to be: a simulation (example: magical date).

You do understand that Getchu is the largest Japanese PC-game retailer on the web, yes? And that is how they categorize Clannad? A ren'ai game?

Link: http://www.getchu.com/soft.phtml?id=502245

Nobody define dating sims as 恋愛シミュレーションゲーム anymore, just as nobody use the word 'gay' to mean 'happy'. And definitely nobody will pull out that whole wikipedia definition when I go shopping for a particular ren'ai game. If I ask for ren'ai games, I would be pointed to a shelf with games like Tokimeki Memorial and Clannad in the same section.

I guessed that some of you would go through miles to define that term. But, if my Japanese acquaintances don't give a rats bottom, retailers don't give a rats bottom, and that the game companies don't give a rats bottom, I quite frankly don't see why I should give a rat's bottom about the strict use of the definition myself.

So you know, don't tire yourself doing so, its not going to help with the shopping.

- Tak

[Klashikari]

You do understand that Getchu is the largest Japanese PC-game retailer on the web, yes? And that is how they categorize Clannad? A ren'ai game? And so? You use some weird assumption that Getchu is the holy truth. Not like I don't use that site myself either heh.

And I still don't see how it is relevant to expect the classification of a game being really representative of the use of words, especially when it is basically not the case. You say yourself that it is not how we define dating sim anymore, with "ren'ai". Sure, let's say so, then? It doesn't exactly confirm either the nature of dating sim either you see. And let's imagine again that it is now how japanese translate ADV into this, it is certainly messing up with the western use of dating sim (which would be a plain and dumb "sim" game with romance in there, totally not the same thing as a plain visual novel with choices etc).

I guessed that some of you would go through miles to define that term. But, if my Japanese acquaintances don't give a rats bottom, retailers don't give a rats bottom, and that the game companies don't give a rats bottom, I quite frankly don't see why I should give a rat's bottom about the strict use of the definition myself.

Anyway, the point is, if we don't define the said games under strict restrictions, I don't see why any of you would need to tire yourselves doing so, especially in a session (here) that I consider to be nothing more than a casual conversation. The point was to avoid misunderstanding and misconception of the already messed up western side you see. You probably don't care, but I feel correcting a term wouldn't be to the detriment of the readers though, so feel free to don't care about it, but I believe it was still interesting to touch this part, which is as messed up as misused words such like hentai, ecchi and otaku by the western side.

[Tak]

And so? You use some weird assumption that Getchu is the holy truth. Not like I don't use that site myself either heh.

Sure, its not the holy truth, but if every Japanese retailer I been to does the same thing in categorizing such games, then... are you to say that they are wrong?

Anyway, the point is, making the definitions in detail (as you did) will not help with the shopping. It certainly won't help me, as I'd imagine some of the clerks in my favorite joins would give me a blank stare on the face, with an equivalent Japanese expression of wtf? :heh:

- Tak

[dgreater1]

Sure, its not the holy truth, but if every Japanese retailer I been to does the same thing in categorizing such games, then... are you to say that they are wrong?

Anyway, the point is, making the definitions in detail (as you did) will not help with the shopping. It certainly won't help me, as I'd imagine some of the clerks in my favorite joins would give me a blank stare on the face, with an equivalent Japanese expression of wtf? :heh:

- Tak

Did you skip this part?

Not every Renai games are Dating Simulation, that's our point. Although, you can say that Dating Simulation is a sub-genre of Renai games, CLANNAD is a Visual Novel (Choose your Adventure) game which is also a sub-genre of Renai games. I hope that clears some things.

Anyway, we were just pointing out (discussing) the difference between Dating Sim to other Ren'Ai games which is CLANNAD. If you think CLANNAD is a dating sim, sure, we won't force you to think otherwise. Ren'Ai have some elements of a dating sim but at the same time it's also completely devoid of it. Ren'ai doesn't literally translate to "Dating Sim", Dating Sim is just a subgenre of Renai. Visual Novel which is Planterian, CLANNAD, Tomoyo After is also a subgenre of Renai. You can also say that Turn Based games are not the same as Real Time Strategy games yet both of them are STRATEGY games. CLANNAD is a RENAI game, classified as VisualNovel, it's story based, not statistical based where the word Simulation lands. :heh:

Renai games are Dating-Sim but not all Renai games are Dating-Sim, you don't classify them as one. Again, we're pointing out misconceptions, even if you think that's TRIVIAL to you, it is not to others.

[velvet]

Agreed with Klashikari and dgreater1 so far.
Although Tak's point cannot be dismissed altogether. The media appearance of CLANNAD did not help in this case, while showing all 5 main girls as if they were the main idea/core of this story.
I can understand though that it helps sell CLANNAD in the first place.

Clannad on Getchu is categorized as:

アドベンチャー、学園、恋愛、純愛 (Adventure, school, romance, pure love), which are categories that appear on most dating sims/visual novels. It does not specifically state that this is a visual novel and that is a dating sim. The fact is, its a bit of dating and a bit of visual novel, but whichever side you wish to lean on, its completely up to you.

Some of the definitions are reinforced by fans on the western side of the pacific, with no mirroring Japanese counterpart.

Although Tomoyo After would be a true visual novel. After all, there is no choice.

Just curious, what did we get for TA's genre in getchu?
Is there any game that Getchu classify as Visual Novel?


If I ask for ren'ai games, I would be pointed to a shelf with games like Tokimeki Memorial and Clannad in the same section.
Agreed. Refer to my points before that CLANNAD (at first) might have tried to sell itself via the 5 main girls, and that first impression might have formed a general opinion.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
Just like the fact that Kanon included ero-material in its first release, and up until now my acquintances still see it as an Eroge. Not to argue beside, well there is more to that.

That is absolutely not the same as a galge visual novel. Even though you end up with a girl in such kind of game, the predominant aspect is the narration, plot and backstory. You do no do things to hook a girl, but getting in the said route will lead to the romance (as such, you end up with choices that lead you to be closer to a certain girl, and ONLY after a certain point, you are in her route, and you don't have to do anything, and over time, the romance is blooming).

Not quite sure I understand so,
Let's see..
In a dating sim we get this so called flag.
As we achieve flags, we get a certain relationship level with (a) girl(maybe more), leading through different ending(s).
As far as I recall, CLANNAD's flags is merely an opener to routes/stories. Once you go down a route, there is no way to decrease your relationship with a certain [target].
This could be perceived differently though, but in my PoV at least, the choices available in CLANNAD (though I don't recall perfectly) are not to deepen this relationship.
To even further contradict myself, there is some choices and Kyou and Tomoyo routes that indeed felt like a dating sim flags...
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
so Klashikari, are we on the same page here?

[Klashikari]

Not quite sure I understand so,
Let's see..
In a dating sim we get this so called flag.
As we achieve flags, we get a certain relationship level with (a) girl(maybe more), leading through different ending(s).
As far as I recall, CLANNAD's flags is merely an opener to routes/stories. Once you go down a route, there is no way to decrease your relationship with a certain [target].
This could be perceived differently though, but in my PoV at least, the choices available in CLANNAD (though I don't recall perfectly) are not to deepen this relationship.
To even further contradict myself, there is some choices and Kyou and Tomoyo routes that indeed felt like a dating sim flags...
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
so Klashikari, are we on the same page here?
Quite not, the mechanic is simply not the same.
In Dating Sim, the gameplay is comparable to what you can guess from its name: you actually select a girl and depending of your actions, you gain or loses affection (it is purely a stats system).

In a usual romance focused Visual Novel, you are actually choosing the characters actions, and some of them are the so called "flags" that allow you to enter in the said girl (or character) route. Past a point, you are in her route and depending of the VN, the romance is built immediately or way afterwards.
The difference stems on the fact that you are actually choosing the action depending of the said situation, while in a Dating Sim, you are purely trying to please the said girl to hook with.
Of course, in these kind of VN, you do choose the girl you are aiming for, but most of the time, the actions taken are here to "help" or "advence" in the plot, not trying to hook with the said girl. Logically, you have NOTHING to do so the said girl fall in love with the protagonist.

For example: in clannad, there is a 2 chances-only flag for Kotomi (meeting her in the library), which is purely not related to gain affection or whatsoever. In a dating sim however, you would actually try actions that would raise your love meter, that is.

That is to say, I'm not denying the fact that some VN are really close to dating sim when you are actually making some "datin sim"-like choices to get in a girl route. That is actually the "non dating sim" ren'ai that Dgreater1 was referring to.

[velvet]

I see. I remember Tokimeki now.
From my PoV, the choices available in CLANNAD just did not strike me as something that is pleasing/appealing to your [aim/target].
A good example you raised here. We consider the dating sim's flag as stats (in my prev post I refer to this as relationship level). Can't seem to find the right words for CLANNAD's flags.

[Ithekro]

Sort of like Clannad is a Visual Novel disguised to look like a dating sim for sales, yet is not a dating sim at all.

Sort of like how Kanon has ero-material to disguise it is a plot based visual novel to get more sales.

[Kaisos Erranon]

A lot of the better games out there (Chaos;HEAd, anything Type-Moon makes, this) disguise themselves as dating sims in order to sell copies.

It's just something they have to do to please the otaku market, though I'd love to see an unabashed "THIS IS NOT A DATING GAME" visual novel actually do really well.

[Bullet2k4]

Whats the reason for showing a sad ending then a happy ending?Just to give you an idea how things would be with or without Nagisa?

[Klashikari]

The good end would have never happened without the bad end. The series hinted from a good while about the supernatural element and how the "bad end" started everything.
See the Clannad ending (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=79243) thread.

[DeX-kun]

Whats the reason for showing a sad ending then a happy ending?Just to give you an idea how things would be with or without Nagisa?

The good end would have never happened without the bad end. The series hinted from a good while about the supernatural element and how the "bad end" started everything.
See the Clannad ending (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=79243) thread.

To further this statement, the bad end coincides with the good end. It's not really so much that they're showing you how it would have went, but rather how miracles happen. In the recap episode, Tomoya said how he felt that all the tragic events happened long ago and this kind of points to how he achieved his happiness. Tomoya's willingness to help others gave him the opportunity to change his fate as long as he didn't regret meeting Nagisa, at least this is how I view things.

[Tak]

Just curious, what did we get for TA's genre in getchu?
Is there any game that Getchu classify as Visual Novel?


On Getchu, you are not going to find a category that says 'visual novel'. In fact, it is a term that is hardly used these days. While we in the forum may still apply the term casually, the retailers in Japan don't.

As for TA, interestingly enough, it is not categorized, but this is probably due to the fact that the game is no longer produced.

- Tak

[Jeiku]

Out of curiosity, have episodes 23 and 24 of Clannad After Story ever been broadcast in widescreen? It's been nearly half a month since the widescreen version ended its run, and I haven't seen any fansubs pop up for them yet.

[DeX-kun]

Out of curiosity, have episodes 23 and 24 of Clannad After Story ever been broadcast in widescreen? It's been nearly half a month since the widescreen version ended its run, and I haven't seen any fansubs pop up for them yet.

I don't think those torrents have been released yet since I'm waiting for it as well. The last WS Clannad: After Story was episode 22 I believe.

[xShirayuki]

Umm. Just a question about the game...

How do you unlock After Story?

I have completed all the routes, in the order Misae > Tomoyo > Yukine > Ryou > Kyou > Kappei > Mei & Youhei > Kotomi > Fuuko > Koumura > Nagisa. But, only 6 lights are appearing in my menu screen and After Story isn't unlocked. So, I'm hoping I didn't miss anything because I already redid Ryou, Kyou, Fuuko, Koumura and Nagisa and I don't really want to waste my time redoing everything else. Any idea why this happens?

[Sidestep]

Did you ever get Misae's light?

[xShirayuki]

I did her route as my first one. But I'm not sure if I got it...? Thanks, I might try again.

[Sidestep]

Well, you get it during Tomoyo's arc.

[xShirayuki]

Yes, I kinda already mentioned my first two routes were Misae > Tomoyo. I'm fully aware that I lose one light praying for Fuuko... somewhere along the way... but I'm not sure where the other one went. I suspect Kotomi, since when I retried Tomoyo's route, I didn't have Koumura kicking Sunohara at first. I retried Koumura's route, went to Misae's route again, and Tomoyo's route after that, and I found that Koumura kicked Sunohara back this time, giving me the combo of 64 HITS. That was really amusing, bytheway. Am I supposed to have Kotomi bashing Sunohara with a violin or something?

[Sidestep]

No, that's the highest you can get.

[tomas92]

I'm having the same problem. I didn't finish Nagisa's route yet, but I understood that I should already have 7 light orbs anyway (I already made a wish for Fuko), but I have only 6. The one I'm missing is Misae's. I did Misae's route immediately before Tomoyo's, but I didn't get her light, so I did Komura's route, and the re-finished Misae's route from a save I had near the end, and finally I loaded a save I had made at the very start of May 11 in Tomoyo's route. This time I got the 64 hit combo, but I didn't get Misae's light anyway. What should I do to get her light? I'm completely lost at what to do.

[Klashikari]

The general problem is that, in your tomoyo's route, you didn't take Misae's flag.
Basically, you HAVE to meet Misae all the time, except the last one, otherwise you won't have that event.

[tomas92]

Thanks, now I finally got the 7th light orb =D.

[xShirayuki]

So, to get this straight...

I do Koumura, then Misae, then Tomoyo, talking whenever we meet, but declining to come again when in her room. Is that right?

I got the 64 hit combo, and I also got... the event. At least, I think you're talking about the event where Misae wants to find her cat. Right...?

I'll go try again, thanks!

Edit : Darn, it didn't work. D: I guess I'll just redo everything from scratch D:

[KholdStare]

I was wondering if anyone knows all the episodes in the first season where with the girl in the other world. Thanks in advance!

[DeX-kun]

I was wondering if anyone knows all the episodes in the first season where with the girl in the other world. Thanks in advance!

Could you elaborate a little better? I'm not sure what the question is here ;)

[Sidestep]

I think he's asking for all the episodes which have Illusionary World scenes in them.

[KholdStare]

Sorry about the confusion; Sidestep got it right. Someone already answered me though outside of the thread, but thanks for the help!

[Blaster]

Is Clannad a continuation of Kanon or are the characters reused?

[Sidestep]

No to both.

[Tak]

Is Clannad a continuation of Kanon or are the characters reused?

While a lot of characters in Kanon and Clannad share numerous similarities, they do not belong to the same fictional universe.

- Tak

[swtrooper42]

Although it is obvious that Yukine and Sayuri are long lost sisters.

Ahaha

[Tak]

Although it is obvious that Yukine and Sayuri are long lost sisters.

Ahaha

In that case, you can easily relate Shiori to Nagisa, Ayu to Fuuko, Mai to Kotomi and with a bit of tweaking, you can even relate Makoto to Kyou.

This leaves Tomoyo & Nayuki the only original characters (whom I just happen to like much more than the rest of the cast)

- Tak

[Proto]

Kano, Minagi, Misuzu? :p

[Kaisos Erranon]

This leaves Tomoyo & Nayuki the only original characters (whom I just happen to like much more than the rest of the cast)

I once heard that Tomoyo and Kotomi are like two halves of Mai... so really, Nayuki is the only original character.

[Tak]

I once heard that Tomoyo and Kotomi are like two halves of Mai... so really, Nayuki is the only original character.

I personally don't know how you, or the person who informed you came to that conclusion, because I just cannot see the resemblance except for their abilities to dish out a lot of physical damage. Then again, thats Kyou's specialty, too.

And Nayuki's originality is pretty ironic, because she was a very normal girl in Kanon, so normal in fact that we probably won't notice her existence much if she was a real person. Except, in the world of Kanon, where every cast surrounding her had some sort of special thing going on, her normality actually stood out...

- Tak

[Sasano]

Well I finised CLANNAD after dropping midway in the first season years a go...Loved it...anyways..eh..

To be honest I couldn't really make out how Fuko fits in all of this.It seemed she took a lot of air time of the ainime in both start(S1) and end(s2).I'm specially bothered by her appearance in AfterStory's ending but I couldn't figure out a reason as to why...mind you I do kinda understand the whole multi-verse thing and stuff(been reading up on it).But I don't why Fuko was so important as she seems to be.

Its been bugging me since I feel like I'm missing part of the "Final Message"/Story.

[dgreater1]

Well I finised CLANNAD after dropping midway in the first season years a go...Loved it...anyways..eh..

To be honest I couldn't really make out how Fuko fits in all of this.It seemed she took a lot of air time of the ainime in both start(S1) and end(s2).I'm specially bothered by her appearance in AfterStory's ending but I couldn't figure out a reason as to why...mind you I do kinda understand the whole multi-verse thing and stuff(been reading up on it).But I don't why Fuko was so important as she seems to be.

Its been bugging me since I feel like I'm missing part of the "Final Message"/Story.

The last scene, don't think about it too much. It's in the original script and it's there for the sake of just being... ummm... there...? You can probably try to connect some supernatural things that's connected to her but as for me, I just saw the final scene as "Okay, she's at the end scene. Cool." Actually, I don't see any good reason for her to be there except for the fact the she's labeled as a "weird and random person" :heh:

As for the final message? I just took it as "The story doesn't end here"

Which reminds me, if you continue the story about the world where Ushio then afterwards, Tomoya dies, the one who'll take the ULTIMATE BLOW would be Akio and Sanae, and probably Tomoya's dad as well. It'd be interesting to see how it'd continue but I definitely don't want to see some tragedy after some tragedy, just imagining it already makes me sad.

[Dist]

Okay so.. Me and my friend were wondering about the After Story OP. At the late end you can see a scene of Ryou crying, but even though my friend just watched the whole season on a one run, he couldn't see that certain scene. We can't remember if the scene is from season 1, so could anyone refresh our memory :) ?

( And if it's from Season 1.. why is there scene from S1 in S2 OP... )

[DeX-kun]

Okay so.. Me and my friend were wondering about the After Story OP. At the late end you can see a scene of Ryou crying, but even though my friend just watched the whole season on a one run, he couldn't see that certain scene. We can't remember if the scene is from season 1, so could anyone refresh our memory :) ?

( And if it's from Season 1.. why is there scene from S1 in S2 OP... )

To answer your question frankly, it was because the plot was premeditated considering the anime is based off a game (a visual novel.) Basically, if you played the game then the plot is of no surprise to you. I myself have yet to play the game and I watched Clannad simply because of the girls at first and then realized how amazing the whole series was.

Since the plot was already laid out (with some adjustments of course for the anime,) the OP is able to use some foreshadowing techniques and show us what's going to happen without really realizing it until we actually come to the specific scene. Ryou's crying probably came from the moment Kyou tried to stop Tomoya from helping Nagisa after she gets hit by the tennis ball. The background is just there for the OP ;)

[Proto]

I think that specific scene comes from the Kappei route in the game though.

[DeX-kun]

I think that specific scene comes from the Kappei route in the game though.

You're probably right :heh: As I've said, I've yet to play the game so I don't know if there are scenes in the OP that are only from the game ;)

[Ithekro]

There is one more episode (OVA) for Kyou coming out, so maybe it is in there.

[Proto]

... the Kappei route? AND the Fujibayashi sister route? In 20 minutes?


... I would want to see that. :p

[Leo_Otaku]

Kappei!!!!! Nooooo we need you! *sulks*