Clannad - Speculation & Theories (for first time viewers)

[Pellissier]

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[Klashikari]

since the first episode is subbed, I believe we can begin the "joy" of thinking about theories, right?

Well, as far as the episode was really rich of events, some points were intriguing.

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1) Unknown girl
This girl is shown in the start of the opening, (either sleeping in the grass, or in the woods) but also in a very peculiar scene (flashback?).
Her physical traits are quite striking with Nagisa (brown hair, golden eyes). That said, it is about another world, so it shouldn't exactly have something to do with the actual situation

2) "alternate world"
We know very few things about it. Considering the narrator (who I believe it is Tomoya as a kid) descriptions, this other world completely differently, and there is only one entity, the unknown girl. For the fact: no living beings except her, no time cycle, etc... it is "looks like a dream". The thing is such dream is a bit weird, as Tomoya doesn't seem to know this girl, and if it is her dream, it is a bit far fetched that Tomoya can invade it.
Now, something to note is the PV 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gr60X--E_A): sheer amounts of light spheres, and this bone structure...

3) "Ghost Girl"
Is she related to the unknown girl? it is very hard to tell. As far as I'm thinking, it looks like this entity is linked with her, but also with Tomoya's mother. (no seriously, both the ghost and the mother died in a car accident, that's quite too big)



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4) Unidentified "girl" and a robot/toy
In the very start of the opening, we can see the hand of... a girl? (very pale... ghostly?) with a mechanical hand.
The scene then shows a windup key, and finally, a slightly moving silhouette.
I don't get what is the signification behind this, but considering the snowy scenery, instead of the dusk one used on the PV1, it might have some meaning of "death" and hibernation/isolation/loneliness.
I believe this hand belongs to the unknown girl, of point 1.


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5) Unidentified "girl" #2
Another girl, though this time, she is much smaller than the previous one, with short hair.
It is her childhood? (quite huge difference in scenery if you ask me). Nagisa's childhood? or someone else? (definitely the familiar anyway)

6) Nagisa's health
I guess many people already know but: Nagisa had to skip a large period of time a year ago, which means she might be endangered with some things.
(and seriously, with the PV3 (see below), it is big)
Now, I believe her constitution and her parents just suppress the possibility that Nagisa is a walking and physical spirit/ghost. She doesn't look having any inconsistency and her parents are damn consistant as well.


Speculation for the future events:
I believe the most obvious point will be that Tomoya will help Nagisa to "revive" the drama club. Considering what Nagisa said, it is probably that they will have to recruit some people so the club will be valid. I speculated that Youhei would perhaps help them, considering how he is close to Tomoya, while I don't see any girl to follow this, except maybe the fujibayashi twins.


Considering the PV3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci-ay1uf0OE), it looks like some basketball event is involved or something (if we consider the fact that Nagisa playing such sport, ESPECIALLY in the rain is really not natural)


random wonders :
-How is Kyou able to throw her dictionary in such fashion that the trajectory is a UPWARD curve? :heh:
-What is the secret behind Tomoyo POWN HAX skills? ^^"
-How a MILF like Sanae can do such mix between... senbei and bread? :D

indeed, the last stuff has to be taken in the second degree or whatever ^^'

[Meophist]

Having watched the first episode… I'm going to speculate someNagisa Furukawa. Seems to be the "main" girl of the series.

"The ghost", I believe is the same as the one doing the narration.

Nagisa seeks eternity, Tomoya resents it, the ghost is living in it.

Nagisa states the food she eats next every now and then. She has control over what she eats each time. An interuption in this pattern may lead to an important event.

Nagisa may be able to communicate or otherwise interact with the ghost. Tomoya's interaction with the ghost may only be indirect.I have no idea where I'm going with this.

[Grey]

Daaang, my previous experience with Kyo-Ani's presentation of Kanon has put my brain into suspicious, speculative overdrive. That is to say, they have the tendency to drop hints with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, but you won't know it's a huge hint unless (a) you already know the story, or (b) you're suspecting everything and anything of being a major hint.

Maybe I've been corrupted by that other show which has a cyclic universe, but I'll toss in the hypothesis that Tomoya is "Eternal" in some way, and that this relates to the weird flashback/dream of the "dead world that's already ended".

I hadn't noticed the "Pinocchio" in the opening until Klashikari posted in a screenshot. The "ghost girl" I originally thought was a false clue, since it felt too obvious...but now I'm tying things together....

MAD THEORY TIME: Tomoya is "Pinocchio". The "ghost girl" is the girl in the "dead/dream world that has ended". "Ghost girl"--who died in the car crash--somehow stayed alive in spirit, and watched the world from her spirit-form until it self-destructed. She then created "Pinocchio Tomoya" (was "Real Tomoya" someone she knew in life?), and is replaying her memory of the world with "Pinocchio".

...I'd like to say that "Nagisa" is "Ghost Girl", but that doesn't quite make sense since "Ghost Girl" is dead. Perhaps "Ghost Girl" and "Pinocchio Tomoya" are self-insertions into the world as "Real Tomoya" and "Nagisa"?

Also...I have no idea what in the heck was going on in the last scene of Episode 1 with Nagisa. No normal person would act that way, so maybe this fits with the "Nagisa"="Ghost Girl" hypothesis? ...except, the whole bit about "wishes" makes no sense if "Ghost Girl" created the "memory world" and is replaying it with "Pinocchio" for solely their own enjoyment. Maybe "Ghost Girl" is replaying the entire world's history with "Pinocchio" through various perspectives, but "Pinocchio" lost his memory at some point and thinks the world is real? And now "Ghost Girl Nagisa" is trying to coax his memory back through odd indirect encounters like these?

EDIT: Or maybe "Pinocchio Tomoya" was "Ghost Girl's" attempt to recreate a long dead version of "Real Tomoya"--a person whom she had a crush on? And she's replaying a time shortly after her death with "Nagisa" as a self-insertion, and "Pinocchio Tomoya" thinking he's "Real Tomoya" because "Ghost Girl" didn't build him to think otherwise? And what we saw was a flashback to his "post-sentience" existence. The comment about "wishes" was perhaps an attempt to slowly ease "Pinocchio Tomoya" into full sentience, with the world where wishes are granted being her "dead world" that she has control over. Okay, enough brain explosion.

....speculation overdrive--brain exploded.

[LolitaDecay]

Nagisa seems to be talking to herself at the very beginning of the episode, does anyone have any theories or was she just talking to herself? Now that everyone's bringing up the "ghost girl" I'm going through some wild theories.

Is Nagisa this "ghost girl"? Could Nagisa possibly have been the girl involved in the car crash? We know from Kanon that Ayu was in a coma but still was able to interact with the other characters....

>.<

Edit: Tomoya says "She's probably talking to someone in her inner mind".
Ghost girl?

[Grey]

Nagisa seems to be talking to herself at the very beginning of the episode, does anyone have any theories or was she just talking to herself? Now that everyone's bringing up the "ghost girl" I'm going through some wild theories.

Is Nagisa this "ghost girl"? Could Nagisa possibly have been the girl involved in the car crash?

Edit: Tomoya says "She's probably talking to someone in her inner mind".
Ghost girl?I used to have a habit of talking to myself when I was agitated, and I still do think aloud. So I don't consider the idea of Nagisa talking to herself too unusual. Seemed like she was trying to build up confidence, and I've muttered to myself when trying to do that as well.

...gah, after rewatching that scene, suspicious mode clicked again. The way the world flickered from blue-tones to full color...the way Nagisa spoke of nothing lasting forever.... Perhaps Tomoya being called "eternal" was actually some horrible irony, and either Nagisa or Tomoya will "die"? Perhaps "Nagisa/Ghost Girl" is reaching the end of her spirit existence, and she created "Pinocchio Tomoya" as a legacy and to try and recapture a moment of happiness in her "memory world".

[LolitaDecay]

...gah, after rewatching that scene, suspicious mode clicked again.
I know exactly what you mean! That's why I watched it again and thanks to the people above I'm now searching the whole episode for more clues xD
I bet this all turns out to be absolutely nothing and there's a rational explanation! Pfft!

As for the rest of what you said, it all could be a possibility. The OP talks alot about dreams and so forth. Maybe this has something to do with some dream world thus the whole blue theme we have going at the very start of the episode?

I'm thinking too much into this aren't I?

[Grey]

I know exactly what you mean! That's why I watched it again and thanks to the people above I'm now searching the whole episode for more clues xD
I bet this all turns out to be absolutely nothing and there's a rational explanation! Pfft!

As for the rest of what you said, it all could be a possibility. The OP talks alot about dreams and so forth. Maybe this has something to do with some dream world thus the whole blue theme we have going at the very start of the episode?

I'm thinking too much into this aren't I?With other shows this might be thinking too much, but I'm fairly confident that Kyo-Ani put a whole bunch of hints into this episode and that we can draw most of them out.

Looking at the blue-tone to full color transition again, this seems to be an obvious symbolization of "the world changing" for Tomoya. The blue-tone world indicated Tomoya's "time having stopped" (i.e. because of poor family life), and the transition to full color when Tomoya spoke to Nagisa indicates that their meeting will significantly change his life and "re-start time".

Now I just have to figure out how to insert my MAD THEORY into this symbolization. The "obvious symbolization" is precisely too obvious to be complete, and it doesn't incorporate the "dead world" or "ghost girl".

[LolitaDecay]

Well seems like we won't be able to completely tear apart the story from Ep.1 (which is good).
There's so much that has been thrown into this episode that we could speculate each fragment and still won't come to a complete conclusion.

Thanks to the genius that is KyoAni ^^

[Skyfall]

...gah, after rewatching that scene, suspicious mode clicked again. The way the world flickered from blue-tones to full color...the way Nagisa spoke of nothing lasting forever.... Perhaps Tomoya being called "eternal" was actually some horrible irony, and either Nagisa or Tomoya will "die"? Perhaps "Nagisa/Ghost Girl" is reaching the end of her spirit existence, and she created "Pinocchio Tomoya" as a legacy and to try and recapture a moment of happiness in her "memory world".

The colors coming to life seems a pretty clear reference to Tomoya's "dull and boring everyday life" coming to and end with this chance meeting :) Same for Nagisa as well - she has no friends at school and is pretty much alone. Not any more aftre meeting Tomoya. To sound cheezy here - the two brightened each other's day :p

Nagisa talking about nothing lasting forever is, most likely, reference to all the friends she had but that have all graduated by now, leaving her 'alone', because she really doesn't seem to have any friends in her new class.

As far as i can see, there is nothing supernatural about Nagisa. She is just a shy girl with a weak body :)

[Deathkillz]

Just like with Ayu , it seems like Nagisa would be the main girl in this case. Well for one thing Tomoyo seems to be out of it aleady seen as she has her own game "Tomoyo after" - and the vibe I'm getting from her at the moment feels like Mai :rolleyes:

I'm excting the usual Key treatment when it comes to the story line. Yep, one where "magical/miracle" happenings come true :3

[Grey]

The colors coming to life seems a pretty clear reference to Tomoya's "dull and boring everyday life" coming to and end with this chance meeting :) Same for Nagisa as well - she has no friends at school and is pretty much alone. Not any more aftre meeting Tomoya. To sound cheezy here - the two brightened each other's day :p

Nagisa talking about nothing lasting forever is, most likely, reference to all the friends she had but that have all graduated by now, leaving her 'alone', because she really doesn't seem to have any friends in her new class.

As far as i can see, there is nothing supernatural about Nagisa. She is just a shy girl with a weak body :)I agree. I was a bit too drawn up into my MAD THEORY(tm) when I wrote the post you quoted, and recanted in order to note the more obvious interpretation at post #8.

But...appearances can be deceiving, and Kanon has made me suspicious of Key/Kyo-Ani. There are a few too many coincidences and oddities for things to be completely normal. The "dead world", the "ghost girl", the girl who looks a bit like Nagisa in the "dead world", the boy's voice in the "dead world", the "Pinocchio" in the opening, and that odd scene at the end of episode 1.

Of course, I'll be chortling quite ruefully if the story turns out to be completely normal and the things I mentioned are nothing more than false clues and symbolism. Looking back at these first posts of mine will be a truly facepalming moment. :heh:
EDIT: But I doubt that the "dead world" is merely symbolism, as it feels laid on a bit too thickly for that. And the description and situation in the "dead world" seems a bit too odd for it merely to be a "normal world" flashback. It strikes me more as one of those "mysteeeeerious clues" that is only cashed out in later episodes. I'm betting on a crazy supernatural twist.

[Lilith]

What about the food? "Red Bean Bread" and "Hamburger"? :p

[cicido]

As far as i can see, there is nothing supernatural about Nagisa. She is just a shy girl with a weak body :)

Then why did she say all the stuff about wishes come true at the end >_<

[Ascaloth]

-How a MILF like Sanae can do such mix between... senbei and bread? :D


I can't wait for her to come up with a bread with a certain "special blend" of jam in it. :D

[luckyovermind]

Please allow me to step in and say something :heh:

Clannad isn't like higurashi. It isn't really necessary to speculate what's going to happen next. If you guessed right, it isn't going to do you any good except to lessen the impact of tear-jerking scenes. Sit back and enjoy this show is all you need to do.

That been said, I am not here to stop you from doing anything. If it is fun to speculate then why not do so. My suggestion is only that: don't try too hard :heh:

[LolitaDecay]

Please allow me to step in and say something :heh:

Clannad isn't like higurashi. It isn't really necessary to speculate what's going to happen next. If you guessed right, it isn't going to do you any good except to lessen the impact of tear-jerking scenes. Sit back and enjoy this show is all you need to do.

That been said, I am not here to stop you from doing anything. If it is fun to speculate then why not do so. My suggestion is only that: don't try too hard :heh:
Yeah I know what you mean.
I stopped myself when I watched it again and found myself pausing and thing 'OMG NEW THEORIES!?1/!'
It's no fun going too in detail :p

[Grey]

What about the food? "Red Bean Bread" and "Hamburger"? :pI had no idea what was meant when she said "Anpan". But after seeing her say "Hamburger" later, it immediately struck me as the "I'll treat myself if I do well" psychological trick. Basically, people face an unpleasant situation or task, but give themselves the motivation to go through it by promising themselves something nice if they go through with it (e.g. chocolate; cake). I've never found this to work for me, but apparently it works for some people.

So, I guess Nagisa was trying to work up the confidence to go to school, and promised herself Anpan for lunch if she did? She was eating Anpan later, after all. And I'm willing to wager that she ate some hamburger that day too (even if we didn't see it).

Clannad isn't like higurashi. It isn't really necessary to speculate what's going to happen next. If you guessed right, it isn't going to do you any good except to lessen the impact of tear-jerking scenes. Sit back and enjoy this show is all you need to do.There seems to be a slight contradiction between advising one to enjoy the show, and implying that one ought to not lessen the impact of the tear-jerking scenes. :) But then, some people enjoy watching horror films, so to each their own, I suppose. I enjoy seeing how close to the mark I can actually get.

I still have a couple incomplete theories revolving around "dual consciousness/identity" sitting on the backburner. I'll puzzle out the relation between the "dead world" and the "normal world" yet! :D

[Meophist]

Wikipedia:
On August 27, 2003, at 9:51:13 UT, Mars made its closest approach to Earth in nearly 60,000 years: 55,758,006 km.

I wonder if this has any relevence to the story…

[Meophist]

I had no idea what was meant when she said "Anpan". But after seeing her say "Hamburger" later, it immediately struck me as the "I'll treat myself if I do well" psychological trick. Basically, people face an unpleasant situation or task, but give themselves the motivation to go through it by promising themselves something nice if they go through with it (e.g. chocolate; cake). I've never found this to work for me, but apparently it works for some people.

So, I guess Nagisa was trying to work up the confidence to go to school, and promised herself Anpan for lunch if she did? She was eating Anpan later, after all. And I'm willing to wager that she ate some hamburger that day too (even if we didn't see it).The subs made a mistake, she didn't say "hamburger" but "hanbaagu", which is what we see her eat for dinner.

[Grey]

Wikipedia:
On August 27, 2003, at 9:51:13 UT, Mars made its closest approach to Earth in nearly 60,000 years: 55,758,006 km.

I wonder if this has any relevence to the story…Hmm, difficult to say. I'm certain that some comments in the episode were merely "false clues", like how I first thought the girl who died in the car crash was a false clue. But supernatural twists make it hard to rule anything out. At the moment, the date doesn't seem to have any significance, especially because we don't know what year Clannad is taking place in. But it is a little fact to keep in the back of our minds for future episodes. :D

The subs made a mistake, she didn't say "hamburger" but "hanbaagu", which is what we see her eat for dinner.Ohho, really? Victory! Confirmation on one theory in the first episode. :D

[Meophist]

Hmm, difficult to say. I'm certain that some comments in the episode were merely "false clues", like how I first thought the girl who died in the car crash was a false clue. But supernatural twists make it hard to rule anything out. At the moment, the date doesn't seem to have any significance, especially because we don't know what year Clannad is taking place in. But it is a little fact to keep in the back of our minds for future episodes. :DI remember hearing that Key games usually take place the year the game is released. Clannad seems to be a special case in that it was first planned for release in 2002 but got pushed back to 2004, so it taking place duiring 2003 isn't out of the question. Furthermore, I also remember hearing that in Air, a astrological phenomeon(of the year it took place in) was shown and was a part of the plot.

[Klashikari]

Hmm, difficult to say. I'm certain that some comments in the episode were merely "false clues", like how I first thought the girl who died in the car crash was a false clue. But supernatural twists make it hard to rule anything out. At the moment, the date doesn't seem to have any significance, especially because we don't know what year Clannad is taking place in. But it is a little fact to keep in the back of our minds for future episodes. :D
err... "false clue" term is a bit far fetched (more likely "fake clues" made by overboard watchers :heh:)
That said, considering the utter lack of blatant "supernatural' aspect IN-series (aside of the "other world view), it is a bit hard.

Ohho, really? Victory! Confirmation on one theory in the first episode. :DCheck soon for "Tonkatsu" ^^"

as another "weird" part, though not that really important: Tomoyo's scene has a "weird" look. (i'm not talking about the differences of both view heh XD)
Basically, Tomoyo's view had a strong blue hue for the whole image, and it is suddenly suppressed with the spectator view etc.
Might be interesting how it will goes if she keeps using her kick combo in the future.

[Nightengale]

It's hard to make speculations when the line of the possibility of Clannad hasn't been drawn. Although saying to go the whole yard to go the whole yard... It's kinda daunting, considering we know so little, yet has the ethereal feel to Clannad at the same time.

I'll say this with my gut intuition. 100% baseless speculation.

Kyou will be normal.

Fuko will be abnormal... Mai, hell, Ayu-level abnormal even. There's just something about the way she looked from the OP plus that starfish that ticks me in a way far more than Ayu ever did.

Don't ask how I feel this way. I just do.

Nothing clicks for the rest yet. Tomoyo's giving that strange feeling, but it felt more shoved down the throat than an actual vibe, so no comment. Same with others, though since I say Kyou feels like she's normal, probably Ryou too. Maybe.

[hoang24]

Maybe Nagisa will do something that changes Tomoya's life because at the beginning he said he hated the current way he was living and at the end, Nagisa said something about fulfilling his wishes, maybe it has something to do with the "Pinocchio body" someone said earlier or he changes when he sleeps, thus the alternet dream world . I'm just guessing here, dunno what the hell will happen next >.<

[luckyovermind]

The subs made a mistake, she didn't say "hamburger" but "hanbaagu", which is what we see her eat for dinner.

Oh really? I thought I heard something like "bumbum":D

And just a random guess, that girl in the "dream world", may be she is tomoya's mother? I know she looks awfully like nagisa, so I am very likely to be wrong.:heh:

[iamandragon]

Oh really? I thought I heard something like "bumbum":D

And just a random guess, that girl in the "dream world", may be she is tomoya's mother? I know she looks awfully like nagisa, so I am very likely to be wrong.:heh:

There're a few more possibilities and options...but you've got two keywords correct in your above statement.

[Kristen]

Just through a little bit of studying, I think I've come to the conclusion that Nagisa=Girl in room. Look at how she looks. Then, go to the OP portion that shows scenes of Nagisa. There is a girl lying in the snow. That looks incredibly similar to the girl in the room. Maybe it's a younger self of Nagisa, kind of like the Kanon flashbacks of Ayu? The only thing that tells my otherwise is that this girl doesn't have the antennae that I am already marking trademark with her family.

[Grey]

Hum, yes, for the sake of parsimony, it seems reasonable to suppose that at least one person in the "dead world" is a main character. Either the girl is Nagisa, or the boy's voice is Tomoya, or both.

Also...apparently "dead world boy" (DWB) is without a body? Hmm, when DWB mentioned in episode one that he hadn't been "born" in this world, I thought that he was either a robot, or a dimension traveler. Now it seems he's either: (1) a spirit that just manifested in the "dead world" from nothing (i.e. wasn't "born"), or (2) a spirit that crossed worlds/dimensions (i.e. wasn't born in that world).

If DWB is a spirit that manifested from nothing, the events of the "dead world" clearly take place before the events in the "normal world". If DWB crossed dimensions, then the events of the "normal world" could be in the past or the future. Myself, I'm inclined to say that the events of the "dead world" occur before the events in the "normal world". Simply because, at present, I find it hard to understand how the situation as shown in the "dead world" could produce a solid conclusion to all the stories that revolve around the charaters in the "normal world".

Ahaha, I shake my head ruefully at finding out that Nagisa's mysterious lines were just lines from a play she was practicing. Tricksy, tricksy. That rules out any direct evidence for a supernatural connection between Nagisa and any ghost girl or "dead world" girl. But I am greatly gratified by Nagisa confirming my confidence theory with her own words. Huahaha!

Hum, that's it for now. Can't think of anything else around which I can clarify or revise my theories.

[Klashikari]

Second episode is subbed, so now, let's see..

Confirmation:

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-Girl in the snow = Girl in the alternate world
As seen in this episode, the unknown girl build a "robot" or puppet. This basically confirms the hand in the first part of the OP is indeed hers.


Speculations/Theories

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1) The boy and the mecanical doll
The boy definitely said the girl made this doll for him. It is possible that the boy is somply a non tangible observer, and the girl crafted this mechanical body so he can directly interact with her (thus giving "birth" to him in this world).
It is probably she tries to be closer with him, as she doesn't look alone anymore, while the boy wishes to be with her as well.

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2) Tomoyo's past
Considering what she said, her prowesss but also the fact she was transferred recently, i think tomoyo wasn't always the "hero", and might have been involved in some fights and such.
Is it possible she abused of her strength and/or get manipulated with some people? The fact she is even attacking punks in the city might be a way to do atonement. Well, it is a bit far fetched though.

3) the ghost
it is troubling now... it appears the ghost is quite "solid", as she can be seen in bright day. It doesn't look like the guys were joking... is it Kotomi? Fuko?
Fuko might be the one, since she is carving wooden star(s) so... *scratches his head*

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/th_CLANNADep02099.jpg (http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/CLANNADep02099.jpg) http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/th_CLANNADep02100.jpg (http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/CLANNADep02100.jpg)
4) Tomoya and his father
here is what i thought about this peculiar part (taken from the blog (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/clannad-episode-2/))

I believe this accident was also the trigger why he is so distant with Tomoya. At first, people might think he is kind, but in fact, he is rather cold to me, due how he calls his son (Tomoya-kun, instead of any affective pronoun or such), and how it doesn't sound exactly compassionate. He really looks like a doll or something, which is why Tomoya freaked out and doesn't understand what he is for him.
That is the irony because it is clear he cares for Tomoya, but he is probably afraid to hurt him again, especially what happened before. He is a gambler and an alcoholic, so nothing like a model, let's not repeat the incident before. So basically, he is truely a bad father, and involving back with Tomoya might make things worse. That's probably why he is distant, so he won't bring any harm. And considering his despair, I believe he doesn't think he is able to do any atonement towards Tomoya after what happened in their life.

I must also add that considering he is alcoholic, it is safe to say that this accident isn't the only one which happened before, and it is probable that he abused his son in various previous instances. Either way, the hatred Tomoya has is really deep within his heart.

[Rhyel]

I am a first time viewer.

To me:

Nagisa = Ghost. Only Tomoya and Furukawa family can see her. Maybe Ryou, can see too. :uhoh:

This explain Nagisa alone all time. Other normal people run away. :D

[iamandragon]

I am a first time viewer.

To me:

Nagisa = Ghost. Only Tomoya and Furukawa family can see her. Maybe Ryou, can see too. :uhoh:

This explain Nagisa alone all time. Other normal people run away. :D

The fact that she can put up posters prooves it is not. Remember the describtion of the students who have met the ghost? She 'handed them a suspicious voodoo object'.

So far the girls we have met are:
Nagisa--with a suspicious dango poster
Kyou/Ryou--with a suspicious rocket propelled dictionary
Kotomi--with a suspicious home made lunch box
Fuko--with a suspicious very lovely star shaped thingy
Tomoyo--with a suspicious powerful 528 hit kicking leg

Now, who is the ghost, or is it any other girls who haven't appeared?

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

After watching episode 2, I'm interested in what really happened between Tomoya and his father. The reason why Tomoya can't play basketball anymore was because he got into a fight with his father during his middle school years. Tomoya's past is still blurry at this point, but from what we have seen so far, the bad relationship between his father and himself must have been a result from his mother passing away...maybe Tomoya think its his fault his mother passed away? or his father just doesn't care and goes off being drunk and gambles.

As for the "ghost sightings" I gotta go over the past two episodes...I seen those comments here and there throughout the two episodes, but can't say who is the ghost.

[iamandragon]

Tomoya wants to be recognized by his father as a son, but his father is now taking an approach towards him like Tomoya is his friend not his son. The word -kun is usually for people you don't know really well. A little distant than -san though.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Tomoya wants to be recognized by his father as a son, but his father is now taking an approach towards him like Tomoya is his friend not his son. The word -kun is usually for people you don't know really well. A little distant than -san though.

thats pretty interesting...although there has to be a reason to this, since Tomoya doesn't have the kind of family that Nagisa has. Plus his arm and why he can't shoot a basketball into a basket anymore...I found that scene pretty emotional and shocking in my opinion.

On another note, the girl in the other dimension and the robot bear that she is making...she looks like Nagisa...but with longer hair and is isolated in a winter setting and a small house.
Another thing that I found weird was Nagisa being knocked out in the snow during the opening sequence. Do both scenes have something in common?...maybe Nagisa might pull out an "Ayu" towards the end of Clannad.:heh:
just predicting though...

[Kristen]

I think Tomoya sharpened Fuuko's knife. He took it away because it wasn't sharp. He gave it back, and it was hidden in a case. He must have either sharpened it or replaced it.

[iamandragon]

thats pretty interesting...although there has to be a reason to this, since Tomoya doesn't have the kind of family that Nagisa has. Plus his arm and why he can't shoot a basketball into a basket anymore...I found that scene pretty emotional and shocking in my opinion.

On another note, the girl in the other dimension and the robot bear that she is making...she looks like Nagisa...but with longer hair and is isolated in a winter setting and a small house.
Another thing that I found weird was Nagisa being knocked out in the snow during the opening sequence. Do both scenes have something in common?...maybe Nagisa might pull out an "Ayu" towards the end of Clannad.:heh:
just predicting though...

They are connected. The girl in the other world is actually *beep* who *beep* and *beep*. She *beep* Tomoya and *beep* *beep* *BEEEEEEP*

As you can see, anything about the girl in the other world is a spoiler and therefore mustn't be disclosed. She is a spoiler integrated living being, and just knowing one single fact about her will reveal the whole story of CLANNAD. If you want to know, keep supporting and watching CLANNAD_TV.

Hint: The 'other world' scene should appear 10 times, or maybe 11 times for the last one is pretty long. The truth of CLANNAD will be disclosed in the final 'other world' scene--look forward to it!

P.S. If you want to be totally spoiled in a way such that it'll be pointless to watch the show anymore, feel free to pm me...

Probably? The knief is not of any importance anyways, so there's no evidence on it.

[Klashikari]

Still on this girl, we can claim a fair statement now:

Confirmation:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/th_CLANNADep03006.jpg (http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/CLANNADep03006.jpg)
Unknown girl =/= Nagisa

Considering the seiyuu change (which isn't required if it was the same character, since it is Nakahara Mai, proficient enough with child voices), it is safe to assume she isn't Nagisa. She might be related to her because of her striking ressemblance. That said, the seiyuu change "proves" it isn't her.
It wouldn't make sense to maker her talk if it isn't that a spoiler in such stage of the anime. Thus, proving she is different doesn't have a huge impact, while if she was Nagisa, it would.



Not many things to talk about this week, though it might be interesting to understand what is it about the boy, who is now in a robotic body.

facts:

He had a memory, so probably a earlier "life". it is unclear if this place is afterlife (quite difficult to say, because they are alone), or such
He is attracted by this girl, since he doesn't seem to regret his choice, despite what he claimed in the first episode as it wouldn't be a good place to be born
He is seeking warmth. That might be linked with the fact the boy was alone, in a very lonely/sad/depressing state etc.If it is Tomoya, it might be linked with his mother's death.
Though the timeline (which doesn't seem to work in this world) and the identities are quite lacking...

[Lilith]

After watching episode 3
I suspect Fuko to be the ghost girl because she fits the description (hands strange objects).

In the "other world"... Thanks iamandragon for the warning, but the same thing could be said for everything. I still think it's fun to speculate. :D Anyways, it surprised me that the talking child was actually the robot. I agree with Klashikari, the girl is not Nagisa (and the rest of facts). I still believe that this other world is connected to the play that Nagisa liked to act in.

Maybe we didn't meet all characters yet, however in the opening I couldn't help but notice:
-Standing girl (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v348/lematha/?action=view&current=op1.jpg)(and another (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v348/lematha/?action=view&current=op2.jpg)).
-Running little girl (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/lematha/op3.jpg).
I wonder...

Also, I'm thinking that the short haired lady is connected to Yoshino Yuusuke judging from this (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/lematha/op4.jpg). :D Not sure how it's related to the story though...

In short, episode 3 didn't help me in speculating anything. :heh:

[Kristen]

Just a little something I noticed...

In episode 2, Nagisa said that she says the names of foods to encourage her. In episode 1, when she first meets Tomoya, she says "Bean Paste Bun". She is later shown eating it.
It does not seem like she did anything else exceptional before eating it. I think she may have wanted to meet Tomoya, and that was why she needed the encouragement.

[Klashikari]

her "anpan" was more likely an attempt to cheer herself to ask such question as a "play" for an hypothetic person.
That's probably the reason why she was tense in the very start of episode 1, while she brought it a bit out of the blue when Tomoya talked to her why she was alone.

Rather something like "since I did the job and get my reward, I should go on like this". Well, something of that sort..."

[iamandragon]

She doesn't want to go to school because all her friends are gone, so she's been trying to encourage herself to walk up the slop that leads to school.

[Lilith]

Ah... :heh:

*nods nods* I think it's about having the courage to go to school and interact with other people.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

They are connected. The girl in the other world is actually *beep* who *beep* and *beep*. She *beep* Tomoya and *beep* *beep* *BEEEEEEP*

As you can see, anything about the girl in the other world is a spoiler and therefore mustn't be disclosed. She is a spoiler integrated living being, and just knowing one single fact about her will reveal the whole story of CLANNAD. If you want to know, keep supporting and watching CLANNAD_TV.

Hint: The 'other world' scene should appear 10 times, or maybe 11 times for the last one is pretty long. The truth of CLANNAD will be disclosed in the final 'other world' scene--look forward to it!

P.S. If you want to be totally spoiled in a way such that it'll be pointless to watch the show anymore, feel free to pm me...

Probably? The knief is not of any importance anyways, so there's no evidence on it.

I'll stick to watching Clannad instead of just getting spoiled all the way.:heh:
But thats pretty cool that both are connected in a way that will show the meaning of Clannad at the end.
Haven't watched episode 3, so I can't make new predictions yet.

[2H-Dragon]

The only theory I can think of. Is that the thing with "the girl in the other world" is the play Nagisa wants to do. Would make hell a lot of sense if it was just a story. Rather then some weird supernatural connection.

On the other hand it's from key so would a supernatural connection make more sense?

[iamandragon]

The only theory I can think of. Is that the thing with "the girl in the other world" is the play Nagisa wants to do. Would make hell a lot of sense if it was just a story. Rather then some weird supernatural connection.

On the other hand it's from key so would a supernatural connection make more sense?

All I can advice you is to wait till the end. There's no way anyone can figure it out unless they're spoiled.

[2H-Dragon]

All I can advice you is to wait till the end. There's no way anyone can figure it out unless they're spoiled.

Yeah, but the point of this thread is speculate and make theories and watch the series to see who's right no?

[lotus7]

Yeah, but the point of this thread is speculate and make theories and watch the series to see who's right no?

well, yes. but then having someone who's played the game/actually knows what happens telling you yes or no would kind of ruin the surprise wouldnt it?;)

[2H-Dragon]

well, yes. but then having someone who's played the game/actually knows what happens telling you yes or no would kind of ruin the surprise wouldnt it?;)

I haven't played the game though. :F

[Siva]

OK guys, i am new to here.
After i read all of those posts in this thread, it seems like you guys forgot something important.
Many of you seem like they make their own theory out of what they saw in each episodes, in other word, you only watch what the director want you to see but you forget what they try to hide from us or what they hint for us in each episodes. I am not talking big here, it just my theory.
Out of 3 episodes so far and there is no way anyone would know what was the story behind those hints except Key and KyoAni.

@2H-Dragon: you seem to get to the right direction.

@Klashikari: "her 'anpan' was more likely an attempt to cheer herself" You are right, and what she says after "anpan" is not like she talk to herself but rather a reciting lines from a play just like what she did at the beginning of ep 2. It was a big success from Key that they can make you guy confuse to think that those line is what she talk about herself. How do i know it?

1. Why does Nagisa want to create the theater club? (in ep3: she said because it was fun?)
2. What does the play which Nagisa recites it 2 times already for?
3. Why did Nagisa want to play it for?
4. Who will be the person that she is going to recite those lines to?

Base on these questions i have rewatch the show many times. And here is the little bit of clue.

Boy = boy’s voice in the flashback
Girl = Nagisa

>>Boy said “This is a world that has ended. Nothing is born, nothing dies. Even time does not exist. If I were to search for a place to be born, then I realized it should not be here. There was a person in a world like this. Could she see me? I was not born to this world. The girl who lives alone in the world that ended. The girl who lives in a vacant, unmoving world. For some reason, she interested me.” (ep1 at 5:50)
>>Girl said “Do you like this PLACE(school)? I really, really love it. But nothing can stay unchanged. Fun thing… Happy thing… They can’t all possibly stay unchanged. Even so, can you keep on loving this place?” (ep1 at 0:50)

>>Boy said “The girl’s life is a lonely one. No one other than the girl exists. It is a given… since nothing is born or dies here. This is such a world. That body was made for me. Is “wishing” all I have to do? Wish to be born in this world… The one and only warmth in this world. Since sometime ago, I’ve sought that.”(ep2 at 2:45)
>>Girl said “If you wish, would you like me to take you? To the place in this city where wishes come true.” (ep2 at 0:01)


All i can say is we have to wait until the theater club finally reformed and see what kind of play that Nagisa has it in her mind.

[Lilith]

Other world <==> Nagisa's play
I claimed it! I claimed it!

*ahems*
I completely agree with you Siva. :D

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Nagisa's play being the "other world" isn't a bad theory. It could make sense and since she did ask Tomoya about going to another dimension where there isn't any sickness or death, but claims to be practicing a line from her play.

[Klashikari]

I'm not particularly sold with this, as the girl has very little chance to be Nagisa.
Basically, the voice hint is obviously given as it isn't a spoiler. If it was, they wouldn't use another seiyuu THAT different from nakahara mai's performance.

That said, considering the actual time line, it is not yet possible to claim if the boy is indeed Tomoya... dream situation? that's actually hard to tell because the boy seem to interact well in this world and it is progressive. (which proves it is a true realm, and not a dream. A dream has hardly a sense of continuity and such)

so far, Nagisa's play isn't exacty that surprising, and considering her shown background until now (healthy parents, etc), she is hardly similar to usual "key mystical girl"... well that's how i see her :heh:

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

I'll believe in the "Nagisa's play = Other dimension" for now until we get a better understanding of what it means.

Another thing that comes up to my mind on how the "other dimension" scene relates to Nagisa is during the opening. We see her lying on a snowy ground...and it seems to be the same scenario on what happened to her after waiting in the rain for Tomoya to come and play basketball with her. The whole setting of where she is lying is identical to the setting of the "other dimension" girl. While iamandragon has already hinted that those two scenes will be greatly related later on, I can see how Nagisa's play doesn't relate to the "other dimension" scenes.

While I'm on the topic of the opening sequence, a lot of experienced Clannad gamers have hinted that the opening spoils alot on whats to come. So does that mean Kyou will challenge Tomoya to a basketball match later on? Who is that person on the wheel chair that Tomoyo is pushing?

[lotus7]

i doubt that the "other dimension" girl is nagisa. the look is similar, but different enough to make me think maybe she has a long dead sister or something? as to her significance... i admit to being utterly stumped.

generally, given key's reputation for whacked out timelines and storylines more confuzzling than... something really confusing, i'm somewhat frustrated by the lack of any decent hints to go on. i realise it's only 3 episodes in, but since i've heard that the game has a fairly extensive story i'm wondering just how many hints have been dropped so far that those of us who haven't played the game have missed out on.

[dgreater1]

You wouldn't know about it when it only has air 3 eps. Actually, you wouldn't probably know about it unless they reached the last part of the Illusionary World. Trying to force yourself to guess about it right now might spoil the story for you. Just let the flow take you away :heh:

[Siva]

@Klashikari: i have never claim that the girl is Nagisa or the boy is Tomoya but i just compare what Nagisa said and what the boy said.

I have never ever played Clannad game or knew any spoilers from the gamers. At this point I still dont know what was the girl's story about and I can't even say that the girl's story is an Other dimension/Flashback/Dream because there is noway to say that.

[Klashikari]

@Klashikari: i have never claim that the girl is Nagisa or the boy is Tomoya but i just compare what Nagisa said and what the boy said.

I have never ever played Clannad game or knew any spoilers from the gamers. At this point I still dont know what was the girl's story about and I can't even say that the girl's story is an Other dimension/Flashback/Dream because there is noway to say that.

Oh my bad, i thought because of the direct implication. indeed the parallelism holds some point :)
Much like how gamers are implying, looks like we won't really nail the truth any time soon :heh:

[Siva]

Oh my bad, i thought because of the direct implication. indeed the parallelism holds some point :)
Much like how gamers are implying, looks like we won't really nail the truth any time soon :heh:But what is bother me the most is the title of episode 6 "The Older and Younger Sister's Founder's Festival" everytime is see the word "Festival" in a title episode of an anime it always has something big happened in that episode. :heh:

[iamandragon]

You wouldn't know about it when it only has air 3 eps. Actually, you wouldn't probably know about it unless they reached the last part of the Illusionary World. Trying to force yourself to guess about it right now might spoil the story for you. Just let the flow take you away :heh:

More like kill all your brain cells before you can enjoy the story...

Surprisingly, most of the first timers are getting 70% of the stuff right, despite the bizarre concept of the 'other world'...

Here's a little hint in form of a quiz: who's closer to the truth? Lilith or Ultima_Rasengan05 ?

Lilith says Other World <==>Nagisa's play
Ultima_Rasengan05 says Other World = Nagisa's play

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

More like kill all your brain cells before you can enjoy the story...

Surprisingly, most of the first timers are getting 70% of the stuff right, despite the bizarre concept of the 'other world'...

Here's a little hint in form of a quiz: who's closer to the truth? Lilith or Ultima_Rasengan05 ?

Lilith says Other World <==>Nagisa's play
Ultima_Rasengan05 says Other World = Nagisa's play

Woah, are we both really that accurate about the whole "other world" concept and Nagisa's unknown play?
heh:heh:, I better stop digging more further into this speculation before I hit bullseye and spoil myself with just only 3 episodes that have just premiered.

[2H-Dragon]

Woah, are we both really that accurate about the whole "other world" concept and Nagisa's unknown play?
heh:heh:, I better stop digging more further into this speculation before I hit bullseye and spoil myself with just only 3 episodes that have just premiered.

I don't see how you can spoil yourself unless someone confirms it, but that guy would get banned I guess. =o

[iamandragon]

I'll never tell who's right. But those who are able to spot the difference between the two choices probably have more than half of the concept already in their mind. And even if you get it right on your own, you won't be spoiled as there's still that 50% that no one will ever be able to get.

[Siva]

I'll never tell who's right. But those who are able to spot the difference between the two choices probably have more than half of the concept already in their mind. And even if you get it right on your own, you won't be spoiled as there's still that 50% that no one will ever be able to get.
I guess u r one of those people who play the game. Even without you said this, i already figure out it since episode 2 with my theory, I am 100% sure that Nagisa is going to play that Dream/Otherworld because beside this one what else could it be her play. But this is not that important thing it is just a lead for us to looking forward to what is the story/plot/climax behind this Dream/Otherworld. If i am not wrong the robot that shows at the very beginning of the OP song must be the secret thing that would be revealed at the end just like the big Tree at the beginning of Kanon OP song.

[Grey]

Hmm, I'm more inclined towards a supernatural explanation of the "dead world" rather than the "'dead world' <--> play" relation. This is primarily because the "dead world" is introduced very early in the story, and is given a mysterious/prominent role (in the opening too). If the "dead world" is merely Nagisa's play, why does Key/Kyo-Ani give it this type of screentime? The early introduction of the "dead world", its prominence in the opening, and its presentation as something mysterious and unexplained--these all suggest that the "dead world" is something that will be a major plot point in later episodes. And I cannot see how Nagisa's play could be something so major that it's sensible to show clips of it in the opening and the very first episode.

Kyo-Ani has set up a mysterious other world. If the phenomenon is supernatural, then revealing its true nature and connection to the characters is fitting for a climax. But revealing that the mysterious "dead world" is really just a play--in the last few episodes, for instance--would be more of an anti-climax. What was mysterious becomes mundane. And if they reveal that the "dead world" is just a play halfway through the story and move on to other plot threads, I have to wonder once again why it was treated how it was. I suppose the play's significance could be heavy symbolism paralleling, say, Tomoya's life...but I doubt that's it. It's unnecessary to make symbolism about, say, Nagisa and/or Tomoya's relationships appear mysterious, in the opening, and in the very first episodes. In other words, "'dead world" <-> play" simply doesn't jive with my instincts on how one would layout such a story.

Also, it would be too contrived for there to be another world exactly like the "dead world" of the play. Though.....I suppose it's not impossible.

In other news: It's heavily implied that Ibuki Fuuko is the car crash ghost girl? That's certainly unexpected, but would bolster my suspicions that the "dead world" is supernatural and actual (i.e. if they introduce one supernatural occurrence as a plot point, then it shows that the world isn't completely "normal" and there may be other supernatural phenomenon). Of course, she might have just suffered from some odd brain damage, escaped from the hospital, and is now--somehow--living in the school. Frankly, that may be more odd than her actually being a ghost.

[Klashikari]

Well, many hints from episode 4... let's see:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/th_CLANNADep04038.jpg (http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/CLANNADep04038.jpg)
1) Tomoyo

What struck me was probably how Tomoyo was shocked because she could be mistaken by a guy due her strength. As result, it strongly implies that Tomoyo was probably a troublemaker before transferring to Tomoya's school, due of the fuss she was probably involved before.
This attitude is even more noticeable when Tomoyo actually looked disappointed when she understood that Youhei and Tomoya were playing with her, as the former was doing his idiotic charming moves :heh:
AT least, it appears that Tomoyo has something she wants to erase, and thus, becoming the perfect student, normal girl with in bonus, being the student council president.


http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/th_CLANNADep04092.jpg (http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/CLANNADep04092.jpg)
2) Fuko
Well, fuko looks like a Ayu MKII.
Seriously, there is almost no mistake she is the ghost, considering her "quest" to invite students to her sister's wedding and also the rumor about the ghost girl who gives cursed items.

Thus adding the fact she is in the school for no real purpose, and she is carving the wooden stars all the days along, it is pretty safe to assume she is the said ghost.

Now, if we take into account what Nagisa said, the real "Ibuki Fuko" is probably in a comatose state, and her spirit wants so much to makes her sister happy that she got her spiritual form to the point she is trying to fulfill her wish.

looks like the hints are really given right from the bat.

[Siva]

And I cannot see how Nagisa's play could be something so major that it's sensible to show clips of it in the opening and the very first episode.So what type of screentime should it be then? J/K
If you can not see how Nagisa's play could be something so major then what else do you see that it can be tight Nagisa's and Tomoya's mysteries background together?
And the other 4 girls, Ryou, Kyou, Fuko and Tomoyo, they are just the kind of characters who have side story with Tomoya which is going to spent 2 or 3 episodes with for each of them.
I'm sorry Grey if my word mean to u but i didnt mean that your theories are wrong because ppl have their own opinion and I can't say that i am the one who can be right.

looks like the hints are really given right from the bat.I guess u might be the one who took the bait.:D
After i finished ep 4, yes everything show that Fuko is the gosh girl and the one who is carving the star maybe the kind of spiritual form, BUT after i saw the preview, I somehow dont really understand the preview and i am still fifty-fifty about Fuko the one we are seeing in the classroom is a gosh/spiritual form or not.

[2H-Dragon]

Ok so Fuuko is the little sister of that woman who Ozaki saw in the shop and thought was beautiful and she is going to get married to the repairman guy/famous MC guy. What's the problem though? Even is she really wants her sister to be happy. She probably will be since she is marrying someone she loves, right? There must be more, but I can't see what. :|

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

shocking that Tomoyo is the Student Council President. Plus the fact that she used to be a trouble maker back then is proof of why she always warned Sunohara that she was just kicking his butt "out of self defense" and always asks that Tomoya be her witness to this fact.
But this brings back to the question about the wheelchair that Tomoyo may be pushing during the OP...who could that be?
Maybe she too had past family problems and the only way to get out of that haunting thought of family problems was to become a trouble maker and basically beat the crap out of other troublemakers like biker gangs and such.

[eMpTy265]

shocking that Tomoyo is the Student Council President. Plus the fact that she used to be a trouble maker back then is proof of why she always warned Sunohara that she was just kicking his butt "out of self defense" and always asks that Tomoya be her witness to this fact.
But this brings back to the question about the wheelchair that Tomoyo may be pushing during the OP...who could that be?
Maybe she too had past family problems and the only way to get out of that haunting thought of family problems was to become a trouble maker and basically beat the crap out of other troublemakers like biker gangs and such.

I don't think Tomoyo's the student council president yet, rather she's planning to become the student council president.


Tomoyo said that she wouldn't have time (for the theatre club) because elections were approaching, and that she'd become busy. Which implies that she's going to run in the elections.


Do you think that Tomoyo was pushing someone? or was it that someone was pushing Tomoyo?
(Say, if Tomoyo got in an accident? Or maybe a certain accident caused her to change her ways?)


In either case, the other party is bound to be someone of importance.

Also of significance is the sakura trees, which was the dominant background for Tomoyo's OP section.


***

Ok so Fuuko is the little sister of that woman who Ozaki saw in the shop and thought was beautiful and she is going to get married to the repairman guy/famous MC guy. What's the problem though? Even is she really wants her sister to be happy. She probably will be since she is marrying someone she loves, right? There must be more, but I can't see what. :|

There's usually the 'is it right for me to be happy?' issue...


***

Regarding the Fuko = ghost theory, did anyone catch whether there was a mention of when Fuko's accident happened?

All I got was that Nagisa stated that Ibuki-sensei's sister got in an accident, and has been in the hospital since...

But if that's the case, then Fuko shouldn't have known that her sister was going to get married...

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

I don't think Tomoyo's the student council president yet, rather she's planning to become the student council president.


Tomoyo said that she wouldn't have time (for the theatre club) because elections were approaching, and that she'd become busy. Which implies that she's going to run in the elections.


Do you think that Tomoyo was pushing someone? or was it that someone was pushing Tomoyo?
(Say, if Tomoyo got in an accident? Or maybe a certain accident caused her to change her ways?)


In either case, the other party is bound to be someone of importance.

Also of significance is the sakura trees, which was the dominant background for Tomoyo's OP section.

oh, so Tomoyo is on the verge of becoming a Student Council President member.
I don't think that Tomoyo could have gotten into an accident...unless it was on purpose and thus making her train herself to gain the knowledge of kicking like lightning and beating the crap out of trouble makers to get her revenge.
But I think that Tomoyo might have had some kind of family trouble in the past...maybe she too lost someone in her family also?
and like I said, losing someone in her family may have caused her to become a well-known trouble maker around town before she transferred schools and tried erasing her record of being a trouble maker by starting out on a new path in her life...and thats to become student council president and being as friendly as possible without having the thought of harming her fellow students.

[Klashikari]

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/th_CLANNADep05002.jpg (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/CLANNADep05002.jpg)
1) Fuko

There isn't much to talk about Fuko, as episode 5 actually gives more confirmation about the fact she is a ghost/project/whatever-spiritual-you-like.

Facts:
Ibuki Fuko (real one) is "sleeping" in the hospital, ever since she was hit by a car after the entrance ceremony. What we can tell is that she is probably in a comatose state.
Ibuki-sensei is often visiting and talking to her sister. Since she told her fiancé's name only to Fuko, chances the one at school is the "real one" as well are high.
Fuko (projection) feels like she won't be able to be seen or heard by her sister. moreover, she knows something she isn't supposed to be.
Fuko has a very obsessive liking for Starfish :heh:Fuko obviously heard her sister when she was in coma. Her will and wish bypassed her state, creating the ability to interact with the "real world" while her real body is unable to.
However, she seems to aknowledge this fact, or rather, she is somewhat "unconsciously aware" of this predicament.

It is unclear how large "Fuko's range of actions" is, but it is surely wide, as no one would ever suspect her until Tomoya and Nagisa noticed the inconsistencies and hints with Ibuki-sensei.


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/th_CLANNADep05077.jpg (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/CLANNADep05077.jpg)
2) Unknown white spheric object.

This element was rather "rampant" in this episode as it was seen several times. However, it was shown with both Ibuki-sensei and Fuko.
Considering both wishes (One who doesn't want to be the only one happy, and one who whishes other's happiness), I believe they are linked, and so, it is the SAME object.

Ibuki-sensei wasn't sure of her own happiness, and spoke about her sister while gazing at the sky. At this very moment, the object appeared, and floated around.

Right after Tomoya, Nagisa, Youhei, Kyou, Ryou and Sanae "granted" Fuko's wish, as she wanted to attended classes, I believe it is clear the object is kinda related to wishes.
That's why I think that rather than pollen, it is made of light (connotation of Hope, and such) as it doesn't seem to be "from the world", as it is singular (while pollen and such would be quite as blocks etc). Does it have a link with the other world? Hard to tell.


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/th_CLANNADep05067.jpg (http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc65/kl4shik4ri3/CLANNADep05067.jpg)
3) Furukawa Sanae, Teacher?

Something bothered me: Sanae is the owner of the Furukawa Bakery, with her husband Akio. However, she is clearly not good with the said bread, and even Akio comments it.
Considering what Tomoya said... what if Sanae was a teacher before? or what about she wanted to be a teacher?
That's only a wild guess, but she wasn't clusmy at all, and she was even able to do a math problem with Fuko, without any clear evidence of book or else (as the classroom was empty and none of them had their bags etc).

[2H-Dragon]

I'm betting on she was a teacher since that will provide more drama. Clannad needs to be 39 eps. >.<

[Thentus]

Has anyone ever noticed a link in the opening?

Nagisa, who has fallen on the ground (due to health problems I would assume :confused:), and than in Kyou's scene in the snow. Could that at all have any relevance to each other?

[iamandragon]

I'm betting on she was a teacher since that will provide more drama. Clannad needs to be 39 eps. >.<

I don't mind a longer season but why...why the number 39?

[lotus7]

Ibuki-sensei wasn't sure of her own happiness, and spoke about her sister while gazing at the sky. At this very moment, the object appeared, and floated around.

Right after Tomoya, Nagisa, Youhei, Kyou, Ryou and Sanae "granted" Fuko's wish, as she wanted to attended classes, I believe it is clear the object is kinda related to wishes.


oooh, i like that idea about those little balls of light being representative of wishes. that sounds like it's pretty on the money. though, i'd say there's more to it than that, but i'd have no idea what it'd be.

I don't mind a longer season but why...why the number 39?

i'm guessing, because it's 15 more than 24?

[Skane]

I don't mind a longer season but why...why the number 39?
39 is a 3-cour length.

13 * 3

Cheers.

[Lilith]

After watching episode 5
Yay I was right about Fuko and her sister! But I didn't know they'll turn out ot be sisters.

About the white flying thing:
As Skane mentioned: What bothers is why did it flew near the old man who even lift his head?

About Sanae-san:
Hmm... yeah maybe she was a teacher before. Which might explain her friendship with Fuko's sister. Anyone else felt Sanae-san's long smile to Fuko is "fishy"? :heh:

[Siva]

@Klashikari: you have brought out a good idea about Unknown white spheric object and if you look back at where Nagisa said at the beginning "If you wish, would you like me to take you? To the place in this city where wishes come true." it is possible make sense.

[Lilith]

Yes wishes! It's a pollen from "garden of wishes"! Garden: in the opening all girls share scene in a garden.

Speculating... speculating... :heh:

[flou]

I'm impressed with some of the predictions here ;) I won't spoil anyone on what's right though....

[FatPianoBoy]

I'm impressed with some of the predictions here ;) I won't spoil anyone on what's right though....
Indeed. People sure are perceptive. I'm surprised anyone noticed the ball of light before episode 5 :heh:

[Siva]

I'm impressed with some of the predictions here ;) I won't spoil anyone on what's right though....

Indeed. People sure are perceptive. I'm surprised anyone noticed the ball of light before episode 5 :heh:
So we did get into the right direction? :heh:

[FatPianoBoy]

So we did get into the right direction? :heh:
Some people are on the right track, though I'm not saying whom.

And I said nothing about the lights - only that I was surprised people noticed them ;)

[lotus7]

really? i would have thought they were kind of obvious *shrugs*

[Lilith]

After watching Ep 07
I know almost all of Fuko's facts are already revealed, but...

I wonder if that old man has any significance? And what's up with those orange/yellow flowers, represent Fuko?

*ponders...*

[iamandragon]

Every one in CLANNAD are close inter-linked. This old man will is Koumura sensei, and he'll play a great part later, with regards of [censored]

[Divini]

Somethings been bothering me ever since episode 10 aired...

Namely, the little balls of light at the bottom of the episode title screens. One suddenly appeared starting at episode 7, though I just kind of brushed it off. I don't have a screenshot, but episode 10 had 2 balls of light over just one in episode 9 I believe, which appears after the end of Fuuko's arc.

If you look at the first segment of episode 10 in the "other world", you can see that the field the girl and robot were standing in were full of balls of light, and even the scene started with a single floating ball of light.

Because of that, I think the balls of light in the episode titles are definitely connected to that "other world" somehow. I'm also starting to think the whole scene (the grass, tree, and all) is the other world.

Back to the episode titles, the major event I recall from episode 6 was Fuuko and Kouko finally meeting (with Kouko unable to see her). Also it was the episode when people were finally starting to accept the starfish from Fuuko, the crowning achievement being Mitsui. Episode 9 of course, needs no explanation.

Of those two events in episode 6, the one that's the most similar to the end of ep9 would be the latter. For both cases, it's like Fuuko's wish was fulfilled. Maybe that's the trigger for a ball of light to appear?

Well, even if that's the case, I still don't see the connection between wishes -> light ball <-> other world. Though this is probably because I have no clue of the what/who/when/why of that world. :confused:

Heck, I don't even know if it's an "other world" at all. :dots:

[panzerfan]

Having seen Episode 11 of CLANNAD, something begins to occupy my thoughts.

I am a virgin to the plot of CLANNAD... yet this story has just made me realize things on more than one level involving more than just Kotomi, but that of Tomoya.

With the clue from Kotomi's monologue, I stopped with these passages...
"Oh, yes. This is my favorite space-time coordinate. I stand here for hours sometimes and look and look and look. Day before yesterday I saw a rabbit, and yesterday a deer, and today, you."


"They're a boon to people who like to stand on pleasant leas."


I am now to believe that Tomoya might be at the 'favorite space-time coordinate' and that this coordinate would be the faint memory of that 'other world' for that robot... although as for Kotomi, I don't know if her relative frame of reference is the 'future' just from this excerpt. However, Kotomi seems to exhibit a pronounced fear in her eyes, and less so for Tomoya...
yet the line from how that Tomoya suffers from Schizophrenia in the dream sequence starts to make me think otherwise... somewhere subconsciously, Tomoya has foreknowledge perhaps, over something that will unravel in the course if the storyline.
somehow it seems to have unveiled a mystery that, in some part, is related to that of Fuko's vanishing... which as I remembered, has to do with how Gaia (the town) is resetting memories of people that have stumbled on the truth regarding Fuko's astral projection.

[ReizoSan]

Having seen Episode 11 of CLANNAD, something begins to occupy my thoughts.

I am a virgin to the plot of CLANNAD... yet this story has just made me realize things on more than one level involving more than just Kotomi, but that of Tomoya.

With the clue from Kotomi's monologue, I stopped with these passages...



I am now to believe that Tomoya might be at the 'favorite space-time coordinate' and that this coordinate would be the faint memory of that 'other world' for that robot... although as for Kotomi, I don't know if her relative frame of reference is the 'future' just from this excerpt. However, Kotomi seems to exhibit a pronounced fear in her eyes, and less so for Tomoya...
yet the line from how that Tomoya suffers from Schizophrenia in the dream sequence starts to make me think otherwise... somewhere subconsciously, Tomoya has foreknowledge perhaps, over something that will unravel in the course if the storyline.
somehow it seems to have unveiled a mystery that, in some part, is related to that of Fuko's vanishing... which as I remembered, has to do with how Gaia (the town) is resetting memories of people that have stumbled on the truth regarding Fuko's astral projection.


To be honest this sound to far fetched but then again it is from the same creators as Kanon and Air which had an essence of surrealism, so this could be plausible.

[bladeofdarkness]

about that dream scene
am i the only one who thinks that there was something in what kyo said
she said that the gas from bakeing bread is harmful to humans
and nagisa (who is always sick) lives in a bakery
could there be something in it

[Rhyel]

Same Lights?

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/575/lights1an4.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3075/lights2zg1.jpg

[Lilith]

*shoos the dust outta the deserted thread* :heh:

After watching Ep 14
Yes, Rhyel! Which emphasis more that Kotomi's parents' study is strongly related to the "Hidden World".

I think the same lights were used in the end of first episode when Nagisa was talking about wishes.

[flou]

A few people, once again, are in the right direction. I won't say which ones of you though :P

[Benny1]

Huh. Has anybody mentioned Kyou's constant telling of Ryou that "it's her chance", and mentions competetition? But... the scene where Kyou talks to Tomoya about completely loving somebody... I can't tell what's going on at all. Kyou seems to look out for her sister a lot... But... Ryou doesn't seem to love Tomoya with all of her heart, she's too shy and not into the Kyou thing, so I can't really tell.

[Rookie103]

What's up with the girl and the robot?

My theory is that it represents Fuko and her sister, as they cannnot talk to each other either and they can be in the same place.

[kininku buster]

I thought this would be more focused on Tomoya since he has issues and Nagisa since she wants to do her theater club but I guess these stories will put on the back burner for the other characters stories I guess.

[Rookie103]

If their plan is to make us think, it's working :D

[Hypertaost]

Same Lights?

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/575/lights1an4.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/3075/lights2zg1.jpg
Not really, the lights surrounding Kotomi is special effects more than anything. but hey, you don't have to take my word for it.
the lights at the beginning of each episode, well, that's a different story entirely, and I'm surprised that they showed so much light, It might confuse too many people (people who play that part in the game knows what I mean right?)
What's up with the girl and the robot?
My theory is that it represents Fuko and her sister, as they cannnot talk to each other either and they can be in the same place.
Probably not... if that was true, then that means her sister got turned into a robot...
And I have to agree with flou, quite a few of you are in the right direction...

[Kristen]

[/SPOILER]
Not really, the lights surrounding Kotomi is special effects more than anything. but hey, you don't have to take my word for it.
the lights at the beginning of each episode, well, that's a different story entirely, and I'm surprised that they showed so much light, It might confuse too many people (people who play that part in the game knows what I mean right?)

Probably not... if that was true, then that means her sister got turned into a robot...

Her sister would have not only turned into a robot, she would have become a male...

My theory is still that it is Tomoya and Nagisa. That one picture of Nagisa lying face down in the snow in the OP makes me believe that.

[Hypertaost]

Ehh?!? Nagisa was the one who was lying in the op? The girl was so small it could have been her daughter.

[Kristen]

Ehh?!? Nagisa was the one who was lying in the op? The girl was so small it could have been her daughter.

No, not that. I mean, little boy/girl runs, then the title screen shows. Then after that it shows Nagisa with her name. One of the backgrounds in that shows her lying in the snow.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7823/nagisahh0.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nagisahh0.jpg)

[Rookie103]

No, not that. I mean, little boy/girl runs, then the title screen shows. Then after that it shows Nagisa with her name. One of the backgrounds in that shows her lying in the snow.

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7823/nagisahh0.th.jpg (http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nagisahh0.jpg)

Hmm, that doesn't actually look like her, to small.

[Kristen]

Hmm, that doesn't actually look like her, to small.

Yeah. I don't think there will be anything about Nagisa's past in all of Clannad. I don't think that can be her present self, unless it's going to snow in May. That's why I think there can only be a third Nagisa, which could only be that girl in that strange world.

[Lilith]

If she has those "antenna" (:heh:) on her head, then she's definitenly Nagisa. I believe that the same girl was also shown in the openning in the green field.

[Kristen]

If she has those "antenna" (:heh:) on her head, then she's definitenly Nagisa. I believe that the same girl was also shown in the openning in the green field.

Hm... I don't see any antennae.

There are still like 3 or 4 mysterious girls in this anime. Girl in field, girl hidden in trees, and the girl in the mysterious world. I wonder when they'll reveal who they are...

Also, another speculation. Just like how in Kanon, every girl loved some kind of food, it seems like every girl here loves some kind of animal. Fuuko loved Starfish, Kotomi loved bears, and Nagisa loves Dango Daikazoku (Surprisingly they fit the definition of an animal...). So, will Tomoyo and Kyou both love some kind of animal?

[Rookie103]

This is all very confusing :heh: And I really do want to see some of Nagisa's past and everyone elses, too.

[Kristen]

This is all very confusing :heh: And I really do want to see some of Nagisa's past and everyone elses, too.

Heh. Seeing a chibi Kyou would be a little strange, to say the least.

Child Kyou: "Tomoya!"
Child Tomoya: "What?"
Child Kyou: "Why are you picking on my sister!" *Kiddy fight*

It's just funny to think of. :p

[Rookie103]

Heh. Seeing a chibi Kyou would be a little strange, to say the least.

Child Kyou: "Tomoya!"
Child Tomoya: "What?"
Child Kyou: "Why are you picking on my sister!" *Kiddy fight*

It's just funny to think of. :p

Hehe. I think they may do an arc for both of them.

[CrowKenobi]

Hm... I don't see any antennae.

There are still like 3 or 4 mysterious girls in this anime. Girl in field, girl hidden in trees, and the girl in the mysterious world. I wonder when they'll reveal who they are...

Also, another speculation. Just like how in Kanon, every girl loved some kind of food, it seems like every girl here loves some kind of animal. Fuuko loved Starfish, Kotomi loved bears, and Nagisa loves Dango Daikazoku (Surprisingly they fit the definition of an animal...). So, will Tomoyo and Kyou both love some kind of animal?I would think that since Kyou owns a baby boar, I think that is the kind of anime she likes. :heh:

:cool:

[Kristen]

I guess this is the last time I can post in this thread, since it is like the only thing from the game I don't know.

Something tells me that based on Sanae's and Akio's young age, Nagisa's feeling that she hurt her parents somehow, and the revelation that Sanae had to quit being a teacher but became a tutor, it makes me think that Nagisa may have been the result of a teenage pregnancy.

[Skyfall]

Thats not a bad theory ... if we ignore the fact it assumes Sanae was a teacher while in her teens :p

[MissInformed]

Thanks Klashikari for directing me to this thread. I swear I know how to use the search function. It just never occurred to me that a thread as useful as this one would be on page 4 of 4. I'm guessing it will become more useful in the coming weeks though. Sorry if this isn't kosher, but I'm bumping this so more people will know it's here....

[Ithekro]

I think it is fine...this thread has been out of use for far, far too long.

[TooPurePureBoy]

So how are things going to be post-Nagisa for Tomoya and Ushio?

I'm gonna guess that Ushio lives with Akio and Sanae and Tomoya is a total wreck who just going to work and then comes home and passes out drunk or stares at the wall like a zombie. Not sure how long it will last though, something has to save Tomoya from becoming a complete redux of his old-man.

[Ithekro]

I keep hearing that "Ushio is swesome"...but still don't know why.

Any theories?

[Ottocycle]

I keep hearing that "Ushio is swesome"...but still don't know why.

Any theories?
With the number of episodes left, there's definitely enough time for her to wake her father up from his monochrome world. Being able to do something like that for a loved one automatically equates to being awesome, however she does it.

[Doppel]

I don't know where else to post this question, but uh... take a look at this picture, the background is from a scene in the AS Opening, the foreground is a scene from season 1...

Is that Fuko hugging Ushio? Same hair color, same hair length, same blue bow...


http://g.imagehost.org/0601/Fuko.jpg

[Ottocycle]

I don't know where else to post this question, but uh... take a look at this picture, the background is from a scene in the AS Opening, the foreground is a scene from season 1...

Is that Fuko hugging Ushio? Same hair color, same hair length, same blue bow...


http://g.imagehost.org/0601/Fuko.jpg

I'd give a 99% chance of that. The OP wouldn't give half a second of footage to nameless characters interacting, that's for sure.

[Ithekro]

Fu-chan. Not so lost and gone forever as everyone would seem to think.

[Ottocycle]

Would Ushio replace starfish as the catalyst that prompts Fuuko into her alternate state? I'd love to see Ushio-bubbles materialise.

Given that Nagisa has that ability, I won't be surprised.

[Justin Kim]

Whoah wait! Is that picture towards the end of episode 17? I don't even account remembering that scene since I was so bent on interpreting the major aspects of each episode.

[Ithekro]

No its a picture from the opening credits...its been there the entire season.

[Doppel]

Yeah the OP scene's been there for the entire season, I wasn't sure who the little baby girl being hugged was at the start of the season, so consequently I didn't bother thinking if the blue-bowed girl was anyone we already knew.

At any rate, I'm excited to see Fuko again, hopefully soon.

[Yumii-chan]

Did anyone except from me think that the last scene in ep 17 was similar to the
one in the first season?
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/LillaMysen/namnls-8.jpg
When Tomoya talked about "walking a long road together"

[MeoTwister5]

Did anyone except from me think that the last scene in ep 17 was similar to the
one in the first season?
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/LillaMysen/namnls-8.jpg
When Tomoya talked about "walking a long road together"

Oooh nice contrast. I didn't notice that myself.

[Ithekro]

Seems a little too simple. It you are going to do something like that you need to make it necessary to the plotline, not just "Hurrah, she's back".

However, I don't believe KyoAni will let us down. Too much buildup to give us anything less than their hinted storylines as seen in the OP in both seasons.

[Marina2]

I don't know where else to post this question, but uh... take a look at this picture, the background is from a scene in the AS Opening, the foreground is a scene from season 1...

Is that Fuko hugging Ushio? Same hair color, same hair length, same blue bow...


http://g.imagehost.org/0601/Fuko.jpg


Yes, that her.

CLANNAD OP always give something interesting about Fuuko. There are something like this in first season OP too.


One of two girl who appear in the forest scene before the Girl running in Flower field scene is Fuko.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8020/clannad94zp4.th.jpg (http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad94zp4.jpg)


http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7937/clannad95wc6.th.jpg (http://img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad95wc6.jpg)

[Doppel]

! and don't forget her numerous "appearances" as the Starfish Saviour (or whatever she called herself, I forget :P) after her arc. Unlike poor Makoto that got close to no screen time afterwards :(

[Ottocycle]

He has a choice of remarrying.If he marries Kyou, Ryou would be jealous. He has to do something that would make both twins happy *hint hint*.:p
Indeed, that is not to do anything and bring Ushio up alone.
...
This thread is for first time viewers. Stop spoiling dammit.

[Dextro]

...

Come on, that was some major spoiler for series-only followers :?

[Divini]

After watching the events of episode 21...

I predict that either the final episode, the conclusion of this long story, will be in one of the emotional extremes:

1. A really sad, depressing ending

2. An extremely happy ending

With the events unfolding as they have, I don't see any possibility for a (good) middle ground.

[dinora12]

I have to agree with Divini.
but I think that this way it'll be the most enjoyable way to watch and end this series.
If the end will be somthing in middle it'll be just a regular end, which doesn't fit Key. :P
I believe that they won't let us down.