Clannad - Spoilers & Speculation (for experienced Clannad gamers only)

[NightWish]

This thread is for the experienced Clannad viewer (i.e. those of you who are familiar with potentially all the game storyline), its purpose is to allow free discussion of theories and speculation over the Clannad anime series, it therefore will contain unmarked spoilers. If you are a game virgin of Clannad, then do not read this thread unless you want to be spoiled (use the Speculation & Theories for first time viewers thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=55256)).

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[Sushi-Y]

I don't care what they do, as long as they keep these lines from Sunohara:
- キミに惚れました。僕と夜明けのモーニングコーヒー飲んでくださいっ
- くぅぅ、僕も注入されてぇーーっ！
- 智代、おまえのおっぱい貸してくれ！
- 僕、相楽ミサイルですって挨拶して回ってたんだ
- 岡崎アパッチ！それに智代最終兵器！
- あの．．．僕、味方なんですけど．．．
- あ、美佐枝さん、服、着たままなの？おっぱい出して、楽にしてよ
- そう．．．最強の女が縫い直した服．．．それは最強の服．．．最強に着心地がいいぜぇ．．．
- そう．．．最強の女が作った弁当．．．それは最強の弁当．．．最強にうまいはずだぜぇ．．．
- それと便座カバー
Add your own Sunohara lines. ^^;

[velocity7]

Heh...

I'm just damn worried about Tomoyo and Kyou's routes... :(

[iamandragon]

From the OP, we're going to see the after story section, so it's a no-no for Tomoyo and Kyou route, unfortunately...

I don't care what they do, as long as they keep these lines from Sunohara:
- キミに惚れました。僕と夜明けのモーニングコーヒー飲んでくださいっ
- くぅぅ、僕も注入されてぇーーっ！
- 智代、おまえのおっぱい貸してくれ！
- 僕、相楽ミサイルですって挨拶して回ってたんだ
- 岡崎アパッチ！それに智代最終兵器！
- あの．．．僕、味方なんですけど．．．
- あ、美佐枝さん、服、着たままなの？おっぱい出して、楽にしてよ
- そう．．．最強の女が縫い直した服．．．それは最強の服．．．最強に着心地がいいぜぇ．．．
- そう．．．最強の女が作った弁当．．．それは最強の弁当．．．最強にうまいはずだぜぇ．．．
- それと便座カバー
Add your own Sunohara lines. ^^;

Since they all appeared in the Nagisa route, they will come up. (no one beats Sunohara in terms of funniness)

[luckyovermind]

Who knows, maybe kyoani will do another series on tomoyo after and put the tomoyo senario material there?:heh:

But we are still going to see a lot of fun things in this series from tomoyo though, Tomoyo + Sunohara = win :D

[rave_master16]

i wonder how will they handle all arcs especially the after arcs??? I mean 24 episodes for over 7 arcs??
But i hope they won't rush it because the 1st episode in my opinion is a bit fast-paced??

[Level E]

I personally hope they put in Yukine's storyline and Mai's 妹萌え殺し also the Laser Tag (hoping for the baseball episode is probably too wishful, although I do like how Tomoya beats Kyo and Tomoyo ^o^ ).

Add your own Sunohara lines. ^^;

Yea, that Sunohara was something. ^^;;;;;

・・・足元を見ると和英辞典が転がっていた。ついでに鼻血を出している春原も転がっている。・・・『ついで 』ってなんだよっ！・・・人の心を読むなよ

「斬る」「魔法」「盗む」
・・・って、なんで、仲間に入れる選択肢がないんすかっ！

Then there's all the omajinai with Yukine, and the 64hit combo ^^;



Judging KyoAni's past, they'll have them all:

Ryo
・・・一ノ瀬さん・・・明日は友達ができません。 ・・・俺の努力を真っ向から全否定するような予言をつきつけるなああっ!!

Kyo
・・・ツッコミだけの世界より恐ろしい世界・・・オチのない世界。 (vs ボケ専少女隊)

Kotomi

おとといは兎を見たの。きのうは鹿、今日はあなた・・・
読まないでほしいの。ただ、持っててくれるだけで、いいの
お父さん、お母さん・・・おかえりなさいっ　｡ﾟ(ﾟ´Д｀ﾟ)ﾟ｡




That aside, I wonder who will be the 3rd member for the 3-on-3?
I'm personally hoping for Kyo.

[iamandragon]

That aside, I wonder who will be the 3rd member for the 3-on-3?
I'm personally hoping for Kyo.

Definitely Kyou. Look at the OP, she's even changed into he PE suit. (though remaining in school uniform will actually add more shock.

[velocity7]

With School Foundation Day so close by now, there is no way Nagisa will get a chance to perform her drama; at least, not in this universe. My bets are damn high that this is likely to cause a time reset in the next couple of episodes...

[iamandragon]

With School Foundation Day so close by now, there is no way Nagisa will get a chance to perform her drama; at least, not in this universe. My bets are damn high that this is likely to cause a time reset in the next couple of episodes...

That's like, the biggest spoiler if they do that even before half way of the show. I'm sure KA will find another way around for Nagisa's drama club...

[Dusk]

Anyone noticed that in episode 2 they set the date for the open house to be after the founder's day celebration? Specifically, the 15th of may. On the other hand, in the game it was before the founder's day, 1st of may I think. What i want to point out is originally on that day a few important things actually happened.

1) Nagisa's performance
2) Tomoyo's 64 hit combo
3) Misae fulfilling the promise with the cat
4) Fuko meeting her sister

Since they are at Fuko's arc right now, that means aside from number 4, the other 3 might be a miss. Heck, Tomoyo already went over 64 hits now. And Nagisa can't continue with establishing her drama club if Fuko's arc isn't over. On the other hand, the 2 choir gals have already started their club with the teacher.

[krln99]

Judging by the OP, do you think KyoAni will pull a "Lucky Star" and

use the OP (or part of it) as the series ending? I think they will. I think the series will end with the girl running in the field of flowers. I had a feeling in L*S that the OP wasn't just a "fan service" intro as many panned it initially and that it had some significance in the entire series. Seeing how the girl running in the field is pretty significant in the game I'm almost certain this is the last scene in the series.

[Zilch]

Well...We have seen Tomoya's teacher in the episode 5.Now,I really want to know when Ryou's boyfriend will appear.

[eMpTy265]

Well...We have seen Tomoya's teacher in the episode 5.Now,I really want to know when Ryou's boyfriend will appear.

Personally, I'd rather have him never appear in the anime. There's no need to have him in the anime, seeing how there's already too much game material to cover in 24 eps...

(unless Kyoani decides to pull that story element that the game didn't include... )



i.e. have him killed after befriending Tomoya and getting together with Ryou

But then it's likely that Ryou will rebound to Tomoya... disturbing the TomoyaXNagisa dynamic...




Come to think of it.... it's pretty likely that Kyoani will go through with Kyou's route in the story, but how will they bring it around so that we'll head to Nagisa's after route??

[velocity7]

To be honest, I don't see Kyou's route working with Nagisa's at all whatsoever. At least, as it is from the game. :(

Same for Tomoyo's, too, particularly because...
Note that in the OP, Tomoyo looks up at the sakura trees, which is a major indicator for her route. As of episode 6, 14:10, the sakura trees have already stopped shedding their petals. If this is indicative of anything, I sense a time warp coming soon...

[Kinny Riddle]

I just realized Kyo-Ani has slightly modified Ryou's nurse uniform seen in Kappei's ending into the maid costume we now see.

To be honest, I don't see Kyou's route working with Nagisa's at all whatsoever. At least, as it is from the game. :(

Same for Tomoyo's, too, particularly because...
Note that in the OP, Tomoyo looks up at the sakura trees, which is a major indicator for her route. As of episode 6, 14:10, the sakura trees have already stopped shedding their petals. If this is indicative of anything, I sense a time warp coming soon...

The dialogue in episode 6 seems to explicitly mention another separate "School Festival" from the usual "Founder's Day", so that they don't have to cram everyone's crucial scenes in that crucial day. So it seems they're going for the single timeline.

Besides, having Tomoyo stare at the cherry blossom trees without the petals wouldn't be that much of a problem. Maybe they can modify the conversation to have Tomoyo say "A month ago, the trees here were still blossoming. How I wish it could be like this next year..." And problem solved.

[dgreater1]

I just realized Kyo-Ani has slightly modified Ryou's nurse uniform seen in Kappei's ending into the maid costume we now see.



The dialogue in episode 6 seems to explicitly mention another separate "School Festival" from the usual "Founder's Day", so that they don't have to cram everyone's crucial scenes in that crucial day. So it seems they're going for the single timeline.

Besides, having Tomoyo stare at the cherry blossom trees without the petals wouldn't be that much of a problem. Maybe they can modify the conversation to have Tomoyo say "A month ago, the trees here were still blossoming. How I wish it could be like this next year..." And problem solved.

Not entirely sure with that though, they are celebrating Foundation Day on eps. 6, Golden Week has passed away as well, what kind of a festival do you think would happen that will let Nagisa stand on the stage? More than that, if I remember correctly, the voting for Student Council presidency happened before Foundation Day which is supposed to be Tomoyo's route, well they could move the voting date but I'm not really sure of that as well. Perhaps we'll get an alternate story telling?

[Kinny Riddle]

Not entirely sure with that though, they are celebrating Foundation Day on eps. 6, Golden Week has passed away as well, what kind of a festival do you think would happen that will let Nagisa stand on the stage? More than that, if I remember correctly, the voting for Student Council presidency happened before Foundation Day which is supposed to be Tomoyo's route, well they could move the voting date but I'm not really sure of that as well. Perhaps we'll get an alternate story telling?

That's what I mean. Instead of putting everyone's crucial scene in Founders Day, Kyo Ani decides to "screw that, we'll make our own timeline".

Just look at Kanon. Mai's birthday is January 29th, Shiori's is on February 2nd, just 4 days apart. Yet in Kanon 2006, it took longer than that for Yuuichi to go from celebrating Mai's birthday before coming to Shiori's birthday.

[BOZZY]

I am surprised no mentioned this... but here I go...

Doesn't the OP give away a huge spoiler as to who Tomoyo will end up with? I mean watching the series, it seems obvious he will hook up with Nagisa, but isn't the little girl that is running in the fields in the OP, Nagisa and Tomoya's daughter Ushio?

[iamandragon]

I am surprised no mentioned this... but here I go...

Doesn't the OP give away a huge spoiler as to who Tomoyo will end up with? I mean watching the series, it seems obvious he will hook up with Nagisa, but isn't the little girl that is running in the fields in the OP, Nagisa and Tomoya's daughter Ushio?

Probably not. I havn't played the game and I don't notice anything in the OP.

[velocity7]

The OP is vague as it is, so it really isn't a spoiler, to be honest.

Hell, for all you know, it could have been Tomoyo's younger half-sister as well. And that's Tomoyo After material. ;)

[Zilch]

I am surprised no mentioned this... but here I go...

Doesn't the OP give away a huge spoiler as to who Tomoyo will end up with? I mean watching the series, it seems obvious he will hook up with Nagisa, but isn't the little girl that is running in the fields in the OP, Nagisa and Tomoya's daughter Ushio?

However, Nagisa is the lead character, of course Tomoyo will end up with her. :heh:
Also, working with Nagisa's route will make it easier to show Sunohara's and Fuko's stories.

[Seair]

there is no doubt (100% sure) that Tomoya will be with Nagisa; otherwise, there will be no AS, no Ushio, no true ending.

(dont tell me that the girl running in the field in OP is TOMO and that shows Tomoya will end up with Tomoyo and the AS will become Tomoyo After...well, i admit there is a possiblity...)

however, it seems that the anime structure of Clannad will be more like Kanon, which means the KyoAni will go through each route(most routes) of main characters one by one, and then eventually go with Nagisa. the question is how they can solve the "loving story" conflict problem between other routes and Nagisa's main route. in game, routes are parallel, and it makes sense that Tomoya with be with a girl in one route, and be with another girl in another route. they are parallel universes and have no conflict. but now in anime, it seems all the events will happen in one timeline. now let's say in anime before the second festival (we agree that is when Nagisa will play her opera instead of the "finishing" first festival in ep.6) Tomoya should finish up with Fuko, Tomoyo, Kyou, Kotomi and maybe Yukine. then i think what is gonna happen is Tomoya will go into everyone's route but eventually end up as friends because of Nagisa as what Kanon did;

help Fuko until the one and only "touching" wedding with 1000 starfishes...(i am gonna cry hard for that ep...)
end with the wedding, Fuko will be staying in the bed and waiting for the AS to do something with Ushio. :)

help Tomoyo become the president and get to know about the Sakagami's accident.
end with the "tears with sakura"

now the hard part is how to deal with Kyou and Kotomi...

i think Tomoya will get to know the "feeling" that Kyou has with him. but he will "have" to say sorry to her because "Nagisa is one and only"...and those two are mean to be the best firends.

for Kotomi, i really hope that the anime will cover most of her story...it is so touching...
but still, i think those two will end up with the "brother-sister" relationship. the same reason as above...and the same goes with Yukine...

all i hope right now is, KyoAni please do good job on 3on3, on Nagisa's play, on Kotomi's suitcase
, on wedding, on "sakura", and on AS. (if they cut AS, this anime isnt mean to be called Clannad.)

[dgreater1]

As we can see, the other world exist, that other world is a like library of story of the town, the sphere of lights acts like a book that contains the story of each individual living in that town. As far as I remember, Tomoya is also a light, and Ushio as well (she decided to become the representative of the other world though). Ushio from CLANNAD After Story (also known as Nagisa's After Story) belongs there and her story have different endings, not just 1 or two but could be anything. Anyway, each time Tomoya lives out his life, he goes back to this library (the other world) to meet Ushio (the representative of the other world), he would constantly go back to the human world as well, back to that faithful day where everything started (or we could say, everything from his childhood to high school life would be the same except after meeting the girls, Higurashi everyone?). So in short, he could end up with Tomoyo After, Fuuko After, Kotomi After, Yukine After, Ryou After, Kyou After, Lonely Life After, Who knows After... and even Sunohara Yohei After. The sphere of light he acquires from each individual means the happiness he shares with them. The rain of light at the final sequence of the game is to show that everyone is happy that Ushio was born without any problem (whole family intact). Ushio is the representative of the lights in the other, and every lights was happy because their representative is subconsciously happy. So what I'm trying to say is, they're just constantly reliving (rereading) their life over and over again without them realizing it. It's a story with an endless loop that contains endless possibilities.
What the hell am I talking about? Anyway, the girl running in the field could be Tomoya's daughter to anyone of them... Tomoya's adopted daughter to Sunohara? *went to the toilet to puke* :heh::heh::heh:

[velocity7]

Has anyone noticed? There's a light now in episode 7's title screen:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5687/ep07zx9.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep07zx9.jpg)

Other than that...

I'm concerned for the number of episodes now that are left. Even if each girl took three episodes each in the time left, the room left for After Story would be damn tight. That said, I'm starting to have bets this series is going 3-cour despite only 8 DVDs having been announced...

[Kristen]

Has anyone noticed? There's a light now in episode 7's title screen:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5687/ep07zx9.th.jpg (http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ep07zx9.jpg)

Other than that...

I'm concerned for the number of episodes now that are left. Even if each girl took three episodes each in the time left, the room left for After Story would be damn tight. That said, I'm starting to have bets this series is going 3-cour despite only 8 DVDs having been announced...

I've been thinking of that. I was discussing it with my friend, and he had an out there idea.
Maybe it's going to be a 2 part series, with part 1 running until April, Haruhi until July, and then part 2 until December. After that would be a 1 cours FMP, and then they are back to April for a comedy.
His idea was that each girl is going to get 5 episodes, so as to cover 4 arcs in the first 24 episodes. These would be Fuuko, Tomoyo, Kotomi, and Kyou. The second part would have a short Yukine of maybe 4 or 5 episodes, and then 8-9 episodes of Nagisa. This would then be followed by 13 episodes of afterstory. Same OP and ED, and no mention that it is a second season.

At least, that's what I would do to adapt it, rather than trying to squeeze too much into too little time. It'd also keep sales and anticipation high.

So, 4 cours Clannad? Please?

[Kinny Riddle]

It looks like Kyo-Ani patched up a major loop-hole KEY made concerning Fuuko in the original game:


Kouko-san clearly said Fuuko "stopped breathing" in the game. When a person stops breathing, death usually follows within hours, if not minutes.

So I find it hard to believe that Fuuko lived in her Good End (both versions).

Kyo-Ani patched that up with a more plausible "Fuuko might never wake up anymore", leaving room for her to come back.

Is it even possible to keep a person alive even without him breathing? Like supplying the oxygen via somewhere else besides the mouth and nose I wonder, for I've not heard of it.

[relentlessflame]

I'm concerned for the number of episodes now that are left. Even if each girl took three episodes each in the time left, the room left for After Story would be damn tight. That said, I'm starting to have bets this series is going 3-cour despite only 8 DVDs having been announced...I'd take you on that bet anyday. :p The TV run will definitely be 24 episodes, and it'll definitely cover the story to the end based on the hints they've already dropped. The most I would think you could hope for would be an OVA to cover some extra part they couldn't fit in (kinda sorta like AIR TV), but I wouldn't count on it.

[SnakeLegend]

there is no doubt (100% sure) that Tomoya will be with Nagisa; otherwise, there will be no AS, no Ushio, no true ending.

(dont tell me that the girl running in the field in OP is TOMO and that shows Tomoya will end up with Tomoyo and the AS will become Tomoyo After...well, i admit there is a possiblity...)

however, it seems that the anime structure of Clannad will be more like Kanon, which means the KyoAni will go through each route(most routes) of main characters one by one, and then eventually go with Nagisa. the question is how they can solve the "loving story" conflict problem between other routes and Nagisa's main route. in game, routes are parallel, and it makes sense that Tomoya with be with a girl in one route, and be with another girl in another route. they are parallel universes and have no conflict. but now in anime, it seems all the events will happen in one timeline. now let's say in anime before the second festival (we agree that is when Nagisa will play her opera instead of the "finishing" first festival in ep.6) Tom Whoya should finish up with Fuko, Tomoyo, Kyou, Kotomi and maybe Yukine. then i think what is gonna happen is Tomoya will go into everyone's route but eventually end up as friends because of Nagisa as what Kanon did;

help Fuko until the one and only "touching" wedding with 1000 starfishes...(i am gonna cry hard for that ep...)
end with the wedding, Fuko will be staying in the bed and waiting for the AS to do something with Ushio. :)

help Tomoyo become the president and get to know about the Sakagami's accident.
end with the "tears with sakura"

now the hard part is how to deal with Kyou and Kotomi...

i think Tomoya will get to know the "feeling" that Kyou has with him. but he will "have" to say sorry to her because "Nagisa is one and only"...and those two are mean to be the best firends.

for Kotomi, i really hope that the anime will cover most of her story...it is so touching...
but still, i think those two will end up with the "brother-sister" relationship. the same reason as above...and the same goes with Yukine...

all i hope right now is, KyoAni please do good job on 3on3, on Nagisa's play, on Kotomi's suitcase
, on wedding, on "sakura", and on AS. (if they cut AS, this anime isnt mean to be called Clannad.)


What is that AS person? Btw, I was pretty new to hear about the insider part of CLANNAD's story.

[minhtam1638]

Oh, my God, after learning a Tomoyo After story exists, I am even more confused for this story than ever.

But apart from that, I have a question: what is the significance of these lights? I mean, I heard that when you play the game, a completed route = one light. In the anime, Nagisa has like... what... seven?

[cshard]

I made a quick observation in the current episode thread (although I didn't elaborate on it there)... Currently the story holds at:

Ep 1-2 Tomoya's history + Nagisa's Route + character intro
Ep 3-4 Nagisa's route + character moments + Theater Club
Ep 5-9 Fuuko's route + Nagisa x Tomoya development + partial Yuusuke + Kouko resolution

Now if we continue this way, I suspect that we'll get at least 3-4 episodes per heroine, as well as intertwine the side stories for people like Sunohara, Misae, Kappei, Ryou, etc, etc while the main ones are running. For example, we already have Kouko and Yuusuke's stories running side by side with Fuuko, and Misae's story seems to have been prepped up already. Yukine might be a bit iffy but she's already introduced. And it's likely that Sanae and Akio's stories will be told via Nagisa. Also, the stories for Kotomi, Kyou, and Tomoyo have already been readied during Nagisa's initial arc.

Methinks that by the time the After Story rolls around, Nagisa's School Life story will also be completed by then, leaving about 4-5 episodes for the After Story arc. I don't think they'll be showing us too much of a bad end in this adaptation if that's the case.

The bigger issue churning through my mind is about how Kyou and Tomoyo will get their (reasonably) good endings.

I haven't played Tomoyo's arc yet (nor Fuuko actually) in the game, but from what I know, they could fit her story into Nagisa's arc but they'd likely have to cut lots of the romance out, which would be a shame. However, Tomoyo has a moderate chance of a happy enough ending without it being romantic, as long as Tomoya simply helps her out for her elections. With some potential for a hug (or kiss) in gratitude. :heh:

Kyou's good end looks way too much like Naiyuki's chances in Kanon 2002/2006 right now. No matter what way I look, I sense that she's going to have her heart broken. I do suspect that they may replace Ryou with Nagisa and have Ryou pursue Kappei exclusively. (Although if Ryou does get involved the way the game made her... that's really going to be problematic.

Short of a "Groundhog Day" happening, Nagisa's not likely to be ditched. (and Akio would slaughter Tomoya if he did. :heh: )

[Leo_Otaku]

I think for Tomoyo they will make her obviously like a friend he can't be with. He will help her attain her goal but just as a friend

I as thinking they would do the route but she would still end up withthe short end of the stick. And he would proabably say he likes Nagisa. Maybe she will even cut her hair too at the end. For Ryou I think they can squeeze it in there but them maybe she will see Kappei and forget about Tomoya.

Will they pull a groundhog day for her play and for the combo? Or maybe they will just put a random festival in there?

[velocity7]

If KyoAni has any intention of doing a Tomoyo After anime (covering the entire game itself, including the ending), they will likely have to do a groundhog day. Of course, if they go that far, then might as well do the same for Ryou/Kyou.

Tomoyo After's storyline requires too much from Tomoya for him to be with Nagisa at the same time, so I can't even see it being incorporated into After Story when we finally get there.

And speaking of groundhog days...
A groundhog day must happen when Ushio dies. That was a requirement for the true ending.


I'd take you on that bet anyday. :p The TV run will definitely be 24 episodes, and it'll definitely cover the story to the end based on the hints they've already dropped. The most I would think you could hope for would be an OVA to cover some extra part they couldn't fit in (kinda sorta like AIR TV), but I wouldn't count on it.

Kanon 2006 already had to fit in too much with five girls, plus Sayuri's sidestory for 24 episodes. Now we're asking five girls, plus probably Yukine and Misae's sidestories, as well as an After Story that's just as long as a girl's route, making it a total of 8 routes to cover. You do the math. :)

[Kinny Riddle]

Below is an interesting chart that has all the character ending that you can get.

The red bar indicates that you'll end up with the girl in the ending, the farther away from the middle, the more the story feels like a moe bishoujo game.

The blue bar indicates you won't end up with the girl (or guy in Kappei and Koumura's case). The further away from the middle, the less the story feels like a bishoujo game.

(Sunohara's position is not an error, he is placed on that spot for a very good reason. :D )

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3842/characterendingchartka3.png (http://imageshack.us)



Fuuko is right at the middle, because you can end up with her (true end), or you can befriend her while having Nagisa as your girl (normal end).

Nagisa, Kotomi and Yukine are more towards the middle than Tomoyo and the twins, since their stories do make mention of the light orbs and the "Illusionary World", which is the central theme of the whole story.

[DeotoxSlayer]

wow that's very interesting Kinny. It also seems like the ney route they're gonna do is Kotomi's route because the 10th episode is called "The Girl Genius's Challenge", and the only Genius I can think of in Clannad is Kotomi...though who knows it could be completly unrelated...titles in Clannad can be misleading.

[cshard]

I'm pretty sure Kotomi's will be next (maybe with some Misae added). I suspect Tomoyo's route will come after that, along with Sunohara's sister, and followed by Kyou's route, before we finally culminate with Nagisa's route.

If they plan to give Kyou the short end of the stick, they'll have to keep her for last seeing as her events will push Tomoya into Nagisa's path completely. And like I speculated, Tomoyo's route can be run without too much of the romance (maybe they'll make it a bit like Mai's route), so it's not a good idea imo if her story is second last.

@Kinny: Hmm, something tells me I shouldn't try to think too hard on why Sunohara is in the "red zone". :heh:
~thinks happy thoughts of Tomoyo and Kyou~

@velocity: I know about that little detail, but think of it this way - if it happens, we really will need more than 24/26 episodes, since we'll be replaying certain events twice over. So I suspect we might either get a truncated version, or we'll never see it in the anime.

[minhtam1638]

(Sunohara's position is not an error, he is placed on that spot for a very good reason. :D )

Did I hear that correctly? I want proof!

[Kinny Riddle]

Did I hear that correctly? I want proof!
Proof? Play the game yourself.


There's a Sunohara ending with the apt name "Sunohara Lover End".

Simply meet all the girls, and then dump them at the last crucial "flag", and you'll be able to get this ending.

I'll not spoil your fun discovering this ending yourself. Easily the most shocking ending in Clannad. :heh:

[minhtam1638]

Proof? Play the game yourself.


There's a Sunohara ending with the apt name "Sunohara Lover End".

Simply meet all the girls, and then dump them at the last crucial "flag", and you'll be able to get this ending.

I'll not spoil your fun discovering this ending yourself. Easily the most shocking ending in Clannad. :heh:


But I can't stand yaoi... *gulp*

[Kinny Riddle]

But I can't stand yaoi... *gulp*
If you're worried about "insertion", rest assured there's almost none (though there is mention of exploiting Sunohara's "spot" using an electric socket), Clannad's made for All Ages in the first place anyway. Watch with an open mind and you'll find it's very fun to watch.

[Kang Seung Jae]

On episode 10:

Do you think they've changed the game story a bit?

[relentlessflame]

Kanon 2006 already had to fit in too much with five girls, plus Sayuri's sidestory for 24 episodes. Now we're asking five girls, plus probably Yukine and Misae's sidestories, as well as an After Story that's just as long as a girl's route, making it a total of 8 routes to cover. You do the math. :)So... does this mean the bet is on? :p Whatever they're going to fit into the anime, it'll fit into 24 episodes. Like I said before, it definitely won't be 3-cour; I doubt it'll even get an OVA. As was suggested, some stories may simply be dropped or truncated.

[Kinny Riddle]

On episode 10:

Do you think they've changed the game story a bit?
On every episode they changed the story a bit to accommodate a single story, if you're asking. :D

Anyway, if you're talking about Fuuko's story. Not much, besides Fuuko being made the matchmaker between Tomoya and Nagisa by having them go on first name terms, though only Tomoya was able to break through this barrier, being the maverick that he is. Nagisa would need a little more time.

And then, the ending. In both the good and true end, Fuuko would return to school after "everyone waited" for her. It would have been awkward if Fuuko were to return at once, for that will cheapen the effect of her departure, so her ending was made open-ended, hinting that she may return one day, but not now.

[Sushi-Y]

I don't think they'll do Kyou or Tomoyo's story, not at this pace. Looking at Fuuko's story, it came to me as pretty obvious. If Kyoani wanted to give CLANNAD the same "equal weight for everyone" treatment Kanon got, then there would be no way they could finish the whole thing in 24 episodes. I'm going to agree with a speculation I read somewhere that they'll simply focus on the more significant stories (Fuuko, Kotomi, and Nagisa), while rendering everyone else as supporting roles. They have already extracted a large portion of Tomoyo's route by showing her various encounters with Tomoya and Sunohara, it would be unnatural to go any further into her route if we didn't want to stray too far from Nagisa. It's likely that they'll simply work in critical elements from these supporting characters' routes into the main characters routes, and use that to fulfill the light orb requirements one way or another.

I am almost certain they won't pull a "second season" thing. It's been proven that DVD sales almost always stagger if a series drag on for more than 7 or 8 disks, especially if it's a bishojo game-based anime.

[MaxwellDemon]

I don't think they'll do Kyou or Tomoyo's story, not at this pace. Looking at Fuuko's story, it came to me as pretty obvious. If Kyoani wanted to give CLANNAD the same "equal weight for everyone" treatment Kanon got, then there would be no way they could finish the whole thing in 24 episodes. I'm going to agree with a speculation I read somewhere that they'll simply focus on the more significant stories (Fuuko, Kotomi, and Nagisa), while rendering everyone else as supporting roles. They have already extracted a large portion of Tomoyo's route by showing her various encounters with Tomoya and Sunohara, it would be unnatural to go any further into her route if we didn't want to stray too far from Nagisa. It's likely that they'll simply work in critical elements from these supporting characters' routes into the main characters routes, and use that to fulfill the light orb requirements one way or another.

I am almost certain they won't pull a "second season" thing. It's been proven that DVD sales almost always stagger if a series drag on for more than 7 or 8 disks, especially if it's a bishojo game-based anime.

That would certainly be unfortunate though. Kyou and Tomoyo are easily my favorite characters out of Clannad. :uhoh:

On a side note: As I have said, KyoAni is making it somewhat obvious that Kyou has something for Tomoya already. If KyoAni is planning to forfeit Kyou's route... then how are they going to explain it?

[Sushi-Y]

That would certainly be unfortunate though. Kyou and Tomoyo are easily my favorite characters out of Clannad. :uhoh:

On a side note: As I have said, KyoAni is making it somewhat obvious that Kyou has something for Tomoya already. If KyoAni is planning to forfeit Kyou's route... then how are they going to explain it?
Everything I said are simply speculations, nothing more. Just like how cyan-san from MOON PHASE has heard a rumor that CLANNAD won't be the 2-cours (24 episodes) that everyone believes, but actually 4-cours. It could simply be another one of those speculations about the production serial number gap between the first and normal edition DVDs.

According to cyan-san, the speculation goes that the end of the 2nd cour (the 24th episode) would go as far as Nagisa's death, while the 3rd and 4th cours would be a reset where Tomoya goes after the heroine he missed as a way to collect the remaining light orbs (kind of like what happened with Akio's orb in the game).

Sounds a little farfetched, but it would be a nice solution.

[Leo_Otaku]

I think they will include tomoyo and kyou but since their routes could be summed up in small pieces.

But let's see what happens >.>

[Kinny Riddle]

For some reason, when I saw Tomoyo and Yukine standing next to each other in Kouko-san's wedding, first thing that comes to mind:

Summit of the Delinquent Overlords! :D

[velocity7]

For some reason, when I saw Tomoyo and Yukine standing next to each other in Kouko-san's wedding, first thing that comes to mind:

Summit of the Delinquent Overlords! :D

Quoted for truth! :heh:

According to cyan-san, the speculation goes that the end of the 2nd cour (the 24th episode) would go as far as Nagisa's death, while the 3rd and 4th cours would be a reset where Tomoya goes after the heroine he missed as a way to collect the remaining light orbs (kind of like what happened with Akio's orb in the game).

Sounds a little farfetched, but it would be a nice solution.

I'm taking a heavy bet on this one. CLANNAD was an ambitious project on Key's part, and so it shall for KyoAni as well. Though 4-cours is a drag, I'm more leaning towards 3.

Here are the routes that must be done, no matter what, in order for CLANNAD to be considered "complete":
Fuuko
Kotomi
Nagisa
Cohabitation
Childbirth
Naoyuki <-- Tomoya's father, important
Ushio <-- Nagisa and Tomoya's daughter, also important, will lead to time reset no matter what

16 episodes left, and ignoring Fuuko now, we only have 6 routes, leaving only 2-3 episodes per part.


I'm going to bet the following will happen, if they do go 3-cour:

Kotomi and Nagisa's route will both happen at the same time, probably spanning 6 episodes. Cohabitation, Childbirth, and Ushio routes will happen in the remaining 9 episodes, leading to a time reset.

In the next 13 episodes after that, we'll have Kyou and Tomoyo each take up 4 episodes, then 5 episodes for Tomoya to advance to Naoyuki's situation (would time well with us having had experience with Tomoyo's route), and then a transition to another time reset, to save Nagisa.

[Sushi-Y]

Kotomi and Nagisa's route will both happen at the same time, probably spanning 6 episodes. Cohabitation, Childbirth, and Ushio routes will happen in the remaining 9 episodes, leading to a time reset.

In the next 13 episodes after that, we'll have Kyou and Tomoyo each take up 4 episodes, then 5 episodes for Tomoya to advance to Naoyuki's situation (would time well with us having had experience with Tomoyo's route), and then a transition to another time reset, to save Nagisa.
Although that would mean a reset would have to occur after every route (Kyou > reset > Tomoyo > reset > Tomoya's dad (which means Nagisa has to die twice? :heh: ).

They would also have to work it into the anime in a way that's natural (making the delay of Kyou and Tomoyo's route look meaningful. For example, have Tomoya "neglect" something important about Kyou and Tomoyo the first time around), otherwise it would just look like they're pushing the 2 difficult routes to the "we'll deal with those later" corner.

Personally, I think it'll be pretty tough to pull something like that off. It would probably work better if they just bite the nail and pull out the incapatible elements from Kyou and Tomoyo's route and focus on resolving their "conflicts" to get the light orb (kind of like their Shiori approach). They could, for example, "get rid of" :heh: Kyou and Ryou by bunching them with Kappei's story, and merge Tomoyo's route with Misae's somehow.

[velocity7]

When we do get to After Story though, I don't think Illusionary World, Chapter 11 will play right at the beginning. It'll likely play when Nagisa dies, for the emotional factor...

[Kang Seung Jae]

Below is an interesting chart that has all the character ending that you can get.

The red bar indicates that you'll end up with the girl in the ending, the farther away from the middle, the more the story feels like a moe bishoujo game.

The blue bar indicates you won't end up with the girl (or guy in Kappei and Koumura's case). The further away from the middle, the less the story feels like a bishoujo game.

(Sunohara's position is not an error, he is placed on that spot for a very good reason. :D )

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3842/characterendingchartka3.png (http://imageshack.us)



Fuuko is right at the middle, because you can end up with her (true end), or you can befriend her while having Nagisa as your girl (normal end).

Nagisa, Kotomi and Yukine are more towards the middle than Tomoyo and the twins, since their stories do make mention of the light orbs and the "Illusionary World", which is the central theme of the whole story.


I still don't like the fact that Kotomi is in her position..... I say she should be between Tomoyo and Nagisa.


As for Sunohara........ his ending is a complete shocker.



On every episode they changed the story a bit to accommodate a single story, if you're asking. :D

Actually, I was talking about Kotomi, since episode 10 is the start of her route.

[amoirsp]

On episode 10:

Do you think they've changed the game story a bit?

Since Kinny indirectly did not cover your question, I'll just put random inputs.

Yes, they're changed the game story a bit. Will they change it significantly, I don't know, but Kotomi's route shouldn't have much effect. If anything, it's either truncations or odd chronology.

The reason why it's changed is because the methods to meet Kotomi is in complete contrast with meeting Nagisa. Kyoani avoided this by not using emphasis on Kotomi at all, so you don't get the opportunity cost condition. The anime also ignored ditching class. It's incorporated, but certainly not emphasized. (Though I personally don't like excessive Nagisa emphasis, even if she is the most important. Sometimes it's a bit too exaggerated. In her own route she's fine, neutral/interesting in Kotomi's route, important in Fuuko's route, and pretty much irrelevant in any other route ... except Mei and certain scenarios.)

This is an emphasis on a route, therefore Kotomi will retain character focus until her route ends. However, random small things like the book cutting was supposed to be done. Kyoani decided to have Kotomi about to cut down the middle so the shock of "about to cut a page of a book in half" would warrant an immediate "hey! hey!" response. The problem with that is that it makes the actual cutting meaningless (it was supposed to be cutting the corners of the book, like making it rounded, which occurs in many books, though maybe not in that fashion.)

And of course the scenes with Kotomi are supposed to be a lot slower, but it would be way too dragged out and possibly extremely repetitive. Though after what I saw in Fuuko's route, that's entirely possible, but since they already went through a little of it, that was to fast forward introductions.

On another note if Clannad not being 2 cour isn't true, possibilities arise, but then it makes episodes 1 - 4 not make as much sense, as I thought the speed of the episodes were rather fast (on the other hand contrasting to Fuuko's route it felt too slow compared to 1 - 4, resulting in emphasis on a basis that isn't really there aka character development not really there randomly generating foreshadowing that might be missed).

Now Kyoani will likely cover the obvious points. Fortunately the episode provides a ton more than the previews, therefore I'll be like wow, episode 10 provided more than I thought. Likewise it can be utterly disappointing considering I already have gripes on some minute details that were different already, and Kotomi's total screen time doesn't even hit anywhere near half an hour. (though I played the route too many times, and I probably forgot most of the content anyways)

The irony is that Kotomi is met via ditching classes initially since at least the anime stated she's exempted from lessons, therefore she isn't in class, which is why she's in the library anyways. The point of this is that based on the anime's direction, Tomoya does so much focus on Fuuko ... and then starts ditching?! Of course chances are Kyoani ignores this and changes it into "I want to help this girl know some friends" etc etc aka initial main point.

An upside to the route is that having Nagisa around will make sense, though she won't be as important (well, Fuuko's scenario is like the only condition where Nagisa is most significant as a non-primary character if that wasn't obvious enough). I guess Kyoani thought that running Fuuko's route would generate encounters with the characters they intend to input focus on, therefore when running Kotomi's route to introduce her to some people, the momentum seems rather fitting. This just means that there isn't much conflict, but that's probably because the two scenarios are independent (Kotomi isn't in Fuuko's route, Fuuko isn't in Kotomi's route. The anime already makes this indirectly clear since if Kotomi wasn't included in Fuuko's route, just about nothing changes.)

Fortunately you can resolve just about everything in Kotomi's route. I will find it unusual if they truncate anything that isn't necessary to truncate. Good timing for it to be episode 10 too since Fuuko isn't part of Kotomi's route, and other characters have more relevance than they did in Fuuko's route (except Nagisa, who was more relevant in Fuuko's route). It also has the indirect excuse to still have the drama club around.

Like everyone stated, most of the conflict will stem from the Kyou, Tomoyo, and Nagisa imbalance. Normally an anime could run an opportunity cost scenario where choosing Nagisa makes Tomoyo or Kyou a forgone option, but since Kyoani likes to run every single route, that makes the bypass impossible.

The only way I see Kyou and Tomoyo's scenario running without too much confusion is a "Nagisa out of commission" scenario. The problem is that it makes no sense if Tomoya didn't visit Nagisa, so that doesn't work. (Although on the funny mention of the time warp with *that* condition, that does make it possible, just very weird.)

On a gripe note, there are things that happen before that episode 10 preview notice. If they truncate it, it's going to ruin some things. (Note: I'm talking about the rainy day LOL time warp! Nope, Nagisa already opportunity cost two things that occur on that day, and who knows if it's shown later. Possible, since the situations are entirely different.)

[Nerroth]

I get the feeling that if/when an arc is written for Tomoyo, it won't be anything which would leave the door open to Tomoyo After (but they would still have plenty of wiggle room if they did a TA OVA, just by saying at the start 'oh, in this timeline, he's with Tomoyo, by the way').

If it's the case that Tomoyo is running for the SC in part to save the sakura trees, it could be re-worked into more of a group effort - as in the members of the drama club help out with campaigning, raising awareness about the sakura, or maybe doing impromptu performances about how depressing it would be if they got cut down, etc.

Therefore, the issue of getting Tomoyo to open up more becomes something that is helped by friendships formed with the main cast, and not directly through a romance with Tomoya.

Gets the trees saved, helps Tomoyo's character develop, leaves the door open for Nagisa/Tomoya (with the odd Ryou/Kyou trouble along the way) and allows Tomoyo to see about finding one of the other decent guys that surely exist somewhere on Earth like a Keyverse version of myself, naturally...

Oh, dear - looks like the mask slipped for a moment, there!

Eh, heh heh heh...

[Kristen]

Well, it looks like they are actually doing the light thingy, since there are two lights. Unfortunately, there only seems to be room on the bottom to do 3 lights. However, they may do a triangle sort of a thing, which would be 5 lights.
I kind of think if they were going to do the lights, they wouldn't do it just 1, 2, and 3. It'd be kind of silly then.
Random hope for a 3rd cour is always fun. :)

[minhtam1638]

Well, it looks like they are actually doing the light thingy, since there are two lights. Unfortunately, there only seems to be room on the bottom to do 3 lights. However, they may do a triangle sort of a thing, which would be 5 lights.
I kind of think if they were going to do the lights, they wouldn't do it just 1, 2, and 3. It'd be kind of silly then.
Random hope for a 3rd cour is always fun. :)

I was questioning the placement of the 2nd light myself. It seems to me that they will actually try to do all 13 stories.

[Kristen]

I was questioning the placement of the 2nd light myself. It seems to me that they will actually try to do all 13 stories.

Which I figure is absolutely impossible under the restraints of 24 episodes. It just seems most logical to me that Kyoto will do like 37-39 episodes of Clannad, and then air Haruhi on Tanabata (SP?).

[velocity7]

Did we all forget Mei? Her story is a side one, and she was shown in OP for a reason.

Don't forget Okazaki Naoyuki either. His story has to be told.

[PhantomX]

Can someone pm me the spoilers to Kotomi's arc? I haven't played the game, but I'm one of few people that really like spoilers, so I'd like to know how her story is going to progress. Thanks, appreciate it ^_^

[Joachim]

if they do play the reset, i wonder how it will be..., going back to beginning, end with kyou, reset, going back to beginning, end with tomoyo, reset... sounds well.. boring? but i have faith in kyo-ani

though i strongly support a separate ova for both tomoyo and kyou's arc, *praying strongly

[Joachim]

Can someone pm me the spoilers to Kotomi's arc? I haven't played the game, but I'm one of few people that really like spoilers, so I'd like to know how her story is going to progress. Thanks, appreciate it ^_^

keywords for kotomi's arc = her parent, stuffed dolls (mentioned when kotomi hugged tomoyo in pedobear err bear suit), and birthday present :) i'm not good at explaining things though sorry :(

her parent is dead in an accident

[dgreater1]

Anyway, we have 13 Eps. left if it's 24...


Kotomi = 3 or 4?
Kyou = 3 or 4?
Tomoyo = 3 or 4?
Yukine = 2 (Kinda weird if they don't execute this despite they showed her)
Nagisa = 2 or 3 (Of course... her route already runs on all route so we don't need it to be 3 or 4)
Misae = 1 (Also the same as above)
Kappei = 1 (Probably? Well, this will answer the "justice for Ryou" thing fans of her are wishing for, but TBH this will revolve more on Kappei, and will probably show up on After Story as well)
Sunohara Mei/Yohei = 2 (Justice for Sunohara)
Koumura = 1 (He probably won't make too much appearance despite he has his own story, this will probably be on their graduation day and will pass by really quick so you can take this one out of the equation.)
Sanae & Akio = 2
Love Spanner (Yuusuke) = 1 (I think they can cut this one out of the equation)
Naoyuki = 1
After Story (Main, including the most crucial part) = 2 to 4
They probably will have a 10 minutes other world scenario later on.


Okay, calculate it, remove those story you think is unnecessary :3

Anyway, I must say this but, low tolerance Kagikko fans will probably go on a rampage in front of KyoAni if they took out too much of the story :3

[bladeofdarkness]

hi
i just want to ask someone who played the game something

after nagisa gets told about nishina rie's condition and she agrees to not interfere with the singing club
if you choose to hug her (and she then becomes your girlfriend)
does it prevent or ifluences your playing the other girl's story arc's

i havent made it past that point so if posible answer without giving away plot info

[yeye]

Hi guys, I hope this isn't totally the wrong thread for this, but I have a question about Misae-san's route.

I've been playing with the translation patch for a few days now, and I've managed to finish two routes, including Misae-san's. The problem is, the patch doesn't translate the dream sequences, or any of the other sequences that don't involve the normal text window thingy. Well, at the end of the route, after Tomoya wakes up in Misae's room, there's some text like that, and I was wondering if anyone could be kind enough to tell me what's written there. I hate missing out on stuff like that. :)

[GyroidFanatic]

Hi guys, I hope this isn't totally the wrong thread for this, but I have a question about Misae-san's route.

I've been playing with the translation patch for a few days now, and I've managed to finish two routes, including Misae-san's. The problem is, the patch doesn't translate the dream sequences, or any of the other sequences that don't involve the normal text window thingy. Well, at the end of the route, after Tomoya wakes up in Misae's room, there's some text like that, and I was wondering if anyone could be kind enough to tell me what's written there. I hate missing out on stuff like that. :)
Illusionary World stuff: http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Clannad:SEEN6900
Misae's route: http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Clannad:SEEN7500

All the pictures in Misae's route are translated there, the first group is after line 1408, and the second is at the end of the file.

hi
i just want to ask someone who played the game something

after nagisa gets told about nishina rie's condition and she agrees to not interfere with the singing club
if you choose to hug her (and she then becomes your girlfriend)
does it prevent or ifluences your playing the other girl's story arc's

i havent made it past that point so if posible answer without giving away plot info

Other than effecting Nagisa's route of course, the only one possible to split onto after that point is Fuuko. Whether or not you hug Nagisa determines which of two endings you get with Fuuko. There's no major story changes, but the relationship between Tomoya and Fuuko will be different.

Anyway, we have 13 Eps. left if it's 24...


Kotomi = 3 or 4?
Kyou = 3 or 4?
Tomoyo = 3 or 4?
Yukine = 2 (Kinda weird if they don't execute this despite they showed her)
Nagisa = 2 or 3 (Of course... her route already runs on all route so we don't need it to be 3 or 4)
Misae = 1 (Also the same as above)
Kappei = 1 (Probably? Well, this will answer the "justice for Ryou" thing fans of her are wishing for, but TBH this will revolve more on Kappei, and will probably show up on After Story as well)
Sunohara Mei/Yohei = 2 (Justice for Sunohara)
Koumura = 1 (He probably won't make too much appearance despite he has his own story, this will probably be on their graduation day and will pass by really quick so you can take this one out of the equation.)
Sanae & Akio = 2
Love Spanner (Yuusuke) = 1 (I think they can cut this one out of the equation)
Naoyuki = 1
After Story (Main, including the most crucial part) = 2 to 4
They probably will have a 10 minutes other world scenario later on.


Okay, calculate it, remove those story you think is unnecessary :3

Anyway, I must say this but, low tolerance Kagikko fans will probably go on a rampage in front of KyoAni if they took out too much of the story :3

I haven't played through it myself, but there's been some talk of After Story ending up as a 13 episode "season 2" later on.

[bladeofdarkness]

Other than effecting Nagisa's route of course, the only one possible to split onto after that point is Fuuko. Whether or not you hug Nagisa determines which of two endings you get with Fuuko. There's no major story changes, but the relationship between Tomoya and Fuuko will be different.

thanx for the update
and can anyone tell me when nagisa's arc begins
i mean what's step 1 (date. line of text. etc)
what should i not do if i dont want to play nagisa arc

[GyroidFanatic]

thanx for the update
and can anyone tell me when nagisa's arc begins
i mean what's step 1 (date. line of text. etc)
what should i not do if i dont want to play nagisa arc
I believe unless you've been hanging out with Fuuko, you're pretty much stuck on Nagisa's route.

[bladeofdarkness]

i mean how to avoid nagisa's arc in the first place

[yeye]

Illusionary World stuff: http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Clannad:SEEN6900
Misae's route: http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Clannad:SEEN7500

All the pictures in Misae's route are translated there, the first group is after line 1408, and the second is at the end of the file.


Thanks a lot, I hate to leave a story unfinished. :)

Well, speaking of that, I feel this route has given the least closure of all the routes I've played through so far.. I mean, great, the cat is the guy she loved in high school, but what happens to her and Tomoya after that? Does she move on or does she just ignore Tomoya again? And the point at which you get her light (in the tomoyo route) doesn't really finish anything either..

[velocity7]

You know guys, this thread is supposed to discuss spoilers/speculation for the anime, as the topic implies. I don't think game translation stuff is supposed to be in here (let alone how to play the game)...

Clannad Game Discussion (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=10536)
Clannad Game Translation Project (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=42612)

[Klashikari]

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7893/1199816372786ww2.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1199816372786ww2.jpg)

Kotomi's arc will be done with Episode 14 (nothing new)
Nagisa's arc will get more focus with 15-16 (Basket event, 3on3). Mei will arrive during this period
Tomoyo's arc "starts" with episode 17

Information can be checked anyway, but it seems quite possible.
I just hope Mei will have solid screentime, she deserves it hands down.

side note: Kyou's hair style is HOT :love:, while Nagisa sure wears her summer seifuku quite early (or was the game that late?)

[velocity7]

The basketball event is where Nagisa and Tomoya confess their love for each other... :S That happens, and any continued development with Tomoyo or Kyou'll have to happen in an alternate universe.

[Klashikari]

I'm not sure if they have to pull the confession before the 3 on 3, especially that Youhei goes on rampage for this silly challenge.

Also, from what we could get with the Newtype (though might be a silly interpretation, translation i read)
Ishihara said in an interview that Tomoyo and Kyou would have full arc as well in the anime so Kyou will probably be just after.

That looks quite challenging to do that, and I'm not sure if the "universe" switch would be good.
That said, mei's arc is definitely confirmed with this lil pic:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4433/1199908429305ai2.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1199908429305ai2.jpg)


Now, there was also THIS one:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/656/1199908653125ge5.th.jpg (http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1199908653125ge5.jpg)

Well, it might be just a reference of the game, but Yukine wielding her spell book doesn't look that innocent. not sure how they would put her route as well, but it is doable

[iamandragon]

Whisper...
Found this on the net:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/310/20071108797f0cc81087a5bfe7.th.jpg (http://img402.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20071108797f0cc81087a5bfe7.jpg)
Seems like we're going to move on a very rapid pace after this episode.

[velocity7]

Mei arc is definitely doable. Though if it'll happen within the next 13 episodes is another story.

[Kristen]

Hm...
I think 15-16 may just be episodes that continue Nagisa's route. Like, maybe they'll cut the love confession and put that to a further episode. And if they are doing all the arcs, then I guess a season 2 is becoming more and more inevitable.

Also, V7, it's 12 episodes. 24 episodes total minus 12 aired is 12. :p

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5007/lightsbu6.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightsbu6.jpg)

Three lights. Are they saying that they already covered somebody's route or sidestory? Like, I don't think it could be Kyou's route, nor is it Kotomi's. Hm...

Unless they put this in for Kotomi before her arc had gone to completion.

[Klashikari]

Hm...

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Three lights. Are they saying that they already covered somebody's route or sidestory? Like, I don't think it could be Kyou's route, nor is it Kotomi's. Hm...

Unless they put this in for Kotomi before her arc had gone to completion.

There are 2 possibles explanations:

Kotomi's "happiness" is already granted with the fact she has friends now.
As you mentioned, it is possible that the orb is already showing up, which might be a simple foreshadowing hint of the end of the route.Among the 8 possible orbs you can get with school life routes, it is impossible to get orb from character without their arc as all of them need Tomoya in a way or another. It would be quite silly if they do otherwise.

[Kristen]

There are 2 possibles explanations:

Kotomi's "happiness" is already granted with the fact she has friends now.
As you mentioned, it is possible that the orb is already showing up, which might be a simple foreshadowing hint of the end of the route.Among the 8 possible orbs you can get with school life routes, it is impossible to get orb from character without their arc as all of them need Tomoya in a way or another. It would be quite silly if they do otherwise.

I was thinking about this a bit, and posted it in Episode 13 discussion thread earlier today. But, maybe they are putting one out every new DVD? Like, 1-6 were DVDs 1 and 2, and they didn't have any. So, DVD 3 would have 1 (7-9), DVD 4 would have 2 (10-12), and DVD 5 would have 3 (13-15).

If it is 8 from the school life arcs, maybe Kyoto animation wants to follow that path, just do it by the DVDs. That would be DVD 6 (16-18) is 4, DVD 7 (19-21) is 5, and DVD 8 (22-24) is 6.
Which would mean that there are 2 lights to go, which would have to be in a S2! :) *Hopes*

[Kinny Riddle]

After episode 14, those light orbs seen coming out from Fuuko's "classroom" in episode 5 are beginning to make sense now.


These orbs are only emitted when one experiences a moment pure happiness (No! Not sex, you perv! ) Fuuko experienced it when she "finally" experienced going to school, Kotomi experiences it when she realizes her parents still love her from beyond the netherworld.

These orbs will flow into the Illusionary World created by Ushio, and will be stored by the "robot", AKA Tomoya, in which he will collect as many as he can in order to save Nagisa.

[Kristen]

So, the first point of contact has finished: There are still only 3 orbs in episode 15. Next week is really the deciding factor. If there are 4 orbs, I think it's safe to conclude that KyoAni puts an additional orb in every DVD, or every 3 episodes, having 0 during the first 6. If the are only 3, then I guess my theory has gone to shambles, and it may just be random.

[Zenemis]

I didn't even notice the lights in the Episode Name scene, thanks for pointing that out =|

[Klashikari]

So, the first point of contact has finished: There are still only 3 orbs in episode 15. Next week is really the deciding factor. If there are 4 orbs, I think it's safe to conclude that KyoAni puts an additional orb in every DVD, or every 3 episodes, having 0 during the first 6. If the are only 3, then I guess my theory has gone to shambles, and it may just be random.
As far as I can see, it cannot be random considering how the light orbs appeared until now in the anime.

The first one was Kouko's wish, the second was Fuuko's.
The third might look awkward in timing, but I think it was a nice move because what really made Kotomi happy is that she got friends. And this was really triggered in episode 12, despite she fell back in her nightmarish past.

[Kristen]

As far as I can see, it cannot be random considering how the light orbs appeared until now in the anime.

The first one was Kouko's wish, the second was Fuuko's.
The third might look awkward in timing, but I think it was a nice move because what really made Kotomi happy is that she got friends. And this was really triggered in episode 12, despite she fell back in her nightmarish past.

Hm, that's possible. Both theories of DVD's and "True Happiness" are still plausible. I guess we need to wait for next week to find out which is true. After all, nobody achieved a true happiness this week, right?

[Kinny Riddle]

Tomoya was this close to making Nagisa his girlfriend and be stuck with her story, until Kyo-Ani masterfully had Kyou come in to save the day for herself and Tomoyo. :D

Yukine's spellbook is actually the same horoscope book that Akio has read in AfterStory. Besides inspiring Sunohara to come out with his wacky idea to save Nagisa's club, let us hope we get to see more of Yukine's interesting spells.

If they continue to cram everything in so nicely that nothing seems to be missed, I'm very hopeful for even Kappei to make an appearance now. Though I still think there's no room for AfterStory within 24 episodes.

[velocity7]

I agree that After Story will not make it in 24 episodes. Mei appearing, and having full arcs for Kyou and Tomoyo (already announced) means very little room here.

Oh, and I think a horoscope is just the chart; astrology is what you're looking for. And yeah, Dark Princess Kyouko is pretty damn accurate...

[Proto]

Having a full Kyou arc... it still sounds like an odyssey for any person doing an adaptation. I guess they could twist it a little by having Nagisa and Tomoya relationship ambiguous as it is, having Ryou confess to Tomoya and Kyou forcefully dragging him into the relationship like in the game. That way Tomoya could still be shown having doubts about the relationship, but with Nagisa in mind instead of Kyou... I guess? It still feels too contrived :heh:

[Klashikari]

The problem would be quite how they will "stash away" Nagisa considering she is without a doubt the closest person to Tomoya, aside of Youhei.
In such, it would be hardly possible to make her as a scarecrow or something :heh:

Let alone, they will have to deal with the school festival, hence the drama club arc. While it might still have some hope for Tomoyo, as for Kyou it is very challenging...

[Proto]

You can always temporally get rid of her with a fever. It is actually quite a convenient plot device :heh: Though that will leave a jerk impression of Tomoya for all the Nagisa lovers (like me), but other than that I cannot think of some other option that would make more sense. Using alternate universes this early will also seem like a cope out for most.

[Klashikari]

You can always temporally get rid of her with a fever. It is actually quite a convenient plot device :heh:
Yeah... i thought the same, but I really hope KyoAni won't use that ugly stratagem like Key did for Fuuko or Koumura's routes... if they do, it will be terrible in term of balance... >_>

[GyroidFanatic]

I was thinking about this a bit earlier:
If they do do the split-season with a time reset, what if they went with a Kyou end for season 1? They already added in a few extra hints for her ("wanna do something fun?", etc.).

Further thoughts on this:
Yukine's route - since this was already started by introducing Sunohara to Yukine, this could easily be sprinkled in over the rest of the season. And it would be nice to do this for the explanation of the lights. Also her route could help advance Kyou's, with the hallway and storage room scenes.

Komura's route - I was thinking this might happen during the second season, and something would happen for Fuuko not to appear regularly, giving her "wish" scene more impact. And I think this definintly needs to be after Yukine's route due to her explanation.

Kappei's route - Not many choices for this since he hasn't been featured yet, nor is he in the OP (as far as I can tell). This could be used in season 2 as a way to avoid the Kyou route, since Tomoya and Ryou wouldn't have dated, and therefore Tomoya wouldn't have had thoughts about Kyou, and Kyou wouldn't have as many chances to get to him.

Tomoyo's route - A tricky one. I could see them doing several things with this:
1. Taking out the romance factor like Kotomi's route, and focusing instead on her friendship with Tomoya and Sunohara
2. Come up with something involving the 8 month break, where Ryou/Kyou make their move. (Not sure on any specifics, but it's possible...)
3. Have the election already happen, and move her route into the second season

Misae's route - They could fit in near the beginning of Ryou's route due to their interaction (and her interaction with Tomoyo was already done), and part 2 could take place in the second season regardless of if they do Tomoyo's route there or not. Or they could do the whole thing in season 2, and change Ryou's speech to be about Kappei.

Sunohara's route - Why am I putting this here after episode 15 you might ask? Keep in mind there are really two separate routes, the one where Mei stays with Nagisa and the one where Sunohara is tried to impress her. The first one seems to be what's happening here, since Sunohara didn't have time to find a fake girlfriend. That second one could take place during season 2.

Nagisa's route - The big one. Something needs to happen during season 1 to stop this from happening, and the most likely thing seems to be a mess up during the 3 on 3. That seems to be the only spot to completely throw off Nagisa's route. Also of importance is that Kyou interrupted Nagisa and Tomoya's close moment in episode 15. They couldn't have simply held off on this altogether until season 2 since they needed it for Fuuko and Kotomi's routes, and it would be weird to have ignored her during season 1.

Kotomi's route - already done of course, but something will need to happen in season 2 to keep make her happy :(

And with less major stuff to cover duing season 2, it would be split -- first cour is school life part 2, and the second cour After Story.

Of course I haven't played After Story yet, I've just played what's been translated, so there may be something else important I'm missing.

[Kristen]

I was thinking about this a bit earlier:
If they do do the split-season with a time reset, what if they went with a Kyou end for season 1? They already added in a few extra hints for her ("wanna do something fun?", etc.).

Further thoughts on this:
Yukine's route - since this was already started by introducing Sunohara to Yukine, this could easily be sprinkled in over the rest of the season. And it would be nice to do this for the explanation of the lights. Also her route could help advance Kyou's, with the hallway and storage room scenes.

Komura's route - I was thinking this might happen during the second season, and something would happen for Fuuko not to appear regularly, giving her "wish" scene more impact. And I think this definintly needs to be after Yukine's route due to her explanation.

Kappei's route - Not many choices for this since he hasn't been featured yet, nor is he in the OP (as far as I can tell). This could be used in season 2 as a way to avoid the Kyou route, since Tomoya and Ryou wouldn't have dated, and therefore Tomoya wouldn't have had thoughts about Kyou, and Kyou wouldn't have as many chances to get to him.

Tomoyo's route - A tricky one. I could see them doing several things with this:
1. Taking out the romance factor like Kotomi's route, and focusing instead on her friendship with Tomoya and Sunohara
2. Come up with something involving the 8 month break, where Ryou/Kyou make their move. (Not sure on any specifics, but it's possible...)
3. Have the election already happen, and move her route into the second season

Misae's route - They could fit in near the beginning of Ryou's route due to their interaction (and her interaction with Tomoyo was already done), and part 2 could take place in the second season regardless of if they do Tomoyo's route there or not. Or they could do the whole thing in season 2, and change Ryou's speech to be about Kappei.

Sunohara's route - Why am I putting this here after episode 15 you might ask? Keep in mind there are really two separate routes, the one where Mei stays with Nagisa and the one where Sunohara is tried to impress her. The first one seems to be what's happening here, since Sunohara didn't have time to find a fake girlfriend. That second one could take place during season 2.

Nagisa's route - The big one. Something needs to happen during season 1 to stop this from happening, and the most likely thing seems to be a mess up during the 3 on 3. That seems to be the only spot to completely throw off Nagisa's route. Also of importance is that Kyou interrupted Nagisa and Tomoya's close moment in episode 15. They couldn't have simply held off on this altogether until season 2 since they needed it for Fuuko and Kotomi's routes, and it would be weird to have ignored her during season 1.

Kotomi's route - already done of course, but something will need to happen in season 2 to keep make her happy :(

And with less major stuff to cover duing season 2, it would be split -- first cour is school life part 2, and the second cour After Story.

Of course I haven't played After Story yet, I've just played what's been translated, so there may be something else important I'm missing.

I think a two cours season two would be overdoing it. After all, it's kind of hard to make anything with 48-50 episodes total, unless you're adapting something like 8 games in Higurashi, or unless you add in a lot of filler.

I'm thinking that next week in the Sunohara route, focusing on him and his sister. Then it'll go to Tomoyo, interweaving the Misae arc into it. This would be episodes 17-20. 21-24 would be the Kyou arc, developing Yukine in the process.
A second season would be 12 episodes and invold Yukine's arc and Nagisa's arc intertwined for maybe 4 or 5 episodes, with maybe a split somewhere to include Koumura. Kappei gets cut, in my opinion. Then the rest would be after story, which would amount to something like 6 or 7 episodes.

24 requires too much compression, 48 requires too much stretching of the arcs. 36 involves a little bit of stretching, but works the best. ^_^


But, in my non-dream world, where this is 24, I think that they interweave Kyou/Tomoyo/Nagisa for the next 5 episodes, and then have after story 21-24.

[Klashikari]

I think a two cours season two would be overdoing it. After all, it's kind of hard to make anything with 48-50 episodes total, unless you're adapting something like 8 games in Higurashi, or unless you add in a lot of filler.
Huh? Hell no. basically, Clannad school life routes + After Story can stretch into 60-70 episodes if you want to be really faithful. Even if Higurashi is quite big, it is isn't exactly longer than CLANNAD.

I'm thinking that next week in the Sunohara route, focusing on him and his sister. Then it'll go to Tomoyo, interweaving the Misae arc into it. This would be episodes 17-20. 21-24 would be the Kyou arc, developing Yukine in the process.
A second season would be 12 episodes and invold Yukine's arc and Nagisa's arc intertwined for maybe 4 or 5 episodes, with maybe a split somewhere to include Koumura. Kappei gets cut, in my opinion. Then the rest would be after story, which would amount to something like 6 or 7 episodes.12 episodes will be required for After Story (at the very least you need 6-8 stuffed episodes for that). Hence, I cannot see how they can finish Clannad correctly with a 24 + 12.

24 requires too much compression, 48 requires too much stretching of the arcs. 36 involves a little bit of stretching, but works the best. ^_^Nope, it isn't anything stretchy for 48, really.

But, in my non-dream world, where this is 24, I think that they interweave Kyou/Tomoyo/Nagisa for the next 5 episodes, and then have after story 21-24.That would be the worst thing they can do for Clannad. 4 episodes for AS... it is like how Air TV demolished Kano and Minagi to leave some space to Misuzu.
The cohabitation period need at least 2 episodes (with Yuusuke + Sanae and Akio), then we need another 1-2 episodes for the later part, with Tomoya struggling with Nagisa for their future.
Then a whole episode for the birth part, then at least 1-2 episode for Ushio, and then the final episode. We need like 6-7 episodes to have a certain minimum for After Story.

[Leo_Otaku]

Huh? Hell no. basically, Clannad school life routes + After Story can stretch into 60-70 episodes if you want to be really faithful. Even if Higurashi is quite big, it is isn't exactly longer than CLANNAD.
12 episodes will be required for After Story (at the very least you need 6-8 stuffed episodes for that). Hence, I cannot see how they can finish Clannad correctly with a 24 + 12.
Nope, it isn't anything stretchy for 48, really.
That would be the worst thing they can do for Clannad. 4 episodes for AS... it is like how Air TV demolished Kano and Minagi to leave some space to Misuzu.
The cohabitation period need at least 2 episodes (with Yuusuke + Sanae and Akio), then we need another 1-2 episodes for the later part, with Tomoya struggling with Nagisa for their future.
Then a whole episode for the birth part, then at least 1-2 episode for Ushio, and then the final episode. We need like 6-7 episodes to have a certain minimum for After Story.

Exactly! Even in Higurashi Kai n there was some epiosdes that were just too drawn out. To have effect for characters they need to have a second season. There is toomuch that will be left out. They really need it for the secondary characters whose routes are actually better than a good portion of the main cast! They better not cut out Kappei! His story is better than some of the other ones!

[Klashikari]

Exactly! Even in Higurashi Kai n there was some epiosdes that were just too drawn out. To have effect for characters they need to have a second season. There is toomuch that will be left out. They really need it for the secondary characters whose routes are actually better than a good portion of the main cast! They better not cut out Kappei! His story is better than some of the other ones!
Well, actually no, most if not all Higurashi Kai episodes were quite shrunk in comparison with the game. But the execution is somewhat draggy here and there. The thing would worth more like 26-28 instead of 24. But that isn't the topic XD

I really dunno about Kappei... It is quite conflicting with Kyou's path, until they try to put Kappei after the ordeal with Ryou. And seriously, the game was already cheap with Ryou becoming instantly his lover, but combining Kyou + kappei would be extremely awkward.

And to be quite honest, Kappei is one of the few arcs I didn't exactly like... probably because of Kappei himself and the fact it is cheapening Ryou's "route".

[Kristen]

Huh? Hell no. basically, Clannad school life routes + After Story can stretch into 60-70 episodes if you want to be really faithful. Even if Higurashi is quite big, it is isn't exactly longer than CLANNAD.
12 episodes will be required for After Story (at the very least you need 6-8 stuffed episodes for that). Hence, I cannot see how they can finish Clannad correctly with a 24 + 12.
Nope, it isn't anything stretchy for 48, really.
Hm... I suppose. How would you lay it all out from this point on?

That would be the worst thing they can do for Clannad. 4 episodes for AS... it is like how Air TV demolished Kano and Minagi to leave some space to Misuzu.
The cohabitation period need at least 2 episodes (with Yuusuke + Sanae and Akio), then we need another 1-2 episodes for the later part, with Tomoya struggling with Nagisa for their future.
Then a whole episode for the birth part, then at least 1-2 episode for Ushio, and then the final episode. We need like 6-7 episodes to have a certain minimum for After Story.
I do completely agree. That's why I'm a bit nervous about the ending of this. If it's going to be 24, Kyoto animation will need to pull the biggest miracle possible out of its sleeves to make it work. It's just, if it is 24, it is going to need to do that, unfortunately, or just cut out After Story all together...

On an unrelated note, I kind of think that Air TV could have been longer. Maybe 14 episodes and cutting out the recap episodes or something. It's unfortunately the type that it was too short for a 24 and too long for a 12...

[Bankai29]

I think that there aint gonna be any Kappei. Kyou's is already hinted to happen.

I also think there will be some Yukine arc because of the conversation with Sunohara in ep15. From Yukine's arc, I think they can interwine the other arcs.

Errr...Is season 2 announced?

[Kristen]

I think that there aint gonna be any Kappei. Kyou's is already hinted to happen.

I also think there will be some Yukine arc because of the conversation with Sunohara in ep15. From Yukine's arc, I think they can interwine the other arcs.

Errr...Is season 2 announced?

Nope, it's not. It's just seeming more and more impossible to fit everything into one 24 episode season. As I said in Clannad 15 thread, if we were to just do the 3 major characters and after story, we'd have 2.25 epiosodes an arc. Kyoto definately has something rolled up their sleeves.

Just a weird speculation. What do you think is going to be announced at the end of Clannad? Like, Kyoto has always made some sort of a special announcement on the last episodes of the winter cours for Key games. Maybe it's specific, maybe not. But, if they have a special announcement, what do you think? Clannad S2, maybe. Maybe Little Busters? Planetarian OVA? Tomoyo After OVA? A 3rd remake of One as a season? A non-key work? It's hard to say...

[mandarb916]

I think that there aint gonna be any Kappei. Kyou's is already hinted to happen.

Heh...Kappei...I played that entire arc thinking that Kappei was a junkie until Tomoya came across a magazine article...codeine makes you feel giddy/loopy/silly and a day or 2 after Ryo's date with Kappei, Kyo said Ryo was giddy/loopy/silly...i thought it was going to be a story arc about Tomoya helping Kappei recover from drug addiction >.>

The story itself is good, but I'm not fond of Kappei's personality...the Kyo arc, however, I have mixed feelings about that...Kyo's personality in the anime isn't that great and she seems to be used to fine tune the anime and is quite different from the game :/ What made the Kyo arc so endearing, imho, was because of the intertwining with her sister...not sure how they could successfully portray that in the current situation since it doesn't start taking off in-game until Tomoya/Ryo start dating...

[velocity7]

Okay guys, you know what, I just finished translating part of SEEN6800. You know what I have to say?

I'm dropping the estimate of 36 episodes. I'm estimating 52.

We are moving way too slowly for this to wrap up in 24 episodes, let alone 36. And this is Kyoto Animation, too. Just FYI.

[amoirsp]

52? If lengths are similar to how long Fuuko and Kotomi's routes were, it's viable, but then there's some missing information (or just highly delayed. Referring to Kappei.) The nice thing would be all the routes addressed in that fashion, but there could be weird gaps.

As far as that Kyou interruption goes, it's also a perfect excuse to have Tomoya to have slight minus Kyou points (making the opportunity cost scenario not as big as it seems.), though there were already normal properties that deviate interest in the first place.

And yes, ironically Nagisa going out of commission as mentioned is a plot device that actually could be reasonably implemented. It's actually possible since it actually exists. On the other hand, doing that to run a non-Nagisa route makes it slightly contradictory because of what is fated to happen too.

Funny how 15 episodes through, there's tons of things left, and for 9 episodes it's a whee bit too much content if you put just about all of it in (not to mention drama level episodes are extremely slow, while episodes right after an arc tend to be rather fast.)

Though I do find it possible to generate some conclusive point at an episode 24 (meaning a stop, or a "first half complete" or whatever). Now I don't know what position that would be, maybe a dramatic one?

[Kristen]

Okay guys, you know what, I just finished translating part of SEEN6800. You know what I have to say?

I'm dropping the estimate of 36 episodes. I'm estimating 52.

We are moving way too slowly for this to wrap up in 24 episodes, let alone 36. And this is Kyoto Animation, too. Just FYI.

I'm going to disagree with 52 as an estimate. If they have a second season planned, and it is 2 cours, I doubt it'd be 28 episodes. I don't really think there are any animes that are 28 episodes. :p
Probably 48 would be my guess if they do a 2 cours second season.

[Itadakimasu!]

Having played part of the game now, I think that the ideal length (to fit in all major arcs properly) would be 24 + 13 ... of course... im not sure how much the AS takes up cos im not there yet XD. BUt they seem to be integrating events, eg Tomoyo arc, Kyou arc into the arcs of others... so they are trying to compress it ...

[Bankai29]

Just a weird speculation. What do you think is going to be announced at the end of Clannad? Like, Kyoto has always made some sort of a special announcement on the last episodes of the winter cours for Key games. Maybe it's specific, maybe not. But, if they have a special announcement, what do you think? Clannad S2, maybe. Maybe Little Busters? Planetarian OVA? Tomoyo After OVA? A 3rd remake of One as a season? A non-key work? It's hard to say...


I soooo wish for a One remake!!!:D:D:D

Maybe they'll make an After Story OVA?

[Leo_Otaku]

I soooo wish for a One remake!!!:D:D:D

Maybe they'll make an After Story OVA?

I hoping for ONE remake too XD they did do Kanon ^-^

As for Kappei I think they can include him if they make a second season o if they do any of the after story they could maybe squish him in there.

I found his route to be better than Kyou's route and Ryou's alone. But Misae and Yukine need there stories >.> I like their's better than the majority of Kotomi's and most of Tomoyo's.

I would say 48 epiosdes 50 sum doesn't seem like a Kyo-ani thing.

But I'm just basically struggling to think what all the pacng is going to be like and what they are going to put in the remaining episodes.

We have found out 16 will most likely have sunohara route. Ihave no idea what is mixed in other than Tomoyo since she gets 17 focus. How long will her route take then? I can see them mixing in Yukine or Misae too. But I think that may weaken the effect of their stories.

There has just got to ber a second season...or something....pull a code geass/ 00 and sav the seond half for later.

[Kristen]

I soooo wish for a One remake!!!:D:D:D

Maybe they'll make an After Story OVA?

The only reason I don't think they'd try an One remake is because it would be really easy to do.
If you look, there are 6 definate arcs and an into arc. It'd be easy to adapt into 24.
1-4: Intro
5-8: Mayu
9-12: Misaki
13-15: Mio
16-18: Nanase
19-23: Akane/Nagamori
24: Resolution

My thoughts on an After Story OVA is that it is unlikely, but not impossible.

[Leo_Otaku]

The only reason I don't think they'd try an One remake is because it would be really easy to do.
If you look, there are 6 definate arcs and an into arc. It'd be easy to adapt into 24.
1-4: Intro
5-8: Mayu
9-12: Misaki
13-15: Mio
16-18: Nanase
19-23: Akane/Nagamori
24: Resolution

My thoughts on an After Story OVA is that it is unlikely, but not impossible.

Very true but not an OVa a special like AIR in Summer sort of thing they could do...or just make more XD

[Kristen]

I hoping for ONE remake too XD they did do Kanon ^-^

As for Kappei I think they can include him if they make a second season o if they do any of the after story they could maybe squish him in there.

I found his route to be better than Kyou's route and Ryou's alone. But Misae and Yukine need there stories >.> I like their's better than the majority of Kotomi's and most of Tomoyo's.

I would say 48 epiosdes 50 sum doesn't seem like a Kyo-ani thing.

But I'm just basically struggling to think what all the pacng is going to be like and what they are going to put in the remaining episodes.

We have found out 16 will most likely have sunohara route. Ihave no idea what is mixed in other than Tomoyo since she gets 17 focus. How long will her route take then? I can see them mixing in Yukine or Misae too. But I think that may weaken the effect of their stories.

There has just got to ber a second season...or something....pull a code geass/ 00 and sav the seond half for later.

If Tomoyo starts in 17, my guess is that no matter what they do, it will not be 3 episodes. Since the 21st is an off week, they wouldn't want to split it 2 and 1. So, my guess is either 2 episodes, 4 episodes, or 5 episodes.

[bladeofdarkness]

how do you think they will get tomoya and nagisa together in the end

after all the scene where tomoya asks her to be his girlfriend has been killed by kyou in ep 15

[Klashikari]

Even if Kyou didn't barge in that scene, it wouldn't guarantee that Tomoya would confess or so. The progression is obviously meant to be delayed considering the routes they have to get through.

As for the confession itself, I believe the school festival or the events after the said festival are fair enough for this.

[mandarb916]

I've never seen Kanon or Air, but does KyoAni typically air everything in the OP sequence in the announced number of eps?

Reason I ask is:
a) The girl in lying down in the white dress doesn't appear until you've seen the Clannad Epilogue...she's also the first char seen after the OP cuts into the "greenery" sequence after the dream world sequence

b) Fuuko wearing the red blazer/jacket that follows the girl in "a" doesn't appear in After Story until 7 years after Tomoya's graduation

c) a+b, i'm guessing is the actual Clannad Epilogue

d) The girl wearing the elementary school uniform running in the flower fields, most likely Ushio, also doesn't appear until shortly before Fuuko in "b"...and while the scene is a little different, the flower field event is only in the "sadder" after story route.

It seems like the OP is alluding to covering everything including both the Ushio and Nagisa afterstory endings which in and of itself is pretty damn long...

[bevan]

As for the confession itself, I believe the school festival or the events after the said festival are fair enough for this.


How about the confession coming when nagisa is sick? i think it might be feasible and it provides the mood :D

[Klashikari]

I've never seen Kanon or Air, but does KyoAni typically air everything in the OP sequence in the announced number of eps?

It seems like the OP is alluding to covering everything including both the Ushio and Nagisa afterstory endings which in and of itself is pretty damn long...
Kanon and Air weren'te xactly revealing much, but they were spoilers themselves though ineffective since they didn't make sense at first.
Considering what they did with FMP TSR and CLANNAD, chance they will do everything in the OP are extremely high. That's the reason why discarding AS is quite difficult to swallow, not only story wise, but also what KA implied with the OP.

[mandarb916]

Kanon and Air weren'te xactly revealing much, but they were spoilers themselves though ineffective since they didn't make sense at first.
Considering what they did with FMP TSR and CLANNAD, chance they will do everything in the OP are extremely high. That's the reason why discarding AS is quite difficult to swallow, not only story wise, but also what KA implied with the OP.

hm...that's a LOT to cover with...9(?) eps remaining...I suppose a lot of the After Story can be truncated, but even with that, you have something like:

-Tomoyo arc involving her family issues/brother and protecting the cherry blossom trees (8 month time-frame)

-Kyo arc, though I'm not sure how much of that is actually planned, since it ends up being somewhat long and necessitates Ryo+Tomoya and I don't recall there being much content except romance

-1 year timeframe after Tomoya graduates (Nagisa's recovery, Tomoya joining the work-force, attempt to restart the drama club, founder's festival, Nagisa missing graduation again, personal graduation ceremony)

-~1year after Nagisa's graduation through the birth arc

-5 years after the birth arc through Ushio's tragedy

-Dream world -> back to the birth arc -> happy end -> clannad epilogue

KyoAni's done a relatively good job of intertwining a lot of the stories, but it just seems like there's too much potential to butcher what's remaining...One of the reasons why, imho, AS was so powerful was because of the redemption of Tomoyo's father, which looks like it won't be included in the AS, since he's not one of the characters that appear in the OP sequence...

edit1
if KyoAni does do the initial After Story arc, I really hope they include Kyo as I recall her being one of the saving graces of the final parts of AS

edit2
I'm a little confused as to the dream world, but is Nagisa/Tomoya's relationship the equivalent of Misae/Shima?

[Leo_Otaku]

Or they will use the same OP for the second season *shifty eyes*

[Chaotic_Reign]

Or they will use the same OP for the second season *shifty eyes*

I'm betting that what they'll do is keep the first 40 sec or so of the first OP and then, after the clannad logo appears, switch the School Life heroines with the AS characters (Akio, Sanae, Yuusuke etc). It'll be weird to keep the same OP considering some of the main heroines get absolutely minimal screentime in AS.

[mandarb916]

It'll be weird to keep the same OP considering some of the main heroines get absolutely minimal screentime in AS.

I think minimal is an overstatement...most don't get any appearance.
Nagisa's AS graduation attendance hinges on the Nagisa arc itself...aside from that, the only time I remember any of the heroines showing up is Kyou as a preschool/kindergarten teacher (which in and of itself was the one of the few, imho, uplifting parts of the first pass AS)...and during Nagisa's pregnancy, the choir club members show up...

Oh...and Fuuko; forgot about her. She's a critical character in the after story if I remember properly.

[Chaotic_Reign]

Yeah, the graduation scene was what I was talking about when I mentioned absolutely minimal. Though now that you mention it I don't think Kotomi makes an appearance here either :heh:

Tomoyo's mentioned once or twice by Nagisa too, so there might be something there for KyoAni to work with if they want to show that she's alive and kicking :heh:

[mandarb916]

Yeah, the graduation scene was what I was talking about when I mentioned absolutely minimal. Though now that you mention it I don't think Kotomi makes an appearance here either :heh:

Tomoyo's mentioned once or twice by Nagisa too, so there might be something there for KyoAni to work with if they want to show that she's alive and kicking :heh:

I don't think it's possible to get Kotomi in for graduation...I really wish they would incorporate Yukine into the story arcs a little more, since it was her ending that initially explained the glowing lights.

I think you're right about Tomoyo...she's one of the friends that Nagisa has in her 3rd year as 3rd year student, but Tomoya mentions early on in AS that after a certain point, Nagisa no longer mentions anything about school. Along those lines, though, I kinda wish KyoAni would animate Tomoyo After~it's a wonderful life~...portraying Tomoya with who could arguably be considered the polar opposite of Nagisa.

[Leo_Otaku]

I'm moving onto the I think there is a second season on something extra boat!:D

[Klashikari]

I guess most people figured out, but considering the preview of episode 16, it is a gigantic flag for "nagisa getting knocked down by her fever"
Well, I was kinda "meh" at the first glance, but considering the flag with Ryou in episode 16, it makes sense.

Episode 17 will probably be a character development episode for Tomoya and might lead to "date with Ryou out of boredom".
That might make sense to justify to go out with Ryou (while in the game, it was a bit shallow in the reasoning).

I guess we might also expect some screentime for Naoyuki, but considering the time left, I'm really skeptical for Kappei, while Takafumi might have a little cameo in the end.
Still, I wonder how they wil play Tomoyo's arc with Kyou (but they sure sparked the war cry :heh:)

[Proto]

When I predicted this last wek in post #96 and #98, I actually didn't want it to happen since it feels so contrived >_< I hope KyoAni has a better way to put Ryou and Tomoya together than whatever I can come up, since I like Nagisa way to much more than the other heroines. :/ Argh... I think i would have prefered KyoAni to shaft Tomoyo's romantic side of her arc, shaft Fujibayashi's arc completely and concentrate on the non conflictive minor characters arcs,

[PhantomX]

When I predicted this last wek in post #96 and #98, I actually didn't want it to happen since it feels so contrived >_< I hope KyoAni has a better way to put Ryou and Tomoya together than whatever I can come up, since I like Nagisa way to much more than the other heroines. :/ Argh... I think i would have prefered KyoAni to shaft Tomoyo's romantic side of her arc, shaft Fujibayashi's arc completely and concentrate on the non conflictive minor characters arcs,

I agree with you that it would work out much better... especially since they've given Tomoya x Nagisa very, very solid set up, to the point where any other person becoming romantically involved with either of them would seem wrong.

[rave_master16]

For my specs:
1. From the preview ep. 17, I can see the Nagisa arc and a little Koumura arc???
2. ep. 17-20 will be all Nagisa arc and will have a little Tomoyo, Kyou, Yukine...arc
Mei arc is impossible for Sanae is already introduced as Nagisa's mother...
3. Tomoyo and Fujibayashi's arcs will not be shown completely.... I think of a second season
4. ep. 21-24, will be After story.... a little short... Oh I forgot the Kappei and Ryou arc...
5. Ending will be Ushio will die and also Tomoya for regret., then shows the true meaning of the illusionary world, leaving us in a cliffhanger for the next season

If Kyoani really wants to cover the best of Clannad, second season is necessary..
But I know Kyoani, they always come up with exception to the rule...

[Kristen]

For my specs:
1. From the preview ep. 17, I can see the Nagisa arc and a little Koumura arc???
2. ep. 17-20 will be all Nagisa arc and will have a little Tomoyo, Kyou, Yukine...arc
Mei arc is impossible for Sanae is already introduced as Nagisa's mother...
3. Tomoyo and Fujibayashi's arcs will not be shown completely.... I think of a second season
4. ep. 21-24, will be After story.... a little short... Oh I forgot the Kappei and Ryou arc...
5. Ending will be Ushio will die and also Tomoya for regret., then shows the true meaning of the illusionary world, leaving us in a cliffhanger for the next season

If Kyoani really wants to cover the best of Clannad, second season is necessary..
But I know Kyoani, they always come up with exception to the rule...

If Kyoani wants to really cover Clannad, it is impossible in one season, as you said. However, the quick disappearence of Mei really bothers me. I have a feeling that Kyoani is going to make a big mistake an try and squeeze this into 24. And I think they're going to try and include After Story in that 24 as well.
My reasoning is that there was really no reason to include Mei into the story, given the role that she played. They were planning on doing her arc, and that's why they put her in the OP, but they decided that they had far too little time, so they made her appear as just a minor side character that really had no interference of the plot for the past two episodes.

If they had the luxury of 2 seasons, they would have included her arc. However, After Story is hinted at in the OP with Ushio. Hence why I'm thinking they're going to attempt to squeeze that in as well.

It's going to be awful, but as of now, here is my predicted series order:
17-20: Mix of Tomoyo and Kyou arcs
21-24: Nagisa Arc-> After Story

And it's going to be all too fast, leaving us with the Minagi/Kano "What was that?" feeling.

I'm growing pessimistic.

[Zenemis]

I can't possibly imagine After Story fitting in 3 episodes. I guess I'm hoping they leave it at the end of the main story, and do an OVA/Season 2 After Story.

[dgreater1]

If Kyoani wants to really cover Clannad, it is impossible in one season, as you said. However, the quick disappearence of Mei really bothers me. I have a feeling that Kyoani is going to make a big mistake an try and squeeze this into 24. And I think they're going to try and include After Story in that 24 as well.
My reasoning is that there was really no reason to include Mei into the story, given the role that she played. They were planning on doing her arc, and that's why they put her in the OP, but they decided that they had far too little time, so they made her appear as just a minor side character that really had no interference of the plot for the past two episodes.

If they had the luxury of 2 seasons, they would have included her arc. However, After Story is hinted at in the OP with Ushio. Hence why I'm thinking they're going to attempt to squeeze that in as well.

It's going to be awful, but as of now, here is my predicted series order:
17-20: Mix of Tomoyo and Kyou arcs
21-24: Nagisa Arc-> After Story

And it's going to be all too fast, leaving us with the Minagi/Kano "What was that?" feeling.

I'm growing pessimistic.

I'm an optimistic person :3

And since I'm optimistic, I'm not thinking that KyoAni will suddenly crunch Tomoyo, Kyou, the transition from graduation to adult hood (After Story), the important scenes with Tomoya's father, Sanae and Akio's dreams, about Misae's cat (okay, you can remove that if you want), Tomoya's little vacation to her grandmother. Which reminds me, the Illusionary World scene hasn't even reach 1/2, it's just 1/4 of the script. More importantly, I wouldn't want to suddenly see a 3-4 years Ushio after they just finished an arc... That would mean, WTF?! That's so fast! They didn't even cover how their relationship developed after they graduated XD

[Klashikari]

If Kyoani wants to really cover Clannad, it is impossible in one season, as you said. However, the quick disappearence of Mei really bothers me. I have a feeling that Kyoani is going to make a big mistake an try and squeeze this into 24. And I think they're going to try and include After Story in that 24 as well.
It is nothing to worry about since it is sticking with Mei's role in Nagisa's route.
It wouldn't make much sense for Mei to stay longer considering that she jus went to check on her brother. The 3 on 3 is the proof that he is healthy and well, unlike in their route where youhei just doesn't do jack of his school life.
My reasoning is that there was really no reason to include Mei into the story, given the role that she played. They were planning on doing her arc, and that's why they put her in the OP, but they decided that they had far too little time, so they made her appear as just a minor side character that really had no interference of the plot for the past two episodes.
That's uncorrect. Mei's screentime had the purpose to give appearance of an important sub character for on of the main characters (youhei here). It wouldn't make sense that youhei mentions her without having a glimpse of the said person.

Giving the script pace of the series, there is almost no chance they could change the previsions and script in the meantime, it would be ridiculously whacky and noticeable in term of progression. They sticked with nagisa's route as the base of the anime plot progression, hence involving all characters she naturally meet in the game is normal.

If they had the luxury of 2 seasons, they would have included her arc. However, After Story is hinted at in the OP with Ushio. Hence why I'm thinking they're going to attempt to squeeze that in as well.
As I explained, even with 2 seasons, putting Mei's arc considering Youhei's activities with Nagisa is moot. That would be the same if we were following Kyou or Tomoyo routes considering what Youhei do.

In general, Mei shows up only when Tomoya and Youhei are doing the bum without much interaction with any girl.

It's going to be awful, but as of now, here is my predicted series order:
17-20: Mix of Tomoyo and Kyou arcs
21-24: Nagisa Arc-> After Story

And it's going to be all too fast, leaving us with the Minagi/Kano "What was that?" feeling.

I'm growing pessimistic.
There is no chance to do that. It wouldn't make sense to follow nagisa's route if you put direct" rival route" in the pack. Hence, they obviously reserved something behind, especially that the OP hints lots of important scenes of AS.

[Kristen]

It is nothing to worry about since it is sticking with Mei's role in Nagisa's route.
It wouldn't make much sense for Mei to stay longer considering that she jus went to check on her brother. The 3 on 3 is the proof that he is healthy and well, unlike in their route where youhei just doesn't do jack of his school life.
That's uncorrect. Mei's screentime had the purpose to give appearance of an important sub character for on of the main characters (youhei here). It wouldn't make sense that youhei mentions her without having a glimpse of the said person.

Giving the script pace of the series, there is almost no chance they could change the previsions and script in the meantime, it would be ridiculously whacky and noticeable in term of progression. They sticked with nagisa's route as the base of the anime plot progression, hence involving all characters she naturally meet in the game is normal.

As I explained, even with 2 seasons, putting Mei's arc considering Youhei's activities with Nagisa is moot. That would be the same if we were following Kyou or Tomoyo routes considering what Youhei do.
That's what really bothers me. They very easily could have very easily done the Mei route, had they pushed the 3 on 3 to a later episode. I feel like this is the first major cut of the anime, which to me can only mean that there will be other major cuts.

There is no chance to do that. It wouldn't make sense to follow nagisa's route if you put direct" rival route" in the pack. Hence, they obviously reserved something behind, especially that the OP hints lots of important scenes of AS.
This is Kyoani. They could very well come up with a way to make that make sense. I don't want it like that either, but that seems to be the only way left to possibly do it in 24 episodes, since Kyou's and Tomoyo's routes have been confirmed...
What if they pull a surprise and make Tomoya end up with Kyou, and make something like a KGNE 2nd OVA? Interesting impossibility... :p


dgreater1: I was thinking about that too. I mean, I've only played the Fuuko and the Kotomi arcs in the game (I'm only posting in this thread because I've accidentally been spoiled on too many things) and they haven't even made the second robot yet. It seems like they're doing 2 scenes in the anime for 1 scene in the anime, so I know they have more than 4 to go. Especially since the last 2 Illusionary world scenes weren't in the VN.


Just FYI to all: I'm still hoping for a 2nd season, and I know that it's the only logical way to adapt it. I just have a nasty bug telling me otherwise.

[Chaotic_Reign]

That's what really bothers me. They very easily could have very easily done the Mei route, had they pushed the 3 on 3 to a later episode. I feel like this is the first major cut of the anime, which to me can only mean that there will be other major cuts.

The big thing is that there's still a significant portion of the Nagisa arc to be covered, around 3+ eps worth of material. The start of the theatre club and the last bit of Tomoya's story in the Nagisa arc will need 1 episode, Nagisa's past and Tomoya's misgivings (where the confession will likely take place) plus investigations will need 1 episode, and the actual day of the play will need 1 episode. Add in the events after the play, and KyoAni is already stretching the limits as it is with only 17-20 for the Tomoyo and Kyou arcs. I'm not sure that they could have conceivably extended Mei's stay without compromising either of the 3 "main" routes.

[Kristen]

The big thing is that there's still a significant portion of the Nagisa arc to be covered, around 3+ eps worth of material. The start of the theatre club and the last bit of Tomoya's story in the Nagisa arc will need 1 episode, Nagisa's past and Tomoya's misgivings (where the confession will likely take place) plus investigations will need 1 episode, and the actual day of the play will need 1 episode. Add in the events after the play, and KyoAni is already stretching the limits as it is with only 17-20 for the Tomoyo and Kyou arcs. I'm not sure that they could have conceivably extended Mei's stay without compromising either of the 3 "main" routes.

They only could with a second season. I agree, doing the Sunohara route with all 3 main routes and after story would be too much for 24 episodes. That's why I'm having my doubts, since this is something that could aid in "squeezing".

I'll reiterate that I really WANT a 2nd season, and feel that an appropriate adaptation can only be made with one. I just am having doubts...

[mandarb916]

I'll reiterate that I really WANT a 2nd season, and feel that an appropriate adaptation can only be made with one. I just am having doubts...

Well, right now, we're on ep...16 going onto 17 with the following remaining:


Tomoyo's arc consists of:
-Tomoyo/Tomoya romance
-Tomoyo's family situation, Takafumi's attempted suicide to keep family together and subsequent release from hospital through the cherry blossom grove
-Tomoyo being elected student board president
-Tomoya being asked to stop dating Tomoyo
-8months after election, Tomoyo completes her goal

Kyo's arc consists of:
-Ryo/Tomoya romance
-Lots of antics between Ryo/Kyo/Tomoya
-Tomoya's realization that he likes Kyo
-Ryo/Tomoya split
-Kyo/Tomoya get together

First half of After Story consists of:
-Nagisa's 3rd year as a 3rd year student
-Nagisa's private graduation ceremony
-Tomoya/Nagisa's first year together
-Pregnancy arc + Nagisa's death

Second half of After Story consists of:
-5 years after Nagisa's death
-Sanae tricking Tomoya into taking Ushio up North (one of the scenes is in the OP)
-Tomoya meeting his grandmother (father's mother)
-Tomoya accepting Ushio back into his life
-Redemption of father
-Death of Ushio combined with Akio route in regards to Nagisa's well being tied with the city
-Miracle bourne from the city(?) and loop back to Nagisa's birthing scene...Nagisa happy end
-Epilogue with Fuuko and Ushio (this scene is also in the OP)


That's the abridged version...I suppose you could take the romance aspect out of Kyo/Tomoyo which leaves Kyo arc with not too much content if I recall properly, and Tomoyo still has some solidarity with her goal to protect the Cherry Blossom grove. But...there's just so much stuff to cover in the remaining EP's that I'm afraid it's going to get bastardized to hell...

[Leo_Otaku]

I had a dream that they had After Story OVA ad in animage XD

I could see a second season where they will include minor characters. It was really pointless to show Misae with her cat if they wouldn't do anything >.> Same with Yukine...it just was pointless. If they did do second season they could include the real Mei/Youhei story.

If it after story OVA that would be okay...I just think there is something... >.> I would like to believe that Moonphase rumor...Who else will join my boat??:D

If there is no second seasion and they cramp everything into tiny small episodes when I go to Japan I might have to make an uncalled visit :uhoh:

I also don't see much of the Illusionary World at all as mentioned theyhave done like 1/4 of it...so much left undone. How can that possibly be done...:twitch:

[mandarb916]

I could see a second season where they will include minor characters. It was really pointless to show Misae with her cat if they wouldn't do anything >.> Same with Yukine...it just was pointless.

considering their arcs explained what the orbs were, i'd say they're pretty important...the yukine arc was actually quite interesting too...

[Leo_Otaku]

considering their arcs explained what the orbs were, i'd say they're pretty important...the yukine arc was actually quite interesting too...


No no that is not what I meant. I mean it would have been pointless for them to showthe characters without having their stories. I too enjoyed Yukine and so forths stories much more than the majority of Kotomi's and Kyou's. As I have said before I liked some of the more side cast stories like misae, kappei, yukine and so on.

Why show Yukine at all if they aren't planning anything her story was pretty much a stand alone... Misae I could get, but why would they show so much foucus on the cat....:uhoh: I just really hope something else is planned

[mandarb916]

No no that is not what I meant. I mean it would have been pointless for them to showthe characters without having their stories. I too enjoyed Yukine and so forths stories much more than the majority of Kotomi's and Kyou's. As I have said before I liked some of the more side cast stories like misae, kappei, yukine and so on.

Why show Yukine at all if they aren't planning anything her story was pretty much a stand alone... Misae I could get, but why would they show so much foucus on the cat....:uhoh: I just really hope something else is planned

I thought the Kyo arc was rather cute...somewhat generic, but cute nonetheless :P

I digress. Yukine's story is standalone, but it still can be done without much of the romance aspect as one major aspect of her story is about the importance of abandoning stereotypes...it wouldn't take much to tweak romance into friendship and visiting her brother's grave to have the question of the orbs semi-answered...Misae's arc would take more creative thinking to integrate though. If anything, though, the cat is more important than Misae in and of herself imho.

[Leo_Otaku]

Seeing how the pacing is going for 18 now, there must be something extra they will make.

[Proto]

Hmm... dunno... at this rhythm I could see them finishing both Kyou's and Tomoyo's route before 21... given that Nagisa's route has already been majorly developed through Fuuko's, I could see them making it in just 2-3 chapters.... I don't know what to think I guess ^_^

[Leo_Otaku]

Hmm... dunno... at this rhythm I could see them finishing both Kyou's and Tomoyo's route before 21... given that Nagisa's route has already been majorly developed through Fuuko's, I could see them making it in just 2-3 chapters.... I don't know what to think I guess ^_^

I was wondering about the After Story how they would include that and the Illusionary World they haven't covered much of it at all! I'll be very pissed if they take out Misae and Yukine story too. Plus how will they fit in Nagisa's play and so forth.... GAH >.< must know...

[mandarb916]

Hmm... dunno... at this rhythm I could see them finishing both Kyou's and Tomoyo's route before 21...

hm....Tomoyo's route doesn't have much more left in terms of contentable stuff:
Next week has the cherry blossom grove and why she transferred schools...from there, she becomes student board president, and Tomoya/Tomoyo have an 8mo. blank so Tomoyo will probably hit a hiatus upon being elected.

Kyou on the other hand is pretty much 100% romance related content...and well, Tomoya needs to first hookup with Ryo in order to have any meaningful plot development beyond that point with Kyou...

Maybe...
18 - Tomoyo story + Kyou/Ryou stagnation
19 - Tomoyo gets elected, Tomoya's asked by multiple parties not to hang out with Tomoyo, Kyou/Ryo intervene, start of Tomoyo hiatus
20 - Daily life shifts to monthly life mode: Ryo hooks up with Tomoya
21 - Ryo/Tomoya break-up; further development with Kyo/Tomoya
22 - 8mo. later, Tomoyo returns after she accomplishes her goal / stagnation of Tomoya/Kyo/Tomoyo
23 - Summary episode (does KyoAni do this?)
24 - Nagisa has to stay back another year due to absences from her illness + announcement of SII of Clannad?

Dunno...just speculation...

[Proto]

20 - Daily life shifts to monthly life mode: Ryo hooks up with Tomoya
21 - Ryo/Tomoya break-up; further development with Kyo/Tomoya

That's the problem actually. I cannot possibly see them pulling this off given all the development Nagisa has had. In the game it kind of worked 8even though it seemed kind of forced) because Tomoya was pretty much bored with his life but now...

[mandarb916]

That's the problem actually. I cannot possibly see them pulling this off given all the development Nagisa has had. In the game it kind of worked 8even though it seemed kind of forced) because Tomoya was pretty much bored with his life but now...

well, in the game, once nagisa falls ill, it does switch to fast-forward mode...

[Skyfall]

well, in the game, once nagisa falls ill, it does switch to fast-forward mode...

At that point Tomoya was long since dating Nagisa already though, so he didn't have much else to do so to speak. In anime he is not going out with Nagisa yet though (no thanks to Kyou), thus his relationship with her is not that deep, and he isn't living in her house either. Not saying it isn't possible altogether, but the circumstances are not alike. In game he was literally tied to Nagisa (living in her house + going out with her), and his interactions with the rest were not as deep. *shrug* we shall see

[Proto]

I meant, Ryou confesing to Tomoya and Tomoya accepting her confession. That is what will seem kind of contrived if they don't come up with some way of presenting it differently from the game

[mandarb916]

At that point Tomoya was long since dating Nagisa already though, so he didn't have much else to do so to speak. In anime he is not going out with Nagisa yet though (no thanks to Kyou), thus his relationship with her is not that deep, and he isn't living in her house either. Not saying it isn't possible altogether, but the circumstances are not alike. In game he was literally tied to Nagisa (living in her house + going out with her), and his interactions with the rest were not as deep. *shrug* we shall see

Well, at a similar point, Tomoyo's arc switches to fast forward mode once she's elected as student board pres, so it leaves, in theory, a huge timeframe for the ryo/kyo arc development. If it will go naturally with the #eps left and the current story development is another issue altogether.

The fact that Ryo/Kyo had a scene about Ryo feeling bad doing this while Nagisa is ill I think is and Kyo pushing it is somewhat indicative of the outline i suggested...though it would be really tacky :/

edit: while Tomoyo After was more or less a side-project of sorts, I think the fact that it exists points to a high importance with Tomoyo in the clannad universe in the original author's mind, to sound a bit cliche. I'm not sure how much sway the author has, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tomoyo story were presented with some degree of rivalry to Nagisa story towards the end either...

[germanturkey]

there's mention of a second season in a few previous posts. is there any official word on it? because i would absolutely love if that happened.

[Proto]

Nothing official, everything about the second season as to this day is a combination of 10% reading between the lines and 90% wishful thinking. Add 4% chocolate somewhere in there.

[Kristen]

So according to Wikipedia, the next four episodes are entitled:

The Secret Plan of Reversal
A New Life
A Hidden Past
Face Toward the School Festival


With the fourth one listed being Episode 21.

The title for episode 19 is a bit scary. I am sincerely hoping they mean it as "A new life for a main character" and not "A new life is born". But I see no way that Kyoani can wrap up every single arc in one episode to start on After Story.
By the sounds of this, I think that the next 3 are very Tomoyo specific. The fourth one sounds kind of Nagisa like...

Any speculation based on the titles?

[GyroidFanatic]

3. A Hidden Past

That one sounds like it could be Nagisa's route, talking about Akio and Sanae.

[Kristen]

That one sounds like it could be Nagisa's route, talking about Akio and Sanae.

It could be. The only reason why I would think differently is that I don't think they'll be wrapping anything up this week, and then February 21st is a break. They wouldn't want to get us into an arc, take a week off, and then end it the next week, would they? I know they did that with Kotomi by extending her ending 2 weeks instead of 1 (Since, after playing the game I realize that the ending part of that really could have been 1 week...)

[GyroidFanatic]

It could be. The only reason why I would think differently is that I don't think they'll be wrapping anything up this week, and then February 21st is a break. They wouldn't want to get us into an arc, take a week off, and then end it the next week, would they? I know they did that with Kotomi by extending her ending 2 weeks instead of 1 (Since, after playing the game I realize that the ending part of that really could have been 1 week...)
I don't think they intentionally take these breaks into consideration. They may not even know about them ahead of time enough to do anything about it.

[Bankai29]

Can they wrap up the Tomoyo and Kyou arcs...in just 2/3 episodes?...The way the episodes are moving maybe they can. But how about Yukine?...I'm really am confused with how it will go from episode 18 to Nagisa arc... :(

I want a Kyou After... :p

[mandarb916]

So according to Wikipedia, the next four episodes are entitled:

The Secret Plan of Reversal
A New Life
A Hidden Past
Face Toward the School Festival


With the fourth one listed being Episode 21.

The title for episode 19 is a bit scary. I am sincerely hoping they mean it as "A new life for a main character" and not "A new life is born". But I see no way that Kyoani can wrap up every single arc in one episode to start on After Story.
By the sounds of this, I think that the next 3 are very Tomoyo specific. The fourth one sounds kind of Nagisa like...

Any speculation based on the titles?

I'll take a stab:

Secret Plan of Reversal
Kyo plots to hook Ryo up with Tomoya over Tomoyo

A New Life
I don't think this is Nagisa's pregnancy arc since it's 「新しい生活」. If it were 「新しい命」 then it would probably be Ushio.　生活 = day to day life...so probably Tomoya moves in with the Furukawa family. In the game, Nagisa's past wasn't explained until Tomoya moved in with them right?...or am I imagining things here? Alternatively, though, if Tomoyo's reason for transferring only superficially mentions the cherry blossom groves and has no explanation as to why in the previous episode, this could also be delving into the Tomoyo story as Takafumi's attempted suicide did give her a new day-to-day life...but this doesn't foreshadow the next episode title that well...

A Hidden Past
Sanae/Akio's past and how it affected Nagisa...possibly how she was tied to the wellbeing of the city (though this didn't happen until Akio route in after story...they might compress it?)

Face Toward the School Festival
It looks like by this time, Nagisa has to remain an additional year to finish her 3rd year...so it looks like this is already into the after story...

[Skyfall]

A New Life
I don't think this is Nagisa's pregnancy arc since it's 「新しい生活」. If it were 「新しい命」 then it would probably be Ushio.　生活 = day to day life...so probably Tomoya moves in with the Furukawa family. In the game, Nagisa's past wasn't explained until Tomoya moved in with them right?...or am I imagining things here?

I believe this is the case. I can not realistically imagine the tile meaning anything else than Tomoya moving in with Nagisa. (Not like they can pull anything further down the road without even having the two hook up). And yes - her past was revealed after Tomoya moved in.

[todkapuz]

I'll take a stab:

Secret Plan of Reversal
Kyo plots to hook Ryo up with Tomoya over Tomoyo

A New Life
I don't think this is Nagisa's pregnancy arc since it's 「新しい生活」. If it were 「新しい命」 then it would probably be Ushio.　生活 = day to day life...so probably Tomoya moves in with the Furukawa family. In the game, Nagisa's past wasn't explained until Tomoya moved in with them right?...or am I imagining things here? Alternatively, though, if Tomoyo's reason for transferring only superficially mentions the cherry blossom groves and has no explanation as to why in the previous episode, this could also be delving into the Tomoyo story as Takafumi's attempted suicide did give her a new day-to-day life...but this doesn't foreshadow the next episode title that well...

A Hidden Past
Sanae/Akio's past and how it affected Nagisa...possibly how she was tied to the wellbeing of the city (though this didn't happen until Akio route in after story...they might compress it?)

Face Toward the School Festival
It looks like by this time, Nagisa has to remain an additional year to finish her 3rd year...so it looks like this is already into the after story...


If they are going to do any serious justice to the after story (and fit this in 24) then this above seems quite reasonable... but at this rate a lot of good stuff is going to hit the floor.... but then again, I suppose it is virtually impossible to travel every route in the anime... I mean... Clannad's routes are a bit.. well.. diverting.. in a number of areas.. :) But honestly, with what i saw in the recent episode... I can't see Tomoya going out with anyone else.. I mean he goes to the club room, he think of her first in the coin-trick, he ALMOST visits her... so there really isn't much of a way that Tomoyo or Ryou/Kyou will get much play (if they do, I'll go Tomoyo on his #$#) ... even though they all had good plays this week... it's harderd now to say Kotomi is still my favorite... Tomoyo and Kyou have earned a lot of points... guess I need to go see what Tomoyo -ever after is about (and hope that Kyoto decides to keep the titles rolling).

Mou... I want another 24 episodes!

[Kristen]

I'll take a stab:

Secret Plan of Reversal
Kyo plots to hook Ryo up with Tomoya over Tomoyo

A New Life
I don't think this is Nagisa's pregnancy arc since it's 「新しい生活」. If it were 「新しい命」 then it would probably be Ushio.　生活 = day to day life...so probably Tomoya moves in with the Furukawa family. In the game, Nagisa's past wasn't explained until Tomoya moved in with them right?...or am I imagining things here? Alternatively, though, if Tomoyo's reason for transferring only superficially mentions the cherry blossom groves and has no explanation as to why in the previous episode, this could also be delving into the Tomoyo story as Takafumi's attempted suicide did give her a new day-to-day life...but this doesn't foreshadow the next episode title that well...

A Hidden Past
Sanae/Akio's past and how it affected Nagisa...possibly how she was tied to the wellbeing of the city (though this didn't happen until Akio route in after story...they might compress it?)

Face Toward the School Festival
It looks like by this time, Nagisa has to remain an additional year to finish her 3rd year...so it looks like this is already into the after story...

So then it seems like my dreaded prediction may come true... I sure hope it doesn't.

[Zenemis]

That's more than fast forwarding, that's just whacky.

[Kinny Riddle]

In the original Tomoyo story, the reason for Tomoya's suspension was because he got caught trying to do some very naughty stuff to Tomoyo in the classroom after school (Yes, you read correctly).

Tomoya had to assault the teacher in order to cover for Tomoyo, making it look like Tomoyo was the innocent party so that she could get elected.

The Kyo-Ani adaptation now gives Tomoya a more noble cause to get himself suspended: All for the sake of Nagisa.

[velocity7]

Even if they do dump Tomoyo or Kyou, there's zero room for After Story here.

That said, wasn't there something said about Kyou and Tomoyo's routes being fully covered?

[mandarb916]

it'd be ballsy of KyoAni to make us think they're gonna follow one of the clannad routes (ie. nagisa afterstory) and somehow transition it, instead, to Tomoyo After :P (wishful thinking, I know, considering the content in the OP).

If they finish the AS Clannad route, don't know if Key/KyoAni could capitalize on TA since it would end up being non-cannonical....it'd probably bring some booing and what not from Clannad/TA fans.

[Proto]

In the original Tomoyo story, the reason for Tomoya's suspension was because he got caught trying to do some very naughty stuff to Tomoyo in the classroom after school (Yes, you read correctly).

Well... considering this is the gamers spoilers thread I'd guess most people here know about it :p


That said, wasn't there something said about Kyou and Tomoyo's routes being fully covered?

I seem to remember something on those lines, and if I recall correctly it was on this thread but my memory is too fuzzy right now >_<

[todkapuz]

Even if they do dump Tomoyo or Kyou, there's zero room for After Story here.

That said, wasn't there something said about Kyou and Tomoyo's routes being fully covered?

If that is so, I sure want to see Tomoyo in that compromising position... :) of coure that doesnt seem reasonable now considering the fight at the gate.

[Leo_Otaku]

I'll take a stab:

Secret Plan of Reversal
Kyo plots to hook Ryo up with Tomoya over Tomoyo

I agree with this it sounds like it makes complete sense

A New Life
I don't think this is Nagisa's pregnancy arc since it's 「新しい生活」. If it were 「新しい命」 then it would probably be Ushio.　生活 = day to day life...so probably Tomoya moves in with the Furukawa family. In the game, Nagisa's past wasn't explained until Tomoya moved in with them right?...or am I imagining things here? Alternatively, though, if Tomoyo's reason for transferring only superficially mentions the cherry blossom groves and has no explanation as to why in the previous episode, this could also be delving into the Tomoyo story as Takafumi's attempted suicide did give her a new day-to-day life...but this doesn't foreshadow the next episode title that well...

This Must be where Nagisa gets better I would think, This is probably Tomoyo's story like mentioned. Maybe a bit of Kyou/ Ryou in there.

A Hidden Past
Sanae/Akio's past and how it affected Nagisa...possibly how she was tied to the wellbeing of the city (though this didn't happen until Akio route in after story...they might compress it?) I was thinking this and or Kyou reveals her feels to Tomoya as well?

Face Toward the School Festival
It looks like by this time, Nagisa has to remain an additional year to finish her 3rd year...so it looks like this is already into the after story...

I wouldn't think so at all. This is probably her still in school practicing for the play. She doesn't repeat until after the play even. And when would they have practiced for the play? It could go on for a few episodes while we do secondary characters.

I was thinking they could shove in Misae's story in or try to do Yukine in parts...or in the remaining episodes while Nagisa practices.

For Misae's case blend it in more with Tomoyo and have it more explained in the later episodes. Since she helps her with running for president and all. As well if they are having the festival her orb is gained there.

Yukine could be possibly put in with Tomoyo too. But they have sort of had glimpses of her in various places. I think they could fit her in her into the plot.

The last episode could be where she preforms her play and gets really ill. Tomoya graduates and then Toshio story?They then find out she has to repeat . The preview will be for season 2 Clannad~ After Story announcement. They could then have Kappei in there XD And so much more possibilities.... >.>

I just can not see them making the after story for 4 episodes they only have like 3 or 4 god damn orbs! They can't even get the after story they don't qualify! Unless they do stuff!

Nothing official, everything about the second season as to this day is a combination of 10% reading between the lines and 90% wishful thinking. Add 4% chocolate somewhere in there.

And very reliable Moon Phase :D

[bladeofdarkness]

we all know that both air and kanon were at first adult games and later made in to an all ages anime
clannad was an all ages game from the start
since kyo ani changed the format of the games from adult to all ages (most dating sim turned anime do this)
could they do the reverse with clannad

hear me out
having seen kyou and tomoya's lockeroom scene in ep 17 and finding their responce much more mature then most anime it made me wonder
in many other shows of this kind you have a male lead who could only be called the loser hero
we all know him as the guy who either gets punched out the roof by any female he happens to see naked
or starts to bleed out the nose at the very idea anything of a sexual nature
however in some of the newer animes like EF or school days they have used sex as a large part of the plot without having to overtly depict the act itself
in all the kyoani animes (yukito,kyon,u1,and now tomoya) the male lead is always made of better stuff then you standerd anime loser hero
and yet anything of a romantic nature is always limited to at best a kiss


in air misuzu is so much younger then yukito that any romantic relationship between the two seems wrong
and in kanon u1 and ayu's relationship comes out of nowhere at the end of ep 19 making even the kiss between them seem sudden
but in clannad we already know from the plot and character development that tomoya will end up with nagisa
at this point its made absolutly clear that they love each other and are just somewhat emberesed to admit it (one has to wonder how ep 15 would have ended if not for kyou's and later mei's interference)
their relationship is neither sudden or straind by anything as its even shown in ep 17 that when nagisa is gone tomoya spends most of his time missing her

there for my question is this
nevermind the game scipt
if kyoani takes the plot beyond the game and at the point where tomoya and nagisa finally confese their feelings to one another in a situation that seems logical and that would make such a thing possible
what if they end up making love
would that be a bad thing

after all we know they have sex at somepoint in the after story
they are married and have a kid

once again
i'm not talking about having kyo ani animate the act itself but to make it clear that the two have slept toghether (seeing them kiss in one scene and then showing tomoya waking up with nagisa sleeping beside him)
would that be wrong

[Kristen]

I just can not see them making the after story for 4 episodes they only have like 3 or 4 god damn orbs! They can't even get the after story they don't qualify! Unless they do stuff!

If we're going by the orbs, there are 13 in the end (Plus one eaten up by Fuuko). Since it seems that they are doing a new orb every DVD, that would mean that After Story would have to start episode 7 of S2 and run for 18 episodes. That would make a 24 episode second season.

Anyone like that theory? :p

[Zenemis]

I hope it turns out like that ;o

That'd be nice.

[Kristen]

we all know that both air and kanon were at first adult games and later made in to an all ages anime
clannad was an all ages game from the start
since kyo ani changed the format of the games from adult to all ages (most dating sim turned anime do this)
could they do the reverse with clannad

hear me out
having seen kyou and tomoya's lockeroom scene in ep 17 and finding their responce much more mature then most anime it made me wonder
in many other shows of this kind you have a male lead who could only be called the loser hero
we all know him as the guy who either gets punched out the roof by any female he happens to see naked
or starts to bleed out the nose at the very idea anything of a sexual nature
however in some of the newer animes like EF or school days they have used sex as a large part of the plot without having to overtly depict the act itself
in all the kyoani animes (yukito,kyon,u1,and now tomoya) the male lead is always made of better stuff then you standerd anime loser hero
and yet anything of a romantic nature is always limited to at best a kiss


in air misuzu is so much younger then yukito that any romantic relationship between the two seems wrong
and in kanon u1 and ayu's relationship comes out of nowhere at the end of ep 19 making even the kiss between them seem sudden
but in clannad we already know from the plot and character development that tomoya will end up with nagisa
at this point its made absolutly clear that they love each other and are just somewhat emberesed to admit it (one has to wonder how ep 15 would have ended if not for kyou's and later mei's interference)
their relationship is neither sudden or straind by anything as its even shown in ep 17 that when nagisa is gone tomoya spends most of his time missing her

there for my question is this
nevermind the game scipt
if kyoani takes the plot beyond the game and at the point where tomoya and nagisa finally confese their feelings to one another in a situation that seems logical and that would make such a thing possible
what if they end up making love
would that be a bad thing

after all we know they have sex at somepoint in the after story
they are married and have a kid

once again
i'm not talking about having kyo ani animate the act itself but to make it clear that the two have slept toghether (seeing them kiss in one scene and then showing tomoya waking up with nagisa sleeping beside him)
would that be wrong

I kind of feel like it would be wrong for this anime. A lot of the animes that show sex scenes without anything pornographic have certain themes to them. Like, EF was all about memories, and School Days was all about corrupt love. KGNE was the same way, corrupt love. Kanon was about boy girl relationships, so sex was fine there too. Air was about Mother-Daughter relationships, so while this is the most tenacious of all of them, I can see sex in certain regards.
However, Clannad is about family. And when I think of family, I think of a family walking in the park, not two people sleeping together. I feel that sex kind of un-families a family, if that makes sense. It makes it seem less real, almost.
So, I think that Kyoani is not going to even hint at actual sex occurring, other than showing that Nagisa and Tomoya have a daughter. It keeps the show pure in regards to family.

[bladeofdarkness]

Clannad is about family. And when I think of family, I think of a family walking in the park, not two people sleeping together. I feel that sex kind of un-families a family, if that makes sense. It makes it seem less real, almost.

1)family is (or at least should be) first and formost about one thing : love (without love {at least at first} there can be no family)

2)during the past 2000 years religions of all kind and creed have created an image that sex is somthing wrong that you sould be ashamed of and is only ok if done for the sake of having children (some even going so far as to labal all women as dirty and sinful)
thats why they are so dead set against homosextualty and condom use
becouse those are expressions of sex for the entertaiment value rather then breeding
and after 2000 years worth of damage that these ideas have coused we (modern society) have come to relate to sex as a bad thing
even today in the modern world the words"sex and violance" somehow became a single term rather then being clearly set apart from each other
violance is a bad thing and yet of the two it is more excepable then sex in both tv and books (wolverine can chop of a guys head but show a breast and its out)
there is absolutly nothing wrong with sex (unless there is violance of any kind involved)
and in this case i think sex would serve as an expression of love most of all

[Zenemis]

I do believe what you say is right, bladeofdarkness, but I still believe that familial love is the primary concept in Clannad.

[mandarb916]

I wouldn't think so at all. This is probably her still in school practicing for the play. She doesn't repeat until after the play even. And when would they have practiced for the play? It could go on for a few episodes while we do secondary characters.


hm...well, it really depends...there's Souritsusha Sai which is the founder's festival. Gakuen Sai is school festival, which was never in the original game....in some cases, the two and the one can be the same.

I suppose they might cram another festival in to tie in Nagisa's performance, Tomoyo's first duty as student board president, and misae route with shima...

[Miles Teg]

You could find spoiler of episodes 18 to 21 on the Newtype web site

http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/detail0024080208.html

[Klashikari]

You could find spoiler of episodes 18 to 21 on the Newtype web site

http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/detail0024080208.html

surprisingly, they messed up the date, since episode 19 will be delayed for 1 week.

Now for the spoilers, vaguely:
18: Tomoya excluded for 3 days. Tomoyo feeling guilty and everyone paying a visit, with bento etc (nothing new, just like the preview). Will continue a bit Tomoyo's route
19: Big flag ahead: tomoya moving in the Furukawa house.
20: Episode on Nagisa's play
21: preparations of the play, for the school festival.

looks like they sure don't want to put a break between the progress of the plot.

[Kristen]

surprisingly, they messed up the date, since episode 19 will be delayed for 1 week.

Now for the spoilers, vaguely:
18: Tomoya excluded for 3 days. Tomoyo feeling guilty and everyone paying a visit, with bento etc (nothing new, just like the preview). Will continue a bit Tomoyo's route
19: Big flag ahead: tomoya moving in the Furukawa house.
20: Episode on Nagisa's play
21: preparations of the play, for the school festival.

looks like they sure don't want to put a break between the progress of the plot.

If 19 is the start of Nagisa's route... Is there any way that what is not covered in her route so far could be stretched over 6 episodes? This is just her route, not the After Story portion.

[Klashikari]

If 19 is the start of Nagisa's route... Is there any way that what is not covered in her route so far could be stretched over 6 episodes? This is just her route, not the After Story portion.
That might be true, but there is still the period where she falls ill, endangering and failing her graduation.
Therefore, they can put a way so the confession happens at that point.

Aside of this, the event with her play isn't the climatic end of her route, but her graduation issue is.
Hence, they still can put Tomoyo and Kyou in the meantime... well kinda. it will depends how Nagisa will receive her phoenix down :heh:

[Kristen]

That might be true, but there is still the period where she falls ill, endangering and failing her graduation.
Therefore, they can put a way so the confession happens at that point.

Aside of this, the event with her play isn't the climatic end of her route, but her graduation issue is.
Hence, they still can put Tomoyo and Kyou in the meantime... well kinda. it will depends how Nagisa will receive her phoenix down :heh:

Ah. So then knowing what we do, there is still the possibility that the routes will run to the end of the season, and we won't start After Story. That's a bit of a relief.

[velocity7]

Looking over MOONPHASE's summaries again... my current interpretation (not exactly a translation) of the text is:

Episode 18 is self-explanatory, you already know what to expect.

Episode 19, Tomoya decides to leave his home and live with the Furukawas. This is dangerously Nagisa route.

Episode 20, School Festival is coming up, Tomoya likely learns about the Illusionary World story that Nagisa has, as well as her past and how she might have come across the story in the first place. Nagisa route.

Episode 21, Nagisa's likely to find out why Sanae and Akio run a bakery and have been hiding her past from her. Nagisa route.

Now, Klashikari already mentioned that there is a guaranteed Tomoyo and Kyou route. However, this won't happen in the remaining three episodes left after episode 21. Not only that, Kyou's route requires the School Festival at the same time, which is now impossible with the current universe at the moment. Tomoyo's route, same thing.

[mandarb916]

Now, Klashikari already mentioned that there is a guaranteed Tomoyo and Kyou route. However, this won't happen in the remaining three episodes left after episode 21. Not only that, Kyou's route requires the School Festival at the same time, which is now impossible with the current universe at the moment. Tomoyo's route, same thing.

Well, not part of the actual Kyou route, but she does actually make an appearance in the AS...and if i recall properly, she does hint a little at still liking tomoya at that point.

[velocity7]

Well, not part of the actual Kyou route, but she does actually make an appearance in the AS...and if i recall properly, she does hint a little at still liking tomoya at that point.

Yes, she does, but at that point it's pretty much impossible for her route to exist there.

[Reckoner]

It seems pretty obvious to me that there is going to be a second season (Or at least there should be).

The only way they can fit all these arcs would be to change the way the Nagisa arc rolls out and scratch any Nagisa/Tomoya romance. That ain't happening (Although I wish it would :upset:) so we'll see...

[Leo_Otaku]

With the new information gained I'm believeing there is Clannad After Story ^-^ Join the boat! :D They could pull a Kyou somewhere they could change certain aspects of it to fit in, but she would get rejected >.> Tomoyo could work too just minus romance.

[minhtam1638]

Question: Tomoya and Nagisa's daughter is Ushio, right? Doesn't "Ushio" mean "behind"? I'm thinking that may portray something in this story.

[Proto]

You have to take two things into account

1. Japanese is full, replete and stuffed with homonyms. There are dozens of words that sounds the same... and yet they have radically different meanings because of the Kanji they are written with.

2. Behind in Japanese is actually Ushiro (後ろ) :p

Ushio's name is written with the 汐 kanji, which stands for the night tide.

[Kristen]

You have to take two things into account

1. Japanese is full, replete and stuffed with homonyms. There are dozens of words that sounds the same... and yet they have radically different meanings because of the Kanji they are written with.

2. Behind in Japanese is actually Ushiro (後ろ) :p

Ushio's name is written with the 汐 kanji, which stands for the night tide.

Really? And doesn't Nagisa's name mean "Shore"? It makes me wonder... Do you be chance know what Tomoya means?

[Proto]

Tomoya is written 朋也. The first kanji, 朋 is easy since it is one of the Kanji's associated with friend or companion. 也 becomes a little more difficult, but our friend the Kanji dictionary tells us that it is a Kanji classicaly used as a suffix indicating strong identity or affirmation.

[Kinny Riddle]

Nagisa's name literally means "beach", hence her naming of Ushio (tides) to symbolize Nagisa receiving her child, and also that one day the two will part ways, besides Ushio is a gender neutral name, so it suits either a boy or a girl.

[mandarb916]

Nagisa's name literally means "beach", hence her naming of Ushio (tides) to symbolize Nagisa receiving her child, and also that one day the two will part ways,

You also forgot that the name Ushio was also chosen so that even when the tide moves on, it will always find its way back to the "beach"

[todkapuz]

You also forgot that the name Ushio was also chosen so that even when the tide moves on, it will always find its way back to the "beach"

yeah that was one of the most important parts of that section when I translated it... that she will come back again :)

[Kristen]

Sorry that it took me a while to get back to this. I kind of, well, forgot to reply. :p

1)family is (or at least should be) first and formost about one thing : love (without love {at least at first} there can be no family)
Yes, it definately is about love. But I kind of feel like sex is a different kind of love than familial love. Sex is a lot about self, in that people want to do it to pleasure themselves. The converse is "I do it to pleasure my partner." In other words, doing it so that your partner can gain something for an amount of time and be happy. Again, that's self for the other person.
Compare that to a family oriented activity. Let's say it's a family playing a board game. Sure, there's a lot of fun in that for self, but a lot of the game is just for sheer enjoyment of being with the family for that time. Or going out for a hike one day ending in a picnic. That's more to be with the ones you love than to pleasure yourself.
I don't know if it makes any sense, what I'm saying, but basically what I'm getting at is that there are many ways to love. Sex is just a very selfish act, while other familial activities are very group oriented.

2)during the past 2000 years religions of all kind and creed have created an image that sex is somthing wrong that you sould be ashamed of and is only ok if done for the sake of having children (some even going so far as to labal all women as dirty and sinful)
thats why they are so dead set against homosextualty and condom use
becouse those are expressions of sex for the entertaiment value rather then breeding
and after 2000 years worth of damage that these ideas have coused we (modern society) have come to relate to sex as a bad thing
even today in the modern world the words"sex and violance" somehow became a single term rather then being clearly set apart from each other
violance is a bad thing and yet of the two it is more excepable then sex in both tv and books (wolverine can chop of a guys head but show a breast and its out)
there is absolutly nothing wrong with sex (unless there is violance of any kind involved)
and in this case i think sex would serve as an expression of love most of all
Well, I'm not going to argue against or for this topic in it's nature. What I am going to say is that regardless of whether this is true or not, a lot of viewers do not have the rebellious or insightful thinking such as this. You want to conform to stereotypes when trying to portray a theme, unless you want to make a statement about it. And I don't think Kyoani wants to say "Sex is good!" in an anime about family, since the theme is about the value of a family. They WILL seriously dilute that theme if they depict Nagisa and Tomoya in a sex scene or showing that they have had sex.





For speculations, I was wondering... What if Kyoani does School life in 23 episodes to include all major girls, and also include Okazaki's father, since that is kind of pivotal. Then in the last episode they show everyone happy, and also show Nagisa and Tomoya with Ushio? I'd hate the ending, and it'd certainly be less meaningful, but I think that's a way to end it in 24 with some sort of conclusion...

[velocity7]

Looks like in episode 18, both Kyou and Tomoyo are gonna get dumped over Nagisa at the same time. That said, it means both their routes will not be covered for the time being.

Still won't be enough time for After Story though.

[mandarb916]

For speculations, I was wondering... What if Kyoani does School life in 23 episodes to include all major girls, and also include Okazaki's father, since that is kind of pivotal. Then in the last episode they show everyone happy, and also show Nagisa and Tomoya with Ushio? I'd hate the ending, and it'd certainly be less meaningful, but I think that's a way to end it in 24 with some sort of conclusion...

That would be a disaster imho...
Okazaki's father's event was able to occur because of the sheer hardship that Tomoya faced with the passing of Nagisa. Sanae setting up the meeting between Tomoya and grandma, and grandma talking about how Tomoya's father sacrificed everything to provide for a life for Tomoya and the parallels between Tomoya/Ushio and Father/Tomoya.

It was also following this scene which, imho, had the strongest impact in terms of story where Tomoya finally accepted Nagisa back into his life...similar to Kotomi finally welcoming her deceased parents back into her life.

Without Nagisa's death, the pivotal scene would just be extremely shallow...without Ushio's death, the dreamworld makes no sense either...

[velocity7]

I have a feeling we won't see a full showing of Kyou and Tomoyo's routes until much, much later in the series. Hmm...

[Klashikari]

Looks like in episode 18, both Kyou and Tomoyo are gonna get dumped over Nagisa at the same time. That said, it means both their routes will not be covered for the time being.

Still won't be enough time for After Story though.
Yes episode 18 most likely put a closure to the twins route in a very nice way, though bittersweet.

Considering how Tomoya went on another further step with Nagisa, we can most likely speculate there will be some even with Naoyuki in episode 19, then he will move out to the Furukawa Bakery.

As for Tomoyo's route, it will most likely spread for the remaining episodes, but obviously without tomoya around. Just like how Tomoyo was in Nagisa's route. (i hope they won't forget takafumi)

[velocity7]

Yes episode 18 most likely put a closure to the twins route in a very nice way, though bittersweet.

Considering how Tomoya went on another further step with Nagisa, we can most likely speculate there will be some even with Naoyuki in episode 19, then he will move out to the Furukawa Bakery.

As for Tomoyo's route, it will most likely spread for the remaining episodes, but obviously without tomoya around. Just like how Tomoyo was in Nagisa's route. (i hope they won't forget takafumi)

Yeah, bittersweet but unfortunately does not get Tomoya any lights. :p

[mandarb916]

(i hope they won't forget takafumi)

Name might not be brought up, but pretty sure Takafumi will be part of Tomoyo's route (unless they totally butcher it) since there's a wheelchair scene in Tomoyo's OP sequence

[Kaisos Erranon]

You know, this may seem horrible, but if they're going to do a second season, I'd like to see the first end with Nagisa's death, if only to slap the viewers in the face with the emotional impact.

It'd be a really risky move on KyoAni's part, but it'd be DIFFERENT. Kinda.

[velocity7]

Well, Nagisa's death and then Ushio's death, and then the part about having to collect lights. Maybe then we'll get a time warp back to School Life where Tomoya has to get Tomoyo and Kyou's lights, obviously in the same way the game did.

It's not like Tomoya needs seven lights right now to head into After Story, but I'd feel comfortable if KyoAni took this approach. Needless to say, Ushio's death and a time warp does have to happen by the end of Ushio's route, and not even KyoAni can stop that.

[Klashikari]

Name might not be brought up, but pretty sure Takafumi will be part of Tomoyo's route (unless they totally butcher it) since there's a wheelchair scene in Tomoyo's OP sequence
Well Takafumi was shown in episode 18. I was just wondering if they won't forgot him at the graduation period and/or when Tomoyo finally achieve the protection of the sakura trees.

Well, Nagisa's death and then Ushio's death, and then the part about having to collect lights. Maybe then we'll get a time warp back to School Life where Tomoya has to get Tomoyo and Kyou's lights, obviously in the same way the game did.

It's not like Tomoya needs seven lights right now to head into After Story, but I'd feel comfortable if KyoAni took this approach. Needless to say, Ushio's death and a time warp does have to happen by the end of Ushio's route, and not even KyoAni can stop that.
I wonder if they really can do some back and forth, until you press everyone else orb (from AS) before the time warp.
So, Yuusuke, Sanae, Akio, Naoyuki

Obviously, Kappei will be obliterated, while it is still possible to do mei/youhei with the time warp *scratches his head*. But considering the time left, i don't think they can cover until Nagisa and ushio's death.

[velocity7]

Well Takafumi was shown in episode 18. I was just wondering if they won't forgot him at the graduation period and/or when Tomoyo finally achieve the protection of the sakura trees.


I wonder if they really can do some back and forth, until you press everyone else orb (from AS) before the time warp.
So, Yuusuke, Sanae, Akio, Naoyuki

Obviously, Kappei will be obliterated, while it is still possible to do mei/youhei with the time warp *scratches his head*. But considering the time left, i don't think they can cover until Nagisa and ushio's death.

Actually, in a scenario where Tomoya picks Kyou as his girl, Kappei's route could be written in as well. Would be kind of interesting.

[mandarb916]

Actually, in a scenario where Tomoya picks Kyou as his girl, Kappei's route could be written in as well.

It's already alluded to in Kyou's route...she mentions that Ryo met someone (i believe in rehab) at the hospital she works at

[velocity7]

Yeah it is, but it could be rewritten so Tomoya gets involved. ;)

[Skyfall]

Yes, it definately is about love. But I kind of feel like sex is a different kind of love than familial love. Sex is a lot about self, in that people want to do it to pleasure themselves. The converse is "I do it to pleasure my partner." In other words, doing it so that your partner can gain something for an amount of time and be happy. Again, that's self for the other person.
Compare that to a family oriented activity. Let's say it's a family playing a board game. Sure, there's a lot of fun in that for self, but a lot of the game is just for sheer enjoyment of being with the family for that time. Or going out for a hike one day ending in a picnic. That's more to be with the ones you love than to pleasure yourself.
I don't know if it makes any sense, what I'm saying, but basically what I'm getting at is that there are many ways to love. Sex is just a very selfish act, while other familial activities are very group oriented.


Well, I'm not going to argue against or for this topic in it's nature. What I am going to say is that regardless of whether this is true or not, a lot of viewers do not have the rebellious or insightful thinking such as this. You want to conform to stereotypes when trying to portray a theme, unless you want to make a statement about it. And I don't think Kyoani wants to say "Sex is good!" in an anime about family, since the theme is about the value of a family. They WILL seriously dilute that theme if they depict Nagisa and Tomoya in a sex scene or showing that they have had sex.



You seem to be assigning a somewhat negative label towards the act, which is something i can not agree with. I don't get why you are trying to build some sort of a wall between "family love" and "making love" ... the two are not mutually exclusive and can very easily coexist. Especially given the nature of Tomoya's and Nagisa's relationship ... can you really argue that is some form of lustful or "impure" love ? You say "Kyoani won't want to show that "sex is good" ... so you are saying it is necessarily "bad" ? Though given the context i would find it hard pressed to find any message about nature of sex at all. Never mind the fact that everything tied to the theme is highly subjective anyway, as is your take on sex, which i don't necessarily agree with.

I fail to see how doing a classic "kiss before night-fade to morning" (or other classic implication device) would cheapen the theme or their relationship at all, never mind to some great lengths you suggest. (This is where Ushio and the "family" comes from anyway). You are pushing it to the extreme end of the argument as if we are in danger of seeing a full-blown sex scene with all details up front. Now that possibly could "cheapen" the theme, (though even then i would say not as much as you would imply, as i don't see how it would somehow portray family as a less important social entity). Never the less that is not the case.


For speculations, I was wondering... What if Kyoani does School life in 23 episodes to include all major girls, and also include Okazaki's father, since that is kind of pivotal. Then in the last episode they show everyone happy, and also show Nagisa and Tomoya with Ushio? I'd hate the ending, and it'd certainly be less meaningful, but I think that's a way to end it in 24 with some sort of conclusion...

That would simply be horrible and i can't picture them doing so either. Anime only watchers would scream for murder because something not making any sense (for them) just happened for no good reason and without explanations, and game players would scream murder because of the butchering of the story. Clannad would turn in to nothing far from failure with so horrendously butchered end.

That said, KyoAni like to stick to their source material rather closely, so i have faith in them. If Clannad is indeed going to be 24 episodes (which i find rather hard to swallow given current state of affairs), then ... i have no clue. There is simply too much for so little time to make anything decent out of it without obliterating or flying over large chinks of the story.

[Leo_Otaku]

LMAO poor Kappei being obliterated XD What do you guys think about Misae's story? How will this get placed?

I just really have a feeling of season two. As I said before where Tomoyo goes and graduates and Nagisa says for another year. Why does Haruhi have to come up next 0_o *eye twitch*

[Kaisos Erranon]

LMAO poor Kappei being obliterated XD What do you guys think about Misae's story? How will this get placed?

I just really have a feeling of season two. As I said before where Tomoyo goes and graduates and Nagisa says for another year. Why does Haruhi have to come up next 0_o *eye twitch*

Because Haruhi fans have been waiting for two whole years.

And there's unfortunately no guarantee that Haruhi will come up next.

Also, this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1399923&postcount=52) made me laugh due to the irony.

[velocity7]

Oh, the irony when she does die. :heh:

[Hypernova]

Oh, the irony when she does die. :heh:

But will she in the anime though? Probably not.

[velocity7]

Not within the next 6 episodes, no.

[Kaisos Erranon]

Not within the next 6 episodes, no.

Again, I'd love KyoAni forever if they ended the first season with her death.

Just to make people go all "holy &$#%".

[Zenemis]

It'd be an "End of First Arc, in Second Season" thing, I think.

[Kaisos Erranon]

It'd be an "End of First Arc, in Second Season" thing, I think.

But then how would they end the first season?

[Hypernova]

I don't think that would work, given the nature of the plot it IMO it would turn into KGNE.

[Zenemis]

But then how would they end the first season?

The game's way, before the After Story.

End the first season on an up(ish)-note.

Then kick them in the nuts later.

[Klashikari]

Ending Nagisa's route with her "failed graduation" period is a nice touch, because it is open, their relationship is working, and Nagisa achieved to overcome her weaknesses etc.

[mandarb916]

man...maybe it was because the AS was too friggin long...while this won't change...i'm pretty fed up with Nagisa's screen-time. I suppose it has to do a little bit with a "fantasy" aspect involved in the Nagisa route whereas Tomoyo/Kyo/Ryo routes are actually believable (except the exaggerated parts).

I know this isn't exactly a "real life relationship simulator" but...

ep18 left me yearning for a Kyou After even if it were to be a bitter ending like Tomoyo After....there's so much more intrinsic beauty, imho, in a believable story than with some fantasy aspects involved to wrap things up happily...

[Klashikari]

ep18 left me yearning for a Kyou After even if it were to be a bitter ending like Tomoyo After....there's so much more intrinsic beauty, imho, in a believable story than with some fantasy aspects involved to wrap things up happily...
It is very unlikely a "Kyou after" would be created.

The reason is that there isn't much a way to bring "drama" among Tomoya and Kyou if they are a couple: both are graduated on the same year and they don't have much incompatible trouble. Ryou is with Kappei, so no stirring conflict.

in TA, considering Tomoya has to go on as an adult, while being with Tomoyo, it is most likely ending with many troubles, especially with Takafumi and Tomo around (and obviously Kanako).
Nagisa has her own issues, health and such.

Considering Kyou's family which is never mentioned, it is very likely they are only 2 sisters, and there isn't anything "odd" aside of the competition among the twins. Hence the reason why I believe a spin off would be extremely superficial (despite Kyou is pretty much my top 1-2 character) or they would need to retcon many things.
This goes the same for Kotomi and Fuuko, where the first one would be rather a "ayu" without much to convey, while Kotomi's issues are done for.

I don't see how any other girl aside of Tomoyo and Nagisa would have a proper subsequent sequel of their route.

[mandarb916]

Well, it was wishful thinking to begin with...

however, while the kyou arc in and of itself doesn't give rise to much potential drama/issues/problems that would be visual novel worthy, Kyou's appearance in the After Story does give a non-cannonical path for Key to take as there's still allusion of Kyou having feelings towards Tomoya. At the same time she does mention that there's something that would most likely surprise Tomoya at the sports festival (which is never clarified...perhaps it'll be one of the added scenes in the full voice over...or not since Ushio falls ill right before the sports festival lol).

One thing that struck me (positively) when Kyou made her sudden appearance in the AS was the importance of friends. Up until that point in the AS, the story was devoid of Tomoya's HS period friends except for Sunohara on one or two short occasions (not including nagisa's private graduation ceremony).

Assuming Ushio's death as a starting point with a Kyo After type scenario, I think there's a very strong opportunity to create a story that's on the caliber of TA...the trials and tribulations resulting from 2 extremely close deaths...therein lies potential for tremendous misunderstandings, personal and social growth, and ultimately moving on with life for better or for worse. I suppose a little cliche'd, but a non-cannon story following Ushio's death I think has just too many good opportunities (even if it weren't Kyou specific) to be explored.

[Kristen]

So, I kind of have a bit of a weird question/speculation.

Is it at all possible for there to be an extension of the series? Like, they announced the official DVD count at 8. But, is it possible to announce that they are increaing it to 12, once it's already been announced, and continue the series even after April 3rd?

[Klashikari]

So, I kind of have a bit of a weird question/speculation.

Is it at all possible for there to be an extension of the series? Like, they announced the official DVD count at 8. But, is it possible to announce that they are increaing it to 12, once it's already been announced, and continue the series even after April 3rd?

For the DVD, it is possible. However, it will only work if the TV season is confirmed to be extended.
The problem here is to see what comes after CLANNAD in the tv channel scheldule, especially TBS. (IIRC, they must reserve the TV slots several months in advance)

[Kristen]

For the DVD, it is possible. However, it will only work if the TV season is confirmed to be extended.
The problem here is to see what comes after CLANNAD in the tv channel scheldule, especially TBS. (IIRC, they must reserve the TV slots several months in advance)

Has TBS announced it's spring schedule yet? Or more importantly, Bs-i? Because they'd need both of them to announce an extension for it to work...

[velocity7]

This (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1400561&postcount=139) and this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1400613&postcount=145) is an example of someone who was well deceived by the dating sim disguise. :heh:

[Leo_Otaku]

Because Haruhi fans have been waiting for two whole years.

And there's unfortunately no guarantee that Haruhi will come up next.

Also, this post (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1399923&postcount=52) made me laugh due to the irony.

They sound like they are are 15 at least >.> Man I hate teenage on a flaming spam mission :heh:

I do like Haruhi too, but the instant popularity sort of annoyed me a bit. Ithas been two years *blink* wow it seems like it was just yesterday...yesterday....

[Joachim]

LMAO poor Kappei being obliterated XD What do you guys think about Misae's story?

misae story is another good one, even more interesting than tomoyo's story IMO, it can be pulled because i can see it can be altered without tomoya's confession, but seeing the remaining episode.. i remain skeptical :heh:

[Joachim]

This (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1400561&postcount=139) and this (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1400613&postcount=145) is an example of someone who was well deceived by the dating sim disguise. :heh:

forgive them, they were a victim :heh: most people upon seeing clannad (without prior game knowledge) will think its equal to kimikiss and other romance genre (where main hero got confused and need to pick one of the girls) and boy how wrong they are when they watch clannad with that kind of view :heh:

[velocity7]

forgive them, they were a victim :heh: most people upon seeing clannad (without prior game knowledge) will think its equal to kimikiss and other romance genre (where main hero got confused and need to pick one of the girls) and boy how wrong they are when they watch clannad with that kind of view :heh:

I hate to sound elitist, but I agree with you there.:heh:

[Sessyl]

All the nagisa bashing pains me, her route is definitely the best imho. And.. Nagisa is not a weak character!

[Zenemis]

I certainly thought it was, but that was looking on without having seen either the game or the tv series.

Boy, am I glad I picked up this little gem :P

Nagisa *was* quite weak, but hearing her confidently say "I'm Furukawa Nagisa, I'm forming the Drama Club" stood out to me as a statement of confidence :)

I would like to hear the "I love a girl called Furukawa Nagisa, please don't say bad things about her" line.

[Proto]

Personally I can't wait for the later part of Nagisa arc to be animated just so all the people who call her shallow can shut up. Personally I have to contain myself and not to spoil everything :heh:

Anyway, despite my earlier fears, I think KyoAni did quite a good work with the handling of Tomoyo's and Kyou's arc. i was either this or not touching them at all (or having to resort to some weird story telling). Either case I'm glad they did what they did.

[todkapuz]

I certainly thought it was, but that was looking on without having seen either the game or the tv series.

Boy, am I glad I picked up this little gem :P

Nagisa *was* quite weak, but hearing her confidently say "I'm Furukawa Nagisa, I'm forming the Drama Club" stood out to me as a statement of confidence :)

I would like to hear the "I love a girl called Furukawa Nagisa, please don't say bad things about her" line.

I think that is truly something that is being missed in the episode review areas... I'm not saying the other girl's haven't changed, that wouldn't be true... but the change and development of Nagisa ... and the development yet to come ... that is what it is all about... yet... I still will profess my love of the Kotomi arc... and I still find Fuuko silly at times.... but this is the way it has to be to connect all the points and arrive where we must go.


But still... KyoAni... please tell me you will get there without leaving half of the important stuff on the floor.

[Kinny Riddle]

Ah, finally, some refuge from the almost Shuffle like fanboysim bashing.

i don't understand how people can actually bother replying to this ****** kid when his responses are "lolz nop ur wrong, nagisa should die!!!1"

This post pretty much sums up what most of us here think of that fanboy. I believe it's time to leave him alone and let him live in his little world of denial. :cool:

[Klashikari]

Personally I can't wait for the later part of Nagisa arc to be animated just so all the people who call her shallow can shut up. Personally I have to contain myself and not to spoil everything :heh:
My feelings exactly, especially after the "OMG, GTFO from MY KOTOM ROUTE" and episode 18 fuss.
I think there is a lack of "comparison" between the start of the series and the end of the series (as most people just think Nagisa is plainly the same *sigh*)



Anyway, job message:
While I'm not exactly the one to talk about "how to respond to some people" due of episode 18, please stay on-topic (not aimed at anyone, it is just already sidetracking).

Again, let's avoid character, or member bashing. Even if it looks overboard, it is a "way" to "enjoy" the show as well.

[The_TempesT]

Personally I can't wait for the later part of Nagisa arc to be animated just so all the people who call her shallow can shut up. Personally I have to contain myself and not to spoil everything :heh:

Anyway, despite my earlier fears, I think KyoAni did quite a good work with the handling of Tomoyo's and Kyou's arc. i was either this or not touching them at all (or having to resort to some weird story telling). Either case I'm glad they did what they did.

/agreed, hopefully some of the bashing will end after this is all said and done. I'm sure KyoAni will portray her arc perfectly and soften some peoples hearts.

[Divini]

You know, there's 4 events in particular that I wanted to see from Kyou/Ryou's arc:

1. Crying in the rain
2. Forest confession
3. Dating Sunohara
4. Cutting her hair

With ep18... err no chance of 3 or 4 happening eh? And 2 is looking pretty slim (but it could happen). #1 is shown in the OP at least, so maybe...

[Klashikari]

No, i think the first three might happen.

But indeed, dating Youhei is quite difficult, as it was an attempt to make herself distant, so she won't be in Ryou's way.
We "might" imagine a scenario where Kyou wants to lift up Ryou's guilt by doing that, and also trying to feel less about Tomoya.
And much like in the game, Tomoya might intercept that, and the drama with the rain scene will happen.

Yeah, it is a bit stretchy, depends of the execution and timing. That said, there is plenty possibilities to do the crying in the rain scene alone.

[Sessyl]

Judging from the preview which is likely the part where tomoya lives with nagisa, very slim.

[Joachim]

while kyou still has some chances to have some of her arc scenes, i don't really think tomoyo will have it, whats left in her story anyway, flashback check, she go into tomoya's house to cook for him check, she become school president check, whats left of it?

- the break up and long one that is, well impossible i guess
- waiting for tomoya in the sakura park in winter (well not impossible but what kind of reason they will use to make her do that, well in the game they were kinda.. separated until then and they were lover err call it ex lover)

err what else?

all the other romance stuff should not be possible, so yea, lets just see whether there will be one.. or TWO orb in next episode :heh:

[Klashikari]

I don't even think it is possible to get light orb at this stage of the plot, otherwise, it will be kinda wrong ^^"

As for Tomoyo, what is left is probably how she can save the sakura trees and Takafumi's screentime. She didn't appear much in Nagisa's route so.

[Joachim]

ah yea, it will indeed feel kinda wrong :heh: nothing is solved yet, sakura trees not yet saved, which is well, her wish. i don't know about you guys, but if kyoani did pull a world reset to make kyou arc (which maybe the only arc that can't get finished, unless they pull an anime original conclusion) how will they do that, i mean higurashi like? sure it works in higurashi, but i.. i just don't know about clannad.. you know :heh: it will feel strange to suddenly go back in school days, going all the scenes again but this time tomoya has feelings for kyou---> lead to kyou arc and then end.. then another world reset? i can't really picture it

[Kristen]

I don't even think it is possible to get light orb at this stage of the plot, otherwise, it will be kinda wrong ^^"

As for Tomoyo, what is left is probably how she can save the sakura trees and Takafumi's screentime. She didn't appear much in Nagisa's route so.

I guess 19 will be another deciding factor. If there's another light orb, it means that my DVD theory is probably correct. After all, there really shouldn't have been a light orb from 16-18, as it wasn't really Mei's arc at all...


Anyways, I think one thing is certain. For Kyoani, this is going to be a first. It will either be the first time they made a story longer than 2 cours, or the first time they have completely ruined a plot. I don't think any other option is available for them now that we are this far in...

[Bankai29]

You know, there's 4 events in particular that I wanted to see from Kyou/Ryou's arc:

1. Crying in the rain
2. Forest confession
3. Dating Sunohara
4. Cutting her hair

With ep18... err no chance of 3 or 4 happening eh? And 2 is looking pretty slim (but it could happen). #1 is shown in the OP at least, so maybe...

I also would live to see those scenes animated....well plus the kiss practice scene...;)

If 1 does happen, and I think its obvious what Tomoya would react considering he has Nagisa already...I'm gonna feel sorry again for Kyou....:(

[Leo_Otaku]

I'm so there with you guys on the fanboyism >.> Highly amusing reading the reactions. It is like a safe haven here ^-^ I also don't like how they bash poor Nagisa when they don't really know much of anything.

For Kyou I was thinking maybe she could cut her hair andhave the rain scene. She could maybe think that because Tomoyo likes Nagisa (short hair) it may give her something.

I agree Chrissie, I think if Kyo-ani would not have 2nd part it can/would ruin the series.

[Khai]

I already think it's very confusing already with everything too jumbled up. And yeah would love to see those Kyou scenes animated as well.

[Skyfall]

I'm so there with you guys on the fanboyism >.> Highly amusing reading the reactions. It is like a safe haven here ^-^ I also don't like how they bash poor Nagisa when they don't really know much of anything.


I will tell you what i don't like though: all the whining in this thread towards people who don't like Nagisa. Heck, Nagisa is my second favorite girl in Clannad and in the anime she clearly has a connection with Tomoya that no other girl can hope to rival, but i can also see why some people would find her boring to watch. I am far more annoyed by the people who whine about others not liking Nagisa, than i am with people who whine about Nagisa. Yes, some of those "complaints" seem silly and blown out of proportion, and while some may well be fanboys, this thread hoverer is not the place where one can come to gloat towards "those fanboys who don't know anything". People are free to like and dislike whom they want, but this thread is not intended as a place where another "faction" can gather and talk ill about others who happen not to like their favorites. Any further posts of such nature will be considered off topic and therefore deleted.

[Sessyl]

Yes, like nagisa we should show kindness towards others whoever they are. ^_^

Since we were on the topic of scenes we want to be animated, I want to see the "greet me like an astronaut who is going to save earth" joke. That was my fave sunohara joke in the game, and you can put that in very easily, hope they show it.

[Kinny Riddle]

I will tell you what i don't like though: all the whining in this thread towards people who don't like Nagisa. Heck, Nagisa is my second favorite girl in Clannad and in the anime she clearly has a connection with Tomoya that no other girl can hope to rival, but i can also see why some people would find her boring to watch.

I am far more annoyed by the people who whine about others not liking Nagisa, than i am with people who whine about Nagisa. Yes, some of those "complaints" seem silly and blown out of proportion, and while some may well be fanboys, this thread hoverer is not the place where one can come to gloat towards "those fanboys who don't know anything". People are free to like and dislike whom they want, but this thread is not intended as a place where another "faction" can gather and talk ill about others who happen not to like their favorites. Any further posts of such nature will be considered off topic and therefore deleted.

You make it sound like there's a witchhunt against people who dissent against the episode, but you're mistaken.

Nobody here wants to talk ill of any other "factions", some members have brought it upon themselves for "whining" in such an immature way. Of course they're free to like and dislike any character, but if they do it to the point of spewing such nonsensical bile and venom, then these people do not deserve to be defended.

I have no beef with other people who found episode 18 wanting, including Mentar and other eloquent speakers.

I thought I could expect better from Clannad watchers than from Shuffle watchers, apparently I was wrong.

For the record, I will not take back my comments about them. If you want to delete them, then go ahead. If this makes me sound "elitist", then I guess that's too bad, and I apologize for being "elitist" then.

[Kinny Riddle]

As my last post is pretty much off topic, I'll get back ON topic.

Upon re-watching the episode, Tomoyo's "Sayuri-zed" monologue about how some things and places remain important, much like a family strikes a chord with Tomoya, and the next scene we have Nagisa returning.

The point about some places never changing will play an important role in Nagisa's After Story, with the town changing all the time. I still don't completely understand the game 100%, but I believe the town and Nagisa's health and life are somehow mystically bound, hence her unconscious knowledge of the Illusionary World.

[Leo_Otaku]

You make it sound like there's a witchhunt against people who dissent against the episode, but you're mistaken.

Nobody here wants to talk ill of any other "factions", some members have brought it upon themselves for "whining" in such an immature way. Of course they're free to like and dislike any character, but if they do it to the point of spewing such nonsensical bile and venom, then these people do not deserve to be defended.

I have no beef with other people who found episode 18 wanting, including Mentar and other eloquent speakers.

I thought I could expect better from Clannad watchers than from Shuffle watchers, apparently I was wrong.

For the record, I will not take back my comments about them. If you want to delete them, then go ahead. If this makes me sound "elitist", then I guess that's too bad, and I apologize for being "elitist" then.

I agree.

No one is gloating anything. Opinions need a basis to support an opinion.
I just don't like going page after page on the episode thread reading hate spam. We are still staying on topic. I agree people can like who they want and hate who they want too. They just need vaild information to support what they say or it seems like spam and or flamming.

back OT then...

How many episodes for the second season do you suppose will be made. I'm certain they are including one. While Nagisa is at school they could maybe put on Yukine's story possibly...?

[Klashikari]

How many episodes for the second season do you suppose will be made. I'm certain they are including one. While Nagisa is at school they could maybe put on Yukine's story possibly...?
It will depend if KA will play the card of "time warp" all the time. (so attempt to put Tomoyo, Kyou/Ryou, Kappei, etc)
If they do, to gather most light orbs, I believe full 24-26 episodes can be squeezed without much trouble (though it WILL be rushed here and there).

After Story itself (from the very point where tomoya is looking for a job while Nagisa is doing her third grade year the third time) should take 12 episodes (before cohabitation, cohabitation, yuusuke, ibuki siblings, naoyuki, sanae, akio, birth, ushio without Nagisa, true end)

[Zenemis]

That would make for a hardcore last 2/3 episodes.

[Sammich]

Question: Has anyone found a full cast list of Clannad (TV) and is the voice actor for Kappei on there? I was browsing around on MyAnimeList and found this (http://myanimelist.net/character.php?id=4701), but I have no idea if it's reliable and if KyoAni could even fit him into the remaining episodes... >.>

[bevan]

Question: Has anyone found a full cast list of Clannad (TV) and is the voice actor for Kappei on there? I was browsing around on MyAnimeList and found this (http://myanimelist.net/character.php?id=4701), but I have no idea if it's reliable and if KyoAni could even fit him into the remaining episodes... >.>

I saw that list on MyAnimeList as well, and I think unless there's a season 2, Kappei would be quite hard to bring in, unless they use elements from Kyou's route where she told Tomoya at the end that Ryou had a new boyfriend she met at the hospital.

[velocity7]

I think that if a second season comes and Kyou route does kick in, they'll probably rewrite it so that the Kyou Epilogue doesn't happen. Instead, right after Tomoya apologizes to Ryou, there'll be a setup where Tomoya has to help out Kappei with Ryou; should follow the family theme a lot better.

Of course, to follow the theme better, they'll have to cut down a bit of the romance part and how long it extends for Kyou (though Tomoya getting with Kyou still has to happen in this scenario). This I'm willing to accept as KyoAni's version. ;)

Also, from what we could get with the Newtype (though might be a silly interpretation, translation i read)
Ishihara said in an interview that Tomoyo and Kyou would have full arc as well in the anime so Kyou will probably be just after.

Can we get the original text?

[Klashikari]

Can we get the original text?
I'm trying to find back where I saw that (though chances are pretty much low). It was on some random net browsing, with that Basket Youhei/Tomoya scan.

*scratches his head* Not sure if it was that all correct, but the information might simply refer to their "arc" in this season, which seems kinda correct.
I guess it is preferable to disregard what i posted. Consider it as "hoax" until we get a confirmation.