Higurashi Kai Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[Skyfall]

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[Ice Climbers]

This episode should be interesting, judging from the preview. The Grand Finale!!!! (for this arc :heh:)

[Miko Miko]

This episode should be interesting, judging from the preview.


I Agree, Can't wait to watch it! :D:D

[Incoan]

Watching our heroes struggle was like having my heart slowly being torn apart to pieces. Painful . =(

[kingsky123]

im slightly confused after the delay thing. so when can we expect episode 14?

[MarthX]

Seems only Saitama is suspending it. The other 2 still have it on schedule and didn't show a suspend message. Why they would suspend it now is beyond me.

Anyway.. great episode but having that message during Takano's laugh was just evil.

[Klashikari]

Considering SUN TV and CHIBA TV airs only 40 minutes late, it is alright, though the lakc of explanation is really silly. (and frankly, considering Matsuribayashi-hen, errr)

I have some mixed feelings for the changes in this episode, but it is quite solid and its in own way (it is in fact complementary to the overwhelming aspect of the original "end"), it is somewhat even more cruel. (they didn't forgot the quiz)
The true complainys i would have are a scene where the art was horrible for a lot of seconds. (the rest of the episode is TOP NOCHT), and Takano was cut short a bit.

Seiyuu are really going crazy huh.

preparing a summary and/or screencaps pack

[Neko Haruko]

But it isn't evil as Takano. This episode was great.. delivery wise anyway. I don't know if it was rushed since I didn't play the game but I hought it was an ok pace... Watching everyone go down was so sad,. I cried so hard when Kei1 died and to the end...

Though I am little confused about the very end...
Does the fact that everyone was there in Rika's mind and saw Hanyuu mean they will remember minagoroshi-hen and Rika now has all the peices to defeat the fate?

[Anacone]

I can't help but feel that they had censored it, it can't be helped and showing is still better, that just takes some of shows charisma away... You know when you see it... Everything else was splendid...

[shigure asa]

+: it was almost always high quality~ it didn't over censor the deaths~ it stayed true to original's theme~ character voice kakko ii~ keiichi's maybe romantic last word to mi-chan~ mion's sacrifice~ rena's "can't be oyashiro", satoko's "broccoli"

-: a temporary 9999 damage to sakuga's quality. 34 gets no screentime. shion's 2second death scene. game music is incomparable.

it's kei-chan's last moments.
what were they thinking??
in the 'time stop' scene when he says that yeah, he knows he is gonna die, yet doesn't give up, and tells everyone to run away without looking back--
that's gone.
the 'time stop' with everyone going from 'we're escaping! it's ok!' to 'this is BAD END' & k1's last "takano-san don't think we've lost to you" --
isn't there.
i still liked it! i still gave this a 100%!
even then, it's such a shame. that's because, this was meant to be a really, really amazing scene for kei-chan, and at the end, it got screwed up.

[Rias]

I'm sure there'll be summaries and such posted soon, so let me just elaborate on the changes of the epsiode compared to the animation.

The changes...I wonder about that if it's for better or for worse. One thing for sure, it will affect the ending in Matsuribayashi-hen. Also, keeping in Broccoli is good, but I doubt people who only watched the anime would get that


Keiichi death scene: Stand power "The World" is cut. There's no doubt that Keiichi is the hero of Minagoroshi-hen, so cutting out the whole talk is kinda harsh. I understand having Hanyuu stopping time seems kinda absurd, but it's an important element. Instead, it's replaced with some generic talk which resulted in everyone running away (instead of everyone being excuted at the same time)

Mion death scene: They made her cool in the epsiode, which I'm not against since I'm a Mion-fan. However, cutting out one of her lines that establish her as "Mion who can't read the atmosphere" isn't what I can totally agree with. In the original, Mion was the only one that "kinda" begged to live with her line of "Hold on...wait <shot>", which of course leads to...

Shion death scene: Shion had a good line in the game, which was of course cut out. Shion actually wanted to be excuted first, to delay Satoko's death as much as possible. Even in the end, she has protected Satoko.



One of the biggest shock of course came from the end, when they announced that Saitama TV would also join in and cancel Higurashi Kai. I hope this doesn't affect other stations...

Next episode...More 34-tan :heh:

[BakaOnna]

One of the biggest shock of course came from the end, when they announced that Saitama TV would also join in and cancel Higurashi Kai. I hope this doesn't affect other stations...

Next episode...More 34-tan :heh:
Well, even if the other three stations decide to cancel it, there's still always AT-X, even though the raw days will be even further pushed back. :(

[SeventhHS]

+: it was almost always high quality~ it didn't over censor the deaths~ it stayed true to original's theme~ character voice kakko ii~ keiichi's maybe romantic last word to mi-chan~ mion's sacrifice~ rena's "can't be oyashiro", satoko's "broccoli"

-: a temporary 9999 damage to sakuga's quality. 34 gets no screentime. shion's 2second death scene. game music is incomparable.

it's kei-chan's last moments.
what were they thinking??
in the 'time stop' scene when he says that yeah, he knows he is gonna die, yet doesn't give up, and tells everyone to run away without looking back--
that's gone.
the 'time stop' with everyone going from 'we're escaping! it's ok!' to 'this is BAD END' & k1's last "takano-san don't think we've lost to you" --
isn't there.
i still liked it! i still gave this a 100%!
even then, it's such a shame. that's because, this was meant to be a really, really amazing scene for kei-chan, and at the end, it got screwed up.


I agree completely!
Now I need not post any comments of my own. :p

EDIT: Or so I thought. Rias just confirmed for me that the game had Takano capturing the rest of the group and leisurely shooting them, which I wasn't positive of (I've seen the scene, but wasn't fluent enough to follow all the details.)

In that case, I'm disappointed at that change. I really thought it emphasized how insane and sadistic Takano was to kill them off slowly one by one, while the others watched helplessly...

[shigure asa]

EDIT: Or so I thought. Rias just confirmed for me that the game had Takano capturing the rest of the group and leisurely shooting them, which I wasn't positive of (I've seen the scene, but wasn't fluent enough to follow the details.)

In that case, I'm disappointed at that change. I really thought it emphasized how insane and sadistic Takano was to kill them off slowly one by one, while the others watched helplessly...
and that's also true!!
all this talk makes me regret rating this like i did!!

not to mention that in animation, it was as if miyo just stood there.
letting them get away.
it's like ... ...
"i may have a gun, and you may be off guard, but i don't mind standing here wasting time, so you and k1 can say bye bye"

[Klashikari]

No, in fact, what Takano was doing was another way to "leisurly" executing her plan.
"Go anywhere you wishes, your fate is sealed".

It is a pity it was done with less stress on "one by one", but in another way, it would look a bit plain if they were standing dumbly before it is their turn.

in a way, it is a good change.


the problem is the changes in the dialogues, and especially the start of it (keiichi...)

[Trogdor Jube]

Wait so does Kai come on a different day now?

[MarthX]

No, in fact, what Takano was doing was another way to "leisurly" executing her plan.
"Go anywhere you wishes, your fate is sealed".

It is a pity it was done with less stress on "one by one", but in another way, it would look a bit plain if they were standing dumbly before it is their turn.

in a way, it is a good change.


the problem is the changes in the dialogues, and especially the start of it (keiichi...)

Takano would be the type to do that. It gives them false hope and shows them how pointless it is. No matter what they do, it's over for them. And I'm glad to see Time Stop removed. Time Stop is a copout; Pure and simple plot hax. This change makes me hopeful that Matsuribayashi will have a less cheesy ending.

[Klashikari]

yes, It is normal for Takano. (What I meant is that both case are valid for her))
What is abnormal is everyone staying dumbly in front of her, without doing anything. either fighting or running away. that's what i though about the good change.

after some consideration with the Raw, there are some parts of the episode were the arms looks REALLY ugly. see Satoko's around 10:28

[shigure asa]

Takano would be the type to do that. It gives them false hope and shows them how pointless it is. No matter what they do, it's over for them. And I'm glad to see Time Stop removed. Time Stop is a copout; Pure and simple plot hax. This change makes me hopeful that Matsuribayashi will have a less cheesy ending.

if it's the 'true end' instead of the 'good end'?
that's ok!
leaving the ending up to someone who isn't ryuu-chan?
it's a 'bad end' no matter how you look at it!

you've seen the difference of game's versus animation's music right?
can you really trust the tv series with higurashi's ending? -3-

[Rias]

The weird thing is how Takano still tied up the last 3, transported the corpses and put them all together, then proceed with shooting the last 2. Is there a point to tie them up or transport all the corpses to put them next to the living ones? Porbably not (trasporting the corpses makes sense, since they have to hide those bodies, but putting them back out to display is just over the top). Just like the origional game, once Keiichi/Rena/Mion was gone, the rest pretty much gave up fighting.

[HashiriyaR32]

Haven't seen the episode yet, but....

Takano = Kira?

[Sterling01]

I think I had the same sadistic pleasure I had while watching this as I did when reading it...

For some reason seeing K1 cough up blood and saying goodbye
to the one he loves (insert Rena or Mion here) Just made me giggle like Takano

and The broccoli cauliflower remark also made me giggle

Here also the PS2 version of the episode

Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueYri27lE7E)
Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaxStmoTxxk)
Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93zeDo72xEg)
Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzWExnIy0kI)
Part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJAk8WRCHZA)
Part 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPnawj98JIU)
Part 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAq2Ph_4TY)

Or on Nico

Entire thing (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm598832)

[Klashikari]

the screencaps pack is finally uploaded (holy cow... 160 pictures)

Episode 13 : Summary and Screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-13-minagoroshi-hen-8-shuumatsu/)

summary should be done soon, though i might wait the subs in case. (not exactly dialogue heavy anyway)

EDIT: Summary is available as well.

[harukamae]

Wow...the wait was well worth it.

I don't mind the changes so much. I do kinda wish they had taken the death scenes slower, but I get the feeling they couldn't spare the time. I still teared up when Shion died, just the way Satoko looked afterward. I think Hanyuu's time stop woulda made things too cheesy - this way felt more realistic, somehow.

BRING ON MATSURIBAYASHI!

[Sterling01]

They should of a least had her say "Hang on..." and then had the sound of her getting shot

[shigure asa]

They should of a least had her say "Hang on..." and then had the sound of her getting shot

right? right? it doesn't take much time! it's not hard to do!
i guess this type of mi-chan fits the successor-to-the-sonozaki image? it can't be helped though~

[Sterling01]

Which is how she kinda is in the true end

[MonkeyDude]

I believe the ASS file is out now...
http://rapidshare.com/files/59643906/Higurashi.no.Naku.Koro.ni.Kai.13.ass.html

If that is just a fake one, please don't lynch me...

[Sterling01]

it be real boyee

[Chewy]

Wow, that changed quite a bit from the game. I was kind of looking forward to watching the bullet float in mid air....

I guess it does make more sense for them not to just stand around waiting to be killed, but some of the little parts that made Takano really cruel in the game (like shooting people mid sentence, some of the things she said before she fired) should have been kept in. The music during Keichi's death or Rika's request didn't have as much impact as I expected, which made those scenes less effective. Otherwise it's a pretty good episode.

[Serenity85]

dam the screen shots look so good for this one. The subs won't come quick enough, and the ending looks so touching with everyone with Rika in the end as she's being carted off to her doom. Looks like everyone will have knowledge of this hinamizawa and will be fighting to stop Takano from the start and bypass the whole prevent friend from going nuts..

Gah how long do the subs usually take cause I really wanna see this ep so bad^^

[Sterling01]

the subs are out and are posted on this page

[Serenity85]

the subs are out and are posted on this page

oh so that link was the sub^^ Thanks for the pointer *heads of to download*

[Benny1]

A question about what was removed in this episode (and I guess Matsuribayashi-hen?)

I was under the impression that Rika was the one who timestopped in this part and in Matsuribayashi-hen. Have a been misled, is it a different person in each arc, Hanyuu each time, or what?

[Rias]

A question about what was removed in this episode (and I guess Matsuribayashi-hen?)

I was under the impression that Rika was the one who timestopped in this part and in Matsuribayashi-hen. Have a been misled, is it a different person in each arc, Hanyuu each time, or what?


Actually both times it's done by Hanyuu. One of the few limited power she still posess as a god.

[MrZombie]

I'll admit I'm torn here. While I agree that some of the changes were needed, the time stop being the most obvious thing that needed to go, other changes where baffling. Why not have Mion say "Hold on...."? What does that change really? It would have added a second or two at most. The art quality dip was the most unforgivable thing in this episode. You guys did a budget episode last, what are you saving it for? This should have been the episode you splurged on! No more stick arms and legs for god's sake!

I would like to give it a ten, but I just can't. Nine it is.

[Benny1]

Actually both times it's done by Hanyuu. One of the few limited power she still posess as a god.




Ah, so the wikipedia summary of Matsuribayashi-hen is innacurate? It states that Rika slows the bullets in Matsuribayashi-hen and snatches it, I just assumed this could happen because Rika is related. Well, this is quite the differrent take on teh ending. If Rika had done it, I had seen it as her love for Hanyuu, and absolute desire for her to live had unlocked some super secret time stopping power she had from Hanyuu's relation to her (they were blood related, though through time, were they not?

[Rias]

Probably the only thing that striked me the most in this show is

http://shaolin18.myip.org:8080/blog/2007/10/02/16164.jpg

Something about 34-tan and her laugh combined with that message, and how there were tons of comments on niconico relating the club members to the tv stations and 34-tan+Yamainu as the censoring board... :heh:

[MonkeyDude]

I'll admit I'm torn here. While I agree that some of the changes were needed, the time stop being the most obvious thing that needed to go, other changes where baffling. Why not have Mion say "Hold on...."? What does that change really? It would have added a second or two at most. The art quality dip was the most unforgivable thing in this episode. You guys did a budget episode last, what are you saving it for? This should have been the episode you splurged on! No more stick arms and legs for god's sake!

I would like to give it a ten, but I just can't. Nine it is.

I just finished watching the episode and I found the art quality great. Then again, I don't really nitpick at the smallest details like that...Some scenes are obviously lacking, but lets blame that on bad camera angles? xD

I think this episode just confirms Mion's love-love for Keiichi right? xD
Maybe even Rena...

I expected Keiichi's moment to be more dramatic than that, but I guess you can't have it all...

Before I forget, a full speedsub is available at tokyotosho! (released at the same time as the .ass file)

[Sterling01]

We always knew Mion had "love-love" for K1

but now it's implied that KI has "love-love" for mion

[MonkeyDude]

Really, it looked a bit more one-sided in my eyes =P

Also a big difference in knowing and actually seeing it firsthand...
Nekogoroshi-hen doesn't count! xD

[Sterling01]

Thats why I said implied people can take it ether way

[Kyogissun]

Man, am I the only one who thinks Satoko's probably got the creepiest "shocked" eyes? And it's ever scarrier in this episode...

But really, was the animation quality in this episode that bad? It seems okay, like almost every other episode... Guess I'd have to see it to be able to tell. x.x

[Kang Seung Jae]

Man, am I the only one who thinks Satoko's probably got the creepiest "shocked" eyes? And it's ever scarrier in this episode...

But really, was the animation quality in this episode that bad? It seems okay, like almost every other episode... Guess I'd have to see it to be able to tell. x.x

Quality bad? I don't think so, although the pacing is too fast for me.

[Kyogissun]

After watching it, I will be honest...

I thought there was gonna be more than just that slash... didn't she get her freaking intestines pulled out in the game? @_@

Either way, a person who wasn't familiar with it probably would be thinking the same thing... I really though Rika, of all of the deaths, should've been more... significant. They didn't need to show any gore if that was the problem, just at least some sign of shock from pain in Rika's eyes, like a very blurry image, make Takano howling with laughter and then finally passing out from the shock and dying.

Other than one spot where Satoko's face looked very odd, this seemed like a good episode. Loved the detail in Rena's eyes...

It seemed maybe she had the least painful death... Went out with a bang so to speak, talking smack back to the person killing everyone this whole time. Course, I've always though Rena was kinda more badass than everyone else with that axe. XD

Tell me if I'm over doing it with the spoiler tags people, still new to this. ><

[Sterling01]

The next episode spoiler you should delete

[SeventhHS]

By the way-

I thought it was pretty interesting how the Rika inside the world told herself and Hanyuu over and over that she wasn't giving up, but the Rika outside the world initially had other ideas.

I wonder how many people will catch on that they aren't quite the same Rika.

[Serenity85]

After watching it, I will be honest...

I thought there was gonna be more than just that slash... didn't she get her freaking intestines pulled out in the game? @_@

Either way, a person who wasn't familiar with it probably would be thinking the same thing... I really though Rika, of all of the deaths, should've been more... significant. They didn't need to show any gore if that was the problem, just at least some sign of shock from pain in Rika's eyes, like a very blurry image, make Takano howling with laughter and then finally passing out from the shock and dying.

actually from looking at the screen caps and reading the summary, it makes sense that Rika isn't showing the shock of pain

afterall even thou this hinamizawa is done it was greatly different from all the rest. She learned who the culpret is but most importantlly she learned Fate can be broken and to trust in her friends. And unlike past deaths her friends are with her in spirit to ease her pain thus she can grit and bare the pain knowing next time things will be different and that she might even be able to break this cycle. Heck it wouldn't even have shocked me if during the well err her death she said something alone the lines of "you may have won this round Takano but the war isn't over. In my death will be your undoing" and then passes out or dies

Ah well still need to wait for sub to download so I can watch it myself^^

[Kyogissun]

By the way-

I thought it was pretty interesting how the Rika inside the world told herself and Hanyuu over and over that she wasn't giving up, but the Rika outside the world initially had other ideas.

I wonder how many people will catch on that they aren't quite the same Rika.


I'm not quite sure what you mean by that... I mean are you saying that... because of all the multiple hinamizawa's there's some kind of thing making multiple Rika's? Or what? Elaborate. x.x

I would've thought it would just be one collaborative thing...

[The Bloodlust Kid]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that... I mean are you saying that... because of all the multiple hinamizawa's there's some kind of thing making multiple Rika's? Or what? Elaborate. x.x

I would've thought it would just be one collaborative thing...

I think Hanyuu copypastas Rika's memories, goes back in time and pastes it.

[SSJiffy]

So, are the Sonozakis taken down by the yamainu too? I thought they had the yakuza at their disposal. Those scenes where Takano fires point-blank into Shion's face and then quizzes Satoko and blasts her in the face too...
were AWESOME. Her character is so sick to be able to employ such cold methods to attaining the ends. God damn. That image of cute Takano -- going hyper over Rika letting her into the shrine -- has just been turned inside-out. Just, wow.

[cereal_killerxx]

Can anyone give me an opinion on the speedsub on this episode? I'm debating as whether or not to watch it or wait for a better one. Any thoughts?

[MarthX]

The speedsub is good. It's Hauu's first release, which is normally just an .ass file

[FallenLucifel]

I haven't played the game, but I thought this episode was epic, and the best in this season thus far.

Seeing everyone work together using their signature weapons (especially Shion's tazer, weird that her twin uses kung fu instead of her obvious gun) was awesome, and watching them die was heart wrenching. Go Takano go! >XD

Now I'm going to assume anyone who humps a door is a sadistic pedoslayer 0___0

[Klashikari]

Quality bad? I don't think so, although the pacing is too fast for me.

the thing is that "it isn"t that bad".
The issue is the quality of this episode is extremeley unbalanced.
While the most part of this episode is top nocht, we have MANY still shot with UGLY character design. Pay attention with the "pause" moments, and you can see the limbs horribly done (especially satoko around 10:28)

like Mr Zombie said, episode 12 was the budget episode, so having a "2/3 top nocht" episode for such episode is really annoying.

*bleh* i should have voted 9 at this rate.

After watching it, I will be honest...

I thought there was gonna be more than just that slash... didn't she get her freaking intestines pulled out in the game? @_@

Either way, a person who wasn't familiar with it probably would be thinking the same thing... I really though Rika, of all of the deaths, should've been more... significant. They didn't need to show any gore if that was the problem, just at least some sign of shock from pain in Rika's eyes, like a very blurry image, make Takano howling with laughter and then finally passing out from the shock and dying.
Because her death is already known by any watcher and it doesn't matter. And since we know she is conscious, we can imagine the pain. Also, that scene doesn't mean Takano only did that. This just serves the fact that "she did it". much like for the yamainu in Yakusamashi.
The importance of this scene is rather Rika resolution to burn the face of the culprit, after all this struggle. Her death is meaningless compared the joined forces she has with her friends AND hanyuu.

[z3phyr.mp3]

weee... finally finished my summary and thoughts... (http://atogofundake.wordpress.com/2007/10/02/higurashi-kai-13/)

it was a great episode... though i agree with Klashikari that some scenes weren't that good. though overall, for me the episode was great... i shed i few tears while watching this..

[haiz123321]

IMHO, This is by far the BEST episode.(next to ep 26 or Higurashi)

I gave this episode a 10 for the following reasons:
WARNING! CONTAINS SPOILERS

1) Everyone was together this time (even after death)
2) They know who is the real culprit now (Everyone)
3) They know who is the real Oyashiro sama (Hanyuu)
4) Judging from this episode, it seems that maybe everyone can see Hanyuu in the next arc
5) Even though Rika died, they found out ALOT of things which may make the next arc good


Just to clarify things, by everyone i mean Keichi and gang, not everyone in village
At first i wanted to give an 8 (haven't watched finish yet) cause Rena was using the reversed edge of her machette instead of the blade. They made her use the reversed edge maybe is due to the axe murder case. But I gave this a 10 cause of the ending (around 17:00 - end i think)

[Kirarakim]

I really liked this episode. In fact I really liked this whole arc. It was nice to see everyone work together for once. It wasn't perfect though so I gave it a 9. Now I am really looking forward to the last arc.

[Proto]

the thing is that "it isn"t that bad".
The issue is the quality of this episode is extremeley unbalanced.
While the most part of this episode is top nocht, we have MANY still shot with UGLY character design. Pay attention with the "pause" moments, and you can see the limbs horribly done (especially satoko around 10:28)


Well, at least you know those are things that can be easily corrected in the DVD release, so all is not lost :p

[aliensporebomb]

Great episode.

Takano is as crazy as they come.

What would have been GREAT though is:



Takano was going on and on about being Oyashiro-sama.

If only Hanyuu could appear to her looking sort of like Rena with that axe - that
would shut her up.



Sigh.

[Green²]

"Broccoli or cauliflower. Which of the two is green?"

NOOO! Don't answer either way! They are not squared.

"Cauli... Broccoli!"
"Correct." "Pop~!"

Son of a bitch!

...She is evil.

[Solafighter]

Excellent episode!

Can´t wait for the next one. :cool:

[Cheezy]

Oh god kickin' rad episode. My favourite part was when Rena talked to Takano.

Go Rena!

[k//eternal]

They made her use the reversed edge maybe is due to the axe murder case. But I gave this a 10 cause of the ending (around 17:00 - end i think)
Well, no, they weren't trying to kill here, because she's not in homicide mode this time.

[patnam]

The truths reveal!!!!!!
Takano is pure KIRA!!!!!!
Waiting for the last arc......

[Echoes]

This was an amazing episode. They'd been building up to something for a long time now, and I was not the least bit disappointed. Well, of course I was a little disappointed that all of my idols were shot, but the episode itself was splendid.

The heart of Higurashi seems to be friendship and trust, which really puts things in perspective, with all the violence, bloodshed and murders that take place. Keiichi's such an awesome guy, he never fails to impress me.

All that aside, Takano is truly evil. There's really no redeeming qualities to her, she'll do anything to reach her selfish goals, and more-so, she enjoys hurting others along the way. She'd make a good Oyashiro-sama, I guess, but I think we're better off without him/her. :<
I felt really good when Rena confronted her, and when Rika told her she'd etch these memories into her soul and come back for Takano, I was ecstatic, since I know it's true. The episode is well worthy of a 10/10.

[rainbow_rena]

Another great ep. cant wait for the next 2 (seen the previews)
look so awesome

Takano as a child looks cute o: looks like some interesting info eps.

[Joachim]

err can someone tell me what is keichii's unspoken words to mion? err or shion (sorry still can't get who are who) yayy for mion x keichii.. but doesn't really matter lol

about the sequence where everyone get together after being owned..
so everyone did meet in the afterlife, therefore realizing about the whole truth that they will go to another hinamizawa afterwards? (though possibly they will forgot all about it) or it is just some kind of analogy?

[Joachim]

This was an amazing episode. They'd been building up to something for a long time now, and I was not the least bit disappointed. Well, of course I was a little disappointed that all of my idols were shot, but the episode itself was splendid.

The heart of Higurashi seems to be friendship and trust, which really puts things in perspective, with all the violence, bloodshed and murders that take place. Keiichi's such an awesome guy, he never fails to impress me.

All that aside, Takano is truly evil. There's really no redeeming qualities to her, she'll do anything to reach her selfish goals, and more-so, she enjoys hurting others along the way. She'd make a good Oyashiro-sama, I guess, but I think we're better off without him/her. :<
I felt really good when Rena confronted her, and when Rika told her she'd etch these memories into her soul and come back for Takano, I was ecstatic, since I know it's true. The episode is well worthy of a 10/10.

regarding what you are saying..so does it mean that it is not enough for rika to bring memories to the other hinamizawa if it doesn't particulary important to her? to the point where she really wants to taste to be gutted alive by takano just for purpose of printing those memories into her mind, so later on she will remember correctly of what actually happened? is it not enough for her to just know that takano is the mastermind behind all of tragedies, especially when takano killed rika's friend one by one :heh:

[Echoes]

It is indeed enough to know that Takano is the mastermind, that should suffice. I just loved how she told Takano off, even when she knew she'd be in a world of pain afterwards.

[Joachim]

yeah... she sounded so vengeful and bad ass :D just like saying "i may be defeated and dead now, but i'll be back , i assure you i'll be back and i'll be back to deliver eternal judgment TO YOU" well thats too much lol

[Ice Climbers]

Just watched the raw (since thats the only thing on veoh) and even tho i could not understand a word they were saying, it was still a great episode.

I have not played the game before, nor did I know what happened in it so I am not complaining about anything that they threw out. It was a good ep in the eyes of a (kinda) newbie :heh:

One thing though: does the end of the ep imply that everybody will remember what happened in this arc? in that case it will be a "good" end within a bad end then :heh:


Bring on the last arc!!!

[Radikaru]

Can someone be kind enough to upload the ASS file somewhere other than Rapidshare please? :\

[Miko Miko]

:3 wow I loved this episode..
Can't wait for next week.

Last arc next :'(

[Sterling01]

Remember what Rika said about how she needed transfer her memories before she was killed. I don't think that happened

[Tengusoldier]

what is the meanig behind the brocollu thingie?
is that from teh games?
I saw that scene in the youtube fr the game and it was kinda the same...only difference is that she didn't say: that's right!

btw ths is my first post but I have been lurking ever since Kai was released :3

[Proto]

Not much of a spoiler but...

It is mentioned that both Satoshi and Satoko are colorblind, hence they cannot tell apart broccoli and cauliflower

[Echoes]

Takano sure is a hag, right down to the minor details. :<

[Tengusoldier]

ohhh, then I guess its still weird that she did say that's right in the anime whch was the one that cut a lot of stuff, in the game that would makes her seem more cold than cynical and sadistic.:mad:

[Miko Miko]

Not much of a spoiler but...

It is mentioned that both Satoshi and Satoko are colorblind, hence they cannot tell apart broccoli and cauliflower

it didn't ever mention it in the anime, So wouldn't people have not understood that?
Darn Anime cutting out little details :[

[kj1980]

it didn't ever mention it in the anime, So wouldn't people have not understood that?
Darn Anime cutting out little details :[

On the other hand, it is mentioned in the wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni_characters)

[Matrim]

You know, I think I'd have been a lot more emotionally affected by this episode if I wasn't already somewhat on the side of Takano. Part of the problem is that we have already seen all these characters dying a number of times and the chapter was titled Minagoroshi, making it quite clear what's going to happen to them in the end - this all reduced considerably the shock value of the episode. All this team spirit, friendship and defeating fate are nice but presented in a way that's a bit cheesy in my opinion. A bit too much emphasis on sheer will for my taste. As we saw in the episode a will to fight is not good enough without brute force to support it. I hope they try to do soemthing really cunning in the next arc and not you know, try with even greater fighting spirit only.
I am somewhat happy that I am not the only weirdo who actually felt some pleasure from watching the sheer evilness of Takano.

I was kind of annoying that Takano went for a trick from Villain Cliches 101, namely informing the protagonists what your goal is, right you before you kill them (or in most cases leave them in deadly trap from which they escape). Rena's retort was nice, thoguh!

No, in fact, what Takano was doing was another way to "leisurly" executing her plan.
"Go anywhere you wishes, your fate is sealed".

Hell yeah! At first I was all "Takano is so stupid, why didn't she kill them while they were standing as sitting ducks around K1" but then it seemed that it was part of a sadistic game.

How exactly does Takano intend to become god (goddess is not politically correct enough these days maybe?:)). God of what? No one is going to live in Hinamizawa after the Disaster, right? OK, she is crazy but she is not stupid. I am probably missing something important.

[Proto]

On the other hand, it is mentioned in the wikipedia

Yeah but the wikipedia entry is a spoiler galore capable of spoiling the whole story for the unwary initiate, so it's not really the most recommendable reference :p

[HashiriyaR32]

*Braces for the Death Note parodies involving Takano*

[Davidj]

How exactly does Takano intend to become god (goddess is not politically correct enough these days maybe?:)). God of what? No one is going to live in Hinamizawa after the Disaster, right? OK, she is crazy but she is not stupid. I am probably missing something important.

Cultural context. She doesn't mean "I am going to have people build shrines to me". "Become a god" is a metaphor. After all, she doesn't believe gods exist in the metaphysical sense so by killing Oyashiro-sama's followers, she is killing Oyashiro-sama itself and in so doing she becomes the true Oyashiro.

[BakaOnna]

I think this was the best episode so far in this seeason, though a lot of this season had really awesome episode. The ending made me tear. Now I wish I hadn't given so many tens. :heh:

Anyway, even though I do think it's better without the whole time freeze thing, wouldn't it be weirder if it's used in Matsuribayashi-hen since it kinda came out of nowhere? I guess DEEN can somehow make it work.
Oh yea, the similiaries are uncanny. :heh:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Rushuna/Random%20Stuff/godsofthenewworld.gif

[HashiriyaR32]

I think this was the best episode so far in this seeason, though a lot of this season had really awesome episode. The ending made me tear. Now I wish I hadn't given so many tens. :heh:

Anyway, even though I do think it's better without the whole time freeze thing, wouldn't it be weirder if it's used in Matsuribayashi-hen since it kinda came out of nowhere? I guess DEEN can somehow make it work.
Oh yea, the similiaries are uncanny. :heh:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/Rushuna/Random%20Stuff/godsofthenewworld.gif

RIGHT ON!

*Gives you cookies*

[Jaden]

Hahaha. I thought up until now that this would be the last episode. Just how many episodes will there be?

Finally got the answer to the disaster mystery - it's part of Takano's plan. She happily directs the gas massacre, right after eviscerating Rika. (I thought she wasn't the type to bloody her own hands, oh, I was so wrong!)
Anyway, she kills Rika and reports her death to TOKYO, knowing that the fools still believe the queen theory and that their response will be to order the massacre. I can only think it was her plan all along, to kill everyone.

And that's what I don't understand about Takano. I can't see logic in her actions. She wants to be revered as a god, and then kills all that would worship her?

Yet another thing I still don't understand is why Rika must be killed in that specific manner. It seems from this chapter that when TOKYO hears about her death, they order the massacre. Why don't they do it unless Rika is killed this way?

Feels like I'm thinking about things that I shouldn't be at this point...

[Vash002]

Recently watched this episode, and got an instant 10.
Loved the anime improvisations, and Takano coldness. Watching the soldiers killing the entire village was pretty awesome :heh:

Why there are 2 previews? Are episode 14 and 15 coming together in a 1 hour especial or what the hell happened? Episode 15 preview leaked? Well, whatever, Hanyuu using the Geass at the end of episode 15 preview was pure gold.

[FlareKnight]

For some reason my first thought at the end was. "Oh great their enemy is completley and utterly insane." She wants to be a god...well knew she wasn't all there upstairs but this seals it.

Can't remember the last time I was this geared up for someone to be completely taken out of existence. Don't think dropping Takano into a vat of burning death would be quite enough to make things right.

Do honor the effort everyone showed even in such a dark situation. Really gave everything they had and considering what they were up against it was some fight. Close combat weapons really do give way to guns in the hand of a lunatic I guess. So close to making it yet not quite. Plus owe Rika a ton of credit for her effort considering what she endured just to make sure she'd remember this.

Wish them luck in the final round. They will need to really pull out all the stops. Hopefully knowing Takano is behind this will give her the necessary edge.

[Sterling01]

That becoming a god Reminds me of the TIPS To *yoko (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=690232&postcount=134)

[Trogdor Jube]

Takano is quite the evil one.

Though I don't know how it was in the game this is simply the best episode of season 2 so far. 2000 people in one classroom though?

[Sterling01]

Oh and also these two
The Foward of a Faded Notebook (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=693732&postcount=144)
Faded Notebook II & III (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=693908&postcount=145)

[MarthX]

Takano is quite the evil one.

Though I don't know how it was in the game this is simply the best episode of season 2 so far. 2000 people in one classroom though?

The 2000 remark was about the total population of Hinamizawa. The class room was just one of many areas that was gassed.

[Tengusoldier]

ohh I have always been wondering, when people talk about budget in anime.

Does that mean like: Hey guys!! I'll pay you more than nroaml and you'll draw even prettier!!
or something like that?
I'm such a noob X__x

[Trogdor Jube]

The 2000 remark was about the total population of Hinamizawa. The class room was just one of many areas that was gassed.

Thanks. That clears alot of things up.

[GyroidFanatic]

Why there are 2 previews? Are episode 14 and 15 coming together in a 1 hour especial or what the hell happened? Episode 15 preview leaked? Well, whatever, Hanyuu using the Geass at the end of episode 15 preview was pure gold.The previews were both leaked last week

ohh I have always been wondering, when people talk about budget in anime.

Does that mean like: Hey guys!! I'll pay you more than nroaml and you'll draw even prettier!!
or something like that?
I'm such a noob X__x

They can hire more people to divide up the work more, and can pay for more hours.

[Shiosai]

Is that young woman from 14's preview who I think it is? I haven't read much on Matsuribayashi-hen yet.

[kj1980]

ohh I have always been wondering, when people talk about budget in anime.

Does that mean like: Hey guys!! I'll pay you more than nroaml and you'll draw even prettier!!
or something like that?
I'm such a noob X__x

No, it's more like:

Anime sponsored by some big multi-national electronics firm
Can hire more labor to divide up the workload
Can be more flexible in the amount of time needed to create the anime

Anime sponsored by anime music label or some generic anime store
Why is it taking you that long to do this? Work faster!! We don't have much time - it's going to go on air in less than three days!! You can eat when this is finished! You got kicked out of your apartment? Good, more time for you to work!!!

[Deathkillz]

zomg takano what have you done!!! :twitch:

"broccoli or cauliflower...which is green?"

"broccoli..."

"correct!"

*bang*

:frustrated:

I think that shot also hit me heart :upset:

Long ago i did guess that takano wasnt up to any good due to her usual "mysterious" aura...but this just seals it that she is the bad one >_<

right...all i want now is for the team to gain their memories in the next life and with hanyuu...to kick some ASS!!

such a shame really - they were soo close ;_;

[Matrim]

Cultural context. She doesn't mean "I am going to have people build shrines to me". "Become a god" is a metaphor. After all, she doesn't believe gods exist in the metaphysical sense so by killing Oyashiro-sama's followers, she is killing Oyashiro-sama itself and in so doing she becomes the true Oyashiro.

Well, yeah I doubt she was talking 100% literally but what was with the "being feared leads to being revered" speech? I mean, killing Oyashiro-sama doesn't seem to be the goal for her, merely means to achieve something. But what?
It was somewhat weird that her subordinates were not shown to react at all when she made this crazy speech and the evil (way over the top, alas, Rena does it much better) laughter. Then again I guess the minions of evil never turn against the evil overlord just because he or she happens to be mad as a hatter. :heh:

[Archuka]

I didn't like this episode very much. The execution seemed clunky and the art took a few nasty dives. I was especially annoyed by the scenes where everyone just stood still and talked despite being chased by murderous bastards.

Also, the scene where Mion stays back to stall the enemy was so poorly done! The rest of the gang run away, yet Mion somehow manages to catch up to them while bleeding to death and then Takano and her gang magically appear as well. The Yamainu probably are fast runners, but Takano in her tight skirt and high heels? I'm not buying it! :uhoh:

Oh and the gun shots didn't have enough oomph and the blood splatter just looked cheap somehow. I still think this series would have needed a much higher budget. Or at least it should have been done by KyoAni, who I assume did not have an exceptionally high budget for FMP: TSR but still managed to do an amazing job.

And that's what I don't understand about Takano. I can't see logic in her actions. She wants to be revered as a god, and then kills all that would worship her?

Yet another thing I still don't understand is why Rika must be killed in that specific manner. It seems from this chapter that when TOKYO hears about her death, they order the massacre. Why don't they do it unless Rika is killed this way?

Oh trust me, there are very logical answers to both of these questions. I'm sure it will all be explained in Matsuribayashi.

[joshualimm]

Nice episode... as for the part where

why everyone's body were at the same spot, even though they were already dead (as for the tied up part, I'm not sure, cuz I never noticed that)...

Maybe the original game story WAS supposed to be in there... But maybe talking and shooting just wasn't long enough, or maybe the scenes were too violent... I dunno. The part where Satoko was shot looked pretty odd, eg, right after the camera change, it seemed like something was cut out..



Maybe they had to redo/modify the original ending of the arc due to time (too short)... but after they did, it may have become too long, so many other things were left out... I wouldn't know. But as a non-game player, I enjoyed this episode immensely. Maybe it was all the programming from you guys that this arc was gonna be superb, that kept me interested. Well, in any ways, it DID work, I and I love this episode.

I'm ready now, bring on the next one! ... btw, when's the next earliest higurashi episode release?

[MarthX]

yet Mion somehow manages to catch up to them while bleeding to death and then Takano and her gang magically appear as well.

I got the impression Takano killed her and had her corpse put there. When they see her, Takano immediately responds with "She's already dead." It's not far-fetched to believe because she had everyone, dead and alive grouped together later.

The Yamainu probably are fast runners, but Takano in her tight skirt and high heels?

They stopped to talk. Shion was angry about Mion staying behind.


Oh and the gun shots didn't have enough oomph

Silencers. You don't want the whole village hearing gunshots.

[Echoes]

No, it's more like:

Anime sponsored by some big multi-national electronics firm
Can hire more labor to divide up the workload
Can be more flexible in the amount of time needed to create the anime

Anime sponsored by anime music label or some generic anime store
Why is it taking you that long to do this? Work faster!! We don't have much time - it's going to go on air in less than three days!! You can eat when this is finished! You got kicked out of your apartment? Good, more time for you to work!!!

Excellent and hilarious explanation, I needed something to cheer me up after this depressing episode, thanks. ^^

I think that shot also hit me heart

I second that. Poor Satoko, will she ever get a break?

[FlareKnight]

Yeah this has been a pretty rough arc for Satoko. Manages to survive from being beaten to death by her uncle to being shot in the head by Takano. Really do feel bad for her since she just can't catch a break it seems.

Even if they cut it out can't imagine how Rika must've suffered. I mean no matter how you look at it being conscious during such an event would be horrific. Almost glad they cut it out since it would've been rough to hear her since anyone would cry out during that.

[Tengusoldier]

umm, in the links for the game scenes we didn't get any Rika's intestines coming out and suffering eitehr IIRC Takano just said something and then it was all black and them sayng what I think is a longer version of the last minutes in this week's episode.

[Echoes]

That's true, Rika's suffering must not be forgotten, even when it's rivaled by Satoko's. Having my intestines forcibly removed while I'm still conscious would be a merciless fate, I can't even begin to imagine what sort of pain she'd be in. Takano is one cold-hearted woman.

Rika is one brave girl to make such a decision, but after all she's been through it makes sense to grasp any for any straw that's withing her reach.

[Omfgbbqwtf]

Damn it, This is the most painful episode to watch. Takano's laugh at the end made me want to slap her hard!
Some positives from this episode:
Keiichi + Mion + Rena kicked ass! I was hoping Rena would just throw her cleaver at Takano and kill her or something.
They are moving on to the next world, hopefully they would remember something.

[Nyao]

I can't wait for the next episode, I hate Takano now... I hope Rika kills her early in the next episode.-_-

[Sterling01]

I'll be surprised if Rika is even in the next episode

[Nyao]

I'll be surprised if Rika is even in the next episode

Why is that:S? It's probably a new arc..

[Sterling01]

From what I know the next couple of episodes are about Takano's past

[Deathwing]

i want Takano to die and i really hope it is very painful

[HashiriyaR32]

Silencers. You don't want the whole village hearing gunshots.

Takano's P220 was NOT suppressed. Since everyone's asleep AND they're in a wooded area, the sound of the gunshots probably wouldn't be heard in the village.

If you were talking about the soldiers MP5SD`s, yes, those SMGs are suppressed. Seemed a bit too loud for an SD.

[Matrim]

From what I know the next couple of episodes are about Takano's past

Now that will be a very pleasant surprise, as far as I am concerned.

[Sterling01]

Preview's up on the main site

http://www.oyashirosama.com/web/kai/onair/index.htm

[FlareKnight]

Well I just hope the Takano past isn't going to try and get sympathy for her. Right now I want a pitchfork. Rika and the others must be avenged, especially Rika for all her suffering! Time for some mob violence.

[Sterling01]

That's exactly why they're showing it

[k//eternal]

Looking at the preview,

Kid Takano reminds me a lot of... Satoko. Probably just the "blond kid taking a lot of abuse" thing, but it makes me wonder a little, yes?

[Hasako]

im just so excited for the next episode cause it will be huge and i wonder why didnt she just transfer her memories over while she was being driven to the place she would be gutted?

[EphemeralDream]

Takano can never hope to live up to the killing instinct that is Rena. Even when Takano was conversing with her, Rena was still the one in control of the conversation as well as the clear superior of the argument. Takano had no chance.

[Tengusoldier]

cause she can't do it just like that, she needs to die in order for her to transfer the memories.

anyway guys, rmeember this? :P

http://www.mistakesofyouth.com/index2.php?id=moy_comics/62/index

and a funny bonus

http://www.mistakesofyouth.com/index2.php?id=moy_comics/36/index

;)

[Christen]

Now that Minagoroshi-hen has ended. Is it now safe to read the Matsuribayashi-hen puzzle pieces?

[Hagges01]

Not much of a spoiler but...

It is mentioned that both Satoshi and Satoko are colorblind, hence they cannot tell apart broccoli and cauliflower

omg, that's an important detail, probably most of the ppl didn't understand that part
i just hope for anything else, details r always need

[MarthX]

Now that Minagoroshi-hen has ended. Is it now safe to read the Matsuribayashi-hen puzzle pieces?

No. The Matsuribayashi pieces are part of Matsuribayashi. Many spoilers are there that may be shown in the anime.

[Klashikari]

Yes, and considering the length of Matsuribayashi-hen, without the pieces, there is no way they will "strech" it to fit the remaining 11 episodes.
They will certainly cover some pieces in the anime as well.

[Tengusoldier]

awww, no one liked my links?

;___;

[Christen]

Ok, I'm gonna start reading them now and I'd look forward to them being animated.

Oh my there are so many here. You'll need like at least 4-6 episodes to cover this all.

[dspr8_rugged]

Episode 13 is awesome beyond words. Best part is when Rena had the guts to laugh at Takano at gunpoint. :)

Question: Where the hell was Akasaka? I thought he offered some help for Rika in Episode 7...

[Klashikari]

Episode 13 is awesome beyond words. Best part is when Rena had the guts to laugh at Takano at gunpoint. :)

Question: Where the hell was Akasaka? I thought he offered some help for Rika in Episode 7...

not at all.
As expected from the consequences of a "saved Yukie", Akasaka didn't have the chance to listen to Rika's "happy" murders fortune telling.
Akasaka came back in Hinamizawa to spend some time with his wife, while showing his earnest thanks to Rika.

Yes, Akasaka was still on his trip with his wife, that's why he was nicknamed "bakasaka" :heh:

[Christen]

OK, just finished reading the matsuribayashi-hen pieces (and somehow, I wished that I actually played the actual mini-game of putting the pieces together). It got me hyped up for matsuribayashi-hen.

I can't help but think that in order for the gang to break past the barrier of 1983, the fate of Akasaka's wife should not be changed. Looks like he will be a very important piece.

[dspr8_rugged]

not at all.
As expected from the consequences of a "saved Yukie", Akasaka didn't have the chance to listen to Rika's "happy" murders fortune telling.
Akasaka came back in Hinamizawa to spend some time with his wife, while showing his earnest thanks to Rika.

Yes, Akasaka was still on his trip with his wife, that's why he was nicknamed "bakasaka" :heh:
Hmm, I see. It just bothered me after watching the episode and re-watching Episode 7.

Wonder if he could have done something if he was in Hinamizawa...

[Klashikari]

Well... It will depends if DEEN will animate this "peculiar" TIP/Piece about him.
Akasaka is a VERY powerful ally, and i believe Daybreak players and/or gamers/spoiled guys know what i'm referring to.
(a_operation BGM !! \o/ )

The thing is: the tide of the battle could already be changed if Ooishi wasn't killed before the operation. So akasaka could probably do something. Nothing in set in stone, as you could see with the "kids alone".

[Seiryuu]

Incredible end to this chapter. And confirms what I thought that the final massacre was carried out, at least officially, as a last-resort sterilization. And 34 really astonished me here. I knew she was very, VERY sick, but this is crazy. I don't know about gods and men, but she has truly surpassed every level of sadism and psychopathy I've ever heard of. And I'm now certain she will never take some sort of high-ranking position where she'd have to sit behind a desk while others get to bathe in blood.

[Matrim]

Stupid question - why is Takano referred to as "34" by some posters?

Takano can never hope to live up to the killing instinct that is Rena. Even when Takano was conversing with her, Rena was still the one in control of the conversation as well as the clear superior of the argument. Takano had no chance.

She didn't need a chance - she had a gun. :)

[slackerz]

Keiichi,Rena and Shion should go psycho mode,that might even the odds

[Seiryuu]

Sorry, I'm lazy and shorten names at times. Since the name Miyo is spelled with the kanji for 3-4, and since the aftermath rumors played on that name with a "File #34", I just started to adopt the abbreviation. Basically the same reason I started using "K1".
The stuff about "control" and "victory" with Rena is a little like Gandhi's story: You can kill a person, or beat them, or torture them, but you don't have any true control unless they choose to submit to you. In terms of pure determination, psycho drive and the ability to instill fear in your opponent, Takano 3-4 is completely inferior to Rena, so her victory was obtained through the major handicap of a gun, high ground and backup goons.
That said, Rena loses completely in the realm of unprovoked, obsessively sadistic bloodlust. I could see her character as the center of a horror movie. Something like "Bride of Hannibal".

[hirahira]

Broccoli or cauliflower?

That was the best part in the episode!

I also liked the Rena laugh <3

But still, this episode was kind of sad even though I knew it would end this way.

[k//eternal]

Was anyone reminded of Kenshin by Rena's reversed cleaver attack? Nonlethal badassery.

[hirahira]

Could someone make a video clip of the Broccoli or Cauliflower scene?
I really want to show it to my friends

[harukamae]

Just a bit of musing since there's a lot of Mion x K1 discussion in this thread....

Wonder if outside of Minagoroshi, K1 actually proceeds with a relationship with either Mion or Rena in the games. I've watched the OP for Miotsukushi-hen in the game and there's a CG with K1 and Rena holding each other against the moon, but maybe that's just reused from Tsumihoroboshi? Maybe Miotsukushi is not only a different ending, but like renai games, the protagonist ends up with a different girl than in Matsuribayashi...Damnit, I gotta play the games!

Considering this isn't a romance oriented series, this is probably irrelevant...oh well, I can still dream about Akasaka x Okonogi and Oryou x Irie...maybe Ryuu-chan will one day answer my prayers!

[nikorai]

So, we got another violent episode. Blood, brains on the walls. I'm not a fan of such things but I cant help watching higurashi. The story is way too interesting, so are the characters.

[MarthX]

I'm kind of disappointed that we don't see Takano watanagashi'ing Rika.

[Shiroth]

I'm kind of disappointed that we don't see Takano watanagashi'ing Rika.
I was quite surprised that we didn't see it --- i'm happy enough with just hearing it though.

KEIICHI BAT ACTION made my week. I've been waiting SO MUCH to see the return of that. The return of everyone scene was beautiful --- something i didn't expect from this show, though i should have.

[shigure asa]

I'm kind of disappointed that we don't see Takano watanagashi'ing Rika.

that's cause ryuu-chan doesn't like overdoing the gore scenes~~
even though you'd think different considering meakashi and tsumihoroboshi right??

[HashiriyaR32]

Keiichi,Rena and Shion should go psycho mode,that might even the odds

They all did, at least in a PS2-exclusive arc.

[changeup]

It seems a major puzzle is answered: both Hanyuu and Rika cannot remember what happened just before Rika dies. That might explain why Rika cannot find out who the real murderer is after so many reloads......

Poor Takano, she was playing a game in which her rival can push the "reset" button a few thousand times, and she still ended up winning most of them. Gotta say GJ for her.

[Trogdor Jube]

Also I kinda laugh at how Mion can't really do jack with no REAL weapon.

[shigure asa]

It seems a major puzzle is answered: both Hanyuu and Rika cannot remember what happened just before Rika dies. That might explain why Rika cannot find out who the real murderer is after so many reloads......

Poor Takano, she was playing a game in which her rival can push the "reset" button a few thousand times, and she still ended up winning most of them. Gotta say GJ for her.

the reason rika-chan never ever remembers the culprit is not like "rika and hanyuu forget the past world's scenario"
it's that the yamainu make rika lose her senses with a chloroform and then only after miyo tries the watanagashi~~

@ minagoroshi start rika says that the end of her existence is a little like "a roll of toilet paper that's been violently torn off" ... ...
rika-chan you're so unrefined!! -3-

[Exilon]

Wow....

This epsiode... made me cry of furstration.

Part A was pretty damn "hell yeah, go gang!". I was expecting more of Satoko's trap action, but everyone's efforts made me laugh big time.


As for part B, I was completely shocked. It was heart-wrenching. I have no words to descirbe what I felt as, one by one, everyone met their doom. Especially the last two, it was WAY too cruel and sudden. I couldn't even react properly... my face when takano shot Shion was exactly the same Satoko had at that time. I was like "GOD; kill that woman. But her neck, burn her down, squart her legs, call her names". I spent the whole time calling her the mean word that starts with a b.

AAAARGH!!

and then... Seeing everyone supporting Rika, out of nowhere...
Yup, that's the word. Overkill. I couldn't contain myself.. If I could, I would be crying the heck out of me. (problem is my eyes are kidna dry so I can't cry).

That was so touching...

Takano has completely surpassed my expectations. If she was a real character, she'd get the oscar for the worst/best villain ever.

I hope she dies painfully. REALLY painfully.
takano: "waaa, please stop, please!"
Rena: "what? But the cleaver has just penetrated 3 inches. We still have many more to go. I wonder how many, I wondeR?~~ (~~kana, kana?)"
Rika: "Yes. Takano is reaaally evil and is being punished. So, please bear with it. Ni~~pah~"
Shion/Mion: "Hihi...... Takano isn't so powerful anymore, now is she? Mufufufufu..."
Satoko "Hahahahahaha~~! takano has felt for my trap. Now she's going to feel what it is like to be completely opened up. It's going to be so much fun! Hahahahaha!~~"
Tomitake: "Oh, and a photo from this angle.. and this one.. and this one!..."
Keichii: "SCREAM TO MY COOL K POSE!"

God, how I wish she'd go through that.

Just as a finishing line, I'd like to see the scene where takano is overly enjoyed (the shrine scene) immediatly followed by her psychotic moments. What a HUGE contrast. Makes me hate her even more.

[KaneDragon]

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6507/quizle5.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/6507/quizle5.jpg)

And then I come here and find out Satoko's colorblind. I guess that makes more sense now. I think I liked it more when it was some hilariously-random question. :p

Silly gang, just standing around. Oh well, better luck next time...

[dspr8_rugged]

Also I kinda laugh at how Mion can't really do jack with no REAL weapon.
Gun's just for show, eh? Well, Mion didn't have to use one since she knows CQC. :heh

I'm kind of disappointed that we don't see Takano watanagashi'ing Rika.
Unless Ryukishi07 wanted to tone down the violence and gore, we still won't be seeing the full watanagashi if not for that infamous "Nice Boat". :P

As for the broccoli/cauliflower scene... that is just so damn twisted.

[Sterling01]

I'm thinking of making a patch for the pieces since they're already translated.

[Tengusoldier]

WAIT, are we ever going to find out what happened to Satoshi?
did takano make him dissapear?

[Onniguru]

yes, It is normal for Takano. (What I meant is that both case are valid for her))
1. What is abnormal is everyone staying dumbly in front of her, without doing anything. either fighting or running away. that's what i though about the good change.

2. After some consideration with the Raw, there are some parts of the episode where the arms looks REALLY ugly. see Satoko's around 10:28

1. Yeah, with everyone standing around chatting like that in the middle of a fight, I almost thought for a minute that I had somehow screwed up and was watching Naruto (just kidding - but Naruto is famous for that, in the extreme) :p

I'm glad Time Stop isn't included, but I think a better solution to the scene was needed.

2. Look at Satoko...well, almost anytime. I've never liked Satoko's char design :frustrated:

Edit: Just wanted to add that, as far as stick arms and legs go, you should also check out around 06:14 or so in the episode, when we have the "overhead" view of Satako and Rika running. After a scene like that, I expect Rika to shout out something like "Oh god, they killed Kenny!" :D (it gave me South Park flashbacks, for some reason).

Still, overall a very good episode. I gave it a nine.

[Sumgai]

I'm thinking of making a patch for the pieces since they're already translated.

Please do!

I haven't read the pieces yet, but I'm assuming that with the end of minagoroshi, its safe to do so now?

[MarthX]

Please do!

I haven't read the pieces yet, but I'm assuming that with the end of minagoroshi, its safe to do so now?

No. The anime will most likely animate some of them.

[Sterling01]

Probably not until episode 15

[kitedragon]

K1 is slowpoke slow. I still don't understand why he didn't notice Takano when he started charging at the van with a bat. I'm pretty sure that if I saw a person pop out with a gun, I'd hide behind a tree or at least curse in acknowledgement. But that was a pretty clever idea on the part of the "evil side," albeit a little risky. Get the targets to try and attack you head on but secretly camp at the place of attack. If only K1 decided to play it safe and go around the van...

I'm very curious about what Hanyuu will do next arc. How will she actively participate with the group, I wonder?

I'm not sure if this was answered yet, but I believe that the reason Takano thought that she could become god is this: Once 2000 people die shortly after Rika's death, people will view the killings as an act of Oyashiro-sama. And when people start to fear the god, Takano knows that they are really fearing her.

And here's a question: who's stronger, Rena or Mion? We all know that Rena's pretty powerful, being easily able to carry a loli under each arm and swing a huge blade like it's nothing. But in this episode, Mion knocked out a member of the special forces as if it were nothing.

[Tengusoldier]

I think Takano killing sll those people is the outstanding achievement that was mentioned on one of the tips/poem/pieces whatever already posted in this thead, after people start fearing thet there is indeed oyashiro-sama they will fear it-and thus fear her, the story wil be told trough the ages and thus takano will attain immortality as stated by the peom/tip/piece whatever :P, when your doings transcend you natural life span you become immortal.

that still a pretty selfish and crazy way of achieving that >.>


and...could anyone answer my questio about Satoshi? O__o

[Onniguru]

I haven't played the game, but I thought this episode was epic, and the best in this season thus far.

Seeing everyone work together using their signature weapons (especially Shion's tazer, weird that her twin uses kung fu instead of her obvious gun) was awesome, and watching them die was heart wrenching. Go Takano go! >XD

Now I'm going to assume anyone who humps a door is a sadistic pedoslayer 0___0



Yeah, I was happy to see everyone re-united with their favorate weapons :love: :love:[/

[Neokage_Tokage]

I've never played the game, or read the dojin so just remember how much you hated Takano the first time you saw this. Thats how I now feel.

[Sterling01]

I've started the Putting the Pieces Together Patch and will try and have it out by the time Episode 15 airs. You can see the progress of it underneath my Profile name. And If any one wants to translate Takano's past just PM me.

Well, wish me luck

[Altima of the Gates]

Good luck!:D

[Cardiac Glycoside]

and...could anyone answer my questio about Satoshi? O__oHe will descend from the heavens and save the day!!!

Seriously, I don't know. Of all the weapons in Higurashi, my favorite is Satoshi's bat.

Bat >>>>>>> Cleaver

It's because the bat has a proud lineage of saving loli from evildoers whereas the cleaver was some junk unceremoniously unearthed from a scrap heap. Plus, the bat allows its user to win baseball games :p

As for this episode, well, it's too bad the ratings only go as high as 10.

[SnEptUne]

*Braces for the Death Note parodies involving Takano*

They are already done:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/danbooru/1fedf7241f53a7d5c08086e4b9af0b44.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/danbooru/a5656d1354a89128bbeaca9a90fab180.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/danbooru/f392a61194b895d7e3903d6d81159f1f.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/danbooru/960ba190a51913e3907fa838005b446f.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/danbooru/8297b6dfd301410754089404cfc9685e.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/danbooru/dd635d93850d246ed8afa3f8849061ae.jpg

[MarthX]

I think Takano killing sll those people is the outstanding achievement that was mentioned on one of the tips/poem/pieces whatever already posted in this thead, after people start fearing thet there is indeed oyashiro-sama they will fear it-and thus fear her, the story wil be told trough the ages and thus takano will attain immortality as stated by the peom/tip/piece whatever :P, when your doings transcend you natural life span you become immortal.

that still a pretty selfish and crazy way of achieving that >.>


and...could anyone answer my questio about Satoshi? O__o

The anime left out a certain line. Before Takano kills Shion, she accuses her of killing Satoshi. Takano then says, no he's alive then shoots her.

[Klashikari]

^ Nope, she doesn't confirm anything.
IIRC, Takano says "since I dislike being yelled, I won't tell you" with her usual "teehee" mode.

[MarthX]

Oh, really? My mistake then.

[Tengusoldier]

He will descend from the heavens and save the day!!!

Seriously, I don't know. Of all the weapons in Higurashi, my favorite is Satoshi's bat.

Bat >>>>>>> Cleaver

It's because the bat has a proud lineage of saving loli from evildoers whereas the cleaver was some junk unceremoniously unearthed from a scrap heap. Plus, the bat allows its user to win baseball games :p

As for this episode, well, it's too bad the ratings only go as high as 10.

umm, I'm guessing it hasn't been answered in the anime.
maybe it was only in the games.

X__x


ohh I see, stupid mysteries D:
so I'm guessing it wasn't mentioned in any ark game or manga or anime.

[Hasako]

i think rena>>>>>>>>>>>>>mion and so i hope for a k-1XRena ending...probably not going to be an ending like that though lol

[Sterling01]

Statoshi's fate is revealed in the Pieces and expanded upon in the last arc

[cereal_killerxx]

Statoshi's fate is revealed in the Pieces and expanded upon in the last arc

So the last arc probably won't tell what happened to Satoshi? Also, what is this "Pieces" thing everyone is talking about? Is it a game or manga or something?

[Cardiac Glycoside]

i think rena>>>>>>>>>>>>>mion and so i hope for a k-1XRena ending...probably not going to be an ending like that though lolI prefer Keiichi and Mion because of the symmetry. Assuming Satoshi is alive and we have a happy ending, each Sonozaki twin can have her own bat-wielding psychopath. And all was in perfect harmony.

[Vash002]

I have been Rena x Keiichi all the way since the beginning, but at the start of the second season i have been secretly rooting for Rika x Keiichi :heh:

@When it's next episode going to air? Monday? Friday? I have been lost since the nice food incident :(

[stillmissing]

I prefer Keiichi and Mion because of the symmetry. Assuming Satoshi is alive and we have a happy ending, each Sonozaki twin can have her own bat-wielding psychopath. And all was in perfect harmony.

Hmm, but in the end, that's not very fair to Satoshi, is it? After all, Shion's love for him was unrequited.

Although I supposed it could be argued that that itself, is in fact the symmetry.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

Hmm, but in the end, that's not very fair to Satoshi, is it? After all, Shion's love for him was unrequited.

Although I supposed it could be argued that that itself, is in fact the symmetry.If Shion weren't crazy and psychotically jealous because of Satoko, I think Satoshi would grow to love her too. Assuming he's alive and comes back, of course.

Besides, if each twin has her own bat-wielding psycho, they don't have to dislocate K1's arms anymore :p

[stillmissing]

If Shion weren't crazy and psychotically jealous because of Satoko, I think Satoshi would grow to love her too.

The thing is, that's a pretty huge assumption you're making there. And I'm just not sure what the basis for it is.

[Klashikari]

K1 is slowpoke slow. I still don't understand why he didn't notice Takano when he started charging at the van with a bat. I'm pretty sure that if I saw a person pop out with a gun, I'd hide behind a tree or at least curse in acknowledgement. But that was a pretty clever idea on the part of the "evil side," albeit a little risky. Get the targets to try and attack you head on but secretly camp at the place of attack. If only K1 decided to play it safe and go around the van...
The problem is that takano was hiding in the woods, she wasn't blatantly showing up.
furthermore, her outfit, despite being "fancy" is something which makes her harder to notice, especially in such situation.
Last but not the least: they were rushing to seize the van, because they don't have much time: they could own 4 yamainu men just because of tricky teamplay and surprise attacks. Such things won't exactly work twice, and letting the enemy surrouding them is the worst possibility ever.

And here's a question: who's stronger, Rena or Mion? We all know that Rena's pretty powerful, being easily able to carry a loli under each arm and swing a huge blade like it's nothing. But in this episode, Mion knocked out a member of the special forces as if it were nothing.Mion has some attribute with martial skills (as she and shion were teached some stunts with Akaner, their mother, IIRC).
The thing is Mion not only used her strength, but the yamainu literaly rushed on her foot. He just barely noticed her that he can't stop and get owned by Mion.
Thus, if you apply both brutal short strength and the movement by the yamainu, it is a VERY hard blow.

So the last arc probably won't tell what happened to Satoshi? Also, what is this "Pieces" thing everyone is talking about? Is it a game or manga or something?
either answering yes or no is a spoiler.
please be patient, Matsuribayashi-hen has many things to deliver, and everything won't be solved like a flash.

Pieces are in fact a minigame in matsuribayashi-hen, game version, where the player has to read "pieces", extended information (much more rich and substancial than TIPS) of the past and present.
They are called pieces since once they are put together, you know the truth and you can begins matsuribayashi-hen.

it is a "mini game" since you have to find the order of the pieces, as if you try to read a piece which shouldn't be read yet, a message will inform the player it isn't the time yet.


EDIT: I have finally finished that analysis, phew...
here you go
Episode 13: Analysis and comparison (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-13-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)

[kj1980]

Also, what is this "Pieces" thing everyone is talking about? Is it a game or manga or something?

Putting the Pieces Together (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=36807)

[MarthX]

I have been Rena x Keiichi all the way since the beginning, but at the start of the second season i have been secretly rooting for Rika x Keiichi :heh:

@When it's next episode going to air? Monday? Friday? I have been lost since the nice food incident :(

You can view the schedule here (http://cal.syoboi.jp/tid/1174). The next episode airs Monday, the 8th.

[hirahira]

Could someone make a video clip of the Broccoli or Cauliflower scene?
I really want to show it to my friends

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE DO THIS? PLEASE?

[BaalChaamon]

True but then again the rest are two lil kids and a teenager :P
I loved this episode, had me on the edge and actually praying for everyone to make it this time even though i knew better. Poor Rika...and damn u Takano, how twisted must someone be to do this to kids!

[Onniguru]

I have been Rena x Keiichi all the way since the beginning, but at the start of the second season i have been secretly rooting for Rika x Keiichi :heh:



Rena is my favorate character. Hence, I've always personally been kinda a Rena x ME fan :D :eyebrow: :eyespin::eyespin:

Now all I have to do is find a way to turn myself into an anime character so I can date her. Ah, but alas, I see that visiting hours are over for me at Bellview (tm), so I must bid you all fairwell...:confused:

[GyroidFanatic]

Now all I have to do is find a way to turn myself into an anime character so I can date her. Ah, but alas, I see that visiting hours are over for me at Bellview (tm), so I must bid you all fairwell...:confused:
Write fanfiction?

[Keiichi no Hibi]

I prefer Keiichi and Mion because of the symmetry. Assuming Satoshi is alive and we have a happy ending, each Sonozaki twin can have her own bat-wielding psychopath. And all was in perfect harmony.

What a happy end that will be. Rika can have Satoko and Hanyuu (oh and Akasaka (who comes with Ooishi O_O)) like the pimp she is and Rena... ... I dunno! *hardcore Kei/Mion fan anyway thanks*

[Seiryuu]

Really I'm not at all surprised Mion left her gun in her pocket. It's for the same reason that Rena only used the back of her beloved cleaver. These kids don't want to kill unless they absolutely have to, and guns and oversized blades are too lethal to use without such necessity. That said, this was really the kids' greatest disadvantage. As many characters in fighting anime/manga/games have said, in a truly serious fight, if you don't proceed with the intent to kill, you won't win. They were limiting their weapons and shortening their strikes, while their enemies were going all-out for the fastest, most definite kill. There's no way to win like that unless the difference in your powers is comparable to the difference between Superman and a slug.
The color-blind thing doesn't really make sense to me. To my knowledge, color-blindness makes it impossible to tell red from green, but white should be easy to distinguish, so she shouldn't be mixed up.

[k//eternal]

Rena... ... I dunno!
Kenta-kun, of course.

[Rayneing]

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa240/Rayneing/083.png
Higurashi manga ftw.

Also K1xMion is the true way to go.

[Mashimaro]

Did the preview look like we'll be seeing some sort of Takano flashback? maybe a reason why she is doing the all the things she is doing in the present? Looked like a bad childhood too but even with this, I won't forgive what she has done and still want her to die a painful death. :D

[Tengusoldier]

PLEASE CAN SOMEONE DO THIS? PLEASE?

seconded

of ourse he meant about the brocolli clip.

[raikage]

The Yamainu falling all over Satoko's traps reminded me of something... but I can't quite place what it was...

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MG/196519~Home-Alone-Posters.jpg

I don't know if I liked the "broccoli or cauliflower" question better as a random, completely out-of-left-field question (didn't know she was color-blind) or as a sadistic rub at her physical...disability? (knowing that she is colorblind).

[BakaOnna]

Really I'm not at all surprised Mion left her gun in her pocket. It's for the same reason that Rena only used the back of her beloved cleaver. These kids don't want to kill unless they absolutely have to, and guns and oversized blades are too lethal to use without such necessity. That said, this was really the kids' greatest disadvantage. As many characters in fighting anime/manga/games have said, in a truly serious fight, if you don't proceed with the intent to kill, you won't win. They were limiting their weapons and shortening their strikes, while their enemies were going all-out for the fastest, most definite kill. There's no way to win like that unless the difference in your powers is comparable to the difference between Superman and a slug.
The color-blind thing doesn't really make sense to me. To my knowledge, color-blindness makes it impossible to tell red from green, but white should be easy to distinguish, so she shouldn't be mixed up.
Colorblindness vary in degree, you know. It's not like everyone who's colorblind can't tell the difference between red/green. Red/green colorblindness is what most colorblind people have. It all depends on what part of the eyes are affected. And besides, I always thought cauliflower was slightly yellow. Green/yellow colorblindness doesn't strike me as that bizarre.

[Aisling]

I always figured Satoko stumbled over the question because, being colorblind, she might not know what "green" is without thinking a bit.

[Cardiac Glycoside]

There are many different types of colorblindness, but all of those are exceedingly rare in females. The frequency of it in males is already something like 1% of the male population but the frequency in females is a small fraction even of that. This is because it is a sex-linked recessive trait.

So I'm surprised that both Satoshi and Satoko both have colorblindness. The simplest way for that to happen is for both their parents to be colorblind.

[Tengusoldier]

There are many different types of colorblindness, but all of those are exceedingly rare in females. The frequency of it in males is already something like 1% of the male population but the frequency in females is a small fraction even of that. This is because it is a sex-linked recessive trait.

So I'm surprised that both Satoshi and Satoko both have colorblindness. The simplest way for that to happen is for both their parents to be colorblind.

pheew, good thing I learned about that genetic crap in the MGS board.

[DingoEnderZOE2]

Hmmm....I was really looking forward to this episode after being impressed with how the "Battle" was executed in the game and now I must say that I'm slightly disappointed but at the same time satisfied.

Yes I was really grateful they didn't pull the time stop which really confused me during the game, I was glad that Mion didn't go out like a coward of sorts like she did in the game, I loved how they kept Rena's brave last words to Takano exactly like it was from the game, I was even able to tolerate the fact that Takano let the surviving group run for her to take them out one by one leaving Shion,Rika and Satoko for last, the mood during the climax was pretty well done.

Most of all I was REALLY glad they kept Rika's determined words "If you want to kill me, do it without putting me to sleep. It's so I don't forget. I will carve your tearing open my stomach onto my soul. So that when we meet again I will remember that YOU ARE MY ENEMY."


But the only critical thing that I felt was missing during all of this was the 嘘
bgm that was playing during these scenes in the game. That bgm which was unfortunately not present in the anime, is what really got to you in those scenes and it really went along with Rika's words of determination. Even though I expected this to happen still it would have been a nice little bonus if they included it.

Despite that Nice episode though. It was nice seeing all of this in anime form and I'm looking forward to the final arc.

[Sorrow-K]

This is reminiscent of the most intense moments of the first series, with all the sadistic displays of people at their worst. The difference is that, in this case, our antagonist wasn't at L5.

But holy crap, what an antagonist we have here? Who are the most evil antagonists in anime? Hamdo, Legato Bluesummers, Shishio, Gauron? Well, I think it's safe to say Takano deserves to be on that list. Never mind what she did to the kids (which was shocking to say the least), how many other anime antagonists have murdered two thousand people in cold blood? That was chilling to say the least.

But it somehow lacked suspense. I think Matrim nailed it... we knew this was going to happen, and these are characters that we've seen die before. But, while seeing Takano brutally murdering people got the blood burning, the chase leading up to that wasn't as thrilling as such chase scenes can and should be. And I thought the conversation between Rena and Takano was kind of tacky, to boot.

But geez, the scene where she killed Shion and Satoko... chilling, just chilling. That was the scene that had the biggest impact for me, since it was such a depraved act, and the total lack of hesitation shows just how sinister this woman is.

I am looking forward to the next eps, though, since I always find an analysis of such evil to be fascinating. I don't think these eps will try to get us to "sympathize" with Takano... I think this show is above that. I think the more likely (and better) course of action will be a pure analysis, with no particular angle of spotlight with which she is examined.

I didn't like this episode very much. The execution seemed clunky and the art took a few nasty dives. I was especially annoyed by the scenes where everyone just stood still and talked despite being chased by murderous bastards.
Yeah, I didn't approve of that either. That's one of the reasons why I thought the chase lacked suspense.

[mist2123]

LOL TAKONO!!!! FTW!!!
I really like the episode were everyone never gave up hope. Man why must they limit the GORE! DAMN YOU AXE KILLING GIRL!!!!!!

[Sterling01]

This is reminiscent of the most intense moments of the first series, with all the sadistic displays of people at their worst. The difference is that, in this case, our antagonist wasn't at L5.

We aren't given any info in the episode that says she wasn't sick. I mean that laugh at the end reminds me of Rena's

[Matrim]

I am looking forward to the next eps, though, since I always find an analysis of such evil to be fascinating. I don't think these eps will try to get us to "sympathize" with Takano...

I hope you are right because I like Takano (as a villain in the show, not as a person of course) because of her being purely, unashamedly evil. Seeing what turned her to this dark path might well be fascinating but I hope it won't be some beaten to death cliche trying to justify partially her actions like "her father abused her, so she started to hate the whole world" or "she was bullied in school". Yes, these things are horrible and they can and do turn people to violence, despair and so on but the villain in such a brilliant series deserves some more original and i guess also more sinister motivation.

We aren't given any info in the episode that says she wasn't sick.

Well, one would think that Takano of all people should know very well how to protect herself from the disease. And those who suffer from it kill because they experience paranoia, not crazy lust for power.

I was especially annoyed by the scenes where everyone just stood still and talked despite being chased by murderous bastards.

Yes, that is a very common device which kills most of my suspension of disbelief every time. I have seen much worse cases of it, though, so I gues that's why it didn't annoy me as much as it could have.

[MarthX]

They weren't just stopping to talk. They were taking a break to catch their breath.

[Wanderer]

Well, my initial reaction was "how conventional..."

Much of this episode felt a lot like scenes from countless other anime and video games I've played, where one character stops and confronts the approaching villain so that their allies escape. And what was that stuff at the end, where they were all talking with Hanyuu after they were dead? Blah...

Takano was 100% pure evil to the nth degree, which I find terribly uninteresting. I like my villains to be more than one-dimensional, like my heroes. (Actually, the more I think about it... I thought every character in higu was kind of one-dimensional at first, and they showed me wrong with shining brilliance every time. Takano's past will be next. Let's hope the make a truly fleshed out villain.)

Well, I suppose my complaints are probably because of my very high expectations. There was a lot of good in this episode to be sure...

I got the impression that Rika wanted to be conscious when she died because her memory of past Hinamizawas was imperfect, and she wanted to make sure she remembered.

The most poignant part for me was Mion's reaction to K1 being shot. (I've really become big on K1xMion these last few weeks)

Rena's last words to Takano were pure awesome, even if Rena is just as delusional herself :P

The quiz just came out of nowhere. It was amazingly horrible and cruel, and REALLY showed just how heartless Takano was... it served only to remind Satoko (and the viewer) how Takano knew everything about Satoko... her disease... her suffering... all the things she's faced right down to her colorblindness. And Takano just killed her anyway, with a smile on her face.

So, mixed feelings. Maybe I'll like it better with time. I felt similarly when I first finished Meakashi-hen, but now I like it, so I suppose there is still hope.

[Sterling01]

Well, one would think that Takano of all people should know very well how to protect herself from the disease. And those who suffer from it kill because they experience paranoia, not crazy lust for power.

If you read the TIPS to*yoko (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=690232&postcount=134)

Which is a letter to Takano, it seems she just fulfilling her grandfather's last wish of being remembered after she dies

[Kryptik]

We aren't given any info in the episode that says she wasn't sick. I mean that laugh at the end reminds me of Rena's

Oh, no doubt she's sick...but I don't think she's Hinamizawa Syndrome sick.

It wouldn't make sense for her to suffer from the disease she 1) knows well enough about to be wary of, and 2) wants to exploit rather blatantly.

All of this seems meticulously and rather extensively planned out. This is not the work of an L5-stage victim. There's no paranoia or instinctual murderous intent. It feels too methodic for that.

More than likely, she has SOME kind of psychological thing...but it isn't the Syndrome. That'd cheapen how bat**** insane she is.

[Matrim]

Are you saying Takano is afraid of death so she wants to become a goddess and that's some form of paranoia? Well, it makes some twisted kind of sense but personally I'd prefer not to see such a development.

[Sterling01]

No Takano just wants to have something that she'll be remembered for

[Trogdor Jube]

No Takano just wants to have something that she'll be remembered for

Remembered for killing 2000?

I guess she wants to become the female hitler.

[Sterling01]

Takano + Hitler = Titler?

[k//eternal]

Heil Titler

[mist2123]

Remembered for killing 2000?

I guess she wants to become the female hitler.

Ohh why do people hate HITLER:heh: it not a bad name y'know.:heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh::heh:

[Tengusoldier]

Hmmm....I was really looking forward to this episode after being impressed with how the "Battle" was executed in the game and now I must say that I'm slightly disappointed but at the same time satisfied.

Yes I was really grateful they didn't pull the time stop which really confused me during the game, I was glad that Mion didn't go out like a coward of sorts like she did in the game, I loved how they kept Rena's brave last words to Takano exactly like it was from the game, I was even able to tolerate the fact that Takano let the surviving group run for her to take them out one by one leaving Shion,Rika and Satoko for last, the mood during the climax was pretty well done.

Most of all I was REALLY glad they kept Rika's determined words "If you want to kill me, do it without putting me to sleep. It's so I don't forget. I will carve your tearing open my stomach onto my soul. So that when we meet again I will remember that YOU ARE MY ENEMY."


But the only critical thing that I felt was missing during all of this was the 嘘
bgm that was playing during these scenes in the game. That bgm which was unfortunately not present in the anime, is what really got to you in those scenes and it really went along with Rika's words of determination. Even though I expected this to happen still it would have been a nice little bonus if they included it.

Despite that Nice episode though. It was nice seeing all of this in anime form and I'm looking forward to the final arc.

seriously WTF!!?
how can Mion be a cowrd for fearing a gun?
she is an effing teen, and I'm sure you wold piss your pants if all of a sudden a person witha gun came up with a trivial excuse for executing your firs, like, yeah I don't liek you I will shoot you in the head first!! :D, you: wait wha...*shot*

Seriously that kind of made me mad cause she didn't even see it coming...yet to call her a coward.

[-MotokoAoyama-]

Voted excellent for this episode.

Totally loved what Rena said about Oyashiro-sama, as well as Rika's line about etching the memory into her soul. I would've liked to see Keiichi's little speech during time freeze, but as some people have already mentioned, time freeze followed by a speech seems sorta cheesy. Oh well, it's anime, so I wouldn't mind.

So how are they going to do the time freeze from Matsuribayashi-hen then? It would be really awkward if it just appeared in the next arc without an introduction of sorts in Minagoroshi-hen

[MarthX]

That's assuming there will be one. Matsuribayashi's ending could very well be altered. Perhaps to Miotsukushi's.

[Sterling01]

Cheers to Miotsukushi-hen

[Klashikari]

just hope they won't change Matsuribayashi into "path of Miotsukushi". it won't make any sense, and it will be VERY redundant.
however, the ending itself might be a very big impact, though Matsuribayashi is very fine by itself.

that said, it is a bit useless to hope Miotuskushi, considering it wouldn't make sense to call it matsuribayashi so :heh:

[Kisuke06]

Wait, what is this Miotsukushi-hen? Another arc? The game isn't only 8 arcs long?

[Klashikari]

Miotsukushi-hen is the final arc of Higurashi Matsuri.
Basically, it is a "reworked" Matsuribayashi-hen, as some events were changed, and there is a rescript. (Matsuribayashi-hen isn't present in Matsuri game at all.)

an alternative end for the PS2 game. that said it is better to no say any further, so it will prevent to blurt "faint spoiler" for matsuribayashi :heh:

[Sterling01]

It's very bittersweet

[Kisuke06]

Oh, it's true, I forgot that the PS2 version had 3 new arcs. >.<

[DarkMissingno]

Higurashi has so many arcs...

Onikakushi-hen, Watanagashi-hen, Tatarigoroshi-hen, Himatsubushi-hen
Kai: Meakashi-hen, Tsumihoroboshi-hen, Minagoroshi-hen, Matsuribayashi-hen
Rei: Saikoroshi-hen, Batsukoishi-hen, Hirukowashi-hen
Manga only: Onisarashi-hen, Yoigoshi-hen, Utsutsukowashi-hen
PS2 only: Taraimawashi-hen, Tsukiotoshi-hen, Miotsukushi-hen
Anime only: Yakusamashi-hen
Light novels: Nekogoroshi-hen, Kuradashi-hen, Hajisarashi-hen

(taken from Wikipedia)


A little question: was Renas speech about Oyashirosama to Miyo somehow related to the time stop in the game?
Did she know that Hanyuu = Oyashirosama?

[Sikono]

Higurashi has so many arcs...

Onikakushi-hen, Watanagashi-hen, Tatarigoroshi-hen, Himatsubushi-hen
Kai: Meakashi-hen, Tsumihoroboshi-hen, Minagoroshi-hen, Matsuribayashi-hen
Rei: Saikoroshi-hen, Batsukoishi-hen, Hirukowashi-hen
Manga only: Onisarashi-hen, Yoigoshi-hen, Utsutsukowashi-hen
PS2 only: Taraimawashi-hen, Tsukiotoshi-hen, Miotsukushi-hen
Anime only: Yakusamashi-hen
Light novels: Nekogoroshi-hen, Kuradashi-hen, Hajisarashi-hen

(taken from Wikipedia)


A little question: was Renas speech about Oyashirosama to Miyo somehow related to the time stop in the game?
Did she know that Hanyuu = Oyashirosama?

I don't understand what you're saying. xD Rika knew Hanyuu was Oyashiro-sama, but I think Takano was just thinking that Oyashiro-sama was fake, and that she made herself the 'god'. ^^; And from what I know about the time stop, it wasn't in the anime, but Rena's speech has nothing to do with the time stop from what I know. lol. (could be wrong though?)

[Klashikari]

the problem isn't about Rika, but Rena only.
the purpose and reasons of her speech are rather obscure in the anime version.

that's why, it is a bit hard to tell if Rena keeps going in her weird belief, or if she sensed hanyuu.

considering how she quickly made her way to hanyuu after the events, it is safe to say she knows about her.

[FatPianoBoy]

A little question: was Renas speech about Oyashirosama to Miyo somehow related to the time stop in the game?
Did she know that Hanyuu = Oyashirosama?
She thought Hinamizawa syndrome was Oyashiro-sama.

[i8o]

If madman have said "there isnt god. I become god", will believer answer how?

[Tengusoldier]

Is it ok to ask where can I find te manga?
cause I have been looking around and can't find it X__x
not that i'm really good at it tough :P

[Klashikari]

just check this thread...
higurashi manga thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=31733)
it is still on the first page...

[Tengusoldier]

yep I saw that, but I didn't pay attention cause its discusiiona nd I wnated to download >.>
<.<

[Guido]

The climax to this arc delivered on me huge dosages of adrenaline rush, as I was witnessing with tension all over me if the Hinamizawa Scoobies would make it out alive or not.


It was jaw-dropping and eye-popping action watching the ladies kick ass imperially.

Mion with martial arts; Rena with her trademark cleaver; Wily Satoko pulling out her pranks; and for a long kiss good night how about a shocker by courtesy of Shion's stun gun. Hey, why didn't Rika bring her spray can? In cases when you're pursued by a bunch of covert ops with military traning it's not wise to leave for escape weaponless.:heh:

Everyone put out a good fight but hopes crumbled once away, as Takano brought her gun to turn the tide.

The bitch! Why is she doing all this massacre? What are true motive? Dang, listening Takano laughing hysterically like a raving lunatic at the end made me feel bad.

We won't know the whole truth until the Hinamizawa Scoobies travel onto the next Hinamizawa.

And on a personal note, I almost bashed up Hinamizawa since she has been keeping up with that down mood and hopeless attitude of hers.

However, the most beautiful scene at the climax of the episode was when all of Rika's departed friends stood with her and offered their hands to Hanyuu not to give up, since they already made a miracle by themselves.

I guess the miracle can be interpreted that their friendship truly united their efforts to fight back but wasn't enough. They need the help of EVERYONE and that includes Hanyuu as well.
The miracle maybe that Hanyuu realized that until that moment she was only an existence to watch, but nothing comes out if you watch and wait.

Maybe by taking everyone's hands there's the possibility that in the next world Hanyuu will finally do something rather than watching.


Note: I really loved the music played when Rika was brought gagged to the Furude Shrine, waiting to be dissected.

On which soundtrack that track is featured? It's sort of a mix of fear and sorrow.

[Grimkill7]

Takano is just a Kira wannabe. Too bad she doesnt have what it takes to beat L.

Oh and Mion x Kei FTW

[Eryops]

Takano is just a Kira wannabe. Too bad she doesnt have what it takes to beat L.

Oh and Mion x Kei FTW
Considering that she has manages to pull of her plan successfully in practically every world that Rika has been to, I'd say that her success rate is significantly better than that of Light.

[Sterling01]

She wasn't able to do it in two of them

[Eryops]

She wasn't able to do it in two of them
Agreed. I didn't say that she was always successful but even excluding the ones where she failed, that probably still leaves hundreds of worlds in which she succeeded.

[k//eternal]

But what if Rika had successors like L did?

TOGETHER, WE CAN SURPASS RIKA...

[MezzoDragon]

This series is great, but will makes me think of a Saturday Afternoon Special about friendship. Keiichi beats people on the head with a bat, but he and the girls are beating the viewers with a friendship life lesson. At least, that is what I perceive it.

[Sinestra]

Man this episode hit me on so many levels. But even though we had to watch our lil un's get killed it showed promise for the future. Rika and now the rest of the group have even more information than they did before and Rika was determine to remember in the next world. What I loved was watching everyone standing their ground together. Rena was fucking cool she actually pissed off Takano and that laugh made me think about the old Rena.

Takano is just screwed up and im sure its due to her past anyone who claims to be god needs so special attention. It took me a while to figure out why everyone was their at the end with Rika and why they could see Hanyu but i got it after a bit. My hope is that everyone can see Hanyu in the next arc and Rika does remember that Takano is their true enemy.

Oh and K1 was seriously GAR till the very end even after getting shot, A cast as likable as this one i see why Higurashi does very well. I honestly thought my last bit of hope was going to be stomped out this time but there is still some hope left as we move into the finale arc. I dont think i can take watching my pretty Mion get killed again well that goes for everyone.

Of course I gave it a 10

[narmi]

Another great episode, I can't wait for episode 14. Hmm with that I wonder how they will adapt the other arcs.

[Kaioshin Sama]

This is how drama should be done. After 39 episodes with this cast we've come to love them, care for them and feel as if we are among them. The character web is as thick as it can get as are the ties that bond them. The best part of this episode is near the end though and embodies the essence of gar:

Hanyuu joining the 7 heroes. To the next world and....ONWARD TO VICTORY! Never Give Up, Never Surrender.

"Courage Can Turn Even A 1% Chance Of Victory Into 100%" - Gai Shishioh

[MaxwellDemon]

Whew!
I finally got around to finish Minagoroshi... I rather am late. :heh:

I am surprised most people called Mion's last stand as a heroic thing to do though. From the way she hugged Keiichi's blood on her hand in the last bit, I thought it was more a "if he is gone, I am going too" kinda thing.

Depsite of not playing the game, I have to admit... the deaths were somewhat less dramatic without the game selection of music (according to the videos I have watched anyway :p). I think they could had done a lot more with Mion and Shion's deaths too.

[Doyobi]

This is one of best's Higurashi&Kai episodes! ^^ Everyone are in there, but..
that stupid Takano killed everyone.. >: (
I gave 10 for this.

[Lost-Wisdom]

I think I've already posted, but I'll like to recall this episode again, it was just, heart-breaking.
I don't really want to go into detail on what happened but I'll say that Rika was so close to break the bonds of Fate.

I mean, after all that, CMON!