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NoSanninWa
2007-10-05, 01:10
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After episode 73 was published in the last volume of Shounen Monthly Jump the mangaka, Yagi-sensei, decided to take a break from continuing the story to release various side stories. This chapter is the fourth of four extra chapters that are being released monthly in Shounen Weekly Jump until Claymore is moved to a new monthly magazine. These chapters feature side stories that took place in the past. It is expected that they will be done after this one and chapter 74 will be published next month.
Chapter 74 will be released in November, a month from now.
Anh_Minh
2007-10-05, 02:10
Who's that? Long haired Clare? Alicia?
USCPharmacist
2007-10-05, 02:21
Could That Be, Nooo It Can't Be, But But Oh My God Don't Tell Me It Is Rufi Before She Was Awaken, Oohhhhhyeaeaaaaaaaahh!!!!
I guess this means the raw is either close to release or out already, oh well last ES I guess, they were fun while they lasted.:)
hollywoodlou
2007-10-05, 02:56
That's Riful?????
BrokenWingz
2007-10-05, 04:04
When claymores awaken, they can't revert to looking younger correct? Since I was having a look at the wikipedia of claymore characters and I notice the picture of "Priscilla's child form" thought I went back and re-read volume 11-12 and on closer inspection it's just Priscilla as she normally appears drawn at a particular angle...though this was a while back so might be wrong.
Anyhow, I reckon it's Clare. ;p
Shadow X
2007-10-05, 04:52
Uh argh! Who is that on the picture. :s
Looks like Clare but doesn't seem right. x_x
kakashisensei
2007-10-05, 05:37
nvm what i said earlier, the hair resembles alicia's too much
Icephere
2007-10-05, 07:13
Welcome to the monthly discussion thread for Claymore, Chapter ES 4.
Thread Guidelines
Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum.
The Claymore manga is licensed by Viz so questions about scanlations or answers about scanlation are not allowed. Remember that AnimeSuki does not enable downloading of any licensed anime or manga.
Discuss your expectations of the chapter if it has not been published yet.
Be polite to your fellow forum members.
Please try to keep the discussion on topic.
Spoilers will not be policed in this thread, so if you haven't read the chapter yet, just stay out if you don't want to read spoilers.
http://s02.imagehost.org/1245/ClaymoreES4.jpg
After episode 73 was published in the last volume of Shounen Monthly Jump the mangaka, Yagi-sensei, decided to take a break from continuing the story to release various side stories. This chapter is the fourth of four extra chapters that are being released monthly in Shounen Weekly Jump until Claymore is moved to a new monthly magazine. These chapters feature side stories that took place in the past. It is expected that they will be done after this one and chapter 74 will be published next month.
Chapter 74 will be released in November, a month from now.
WoW!!!
I would bet that is Riful before awakening! Her hairstyle is exactly like the abyssal Riful.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-05, 08:31
Ohh.. the anticipation is killing me. :uhoh:
http://s02.imagehost.org/1245/ClaymoreES4.jpg
"That day" when everything was lost.
The girl that knocked on the door of the organization.
That must be Clare .... but I wanted a story about Riffle as well T.T
DeathAngelBR
2007-10-05, 10:15
Ohh.. the anticipation is killing me. :uhoh:
+1 :uhoh: :D
random893
2007-10-05, 10:17
That would be Clare as evidenced by the katakana that is the furigana for shoujo.
Perhaps the Story, where she meets her only Friend inside the Org. How she must slain in "the black Card"?
So it is Clare.
I was hoping it's another character like Riful. It would have been really nice if we see her backstory.
Although this may also be good, because we may be able to see the detailed process of claymorization or whatever it's called. Hopefully, I'm right. ><
ah, I didn't even see the furigana above "shoujo", so small :D
it's indeed "Clare who knocked at the door of the org"
King Lycan
2007-10-05, 13:05
-_- might be irene :p
by the way Ritful ur sig is so Kawaiiiiiiiii :love:
Icephere
2007-10-05, 13:11
Perhaps the Story, where she meets her only Friend inside the Org. How she must slain in "the black Card"?
omg not that one again...it is established that her friend is(forgot her name) is so dear to her and has been there for her =(
This chapter better not disappoint me :d
Will be interesting to get a look at how the Organization trains them to become Claymores.
Bikerider
2007-10-05, 16:34
How can a chapter of Claymore disappoint ?? This is not comprehensible in my reality.
hollywoodlou
2007-10-05, 17:09
I'm not sure it's Clare. but it looks like it. Why is there an ES about the star of the series itself? Doesn't make any sense. It looks like Alicia though.
At least Raki isn't around this time.
If i understand all here, then this Picture is Clare when she is a Claymore newbie. Fresh joined, and with her Original Hair length.
The Hair has confused me, too.
and if is it not Clare, then must be other chibi Claymore... You see that around the chest area :)
King Lycan
2007-10-05, 18:37
I Say Its Irene In Her Young Ages Or Flora we may never know :heh:
hollywoodlou
2007-10-05, 22:42
Damn, nobody knows for sure??? :heh:
We might as well have another POLL. lol
Just want to say raw is out.
Just read ES4 raw...
(Base on some quick Chinese translation)
A group of trainees talks about the special one that took the fresh of the strongest Claymore. A trainee (lets call her 'A', I am not sure if her name was ever mentioned) found that interesting and challenge Clare.
During the fight 'A' found that Clair is actually very weak, and talks about the 1/4 yoma is a failure etc. Clair still wants to continue, but Rubel appears and stop them, saying that they are not allowed to use claymores yet. Rubel ask Clare if she regret it, and she say no, it's fine.
1 year later, one-eye MIB tell a group of 10 trainees to fight 5 v.s. 5. The 5 winners may be promoted to warriors. Clare go off alone from her team, and found 'A' going after her. 'A' is still stronger than her. As 'A' chases Clare they run into bodies of teammates of 'A'. A yoma appears and heavily injured 'A'. Clare pulls 'A' into a house. The yoma sees Clare's long hair through a window, but it is actually a decoy, and Clare managed to surprise and kill the yoma.
At the end only two survived the graduation exam.
Well now we know how Clare got her current hair style.
She cuts it to use as a distraction for the Yoma.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-10-06, 03:14
My first thought is Miata. Hahahahha, guess I am the minority here.
Icephere
2007-10-06, 06:07
Well now we know how Clare got her current hair style.
She cuts it to use as a distraction for the Yoma.
Won't it be possible that her hair would grow longer after a couple of years?
BaalChaamon
2007-10-06, 08:07
Oh man so it is on Clare's history of becoming a Claymore warrior...well we figured that she must have had a tough time so i dont really see the point on developing this story any further. Would have rather seen other characters background explained further but alas it wasnt ment to be.Still excited about it and cant wait to read it!
Oh man so it is on Clare's history of becoming a Claymore warrior...well we figured that she must have had a tough time so i dont really see the point on developing this story any further. Would have rather seen other characters background explained further but alas it wasnt ment to be.Still excited about it and cant wait to read it!
I don't think this story was just about how tough it was for Clare to become a Claymore. I think it's more about how tough it is for any girl to become a Claymore.
versando
2007-10-06, 10:37
is the translation out already ? :confused:
BaalChaamon
2007-10-06, 10:39
Then it could have dealt with that aspect by using a warrior other than Clare. Guess she was picked to also explain how she lost her long hair.
Then it could have dealt with that aspect by using a warrior other than Clare. Guess she was picked to also explain how she lost her long hair.
The only other characters that could be used with any effect would be Riful. However, the selection process back then may not be relevant compared to the more recent selection process of the current generations. I'm guessing that they'd all be similar enough that characters could be easily interchangeable.
Anh_Minh
2007-10-06, 12:51
I think Riful had it relatively easy. Youngest, strongest and all...
p1
Clare: On the day that Teresa died...I lost everything...Forgetting everything,I, who wasn't strong enough to go on living, placed my foot there of my own will.
Trainee: Hey, look.
p2
Trainee: It's her. That's the one that has Bishou no Teresa, the strongest in history, in her...the special body...Clare.
Trainee2: Special body...? To have the flesh and blood of a warrior...? can you really do that? Isn't it just a rumor? Well, anyways, if she has the strongest in her it'll be interesting. I'm going check her out.
p4
Clare: Ku...!
Trainee2: What's wrong? You were ok with a normal sword, but your movements are slow with a claymore.
p5
Trainee: H...hey! Even if it can't cut, you went too far. After all, we aren't allowed to use trainee claymores.
Trainee2: "Yet"...We're going to use them soon so it's about time that we get used to the weight.
p6
Trainee: Still, this is too much.
Trainee2: Someone that can't wield a claymore with one hand can't be called a warrior. I guess the story that she received Teresa's power was just a rumor afterall. Well I guess the problem is that she has the flesh and blood of a warrior in her. Not half, but one quarter...in power as well as strength, she is half as good as us. She's just a bad failure. You alright? Your right shoulder is dislocated, want me to fix it for you?
p7
Clare: Not interested.
Trainee2: Hey hey, what are you doing?
Clare: We're coninuing, get ready.
Trainee2: You serious?
Rubel: I don't remember an order allowing the use of claymores.
p8
Rubel: Today's training is over. Leave now, this isn't your playground.
Trainee2: Hehe.
Rubel: Hey, hurry and hand it over. It should be especially heavy for you.
p9
Rubel: What's wrong? Having regrets? If we had used a normal youma, you would have been an (ordinary/average) warrior.
Clare: No, it's fine. This..this is fine.
Rubel: Hehe...you're quite interesting.
p10
Handler: Ok, this will be your final exam. Once this is over, you will be real warriors. Therefore the exam will be like a real battle. It will be a fight between teams in the ruins. The ten of you will be split into two groups of five and the five from the winning team will be raised to warrior status. The ones you're using don't have symbols, but they are real claymores so if you want to live, fight with all your strength.
p11
Handler: That stick is the dividing line between the teams, memorize the faces of the opposing team as well as those of your own team.
Trainee2: Hey, it seems we can pick up where we left off a year ago.
Handley: Ok, move off into the town. The team battle begins now!
p12
Trainee3: What's with this fighting with real claymores crap?
Trainee4: So these five are our team?
Trainee3/4?: The other side seemed have more combat strength. We should resolve ourselves and fight.
Trainee5: Hey you! Are you listening?
Clare: There seems to be a strange presence...
Trainee5: h...hey wait!
Trainee3: Forget her, it's better that someone who messes up teamwork not be here to begin with.
p13
Clare: That's right, this presence...it's almost like...
Trainee2: I didn't think you would stroll around on your own, Clare-chan!
p14
Trainee2: Hehe, so you've gotten better, your arm didn't get dislocated like last time!
p16
Clare: Wait...something...something is wrong!
Trainee2: You spent a year learning that cliche'd trick?
p17
Trainee2: Ugh...Damn you. Like I'll let you get away, idiot. Bastard...
p18
Clare: Ku...
Trainee2: H...hey wait a minute, isn't that my team? Your team did this, didn't they! When.
p19
Trainee2: Ugh
Clare: Damn, yo...youma...
p20
Handler: Well then...I did tell them that it would be like a real battle, I wonder if anyone actually paid attention. I wonder how many will survive this time...
p21
Trainee2: Idiot, leave me. I'd rather die than be saved by you!
p22
Clare: Don't say that you're willing to die so easily. Struggle to find a way to live until the very end, no matter how shameful it is. Ku...
Trainee2: What are going to do? You're your usual self and I'm like this so what can we actually do?
p23
Youma: One is close to death...out of the ten all that's left is the one with long hair. Even then, trainees shouldn't be so bad at hiding themselves or their youki...There!
p24
Trainee2: Too bad...you missed
p28
Trainee2: Thanks, that hair...weren't you pround of it?
Clare: I have no special attachment to it. Whether it's long or short, I'm still myself.
p29
Trainee: I guess that's right. But it really suited you. (I'm having trouble with this 3rd line so it is likely wrong) That may represent your hopes.
Clare: Want a hand?
Trainee2: Thanks...actually I can't move by myself and was wondering what I was going to do...
p30
Rubel: Hmmm, so she survived.
Handler: So you came, Rubel.
Rubel: (not sure if this idiom with special meaning so I'll just do a literal translation) Well she's so bad that it's cute. Well, this is good news, is what I'd like to say, but it's much harsher after becoming a warrior. The warrior who received Teresa's flesh and blood, Clare, hmmm.
p31
Rubel: I wonder what kind of battles she will face from now on...
There are probably mistakes in here, but the general idea should be correct. Some of the lines a pretty awkward, but I didn't feel like spending too much time finding the right words.
P.S. I'd appreciate it if this isn't used in a scanlation.
I found the fact that Teresa was repeatedly presented as the strongest in history interesting to my biased perspective.
chibamonster
2007-10-06, 17:45
Claymore trainee Battle Royal!!! I liked the trainer who had one of his eyes covered and used his pole to regulate things. He's a new man in black I haven't seen before. Clare certainly seems to be her original introverted determined self. Even with a view into how the claymores train, not much was presented on the whole hybrid process so I will have to wait until more of that comes out.
I was definitely confused by long haired Claire though. Certainly seemed a lot like Miata/Irene/Riful based on the cover. Well I guess we'll never know how Riful met Dauff. Oh well. I really wanted to see when Riful awakened, but I guess that can appear later in a flashback like with Luciella... maybe.
Could someone PM me the link to the scene, I cant seem to find it online:(
EDIT: I got it now, man I felt that chapter really added to the whole "Rubel the Claymore Pedophile":heh: theory. Especially the second to last page where he says something to the exam handler, about her being weak.
hollywoodlou
2007-10-06, 18:41
Claymore trainee Battle Royal!!! I liked the trainer who had one of his eyes covered and used his pole to regulate things. He's a new man in black I haven't seen before. Clare certainly seems to be her original introverted determined self. Even with a view into how the claymores train, not much was presented on the whole hybrid process so I will have to wait until more of that comes out.
I was definitely confused by long haired Claire though. Certainly seemed a lot like Miata/Irene/Riful based on the cover. Well I guess we'll never know how Riful met Dauff. Oh well. I really wanted to see when Riful awakened, but I guess that can appear later in a flashback like with Luciella... maybe.
Yup, a new watcher/character I haven't seen before...like he's the drill sergeant for Claymore Camp, but a real brutal one though. I like the long haired Clare though. But good thing she cut it off because we've got enough supermodel long-haired Claymores already.
zhoutai753
2007-10-06, 21:27
man of course its clare jst look at the face.
i wanna see how they get trained to become claymores. like clare learning how to smile like a prostitute rofl
chibamonster
2007-10-06, 21:53
When I first started reading claymore I got really confused at who was who until I realized that their hair was different. Then I looked for hair and symbols to keep track of who was doing what. Otherwise it was really hard for me. I must not have noticed the difference between the faces (besides ophelia's wicked smile and the fact that jean has no eyebrows).
p1
Clare: On the day that Teresa died...I lost everything...Forgetting everything,I, who wasn't strong enough to go on living, placed my foot there of my own will.
Trainee: Hey, look.
p2
Trainee: It's her. That's the one that has Bishou no Teresa, the strongest in history, in her...the special body...Clare.
Trainee2: Special body...? To have the flesh and blood of a warrior...? can you really do that? Isn't it just a rumor? Well, anyways, if she has the strongest in her it'll be interesting. I'm going check her out.
p4
Clare: Ku...!
Trainee2: What's wrong? You were ok with a normal sword, but your movements are slow with a claymore.
p5
Trainee: H...hey! Even if it can't cut, you went too far. After all, we aren't allowed to use trainee claymores.
Trainee2: "Yet"...We're going to use them soon so it's about time that we get used to the weight.
p6
Trainee: Still, this is too much.
Trainee2: Someone that can't wield a claymore with one hand can't be called a warrior. I guess the story that she received Teresa's power was just a rumor afterall. Well I guess the problem is that she has the flesh and blood of a warrior in her. Not half, but one quarter...in power as well as strength, she is half as good as us. She's just a bad failure. You alright? Your right shoulder is dislocated, want me to fix it for you?
p7
Clare: Not interested.
Trainee2: Hey hey, what are you doing?
Clare: We're coninuing, get ready.
Trainee2: You serious?
Rubel: I don't remember an order allowing the use of claymores.
p8
Rubel: Today's training is over. Leave now, this isn't your playground.
Trainee2: Hehe.
Rubel: Hey, hurry and hand it over. It should be especially heavy for you.
p9
Rubel: What's wrong? Having regrets? If we had used a normal youma, you would have been an (ordinary/average) warrior.
Clare: No, it's fine. This..this is fine.
Rubel: Hehe...you're quite interesting.
p10
Handler: Ok, this will be your final exam. Once this is over, you will be real warriors. Therefore the exam will be like a real battle. It will be a fight between teams in the ruins. The ten of you will be split into two groups of five and the five from the winning team will be raised to warrior status. The ones you're using don't have symbols, but they are real claymores so if you want to live, fight with all your strength.
p11
Handler: That stick is the dividing line between the teams, memorize the faces of the opposing team as well as those of your own team.
Trainee2: Hey, it seems we can pick up where we left off a year ago.
Handley: Ok, move off into the town. The team battle begins now!
p12
Trainee3: What's with this fighting with real claymores crap?
Trainee4: So these five are our team?
Trainee3/4?: The other side seemed have more combat strength. We should resolve ourselves and fight.
Trainee5: Hey you! Are you listening?
Clare: There seems to be a strange presence...
Trainee5: h...hey wait!
Trainee3: Forget her, it's better that someone who messes up teamwork not be here to begin with.
p13
Clare: That's right, this presence...it's almost like...
Trainee2: I didn't think you would stroll around on your own, Clare-chan!
p14
Trainee2: Hehe, so you've gotten better, your arm didn't get dislocated like last time!
p16
Clare: Wait...something...something is wrong!
Trainee2: You spent a year learning that cliche'd trick?
p17
Trainee2: Ugh...Damn you. Like I'll let you get away, idiot. Bastard...
p18
Clare: Ku...
Trainee2: H...hey wait a minute, isn't that my team? Your team did this, didn't they! When.
p19
Trainee2: Ugh
Clare: Damn, yo...youma...
p20
Handler: Well then...I did tell them that it would be like a real battle, I wonder if anyone actually paid attention. I wonder how many will survive this time...
p21
Trainee2: Idiot, leave me. I'd rather die than be saved by you!
p22
Clare: Don't say that you're willing to die so easily. Struggle to find a way to live until the very end, no matter how shameful it is. Ku...
Trainee2: What are going to do? You're your usual self and I'm like this so what can we actually do?
p23
Youma: One is close to death...out of the ten all that's left is the one with long hair. Even then, trainees shouldn't be so bad at hiding themselves or their youki...There!
p24
Trainee2: Too bad...you missed
p28
Trainee2: Thanks, that hair...weren't you pround of it?
Clare: I have no special attachment to it. Whether it's long or short, I'm still myself.
p29
Trainee: I guess that's right. But it really suited you. (I'm having trouble with this 3rd line so it is likely wrong) That may represent your hopes.
Clare: Want a hand?
Trainee2: Thanks...actually I can't move by myself and was wondering what I was going to do...
p30
Rubel: Hmmm, so she survived.
Handler: So you came, Rubel.
Rubel: (not sure if this idiom with special meaning so I'll just do a literal translation) Well she's so bad that it's cute. Well, this is good news, is what I'd like to say, but it's much harsher after becoming a warrior. The warrior who received Teresa's flesh and blood, Clare, hmmm.
p31
Rubel: I wonder what kind of battles she will face from now on...
There are probably mistakes in here, but the general idea should be correct. Some of the lines a pretty awkward, but I didn't feel like spending too much time finding the right words.
P.S. I'd appreciate it if this isn't used in a scanlation.
I found the fact that Teresa was repeatedly presented as the strongest in history interesting to my biased perspective.
I wonder if we are going to see miss trainee #2 again in the future. Maybe she'll challenge Clare again and get pawned. :p
A couple of interesting things:
Claire's hair does not grow, from graduation to the battle of the north to current. We know that Claymores do not age but maybe their physical appearance stagnate to the extent that their hair is constant as well?
Or maybe the artist is just lazy.
Rubel does not age! Interestingly enough even as he says that a claymore is heavy he lifts it with 1 hand, I think this would support the theory that the MIB are half-yoma as well.
dutchman
2007-10-07, 00:56
Interesting scene..
Graduating claymore style. put in a hatfull of noob trainees mix a yoma into this and see which ones survives... No wonder the organisation always requires new recruits.
Also the yoma appeared to be knowing he was involved in some kind of excercise this together with the ' awakened' male during the slashers arc is really making me suspicious to the real intentions of the organisation.
Shadow X
2007-10-07, 01:00
Just read it, interested chapter. :D
Now I am happy that next month we will be getting chapter 74+. :)
The best story (IMO of course) was saved till the end. Great chapter, I didn't feel that I was reading filler. Organization is really wicked ]:-).
hollywoodlou
2007-10-07, 01:47
1) It just shows that Clare had her yoki sensing abilities at a young age, but she was already a Claymore. That is high quality Teresa blood in her.
2) Clare's hair origin...(long hair Clare looks good though). It also means their hair don't grow any further after transforming into Claymores.
3) In order to graduate or kill Claymores, yomas are the answer. We can all assume now that yomas and the ORG have an "agreement"...just like the Slashers' arc. I can still remember Ermita saying "that yoma was special." after the Slashers' killed the AB @ the mountains. Same thing applies here: the ORG will always have replacements, and they've got AB's and yomas working for them in a controlled environment (I think).
4) Rubel doesn't age...we can surmise as well, that he's definitely NOT human...and so's the ORG members.
5) Not all Claymore trainees are cute and good looking.
BaalChaamon
2007-10-07, 02:05
5) Not all Claymore trainees are cute and good looking.
Haha i just couldnt help myself giggling as i read this
Spot on with your points hollywoodlou, nothing suprises me in regards to the Org., interesting how there are no females in their ranks.
Overall I quite enjoyed this chapter, it nicely shows Clare's drive and determination.
Sassarai
2007-10-07, 02:09
oh man this felt like a filler to me :(
Shouldnt manga chapters have a poll? So I can give it a painful.
Bikerider
2007-10-07, 02:21
I don't believe the youma and Org have an arrangement. That youma was probably given a choice: Be used in training warrior cadets or be hybridization material. Easy choice, really.
Anh_Minh
2007-10-07, 02:48
2) Clare's hair origin...(long hair Clare looks good though). It also means their hair don't grow any further after transforming into Claymores.
Or that she took the "it looks better on you" phrase to heart and just keeps it short.
Mandrake
2007-10-07, 03:12
Or that she took the "it looks better on you" phrase to heart and just keeps it short.
Thats what I thought. Wasen't Ilena's hair longer when she met up with Clare again?
Claymores can grow their limbs and organs then why not hair :] ?
Edit:
On page 14 of this chapter there is a claymore which resembles Undine very much.
Clare should be able to regenerate her hair. Remember when Deneve lost her arm and she had to regenerate it? This means Deneve also lost her fingernails, which technically has the same basic components as hair. If she was able to regenerate her her entire arm along with her fingernails, then hair shouldn't be a problem. Therefore Clare should be able to regenerate her hair.
Claymores can grow their limbs and organs then why not hair :] ?
Edit:
On page 14 of this chapter there is a claymore which resembles Undine very much.
Yeah, but we know only these Two survived this....
These Haircut from the other Claymore... I don't remember saw it until now... Only Mirias old friend can come near to it...
Mr Hat and Clogs
2007-10-07, 05:56
Interesting chapter, some nice info's and some OK action, see that Clare had her perception skills even back then, she must have had a lot of potential in the MIB eyes. have to say I prefered Clare with long hair over short. Rubel is the everywhere man, I think its pretty doubtful that the MIB are regular human, maybe they have found ways to augment without going to the lengths they have to with the women (the hinted scaring and disfigurements would suggest this). Or maybe they just don't want to fight, thus have no need to use their power and never feel the need to awaken.
Yeah, but we know only these Two survived this....
All we know is that youma said so but propably he can count to ten so his mistake is unlikely. On the other hand we've seen only four bodies so maybe somehow she survived ? Nah.
DazarGaidin
2007-10-07, 07:05
Oh ..it was just clare killing nameless yoma #1.. *yawns* Though revealing that the org keeps a stock of yoma on hand...
oh mine so thats the reason why clare cuts her pretty hair!!!
edited:
i got a rough idea why claremores cant grow their hair out . . .
yoma we have seen are all bald isnt it? (except awaken beings?) maybe all yoma are suppose to be hairless, and perharps the reason why all claymore hair are yellow, are probably dead hair
Clare should be able to regenerate her hair. Remember when Deneve lost her arm and she had to regenerate it? This means Deneve also lost her fingernails, which technically has the same basic components as hair. If she was able to regenerate her her entire arm along with her fingernails, then hair shouldn't be a problem. Therefore Clare should be able to regenerate her hair.
Isnt Deneve a defensive claymore which is capable of regnerating? I though that offensive claymores cant regenerate but only able reconnect back their limbs, maybe i got it wrong all the time haha
zhoutai753
2007-10-07, 08:55
A couple of interesting things:
Claire's hair does not grow, from graduation to the battle of the north to current. We know that Claymores do not age but maybe their physical appearance stagnate to the extent that their hair is constant as well?
Or maybe the artist is just lazy.
Rubel does not age! Interestingly enough even as he says that a claymore is heavy he lifts it with 1 hand, I think this would support the theory that the MIB are half-yoma as well.
i think in most anime hair is constant, u expect them to include in the manga everytime they trim their hair. i dont think i remember any anime that does that.
rubel may have youma blood in him since he does not age. He cant be human, so that means he can be either youma or something else
So, it seems like out of ten, only two girls have "graduated" to full Claymores. Harsh, and, I guess, reinforces the 'We always can make more' attitude Organization has.
BTW, this 20% success rate jives pertty well with what was gleaned from Teresa's info - seventy seventh generation, warrior number 182 (which can be interpreted as ~2.36 warriors per generation). Yay consistency!
So, it seems like out of ten, only two girls have "graduated" to full Claymores. Harsh, and, I guess, reinforces the 'We always can make more' attitude Organization has.
BTW, this 20% success rate jives pertty well with what was gleaned from Teresa's info - seventy seventh generation, warrior number 182 (which can be interpreted as ~2.36 warriors per generation). Yay consistency!
I'm not so sure it's a 20% rate. I'm thinking that no one passes most of the time and when someone does pass, it's usually just one. This doesn't seem like the kind of test that would produce a horde of Claymores.
Anh_Minh
2007-10-07, 12:50
I'm thinking it's actually quite irregular. Sometimes it's zero, sometimes it's one or two, sometimes it's five. It really depends.
For example, I can quite easily imagine Theresa's test with the youma getting killed first, and the five girls not on Theresa's team getting knocked out in minutes or less (depending on how much she wants to show off).
King Lycan
2007-10-07, 13:35
-_- i just saw the chapter and wasnt so fun as the other one's but i realy would i have loved one for Irene :sad:
but cant wait till next month for ....:love:
hollywoodlou
2007-10-07, 13:54
So, it seems like out of ten, only two girls have "graduated" to full Claymores. Harsh, and, I guess, reinforces the 'We always can make more' attitude Organization has.
BTW, this 20% success rate jives pertty well with what was gleaned from Teresa's info - seventy seventh generation, warrior number 182 (which can be interpreted as ~2.36 warriors per generation). Yay consistency!
The 'washout' rate is horrendous then. Your calculations are quite correct. It's the same rate that out of every cute chibi they produce, there will always be 1 Rachel for every 7 "hot" Galatea-Teresa's.;)
I also surmise that when the drill sargeant is quoted as saying "how many will survive this time?", means they've got the replacements. Yomas must be killing the population at a horrible rate that girl orphans are supplied to the ORG at an endless rate as well.
NoSanninWa
2007-10-07, 17:04
Claire's hair does not grow, from graduation to the battle of the north to current. We know that Claymores do not age but maybe their physical appearance stagnate to the extent that their hair is constant as well? 2) Clare's hair origin...(long hair Clare looks good though). It also means their hair don't grow any further after transforming into Claymores. oh mine so thats the reason why clare cuts her pretty hair!!!i got a rough idea why claremores cant grow their hair out . . .
yoma we have seen are all bald isnt it? (except awaken beings?) maybe all yoma are suppose to be hairless, and perharps the reason why all claymore hair are yellow, are probably dead hair
Huh? Seriously? Didn't it ever occur to you that Clare might cut her hair?
When was the last time you saw someone's hair appear change length during the course of a show? I've seen characters get their hair cut, but it appears to be the same length both before and after the cut. It is just assumed that they get hair cuts so regularly that you cannot tell the difference in hair length without measuring it.
If you think about it, sometimes hair falls out or accidents happen. I've also seen their hair sometimes get cut by a near miss in a fight. Eventually all Claymore would go bald if they couldn't grow new hair. It might take 10 or 20 years, but eventually their ungrowing hair would look really awful. They certainly could not maintain a beautifully cut head of long hair like Galatea has.
Unless we are ever informed that Clare keeps her hair short because it is impossible to grow, I am just going to assume it is now her preference.
DazarGaidin
2007-10-07, 17:15
Maybe she can grow it back and just decided to keep it short cause she thought it looked good or was more suited to warrior? Maybe she cuts it regularly?
edit: nosannin phantom posted me so nvm ;)
Yesterday I read the fourth extra chapter.
I agreed with everyone here that I was confused as well with the identity of the protagonist for this story, until turning to the second page which revealed was it Clare.
This is the setup for the times when Clare was a freshman recruit at the organization and got picked on or bullied by one of her peers. Of course, having lost Teresa, she did not give rat ass back then and continues to do so.
She volunteered in order to get strength and power to consume her revenge against Priscilla, that's all there's to be about Clare.
Though I'm going to miss the long-haired Clare forever.
As many of you have pointed out, your observations are quite sharp. The yoma was at the very least frustrated that the recruit did not know how properly to hide their yoki.
It plainly hints openly that Yoma are dispatched by the organization into the graduation tests to serve as vehicles in order for some sort of natural selection, that is the most apt recruits with sharp senses and strong survival instincts, and let's not forget talent and common sense as well, lived through the test and become certified warriors.
Teresa/Clare1415
2007-10-07, 19:02
I liked this Extra Chapter. Still a bit upset about Clare's hair though. She looked better with it long.
Sassarai
2007-10-07, 19:04
-_- i just saw the chapter and wasnt so fun as the other one's but i realy would i have loved one for Irene :sad:
but cant wait till next month for ....:love:
Noooooess no more extra scenes till after the manga is over;; This extra scene felt like a bad chapter of MxO manga @_@;;
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-07, 19:37
I enjoyed all of them, although I am glad we are getting back to the main story. I would not mind extra chapters again some time down the road, but only if the author needs a break, otherwise I would far prefer to have the story continue till its conclusion.
Sassarai
2007-10-07, 19:41
Hes probably stuck on what to do with that Galatea next ;; <3 galatea. I wonder if shes gonna get killed off.
awesome. Clare in Long hair is Kawaii. aww Ill miss them
Very interesting chapter. And btw, Clare seems to be much younger than we thought she is ;)
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-08, 09:58
Not really, I expected her to be about 17-18, she is just short.
and keep in mind she was a Claymore for a while before she even met Raki.
zato_1one
2007-10-08, 10:24
5) Not all Claymore trainees are cute and good looking.
But cute girl will pass the exam and become Claymore. :heh:
LesAmiesNoir
2007-10-08, 11:14
I must say that I found chapter 3 the best, even if all chapters held a somewhat importance to the story I found chapter 3 the best, then 2, followed by 4 and last 1. Sorry not a Teresa fan, I don't dislike her or anything it's just that I found the other chapters from interesting.....
Made me like Iseily allot more, also Rigardo has his charm and Priscilla to, she and Iseily makes a good combo even if it's obvious he's just tricking her. I'm curious to see what they make of that.
hollywoodlou
2007-10-08, 11:39
But cute girl will pass the exam and become Claymore. :heh:
It's a prerequisite.:p For every 8 Galatea's, one Rachel will get through.
Not really, I expected her to be about 17-18, she is just short.
and keep in mind she was a Claymore for a while before she even met Raki.
Well, I remember that in earlier discussion people gave her about 22-25 years. I don't think that as long as seven years passed between ex.ch.4 and 1st chapter of the manga. ;) But OK, this is not so important.
More importantly, I'm impressed how skilfully these extra chapters were written from the point of view of character design. What the skill is required to write a single chapter like this?? I just don't get it :)
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-08, 15:02
Well, I remember that in earlier discussion people gave her about 22-25 years. I don't think that as long as seven years passed between ex.ch.4 and 1st chapter of the manga. ;) But OK, this is not so important.
More importantly, I'm impressed how skilfully these extra chapters were written from the point of view of character design. What the skill is required to write a single chapter like this?? I just don't get it :)
I placed her at about 25-27, as she struck me as being around the age of 20 when she was first introduced.
and he is the writer of Claymore, so I suppose practice and talent? :P
brutalman
2007-10-08, 20:15
Could Trainee #2 actually be Rachel with a different haircut?
(I find it next to impossible to tell Claymores apart in the manga. I suppose the mangaka decided to make things difficult for himself, what with all his main characters being young women with the same colour hair and eyes all dressed in identical uniforms...)
I liked ES4 and ES3 the most, I actually learned something interesting from each of them. ES1 and 2, just fillers.
Bikerider
2007-10-08, 20:59
Which one is Rachel ??
hollywoodlou
2007-10-08, 21:14
Could Trainee #2 actually be Rachel with a different haircut?
I said the same thing when her name wasn't mentioned in ES4. Looks like her though, and talks like her as well. But I doubt it.
Which one is Rachel ??
The # 5 (NOT good looking ) partner of # 3 Audrey (the hot looking one) in chapters 68-73. The one who looks like Billy Idol.
It really says something about the current numbers if that were Rachel. It would mean that she's weaker than Eva, Flora, and Jean.
chibamonster
2007-10-09, 00:24
This chapter really leaves me wondering why claymores don't revolt against the organization. If this graduation ceremony is the same for every claymore, that means that they may have been forced to kill their own friends. (Which did happen for Claire later with Elaina) What a way to be initiated into their blood soaked world. Kill youma, kill each other, but don't hurt those pesky humans that bother you. Priscilla must have gone berserk when a youma showed up. I'm amazed that more Claymores don't end up like Ophelia.
Just looking at how bad the claymore world is I would chose to awaken. No more pain, no more organization, and you finally get to enjoy eating.
NoSanninWa
2007-10-09, 00:29
This chapter really leaves me wondering why claymores don't revolt against the organization. If this graduation ceremony is the same for every claymore, that means that they may have been forced to kill their own friends.
You seem to have missed that they were not forced to kill their friends. Part of the test is figuring out what the test is. The student Claymores were killed by a youma. The students were broken up into two groups to fight the youma, not each other. I'd suspect that if they want to kill each other that is optional, but graduation only requires the death of the youma.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-09, 00:33
I definatly do not think it was, considering that Clare would have commented if she had recognized her, and the fact that Rachel is part of a completely seperate generation.
Bikerider
2007-10-09, 01:21
ah... k... I thought the latest #5 is Rachael... Not Rachel... Does look similar. I don't think that trainee survived very long as a Warrior. She's not good at sensing Youma.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-09, 10:52
ah... k... I thought the latest #5 is Rachael... Not Rachel... Does look similar. I don't think that trainee survived very long as a Warrior. She's not good at sensing Youma.
Or judging by the performance of the other recruits, Clare has always been quite good at sensing Yoki. So it is possible she survived as long as an average Claymore, hell there is a small possibility she is still alive or awakened.
khryoleoz
2007-10-09, 16:40
Could Trainee #2 actually be Rachel with a different haircut?
(I find it next to impossible to tell Claymores apart in the manga. I suppose the mangaka decided to make things difficult for himself, what with all his main characters being young women with the same colour hair and eyes all dressed in identical uniforms...)
I liked ES4 and ES3 the most, I actually learned something interesting from each of them. ES1 and 2, just fillers.
Well, you can like ES4 and ES3 better than the other two, but I don't get your basis for relegating ES1 and ES2 to "just fillers" when they ALL are "fillers". In terms of their contributing value to the main plot, the order of strength is ES1, ES3, ES4, and ES2. I hope I don't need to explain myself again why I think that is.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-09, 19:26
Well, you can like ES4 and ES3 better than the other two, but I don't get your basis for relegating ES1 and ES2 to "just fillers" when they ALL are "fillers". In terms of their contributing value to the main plot, the order of strength is ES1, ES3, ES4, and ES2. I hope I don't need to explain myself again why I think that is.
Well it goes without saying that I disagree with your opinion :p
hollywoodlou
2007-10-09, 19:42
double post....
hollywoodlou
2007-10-09, 21:19
Well, you can like ES4 and ES3 better than the other two, but I don't get your basis for relegating ES1 and ES2 to "just fillers" when they ALL are "fillers". In terms of their contributing value to the main plot, the order of strength is ES1, ES3, ES4, and ES2. I hope I don't need to explain myself again why I think that is.
I agree ES1, being the first has set the bar for the next 3. Like all "filler" episodes (and they ALL are), ES2 with Miria's side story on her relationship with Hilda was a story that needn't be told. That version of the story has been told in the Slashers' arc, and the appearance of Ophelia saved that ES. ES3 and ES4 were more informative, BUT ES3 with Prissy didn't exactly tell us how she lost her memory. At least in that episode, we now know why Rigaldo went nuts @ Pieta...he got beat by BOTH Isley and Pris, and Claymores were the only game he could hunt.
ES1 at 1st, while you could interchange BOTh ES3 and 4, while relegating ES2 at the back seems logical at this point.
Sassarai
2007-10-09, 21:35
you know the fillers bad when everyone just talks about hair :(
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-10, 00:06
I enjoyed all the side stories quite a bit, but Long-hair Clare is a topic of interesting. I am still not sure how we got into a discussion of whether Claymore's hair grows or not, when it is quite obvious it does. :heh:
Sassarai
2007-10-10, 00:12
Is there even an anime or manga that shows ppl going to get haricuts besides beauty pop -_-? Which by the way is actually a pretty good manga.
brutalman
2007-10-10, 04:29
Well, you can like ES4 and ES3 better than the other two, but I don't get your basis for relegating ES1 and ES2 to "just fillers" when they ALL are "fillers". In terms of their contributing value to the main plot, the order of strength is ES1, ES3, ES4, and ES2. I hope I don't need to explain myself again why I think that is.
ES3 isn't a filler at all - I think it's an important part of the main story, and I don't know why it's been done as an extra scene.
ES4 isn't filler to me. To me, Claymore is Claire's story, and Claire surviving the Org's first major test is an important part of that. We also get to see how the Org tests its students. If that does turn out to be Rachel she saves it really shouldn't be an ES either.
The only new thing ES1 told us was that Theresa was deliberately hiding her strength from the Org. We already knew they underestimated her strength. We already knew she was awesome.
ES2 was obviously there for the Miria and Ophelia fans. I think Miria's boring and I've seen enough of Ophelia. I'd rather the space had been spent on Helen and Deneve.
Devilz911
2007-10-10, 06:26
Order of Importance: ES3 > ES4 > ES1 > ES2
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-10, 10:04
Order of Importance: ES3 > ES4 > ES1 > ES2
Meh is put it as, ES3 > ES4 = ES2 > ES1
ES2 at least gave us some closure and detail over Miria's past, unlike the vague picture we had before, and Miria herself has enter main-charater status along with the rest of the Fab 4. It basically accomplished the same thing that ES4 did.
ES1, as some people have already said, was basically there to tell us how awesome Teresa was, and we all already know Teresa was awesome :p
ES3 was most important for plot as far as the Extra Chapters go, and it also gave us moments of awesomeness.
I do however wish we had a Helen / Deneve ES, it would have given ES3 a run for its money just because of Helen :D
Sassarai
2007-10-10, 10:08
Yea but did you know that teresa was so awesome that she can solo ABS!!??? I mean a former number 1 awakened with only 10 percent yoki release? That's crazy she could probably solo easley and riful. That's not just powerful thats CHEATN'N. Hence we know why she had to die. The weak survives and the strong just simply dies. Reverse Shishioism.
Meh its pointless rating fillers since they all dont really effect the main story much and add little details about hair, etc etc
btw miria fan banner= ok avatar = christmas tree hairdo /cry.
khryoleoz
2007-10-10, 13:21
Meh is put it as, ES3 > ES4 = ES2 > ES1
ES2 at least gave us some closure and detail over Miria's past, unlike the vague picture we had before, and Miria herself has enter main-charater status along with the rest of the Fab 4. It basically accomplished the same thing that ES4 did.
ES1, as some people have already said, was basically there to tell us how awesome Teresa was, and we all already know Teresa was awesome :p
ES3 was most important for plot as far as the Extra Chapters go, and it also gave us moments of awesomeness.
I do however wish we had a Helen / Deneve ES, it would have given ES3 a run for its money just because of Helen :D
Well, it seems to me that ES1 is being subordinated in reaction to the lofty treatment that Teresa is being given. That's fine. Not everybody has to like Teresa and I would not deny anyone their right to have this reaction. But objectively speaking, other than vague hints here and there, there had been no explicit information offered that showed THE EXTENT to which Teresa hid her strength until this side chapter.
I mean, aside from the obvious pandering to Teresa fans (which may be the majority of Claymore readers) what was the value of pitting a now dead character against an awakened former number 1? This we may expect to play an important role in the future as it gives Clare a limitless potential in which to tap, casting a shadow of doubt on the notion propagated by the org that Priscilla had even greater potential. So I while I can see how the reaction to Teresa's treatment would affect one's appreciation of the chapter, I can't see how an objective reader would diminish its overall importance.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-10, 17:49
The thing is, we already knew Teresa was incrediably powerful, and her defeating an awakened former #1 (in all reality a #2) was no suprise to me at all. I would not go so far as to say Teresa could easily solo an Abyssal One either, just because Rosemary was the #1 before Teresa does not mean she was equal in power to the Abyssal Ones.
and there has always been a large shadow of doubt over whether Priscilla's potential did surpass Teresa's, hell just look at any of the recent arguements I have had on these boards. I even had one over on another forum when Extra chapter 1 first came out.
I love Teresa as much as the next fan of Claymore, she is and always will be one of my favorite characters, but her extra chapter, from an objective point of view, really did not tell us anything we did not know, except that Teresa killed a #2 AB that used to be #1 before her.
and I like Miria's Christmas Tree hair-do :heh:
Sassarai
2007-10-10, 18:39
Well even if shes not equal to the power of a number 1 teresa still slayed her easily. Besides isnt teresa suppose to be more effective against ABs since they release huge amounts of yoki? Its still a guess but I dont see it as being a bad one.
As for prissy just because she has the potential doesnt mean she will beat teresa. For example they kept saying this guy or that guy has the potential to become the next michael jordan yet pretty much all of them failed well except maybe 1 or 2(too early to tell). You still have to put in the hard work and effort or potential is wasted. I dont think just because prissy turned into an AB makes her potential any better since teresa could of done the same and whooped her up. If yagi sensei wanted to make it clear that prissy was stronger Im sure he wouldnt of made it in a form of a cheap shot -_-.
Anyways these are all just speculations I dont think there's such a thing as a right or wrong answer either way.
Like I said all those extra scenes barely told anything or have much importance at all -_-.
btw- nooo not the christma tree hairdo :(
Anh_Minh
2007-10-10, 23:35
ES1 confirms something we've suspected without knowing, but I have to admit that, much as I enjoyed it, it didn't tell us something we needed to know. After all, she's dead, so how strong she really was is moot. Clare's strength is her own, not Theresa.
Then again the same could be said for all the ES, except maybe ES3. I didn't really like it, but it did tell us that Pris' "amnesia" isn't just Easley's misinformation. That's useful to know.
BrokenWingz
2007-10-11, 05:51
The thing is, we already knew Teresa was incrediably powerful, and her defeating an awakened former #1 (in all reality a #2) was no suprise to me at all. I would not go so far as to say Teresa could easily solo an Abyssal One either, just because Rosemary was the #1 before Teresa does not mean she was equal in power to the Abyssal Ones.
and there has always been a large shadow of doubt over whether Priscilla's potential did surpass Teresa's, hell just look at any of the recent arguements I have had on these boards. I even had one over on another forum when Extra chapter 1 first came out.
I love Teresa as much as the next fan of Claymore, she is and always will be one of my favorite characters, but her extra chapter, from an objective point of view, really did not tell us anything we did not know, except that Teresa killed a #2 AB that used to be #1 before her.
Thing is, Teresa being able to take on Rosemary is the same as her taking on the strongest claymore besides herself. In the sense say for example, if Clare was able to take on Racheal and win, it doesn't mean that she defeated a number 6 if she were to be given a rank back again, she defeated a number 5, in terms of strength. In the same sense that Rosemary has the strength of a number 1.
If that doesn't make sense then here's another example: If you were to put Teresa in Riful's time and if Teresa was stronger than Riful ( not saying she isn't, I reckon she is xD), according to that then Riful wouldn't be AO in terms of strength.
Devilz911
2007-10-11, 06:26
Rosemary wasn't that strong, even Priscilla is far stronger than she is, Rosemary is probably only a bit stronger than Irene.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-11, 08:55
If that doesn't make sense then here's another example: If you were to put Teresa in Riful's time and if Teresa was stronger than Riful ( not saying she isn't, I reckon she is xD), according to that then Riful wouldn't be AO in terms of strength.
That is the major flaw in the Organizations classification of "Abyssal Ones" If only former #1's need apply, then how come someone who was not even #1 at the time is stronger then all of them? The Organization's way of ranking strength makes it difficult to judge exactly how powerful people are across generations. Teresa's own words fit this situation best: "You are number 2."
We could even say that, through logic, that 70% Priscilla was stronger then AB Rosemary, simply because Teresa only used her power against Rosemary to stretch her muscles a bit, while against Priscilla she was forced to because she could not read her Yoki.
Sassarai
2007-10-11, 09:25
I figured out the REAL reasons you guys were able to tell power levels.
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/106/ni1is2.jpghttp://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1438/ni2nw3.jpghttp://img530.imageshack.us/img530/9429/ni3ce0.jpg
DAMM IT I WISH I HAVE THAT SKILLZ.
BrokenWingz
2007-10-11, 09:54
^ Lol.
That is the major flaw in the Organizations classification of "Abyssal Ones" If only former #1's need apply, then how come someone who was not even #1 at the time is stronger then all of them? The Organization's way of ranking strength makes it difficult to judge exactly how powerful people are across generations. Teresa's own words fit this situation best: "You are number 2."
We could even say that, through logic, that 70% Priscilla was stronger then AB Rosemary, simply because Teresa only used her power against Rosemary to stretch her muscles a bit, while against Priscilla she was forced to because she could not read her Yoki.
Yes, as well as we're not exactly told the time difference between Teresa's battle with Rosemary and Teresa's encounter with #2-#5 / Priscilla, Teresa might've gotten stronger or weaker being with Clare, i.e loss her warrior's edge, who knows, all the more to think about. :heh:
half_awake
2007-10-11, 11:09
My guess is the mangaka's intent with ES1 was to reinforce the strength of Theresa, most notably before her growing merciful (i.e. after meeting Clare and later sparing Priscilla).
I agree with what some have said before: this has an impact on our view of Clare's potential in several ways. First, Clare may have astounding strength if she were to awaken, but second - and more importantly - even if she is incapable of matching Theresa's strength, there remains more than enough reserve to challenge virtually all Claymores (and possibly ABs) if cultivated correctly. In addition, the repeated suggestion by the Org that there is something unique about Clare may refer to not only her latent strength/potential but the invaluable possibility of maintaining her humanity as an AB.
Consider this - by utilizing Theresa, who all markers indicate was most powerful Claymore ever created (which is dramatically supported by ES1), the dilution of her Yoma in Clare to 1/4 vs. the usual 1/2 could possibly preserve a more than adequate level of Yoma strength AND increase Clare's humanity by 50%. The more I've considered it, the more I believe that this will be key. It explains Clare's progressive ability to awaken not only selective portions of her body but also maintain a human consciousness. I'm aware that she was losing some level of control when all of her limbs were awakened, but she maintained her sanity for a substantial period of time prior to that point - certainly enough to take down Rigald/Rigardo/Ligardes.
On a second note,
Regarding the claim that only number 1's can be abyssals, I'm not sure this is correct. It's my interpretation that those three (Riful, Isley, and Luciela), while coincidentally number 1's, were more importantly the most powerful Claymore's created prior to Theresa (or possibly, considering that Riful and Isley were members of the first male and female classes, they contain more Yoma content? actually never considered that before... perhaps the Org was still experimenting with percentages at that point...maybe I'm forgetting if this is documented somewhere in the manga). Considering Theresa's strength, again significantly on display in ES1, she could very well have absolutely outclassed the abyssals if she were to awaken. This leaves the potential for Priscilla to be - despite her rank of #2 - Abyssal class in her awakened form. There was simply that much of a disparity in Theresa's strength relative to all Claymore's that came before her.
In addition, there's no sure way to know if Rigardo would be considered an Abyssal had he not been defeated by Isley. He has never entered combat with Riful or Luciela due to his allegiance to Isley. While I realize this may be a stretch, we simply can't be sure due to their history. Of course, it's hard to discount the fact that Isley, Luciela and Riful are just so God @#$% huge... but Rigardo's case is strengthened by the fact that Priscilla, who is relatively small in size, defeated both Ligardes and (sort of) Isley. (I'm not even going to mention Dauf, he's just too much of a dope to consider :D )
Thoughts?
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-11, 11:36
My guess is the mangaka's intent with ES1 was to reinforce the strength of Theresa, most notably before her growing merciful (i.e. after meeting Clare and later sparing Priscilla).
Being merciful does not directly lower your strength, it certainly made Teresa more hesistant to kill, but I doubt she would have lost any skill just over a few days with Clare.
I agree with what some have said before: this has an impact on our view of Clare's potential in several ways. First, Clare may have astounding strength if she were to awaken, but second - and more importantly - even if she is incapable of matching Theresa's strength, there remains more than enough reserve to challenge virtually all Claymores (and possibly ABs) if cultivated correctly. In addition, the repeated suggestion by the Org that there is something unique about Clare may refer to not only her latent strength/potential but the invaluable possibility of maintaining her humanity as an AB.
I guess I can't speak for others when I say that I always assumed that Clare had that potential, ever since we learned Clare had Teresa inside of her. Judging from Clare's past pre-awakening attitude, I doubt her retaining her humanity while awakening is possible.
Consider this - by utilizing Theresa, who all markers indicate was most powerful Claymore ever created (which is dramatically supported by ES1), the dilution of her Yoma in Clare to 1/4 vs. the usual 1/2 could possibly preserve a more than adequate level of Yoma strength AND increase Clare's humanity by 50%. The more I've considered it, the more I believe that this will be key. It explains Clare's progressive ability to awaken not only selective portions of her body but also maintain a human consciousness. I'm aware that she was losing some level of control when all of her limbs were awakened, but she maintained her sanity for a substantial period of time prior to that point - certainly enough to take down Rigald/Rigardo/Ligardes.
The selective awakening was more from Irene's training in the Flash-sword then anything imo, although I am certain Clare's humanity has made it significantly easier for her to bring herself back from the brink, but with all the partial awakenings is she really only 1/4 Yoma anymore?
On a second note,
Regarding the claim that only number 1's can be abyssals, I'm not sure this is correct. It's my interpretation that those three (Riful, Isley, and Luciela), while coincidentally number 1's, were more importantly the most powerful Claymore's created prior to Theresa (or possibly, considering that Riful and Isley were members of the first male and female classes, they contain more Yoma content? actually never considered that before... perhaps the Org was still experimenting with percentages at that point...maybe I'm forgetting if this is documented somewhere in the manga). Considering Theresa's strength, again significantly on display in ES1, she could very well have absolutely outclassed the abyssals if she were to awaken. This leaves the potential for Priscilla to be - despite her rank of #2 - Abyssal class in her awakened form. There was simply that much of a disparity in Theresa's strength relative to all Claymore's that came before her.
They never refer to Priscilla as an Abyssal, ever, and as we know she is stronger then any of them. Your theory on whether the earlier generations had more Yoma in them is interesting though. Abyssal Ones are all previous #1's, on the other hand that is why we refer to certain people as Abyssal class because Abyssal Ones are former #1s.
I have no doubt Teresa would outclass the Abyssal Ones should she awaken, just like Priscilla has, but I do question her ability to "easily defeat Abyssal Ones" without awakening or nearly dying herself. I have serious doubts over whether Rosemary could be considered Abyssal Class at all, I put her more around Rigaldo's level (whether above or below is debatable.)
In addition, there's no sure way to know if Rigardo would be considered an Abyssal had he not been defeated by Isley. He has never entered combat with Riful or Luciela due to his allegiance to Isley. While I realize this may be a stretch, we simply can't be sure due to their history. Of course, it's hard to discount the fact that Isley, Luciela and Riful are just so God @#$% huge... but Rigardo's case is strengthened by the fact that Priscilla, who is relatively small in size, defeated both Ligardes and (sort of) Isley. (I'm not even going to mention Dauf, he's just too much of a dope to consider :D )
No one ever refers to him as an Abyssal One, yet he is incrediably powerful, being a #2 who thought he could take Isley, but was wrong. (Amazingly similiar story eh?)
The Abyssal Ones certainly are HUGE, but as you said, Priscilla made it clear size does not matter.
I found it immensely interesting that Priscilla is actually holding back her full strength, possibly subconciously.
and as much as Teresa's chapter supported Teresa's strength, Priscilla's chapter did the same in showcasing her potential.
I believe Gooral and I had an arguement recently over why Teresa's Extra chapter came first, and I now believe it was to cement Teresa's strength and to later compare it to Priscilla's, as Priscilla's chapter was released later then Teresa's.
That is of course putting aside Teresa's popularity. :heh:
and LOL at Sassarai's post
Sassarai
2007-10-11, 12:31
I've created a graph using my free art program call GIMP since im too lazy to find/buy photoshop to show you guys how much we learned from extra scene 1
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1883/awesome1la7.gif
As we can clearly see that there's more then one level of awesomeness. Just because we already knew Teresa was awesome we didnt know exactly which level she was at. We also learned as much as other extra scenes which is not a whole lot.
p.s We also learned that it would of taken an awakened Teresa just to beat me.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-11, 14:06
Lol, that is indeed alot of awesomeness in that chart, glad to see you think of yourself so highly :heh:
half_awake
2007-10-11, 16:59
Fenrir, thanks for the comments. I had a few ideas:
Being merciful does not directly lower your strength, it certainly made Teresa more hesistant to kill, but I doubt she would have lost any skill just over a few days with Clare.
I guess my intent with mentioning her newfound compassion is that it limited our glimpse of her full potential. She no longer fought to kill; she simply wanted to eliminate her hunters and move on. This is compared to the ES1 which displayed her taking appropriate measures from the start against a more powerful enemy. When Theresa fought Priscilla, the power of an AB had not been explained; ES1 therefore gave us a clearer understanding of Theresa's potential against what we now know is maximum competition (Abyssal one's notwithstanding).
The selective awakening was more from Irene's training in the Flash-sword then anything imo, although I am certain Clare's humanity has made it significantly easier for her to bring herself back from the brink, but with all the partial awakenings is she really only 1/4 Yoma anymore?
Just wanted to confirm that her Yoma content can't increase, only the strength and control of that content can change. From everything I remember, we can assume that she will remain 3/4 human permanently.
They never refer to Priscilla as an Abyssal, ever, and as we know she is stronger then any of them. Your theory on whether the earlier generations had more Yoma in them is interesting though. Abyssal Ones are all previous #1's, on the other hand that is why we refer to certain people as Abyssal class because Abyssal Ones are former #1s.
I agree completely - if I gave the impression that Priscilla was an Abyssal One, that's my mistake. In looking back, I just noticed that I mentioned she had the potential to be Abyssal class in my original message, just as you described.
I have no doubt Teresa would outclass the Abyssal Ones should she awaken, just like Priscilla has, but I do question her ability to "easily defeat Abyssal Ones" without awakening or nearly dying herself. I have serious doubts over whether Rosemary could be considered Abyssal Class at all, I put her more around Rigaldo's level (whether above or below is debatable.)
I'd have to agree with you regarding Theresa easily defeating AOs in her unawakened form (if she could defeat them at all), and would guess that even in her awakened state she'd get tested significantly. That being said, I doubt she'd come out on the bottom of the pile with any of them.
About Rosemary - if your analysis of her strength is correct, this supports the purpose of ES1 to the max (I just reread it now and am reconsidering a little). Think of it - that means that Theresa could have annihilated Rigardo after releasing only 10% of her Yoki. TEN PERCENT! The only change in her appearance was her eyes. THIS is what ES1 was all about. Which makes me think her awakened form might be able to effectively take on 1 or more abyssals and succeed with only average exertion.
No one ever refers to him as an Abyssal One, yet he is incrediably powerful, being a #2 who thought he could take Isley, but was wrong. (Amazingly similiar story eh?)
Right - my mention of Rigardo as an Abyssal was contingent on his beating Isley. If the roles had been reversed and Rigardo somehow beat him, the lion king could very well have been considered the AO.
Being merciful does not directly lower your strength, it certainly made Teresa more hesistant to kill, but I doubt she would have lost any skill just over a few days with Clare.
One could argue that it was the "weakness" of mercy that lead to her being killed. She sensed Priscilla's potential, and knew she was unstable. Irene completely believed she would take her out when she had the chance and was shocked that Teresa spared her the first time. Even then, when on the verge of awakening, Teresa was hesitant, trying to get Priscilla to stop releasing her power.
So while not losing skill, her quality as a warrior diminished and it cost Teresa her life. In a battle such as that, it is kill or be killed.
What I think the ES showed us was that Claire merely brought her mercy to the surface, but that Teresa followed a personal code to not kill unless she needed to. By having already awakened, Rosemary relieved Teresa of the guilt or burden of killing a fellow warrior. She did not have to show mercy because there was none to be given.
Simply stretching her muscles a bit was only to reinforce the notion that Teresa truly was an incredibly powerful Claymore. Strong enough to defeat an awakened former number one with barely a scratch on her. It probably hints to what Claire might be able to tap into, but it also makes me wonder about how much of Claire is actually Teresa as well. Less of Claire with Teresa's power, but more like a fusion or merge, if you will.
Just speculation on that last part though.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-11, 22:07
Fenrir, thanks for the comments. I had a few ideas:
:D
I guess my intent with mentioning her newfound compassion is that it limited our glimpse of her full potential. She no longer fought to kill; she simply wanted to eliminate her hunters and move on. This is compared to the ES1 which displayed her taking appropriate measures from the start against a more powerful enemy. When Theresa fought Priscilla, the power of an AB had not been explained; ES1 therefore gave us a clearer understanding of Theresa's potential against what we now know is maximum competition (Abyssal one's notwithstanding).
I always thought that Teresa's mercy actually helped hint at how powerful she was, it marked a strength that we still have not seen in the story, so nothing in extra chapter 1 really suprised me.
Just wanted to confirm that her Yoma content can't increase, only the strength and control of that content can change. From everything I remember, we can assume that she will remain 3/4 human permanently.
But what then are Awakened Beings? Are they not Claymore's whose bodies have been taken over by their Yoma half, turning them into something else?
By that logic the Partially awakenings of the Fab 4 would bring them closer to their Yoma half (or 1/4th as is the case) and merging their human half more completely with the Yoma half. So it is quite possible that the partial awakenings are more completely intergrating the Yoma DNA into their bodies.
I agree completely - if I gave the impression that Priscilla was an Abyssal One, that's my mistake. In looking back, I just noticed that I mentioned she had the potential to be Abyssal class in my original message, just as you described.
:D
I'd have to agree with you regarding Theresa easily defeating AOs in her unawakened form (if she could defeat them at all), and would guess that even in her awakened state she'd get tested significantly. That being said, I doubt she'd come out on the bottom of the pile with any of them.
I would place my money on Teresa personally, but she would not be in good shape when it is over.
About Rosemary - if your analysis of her strength is correct, this supports the purpose of ES1 to the max (I just reread it now and am reconsidering a little). Think of it - that means that Theresa could have annihilated Rigardo after releasing only 10% of her Yoki. TEN PERCENT! The only change in her appearance was her eyes. THIS is what ES1 was all about. Which makes me think her awakened form might be able to effectively take on 1 or more abyssals and succeed with only average exertion.
I guess I was in a minority when that did not suprise me at all, I always figured Teresa would pwnzerize the crap out of Rigaldo.
Right - my mention of Rigardo as an Abyssal was contingent on his beating Isley. If the roles had been reversed and Rigardo somehow beat him, the lion king could very well have been considered the AO.
Quite possibly, or whatever the Organization decides to name Priscilla's level of power when they find out. :heh:
half_awake
2007-10-12, 05:50
What I think the ES showed us was that Claire merely brought her mercy to the surface, but that Teresa followed a personal code to not kill unless she needed to. By having already awakened, Rosemary relieved Teresa of the guilt or burden of killing a fellow warrior. She did not have to show mercy because there was none to be given.
That's a really, really great point - she mentions "Killing an awakened being rather than a comrade makes me feel much more at ease."
That line puts some of her later actions into much better perspective and provides another solid basis for ES1. Good catch - I didn't process the full impact of that statement.
Godly_senselessness
2007-10-13, 12:19
To be honest,this was a disappointing ES for me.It should not have been about Clare.It could have been about several other interesting Characters like Raki for instance.......................................... ........Heh Heh jus kidding,don't hate me.
Devilz911
2007-10-14, 11:29
There's nothing interesting about Raki :)
I actually hoped for an ES with no fights at all. All of the ES' are fights in Claymore. It got repetitive after the 2nd one. Even the over-the-top gory manga Battle Royale managed to have some ES with no violence.
I actually hoped for an ES with no fights at all. All of the ES' are fights in Claymore. It got repetitive after the 2nd one. Even the over-the-top gory manga Battle Royale managed to have some ES with no violence.
Maybe a ES about Raki's life before the appearance of Clare suits you most.:D
BaalChaamon
2007-10-15, 07:37
After reading it again I feel this ES to be a bit of a waste...we knew already that the Org. doesnt give a damn thing about their recruits and we knew already how strong Clare's resolve was.
Claymore without fighting would be like having a Christmas withouth the Christmas tree. As Deneve said somewhere, the Claymore is a warriors life(something along the lines).
Sassarai
2007-10-15, 09:40
After reading it again I feel this ES to be a bit of a waste...
WHAT U TALKING ABOUT!??? WE GOT TO SEE HOW CLARE LOST HER HAIR!!! ITS WAY WORTH ITZZZZZZ!! Blasphemy!!
chibamonster
2007-10-15, 13:23
I'm just excited that we will finally know who miata and clarice have actually tracked down.
Will we? it could actually be a Raki centric chapter :p
romulusx5
2007-10-18, 13:22
I'm just excited that we will finally know who miata and clarice have actually tracked down.
yeah, i know. im new to claymore and read the entire chapters in 2 days. the recent es is very informative. i can understand why people are talking about her hair but it is hard not to ignore.:p
khryoleoz
2007-10-18, 23:27
Frankly, I prefer Clare with that shorter hair. It's sexier for her, just as Devene is hot with really short hair. Miria looks great in a ponytail. And so does a young Teresa, very cute.
romulusx5
2007-10-19, 10:54
Frankly, I prefer Clare with that shorter hair. It's sexier for her, just as Devene is hot with really short hair. Miria looks great in a ponytail. And so does a young Teresa, very cute.
you are right. i also prefer clare with shorter hair. i can say that the supermodels like teresa, irene and galatea with their long supermodel hair are just in a different class by themselves.
the not goodlooking girl' looks like rachel, doesn't she?
airguitar316
2007-10-19, 15:27
you are right. i also prefer clare with shorter hair. i can say that the supermodels like teresa, irene and galatea with their long supermodel hair are just in a different class by themselves.
the not goodlooking girl' looks like rachel, doesn't she?
I doubt she is. rachel belongs to the new class of Claymores. Will we see her again, I doubt it but I can never say never.
FateAnomaly
2007-10-19, 22:27
Prefer Claire with long hair. So far only Helen short hair is nice.
romulusx5
2007-10-20, 19:21
so in summary, the 2 things people are talking about in the extra scene is 1) clare's hair and 2) the org are unfeeling jerks, right? oh, i forgot, someone said not all trainees are cute and goodlooking. lmao
What else can you really talk about? Clare's yoki sense? Half-yoma coachs? Suicidal or controlled Yomas on Claymore's training grounds?
One thing, maybe: What happens to excess Claymores? The organisation is obviously not controlling the number of trainees who get promoted, so if there is only 1 place among the 47 and 10 trainees graduate, what happens? Do they organise regular tournaments to determine who is among the 47, and who is kept in reserve? Do they kill the excess? Are they constantly below 47 full Claymores so the question doesn't arise? And in the first place, why limit themselves to 47 Claymores? It's not like the girls are high maintenance, and with an army of them, they could take the world. If they threw thousands of middle-ranking Claymores at single AO, they could win.
And yeah, speaking of that, why isn't there any ranged Claymore? If AB and AO were not stupid, they'd just form ranged attack squads and Claymores would be as helpless as french knights at Crécy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cr%C3%A9cy), or more generally, swordsmen before a machinegun.
DazarGaidin
2007-10-21, 07:38
There is at least 1 ranged claymore, Helen :)
But yeah, i think they do it that way so no one would feel threatened by them (read: humans or really powerful abyssal ones). A few claymores wandering around better just stay away from rabonia ...but that army massing over there might need to be dealt with...
Also keeping the claymores seperated and individualistic for most of the time makes it harder for them to rebel/collaborate and easier to control. Let them form up in small groups as needed then disband before they get any ideas ala slashers
airguitar316
2007-10-21, 12:14
Maybe a ES about Raki's life before the appearance of Clare suits you most.:D
In that case, thank God the ES series is over and are waiting for the manga to begin next month OR else we'll all be gouging our eyeballs out if Raki gets his own ES. Just wondering how that will pan out, a day in the life of Raki NOT crying and yelling "Claaaaaare.."?
You have to give Raki his due he's a very compassionate person be it manga anime or real life you very rarely see people that care that much about others. It's a rare traite annoying as all hell but rare.
You have to give Raki his due he's a very compassionate person be it manga anime or real life you very rarely see people that care that much about others. It's a rare traite annoying as all hell but rare.It's evolution, being that compassionate means Rakis all over the world die before being able to procreate. Only a few luck out and get to wear a plot armour until they stop being weak and naive.
touche lol and you're right in the world of anime (and stories in general) you have a massive point that they do their sooo much fodder it's a shame lol (or is it? hmm *eg*) but you have to admit if you met someone like him in real life and take the whineyness out of it wouldn't you admire them somewhat?
romulusx5
2007-10-21, 15:55
touche lol and you're right in the world of anime (and stories in general) you have a massive point that they do their sooo much fodder it's a shame lol (or is it? hmm *eg*) but you have to admit if you met someone like him in real life and take the whineyness out of it wouldn't you admire them somewhat?
well, i admit his tenacity and determination to be with clare is something to look at, but that's pretty much it for the bugger. the negative traits like crying, whining, yelling 'clare's name" every hour, is just plain annoying and overcomes the determination part, which is the only good part about him.
going back, if season 2 comes out, which i really really doubt, i dont want another raki adventure unless he becomes a yoma.
RWBladewing
2007-10-21, 16:02
Heh, I find it funny that despite being the "most hated" and "least popular" character, Raki seems to be talked about by far more than anyone else. In fact it seems like every currently active thread has become a Raki discussion whether it originally had anything to do with him or not...
Anyway, about the chapter, I enjoyed it. I don't mind that it didn't necessarily have any significance in regard to the current story, background information and interesting stories from the past are still always good.
King Lycan
2007-10-21, 16:05
Yea but they should have made an Chapter for Irene and Flora or at least Helen
RWBladewing
2007-10-21, 16:24
An EC on Flora would be great (what a surprise for me to say that huh?) but I don't really see it happening ever. Can always hope though. Irene would be interesting too, not really a fan of hers but would like to know what happened to her.
i would also like to know the fate of Irene since i have a feeling she didn't die when she met Raphela (spellin) and have to remember Irene herself said she doesn't die easy.
King Lycan
2007-10-21, 16:46
Well In the Stats of The claymore's Irene and Raphy are tied at A but they make Irene look so weak compared to Raphy which aggravates me XD
airguitar316
2007-10-21, 22:08
An ES about Irene would have been more interesting than reading about an ES about basically Clare's hair. It's just too bad about the end of the ES series, but on the very bright side, we've got 11 days (?) before the manga resumes.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-22, 21:14
Well In the Stats of The claymore's Irene and Raphy are tied at A but they make Irene look so weak compared to Raphy which aggravates me XD
Well in all truth, Rafaela has almost everyone but Alicia/Beth and Teresa beat on stats, Priscilla is quite close as well, but is seriously lacking in both Leadership and Mental.
romulusx5
2007-10-22, 23:30
i thought the lanky girl was rachel, but on quick look, she seems like undine.
airguitar316
2007-10-23, 13:36
I think every ugly girl in Claymore is Rachel, but she is tall and kinda looks like Undine as well. You could be on to something...naaaah.
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-23, 22:41
I think every ugly girl in Claymore is Rachel, but she is tall and kinda looks like Undine as well. You could be on to something...naaaah.
Isn't Undine really scrawny looking? Before she developed the bulging Muscle Yoki thing? It really does not look like it is either Rachel or Undine, but she is pretty butch, not as bad as Rachel is though.
DazarGaidin
2007-10-25, 20:46
Undine before going all steroid was slim and pretty i think...
GundamZZ
2007-10-25, 23:01
Rachel doesn't look bad if you view her as a man with skirt.
It's like my first impression from Helen's look: Christian Slaterhttp://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2175/maleclaymoreut7.jpg
HinaThePrince
2007-10-26, 10:44
Who drew that fanart? It's amazing.
Tempest35
2007-10-26, 17:17
Easley, Rigaldo, and Duff....
...
*shudders*
Sassarai
2007-10-26, 17:25
oh crapola I thought that was a bad drawing of Miria, Deneve, and Helen. I was wondering why Deneve looked like an ogre.
BaalChaamon
2007-10-30, 16:53
Looks like Rigardo has just been to the local burger shop...Isley is sporting the Christmas tree hairdo quite well too :P
romulusx5
2007-10-30, 17:18
Looks like Rigardo has just been to the local burger shop...Isley is sporting the Christmas tree hairdo quite well too :P
miria stole her hairstyle from isley.lol
Fenrir_valindri
2007-10-30, 18:07
miria stole her hairstyle from isley.lol
Miria's hair is more spikey :p
and she has a pony-tail with spikey hair now :D
BaalChaamon
2007-10-31, 09:08
Miria's hair is more spikey :p
and she has a pony-tail with spikey hair now :D
She is just trying to cover-up from copyright infringement :p
airguitar316
2007-11-01, 10:32
miria stole her hairstyle from isley.lol
That is kinda right hehe.
No wonder she tied her hair.
FlareKnight
2007-11-01, 13:25
While some of this got onto ES1 discussion been an interesting read catching up. Wasn't a big deal in terms of the story for this one. Yes we find out the Organization is still as bad as we all thought and surprise graduates with youma and see how many survive the slaughter. Clare cut her hair with a sword (which isn't that big a surprise, what else in this universe would be fitting) though we know the situation.
Also would've liked other areas to be looked at. Especially Irene. Heck something like what happened with Raphaela and telling us whether she is alive or whether there should be riots. Or heck a fight against someone she can beat (pitting anyone against Teresa and then an awakened Priscilla is just wrong).
Dauf, Easley, Rigardo....ok now that image has filled my memory. Nice job though on it.
Clare cut her hair with a sword (which isn't that big a surprise, what else in this universe would be fitting)It's a law. Nothing else can cut hair, nothing! see:
#32- Law of Follicular Permanence- Hair in anime is pretty much indestructible, and can resist any amount of meteorological conditions, energy emissions, physical abuse, or explosive effects and still look perfect. The only way to hurt someone’s hair is the same way you deal with demons... with bladed weapons!
oh btw for those who are in doubt Miria had the hair style first Easly copied her then Miria changed it then changed it back thus the thinking that she copied him so THERE!!! fanboy's rejoice Miria was FIRST!!! lol
Muscular_Sophia
2007-11-01, 20:44
oh btw for those who are in doubt Miria had the hair style first Easly copied her then Miria changed it then changed it back thus the thinking that she copied him so THERE!!! fanboy's rejoice Miria was FIRST!!! lol
Wait a second lol, that's a complete fib lol, i'm pretty sure Easley is old enough to be Miria's grandpa times 10 give or take a few, or maybe that's why they do have similar hair styles and the such, because he is her Grandpa! O.o Highly doubtful but that's alright life takes a turn for the wirdest sometimes and i'm off subject hehe.
Well, i though that this chapter was pretty good since it filled in another gap in the past so we have a little more background to go from instead of speculation, since i was always wondering why Clare went from long to short hair anyways.
FlareKnight
2007-11-01, 22:44
It's a law. Nothing else can cut hair, nothing! see:
#32- Law of Follicular Permanence- Hair in anime is pretty much indestructible, and can resist any amount of meteorological conditions, energy emissions, physical abuse, or explosive effects and still look perfect. The only way to hurt someone’s hair is the same way you deal with demons... with bladed weapons!
It's a law that is true and applies quite often. Hair is extremely versatile. If it wasn't for this law I'd almost be worried about the claymores. If hair doesn't grow then they'd be in trouble. One evil youma/barber and they wouldn't go out ever again. This law stretches to the gaming world as well since I've seen it in action.
romulusx5
2007-11-02, 00:53
Wait a second lol, that's a complete fib lol, i'm pretty sure Easley is old enough to be Miria's grandpa times 10 give or take a few, or maybe that's why they do have similar hair styles and the such, because he is her Grandpa! O.o Highly doubtful but that's alright life takes a turn for the wirdest sometimes and i'm off subject hehe.
which reminds me that if that's the case, then miata stole her cousin it' long hair style from irene's long flows.
FrozenArctic
2007-11-04, 15:59
It's a law that is true and applies quite often. Hair is extremely versatile. If it wasn't for this law I'd almost be worried about the claymores. If hair doesn't grow then they'd be in trouble. One evil youma/barber and they wouldn't go out ever again. This law stretches to the gaming world as well since I've seen it in action.
I quite agree!!
Hair in anime and games ARE virtually indestructible...
I guess thats a good thing too...
like in claymore, if one of them had to go through Clare's haircutting and the one who cut their hair wasn't exactly skilled at it then...:twitch:
It's a law. Nothing else can cut hair, nothing! see:
#32- Law of Follicular Permanence- Hair in anime is pretty much indestructible, and can resist any amount of meteorological conditions, energy emissions, physical abuse, or explosive effects and still look perfect. The only way to hurt someone’s hair is the same way you deal with demons... with bladed weapons!
okaye tt prev comment was priceless :D
oh crapola I thought that was a bad drawing of Miria, Deneve, and Helen. I was wondering why Deneve looked like an ogre.
aw tt was pretty mean but it made me laff XD
and how did claymore discussion become hair discussion? XD
NoSanninWa
2007-11-07, 02:26
and how did claymore discussion become hair discussion? XD
You're joking, right? Chapter ES4 was about Clare's hair.
As sad the truth is, this discussion is solidly on topic. :twitch: I just can't figure out why people want to keep discussing hair.
eh?:twitch: i had the impression tt its more to portray the willpower of clare since the cover said
"After losing everything on that day, clare came knocking on the organisation's door. the resolve she kept during her younger days, hasn't waned one bit even now..."
and not
"Having lost everything on that day clare came knocking on the barber's door. the long hair she kept during her younger days, waned considerably now..."
:p:p:p
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