Shakugan no Shana - Q & A

[Hooves]

And we already got something coming out from nowhere (Statue of Pride) that is never mentioned on the novels.
My guess...
Statue of Pride = SoF's vessel (failed) ?
But it was controlled by Hecate so.. I don't know.

That Anime Original is probably going to replace Silver with this Statue of Pride thing as SoF's vessel maybe? I don't understand the purpose of it, but if Bal Masque wanted to get their god back, or waited for his arrival for a long time. Then I would suppose this is the action they would take.

[SkyFlames]

Its kinda weird that all the events from two seasons have been setted for the appearence of a character that we haven't even listened yet.

[Athena]

That Anime Original is probably going to replace Silver with this Statue of Pride thing as SoF's vessel maybe? I don't understand the purpose of it, but if Bal Masque wanted to get their god back, or waited for his arrival for a long time. Then I would suppose this is the action they would take.

I think it was more about lack of materials to run SnS. Not enough novels. That's why there's a boring beginning in S2

[Hooves]

I think it was more about lack of materials to run SnS. Not enough novels. That's why there's a boring beginning in S2

If they went up to Novel 16 (or that was their original plan) then Novel 16 was released in February 10, 2007. While the first episode for the second season was October 5, 2007. So I will not be able to understand if it was lack of materials, even in the second opening in season two they showed us a big hint to Novel 16 chapter 3.

[SkyFlames]

If they went up to Novel 16 (or that was their original plan) then Novel 16 was released in February 10, 2007. While the first episode for the second season was October 5, 2007. So I will not be able to understand if it was lack of materials, even in the second opening in season two they showed us a big hint to Novel 16 chapter 3.

Which one? The only things I see from novels are the Silver, Bel Peol fighting and Kazumi prisoned. Oh, Shana fighting in a sort of another dimension too, but I think it was more like artistic.

[Hooves]

Which one? The only things I see from novels are the Silver, Bel Peol fighting and Kazumi prisoned. Oh, Shana fighting in a sort of another dimension too, but I think it was more like artistic.

RwF2KSAao4U

This could just be a theory of mine, but look around 0:43 - 0:45 and look at the thing surrounding Shana.

Now think about Yuji + SnH's fuzetsu. See any resemblance?

[SkyFlames]

Maybe you are right there, but for what I read on the novels, the Fuzetsu was completely black, and you can see some red there. But of course, J.C. Staff may have skipped that fact as they did with the 75% of the novel.

[OmniDragon]

Which one? The only things I see from novels are the Silver, Bel Peol fighting and Kazumi prisoned. Oh, Shana fighting in a sort of another dimension too, but I think it was more like artistic.

I think Shana reaching for and grabbing Yuji's hand is also novel related stuff maybe something that will happen in the final novel.

Bel Peol fighting? I don't think she has even done much fighting in the novels not yet anyway.

Maybe you are right there, but for what I read on the novels, the Fuzetsu was completely black, and you can see some red there. But of course, J.C. Staff may have skipped that fact as they did with the 75% of the novel.

I think only Yuji's flames where black the red probably represents the crimson world. Same as when Yuji opened the fuzetsu back in season 2 only this time the flames came out black. They were described as the flame with no light. Maybe a hint that Yuji has fallen into darkness or something like that?

[Hooves]

I think Shana reaching for and grabbing Yuji's hand is also novel related stuff maybe something that will happen in the final novel.

Bel Peol fighting? I don't think she has even done much fighting in the novels not yet anyway.

Now that I think about it, it might be something very important.

But this discussion is turning a little towards novel-related, so let's go back to the novel thread shall we :heh:

[SkyFlames]

Now that I think about it, it might be something very important.

But this discussion is turning a little towards novel-related, so let's go back to the novel thread shall we :heh:

The question now is how to move the topic of the novels' thread from mellon bread to Bel Peol :heh:

[Hooves]

The question now is how to move the topic of the novels' thread from mellon bread to Bel Peol :heh:

That's a good question... It kinda seemed like all our questions went down ever since the announcement was made :heh:

[minhtam1638]

ok, what's the news on season 3? this year or next?

[SkyFlames]

ok, what's the news on season 3? this year or next?

"The August issue of Tokuma Shoten's Animage magazine will publish a quote from producer Nobuhiro Nakayama regarding the upcoming Shana Project based on Yashichiro Takahashi and Noizi Ito's fantasy light novels. Nakayama says that he is aiming for the finale of the storyline, but before the staffers can do the third series, they must delve into the background of the characters and their deep relationships. According to Nakayama, that is why they are producing the Shakugan no Shana S original video anime project first."

Since SnS S is completed, they are surelly working on season 3 by now, since the last light novel is coming out this year. Of course this is all only a guess, since there is no oficial release date.

[Hooves]

ok, what's the news on season 3? this year or next?

Shakugan no Shana III (TBA)

Is what I see while using wiki to search on J.C. Staff, but just like SkyFlames said, ever since the completion of Shakugan no Shana S. With the finishing of To Aru Majutsu no Index II and Shakugan no Shana coming first before Zero no Tsukaima (or was that reversed?) well either way, if ZnT does come first and does have an extra season, then they will need to finish that then they will head for season 3.

[SkyFlames]

They would need a miracle to find someone that can actually revive ZnT...

[Dist]

Why Hooves ? Is it set in stone somewhere that a studio can't work on two animes at a same time ? And for seiyuus it obviously can't be a problem since often seiyuus voice in several animes per a season ( animes in spring etc. ).

[Hooves]

Why Hooves ? Is it set in stone somewhere that a studio can't work on two animes at a same time ? And for seiyuus it obviously can't be a problem since often seiyuus voice in several animes per a season ( animes in spring etc. ).

I know that seiyuus can voice several characters in different animes per season (after checking who voiced who in the animes that are currently airing) just merely an accusation of mine that J.C. Staff will go through Index II - SnS/ZnT (if they choose to continue it) one by one and air other animes along with these. Not trying to say that the studio is only allowed to air one anime at a time, they are airing 2-3 animes right now (Yumekui Merry and Index II and even coming with Aria the Scarlet Ammo in April 8th)

[AP24]

If there will be a new season of Zero no Tsukaima, it won't come before Shakugan no Shana III. I think they will air SnS III and then new season of ZnT next year.

[SkyFlames]

Then they won't be abble to run the OVAs as they did with SnS, so more of the same thing like PnR -sigh-
Anyways, aren't we moving out of the topic a bit? :heh:

[Jotse]

Hi there! Does anybody know if there is a 3th sesson of shakugan no shana?

[spawnofthejudge]

Hi there! Does anybody know if there is a 3th sesson of shakugan no shana?A third season has been announced, but not dated. Current theories are rampant for when it is likely to air.

[Hooves]

A third season has been announced, but not dated. Current theories are rampant for when it is likely to air.

Especially in the Novel thread :heh: a majority think it's going to start in Fall.

[AP24]

Actually I've heard that it's already been confirmed in an anime magazine that it will air this October.

[spawnofthejudge]

Actually I've heard that it's already been confirmed in an anime magazine that it will air this October.Do you have a source for that?

[AP24]

Do you have a source for that?

No, someone from another forum said that he read from an anime magazine that the new season will air Fall 2011.

[urosai]

Greetings! I just finished season 2 of the anime (took me 2 days to watch the whole series, best stuff i've found in a long time OwO) and basicly i was wondering where i can find the light novels? I hear there is around 24 released atm, all transleted aswell? I really dont mind buying them all, but if it is somewhere i can read them online that would be awesome ^^

I would like to read them to hopefully get more out of the story (i hope it contain some extra info?) so if anyone have read them please give me a little reply!! ty :heh:

[spawnofthejudge]

Greetings! I just finished season 2 of the anime (took me 2 days to watch the whole series, best stuff i've found in a long time OwO) and basicly i was wondering where i can find the light novels? I hear there is around 24 released atm, all transleted aswell? I really dont mind buying them all, but if it is somewhere i can read them online that would be awesome ^^

I would like to read them to hopefully get more out of the story (i hope it contain some extra info?) so if anyone have read them please give me a little reply!! ty :heh:Two are officially released english (I have them :D), but I haven't been able to find any others, and do not think any others are available, even if licensed.

Tangentially, the manga is also licensed, and seems to still have releases occasionally (the most recent late last year).

[urosai]

Title says it all :p Do they contain some more background stuff or something fimiliar?
wanna have something to do with the serie untill s3 is up and running for full :D:D

[Hooves]

Two are officially released english (I have them :D), but I haven't been able to find any others, and do not think any others are available, even if licensed.

Tangentially, the manga is also licensed, and seems to still have releases occasionally (the most recent late last year).

Title says it all :p Do they contain some more background stuff or something fimiliar?
wanna have something to do with the serie untill s3 is up and running for full :D:D

Under Viz, they released 2 poorly translated versions of Novels 1&2. While Baka-Tsuki seems to be coming up with a way to translate the novels once again ever since they had to stop the project due to the license of Viz. So it all depends if Baka-Tsuki can keep this translation notice going and release from novels 5-24 (since they cant translate the earlier novels)

The manga deviates a little from what you see in the anime or read from the light novels. But it's still pretty decent to check up on if you are a major Shana fan.

[pancakes]

Basically, if you can't understand japanese, you're stuck with the anime.

I have all the geneon dvds for season 1, all the translated mangas up to 6, and the two viz media novels in english. Aside from that, I have the whole subbed second season on my computer, all the subbed ovas on my computer, and all the shana tan specials on my computer. (More than a half of my collection is only available in Japan....sadly)

[SkyFlames]

V7 is up on B-T if you want it.
V3 is still around the web, even if you can't find the original english one, you surelly can find the spanish one. There is also a major part of V4 on english, except the last chapter which is 25 percent missing and the epilogue.
V5 got only the prologue and some interludes and V6 and V7 are just some sentences...
There is also a chapter of the bridge scene from V16 on the web.

That's all you can get from the novels, if you want to read it completely you better start studying japanese, because we got a long way to go before getting it on the easy way.

[alvinkhorfire]

The following blog contains the partial summary of several summary, originating from B-T. The link was posted before by someone else.

Summary (http://protik09.blogspot.com/2009/08/shakugan-no-shana-light-novels-download.html)

[Nietono no Shana]

A question to the readers of Vol. 10 :

Why does Mathilde wear a wreath of flowers (are those roses?) on her head and what's the use of it?

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7711/98676397.jpg

[Elf song]

A question to the readers of Vol. 10 :

Why does Mathilde wear a wreath of flowers (are those roses?) on her head and what's the use of it?

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/7711/98676397.jpg

the destruction of Labyrinthos, an isolated dimention (by using the body of Molech himself) in an instant; since he can continually repair the dimension to keep prisoners inside but if it was destroy simultaneously, he couldn't maintain the dimension and have to release the spell (but he choose to perish while continuously try to keep Labyrinthos activated.

[ars89]

so i just finished the first season and was planning on going on to the second season, but i heard there was a movie as well so what's the right order i should follow in watching them?

[Elf song]

The movie is a retold of 1st-6th episode of the first season but is more truthful to the original LN.

[alvinkhorfire]

I have a question about Sorath, as shown in Anime Season 1 Episode 10 to 13.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p234/alvinkhorfire/Sorath-Tiriel.jpg

Sorath is seen wearing a armored clothing, which was not shown in the anime. Of course, this clothing was shown in novel. Could anyone please elaborate about Sorath's armored clothing and possibly why he did not wear it in anime?

Thank you. :)

[Rising Dragon]

Animation difficulties, I imagine.

[syke123]

I need a few questions answered, because it's going to keep me up late at night.

What channels will be broadcasting this, or is it japan only?

Will it still be 24 episodes, or considering the circumstances that it's the season finale, maybe we'll see more?

Will the series be an episode a week? And how long until we see these on the web subbed?

Thanks in advance, really need answers to those.

[Dist]

I don't understand your first question. Aren't all anime Japan only?

For the second question : No one knows, but I assume 24 episodes.

And lastly : No one knows (again). Additionally, though I'm not sure if Shana is licensed, asking such things usually is not allowed. Find them and the information on your own.

[Sakai Yuji]

I've been wondering.. on Shakugan.com it say's they will air the episode at 1:30.
But do they mean AM or PM? Im going to try to watch it live.

[Marcus H.]

01:30 = 01:30 AM.
13:30 = 01:30 PM.
The Japanese use the 24-hour system to denote time, although they also use 24:30 onwards to mention late-night times.

[Sakai Yuji]

01:30 = 01:30 AM.
13:30 = 01:30 PM.
The Japanese use the 24-hour system to denote time, although they also use 24:30 onwards to mention late-night times.

Okay thanks! It seems the japanese time system is the same as the one I use. (exept for the 24:30 one.)

EDIT: Damn, now I can't watch it live.. (maybe I can, If I rush home like a crazy person). I always got VERY late school only at thursday's..

[SkyFlames]

Thursday at 13:30 to me... I get out of school at 12:45 and it's pretty much a 30 minutes walk till home... Challenge accepted.

[Sakai Yuji]

The time for me is diffrent on thursday.. It would start around 5PM in my country bit i probably still got school then.. (Yes we have school only on thursday till 9PM or 6PM) Im not lucky.

[Dist]

How exactly are you going to watch the episode live when you don't even live in Japan? And what's the point, unless you can understand Japanese?

[Tokkan]

How exactly are you going to watch the episode live when you don't even live in Japan?

Oh, there are ways.

[Sakai Yuji]

How exactly are you going to watch the episode live when you don't even live in Japan? And what's the point, unless you can understand Japanese?

Download KeyholeTV.

[SkyFlames]

How exactly are you going to watch the episode live when you don't even live in Japan? And what's the point, unless you can understand Japanese?

Well, LN readers pretty much know the dialogues of this first part of the story and what's going on. So if you know what's going on you don't need to get exactly every word, just to watch what you read before animated.

[syke123]

Well, LN readers pretty much know the dialogues of this first part of the story and what's going on. So if you know what's going on you don't need to get exactly every word, just to watch what you read before animated.

Wait are you saying there's more then 2 novels translated??? Or, are you basing that off the summaries? If so, that doesn't really help in understanding dialogue. Can I get a link to where you found the fan translations please?

[Hooves]

Wait are you saying there's more then 2 novels translated??? Or, are you basing that off the summaries? If so, that doesn't really help in understanding dialogue. Can I get a link to where you found the fan translations please?

Viz had copyrights for Shakugan no Shana Volumes 1-5. They only translated 2, and they were horribly translated. Baka-Tsuki went around this copyright and translated I believe was 7 and up. Maybe they started in a later volume, but it was better then the agonizing wait that Viz made us do in which they never bothered translating the other volumes. If you look around the Baka-Tsuki website, you'll find more volumes translated.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Wait are you saying there's more then 2 novels translated??? Or, are you basing that off the summaries? If so, that doesn't really help in understanding dialogue. Can I get a link to where you found the fan translations please?

Depends, can you read Chinese :p :heh: ?

[Hooves]

I believe there are some Spanish translations as well somewhere :D

[Konakaga]

And lastly : No one knows (again). Additionally, though I'm not sure if Shana is licensed, asking such things usually is not allowed. Find them and the information on your own.

Shana III is currently unlicensed afaik, there hasn't a post on ANN or any where else about it being picked up currently.

Speaking of which why aren't the torrents for it listed currently?[their are quite a few out]

[king12354]

I'm watching the sub version but the quality is bad? It was like this for Fate/Zero too. Am I missing some codecs or the raws that are out aren't good?

[taichi-kun]

What happened to the silver? is he dead?where is he? I just can't remember very well... I thought they had killed him in season 2 but that was filler right?

I don't mind spoilers...

[SkyFlames]

What happened to the silver? is he dead?where is he? I just can't remember very well... I thought they had killed him in season 2 but that was filler right?

I don't mind spoilers...

The Silver resulted to be a 'leftover' of Snake of the Festival (Crimson God) that doesn't got an own will and therefore, it alimentates of human's stronger feelings. The imitator that got killed on Season 2 was nothing but a recreation of the real Silver (I can't explain it in any other way because it was a filler...).
In other words, the Silver is an object, nothing more, nothing less.
At this point of the story (Ep. 1 of Season 3) the Silver is somewhere hidden and waiting to be evoque. (I think?)

[Rising Dragon]

The Silver seems to have been destroyed at the end of season 2, but it looks like Margery is unaware of its destruction, due to what's happened to Yuji.

[taichi-kun]

oh thanks guys! I can't believe what JC did omg...

[nfsac]

In what episode or volume of the novel does Keisaku kisses Margery Daw?

Is there a scene or a picture of the event?

[redflame]

I assume it was volume 18 and I don't think there was a picture..

[Sakai Yuji]

There was a sketch where they where blushing.

[nfsac]

So this has yet to come into the anime right? Well season 3 will cover all.

[Hooves]

I don't recall a kissing event ever happening between those two. So probably fan-art?

[nfsac]

The second season of the anime as well the specials, all before season 3, covered until what volume of the novels? 16th?

[Hooves]

Shakugan no Shana S only covered the special LNs
Shakugan no Shana season 2 covered up to the prologue of volume 16 (or maybe 14)
The first episode of season 3 is still in the prologue of volume 16.

[Sakai Yuji]

Hmm just looked at the official site. Is it this friday going to air at BS 2 on 0:30 am Japanese time? Or is it episode 1 which they will show again on BS 2?

(So what I actually meant is; Will it be aired at Tokyo MX, same time again?)

[Myname]

Is the new Yuuji with the braided pony tail actually what Yuuji looks like (it's actually his form) or is that what Aizen looks like and now Yuuji is inside his form?

I thought it pony tail Yuuji was just Yuuji with a new look but the end of the episode shows pony tail Yuuji talking to normal Yuuji.

[Marcus H.]

From what I could remember,
The braided hair is actually part of the Snake of the Festival's tail.

[Hooves]

From what I could remember,
The braided hair is actually part of the Snake of the Festival's tail.

His braided hair is part of Snake's skin. Which he can control at will, so when someone attacks him from behind. He can easily maneuver his tail to smack them away. So when an opponent thinks he/she has the advantage of attacking him from behind, they are severely mistaken.

[Myname]

No I mean is the Ponytail Yuuji form just Yuuji with a new look or is that actually the Crimson Lord's form? It's hard to tell with generic anime face designs.

Since at the end of episode 1, we see ponytail "yuuji" talking with normal yuuji as if they were different people.

[Rising Dragon]

No I mean is the Ponytail Yuuji form just Yuuji with a new look or is that actually the Crimson Lord's form? It's hard to tell with generic anime face designs.

Since at the end of episode 1, we see ponytail "yuuji" talking with normal yuuji as if they were different people.

Physically, it's both of them. Yuuji and the Snake of the Festival merged together. The scene of them talking together in episode one appears to be mental and/or spiritual in nature, to differentiate the two of them. But on the outside, the physical form is Yuuji and the Snake merged into one being.

[DarkWish]

Physically, it's both of them. Yuuji and the Snake of the Festival merged together. The scene of them talking together in episode one appears to be mental and/or spiritual in nature, to differentiate the two of them. But on the outside, the physical form is Yuuji and the Snake merged into one being.

When did that happen, when did they merge together?
Also in ep2 ending preview real Yuuji is back ,are there 2 of them or...:eyespin: i dont get it anymore.

Season 2 ended by showing Yuuji's footsteps disappearing in the snow, by that i should believe that Yuuji is gone, and then season 3 starts with suddenly showing this guy who i have no idea who he is, and he aparently is this lord "merged" with Yuuji?... and now with ep2 preview real yuuji is back? :twitch:

PS i came in here for answers not future spoilers

[Rising Dragon]

The future answers you seek are spoilers. If you don't want spoilers, you'll just have to wait until its explained in the anime itself.

[DarkWish]

The future answers you speak are spoilers. If you don't want spoilers, you'll just have to wait until its explained in the anime itself.

Oh well, theres a reason i dont post much! Sorry for the trouble.. of .. of reading my post i guess?

[Trudinh]

OK i watched the first 3 episode of shakugan no shana season 3 and im totally confuse of what is going on.

anyone wanna explain to me what going on in the first three episode?

all i know so far is that, yuji left the city after seeing shana for like 2 sec, then it flash to something werid where yuji saying something about wanting to become stronger and so he let the sliver guy control him, something like that i think. after that yuji stuff starting to disapper and all is left is the 2 letters. and then he reapper and it stoped there at the end of episode 3.

SO can anyone explain to me more clearly of what going on?
cause im clearly lost... I dont mind of u spoiler it alittle of what going to happen later on. just explain to me what the hell is going on it the series.

[Trudinh]

ya ty, another question, is there going to be anymore comedy in this series cause the it seen that from now on and forward thing are geting serious no more priceless comedy..... -_-

[Cosmic Eagle]

ya ty, another question, is there going to be anymore comedy in this series cause the it seen that from now on and forward thing are geting serious no more priceless comedy..... -_-

Possible if they animate more side stories....

[Sakai Yuji]

You have to wait for this; Shakugan no Shana-Tan.

[Trudinh]

no i mean like will yuji return and everything is back to normal somewhere during the middle of season 3 and there a filler or something where the episode is just comedy and romance between shana and yuji or the whole season will just be some seious stuff.. no more comedy. full on action..

[Rising Dragon]

no i mean like will yuji return and everything is back to normal somewhere during the middle of season 3 and there a filler or something where the episode is just comedy and romance between shana and yuji or the whole season will just be some seious stuff.. no more comedy. full on action..

Yeah, this is gonna be action and drama for the remainder. It's very likely going to take after the novels, and when this ends, Shana ends. So yeah... Shakugan no Shana-Tan's your best bet.

[Trudinh]

shana end,, WDF shana die noooo,, im not watching it anymore!!!!!

oh will shana ever kiss yuji? did it happen in the novel?

[Hooves]

shana end,, WDF shana die noooo,, im not watching it anymore!!!!!

Ummm.. I think he meant that the series will end.

Also please ask future spoilerish questions in the novels thread.

[Trudinh]

lol this forum have so many thread about different thing. it really hard to find this shakugan no shana q and a thread and now i have to find a novels thread sigh...

[tsunade666]

But that makes it more organize plus the light novel thread can be easily spotted if you look at the first page because it's always updated.

[Morisato]

So was Margery a prostitute or something?

[taichi-kun]

I didn't understand margery's past, could someone please explain more....

[Morisato]

I didn't understand margery's past, could someone please explain more....

I think she was a prostitute. It explains why she was naked in the flaming house and why old men are giving money to her. There was also an image of her sitting on the bed.

Margery has that whore look down though so I'm not surprised.

[Dark Wing]

I didn't understand margery's past, could someone please explain more....

My memory is a bit foggy on the details because it's been so long since I read the novel summary but I believe it went something like this...

In Margery's old life she was the child of a rich land owner but his partners stabbed him in the back and left him in financial ruin. Margery then had no choice but to work as a prostitute in order to pay off her families dept while there she plotted her revenge on those who destroyed her life.

However the very day she was going to carry out this plan The Sliver happened to be in the same area. Attracted by Margery's negative emotions it killed everyone in the brothel including the people she was plotting to take revenge on. Margery's was for a lack of better words pissed at The Sliver for stealing her revenge afterwards she became a Flame Haze to find The Sliver and kill it for taking her revenge. Sadly she didn't know that it was her desire for revenge that summoned The Sliver in the first place.

In short Margery was seeking revenge for losing the chance to take revenge on some other people but had no idea it was her desire for revenge that robbed her of said revenge in the first place...Ironic no? :heh:

[Extrema]

Hiho :P
I have a request. Can someone tell me the name of OST ?
It is Shakugan No Shana Season 1 Episode 14 at the beginning of the episode while they are eating melon breads?

[taichi-kun]

My memory is a bit foggy on the details because it's been so long since I read the novel summary but I believe it went something like this...

In Margery's old life she was the child of a rich land owner but his partners stabbed him in the back and left him in financial ruin. Margery then had no choice but to work as a prostitute in order to pay off her families dept while there she plotted her revenge on those who destroyed her life.

However the very day she was going to carry out this plan The Sliver happened to be in the same area. Attracted by Margery's negative emotions it killed everyone in the brothel including the people she was plotting to take revenge on. Margery's was for a lack of better words pissed at The Sliver for stealing her revenge afterwards she became a Flame Haze to find The Sliver and kill it for taking her revenge. Sadly she didn't know that it was her desire for revenge that summoned The Sliver in the first place.

In short Margery was seeking revenge for losing the chance to take revenge on some other people but had no idea it was her desire for revenge that robbed her of said revenge in the first place...Ironic no? :heh:

Thank you very much :)

yes, ironic and Sad :(

Maybe someday I'd like to ask about whilhelmina's past :heh:

[Doria]

This may be an idiotic question, but working off only a partial knowledge of the first two seasons, I wondered if someone could just clarify for me whether the Silver is different than "Silver the Second," as Yuji is (I guess?) sometimes called. Or whether it's merely that he's called the second, since it's the uh, second guy with silver flames that they've known of.

In other words, was Silver the Second just a nickname Yuji got (this is off Wikipedia, so its accuracy is also questionable), upon initially seeing the color of his flame, because they didn't realize that the Silver (uh, the first?) was inside the MLC?

Thanks in advance for any help. If the answer is in some remote way a spoiler, feel free to PM me. I have no idea if it is, as I'm working in ignorance of what happens.

[Marcus H.]

You got it right, but there's another reason: the Silver is supposed to be the host of the Snake of the Festival when he enters the human world. However, since the Snake manages to influence Yuji to join his side, the Snake decided to relegate the Silver into his "Rinne" and use Yuji to manifest himself into the world.

Take note that Yuji has the Reiji Maigo, the Azure (that protects anyone from Flame-based attacks), and the Blutsauger (that injures anyone that touches the sword while Power of Existence is fed into it), so there are a lot of advantages when the Snake chose Yuji.

[Dark Wing]

You got it right, but there's another reason: the Silver is supposed to be the host of the Snake of the Festival when he enters the human world. However, since the Snake manages to influence Yuji to join his side, the Snake decided to relegate the Silver into his "Rinne" and use Yuji to manifest himself into the world.

Take note that Yuji has the Reiji Maigo, the Azure (that protects anyone from Flame-based attacks), and the Blutsauger (that injures anyone that touches the sword while Power of Existence is fed into it), so there are a lot of advantages when the Snake chose Yuji.

Also the most notable reason SoF pickeed Yuji over The Sliver is because The Sliver lacked personality...:heh:

[Hooves]

SoF: So, how was your day?
Silver: ......
SoF: Ok.... What do you feel about this world?
Silver: ......
SoF: ......
SoF: I'm just going to go now..

Very noticeable indeed.

[redflame]

hahahahaha I lol'd :heh:

[GenjiChan]

I think she was a prostitute. It explains why she was naked in the flaming house and why old men are giving money to her. There was also an image of her sitting on the bed.

Margery has that whore look down though so I'm not surprised.

It was said that she "was a kind hearted aristrocrat woman loved by many"

I don't think being "kind and loved by everyone" makes a person prostitute. hehehe

[Teh_Ping]

It was said that she "was a kind hearted aristrocrat woman loved by many"

I don't think being "kind and loved by everyone" makes a person prostitute. hehehe

This quote should answer everything:

Margery, who couldn’t hear Tanaka’s shout in her ears already, dreamt of her past.

In the past, she was always relied on by others, and she continued to repay back this trust as she continued to live till now.

(—“OO nee-san, please help me”—)

To her, helping everyone around her was her motivation to live.

She seemed to be like that ever since she was little.

(—“OO-sama, please lend my your power.” —)

The inept father got help from got help from a girl, and could finally keep his life as the only legitimate child left.

But the moment the little trickster couldn’t solve occurred—

(—“OO, I beg of you. As long I can continue to live on, our family” —)

After they released her father, she worked together with a few retainers and used an open city policy to win peace back.

But in the end, her escaped father was killed and her allies betrayed her—

(—“OO-sama, I just want to live on and see that child again.” —)

She rallied soldiers that were taken as prisoners and organized a large revolution to escape, and finally managed to do so.

However, she just had to fall to the retainers she saved before.

(—“OO-sama, we just want to continue living. Please forgive us” —)

After they escaped successfully, she was sold to that ‘brothel’ for just that little amount of money.

And then, over there, the girls who were sold there too said to her—

(—“OO nee-san, please, save me” —)

She was often relied on by others, and could only continue to assist others. It’s unknown when it began, she started building quite the standing amongst them.

It’s said that the one who finally destroyed that ‘brothel’ was herself.

(I really wanted to wreck it, right…did I really wreck the life I lived…?)

Actually, she was sick of it, sick of being requested by others, solving problems for others, living with what little honor she had, she was sick of it all.

She even lost the reason for revenge.

Because she was already wrecked.

It was already over. Everything.

[Senshigeia]

Teh Ping, thank you. That is the kind of stuff the anime doesn't answer quite well. The break-out she had in Season III, episode 3 wasn't understood by everyone: only after reading the quote above we understand why everything ended to her.

[alvinkhorfire]

I have a silly question to ask. Yes, it is silly, but I am really curious to know. :p

Why is the name of this anime called Shakugan no SHANA, instead of Shakugan no Shana? In other words, what is the reason in writing Shana entirely in uppercase, as in Japanese language?

Thank you for the information. :)

[SkyFlames]

Author's preference. It's written that way in the novels as well, in that way the serie can simply be mentioned as 'Shana'.

[SkyFlames]

Question of the year.

Is Pirsoyn a guy or a girl? It's not stated neither at novels or anime, but I always thought it was the first. But wiki refers to him as she, so... I'm lost.

[Konakaga]

Question of the year.

Is Pirsoyn a guy or a girl? It's not stated neither at novels or anime, but I always thought it was the first. But wiki refers to him as she, so... I'm lost.

From the anime, they seem like a male to me... but if the novel doesn't say :eyespin:.

[alvinkhorfire]

^
Sigh, it is one of the ambigous facts left unanswered by the author, other than the origin of Shana. Of course, the answers should be provided to satisfy our curiosity. :)

[Hooves]

Question of the year.

Is Pirsoyn a guy or a girl? It's not stated neither at novels or anime, but I always thought it was the first. But wiki refers to him as she, so... I'm lost.

The wiki also says that they don't know themselves if Pirsoyn is a girl or guy as well. So they went with the she explanation :heh:. He sounds male to me..

[CapoExecutor]

I couldn't exactly find this but then again, I'm having a migraine from doing so without success.

What is the actual meaning of the word "Guze"? Is it an actual word or just something unique?

[Rising Dragon]

Guze means Crimson, I think. Guze no Tomogara means Crimson Denizen, after all, and Tomogara is just Denizen, so...

[Elf song]

紅 (Gu) - Red, Crimson
世 (ze) - World, Realm

If translate literally, Guze no Tomogara will be like the "Denizen of the Crimson Realm".
Actually, this is only a name coined by certain human poet long time ago and it gradually spreads among the Denizens.
There are other names to call the world they come from: Impassable Neighbor, Spiral Monastery, but the most popular is Guze.

[Cosmic Eagle]

The wiki also says that they don't know themselves if Pirsoyn is a girl or guy as well. So they went with the she explanation :heh:. He sounds male to me..

She likes Ribesal....unless she's gay or something....

[Elf song]

If you trust the Goetia referrence, Pirsoyn would be male.
But some characters are not the same sex as their demon counterparts: Halphas and Valac are supposed to be male, but changed to female in SnS.

The author really knows how to tease us readers.

[Cosmic Eagle]

If you trust the Goetia referrence, Pirsoyn would be male.
But some characters are not the same sex as their demon counterparts: Halphas and Valac are supposed to be male, but changed to female in SnS.

The author really knows how to tease us readers.

Exactly....I mean look at Bel Peol, Chernobog, Gogmagog etc....

[virox]

Just wondering, was there a limited edition of Shakugan no Shana Final volume I?
They had limited editions of volume I and V for the past 2 seasons, both containing an extra disc with Shana-tan, but it seems this time there is none.

[relentlessflame]

Just wondering, was there a limited edition of Shakugan no Shana Final volume I?
They had limited editions of volume I and V for the past 2 seasons, both containing an extra disc with Shana-tan, but it seems this time there is none.There was a limited edition, but it came with the artbox and a small art book. The bonus disc will be shipping with the LE of volume 2 this time (and then again with volume 6). So a bit different than the first two seasons, but the same idea.

[alvinkhorfire]

There was a limited edition, but it came with the artbox and a small art book.
In short, are you saying that there will not be Shana-tan for Season 3 at all? Although it is no as important as the main story, there is no more hilarious Shana-tan for our enjoyment. At least, J. C. Staff can focus solely on producing the best season for Shakugan no SHANA.

[relentlessflame]

In short, are you saying that there will not be Shana-tan for Season 3 at all?You need to read the second sentence of my post... :heh:

The bonus disc will be shipping with the LE of volume 2 this time (and then again with volume 6).Shana-tan will come this month, and then again in May.

[alvinkhorfire]

^
@relentlessflame
Oops, my bad. :p I did not realize that the bonus disc is the one containing Shana-tan. Thanks for making it absolutely clear. Sorry for my mistake. :heh: More Shana-tans for our enjoyment! :D

Hopefully, production of Shana-tan will not affect the quality of production of Shakugan no SHANA Final, which, as we all agree, is more important.

[Senshigeia]

I think it would be funny to watch Shana-tan in season III :P

[Area]

What is really the relationship between Sale and Chiara? They seem to be always seen together

[SkyFlames]

What is really the relationship between Sale and Chiara? They seem to be always seen together

Sale was Chiara's mentor, and then she became his partner. They are a duo feared by Denizens through the world and well-known by all the Flame Hazes, even young ones.

[Senshigeia]

Sale was Chiara's mentor, and then she became his partner. They are a duo feared by Denizens through the world and well-known by all the Flame Hazes, even young ones.

I think the only thing I regret not being seeing in this season of SnS is the relationships between the main characters: I would love to know more about Chiara, Sale, Sophie, Khamsin, Rebecca,....

I mean, the previous seasons were full of that, but in season III there are a bunch of new characters and we know so little about them.

[SkyFlames]

I think the only thing I regret not being seeing in this season of SnS is the relationships between the main characters: I would love to know more about Chiara, Sale, Sophie, Khamsin, Rebecca,....

I mean, the previous seasons were full of that, but in season III there are a bunch of new characters and we know so little about them.

Chiara and Sale have like half volume, but it's only a side story. On other hand, Khamsin and Rebecca do not have any not animated major event prior the Snake's arc.

[elleinad00]

'Cup of Corrupting Indulgence' Pirsoyn, and shook her head as if she gave up.
This is from vol. 22 chap. 1 so Prisoyn is a girl? is he/she?

[Mad_Scientist]

This is from vol. 22 chap. 1 so Prisoyn is a girl? is he/she?

The translator might have been guessing. As I understand it, in Japanese pronouns and theirs uses are a bit different than in English, so oftentimes there's no way to know. Which then causes an issue with translating to English, because the translation becomes incredible odd sounding and cumbersome if the words he/she are never used.

[taichi-kun]

Chiara and Sale have like half volume, but it's only a side story.

In which volume? do you think the anime will adapt it ?

[elleinad00]

The translator might have been guessing. As I understand it, in Japanese pronouns and theirs uses are a bit different than in English, so oftentimes there's no way to know. Which then causes an issue with translating to English, because the translation becomes incredible odd sounding and cumbersome if the words he/she are never used.

oh thanks for that so till now it s still unknown if prisoyn is a boy or a girl.... :confused: :heh: :D

[alvinkhorfire]

^
My guess is that the gender of Pirsoyn is left ambigious, just as the origin of Shana. :(

[Elf song]

In which volume? do you think the anime will adapt it ?

Sale and Chiara are the leading protagonists in volume 15 excluding the prologue and epilogue parts. But I think J.C. won't animate about their story.
At best, they maybe animated in a flashback scene. :(

[taichi-kun]

Thanks.. I think it's too late now for JC .... we must be in volume 20 or 21 ...

[SkyFlames]

I don't think that JC even bother at showing the contents of Volume XV, but they are surelly going to animate the Sale's birth as Flame Haze.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Thanks.. I think it's too late now for JC .... we must be in volume 20 or 21 ...

Side story is possible.

Although I would prefer that to be Eternal Song

[SkyFlames]

Quick question, what does it mean at the OP2 (Serment) the word "shinpuu"? I searched for it and the only traslation that makes sense is "new style", but it still looks kinda out of place.

[Elf song]

Quick question, what does it mean at the OP2 (Serment) the word "shinpuu"? I searched for it and the only traslation that makes sense is "new style", but it still looks kinda out of place.

This is me. 髪は靡く
赤く染まる頬に
I am me･･･　決意の粒
これは始まりだった

希望も絶望にも　霞まない明日があるのなら

(simple as that)
忘れない
この痛みはあの日の約束
叶えたい叶えられない　叶える
虚空を掴む夜　何かに目覚めた朝
理由という枷ごと　果てない空へただ飛び立つ　そう
「それだけ。」

Here I am.　声に出して
言葉、確かめてた
Wherever I am.　感じてても
瞳に映すまでは

正体不明の影が　強くする明日もあるのなら

(simple as that)
譲れない
この痛みは出会いと必然
重ね合う手と手を払う
迷いで見切る願いなら　二度と会えなくていい
溢れ出す涙は　再び会えるその時まで　そう
「それだけ。」

忘れない
この痛みはあの日の約束
叶えたい叶えられない　叶える
虚空を掴む夜　何かに目覚めた朝
理由という枷ごと　果てない空へただ飛び立つ　そう
「それだけ。」

Is it the one that I bolded?
It should be closest to your "shinpuu".

[Hooves]

Quick question, what does it mean at the OP2 (Serment) the word "shinpuu"? I searched for it and the only traslation that makes sense is "new style", but it still looks kinda out of place.

Based on the Sofiel dictionary. It means "God of Wind"

But when you hear the song, it sounds like she's saying shinpuu. But I think you misheard that for "Simple as that". (I've heard it over 60 times now to tell)

[Elf song]

I agree with Hooves. "Simple" is usually pronounced as "shinpuru" in Japanese.

[Yuno]

Based on the Sofiel dictionary. It means "God of Wind"

But when you hear the song, it sounds like she's saying shinpuu. But I think you misheard that for "Simple as that". (I've heard it over 60 times now to tell)

You are my hero, a very thorough helper that is what you are. Kudos to you my dear friend~

[taichi-kun]

We saw that sophie's army managed to escape.. but what about the different wars around the world...? the outlaws were destroyed?

I remember wars in Egipt,Greece...

[Cosmic Eagle]

We saw that sophie's army managed to escape.. but what about the different wars around the world...? the outlaws were destroyed?

I remember wars in Egipt,Greece...

All the Bal Masque forces got recalled back to Sereiden

[taichi-kun]

oh yes They mentioned it in the anime,sorry my mistake.

[elleinad00]

I have great big question here

She is also implied to be Shana's mother.
Found it here: http://shakugan.wikia.com/wiki/Mathilde_Saint-Omer

WTH is that true?!?

[Cosmic Eagle]

That's news.....

So who's the father? Merihim? Obviously not....nor is it Alastor....

[elleinad00]

I have no idea.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I seriously doubt it, otherwise, seeing what Alastor and Mathilde did to Asiz and Tis....they'll be the biggest hypocritical scum in all the Shana-verse if that were true...

[Elf song]

If Shana is her daughter, why searching for the next Enpatsu Shakugan for hundreds of years?

I too really doubt this will be false information.

[elleinad00]

Thank you so much for correcting my head because when I read that I was really like this -> :twitch: thank you again! :)

[Hooves]

Indeed, Merihim had a one-sided love towards Mathilde. With Wilhelmina having a one-sided love towards Merihim. While Mathilde was in love with Alastor. Shana is also the exact age of Yuji (or somewhere around him), so she isn't like 100 years old or anything. This information needs to be edited on the wiki..

[SkyFlames]

Whoever that added that was basing himself only on suppositions... Mathilde dyed somewhere in the medieval age, if she actually did had a child and it was Shana then she would be some 500 years old, but we see her just making the contract with Alastor at modern times. Definetely fake.

[Marcus H.]

That's not true.
Mathilde is born during the Middle Ages, and Shana had her final moments as a human being while Hongkong or Singapore is already a booming country.

I've already reverted that contribution.

[Senshigeia]

I always thought while Shana was training in her early years with Merihim and Wilhelmina, she was growing up like a normal girl. From the moment she made her contract with Alastor, her body stopped growing, witch made her look like a 14-15 year old girl, but made her perhaps much older - not so much because back in season 1, when showing her training days, the tomogara who attacked Tendou-kyoku had a motorcycle. Maybe she is like 20 or 30 years old...

Anyway, this is just me...

[Marcus H.]

^ We also saw Wilhelmina preparing microwave pasta for Shana, as she's quite destructive when it comes to her cooking skills.

[taichi-kun]

do you know if yoshida died in the novel when she summoned pheles ? I don't trust JC

Thanks.

[Senshigeia]

As far as I know

she didn't.

[Cosmic Eagle]

do you know if yoshida died in the novel when she summoned pheles ? I don't trust JC

Thanks.

No....

Were you hoping she did?

[taichi-kun]

Thanks

Not really,I'm not a yoshida hater..

[Senshigeia]

I know why taichi-kun asked: after all Pheles always said if Yoshida used Giralda she would die; and in the end she didn't. I don't think they will change the main events in the anime, since the author is part of the supervising staff of this third season.

[Hooves]

Yep, J.C. Staff has been surprisingly loyal to the novels with the author supervising them. Not a good moment to break it even though they did make the Yoshida sacrifice episode into a complete comedy.

[AP24]

This is the final season so it has to be loyal.

[Marcus H.]

I really wonder why many people want Kazumi to die while using the Giralda without considering that Pheles might actually be testing Kazumi's resolve (i.e. trolling her).

[hayate-sama]

Question : what does "Psalm of Grand Order" do and why Shana shoot it to the sphere in ep 19 ?

[Cosmic Eagle]

She wants to use it to modify Xanadu such that they cannot eat humans in it

[hayate-sama]

She wants to use it to modify Xanadu such that they cannot it humans in it

Yeah, so Psalm of Grand Order is like an input code in programming :heh: (also Eat not it :heh:)

[Senshigeia]

I really wonder why many people want Kazumi to die while using the Giralda without considering that Pheles might actually be testing Kazumi's resolve (i.e. trolling her).

Yes. I read the LN chapter (volume XXII, ch. 1) and that's what Pheles describes: she wanted a miracle to happen, since humans are always afraid to die.

Yep, J.C. Staff has been surprisingly loyal to the novels with the author supervising them. Not a good moment to break it even though they did make the Yoshida sacrifice episode into a complete comedy.

Not a complete comedy, but it was quite funny :D It was refreshing to have such light moments to smooth the mood...

[Cosmic Eagle]

Yeah, so Psalm of Grand Order is like an input code in programming :heh: (also Eat not it :heh:)

Yeah....it's not a single simple spell actually but an ultra-long and complex ritual code. The bit Shana fired into the World Egg is just a portion of it

(also Eat not it :heh:)

And that's what I get for posting at 2am....

[reaper_unique]

She wants to use it to modify Xanadu such that they cannot eat humans in it

Wasn't that Yuji's and the snake of creation's plan?

And first they are all about how they need to stop Xanadu and now they want it to happen?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Wasn't that Yuji's and the snake of creation's plan?

And first they are all about how they need to stop Xanadu and now they want it to happen?

They wanted to mod it. That was Shana's plan all along.

The Snake making Xanadu an infinite Existence source would remove any need for eating humans but Shana's plan is to ensure that

[Cosmic Eagle]

Also


They can't stop the Snake. Only Alastor stands a chance against him. Later on, the Snake was about to use his God power to overwrite Shana's spell. He could have done so with no effort. But he decided to let it be in the end.

[reaper_unique]

lol seriously? So all this fighting is just because they refuse to listen to each other?

But I remember that they stated that they cannot let the snake go through with his plan. Wasn't that battle in the snow all about that?

Ah, after that failed they wanted to stop the creation but they got info from that old dude or who ever provided them with info and decided to change it.

But didn't the snake let that all happen? Didn't that old dude work with the snake as well?

[Cosmic Eagle]

lol seriously? So all this fighting is just because they refuse to listen to each other?

But I remember that they stated that they cannot let the snake go through with his plan. Wasn't that battle in the snow all about that?

Ah, after that failed they wanted to stop the creation but they got info from that old dude or who ever provided them with info and decided to change it.

But didn't the snake let that all happen? Didn't that old dude work with the snake as well?

Remember, the battle in the rain, was by one of the Four Gods, who ultimately, is a Flame Haze and was acting on his own fears and doubts like all the rest.

He's not an omniscient character who understands everything.


Lea works for her/his own goals...not the Snake's and the Snake understands that too.


First and foremost, the Snake himself is actually quite a nice person. He lives to fulfil others' wishes after all....

[reaper_unique]

Thus it baffles me even more that they don't try and talk things through.... Oh well we are nearing the end.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Thus it baffles me even more that they don't try and talk things through.... Oh well we are nearing the end.

If everything could be solved by talking, the impetus to fight wouldn't exist in the first place and wars would be ann alien concept...

[reaper_unique]

I never said that everything could be solved that way but if it's true that SoC just wants to help people and fulfill their dreams and the flame hazes want to protect the people, doesn't that mean they have some kind of common ground?

[Cosmic Eagle]

I never said that everything could be solved that way but if it's true that SoC just wants to help people and fulfill their dreams and the flame hazes want to protect the people, doesn't that mean they have some kind of common ground?

But Flame Hazes DON'T want to help people. It was never about fighting for humanity with them.

The Snake receives the prayers of the Tomogara. Humanity is represented within the Snake by Yuji.

[zero7090]

What happen to Yuji in the end of ss2 and the beginning of ss3? How did he meet SnH?

[virox]

Which one is more canon to the first volume? The first six episodes of the series or the movie? Did Alastor really get summoned by Friagne?
The summary at Baka-tsuki is not even done yet, so I don't know...

[OmniDragon]

Which one is more canon to the first volume? The first six episodes of the series or the movie? Did Alastor really get summoned by Friagne?
The summary at Baka-tsuki is not even done yet, so I don't know...

The movie Shana gets shot by trigger happy and Alastor gets summoned.

[Forbin]

What's the significance of no 'Misaki' city in the new world? Because of that there is no conflict or something?

[Dark Wing]

What's the significance of no 'Misaki' city in the new world? Because of that there is no conflict or something?

The city was so damaged during the copying process that they couldn't even make a copy of it. Quoting tsunade666...

When Yuuji uses Misaki city as the place to summon the gate. He expands the already crack up holes in the city. Resulting in it completely destroyed and cease to exist. And it goes along with his original plan of restoring it. He completely sacrifice Misaki city to open up the gate then with the left over power of existence he completely repairs it and even the ones that got eaten by the tomogara.

Which one is more canon to the first volume? The first six episodes of the series or the movie? Did Alastor really get summoned by Friagne?
The summary at Baka-tsuki is not even done yet, so I don't know...

You know has been a long time since someone asked this so I'll his repost my old explanation. Also note that the Snake had always been sleeping inside Yuji watching everything going on around him.

You see there had been a few times when Yuji would have dreams where he is talking to a mirror version of himself (which was the snake) and they would have all these deep philosophical conversations about life etc. and grow to become kinda like friends.

Well after the battle with Sabrac. Yuji started to worry about how he was still unable to really protect Shana that was when the snake appeared before Yuji and told him the only way to save Shana is to stop all the fighting and the best way to do that was to "Change The Truth of The World" i.e. Rewrite Reality.

By doing this Humans would no longer be needed for food so the flame haze would no longer be needed which meant that Shana could go back to being a normal girl and wouldn't have to fight anymore. So Yuji fuses with the snake to become a new being capable of caring out this plan.

[Rising Dragon]

What's the significance of no 'Misaki' city in the new world? Because of that there is no conflict or something?

In addition to the in-universe explanation already given, the metastory significance of Xanadu lacking its own Misaki City is so that there's a convenient way to prevent a duplication of known Misaki City characters--no extra Yujis, no extra Kazumis, no extra Satous, etc.

Assuming that Xanadu copied the world's population as well. I don't know about that; haven't seen the last two episodes yet due to lack of computer that my anime's stored on.

[MEGADANANIMEFAN]

so will Shakugan no Shana 2 and 3 be in english dub? i keep hearing its been liesended so i guess so cause i jsut saw the 1st season and i wanna see more but i cant find english dub videos so im just wondering if it exists yet

[Mad_Scientist]

so will Shakugan no Shana 2 and 3 be in english dub? i keep hearing its been liesended so i guess so cause i jsut saw the 1st season and i wanna see more but i cant find english dub videos so im just wondering if it exists yet

It doesn't exist yet. The second season isn't even out in subs (officially), though the third season is. I'm not totally sure what is going on with the licensing of the show, but I expect that eventually the second and third seasons will be available dubbed from Funimation.

Whether they will have the same voice cast as the first season is a different question. I hope at the very least they manage to get the person who did Shana's voice in English.

[MEGADANANIMEFAN]

dang i hate waiting.

[RedKey]

Ok, I just finished watching the entire series and... I'm at a loss. I can't understand what the war is all about. Can you guys help me, please?

Let's see: Yuji goes missing, and is later discovered to have merged with the Snake of the Festival. His plan is to make a new world for the Tomogara so that Flame Hazes, Shana in particular, wouldn't need to burn themselves by fighting. For some reason I didn't get, Flame Hazes want to stop him. Why would they want that? Isn't it for the best if Tomogara leave this world?
Anyway, the Snake finally manages to create his Xanadu. Shana hacks it by putting a rule that says eating humans is forbidden. Why? There will be humans in Xanadu too?
So the Tomogara leave, and suddenly the Flame Hazes go 'Oh, I guess it wasn't that bad after all.' and they decide to go to Xanadu too. I mean, really? What was that whole damn war for, then?! Isn't their goal the exact same? Shouldn't they have cooperated in creating the new world? And what was that proclamation from the goddess in mid-fight? Why does it sound like Tomogara and Flames will be fighting in the new world too?
In the end, Yuji battles Shana for... uh... no reason? He wants to be with her, she wants to be with him, yet they end up fighting each other. What for?

Seriously, I feel like I'm missing a large part of the plot, because as of now it makes no sense whatsoever, and I only have confusion in my head. If someone could be so kind as to enlighten me, please do.

[Rising Dragon]

Ok, I just finished watching the entire series and... I'm at a loss. I can't understand what the war is all about. Can you guys help me, please?

Let's see: Yuji goes missing, and is later discovered to have merged with the Snake of the Festival. His plan is to make a new world for the Tomogara so that Flame Hazes, Shana in particular, wouldn't need to burn themselves by fighting. For some reason I didn't get, Flame Hazes want to stop him. Why would they want that? Isn't it for the best if Tomogara leave this world?
Anyway, the Snake finally manages to create his Xanadu. Shana hacks it by putting a rule that says eating humans is forbidden. Why? There will be humans in Xanadu too?
So the Tomogara leave, and suddenly the Flame Hazes go 'Oh, I guess it wasn't that bad after all.' and they decide to go to Xanadu too. I mean, really? What was that whole damn war for, then?! Isn't their goal the exact same? Shouldn't they have cooperated in creating the new world? And what was that proclamation from the goddess in mid-fight? Why does it sound like Tomogara and Flames will be fighting in the new world too?
In the end, Yuji battles Shana for... uh... no reason? He wants to be with her, she wants to be with him, yet they end up fighting each other. What for?

Seriously, I feel like I'm missing a large part of the plot, because as of now it makes no sense whatsoever, and I only have confusion in my head. If someone could be so kind as to enlighten me, please do.

Xanadu would've been a perfect copy of Earth with an endless bounty of Power of Existence, but if that was all, there was nothing stopping Tomogara from eating people in that realm as well, which would just result in a continuing war as Flame Hazes fought to keep the balance and prevent human loss of existence. Also if the Snake screwed up with the creation process then it could potentially unmake all of reality and for some, that's just too great a risk to take. And the majority of Flame Hazes have major grievances against Tomogara and want revenge, and Xanadu could've potentially taken away their very reason to exist--don't let it be said that the Flame Hazes were entirely in the right.

Partially fixed by altering the rules of Xanadu to prevent Tomogara from being able to eat humans within the realm. And I guess the Four Gods wanted to create a warning of sorts--an event where hundreds of thousands of Tomogara lost their lives in one event for feeding on humans, so future Tomogara would be too scared to eat humans and get hunted down by Flame Haze for it.

Can't speak much for the Yuji/Shana conflict; having not seen it yet. So... lover's quarrel, I guess?

[Mad_Scientist]

Rising Dragon already explained a bit, but here's some background info that will put things into more perspective.

3,000 years ago, the Snake of the Festival first attempted to create Xanadu and was sealed away in the abyss. We don't get many details about how exactly this occurred in the anime, but from a few lines in some of the episodes the following information can be learned.

1) The first version of Xanadu was much different than what was ultimately created, consisting of a small city or "walled garden" as it was referred to once. It seems like this was some sort of prototype, I think, and it's not clear just how much progress the Snake made or what specifically the details of this Xanadu were.

2) The Snake of the Festival decided to do things peacefully with the Flame Hazes, and even invited them to his early Xanadu creation-in-progress.

3) The Flame Hazes, concerned that the Snake would accidentally destroy the world, were apparently not swayed by his words or offers of peace. The Flame Hazes that were invited fought the Snake anyways, and sacrificed themselves to seal him away. They did this out of an apparent belief they were saving the world from the Snake's (in their view) misguided attempts to create a paradise.

Now, since the Xanadu that is created at the end of the series is different in nature than the Snake's early work, and he also had the Midnight Lost Child to help him, we cannot say with absolute certainty that the Flame Hazes 3,000 years were wrong. But I personally think they were, that the Snake would not have destroyed the world. I think the ancient Flame Hazes made a horrible, horrible mistake.

Now, looking at the present, the Snake has finally been released, and he plans to create a new Xanadu on a grand scale. But based on what happened in the past, he's obviously less certain about doing things peacefully with the Flame Hazes. Indeed, much of the early conflict is essentially the Snake assuming that the Flame Hazes will find some reason or excuse to oppose him once again, and thus he should make war on them preemptively, and avoid revealing too much about his plans for fear that doing so would simply make it easier for the Flame Hazes to oppose him.

Did he make the right decision? Who knows.

Early on, the Flame Hazes, for their part, fight the Snake because... well, he's gone down in legend as a monster (unjustly, but they don't know that) and he's making war with them.

Once the Snake's plan is finally revealed to them, they oppose him mainly for the reason that Rising Dragon mentioned. They think that a Xanadu that doesn't have a rule that prohibits eating humans in it will just lead to disaster.

As to why the Snake and the Flame Hazes don't talk things out at that point, and are forced to use violence. Well, history. The history of what I just described above, for one thing. They both don't trust each other. And more than just that, there is a long history of bloodshed and violence and hatred between Flame Hazes and Denizens.

Essentially, you're right about how the battle was in a way meaningless. It should have been possible for them to avoid fighting, could have been if things had gone differently, but a history of bad blood and mistrust meant that they ended up fighting anyways.

[RedKey]

I see now, thanks for the explanation.
This means the whole war was fought just out of fear and resentment — the Flame Hazes feared the legendary Snake of the Festival would be an evil being and undo reality or create something dangerous for the balance of the Power of Existence (or beared their personal grudges against Denizens and wanted to kill them all anyway); the Snake, that once wanted to solve things peacefully, now feared the Flame Hazes would oppose and seal him again if he tried to talk with them so attacked them first. It's all about mutual misunderstandings that led to loss of lives. This is...very sad, indeed.

However, I'd put the greater part of the blame on the ancient Flame Hazes.

[MEGADANANIMEFAN]

grrr now i wanna watch 2 and 3 but not in sub...... GAAAAHHHHH!!!! should i watch now or wait til they in dub?

[Konakaga]

Since I didn't see this cover
In the end, Yuji battles Shana for... uh... no reason? He wants to be with her, she wants to be with him, yet they end up fighting each other. What for?

Yuji felt he deserved a large punishment for the loses of flamehaze and human life caused in reaching his goal in the war. So he felt he didn't deserve happiness for a long time from then, which is why he wouldn't allow himself to be with Shana, and that Shana wouldn't accept the deaths he caused as a part of his plan.

While Shana and Alastor obviously disagreed and felt their Yuji's punishment for himself was too harsh and too selfish since it ignored/assumed Shana's feelings. And Shana would not accept being apart from Yuji over something like this, so she fought against his reasoning.

Thus they fought over the difference in the believes on if he should be punished or not.

[RedKey]

So he knew his plan would kill a whole lot of Flame Hazes and humans, but still got through with it even if he felt guilt, thinking from the beginning that he would not be reunited with Shana. I see.

Actually, I have one more question, but it isn't anime or manga related, hope it's still on-topic in Q&A thread.
I searched the Internet for the novels — I can't possibly hope to buy them raw, since that level of Japanese is way too difficult for me atm, and I could find only the first two volumes in English from a few years ago. Does this mean it won't be translated anymore?

[Mad_Scientist]

So he knew his plan would kill a whole lot of Flame Hazes and humans, but still got through with it even if he felt guilt, thinking from the beginning that he would not be reunited with Shana. I see.

Actually, I have one more question, but it isn't anime or manga related, hope it's still on-topic in Q&A thread.
I searched the Internet for the novels — I can't possibly hope to buy them raw, since that level of Japanese is way too difficult for me atm, and I could find only the first two volumes in English from a few years ago. Does this mean it won't be translated anymore?

Unfortunately, if you mean official translations, yes. Or most likely. Viz licensed the series and released the first two novels a few years back, but I guess they didn't sell well enough or something, because they never released any further novels. I think they still have the license technically, but they don't seem to have any interest in doing anything with it anymore.

[Morisato]

I don't get why Shana never had a name. She is older than she looks right?

She says stuff like she's a flame haze and not human so she doesn't need a name (she said that right?) but uhm... all the other flame haze have names. I mean what the hell has everyone been calling then before Yuuji called her Shana?

[Rising Dragon]

I don't get why Shana never had a name. She is older than she looks right?

She says stuff like she's a flame haze and not human so she doesn't need a name (she said that right?) but uhm... all the other flame haze have names. I mean what the hell has everyone been calling then before Yuuji called her Shana?

They typically called her by her Flame Haze title of "Flame-Haired Burning-Eyed Hunter."

[Myname]

I don't understand the distinction between Tomogara (Denizen) and Ou (King). Are Kings the only ones that can make a contract with a human to create a flame haze? So all flame haze have kings in them. But how did Spiral Organ make a contract with Lamie then if Spiral Organ isn't a King?

Do the Flame Haze titles come with the King? So whoever Tiamat contracts with is "Manipulator of Objects"? Did Lamie get the title "Corpse Retrieve" because he's contracted with Spiral Organ?

[Elf song]

Tomogara(Denizen) and Ou(Lord/king) are classified by their ability to store and manipulating the Power of Existence. Those who have these abilities will be honored as King. But there are also those who seclude themselves in the world without showing their true power; they will not be called Kings until the others acknowledge them.

Some Kings who form contract with human are not "King", their classification is tomogara but in honor of their devotion to protect the balance, they are called "King" after contract.

The title of the Flame Haze comes with the King who he/she made contract with. There are two examples of those who have the same titles with same Kings: Mathilde Saint-Omer >> Shana and Karl Berwald >> Chiara Toscana.

[Myname]

Tomogara(Denizen) and Ou(Lord/king) are classified by their ability to store and manipulating the Power of Existence. Those who have these abilities will be honored as King. But there are also those who seclude themselves in the world without showing their true power; they will not be called Kings until the others acknowledge them.

Some Kings who form contract with human are not "King", their classification is tomogara but in honor of their devotion to protect the balance, they are called "King" after contract.

The title of the Flame Haze comes with the King who he/she made contract with. There are two examples of those who have the same titles with same Kings: Mathilde Saint-Omer >> Shana and Karl Berwald >> Chiara Toscana.

So normally they have different titles depending on the person. So the manifested powers are different as well then? Wilhelmina is called "Manipulator of Objects" because she can control those bandages... if Tiamat contracted with someone else, that person won't necessarily have bandage powers?

[Elf song]

Flame Hazes with same Kings usually use same powers instead of creating their own unique spells. But if Tiamat makes contract with others after Wilhelmina, that person has the choice to follow his/her predecessor's style of fighting or not:

-Chiara seems to follow her predecessor's footstep by training Karl's renowned ability to shoot aurora arrows and doesn't create her own spell. Another person is Yuri Chvojka (the Flame Haze kid who made an appearance in season 2, during Margerie's flashback) who use the same power as his many predecessors to control insects.

-On the other side, They could create new spells or abilities of their own. Like Shana who doesn't have to follow her predecessor's power to create an army of knights but choosing her own perspective of "strength". She creates her own spells: sword of flame, manifestation of Alastor's fist, etc.

[MEGADANANIMEFAN]

anyone know when seasons 2 and 3 will be dub?

[Hooves]

If there was ever a dub coming for season 2. I feel that it should have came out by now.. I think the dubbers probably took the fan's rage on the dub to mind? I'm not sure :eyespin:

[syke123]

Viz had lousy sales with the first season so financially it would be a bad corporate move to do more.

The show already has a NA licensor anyways.

[Morisato]

Episode 12...

If Alastor could just teleport away from Yuuji... why didn't he do that earlier?

[Konakaga]

Episode 12...

If Alastor could just teleport away from Yuuji... why didn't he do that earlier?

He was gathering information to try to better understand Yuuji's plan and goals, iirc. Also I don't think he could teleport away while Shana's powers were blocked by the treasure tool.

[Makall]

Are each of those fodder foot soldiers Flame Haze? Cause there seems to be as many fodder flame haze as there are fodder tomogara.

In which case aren't there like thousands of fodder King of Guze?

[MEGADANANIMEFAN]

but there was a annoucement saying it was lisenced.... *crys*

[Mad_Scientist]

Here's a question for those who have read the novels. I've heard on another forum that in Volume 20, when Yuji reveals the Grand Order and makes his two proclamations, things occur a bit differently than in episode 14 and 15 of the anime. I found the way the whole Flame Haze massacre went down a bit odd in the anime, as it seemed weird for Yuji to proclaim that their fight was over and then go right back to killing them. Did it happen quite like that in the novels, or did it make more sense?

[MEGADANANIMEFAN]

so the eng dub that was made from diff voice actors.....i think ill try it. id rather have crappy dub then sub to be honest

[MEGADANANIMEFAN]

any eta on funmations dub for season 2?

[Rising Dragon]

Given the deteriorating situation with anime licensing in the west, probably sometime never.

[MEGADANANIMEFAN]

T-T awwwww

[vrz]

what was the reason all the flame haze's wanted to go to the new world?
why didnt they want to stay in the old world?

[Rising Dragon]

They can't live without the Denizens, whatever their reasons for revenge--like Khamsim said to Kazumi, when he found the Denizen that was responsible for his uplifting into a Flame Haze, he was actually grateful to the Denizen, and the Denizen grateful to him.

Also, they probably wanted to prevent the Denizens in Xanadu from doing something phenomenally stupid. With the Flame Hazes there, the Denizens would hesitate from doing something dangerous.

Also, they probably wanted to see the God of Creation's new world.

[Uberchu]

Is it just me, or is SoF Yuji actually pretty weak? Sure, in the beginning, he absolutely raped Shana, Margery, and Wilhermina combined. A few episodes later, he's only fighting on equal footing with Shana. I hear that the three were holding back (I personally don't buy it). The only plausible explanation seems to be that Shana was using the most powerful unrestricted spell AKA the power of love, but that explanation seems so cliched and weak that I think there's a better explanation.

[Konakaga]

Is it just me, or is SoF Yuji actually pretty weak? Sure, in the beginning, he absolutely raped Shana, Margery, and Wilhermina combined. A few episodes later, he's only fighting on equal footing with Shana. I hear that the three were holding back (I personally don't buy it). The only plausible explanation seems to be that Shana was using the most powerful unrestricted spell AKA the power of love, but that explanation seems so cliched and weak that I think there's a better explanation.

While he has the dragon's tail program and SoF were working with him, he was probably stronger than Shana a little bit, but when that was gone, Yuji was definitely weaker.

[vrz]

They can't live without the Denizens, whatever their reasons for revenge--like Khamsim said to Kazumi, when he found the Denizen that was responsible for his uplifting into a Flame Haze, he was actually grateful to the Denizen, and the Denizen grateful to him.

Also, they probably wanted to prevent the Denizens in Xanadu from doing something phenomenally stupid. With the Flame Hazes there, the Denizens would hesitate from doing something dangerous.

Also, they probably wanted to see the God of Creation's new world.

That kindda makes sense, but wasnt one of the rules of the new world that the denizens cant eat humans.

I also find it odd that even the flame hazes that have lost the will to fight were brought there as well.

Another thing is, is the denizens cant eat humans where do they get their power of existence from?
Is it floating around in the air in the new world? i know yuji said there would be as much as they wanted

[Rising Dragon]

There's plenty of ways a Denizen can cause trouble without devouring humans, I imagine. They have some pretty amazing powers all things considered.

Xanadu, IIRC, utilizes the distortions in the world to generate Power of Existence for free use. It's based off of the Reiji Maigo, which did the same to regenerate used Power of Existence in its holder.

[vrz]

There's plenty of ways a Denizen can cause trouble without devouring humans, I imagine. They have some pretty amazing powers all things considered.

Xanadu, IIRC, utilizes the distortions in the world to generate Power of Existence for free use. It's based off of the Reiji Maigo, which did the same to regenerate used Power of Existence in its holder.

ah ok that makes sense
thanks

[Lexxus]

I have a question. So the ending of SnS was also the ending of the novel?

[redflame]

Yes, with little aspects of it taken out. For example, Yuji in the novels also confessed his feelings to Shana after she confessed. :) In my opinion, I think they should've added that in the anime.

[Hooves]

Indeed, it would have added more feel to it~

[Julio C]

I've never seen this series before and I was thinking of checking out the first few episodes of Season 1. If I do like what I see so far and end up watching the rest of the series, should I avoid the movies?

The NA BD of season 1 is coming out, is it going to have that horrible detail destroying upscaling or be a new upscale that is different from the JP version?

[ultimatemegax]

I've never seen this series before and I was thinking of checking out the first few episodes of Season 1. If I do like what I see so far and end up watching the rest of the series, should I avoid the movies?

The NA BD of season 1 is coming out, is it going to have that horrible detail destroying upscaling or be a new upscale that is different from the JP version?

We have not seen any images from the NA set thus far, so we cannot judge. As for the movie question, there is only one movie and it is an alternative telling of the first part of the first season. I personally watched the movie first and still appreciated the episodes, so you can do that. It's up to you if you want to repeat the events.

[Julio C]

Well if it's just repeating events, then I'm not interested in the movies.

[Filus]

Well I wouldn't say it's just repeating events. The move has better graphics and efects plus it's ending is way more epic and actually close to orginal version from Novel

[Zburator]

So about that season two that someone asked about "awhile" ago.

From Amazon, parts 1 (http://www.amazon.com/Shakugan-Shana-Limited-Edition-Blu-ray/dp/B008D1RCQ8/ref=pd_bxgy_mov_img_b) & 2 (http://www.amazon.com/Shakugan-Shana-Season-Part-Blu-ray/dp/B008D1RCTU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1343180011&sr=8-2&keywords=Shakugan+no+Shana+2).

And Funimation yapping on about it on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtrHZejpmQc&feature=player_embedded). I think, damn youtube region locked Australia out! So... if someone can tell me what they're actually saying, that would totally be cool.

[Chuck Noris]

You can use a US proxy to bypass the country restriction.

Anyway I downloaded a offline version of that video here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?gkjnyz7vag6c1d0

[PunkHazard]

where can i go to find the raw for eternal song?

nvm i found it

[PunkHazard]

Is there any place i can read the 10th novel in english? Even if it was translated by one of you guys,

[redflame]

^ You can read it here: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Shakugan_no_Shana

It hasn't been fully translated so you're gonna have to wait. :)

[PunkHazard]

is there any place i can buy volume 4 and 5 of eternal song?

[Morisato]

What was the point of killing Sydonay?

That was completely unnecessary. In the end, it was just as planned and Yuji got what he wanted. It was a noble cause too so why the fuck were they opposing him and to KILL SYDONAY? WTF? This guy deserved a good ending.

I got to say, my impression of Flame Haze this season is that they were pricks to the very end.

[Rising Dragon]

What was the point of killing Sydonay?

That was completely unnecessary. In the end, it was just as planned and Yuji got what he wanted. It was a noble cause too so why the fuck were they opposing him and to KILL SYDONAY? WTF? This guy deserved a good ending.

I got to say, my impression of Flame Haze this season is that they were pricks to the very end.

He got a good ending. He was in love with Hecate and wanted to be with her. He got that wish--by killing him, his soul was taken to where Hecate's was and they get to be together until the next time they're reborn for the Snake's wish.