Higurashi Kai Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[Skyfall]

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[Dark Wing]

Well we get some of Takano's back story in this episode and also in the next. It's really sad what happend to her at young age.:upset: Strange how both Satoko and Takano have pretty messed up stories. Really makes me wonder what the creator has agenst blonde lolis...:heh:

Edit: Oh Yea! First in baby!

[Sterling01]

He must not like foreigners

[shigure asa]

He must not like foreigners
if blond hair means it's a gaijin!!
then green hair is for ... ... ??

[Dark Wing]

He must not like foreigners

Well that could be it...:eyespin:

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[Sterling01]

Green hair serves as an additional "standard" hair color. For ex. Midori in Midori No Hibi or in This Ugly Yet Beautiful World, where one of the alien girls who is standing next to her green-haired co-star is rebuked by a teacher for having a "non-natural" hair color

[Rias]

The OP changed again!


...in a good way :heh:

[Dark Wing]

The OP changed again!


...in a good way :heh:

It was very unexpected too. They seem to have changed it to cut out the stuff they replaced. Which was a good move btw...

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[USCPharmacist]

This episode is awesome. Perfect 10

[Sterling01]

10 for just the opening

[Dark Wing]

10 for just the opening

Fans will be fans I guess...well i shouldn't talk I'm giving it a 10 as well. :heh:

[Klashikari]

very nice change for the OP in both places. (especially the later part, though it is quite a "spoiler" but meh...)
I was expecting a change for the "kakera" part of the OP however, but that's a bit too much ^^"

Episode 14: Bullet Summary and screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-14-matsuribayashi-hen-1-miyo/)
edit: screencaps are now up.

A very nice episode, fitting very well the start of matsuribayashi (game).
I really liked how they were able to smoothly do the time transition between the different periods, giving pertinent explanations around takano's origins of her objective, and how she got so many support.
The good thing is that they didn't overdramatize her past at all, and obviously shows it rather a "trigger" than an "excuse".

I really liked how Miyoko's flashback of her life with her parents was done, simply not usual.

[MarthX]

Finished watching it.

Loved that the OP changed. I did not expect that. The end surprised me too; The episode continues for a few more minutes after the credits.

This episode felt incredibly powerful. I can't wait for the subs.

[Sterling01]

That bit after the credits surprised me and also is it just me or does that guy that Miyoko's with when she meets Irie for the first time, look alot like Hitler

[Klashikari]

The similarities are really striking and I'm wondering why the animators decide to do that... it was a bit "meh".

[Rias]

Good epsiode. The art quality is back up (maybe it's cuz only 13 was kinda bad.) Jumping from young Miyoko to pre-hinamizawa Miyo then back and then back to young Miyoko was kinda weird.

A-part:
I don't remember Matsuribayashi-hen's start too well (I just skimmed though the pre-kakera musubi part), but I don't remember the Orphanage to be that crazy...at least the part with the kid who spilled his food (I do remember about the escape scene and the cruelty they were subject to.)

B-part:
Government offical: Definitely Prime Minister Abe-look-a-like :heh:
Young Iri/Tomi: Nice faces
Oko-sama Lunch set flag: I'm suprised they actually kept that, seeing how DEEN has been cutting various minor things out.

C-part:
Another week that ended with Takano laughing :heh:

Nice epsiode should pretty much wrap up all the Takano history stuff and move onto kakera-musubi...

[Sterling01]

Next episode from the preview looks like it will end at the start of the kakera-musubi

[-MotokoAoyama-]

the raws are out!?

I'll be searching for it. The changed op screenshot is enough to send me into Rena mode:

"SO CUTE!!! I WANNA BRING HANYUU HOME!!!"

[shigure asa]

Oko-sama Lunch set flag: I'm suprised they actually kept that, seeing how DEEN has been cutting various minor things out.

nice flag studio deen!! next time give us the time stop too okay?? -3-

i give it a "excellent" rate~~ if only ふたり。ひとり。was there it'd be a 100%~~

[Sterling01]

the raws are out!?

I'll be searching for it. The changed op screenshot is enough to send me into Rena mode:

"SO CUTE!!! I WANNA BRING HANYUU HOME!!!"

no it's up on nico though

[Sterling01]

ふたり。ひとり。 sounds sad but also happy at the same time

[kingsky123]

10 for just the opening

yes, i definitely agree on that

[-MotokoAoyama-]

Just finished watching it. Since I suck at Japanese, I guess I voted excellent because

OPENING!!!

Seeing Takano's past was nice too, but her laugh at the end just killed off all my sympathy

[Tengusoldier]

link for the new op?
I don't wanna see the whole ep without subs >.>

[shigure asa]

Seeing Takano's past was nice too, but her laugh at the end just killed off all my sympathy

that's intentional~~
if it's like this then it's more realist than 'she had a hard life so a massacre is ok' type feeling, right?? ^^

[Sterling01]

link for the new op?
I don't wanna see the whole ep without subs >.>
just watch the first 1:30 seconds of the episode

@MotokoAoyama That laugh shows how far Miyoko has fallen. It made me have even more sympathy for her

[aroduc]

Hanyuu wants your SOUL

New OP shot
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The OP didn't change much. Just framed Takano as more obviously evil, added DEMON HANYUU (auauau~) and showed Hanyuu in the school uniform running over to the kids at the end.

[Ishikawa Minoru]

I already knew about Takano-sama's past, but this episode really made me feel close to her.

It's not like I deslike the club members or anything, but after all Takano-sama had to endure I cannot help rejoicing over her victory. She beat everyone and became God against all odds! Rika will eventually win, but it's only one victory against thousands of losses.

[Klashikari]

Against all odds? that's quite funny if you ask me...(if we consider her wish is completely linked with her status)
her ordeal has arguably little to none involvement with her current objective.

and also, for rika, it isn't "one" victory. it is "THE" victory.

[Shiosai]

The animation quality for this ep is great. I can't believe I spent 20 minutes rooting for 34 after all she's done, but what can I say.

Hanyuu wants your SOUL
The OP didn't change much. Just framed Takano as more obviously evil, added DEMON HANYUU (auauau~) and showed Hanyuu in the school uniform running over to the kids at the end.

I didn't even notice it until I read this thread. :heh:

[-MotokoAoyama-]

@MotokoAoyama That laugh shows how far Miyoko has fallen. It made me have even more sympathy for her

Really? Maybe its just me, but I found Rika living her life again and again for 100 years to be more worthy of sympathy, so when that laugh happened, I remember the last episode and Rika and I went "BURN, TAKANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Actually, I was a bit confused by that last scene. Was that supposed to link to the end of Minagoroshi-hen?

[Ishikawa Minoru]

Against all odds? that's quite funny if you ask me...(if we consider her wish is completely linked with her status)
her ordeal has arguably little to none involvement with her current objective.

and also, for rika, it isn't "one" victory. it is "THE" victory.

Yes, Rika can always come back, but Takano-sama only had one chance. No matter what number the die rolled, Rika could always try again, but Takano had to roll 6 countless times without any 'resets'.

From a hopeless orphan to a God-like existence!

No matter what, Takano won 99.9% of the times...which is rather interesting. I know this happened differently in the game, but in Saikai we saw Akasaka, Rena and Oishi after the GHD...which means that at least in the anime the whole doesn't collapse after Takano wins.

The club members remembered past worlds, but there are probably many Hinamizawas in which some of them live past GHD...so effectively speaking, Takano's exists as a winner in say 999 worlds whereas Rika ceased to exist in 999 world and won in 1 Hinamizawa. The situation is even worse for Rena and the others.

[Rias]

This epsiode and the next epsiode is to tell the viewers how 34-tan's determination was formed. She's so determined to carry out her plans that no matter how many worlds "Rika" travels to, the set event of Tomitake and Takano's death will always happen, no matter what. The only salvation for the village is for Rika to die prematurely. Takano Miyo, the embodiment of Rule Y, cannot be easily defeated, espically with X and Z on the sides and thus having the 3 rules strengthing each other.

[Sterling01]

Really? Maybe its just me, but I found Rika living her life again and again for 100 years to be more worthy of sympathy, so when that laugh happened, I remember the last episode and Rika and I went "BURN, TAKANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Actually, I was a bit confused by that last scene. Was that supposed to link to the end of Minagoroshi-hen?
You won't understand what I meant until the end of the series. I was just voicing my opinon

[Sterling01]

bastards from alphabet?

[Radikaru]

Fallen? She rose, right? She became God.

In that sense, yes, she rose.
But spiraling into insanity the way she did isn't exactly rising.

[Klashikari]

please avoid spoilers from pieces. all you wrote is absolutely NOT SHOWN in this episode

Yes, Rika can always come back, but Takano-sama only had one chance. No matter what number the die rolled, Rika could always try again, but Takano had to roll 6 countless times without any 'resets'.
Please, don't assume such thing. For starters, Rika doesn't have an infinite amount of possibilities.
Second, the chances Takano wins are Beyond 90%. it is fairly possible to say that Her chance are even bigger than 99%

From a hopeless orphan to a God-like existence!
Her orphan and past doesn't have NOTHING to do with her situation.

No matter what, Takano won 99.9% of the times...which is rather interesting. I know this happened differently in the game, but in Saikai we saw Akasaka, Rena and Oishi after the GHD...which means that at least in the anime the whole doesn't collapse after Takano wins.
It is always like this, and it has been proved in Himatsubushi as well. It isn't "anime exclusive".
But for hinamizawa, the world collapse.

[-MotokoAoyama-]

You won't understand what I meant until the end of the series. I was just voicing my opinon

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't trying to take out your opinion. It was just my own two cents worth.

I can see where the Takano sympathy is coming since I did read some spoilers about the "last" world, but as some have already mentioned, she did win 99.9%, and Rika had to live through that 99.9%. If I were Rika, I would've certainly gone insane after 3 reruns of my life

[Klashikari]

The thing is what she "received" doesn't balance with "what she deals" especially that the means are absolutely not the only way she can do for her "true objective".
That said, I don't clash my "feelings" for X-Y characters, but for Takano's case, if i have to remove my bias side, because of her atrocities, that doesn't justify what she planned to do. if it was another village, it would raise the same reaction from me because what she get through has nothing to do with the situation.

if it was a complete massacre in the orphonage institution etc, i would be "okay", for the "justification", but considering here, nope. not at all. but that's another opinion.

i believe it is not time yet to try to speak further because the episode DOESN'T show completely what Takano have to get through for this plan.
and really we are touching spoilerish matter at this rate.

[Sterling01]

The funny thing is the only reason I give Miyoko sympathy is because I can relate with her childhood.

[-MotokoAoyama-]

^ perhaps that explains some things, as others like myself probably can never relate to that.

and like Klashikari said, she can achieve her true objective through ways that would not involve massacre.

I don't see Einstein killing a village to get his name into history. Takano should just work hard as a researcher, and I'm sure someone of her callibre should be able to produce something that would be remembered, and of course, when she's famous, she would be able to tell the world about who influenced her into going down the path of science

[Sterling01]

Well Einstien is kinda responsible for the A-bomb

[Klashikari]

That is a complete undirect cause, and the original idea AND application weren't malicious, but under the name of science.
meanwhile... Takano is HARDLY doing all of this for sake of research or crap like this. Personal, that's the good word for her. And usually, this thing is rather definite, and not "good or evil" for the said character, especially in her case.

again, you have many possibilities, and we will judge later on.

again, i think we are discussing on a very very slippy field...

[shigure asa]

Fallen? She rose, right? She became God.

not really~~
miyo has a mental state that's really questionable, so she thought that causing massacre = making a history mark = never dies (never forgotten) = lives forever: so she's a god~~

all she really did was kill lots of people for the sake of takano hifumi ... ...
ｉｔ's like saying "shion gj!! you exacted satoshi's revenge!!" for her killing tsunbaba, mi-chan, rika and last but not least satoko herself ^^

in the meakashi hen: even though shi-chan is saying "this is for only satoshi's sake!!" and things like that, it just became a revenge story against mi-chan for having k1 and the sonozaki's successor title from "the name of shion" ... ...
so not only is she using "satoshi's death" as an excuse for killing in selfish way -- also satoshi, if he ever knew, would likely say stuff like "i ask you to take care of satoko and you do this?? what is wrong with you??"

miyo is the same type: she's doing bad things for the sake of "hifumi's will" but is really only revenging god for her own struggle~~
& seriously do you think hifumi supported the idea of miyo(ko) 'surpassing god' like that??

he said "people shouldn't surpass god" in minagoroshi tips right??
i guess 34 took him too seriously and missed an important saying in the process -3-

[harukamae]

I really felt impatient watching this episode. I liked it because it fleshed out Takano as a character a bit (although it did seem like a fly-by job, due to time constraints. I reccommend the TIPS and Kakera-Musubi to anyone who really wants to get a feel for her past), but after Minagoroshi, I just wanna hurry up and jump into Matsuribayashi! ^^

Love the new OP! auauau FTW!

And...did anyone get the Winry-vibe from chibi 34? Or am I just nuts? (don't answer that...)

[Klashikari]

Harukamae: err... no this is before the pieces, and it almost give everything the game actually show before kakera musubi.
it doesn't have any conflict with the original information so, nothing about "time constraint" and such.
That's quite the opposite, since they actually added some things alongside, instead of waiting the pieces to reveal more past.
The part before kakera Musubi isn't done yet.

asa shigure: well said (fitting what i ranted on my analysis 13 about takano ^^'). it is basically something "taken everything to the first degree" which is quite funny considering what Hifumi actually said in this episode about human.
Looks like Miyo didn't exactly learn her lesson well before growing up. but that's another story.

[Sterling01]

On to another point: Why did DEEN wait up until now to show tommy in his uniform

[shigure asa]

On to another point: Why did DEEN wait up until now to show tommy in his uniform
time constraints? saving it for later?
it's such a shame ne~~ tommy is amazing levels of moe in it too~~

[Ishikawa Minoru]

Please, don't assume such thing. For starters, Rika doesn't have an infinite amount of possibilities.

We all know Hanyuu's powers become weaker everytime she brings Rika back. They talked about it many times, so I never assumed that. I assumed that was common knowledge.

Second, the chances Takano wins are Beyond 90%. it is fairly possible to say that Her chance are even bigger than 99%

You misunderstood my point.
She beat all the odds during her childhood and later on. She was an orphan, had no power and had to struggle through many hardships.

So, before she could rigg the odds in the Hinamizawa game, she really did the unlikely.


It is always like this, and it has been proved in Himatsubushi as well. It isn't "anime exclusive".
But for hinamizawa, the world collapse.
I wasn't saying it was 'anime exclusive'. I merely stated the way things happened in Saikai were different from the way they were portrayed in Demon's Script, or rather the minor changes that happened regarding Oishi and Rena's presence.

I only brought that up so nothing could misunderstood,w.

[Klashikari]

On to another point: Why did DEEN wait up until now to show tommy in his uniform
Well, it was rather irrelevant, and to be fairly honest, the sudden change of cloth in Hinamizawa is a bit... meh.
More likely time contraints and "consistency" for the anime side.

We all know Hanyuu's powers become weaker everytime she brings Rika back. They talked about it many times, so I never assumed that. I assumed that was common knowledge.
The thing is that your message assumed "she can still reset", which is a irrelevant considering that hitting a wall X times, and having even less time each time to repevtn the trainwreck is kinda not something to discard in the process.
the whole change is a "mere" miracle, and considerin Matsuri, well you can tell that in asbolute probability i don't think Takano is quite "praisable" for her efforts considering the disarming lack of difficulty she got for this, unlike the jaded old hag :heh:

You misunderstood my point.
She beat all the odds during her childhood and later on. She was an orphan, had no power and had to struggle through many hardships.

So, before she could rigg the odds in the Hinamizawa game, she really did the unlikely.Yet again, her hardship don't have anything to do with what she was trying to do.
Everything changed when she got with Hifumi and this "specific event".
aside of this, her miserable past and efforts don't match with what is happening.

[-MotokoAoyama-]

@Sterling01 I can only say that DEEN is being evil, that's why

I frankly believe that Tommy in his uniform is better than his usual outfit, but then again, my fashion sense is quite bad, lmao. But anything is better than the Tommy Princess in the image threads

[Sterling01]

What about angel mort tommy, how bad is that?

[shigure asa]

What about angel mort tommy, how bad is that?

not as bad as batsu game meido tommy, i think~~

[patnam]

The rise of evil (Takano) and new OP images......

[kj1980]

The episode was well done as a precursor to Matsuribayashi, pretty close to the original. As others has said, I'm surprised (and overjoyed) that they left the okosama-lunch flag scene intact, with a nice 8mm effect to boot.

But the real sauce goes to the OP. Brilliant, and one of the best OP change that I have seen in a while. Sure it is slight change, but for those who have played the game it could not have been better than that.

1. Hanyuu's spiritual awakening - kick ass. And judging by the previews, I can't wait for the semi-showdown between Hanyuu and Miyo at the shrine.

2. Rika waving....to Hanyuu! Perfect and great scene to show that Hanyuu is not an observer anymore; that she has finally made her decision to physically join the gang. And her school uniform is so moe~.

[Vash002]

Meh, i wanna see so badly
Hanyuu using the Geass

Aww, this episode got a 10 :heh:
I liked more Takano after this episode.

[Micchi]

10 from me too. Really loved the slight OP changes and was surprised when the ep went past the ED. It captivated me from beginning to end. Kinda feel sorry for Takano a bit after this. Just a bit.

Can't wait for the next ep!

[Kang Seung Jae]

This episode proves why I love Takano.

[i8o]

young Illy and young Tommy are looked like good guy originally.
though young Miyo has become evil-Maetel.

[nihaha]

i love takano too.

[Deathkillz]

Now the new OP scared me...devil hanyuu isnt exactly the best thing to watch in the dark :heh:

i found it quite ironic that takano lived a similar childhood to satoko yet she is still cold blooded enough to shoot her in the face...perhaps she detested what she swa in satoko which reminded of her former weak self? nice background ep nonetheless :3

[Kyogissun]

Well I can only pray at least one sub is out before the night is over cause I saw the preview for this episode when it was leaked a few weeks ago and have been anticipating it ever since. ><

I saw the second half (Better term to use rather than new? Dunno) intro on youtube, I only know so much about it and thought I knew almost everything that would happen but this has kinda hooked me in again.

Not that I was planning to quit the series but still... Devil Hanyuu makes me think there's finally going to be a different representation of her power in Matsuribayashi-hen.

After the torturous dragging on that was the 3rd-5th episodes in Minagorashi-hen, it's nice to see we might finally be getting a chapter completely full of 'information' to give us a little better understanding of a character or two but really, after that intro, I just want the final arc to start already.

Also, anyone know if episode 14 is a stand alone episode or if it's a part of a full arc? And if that's the case, how long is Matsuribayashi-hen supposed to last? x.x

[MarthX]

14 is part of Matsuribayashi and Matsuribayashi will last 11 episodes.

[joshualimm]

1. Hanyuu's spiritual awakening - kick ass. And judging by the previews, I can't wait for the semi-showdown between Hanyuu and Miyo at the shrine.


wtf... was that even in the 24-minute episode?? Reminds me of the first time when I read of unspoiler-tagged hints pointing to Miyu back in the first series. Thanks a bunch.

As for the episode, amazing. Very emotional. Can't say that Miyu is evil... and I partly agree with what she's doing. And if there are any more stories on her in the future episodes, I might end up liking her even more. It's just unfortunate that for her to achieve what she wants, she ends up stepping on (or crushing) more toes than a normal person usually does. Bye bye miyo, GO MIYU!!! Kill the Hinamizawaians!!! Be remembered for all eternity!! Though I do think she could've done something about that laugh. Sounds almost as if she's not meaning it, which she should.

[Kyogissun]

14 is part of Matsuribayashi and Matsuribayashi will last 11 episodes.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up.

And damn, 11 episodes? So Matsurbayashi is officially the last chapter of the anime then? Sounds fine, I just didn't know Matsuribayashi was gonna take up the entire second half of Kai.

[MarthX]

Text size for each game.

Onikakushi = 500KB
Watanagashi = 690KB
Tatarigoroshi = 700KB
Himatsubushi = 320KB
Meakashi = 670KB
Tsumihoroboshi = 730KB
Minagoroshi = 860KB
Matsuribayashi = 1130KB

As you can see, Matsuribayashi is the biggest by a large amount. A good chunk of that comes from the pieces though. No idea how the anime will handle them and I don't think they can completely skip them. Otherwise it would be difficult to stretch this arc for 11 episodes.

[Tengusoldier]

Hi, Its kinda off topic but would anyone tell me how to register on Nico so I can watch the vids?
its all in Japanese so I get lost easily X__x
I wanna watch the end of Minagoroshi there, thanks in advance.

[cereal_killerxx]

I really hope that a sub of the new episode comes out tonight. I've had a really bad day :( Someone stole 60 dollars from me that I was gonna use to go to the anime con in detroit. I don't know what I'm gonna do now because it's in less than a month :(

[EndlessDestiny]

Does anyone know when the sub is due. I'm going crazy waiting for it. (checking animesuki every few minutes) ^^;;

[Miko Miko]

Does anyone know when the sub is due. I'm going crazy waiting for it. (checking animesuki every few minutes) ^^;;

^ same here :(

I really can't wait.. raws frustrate me because its hard to understand :heh:

[Serenity85]

^ same here :(

I really can't wait.. raws frustrate me because its hard to understand :heh:

lol .mkv format files annoy me^^ For what ever reason they don't work for me. I just get audio and no video. This means I have to wait for the .avi's and philosophy was slow this week so agony of waiting hurt^^ (least its out now so I can download when I get home^^)

[cereal_killerxx]

lol .mkv format files annoy me^^ For what ever reason they don't work for me. I just get audio and no video. This means I have to wait for the .avi's and philosophy was slow this week so agony of waiting hurt^^ (least its out now so I can download when I get home^^)

LIES! Lies I tell you!

[Serenity85]

13 my friend, 13 ... I havn't seen 13 yet .... I've tried the .mkv version but I only get audio ... :p

[Matrim]

13 my friend, 13 ... I havn't seen 13 yet .... I've tried the .mkv version but I only get audio ...

Do you use the CCCP? (http://cccp-project.net/)
If not, try it, it should help you with .mkv.

[Serenity85]

this is the first time I've heard of CCCP so I guess I havn'e :P. I'll give it a shot when I get home. Thanks^^

[k//eternal]

LIES! Lies I tell you!

USO DA!!

...Right?

[Miko Miko]

USO DA!!

...Right?

:heh: Kana Kana? :D

[The Bloodlust Kid]

The long wait for this episode has left me in despair!

(oh wait, wrong thread)

But still, the long wait is killing me softly. (pun unintentional)

[shigure asa]

:heh: Kana Kana? :D

nanodesu!! nipa~~ =^^=

[Trogdor Jube]

Watching the OP right after watching dawn of the dead is NOT a good idea.

[theacefrehley]

Kind of off-topic but,
Text size for each game.

Onikakushi = 500KB
Watanagashi = 690KB
Tatarigoroshi = 700KB
Himatsubushi = 320KB
Meakashi = 670KB
Tsumihoroboshi = 730KB
Minagoroshi = 860KB
Matsuribayashi = 1130KB

As you can see, Matsuribayashi is the biggest by a large amount. A good chunk of that comes from the pieces though. No idea how the anime will handle them and I don't think they can completely skip them. Otherwise it would be difficult to stretch this arc for 11 episodes.

How did you get these numbers?
If it is not against the forum rules, how do I get to rip that out of the game?
Or can you send it to me? hehhehe

[SeventhHS]

Kind of off-topic but,


How did you get these numbers?
If it is not against the forum rules, how do I get to rip that out of the game?
Or can you send it to me? hehhehe

I think you can use NSDec (http://nscripter.insani.org/sdk.html).

[EndlessDestiny]

Hi, Its kinda off topic but would anyone tell me how to register on Nico so I can watch the vids?
its all in Japanese so I get lost easily X__x
I wanna watch the end of Minagoroshi there, thanks in advance.


What's the link for this nico site?

[Sterling01]

the .ass (http://rs173.rapidshare.com/files/61696811/Higurashi.no.Naku.Koro.ni.Kai.14.ass) file is out

[kj1980]

What's the link for this nico site?

Added nicovideo to otaku lingo thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1194956&postcount=58)

[ryonyanko]

the .ass (http://rs173.rapidshare.com/files/61696811/Higurashi.no.Naku.Koro.ni.Kai.14.ass) file is out

._. oh but it says its deleted..

[Proto]

Because it wasn't the ep 14 subtitle file. Apart from the fact that it had some coding errors, it pertained to a different chapter. Let's wait for the uploader to distribute the right one :)

[MarthX]

It was episode 5 renamed.

[VRMN]

._. oh but it says its deleted..

;_; I'd really like to understand this episode better than my rudimentary understanding of the language will allow sans subs. :(

[cereal_killerxx]

:( Still no sub out.

[Miko Miko]

:( Still no sub out.

:( damn.. i hope someone subs it.. is anyone going to? I really hope they do BEFORE the next episode airs :rolleyes:

[Proto]

2.3 Do not ask when episodes will be released

You are not permitted to ask when episodes will be released. Shows are released once the fansub group is finished with them. All your whining will do is irritate the group's staff and make them leave the scene. That will mean even slower releases or none at all. Please have some patience.

... and the ep is out anyway. Stop whining :p

[cereal_killerxx]

YAY! It's out XD It's about darn time!

[Matrim]

Oh, great...In the previous episode thread posted that

I hope it won't be some beaten to death cliche trying to justify partially her actions like "her father abused her, so she started to hate the whole worldand it turns out I was quite close with that guess. OK, call me weird but I actually liked Takano more before watching tihs episode. Her motivation is just not really interesting to me any more.

I got really confused by Takano's sudden "jump" from terrified orphan to head of the Hinamizawa research team. So her grandfather and this Takano what-is-his-name evil fellow both researched the Hinamizawa sydrome. But Dr Takano is also referred as Miyo's granfather, surely they are not the same person? And the Tokyo people allowed Takano access to the info and then an important position in the team just like that?

EDIT: Well, things make quite a lot more sense with the sub that was jsut posted, so my disappoitment is not that big after all. Still, the episode feels somewhat rushed.

Oh, well, at least the changes in the opening were pure gold, evil Hanyuu FTW!

[Radikaru]

http://rapidshare.com/files/61846072/Higurashi.no.Naku.Koro.ni.Kai.14.ass.html

The real .ass file.

[Richard 23]

Normally when a series has to transition to backstory and abandon the main characters the audience is familiar with, it's a steep hill to climb. But what an introduction to the arc! Even without K1 and the gang (with Hanyuu, the newly added member, now that she's been introduced to them), I was really sucked in and rewarded by how well they pulled it off.

I am familiar with the TIPS so I knew some bits and pieces of what was in the backstory, but this epidode did a magnificent job of introducing us to Takano's misery, motivation and how she became the bent person that she is. Powerless to powerful and taking her adoptive grandparent's becoming a "God" metaphor way too literally.

People become who they are partly due to what they experienced in their youth. Takano didn't have much of a chance, it would appear, to become anything other than broken.

A QUESTION (I doubt the answer is a spoiler)

I've been meaning to ask, two episodes ago, since last week's finale didn't elaborate: did Irie's "suicide" that happened in the other arcs come as a result of drinking a nice cup of tea? (shown in episode 12) I figured that he was given poison, but we were never told. It would make sense as something similar happened last season to K1 when he overheard at the clinic that he was being served a drugged beverage (after admitting to killing Satoko's horrid uncle). That was when K1 made his wish that Irie would die. I suspected his wish had nothing to do with it of course. There's no reason that I am aware of so far that Irie would knock himself off without any help.

I am so thankful that a sub arrived today. It made my afternoon!

[Solafighter]

Well well.. Good episode. Can´t wait for the next one. :)

[The Bloodlust Kid]

There was a strange vibe I got from this episode, but I'm not sure what it is.

Either way, great episode. A little confusing but I guess I will consult the TIPS page and watch it again.

[Quakis]

Brilliant episode, loli Takano is adorable. I feel sympathy for her childhood, but I don't forgive her for shooting Satako. :p Demon Hanyuu in the opening was unexpected and sent a chill down my back, and this is a first! It's those damn eyes...

[Kristen]

They just couldn't make an episode without blood getting splattered on someone, could they?

Very nice episode. I still don't understand Takano's motives, besides insanity. Perhaps next episode will continue her story?

[Grimkill7]

To think; all the murder, screaming, frustration, bloodshed, fear, violence, paranoia, baseball batting, cleaving, tasering, grandma killing, fingernail violating, sister-down-the-well tossing, ladder shaking, on-his-own-front-lawn Keiichi stabbing, body disposing, bomb setting, hostage taking, crucifying, house destroying, crow swatting, bridge pushing, needle swallowing, hand-in-door slamming, and loli-punching came to be just because
some douchebag bus-driver had a heart attack! :frustrated: I mean, he could have at least tried to pull over or stop.
Anyways, I have to say that I'm relieved. I came into this episode thinking that it might make me sympathize with Takano. Luckily I still hate her as much as I always have :D. Talk about dodging a bullet (pun at Satoko's expense intended :p).

New pics in the OP are awesome. I have to wonder about Hanyuu in the school uniform though. Can everyone see her? If so, I think her horns are gonna give her away. If not, then what's with the uniform?

And another thing. Tomitake introduces himself as the LEADER of the Hinamizawa project. Does this mean that Takano usurps him? Maybe they already explained this and I just wasn't paying enough attention.

[Branduil]

I'm guessing Dr. Takano's strange rant is partially responsible for Miyo's nuttiness.

[Falkor]

I really enjoyed this episode. It pretty much reminded me of how much i liked the first season :heh: [pointing out to the blood, the psychological violence, and the child abuse]

There was something especial about Takano(?)'s dad coughing blood onto her daughter or Takano again biting the finger of her pursuer. This, however, pales to the scenes showing the kids's mistreatment or Takano's struggle and hopelessness through the forest.
I could feel sympathy for her and i would be no less than happy to support her evil plots :p (impatiently waiting for more "higurashi laughs").

This episode surprisingly featured an improved animation quality compared to the last one plus a nice use of colors to set the mood and tension. Solid 10, i guess.

I forgot to check the new op. I didn't realize they changed the sequence because i was listening to the music.

[Tengusoldier]

mehh, I really don't care about her past and its was kinda meaningless anyway IMO.

[Tengusoldier]

What's the link for this nico site?

sorry didn't notice it till now.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm598832

[Cardiac Glycoside]

To think; all the murder, screaming, frustration, bloodshed, fear, violence, paranoia, baseball batting, cleaving, tasering, grandma killing, fingernail violating, sister-down-the-well tossing, ladder shaking, on-his-own-front-lawn Keiichi stabbing, body disposing, bomb setting, hostage taking, crucifying, house destroying, crow swatting, bridge pushing, needle swallowing, hand-in-door slamming, and loli-punching came to be just because
some douchebag bus-driver had a heart attack! :frustrated: I mean, he could have at least tried to pull over or stop.I just laughed so hard.

Butterfly effect, I'd say.
Anyways, I have to say that I'm relieved. I came into this episode thinking that it might make me sympathize with Takano. Luckily I still hate her as much as I always have :D. Talk about dodging a bullet (pun at Satoko's expense intended :p).I had an inkling about what was going to happen in this episode and the next.

"OH, she was raped!"
"Or her parents abused her!"
"Or the kids at school were mean to her!"
"Her puppy died!"

I got one of those half correct.

I hate sob stories. Everyone has one, not everyone massacres multitudes. [Or get into Harvard U].

Evil people thrive on pity.

[Rayneing]

It seems pretty clear to me that she isn't liek that because of her father dying or the abuse at the orphanage, but rather because her grandfather fed her stupid ideas about becoming a god when she was emotionally unstable.

[Jaden]

Interesting episode, certainly not what I expected.

Apparently Takano is how she seemed before: No deep meaning in her evil plots, just general insanity. So her childhood was the worst sort and the only thing that made sense to her was her twisted interpretation of her grandfather's idea of becoming god....but insane is still insane. :p

Orphanage scene was a bit strange...I doubt the other girls who escaped have any kind of role in the story. Maybe those events are why Takano enjoys hunting down the hinamizawa kids in the forest.

And is this the third episode in a row ending in Takano's evil laugh? It's just perfect. Perhaps my favourite evil laugh. :P (The main villain in Madlax still takes the cake).

[LesAmiesNoir]

I'm not certain what to make of this. I agree that Takanos past is rather a "trigger" then an "excuse". It serves as an explanation to her actions so we can understand her, rather then pitty her. I've never felt much or little for Takanos character for some reason. Her past was sad, many people in Higurashi have sad pasts at some level. But it was allot alike to Satokos and I remember Takano praising her for the traps in the previous episode.

A bit oftopic but somehow the love relations in Higurashi got to me ^^;; they don't do in every anime but in this story they did, probably beacuse they were important but far from the main focus. SatoshiShion KeiichiMion for example.
So I'd want to know if what Takano said to Tomitake in the previous epsiode was true or just faking.
I know not most people would be thinking over that but one can always be curious? -_-; *of topic.* This also re raises the question for me if Satoshi will ever return?

[FlareKnight]

No doubt scary Hanyuu during the OP was something surprising. Went back just to make sure I saw that right. Definitely not something you'd want to watch at night.

Maybe if I knew Takano's past before everything started or could separate it then I'd feel some kind of pity. But reflecting on the suffering of Rika and her friends...All I could think during that scene when she called out for death was. Will the lightning just oblige already? One bolt of lightning could've saved a lot of lives here.

Certainly it's a damn sad past that no one would want for another. Probably on par with the suffering of Satoko, but certainly not at Rika's level. At least Takano did a good job of hitting a high as one of the characters I've really wished oblivion upon.

And a valuable lesson is that bus drivers should be screened for heart problems.

[k//eternal]

Why is everyone so scared of Hanyuu's evil eyes? She's adorable even with them...

[champbaka]

Hanyuu's sudden evil eye looks in the OP made me fall off my chair literally so moe~. I do feel a bit of pity for Takano after seeing what she went through during her childhood. Still that doesn't give her the right to gase a whole village and shoot my lolis. Yeah, so she had a hell of a childhood....tell that to Satoko and Edward Elric.

[k//eternal]

It's pretty ironic about Takano, when you think about it... people in Hinamizawa are trapped there by Hinamizawa Syndrome, and Takano is there to turn the place into a living hell--just like the orphanage she was at, where everyone was locked in. She became exactly the thing she hated so much.

That's not exactly success, is it? That's just depressing.

[Klashikari]

Not exactly useful for this kind of episode but meh ^^"
Episode 14: Analysis (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-14-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)

some hightlights about Takano and stuff, though it is still peculiar in her "case".
But as it has been repeated several times, her past has little to do with her crazy massacre, but rather her interaction with Hifumi

[Matrim]

So Takano Miyo's grandfather was called Takano, the same as that evil guy from the orphanage? Now that's a werid coincidence which made for a rather confusing episodes along wih the time jumps. I think it should have been showed how Takano managed to escape from the ophanage and met that "grandfather". As it was, it looked like the grandather died even before her parents.

Anyway, if Takano wanted to much to glorify her granfather, why didn't she go public with the data (excluding her own involvement in convincing the government to intervene, of course) about the Hinamizawa syndrome after the disaster?

[Klashikari]

So Takano Miyo's grandfather was called Takano, the same as that evil guy from the orphanage? Now that's a werid coincidence which made for a rather confusing episodes along wih the time jumps. I think it should have been showed how Takano managed to escape from the ophanage and met that "grandfather". As it was, it looked like the grandather died even before her parents.
No, you didn't understand well.
There isn't any Takano in the orphanage. basically, the child councelor considered that takano Hifumi isn't a viable option, since he is only a acquaintance of Miyoko's father. Thus, they send her in a orphanage instead.

also, this episode alone doesn't show Miyo's past completely. Next episode will add more pieces of her past and everything should make sense.

Anyway, if Takano wanted to much to glorify her granfather, why didn't she go public with the data (excluding her own involvement in convincing the government to intervene, of course) about the Hinamizawa syndrome after the disaster?We don't know, and it is perhaps because the governement tried in any cost to cover the blunder, as they could be accused of researching on bio weapon and the like. That said, the inner party has to admit takano's research in that case anyway.
Getting her name public isn't exactly what she wants, considering the TIPS and what she says.

[k//eternal]

her past has little to do with her crazy massacre, but rather her interaction with Hifumi

I'd say it looks more like a combination. Because she was so beaten down by her past, she clung tightly to the only hope she seemed to have, Dr. Takano. If circumstances had been different, for example, she was sent straight to Dr. Takano instead of going through the orphanage, I don't think he would have been taken quite as seriously--while she'd look up to him, the way things are he's become her savior, not just her guardian.

BTW, it looks like Ryukishi07 has something against child care institutions; they're universally portrayed here as complete idiots.

[Sterling01]

Yeah it's probably a combo of the two

@Klashikari where's your avatar pic from?

[dspr8_rugged]

Klash's avy is from CLANNAD.

Anyway...

As expected, Takano, I mean, Miyoko's past sure was interesting. At least it wasn't exactly a "revenge" thing, but more of fulfilling the wish of someone she cared for. Although I also find Hifumi Takano nuts as he molded what Miyo Takano is now.

And yes, it is nice to see a loli Takano - something that we don't see as much. :heh:

[Vash002]

Why is everyone so scared of Hanyuu's evil eyes? She's adorable even with them...
Who wouldn't be scared of being Geass'ed? :uhoh:
Still yet, she looks cool and cute with that evil look :p

[Eryops]

A QUESTION (I doubt the answer is a spoiler)

I've been meaning to ask, two episodes ago, since last week's finale didn't elaborate: did Irie's "suicide" that happened in the other arcs come as a result of drinking a nice cup of tea? (shown in episode 12) I figured that he was given poison, but we were never told. It would make sense as something similar happened last season to K1 when he overheard at the clinic that he was being served a drugged beverage (after admitting to killing Satoko's horrid uncle). That was when K1 made his wish that Irie would die. I suspected his wish had nothing to do with it of course. There's no reason that I am aware of so far that Irie would knock himself off without any help.

I am so thankful that a sub arrived today. It made my afternoon!
Personally I think that the Yamainu simply held him and injected him with something. He was fully lucid when Okonogi's subordinates arrived and it would have been easy for them to overpower him.

It makes sense for Takano to fake Irie's suicide in each arc. Irie is nominally the head of the operation, which means he does technically have the power to stop her. Plus, I'm guessing that Takano frames him for Rika's murder and if he's dead he has no way of defending himself from such accusations.

[Kryptik]

It seems pretty clear to me that she isn't liek that because of her father dying or the abuse at the orphanage, but rather because her grandfather fed her stupid ideas about becoming a god when she was emotionally unstable.

It seems like a combination of that as well as her own rage at God for putting her through her hell. The idea playing god is seductive, especially when one has a grudge against God as well.

It's pretty ironic about Takano, when you think about it... people in Hinamizawa are trapped there by Hinamizawa Syndrome, and Takano is there to turn the place into a living hell--just like the orphanage she was at, where everyone was locked in. She became exactly the thing she hated so much.

That's not exactly success, is it? That's just depressing.

It's what's called 'coming full circle'. It's also a common psychological thing, I think. Like how kids who were abused by their parents tend to grow up with a greater tendency to do the same to their kids. Sad, really.

Though in Takano's case, I think it's a bit more tragic and batcrap insane, since she's doing this out of her own will, rather than a subconscious psychological thing.

[Eric the Grey]

Heh. I must be one of the only people watching this series who regularly skips both the openings and endings.

While reading through this thread, I had to go back and pull the episode out of my recycle bin to rewatch the opening to see the changes, and then DO IT AGAIN to see the bit after the credits. I had given up on anything after the ending credits a while ago. :heh:

Oh well.


:cool: Eric the Grey

[Alucard-sama]

Heh. I must be one of the only people watching this series who regularly skips both the openings and endings.

While reading through this thread, I had to go back and pull the episode out of my recycle bin to rewatch the opening to see the changes, and then DO IT AGAIN to see the bit after the credits. I had given up on anything after the ending credits a while ago. :heh:

Oh well.


:cool: Eric the Grey

I too skip it:heh:...The episode was good:D,but...I think there will'be more fun(i mean more blood:cool:)

Sorry,for my english:heh:

[Guido]

The episode was well done as a precursor to Matsuribayashi, pretty close to the original. As others has said, I'm surprised (and overjoyed) that they left the okosama-lunch flag scene intact, with a nice 8mm effect to boot.

But the real sauce goes to the OP. Brilliant, and one of the best OP change that I have seen in a while. Sure it is slight change, but for those who have played the game it could not have been better than that.

1. Hanyuu's spiritual awakening - kick ass. And judging by the previews, I can't wait for the semi-showdown between Hanyuu and Miyo at the shrine.

2. Rika waving....to Hanyuu! Perfect and great scene to show that Hanyuu is not an observer anymore; that she has finally made her decision to physically join the gang. And her school uniform is so moe~.

Those minor changes to the opening gave me such an impact, that I am burning as well with Hanyuu's dressed in her new school uniform.

What it is important is that audience has already grasped that Hanyuu chose to become a player in the Hinamizawa scenario, therefore, we can hope that she'll do something for a change.

Perhaps the black-eyes Hanyuu shot in the OP is an indicator that she's going to do something?


Guaranteed the hell stirring up at the orphanage has made this episode a perfect choice for me to watch again in the advent of the Halloween season.

Miyoko had it all, and how real (because it is) that just an accident gave her fate a 180 degrees twist turn.

No wonder how imperially pissed was Miyoko-chan at kami-sama for taking her beloved parents from her.

She desired to be killed so won't be enduring the misery any longer, and we have some nice shots switching back with the adult Takano getting the green lights from the higher-ups to take charge of the Hinamizawa operation.

And how about nice touch with the lunch flag delving on her memories in 8mm camera flashback style.

I can't wait for the next week episode so that they can show how Miyoko-chan makes her transition into Takano Miyo.

Takano's evil laughter is her staple. Soon, Takano is going to wash away the black history of her miserable past and what they did to her oji-sama.

[-MotokoAoyama-]

The reason for the black eyed hanyuu will probably be revealed in the next episode. The preview on the official website showed hanyuu with similar eyes.

[kingsky123]

hanyuu is like... too cute and small to be scary =/. should make her change appearance totally instead of just eyes

[Sinestra]

Besides the cold bloody killer and godcomplex i actually felt a little bad for Takano seeing how hard of a time she had while growing up. But seriously is that any excuse to kill over 2000 people and children. Oh well at least now we have some back story and look at why she is so emotinally unstable. If only she knew the truth i think her head would explode. Only time will tell if Rika retains her memories from the previous ark along with the rest of gang. This could be one of the most interesting arcs yet.

[Sterling01]

Why does everybody think that takano has a god complex

[Rayneing]

Uh... because she does?

If someone believes they can become a god, I would think they have a god complex.

[Sterling01]

She doesn't think she can become a god in literal sense. She thinks she can become one metaphorically which is based on being remembered after death

[Sinestra]

She doesn't think she can become a god in literal sense. She thinks she can become one metaphorically which is based on being remembered after death

your correct but that is still called a god complex. Even if you think it metaphorically to put your self on equal footing with a god and the way she has played with everyones lives as she sees fit she is acting like a god but in this case its the literal sense.

[MezzoDragon]

After watching the preview with subtitles, it seems Rika still has some childish innocence. Hanyuu, being a LOT older, must've realized what Rika was watching. Oy. I wonder what other videos Rika watched.

[Eryops]

Uh... because she does?

If someone believes they can become a god, I would think they have a god complex.
Would you prefer for us to call her a sadistic megalomaniac instead? :)

[Sterling01]

Yes that suits Miyoko-chan much better

[Eryops]

After watching the preview with subtitles, it seems Rika still has some childish innocence. Hanyuu, being a LOT older, must've realized what Rika was watching. Oy. I wonder what other videos Rika watched.
I wouldn't take these previews very seriously if I were you. After all, based on them we'd have to conclude that Rika likes Keiichi/Oishi yaoi. :)

Rika must know about the birds and the bees; after all in one of the Tips she mentions that Mion had threatened to sell her to a brothel for not returning some money she had borrowed. It seems unlikely that she wouldn't know what function they serve.

[Mew 2]

Again something new in op. I like it this way. Oh, well the 14th episode was qite good. Finally, a flashback in Takanos past. It will continue also in ep 15. I´ts a lot of information all of a sudden, despite that we should know the majority from the Minagoroshi-hen. Speaking of that I hope Matsuribyashi-hen will not disapoint me like the previous arc. But the flsahback begining is a real good start.

[KaneDragon]

Did I miss something? That guy caught Takano, and she bit his finger (hard!)... and then next thing we know she's by herself again and running off?

[Davidj]

Did I miss something? That guy caught Takano, and she bit his finger (hard!)... and then next thing we know she's by herself again and running off?

It's just annoyingly discontinuous is all.

[DingoEnderZOE2]

^You mean we don't find out how she managed to get away???

[theused69]

Yeah, that part made me confused, like she was saved by timeskips or something? LOL