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Pellissier
2007-10-10, 05:04
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Hmm... It seems like the storyline is going to deviate a lot from the novels/manga... Considering that the PS2/DS game is considered canonical in the anime version of SnS
And I kinda fear for that it may not go well though.
Anyhow... Shanites...? Sounds weird.
Hmm... It seems like the storyline is going to deviate a lot from the novels/manga... Considering that the PS2/DS game is considered canonical in the anime version of SnS
I wouldn't really call adding one little arc of the game to the anime series "deviating a lot". :heh: It's still too early to make such assumptions, just relax. :)
serenade_beta
2007-10-10, 23:54
From the character chart:
Above Chigusa is most likely Yuuji's dad.
The missing mystes might be Tenmoku Ikko (whatever it's called)
Not sure about the missing Misaki High School person
One of the Denizens/Tomogara is that green-haired women (Pheles?)
That's all I can guess for now.
By the way, what is 戯睡郷 (Mea/Mare's title)?
From the character chart:
Above Chigusa is most likely Yuuji's dad.
The missing mystes might be Tenmoku Ikko (whatever it's called)
Not sure about the missing Misaki High School person
One of the Denizens/Tomogara is that green-haired women (Pheles?)
That's all I can guess for now.
By the way, what is 戯睡郷 (Mea/Mare's title)?
chart just for those who missed it: http://www.shakugan.com/chara/index.html
yeah, 戯睡郷 (gisuikyou) is her title. something like "the home of the frolicking sleep/death"...I dunno.
-10 bucks says Tenmoku Ikko isn't the one to go above Yuji. hasn't been mentioned in ages.
-you're right, dad probably goes above yuji's mom.
-then again, think the green haired girl has a good chance to take the spot above yuji's mom, seeing as how there's a connection between her and Wilhelmina in the opening, making that the best spot for arrow placement.
-actually seems to be a lot of open slots for crimson denizens and flame hazes now that I think about it. (well, considering that this is supposed to be a chart for major characters) maybe they'll be doing one of the side stories after all.
HayashiTakara
2007-10-11, 01:22
She's Yuji's "past-life" lover, Filleth... I guess its more appropriate to call her the Reiji Meigo's Johann's lover... meh their one in the same
She's Yuji's "past-life" lover, Filleth... I guess its more appropriate to call her the Reiji Meigo's Johann's lover... meh their one in the same
Pheles makes more sense than "Filleth", it being from the Greek for "lover" (Philos).
HayashiTakara
2007-10-11, 01:33
^ well you get the picture XP
I'm guessing that the person above Chigusa is Yuji's dad also.
The Mystes above Yuji could be Johan himself.
Ashlay: I read some speculations elsewhere that they may be doing Margery's side story chapter in the S novel, so I guess we may get some odd characters here and there.
Pheles makes more sense than "Filleth", it being from the Greek for "lover" (Philos).
Her name's come from the devil "Mephistopheles" , \not the word "philos"
Her name's come from the devil "Mephistopheles" , \not the word "philos"
yeah, as a rule all characters from Guze take the names of demons and angels from mythology.
in fact only one exception really comes to mind.
Ashlay: I read some speculations elsewhere that they may be doing Margery's side story chapter in the S novel, so I guess we may get some odd characters here and there.
that would probably be a good choice for the anime. unlike Shana and Wilhelmina, Margery never did get much flashback in the 1st season.
what would the other choices be? 00, 10, and 15?
Ten would be awesome but I don't know would they be incorporating it since there's been zero hints of it so far. The Cinderella side story would be pretty cute.
Her name's come from the devil "Mephistopheles" , \not the word "philos"
I wasn't denying that, actually. Jeffrey Russell Burton speculated that "Mephistophiles" came from the Greek "Me" (not), "Phos" (light) and "Philos" (lover). Being reduced to just "Philos" (Pheles) makes the name just mean "lover", which relates to her character more than the full name.
I know it's a rule they're all named after creatures and beings of myth.
Mai Kawasumi
2007-10-11, 18:28
It seems that happen in the... 13 novel?... you know, when he confessed to Yoshida... she answer him back?
It seems that happen in the... 13 novel?... you know, when he confessed to Yoshida... she answer him back?
volume 14. and he gets turned down.
seems Yoshida only has eyes for Yuji. though who knows, if Yuji dies or goes off with Shana in the end (whenever that may be), maybe poor Ike will have a chance.
except for the fact he's dead. :\
SoldierOfDarkness
2007-10-11, 19:39
volume 14. and he gets turned down.
seems Yoshida only has eyes for Yuji. though who knows, if Yuji dies or goes off with Shana in the end (whenever that may be), maybe poor Ike will have a chance.
except for the fact he's dead. :\
OUch
Alas, poor Ike, I knew him well Yuji.
How does he die? Did his existance get eaten? I mean poor guy, rejected and killed. That girl is totally into Yuji
OUch
Alas, poor Ike, I knew him well Yuji.
How does he die? Did his existance get eaten? I mean poor guy, rejected and killed. That girl is totally into Yuji
think he may have been eaten as early as volume 4. (around the twins arc) apparently this had been a big theory among Japanese fans (since he got ignored a lot, not even appearing in a number of the novels)
he's revealed to have been a torch for some time in volume 13, confesses to Yoshida in 14, and then proceeds to 'die'. It actually sounds rather romantic in a sad sort of way, since it seems to me his desire to confess to Yoshida was the one thing stopping him from fizzling out.
well, despite the fact SnS doesn't work this way at all (that which is lost can never be regained...) Hirai finally got to be with him again. ;_;
Neki Ecko
2007-10-11, 20:17
think he may have been eaten as early as volume 4. (around the twins arc) apparently this had been a big theory among Japanese fans (since he got ignored a lot, not even appearing in a number of the novels)
he's revealed to have been a torch for some time in volume 13, confesses to Yoshida in 14, and then proceeds to 'die'. It actually sounds rather romantic in a sad sort of way, since it seems to me his desire to confess to Yoshida was the one thing stopping him from fizzling out.
well, despite the fact SnS doesn't work this way at all (that which is lost can never be regained...) Hirai finally got to be with him again. ;_;
Since SnS 2 is going off the novel alittle, do yall think that
He will suffer the same fate as well? Plus I will love to see the expression off of Shana and Yoshida's face when they found out about Yuji's evil side.
Since SnS 2 is going off the novel alittle, do yall think that
He will suffer the same fate as well? Plus I will love to see the expression off of Shana and Yoshida's face when they found out about Yuji's evil side.
well, since Yashichiro Takahashi was apparently involved this time around and episode 2 has already made a step towards making the anime continuity closer to the novels, I'm getting the feeling this season is going to be much more in line with them.
though seeing as how the whole Snake storyline is still going on in the novels, I'm somewhat worried they're going to cut that and put in another ending instead. Still, I REALLY hope they've gotten some advanced info from Takahashi and go with that little plot twist, since it really is a brilliant in its own way.
actually, speaking of that, I myself am somewhat interested in what Shana and Yoshida's reactions will be (well, maybe just Shana's) since they still have no idea what happened to Yuji in the novels...
serenade_beta
2007-10-11, 20:31
volume 14. and he gets turned down.
seems Yoshida only has eyes for Yuji. though who knows, if Yuji dies or goes off with Shana in the end (whenever that may be), maybe poor Ike will have a chance.
except for the fact he's dead. :\
*GANN!* (Dai/Big Shock) :twitch:
Just to make sure, Ike is the only one dead right? Basically, Keisaku, Eita, and Matake are still alive right?
Everyone forgot about Ike, right?...
*GANN!* (Dai/Big Shock) :twitch:
Just to make sure, Ike is the only one dead right? Basically, Keisaku, Eita, and Matake are still alive right?
Everyone forgot about Ike, right?...
they're all alive as of volume 14. god knows what will happen in 16 though.
Yoshida, Shana, and Yuji (uhhh....) should remember him. (not like that helps much. shana is used to people disappearing and was never really friends with Ike, both the girls are more worried about Yuji right now, and Yuji is well...not in the best position to be thinking about Ike.) But yeah, like all torches, Ike is forgotten by everyone else.
serenade_beta
2007-10-12, 00:02
they're all alive as of volume 14. god knows what will happen in 16 though.
Yoshida, Shana, and Yuji (uhhh....) should remember him. (not like that helps much. shana is used to people disappearing and was never really friends with Ike, both the girls are more worried about Yuji right now, and Yuji is well...not in the best position to be thinking about Ike.) But yeah, like all torches, Ike is forgotten by everyone else.
Poor, poor Ike. He never had much of a role in the story, but it is still sad.
To be forgotten is much more cruel than to simply die.
Yukari is waiting for you, Ike! *sniff*
Malintex_Terek
2007-10-12, 00:33
How much novel material was written in-between the conclusion of Shana season one and the actual animation of season II? Depending on this time difference, we might have a cliff-hanger ending or a complete one like for the first season.
How much novel material was written in-between the conclusion of Shana season one and the actual animation of season II? Depending on this time difference, we might have a cliff-hanger ending or a complete one like for the first season.
I don't know, when did they start animating s2?
15 was released in august
16 comes out in november
one would assume 17 is out around january.
check the novel topic for a better explanation of this, but the basic jist of one theory is:
if the anime follows the events of volume 14, then perhaps the novels will end that entire storyline (and maybe the series) in 17, thus having the anime and novels come out with the same endings at roughly the same time.
but that's just a theory.
FlameSparkZ
2007-10-12, 16:33
What about Silver?
The SnSII OP suggests it'll appear, what does the novel say? :heh:
I also find it odd that in season 1's OP and S2's, we see Sydonay wielding a spear, but so far, he's only fought through shape-shifting :uhoh:
What's up with that? :eyebrow:
alvinkhorfire
2007-10-12, 18:58
they're all alive as of volume 14. god knows what will happen in 16 though.
Yoshida, Shana, and Yuji (uhhh....) should remember him. (not like that helps much. shana is used to people disappearing and was never really friends with Ike, both the girls are more worried about Yuji right now, and Yuji is well...not in the best position to be thinking about Ike.) But yeah, like all torches, Ike is forgotten by everyone else.
How did Ike die? He must have been exposed to some sort of danger for him to be dead, right?
What about Silver?
The SnSII OP suggests it'll appear, what does the novel say? :heh:
I also find it odd that in season 1's OP and S2's, we see Sydonay wielding a spear, but so far, he's only fought through shape-shifting :uhoh:
What's up with that? :eyebrow:
apparently nothing. 0_o I don't know if they're going to explain of this in 16, but basically silver is still the most random character in this entire story.
he destroys margery's life, he infects the Reiji Maigo with what will eventually release the Snake (under the pretenses of being hired to kill pheles, but that of course was never the goal), and apparently after that he's dead, since last we saw of him part of his armor's helmet and arm were stuck inside the reiji maigo. and apparently from what Margery saw, there's like hundreds of eyes in his head and insects crawling out from his legs. (which aren't there when it's in the RM apparently, so I dunno, there's always the possibility he's...er, it's still out there somewhere...)
my offhand thought is that,
-seeing as how Yuji apparently ended up with the silver flame (suggesting silver got himself killed/absorbed infecting the Reiji Maigo)
-the fact that SotF Yuji's black flame creates a silver shadow
-that Silver was carrying around Bal Masque Hougu (one of which was apparently used to infect the reiji maigo)
-and Silver didn't really seem to have any real personality,
that Silver as we know him is just some sort of incomplete possession by the Snake of a random person (Bal Masque tomogara, torch, etc)
as for sydonay, who knows? it's really up to budget and time constraints (less frames and storyboarding for a giant monster vs. a weapon sequence -_-) but maybe he'll be seen using it this season.
How did Ike die? He must have been exposed to some sort of danger for him to be dead, right?
nope, I didn't see any particular time when it happened or any particular tomogara who did it.
you know that the various denziens who have been coming for Shana or the Reiji Maigo consume people's existence. they never say who ate Yuji after all. Apparently Ike really is much the same.
Klashikari
2007-10-17, 05:41
speaking of Ike...
I dunno if it was on purpose, but Shana-tan was ranting about Ike when he was playing some arcade thing...
The thing is she blatantly says he was a torch :heh:
I dunno how serious it might be, but considering the lack of coverage for "How Yuuji turned into a torch", it might be the same for Ike.
However, there is on inconsistency: why Yuuji never saw ike's flame...?
seriously, the anime is giving many hints about the tome 14, so... we might have a uber marathon about that crazy arc ^^"
alvinkhorfire
2007-10-17, 19:35
speaking of Ike...
I dunno if it was on purpose, but Shana-tan was ranting about Ike when he was playing some arcade thing...
The thing is she blatantly says he was a torch :heh:
I dunno how serious it might be, but considering the lack of coverage for "How Yuuji turned into a torch", it might be the same for Ike.
However, there is on inconsistency: why Yuuji never saw ike's flame...?
Allow me to quote answer from Kunio-Kun, the translator from Static-Subs.
Static-Subs Website (http://forum.staticsubs.org/index.php?topic=1554.msg19407#msg19407)
Because Ike appears so rarely throughout the show and doesn’t get involved with the Guze deal unlike all the other main sub-characters. While he isn’t a true Torch, he is called a Torch for the above reason by fans throughout Japanese forums that talk about Shakugan no Shana series.
Allow me to quote answer from Kunio-Kun, the translator from Static-Subs.
Static-Subs Website (http://forum.staticsubs.org/index.php?topic=1554.msg19407#msg19407)
Because Ike appears so rarely throughout the show and doesn’t get involved with the Guze deal unlike all the other main sub-characters. While he isn’t a true Torch, he is called a Torch for the above reason by fans throughout Japanese forums that talk about Shakugan no Shana series.
feels like almost all anime production teams watch 2chan/2ch/etc. nowadays. 0_o
PhantomX
2007-10-17, 20:07
This thread doesn't spoil me enough :(
This thread doesn't spoil me enough :(
:heh: well, it's not that easy.
even if you know what happens in the novels, it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen in the anime. (especially with the anime's current track record) And its not like we have next month's magazine scans yet, so there's no way to tell what the next few episodes will be about or what they're called, and thus no way to tell where things are going. Not to mention there's barely anything to go off in the show either; can't speculate on much when they've only started 1 real mystery plotline.
nothing to do but sit, watch, and hope it turns out to be interesting. :uhoh:
This just in, Konoe arc ends at ep 7. Ep 8 begins a new arc centring around Margery.
Summaries from Newtype- http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/detail0031091107.html
minhtam1638
2007-11-09, 05:30
Exactly what are they doing with Margery? I don't think it's the Silver flame.
This just in, Konoe arc ends at ep 7. Ep 8 begins a new arc centring around Margery.
Summaries from Newtype- http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/detail0031091107.html
well, didn't really sound like Konoe was going anywhere though (unless she's the tomogara in 8...)
hmm, so an Ike episode, a Satou episode, a Margery flashback and a training episode (maybe Shana and Yuji can get trapped together in the fuzetzu? :eyespin:)
should be nice to see Yuji slowly rising in usefulness as well.
serenade_beta
2007-11-09, 17:53
This just in, Konoe arc ends at ep 7. Ep 8 begins a new arc centring around Margery.
Summaries from Newtype- http://pc.webnt.jp/anime/detail0031091107.html
Not really. As long as she stays around, it won't. They're simply focusing on other characters. And it looks like she'll stay a while...
DeotoxSlayer
2007-11-09, 21:42
argh volume 16 comes out tommorow...... to all the people that buy the volume after your done the volume could you give me an estimate of how many more volumes you think'll be in the series, and some spoilers, cause I can't get the volume......
changeup
2007-12-12, 14:14
It turns out that Yuuji is the final boss, and he is himself (not replaced by another personality I mean), knowing everything he did with Shana with the same feeling. He just recalled his old self, as the leader of Bal Masque.
In this volume Yuuji rejected Kazumi's love, and asked Shana to be his partner and comrade. His purpose, according to his own words, is to reveal the truth to the humans therefore world could be created where tomogara and human can coexist in a way other than being predators and preys. Shana rejected this and fought with him. From what the novel described, Yuuji defeated Shana soundly and captured her.
I believe there will be one, at most two more volumes before this story arc ends. I think Yuuji and Shana will be togeter after all.
Just a bit of speculation on what J.C. staff will do...
Pheles arc from episode 12-15
New OP/ED for episode 16 and on
16 until like 20 will be more boring filler (Or, maybe Margery vs. Yuji?)
21-24 will resolve the Konoe issue, big battle with Bal Masque, etc.
That would finish out a terrible 2nd season, in my opinion. But who knows, maybe they'll make a good upswing at the end?
Just a bit of speculation on what J.C. staff will do...
Pheles arc from episode 12-15
New OP/ED for episode 16 and on
16 until like 20 will be more boring filler
21-24 will resolve the Konoe issue, big battle with Bal Masque, etc.
That would finish out a terrible 2nd season, in my opinion. But who knows, maybe they'll make a good upswing at the end?
... why do I get the feeling that not a single bit of your speculation is going to be true?
... why do I get the feeling that not a single bit of your speculation is going to be true?
Because I'm usually so far off the mark on my random speculation that it gets swamped. :heh:
Still, I have a feeling they're going to have a new OP soon, especially if they are planning on doing a tomogara centered arc sometime after Pheles.
yeah, I'm sure they'll throw Sabrac into the later season. (unlimited blade works vs. unlimited ribbon works... >_>) I mean they've got 5 tomogara slots open and 13 episodes left, there's plenty of fights for them to do.
too bad the first half made so many people unhappy.
SoldierOfDarkness
2007-12-17, 15:59
yeah, I'm sure they'll throw Sabrac into the later season. (unlimited blade works vs. unlimited ribbon works... >_>) I mean they've got 5 tomogara slots open and 13 episodes left, there's plenty of fights for them to do.
too bad the first half made so many people unhappy.
Why did they drag it out for this long?:eyebrow:
Why did they drag it out for this long?:eyebrow:
because they basically made up an ending last season and now the continuity is all screwed up. Wilhelmina was supposed to be trying to kill Yuji for like episodes 3-7 (or something like that. I dunno, it would have been an arc) :rolleyes:
anyway, it basically seems like they didn't really know what to keep and what to drop, so they just kinda went with school material and putting in the Konoe character to try and straighten things out till they got to Pheles. but now that we're here I have a hunch things will go to something along the lines of season 1, fights with school episodes inbetween. (then again maybe not >:3 )
alvinkhorfire
2008-01-03, 01:50
anyway, it basically seems like they didn't really know what to keep and what to drop, so they just kinda went with school material and putting in the Konoe character to try and straighten things out till they got to Pheles. but now that we're here I have a hunch things will go to something along the lines of season 1, fights with school episodes inbetween. (then again maybe not >:3 )
So, what is the purpose of putting in Konoe arc and what mistake they can overcome with this arc?
Another question is about the anime episode 13 of season 2 when Marjorie find out about Yuji's silver flame. This fact would not have happened if Yuji do not cast his silver fuzetsu. Am I right about this? If he let Shana, Wilhemina or Marjorie cast their own fuzetsu, Marjorie will not find out about it. I guess that he is too eager to save other schoolmates, even though it may put his life in danger.
minhtam1638
2008-01-03, 04:26
So, what is the purpose of putting in Konoe arc and what mistake they can overcome with this arc?
Another question is about the anime episode 13 of season 2 when Marjorie find out about Yuji's silver flame. This fact would not have happened if Yuji do not cast his silver fuzetsu. Am I right about this? If he let Shana, Wilhemina or Marjorie cast their own fuzetsu, Marjorie will not find out about it. I guess that he is too eager to save other schoolmates, even though it may put his life in danger.
Yep. That's Yuji alright.
I believe that the purpose of putting in a Fumina Konoe arc is to fill up the areas for the 24 episode SnS II season. Knowing that some more novel events would not fit in a 24 episode season with the Pheles arc, even with the omission of the Fumina arc, J.C. Staff has probably decided to use Fumina Konoe as an anime original arc, both at the beginning and the end. It's also possible that there may be a Shana III.
teachopvutru
2008-01-03, 04:38
Yep. That's Yuji alright.
I believe that the purpose of putting in a Fumina Konoe arc is to fill up the areas for the 24 episode SnS II season. Knowing that some more novel events would not fit in a 24 episode season with the Pheles arc, even with the omission of the Fumina arc, J.C. Staff has probably decided to use Fumina Konoe as an anime original arc, both at the beginning and the end. It's also possible that there may be a Shana III.
I hope for both anime original arc (but it must be good) and Shana III
But err.. (after that Zero madness), I just hope J.C. Staff won't mess it up. Maybe I'm still too paranoid, though. :(
alvinkhorfire
2008-01-04, 18:06
I believe that the purpose of putting in a Fumina Konoe arc is to fill up the areas for the 24 episode SnS II season. Knowing that some more novel events would not fit in a 24 episode season with the Pheles arc, even with the omission of the Fumina arc, J.C. Staff has probably decided to use Fumina Konoe as an anime original arc, both at the beginning and the end. It's also possible that there may be a Shana III.
Thanks for the explaination. Can we put up a list of the mistake J. C. Staff does in season 1 and their solution they implement in season 2? Their mistake is that they miss out certain events that are crucial to the storyline. It is not like I am criticizing them. In fact, we have to be thankful to J.C. Staff for bringing Shakugan no Shana to us. I just want to understand how they arrange storyline in season 2 to overcome their mistake in season 1. I realized that there is a discussion about this thing in other posts, but hopefully we can put here a quick summary.
Novel: During the arrival of incest twin, Reiji Maigo absorbs Sydonay's severed arm, thereby increase Yuji's power of existence greatly.
Anime: The synchronization of Yuji with Hecate increases his power of existence.
Is any more that I miss? Hopefully, you all can add in to the list.
minhtam1638
2008-01-04, 20:22
Thanks for the explaination. Can we put up a list of the mistake J. C. Staff does in season 1 and their solution they implement in season 2? It is not like I am criticizing them. In fact, we have to be thankful to J.C. Staff for bringing Shakugan no Shana to us. I just want to understand how they arrange storyline in season 2 to overcome their mistake in season 1. I realized that there is a discussion about this thing in other posts, but hopefully we can put here a quick summary.
Novel: During the arrival of incest twin, Reiji Maigo absorbs Sydonay's severed arm, thereby increase Yuji's power of existence greatly.
Anime: The synchronization of Yuji with Hecate increases his power of existence.
Is any more that I miss? Hopefully, you all can add in to the list.
I don't think the anime original ending in season 1 was a mistake at all. I think that J.C. Staff was playing conservative, since they don't know how the TV ratings would go and how many viewers would actually be interested (other than the novel community), so they went with the anime original. If there was a mistake, it was that Shakuan no Shana I was too successful that J.C. Staff decided to make a season II.
I mean, you shouldn't expect anything when it's your first time doing it.
Novel: During the arrival of incest twin, Reiji Maigo absorbs Sydonay's severed arm, thereby increase Yuji's power of existence greatly.
Anime: The synchronization of Yuji with Hecate increases his power of existence.
Is any more that I miss? Hopefully, you all can add in to the list.
Well, I guess you could count the fact that the revelation that the Reiji Maigo has a defensive mechanism (which severed Sydonay's arm) was shown to viewers of the anime when Mare tried to extract it out of Yuji in episode 2 of season 2.
serenade_beta
2008-01-27, 04:30
Well, the characters chart on the official website has been filled a bit now.
Johann appears where the empty mystes spot is and Pheles fills up the last Denizen of the Crimson World slot.
It seems that there will be no more independent weaklings and the Bal Masque is left.
There are still five slots. Just who could they be? I can't pull out five Denizens out of my head...
The slot besides Dantalion seems to for the Snake, and one of the slots at the bottom (for followers) is Fecor.
Maybe Sabrac?
There are still five slots. Just who could they be? I can't pull out five Denizens out of my head...
The slot besides Dantalion seems to for the Snake, and one of the slots at the bottom (for followers) is Fecor.
Maybe Sabrac?
One of those four at the bottom could also be that old looking fellow you see in the 14th novel. If I remember correctly, someone said the Snake killed / ate him?
One of those four at the bottom could also be that old looking fellow you see in the 14th novel. If I remember correctly, someone said the Snake killed / ate him?
old priest=zarovee, yuji killed him not snake
SnH at the top
fecor, sabrac, zarovee and bifrons at the bottom i would guess
alvinkhorfire
2008-02-02, 16:18
The animation in second OP covers events up to volume 14. So, there is slim chance that they will animate events from Volume 10 and Volume 15 in season 2. Perhaps as other have already said, they can animate it in OVA. Am I right about this?
Sterling01
2008-02-02, 16:21
The animation in second OP covers events up to volume 14. So, there is slim chance that they will animate events from Volume 10 and Volume 15 in season 2. Perhaps as other have already said, they can animate it in OVA. Am I right about this?
The op actualy shows Yuji's Black flames so they might even go into vol 16
minhtam1638
2008-02-05, 09:58
The op actualy shows Yuji's Black flames so they might even go into vol 16
And beyond, it seems.
lua thien
2008-02-07, 12:10
Since the Season 1 showed that Hecate could synchronize with Yuji that easily, would it be possible that the season 2 would have Yuji being forced to allow the Snake of the Festival to merge with him?
Sterling01
2008-02-07, 18:31
Since the Season 1 showed that Hecate could synchronize with Yuji that easily, would it be possible that the season 2 would have Yuji being forced to allow the Snake of the Festival to merge with him?
Nope, Yuji turns to the "Dark" Side of his own free will. He was not forced at all. SotF even said to Yuji in one of their conversations "I'm only here because you want/allowed me to be here"
Yuji Wants power and that's what SotF gave him
lua thien
2008-02-07, 19:06
Nope, Yuji turns to the "Dark" Side of his own free will. He was not forced at all. SotF even said to Yuji in one of their conversations "I'm only here because you want/allowed me to be here"
Yuji Wants power and that's what SotF gave him
In the novels, it was free will. So the anime is going to follow the same thing?
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-07, 19:07
Nope, Yuji turns to the "Dark" Side of his own free will. He was not forced at all. SotF even said to Yuji in one of their conversations "I'm only here because you want/allowed me to be here"
Yuji Wants power and that's what SotF gave him
...Your making Yuji sound like Darth Vader
In the novels, it was free will. So the anime is going to follow the same thing?
Unlikely since it looks like Bel Peol's chains grappling Yoshida close to death might have forced Yuji to surrender in order for the Ceremonial Snake of the Festival to merge with him.
Then Yoshida might be blamed for Yuji's fall that she might throw her life away out of guilt in order to summon Pheles.
Sterling01
2008-02-07, 19:29
Unlikely since it looks like Bel Peol's chains grappling Yoshida close to death might have forced Yuji to surrender in order for the Ceremonial Snake of the Festival to merge with him.
Then Yoshida might be blamed for Yuji's fall that she might throw her life away out of guilt in order to summon Pheles.
But the merging doesn't work that way. As Bal Masqué thought that Snake of the Festival was going to use Sliver as a body.
Don't use the OP to judge how events are doing to happen
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-07, 19:33
Listen to Sterling she/he(I don't know your gender:heh::heh::heh:) Is a novel reader.
Also The kind of merger, that Sairei no Hebi, and Yjui have, and the type that Yuji, and Hecte have are different. Hecate was just taking his memories. Sairei no Hebi need to inhabit, and control Yuji's body(or at least that was what was intended, but Sairei no hebi let Yuji keep control of his body, and he let Yuji have his powers.)
But the merging doesn't work that way. As Bal Masqué thought that Snake of the Festival was going to use Sliver as a body.
Don't use the OP to judge how events are doing to happen
Merging relies a lot on free will but it also can be done with the person in a comatose state since there's no resistence.
Unless J.C. rushes this, it's likely that the OP is valid enough.
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-07, 19:37
Merging relies a lot on free will but it also can be done with the person in a comatose state since there's no resistence.
Unless J.C. rushes this, it's likely that the OP is valid enough.
You don't even know the situation behind Yoshida being in chains. It could just be in there, and never actually happen, the hade the Ike Kazumi confession in the first OP, and it never happened, and in SnS 1 they had Syadonay and Shana fighting, but that never happened either.
Sterling01
2008-02-07, 19:44
Listen to Sterling she/he(I don't know your gender:heh::heh::heh:) Is a novel reader.
I'm a He
Merging relies a lot on free will but it also can be done with the person in a comatose state since there's no resistence.
.
I don't even get the point your trying to make :heh::heh:
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-07, 19:51
I'm a He
I don't even get the point your trying to make :heh::heh:
Okay your a guy sorry bout that it's hard to tell since were talking over forums, and all, though now i'm completly sur your a guy because I checked your profile, and it said "Rosario + Vampire (Fuck Yeah, Tits!!)" in your Currently watching list.:D
Also for DX HBK there would be no real point in trapping Kazumi, and forcing Yuji to merg with Sairei no Hebi because after their merger Yuji is still in control of their body, the only difference is that he turns in to a Guze no Ou, he has all of Sairei no Hebi's powers, he has a extremely huge amount of PoE, and he's the most powerful guze no Ou on earth:D:D:D
Also in the novel Yuji wants to merge with Sairei no hebi, because he agree's with Sairei no hebi's plans, and ideals, and wants to bring them about because they benifit him, Shana, and the rest of the world. well that is if his plans work, if they fail then the earth goes poof.
Also for DX HBK there would be no real point in trapping Kazumi, and forcing Yuji to merg with Sairei no Hebi because after their merger Yuji is still in control of their body, the only difference is that he turns in to a Guze no Ou, he has all of Sairei no Hebi's powers, he has a extremely huge amount of PoE, and he's the most powerful guze no Ou on earth:D:D:D
Also in the novel Yuji wants to merge with Sairei no hebi, because he agree's with Sairei no hebi's plans, and ideals, and wants to bring them about because they benifit him, Shana, and the rest of the world. well that is if his plans work, if they fail then the earth goes poof.
I guess so.
I just thought that Yuji might have a weakness in not wanting others to die on the decisions he makes, especially on the depicted hostage scene involving Yoshida in the OP. But if it aint gonna happen, oh well.
Oh well, it was just my shot in the dark on speculating.
Anyways, I have a question: So far, there have been multiple Guze no Ou that look human but are those their actual forms or are they just taking whatever form they like?
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-07, 21:18
I guess so.
I just thought that Yuji might have a weakness in not wanting others to die on the decisions he makes, especially on the depicted hostage scene involving Yoshida in the OP. But if it aint gonna happen, oh well.
Oh well, it was just my shot in the dark on speculating.
Anyways, I have a question: So far, there have been multiple Guze no Ou that look human but are those their actual forms or are they just taking whatever form they like?
It's just a form they take, the form is based off a human that they've seen before, and they can change their forms at anytime.
It's just a form they take, the form is based off a human that they've seen before, and they can change their forms at anytime.
Even their genders?
CoffinWeaverAzis
2008-02-07, 23:25
Even their genders?
indeed, laimes was a young girl during the time when mathilde was alive but is now an old man in the current time in the series
no, they can't chose genders. tomogaras capable of giving birth to new ones will be females. the old man is not the actual lamies, it is the torch lamies residues in (like a shell), she is still a she.
Stuff from Newtype
18話 (2／14)
錯綜(さくそう)の悠二
悠二が封絶(ふうぜつ)の中で見せた銀色の炎は、ともに戦ってきたフレイムヘイズだけでなく、紅世(ぐぜ) の王たちにも大きなショックを与えるものだった。誰も正体を知らない力が、なぜ悠二の中にあるのか? 答え の見つからない疑問が周囲に広がる中、悠二はシャナたちからの期待に応えようと、以前から指摘されていた自 在師としての適性を伸ばそうとする。悠二の頑張りもあって順調に鍛錬は進んで行くが、その頑張り方に不自然 な決意と姿勢を見て取ったマージョリーから「覚悟っていうのは、頭じゃなく腹で決めるものよ」ということば を掛けられるのだった。
》脚本=小林靖子 演出=神保昌登 絵コンテ=渡部高志 作画監督=新井伸浩、佐野隆雄
■19話 (2／21)
言えなかったこと
悠二は「いつか“いなかったこと”になる存在だから、大切な人を傷つけないためにも街を出なくてはいけない 」という、新たに抱いた決意を、ひとりで繰り返し再確認していた。そんな悩める彼の前に、紅世の徒(ともが ら)・ザロービが現われる。悠二は、小さな存在の力しかもっていないザロービを、自分ひとりでも倒せる相手 ではないかと思うが、そのときザロービが近くの住宅地を指差し、不敵な微笑みを浮かべた。そのようすに、住 宅地の人間が人質にとられていると理解した悠二は、ザロービに導かれるまま、河川敷から繁華街、駅前のアー ケードへとついていく。
》脚本=白根秀樹 演出=丸山由太 絵コンテ=渡部高志 作画監督=梶谷光春、加藤万由子、小 宮山由美子
■20話 (2／28)
茜色(あかねいろ)の死闘
》脚本=犬飼和彦 演出=池端隆史 絵コンテ=米たにヨシトモ 作画監督=井本由紀、川上鴨彦 、山川宏治
■21話 (3／6)
合わさる力
》脚本=水上清資 演出=高島大輔 絵コンテ=米たにヨシトモ 作画監督=未定
18: The Intricate Yuji
19: It Could Not Be Said
20: Red Death Struggle (T/N: The "Red" here is "Akaneiro", as in "Madder Red".)
21: Merging Power
21's title is rather... interesting. :p
ok, i get it now,
18:yuji learns how to use fireballs with margery
19:zarovee and bifrons attacks and defeated, sabrac appears
20:fight with sabrac, the flame hazes are heavily wounded
21:they manage to defeat sabrac, but it was too late for yuji. the spell is activated and....
this finishes vol14
now that leaves 3 more episodes..... interesting
billbrown
2008-02-08, 20:55
Listen to Sterling she/he(I don't know your gender:heh::heh::heh:) Is a novel reader.
Also The kind of merger, that Sairei no Hebi, and Yjui have, and the type that Yuji, and Hecte have are different. Hecate was just taking his memories. Sairei no Hebi need to inhabit, and control Yuji's body(or at least that was what was intended, but Sairei no hebi let Yuji keep control of his body, and he let Yuji have his powers.)
As a side note you should work on your use of commas. There are too many of them.. your sentences are fine for the most part but you're breaking them up with too many pauses(the commas). For instance that first sentence in your second paragraph could be said without a single comma. Here's a copy of your second paragraph with just commas removed.
"Also The kind of merger that Sairei no Hebi and Yjui have and the type that Yuji and Hecte have are different. Hecate was just taking his memories. Sairei no Hebi need to inhabit and control Yuji's body(or at least that was what was intended, but Sairei no hebi let Yuji keep control of his body and he let Yuji have his powers."
The cut down from seven to one comma makes the paragraph faster and smoother to read. Not trying to pick on you or anything just trying to make your posts easier to read in future consideration.
Anyway, back on topic cnnydz is that your speculation or is that what the summaries tell us? Seems like the pace will be speeding up again.
serenade_beta
2008-02-08, 21:20
Anyway, back on topic cnnydz is that your speculation or is that what the summaries tell us? Seems like the pace will be speeding up again.
Speculation, I believe.
cnnydz has read the novels though. But there is no 100% that the anime will completely follow the novel.
The summaries do not say that much.
In the episode thread, I translated what ep18's summary said. It mentioned training with Margery, but that's it.
But episode 19's summary does mention Yuuji fighting Zarovee, because Yuuji realized Zarovee's small existence and thought he could take Zarovee on by himself.
Nothing for 20 and 21.
What did Novel 15 talk about anyways?
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-08, 22:35
What did Novel 15 talk about anyways?
All I know about it is that it's a flashback, on a group of Flame Haze, and Guze no Ou, and that the events in Novel 15 will have something important to do with the upcoming Struggle with Sairei no Hebi.
As for how it's connected, and why I really have no clue. We'll have to ask Cnnydz'll have to explaint hat. Actually I'm glad you brought it up becuase i was wondering about it too.
EDIT: Serenade Beta, although it's probably his speculation it makes sense, Zarovee was defeated quickly, and easily by Yuji. Then Bifrons came right after, and was also defeated fairly quickly. Then right after that Sabrac showed up. I think Cnnydz's speculation holds some grounds, though Yuji might merge with Sairei no Hebi right at the end of Episode 21.
Sterling01
2008-02-10, 20:10
If Cnnydz's speculation is true. I think they might be able to do Vol 16.
As if Shana II is 24 episodes that would leave an episode for each chapter of Vol 16
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-10, 22:46
If Cnnydz's speculation is true. I think they might be able to do Vol 16.
As if Shana II is 24 episodes that would leave an episode for each chapter of Vol 16
That'd be nice, though who knows they may show something else in the 3 remaning episodesthey did miss the flashback on the Alastor's previous contractors...though that'd be hard to do.
Also Sterling welcome back...What did you get banned for???
teachopvutru
2008-02-10, 22:58
As if Shana II is 24 episodes that would leave an episode for each chapter of Vol 16
Or I just hope it's longer than 24 episodes. :p
Afterall, there's no definite source that says how many episodes there will be (there isn't, right?), plus I can hope. :heh:
And if that's so, more novel materials will be covered
alvinkhorfire
2008-02-11, 03:38
ok, i get it now,
18:yuji learns how to use fireballs with margery
19:zarovee and bifrons attacks and defeated, sabrac appears
20:fight with sabrac, the flame hazes are heavily wounded
21:they manage to defeat sabrac, but it was too late for yuji. the spell is activated and....
this finishes vol14
now that leaves 3 more episodes..... interesting
The fights with Zarovee and Sabrac are what we are waiting for. But, to finish off vol 14 in about 4 episodes, don't you all think it is a bit too rushed? I know, they may need remaining 3 episodes for possible anime original content. And, Fumina arc seems to take a lot of episodes than it needs to be. Elaborating a bit more on fight with Sabrac (which is one of the main highlight) should not hurt much. What do you all think?
Sterling01
2008-02-11, 07:55
They finished novel 12 & 13 in two episodes each
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-11, 15:47
They finished novel 12 & 13 in two episodes each
Were Volumes 12, and 13 the volumes with pheles, fecor, and Hecate in it???
Sterling01
2008-02-11, 18:36
Were Volumes 12, and 13 the volumes with pheles, fecor, and Hecate in it???
Yes those ones
第20話 （2/28） 茜色の死闘
* （アニメディア）※ あらすじは制作サイトの都合により発表されません
* （電撃文庫マガジン）サロービの策略を推測し、自らの力で事態を切り抜けた悠二のもとに、シャナとヴィルヘ ルミナが合流した。だが、そこに新たな敵がれた。無数の刃と巨大な茜色の炎。
* （テレビステーション）シャナとヴィルヘルミナが悠二に合流した途端、突然シャナは体をやいばで刻まれ、ヴ ィルヘルミナは炎に包まれる。
* （TVFan）徒たちのわなを見切った悠二にシャナとヴィルヘルミナが合流した。だが、そこかつてフィレス とヨーハンを襲った殺し屋、懷刃サブラクが出現する。
* 脚本=犬飼和彦 演出=池端隆史 絵コンテ=米たにヨシトモ 作画監督=井本由紀、川上鴨彦、 山川宏治
第21話 （3/6） 合わさる力
* （アニメディア）※ あらすじは制作サイトの都合により発表されません
* （電撃文庫マガジン）サブラクの、時とともに傷を広げていく自在法『スティグマ』により窮地に立ちたされる フレイムヘイズたち。ヴィルヘルミナが単独でサブラクと交戦し時間を稼ぐ中、悠二の発想から導かれた、とあ る作戦が決行される……！
* （TVFan）サブラクとヴィルヘルミナの戦いが続く中、悠二はずっと感じていた違和感から１つの結論に達 した。佐藤、吉田を加え反撃が始まる。
* 脚本=水上清資 演出=高島大輔 絵コンテ=米たにヨシトモ 作画監督=未定
第22話 （3/13） クリスマス・イヴ
第23話 （3/20） 危難の胎動
第24話 （3/27） 守るべきもの
Let the speculating discussion resume...
第20話 （2/28） 茜色の死闘
* （アニメディア）※ あらすじは制作サイトの都合により発表されません
* （電撃文庫マガジン）サロービの策略を推測し、自らの力で事態を切り抜けた悠二のもとに、シャナとヴィルヘ ルミナが合流した。だが、そこに新たな敵がれた。無数の刃と巨大な茜色の炎。
* （テレビステーション）シャナとヴィルヘルミナが悠二に合流した途端、突然シャナは体をやいばで刻まれ、ヴ ィルヘルミナは炎に包まれる。
* （TVFan）徒たちのわなを見切った悠二にシャナとヴィルヘルミナが合流した。だが、そこかつてフィレス とヨーハンを襲った殺し屋、懷刃サブラクが出現する。
* 脚本=犬飼和彦 演出=池端隆史 絵コンテ=米たにヨシトモ 作画監督=井本由紀、川上鴨彦、 山川宏治
第21話 （3/6） 合わさる力
* （アニメディア）※ あらすじは制作サイトの都合により発表されません
* （電撃文庫マガジン）サブラクの、時とともに傷を広げていく自在法『スティグマ』により窮地に立ちたされる フレイムヘイズたち。ヴィルヘルミナが単独でサブラクと交戦し時間を稼ぐ中、悠二の発想から導かれた、とあ る作戦が決行される……！
* （TVFan）サブラクとヴィルヘルミナの戦いが続く中、悠二はずっと感じていた違和感から１つの結論に達 した。佐藤、吉田を加え反撃が始まる。
* 脚本=水上清資 演出=高島大輔 絵コンテ=米たにヨシトモ 作画監督=未定
第22話 （3/13） クリスマス・イヴ
第23話 （3/20） 危難の胎動
第24話 （3/27） 守るべきもの
Let the speculating discussion resume...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't say those are from Animedia (along with other sources) making them official?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't say those are from Animedia (along with other sources) making them official?
When I say "unofficial" I mean these aren't posted on the official website and such. Of course, one would think that sources like Dengeki Bunko Magazine are reliable and official enough, you get the idea.
The Real Nemo
2008-02-25, 16:43
Well the title of ep 22 is apparently Christmas Eve, that's what I can say for sure.
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-25, 21:53
Can someone please translate those PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
serenade_beta
2008-02-26, 02:21
第20話 （2/28） 茜色の死闘
* （アニメディア）※ あらすじは制作サイトの都合により発表されません
* （電撃文庫マガジン）サロービの策略を推測し、自らの力で事態を切り抜けた悠二のもとに、シャナとヴィルヘ ルミナが合流した。だが、そこに新たな敵がれた。無数の刃と巨大な茜色の炎。
* （テレビステーション）シャナとヴィルヘルミナが悠二に合流した途端、突然シャナは体をやいばで刻まれ、ヴ ィルヘルミナは炎に包まれる。
* （TVFan）徒たちのわなを見切った悠二にシャナとヴィルヘルミナが合流した。だが、そこかつてフィレス とヨーハンを襲った殺し屋、懷刃サブラクが出現する。
* 脚本=犬飼和彦 演出=池端隆史 絵コンテ=米たにヨシトモ 作画監督=井本由紀、川上鴨彦、 山川宏治
第21話 （3/6） 合わさる力
* （アニメディア）※ あらすじは制作サイトの都合により発表されません
* （電撃文庫マガジン）サブラクの、時とともに傷を広げていく自在法『スティグマ』により窮地に立ちたされる フレイムヘイズたち。ヴィルヘルミナが単独でサブラクと交戦し時間を稼ぐ中、悠二の発想から導かれた、とあ る作戦が決行される……！
* （TVFan）サブラクとヴィルヘルミナの戦いが続く中、悠二はずっと感じていた違和感から１つの結論に達 した。佐藤、吉田を加え反撃が始まる。
* 脚本=水上清資 演出=高島大輔 絵コンテ=米たにヨシトモ 作画監督=未定
第22話 （3/13） クリスマス・イヴ
第23話 （3/20） 危難の胎動
第24話 （3/27） 守るべきもの
Let the speculating discussion resume...
Can someone please translate those PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No need for ep20
Ep21 - Uniting Powers
-The Flame Haze stand in a dilemma because Sabrac's Unrestricted Method, Stigma, that causes wounds to enlarge with time. While Wilhelmina stalled for time by fighting Sabrac by herself, a certain battle plan from Yuuji's idea is carried out......!
-While Sabrac and Wilhelmina are fighting, the uncomfortable feelings Yuuji had all along came to one conclusion. Including Satou and Yoshida, the counterattack begins. <--Just what can they do? Scream? No, I remember the cross of death.
Ep22 - Christmas Eve
Ep23 - Quickening of Danger
Ep24 - Thing to Protect
Sterling01
2008-02-26, 02:43
Now I'm not so sure about how it's going to end
teelotes
2008-02-26, 03:47
I'll be looking forward to epi 21, hopefully there's good climating action.
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-26, 16:30
The thing that bugs me is the tile of episode 21. it's called united powers it could mean the Flame Haze uniting to deafeat Sabrac. OR it could mean Sairei no Hebi, and Yuji merging together. I guess it could also be both.
Including Satou and Yoshida, the counterattack begins. <--Just what can they do? Scream? No, I remember the cross of death.
Yes, I got lost at 反撃 also. I don't think it's going to be the cross though, personally.
HashiriyaR32
2008-02-27, 00:44
Anyone getting some Code Geass vibes from the novels? Yuji may not have Geass to help him change the world, but Reiji Maigo certainly helps when you're trying to end a perpetual war between denizens and flame haze.
Anyone getting some Code Geass vibes from the novels? Yuji may not have Geass to help him change the world, but Reiji Maigo certainly helps when you're trying to end a perpetual war between denizens and flame haze.
*evil laughter*
What do you know, that's exactly what Sairei no Hebi thought!
Yuji's not going to try to the change the world if he ever crosses back over to the "good side", since thinking like that is what gets you to merge with the supreme god of the most powerful tomogara organization in the entire world. Changing the world as you desire is how a tomagara thinks. Protecting what you care about is how a flame haze thinks. (well, at least under ideal conditions)
HashiriyaR32
2008-02-27, 00:58
Here's a little something for the thread: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1239316
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-27, 18:21
Here's a little something for the thread: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1239316
don't have anico account what's the vid about???
serenade_beta
2008-02-27, 18:25
don't have anico account what's the vid about???
It's just the first Shana OP visuals plus Code Geass first OP music.
gabbytay
2008-02-27, 18:26
don't have anico account what's the vid about???
its just a shana op II with the code geass OP song
DeotoxSlayer
2008-02-27, 18:56
its just a shana op II with the code geass OP song
Dam that might actually seem good. Wish I could see it T_T
It's just the first Shana OP visuals plus Code Geass first OP music.
The Code Geass MAD set to joint was better though. :\
finalnight
2008-03-01, 14:05
I was wondering if anyone could give a quick list of what episodes correspond to what novels, was just curious of the spacing, and what episodes were anime originals.
HashiriyaR32
2008-03-02, 20:03
If you can read Japanese, go here (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%81%BC%E7%9C%BC%E3%81%AE%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%8 3%8A#.E3.82.B5.E3.83.96.E3.82.BF.E3.82.A4.E3.83.88 .E3.83.AB) . That list covers season 1, while THIS (http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%81%BC%E7%9C%BC%E3%81%AE%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A3%E3%8 3%8A#.E3.82.B5.E3.83.96.E3.82.BF.E3.82.A4.E3.83.88 .E3.83.AB_2) covers season 2.
EP9, 23, and 24 of S1 and EP 3-7 of S2 were originals.
finalnight
2008-03-03, 02:10
so is it me or did the anime skip volume 10? and holy crap with the season 2 hyper-compression
Sterling01
2008-03-03, 02:17
Volume 10 has nothing to do with the main story
it seemed a lot of people are concerned about whether sabrac will survive or not, so here it is..
no he didn't die. the three flame hazes with the help of johan and yuji lifted the whole misaki city up into the air, trapping sabrac inside. and then blew everything up into tiny particles. but even with all this destruction sabrac still escaped unharmed
I'm so confused Chinese novel translations are only up to volume 12 ish and nothing really special happens.
Why would Yuji willfully merge with the serei no habi and why would he beat down shana and kidnap her?
I don't get it, but my curiousity is killing me. These novels don't come out often enough.
Newtype just confirmed the titles from Devard's post. Though, there's no summaries beyond one for ep 22, which is virtually identical the official website's summary.
Newtype just confirmed the titles from Devard's post. Though, there's no summaries beyond one for ep 22, which is virtually identical the official website's summary.
No summaries?
Oh, I've got a good feeling about this. :3
DeotoxSlayer
2008-03-10, 13:07
No summaries?
Oh, I've got a good feeling about this. :3
especially considering that episode 22 is Called Christmas eve:D:D:D
O I can't wait I just hope that J.C doesn't mess up the way it happens, and uses the best animation quality possible, man i wonder what it'll look like animated.
Sterling01
2008-03-10, 13:40
I have a great fear that J.C will make it seem like Yuji was forced to merge with SoTF and that it wasn't his choice.
DeotoxSlayer
2008-03-10, 13:42
I have a great fear that J.C will make it seem like Yuji was forced to merge with SoTF and that it wasn't his choice.
That's why i'm hoping that we see them have atleast one converstion at the begginning of the next episode.
Sterling01
2008-03-10, 14:03
Well If I remember correctly they do have a final conversation with each other before they merge
DeotoxSlayer
2008-03-10, 15:05
Well If I remember correctly they do have a final conversation with each other before they merge
well let's hope that they show this convo at the beggining of the next episode.
I have a slight feeling that they won't show SotF this season... :uhoh:
Mai Kawasumi
2008-03-10, 15:28
I have a slight feeling that they won't show SotF this season... :uhoh:
But
:uhoh: Only one more to go
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/9250/dibujofn0.png
Maybe they'll do an original anime ending where Silver is the last boss or something, I don't know, just speculating
DeotoxSlayer
2008-03-10, 15:37
But
:uhoh: Only one more to go
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/9250/dibujofn0.png
Maybe they'll do an original anime ending where Silver is the last boss or something, I don't know, just speculating
See so it's a proven fatc that Sairei no Hebi will show up.
Well, then to me it seems like they have two options...either they just make an anime original ending with Silver as the final boss and SotF as....well I don't know...or how about an open ending à la Code Geass with Yuji merging with SotF. :heh:
DeotoxSlayer
2008-03-10, 16:11
Well, then to me it seems like they have two options...either they just make an anime original ending with Silver as the final boss and SotF as....well I don't know...or how about an open ending à la Code Geass with Yuji merging with SotF. :heh:
Yuji, and Sairei no Hebi will be fusing in the next episode, and then they'll probabaly do part of volume 16, and end on a cliffhanger, or sumthing like that.
Sterling01
2008-03-10, 17:42
The 2nd op also proves that Shana will also have some contact with Yuji's Black flames and if you want an example of how the Merging might look, take a look at this (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2523767) (starts at the 2:34 mark)
DeotoxSlayer
2008-03-10, 18:09
The 2nd op also proves that Shana will also have some contact with Yuji's Black flames and if you want an example of how the Merging might look, take a look at this (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2523767) (starts at the 2:34 mark)
Do you have a non nice link of that video, a website that doesn't require registration.
Sterling01
2008-03-10, 18:22
No Sorry, I don't
DeotoxSlayer
2008-03-10, 18:25
No Sorry, I don't
Then can you describe what the fusion in that video is like.
Then can you describe what the fusion in that video is like.
it was just the footage of yuji realizing he was in a dream and returning to the real world in episode 1 of season 2. :confused:
Sterling01
2008-03-10, 19:11
it was just the footage of yuji realizing he was in a dream and returning to the real world in episode 1 of season 2. :confused:
Oh! That's where that fotage was from
it was just the footage of yuji realizing he was in a dream and returning to the real world in episode 1 of season 2. :confused:
Oh thanks. I guess I wasn't playing close attention to that episode :heh:
Malintex_Terek
2008-03-13, 00:24
Do we have a CV name for Sairei no Hebi yet? I'm curious as to what kind of actor JC Staff will give him.
Do we have a CV name for Sairei no Hebi yet? I'm curious as to what kind of actor JC Staff will give him.
My guess? He's going to be voiced by Hino Satoshi. Why? It's Yuji. Sairei no Hebi Sakai Yuji, anyone?
all these answers and more in a few hours. maybe. :rolleyes:
wonder if Satoshi's any good at doing an 'evil' voice.
Malintex_Terek
2008-03-13, 01:07
I'm hoping SnH Sakai Yuuji will be voiced by Hino, I want to hear a GARlock-like voice from him. But I think regular old SnH will have a different CV.
Deathscyther
2008-03-26, 09:16
After seeing episode 23, I think that we'll be getting a season 3. They tied all the fillers together with this episode, so that'll leave the road open to a season 3 with canon material, although they should wait until there are more novels to animate.
We might get the confession after all in the last episode. I base this off the preview, but this can be misleading of course. There's even a very small chance that they'll bring in Sarei no Hebi in episode 24, although I don't think so to be honest.
minhtam1638
2008-03-26, 16:25
After seeing episode 23, I think that we'll be getting a season 3. They tied all the fillers together with this episode, so that'll leave the road open to a season 3 with canon material, although they should wait until there are more novels to animate.
Not happening. If they decide to bring Sairei no Hebi for the 3rd Season, it will not be canon at all. My best bet (and hope) is to wait and see how the novels will go first. If there's an arc after SnH, then there will be a 3rd season. If not, I'm sorry, but all good things must come to an end.
teelotes
2008-03-27, 09:55
Not happening. If they decide to bring Sairei no Hebi for the 3rd Season, it will not be canon at all. My best bet (and hope) is to wait and see how the novels will go first. If there's an arc after SnH, then there will be a 3rd season. If not, I'm sorry, but all good things must come to an end.
I wouldn't mind if it was "good". I want a third season because I think Shana deserves better. ;) So does that mean that SnH alone is not enough material for a third season? Maybe they could do a 13-episode instead of a 24? Moreover, there are still other secondary plot details left uncovered, like Yuji's younger brother which was only just introduced into the anime story.
minhtam1638
2008-03-28, 01:00
I wouldn't mind if it was "good". I want a third season because I think Shana deserves better. ;) So does that mean that SnH alone is not enough material for a third season? Maybe they could do a 13-episode instead of a 24? Moreover, there are still other secondary plot details left uncovered, like Yuji's younger brother which was only just introduced into the anime story.
13 is possible, but I don't think SnH will be enough to cover 13 episodes. Also, the younger brother or sister thing, that will not play a major role in the storyline at all unless Yuji is removed from existence.
Deathscyther
2008-03-28, 08:44
It is hinted that Yuji chooses Shana (because of her blushing and smiling) in the end of the final episode, but I have my doubts. The final scene where you see Yuji's footprints ending in the snow where it gets very dark seems foreboding and combine that with what he's saying...
I smell a sarei no hebi and a third season coming.
Aquifina
2008-03-29, 12:46
In my opinion, the writers left the ending somewhat open, because J.C. Staff itself may not know what they want to do with the series. I assume some of this will depend on the commercial success of this season. And how much material we get from the novels.
I for one would be fine either way. I liked the ending of this season, and I think that can work for the anime as a whole. However, a S3 could work; some adjustments would have to be made, but I think that can work--depending on how much stuff we get in the remaining novels.
Nevertheless, if there is a S3, I really do firmly believe that the love triangle should be left as settled. A new season will have to find other ways of fleshing out the relationship between Shana and Yuji, and the introduction of a SotF Yuji would be just fine on that front. That would produce more than enough conflict. Furthermore, Hecate's continued development would have to be covered in a 3rd season.
For the novel readers, exactly what role does Hecate play in the novel story? She's actually acquired a pretty serious role in the anime, and IMO, is actually the most important of all the villains. She's certainly the one most fleshed out, even more so than Friagne.
teelotes
2008-03-29, 17:15
13 is possible, but I don't think SnH will be enough to cover 13 episodes. Also, the younger brother or sister thing, that will not play a major role in the storyline at all unless Yuji is removed from existence.
Yup, it's not a major role, but I'd still like to see him being born, and probably more side story on Yuji and his family. Then there's his dad which we all have our suspicions on regarding his possible "other side" of the character.
Yuji's family is particularly important in developing the characters of Yuji and Shana. We've seen how Shana has matured through her learning and interaction with Yuji's mum, and how Yuji feels intimately connected to the city because of his family. This bond would be strengthened by the birth of a younger sibling, which makes Yuji an elder brother with added responsibility. It will also be tested when (or if) he becomes SnH Yuji.
minhtam1638
2008-03-29, 19:16
Yup, it's not a major role, but I'd still like to see him being born, and probably more side story on Yuji and his family. Then there's his dad which we all have our suspicions on regarding his possible "other side" of the character.
Yuji's family is particularly important in developing the characters of Yuji and Shana. We've seen how Shana has matured through her learning and interaction with Yuji's mum, and how Yuji feels intimately connected to the city because of his family. This bond would be strengthened by the birth of a younger sibling, which makes Yuji an elder brother with added responsibility. It will also be tested when (or if) he becomes SnH Yuji.
You have to have a 26 episode season if you want a side story on Yuji's family. Honestly, I don't see how Sairei no Hebi would fit in a 13 episode season with the birth of Yuji's sibling. If we want to go into that, then there may as well be a new flame haze who happens to be Shana's biological sister who became a flame haze for that incident and has ever since started looking for her. Otherwise, it's just a minor detail.
(Although the thought of Shana attempting to change diapers is just giving me moe crushes right now)
ZingFreelancer
2008-04-08, 10:54
So Yuji merging with Snake by his own will... Does this makes him... A flame haze??? Because it is basically the whole concept, a human accept a "contract" and merge with a Denizen Lord and become a flame haze.
The only thing that don't fit in is the fact that Yuji is an eternal torch.
Also Silvers appearance from Yujis body could be described as his wish to not lose Midnight Lost Child? As silver is summoned by will...?
minhtam1638
2008-04-08, 11:37
So Yuji merging with Snake by his own will... Does this makes him... A flame haze??? Because it is basically the whole concept, a human accept a "contract" and merge with a Denizen Lord and become a flame haze.
The only thing that don't fit in is the fact that Yuji is an eternal torch.
Also Silvers appearance from Yujis body could be described as his wish to not lose Midnight Lost Child? As silver is summoned by will...?
You're very close - it makes him a Tomogara/Crimson Denizen.
ZingFreelancer
2008-04-08, 12:31
I remember some people talking about a Tomogara who designed "City devouring" so he could revive his beloved flame haze or was it so he could make a child from her reminds?
As at this point, the previous alastors flame haze dies and "Shiro" get the mission to find a new suitable vessel for alastor.
So it could be possible that Shana is actually the one who was created by that Tomogara and "Shiro" just found her and brought her to alastor. That self explains why she can fit alastor in her self that well...
Just a speculation.
alvinkhorfire
2008-04-15, 09:26
So, guys, what actually happens at the end of Epiosde 24 of season 2? There are two possible interpretations of the ending, which are:
a. Yuji has chosen Shana over Kazumi and the love triangle has ended.
b. Yuji was heading to either Shana or Kazumi (most probably Shana), then he mysteriously disappeared without choosing any one of the girls.
Those who did not read any novel spoiler will mostly choose ending a. But, anyone who has read the novel spoiler will mostly choose ending b. So, I am confused. Which ending is the correct one? I personally think the ending b is the correct one. The disappearance of Yuji should fit just well with the fact that he is going to merge with Snake of the Festival. The post made by piku strengthens my beliefs.
actually the ending did't give any clear answer on shana or kazumi who won yuji. kazumi cried, shana laugh, that's all.
moreover, yuji's footprints disappeared. it may be a hint on yuji just disappeared (and turn into the snake of festival) as the origial novels, in my point of view.
the anime origial 'GOU NO RITSUZOU' may as a test for bal masque get ready to welcome their boss to come back, as the principle is quite alike.
Or, the best way is say that we don't know which ending is the correct one and we have to wait until the possible arrival of season 3 to know the answer.
minhtam1638
2008-04-15, 11:39
So, guys, what actually happens at the end of Epiosde 24 of season 2? There are two possible interpretations of the ending, which are:
a. Yuji has chosen Shana over Kazumi and the love triangle has ended.
b. Yuji was heading to either Shana or Kazumi (most probably Shana), then he mysteriously disappeared without choosing any one of the girls.
Those who did not read any novel spoiler will mostly choose ending a. But, anyone who has read the novel spoiler will mostly choose ending b. So, I am confused. Which ending is the correct one? I personally think the ending b is the correct one. The dissapperence of Yuji should fit just well with the fact that he is going to merge with Snake of the Festival. The post made by piku strengthens my beliefs.
Or, the best way is say that we don't know which ending is the correct one and we have to wait until the possible arrival of season 3 to know the answer.
We don't know which ending is the correct one, so we have to wait until the possible arrival of season 3 to know the answer. Should Shakugan no Shana follow the same path as pre-2008 Rozen Maiden (I said "pre" for a reason), we can actually interpret it as the love triangle being resolved and the footprints symbolizing that Yuji is ending his indecisiveness (left-foot Shana, right-foot Kazumi, left-foot Shana) and picking, eventually Shana.
HayashiMugen
2008-04-15, 21:23
Is this what you people are saying? Yuji was walking up to Shana then he vanishes?
alvinkhorfire
2008-04-15, 22:28
HayashiMugen
Yeap, that is what I mean. Basically, there are two possible interpretations of the ending and I would like to know which is the correct one.
HayashiMugen
2008-04-16, 05:44
I have a good feeling its this one.
ZingFreelancer
2008-04-22, 06:50
However, in the ending of the anime season 2 we can see Shana and dark flames. As well as hands reaching for each other and when they grab a hold, a glass brakes into pieces. The animme have taking some of they're own swings. So that Snh might actually overtake Yujis body true Reigi Maigo and Shana will reach for his conscious to awake him or something like that?
madamshana
2008-06-26, 00:58
So, guys, what actually happens at the end of Epiosde 24 of season 2? There are two possible interpretations of the ending, which are:
a. Yuji has chosen Shana over Kazumi and the love triangle has ended.
b. Yuji was heading to either Shana or Kazumi (most probably Shana), then he mysteriously disappeared without choosing any one of the girls.
Those who did not read any novel spoiler will mostly choose ending a. But, anyone who has read the novel spoiler will mostly choose ending b. So, I am confused. Which ending is the correct one? I personally think the ending b is the correct one. The disappearance of Yuji should fit just well with the fact that he is going to merge with Snake of the Festival. The post made by piku strengthens my beliefs.
Or, the best way is say that we don't know which ending is the correct one and we have to wait until the possible arrival of season 3 to know the answer.
I tend to believe a but we never know.
Angrypokstick
2008-06-26, 21:13
I tend to believe a but we never know.
though according to the novel the correct interpretation of the ending is actually b.....
madamshana
2008-06-28, 22:20
though according to the novel the correct interpretation of the ending is actually b.....
I haven't read the novels as they are only available in chinese and japanese I believe.
scott pike
2009-03-15, 21:01
I haven't read the novels but I really want to no what is going on. I don't even care if I ever read them as long as I know what happened. who is the snake fellow, why did yuji merge, where did he come from, what does he have to do with the bel masgue group? What are all the major story events that happen in the novels and is there anyplace that collects all of these and explains them since it seems I'll be in my forties before the story is translated?
Wargumm1i
2009-03-17, 01:03
Wait is the Novel over?
Cosmic Eagle
2009-03-17, 01:07
Wait is the Novel over?
Not yet....
Marcus H.
2009-05-10, 03:57
*Sorry to resurrect a 2-month inactive thread...
I just want to share my forecasts and speculations for Shana III... :P
> Bal Masque's been defeated twice. I think they'll stay as an enemy, but will not be as active as in ~Second~ since the Trinity's not 100%.
> I have a feeling Ogata-chan is the owner of the 'fading footprints', if that scene has no deeper meaning to it.
> I think Kazumi will not use Giralda.
> Will Margery defeat Sydonay in III? And will the secret of the Silver be revealed?
> Will the Keisuke-Margery pair develop?
> Where is Pheles right now?
> What do you think will be Yuji's sister's name? (note that her name will have the kanji for "three" in it.)
R&R please. :P
Cosmic Eagle
2009-05-10, 22:12
*Sorry to resurrect a 2-month inactive thread...
I just want to share my forecasts and speculations for Shana III... :P
> Bal Masque's been defeated twice. I think they'll stay as an enemy, but will not be as active as in ~Second~ since the Trinity's not 100%.
> I have a feeling Ogata-chan is the owner of the 'fading footprints', if that scene has no deeper meaning to it.
> I think Kazumi will not use Giralda.
> Will Margery defeat Sydonay in III? And will the secret of the Silver be revealed?
> Will the Keisuke-Margery pair develop?
> Where is Pheles right now?
> What do you think will be Yuji's sister's name? (note that her name will have the kanji for "three" in it.)
R&R please. :P
If they follow the novels, Yes, Bal Masque will be the major antagonists. Likewise, Margery's fate and the nature of Silver will be expanded upon.
Marcus H.
2009-05-11, 04:10
The question is, will they count the entirety of the novel and the sidestories (Eternal Song, Book SS and Book 0)? I think it's better to have the "Shakugan no Shana -600 Years" as an additional movie than to be introduced as filler episodes.
Terminator98
2009-07-31, 09:14
Basicaly we have this left to make an entire third season:
-Yuji becoming an evil guy and he abducting Shana.
-Mostly Shana maybe fighting him, either killing him or awakening him and making him comeback to his senses, and for the first time ever, saying "I love" you to him.
-Margery nearly getting killed by Yuji.
So, I smell filler episodes.
However...
Will J.C interpret the ending as most of you speculated. the good way? (Shana is chosen by Yuji and they end up together) Or are we gonna follow the novels?
Knowing J.C staff, I fear that we are gonna get some anime special stories and some deformation of the story.
BTW... I never understood... why did Yuji decide to merge with the snake?
digger314
2009-08-01, 00:42
I think the current understanding is that the third season will be mostly in sync with the novel all the way til the end of the novel series, so it should contain stuff from future novels.
as for why did Yuji merged with Snake, I should read that part again, but my impression is that he didn't have much of a choice in it. The revival of Snake has been a centuries-long plan by Bal Masque to bring back their Great Leader (actually their god), and Yuji just happened to be stuck at the center of it. Now the goals of Snake/Yuji kind of align at the moment so maybe that's why Yuji isn't fighting him more - assuming he even can without outside help.
Dark Wing
2009-08-01, 01:10
BTW... I never understood... why did Yuji decide to merge with the snake?
This really belong in Q&A but I guess I'll make an exception...
You see there had been a few times when Yuji would have dreams where he is talking to a mirror version of himself (which was the snake) and they would have all these deep philosophical conversations about life etc. and grow to become kinda like friends.
Well after the battle with Sabrac. Yuji started to worry about how he was still unable to really protect Shana that was when the snake appeared before Yuji and told him the only way to save Shana is to stop all the fighting and the best way to do that was to "Change The Truth of The World" i.e. Rewrite Reality.
By doing this Humans would no longer be needed for food so the flame haze would no longer be needed which meant that Shana could go back to being a normal girl and wouldn't have to fight anymore. So Yuji fuses with the snake to become a new being capable of caring out this plan.
-Yuji becoming an evil guy and he abducting Shana.
Okay I'll have to stop you right there...
Yuji never really did anything "EVIL" after combining with the snake as a matter of fact it was Shana, Margery, and Wilhelmina who attacked him first he was just defending himself. Also The snake wasn't really evil to begin with he just had his own vision on how this war could be brought to an end and Yuji shared that vision.
I'll explain. Original the snake was just like Alestor part of a group of wise old flame haze guys thinking of a quick way to end the war however snake's idea about rewriting reality didn't go over very well with the rest of the team because if he messed up he could have ended up destroying the entire universe. Of course that wouldn't stop him from trying it anyway so Alestor and the others had no chose but to trap snake and seal him away.
So if anything the snake is more of a tragic character who fell from grace but ended up finding a worthy partner that shared his vision Yuji.Which in it's self is kinda sad too because when Shana asked Yuji why he merged with the snake. He replied by saying he did it so she wouldn't have to fight anymore and they could be together. Shana with tears in her eyes tells him that his confession meant everything in the world to her but he had sided with her enemy which made Yuji her enemy also and it is her duty as a Flame Haze to take him down...truly tragic indeed.
Terminator98
2009-08-01, 03:33
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG G
Should've never asked. :bash::bash::bash:
Ok understood the things now...
The thing is, as I said, future novels will be enough? As it doesn't seem that novels are coming out quick enough...
justavisitor
2009-08-01, 16:08
Hi all, just finished shana 1 & 2...this series is excellent!!! (using the professor's tone XD)
Now I don't know whether I want to read the novel.....maybe it will ruin the joy of watching the possible season 3 in the future..anyway, I have 2 questions, and I hope ppl who have watched the anime and read the novel can help me out here
Q1) In season 1, Yuji's mom talked about the important meaning of a kiss..Does the same thing happen in the novel?
Q2) Shana and Yuji never kiss in the anime..Have they had the kiss yet in the novel?? (The newest novel is volume 18 right??)
If this first answer is a yes and the second answer is a no..then I can probably guess how Shana is going to save "Snake Yuji" :heh: (yeah, I know some plots from the novel already, but I am not sure whether I should read the novel before watching the possible season 3)
Thx in advance
Terminator98
2009-08-01, 18:25
If this first answer is a yes and the second answer is a no..then I can probably guess how Shana is going to save "Snake Yuji" (yeah, I know some plots from the novel already, but I am not sure whether I should read the novel before watching the possible season 3)
I am not knowledge full about the novel too, as I skipped a few chapters, but... let me tell you one thing. Shana will more likely try to kill Yuji as she is forced to being a Flame Haze, unless Yuji convinces her with some kind of... I don't know, even bigger confession or just reason with Alastor so that they stop chasing him and Snake.
And about the kiss. I don't remember it happeing. But I might see it happening soon. :D
alvinkhorfire
2009-08-04, 01:51
Look what I have obtained with my time machine: summary of the first few episodes of Season 3. Just joking, they are my speculation, so they are not real. I do realize that it is way too early to mention about the first few episodes of Season 3 as it is expected to begin in Fall 2010. Anyhow, it is just my speculation. If anyone wants to post suggestion or correct my mistakes, please feel free to do so.
I assume that Season 3 will move straight on to the content of Volume 16 without any filler. Besides that, I have referred to digger314's summary (http://sites.google.com/site/asdigger314/chapter-16-summary) while making this speculation.
OP: It may contain scene in which Yuji turns into a black figure.
Summary of first part: Continuing from the event during Christmas Eve, Yuji is walking, heading to either Shana or Kazumi. Suddenly, there is a voice saying: "It is the time." (The viewers have no idea of whose voice is it, later on they will know that it is the voice of Snake of The Festival") As such, Yuji is slowly disappearing. Well, both Shana and Kazumi are seen waiting for Yuji the whole night.
Summary of second part: This part shows the happening after a couple of weeks since Yuji disappeared. Everyone, except those who involve in the struggle, seems to have forgotten Yuji, just like when a torch disappears. In the last scene, Sydonay and Bel Peol are shocked to see a black figure approaching them. (At this point, the viewers still do not know who that black figure is.)
Summary of first part: This part serves as a flashback. It is shown that Yuji starts dreaming of talking to a black mirror image of himself. (All of the necessary events that lead Yuji into merging with SotF from the Volumes 8 and 14) is shown here.) The scene moves to the present time as SotF/Yuji accepts the throne on the Seirei-den.
Summary of second part: Shana shows Margery a letter from Yuji to prove he still exists. Shana and Wilhelmina had convinced Margery to train Shana with unrestricted spells.
OP: The black figure into which Yuji turns is revealed as Snake of The Festival Sakai Yuji.
Summary of first part: Bal Masque eliminates almost all of the most powerful Flame Haze located in east Asia. A few Bal Masque members challenge SotF. They are defeated easily but SotF praises them.
Summary of second part: Yuji returns back to Misaki City. Shana senses presence of a tomogara and goes out to follow that presence. In the last scene, Yuji meets with Shana.
Summary: The highlight is definitely the epic fight between Sotf and Shana, Wilhelmina, Margery. This episode ends when Sotf Yuji retrieves Haridan and leaves the department store holding along Shana.
By integrating the flashback events seamlessly into the episode lineup, then the events in Volume 16 will make sense.
Terminator98
2009-08-04, 06:14
Too much rushed...
The ending will be there before we even know it...
...thankz for e spoilers
help alot... >.<
Terminator98
2009-08-05, 10:38
This is SPECULATION
Triple_R
2009-08-05, 12:23
Look what I have obtained with my time machine: summary of the first few episodes of Season 3. Just joking, they are my speculation, so they are not real. I do realize that it is way too early to mention about the first few episodes of Season 3 as it is expected to begin in Fall 2010. Anyhow, it is just my speculation. If anyone wants to post suggestion or correct my mistakes, please feel free to do so.
I assume that Season 3 will move straight on to the content of Volume 16 without any filler. Besides that, I have referred to digger314's summary (http://sites.google.com/site/asdigger314/chapter-16-summary) while making this speculation.
OP: It may contain scene in which Yuji turns into a black figure.
Summary of first part: Continuing from the event during Christmas Eve, Yuji is walking, heading to either Shana or Kazumi. Suddenly, there is a voice saying: "It is the time." (The viewers have no idea of whose voice is it, later on they will know that it is the voice of Snake of The Festival") As such, Yuji is slowly disappearing. Well, both Shana and Kazumi are seen waiting for Yuji the whole night.
Summary of second part: This part shows the happening after a couple of weeks since Yuji disappeared. Everyone, except those who involve in the struggle, seems to have forgotten Yuji, just like when a torch disappears. In the last scene, Sydonay and Bel Peol are shocked to see a black figure approaching them. (At this point, the viewers still do not know who that black figure is.)
Summary of first part: This part serves as a flashback. It is shown that Yuji starts dreaming of talking to a black mirror image of himself. (All of the necessary events that lead Yuji into merging with SotF from the Volumes 8 and 14) is shown here.) The scene moves to the present time as SotF/Yuji accepts the throne on the Seirei-den.
Summary of second part: Shana shows Margery a letter from Yuji to prove he still exists. Shana and Wilhelmina had convinced Margery to train Shana with unrestricted spells.
OP: The black figure into which Yuji turns is revealed as Snake of The Festival Sakai Yuji.
Summary of first part: Bal Masque eliminates almost all of the most powerful Flame Haze located in east Asia. A few Bal Masque members challenge SotF. They are defeated easily but SotF praises them.
Summary of second part: Yuji returns back to Misaki City. Shana senses presence of a tomogara and goes out to follow that presence. In the last scene, Yuji meets with Shana.
Summary: The highlight is definitely the epic fight between Sotf and Shana, Wilhelmina, Margery. This episode ends when Sotf Yuji retrieves Haridan and leaves the department store holding along Shana.
By integrating the flashback events seamlessly into the episode lineup, then the events in Volume 16 will make sense.
Interesting ideas, but I think that the first two episodes will be more action-packed than this - I can't see your summaries for those two taking up a full episode with out massively decompressed storyline.
Chances are that there will be some significant anime original content, and more Hecate involvement in particular.
Also... your episode summaries fail to take your own avatar into account, if you catch my drift... ;)
alvinkhorfire
2009-08-05, 23:53
...thankz for e spoilers
help alot... >.<
This is just my opinion, really, so it is not real and it is not definitely spoiler.
Too much rushed...
The ending will be there before we even know it...
Do you mind elaborate a bit more on your thought? I do not quite understand it. Are you saying that it is better to split the content of Volume 16 into six or eight episodes?
Interesting ideas, but I think that the first two episodes will be more action-packed than this - I can't see your summaries for those two taking up a full episode with out massively decompressed storyline.
Chances are that there will be some significant anime original content, and more Hecate involvement in particular.
Also... your episode summaries fail to take your own avatar into account, if you catch my drift... ;)
Action-packed? In my opinion, the main events are that Yuji has disappeared and the else of the gang are trying to adopt to his absence. I could not see how these events can be action-packed. It is a bit like mysterious tone in Episode 1 of Season 2. Why has Yuji disappeared?
Besides that, I did not actually post the full summary here. As a matter of fact, my "mini" summary identifies which portion of Volume 16 that goes into which episode.
Thanks for reminding me about Shana smiling in the end. Well, some people at this forum had previously discounted the importance of this scene. This scene could have no meaning at all. That is why I did not take this scene into account.
Anyhow, Triple_R, if you can somehow write your own speculation, that would be great!
oops sorry ...
i actually would like the anime to go aong yr speculation..
lets hope for the best then ..:X
Terminator98
2009-08-06, 05:43
Do you mind elaborate a bit more on your thought? I do not quite understand it. Are you saying that it is better to split the content of Volume 16 into six or eight episodes?
What I meant is, that although your speculations seem very plausible, I kinda feel it better for the "final episodes".
I kinda feel that they should add a few more things before that. (Thus, maybe GOOD fillers)
As Triple R also said, Shana smiled at the end of season 2, something that we cannot ignore, as J.C staff might keep this in account.
But maybe that they'll resume this, and Shana will see yuji coming towards her, but he'll disseapear in the process. (So we se the 2nd part, her smile turns into a face of consternation and sadness)
Triple_R
2009-08-06, 06:45
Anyhow, Triple_R, if you can somehow write your own speculation, that would be great!
Don't take my comments too harshly. You could be very close.
This is how I'd seriously consider doing it, if I had full creative control...
Episode 1 - We take off exactly where the anime left off. We hear the Christmas music and see the Christmas tree. There's a distinct Christmas shopping commotion as we hear the crowds at first, but that is cut dramatically into silence, as we see Yuji's foot stepping forward into the snow. Then we get silent tension in the air - we pan from Kazumi to Shana to Yuji, back to Kazumi getting nervous to Shana starting to lose patience to Yuji deeply sighing, quick panning through their three faces over and over again until these mesmerizing blur of images is brought to a close by Shana yelling out "Hurry up and choose, Yuji!". For added comedic effect, we see the crowds start to go "Huh?" and look at a blushing embarrassed Shana, who nonetheless still has a pouty look on her face. For a brief moment, we hear the Christmas shopping commotion again, but then that fades off as we focus back on Yuji.
We see Yuji trembling a bit, and trying to firm himself. Then with one final sigh, he begins walking towards Shana. Kazumi then starts crying assuming that this means Yuji is choosing Shana. Shana starts smiling (like your avatar) as she assumes that this means that Yuji is choosing her. Then, during Yuji's walk towards Shana... we and Yuji hear a voice calling out to him (but nobody else hears it) and we get a cool video effect like the ones you see when they want to display a character in the midst of a heart attack/severe emotional stress. SotF is calling out to Yuji, and after a tense pause, Yuji says (or thinks) "I accept", and fades away. Shana goes from smiling to her eyes and mouth widening in horror. She screams out Yuji's name very loudly, while Kazumi runs towards where Yuji was just standing and dark suspenseful music reaches its crescendo. Cue the opening credits...
1st half of episode - Shana and Kazumi are in frenzied alarm, and begin searching all over for Yuji. Failing that, they decide to head after Wilhelmina and Margery for help. We go through a bunch of talking scenes, and Wilhelmina and Margery both agree to investigate the disappearance of Yuji further. We then do a slight one week or so time skip.
Cut to scenes of war between Bel Masque and Outlaw/East Asian flame hazes. Sabrac has been hired to take out Outlaw, and is back in action. Satou is trying to co-ordinate Outlaw, but his allies are outmatched by Sabrac. It looks like Satou himself might get killed by Sabrac, when... Pheles shows up.
Pheles has a bone to pick with Bel Masque, and knows that Sabrac is working for them. We see the first few minutes of a Pheles vs. Sabrac fight - anime original combat.
Commercial break
2nd half of the episode goes pretty much how you think it will. It ends on two cliff-hangers - Going back to the Pheles vs. Sabrac fight just for a minute or so to show that Pheles is on the brink of getting killed by Sabrac. Then, we get Snake of the Festival Yuji introducing himself to Bel Peol, Sydonay, Hecate, and Dantalion. At first, Yuji's identity is shrouded - but the final few moments of the scene plays very dark ominous music with a close-up of his face, right after he says something that sounds sinister. Dantalion starts laughing loudly and we cue to fade out of the episode, and the closing credits.
Episode 2 - Pretty much what you said, except we'd also have Shana, Wilhelmina, and Margery Daw arriving to Pheles' rescue, engaging in a few minutes of explosive combat with Sabrac and other tomogara, before the antagonists all decide to make a retreat. Satou breathes a sigh of relief, while Margery Daw chastises him for getting involved in such a dangerous profession. Some nice Margery and Satou back-and-forth.
Maybe show some scenes of Hecate trying to forge a romantic relationship with Yuji due to...
1) Her Konoe memories.
2) The fact Yuji is on her side now.
3) How pleased and satisfied she was over Season 1's synchronization with Yuji.
Hecate is spurned once more, though, as Yuji reveals that his heart now belongs strictly to Shana.
If we decide to slow down the novel-based plot progression a bit, as Terminator98 would like, we could use this as a jumping off point for a deeply hurt and oddly raging Hecate going after Shana with the intent to kill her.
Hecate vs. Shana could be spread out over episodes 3 and 4 - maybe eventually dragging in secondary fights through out the city pitting the rest of Bel Masque against Wilhelmina, Pheles, and Margery Daw in order to get all the key characters taking part.
I could easily imagine Sydonay chasing after his dear Hecate to ensure that Hecate doesn't recklessly kill herself while going after Shana while in a state of romantic rage. I could also see Dantalion wanting to 'observe', for scientific purposes of course, how this fight plays out. And maybe for once, Bel Peol doesn't want to be left out of the ation.
Yuji calmly watches all of this, Aizen-style (Aizen from Bleach) from afar, trying to size up how good his new allies are.
We see Hecate about to kill a downed Shana near the end of episode 4, but Yuji finally intercedes, Evil OverLord style, and says "No, Shana is not to be killed. I'm impressed with your display of fighting prowess and power, Hecate, but Shana is the whole reason why I'm doing what I'm doing. Let us leave for now, as there's much more to plan before we take full action."
As Yuji and Hecate head off, a tearful Shana screams "Why, Yuji?! Why are you doing this?!" (or something to that extent, but maybe more Shana-esque).
Yuji turns his head around while Hecate looks sad and sour, and we catch a tense moment of a confused and hence slightly angry Shana looking into the eyes of a strangely stoic and self-assured Yuji.
"You're not ready to know that, Shana" answers Yuji, "But one day soon, you will be. With a strong heart, I look forward to that day".
And then Hecate and Yuji head off, along with the rest of a retreating Bel Masque, leaving a sad and confused Shana behind. The protagonists recompose themselves, and Shana is left wondering what this all could possibly mean. Alastor may or may not make the big, dramatic reveal based on what Shana tells him. We see Kazumi ironically trying to console Shana at the end, as the episode tries to end on a somewhat conclusive note, but obviously with some cliffhanger feel.
We could do episodes 3 and 4 like the above, or we could do it your way, alvinkhorfire. It all depends on how fast we want to get through the novel-based material.
I don't have much problem with your episodes 3 and 4 speculative summary, expect perhaps what Terminator98 is saying - it eats up the material pretty fast. But then, it would make for 4 truly outstanding episodes, if the anime original fight (for episodes 1 and 2) I'm suggesting is thrown in, imo.
What do my fellow Shanatics think? :)
Terminator98
2009-08-06, 12:22
RRR, your speculation seems less "fast" than alvin's, and you added some possible that would make the anime seems serious enough to watch. But I have a problem. Yuji... isn't as bad as that... where's the scene when Yuji says that "I'm doing all this so we can be together for ever"
Although it would be more fit for the end... I agree.
Ah, if only they had put all this in season 2 instead of having put those damn fillers.
But... Pheles showing herself to defend outlaws doesn't seem.... plausible.
Triple_R
2009-08-06, 12:40
RRR, your speculation seems less "fast" than alvin's, and you added some possible that would make the anime seems serious enough to watch. But I have a problem. Yuji... isn't as bad as that... where's the scene when Yuji says that "I'm doing all this so we can be together for ever"
Well, my thinking there, is that we stave off those words (and the ensuing novel-based fight) for later. Of course, we could have Yuji say that, and still have him retreat for now, I suppose. Otherwise, there really is no other option but to go straight to the novel fight.
Although it would be more fit for the end... I agree.
Yeah, I kind of hope the 4th episode has at least a bit of a conclusive feel to it.
Ah, if only they had put all this in season 2 instead of having put those damn fillers.
But... Pheles showing herself to defend outlaws doesn't seem.... plausible.
I have to admit that Pheles vs. Sabrac is simply a fight I'd love to see. And the first two episodes of this four episode OAV is as good a time as any to have the fight, imo. Maybe we could instead have Sabrac hired to kill Pheles for some reason?
Terminator98
2009-08-06, 12:43
wait wait wait...
are we speaking about OVA or Season???
Because the OVAs will not cover the new novels I think, it'll just be side stories, etc, which happens when Yuji is still but a Torch.
Season will (should) be comming around fall 2010, hopefuly.
Triple_R
2009-08-06, 12:46
wait wait wait...
are we speaking about OVA or Season???
Because the OVAs will not cover the new novels I think, it'll just be side stories, etc, which happens when Yuji is still but a Torch.
Season will (should) be comming around fall 2010, hopefuly.
Sorry, my mistake. I got confused there for a second. :heh:
alvinkhorfire
2009-08-07, 04:06
To clear any more confusion, the speculation here is for Season 3, not for 4-episode OVA. piku has made a feasible speculation for OVA (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2543576#post2543576), as some of you are aware of.
Terminator98
I kinda feel that they should add a few more things before that. (Thus, maybe GOOD fillers)
Thanks for your clarification. I see your point. However, I do remember that a lot of people complain a lot during Konoe arc for Season 2 and keep on hoping that the storyline would return to the original novel material, although it may be different this time around. I do not mind fillers, as long as they do not derivate too far from the novel material. The more Shakugan no Shana episodes they can squeeze out, the better.:D
Ah, if only they had put all this in season 2 instead of having put those damn fillers.
If that is so, we may not have Season 3. I do not suppose that you do not want more episodes of Shakugan no Shana?
Triple_R
Great work! I love it, especially the first half of the very first episode before the opening credits. Your speculation really does take account into the original anime content of Season 2, especially the scene when Shana is smiling. However, to do that, few key events have to be ditched. There is nothing wrong with that, just that I would like to highlight these events.
1. Shana and Kazumi are waiting for Yuji the whole night after Yuji has disappeared.
If Yuji has disappeared in front of their eyes, Shana and Kazumi will not be waiting the whole night, right?
2. As in Chapter 3 of Volume 16, SotF Yuji slowly reveals his identity to Shana and Alastor.
In the novel, when Yuji makes a return to Misaki City, Shana meets with Yuji who is wearing school uniform. In subsequent conversation between Yuji and Alastor, Alastor is completely stunned and almost speechless as Yuji slowly reveals his SotF form. This scene is very important as good guys have clearly no idea that Yuji has merged with SotF.
If we follow your speculation for episode 4, Yuji would appears in SotF form as he retreats his allies. As such, we will not obtain that slow yet suspenseful revelation of SotF Yuji as in the novel.
To summarize, it is better to use your speculation. That way, we can squeeze out more Shakugan no Shana episodes. :D
Terminator98
2009-08-07, 04:11
The thing is. if they had put all this in season 2, things would've been clearer, and a followup might've been more easy.
(The thing is. will the novels end soon? That we don't know)
So yeah, there maybe wouldn't have been any season 3, but season 2 would've been godly awesome.
It's a bit like I'm fearful they mess SnS like they did with ZnT. So too long might be unhealthy for the name of the series.
BUT DO NOT SAY YUJI HAS JOINED THE DARK SIDE!!
Triple_R
2009-08-07, 04:55
Triple_R
Great work! I love it, especially the first half of the very first episode before the opening credits.
Thanks a lot!
Your speculation really does take account into the original anime content of Season 2, especially the scene when Shana is smiling. However, to do that, few key events have to be ditched. There is nothing wrong with that, just that I would like to highlight these events.
1. Shana and Kazumi are waiting for Yuji the whole night after Yuji has disappeared.
If Yuji has disappeared in front of their eyes, Shana and Kazumi will not be waiting the whole night, right?
Yeah, this scene, for me, is one of those that's fine to read in a book, but may come across as a bit boring in animated format (i.e. just watching Shana and Kazumi stand there the whole night).
2. As in Chapter 3 of Volume 16, SotF Yuji slowly reveals his identity to Shana and Alastor.
In the novel, when Yuji makes a return to Misaki City, Shana meets with Yuji who is wearing school uniform. In subsequent conversation between Yuji and Alastor, Alastor is completely stunned and almost speechless as Yuji slowly reveals his SotF form. This scene is very important as good guys have clearly no idea that Yuji has merged with SotF.
If we follow your speculation for episode 4, Yuji would appears in SotF form as he retreats his allies. As such, we will not obtain that slow yet suspenseful revelation of SotF Yuji as in the novel.
However, ditching this truly does hurt. :heh:
Like yourself, though, I think it's worth it to squeeze out more Shakugan no Shana episodes. JC Staff has shown me that they do action-based filler pretty good... just keep them away from slice of life filler. :heh:
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