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[Skyfall]

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[Klashikari]

as usual... clumsy bullet summary (currently watching)

Episode 2: summary and screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/clannad-episode-2/)

i will rework it a bit tomorrow. same for the upload of the screencaps.
the raw is out by the way

EDIT: Screencaps are uploaded. summary has been reworked as well.

[FireChick]

I'll watch this after school with the subs. Fuuko appears! Whee!:):D

[Cyz]

Screenshots and soon to have a summary (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/10/11/clannad-02/) of episode 2 courtesy of Random Curiosity. Pls. look at it at your own risk!!!

[Daniel E.]

For some reason, I felt that this week lasted an eternity. :eyespin:

Need my Clannad fix pronto! :heh: :heh:

[Takuto19]

Really looking forward to this heh, been waiting all week for it, hope it's another great episode.

[mikemil828]

Best part of the show, Tomoya stating that Kyou is Bi to the entire class, when she forbid him to talk about her Motorbike.

[Shiroth]

Best part of the show, Tomoyo stating that Kyou is Bi to the entire class, when she forbid him to talk about her Motorbike.
Yeah, that was a great lol moment.

At the moment i have a lot to say about the second episode --- though all you're getting from me at the moment is moe moe Kotomi. <3

[FortMan]

Kyou's "Bi" moment was quite hilarious.

I also like that Tomoya's conditions are revealed bit by bit and not in one huge infodump. They aren't something he wants to talk about, so he'd reveal them only when really necessary (it's his arm this episode).

[Moridin]

Im not sure, but when the "girl with the little knife" talked, I felt as though I could easily imagine an "Uguuuu" comming from her. I wounder if that Seiyū was in kanon aswell, going to check that when im finished with this reply.
Im a little proud right now. I could understand a lot just by listening to the japanese this time, its one of the first times ive tried that :) I did it with lucky star 2 times, but that was almost impossible beacause they talk so fast in that anime, but in clannad there are several characters that talk really slow (atleast for being japanese) so its good when trying to learn some japanese.
I liked this episode a lot, but I miss two of my favorite characters from last weeks episode :(

[Deathkillz]

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enough said ;)

[Bloody Nightingale]

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enough said ;)

Oooooo they left an extra 4th digit in the front, does that mean there's gonna be a new record sooner or later? Looking forward to 9999 hit combo (maybe).

[Computer_guy]

Cant wait for the release!!

[KKensei]

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enough said ;)
I agree!
That made my day. That part was hilarious!

[amoirsp]

This episode ended up normal.

I find Kyoani's choice of chronology extremely screwy. But that's only because I remember all the scene dates, so obviously it would look rather weird. Otherwise it's sequentially reasonable, and aside from minour truncations, the overall idea once again, is still there.

In terms of accuracy to the game, with slight truncations, overall ideas are still maintained. Though because of the fast pace, the introductions are rather fast. With Kyou and Tomoyo it's fine because of their frequency, but for Fuuko and Kotomi they use a slower pace.

And my god the days are running fast. Now I'm realising they're doing introductions, then segmenting like they did in kanon. And if I keep thinking chronologically, I will find it extremely screwed up.

And of course in terms of Nagisa, it's fantastic. The other girls, I can't say quite the same. Now this is merely character usage. Clearly the main girl would have the most emphasis, but even I never recalled Ayu usage being that dominant that early (or it was, kind of, but not really).

I mean seriously, what leads to some of the introductions are nowhere near the same. Or maybe since it's the raw they took out the detail but something like meeting Kotomi and meeting Fuuko cannot occur on the same day. Upon rewatching, there were split segments that lead right into the usage of the rooms, so that original content made it less unusual.

I only find this strange because in the game it's entirely possible to run almost all the things that happened so far in the same game run. Most of them don't collide.

The other strange thing is Ryou explaining Ichinose Kotomi. In terms of adaptation it's not so weird because Ryou *should* know of such things. However, that doesn't hint isolation, and it also cuts out their strange meeting. Or, they still will have the strange meeting, since it's actual conversation, but I think Kyoani might make Kotomi's scenario not only independent, but void of other characters (you'd also have drama club usage problems).

And then there's eating lunch. It varies per route but my guess is they'll have it correlated with whichever route they're delving into.

Well I'm basing my opinion on the raw. Otherwise, it's still fine. If the perks work, they work. If anything, the other girls should be emphasized at a later episode. Likely by then most of the dates will be ignored because of segmentation. Maybe I keep forgetting that the same scenes in the game are like 10x longer due to text, but that anime speed covers most of it rather quickly.

Upon watching it again, it's not as bad. And perhaps I easily missed something from the raw.

This might be the only series that I watch each raw episode. Chronology aside, the overall idea was maintained, and the linking format obviously isn't identical, but it still works. If the pace is fast, at least most things are concise. If anything, a large sequence of events happened in the same episode, which is technically what I like in general episodes, so I should be quite satisfied.

[SPOILER]Although relatively Nagisa's usage obviously delved more into the route more, it'll seem quite odd when she may very well be missing for 12 or so episodes when segmented routes are undergone. It's like if her usage remains this high in the next few episodes, you'll run out of things to do with Nagisa lol because most of it would be covered. Now then again I don't know if there's an after story or not, but if there was, that would totally screw over the pace of the segmented routes, or those would simply be pretty fast since there's already portions of each route used anyways.[\SPOILER]

Right now everything is being put down so there's a fair share of seeing everyone (um except Miyazawa). Well, a lot more happens anyways. I just wonder in what order.

[Kaioshin Sama]

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enough said ;)

Guy should get the hell out of the way. Either that or he likes it. :naughty: Other than that, still not much here to divert my interest from other shows this season.

[toxic_trance]

Oh..this has been a long long wait. Watched the First Episode 25 times. Kami-sama knows what shall be my fate with the second one

[boggart]

I shall wait for the widescreen version. :( Let's see if I can actually hold out til then.

[darlliu]

I like the animation especially some details.really nice.
other than that, tomoyo rules as usualXD

[Decagon]

Ugh. I enjoyed watching this so much I want to get the game just to compare. Is there some busy college student abridged translation somewhere? The pacing for this ep was nice. I especially liked the background and atmosphere they used with Nagisa's scenes.

[Daniel E.]

Guy should get the hell out of the way. Either that or he likes it. :naughty:

You need to give the poor dude some credit. I dont think there are many characters in fighting games that can still move after a 528 hit combo. :heh: :heh:

[Ascaloth]

Subs are out. Subs subs subs subs subs subs subs....*rabid frothing* :eyespin:

[Shiroth]

You need to give the poor dude some credit. I dont think there are many characters in fighting games that can still move after a 528 hit combo. :heh: :heh:
I think someone has been using a few continues. :p

[luckyovermind]

I knew about the 528 hits on the internet before I watch the episode, so it's not that exciting for me to see it coming.

But Kotomi is here! Hurray! Isn't it wonderful to see her again. Lovely lovely kotomi, coughmybelovedKotomicough :D

And we are going to see a new dictionary every episode I suppose, is that how you greet people Kyou-san? :heh:


p.s. Oh yeah, I didn't expect that toy in the dream world to be THAT ugly :heh:

[Kinny Riddle]

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enough said ;)

God damn motherf****r, and I thought 64 hits was her limit already. :twitch: It looks like we've (people who've read the visual novel) all seriously underestimated Tomoyo's potential. With 4 digits instead of 3, one wonders just how much better she can get? Her potential is limitless. Easily the highlight of the episode. :D

Poor Ryou, she looked devastated upon Tomoya telling everyone her sister's a "Bi". (Kyou: DON'T BELIEVE THAT!!! lol )

Most of the ep is pretty much focused on Nagisa, including the crucial rain scene. Fuuko and Kotomi get their introduction, though Fuuko got more screentime.

I can understand why Tomoya despises his father so much, to have your dream ruined by such a petty fight, I'd be mightily pissed, though how one picks himself up depends upon the person and circumstances. By meeting Nagisa and deciding to help her form her Drama Club, Tomoya has a chance for redemption.

As for Tomoya's dad, he's pretty much the train wreck that he is, after losing his wife, he now has to live with the guilt of destroying his son's dream.

Looks like we'll be seeing Yukine by next episode.

[Rhyel]

This episode was great. But forced widescreen is the most worse thing of the universe... Philanthropy & Sekai :(

[Ascaloth]

Gosh, they threw the Tomoyo 64 right out the window. I was so NOT expecting that. I can just see the rush to rewrite KEY history happening about now.

Okay, for this episode, it's not just nitrous oxide anymore; it's a KyoAni ride, certainly, but this time it's one where the brakes don't seem to work. The awesomeness of the fight aside, I didn't think Tomoyo would warm up to Tomoya so quickly. They didn't even exchange words in the first episode, and already Tomoyo's telling Tomoya about nostalgia? Too fast, KyoAni......I was thinking that Tomoya would go through the "I AM a girl!" phase first....

No Kappei in the Kyou bike scene. Looks like he got cut out.

LOL at the "Bi-" scene. Now why didn't Konata parody that scene with Kagami and Tsukasa?! :(

What strikes me most in this episode though, is how KyoAni's already going into the "emotionally heavy" scenes with Tomoya and his father. Even AIR (TV) didn't shift into gear that fast; not like I expect them to take their time a la Kanon (2006) style, but certainly they could have waited until Episode 3?

And introductions of the other girls aside, it already feels as if Tomoya's spending most of his time with Nagisa. I also get the vibe that he's doing so because he's taking an interest in her; I mean, I'll be that nice to a girl too if I'm interested in her. Wonder how this is all going to play out.

Giving this episode a 7, and anybody who knows me knows that's a pretty low score for a KyoAni episode. I really feel like they're jumping the gun here....is KyoAni afraid they won't have enough time to wrap things up due to the last few episodes of Kanon (2006)?

RIUVA article coming soon.

EDIT: BTW, 528 hits is 66 sets of 8.

[Forever]

528 hits! And not only aint he aint dead, he is still conscious! Even Kenichi cant take that many hits. That school uniform must be made of Kevlar.

Ah if kyou was really a bi, then a Tomoya threesome with the sisters will take on an extra meaning.

[Kristen]

Not quite as good as episode 1, in my opinion. Episode 1 seemed to be extremely good for the shock value, and the emotional value that it created. Just like with Kanon, episode 2 seems to be the start of the plot of the story, not just a "This is the world you are being thrown into!" So, I expected this to be not quite as good as episode 1. The Bi scene was classic! And Tomoyo still remains amazing.

[Kinny Riddle]

No Kappei in the Kyou bike scene. Looks like he got cut out.


Nah, I just think they're not in a hurry to introduce Kappei yet. Maybe in another Bike scene, so don't be so pessimistic. We still got 22 weeks to go.

[Klashikari]

Okay, for this episode, it's not just nitrous oxide anymore; it's a KyoAni ride, certainly, but this time it's one where the brakes don't seem to work. The awesomeness of the fight aside, I didn't think Tomoyo would warm up to Tomoya so quickly. They didn't even exchange words in the first episode, and already Tomoyo's telling Tomoya about nostalgia? Too fast, KyoAni......I was thinking that Tomoya would go through the "I AM a girl!" phase first....
I don't get your "I am a girl" thing, but i'm quite surprised for this comment. Tomoya was obviously not following Youhei's lead in both episodes, and his funny/indifferent behaviour towards youhei, but also the fact he is siding with Tomoyo are factors which make me feel it is kinda natural for her to blurt something from her past.

What strikes me most in this episode though, is how KyoAni's already going into the "emotionally heavy" scenes with Tomoya and his father. Even AIR (TV) didn't shift into gear that fast; not like I expect them to take their time a la Kanon (2006) style, but certainly they could have waited until Episode 3?As far as i can understand with this episode: the situation wasn't something constant and especially not something to "build".
Considering the end of this episode, I can't see how Tomoya has "to wait some moments" before bursting.
It isn't something which should happen only after some random time, and the trigger looks normal.

I think it contrast much better, as it is somewhat silly to always wait the "good timing" for such stuff, especially that his conflict with his pops isn't something new.

And introductions of the other girls aside, it already feels as if Tomoya's spending most of his time with Nagisa. I also get the vibe that he's doing so because he's taking an interest in her; I mean, I'll be that nice to a girl too if I'm interested in her. Wonder how this is all going to play out.Huh... is that actually something wrong? I don't think they can actually do what they did with Kanon on CLANNAD. it is like trying to push an elephant through a normal door. Using the "main girl" as the main focus is something which will prevent prejudice for the plot progression. (and i think it is nearly impossible for tomoya to hand around the 4 other ones, just like Yuuichi did in Kanon)
Analogy aside, being a complete noobie in clannad, Tomoya looks like he just wants to help her, and doesn't exactly take advantage or anything (heck, he even decline to get involved in the drama club)

guess i should write up my thoughts later, but i'm fairly surprised to see rants about pace, while it is actually something which is hardly possible to help.

[Ascaloth]

Nah, I just think they're not in a hurry to introduce Kappei yet. Maybe in another Bike scene, so don't be so pessimistic. We still got 22 weeks to go.

There are other Bike scenes? Didn't know that. Not that I mind him being cut out; he came across as ambiguously gay to me. >_<

And if you're wondering, I know only that much only because I was messing around with KeyFC's translation of a tiny part of CLANNAD a while ago. So I still don't know enough to spoil very much.

I don't get your "I am a girl" thing, but i'm quite surprised for this comment. Tomoya was obviously not following Youhei's lead in both episodes, and his funny/indifferent behaviour towards youhei, but also the fact he is siding with him are factors which make me feel it is kinda natural

It's not so much on Tomoya's side as it is on Tomoyo's. I think you may have gotten mixed up...what I'm trying to say is, with Tomoyo's frigid "ice queen" vibes in the first episode, I didn't expect her to warm up so quickly to Tomoya.


As far as i can understand with this episode: the situation wasn't something constant and especially not something to "build".
Considering the end of this episode, I can't see how Tomoya has "to wait some moments" before bursting.
It isn't something which should happen only after some random time, and the trigger looks normal.

I'm just saying Episode 2's a little too soon for it. That's all.


Huh... is that actually something wrong? I don't think they can actually do what they did with Kanon on CLANNAD. it is like trying to push an elephant through a normal door. Using the "main girl" as the main focus is something which will prevent prejudice for the plot progression. (and i think it is nearly impossible for tomoya to hand around the 4 other ones, just like Yuuichi did in Kanon)


Who said something's wrong? :eyespin:

I was just making an observation. If anything, I'll say that it's a sign that the focus is definitely on Nagisa. That's all.

Gee, Klash. I recommend Prozac. :heh:

[Skyfall]

A good episode, no doubt. The first boggling moment came straight after the OP ... the absolute animation overkill on the mysterious girl made my eyes almost pop out of sockets. The animation is absurdly smooth there. Besides looking droolworthy, i feel it also helps to emphasize the surreality of the scene. (does it mean the animation is so smooth it is surreal ? :p).

That aside, the episode was pretty much what i expected it to be. We get introduced to new characters, and both are quite peculiar. The way Fuko throttled away from Tomoya at first and almost growled at him reminded me of some small, warm and fuzzy animal :heh: I was half expecting some catchphrase from her :heh: Obsession with carving wooden stars ? Though i bet there is an explanation for that.

Kotomi sure has a weird entrance. And she sure was quick to offer some of her lunch to him. Not much to say about her at this moment.

I was expecting Nagisa to come down with a fever (hey - you can't stand in the rain and not collapse in anime), so her collapsing was not that surprising, even though a bit convenient given the overall drama of the situation.(More references to her having a weak body ?). Tomoya's revelation about his right arm was something i did not expect however. No wonder he hates his oyaji so much.

The prank Tomoya pulled on Kyou was priceless :) that one earned qui9te a few laughs from me. Overall i find Tomoya a pretty good male lead who has his own share of problems as well. Definitely looking towards the next ep.

[Kinny Riddle]

There are other Bike scenes? Didn't know that. Not that I mind him being cut out; he came across as ambiguously gay to me. >_<

As feminine as he may look, Kappei's rather straight. Just wait till Sunohara sets his eyes on Kappei. (Mods feel free to delete this tid-bit of info if they deem it a spoiler. )

[mickal555]

Awesome! Horray!! Episode 2 is out.

"I might look this way, but I'm actually quite good at sports."

Now where have I heard that line before... :D

[Cheezy]

Now that Skyfall mentions it, the animation right after the OP was breathtaking.

Overall the animation so far is great, the details in the eyes and everything is really nice.
Everything else has alredy been said. Looking forward to the next episode.

[DragoonKain3]

Sunohara has just risen to be my favorite character of the series. God, that guy is a freaking riot. :D

[Solafighter]

Like i expected, a very great episode. :)

[Mentar]

(Since for some reason our torrent submission has been left unprocessed for 4 hours - SS-Eclipse release out)

[4ran]

so tomo-kun hates his father because he was the reason for why he cannot play basktball anymore - SO He was a baskatball player?-

the episode was good.. and it is funny how tomoya keeps seeing these " weird " girls in the school ..

[toxic_trance]

A beautiful follow-up to last week's classic Opening Episode. Awesome Comedy as usual. The Bi-joke and the 528-hit-jokes...simply a cracker and a classic.

Glad to see all the main characters introduced. Ichinose is simply adorable and excessively cute. Fuko is sweet..but really not much to say about her.

The best part of CLANNAD has got to be the male lead leaving the girls aside that is. I am really beginning to like Tomoya. Usually not many harem leads like this. The character development and his background info is what made me really like the episode.

As for Nagisa... "I might look like this..but I am quite athletic" ... Please..Not a Sayuri pt II..surely hope Nagisa has a a dead kid bro :'(

overall a 9..mainly because I feel the best is yet to come.

PS: The small scenes about the other world are very intriguing. ont discuss about it much since spoilers might just leak out. So will be patient and wait it out.

[Ascaloth]

Blog review on this episode is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD (TV), Episode 02 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=760)

[Ashlotte]

Kotomi. :love:


Oh sorry fanboyed it there for a second...:heh:

Well the pace was definatly an improvement over the first episode thats for sure. Lots of great emotional and funny scenes...I had to actually pause the show because I couldnt stop laughing from the Bi comment haha.

I know everyone loves Tomoyo's fighting scenes, but to me it just feels kinda...odd...In the context of this show atleast. I guess it'd be a spoiler if someone told me whether the way they portray how she fights is creative licensing or theres a deeper meaning to why it looks the way it does...

But don't get my wrong I think their exquisitely animated and make me really want to see kyoani make a fighting show heh.

[FlareKnight]

Well the 2nd episode was pretty good. Feel they are moving at a good pace so things keep being interesting. Was wondering about the reaction to his Dad earlier in the episode, but the info on his shoulder really did clear it up. Can only imagine the anger he'd feel towards his father after all it cost him the ability to play basketball.

The 528 combo was pretty funny. Good coordination as well getting Tomoya to open up the chute. Whole thing was pretty funny so simply enjoyed that part.

Nice getting a bit of revenge for being run down. Calling out Kyou as bi was nice. Really like Tomoya as a main character. Pretty solid guy with a good sense of humor.

[Takuto19]

10/10

Another great episode IMO, really liking it so far, the kicking combo from Tomoyo was really funny, can't remember if her name was told in the anime but the girl in the Art clubroom was funny doing the basketball high five heh.

Really looking forward to next weeks, kind of glad it's 24 episodes so there alot to come.

[IRJustman]

528 hits! And not only aint he aint dead, he is still conscious! Even Kenichi cant take that many hits. That school uniform must be made of Kevlar.

That'd certainly do DuPont proud. ;)

Not to mention, if anyone seriously needs that kind of protection, our troops in Iraq need it far more than do Sunohara and all of Tomoyo's other victims.

--Ian.

[dragon5152]

This episode was great. But forced widescreen is the most worse thing of the universe... Philanthropy & Sekai :(

EH!?!?

I encoded that and it plays 4:3 for me, the resolution is 640x480.
Hmmm. Maybe it muxing error. I will have to look into that.

Btw, quality should have shot up with this episode.

Anywho...episode gets 10/10 from me :p

[superzombie23]

I'm a Clannad noob so my opinion is probably different compared to someone who knows the story. Anyhow, this episode is an 8/10 at best. I felt like I was watching Kanon 2006 again. Hopefully the story will get more interesting... <.<

[Rhyel]

EH!?!?

I encoded that and it plays 4:3 for me, the resolution is 640x480.
Hmmm. Maybe it muxing error. I will have to look into that.

Btw, quality should have shot up with this episode.

Anywho...episode gets 10/10 from me :p

Download now by Eclipse-SS and play at 4:3... :p

[Mentar]

EH!?!?

I encoded that and it plays 4:3 for me, the resolution is 640x480.
Hmmm. Maybe it muxing error. I will have to look into that.

Technically, your release is fine. 640x480 in 4:3 AR, just like it's supposed to be.

Rhyelys, maybe you accidentally have a forced AR set in your player?

[velocity7]

I notice the same problem as well. It's not forced... it's definitely stretching 16:9 for some reason.

[panzerfan]

Sunohara is a glutton for punishment. Had kyoani follow ragdoll physics though, Sunohara would not have stayed put long enough for Tomoyo to deliver 528 hits.

The comedy factor in Clannad has been high. Kotomi is going to be called Nagato, just as Kyou is kagamin or to some, Haruhi... The bi joke is just great.

I really do find the combination of Tomoya and Sunohara really fun to watch. However, in the midst of this, we see a more serious element being put in... at a very fast pace.

[Mentar]

I notice the same problem as well. It's not forced... it's definitely stretching 16:9 for some reason.

*scratch head*

CCCP default install with Zoomplayer, Overlay renderer. No problems whatsoever.

What are you using?

[2H-Dragon]

Well this probably the best series I'm following atm, but I still have a problem with it. Too many girls. While of course it isn't better to just introduce a girl when her part starts, but it's kinda hard to figure who's who. My only thing I have now is looks. If they start referring to people with names in the future. I think I will have a hard time. Other then that it's all good. Though the scene's with the father are kinda weak imo.

[Cyz]

Haha, for a moment when I saw Fuko, I thought it was Ayu. Anyway, her introduction is really funny and so is Kotomi's.

[Minoto]

From the perspective of one who hasn't played the game and knows nothing about the story but what's been shown in the two episodes so far -- excellent episode. It continues the momentum built up in episode 1, and I thought they did a good job of balancing the continued introductions while also starting to get into the story a bit more...yes, it was fast-paced, but to me it just felt crisp and snappy, not forced or rushed. I'm bumping my rating up to a 9, and expecting to be giving some 10's in the near future.

[Red Lupine]

The last segment was a little too melodramatic for me

and at the end
when Nagisa passed out for no reason, I facepalmed. I couldn't believe something to cheesy just happened

so far I'm liking Tomoya's interactions with the other characters, except Nagisa

and now they have a third purple haired girl, too confusing

[toxic_trance]

Hmm..although Nagisa fainting was quite expected..but the setting was more focussed on Tomoya..and plus..this aint one of the cheesy scene typically used in a harem to make a girl fall for a guy where he carries her to the infirmary. Atleast KyoAni doesnt do things that way I feel.

Frankly..I love nagisa..she is simply too sweet and simple. Cant believe what an ass of a class she has who actually neglect such a girl

[Klashikari]

Considering how Nagisa was, and how the weather was starting to be bad before Tomoya decides to check outside, it is fairly safe to say that Nagisa was under the rain for a long time, and especially without any coat, umbrella or whatsoever.

anyone can get a strong fever like this, and it is even worse if we take into account her frail health which was explained right from the first episode.

It was rather surprising she could last such amount of time to realize what happened to Tommoya (and no, his coat is clearly not enough)

[OceanBlue]

Well, I'm not sure if I can add anything. It seems that everyone has said what I wanted to say. Regardless, I loved this episode. I can see what people mean when they say that the first episode seemed rushed, now that I can compare it to this episode.

Bi, hahaha! That part was great. And Ichinose is cute, like the other person stated.

Anyways, I liked how the last part was done. It gave me the sense that Tomoya felt encouraged and might actually have believed that he could do it, just to see that he couldn't. I was shocked honestly. Nagisa's fainting isn't oddly placed, in my opinion. She was staying out in the rain for a while, and she doesn't seem to have a very strong body. Her shock might have just tipped the balanced. Although the hand-to-head thing she pulled combined with the paused falling was kind of overdone.

9. Friday is now my "Happy Clannad" day. I hope to see greater things as we go along.

I love how this is only the second episode. Other shows seem to take forever to get things done [especially Shonen anime], and then that makes the whole series seem like not much happened. Generally, Kyoto Animation has been good with having a lot in one episode, yet keeping it at a good pace so that it sinks in.

Edit: Yeah. This looks like a fanboy post. Care to guess why?

[Rhyel]

Technically, your release is fine. 640x480 in 4:3 AR, just like it's supposed to be.

Rhyelys, maybe you accidentally have a forced AR set in your player?

No... I use cccp for long time, on install the only change is to install only media player classic. I not change other settings.

I downloaded other 3 animes today and all plays ok.

[MonkeyDude]

7/10

As a Clannad newbie, I haven't really seen anything 'breathtaking' so far. (Hard to be impartial because of Air and Kanon godliness...) Only episode 2 though, so I'm sure KyoAni will deliver^_^

[velocity7]

*scratch head*

CCCP default install with Zoomplayer, Overlay renderer. No problems whatsoever.

What are you using?

Media Player Classic, ratio set to "Default" (not 4:3 or 16:9).

[Mentar]

*scratch head*

Strange, I can't see any reason for it. Plays fine for me...

But it's not my release, so I don't know if dragon5152 did anything special...

[boggart]

I would give it a download to try out for myself if my internet wasn't capped and moving like tortoise right now.

[toxic_trance]

Hmm..kind of surprising that the thread is so empty. I was expecting more replies. Either I m checking on this thread too quickly...or maybe its just that the replies are drying up

[Grey]

Hmm, judging from the amount of time Tomoya spends on activities related to Nagisa, it seems he's fallen quite hard for her. And that's factoring out the amount of time he'd spend with her just because he's a helpful/nice guy. Well, this is no surprise though--it was pretty clear from the first episode that Nagisa was the female lead.

And I see they're mentioning the ghost girl, hm? Presumably it will actually have a story role then, though I haven't the slightest clue how it will tie in or who it will involve (besides Tomoya).

Fuko is odd, like a puppy with narcolepsy, except instead of falling asleep she falls into her own little dream world. Kotomi is perhaps eccentric, but I've come to expect that from people on higher end of the bell curve.

I'm surprised they're mentioning so much about the "dead world" so early. I thought it was going to be a mystery that they only hinted at, but they some to be dealing with it quite bluntly. I'll be fascinated to see how it pans out.

[Klashikari]

Hmm..kind of surprising that the thread is so empty. I was expecting more replies. Either I m checking on this thread too quickly...or maybe its just that the replies are drying up
you know, that was even worse when Sukai created the thread, and i was the only one who posted on it for roughly 2 hours... seriously we were like " :twitch: "
At least, much less crazy rush of "mindless praises", but looks like people weren't expecting the episode being that early :heh:

Hmm, judging from the amount of time Tomoya spends on activities related to Nagisa, it seems he's fallen quite hard for her. And that's factoring out the amount of time he'd spend with her just because he's a helpful/nice guy. Well, this is no surprise though--it was pretty clear from the first episode that Nagisa was the female lead.
In fact, it looks like Tomoya is rather unconsciously befriend with girls, considering how he isn't exactly enjoying his life and how he can actually kill time with something less fruitless than hanging around with youhei and ditching classes.
Seriously though, though it is clear Nagisa will be "the choice", Tomoya doesn't exactly look like "falling for her".
Of course, we don't have to wait for a blush or something, but actually, it looks like he is having some fun time, nothing beyond that.

EDIT, geh just realized ascaloth edit:

It's not so much on Tomoya's side as it is on Tomoyo's. I think you may have gotten mixed up...what I'm trying to say is, with Tomoyo's frigid "ice queen" vibes in the first episode, I didn't expect her to warm up so quickly to Tomoya.
I don't have any issue with the name, it was again some hasty typing (putting back the letters, you know the deal)
As i stated earlier, considering how Tomoya was acting, it is fairly normal for Tomoyo to be "not so cold" with him.
I can't really find it as a "derede", but more like a random comment, just after this meaningless fight. Consequently, considering how she is acting since episode 1, it isn't exactly ice queen to me, but meh...

Who said something's wrong? :eyespin:
I was just making an observation. If anything, I'll say that it's a sign that the focus is definitely on Nagisa. That's all.
Gee, Klash. I recommend Prozac. :heh:Nah, i'm far from being nervous or anything, more likely my habit how to write.
That's said, i thought you were pointing this part as "wrong", since you were complaining a bit before, i guess I spread the whole post for the last part, in a silly manner, heh *sigh*
Considering how it is going to build around Tomoya, it isn't anything sure if they will focus only on Nagisa, despite she is obviously "the choice".
Something like "kanon" pattern isn't exactly possible, that said.

[toxic_trance]

I guess Tomoya sees a part of himself in Nagisa...and by helping her..he is kinda doing the things which he could never do for himself. Plus..he is more attracted to her because of her strong relations with her family. I dont know if KyoAni plan to make a couple out of the two..but atleast for now..all Tomoya wants is Nagisa to enjoy her life more than he did

[Kisuke06]

Now this episode was great! And, is that just me, or the animation os this episode was better than the usual?

Anyways, lots of good moments in this episode. The bike incident, Tomoya's friend getting his ass kicked.

So, I understand that Tomoya's father lost his jog and now he has becoma a alcoholic, but I didn't think he beat his son. I mean, the reaction Tomoya had when his father approached him was a surprise to me.

[othic]

One part of this episode really did it for me.

uguu~~

[FlareKnight]

Not sure if we can judge a usual with only 2 episodes :).

What a screwed up family though. Not even sure what's going through Tomoya's dad's head. Just feels like he isn't all there every time we see him.

[Grey]

One part of this episode really did it for me.

uguu~~Heh! I was going to post about that, but I forgot. When she made that sound I was actually wondering whether it was the same voice actor for a moment. But apparently it is not.

[Kamui4356]

I was a bit unsure whether Clannad would live up to the expectations I had of it after episode 1, but episode 2 changed that. I'm not sure if it'll be quite as good as Kanon or AIR, but it looks like it'll be a solid series.

The only complaint I have is the pacing seems a little fast, but I haven't played the game, so I dont' know exactly how much they have to fit in. KyoAni's done a great job adapting Key's titles in the past, so I'll just have to trust they know what they're doing.

[Wandering_Youth]

An interesting episode.
It had good opening too with Miss Ryou almost having a hit-run situation with the main male lead. I'll bet that won't the only *near* fatal vehicular encounter for Tomoya. Aside from the interesting opening, it looks like they introduced all the characters already.

I'm interested in what things will happen with Kotomi because she seemed like...an odd ball type of character. I wonder if she lives in the library...

[Gaara133]

^^^^^^What are you guys talking about? I must've missed it >.< Anyone got a time for this obscure sound?

[Aquifina]

Anyways, I liked how the last part was done. It gave me the sense that Tomoya felt encouraged and might actually have believed that he could do it, just to see that he couldn't. I was shocked honestly. Nagisa's fainting isn't oddly placed, in my opinion. She was staying out in the rain for a while, and she doesn't seem to have a very strong body. Her shock might have just tipped the balanced. Although the hand-to-head thing she pulled combined with the paused falling was kind of overdone.


I never heard of Clannad before, so I'm a complete newbie with regard to the games.

The art was gorgeous in the first ep., especially that opening, and the series had my interest from that.

I personally thought the fainting *was* overdone; it would have been more powerful to just have her be upset. That being said, I for the most part have liked the Tomoya/Nagisa scenes. They can be a bit hokey at times, but they've more or less worked for me. That opening scene in ep. 1 really was priceless.

As for the other girls, I find it all confusing, but amusing enough for now. I really have no idea where this is all going, and the mysterious other world completely mystifies me.

[Eviltape]

All the time Tomoya spent with Nagisa reminds me of Yuichi and Ayu. It really almost feels the same with different characters. And it's making me think that she's the centre of the story again, amirite? That and the flashback.

Kyou driving in to Tomoya made me lol. The entire one-sided fight, "uguu" (timestamp, please; I missed it D: ), Kyou being "bi" for a bit... All good stuff, yus.

As for Tomoya's father, I'm still a bit in the dark as to the whole backstory. Something tells me we'll be eased into it and then a whole "OHGODSLAM THESTORYAGAINSTYOURSKULL" deal later on, given a few episodes maybe to sort out stuff. I get why he could've been angry in the past, but I don't have enough information to think about this further. Did something happen between his parents and then the mom died? (in the anime, not game)

The Nagisa deal also makes me a bit iffy as i'm a sucker for the unrequited-love/tsundere types. Like Rin from fate/stay night, Sanae from Sumomo[insert more], Mitsuki from Kiminozo... I've really got to develop a resistance to these kinds of things, as I was absolutely pissed at Kanon's ending and didn't have the bawls to finish Kashimas[h]i after reading Wikipedia.

On a lighter note, I present to Animesuki an avatar too huge for use on this website. Made it for a childhood friend of mine who (oh wow, look at this) watches anime with meh. Forum he goes to has no filesize limit. Also, too huge = around 290KB. I could splice it into the separate cutscenes, but whatever.

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s113/Eviltape/Signatures/boom.gif

[Owaranai Destiny]

Hmm...

Episode 2 seemed to have upped the humor factor here, for which was a great delight.

Comedy:
-Tomoyo's short and practically one-sided conversation with Sunohara with the latter able to be despatched into a dark and dank place. ("Do you want to fall? So you do." :heh: ) The expression and reaction of Sunohara was priceless, and I wonder how Tomoyo seemed to have gotten the ice-queen tag. Her behaviour here suggests otherwise.

-Kotomi's strange but endearing behaviour, responding to Tomoya's questions with unrelated answers.

-High-five with Fuuko and the 'dribble, shoot!'. I guess the comparisons to Uguu have been made, so I won't touch too much on this.

-Kyou's 'bi-' joke. Perhaps it would be a novel concept to see her embarassed, so the fact that we could not see her eyes and expression shows that she probably had that mixed in with bits of anger at Tomoya. Too bad for her he dodged the book of death again. Of course, there's the anticipated 528-hit combo. I thought it would have lasted a little longer even though I feel a little bad for Sunohara, the Glutton for Punishment. ;)

Aside from that, I'm getting slightly used to the pace set by the series so far. It still certainly feels a little rushed, but then again I wouldn't lump conventional ways of story-telling in with Key at times. The dream world seems to progress a little, and perhaps new viewers will be able to understand the relation between what's happening in the 'real' world and the 'dream' world with a few more episodes. I quite like the scene where Nagisa talked about her depression, and in the foreground we see a girl standing there all alone, looking sad while the other children are off playing and having fun.

As for Tomoya's story, it's hazy as usual, but now we know why he feels a certain way about certain things. I can't be entirely sure that he would hate his father for destroying any possible chance for him to return to something he apparently loved, since he almost automatically related an action (high-five) to basketball. The mentioning of such minor details impressed me a bit there.

We could have done without the melodramatic posture and action in how Nagisa fainted, even though all of us know that the primary reason for that was her standing in the rain a little too long waiting for Tomoya. This is also one of the parts where it feels a little fast as well, that it is obvious Tomoya is building up a camaraderie with Nagisa this early, considering that he had only known her for a short while. Perhaps this is to facilitate the easing in of the other arcs for the other girls (if there are arcs at all) and add more time for any future developments that might blow away the average (and not so average) viewer. Heck, I don't know, but it certainly seems a little like that.

Quite a pity the next episode seems to be focusing on the development of relationships between Tomoya and Nagisa, since I probably won't get to see much Tomoyo, Kyou and Kotomi for that matter. Still, it will be good to see the slowing down of the pace for an episode entirely devoted to one pairing.

A 9/10 for the comedy, minor details to fit the personality/preferences of the character and of course, the animation.

[Sushi-Y]

Well, this episode gave me a little more to write about.

Overall, Tomoya seemed way too enthusiastic about everything in the anime. Poking his nose into every little incident, it looked like as if he's just a bored guy looking for fun. Nothing about him looked like an unfriendly delinquent to me.

His progress with Nagisa is also on fast forward. Well, that's only half true. It's more like all the non-heroine specific scenes (scenes that doesn't involve any heroines, such as the usual comedic episodes with Sunohara and Nagisa's parents) are being cut out in between events with Nagisa (+other girls). Then again, that's the same ol' complaint about adaptations that everyone has heard a million times before, so I'm not gonna blame anyone for this.

I'm kinda upset that they decided to go nuts with Tomoyo's combos. It took a lot of set up (?) to build up to 64 hits in the game, 8 hit at a time. And they went and turned it into an arbitrary number.

Kyou's scenes were all done nicely, especially the threatening "anta-ne~~". It was lifted straight out of the game. ^^

The illusionary world scene was excellent. There's really no way to mess it up, since the only thing important was the monologue, but it was still nice to see the surreal feeling replicated so accurately.
It looks almost as if Tomoya's going all the way with Nagisa right now. What will Kyoani do about the others?

[Jer]

Once a train starts moving, it's kinda hard to stop because of its momentum.. well, not until it reaches its destination. Similarly, this is how KyoAni has set up for this series. I'm definitely gonna enjoy my ride on this 'train' until it reaches its destination.

Although the plot and storyline may seem a little common (or should I say recycled) in Anime nowadays (eg: Kanon & etc), it's still refreshing and special in its own way. Props to KyoAni again. Everything was done very well in this episode. Therefore, I'm giving it an 8.

[innominate]

Hmm, it was a bit fast, with people going emo one after another.
But hey, wave functions and astrophysics! Omg! =O I'd look forward to more of that.

[Jer]

Hmm, it was a bit fast, with people going emo one after another.
But hey, wave functions and astrophysics! Omg! =O I'd look forward to more of that.

LOL. Kotomi's already reading what I'm actually studying, just the basics though. With her level, she could enter pre-U/college if she wants to. :heh:

[kimchipride]

So many new characters.:confused: I need to know their names. Right now I recognize them by practically their hair color and style. The dad is a b1tch injuring his son's arm. :uhoh:

[mickal555]

Kyou driving in to Tomoya made me lol. The entire one-sided fight, "uguu" (timestamp, please; I missed it D: )


14:12

aguu~

Then another a bit later but it's more of a auu~

[cshard]

Tomoyo : "ochitai ka? souka."
Sunohara : "Boku, nani mo kotaette naissu~~~!!!!"

Seriously the best lines of the episode. XD XD

[amoirsp]

Well, clearly clannad is no easy feat adapting, I just find the allocation awkward because this is not the segmented route portions (though it is true that one route path is rather independent of another). Again this only means that seeing all the girls *this early* is entirely possible.

I'm just speculating slightly more Nagisa emphasis (as that's very clearly already shown), but then I have no idea how long it would last, and the transition to the other stories.

It seems completely imbalanced. The merging and the speed is what is awkward. Incidentally, overall concepts are still maintained, and although the scenes aren't entirely identical, a lot of it is more or less correct.

Of course I could rant forever about how adjusted Kotomi's scenes were given how many times I played that route. The anime only implied class was skipped but it was right after passing by other students talking about a ghost? Then again, that's just chronology oddity for the most part since if anything, the scene itself wasn't different by many means anyways, it's just the before and after those portions that changes the effects to generate better continuity. Though I think it is worse in some sense. Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Kotomi's route would be implemented even more implemented than it already is.

I think the scary thing is that despite how fast forward and sparse everything has ran, a lot more still happens. @_@ Come to think of it it's pretty crazy, and just by episode 2 it feels slightly disjointed.

Although I did expect Nagisa to have a lot of emphasis, I might say it's a bit imbalanced. The distribution is just so weird. If Kyoani plays the routes like Kanon, it just destroys the momentum depending on the order.

And on a random note, the pig should have appeared in this episode, but it's extended introductions + Nagisa emphasis so no surprise it shoots it off. Now in terms of only anime, what happened to "getting late to class because of

I think the funny thing is that Nagisa, who is being used the most, is incidentally the one's route that's going too fast. Yet the other characters, who hardly get screen time and most are used for much faster paced events (er particularly Kyou and Tomoyo, which is expected), are ironically not paced enough (or rather it's so concise that you don't really get the detail and some of it doesn't make sense)

If there was a pure anime complaint, whatever happened to Tomoya's "romantic meeting the next morning?" Sure it's supposedly Kyou under that context but, where's the "late"?

Although I thought one character would be shafted, turns out to be another (which I thought would not have override or conflicting issues.)

Otherwise it's not that bad considering it is only the start. If anything, a lot already happened, in a way. (And in a way, nothing really happened either @_@)

[Owaranai Destiny]

Tomoyo : "ochitai ka? souka."
Sunohara : "Boku, nani mo kotaette naissu~~~!!!!"

Seriously the best lines of the episode. XD XD

Agreed. ;) It has to be the way she said it so nonchalantly, in contrast to Youhei's feelings of having his butt in the chute.

[Mirrinus]

That was a pretty funny episode, the humor definitely picked up from the previous one. Overall, I think I actually kind of like this fast pacing, although I don't know how they're going to transition into each character's arc, seeing as that would probably ruin the momentum. Still, it's a very fun ride, and for a person who hasn't played the game, I can't really produce too many complaints about it.

[cshard]

Oh yeah, that reminds me....

Wonder how Akio's gonna react to Nagisa collapsing thanks to her waiting for Tomoya. XD Of course it'll probably be a serious moment rather than a funny one, but hell, Tomoya's SO gonna get it from Akio.:heh:

[anselfir]

ah damn i wanted to vote 9

;_;

[ayako]

Don't really have much to say, but I just wanted to put in some brief thoughts, hahaha.Even though I haven't played the game, I do agree with Sushi-Y in regards to Tomoya's behavior. He really doesn't seem like the kind of person people would consider a delinquent. If anything, he seems like a normal guy who just skips school once in a while. He's actually quite friendly and surprisingly helpful.

Seems like it'll be more believable than Kanon when it comes to romance. Sure it's only friendship at the moment, but that's pretty important in developing interest. And by believable, I mean that it won't cause me to go WTFBBQ regardless of character preference. XD Then again, they kind of have no choice because of the storyline and the amount of episodes they have to work with, hahaha. Although Nagisa's not my favorite character (not that I have much to work with besides spoilers), I find her to be interesting and somewhat easy to relate to, which helps. I think Tomoya would be naturally drawn to Nagisa because she is surrounded by loving parents and such, which is a contrast to his own situation.

That dango scene was pretty cute. I find it hard to believe that someone would be willing to go so far for someone he just met, but it's cute nonetheless. Dango, dango, dango~ I'm starting to really like the song...

Something that I've been wondering about since last week--Ryou said something about encountering a girl and being late because of that, right? I was wondering if what happened with Kyou was the result, but he didn't turn out late...hmm. That and the timeline seems messed up. Guess I thought too much of it? XD

Seeing some quotes in the thread reminds me of something. Why does Sunohara use "boku"? I don't mean to stereotype, but I thought he'd be more likely to use "ore." How curious...
Well, that's all there is on my mind for now. :O Besides that, fun episode. I love it when it's the next week because of these episodes, but I hate how it means deadlines are approaching for schoolwork. XD

[houkoholic]

Just a note, being a conformist society, it doesn't take much to be labeled as a delinquent in Japan. Tomoya is a little kinder than what he is in the game, but he's still more or less a delinquent in the eyes of Japanese society - since he is neither studious nor is he involved in any clubs, so in essences he is not contributing to the society, hence he is a delinquent.

As for why Tomoya is attracted to Nagisa, it shouldn't be too hard to see that it's because Nagisa is quite femine in the traditional sense. Notice how in episode 1 that when Akio and Sanae where talking, Tomoya's attention was focused on Nagisa cooking in the kitchen - a very motherly thing. And when he was eating and Sanae offered to refill his bowl of rice etc it immediately caught his attention, these are little things which is supposedly/stereotypically etc what a mother would do in a family. Combined with his own background (his mothered died and his father is a wreck) it should be very obvious what he is looking for - he is actually (currently unconciously) attracted to them due to them fullfilling his desire for a motherly figure, which I must add none of the other "potential candidates" thus far shown in the anime can provide - Tomoyo and Kyou are too masculine and over-powering, Fuuko is childish, Kotomi is just weird, and Ryou is a normal girl of the same age.


Also I don't know why people, especially game players, are worried about Kotomi and Fuuko's arcs being shafted. Since those two arcs are not romanced focused as well as heavily involves Nagisa in the first place as Nagisa also befriends them - and this is canon material, not like the Ayu mix in in Kanon 2006.

If anything, people should be worried about Kyou and Tomoyo.

[sellchest]

No wonder Tomoya is kinder....The anime goes very fast...
a little bit astonished to see that Tomoya's smiling face so early....

[Lilith]

Ep 2
It was good. Fuko gained my liking, her *_* state was so funny and cute. :D

Thanks houkoholic. I'm ashamed to never thought of it this way...

[Grimkill7]

"Fujibayashi Kyou in Class E is bi!" I LOLd so hard to that line.

From what I have seen, Sunohara is my favorite character so far. He is just so stupid that he is likable. And his interactions with Tomoyo are the best.

Nagisa seems to be getting a large amount of attention considering it's only the 2nd episode. Hopefully every girl will get her fair share by the time Clannad wraps up, though I have seen otherwise before :uhoh:.

The girl with the knife and wooden star (don't know her name) is really cute. Especially her basketball miming :heh:. Does she have the same seiyu as Makoto? They sound so identical.

Did anyone else feel really bad for the dad after he tried to help with the dango? His faced looked so pitiful it really bummed me out. Then of course, my sympathy for him is killed when we find out that he injured his son's right arm in an act of fatherly abuse, thus crushing his dreams of playing basketball :upset:.
All in all, I really enjoyed this episode. It had both its ups and its downs.

[cshard]

I'm sort of wondering if Ryou's fortune telling was merely a red herring, or maybe just out of sync with actual events. XD

I seem to recall hearing that:

Her fortune telling isn't that good when the game first starts.

In a way it already happened... not the following day but the very morning the fortune was told after all. XD

Regarding Tomoya's dad, the guy really looks like he's given up all but the slightest hope of ever being involved with his son's life. It's a pretty sad situation for both of them imo, not just for either Tomoya or his dad.

Btw, I seem to recall someone mentioning that most in-game scenes with Kyou actually have Sunohara involved... wonder if we'll eventually see Kyou vs Sunohara, or even better... Sunohara vs Kyou - Tomoyo tag team like in that one Newtype Magazine picture. XD

[DazarGaidin]

Good episode i thought, i was definitely laughing. I think the dango are cute too :)

I did get the feeling of being rushed, and the girls are hard to keep track of, especially the 50 purple haired ones (ok thats an exaggeration). I seriously thought the genius girl was the fortune teller girl for a few minutes and was kinda confused. lol

I was thinking the bike girl ran into him on purpose cause she knew about that prediction. And do we really know if he was late or not? He might have been late and they didn't emphasize it or something.

Yes i realize i need to learn their names :P

PS: Whats up with the Ayu knockoff girl? lol

[toxic_trance]

I think the prediction of Ryou for the meeting with the girl refers to Tomoya's meeting with Nagisa. I think The part of Episode 01 which has Sunohara getting beaten up...and Kyou' introduction actually takes place a day before the meeting with Nagisa.

Neway..that is just a hypothesis. It definitely doesn seem like Kyou has any feelings for Tomoya ATM.

BTW...The line that Ryou tells.. "Otome no Inspiration" ...could it be that the directors got their English wrong since i think.. "Otome no Intution" makes more sense. Although Intution sounds complicated..it makes more sense since Women are supposed to have a good intution

[Ascaloth]

You know, the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of Tomoyo's new "528-hit" combo. I mean, from the studio that brought us the "Kaname pWning Sousuke" scene in FMP! TSR 13, and the awesome "Asakura vs. Nagato" battle, it almost seems as if KyoAni's planning to cheap out on executing Tomoyo's fighting scenes, by distracting us with numbers so they don't have to blow the budget on characters flying around. Sure, Ep 01's Tomoyo fight scene was well-done as always, but if KyoAni's going to resort to the same "Lambda Driver + 4-digit hit counter" effects for every Tomoyo pwning Sunohara scene...

Of course, I have to recognize that even KyoAni has a budget to adhere to, so as long as I get one or two kick-ass Tomoyo battle scenes, I'll be happy enough to keep quiet on the issue.

[Phoenix14]

Loved it. Tomoyo is my favorite out of all the girls.

[Vestus]

I'm so glad this anime came out after School Days. It really helps my depressed/emo state that I got from School Days.

Edit: My favorite so far is the Genius Girl. A quiet girl with brains to boot? Just wow....

[MingShun]

Kotomi kind of reminds me of Natsume from Mahoraba. Her emotional impact isn't as strong yet, but she's still likeable.

[edit] So far, I like Kyou the most though.

[sapphirearcz]

This episode have its sad and funny moments. Especially the Bi joke. Now I understand why is Tomoya hate his father so much, what a terrible dad.

But I really wanna see more detailed scenes of Tomoyo flashy kick moves! Instead of a 528 hit combo =.=

[amoirsp]

That motherly figure note definitely slipped my mind. I always thought Nagisa was the main because she immediately featured/contained things that Tomoya lacked/wanted/was missing (oh wait, that's kind of the same thing). Like, at the start he hates the town, but Nagisa loves the town/school. Tomoya's family situation is grim, Nagisa's family situation is relatively happy. Oh and same vice versa, where Tomoya has things that Nagisa lacks (um confidence/support from school I guess, and other things).

Random note: Vestus, there's also another character feature. ;D (whether or not kyoani decides to emphasize that or not is yet to be seen, or they might truncate it. Either way, it's not significant in terms of story by any means.)

Fuuko and Kotomi aren't having shafts per se, particularly since only introductions occur. The oddity I found was how merged they were when they can co-exist in the scenes showed without that much merging. Well, Fuuko's wasn't really changed, just a lot more additives by putting earlier emphasis that might be misleading. Kotomi however, well I suppose the switches are minour, just that I'm guessing even if someone is famous doesn't mean you met the person. So in that instance, it's more or less the same.

This didn't occur with Kyou and Tomoyo because for the most part, it's similar enough (though still chronologically weird). Though none of their scenes were that merged with anything else. If anything, it's independent enough since the scenes were isolated enough to be clearly revolved around them. Then again these earlier scenes are likely more on the entertainment spectrum. It has some relevance, but nothing particularly drama oriented.

Now yes in terms of routes, Tomoyo's and Kyou's would still have the most potential issue, also due to the fact that they're the most scene-event oriented girls not named Nagisa ... meaning that not using their routes would make more sense, but the Kyoani equation is most likely use just about all the routes. The context would have to be adjusted, but Kyoani also uses images similar to the CGs, meaning a CG from the game is likely going to be used. The thing is, the overall idea can still be executed, it'll just seem very weird because of the co-existing facts. Though right now, the scenes, whether or not they were emphasized or not really used, doesn't really matter too much. They're ironically efficient, but there's no drama output either. So yes, the beginning half can be screwed around with, where the latter half is where the oddity/issues enter.

The only thing I could think of that makes Tomoya (un)reasonably go into other routes with such high Nagisa emphasis is if she was out of the picture (faint/sick), but that wouldn't make sense since priority would probably be taking care of her, not running another girl's route. So just the transitions right now seem screwy, and I think it's worse than potential route shaft.

Well, I keep saying overall idea, because Kyoani at least maintained that. And their additives/adjustments seem to be implemented to induce better flow (considering how all the first person narration stating descriptions of locations intended to go to are more or less all truncated).

And the 528 thing, I tried counting the number of kick sounds produced, but it's so fast I can't tell if it was 66 or not. Well, likely not, otherwise the kicks can't produce odd numbers. Well it takes out the 64 play. Not the most significant thing, but it certainly was a feature. What's left? The story, and that's where it gets complicated.

I still think the transition into the drama might be a bit weird (except for the case of Nagisa). I guess you can still generate the drama, then truncate any romance components (or retain them but discontinue it). The thing is, Nagisa's route is being ran, which is fine, but how would the transition into another route work? It's like why would Tomoya not be spending time with Nagisa (considering right now priority is displayed in all ways)? The only thing I can come up with is "out of commission" (aka hospital, like in kanon, in many ways), but when and why wouldn't make much sense.

Original content will have to be implemented somewhere. Already some of it has oddly been used (or just complete variation, since some of the scenes might be based on the manga or the another story novel, but I didn't look deep into either of those.). But I'm anticipating something will be different. It might solve the route problem issue, but if the original content is worse than just forcing it in, then that's no good.

I tend to forget a lot more will happen. Like, if you think of certain events/routes, if you count each as one, that could hit a number like 10 with ease (5+ being a girl's route, and from the OP you can already say two characters have not even appeared.). Something is bound to get truncated or omitted, or maybe anime time is a lot faster than I think it is.

Though seriously, I can't even guess which route would be first to be used, and which comes after that. Likely the routes won't co-exist in drama-zone.

(Oh well I thought the chronology was weird since they said the rainy day was a Saturday, which in a sense it was, but that guarantees the next day should ideally be a Sunday, meaning it is not school oriented, hmm. Oh wait I forgot each episode runs about two days each lol.)

[FireChick]

I finally saw episode 2! Tomoyo PWNED Youhei again! Haha! And the dictionary flew out the window again! Too bad I didn't laugh as hard when that happened. Oh no! Nagisa-chan!

[-KarumA-]

djuuh, this show is going on the top of my season favorites =3
omg Tomoya father hate ftw

[houkoholic]

To me though, I don't think the chronology of the event is even important, especially with matters as little as when Tomoya meets the girl. For me, the theme of the material is way more important, and changing some events in order to accomodate and/or achieve a better flow of story I can accept with no problems.

[spoiler removed by a moderator]

As a gameplayer, I always view that Nagisa and Tomoyo were the only ones that were actually the right partners for Tomoya, not only character/personality compatibility wise but story wise as well. But since Tomoyo's story is not entirely contained within just Clannad and is continued in Tomoyo After, I don't mind they just focus on doing Nagisa.

[Proto]

You know... it's only episode 2 and I'm already getting tired of people comparing the game to the series. Dunno, I am playing the game as well, but I don't feel compelled to complain for every script letter, comma and point they left out. Maybe you should do something akin to the Claymore forum, and ask for a Game ventilation thread so that you can vent all your frustration there, without running the experience for all the non-players. I think that would be healthier for everyone.

[DanielSong39]

This episode was a real mixed bag for me; the show has a ton of promise and I have the feeling that it will eventually produce some top-notch drama - but I just didn't enjoy the episode for a number of reasons.

Quick impressions:

I thought the pacing was uneven. The transitions between comic and dramatic scenes were really jarring.

Comedy continues to be hit-and-miss. Kyou is good for a chuckle, but some bits were real head-scratchers.

Too much time and effort is spent upping the moe-meter; I'd prefer to see the characters fleshed out a bit more.

I was looking for a bit more backstory on Tomoya's past - definitely one of the key points of the show. Without it, the transitions seemed a bit abrupt.

Overall:
Though I was disappointed by the second episode, it showed enough flashes to encourage me to continue. Tomoya's issues with his dad, as well as Nagisa and her family, make up the real meat of the show and promises to provide some gut-wrenching drama. Add in Nagisa's terminal illness (just a guess, but this IS a Key adaptation), and I think this could turn out to be Kyoto Animation's best work. But there is still the matter of execution - and I'll just have to wait and see.

[seiji_kun]

I'm so glad this anime came out after School Days. It really helps my depressed/emo state that I got from School Days.


I feel you theire, tho I rather was pissed how they turned the promosing start from SD to a repulsive end. All tho I'm expecting enough drama in this show to get depressed if it follows the lines of Kanon. I'm one of those lucky people that haven't played the game so everything is still fresh to me.

9 for this episode, the 500+ hit + bi scene were hilarious and the ending of the episode was great to bye leaving us with such a cliffhanger. It made me understood immediately why he was just roaming a round town in episode 1 in stead of going home. I wouldn't want/be able to spend much time in the same house either with a father who took my sportsdream away.
Gonna be some enjoyable weeks now with Clannad & Shana, two shows I was looking highly forward to :).

You know... it's only episode 2 and I'm already getting tired of people comparing the game to the series.

Ditto

[Deathkillz]

This episode was a real mixed bag for me; the show has a ton of promise and I have the feeling that it will eventually produce some top-notch drama - but I just didn't enjoy the episode for a number of reasons.

Quick impressions:

I thought the pacing was uneven. The transitions between comic and dramatic scenes were really jarring.

Comedy continues to be hit-and-miss. Kyou is good for a chuckle, but some bits were real head-scratchers.

Too much time and effort is spent upping the moe-meter; I'd prefer to see the characters fleshed out a bit more.

I was looking for a bit more backstory on Tomoya's past - definitely one of the key points of the show. Without it, the transitions seemed a bit abrupt.

Overall:
Though I was disappointed by the second episode, it showed enough flashes to encourage me to continue. Tomoya's issues with his dad, as well as Nagisa and her family, make up the real meat of the show and promises to provide some gut-wrenching drama. Add in Nagisa's terminal illness (just a guess, but this IS a Key adaptation), and I think this could turn out to be Kyoto Animation's best work. But there is still the matter of execution - and I'll just have to wait and see.
I agree -

Some of the scenes just seems a bit too fragmented for me which ruined some of the pacing. There isn't a good flow connecting one scene to the next (and sometimes I even wonder if we are on the same day :heh:) - yea the jumping is bad >.>

*nods* on the hit and miss humor.

I duno about the moe meter. Nagisa is getting a tonn of development while the others seen to have the role of supporting or to provide more of an interesting story. I am disappointed that the series seem to be heavily biased towards nagisa atm but then again this was the case with kanon - Ayu was introduced early but her story wasn't completed until the end. Hopefully we will have more tomoyo seen as her screen time is painfully short ;__;

Tomoya's story is indeed tragic. I now understand why he hates his dad so much but still think he is a drama queen :p (bad joke :heh:). He is a totally different person at school which is a interesting point to pick up though. He is the type who chooses to supress his own feelings and to help others when he in fact probably needs the most help - this is going to be nagisa's role i guess :rolleyes:

[harukamae]

I'm really enjoying this show so far. I'm getting the feeling that the transitions in scene and pacing is a little off (felt it more in episode 1 than here) but still, love the music and the animation, looking forward to how the series turns out (and trying to keep away from the game threads so I don't spoil myself like I did with Higurashi!) Oh yeah and Tomoyo FTW!

[todkapuz]

Unlike Air and Kanon, I don't have nearly as much fore-knowledge with Clannad ... so it is weird coming into the key peice with such little pre-conceived understanding of what is going on...

true to Kyoani form the post OP sequence was amazingly beautiful... even if it is 4x3... (I guess I'll find a reason for that elsewhere) ... the kicking scene was no nagato... but i think, so far, it seems to fit better with what I've seen in the first episode... there were some really cute introductions... although they do seem too fast at this point... the "key" notebook was a nice touch though... I did love the whole "kore desu ka? kore wa ... daisukina ... desu ne...." scene... with the whole dribble and shoot... :) the perfect part was when Furukawa-san said "but you came." point-set-match... the raindrops on the lens at the end were a good touch.

I dunno... it hasn't quite hooked me like I would have expected.

[Daniel E.]

I see that some people are already hanging Tomoya's father and labeling him as an evil bastard; Yet, we only know that he and Tomoya had a fight some time ago.

Maybe the whole incident was an accident, perhaps it was Tomoya's fault. We just dont have enough info to say who is to be blamed for the already mentioned fight.

[Klashikari]

^ Things are that Okazaki-san was a alcoholic and gambler much before this accident.
Tomoya's mother died when he was little, and his father became like this thereafter.

Chances Okazaki did this are really high, considering his alcoholic status, but also how he is trying to "befriend" his son, while Tomoya is very hostile.

that said, "evil" is quite too much as it is clearly not intentional considering Tomoya's explanations.
This accident can happen with any father, yet, this gets more emphasis due the near letargic attitude of the said man.
Considering how he is acting right now, it is too far fetched to condemn him.

[Westlo]

Yeah Tomoya could've snapped and attacked his dad who while trying to defend himself injured Tomaya's shoulder. Let's wait until we see the actual event (which I'm sure will happen) before we hang his dad. I'm guessing Sunohara doesn't know seeing how Tomoya's first clenched up while Sunohara was talking about how Tomoya doesn't do club activities, because they make him want to puke?

Anyway 9/10, would've gave it an 8.5 if possible.

[Quakis]

Nagisa, Kyou, Tomoyo, Fuuko and Kotomi! Got to love them all <3 Just from the design of Kotomi I started to like her, and now for this episode I like her even more - really reminds me of Natsume of Mahoraba which was my favourite "character" of the entire show. Fuuko is very childlike and adorable, just want to cuddle her, same with Nagisa. As for Tomoyo and Kyou, both cute and awesome which works so well... I hope I don't get obsessed with them like I already have of Aruruu :p

As for the episode itself, another decent viewing. The "bi" scene, Tomoyo hit-combo scene and information on Tomoya's past were great highlights. This could end up being the best new series of this season for me (not including sequels)

[Deathkillz]

How did his wife die again? If it was his fault there could be a chance that tomoya fought him because he blamed him for his mother's death, but that seems unlikely.
I would say that tomoya tried to get his dad out of his drunken state which ended in a scuffle where tomoya might have been push to a wall (or any other hard object) thus causing the injury. The dad now seeing his son like this stops being a drunktard but is still unable to get onto his feet to become a normal man again (well that is still better than being drunk everday O.O).

[Klashikari]

Tomoya's mother died in a car accident.
The thing is Tomoya was very young, and the fight occured during his third middle school year, so basically when he was roughly 14-15 years old.
Considering the time lapse, it is unlikely that Tomoya blamed him for her death, otherwise, his hatred would go in gigantic proportions.

it is very likely that the drunk part has a huge influence in this accident, and the result is what we know.

[Daniel E.]

Chances Okazaki did this are really high, considering his alcoholic status, but also how he is trying to "befriend" his son, while Tomoya is very hostile.

Yeah, this seems to be the safest bet at the moment. Wich is exactly the reason why I feel like giving him the benefit of doubt right now.

Though, if he did injured his son on purpose, I'll be the one buying the rope to hang him. :heh:

[KholdStare]

I gave it a 7/10 mainly because I wasn't impressed with how the story is going. It seems to progress so slowly with unnecessary comic relief. Of course the director might not be at fault, but at the moment the episode as a whole isn't that great. I liked the dramatic ending, so let's just keep it at that. I hope the next episodes will be more to my liking.

[toxic_trance]

I wonder how many 24 episodes actually start off with the story by the 2nd episode. Even though we feel that it is mainly comedy..there is the occasional serious background info and the thoughts about the girl in the other world. In fact the second half of the episode was pretty serious.

I believe that before any serious beginning of any arc...each character should be well established...since people are still having tough time remembering them.

[bubbleslayer]

Really enjoyed this episode. Loved the comedy parts between tomoya and kyou and also not forgetting tomoyo beating the hell out of youhei. Nagisa character and personality reflected myself , a shy and low confidence girl.

[Tsukael]

Clannad is a game?

[toxic_trance]

Yeah..It is a Visual novel by KEY. AIR and KANON were the other games made by the same company

EDIT: Gommenasai for the error >.<

[Ascaloth]

Let's see who's the first person to refute the claim that CLANNAD is an H-game. :heh:

[Kaioshin Sama]

There are no erotic scenes in Clannad.

[mickal555]

Visual novel.

[Joachim]

clannad aint no H-game... lets just say visual novel

[toxic_trance]

Damn...my bad >.<

... But AIR was a H-Game right..as in the original had a limited amount of stuff of the sexual nature??

neway.. I stumbled upon this piece of info. Supposedly KEY made another game called "Tomoyo After" set after CLANNAD and expanding on Tomoyo and Tomoya's relation. It explains more about Tomoyo one year after the CLANNAD Game. Info is available in Wikipedia :)

[Ascaloth]

Yup, AIR did have erotic scenes. Tomoyo After did, too.

[takumi2k4]

Is KyoAni gonna animate Tomoyo After? TBH, I'd rather get a Tomoyo ending right now. Moar Tomoyo plz.

But yeah, great episode, 9/10, not because of the 4:3 aspect ratio like before, but some of it's transitions were off, like I actually got lost in one of the scenes while watching it.

[Sorrow-K]

Without going into too much depth (since I don't have the time... hell, I haven't even read through this thread), the first two episodes of this have shown the beginnings of what could be a very special anime. The characters are amazing and are set up for great drama, the romance is more genuine than I can remember in any other Key anime and the dialogue is even really good (which is something I only rarely say of anime). It's only been two eps, I know, but this second one has made me very optimistic that this will be a winner.

[Ascaloth]

@takumi2k4,

Eh-to, that depends on how open KyoAni would be on animating nude scenes...

*thinks of the twincest scene in FMP! TSR*

But what do I know? When it comes to KyoAni, anything can happen. :heh:

Anyway, I've managed to put my finger on just why Fuuko's introduction gave me such a bad vibe...

The way she was mewling reminded me of a certain Kitsune-Hime...

[toxic_trance]

Anyway, I've managed to put my finger on just why Fuuko's introduction gave me such a bad vibe...

The way she was mewling reminded me of a certain Kitsune-Hime...

Maybe she is a Starfish :heh:

[Nightengale]

Overall good episode. The father-son tension drama was well shown, but the Nagisa scene was imo, felt like Episode 10 material though it's easily ignorable due to the kind of people Tomoya and Nagisa are. :p

However, just like episode 1, there was a feeling of imbalance. In favor of padding up as much as they could, and enrichen the anime experience by having every girl's spotlights, they're semi-destroying the image of Tomoya, the boy who's life is dull because his heart is somewhat closed. It's not bad because the essence of his natural character was still there, but it felt there when it is, and not really there when it is not. A 50-50 compromise for now.

Basically, aside from the dream world which was executed very well and the emotional and parental seclusion of Tomoya's father from his own son in his own sad pathetic world, the atmosphere of Clannad's world and the world of their characters themselves seems to still be somewhat lacking . The character chemistry is nice, but there's still something missing behind that.

[toxic_trance]

Hmm..well..I think Tomoya's character is actually done well. He has a pretty dark and lull atmosphere in his home. A lot of sadness is there inside him. But in school he portrays a different image so that he doesnt become an object of sympathy.

But the nicce and as already told.. the "motherly" nature of Nagisa makes him wanna share his troubles. Brings out his true self.

As for giving each girl equal spotlight is kinda gonna be tough right from the start. From what I see...The rest of the girls are most probably gonna be future members of Nagisa's Theatre Club. And right now...the making of the Theatre Club is priority. Once that is done..I think we will be indulging in the individual arcs more. Remember how Ayu was neglected for many episodes in between inspite of having quite an important role in KANON.

22 more episodes..I think we should enjoy the good times till they last...Cause if this happens to be another KANON..the last three-fourths of the season will make my eyes run dry :)

EDIT: How is it that more people have polled than posted??? I still feel this place is lackin the KANON enthusiasm. Is it the wait for 16:9 release..or what???

[Phoenix14]

I hate how they had to take my favorite girl from clannad and make an h-game out of her.

Tomoyo After would be good if it wasn't a...sex game.

[Klashikari]

as far as the usual VN stories go, Tomoyo after isn't anything remotely "sex game", as it is simply a "spin off" based on Tomoyo's route. The ero scenes added aren't the center of such game.

Before claiming such things, please don't use such prejudice, as eroge VN aren't solely based on it. Otherwise, it would be VERY hard for them to adapt it on the PS2.
Nothing even remotely that surprising, and seriously, this aspect doesn't hurt usual Vn sorty at all... do Air, Kanon, Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime, etc lost their interest because of the mere presence of ero scenes?

That's quite a big prejudice heh... i guess it is time to lessen the "evil aspect" of "ero stigmatization"...

[cshard]

Don't bash Tomoyo After simply because it has ero scenes. Given that it's a follow up from Tomoyo's path in Clannad, and the 2 are actually a COUPLE in the game, it's hardly a mere "sex game" and more like a natural extension of a relationship between 2 young adults in love with each other. And my opinion is that the story in that game, while a bit mushy sometimes, is one of the strongest love stories I've read/played in a while.

Hell, I would find it strange if two people are in a relationship and the topic of making love was never even broached.

My suggestion?

Just skip past the ero scenes concentrated in the introductory section. There's very little by way of ero scenes from that point onwards, and for good reason too. XD XD

[toxic_trance]

K..although I havent played much of H-Games except SHUFFLE..from what it seems..I think..the ero scenes are usually with the girl u end up with..so i dont see what is so wrong with that. Anyway.. Tomoyo After is actually supposed to have a nice story which similar to CLANNAD emphasizes on the importance of Family. So..if u actually concentrate on the story..dont think we will have complaints

[takumi2k4]

Eh, I really don't care about the ero scenes...

I don't know if you know but Kanon and Air were also hentai games, and also animated by KyoAni. But did we see a crow drilling Misuzu or Kyonichi taking advantage over Nayuki's depressed state near the end of the anime?

Nope, none at all.

Hence why it doesn't really matter that Tomoyo After is an ero game, sure it'll be a bonus for the fans, but at the end of the day, it's nothing special. Besides, even if they do decide to include some scenes, they could easily censor it, by panning the camera around the room, or transitioning before the start of it, you know those transitions they do in movies.

[Darklightz]

I"m starting to dislike the series. For one thing while it's cute to have one simplistic girl in the cast, there's already 3 retarded ones. Furukawa, the one in the library and the one sculpting a star. Yet I can't stop watching, since it's a KyoAni series it's bound to get better soon

[Proto]

For me it just makes the series all the more intriguing. I've played the game up to this part so it's not like the introductions are all that different. And still with this CLANNAD is considered the best KEY game up to date. So it makes me wonder what is to follow that will make such seemingly bland characters likable enough :P

[shigure asa]

as far as the usual VN stories go, Tomoyo after isn't anything remotely "sex game", as it is simply a "spin off" based on Tomoyo's route. The ero scenes added aren't the center of such game.

Before claiming such things, please don't use such prejudice, as eroge VN aren't solely based on it. Otherwise, it would be VERY hard for them to adapt it on the PS2.
Nothing even remotely that surprising, and seriously, this aspect doesn't hurt usual Vn sorty at all... do Air, Kanon, Fate/Stay Night, Tsukihime, etc lost their interest because of the mere presence of ero scenes?

That's quite a big prejudice heh... i guess it is time to lessen the "evil aspect" of "ero stigmatization"...


i agree!!
tomoyo after is a scenario type erogame!!


seriously~~
it's like as soon as someone finds out some game's got sex in it they all imagine some game like スクリーミング・ショウ or 先生を調教しよう！ww

key's game are all really special in that you can take out the ero cg with no problem because it's strong points is a scenario / story mode; while it's ero and it's a game there's more game than ero~~
&& hours and hours of gaming means that you're not going to spend that time of yours playing through a 100 scenarios to see an ero scene okay??

[Skyfall]

More often than not, that is the case with most visual novels. They have more than enough story to stand on their own, and the ero scenes are just eye candy (that you may or may not like ,depending on your preferences). I find it rather insulting for the game to labeled as 'sex game' when you spend hours upon hours reading through the story to its conclusion, only because it happens to have one or two H scenes near the end, which don't affect quality of the story anyway.

We have plenty animes made from such games (Air, Kanon, Canvas 2, Wind, Tsukihime, Fate/Stay night, Shuffle, Da Capo, Gift, Demonbane, etc), clearly indicating there is more than enough story to be told. I have no idea why you would see this in a negative light. (Do you even know anything about Tomoyo After besides it being about Tomoyo and having 18+ material ?:))

[KaneDragon]

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Good times. :)

[bullrogg]

i really liked this episode..from sunohara getting owned by tomoyo and the emotional bit at the end. really cant wait until episode 3

[Sinestra]

There will be no bashing of Tomoyo damn it. I thought her 528 Chun Li lighting leg impression was pretty good. :D however i did enjoy Tomoyo's use acquanitence

Crazy anime characters when will they learn that standing in the rain will either get you sick in 10 seconds or a fever that causes you to pass out poor Nagisa. The emotional break down and truth about why Tomoya no longer plays basketball i thought was really well done Nagisa fainting right after that added to the emotional draw.

I dont think i needed to mention the bi scene I mean she asked for it she not to say bicycle he had to come up with something, i thought poor Ryou was going to cry.

Seriously we need to send Sunohara to some kind of research institute. His bones are either made Adamantium or he must get his super endurance from Naruto and Keiichi combined. That was so punishment he took i know this sound bad but the fact that he wont even back down from a girl made me like him even more even if he keeps getting his ridden like a whore on the docks

[Master Chibi]

I hate how the main character can walk up and just talk to the girls he's never met like he's known everyone of them for 40 years in a past life.

I hate how contrived and forced everything feels.

I hate the character types that have popped up already.

And yet I don't fucking care somehow because I'm enjoying it. I don't have a fucking clue as to WHY, and I don't know a lick about Clannad, but I expect it'll go down some stupid ass pysycho-babble road where one of the girls is actually the ghost of an alien who lost a bet in Scrabble or some shit, and yet I'll stick around for the ride.

At best, I hope :3 gets together with gray haired ass kicking girl.

[Matt Soulblade]

The main character can walk up and just talk to the girls because he doesnt care about the consequences. And he has a lot of free time, in fact, that why he was helping Nagisa, he has absolutely nothing better to do. And lets not forget he's kinda rude.

Impressions about the ep... well, the rain scene kind of destroyed me. That alone, deserves a 10.

[orion]

I agree with Matt_Soulblade. At this point, Tomoya is slightly invested in Nagisa and doesn't care too deeply about how the others see him except maybe Youhei. He is pretty rude so walking up to a strange girl and taking away a knife may be nothing to him. Plus, he does have a rep of being a gang member.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

In my opinion, this episode was much better than the previous episode.
There was more...uh content with the other characters and we got two new characters introduced in this episode...I'm still learning their names, so I don't really know whose who though.:heh:
Although there seems to be some kind of past relationship thing with Tomoya and his father...and why he can't shoot a basketball anymore ever since middle school days. (that scene was a shocker0_0.
Tomoyo kicking Sunohara's butt was funny and I liked the hit counter on the side. She sure can fight...I wonder if at the end of the series, Sunohara finally gets back at Tomoyo.:heh:
Great episode though and I'm finally getting the whole theme of "Family" in Clannad.

9/10
Can't wait for next week's episode!

[cshard]

@orion : Tomoya may be delinquent, but being a gang member is probably inaccurate as a description. Perhaps a better term might be truant? His own dislike of seeing his dad became so self-destructive probably played a part in his decision to take the blade from Fuuko. That was a rather self destructive "hobby" after all. XD

@Master Chibi : Much as it is hopeless, I'm also rooting for Tomoyo to either get her game-anime adaptation or maybe even be the chosen girl. However, Clannad is pretty much a story about Nagisa, and much of the story wouldn't make sense if Tomoyo suddenly became the main girl. Bummer.

Let's just cross our fingers for KyoAni to do Tomoyo After once they're done with Haruhi season 2, eh? Even a 13 ep series would satisfy me, although there's possibly enough story to cover for 24 eps.

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It's always nice to see interaction between characters that isn't one sided. Kyou WAS asking for it after all, and she did nearly break his leg that morning. XD Tis' only fair that Tomoya get his revenge in some way or other. Does Ryou's sniffling away count as near tears, or in tears? :heh:

If Tomoyo's Combo counter has suddenly hyper accelerated from the game, I think Sunohara will soon break many, many records for body endurance in the episodes to come. XD If they go the way of the game and increase the combo count by 8 each time, does that mean that each new attempt will net an additional 528 hits? Scary.

Curious question... Kotomi is voiced by Noto Mamiko right? Didn't bother to check ANN or Wiki yet, but pretty sure I recoginsed that voice. Kotomi didn't make much of an impact on me yet though, but hopefully she'll get a stronger showing later on. I kinda like her character design next to Tomoyo and Kyou.

The kawaii meter was about to break when Fuuko appeared on scene. Seriously, besides the Ayu vibes practically shining from her, she's as cute as a puppy, but airheaded characters aren't usually my type. At least her background story is solid, but I hope she's not going to be breaking the kawaii meter too often. That stuff's expensive. :heh:

I suppose Nagisa's tendancy towards some melodrama might be thanks to her Theater Club affiliation, but plot wise it's reasonable, and the scene was pretty moving. I still very much prefer happy Nagisa with her family though. XD She's beginning to catch my interest as a character, even though I prefer a few of the other characters much more.

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Btw, one last comment to the guy who objected to the ero scenes in Tomoyo After. The story in that game is strong enough to stand on it's own WITHOUT the ero scenes, and seriously, the inclusion of those scenes are actually complementary to the story, as opposed to being the purpose of playing the game.

If you want to talk about ero games that are bad, there's plenty of other ero games out there that are simply all about doing the deed with as many heroines as possible and nothing else. Tomoyo After ain't one of them, so don't drag it there.

[Klashikari]

Curious question... Kotomi is voiced by Noto Mamiko right? Didn't bother to check ANN or Wiki yet, but pretty sure I recoginsed that voice. Kotomi didn't make much of an impact on me yet though, but hopefully she'll get a stronger showing later on. I kinda like her character design next to Tomoyo and Kyou.
Yes, it is no doubt Noto Mamiko. (i can sense Skane's squeeky fangi... i mena fanboy warcry :heh:)

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

Another note about this episode, I really liked the joke about Kyou being a "bi"...hahahah that was pretty funny.
Although thats a pretty strict school...you can't commute to school with a certain transportation like a bike? I guess that prevents thefts in the school though.

[Owaranai Destiny]

I hate how the main character can walk up and just talk to the girls he's never met like he's known everyone of them for 40 years in a past life.

I hate how contrived and forced everything feels.

I hate the character types that have popped up already.

And yet I don't fucking care somehow because I'm enjoying it. I don't have a fucking clue as to WHY, and I don't know a lick about Clannad, but I expect it'll go down some stupid ass pysycho-babble road where one of the girls is actually the ghost of an alien who lost a bet in Scrabble or some shit, and yet I'll stick around for the ride.

At best, I hope :3 gets together with gray haired ass kicking girl.

Without the last sentence, I might have flamed you. :heh:

From what I see, KyoAni will probably stick to the 'original' storyline. You won't see that many complaints about a group of fans regarding how their favorite girl didn't end up with the protagonist, but the world goes to hell if that does indeed happen instead of sticking to the original storyline.

I do hope, though, that Tomoyo After might get an adaptation of its own, perhaps with an 6-parter OVA or something.

[boggart]

Okay... so I couldn't hold out any longer and decided to watch episode 2... T_T

Is it just me or was Fuko's reaction to Tomoya standing next to her a classic moment in its own right? :p I can sense my Fuko-love already!

Kyou is again awesome in her small scenes. So is Sunohara and Tomoyo. Nagisa is just so damn cute! I felt like patting her on the head a few times during this episode too! xD

The drama aspects with Tomoya and his dad are quite emotion-packed. And the contrast between his family situation and Nagisa's is even more evident this time around.

A solid 9/10 once again, due to the stupid fullscreen aspect-ratio ruining my potential viewing pleasure of certain scenes.

[Sinestra]

Yes, it is no doubt Noto Mamiko. (i can sense Skane's squeeky fangi... i mena fanboy warcry :heh:)

I thought fanboy warcries consisted mainly of crying and whinning?:uhoh:

[toxic_trance]

With all this fanbase for Tomoyo..no doubt that she got the privilege of getting a seperate game for herself. Seems like Tomoyism is what shall be following Haruhism.

[niwasatou]

With all this fanbase for Tomoyo..no doubt that she got the privilege of getting a seperate game for herself. Seems like Tomoyism is what shall be following Haruhism.

Haha. I guess I'll go against mainstream once again (formerly Yukiism), and proclaim myself a Kyouist. :D

[toxic_trance]

Well..although I do love Tomoyo a lot..but...I too have a liking for the Fujibayashi siblings. Tomoyism is already rampant. Nagisa's getting enough attention in the Anime. But my fave moments have got to be with Kyou and Ryou. I love Ichinose too. She is simply too adorable. SILENT GIRLS FTW :)

For me in the the end..I think it is gonna be battle between Kyouism and Ichioist :P

PS: Fuko is very cute too..but she just seems like a kid. She hasnt crossed to the fanbase level i think

[sapphirearcz]

I have never play the game before, but up till now my favorite female leads are Tomoyo and Kyou, if only one of them replace Nagisa T_T
but guess my choices will change sooner or later depending on the anime

[Sinestra]

I too have a liking for the Fujibayashi siblings. Tomoyism is already rampant.



You bring up a good point the Fujibayashi siblings are pretty cute they arent geting as much attention as Nagisa and Tomoyo. There really isnt any girl i really dislike just one i prefer over the others.

[Thingle]

I don't like Tomoyo. There is an urge within me that tells me to tear her body into pieces and make her bleed. I find it funny that people make fun of Tomoyo beating up a guy but react with disgust when a girl gets beaten up by a guy. Die Tomoyo.

[Ashlotte]

I like her, but her kicking antics seem kinda out of place with the rest of the show... *shrug*

As for me im all for Kotomi. I don't really know many spoilers about clannad so she's abit of a mystery to me, but the combination of how she acted this episode and her having mamiko's voice was just too much not to love. :love:

[cors8]

I don't like Tomoyo. There is an urge within me that tells me to tear her body into pieces and make her bleed. I find it funny that people make fun of Tomoyo beating up a guy but react with disgust when a girl gets beaten up by a guy. Die Tomoyo.

To be fair, it is self-defense!

[boggart]

PS: Fuko is very cute too..but she just seems like a kid. She hasnt crossed to the fanbase level i think
Then I shall be the founding member of the Fuko-ist Legions! LOL

Seriously, her reactions and talks with Tomoya were so hilarious in this ep! See how fast she ran from him?? :heh:

[toxic_trance]

I don't like Tomoyo. There is an urge within me that tells me to tear her body into pieces and make her bleed. I find it funny that people make fun of Tomoyo beating up a guy but react with disgust when a girl gets beaten up by a guy. Die Tomoyo.

K..someone needs to remind him...Tomoyo never forces her strength on others. And she always makes it a point that it is only self defence.

As for Fuko..I must accept that her scene of running away from Tomoya is a classic..but she still gives this Kid image...so fans wont have their hearts racing when they see her. Whereas Kyou, Tomoyo, Nagisa and Ryou...definitely can make a millions of hearts break and alive in an instant

And Yes...the Fujibayashi sisters formula is really doin wonders. The combination of a Tsundere and a polite girl is definitely awesome..and moreover they are twins. :love:

KyoAni used this formula well in Lucky Star and seems like that has made them perfect in handling the sisters in CLANNAD :)

EDIT: BTW..I till feel there isnt enough support for Ichinose Kotomi... Even with only few minutes of introduction..she made my heart race across the world atleast 4 times >.< . I find her amazingly cute. And the voicing has been done brilliantly too. She just might turn out to be the best silent female ever..Yes..I think she has the potential to beat Mai. She might not know swords..But I m sure they arent very effectve against Astrophysics,, After all..a pen is mightier than a sword :P

[blitz1/2]

Is it me or did Fuko did a little "uguu" when she did the paw thing with tomoya.

[cshard]

@blitz1/2 : Not sure if it counts as one, but sure sounded close enough. XD Either there's no other alternative to express pain with or something, or it's a KA/Key tribute to uguu-chan.

:heh: Since I did play her game before thinking about playing Clannad, I suppose it's natural for me to prefer Tomoyo over the others... But don't get me wrong. I'm also a Fujibayashi shimai supporter as well, and a fast growing fan of Nagisa chan. :D

Fuuko really is adorable, but I don't dig her entire image I'm afraid. I very much prefer characters who can stand, if not toe to toe with each other, then at least have their own seperate merits that they can be independant of each other. Still, her frantic scurrying really makes me want to pat her on the head like a puppy. XD XD The scene was extremely well animated too.

Btw, I'm detecting a number of trollers who seem to be dissing Tomoyo for the purpose of riling up her supporters. Methinks we should not feed the trolls.

For those of you with legitimate issues with Tomoyo's current scenes, remember the words - "政当防衛" . :heh:

[Grey]

Heh. Tomoyo's route translation was the first route I read a few months back. I didn't read any of the other routes after I finished hers because I felt that they would all be disappointing in comparison. Seems like I ended up missing 90% of the story! :heh: Who are all these other characters in the show? :eyespin:

I don't regret it though. I had the satisfaction of reading through Tomoyo's route, and at the same time the 95% of the Clannad anime is new and refreshing. I look forward to seeing more Kotomi genius/eccentricity.

[orion]

Well, I'm in the Nagisa and Fuko corner. :heh:

I'm not a Tomoyo fan. 528 kicks is a bit too much imo. You only need to have one well placed kick to get the message across imo. Besides, violence rarely solves anything imo.

[Satty]

Finally got to watch Episode 2, and I like it. Besides the part when Sunohara's getting his butt kicked by Tomoyo and the whole "bi" part, I liked it when Kotomi and Fuko came up. I actually felt a little bit saddened at the end....

[Mirrinus]

BTW..I till feel there isnt enough support for Ichinose Kotomi... Even with only few minutes of introduction..she made my heart race across the world atleast 4 times >.< . I find her amazingly cute. And the voicing has been done brilliantly too. She just might turn out to be the best silent female ever..Yes..I think she has the potential to beat Mai. She might not know swords..But I m sure they arent very effectve against Astrophysics,, After all..a pen is mightier than a sword :P

There needs to be more smart girls in anime. Ichinose Kotomi has my approval. My housemates and I agree that astrophysics textbooks and multi-variable calculus equations are attractive. ^_^

[cshard]

Well, I'm in the Nagisa and Fuko corner. :heh:

I'm not a Tomoyo fan. 528 kicks is a bit too much imo. You only need to have one well placed kick to get the message across imo. Besides, violence rarely solves anything imo.

Sunohara might want to disagree with you on that "violence rarely solves anything" statment. :heh:

[toxic_trance]

Ah..good to see Kotomi-san getting Support. What could possibly beat Cuteness and Smartness + D-Cup(sure seemed big to me :love:) . And what's more..she even knows how to cook well. This girl is perfect I tell u. And with a sweet voice like that..I cant think of any contender for her. I so want more of Ichinose. SILENT+BRAINY GIRLS FTW :love:

[Ascaloth]

If she's truly that perfect, then she's too good for you. Now sod off. :p (J/K)

[toxic_trance]

If she's truly that perfect, then she's too good for you. Now sod off. :p (J/K)

>.< uguuuu~~~ >.<

:P

[boggart]

I would like one of those starfish that Fuko carves so meticulously... :upset:

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

I wonder how long it took for her to carve that star out...
it probably started out as a small piece of log...and then it started to shape itself, judging from her wounds on her hand, she's been doing that for quite a while.:heh:

[shigure asa]

Ah..good to see Kotomi-san getting Support. What could possibly beat Cuteness and Smartness + D-Cup(sure seemed big to me :love:) . And what's more..she even knows how to cook well. This girl is perfect I tell u. And with a sweet voice like that..I cant think of any contender for her. I so want more of Ichinose. SILENT+BRAINY GIRLS FTW :love:

here's a contender if there ever was one: fujibayashi kyou!!
→ erokawaii style / headstrong toughness / class representative / good cook
→ she's the girl you'd love to have as a friend and something more
is there any guy out there who wouldn't jump at the chance to get hit by her bike??

[Ascaloth]

here's a contender if there ever was one: fujibayashi kyou!!
→ erokawaii style / headstrong toughness / class representative / good cook
→ she's the girl you'd love to have as a friend and something more
is there any guy out there who wouldn't jump at the chance to get hit by her bike??

Plus the possibility that she could be a closet "bi-"? :p

[Sinestra]

Finally got to watch Episode 2, and I like it. Besides the part when Sunohara's getting his butt kicked by Tomoyo and the whole "bi" part, .

How could you dislike 2 of the funniest scenes about episode 2?

[Shiroth]

How could you dislike 2 of the funniest scenes about episode 2?
This type of comedy probably doesn't appeal to everyone.

[Owaranai Destiny]

This type of comedy probably doesn't appeal to everyone.

Well, if you've been reading just several posts about the thoughts some users had on the episode, you'll find yourself quite wrong. Some brands of humor just appeal to the masses, while those who don't have different tastes. :)

[Shiroth]

while those who don't have different tastes. :)
Erm, what i said --- that's what it means.

[Owaranai Destiny]

My bad...I'm half asleep here. Just realised what you really meant. :p

Just a question here...What might be happening in episode 3? Apparently the main focus will be on Tomoya and Nagisa, but the previews don't show that much, and while it seems like a 'getting to know each other a little better' episode which develops the relationship between characters more, I'd just like to know what they might possibly be talking about (speculation).

[Sinestra]

My bad...I'm half asleep here. Just realised what you really meant. :p

Just a question here...What might be happening in episode 3? Apparently the main focus will be on Tomoya and Nagisa, but the previews don't show that much, and while it seems like a 'getting to know each other a little better' episode which develops the relationship between characters more, I'd just like to know what they might possibly be talking about (speculation).

You bring up a good point i can fathom in my mind what the hell Nagisa and Tomoya might be talking about after the incident at the end of episode 2. Getting to know each other yea but i have no guesses as to the actual dialog except for maybe a mild scolding my Tomoya about Nagisa waiting out in the rain.

[iamandragon]

Just rewatched the bi- scene for the fifth time.
I just can't get enough of it...

Haha. I guess I'll go against mainstream once again (formerly Yukiism), and proclaim myself a Kyouist. :D
You have my support. I like Kyou too. But I'm not bi- (I just have to make use of this joke here)

[toxic_trance]

Well..lemme see someone beat my Re-watching record...

CLANNAD Episode 01 : 27 times
CLANNAD Episode 02 : 09 times

:D HOWZZAATTT!!! I m thinking that I wanna make the Episode 2 count atleast 11 till 3 comes out ^_^

[Satty]

How could you dislike 2 of the funniest scenes about episode 2?

No, I like them, just that I expected Sunohara's butt getting kicked, and the "bi-" part was only good the first time I watched it...

[iamandragon]

Well..lemme see someone beat my Re-watching record...

CLANNAD Episode 01 : 27 times
CLANNAD Episode 02 : 09 times

:D HOWZZAATTT!!! I m thinking that I wanna make the Episode 2 count atleast 11 till 3 comes out ^_^

Finally someone who admits they re-watch episodes! *shakes trances hands frantically*

[Mugen-Hut]

I can't help but love these girls. Kotomi is looks like she can be a great girlfriend to have and I definitedly love Fuuko. If i were to have a daughter I would like her to be like Fuuko:love:.

to make it more like heaven, having Misao from Lucky Star as her sister to form a heck of a :love:moe:love: combination!

[Proto]

You know... you could make the Spoiler tag of your spoiler box a little more specific as to what you are spoiling :p

[toxic_trance]

Finally someone who admits they re-watch episodes! *shakes trances hands frantically*

Iya~ Hazukashi desu~

But well..my history with Kyoto's works has always been like this. I still occasionally see Ep 01 of AIR. I saw Kanon's Ep 01 atleast 10 times. Suzumiya Haruhi..I lost track..although it is Ep 02 in this case. And now it is this. KyoAni not only know how to do a good work..but they know how to get ur attention right from day 1

[Takuto19]

I agree, i love re-watching episodes of Haruhi Suzumiya, one of my fav animes of all time, mainly because of the comedy heh, love their animation and they know how to do a good anime and get people hooked on them.

Really looking forward to episode 3 of Clannad this week, hope it's good as the previous 2.

[iamandragon]

I've re-watched SHnY for over 10 times already. I have to specify my computer to play the whole series with Windows Media Player (VLC is my default player) so that I can use its 'shuffle' function to have a complete random watch order.
Apart from looking forward to episode 3, please also look forward to widescreen versions.

I seem to be seeing trance around pretty often, or is it just me paying him extra attention?

[toxic_trance]

Oh hell yeah..I m so lookin forward to the wide screen release. The 4:3 was paining me a bit..but hopefully the problem will be soved from this week onwards.

Hoping for more Ichinose goodness in Ep 03 ^_^

[Mirrinus]

True, true, I only just finished rewatching Kanon with my housemate (who just saw it for the first time and loved it), and now we're watching Clannad too. Actually, I'm too impatient to wait to watch it with him, so I watch it first by myself, then rewatch it again later with him, lol.

[Lecrew]

Oh hell yeah..I m so lookin forward to the wide screen release. The 4:3 was paining me a bit..but hopefully the problem will be soved from this week onwards.

Hoping for more Ichinose goodness in Ep 03 ^_^

lol, I'm looking foward for HD widescreen as well.

I didn't want to watch Clannad on SD version in the first place, but when people were mentioning how good anime is this and start to spoil the 1st episode all over around the forums, I was forced myself to watch it. >_<

[boggart]

Oh hell yeah..I m so lookin forward to the wide screen release. The 4:3 was paining me a bit..but hopefully the problem will be soved from this week onwards.
lol, I'm looking foward for HD widescreen as well.

I didn't want to watch Clannad on SD version in the first place, but when people were mentioning how good anime is this and start to spoil the 1st episode all over around the forums, I was forced myself to watch it. >_<
Yay for the masses who want to see CLANNAD the way it was supposed to be shown!

I was initially going to wait for the widescreen releases before watching as well, however my months of waiting had taken its toll and forced me to watch the fullscreen version. Now that I've preordered all the DVDs, I'm not too fussed about the widescreen issue anymore, but it will definitely be worth watching anyway!

I SAY BRING ON OCT 25, BS-i!

[Shadowfox79]

Yay for the masses who want to see CLANNAD the way it was supposed to be shown!


Yay indeed! I also really really REALLY want to watch this on HD, and was also waiting for the HD version, but I heard the good things, and saw screenshots. I just finally caught up, and definately enjoying this.

Loved the High Five moment (as seen on my avatar) and the Bi joke. Ryou and Fuko are now my Favs. in Clannad (though if i had to pick on, probably Ryou).

Also just a side note: Seems that KyoAni shifts from serious/drama to comedy every quarter since FMP: TSR (FMP:TSR -> Haruhi -> Kanon -> Lucky Star -> Clannad -> Haruhi 2nd season)

[iamandragon]

CLANNAD is not too serious like Kanon--even the teary scenes are not sad.

[Shadowfox79]

CLANNAD is not too serious like Kanon--even the teary scenes are not sad.

Sorry, meant to say Serious or Drama , then a comedy. Even though Clannad does have a bunch of laughs or the teary scenes aren't sad, isn't the main genre for it a drama show?

[toxic_trance]

I havent played CLANNAD but I am sure that we will have a fair share of Drama. Its a KEY work after all..and if AIR and KANON were any indication..CLANNAD is sure to make a million hearts cry

[iamandragon]

CLANNAD is the only VN I've ever played where the support character (Sunohara Yuhei) has more lines than anyone else. And with Sunohara being so funny all the time, I'd rather categorize CLANNAD as a comedy. But true the nature of CLANNAD is that of a drama.

[iamandragon]

Just learnt how to use Microsoft Movie Maker, and can't find anywhere I can use it, so I picked 3 of my favourite moments in this episode and made a new clip.

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wmv format file can be found here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/63788395/CLANNAD_ep2_funny_moments.wmv.html

[kohakuslayer]

I loved the 2nd episode because it was simply hilarious. The ending was depressing however.

[Kyuusai]

a.f.k. sneak-attacked and beat every one else to a widescreen release! Much lower resolution, but that's likely how they managed it.

I watched along on the SS-Eclipse widescreen release, though. This episode made MUCH more use of the available space. Watching the previous episode, where most of the important art and action fit neatly into the 4:3 frame, I was wondering if the widescreen releases would be worth it. At this point, they certainly are. It's not just the obvious places, like where Ryou's face was cut off (in fact, it still is, just not as much as it was before), but the whole episode seems far more natural in widescreen. After seeing the content use the entire 16:9 frame, watching the 4:3 release again would be like cutting off my arm.

The raw for this widescreen airing seemed much higher quality. Does any one have any details?

[konstargirl]

I loved the 2nd episode because it was simply hilarious. The ending was depressing however.

I agree. :D This episode is very cute. Like it when Nagisa and Tomoya made Dango's. Wish I knew how to make them. :)

What are Dango's anyway? Are they like Japanese Candy or something?

[Aizu]

Some Dango info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dango).

[Yukinokesshou]

Whoa, just noticed something on rewatching this episode...

Did Tomoya swear in Chinese? :D

Exactly when Kyou's moped crashes into him (3:38-3:39 in the SS-Eclipse fansub), he says "wa-kao"! Usage would be completely proper since its meaning is akin to "holy s***" in Mainland China, and something more vulgar in its native Taiwan =p.

... Or is it a more innocent expression in Japanese, after all? :p

Observation 2

Nagisa's hand must move at warp speed for her to draw almost 50 dango in the time it takes to sing "dango, dango, dango, dango, dango daikazoku". Try it yourself!

[Ottocycle]

Whoa, just noticed something on rewatching this episode...

Did Tomoya swear in Chinese? :D

Exactly when Kyou's moped crashes into him (3:38-3:39 in the SS-Eclipse fansub), he says "wa-kao"! Usage would be completely proper since its meaning is akin to "holy s***" in Mainland China, and something more vulgar in its native Taiwan =p.

... Or is it a more innocent expression in Japanese, after all? :p

Nah, I believe he's actually saying a version of 'otto'(おっと) which is dragged out. It's said when you're actively trying to avoid a mishap in whatever you're in the midst of. In this case it's his life at stake, so he distorted it a little.

I'm quite sure if anything， it's quite far from 我拷。 :heh: