Clannad - Episode 3 Discussion / Poll

[monir]

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[toxic_trance]

ICHINOSE!!!! ICHINOSE!!! ICHNOSE!!!

Cant wait for this episode. Really hoping to see more of Ichinose and also looking forward to the 16:9 Release

[Takuto19]

Oh the 16:9 release is this week? Would be great, hope it's 720p HD heh.

But yeah really looking foward to this weeks episode, can't wait.

[Owaranai Destiny]

ICHINOSE!!!! ICHINOSE!!! ICHNOSE!!!

Cant wait for this episode. Really hoping to see more of Ichinose and also looking forward to the 16:9 Release

Give me one more reason, and I'll probably be chanting along with you. :D

I've got the feeling that the focus WILL be more on the 'other world' and TomoyaxNagisa, though.

[UPR]

I've got the feeling that the focus WILL be more on the 'other world' and TomoyaxNagisa, though.

I don't think that is such bad thing if done right. Though I would like to see more of Tomoyo:p

[Shiroth]

Oh the 16:9 release is this week? Would be great, hope it's 720p HD heh.
Hmm, i'm sure the 16:9 broadcast is next week.

[toxic_trance]

Give me one more reason, and I'll probably be chanting along with you. :D


Taberu???? :p

k..I dont sound Moe enough..but Ichinose does. Simply love her looks and her voice. Although Promos show only Nagisa and Tomoya...I m praying that we have some Ichinose Air time >.<

BTW..wasnt BS-i gonna air CLANNAD in widescreen from the third week..that being this one??

[Nightengale]

This is my chant for this episode.

SUNOHARA! SUNOHARA! SUNOHARA! SUNOHARA!! AKIO! SUNOHARA!!

And it looks like it'll continue next week as well!

That aside, I didn't quite enjoy the non comedy parts of Clannad this week. There was something about it's execution, pacing between scenes and how they were storyboarded that felt... awkward. The integration of content and its transition... in a manner of speech. Otherwise, it was a good episode overall.

[Shadowfox79]

From what I've seen, this episode looks hilarious

Looking forward to more Kyou!! (Major Kyou fan!)

Tsunohara is just everyone's target in this one, might as well put a "Kick Me" sign on his back

[Shiroth]

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5391/01xx5.jpg

Brilliant.

After watching this episode --- no love for Sunohara. ;__;

[Klashikari]

Done with the usual bullet summary

Episode 3: Bullet summary and screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/18/clannad-episode-3/)
Some missing points, but the rest shouldn't be too wrong i guess.

Edit: Screencaps are up now. working on the summary now.

[Cyz]

Screenshots (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/10/18/clannad-03/) of ep. 3 courtesy of Random Curiosity. Pls. look at it at your own risk!
More Fuuko goodness! Oh and this one seem to have a lot of Sunohara abuse

[amoirsp]

Based on screens I will say this. The episode 3 preview from episode 2 completely did not shoot the idea of the episode. What I saw was not what I expected. Not at all.

On the other hand I thought the humour was cut off, instead, it's just in a different episode, since the first two were introduction emphasis. Oh well, I'll ignore anything game related, but I still find the anime's chronology (as an anime itself) weird, but that's likely only due to merging, so it'll pretty much always be there (unlike light novels, which have less alternatives in the same timeline).

[SPOILER]And yes, Miyazawa appears! Though mentioning the name might be indirect spoiler considering technically, one girl in the second episode actually wasn't given a name even though it's too clear who it is.[\SPOILERS]

Alright, time to watch it. Thursdays should always be exciting in this manner.

[Moridin]

I have an idea about the "kick series counter" or what it is called. If I'm not misstaken it ended at around 500 last week, and, this week it started at "500 something". thats atleast what it looked like to me.
I've seen a lot of talk about the 64 kick that she can do, and that Kyoani might be totaly going way passed that since there was even a fourth digit in the counter, but my guess now is that the counter we are seeing isn't the counter for the "kick series she is doing right now", its the counter for ALL kicks from her throughout the anime so far.

[Seska]

I have an idea about the "kick series counter" or what it is called. If I'm not misstaken it ended at around 500 last week, and, this week it started at "500 something". thats atleast what it looked like to me.
I've seen a lot of talk about the 64 kick that she can do, and that Kyoani might be totaly going way passed that since there was even a fourth digit in the counter, but my guess now is that the counter we are seeing isn't the counter for the "kick series she is doing right now", its the counter for ALL kicks from her throughout the anime so far.

I think so, too. For the last Kicks that was to "fast" :)

[Deathkillz]

Is it me or is sunohara the essence of stupidity? :rolleyes:

The guy must really enjoy getting beaten up - to the point where it is starting to get old >.>

"my bread...my bread!!" ;____;

[Shiroth]

The guy must really enjoy getting beaten up - to the point where it is starting to get old >.>
It only gets old if you let it. :p

[Kaioshin Sama]

Is it me or is sunohara the essence of stupidity? :rolleyes:

The guy must really enjoy getting beaten up - to the point where it is starting to get old >.>

Ya Think?!

[toxic_trance]

Well..Sunohara doesnt really enjoy gettin beaten up. More like he just cant accept defeat. He believes a strong person is one who wins a fight. He is a delinquent after all. Well..neway..we ll see how KyoAni habdles this..because this is the only link with Tomoyo for now

[Shadowfox79]

Well..Sunohara doesnt really enjoy gettin beaten up. More like he just cant accept defeat. He believes a strong person is one who wins a fight. He is a delinquent after all. Well..neway..we ll see how KyoAni habdles this..because this is the only link with Tomoyo for now

That, or we can just say he's a stubborn idiot, lol j/k , the guy is pretty funny how he always gets in trouble. Best parts are when he's with Tomoyo, at least he helps her top her max chain of hits. But I think that this guy will have a bigger role to play, as he is the only other male peer to the lead.

[toxic_trance]

Yeah..it would be good if Sunohara had a bigger role than just a Boxing Punch Bag. Infact..what I liked about KANON was that Kitagawa( Kaori's porter :p) was actually of quite a help and wasnt just another average harem lead friend. Neway..but for now..I m just happy seeing his ass kicked :)

[Chewy]

Well I got to see more of Fuko, so I'm happy. Every frame of her is precious since she only appears once each episode. I swear I heard a short uguu out of her... :)

[Decagon]

Hmm. This ep was okay. (Very) Funny, but okay. I guess I'm in the boat with people who want Tomoya x (Someone other than Nagisa).
On the attack:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a106/version10/c3-01.jpg
She had her hands all over him:http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a106/version10/c3011.jpg
Sunohara has seen more panties than we have now.http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a106/version10/c3-02.jpg

[Proto]

Hmm... I think I actually like where this series is going if it is going to mantain the current route. Instead of trying to maintain and go through every sub-plot like almost all the ren-ai adaptations have done till now, they seem to be giving a much heavier weight to the main plotline, maximizing the effort on it instead of dispersing it among all the girls. Obviously, this is only episode 3 so there is nothing defined, but for now this is a big plus for me. (which, considering the sheer length of CLANNAD's whole script, might be for the best).

[Phoenix14]

lol Fuko is awesome.

[Kang Seung Jae]

I wonder when we'll be seeing Tomoyo "proving" she's a girl.....

Or is that over already?

[toxic_trance]

Tomoyo has o prove she is a girl o_O .Is that really that important. More like Sunohara needs to mature as a man and realise that he is better of savin his ass than challenging :bow: Tomoyo-sama

BTW..since I am too scared of being spoilt by seeing the screenshots..can some kind soul tell me if Ichinose was shown in the episode. I badly wanna see more of Ichinose-sama :love:

[Decagon]

BTW..since I am too scared of being spoilt by seeing the screenshots..can some kind soul tell me if Ichinose was shown in the episode. I badly wanna see more of Ichinose-sama :love:

Nope. We get the mono-aohige girl introduced though.

[Leo_Otaku]

Interesting how they put Nagisa with Tomoyo visiting Yukine. Makes him look less like he is going from girl to girl. Yeah the hit counter thing is not fun >.> 64 was hilarious why do we need 500 0_o? The pacing seemed to be good to me I like the joke they kept ^-^

Next week Sunohara focus? Mei?

[Kang Seung Jae]

Tomoyo has o prove she is a girl o_O .Is that really that important. More like Sunohara needs to mature as a man and realise that he is better of savin his ass than challenging :bow: Tomoyo-sama

It's connected to Tomoyo's arc in the game.

[Kaioshin Sama]

I don't know, the comedy, which I would describe as feeling forced (common for this type of show I find) just falls flat on it's face in this episode for me, made all the more frustrating by Sunohara (who is one of the most annoying characters I think I've ever seen an anime recently). Pick up the pacing, drop the slap-stick comedy and the show will probably easily rise at least 2 points on the enjoyment scale for me. Until then, I'm still not particularly enthralled by the cast of characters that I find rather annoying, over the top and unlikable (save Nagisa).

[Mgz]

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5391/01xx5.jpg

Brilliant.

After watching this episode --- no love for Sunohara. ;__;

I lol'ed at the pix.

seems like a funny eps

I promise myself NOT to virut clannad board cuz I know I would be tempted to click and check out spoiler thread >< , I don't want to ruin myself like I did with Kanon but here I am :<.

now I need to be strong and get out asap.

[velocity7]

Best parts about this episode included:

1. Fuuko checking for the knife
2. Cyborg Okazaki
3. Sunohara getting a kick from Kyou in the face, then promptly getting another kick for seeing her panties from the first kick
** by the way, I would consider Kyou's kick stronger than Tomoyo's, as it knocked Sunohara out cold in two hits versus Tomoyo's, which does 700+ hits and doesn't knock him out

[Kinny Riddle]

743 hits - Another new record for Tomoyo. :D

Unless people buy the CLANNAD figurines, Kyou would be the only girl whose panty colours are revealed in the story (light blue). :twitch:

Yoshino Yuusuke, the other hunk in the story besides Akio, gets his impressive introduction. Boy, that sure is one fat cat. lol (Mai Otome had a similar fat cat like that. )

So does a pretty brown-haired lady (which I won't name for spoiler purposes, save that she's voiced by Minaguchi Yuuko, AKA Akiko-san) that turned up in Akio's store to buy some bread.

It's refreshing to see Tomoya, Sunohara and other characters wear other casual clothings. All I ever see Sunohara wear in the game was his white shirt.

It's been ages since I last heard a character played by Enomoto Atsuko. So it's great to see her back as Yukine, the graceful coffee-shop waitress, er I mean, the reference room librarian.

[spoilerish part removed by a moderator]

LOL at Nagisa getting carried away by introducing Dango Daikazoku.

Hibi no Itoma, Disc 1 Track 14 of the CLANNAD OST, gets a new version.

And Fuuko! :love: Her childlike cuteness cannot be described in words. She's on a different level from Nagisa's naive cuteness and cannot be compared.

BTW The preview seems to give the illusion that it's going to be a Sunohara episode...or maybe not. :D

[toxic_trance]

Hmmm..I dont get why so many complaints against Sunohara. I think he is much better than the other harem lead frnds who have no other role except makin some crazy inventions or chasing every next girl or peeking in the onsens.

Even though I havent seen Episode 03..I think he is a very unique character and a great fun to watch.....being annoying is also in a way his character actually. As for the deepening of plot..I think we still need to know all the characters better. I think its better than the normal harem where the girls soften up to the guy pretty quick. Kyo Ani has done quite n awesome job for the first two episodes..lets just put faith in them..and watch this awesome show bloom to gr8ness ^^

PS: This episode aint getting a 10 from me since I heard there is no Ichinose >.>

So much for the big lecture from me :p

EDIT: TWH Ep 03 released ^_^

[darlliu]

seems next ep we'll see "proof" that tomoyo is a girl....XD
and yeah, the moment i heard the girls voice, i thought "why do they have to make this so sad"...but how can one complain....

[tbl]

Someone should tell Sunohara "if at first you don't succeed, try again. Then stop. No sense being an idiot about it."

Tomoya narrating to the cat was great.

[Westlo]

I enjoyed it but it was probably the weakest episode thus far, a lot of spots either dragged or/and weren't funny like the hologram/cyborg joke. Also hope we don't see the Tomoyo kick counter too much.... I did enjoy Kyou's scene.. hopefully she and her sister gets more involved soon.

7/10

[2H-Dragon]

Still too many girls. :O I do like the part where they focus on the main girl.

The high five girl part are the most fun girl for me when the focus isn't on the main girl. For some reason I like her face when Oozaki abuses her. =o

[Ascaloth]

Just watched the TWH-Sprocket sub. I don't know about anyone else, but far as I'm concerned this is the best of the three episodes aired so far. 10/10.

Something I'm not certain about; the ethereal-sounding BGM that starts at the "title scene", and continues halfway through the Furukawa Bakery sequence. I feel like I've heard the same thing in Kanon (2006) before....

Akio didn't get much screentime this time around, but he sure milks every minute of it for all it's worth. :D

And Sanae running out of the bakery; very similar to the one in Episode 1 except for the daylight, and her different clothes. I wonder if KyoAni's found a new way to creatively save on animation budget?

Yoshino Yuusuke.....omoshiroii no hito, ne......I wonder how he's going to influence the storyline? Because he certainly is presented as a character who's important. And that cat. :naughty:

Another thing. Why did Tomoya space out in Sunohara's room, when he was thinking about Yuusuke? There's something about that that I find suspicious.

Fuuko-chan is brain-damaged. No doubt about it. I don't think I've ever met a high school girl who's as lacking on the intelligence scale as her. :\

Another new character: Miyazawa Yukine. I'm sure I've seen her character type before somewhere, but I can't remember exactly.

Dango Daikazoku = ROFL


All these little points aside, what I really liked about CLANNAD so far is the fact that it's so relaxing, just watching Tomoya and Nagisa do ordinary, everyday things together. I would say this is truly what is meant by 'slice-of-life'; certainly it beats watching Yuuichi and Ayu doing the same thing over and over again, if anything. And episode 3 was the best at it so far, hence the 10.

Looking forward to Episode 4!!!

[boggart]

Yay for Fuko! Indeed, her hands were all over Tomoya! But she's so damn cute!

"One! Two! One! Two!"

[panzerfan]

So many things have happened in this episode...
Sunohara is just getting punched and thrown like a ragdoll.

~puhi is something to behold though.

[Itadakimasu!]

Great Episode... it looks like things are beginning to happen, even though the pacing feels slow. Maybe its because I watched Kanon in one (extended) sitting... lol

[Takuto19]

Really good episode, love the part with Fuko, was great, she's turning into my favoruit character along with Tomoyo.

9/10

[Kristen]

A thousand times better than episode two. I was completely shocked when the commercial break came, because it seemed like we had just started.

Yukine was different than I thought she would be. More talkative and active. That's what I get for going into this series without any idea on the characters.

[toxic_trance]

A very sweet episode according to me. Thoughts on this one

- I am loving the Sunohara Comedy. The whole Cyborg and Hologram thing was a classic, Although must accept that the Tomoyo part felt a bit rushed

- Fuko moments kicked ass in this episode. Only if she looked a bit older..I would be her fanboy

- The "Other World" scenes just keep getting more and more intriguing. Tried to rattle my brain a million time..but this time..it just doesnt seem like I can figure out what Key has in mind.

- Kyou's embarassed look was uber awesome... and yeah..her kicks definitely had more affect that Tomoyo's on me this time.

-Botan is too cute ^_^

-Nagisa and Tomoya Chemistry is simply brilliant. I loved the scene where Nagisa waves at Tomoya. Its aklways good to see a reference to a previous episode. You can feel the character Developing

-Do we have another annoying Student Council??? Seems like its another pain Council like the one in Kanon. Well..Mai kicked their ass..So Gambhare Furukawa Nagisa

-The other characters looked nice

-WHY IS THERE NO ICHINOSE :frustrated::mad:

-Overall a nice episode..and seems like we finally have every other character mixing with each other from next episode onwards. So the Plot seems to have started out. This is infact the scary transition part of KyoAni..since they make u really attatched with the characters...and once u move on with the individual arcs..its a real sad and emotional journey

-SUNOHARA ARC..Now that would be an awesome one to see. (Seems like he is developing a crush on our beloved Tomoyo-sama)

Overall Rating-9/10 I aint deducting points for not showing Ichinose.but she better be there next time. And again..>i think this aint the best so far..and that the Best is yet to come..so I guess it is a 9

[dahl_moon]

Just one line (translation courtesy SS-Eclipse): I bet there's a lot of stress to handle, but if it means crying alone, come get me.Tomoya, is that a confession?:D Tomoya sure said a lot of very nice quotes under that tree... I wish I was that smart when I was in high school.

[Kinny Riddle]

Pardon for going slightly off-topic, but when I heard Tomoya's prank on Sunohara about the world being destroyed ages ago and Sunohara's the only survivor after a long slumber, and he's just a cyborg-hologram, I just can't help but think of the Brit sci-fi comedy Red Dwarf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Dwarf).

[OceanBlue]

Yeah..it would be good if Sunohara had a bigger role than just a Boxing Punch Bag. Infact..what I liked about KANON was that Kitagawa( Kaori's porter :p) was actually of quite a help and wasnt just another average harem lead friend. Neway..but for now..I m just happy seeing his ass kicked :)

But it isn't that far into the story to really develop Sunohara to more than a punching bag/comic relief yet. Kitagawa wasn't seen as more of Kaori's friend until a few episodes down the line. It's only the third episode, and I suspect that Sunohara will have something to do with helping to pull the drama club together.

Excellent episode. I loved it, and not much else to say. 9/10.

[sapphirearcz]

Wonderful episode as we get to see kyou doing some kicking ass too..
prays that we can see kyou and tomoyo kicking sunohara's ass together~ 5digits combo counter + books?

[FlareKnight]

Well Sunohara is pretty hilarious so far. Guy just gets smoked a ton in the episode and it was fun with Tomoya playing with him. The hologram part was great and he kept it going on "I'm actually a cyborg." Amazing it kept going for a while with him believing he'd been knocked out for 100 years.

Kyou really layed it on Sunohara as well. First seeing it up with a dictionary that actually hits then one solid kick. Just to make sure his memory forgets that small bit of information hitting him again. Nice little blush for her as well which was cute.

Am curious what's up with that other world. Now the girl isn't quite alone with the guy now inside of the scrap robot. Really leaves me curious what's up with that.

Seems like a troublesome student council. Should be an interesting meeting at least seeing what happens.

[arkxkra]

this episode not bad, both kyo and tomoyo also show their skill, I alway enjoying this part :heh: ...
Looking forward to next episode, i think student council will ask Nagisa to find minimum number of member for the club...
I stil blur on the every episode starting part...

[iamandragon]

A very sweet episode according to me. Thoughts on this one

- I am loving the Sunohara Comedy. The whole Cyborg and Hologram thing was a classic, Although must accept that the Tomoyo part felt a bit rushed
And how many hits was this one?

- Fuko moments kicked ass in this episode. Only if she looked a bit older..I would be her fanboy You'll know why she looks so young later...or not.

- The "Other World" scenes just keep getting more and more intriguing. Tried to rattle my brain a million time..but this time..it just doesnt seem like I can figure out what Key has in mind.
Just ignore it for now. Watch it, remember it, but there's no need to think about it. The moment the truth is revealed is when you'll rushing back to re-view those scenes, so keep the episodes on your hard disk!

- Ryou's embarassed look was uber awesome... and yeah..her kicks definitely had more affect that Tomoyo's on me this time.
That was Kyou, the older sister.

-Botan is too cute ^_^
I'm a big fan of Bo-tan too! In fact, its my favorite character in CLANNAD

-SUNOHARA ARC..Now that would be an awesome one to see. (Seems like he is developing a crush on our beloved Tomoyo-sama)The Sunohara arc, unfortunately, does exist and will show up in the show, according to the OP

Yukine's voice doesn't appeal to me...so does her face. It doesn't look as pure as she is in the game...
Botan animated is cuuuuute! Buuuuuuu-tan~~~~~!

The Sanae bread scene is classic too...but Akio? What's with that slow reaction? Is your love for Sanae that much only?

[Nightengale]

The Sunohara arc, unfortunately, does exist and will show up in the show, according to the OP.

LOL.

In more ways than one, huh? :heh:

[KaneDragon]

Just one line (translation courtesy SS-Eclipse): Tomoya, is that a confession?:D Tomoya sure said a lot of very nice quotes under that tree... I wish I was that smart when I was in high school.
"I mean... because I have a lot of free time"

Does this count as tsundere? :p

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8927/pantiesdt5.th.jpg (http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pantiesdt5.jpg)
@that last frame: Oh noes, did your crush just find out about your panties are? :p

[Skyfall]

Well ... overall i would say this ep didn't appeal to me as much as the previous two. I blame it on the amount of context squeezed in to it, as the episode is very fragmented. I didn't have any complains about scene transitions before, but episode 3 was a tad on the disjointed side.

That aside, i absolutely love Nagisa x Tomoyo interactions - the two have a nice chemistry together. I liked how he took a piece of her bread - aside from being a cute scene, it also seems like a way of his to show he 'accepts' her appologie just to reassure her. Sort of like "i take this and now we are even", since she seemed to press her guilt issue. His "if you want to cry, come get me" was a cute/caring line as well. Not a confession of course, but he sure is 'taking care' of her. Watching their relationship develop is going to be a pleasant ride it seems :) Nagisa having a weak body just seems to be asking for tragedy though.


As much as a moeblob she is, Fuko's childishness (or being absent-minded if you prefer :)) is a bit much imo. Quite hard to believe she is a highschool student at this rate. Oh well - we get a lot of cuteness from her.

Sunohara sure doesn't know when to quite, huh. But he must be an idiot to think Tomoyo must be a cross-dressing guy. Hu well - he got his behind handed to him again. (That side, i don't find the combo counter to be a funny addition. I think the scenes would work better without the counter, as the numbers are getting quite silly). Being as unlucky as he is, he gets to be on the receiving end of Kyou as well. Though i suppose getting a brief look under her skirt must be some kind of a 'award' :heh:

Overall not a bad episode, but i liked the previous two better. The pacing of this episode didn't sit that well with me.

[2H-Dragon]

Nagisa having a weak body just seems to be asking for tragedy though.


Don't underestimate the power of love!!! Love makes the world go round. It will save Nagisa. Love is just that cool.

People stop fronting on Fuko she makes the show better. :O

[Lecrew]

The episode is way better than the 2nd. I must say, I love the part when Kyou started to be blushing herself after she kicked Sunohara in one hit (Ouch, that hurts :O). That was way too cute of her. :D

Anyway, talking about the beginning of the episode. . . What has anything to do with that scrap robot and the small child? Is it a flashback or it's just a dream? There's a lot of mysteries going on here.

[Ascaloth]

Blog post is up.

[RIUVA] CLANNAD (TV), Episode 03 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=771)

[OceanBlue]

I find it amusing that people either thought this was much better than the first two or was worse than the first two. I don't see many posts saying that it was just as good as the other two.

Fear the book.

[toxic_trance]

Well people have their views. Frankly it is tough for me to compare episodes..since I think every episode is contributing in a way to the next. So being interdependent...I don't know how to compare them really

Neway..what I forgot to add in my previous post...Is it me..or Sanae-san (Nagisa's mom) gives me strong Belldandy vibes. Somehow..Belldandy and Sanae-san's delivery of dialogues and body language match a lot

One more thing for which I want to compliment KyoAni is the way they give body gestures and small movements so uch importance.
Example:
- Ep 01..When Nagisa sits on the table..how she keeps the tray on her lap by sliding it down
- Ep 03..When Tomoya moves away to allow Nagisa to sit next to him n the Drama CLub.

All scenes like this give an awesome fluidity to the animation which makes it feels alive in a way. Plus..the Nagisa x Tomoya Interactions are simply awesome. Havent seen a chemistry like this in ages

PS: Iya..sorry for writing Kyou as Ryou in the last post >.<

[Mirrinus]

One more thing for which I want to compliment KyoAni is the way they give body gestures and small movements so uch importance.
Example:
- Ep 01..When Nagisa sits on the table..how she keeps the tray on her lap by sliding it down
- Ep 03..When Tomoya moves away to allow Nagisa to sit next to him n the Drama CLub.

All scenes like this give an awesome fluidity to the animation which makes it feels alive in a way. Plus..the Nagisa x Tomoya Interactions are simply awesome. Havent seen a chemistry like this in ages

Oh yeah, I love those kinds of details too, if for no other reason than the warm and fuzzy feeling I get watching that.

Go Tomoya x Nagisa!

[X207]

good episode. best part of the ep was the post apocaylyptic cyborg joke. i loved his rematch with tomoyo. who does seem to kick better tomoyo or kyou?

btw do you ppl think that the names decided for tomoyo and tomoya were too easily decided? the only difference is a "a" or "o"

[Kyuusai]

btw do you ppl think that the names decided for tomoyo and tomoya were too easily decided? the only difference is a "a" or "o"

Simply having similar names doesn't bother me. What bothers me is that they're that close and their respective vowel endings confuse the heck out of my Spanish-tuned noun gender expectations. :eyespin:

[Xellos-_^]

i normally consider myself immune form moe blobs but that girl who wanted her boxcutter back was seriously moe this ep.

[fuzzles]

man i was hoping sunohara was gonna do so much more instead of a lame trick you joke i saw potentional too : ( maybe they're saving it for later!

[Klashikari]

btw do you ppl think that the names decided for tomoyo and tomoya were too easily decided? the only difference is a "a" or "o"

Let me remind you something: Japanese uses Kanji in several nouns. First and surnames aren't exceptions, and they are even welcomed, because of the sheer amount of subtility you can add.

For the japanese, the same prononciation doesn't hold anything, because what is important it is how it is written.
"Romaji" and so "A" and "O" aren't doing anything for them. They don't choose name on "mainly" the prononciation (except maybe foreign and fantaisits names, as they sound "cool")

that said, when it comes to put the kanji into a "readable" state, we got such things. (that's why in Tsukihime, the translators had to choose a creative way for some characters)

[deathreape98]

hilarious, especailly the hologram+cyborg part


10/10

[Lilith]

Ep 3
Nagisa's daddy~~~ :love:


Tomoya: What kind of play will we be doing?
Nagisa: What kind of play...
Tomoya: There're a lot of genres: musicals, kids' play, modern and surreal ones,...
Nagisa: Really?!
Tomoya: I'm going home.
LOL. Quite a funny episode. :D

It's nice to know there's another bishounen in CLANNAD (this ex-musician guy).

Someone please check Kyou's kicking scene and look for any pantie shot? :p

Last thing: Fuko is so damn cute!

[Shadowfox79]

Finally watch the episode, really liked it, and i ended up watching over and over again the humerous sunohara moments (The two beat ups, the slight blur view after Kyou kicked him, Tomoyo messing with Sunohara that the world is gone).

But really, the cute factor for Fuko is rising up! lol at the training excercise. So far, Fuko and Kyou are tied in my book.

Also, aside from all that, some really nice and sweet moments between tomoyo and Nagisa. I really liked how tomoyo struggled to say if you feel like crying, come to me. Can't help but say "awww" to that.

[boggart]

Does anyone else feel that Tomoya isn't really like the delinquent he is supposed to be?

[iamandragon]

The bishounen is Yoshino Yusuke. He is quite close to some of the older characters (like Akio), and yeah he is cool.

As for pantie shot, all skirts in KyoAni are made of lead, so there's no need to bother checking.

Does anyone notice that Sunohara is screaming all the time--maybe a little too much? Still, funny guy.

[kimchipride]

Far the best and funniest episode so far. I haven't laughed so much in a while. First episode of Clannad that I thought deserved a 10/10. The animations are great as always and the character each individual had turned out to be more interesting. KyoAni, you guys are the best. Hands Down

[Mirrinus]

Button wasn't the only adorable animal in this episode. What about that cat in Sunohara's room? I loved its reactions to Tomoya, lol.

This episode really makes me laugh. I loved that scene where Tomoya pretends to narrate about Sunohara.

[Westlo]

I find it amusing that people either thought this was much better than the first two or was worse than the first two. I don't see many posts saying that it was just as good as the other two.

Well they did a lot of gags in this episode as well as reusing quite a few that we have already seen. If you liked the humor this ep was probably better, if not well it was worse.

Also while I like Nagisa I'm kinda hoping this stops being so Nagisa focused because I want to see more of the other girls, especially Kyou and Tomoyo (without Sunohara being around).

[Kamui4356]

A bit of a let down after episode 2, but still a decent episode and better than epsode 1. I'm really starting to wonder about that girl in the begining though and how she fits in. Needless to say she's really out of place. As much as I like the interaction between Nagisa and Tomoya, I was hoping to see more of some of the other girls. Plenty of time for that later though I guess.

[Ikonomi]

This anime is girl overload. I need a spreadsheet to keep track of all of them.

I started watching Clannad because it's by Kyoto Animation, having only heard of the game in passing. So far, it's a very interesting story, and it seems very deliberately driven. The pacing and the way the characters interact really give the feeling that it was adapted from a game, which could be seen as good or bad, but I find it very enjoyable.

As always, Kyoto Animation is doing a fantastic job. The music is also fantastic. Nagisa's theme that lots of people were talking about finally shows up in this episode. It's great... the Dango Daikazoku song is a fabulous rendition, too. I watched the ending of the first episode like six times in a row. How awesome.

[Ascaloth]

Does anyone else feel that Tomoya isn't really like the delinquent he is supposed to be?

I think you better prepare yourself for houku-dono's next rant about delinquency in Japan. :heh:

That said though, allow me to summarize what I predict houko-dono is going to say next; in Japan, just cutting classes is enough for one to be labelled a delinquent. You don't have to cause any trouble per se.

As for pantie shot, all skirts in KyoAni are made of lead, so there's no need to bother checking.

Bah, you stole my KyoAni Lead Miniskirt Theory (http://www.riuva.com/?p=747), you monster. :p

[Ashlotte]

A thousand times better than episode two. I was completely shocked when the commercial break came, because it seemed like we had just started.

Yukine was different than I thought she would be. More talkative and active. That's what I get for going into this series without any idea on the characters.

Yea I had a similar reaction when the episode ended...I was like WTH thats it? Over already? Booo... :heh:

It was a fun episode to say the least ill give it that. The kick this time around just made me want kyo to make a fighting anime even more...sigh...

Fuko's cuteness almost made up for no Kotomi....almost. :p

Still alittle too much nagisa and abit too little of everyone else though, which is a shame since there's some really interesting characters in this show so far. Heres to hoping they get alittle bit more in-depth with them soon. ;)

[rg4619]

I didn't find the gags remotely funny (and while it was amusing before, the Tomoyo/Sunohara antics have also gotten stale), so this came off as a fairly mediocre episode to me.

The pacing was screwy, and many scenes seemed randomly stitched together. Nonetheless, it was still watchable.

[amoirsp]

Chronology didn't seem as screwed up in this episode, likely being due to "event of the day", "humour of the day", and "nagisa of the day". Now this has nothing to do with the game. Transitions I think were segmented a little better.

Now I think the main plus is what's being set up. You get several new things, all having potential, that are not the same as what was previous as well. On the other hand there's still no direct indication of when anything is going to happen.

And I don't think I laughed at the next episode preview so much before. Maybe that's because it was the raw version when I did that, so I don't get the full context, even though the normal animation throughout the episode speaks very loudly what is going on (that doesn't mean exact context, but the overall idea in whatever scene is very obvious). ... Though I guess having played the game makes it extremely easy to identify which scene it is. Kyoani is good with detail, and that hasn't diminished. Though, the execution of Sunohara humour, regardless of how same or different it is, sometimes can lose momentum, from either repetition or using their fancy antics such as the lambda driver. That execution could be done better I suppose (I wouldn't know how though), but since it caused a good laugh, it's just fine.

Hm I will be curious as to after a certain episode (like 12, halfway), what the "minute tracker" on each girl's appearances is. I vaguely recall the case for that was Makoto (though that might be due to her route being done by then already), but then again, in the end it was likely obvious what ratio. Not significant, though. If anything, the main girl lead should have the most air time anyways.

Well based on preview, there seems to be a certain emphasis. At least in that instance, while certain repetition may occur, it would be less stagnant since it is more sequential and less episodic. In that sense, it would be all out on one spectrum (say, comedy). In other words, I'm expecting to laugh next episode. Though I don't know what actually happens (like how it's executed).

I probably don't find as much pacing screwiness since it was more like first half quick speed later half slow speed. So, it was distributed better in the sense that the ordering made the momentum shift a little better (again from event, to humour, to nagisa).

Well if anything, though the appearances are short for some girls, it's so quick and efficient I say it's a one up only because the overall idea that it is presenting is so obvious that you could watch the raw and know what's happening (perhaps not what is said, but certainly what's happening, such as a giant kick or exertion of high energy). I just call this concision. So even if the relevance isn't that big, it's concise. If anything, the main point of it was exerted.

Despite weird execution, if it sets up whatever they're setting up for and deploy it well, then it'll be fine (though I don't think Kanon 24 was the best momentum off of Kanon 23 lol due to the neutral state based effect).

[Kinny Riddle]

For those that have watched Lucky Star:

Doesn't the four-eyed guy who accused Yoshino Yuusuke of causing a dent in his car look very similiar to the guy who was taking photos off Tsukasa, mistaking her as a Kamigishi Akari cosplayer in episode 16? Moreover don't they both look like the director Ishida Tatsuya himself?

[boggart]

For those that have watched Lucky Star:

Doesn't the four-eyed guy who accused Yoshino Yuusuke of causing a dent in his car look very similiar to the guy who was taking photos off Tsukasa, mistaking her as a Kamigishi Akari cosplayer in episode 16? Moreover don't they both look like the director Ishida Tatsuya himself?
Wow... that was an obscure realisation and comparison... I'll have to dig out my Lucky Star and get back to you on that...

[Teiran]

I have to admit that the same thought sprang to my mind for no good reason.

[Kang Seung Jae]

For those that have watched Lucky Star:

Doesn't the four-eyed guy who accused Yoshino Yuusuke of causing a dent in his car look very similiar to the guy who was taking photos off Tsukasa, mistaking her as a Kamigishi Akari cosplayer in episode 16? Moreover don't they both look like the director Ishida Tatsuya himself?

Now that you mention it.... no wonder I felt a tinge of de jabu during that scene....

[Owaranai Destiny]

....Someone stop Youhei! He's stealing the show away! :heh:

Seriously, he will probably be able to keep the comedy going by himself just by interacting with others.

...With a little of Mr. Gar, perhaps. ;)

As for my thoughts:

-Not really that much of an emphasis on the other world, but I suppose that's normal especially if they are doing a similar chronology in an episode as Kanon 2006. I guess we'll just have to wait as each episode progresses to see how it actually ties in with everything.

-As expected, the episode focused more on Nagisa rather than any other people, but it is interesting to see Kyou's reactions to Youhei's comments. There's something peculiar about it, but I don't know what. Tomoyo's showing disappointed me a little, though. It's like going back to the point where she acts and behaves like a generic 'ice-queen'. The combo hits didn't amuse me, but rather, it was Youhei's monkeying that did it again. Fuuko provided mild entertainment with her antics, so on the whole I was relatively satisfied.

The interaction between Nagisa and Tomoya did provide a few insights into the character of the former. If anything, this episode seemed to emphasize the fact that Nagisa is physically weak, considering that it was talked about twice (Sanae then the girl herself). It surprises me to see how Tomoya seems to be bringing out the good side of his 'delinquent' tag. Perhaps that tag came about after falling out with his father, and it's in times like this when he meets a new friend that he wishes to help her as much as possible. At least that's what his denial about his intentions for helping Nagisa seem to say.

-We've got a few new supporting characters, Yuusuke and Yukine (as well as kawaii little Botan). Somehow or other they will probably be a little more involved, unless someone who has played the game knows otherwise. :p Don't know about the first two, but I'm sure Botan will play a bigger part than I imagined in the Kyou arc (IF they are planning to go the route of arcs, that is).

-No Ichinose, little Tomoyo...Woe to the fanboy in me. :uhoh:

The preview reeks of Youhei, not that I'm complaining entirely. :D What's this about wanting to get on Tomoyo's good side? Considering Kyou's presence in the new Theater Club Room, perhaps she might be one of those new members Nagisa and Tomoya were searching for...I think.

Eagerly awaiting the next episode, but first a rating of 8/10 for me for the entertainment brought by gullible Sunohara Youhei. :heh:

[Skane]

The following is based on [TWH&S]'s fansub.

Random Thoughts on Ep03:
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The animation in the alternate world reminds me of Pale Cocoon (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6352). This is a good thing. If you like philosophy in your anime, I do strongly recommend this OVA. Just remember to engage your brain into high gear before watching it. ;)
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The boy sacrificed a life into the new world? Are we talking about reincarnation here? Who is the boy anyway? Is he a metaphor for something/somebody?
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For that matter, who the heck is the girl in the alternate world? Is she suppose to represent a mother figure? A lost soul?
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Akio is very entertaining. :heh:

"Just so you know, she's not muttering your name in her sleep."
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Was Akio rewarding or punishing Tomoya when he gifted him a bag of Sanae's bread? :heh:
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Will the nameless customer come to hate Tomoya's guts for poisoning her with Sanae's bread?
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How many jokes can one crack about Sanae's bread anyway?
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That is one fat cat...
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When the name Yuusuke came out, the first thing that came to mind was that he was the abominable genetic offspring of Aizawa Yuuichi and Sagara Sousuke. :heh: If only he was called Tomozaku Yuusuke...
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Contrary to popular belief in this thread, the Hit Counter for Tomoyo started from zero. The following image is a frame by frame look at the counter. It starts with a half-formed zero before jumping to ridiculous numbers. Additionally, Tomoyo shows no pantsu. :p

http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/Ep03_Tomoyod9b.jpg (http://imagesocket.com/view/Ep03_Tomoyod9b.jpg)
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I'm sorry, Fuuko-fans. I was wrong, so wrong about her being a mentally challenged girl. How could I not realise the truth earlier?

She's a mentally challenged hamster, or at least acts like one.

Mind you, I jotted down far more demeaning remarks in my notepad as I watched the episode. It is a challenge to describe my opinion about Fuuko while remaining politically correct.

You know how some people want to hug a girl and protect her? Fuuko compels me to squeeze her like a hamster and watch her eyeballs pop out. Her outbursts of anger is like watching a hamster throw a tantrum after you snatch its chewtoy away from it. Absolute Zero threat level.

I don't dislike her per se, but everytime I watch her in action, I get the depressing feeling that Botan probably has more sentient intelligence than her... To put it another way, I am laughing at her, not with her.
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The filter effect in the "future scene" reminds me of something... but I can't remember what.
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"Which was more powerful? Tomoyo's kick, or hers?"

Oh Tomoya, you cad. :heh:
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Raise hands if you immediately thought of Yuki when Yukine announced her name in the 2nd library.
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"The club president makes a terrible confession."

:heh:
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Did the scriptwriters at Key get traumatised by their Student Council or something?

Cheers.

[Owaranai Destiny]

The following is based on [TWH&S]'s fansub.

Akio is very entertaining. :heh:

"Just so you know, she's not muttering your name in her sleep."

Add that with the fact that he was immersed in his own reaction, and you get the funniest father ever seen from all Key animated series...Or was he the only father figure?

Didn't mention it, but that was some proclaimation of love by Akio. Three buns in his mouth. Three.

Will the nameless customer come to hate Tomoya's guts for poisoning her with Sanae's bread?

From what she said, apparently she either loves poison or has an insanely strong resistance against it. :heh:

[Deathkillz]

Naw...he could have fitted three in there :rolleyes:

that has to be the highlight of the ep for me...seeing him talk about his daughter's dream THEN giving that pissed off expression sensing that tomoya is treating him like a fool :heh:

*good job*

[iamandragon]

The following is based on [TWH&S]'s fansub.

Random Thoughts on Ep03:
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[list]
The animation in the alternate world reminds me of Pale Cocoon (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=6352). This is a good thing. If you like philosophy in your anime, I do strongly recommend this OVA. Just remember to engage your brain into high gear before watching it. ;)

For that matter, who the heck is the girl in the alternate world? Is she suppose to represent a mother figure? A lost soul?

Don't worry about it that much--indeed the girl was of great importance, but there's not as much thinking needed

Was Akio rewarding or punishing Tomoya when he gifted him a bag of Sanae's bread? :heh:
Great question...

How many jokes can one crack about Sanae's bread anyway?And here's the answer:
Three.


That is one fat cat...
Still no match compared to my rabbit

I'm sorry, Fuuko-fans. I was wrong, so wrong about her being a mentally challenged girl. How could I not realise the truth earlier?

She's a mentally challenged hamster, or at least acts like one.

Mind you, I jotted down far more demeaning remarks in my notepad as I watched the episode. It is a challenge to describe my opinion about Fuuko while remaining politically correct.

You know how some people want to hug a girl and protect her? Fuuko compels me to squeeze her like a hamster and watch her eyeballs pop out. Her outbursts of anger is like watching a hamster throw a tantrum after you snatch its chewtoy away from it. Absolute Zero threat level.

I don't dislike her per se, but everytime I watch her in action, I get the depressing feeling that Botan probably has more sentient intelligence than her... To put it another way, I am laughing at her, not with her.
Keep laughing, but when the truth's revealed you'll [b]definitely[b] be crying--Fuko's teary factor is ranked #2 in the game(my own ranking)

Raise hands if you immediately thought of Yuki when Yukine announced her name in the 2nd library.
Their names are written differently...just like Tomoyo and Tomoya...but I understand you if you watch subs...now, anyone else who thought of Yuki?

Will the nameless customer come to hate Tomoya's guts for poisoning her with Sanae's bread?


From what she said, apparently she either loves poison or has an insanely strong resistance against it. :heh:

It...it's the later, if you're interested.
Ibuki Kouko

[cshard]

"Which was more powerful? Tomoyo's kick, or hers?"

Oh Tomoya, you cad. :heh:




Hmm... does Kyou count as a power character, with Tomoyo as a speed character here? :heh: If her 2 hit combo (+ 1 finishing move) does the same damage as Tomoyo's 748 (743?) combo.... whoops. In any case, finally, the long awaited Kyou vs Sunohara. Kyou's scene was one of my favs this time round. Pity Tomoyo got so little love this episode, but I suppose she'll make up for it next time.

No fireworks from Akio as I had expected, just lots of self-love. Self-pwnage too. :heh: Definitely high HP and poison resist to survive that many buns at once... but I think Sanae's bread isn't poisonous, merely inedible. Of course if we combined it with Akiko's jam.... O_O

Didn't mention it, but that was some proclaimation of love by Akio. Three buns in his mouth. Three.

I'm pretty sure I only saw 2 buns in his mouth. Where'd the third one come from?

Was thinking if the cat would turn out to be a certain calico... but apparently not. And in all seriousness, Yuusuke would fit in perfectly with the Ouran guys. What type would he be? XD XD

I expect great things from Sunohara's journey to the path of being a pervert. XD Especially next week. XD Wonder if there'll be more focus on Tomoyo or Kyou though, seeing as next week's like an episode of the many lives and deaths of Sunohara-kun but there was that scene in the clubroom with Kyou and Ryou as well... Hmm...

Many tsun tsun vibes from Tomoya's little chat with Nagisa. ^_^ The guy's trying to justify his interest as mere boredom? Wonder if Nagisa really believes him though - I doubt Akio or Sanae do. XD

Fuuko still reminds me of a cute little puppy. Does the star wood carving count as a toy that was just retrieved? XD Wonder if she'll start getting more serious later though... I really need to get around to playing her route.

Bo-tan's pretty cute, but Sunohara's antics before grabbing him were kinda freaky if you ask me... especially that weird giggle/cackle he made. -_-' Made me feel like something REALLY bad was going to happen to that poor boar. Speaking of which, is Bo-tan's name botan, as in the flower, or Bo, with the tan suffix attached? In which case, what does bo in this case mean?

I wonder... if that area that Yukine was tending to wasn't a library... why were Tomoya and Nagisa doing there in the first place? Can't be that they were just randomly wandering about and came across it by accident...

Nagisa-chan... Dango Daikazoku no otaku wa shiranakatta... :heh: And Tomoya's a pretty difficult customer eh?

Wonder if we'll see any cameos next week on the student council. XD

[Klashikari]

I'm pretty sure I only saw 2 buns in his mouth. Where'd the third one come from?

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/th_CLANNADep03018.jpg (http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/klashikari2/CLANNADep03018.jpg)

Look at the bottom of the left bun. there is a round shaped thing. This is the third bread.
Their bread isn't completely orange: bottom half is almost flesh colored.

Bo-tan's pretty cute, but Sunohara's antics before grabbing him were kinda freaky if you ask me... especially that weird giggle/cackle he made. -_-' Made me feel like something REALLY bad was going to happen to that poor boar. Speaking of which, is Bo-tan's name botan, as in the flower, or Bo, with the tan suffix attached? In which case, what does bo in this case mean?Well, considering the first reaction of Youhei, it was more like toying with a cute pet. Teasing, but certainly not trying to harm it, though Botan certainly didn't like it :heh:

I wonder... if that area that Yukine was tending to wasn't a library... why were Tomoya and Nagisa doing there in the first place? Can't be that they were just randomly wandering about and came across it by accident...No, they were going to this room as there are some books which might help Nagisa for her speeches. They even found 3 of them, thanks to Yukine.

[Ascaloth]

Bo-tan's pretty cute, but Sunohara's antics before grabbing him were kinda freaky if you ask me... especially that weird giggle/cackle he made. -_-' Made me feel like something REALLY bad was going to happen to that poor boar. Speaking of which, is Bo-tan's name botan, as in the flower, or Bo, with the tan suffix attached? In which case, what does bo in this case mean?


Paraphased from the TWH-Sprocket note in that scene;

It is the name "Botan" as in the flower, otherwise known as peony. Back in feudal times, Japanese named the meats they ate by flowers according to their colour, thus for boar (whose flesh was the colour of the peony flower), the name "botan". That way, they could eat meat and pretend to be practising Buddhists at the same time.

Now you also know why Tomoya made the "It's a tasty-sounding name" line right after Kyou introduced him to her pet. :D

[cshard]

@ Klashikari - Hmm, stealth buns. :heh: The man's a monster to have a mouth that can fit so many at once like that. Side effect of his GARness? XD

About the room, I thought it was odd that Tomoya would know of the room in the first place actually and surprised that he even knew there might be some useful books for Nagisa in the first place...

But then again I suppose he probably explored the school for good places to space out... ^_^

@ Ascaloth - Ah, so it was Botan as in the flower. I suppose I shall make sure of it myself as well when I do encounter Botan in the game.

I can just see Tomoya imagining tonkatsu right there and then. :heh:

[bullrogg]

i love it how sunohara gets his ass whooped every episode :P i always have something to lol about each episode

[Shadowfox79]

i love it how sunohara gets his ass whooped every episode :P i always have something to lol about each episode

Indeed, and after seeing the preview for next episode, with all those bandages, I'm expecting 5x more beat-ups. Dont let me down Sunohara!!!

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee134/Shadowfox79/bandages.gif

[Westlo]

Bah, you stole my KyoAni Lead Miniskirt Theory (http://www.riuva.com/?p=747), you monster. :p

Someone needs to show the creator of Ikkitousen those episode 1 and 3 scenes and ask for his opinion!

[Removed by a moderator for having nothing to do with AnimeSuki]

[DazarGaidin]

Heh westlo :P

I liked this episode, nothing major happened but the dialogue with the dad is full of win and i like Kyou the most out of the girls :)

[iamandragon]

Hmm... does Kyou count as a power character, with Tomoyo as a speed character here? :heh: If her 2 hit combo (+ 1 finishing move) does the same damage as Tomoyo's 748 (743?) combo.... whoops. In any case, finally, the long awaited Kyou vs Sunohara. Kyou's scene was one of my favs this time round. Pity Tomoyo got so little love this episode, but I suppose she'll make up for it next time.
Kyou is a really the most powerful character, more to be seen later in the show. (Note: this opinion is completely biased since I like Kyou but not Tomoyo)

Fuuko still reminds me of a cute little puppy. Does the star wood carving count as a toy that was just retrieved? XD Wonder if she'll start getting more serious later though... I really need to get around to playing her route.
You think a small child like her can't be so obsessed with a toy that they don't even care about injuring herself over and over again? Just you wait--the story behind the star she's craving is more than serious, and the characters that are related to that star are all introduced.

I wonder... if that area that Yukine was tending to wasn't a library... why were Tomoya and Nagisa doing there in the first place? Can't be that they were just randomly wandering about and came across it by accident...
Didn't Tomoya said they'll look for books about making speeches?

Paraphased from the TWH-Sprocket note in that scene;

It is the name "Botan" as in the flower, otherwise known as peony. Back in feudal times, Japanese named the meats they ate by flowers according to their colour, thus for boar (whose flesh was the colour of the peony flower), the name "botan". That way, they could eat meat and pretend to be practising Buddhists at the same time.
Thanks Ascaloth for the information! :kisses:

@ Klashikari - Hmm, stealth buns. :heh: The man's a monster to have a mouth that can fit so many at once like that. Side effect of his GARness? XD
More like how amazing is that he can hold 3 buns while running and screaming 'I love it very much!'
Akio is just so full of funniness.

About the room, I thought it was odd that Tomoya would know of the room in the first place actually and surprised that he even knew there might be some useful books for Nagisa in the first place...
Tomoya's favourite in-school hobby was to run out of class, so I suppose he would discover it in one occasion? But that's the only in the game...

But then again I suppose he probably explored the school for good places to space out... ^_^
To sleep.

Heh westlo :P

I liked this episode, nothing major happened but the dialogue with the dad is full of win and i like Kyou the most out of the girls :)
Friends! :shakes Gaidin's hands frantically:

[bullrogg]

Indeed, and after seeing the preview for next episode, with all those bandages, I'm expecting 5x more beat-ups. Dont let me down Sunohara!!!

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee134/Shadowfox79/bandages.gif

YES!!! MUST WAIT FOR NEXT EP!!! :heh:

[iamandragon]

Smiley moments in episode 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNzRVJXmGQw

[tabun]

man i was hoping sunohara was gonna do so much more instead of a lame trick you joke i saw potentional too : ( maybe they're saving it for later!

Pat-pat?

Anyway, I feel sorry for Fuuko ;( seems kind of heartless to demand a high five of her, just to show that her hand does hurt. Poor girl!:upset:

Also, while knowing absolutely nothing of the game and therefore possible storylines, I still daresay that there cannot be too many girls (too many as in: overload) in a harem setting =3 even more so if there is not only one, but two possible tsundere* characters (although I doubt this to be the correct classification for Tomoyo...)!


*) Oh come on, I know it's an overused term ;( don't get mad at me for using it though :p

[Shadowfox79]

Smiley moments in episode 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNzRVJXmGQw

Nice video, definately had all of the "lol" moments in there, except I really didn't find it too humerous the 1st part, but thats just me. Also, should have had the the "One-Two, One-Two" scene, that was great!

And it just occured to me, am I the only one who suddenly thought of the last ep of Haruhi with the "The world ended" scenario with the dark video filter?

[iamandragon]

Nice video, definately had all of the "lol" moments in there, except I really didn't find it too humerous the 1st part, but thats just me. Also, should have had the the "One-Two, One-Two" scene, that was great!

I tried adding it to it, but after two crashes of windows movie maker I got too annoyed so I cutted it there.

[Zaris]

It's been a while since I last critiqued a series partly because I've been busy with work and new games on the market. It's not to say that I haven't been watching anime, but I haven't had as much time to troll and post on the forums. But I've been anticipating the release of CLANNAD since Kanon ended back in Spring of 2006 and now that it's airing, I plan on frequenting here more often.

As usual, I gave myself several episodes worth before beginning my judgment of the series. And as usual, I'll be critiquing from an outsider's point of view. I know nothing about CLANNAD other than the fact that it is Key's first non-hentai game... and yet, it is KyoAni most explicit Key adaptation to date! Doing Lucky Star must have made the entire staff really antsy.



Let me start by saying I loved Kanon 2006. It was a beautiful story with a beautiful cast done brilliantly, but there was one detail I didn't like. The story begins with a close familial relationship between a boy and a girl for about four episodes and then it dies down to where they hardly talk to each other at all by the series' end. The boy falls in love with another girl and the girl we knew from the beginning pretty much becomes a benchwarmer... and she's okay with it! I couldn't live with that. I like to think that any named character within the first ten minutes of a series is going to have some relevance in the end, not just to be reduced to another sub-character.

Which is all the more important when I say this: the prelude to CLANNAD, if not the first three episodes, is spectacular. You immediately get the sense that these two individuals, outcasts in their own right, are going to have something special happen between them. There's just so much more dynamism and connection than Kanon's pairing and the mysticism and drama of the whole thing is so fresh, you'll look at first two minutes and go, "Yes, KyoAni has done their homework."

Annoyingly, though, the series does have a few bad points. The pacing is too fast at times, not enough deadspace, and it's starting to become a definitive style of KyoAni's work. Then there's the male lead, Okazaki Tomoya, who internalizes his feelings in his head a lot back in episode one but does it significantly less in the next two. You kind of get the impression that the staff wasn't too sure if they wanted to model the show like a Haruhi or a Kanon.

And then there's the gap in time and events between episode two and three. I for one would've liked to see Tomoya carry the poor girl back to her (or his) home and listen to his feelings about it. But all that was reduced to simple lines of dialogue as if it's something to be quickly forgotten. This excellent dramatic scene was stirred before the pot even boiled. I hope this was just an oversight on their part or a reluctant scene cut due to time constraints, and not them getting sloppy. KyoAni has already done a fantastic job filling the rest with movement and fluidity and less expository dialogue and cliche camera pans.

Thing is, though, you have to analyze the scenes hard like a filmmaker (which I am) to notice these things because the drawing style pulls you in like a black hole. It dominates your senses with color and detail. I've never watched an anime simply because a certain company was producing it until now. This is the way anime should be done.



I want to talk about the characters a moment. The male lead, Tomoya, is a delinquent, doesn't join any clubs, and is typically late for school. He sports an injury as well (which my uncle has too but is slowly recovering) so he's not the most perfect individual, but it makes him Human and relatable. He also goes through some unhealthy mood swings. Take his father, for instance. Twice we've seen his attitude change from the sight of him and twice he's stormed out of the house angry. We know part of the rage comes from the loss of his mother. But it doesn't feel like Tomoya is angry at what his father has become; it feels more like something his father is unconsciously saying or doing that's triggering a memory he wants to keep locked up. Despite being a broken man, father looks like he's trying to bond with his son, but he won't let him. There's something we don't know just yet, and I've no doubt that we will eventually touch bases on it. But for now, this stresses that Tomoya is emotional, withdrawn, and capable of great ferocity, which might lead to his undoing.

Despite being alone, though, he is amazingly popular. Students approach him. Students talk to him and even talk about him. He also has Sunohara for a friend and you get the sense that he has a friendly history with the Fujibayashi sisters. The scene with Kyou's pig, for example, Ryou's fortune telling, and how else would he have known the older sister's first name short of her hallmark paperback-throwing popularity (they even refer to each other by her first name)? If I had to contrast Tomoya with another anime character, I'd say he's a lot like Bleach's Kurosaki Ichigo... without the sword.

And then there's Furukawa Nagisa, a loner like Tomoya for completely opposite reasons. She mentally feels isolated from the rest of the school because she is a repeat senior and doesn't know anyone. She has the passion, the charisma, and the determination but is a bit short on awareness. You really have to think of her as a Porsche, a kind of subtle beauty and delicacy that's not so bewildering as a Ferrari or a Lamborgini and you wouldn't really think much of her on the outside until you actually got behind the wheel and gave her a spin.

So what we have here is a Kurosaki Ichigo and a Porsche. Put those two together and you have a wide smile on your face. And if that doesn't suit you, how about the fact that the rest of the cast is equally sublime (and I don't hate anyone in the anime yet!)? The Fujibayashi sisters are timid and outgoing, a brainchild makes her home in the library, Fuko is cute, and Tomoyo is a lightning jet fighter. Fun for the whole family.



In the end, CLANNAD is off to a good start. It has executed great moments of drama, humor, and jaw dropping cuteness in seventy-five minutes. The mystery of the world that doesn't cry or sleep seems unrelated to the happenings of ordinary school life, and you have to wonder if that universe is related to Nagisa or not. I honestly thought that it was giving Nagisa multiple personality disorder or Tourette syndrome... or both! And maybe I'm right. I dunno, we'll see. But at least the mystery is slowly piecing itself together. As of episode three, we finally give a physical body to the narrator of that world. How many more pieces to go? Who's to say, but whatever. At least it's not so mind-numbingly vague as Kanon. If you let the mystery stay stagnant for too long, your audience will grow tired and move elsewhere.

Don't disappoint me now (though not being able to see it in widescreen is already a huge let down).

[Klashikari]

Again, another nice approach Zaris, though i have some points i would debate a bit, considering some disagreement... meh, bear with it... (well if it isn't too a hassle :heh:)

Then there's the male lead, Okazaki Tomoya, who internalizes his feelings in his head a lot back in episode one but does it significantly less in the next two. You kind of get the impression that the staff wasn't too sure if they wanted to model the show like a Haruhi or a Kanon.
As far as i can see Tomoya's "development", this is rather the stream of "new events" which actually makes him "busy", preventing him to sulk himself down in the path of "internalizing the feelings", though they are absolutely not required in what happened recently.
This is somehow what was foreshadowed in the very start of episode 1, but also reminded in episode 2 (with the conflict with his father).

He also goes through some unhealthy mood swings. Take his father, for instance. Twice we've seen his attitude change from the sight of him and twice he's stormed out of the house angry. We know part of the rage comes from the loss of his mother. But it doesn't feel like Tomoya is angry at what his father has become; it feels more like something his father is unconsciously saying or doing that's triggering a memory he wants to keep locked up. Despite being a broken man, father looks like he's trying to bond with his son, but he won't let him. There's something we don't know just yet, and I've no doubt that we will eventually touch bases on it. But for now, this stresses that Tomoya is emotional, withdrawn, and capable of great ferocity, which might lead to his undoing.Huh? I don't really think so. As demonstrated with episode 2, Tomoya is very affected that he was treated like a stranger and seeing his father like a wreck isn't exactly healthy.
Considering the absolute lack of mention of his mother aside of the first explanations, it is fairly safe to say that he already get over the fact his mother is dead.
However, the point is rather the interactions of his father which degenerated even since this incident, since the later became a alcoholic and gambler. Then the shoulder accident, which removed completely the possibility for Tomoya to play the sport he excelled before.

This is rather a normal behaviour and not "unhealthy mood swing" I believe, considering the context, and especially his fears. (Tomoya didn't have a flashback of his mother in episode 2, but rather Nagisa, when his father was tyring to involve himself. That is clearly a reaction of self defense)

Despite being alone, though, he is amazingly popular. Students approach him. Students talk to him and even talk about him. He also has Sunohara for a friend and you get the sense that he has a friendly history with the Fujibayashi sisters. The scene with Kyou's pig, for example, Ryou's fortune telling, and how else would he have known the older sister's first name short of her hallmark paperback-throwing popularity (they even refer to each other by her first name)? If I had to contrast Tomoya with another anime character, I'd say he's a lot like Bleach's Kurosaki Ichigo... without the sword.Very very few students approach Tomoya. Most if not all of them are acquaintances. It isn't that strange to see "strangers" to talk about him considering his delenquency with Youhei.
Basing how he and Kyou were already talking to each other since episode 1, it is fairly safe to assume they know each other from before, and it isn't exactly linked with his "status". His popularity is middle, or even negative to say the least currently.

As for the comparison with Ichigo, it is kinda far fetched I believe.
Ichigo is the type of character who bases much more his daily life on the current flow, without being clear with his feelings, completely headstrong. he is rather reserved, but doesn't hesitate when it is involving anyone he knows.

Meanwhile, Tomoya is "rebel": he doesn't accept this flow, and prefer to get through what he wishes. he is much more straightforward, but also far much empathic to what is happening around him considering his situation.

The former is rather moving foward, while the second is in denial and try to "escape" with other means. (which are ditching classes, check on others etc)

And then there's Furukawa Nagisa, a loner like Tomoya for completely opposite reasons. She mentally feels isolated from the rest of the school because she is a repeat senior and doesn't know anyone. She has the passion, the charisma, and the determination but is a bit short on awareness. You really have to think of her as a Porsche, a kind of subtle beauty and delicacy that's not so bewildering as a Ferrari or a Lamborgini and you wouldn't really think much of her on the outside until you actually got behind the wheel and gave her a spin.I will strongly disagree with the mention of "charisma". If anything, Tomoya has it, but not Nagisa. She is indeed pretty and cute, but her behaviour and personality prevents her to befriend naturally with her surrounding. This is rather the opposite of a charisma.
True enough she has the passion, but it is not exactly sure for the determination, more likely misguided by her self esteem and context which dampen her completely.

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

For those that have watched Lucky Star:

Doesn't the four-eyed guy who accused Yoshino Yuusuke of causing a dent in his car look very similiar to the guy who was taking photos off Tsukasa, mistaking her as a Kamigishi Akari cosplayer in episode 16? Moreover don't they both look like the director Ishida Tatsuya himself?

Tatsuya Ishida is a California-based comic artist and writer. He does a web comic called "Sinfest" and has done work for Dark Horse in the past. You probably know this and just briefly confused his name with Tatsuya Ishihara's.

Tatsuya Ishihara and the guy with the dented hood:
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2199/20070612234115ni1.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20070612234115ni1.jpg) http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8264/dentguybh2.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dentguybh2.jpg)

[Sorrow-K]

That's a bit like M.Night Shyamalan appearing briefly in all his films.

Decent ep, but certainly no where near as good as the last one. More emphasis on comedy this time round, and while I'm starting to "get" the comedy now (for some reason it takes me a couple of episodes to "get" the comedy style in a show like this, like it took me 22 episodes before I "got" Lucky Star), but nothing in this is as hilarious as Kanon's first few eps, which had a few moments hear and there which were just comedic brilliance! Nonetheless, the comedy in this is passable, but it certainly shouldn't be the focus for any extended period of time, since it clearly isn't this show's strength.

What is this show's strength is the characters, particularly Okazaki and Nagisa, who, so far, are two of the most genuine characters I've ever come across in a Key anime... or even a KyoAni anime. And, because of that, their relationship is genuine. I'm not sure if I'm alone on this, or am predicting a foregone inevitability, but I really, really want to seea romance form between themPersonally, I think it's these two characters that make this show work so well.

Damn that first scene was pretty.

[EternalDragonWarrior]

This one's as good as ever, and I think I'm starting to prefer Tomoya over Yukito and Yuuichi. Otherwise to that, it's nice to see more Nagisa and dango ^_^

[Ascaloth]

Thanks Ascaloth for the information! :kisses:


[off-topic] If you're going to be kissing me any more, I'll want a picture of you at least. :eyespin: (J/K) [/off-topic]

@Zaris,

I would say that the high level of chemistry between Tomoya and Nagisa is more KEY's effort than anything else. The way I see it, KyoAni could only do so much with Yuuichi-Ayu and Yukito-Misuzu, and the fact that they can make a better presentation of Tomoya-Nagisa is because the presentation in the CLANNAD game was better than in the Kanon or the AIR game in the first place.

Not that I would know for sure, but game players, would you agree with this theory of mine?

[Nightengale]

Not that I would know for sure, but game players, would you agree with this theory of mine?

Let's just say there's a reason no one would be rioting even if there's a good chance 2 or 3 girl's story would have to be shafted somewhat unless they pull a ~pure rouge~... At least people can still wish or hope Kanon 2006 pulled a Nayuki, but there's no hoping that here.

Because there's a definitive TRUE End for this.

[cshard]

Kyou is a really the most powerful character, more to be seen later in the show. (Note: this opinion is completely biased since I like Kyou but not Tomoyo)


You think a small child like her can't be so obsessed with a toy that they don't even care about injuring herself over and over again? Just you wait--the story behind the star she's craving is more than serious, and the characters that are related to that star are all introduced.


Didn't Tomoya said they'll look for books about making speeches?


Maa maa, that was kinda a joke comparison between physical power actually. XD Just me imagining what would be if Eternal Fighter Zero ever included the Clannad group in. (And the LB group too for good measure.) Unless you mean powerful emotionally? XD Which I suppose her scenario would be but here's not the place to talk game stuff anyway.

And yes, I do know what's up with Fuuko. XD I suppose at this point she just makes me think of a cute little puppy who's easy to tease. It's just the way she's been presented so far that makes me think that.

As for the last part, I suppose I should clarify again >.< Tomoya did say that they were looking for books about speeches, but at the same time, did either Yukine or Tomoya confirm that the room with all the books was a part of the library? Because if it isn't a part of the library and was merely an unused room with all the, to quote Yukine, "books that no one reads anymore", I find it odd that they would know that "this is the place to find books on speeches".

Anyway, just a minor curiosity on my part anyway. Like I replied later, I suppose Tomoya would have wandered around the entire school by now anyway. XD

[rave_master16]

Now for the best moments in the episode:
3. *dribble... shoootto* Yey... Ugh!
2. Sunohara... wake up... I'm a hologram and the world has ended 100 years ago..
1. *Eats the teared portion of the bread*

[tabun]

Then there's the male lead, Okazaki Tomoya, who internalizes his feelings in his head a lot back in episode one but does it significantly less in the next two. You kind of get the impression that the staff wasn't too sure if they wanted to model the show like a Haruhi or a Kanon.
As far as i can see Tomoya's "development", this is rather the stream of "new events" which actually makes him "busy", preventing him to sulk himself down in the path of "internalizing the feelings", though they are absolutely not required in what happened recently.
This is somehow what was foreshadowed in the very start of episode 1, but also reminded in episode 2 (with the conflict with his father).

Actually, I would rather like it to stay the way it is in the last Episode (and, for that matter, the second one too). While Haruhi was in dire need of the internalizing and continuous reflections to sort of keep the plot understandable (and/or let the train of thought help keep an oversight), it did not seem misplaced to me - more like a counterpart to the partly massive action taking place.
With Kanon, however, I found it to be rather annoying (mind you, I still liked the show greatly!) at times and not really needed. I would have wished for more action showing development, as I perceive it with Clannad thus far.

A definitive TRUE END at this early stage could mean anything, from a fond relation of friendship to a slowly evolving romance to Nagisa fading away due to her weak body.
Of course I know that you seem to know the game's ending, Nightengale, but still that says nothing of the developments displayed during the oncoming episodes. It is futile to always stare at the ending and hope for one in your favour.
In the end, if you just suffer through a show without enjoying it, you might as well drop it altogether! ;)

[Nightengale]

I do not know more than what I've been spoiled a little (( very little though and NO, I do not KNOW what this ending is )), and where I've reached of the game (( still quite early, it was quite interesting though... how they shuffled about Kyou/Ryou's scenes )). I am enjoying Clannad for what it is (( it's not without flaws though )) so I won't be dropping it lol. I hope I'm not giving any impression that I was speaking in a negative manner.

As for this whole internalizing thing... I suppose it couldn't be helped, really. They're portraying him to be 'busy', at times seemingly mildly breaking down his 'my life is just that' monologue and such, but if they go about internal monologues that is negative to reinforce his personal opinion on his boring life in nature while he's doing things around with girls, etc, it'd ruin the whole atmosphere further, which is already not that good due to the jam-packed episodes. I suppose Kyoto opted for something more natural and let body language do its talking when it needs it and let the mind speaks itself when it needs it to be.

[Mirrinus]

Ah, it feels really good to see the old gang from the Kanon forums back again. Welcome, Zaris. ^_^

[Zaris]

I've never played the game before either, Ascaloth. I can imagine it to to be true, since Nightengale seems to know the answer already. It may just be that CLANNAD is an easier story to adapt. But even so, the producers are responsible for getting it right, not the source they tried to duplicate.

Huh? I don't really think so. As demonstrated with episode 2, Tomoya is very affected that he was treated like a stranger and seeing his father like a wreck isn't exactly healthy.
Considering the absolute lack of mention of his mother aside of the first explanations, it is fairly safe to say that he already get over the fact his mother is dead.
However, the point is rather the interactions of his father which degenerated even since this incident, since the later became a alcoholic and gambler. Then the shoulder accident, which removed completely the possibility for Tomoya to play the sport he excelled before.

This is rather a normal behaviour and not "unhealthy mood swing" I believe, considering the context, and especially his fears. (Tomoya didn't have a flashback of his mother in episode 2, but rather Nagisa, when his father was tyring to involve himself. That is clearly a reaction of self defense)

There's no evidence to say that Tomoya has gotten over his mom's car accident. His lack of mention could be mistaken for memories he struggles to repress. Time should tell us what he really thinks.

I admit that Tomoya and his dad don't get along and with good reason. He sets a bad example, breaks his arm, and messes up the house he comes home to. That's reason enough to keep your distance from the man. But what I don't understand is why Tomoya suddenly runs out the house after trying to wake up his dad so that he can sleep on a proper mattress. I don't understand why Tomoya says his dad talks to him like a stranger after he tried to get involved with his son's activities (in what I believe is an attempt to bond like father and son).

In case one, what was it that his dad said or looked that provoked Tomoya's angry face? In case two, what did he say that would make it sound like he treats him son like a stranger or doll? Did I overlook something here or did SS-Eclipse get something wrong with the translation? Because I see absolutely nothing unusual with his dad in terms of his appearance or his words. That is why I believe there is something that hasn't been mentioned which is making this father-son feud go on. Something is making their interactions very awkward. Don't you feel that way too?

But yeah, "unhealthy mood swing" was a poor, but deliberate, choice of words to describe Tomoya's fits of anger.

Very very few students approach Tomoya. Most if not all of them are acquaintances. It isn't that strange to see "strangers" to talk about him considering his delenquency with Youhei.
Basing how he and Kyou were already talking to each other since episode 1, it is fairly safe to assume they know each other from before, and it isn't exactly linked with his "status". His popularity is middle, or even negative to say the least currently.

As for the comparison with Ichigo, it is kinda far fetched I believe.
Ichigo is the type of character who bases much more his daily life on the current flow, without being clear with his feelings, completely headstrong. he is rather reserved, but doesn't hesitate when it is involving anyone he knows.

Meanwhile, Tomoya is "rebel": he doesn't accept this flow, and prefer to get through what he wishes. he is much more straightforward, but also far much empathic to what is happening around him considering his situation.

The former is rather moving foward, while the second is in denial and try to "escape" with other means. (which are ditching classes, check on others etc)

I can relate. I had few people in high school with a motive to approach me and the people I knew were acquaintances at best. I don't believe that Tomoya's a popular guy either - more neutral, if anything. But you have to admit that he carries some weight in his speech. Obvious example is when nobody argues when he publicly announces Kyou's sexual orientation. And don't forget that this is drama. Characters like Tomoya are above and beyond ordinary folk and they are presented as such. They rise to the call of duty and would risk life and limb to help beat motorcycle punks off campus where others would sit back and watch (remember this in episode one?).

In short, no, he does not stick out as much as men with orange hair would, but as the male lead, we are obligated to assume Tomoya has some influence over his environment and the people around him.

I've only seen the first 63 episodes of Bleach (as I'm told everything past that becomes of questionable quality), but I remember enough to know what Kurosaki Ichigo was like in school, and in many respects, he's quite like Tomoya. Not totally perfect, but they share some qualities. Consider the following:

- Ichigo has an intimidating face and personality. Tomoya intimidates even Ryou, the class representative.
- They're both dilinquents of sorts. Ichigo is often late for school, and it is implied in Tomoya's case from his lack of club activites.
- They're both loners or choose to hang away from a huge crowd. They both could care less what other people think of them, and as a result they don't hold back on their words.
- Both have lost their mothers and it has had a direct influence on them.
- Despite their rough upbringings, both stick to their code of morals. Punks are bad and must be opposed, and always put your life on the line for those short-haired damsels in distress.

And I personally disagree with Tomoya being a kind of rebel. I think he understands perfectly the rules of society, but he doesn't know what he wants to make out of it... not until Nagisa came along. It's more like he's trying to find that answer out for himself by hanging around this timid girl, and it's so complex that even he can't describe why he is helping her all the time. He's not escaping from anything, especially not from her.

And yeah, I used a lot of strong words in my critique that aren't necessarily accurate. Just wanted to see how that approach would fly.

Hiiiii, Mirrinus. (Who are you? O.o)

[Nightengale]

I've never played the game before either, Ascaloth. I can imagine it to to be true, since Nightengale seems to know the answer already. It may just be that CLANNAD is an easier story to adapt. But even so, the producers are responsible for getting it right, not the source they tried to duplicate.

Well, there was one thing (( just a simple sentence )) that spoiled me just very very little though more than enough to have an idea of it, but I'm not going to say anything.

And apparently, I heard that it's 5 times more complicated than that even and it's not even about the length. But this is where we leave it to their staffs to show their game. ;)


I admit that Tomoya and his dad don't get along and with good reason. He sets a bad example, breaks his arm, and messes up the house he comes home to. That's reason enough to keep your distance from the man. But what I don't understand is why Tomoya suddenly runs out the house after trying to wake up his dad so that he can sleep on a proper mattress. I don't understand why Tomoya says his dad talks to him like a stranger after he tried to get involved with his son's activities (in what I believe is an attempt to bond like father and son).

In case one, what was it that his dad said or looked that provoked Tomoya's angry face? In case two, what did he say that would make it sound like he treats him son like a stranger or doll? Did I overlook something here or did SS-Eclipse get something wrong with the translation? Because I see absolutely nothing unusual with his dad in terms of his appearance or his words. That is why I believe there is something that hasn't been mentioned which is making this father-son feud go on. Something is making their interactions very awkward. Don't you feel that way too?

First noting, suffixes. Note that he calls his own flesh and blood son, Tomoya-kun. -kun is traditionally not used to address family in that manner, for it is rather informal.

[Mirrinus]

Hiiiii, Mirrinus. (Who are you? O.o)

Lol, latecomer to the old Kanon forum...

[Zaris]

...suffixes. Note that he calls his own flesh and blood son, Tomoya-kun. -kun is traditionally not used to address family in that manner, for it is rather informal.

Oh, that's right! That definately slipped right by me. Although it hardly sounds like a thing to go berserk on, how you refer to other people by family name, given name, or title is a very serious thing in Japan. I guess my Japanese language skills have gotten a little rusty from not using them in a while. But is this really the only way we, the audience, can go about judging their relationship? Because it honestly feels like taking a two second dialogue clip too literally.

Either KyoAni didn't make the implications very clear cut, the fansubbers I followed didn't explain it well enough, or I need to take a make up class in Japanese culture.

[houkoholic]

Kyou is a really the most powerful character, more to be seen later in the show. (Note: this opinion is completely biased since I like Kyou but not Tomoyo)

Yes your opinion is very biased, since it's canon material that Tomoyo is stronger than Kyou in just about every way. Tomoyo is more atheletic, smarter, much harder working, more self-sacraficing for others, and even her bust size is larger. :p What Kyou has going for her is her sense of humor and that she's a tsundere which I guess is the current most popular fad, Tomoyo otoh doesn't fluster in expressing her affection, she's very much a no-nonsense person. What's more


Tomoyo also possesses the motherly quality. Except she's the opposite of Nagisa in this case - while Nagisa is the warm, gentle type, Tomoyo otoh represents the strict and desciplined side of a parent. She also got Tomoya to face his situation with his dad, which is 100x more important than anything Kyou has done.


Either KyoAni didn't make the implications very clear cut, the fansubbers I followed didn't explain it well enough, or I need to take a make up class in Japanese culture.

I advice on the third option.

The question is already answered - no parents will call their child with the suffix -kun in an affectionate way. Outside of the girl calling an unfamiliar boy situation, culturally it's a suffix that is used to address people of a lower rank - like a boss to his subordinates, or a teacher to his students.

[Nightengale]

It's worse for Tomoya too.

The thing is, he calls him "Tomoya" and not "Okazaki", which means he's not acting like a total stranger. But at the same time, "Tomoya-kun" in the way he's speaking means that he's not treating their situation like father to son.

It's neither ignorance nor love (( from Tomoya's POV )) and it's probably painful for him. I don't know about Tomoya, but my friend too once got severely injured by his father when he tried to stop their parent's quarrel, resulting in a scar over his face. The result of that, was...distance that wasn't distance. Even though my friend tried to restore their relationship, the father tried to avoid, and acted like "Oh, you're okay... that's good. Bye." manner, which saddened my friend greatly. They live together, but the father pretty much 'leaves early and comes back extremely late', not wanting to see anyone. It was only a few years ago that they managed to patch things back together after like 2 years.

I don't even want to know how he feels. My friend tried to do what he felt was best (( and got himself injured )), but somehow made things worse for them both. The father didn't help by playing "ghost father" and evading contact even though they bloody stayed in the same house. He told me, at least when the parents argued occasionally, they still felt like a family. Those 2 years however... they were like strangers.

From what I see, they're both probably doing what they feel is best for the other party in a middle ground manner, but due to their disconnection, it ends up worse for them both.

Pure speculation here.

[iamandragon]

Yes your opinion is very biased, since it's canon material that Tomoyo is stronger than Kyou in just about every way. Tomoyo is more atheletic, smarter, much harder working, more self-sacraficing for others, and even her bust size is larger. :p What Kyou has going for her is her sense of humor and that she's a tsundere which I guess is the current most popular fad, Tomoyo otoh doesn't fluster in expressing her affection, she's very much a no-nonsense person. What's more


Tomoyo also possesses the motherly quality. Except she's the opposite of Nagisa in this case - while Nagisa is the warm, gentle type, Tomoyo otoh represents the strict and desciplined side of a parent. She also got Tomoya to face his situation with his dad, which is 100x more important than anything Kyou has done.


Kyou's not a Tsundere character, she's just plain wild...

[orion]

A definitive TRUE END at this early stage could mean anything, from a fond relation of friendship to a slowly evolving romance to Nagisa fading away due to her weak body.
Of course I know that you seem to know the game's ending, Nightengale, but still that says nothing of the developments displayed during the oncoming episodes. It is futile to always stare at the ending and hope for one in your favour.
In the end, if you just suffer through a show without enjoying it, you might as well drop it altogether! ;)

But....

The game players are seeing it in the OP animation with every episode which is perhaps another way for KyoAni to assure them that Clannad will be faithful to the game imo. This is totally different from what was done for Kanon 2k6 imo.


I like Kyou more than Tomoyo at this point.

[Kang Seung Jae]

The question is already answered - no parents will call their child with the suffix -kun in an affectionate way. Outside of the girl calling an unfamiliar boy situation, culturally it's a suffix that is used to address people of a lower rank - like a boss to his subordinates, or a teacher to his students.

It's worse for Tomoya too.

The thing is, he calls him "Tomoya" and not "Okazaki", which means he's not acting like a total stranger. But at the same time, "Tomoya-kun" in the way he's speaking means that he's not treating their situation like father to son.

It's neither ignorance nor love (( from Tomoya's POV )) and it's probably painful for him. I don't know about Tomoya, but my friend too once got severely injured by his father when he tried to stop their parent's quarrel, resulting in a scar over his face. The result of that, was...distance that wasn't distance. Even though my friend tried to restore their relationship, the father tried to avoid, and acted like "Oh, you're okay... that's good. Bye." manner, which saddened my friend greatly. They live together, but the father pretty much 'leaves early and comes back extremely late', not wanting to see anyone. It was only a few years ago that they managed to patch things back together after like 2 years.

I don't even want to know how he feels. My friend tried to do what he felt was best (( and got himself injured )), but somehow made things worse for them both. The father didn't help by playing "ghost father" and evading contact even though they bloody stayed in the same house. He told me, at least when the parents argued occasionally, they still felt like a family. Those 2 years however... they were like strangers.

From what I see, they're both probably doing what they feel is best for the other party in a middle ground manner, but due to their disconnection, it ends up worse for them both.

Pure speculation here.

You guys hit the nail correctly.

[Nightengale]

But....

The game players are seeing it in the OP animation with every episode which is perhaps another way for KyoAni to assure them that Clannad will be faithful to the game imo. This is totally different from what was done for Kanon 2k6 imo.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here. Mind rewording/going into details?

[houkoholic]

Kyou's not a Tsundere character, she's just plain wild...

Kyou is most definitely tsundere. I can bring up lots of examples from the game which would probably be shown later in the anime, but that's probably not a good idea here right now.

[iamandragon]

Kyou is most definitely tsundere. I can bring up lots of examples from the game which would probably be shown later in the anime, but that's probably not a good idea here right now.
I don't remember seeing Kyou being tsun at all. She's friendly with Tomoya since the very beginning.

[Ascaloth]

I don't remember seeing Kyou being tsun at all. She's friendly with Tomoya since the very beginning.

Oh, so her pulling Tomoya's tie in Episode 1, her pissed-off look at Tomoya spreading the "bi-" rumour about her in Episode 2, and her pWning of Sunohara in Episode 3 don't count? :p

[Tiberium Wolf]

Compared to Tomoyo's kick, which hurt more?

Man... I wanted the answer for this! :p

[houkoholic]

Oh, so her pulling Tomoya's tie in Episode 1, her pissed-off look at Tomoya spreading the "bi-" rumour about her in Episode 2, and her pWning of Sunohara in Episode 3 don't count? :p

Also the flying dictionary, her teasing of Ryou's prediction of Tomoya's romance meeting, bike incident etc etc just in the anime alone. She is the tsundere archtype. Sure not your Shana/Nagi/Louise/Kugimiya Rie type extreme tsuntsun/deredere, but along the Tohsaka Rin type tsundere. Actually Chidori is probably closer as Rin doesn't act physically violent at all but rely on sharp words, where as Kyou most definitely does get physically violent.

I don't really want to bring this up because of the whole game thing, but Kyou's story arc's conflict is essentially due to her being tsundere. You seriously have to be conciously ignoring her entire story and character to deny that she is tsundere.

[Proto]

Wow, that was nice to know. Now breath deeply, and if you want to continue your borderful spoiler game dialog I would like to point you to this thread (http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=10536). Thank you for your attention. :)

[FireChick]

OH. MY. GOD. I just saw this an hour ago and...(bursts out laughing)OH SNAP THAT WAS SO FLIPPING HILARIOUS!!!!! OH MY FLIPPING GOD I CRIED at this episode! The dictionary just FLEW and went "POW!" on Youhei's face, and then "BEEF!" when Kyou kicked his tooshie! OH SNAP I LOVE YOU KYOU!!! You PWNED Youhei to the max!!! I LOVE THIS EPISODE!!! NUMBER ONE!!! I gotta watch it again! Botan so cute with the cute widdle puhi puhi noises! Oh no. Nagisa's in some kind of trouble!

[iamandragon]

Oh, so her pulling Tomoya's tie in Episode 1, her pissed-off look at Tomoya spreading the "bi-" rumour about her in Episode 2, and her pWning of Sunohara in Episode 3 don't count? :p

That's just her going berserk, I see that as being over-friendly. Apparently Kyou and Tomoya are very close since their second year--you won't try to strangle a complete stranger won't you? It's usually your friends that you try and strangle during plays. Don't forget that Kyou is a lot like a guy...so she tends to act 'friendly' in a manly way.

I don't really want to bring this up because of the whole game thing, but Kyou's story arc's conflict is essentially due to her being tsundere. You seriously have to be conciously ignoring her entire story and character to deny that she is tsundere.
Are you sure you've read the script carefully? Go back to the 16th of May and pay attention to what Ryou said at the end of the day. If you'd want to talk more about the game post up a topic in the game discussion.

[Ascaloth]

That's just her going berserk, apparently they are very close--you won't try to strangle a complete stranger won't you? It's usually your friends that you try and strangle during plays. Don't forget that Kyou acts like a lot like a guy...

Even so, that doesn't explain away the dictionary hit on Sunohara. ;)

[Shiroth]

iamandragon: Regarding the tsundere topic, do you fully understand what one is --- and how one falls into the category? Because what we've see from Kyou so far makes her tsundere material.

[iamandragon]

OH. MY. GOD. I just saw this an hour ago and...(bursts out laughing)OH SNAP THAT WAS SO FLIPPING HILARIOUS!!!!! OH MY FLIPPING GOD I CRIED at this episode! The dictionary just FLEW and went "POW!" on Youhei's face, and then "BEEF!" when Kyou kicked his tooshie! OH SNAP I LOVE YOU KYOU!!! You PWNED Youhei to the max!!! I LOVE THIS EPISODE!!! NUMBER ONE!!! I gotta watch it again! Botan so cute with the cute widdle puhi puhi noises! Oh no. Nagisa's in some kind of trouble!

These are all 'smiley moments' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNzRVJXmGQw) just for episode 3. I'll be making a collections smiley moments of each episode from now on.

iamandragon: Regarding the tsundere topic, do you fully understand what one is --- and how one falls into the category? Because what we've see from Kyou so far makes her tsundere material.
Well this is my understanding of Tsundere at the very least...unless it has changed from ever since?


Tsundere

"tsundere," is a term used to describe girls that are cold and strict at first or in public, but becomes all lovey-dovey when they are alone together.
Reference: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=499318&postcount=2

From what I see, Kyou is not strict, and not even cold--more like the complete opposite.

[Nightengale]

Well this is my understanding of Tsundere at the very least...unless it has changed from ever since?

You'd be surprised.

There's typical 2-faced tsunderes, there's character-development tsunderes, the violent-in-denial-beat-them-up types...

Put it this way.

Tsundere = Mooncake. :p

[Kinny Riddle]

iamandragon, how can you possibly think Kyou is not a Tsundere? Could your definition of the term be different from mine?

As someone who played through Kyou's scenario, I already get that "tsuntsun" and "deredere" feeling right off the bat, the moment she throws her various types of dictionaries at Tomoya, and then blushing and trying to defend herself everytime Tomoya catches her making a gaffe.

[Klashikari]

Strickly from the view of the Anime, i hardly can consider Kyou as a Tsundere either.
The fact she is "wild" doesn't mean she is trying to hide anything, or use a "bipolar" personality shift, whatsoever.

she "might" be the "old version" of tsundere (as being cold first to then being deredere after interactions, such like Tohsaka Rin) but that's it. Seriously, her demeanor is rather her natural behaviour, and "deredere" its any character being in love so... i think it is a bit far fetched to call her Tsundere, either with both definitions to me.

if she happens to be wild because of tomoya and goes deredere in her route, i would understand, but it is rather something she is genuinely.
I see how Imandragon is claiming this and i'm completely agreeing thus far... might be different for the game, but seriously, as how kyou is presented right now, she is brash/wild/bad mouthing a bit, but certainly not hostile and such ^^"

[Skyfall]

I don't see Kyou as tsundere at all. Neither of the scenes mentioned here translates to tsundere. Just because she is basically 'wild' and 'violent' doesn't make her a tsundere. She isn't reversing her demeanor and undergoing personality changes on a whim - she is pretty consistent thus far. On the crazy side ? Maybe. Tsundere ? Definitely not. She might resemble a typical tsundere at first view, but that is as far as it seem to go.

PS - next one to spill any more game information here that is not decipherable from anime only gets a 3 day ban.

[Shiroth]

There's typical 2-faced tsunderes, there's character-development tsunderes, the violent-in-denial-beat-them-up types...
Ah, how i love tsunderes.

[Deathkillz]

Tsundere like "moe" can be defined differently by different people so i am not surprised that some dont consider kyou as a tsundere...one of them being me.

I can see that she is doing all those stuff that display the qualities of a tsundere but that doesnt have to make her a tsundere by nature. The way i see it she is just the rowdy/tomboyish type who is generally just rough as expressing her feelings - usually through fists and harsh words. That doesn’t really make her a tsundere as well see as she isn’t doing anything especially tsun or dere towards the tomoya because what she does is her usual personality.

[tabun]

I do not know more than what I've been spoiled a little (( very little though and NO, I do not KNOW what this ending is )), and where I've reached of the game (( still quite early, it was quite interesting though... how they shuffled about Kyou/Ryou's scenes )). I am enjoying Clannad for what it is (( it's not without flaws though )) so I won't be dropping it lol. I hope I'm not giving any impression that I was speaking in a negative manner.

Clearly a misunderstanding on my part, sorry for that. Also, I must admit my wording was a bit poor - I didn't mean to tell you to drop the show, nor that your critique was too negative, my comment was just meant to express my opinion in the direction of an already-written (and known as such) ending. Even if I knew the ending of a story, I would still watch it if the plot was appealing to me, whereas the other way around I would have no incentive to watch a terrible (or simply not enjoyable) show in hopes of a favourable ending I'd like to see. I hope this is a bit more clear than what I wrote before! :upset:

I agree with the internalizing in jam-packed episodes part, though... I guess it couldn't be helped anyway, having what, 26 episodes at their disposal for a plot already described by some as rather diverse and rich!


Edit: Oooh, and the tsundere thing, well well, dear forum crowd *winning smile*, let us not ponder nor quarrel over the nature or existence of tsundere aspects in the girls of clannad, but let us rejoice together at the sight of all the pretty faces... and kicking legs... and so forth... <3

[Kinny Riddle]

To those that insist Kyou isn't a tsundere, all I'll say without spoiling is: you haven't seen enough of her yet. Yet, I still can't believe people can say she's not a tsundere despite all the signs shown under their noses. Perhaps our definition of "tsundere" is different. I stand by my argument.

[FatPianoBoy]

To quote a friend of mine: 前はつんつん、後はてれてれ。
"First is tsun-tsun, later is tere-tere." We're still in the first bit ;)

[iamandragon]

I think it depends on how we think Tsun is--I myself regard Tsun as giving the main character cold sholders, ignoring him and only talk to him through other people.
I still view Kyou as the wild and crazy type.

[holyman282]

Omg kyou was soo awesome in this ep....

I liked how Kyo hinted subtely that Kyou has a crush on Tomoya by her blushing and slightly glancing sideways..... By the way that blush is so cute! Also the Tomoyo scene is awesome too looks like next ep is going to be great too..

I do however have one problem with the anime, it's trying too hard to give all the girls a screen time every ep. They should just focus on a few.. Too many and the development of characters gets split too thinly..

[Deathkillz]

Actually my problem is that tomoyo and kyou hardly gets any outside of their usual routine :rolleyes:

[FatPianoBoy]

I do however have one problem with the anime, it's trying too hard to give all the s a screen time every ep. They should just focus on a few.. Too many and the development of characters gets split too thinly..

I wouldn't fault KyoAni too hard for that - they're probably just trying to avoid the lynch mobs :heh:



:uhoh:

[KaneDragon]

Here's another vote for Kyou-tsundere and a motion to adjourn. :cool:

[Sorrow-K]

I do however have one problem with the anime, it's trying too hard to give all the girls a screen time every ep. They should just focus on a few.. Too many and the development of characters gets split too thinly..Yes, I agree with this. Nagisa and Tomoya are the crux of this series, IMO, and should get the majority of the screentime, at least at some time during the series. The modular approach worked so well for Kanon, so I think if the side characters are going to get screentime and character development, it should happen in an arc-type manner rather than spreading it throughout the series and constantly having the focus change from character to character within episode. The types of series have greater dramatic impact when they're focused on one thing or one person, IMO, so I'd hope that's the type of approach that this series adopts. But, ultimately, I think Nagisa and Tomoya should have the most screentime and character development, since they're the most interesting characters by a long way, IMO.

[Eviltape]

The question is already answered - no parents will call their child with the suffix -kun in an affectionate way.
/epiphany
EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE NOW!

Well. As for you...
Here's another vote for Kyou-tsundere and a motion to adjourn. :cool:If you mean adjourn as in "move it to another thread", then sure.


But if you mean adjourn as in delay... In the words of Mai: "I won't forgive you."
----
On a side note, 743 Hits! Go Tomoyo!

[Haruyasha]

Didn't read this thread, but Tomoyo says she doesn't have a razor.. she doesn't shave her legs? Or does she wax? ...

[tabun]

Ain't no grass growin' on steel, ya know?

[Kinny Riddle]

Didn't read this thread, but Tomoyo says she doesn't have a razor.. she doesn't shave her legs? Or does she wax? ...
Well, the Japanese dialogue used a more specified word - 髭剃り hige-sori (beard razor), meaning the shaver for the face. There's no such specific word in English, hence your confusion. I hope this clears things up.

[The Chaos]

so I like this show more than before every Time I see
many people I know they say this show is sucks
but the truth I love this series :love::love:
how many Ep is it ??don't tell he one of that show finish with 13 or 12 Ep :nono:

[KaneDragon]

Well, the Japanese dialogue used a more specified word - 髭剃り hige-sori (beard razor), meaning the shaver for the face. There's no such specific word in English, hence your confusion. I hope this clears things up.
I was wondering about that, too, until I forgot about it. Hairy legs indeed. :uhoh::heh:

[Takuto19]

Yeah that shaver joke confused me for a while too, never knew it ment beard razor heh, thanks for that. :)

[houkoholic]

Are you sure you've read the script carefully? Go back to the 16th of May and pay attention to what Ryou said at the end of the day. If you'd want to talk more about the game post up a topic in the game discussion.

Let's move the tsundere discussion to the game thread then. ;)

[Eisdrache]

Maybe I have lower expectations than some of you but I found this episode very well done. Fuko and Kyou were both awesome :) I really start to like the "hihi" moments of Nagisa, the chemistry between Tomoya and her is great. And Botan is just uber-cute =)
However the best moment of all was "I am going home."

[topboy]

maybe just only me...
but for this episode i feel like director try to put in "JOKE" to over frequency... nearly every scene (except scene in source material room & in movie club) contain joke and 60-70% of them not work for me.
A little more normal plot are always welcome.

[Eisdrache]

Less of Tomoyas masochistic friend (forgot his name -.-) would make the show so much better ... but sadly this is very unlikely. He ranks close to Aoi of Tokyo Majin Gakuen in being annoying all the time.

[fuzzles]

Less of Tomoyas masochistic friend (forgot his name -.-) would make the show so much better ... but sadly this is very unlikely. He ranks close to Aoi of Tokyo Majin Gakuen in being annoying all the time.


dont' diss sunohara he's super cool he's freaking hilarious you always need a character like him to balence things out, the scenes between nagisa and tomoya almost make me cry without sunohara i couldn't bare to watch this

[Shadowfox79]

dont' diss sunohara he's super cool he's freaking hilarious you always need a character like him to balence things out, the scenes between nagisa and tomoyo almost make me cry without sunohara i couldn't bare to watch this

I also do appreciate Sunohara's contribution to the show with him being beat up, but keep in mind this isn't a comedy. If the comedy is the only thing thats keeping you're interest, then idk. This is supposed to be a drama show where its a mix of comedy, romance, etc. The show does a great job balancing out the serious scenes (romance/drama) with the comedy/relaxing scenes.

[fuzzles]

I also do appreciate Sunohara's contribution to the show with him being beat up, but keep in mind this isn't a comedy. If the comedy is the only thing thats keeping you're interest, then idk. This is supposed to be a drama show where its a mix of comedy, romance, etc. The show does a great job balancing out the serious scenes (romance/drama) with the comedy/relaxing scenes.

yeah i said it balenced it out the drama would be too much without someone like sunohara dont' get me wrong i love those scenes with just nagisa and tomoya but they can be pretty strong at times to me

[Cyz]

You know, I was expecting that before Nagisa waved at Tomoyo, she's gonna mentioned a food or something. I guess not, but maybe she whispered it? Anyway, Sanae's running out of shame is really funny. Let's see....Fuko and her efforts on trying to keep the pain hidden to get her knife back and Sunohara getting beaten up like crazy. Guess he deserves that one.

[herbert]

I have skimmed through this thread but seems no one being interested in Sunohara's little sister.

I am sincerely hoping she can make appearance in future. I think she would be cute since I believe Sunohara himself would be a cutie if he crossdresses. Just hope Tomoya's joke doesn't come true if it really happens (do not what kind of face he makes but it doesn't look a good one)

Btw, please be careful when writting Tomoya's and Tomoyo's names. It really confusing sometimes when people writes "Tomoya" as "Tomoyo" or another way around.

[Master Chibi]

This series has too many freaking trees.

[Lilith]

This series has too many freaking trees.
LOL really? Maybe it's related to the story? You know in the opening the last two scenes: green land that becomes all sand... :heh:

[holyman282]

This series has too many freaking trees.

Oh yeah. I'm with you, I prefer a desolate landscape devoid of any flora whatsoever. Cause looking at sand as your background is so much better then looking at oxygen producing, aesthetically pleasing trees..

[toxic_trance]

This series has too many freaking trees.

And ur point is???? :confused:

Well..I think the greenery kind of gives the positive attitude the characters portray. It kind of gives a happy feeling to the whole anime

[Kang Seung Jae]

This series has too many freaking trees.

Now now, Master Chibi, this isn't Tokyo you know....



However, the cherry trees ARE important, in a certain arc.

[tabun]

It would be more fun if you actually liked the trees. You could then call yourself Midori no Chibi.

Oh come on, at least a chuckle? No?

[Sinestra]

Another great episode as expected. Everyone has pretty much said what i wanted to so no point in repeating it. Nagisa is damn cute it can painful at times in a good way.

[holyman282]

Nagisa is damn cute it can painful at times in a good way.

I'll agree to that.. You'd never expect she's older then Tomoya!:heh:

[Master Chibi]

Oh yeah. I'm with you, I prefer a desolate landscape devoid of any flora whatsoever. Cause looking at sand as your background is so much better then looking at oxygen producing, aesthetically pleasing trees..

I know, right?

See some tumbleweed fly by, hear the call of vultures in the background, that type of thing.

: D

[Lowell1025]

I know, right?

See some tumbleweed fly by, hear the call of vultures in the background, that type of thing.

: D

I was gonna comment something about you being in a forest, but then an image of Tomoya in cowboy outfit chasing after a cow made me forgot what I was going to say......errrrrrr........


Anyway there aren't many trees that apperaed in the show. They only drew 57 trees (not counting bushes) so far you know....if you don't believe me you can go back and count...

[Baka-yuki]

I was gonna comment something about you being in a forest, but then an image of Tomoya in cowboy outfit chasing after a cow made me forgot what I was going to say......errrrrrr........


Anyway there aren't many trees that apperaed in the show. They only drew 57 trees (not counting bushes) so far you know....if you don't believe me you can go back and count...


Why not count the bushes? They could grow...maybe...
These last two episodes have made my favorite charecter Tomoyo, Need to go back and see what the kick counter is up too.
"Compared to Tomoyo's kick, whos hurt more?" -Priceless

Edit: I think it was up to 748 last time I checked

[holyman282]

Anyway there aren't many trees that apperaed in the show. They only drew 57 trees (not counting bushes) so far you know....if you don't believe me you can go back and count...

I'm more disturbed at the fact that you actually went and counted all the trees in clannad... That's what I call dedication i guess.:uhoh:

[orion]

I'm more disturbed at the fact that you actually went and counted all the trees in clannad... That's what I call dedication i guess.:uhoh:


I agree. That's Clannad dedication! :heh:

@Nightengale: Sorry. I'd be bludgeoned to death with a "ban" club if I explained it any further with details. Oh yeah, I couldn't post this earlier because of work. So sorry for posting late. :sad:

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

finally got to see the episode and its pretty good. Although it felt like the story didn't really progress much in this episode compared to the previous two, it was still entertaining.


-Kyou's kick to the face on Sunohara looked painful and much more powerful than what Tomoyo has been doing to Sunohara so far. Plus Tomoya's little comment to Sunohara about which kick hurts most, Kyou's kicks or Tomoyo's kicks, was pretty funny. Plus Kyou's kicks knocked Sunohara out. Although that little boar did look cute.
- Tomoyo attacked Sunohara out of not calling it "self defense". That was a surprising change as she literally got irritated at Sunohara's antics.
- Fuuko looking for her knife on Tomoya was funny. She also does the whole "dribble, dribble, shoot, high five" routine to Tomoya again...hahah funny. But she gave her star away to Tomoya...I wonder why she made that star.
- The beginning we get the "other dimension" girl and her robot friend and this time, this scene lasts a little longer than the previous scenes in the previous episodes. Is it just me, or do the animations for the "other dimension" girl look pretty smooth compared to when they go back to the show...
- Nagisa's dad giving away free bread to Tomoya and Nagisa's mom running out of the shop because her husband doesn't like the bread or it just doesn't sell...haha but Nagisa's family sure is a lively one.
- Nagisa's explanation about the Dango Daikazoku and how different she was compared to her explaining what the club was about.
- The next preview looks like Sunohara will try to hook up with Tomoyo...now that would be pretty interesting to see.

Good episode
8/10

[Klashikari]

it isn't you.
Since the first episode, the animation of the "unknown girl" is unrealistically smooth.
In fact, in such scenes, they doubled/tripled the amount of unique frame, thus rendering a top nocht fluid movement result, contrasting a lot with the rest of the animation of the series.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

yea I just really noticed that her animations are super smooth and are already movie quality.
I guess with that much meaning and importance within those "other dimension" scenes to Clannad, they had to make the animations for her really smooth.:heh:
I'm still getting blanks on what that scene might mean to Clannad later on, but for now, she built a robot to call as her friend or to call as a family member.
Weird world....where you create things and they come to life just like that.

[iamandragon]

yea I just really noticed that her animations are super smooth and are already movie quality.
I guess with that much meaning and importance within those "other dimension" scenes to Clannad, they had to make the animations for her really smooth.:heh:
I'm still getting blanks on what that scene might mean to Clannad later on, but for now, she built a robot to call as her friend or to call as a family member.
Weird world....where you create things and they come to life just like that.

It's not that the robot is coming to life, but it the boy's soul entering the vessel, which is the robot. The girl's power is only [beep--]

Not much of a spoiler, but I think you'll figure out very soon enough...

The part where Tomoya ripped part of Nagisa's bun is quite sweet to...

[holyman282]

It's not that the robot is coming to life, but it the boy's soul entering the vessel, which is the robot. The girl's power is only [beep--]

Not much of a spoiler, but I think you'll figure out very soon enough...

The part where Tomoya ripped part of Nagisa's bun is quite sweet to...

I was wondering why Nagisa was a bit surprised at that scene and I noticed a bit of blushing... Wonder what she thought about Tomoya doing that lol.

[Mirrinus]

I was wondering why Nagisa was a bit surprised at that scene and I noticed a bit of blushing... Wonder what she thought about Tomoya doing that lol.

Indirect kiss? Well...maybe not quite...

[iamandragon]

I was wondering why Nagisa was a bit surprised at that scene and I noticed a bit of blushing... Wonder what she thought about Tomoya doing that lol.

Nagisa dripped a few tears on that part of the bun eariler, Tomoya doesn't want Nagisa to eat that part, which he think doesn't suit the taste of a red-bean bun.

[dgreater1]

It's quite deep, and it means he's trying to cheer her up... but iamadragon reason makes sense too.

[iamandragon]

I'm not sure boys like Tomoya can actually cheer girls up...I mean...I like personalities like Tomoya, but if he actually tries to cheer me up, I'll be freaked.

[holyman282]

Well true sarcastic, sort of guys like Tomoya aren't the type to cheer people up, although I find it nice that he tries to anyway.

[orion]

I thought it was sweet what he did.

I still think that the sarcasm is a shield to prevent him from getting hurt.

[holyman282]

I thought it was sweet what he did.

I still think that the sarcasm is a shield to prevent him from getting hurt.

I agree if you look at the sort of family Tomoya has then you can kind of understand why he behaves the way he does... It's also why he asks in the first ep that families like Nagisa's actually exist. If you look closely every ep does a good job in building an overall picture of each character's persona.

[Ultima_Rasengan05]

On another note, this episode kinda ended in a cliffhanger...even though we know that Nagisa will probably get a warning for putting up a flyer without the Council's permission, knowing Nagisa being shy, I wonder how she will take it? Probably Tomoya will come in to defend her as well, since he is part of the club.

[toxic_trance]

I think they will receive a deadline for the establishment of the club by collecting the min number of members required. Nagisa and Tomoya get all the cute girls together..and we have a kick ass Drama Club ^_^

[mickal555]

I liked how tomoya screwed with his friend when he was half asleep, that made me laugh.

The tomoyo kicks are getting a little clique, hopefully tomoya's friend because a stronger character and I'll be able to remember his name.. ><

[iamandragon]

A friend reminded me, so i watched this part carefully, and here's our question:

WHERE ON THE EARTH DID FUKO GET THAT STAR OUT!?

See pix:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4018/starrg3.th.png (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starrg3.png)

[FatPianoBoy]

Seems to be either:
A. Her shirt
B. Hammer Space

[holyman282]

A friend reminded me, so i watched this part carefully, and here's our question:

WHERE ON THE EARTH DID FUKO GET THAT STAR OUT!?

See pix:
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4018/starrg3.th.png (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=starrg3.png)

lol what are you implying iamandragon?:heh:

Those uniforms don't have pockets big enough for those stars

[toxic_trance]

Doesnt it show??? I mean..she took it out from inside her shirt..she had kept it inside her shirt or the outer brown clothing..whatever it is called. Its not a big deal to keep stuff inside u

[iamandragon]

I tried putting stuff inside my skirt, but not only it shows up very obviously, it won't even hold a glass! It looks like a Doraemon reference to me..

[holyman282]

I think you are over analysing things..

[mickal555]

No!

This is a very important topic.

Never mind the tomoyo super kicks that probably violate the laws of realtivity.

Would that star really fit in there?!

[Ascaloth]

No!

This is a very important topic.

Never mind the tomoyo super kicks that probably violate the laws of realtivity.

Would that star really fit in there?!

I think a more pertinent question would be, "what kind of places has that star been to?" :heh:

[holyman282]

I think a more pertinent question would be, "what kind of places has that star been to?" :heh:

Please, don't taint my image of Fuku!! Or maybe it's just me:heh:

[konstargirl]

YAY!! I was happy that Puhi came out of this episode. I laughed at kyou when she kicked Sunohara. XD

[velvet]

YAY!! I was happy that Puhi came out of this episode. I laughed at kyou when she kicked Sunohara. XD

So tomorrow is episode 4? :heh:

Maybe I should rewatch CLANNAD :)

[Mirrinus]

Summer always ends up being rewatch season for me, so such a plan would sit well with me...

[Moonie]

YAY!! I was happy that Puhi came out of this episode. I laughed at kyou when she kicked Sunohara. XD

Good to see you're watching it everyday. :)
Now I feel like rewatching Clannad myself too. :heh: