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Pellissier
2007-10-18, 04:08
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edit: now having seen the episode....
Konoe makes a good addition to the cast, especially since they're such a bunch of oddballs to begin with. She basically ends up being a complete airhead; putting a tablecloth on her desk, misunderstanding what others said, falling asleep on other people's lap, wandering around looking at birds, having feathers from said birds stuck in her hair, and just all around being clumsy and somewhat confused. The mystery over how she's related to Hecate and Bal Masque also keeps you interested, and should make for a good overarching plotline.
also thought Yoshida was a riot this week, as they have her so absorbed with the usual "oh no! what if Konoe is a tomogara! I have to protect sakai, etc., etc." that she got hit in the face with a volleyball. And then when she went into exposition mode, Konoe just falls asleep on Yoshida's lap. :heh: glad to see they're not taking themselves too seriously here. (was also funny to see Margery start to mutter her usual battlecry that she'll destroy any denizen who shows up...only to fall asleep before she finished.)
the Tomogara of the week wasn't anything special, but he was fun while he lasted. (got in way over his head) Fight was enjoyable, pleased to see Shana actually hitting something. There wasn't nearly as big a rift between Shana and Yuji either when it came to the testing if Konoe was a human or not as I had thought there'd be, which is too bad. still, with Shana being convinced Konoe's a human out of the way, I suppose Konoe can move up to being another rival for Yuji's affection (though from what I've seen so far, Yuji is just being friendly and Shana's going to misunderstand that...as usual -_- Yoshida seems to be in the same deal, but she never really acts on her fears until pushed to the limit, so I'm not really interested in her non-action and usual stalking)
looks like everything's finally taken off, first episode this season I throughly enjoyed from start to finish. Anyway, next week seems to be Shana hitting Yuji on the head with a stick, which is always fun.
Oh shit, it's a square now.
Volleyball is serious business for Shana.
Screenshots (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/10/18/shakugan-no-shana-ii-03/) or ep. 3 courtesy of Random Curiosity. Pls. look at it at your own risk.
Shana is getting jealous since she had another competition for Yuuji's heart
FlameSparkZ
2007-10-18, 16:39
:eek: @ Yuuji
Nice episode all around, Konoe is really cute :nod:
And Yuuji's behaviour was expected...I like that in a male lead *thumbs up*
serenade_beta
2007-10-18, 16:46
Nice episode!
Margery- ...... she's been rather useless these days... Well, she got up to test Fumina, though she only ended up scaring some birds.
Shana/Yuuji/Yoshida- Shana gets overly suspicious (Minus points from me :( ), Yuuji is willing to believe her, and Kazumi gets worked up only to get hit with a volleyball and act as a pillow.
The Denizen- What's his name?... Couldn't hear it too well. Stupid idiot, rushing in without preperation...
Matake- Ah, she seems to be having fun.
Fumina- The new character that causes so much trouble without knowing it. She gets confronted twice by Shana, but at least they believe she's human now. She seems to have had quite the "ojou-sama" life, where she believes that food is supposed to be served to you and people help you dress. She even decided to take someone's seat, just like that, hahaha~ :D She also likes birds and gets attached to Yuuji.
Her butler is called "Jiiya" *sweatdrop*......
Next time- The Daily Life of Fumina + Two Jealous Girls...... Wonder what will happen next~?
I did not say it last time, but Shana in a ponytail is the cutest thing ever. I have to add girls in ponytail's look alot better than any other style. (at least for me :) )
The Denizen- What's his name?... Couldn't hear it too well. Stupid idiot, rushing in without preperation...
not really sure what the heck he was saying his name was...or at least can't find any probable mythic base names.
suppose we'll find out when they update the official site.
edit: you know, actually think his name might have been kasha, as in Rakshasas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakshasas)
Most one sided fight of the series
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Is there a lightning serve clip somewhere?
Is there a lightning serve clip somewhere?
What would I get in return? :p
Kang Seung Jae
2007-10-18, 19:01
As I was watching this, I got this question: What if there was a way for Hecate to take on a human form.....
I'm not sure if it works in this world system, but if that's the case, maybe she's trying to "fill" her empty inside with memories, like what she did in season 1.
Well, I've gotten bored waiting for a response.
Here's the lightning serve. Just send cash.
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As I was watching this, I got this question: What if there was a way for Hecate to take on a human form.....
I'm not sure if it works in this world system, but if that's the case, maybe she's trying to "fill" her empty inside with memories, like what she did in season 1.
your guess is as good as mine :confused:
did notice that konoe has a little bracelet on her right hand all the time though, and most of the characters' accessories tend to be important. if Hecate did 'become human', maybe it has something to do with that. (Hougu, unrestricted spell, plot hole, etc.) :confused:
PhantomX
2007-10-18, 20:50
All I know is that Sakai Yuji needs to stop being such a pimp... or he's going to get into some messes so big he won't know what to do XD
Well, I've gotten bored waiting for a response.
Here's the lightning serve. Just send cash.
6pOl_WMhx40Thank you. Godly.
Shana staff is pretty interesting in their humor execution. Or is it a carryover from the original novels?
Shadowfox79
2007-10-18, 22:48
awesome clip, you'd think ppl would see something was different about the serve...
Thank you. Godly.
Shana staff is pretty interesting in their humor execution. Or is it a carryover from the original novels?
well, if you've seen the Shana-tan specials they included on the dvds, you know this staff has a pretty off-kilter sense of humor.
I can't offhand remember anything quite as crazy in the show proper as what happened to Yoshida this week, but on the other hand this really is nothing compared to what they do when they're allowed to just animate pure comedy.
well, if you've seen the Shana-tan specials they included on the dvds, you know this staff has a pretty off-kilter sense of humor.
I can't offhand remember anything quite as crazy in the show proper as what happened to Yoshida this week, but on the other hand this really is nothing compared to what they do when they're allowed to just animate pure comedy.Yeah it seems the staff's just itching to go all out when there's a chance.
Deathkillz
2007-10-19, 01:05
bleh! i still believe that the girl is hecate in disguise. Maybe sent in as a spy + memory wipe so that she cant be detected or have her powers sealed away.
A pretty nice ep and its nice to see shana less stubbon for once. she and yoshida might have to join forces against a common enemy now :heh:
that dumbass tomogara...and i thought he was going to be a challange :rolleyes:
Kang Seung Jae
2007-10-19, 01:43
I hope we have some...... hot air come from the emtions erupting in episode 4.
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-19, 03:11
Noto kawaii yo, Noto. :love: :love:
Whether she's Hecate or not, she's melted a lot of people's hearts already, when she shares the same voice as Hecate. We now have a three-way battle for Yuji.
I pity the ponytail girl that was forced to move seats because Fumika wanted to sit there next to Yuji. :heh:
Who knows, maybe the jealousy would actually lead to the eternal rivals Shana and Yoshida joining forces to get rid of Fumika. :D
And that has got to be the weakest Denizen I've seen, coupled with an idiotic laugh. I hope the series doesn't fall into the "(Lame) Monster/Denizen of the Week" format.
Darknemo2000
2007-10-19, 06:22
A rather interesting episode, that has some jealousy thrown in, yet judging from preview there should be much more of that to come in the future.
P.S. Poeple should stop using Yuotube-crap. Its pretty much clear that now it is just useless piece of junk where the episodes will be deleted almost in an instant.
akitakumi
2007-10-19, 08:23
Is konoe = hecate? coz i nt yet watch the episode but they looks alike very much :confused:
PhantomX
2007-10-19, 09:49
bleh! i still believe that the girl is hecate in disguise. Maybe sent in as a spy + memory wipe so that she cant be detected or have her powers sealed away.
A pretty nice ep and its nice to see shana less stubbon for once. she and yoshida might have to join forces against a common enemy now :heh:
that dumbass tomogara...and i thought he was going to be a challange :rolleyes:
How could anyone wearing Heelies, let alone FLAMING Heelies, be anything of a challenge to anyone?
sapphirearcz
2007-10-19, 11:16
i believe that she is hecate too.. don't tell me now she gonna join in the fight for Yuji as well.. really want to see some nice fighting scenes now though
That was awesome!
Shana S2 has definitely found its stride now. What a great episode!
Xellos-_^
2007-10-19, 14:09
i believe that she is hecate too.. don't tell me now she gonna join in the fight for Yuji as well.. really want to see some nice fighting scenes now though
Well Yuuji did filled her up like no one else :p She is just back for more Yuuji.
This ep is made up of so much win it's insane.
Schoolgirl Hecate clinging to Yuji, the volleyball segment with both Yoshida and Shana (definite Shanatan parody here), and the new love triangle....ZnT has nothing on Shana.
The only real weak spot (aside from a forgettable villain ripped off from Buso Renkin) was Margery. She really needs to get off her ass and do something :heh:
Darknemo2000
2007-10-19, 15:20
ZnT first season wasn't that bad and was good enough to be a worthy opponent for Shakugan No Shana first season, however it all changed with incredibly crappy ZnT second season which was badly done, rushed and filled with dumb boob-jokes. Shakugan No Shana has only three episodes so far, yet it already is better than anything what ZnT 2 season could offer. Its hard to believe that both animes were done by the same studio (yet by two different teams). The difference of class is clearly visible.
serenade_beta
2007-10-19, 16:23
I pity the ponytail girl that was forced to move seats because Fumika wanted to sit there next to Yuji. :heh:
Did she really choose the seat because of Yuuji? She just walked up and said she liked this seat, and she didn't even know him until Kazumi mentioned him to her.
aside from a forgettable villain ripped off from Buso Renkin
Who, Hiwatari?
Did she really choose the seat because of Yuuji? She just walked up and said she liked this seat, and she didn't even know him until Kazumi mentioned him to her.
On the other hand, she also grabbed Yuji at lunch time without realizing it.
Even if Konoe doesn't know it, someone wants Konoe sitting next to Yuji (though in retrospect...that sounds like the single dumbest evil plan I've ever heard of )
another new girl, shana and yoshida rival. When girl jealous is very dangerous.. >.<", Yuji will very tire in his training next episode... :heh:
the new girl look exactly like Hecate, maybe is herself as well, Hecate herself also know nothing about live so higher chance to be same person...
changeup
2007-10-20, 11:09
Shana is incredibly cold-blooded in this episode. She was not testing Konoe, but just wanting her to die... she must have a lot of hatred towards Hecate ... and Yuuji was too dumb to figure this out, or maybe he pretended to be dumb.
Owaranai Destiny
2007-10-20, 11:24
Shana is incredibly cold-blooded in this episode. She was not testing Konoe, but just wanting her to die... she must have a lot of hatred towards Hecate ... and Yuuji was too dumb to figure this out, or maybe he pretended to be dumb.
Instead of using such a terrible description, try 'Extremely protective'. :)
That 'hatred' she has towards Hecate is probably entirely because of Yuuji. The first thought that probably sprang to her mind then was the eliminate the enemy or any possibility of it being connected with the enemy so that Yuuji can be safe.
Of course, the secondary thought here would probably be to fulfill her duty as a Flame Haze.
Yuuji, on the other hand, tend to look at facts staring at him straight in the eyes, like how Konoe wasn't moving at all in a Fuzetsu. That point was especially emphasized by how Kazumi was about the move in it, even though she could move because of the tool Khamsin gave her.
Sub is out, thanks Mentar and co! Back with impressions soon.
Well...I'm liking Konoe more than Kazumi already XD
Decent episode. Will be nice to see Yuji(hopefully) get some abilities and not just be in the way. I'd rather not like even more harem though, ghh
serenade_beta
2007-10-20, 14:16
"Distressed girls"
The transfer student who has the same face as Hecate, Konoe Fumina, grows accustomed to school life with the support of her kind classmates. She eats lunch with Shana, Yoshida, Yuuji, and Ogata. But it isn't like their doubt on her has disappeared.
Margery and Wilhemina look out for suspicious things, without watching for the movement of the Bal Masque from the Flame Hazes around the world. (I don't understand/can't translate this statement, but it has something to do with those two preparing for anything suspicious).
Knowing or not knowing it, Yuuji invites everyone to a newly opened restauraunt. Then, while Yuuji and Satou are having a ramen-eating contest, Fumina disappears.
http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/04_01.jpg
They're looking at something...
http://www.shakugan.com/story/img/2nd_ss/04_02.jpg
Soaked Fumina...
Probably cleaning the pool
Oh no! Cliffhanging summary!:(
Stupid Yuuji...
FlareKnight
2007-10-20, 14:31
Well looks like Shana's got even more trouble now. Bad enough with Kazumi but now a Hecate look a like has shown up. Would have been a lot easier on her if Konoe was Hecate and she could attack quickly. I'm still not completely sold myself. Bal Masque seems to be on the move so we can' t cut anything out. Now if we could see Hecate out there with them that'd save concerns.
Man that guy really was a small fry. Poor sap couldn't even tell how dangerous his opponetns were. Well at least he was useful in testing Shana's suspicions but not much else really.
Great volleyball play by Shana. With a shot like that anyone trying to counter might actually die :heh:. But next week seems to be trouble on the relationship field. Both Shana and Kazumi will have to deal with this girl.
Anh_Minh
2007-10-20, 16:30
Well, I don't know if Konoe's a tomogara, but she's definitely going to be killed by yandere Yoshida. Or, less likely, by Shana.
Also, what kind of idiot starts his career by picking fights with random people? He should have known he was just a small fry, and that even an average flame haze was a major danger to him.
anselfir
2007-10-20, 16:48
muhahahhahaa delicius hecate is delicious. development for evil waifu?
KaneDragon
2007-10-20, 17:24
Good, Sensei, you look kinda cool (http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7476/snapshot20071020175549se5.jpg). >_< He looks away... wait for it... wait or it... Yes, he still looks like that. :heh:
lol @ Yoshida getting pounded. Instant replay! :D
Not happy with how close Shana was cutting it with that small fry. I thought that Shana would just try slicing a chunk out of Hecate II and then repairing with Yuji's flame. Also expected Yuji to at least yell at Shana about what happened.
And poor Zest bites the dust again. ;_;
SoldierOfDarkness
2007-10-20, 17:27
Also, what kind of idiot starts his career by picking fights with random people? He should have known he was just a small fry, and that even an average flame haze was a major danger to him.
An overzealous fry that was manipulated by a certain someone.
KaneDragon
2007-10-20, 17:31
Also, Konoe is love. Yakumo, I missed you.... ;_;
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7413/konoemr7.th.jpg (http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=konoemr7.jpg)
And "blue insignia" was mentioned earlier, but I'm sure that was just an offhand remark that has nothing to do with the current situation... :p
Major1138
2007-10-20, 17:40
Even though they have shown that Konoe isn't Hecate, it's still way too much of coincidence. Clearly something else is going on, and the Bal Masque's brief "everything as planned" moment suggests that there is more to it that we've seen so far. Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out, although in episode four it looks like Shana and Yoshida are jealous about how Konoe is hanging out with Yuji.
Best episode so far, Konoe/Hecate has been fun to watch so far. 8/10
Masanori Ota
2007-10-20, 17:57
Even though they have shown that Konoe isn't Hecate, it's still way too much of coincidence. Clearly something else is going on, and the Bal Masque's brief "everything as planned" moment suggests that there is more to it that we've seen so far. Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out, although in episode four it looks like Shana and Yoshida are jealous about how Konoe is hanging out with Yuji.
I'm gonna quote you on that because, see, Konoe's meeting with Yuuji probably isn't what it seems. I'm guessing it has to do more with SERIOUS BUSINESS and less with love, though love may play a part in it. Of course, I could be horribly wrong (as I often am) and their meeting has everything to do with romance and nothing to do with VIRAL MARKETING.
Forgive me, /a/'s down.
prosnoopy
2007-10-20, 18:21
Awesome episode 8/10.
This is back up to a 9. I don't like how weak they are showing the Tomagara, as I was under the impression all of season one that they were extremely difficult beings to deal with. Now they just seem to be useless pawns of the Bal Masque.
I love Hecate! :)
anselfir
2007-10-20, 19:37
Must rewatch season 1 hecate.
the hecate presence is to prepare for later developments me think, to make certain plot twists seem less jarring. the way you would introduce a character through training and then show off power level is different from introducing a magical character that shows off power immediately. this is character development in the development sense.
Terrestrial Dream
2007-10-20, 19:41
So finally Magery does something besides drinking, and now there is this mystery of Konoe/Hecate to keep things interesting. Though it seems like it's either turning into harem or it already became a harem. So far enjoyable I would give 8, now hoperfully more of Bal Masuque's plan will be revealed.
This ep was great. You just know something very fishy is going on, and you are waiting for something extraordinary to happen in the ep, but they keep baiting you and wouldn't give in. Next ep should give us a little more info on what exactly is going on.
This season's Shana seems even better than the first one.
alvinkhorfire
2007-10-20, 20:31
On the other hand, she also grabbed Yuji at lunch time without realizing it.
Even if Konoe doesn't know it, someone wants Konoe sitting next to Yuji (though in retrospect...that sounds like the single dumbest evil plan I've ever heard of )
She is somehow attracted to Yuji and all her action are based on instinct without her knowing it, I guess.
FlareKnight
2007-10-20, 20:57
Do think there is more to this than just way too weird coincidence. Her being drawn to Yuji is something to look at. Way too many instances of her getting close to him from forcing her way to a seat next to him, grabbing him during lunch, and from the preview for next week. She's not a torch programed since they'd notice, doesn't seem to be Hecate...not like you can create a human so easily. Unless that professor is working with cloning?
Well seems like there is quite the variety in strength level of Tomogara. Have seen some small fires so far, though we know they can get to the seriously powerful level as well. Interested in seeing what the plot that Bal Masque is working on is.
KaneDragon
2007-10-20, 21:36
It's the "blue insignia", I'm sure. Eyepatch lady used it to turn Hecate into a moe moe high school girl. Once the Professor crashes a blimp into a random structure, she'll suddenly regain her memories and... um... I don't know, keep talking, I guess. So moe I could die. ;_;
Or if Konoe isn't Hecate, maybe if the real Hecate shows up, they'll cancel each other out like matter-antimatter, or become best friends and... wear... matching outfits... ;_; Hecate has a nice hat.
Well if Konoe is not Hecate then im wondering what role she'll have in the story
For my thoughts
i think the people from Bal Masque sent Konoe to like separate Shana and Yuji, thats probably why Shana and Yuji are fighting in the preview
For next episode:
Do i really want to see this love "square" now :heh:
Yoshida, Shana, Konoe and Yuji
Well if Konoe is not Hecate then im wondering what role she'll have in the story
For my thoughts
i think the people from Bal Masque sent Konoe to like separate Shana and Yuji, thats probably why Shana and Yuji are fighting in the preview
I personally just read that fighting scene as being a regular training scene between Shana and Yuji myself.
Aquifina
2007-10-20, 22:49
I personally just read that fighting scene as being a regular training scene between Shana and Yuji myself.
Well, knowing Shana, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a bit more aggressive than usual.
What I'd really like to see is how Yoshida deals with this. And how long it'll take Yuuji to figure out why Shana and Yoshida seem so miffed.
Well, knowing Shana, I wouldn't be surprised if she was a bit more aggressive than usual.
What I'd really like to see is how Yoshida deals with this. And how long it'll take Yuuji to figure out why Shana and Yoshida seem so miffed.
what you mean how Yoshida's going to deal with this? 0_o
she's going to do what she always does (including this week), think about the situation way too much, become highly insular and slightly creepy, and just happen to be walking by while Yuji is having some sort of interaction with Konoe in a public area. (apparently all walls, telephone poles, trees, bushes, etc. are reserved for Yoshida) maybe she'll eventually have a moment of clarity (like when she confessed), but I doubt thats coming next week.
best we can hope for is that she teams up with Shana, which would actually be pretty amusing.
KholdStare
2007-10-20, 23:02
9/10
I thought this episode was very good. It's cute, funny, and I just enjoyed it overall. So far this I've given this episode the highest rating for this season, and I hope that future non-action orientated ones will be similar to this.
BTW, I think Shakugan no Shana officially has the most cutest characters, and I'm taking Kanon, SHnY, CCS, and other well-animated anime into consideration. Most of the girls are cute, include the female leads.
OverFunk
2007-10-21, 02:19
Konoe is officially now a walking pillar of moe. I kinda even forgot Shana for a second there. Looking forward to next week.
Somehow this series can do better comedy than actual comedy series out there. I laughed during most of the volleyball scene. And the lunch scenes.
Too bad it's lacking in story so far. Mare was so undeveloped even for a filler villian, but they surpassed that with this other denizen, which I can't even remember his name.
The only real weak spot (aside from a forgettable villain ripped off from Buso Renkin) was Margery. She really needs to get off her ass and do something :heh:
Exactly my first thought. But at least Gouta has some skills.
Good, Sensei, you look kinda cool (http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7476/snapshot20071020175549se5.jpg). >_< He looks away... wait for it... wait or it... Yes, he still looks like that. :heh:
In during teacherclose.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9897/teachercloseec2.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9897/teachercloseec2.jpg)
I also noticed a bad shot from Konoe, although the big eyes usually mask QUALITY.
I really do hope they're saving the money for the novel material.
kimchipride
2007-10-21, 03:01
Konoe is officially now a walking pillar of moe. I kinda even forgot Shana for a second there. Looking forward to next week.
Somehow this series can do better comedy than actual comedy series out there. I laughed during most of the volleyball scene. And the lunch scenes.
Too bad it's lacking in story so far. Mare was so undeveloped even for a filler villian, but they surpassed that with this other denizen, which I can't even remember his name.
Exactly my first thought. But at least Gouta has some skills.
In during teacherclose.jpg
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9897/teachercloseec2.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9897/teachercloseec2.jpg)
I also noticed a bad shot from Konoe, although the big eyes usually mask QUALITY.
I really do hope they're saving the money for the novel material.
ROFL on the teacher picture!
It was an ok episode. Yuji's fine with the love quadrilateral as long as he doesn't turn to a Makoto:p
KholdStare
2007-10-21, 03:04
I'll be expecting a nice boat reference in this anime soon too. :D
serenade_beta
2007-10-21, 04:15
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9897/teachercloseec2.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/9897/teachercloseec2.jpg)
I also noticed a bad shot from Konoe, although the big eyes usually mask QUALITY.
*bends over in laughter*
It's amazing how easy it is to not notice the scene when watching the episode, but it's so funny and obvious when directly presented. :D
Which shot of Fumina?
outcast_within
2007-10-21, 06:05
reasonable episode for a haremn anime
DazarGaidin
2007-10-21, 07:35
Im hanging in there, but this season isnt nearly as enjoyable for me as the first. I cant fault anything in particular with the episode, i just dont like the direction they went overall witht he harem thing. Shana is better this season? Yeah okay...she was much cooler first season, and much more badass i think.
ANd i am sorry, she doesn't seem like the type to just accept all these women doing anything to irritate her in anyway lol I am surprised she hasn't threatened them with bodily harm.
This episode was actually most enjoyable out of the 3 i saw so far. And meh i also agree the first season was better. But still a lot of episodes to go so who knows :p
And meh the villain sure was disappointing, i didn't expect the villain to die like a noob that easily :uhoh:
Other than that. Did you knew people could move forward when running like that? Look at her legs move...
Plays a bit fast in FF. But check it in opera or IE if it's to fast.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s100/Sephi2K7/Misc/lolrun.gif
Kaioshin Sama
2007-10-21, 12:52
Most one sided fight of the series
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Yeah, and people claim the Gundam's in 00 are overpowered. I don't recall one of them just standing there, taking what amounted to a small nuclear explosion right next to it, and then with a small "Hmph" proceeding with the Coup de Grace. Shana is kind of overpowered here, whether it's in her playing arcade style volleyball and drilling the ball into the floor with explosive effects, or taking hits from Chariots of Fire there while dealing perfect counterblows.
Also, I don't really understand why they are so scared of the thought of Fumina being Hecate. If I recall, Hayate was more like a pawn and barely did anything to try and harm them in the first series. All she did was the pseudo-rape of Yuji and that was it. Hecate never struck me as a particularly dangerous or evil character when on her own.
One thing I noticed at the end is that everybody kind of had an intense look when Fumina reached up to grab Yuji's arm. Strange. We should find out about that next time. Nice use of a cliffhanger there.
serenade_beta
2007-10-21, 16:09
Other than that. Did you knew people could move forward when running like that? Look at her legs move...
Plays a bit fast in FF. But check it in opera or IE if it's to fast.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s100/Sephi2K7/Misc/lolrun.gif
Haha, the power of anime is not to be underestimated. :D
One thing I noticed at the end is that everybody kind of had an intense look when Fumina reached up to grab Yuji's arm. Strange. We should find out about that next time. Nice use of a cliffhanger there.
I think that was just jealousy.
SoldierOfDarkness
2007-10-21, 17:02
Yeah, and people claim the Gundam's in 00 are overpowered. I don't recall one of them just standing there, taking what amounted to a small nuclear explosion right next to it, and then with a small "Hmph" proceeding with the Coup de Grace. Shana is kind of overpowered here, whether it's in her playing arcade style volleyball and drilling the ball into the floor with explosive effects, or taking hits from Chariots of Fire there while dealing perfect counterblows.
I dunno maybe because he WAS a NOOB?
Deathkillz
2007-10-21, 17:45
I was seriously disappointed with that yaro though...all talk and no trousers to show for it :rolleyes:
His attack must have sucked hard if shana didnt even need to flinch...
bad animation? bleh :p
KaneDragon
2007-10-21, 17:47
"Flame of Heaven" isn't just for show, I guess. :p Maybe Dance Party proved more effective because it dealt magic damage instead of elemental?
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/952/specialtrainingjf3.th.jpg (http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specialtrainingjf3.jpg)
You gonna get some "special training". Hehe. Yes, my mistress! :D
DazarGaidin
2007-10-21, 22:06
Yeah, umm she was completely unaffected by his attacks cause they were FIRE lol SHe has burning embers resonating from her body people lol
PhantomX
2007-10-21, 22:42
"Flame of Heaven" isn't just for show, I guess. :p Maybe Dance Party proved more effective because it dealt magic damage instead of elemental?
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/952/specialtrainingjf3.th.jpg (http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specialtrainingjf3.jpg)
You gonna get some "special training". Hehe. Yes, my mistress! :D
I call the sexy maid bondage!:heh:
And yeah, I noticed the goofy teacher and running... but there were some way worse things in the first season (I noticed quality differences cuz I marathoned it), some poor renditions even of the main characters, so I didn't mind. Better the teacher than Shana, lol.
There I was, hoping for season 2 to deliver a more refined definition of the relationship(s) between Yuuji, Shana and Yoshida, maybe some development - but here we are, presented with yet another female showing affectionate behaviour towards Yuuji ~.~ Oh well!
Grimkill7
2007-10-22, 08:24
Normally I'd rant long and hard. Just don't have the will to do so right now. Just gonna say Konoe = goddess. That is all.
bleh! i still believe that the girl is hecate in disguise. Maybe sent in as a spy + memory wipe so that she cant be detected or have her powers sealed away.
A pretty nice ep and its nice to see shana less stubbon for once. she and yoshida might have to join forces against a common enemy now :heh:
that dumbass tomogara...and i thought he was going to be a challange :rolleyes:
Jep.
I was a little disappointed, they spend an entire episode of finding out whether or not Konoe is Hecate, and in the end there was no clear answer. Everything point to the fact that she is just normal human, I too can't shake the feeling that she is Hecate, either they indeed sealed her true self or she has nerves of steel.
I was expecting her to start moving at the last moment, but no.
In any way, Konoe is so moe~ :love:
serenade_beta
2007-10-22, 16:14
The official website updated with the stupid idiot Denizen.
Here's Kasha/Casha's profile:
A Denizen of the Crimson World. His flame's color is ivory. His appearance is that of a young man who wears a thin jacket and slacks with a fashionable string tie on his neck.
On all of his fingers, he has dozens of rings so big it makes bending them seem hard. On both of his ankles, he has wheels made of flames that allow high-speed movement.
The time he has spent in this world is relatively short, and age-wise, is a young Denizen.
Possessing a very strong ambition, he wants to slaughter Flame Hazes to gain fame.
He came to Misaki City when he coincidently sensed Shana and Margery's presence.
Nothing too amazing.
Well, Bal Masque didn't send him. He was just there...
Anh_Minh
2007-10-22, 16:46
That would mean that the "Just as planned" of the triclope woman had to do with Konoe, then.
Ashlotte
2007-10-22, 18:25
"Flame of Heaven" isn't just for show, I guess. :p Maybe Dance Party proved more effective because it dealt magic damage instead of elemental?
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/952/specialtrainingjf3.th.jpg (http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specialtrainingjf3.jpg)
You gonna get some "special training". Hehe. Yes, my mistress! :D
:love:
Well that was an awfully fun episode mostly because of konoe. Not really sure where there gonna go with all this, but damn is she cute. Almost made me feel like "Shana who?" :heh:
I absolutely agree, Konoe is awfully cute, and her almost unbelievably innocent and clueless demeanor makes her moeier than most.
Darknemo2000
2007-10-22, 23:52
True, that haremeish aspect of this episode isn't something that I find to be all that great. Maybe I watched ZnT II too much, and now every decent episode looks like something great.
Anyways it was pretty enjoyable episode, at least for me.
True, that haremeish aspect of this episode isn't something that I find to be all that great. Maybe I watched ZnT II too much, and now every decent episode looks like something great.
Anyways it was pretty enjoyable episode, at least for me.
I sure hope this is not the direction Shana 2 will take (which by the way I can hardly imagine). Also, here's to hope they won't send some weak Tomogara each episode, as this might quickly go pretty stale. At least the "according to plan"-part implicates some reasoning behind this...
Eisdrache
2007-10-23, 03:09
As much as I would like some stronger Tomogaras too I believe this weak one fitted very well in this episode. Imagine a Tomogara on Friagne level, you couldnt you assure Konoes safety (if she isnt an enemy)
Ah, that came across a bit wrong, I think: what I meant was the "one villain per episode" thing. I daresay Shana has more to offer in order to keep the story going than one of those fights per episode, especially now with the introduction of Konoe. But that's just me, nevermind an old man's ramblings ;)
holyman282
2007-10-23, 05:40
I really can't wait for the next ep.. This ep was great and even though she's a hecate look alike she still looks like Hecate and thats good enough for me!
Like I said can't wait for next ep, it looks like both the girls are all angsty in the next ep over
Yuji's and Konoe's closeness lol!!
Sinestra
2007-10-23, 07:46
Konoe is very adorable he seemingly lack of knowledge about everyday life makes her fun to watch. What struck me as very cute and the preview for the next episode confirmed it. When everyone was going to lunch she grabbed Yuji's arm and said "together" the look on Shana's and Yoshida's face's was that of jealousy and disbeliefe. There might have been some killing intent coming off Shana as well lol. Although im enjoying seeing the 2 girls get some competition I hope this does not turn into a harem, because thats not what SnS is about. Even still im enjoying it iv noticed we have gotten quite sometime in the classroom already as in the first season a lot of events took place outside of it.
After all this training Yuji is doing i swear he better do something freakin cool when the heavy fighting starts.
The people that are complaining may want to remember that not everything was as epic and not everything was always on POWER MODE last season, that only is true for the last episodes, the climax. You have to expect some build up episodes, and some character bonding and interaction for the later, more content filled episodes to be more meaningful; otherwise you will just get something Hellsing, and we don't want that, right? :p
Eisdrache
2007-10-23, 09:59
http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/952/specialtrainingjf3.th.jpg (http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=specialtrainingjf3.jpg)
You gonna get some "special training". Hehe. Yes, my mistress! :D
I believe this scene ruined the episode a bit ... Sure, it can be funny etc but Wilhelmina is not this type of character. What bugs me is that scenes like that give a wrong impression of her. In season 1 she was a (very) serious, caring person, now she is pretty much reduced to jealousy and comic beliefs :\
I believe this scene ruined the episode a bit ... Sure, it can be funny etc but Wilhelmina is not this type of character. What bugs me is that scenes like that give a wrong impression of her. In season 1 she was a (very) serious, caring person, now she is pretty much reduced to jealousy and comic beliefs :\
thats reading a bit much into just one shot meant to denote a training scene...
Anh_Minh
2007-10-23, 12:36
She was already jealous back in S1.
Akuma-sama
2007-10-23, 12:41
I personally wouldn't be against a love square. I've seen people here compare Shana II to ZnT in fear, but I doubt that's what'll happen; Shana, for one, is a MUCH more likable caracter than Louise "Narusegawa Naru 2.0" De la Vallière, even if both are tsunderes. Kazumi is also quite likable (and in her own triangle), and, as mentionned before, OH GOD KONOE IS MOE.
For the "Tomogara of the week" approach the series seem to be taking, I blame that on the current focus being the Bal Masqué; if another "Dark General"-type showed up out of the blue, you can be pretty sure this forum would be complaining about "Where's the Bal Masqué!?" instead. :heh: This episode's weakling had only one purpose, and that was to prove to Shana that yes, Konoe is Human... really.
...ok, raise your hand whoever believes that? ...anyone?
Right.
(My signature is probably completely out of date, showing how long it's been since I've posted here... :heh:)
Ashlotte
2007-10-23, 13:40
I believe this scene ruined the episode a bit ... Sure, it can be funny etc but Wilhelmina is not this type of character. What bugs me is that scenes like that give a wrong impression of her. In season 1 she was a (very) serious, caring person, now she is pretty much reduced to jealousy and comic beliefs :\
Are we thinking about the same character here... :eyebrow:
You do remember how grouchy she got with chigase in the first season when she saw what she was teaching shana right? And some of her reactions towards alastor. Honestly the way shes been this season just feels like a progression of how she was developing in the first one and it makes me love her character all the more. ;)
holyman282
2007-10-23, 13:49
I still think there is more to Konoe then meets the eyes.....
I still can't believe she's human since after they proved she bled, we got a scene with the bal Masque saying things are going to plan or something... That scene had to be put there to indicate something more with Konoe.
Mirrinus
2007-10-23, 15:15
Personally, I would still have preferred Shana to have lopped off Konoe's head. Wait, Hecate? Who's Hecate? Who cares about Tomogara or Bal Masque or whatever...she's getting in the way of Shana + Yuuji, and that's unforgivable to me!
Sorry, but I'm just not liking Konoe at all. What some people find cute, I just find...annoying. Or maybe I'm just too biased in favor of Shana, whatever...
Personally, I would still have preferred Shana to have lopped off Konoe's head. Wait, Hecate? Who's Hecate? Who cares about Tomogara or Bal Masque or whatever...she's getting in the way of Shana + Yuuji, and that's unforgivable to me!
Sorry, but I'm just not liking Konoe at all. What some people find cute, I just find...annoying. Or maybe I'm just too biased in favor of Shana, whatever...
i feel the same way, i don't understand why some people were freaking out going "oh no konoe is gonna die!" i was hoping shana wouldn't have saved her that just bugged me to death
Konoe Fumina, a girl cornered between the cloak of suspicion and the mist of ambiguity.
Is she really the Master Throne, Hecate? or could there be a possibility that she's a vessel made by the Bal Masque?
I am awared as well about that camera shot with Belpeol addressing that preparations are going as planned, and she had that machiavellan, devious tinge on her eyes.
Honestly, the tattle-tale signs are too obvious.
I mean Konoe just dropping out her books on two straight days, her expectations upon be served: being taught to change; to buy her food; etc.
But as well here innate affinity to cling on Yuuji or stay close to Yuuji.
It just smells a dead giveaway that she's Hecate, but the test with the Fuuzetsu coupled with Margery performing the unrestricted spell, and lastly, followed by the attack on the Tomogara to prove that she bleeds blood like an ordinary human, confirmed she's human.
How come if Konoe walks, bleeds, smells, and is sensed human, I feel that she's Hecate?:confused:
It doesn't make sense to me.
Oh, well! At least, Yuuji made progressive progress.
He was able to effectively sense that small-fry Tomogara's power of existence: its presence, whereabouts, and direction.
And such progress earned him a praising from Shana-chan.:eyespin:
The Wilhelmina training is paying off its fruits much to his chagrin.:heh:
But still, those small-fry Tomogara from the previous episodes are actually sacrificial pawns sent or not by Belpeol, and I suspect their sole purpose is to keep the Flame Hazes busy, while the Bal Masque did arrangements on whatever they could be linked with Konoe Fumina.
Because it cannot be a coincidence that a Hecate-look alike happens on the same city, the same school, and chooses to sit close to the mistess that carries the Reiji Maigo.
But tossing aside the serious stuff, Yuuji's love triangle seems to have officially expanded into a harem: Shana | Kazumi | now Konoe.:heh:
holyman282
2007-10-23, 19:17
not a harem yet! More of a love square! Until the girls that flock to Yuji turn out to be more then any existing shape has vertices or corners then i'll still use shapes.. Should another girl join in then i'll move from square to pentagon, then hexagon and so forth until it reaches polygon then i'll officially accept it as being harem!
Mirrinus
2007-10-23, 19:58
not a harem yet! More of a love square! Until the girls that flock to Yuji turn out to be more then any existing shape has vertices or corners then i'll still use shapes.. Should another girl join in then i'll move from square to pentagon, then hexagon and so forth until it reaches polygon then i'll officially accept it as being harem!
Uh...technically, triangles and squares are already polygons. ^_^
I consider it went it a harem when it goes from square to pentagon. As we are still at the square then it's not a harem
but when the Pheles appears then it would be a harem. And her being the most proactive of all. As we know Shana won't say anything unless it's a life or death situation. Even though she has opened more but not as much as Yoshida. Or even doinf as much as Konoe. Konoe grabed his shirt.
holyman282
2007-10-23, 22:20
Uh...technically, triangles and squares are already polygons. ^_^
True, perhaps i didn't phrase it right, I meant until the amount of girls after Yuji reaches the stage there there is no other specific name, such as square octagon decagon ect. To a point where the only name would be polygon then i'll consider it a harem! Weird definition i know lol:heh:.
stormy001_M1A2
2007-10-24, 12:01
One thing interest me about Konoe is her right hand bangle. Dunno why but it simply made me interested.
Sinestra
2007-10-24, 15:51
I still think there is more to Konoe then meets the eyes.....
I still can't believe she's human since after they proved she bled, we got a scene with the bal Masque saying things are going to plan or something... That scene had to be put there to indicate something more with Konoe.
Well it could be possible they turned her into a human or something close to one, to give her the oppertunity to get close to Yuji. If this was the case when Bal Masque made their move it would be harder for Yuji to fight back given that he has developed a relationship with Konoe (Even if its not romantic). Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer.
Think about her reaction is season 1 when she was syncronizing or whatever with Yuji. She was experiencing real feelings for the first time it was almost like being ecstasy for her. However this plan could back fire if she actually develops human like emotions.
holyman282
2007-10-24, 18:00
Maybe you're right sinestra.. Another indication that Konoe might be Hecate, is that we don't see any signs of the "real" Hecate after Konoe appears in Yuji's school.. Makes me wonder..
rozenfreak123
2007-10-25, 10:09
Yeah, that might be true because in episode 2 after Hecate was "praying" her eyes had a gleam like she was in love or something and a little later Konoe appears in Yuji's class as a transfer student. Also the Denizen/Tomogara was a complete dumbass, overconfident, and didn't use any Rinne though I'm not surprised he was killed so easily.
Sorrow-K
2007-10-26, 05:28
Also, I don't really understand why they are so scared of the thought of Fumina being Hecate. If I recall, Hayate was more like a pawn and barely did anything to try and harm them in the first series. All she did was the pseudo-rape of Yuji and that was it. Hecate never struck me as a particularly dangerous or evil character when on her own.
Ummm... Hecate is pretty much a bottomless well of power, IIRC. It doesn't matter that she doesn't think for herself, the fact that she could have access to so much power makes her dangerous. That's like saying a nuclear bomb isn't dangerous just because it can't detonate itself.
On this episode... that wasn't bad. It's kinda hard to compare this series so far with the previous, because the first one ebbed and flowed so much, but this hasn't been too bad so far, IMO. There's been enough atmosphere and curve balls and mystery to distract from the monster of the week battles, which have fortunately been relegated to a lesser role in the series. And, like most people, I'm almost certain that Konoe = Hecate. It just wouldn't make sense otherwise. Still, Yuuji's harem expands...
This is good stuff. I don't mind what I've seen from this series so far. It's not brilliant, but it is enjoyable to date.
Sinestra
2007-10-26, 07:41
Maybe you're right sinestra.. Another indication that Konoe might be Hecate, is that we don't see any signs of the "real" Hecate after Konoe appears in Yuji's school.. Makes me wonder..
Yep i thought that as well. I have been brooding on this for days and im 95% sure that Konoe is Hecate. This is a random theory but....I think Konoe interest or conncetion with Yuji is after effect from season I. As stated above Hectate is bottomless pit of power and Yuji's power is growing day by day with his training. I wouldnt be surprised if Konoe thought that Yuji is somewhat like her and he should join her or some of Yuji's feeling leaked into her and now shes smitten its like a drug.
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