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Ultima_Rasengan05
2007-10-22, 15:00
All we know is that she really likes the school. And even though she repeats it a lot in episode 1, I think it will have meaning later on in future episodes.
But Nagisa is a character that is shrouded in mystery. In the end of episode 1, she was completely a different person while talking to Tomoya. She has a really caring and interesting family. They really get along so well and I don't think they ever had any fights within Nagisa's household. Although she hasn't got any close friends and the only friend that she has is Tomoya, it seems that she doesn't interact with others in the school. So far, we haven't seen Nagisa talk to either Kyou or Tomoyo, who seems to have more screen time with Tomoya than Nagisa herself.
Concerning the opening sequence with Nagisa laying on a snowy ground and the alternate dimension girl, both look like they could be connected somehow and will certainly play an important role later on in the show.
I like Nagisa's character though. She seems spacey and tries her best to do things at school.
I like Nagisa too. A kind, shy soul who seems to have a chronic illness that prevented her from graduating with her friends and having a tough time making new friends.
I wonder if she really had true friends or casual acquaintances from her previous class.
Her family are nuts :), but that's why I love them. Especially her father, cool, funny guy
Why the neglect for Nagisa here?? I thought that her quiet and shy nature is what would attract some guys to her...
I like Nagisa. She seems a bit slow at times but in the end her passion for certain things is what makes her interesting to watch.
FireChick
2007-10-27, 10:21
Me likes Nagisa-chan. She reminds me of...well, me!:)
Hunter Sock Monsters
2007-10-27, 22:37
Nagisa may be shy, but she is cute and very very determined to get the theatre club up and running again. Hopefully she will make lots of friends through the theatre club....
The only gripe I have about Nagisa is her hair. She looks like a cockroach >.<. They need to cut the two ahoge off.
Kinny Riddle
2007-10-29, 08:12
The only gripe I have about Nagisa is her hair. She looks like a cockroach >.<. They need to cut the two ahoge off.
It's probably just you, I see it as a pair of antennas. No doubt she inherited from her dad and mom, who also come with it. :D
But I like Nagisa the way she is.
nagisa is kool just so quiet but i guess thats her character
shes funy and i feel sori for her repeating a yr and being left behind T.T
The only gripe I have about Nagisa is her hair. She looks like a cockroach >.<. They need to cut the two ahoge off.
lol I feel that it adds to her moe-ness. As Kinny said before me, I like her just the way she is.
And oh, her School Life arc will warm your heart. It really touched me.
rave_master16
2007-11-01, 08:11
The only gripe I have about Nagisa is her hair. She looks like a cockroach >.<. They need to cut the two ahoge off.
LOL if she's a cockroach then she's the cutest cockroach I've ever seen...
zai_shana
2007-11-01, 08:15
LOL if she's a cockroach then she's the cutest cockroach I've ever seen...
LOL yup! i agree with ya! :D
nagisa is a kind of cockroach who likes to eat other kinds of bread which is really rare for a cockroach:heh:
Cattleya
2007-11-01, 10:04
She is so adorable!!! My fav character :)
She is so adorable!!! My fav character :)
I wonder why she's not a lot of other people's favorites.
Probably because of the fact that she has been there episode in and episode out, so she has really become somewhat like a background in the story. The other characters are also VERY likeable as well.
2H-Dragon
2007-11-01, 18:15
I wonder why she's not a lot of other people's favorites.
Probably because of the fact that she has been there episode in and episode out, so she has really become somewhat like a background in the story. The other characters are also VERY likeable as well.
Because it's boring to make the main lead your favourite. She's going to get taken by Ozaki anyhow. :heh: She is an awesome lead though. ^^
'Make' the lead your favorite ? Somehow i doubt one actually gets to 'decide' which character he ends up liking the most, lead or not :eyespin:
As for me, it might well be Nagisa from the current cast, a tad outclassed by Ryou. Her reactions in episode 5 were absurdly cute as well :) I am worried about the weak body issue though - those usually end up badly.
Because it's boring to make the main lead your favourite. She's going to get taken by Ozaki anyhow. :heh: She is an awesome lead though. ^^
I suppose so, and yeah I guess she is what kicked off the whole series anyways =/. Well, soft of.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-11-01, 20:38
Why the neglect for Nagisa here?? I thought that her quiet and shy nature is what would attract some guys to her...
Because Kotomi's moeness, Tomoyo's coolness, and Kyou's hot-headedness outshines her, for now.
Because Kotomi's moeness, Tomoyo's coolness, and Kyou's hot-headedness outshines her, for now.
Agreed. But later in the series, I'm sure that more people will warm up to her. Though my favorite will still be Kotomi.
ImpulseRAven
2007-11-02, 10:03
i wonder who she thought tomoya was going out with? because she seemed all surprised when
he said he didn't have a girlfriend to Fuko's sister.
2H-Dragon
2007-11-02, 10:34
'Make' the lead your favorite ? Somehow i doubt one actually gets to 'decide' which character he ends up liking the most, lead or not :eyespin:
While with some series I do have my doubts. It's pretty much in your face in this series. Unless they go for the unexpected surprise, but that will get someone on the KyoAni team shot. :uhoh:
toxic_trance
2007-11-02, 14:25
Awesome Moe-ness from Nagisa. Ryou and Nagisa are fightin it out for runners up after Kotomi-chan according to me.
Beutiful Reactions..its simply getting too hard to like one particular girl more than the others
Mirrinus
2007-11-02, 15:40
I think it's quite remarkable how Nagisa is the one taking the initiative to help out Fuuko instead of Tomoya. To me, this was the big indication that Clannad will be very different from Kanon, at least for Fuuko's arc. There are times when I felt that Nagisa has usurped Tomoya as the primary protagonist who's there to help out all the other characters. I also love how even this early on in the show, she and Tomoya are already working closely together to tackle the problems of the other characters, which in the end makes their own relationship seem all the more believable. Nagisa's definitely my favorite main Key heroine (then again, I was never a big fan of Misuzu or Ayu...).
I'm seriously hoping that Nagisa would play just as big of a role in the other stories as well. It makes her character feel all the more important beyond just her own arc, and worthy of the final after story that I hope will rock as well.
While with some series I do have my doubts. It's pretty much in your face in this series. Unless they go for the unexpected surprise, but that will get someone on the KyoAni team shot. :uhoh:
I am not saying it is hard to predict which charcter is the lead, but the fact it is somewhat impossible to "decide" which girl you will like. It is an emotional process based on the way one takes things presented to him in anime, so not exactly something one can control ;)
Klashikari
2007-11-02, 15:45
@Mirrinus: I can't agree more with you: Nagisa isn't the helpless damselle in distress. She is a protagonist by herself and she is nowhere near of passive.
Even though she wasn't able to have a self esteem to begin with, Tomoya triggered it, and her strong set of values and care for others kicked in.
It was really impressive how well she can befriend with other (her very feint interactions with the Fujibayashi Twins and Youhei are quite nice already), and her ability to be a big sister to Fuko was heartwarming. (Not only the classroom scene in the end of episode 5, but also how she hugged Fuko twice in the said episode)
The chemistry doesn't end with Tomoya and such, and her character isn't done "for sake of her arc". I'm fairly expecting some interactions with the other girls already.
That said, her development with Tomoya doesn't cease to be impressivve, even if we aren't in her "arc" anymore, and it is an excellent duo, which leads to your observation: this couple is much more solid than Yuuichi and Ayu.
2H-Dragon
2007-11-02, 16:04
I am not saying it is hard to predict which charcter is the lead, but the fact it is somewhat impossible to "decide" which girl you will like. It is an emotional process based on the way one takes things presented to him in anime, so not exactly something one can control ;)
I dunno isn't there always some adverse feelings for someone who is already "taken". At least that's how it is with celebs they suddenly become less hot when they get married. :heh:
Wasn't the fact that Nagisa was the man heroine already a known way before all of this discussion started?
eMpTy265
2007-11-03, 01:01
So far Nagisa's proved to be a more interesting 'main lead' than her counterparts in Air and Kanon.
I suppose it helps that she's not this mysterious 'weird' girl, but also by the fact that Nagisa seems to have more character depth.
As seen from ep.5, Nagisa is both willing and capable of helping others, and is surprisingly proactive when she's got her goals set out.
In this area, I feel that the anime fleshes Nagisa's character out more than in the game. The reasons I won't mention due to spoilers, but the classroom scene between Fuko and Nagisa was a really nice touch.
You mean the one when she smiles at Fuuko? I thought her eyes really looked like her mother at that point. :)
The 2 lead character dynamic is pretty underused really. Most times you get one character dominating the other. It's quite a refreshing change really - I never like to see heroines relying too much on the male lead.
Mirrinus
2007-11-10, 00:21
You know, I think I realize why I like Nagisa and Tomoya so much.
My personal favorite romance novel is Far from the Madding Crowd by Thomas Hardy. What I found so intriguing about the romance presented in that novel was simply that it didn’t feel like the focus at all. Sure, there was a couple that finally got together at the end, but the main focus wasn’t really any sort of tension or attraction between the two. Instead, the vast majority of the story concerned their relationships with other people and their working together professionally. Even though they didn’t really become a couple at all until the very end of the story, such a conclusion was surely but slowly being built up precisely through the comraderie and fellowship that the two enjoyed, not as lovers, but as fellow workers that first got to know and overcome the rough sides of each other’s character. On paper, the conclusion looks like it may have just come out of nowhere, but looking back at the subtle nuiances that each character displayed not only towards each other, but alongside one another toward others, the ending looks quite natural and inevitable.
In Clannad, I see something similar to this going on. Sure, Tomoya and Nagisa aren’t kissing or hugging or doing any other overtly romantic actions, but they are accomplishing something even more important in a relationship: the sense of comraderie, just like that portrayed in Far from the Madding Crowd. This is a type of romance that I much rather prefer over all the other types of “romance” being thrown around in other shows (some of which I wouldn’t even call by such a title). It’s not about each character obviously stating their romantic affections; it’s about building up to that satisfying conclusion through the little day-to-day interactions not just with each other, but other characters as well. I’m personally loving how the Fuuko arc is being used to display just how how well Nagisa and Tomoya work together, interweaving determination and smarts, compassion and commitment. I’m strongly hoping that Nagisa won’t take the back seat in the later arcs either, so that this partnership (that’s the word I wanted!) could continue to develop.
Kaioshin Sama
2007-11-17, 03:42
It's refreshing to see a character like Nagisa, who is relatively with it, in a genre and to some extent series where that is not really the case for most characters. I like very much that Nagisa isn't ridiculously over the top, and that she doesn't just have one trait that defines her whole character. She feels like she could potentially exist without too much trouble as a person in our real life society (or at least is approaching such a possibility), and that's something rare in anime, but that really shouldn't be too hard to do with a little effort. She's even showcases some wit in some of her interactions, and actually reacts as one might expect of a given individual in a real society when confronted with varying situations. Again a shameful rarity in anime, especially this genre.
Yeah, so Nagisa is pretty likeable overall, probably the most so in this series, and currently is the character I feel has the most depth, which is good because she's obviously the lead female.
Kinda cute character... Her entrance really amazed me also.... ;)
Daniel E.
2007-11-20, 14:32
I think it's quite remarkable how Nagisa is the one taking the initiative to help out Fuuko instead of Tomoya. To me, this was the big indication that Clannad will be very different from Kanon, at least for Fuuko's arc. There are times when I felt that Nagisa has usurped Tomoya as the primary protagonist who's there to help out all the other characters. I also love how even this early on in the show, she and Tomoya are already working closely together to tackle the problems of the other characters, which in the end makes their own relationship seem all the more believable. Nagisa's definitely my favorite main Key heroine (then again, I was never a big fan of Misuzu or Ayu...).
QFT! :)
Although I do like Ayu a lot. :p
Nagisa is so cute and charming, that I already invested +45 hours of trace work in her. :D :D
She is my favorite Clannad girl so far! :love:
The Timotei Teller
2007-11-20, 17:31
I know pretty much everyone's said this already, but I'm gonna say it anyway...
Nagisa is so flippin' adorable!
d.sinclair
2007-11-24, 02:00
I couldn't agree more with what Mirrinus said. People might be discontent with the length of the Fuuko arc, but I think the time taken with the arcs centered around other characters will lead to an even bigger payoff when the final arc rolls around. It will just be that much more satisfying to watch the two, after gradually and subtly warming to each other over a long period of time, to finally get together.
And I agree that it's the sense of partnership, together with the subtlety of their interactions and development, that makes Tomoya and Nagisa's relationship so much more endearing and realistic to me than some of the other romances this season. Not that I don't enjoy the tension in something like ef, but like Mirrinus I am a much bigger fan of romance that is not all melodrama but that contains a simple and heartwarming sense of togetherness, coupled with a nice gradual development that isn't all focused on the main couple and their blatant feelings for one another.
Yup, the naive romantic within me shows itself :)
Clannad might be inevitably similar to Air and Kanon in following the formula, but I think it stands above the other Key adaptations because of how they are developing the main couple. I mean, I like the other girls but I really hope that in retrospect the series will at the core be about Tomoya and Nagisa, rather than being a series of disparate stories, which the other adaptations leaned towards. Kyoani is showing positive signs of fixing the mistake they made in Kanon of rushing Yuuichi and Ayu, so I'm looking forward to seeing how this one goes.
Mirrinus
2007-11-24, 02:49
The latest episode (episode 8) made me really think that the focus wasn't on Fuuko at all. I mean, sure she's being forgotten by everyone, but other than that she didn't seem like she played that huge of a role. Most of the time, she was just standing there looking quiet and despondent as each person struggled to remember her. But who was it who were reacting the most to the people who forgot her? Tomoya and Nagisa, of course. They were the ones who urged people to remember Fuuko. They were the ones discussing amongst themselves what to do with Fuuko. They spent an awfully large amount of time together in this episode, driving it forward in ways like buying Fuuko a present to take her mind off of her dilemma. Oh, and there was the next episode preview...which was just adorable.
And of course, there was that fountain scene. I'm going to shamelessly steal what cshard said about it:
Was it just me, or was Fuuko looking at Tomoya and Nagisa when they were at the fountain,and thinking to herself, "these two make a great couple"? :heh: A child's approval of her "parents" relationship FTW.
So yeah...Tomoya + Nagisa ftw! I cannot honestly say that these last few episodes devoted to Fuuko's arc were wasted in the slightest.
luckyfoshizzle
2007-12-08, 01:33
Nagisa is by far my favorite character. "dango, dango, dango", how adorable is that? I absolutely loved Misuzu and Ayu, but I already feel more connected to Nagisa in only 9 episodes than I did with Misuzu or Ayu throughout their entire series (and Nagisa's arc hasn't even come up yet).
Her obvious future relationship with Tomoya seems more realitsic than Ayu and Yuuichi (I forgot his name, is that right?) because they seem to be together a lot, unlike in Kanon where Ayu and Yuuichi were together like, only once in each episode for 3 minutes.
As long as her arc is as emotional and touching as Ayu's and Misuzu's, Nagisa will be my favorite Key character of all time. And if not in the school story then I know for sure it will be in the after story (been reading up in spoilers:[)
bladeofdarkness
2007-12-12, 10:15
hey
this is kind of my first post here so sorry for any mistakes i might make
also english is not my native speak so bare with me
first of all one must be aware of how much clannad is like kanon and air in some ways (loved both. no complaints)
and so its natural to see some traits in characters from past shows in this one
for example fukos arc was in many ways alot like makotos and also ayu's
but there is a factor in fukos ark that is clearly lacks in the other ones
like it was said before that factor is nagisa
fukos ark is about tomoya and nagisa helping fuko and it is in no way tomoyas story
if either is the one who helps more it is nagisa
now nagisa is clearly the female lead but she is diffrent from ayu and misuzu in several clear ways
1)no wings
(joking but only half so since both air and kanon have a girl with wings)
2)not clumsy
(both ayu and misuzu cant take two steps without falling but nagisa so far has not really been shown as clumsy)
3)Family
(ayu has none for the story and misuzu disfunchnal relations with her mom is one of the saddest parts of her story while nagisas Family seems like the kind of Family you want to have)
4)age
(nagisa is the only non loly in the group as she is older than the lead male)
5)normalty
this is probbly the biggest diffrence
both ayu and misuzus are not normal at all and their pain and tragedy are the reasolt of a fantastic sorce
nagisa is normal (as far as we know for now) and her pain and feelings of self doubt and incecurety are things that everyone can feel for them selves
and that is what i think is what makes her the one character you can like the most
she seems real. she could be the girl sitting behind you in class who no one notices and in that way she is far more like nayuki then ayu
she is also like nayuki in one more way
she is the girl thats alway there
unlike kanon or air tomoya doesnt live with any of the girls in the same house and so his contact with all the girls is limited and its nagisa who he is always seen with when in kanon this role is taken by nayuki and in air by misuzu
and much like nayuki im sure that in her story the saddness will come from a normal sorce
and so for those resonse i like her more then any other girl in key history
p.s when clannad was first advertised at the end of kanon i was sure tomoyo will be my fave but nagisa won me over
and for some reson im really diggin the antenas
Mystearika
2007-12-13, 11:00
i agree with blade of darkness nagisa is a really likeable person, and it is also good to see a normal heroine without a tragic background
i am like a lot others rooting for tomoya anf her to get together:)
It almost seems like Nagisa is a foil. I mean, I'm sure she isn't, as I haven't played the game. But as of right now, it seems like Nagisa exists to portray life as it should go as someone with a very close family, a happy life, and small dreams/desires. Everyone else has something that's not perfect like Nagisa, such as delinquency, aggression, or simply just not being real.
I'm kind of excited to see her arc play out when it comes out. :)
Nagisa is not "perfect" either - she doesn't seem to be very good with people, and then there are her health issues. We already know it was bad enough for her to actually skip a whole year, and i don't believe we have seen last of them.
Nah, I think I get what they're talking about. Although so far Nagisa's is only a personality issue caused by her weak self, she really has things to be happy about. The rest may have some issues they still need to work out, while all she needs to be is more social, if she suddenly hasn't already (No thanks to Tomoya, who is one of those people with issues.)
So it's not really an idea of "perfection," but an idea of "issues," where she doesn't have much beyond being weak and having to skip a year of school. Yeah, it sounds wrong, but I hope you get the idea.
ReizoSan
2007-12-20, 14:47
Its quite wierd but i really liked Nagisa at the start and to be fair she's been like pushed aside but everyone else they introduce like fuko etc.. but i fell thats why to me she will be a small part character as she will be pushed aside again when it comes to okazaki 's love.
Kinny Riddle
2007-12-24, 11:12
Not sure if this is on-topic or off-topic, anyway, Happy Birthday to Nagisa-chan today. For her birthday is on Christmas Day, December 25th.
Daniel E.
2007-12-24, 12:33
Not sure if this is on-topic or off-topic, anyway, Happy Birthday to Nagisa-chan today. For her birthday is on Christmas Day, December 25th.
It's still December 24 (morning) over here so, Happy Birthday to Nagisa in advance. :cool:
bladeofdarkness
2007-12-24, 12:46
otanjobi omedeto nagisa-chan (sorry if im wrong)
ZhangKhaiEn
2007-12-25, 11:18
Merry Christmas and Happy Birthday to our beloved Nagisa-chan! :)
LolitaDecay
2007-12-26, 07:06
I personally think that Nagisa is a very refreshing character as she seems almost normal towards the rest of the cast and I think it's nice to have a neutral character like that. Although she hasn't been fleshed out much yet I'm looking forward to seeing her own arc.
Not to mention her and Tomoya are a cute couple ;]
Kinny Riddle
2007-12-26, 12:26
It's still December 24 (morning) over here so, Happy Birthday to Nagisa in advance. :cool:
Actually, you're the one who's correct.
http://www.interchannel.jp/game/clannad/character.html
Here it says her birthday is on Christmas Eve.
Yet the dialogue in the game makes it sound like her birthday falls on Christmas Day. Probably an overlook by KEY over this confusion. I guess it depends on which day do you define as the "gift-giving" day. Some give presents on the 24th, while others on the 25th.
So I do apologize for the belated birthday. :D
is there any reason why nagisa is such an understanding person? here she is with tomoya who likes to befreind various girls who may try/are trying to take tomoya for themselves. if this was anyother anime she'd already be quite jealous.
is there any reason why nagisa is such an understanding person? here she is with tomoya who likes to befreind various girls who may try/are trying to take tomoya for themselves. if this was anyother anime she'd already be quite jealous.There's no reason to be kind and innocent, even if there are any, it would be genes and family upbringing lol
That's why we love Nagisa, she puts others before herself.
There's no reason to be kind and innocent, even if there are any, it would be genes and family upbringing lol
That's why we love Nagisa, she puts others before herself.
ty, then it a good thing that she has those 2 as her parents.
Well, I'm not really fond of Nagisa but this is my thought after watching 15 episodes of Clannad. She might have all the good attributes as an ideal girl, but she's soft, fragile and lacks understanding of the "real world". If you're too kind to others, they will only take advantage of it and will be all over your head before you even know. Harsh but true, which is why I could relate to Sunohara's outburst of anger. What C.A said is true; there's no reason to be kind but innocence is a person's nature and usually comes from one's family background, eg Nagisa. People like Nagisa can be hurt easily, that's where we need people like Okazaki to be in the picture. Okazaki is the reason Nagisa being who she is right now, strong. Mah, other than that.. I do like her character and portrayal of cuteness sometimes. Just my 2 cents.
tripperazn
2008-01-26, 02:19
People like Nagisa can be hurt easily, that's where we need people like Okazaki to be in the picture.
Isn't that why they complete each other? Tomoya seems disillusioned with life while Nagisa remains naive and fragile.
is there any reason why nagisa is such an understanding person? here she is with tomoya who likes to befreind various girls who may try/are trying to take tomoya for themselves. if this was anyother anime she'd already be quite jealous.
And I really like her, because she is NOT jealous, which means, she trusts him, just because she feels she can.
Well, ok, he told her that lie about Sunohara, but that was so hilarious, that I can't imagine Nagisa really being mad or hurt about that, though she would be even more embaressed.
And Tomoya behaves towards Nagisa in a different way as he behaves towards the other girls, so I don't see any problem in him being friends with them.
Isn't that why they complete each other? Tomoya seems disillusioned with life while Nagisa remains naive and fragile.
Exactly what I've stated before, which is why Clannad is so interesting to watch because everybody revolves around Okazaki (the interactions, etc). Well, that statement isn't entirely accurate so let me rephrase. Okazaki is always at the center of events no matter who the girl hence the various arcs. He's the ladies' man. ;) Damn, why can't my previous school life be like that.
That being said, Okazaki x Nagisa could make a good couple but in truth I'd prefer to to see Okazaki x Kotomi rabu rabu.
*runs off with a shield to Kotomi thread*
Who here thinks Nagisa would look better with longer hair?
Inferied
2008-01-26, 15:08
Who here thinks Nagisa would look better with longer hair?
I don't... She probably would look better, but it would ruin her appeal, she couldn't be as moe she is now...
tripperazn
2008-01-26, 15:54
Who here thinks Nagisa would look better with longer hair?
Nagisa just wouldn't be Nagisa anymore, one of the first things Tomoya notes about Nagisa from the game is her short hair fluttering in the wind, IIRC.
The girl in the other world looks like a pretty close approximation to Nagisa with long hair, don't you think? :D
Nagisa hair matches her visage and personality perfectly, she won't be herself if her hair goes past her shoulders.
Though I would like to see her with a ponytail.
Ponytails are magical.
i dunno wut to say but i just say what comes in mind i think she is like too simple minded or something and it annoys me. she her self doenst annoy me but i think that i think like sunohara she is for me to superficial cute in that matter like in the last ep. I like her when its about dango dango and starts making a dango fight xP with fuko. So its more like i get annoyed with er decisions and stuff
now that i think about i i geuss im too evil minded to make a like or dont like decision about her:upset:
anyway i think she a carring person who puts others infornt of herself. Unless its about okazaki^^
any nice char just boring for me most of the time cuz its too nice always.
also i dont think she fits okazaki but someone who is a bit opposite of her but in a good sense
the who dialogue of her is like
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
shallow love imo with no real thing going on
Klashikari
2008-01-27, 13:24
i dunno wut to say but i just say what comes in mind i think she is like too simple minded or something and it annoys me. she her self doenst annoy me but i think that i think like sunohara she is for me to superficial cute in that matter like in the last ep. I like her when its about dango dango and starts making a dango fight xP with fuko. So its more like i get annoyed with er decisions and stuff
Simple minded? I think a naive and kind behaviour don't equate to simple minded at all.
It isn't like she is trying to act cute, so I can't exactly understand why you consider it as superficial, until you consider her behaviour as "only cute" which is quite reductive to what she is
also i dont think she fits okazaki but someone who is a bit opposite of her but in a good senseOpposite? They are indeed in a different league, but they are sure not like water and fire. Aside of that, it is funny because actually, couples with individuals similar have more jarring risk to not work.
In any case, all the girls in CLANNAD are pretty much different and complementary to Tomoya, aside perhaps Tomoyo, but only few similarities.
shallow love imo with no real thing going onIt would be shallow if it doesn't evolve one bit, which is obviously incorrect. Not only Nagisa changed, but Tomoya as well. I think you are viewing her into a narrow light.
Kinny Riddle
2008-01-27, 13:33
i dunno wut to say but i just say what comes in mind i think she is like too simple minded or something and it annoys me. she her self doenst annoy me but i think that i think like sunohara she is for me to superficial cute in that matter like in the last ep. I like her when its about dango dango and starts making a dango fight xP with fuko. So its more like i get annoyed with er decisions and stuff
now that i think about i i geuss im too evil minded to make a like or dont like decision about her:upset:
anyway i think she a carring person who puts others infornt of herself. Unless its about okazaki^^
any nice char just boring for me most of the time cuz its too nice always.
also i dont think she fits okazaki but someone who is a bit opposite of her but in a good sense
the who dialogue of her is like
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
shallow love imo with no real thing going on
For god's sake, write properly, I'm having a hard time trying to understand you.
No offense intended, mate, but by hardly using any punctuation and no proper capital letters, it's very hard for other people, let alone myself, to take your dismissal of the show being shallow seriously without making you look like a irrational fanboy.
BakaOnna
2008-01-27, 13:49
shallow love imo with no real thing going on
Shallow love? Why? Because there's no, God forbid, drama? There's no tension or jealousy between them?
The TomoyaXNagisa pairing is a hell of a lot more natural that majority of what I've seen in romance anime. It develops naturally, not forcibly by shoving that melodramatic 'he loves her so she's just jealous' crap down my throat.
Simple minded? I think a naive and kind behaviour don't equate to simple minded at all.
It isn't like she is trying to act cute, so I can't exactly understand why you consider it as superficial, until you consider her behaviour as "only cute" which is quite reductive to what she is.doesnt need to equate it per se even though they use it like that in some translation dictionaries
simple minded in that okazaki can trick her into believing almost everything i hope that makes it clear what i mean with simple minded and nagisa. i geuss it hurts when i say that about a char
anyway here you can find some hints to help you out, http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/Na/Naive.html
nah i dont see it from her perspective but from mine the thread is about what do you think of and do you like or dont like. seeing how i get instant replies back on this as if i cant express what i think im laughing my ass off really cuz this is simply hilarious. anyway from my perspective her cuteness as made(fabricated) by the author has made her too cute for me as if she is the reincarnation of jesus or some shit and it same of some other too superficial cute chars that are designed that way so some fanboys and girls get all ooh so cute bla bla etc and form nagisa coalitions
about the only cute thats something your bringing up she has more uses in the story as only cute
Opposite? They are indeed in a different league, but they are sure not like water and fire. Aside of that, it is funny because actually, couples with individuals similar have more jarring risk to not work.
In any case, all the girls in CLANNAD are pretty much different and complementary to Tomoya, aside perhaps Tomoyo, but only few similarities..nah i aint talking about fire and water im talking about one is the more talkative and the other is the more silent type. and no love aint limited to only what i said just that in her case with okazaki.
about the individuals similar and more rish thats exactly what im saying so i dont get the point. and the other girls isnt the point either im more talking about nagisa her case.
It would be shallow if it doesn't evolve one bit, which is obviously incorrect. Not only Nagisa changed, but Tomoya as well. I think you are viewing her into a narrow light.im talkinga bout what would happen if they indeed became a couple i dont say their relation ship now is shallow but if it would go in the direction of love i feel and god you all dont need to agree with it
that it would be shallow
For god's sake, write properly, I'm having a hard time trying to understand you.
No offense intended, mate, but by hardly using any punctuation and no proper capital letters, it's very hard for other people, let alone myself, to take your dismissal of the show being shallow seriously without making you look like a irrational fanboy. i have a hard time to understand your point the moment you talk about show. let me tell you something i aint a find boy girl of this show what soever. im only interested in those 2 boys and the 2 girls who beat em up thats all. i care less if the rest of cast dies etc and even if something happens with the those i coudlnt care less
about shallow ill skip the shallow remark to just a honest reply back (cuz your talking about no one could read while people somehow understood unlike you)
its about the possible love between her okazaki not the show.
again i aint a fanboy i aint a fan of any of em:eyebrow:
damn i dont have a nagisa avatar or some other char in my avatar and you wanna talk fan boy??
Shallow love? Why? Because there's no, God forbid, drama? There's no tension or jealousy between them?
The TomoyaXNagisa pairing is a hell of a lot more natural that majority of what I've seen in romance anime. It develops naturally, not forcibly by shoving that melodramatic 'he loves her so she's just jealous' crap down my throat.
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
nagisa: its thanks to you bla bla bla bla
Okazaki: nah its to you bla bla bla bla
it would be different if okazaki showed some interest in her other then a friend but now that love or possible love between them is shallow to one side however you wanna call it
BakaOnna
2008-01-27, 21:31
[useless crap]
it would be different if okazaki showed some interest in her other then a friend but now that love or possible love between them is shallow to one side however you wanna call it
Are you blinded by your bias against Nagisa? How can you NOT see the interest Tomoya shows to Nagisa compared to the others. Do you not understand the concept of subtle development? What, so he's supposed to like her at first site? That's even worse than the melodramatic jealousy plot device.
Aquifina
2008-01-27, 22:03
Shallow love? Why? Because there's no, God forbid, drama? There's no tension or jealousy between them?
The TomoyaXNagisa pairing is a hell of a lot more natural that majority of what I've seen in romance anime. It develops naturally, not forcibly by shoving that melodramatic 'he loves her so she's just jealous' crap down my throat.
I agree on this point. The two have *great* chemistry. With the exception of the basketball in the rain scene, which I found painfully overdone, the two have interactions I find both sweet and believable. And I say that even though I've felt that Nagisa for much of the series has been too... passive. The last ep, however, showed some serious spine. I think Tomoya is so invested in his tough-guy image that he finds it inscrutable to think Nagisa's interested in him, while Nagisa lacks enough self-confidence to push things. The last ep shows that she's pretty close to getting over that problem, though.
Are you blinded by your bias against Nagisa? How can you NOT see the interest Tomoya shows to Nagisa compared to the others. Do you not understand the concept of subtle development? What, so he's supposed to like her at first site? That's even worse than the melodramatic jealousy plot device.i aint bias "I" just dont see it as you see and that dont mean i hate her ffs
i dont see any great interest from tomoya towards nagisa thats so different that i would say wow. instead of saying things like great interest give an example where he gives so great interest in her that is different from towards kotomi or fuko or any other chick he all helps that regardless what.
and yeah subtle development i agree on exactly my point but to what i have yet to see thats he suddenly starts falling in love???? cool great whatever. dude listen i dont give a shit who that guy gets with, do you get that????
@Aquifina whats this great chemistry exactly?? for me its more like tomoya is a bit more intelligent then her or down to earth i dont know how to say it smart or some crap that he needs to do and explain all stuff to nagisa i dont see it as chemistry i think the president older sister girl the pussy blackmail one"could" be a good match for tomoya ("PERSONAL OPINION ok saying that im wrong automatically will make me think who says that is a retard and ignore button")
seeing they(not nagisa) talk on the same lvl and seem to be making good jokes with each other.
and man look i dont even know all these girls names and im a fanboy omg funny:eyebrow:
tripperazn
2008-01-28, 00:22
i aint bias "I" just dont see it as you see and that dont mean i hate her ffs
i dont see any great interest from tomoya towards nagisa thats so different that i would say wow. instead of saying things like great interest give an example where he gives so great interest in her that is different from towards kotomi or fuko or any other chick he all helps that regardless what.
and yeah subtle development i agree on exactly my point but to what i have yet to see thats he suddenly starts falling in love???? cool great whatever. dude listen i dont give a shit who that guy gets with, do you get that????
@Aquifina whats this great chemistry exactly?? for me its more like tomoya is a bit more intelligent then her or down to earth i dont know how to say it smart or some crap that he needs to do and explain all stuff to nagisa i dont see it as chemistry i think the president older sister girl the pussy blackmail one"could" be a good match for tomoya ("PERSONAL OPINION ok saying that im wrong automatically will make me think who says that is a retard and ignore button")
seeing they(not nagisa) talk on the same lvl and seem to be making good jokes with each other.
and man look i dont even know all these girls names and im a fanboy omg funny:eyebrow:
First of all, learn the names and learn how to type in English.
You're right in that personal opinion is never wrong, but care to back up what you're saying with examples? People are going to say you're wrong, just like how you say others are wrong in their opinions, grow up.
Yeah, the definition of "subtle development" is that it's not obvious what is going on. If you're not seeing what everyone else is, look harder. Notice how Nagisa makes Tomoya stutter and feel uncomfortable at times, that's something none of the other girls have done so far.
Just because a guy and a girl joke around and get along, doesn't mean they are interested.
People, please, let the flames cool down. As much as I like Nagisa, she's just a fictional character in a fictional story, no use in calling names and pointing fingers. Moreover if we are just exchanging personal opinions on a relationship. He's totally entitled to see Kyou's, Tomoyo's or Kotomi's relationship as a more natural one. Heck they are all path in the games, they are all scripted to be possibilities. Granted, I personally think Nagisa's path to be the most meaningful one, but that is just visible on retrospective. Right now, chemistry and the such is more a matter of personal opinion.
Let's remain civil :)
i aint bias "I" just dont see it as you see and that dont mean i hate her ffs
i dont see any great interest from tomoya towards nagisa thats so different that i would say wow. instead of saying things like great interest give an example where he gives so great interest in her that is different from towards kotomi or fuko or any other chick he all helps that regardless what.
and yeah subtle development i agree on exactly my point but to what i have yet to see thats he suddenly starts falling in love???? cool great whatever. dude listen i dont give a shit who that guy gets with, do you get that????
@Aquifina whats this great chemistry exactly?? for me its more like tomoya is a bit more intelligent then her or down to earth i dont know how to say it smart or some crap that he needs to do and explain all stuff to nagisa i dont see it as chemistry i think the president older sister girl the pussy blackmail one"could" be a good match for tomoya ("PERSONAL OPINION ok saying that im wrong automatically will make me think who says that is a retard and ignore button")
seeing they(not nagisa) talk on the same lvl and seem to be making good jokes with each other.
and man look i dont even know all these girls names and im a fanboy omg funny:eyebrow:Why you can't see anything going between them -> because their love is so deep, you can't see it.
Why would you see anyone else's love -> because it is so shallow, it is superficial and if any would be similar to 'puppy love'.
No, actually Tomoya and the girls are really good friends and only with Nagisa that he shares a deeper bond, one that you currently can't see, but has already been there since the first episode.
Learn how to see deeper and not just with your eyes, learn how to listen to their hearts as well.
Stretch5920
2008-01-28, 04:01
I can't stand people like Nagisa, I'll probably get flamed for this post, but I am losing interest fast in the anime because it's her route. I knew it would be since she is the main, but I find her extremely boring. She is the typical dying moe character KEY love to reuse. In the latest ep I wanted to punch her in the face for just rolling over for the underclassmen. Some people might say what she did was nice, but I think it was idiotic.
Personally I found the Tomoya and Tomoyo story in the game far superior and it felt alot more natural to me. Kyou is good character, but her story sucks. I'll probably stick around for the Sunohara siblings arc (please just leave all the girls out of this one, it's manly friendship arc) and then maybe watch them butcher the Tomoyo arc before I drop this anime. Frankly if in the next KEY game/anime the main heroine is another dying moeblob I won't even bother watching it. Anyway I can see that there already had been some Nagisa bashing in this thread, but I feel it is fair that I express that she is the reason I lost interest in the show. Afterall no character will ever be liked by everyone and criticism is just as important as adoration in the entertainment business.
Nagisa hair matches her visage
She looks like a cockroach because of the two ahoges.
Its weird that people watch this anime when they are not interested in moe characters. When someone finds himself hating a show that everyone else likes, its obvious that the problem lies with the person himself and not the show. And when they complain about it, it makes them stand out like a thorn.
And its completely logical to give in to others if your stand is weaker.
Why not give in to a group of people who really want to do something, the girls really want to form their choir, while Nagisa is backed with a group of people who aren't interested in acting. They will waste the opportunity for others.
The choir girls are freshmen and could make good use of their remaining 2 years for the choir, Nagisa and gang are in their 3rd year, a busy year where exams and such do not allow time for other activities.
And the choir girls were the first to approach the old man, 'first come first serve' applies to this as well.
Nagisa made her choice as a logical one and not just an act of pure kindness.
i aint bias "I" just dont see it as you see and that dont mean i hate her ffs
i dont see any great interest from tomoya towards nagisa thats so different that i would say wow. instead of saying things like great interest give an example where he gives so great interest in her that is different from towards kotomi or fuko or any other chick he all helps that regardless what.
and yeah subtle development i agree on exactly my point but to what i have yet to see thats he suddenly starts falling in love???? cool great whatever. dude listen i dont give a shit who that guy gets with, do you get that????
@Aquifina whats this great chemistry exactly?? for me its more like tomoya is a bit more intelligent then her or down to earth i dont know how to say it smart or some crap that he needs to do and explain all stuff to nagisa i dont see it as chemistry i think the president older sister girl the pussy blackmail one"could" be a good match for tomoya ("PERSONAL OPINION ok saying that im wrong automatically will make me think who says that is a retard and ignore button")
seeing they(not nagisa) talk on the same lvl and seem to be making good jokes with each other.
and man look i dont even know all these girls names and im a fanboy omg funny:eyebrow:
So Tomoya have to pull a Makoto Itou to show people he have an interest in Nagisa?
:eyebrow:
@Stretch - Nagisa's kinda endearing in her own way though, but I get where you're coming from, it makes sense.
Stretch5920
2008-01-28, 04:40
Its weird that people watch this anime when they are not interested in moe characters. When someone finds himself hating a show that everyone else likes, its obvious that the problem lies with the person himself and not the show. And when they complain about it, it makes them stand out like a thorn.
First off, I didn't know it was going to be moeblob anime again, I thought they would take a different approach, but I was wrong. Second the anime is NOT perfect and NOT everyone likes it. I think that statement of yours is rather ignorant. KEY projects do have problems, mainly the constant recycling of the same plotlines.
And its completely logical to give in to others if your stand is weaker.
Why not give in to a group of people who really want to do something, the girls really want to form their choir, while Nagisa is backed with a group of people who aren't interested in acting. They will waste the opportunity for others.
The choir girls are freshmen and could make good use of their remaining 2 years for the choir, Nagisa and gang are in their 3rd year, a busy year where exams and such do not allow time for other activities.
And the choir girls were the first to approach the old man, 'first come first serve' applies to this as well.
Nagisa made her choice as a logical one and not just an act of pure kindness.
People are illogical selfish creatures. Every single one of us. Someone as "pure and good" as Nagisa is meant to be, is not realistic (yes I know this is anime and it's not real) so I usually do not like it when a story tries to force me to like someone like that. You might agree with what she did, but I do not. I could list several points why, but I don't need to justify my opinion nor am I trying to change yours. I prefer characters like Kyou and Tomoyo who have both good/nice and bad/mean/selfish sides to them, because that is what people are like.
I don't think it's forcing you to like her, but someone has to be the "main girl".
I personally watch anime because I can see giant robots running around, wizards throwing fireballs, and rather decent representations of what are perhaps sometimes unrealistic characters/archetypes.
I feel it's better to leave realism to... reality, although sometimes it works well in fiction.
You dislike Nagisa, but she's just another character. There's others who prefer Nagisa as the "main girl", and there's people who don't. I prefer Tomoyo and Kyou myself (Tomoyo mainly), as well, but I particularly dislike Ryou.
Nagisa's a warm, fuzzy character; that's who she is. It's not because of poor writing, though.
Stretch5920
2008-01-28, 04:54
Like I said, I'm not trying to change anyone elses opinion. If you enjoy Clannad and love Nagisa, good for you. As for realism, yeah I watch anime for mechs and laser beams too, but when it comes to drama/romance I prefer characters to be a little more realistic otherwise I have nothing to get attached to.
People are illogical selfish creatures. Every single one of us. Someone as "pure and good" as Nagisa is meant to be, is not realistic (yes I know this is anime and it's not real) so I usually do not like it when a story tries to force me to like someone like that. You might agree with what she did, but I do not. I could list several points why, but I don't need to justify my opinion nor am I trying to change yours. I prefer characters like Kyou and Tomoyo who have both good/nice and bad/mean/selfish sides to them, because that is what people are like.You may want to join the army, because the army I'm now in, the Singapore Armed Forces, has people who are selfless, putting others infront of themselves.
Though we are not 'pure and good', there are people here who sacrifice themselves for the sake of others. And why is that? Because its logical to that, we help each other as a platoon and together we come out of it.
Wait, lol, I'm sure the Singaporeans on this forum are going to laugh at this post, most of us hates national service in the first place.
rave_master16
2008-01-28, 06:04
I think
Don't Feed the Trolls
I think the reason why you don't like her is she's too kind to be true... which pisses a lot of people because they like hardcore girls who kick butt... I don't think she's "unreal" too, I believe there are still people in this world who will sacrifice their dreams for others... agreed to C.A.
@ Stretch- I think you are not sharing a fair opinion.... Just asking for flame...
I don't hate you ( Nagisa-fan here) I think there is no reason to argue with you since you adore Tomoyo route... Since you played the game.I assume.. you already know the most important route that will send the real meaning of Clannad....
And already know the two antennas... Like I said if she's a cockroach, she's the cutest cockroach I've ever seen....
Even Akio has antennas...
As for TomoyaxNagisa, no need to explain... if it is shallow or not.... but atleast they are supporting each other, got closer, and like said.. a Deeper bond..I think someone wants French Kiss and sex to prove a "chemistry"
Sigh.:heh:
Stretch5920
2008-01-28, 07:07
I may come on a bit strong, but I believe my opinion is a fair one. After all criticism is just as important as approval. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, just stating my own. I will play the After Story when it is translated to get the full story, but I already know roughly what happens. I'm not that keen on magic fixing everything so I don't expect to like it that much, and if I get bored during it I will stop playing, after all there's no point playing/watching if I don't find it entertaining. The meaning or theme of Clannad is family, and that message is in everyone's route (that I have played anyway) not just Nagisa's.
I didn't come in here to piss people off. I just wanted to state that this character is the reason I lost interest in the show and why I don't like her character. This thread isn't only for people who like Nagisa and I never said that people should agree with me. If people see my post and rage over the fact that some doesn't like a character they do, well that says more about them than it does about me. I like Tomoyo the most, I'm sure there are people out there who hate her for whatever reason and that's fine. Like I said before, not everyone is going to like every character.
Well I'm not sure who's raging, or rather who's raging more. You wanted to punch a girl, told us that you think the anime will butcher your favourite character. Which is wrong to do and not true to us. Punching a girl is something I definitely won't take and the anime has been pretty wonderful for most of us.
Its weird that people are actually angry over people who are good. If there indeed is a person in the world who's like Nagisa, would she recieve praise or hatred? The world is bad, humans are bad, we actually need people who are good.
I've never understood why people want to express their negative reactions when they know they are going to cause flames. I've never posted anything of such nature against an anime, to get people against me. But I was known to be overly defensive over my interests.
I'm about to return to camp so I won't be hanging around here anymore, so I'll just leave this here.
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
2008-01-28, 10:18
I hate to say this,but Nagisa's character is unreal.I mean,can you find a person like Nagisa in real life?There may be such person but i say chances that you will encounter them are very slim.
You know,something has always been bothering me while watching Japanese animes.Those high school or elementary girls in the anime are always like too polite and too kind.It seem like they are so sweet and innocent characters.They won't or rarely blame others for the mistake he or she did to them.They will like "Oh,it's okay.I understand your feelings." Let me ask you a simple question.Do you know any kind of these people?I don't,and even the kindest friend i have sometimes display rotten personality.
Nagisa is one such character.While it is good to see such kind heroine,sometimes i can't help but say to myself "Meh,how unreal."Which is why if you ask me to choose between Nagisa and Shana,i will go for Shana.Shana has lots of flaws in my opinion,but it is those flaws that make her more natural and acceptable to me.
It's not that i like "hardcore girls who kick butt" like rave_master16 said,but i just want to watch a character that i could relate to reality.
Klashikari
2008-01-28, 10:31
I hate to say this,but Nagisa's character is unreal.I mean,can you find a person like Nagisa in real life?There may be such person but i say chances that you will encounter them are very slim.
That is actually funny but I know a person like that. Not as moe moe and stuff, but devoted naive, kind to be selfless, yes.
You know,something has always been bothering me while watching Japanese animes.Those high school or elementary girls in the anime are always like too polite and too kind.It seem like they are so sweet and innocent characters.They won't or rarely blame others for the mistake he or she did to them.They will like "Oh,it's okay.I understand your feelings." Let me ask you a simple question.Do you know any kind of these people?I don't,and even the kindest friend i have sometimes display rotten personality.
As I wrote above, yes. Obviously this archtype is very rampant in anime, that's because they tend to use empathic and sweet characters which are way more rare in the harsh reality. It doesn't mean it is impossible, especially if one restrict to his own experience.
Reality or not, it is a fictional character in a fictional story. Even if it has a reality basis, I don't see how it is a problem until someone developped a dislike for this kind of character.
Nagisa is one such character.While it is good to see such kind heroine,sometimes i can't help but say to myself "Meh,how unreal."Which is why if you ask me to choose between Nagisa and Shana,i will go for Shana.Shana has lots of flaws in my opinion,but it is those flaws that make her more natural and acceptable to me.
That's actually quite ironic because I feel the usual "tsundere" type is almost as unreal as "too sweet to be true" characters.
It's not that i like "hardcore girls who kick butt" like rave_master16 said,but i just want to watch a character that i could relate to reality.
Why are you watching an anime involving an astral projection, a moving robot, a mysterious girl, a outer world with sparking lights etc?
To be more serious, anime tend to paly with both fantasy and reality, though I'm unsure why they should stick with "down to earth" pattern considering the potential and possibilities given in this media.
I mean... we are watching anime for enjoyement, am I right? Hence, why it must be bound to reality at 100% synchro?
That said, I can relate how things might be "exaggerated" in a sense, but seriously, I think this kind of points are taken way too seriously.
MUAHAHAHAHAHA
2008-01-28, 10:57
That is actually funny but I know a person like that. Not as moe moe and stuff, but devoted naive, kind to be selfless, yes.
As I wrote above, yes. Obviously this archtype is very rampant in anime, that's because they tend to use empathic and sweet characters which are way more rare in the harsh reality. It doesn't mean it is impossible, especially if one restrict to his own experience.
Reality or not, it is a fictional character in a fictional story. Even if it has a reality basis, I don't see how it is a problem until someone developped a dislike for this kind of character.
That's actually quite ironic because I feel the usual "tsundere" type is almost as unreal as "too sweet to be true" characters.
Why are you watching an anime involving an astral projection, a moving robot, a mysterious girl, a outer world with sparking lights etc?
To be more serious, anime tend to paly with both fantasy and reality, though I'm unsure why they should stick with "down to earth" pattern considering the potential and possibilities given in this media.
I mean... we are watching anime for enjoyement, am I right? Hence, why it must be bound to reality at 100% synchro?
That said, I can relate how things might be "exaggerated" in a sense, but seriously, I think this kind of points are taken way too seriously.
Yeah,i know i shouldn't take this too seriously since this is just an anime,but i can't help but feel that way after most of the heroine i watched in animes are like that.That said,i didn't mean that Nagisa is not a likeable character,so don't get offended by what i said.It is just a matter of opinion.
Klashikari
2008-01-28, 11:02
Yeah,i know i shouldn't take this too seriously since this is just an anime,but i can't help but feel that way after most of the heroine i watched in animes are like that.That said,i didn't mean that Nagisa is not a likeable character,so don't get offended by what i said.It is just a matter of opinion.
Indeed, I don't see why a character should be liked by everyone just because of some sweet assets. After all, even the most holy characters can be hated for "shallow parts" etc. It might look ridiculous for the fans, but it might be justified for others. It is just relative to the view stand point after all.
As you said, it is kinda a trend the anime series are taking recently. Whichever it is a good or bad thing is up to the viewer I believe. though, some disagreements sound a bit "useless" in a sense that people should not take things out of the character/series "pretention" ^^
In my mind, I would rather welcome colorful characters instead of brooding ones, etc. It is quite on a whim though.
In the latest ep I wanted to punch her in the face for just rolling over for the underclassmen. Some people might say what she did was nice, but I think it was idiotic.
I have to say as much as I'm on the opposite spectrum of you on the subject of liking Nagisa, I agree with you. I mean how are you going to achieve your dreams if you keep bending over like that? I probably would've acted much the same way as Sunohara or Kyou. Being one of Nagisa's friends that worked hard to help her establish a club, then for her to step out of the way like that, I would feel betrayed.
That's actually quite ironic because I feel the usual "tsundere" type is almost as unreal as "too sweet to be true" characters.
Hmmm I don't know, in my experience I've met quite a few people that I could categorize as 'tsundere', while I really only met one person ever that I would think about categorizing in 'too sweet to be true'.
Just personal experience of course. :D
Indeed, I don't see why a character should be liked by everyone just because of some sweet assets. After all, even the most holy characters can be hated for "shallow parts" etc. It might look ridiculous for the fans, but it might be justified for others. It is just relative to the view stand point after all.
Shallowness is probably the trait that plagues most anime characters that have a personality like Nagisa's. Nagisa is definitely not shallow though, and her relationships with the various characters of Clannad appear to be not forced at all. Because of that, I think people that do like Nagisa aren't just looking at the superficial level.
Yeah,i know i shouldn't take this too seriously since this is just an anime,but i can't help but feel that way after most of the heroine i watched in animes are like that.That said,i didn't mean that Nagisa is not a likeable character,so don't get offended by what i said.It is just a matter of opinion.
I understand your thoughts as it was the same as mine, which I posted a couple of pages back. Nonetheless, an Anime is still an Anime regardless of how the author wishes to portray the characters. IMO, the reason you're pissed is probably because you've watched various types/genre of Animes for quite some time. Some tend to be realistic/easy to relate to in real life, eg: Honey and Clover while others are just common/easy to spot but at the same time unique like Clannad. Although some characters may seem too good to be true eg: Nagisa, in the end we still watch the show for the sake of curiosity and fun, whether we choose to like it or not is another debate. A series itself is like a packet of candies where we can pick
what we like and discard some which we dislike, so it's all good.. at least for me.
Nagisa was absolutely right with her decision. What sense does it make to achieve ones dream when you have to destroy someone else's dream? That's nothing she would do, because she would never be happy with this, and that's why I like her.
I feel a bit sad for the people who don't want to understand that though...
mandarb916
2008-01-28, 16:35
Nagisa was absolutely right with her decision. What sense does it make to achieve ones dream when you have to destroy someone else's dream? That's nothing she would do, because she would never be happy with this, and that's why I like her.
I feel a bit sad for the people who don't want to understand that though...
Not sure I agree with her decision being right or wrong, rather that it's just a decision. At what point does one stop sacrificing their own happiness for others? While there's no set line as it varies from person to person, I think she takes it a little too far.
That said, she's an idealist, but perhaps a little too short sighted, and inadvertently, a lot more selfish than one might be led onto believe or want to believe. Her sacrifices generally force those close to her to make sacrifices in order to placate herself and it's a trend that's seen also in the game, imho. Don't get me wrong, she's not being cunning or manipulative....it's just the consequences of her personality type.
Not sure I agree with her decision being right or wrong, rather that it's just a decision. At what point does one stop sacrificing their own happiness for others? While there's no set line as it varies from person to person, I think she takes it a little too far.
As I said, she can't be happy it she knows, that the pursuit of her dream on a certain way would destroy another one's dream. This is no price she would want to pay.
That said, she's an idealist, but perhaps a little too short sighted, and inadvertently, a lot more selfish than one might be led onto believe or want to believe. Her sacrifices generally force those close to her to make sacrifices in order to placate herself and it's a trend that's seen also in the game, imho. Don't get me wrong, she's not being cunning or manipulative....it's just the consequences of her personality type.
She forces nothing, it is the decision of the people around her to "sacrifice" something to help her finding other solutions as it is her decision to "sacrifice" the club for the choir club. And I really don't like the word "sacrifice" here, it sounds like there would be anything bad about doing anything you can for those you love.
They help her because they are her friends and it is their very own determination, Nagisa wouldn't be able to manipulate anyone, her personality denies it.
rave_master16
2008-01-29, 03:28
You know I think all of you were moved by Nagisa's self-sacrifice... and you pissed off like Youhei Sunohara....haha:heh:
For Nagisa's "unreal" personality, are you saying she's too-good-to-be-true...:D
And for me I watch anime as an escape in reality...because only in anime we see this kind character that we don't normally see and we really can't see in real life.
And also the personality of Nagisa is I think making us hope that there are still people in this world like her.....(Well normally people reach their dreams by stepping another) and i think Nagisa's decision is for the best that she think Though it was a let down that all of her friends help her up to this point...
And as I said Im not angry... And Im not going to punch a girl because she didn't do thing I wanted to happen..:heh::heh:
And 1000 kicks combo is "unreal" too:heh:
Sigh.:p
"The Choir Club is seriously trying to create music, but the Theatre club is.."
IMO, Nagisa thinks that Nishina-tachi (the Choir Club) is more serious than her, because she even failed to find even a person who shares the same interest with her, while the choir club had 3 members(?) already.
I remember also she said something about how she felt like she was lying to the student council.
It could also be, that she still have no idea about what she should do after she rebuild the club. In this case, it's not about her being overly kind, it's just hesitation.
I am a normal person, but if I was on Nagisa's shoes, I might do the same as her.
why isnt nagisa walking with tomoya to school in these past eps?i thought they did do that b4.
bladeofdarkness
2008-03-01, 16:17
just watched ep 19
then went back and watched ep 1 again
is nagisa the same character
Klashikari
2008-03-01, 16:26
Definitely not and her development took 18 episodes.
She was already "upgraded" with episode 15 already (though Fuuko's arc got tons of these as well).
Mirrinus
2008-03-01, 17:20
why isnt nagisa walking with tomoya to school in these past eps?i thought they did do that b4.
No, they weren't most of the time, I'd imagine. After all, how else would Tomoyo stalk wake him up and make sure he'd come to school on time? I think their walking together has mostly been the exception, not the rule, up to this point, with the key scenes being episodes 1 and 10.
Deathscyther
2008-03-01, 17:41
I've fallen in love with Nagisa. She's a great character, who has a lot of flaws, but is growing more and more. And this is mostly thanks to Tomoya. And you could say that this words in reverse as well. Nagisa helps Tomoya to grow as well. That's why I like them as a couple as well.
Some people say that she's acting out of character now and I have to disagree with that. I think her development has been handled very well actually. It took some time, but she's finally opening up. She's been developping during all the arcs, while the focus was more on the other characters, but she's been growing during those arcs as well, and especially during the Fuuko arc.
Don't forget...she finally managed to create the theater club...this must have given her a boost of convidence as well...and Tomoya was cheering her on and telling her to work hard and do her best. And now she's doing just that. And because of this we get to see her confident(and somewhat bossy XD) side as well.
Again, I think they've handled her character very well up to now.
tripperazn
2008-03-01, 20:22
I've fallen in love with Nagisa. She's a great character, who has a lot of flaws, but is growing more and more. And this is mostly thanks to Tomoya. And you could say that this words in reverse as well. Nagisa helps Tomoya to grow as well. That's why I like them as a couple as well.
Some people say that she's acting out of character now and I have to disagree with that. I think her development has been handled very well actually. It took some time, but she's finally opening up. She's been developping during all the arcs, while the focus was more on the other characters, but she's been growing during those arcs as well, and especially during the Fuuko arc.
An awkward transition at first glance, but that isn't unnoticed or unintentional by the writers.
Notice how Nagisa is only "bossy" towards Tomoya when they are alone. In front of the others, she is still just as shy as she was in the beginning of the series. Not only is that character development, it shows that she regards her relationship with Tomoya as "special". It's what's natural for her. Nagisa is far more outspoken at home, it just extends to Tomoya now, her character didn't change. I see it as a sign of caring for Tomoya's well being (for him to actually graduate and have a future), just like how she offered to have him stay over.
Second, it's not like the writers didn't know it was going to be awkward. Tomoya even told her that she's surprisingly "meddlesome" in both letting him move in and making him go talk to the teacher (mistranslated as being "a maid" in Sprocket).
Deathscyther
2008-03-01, 20:32
An awkward transition at first glance, but that isn't unnoticed or unintentional by the writers.
Notice how Nagisa is only "bossy" towards Tomoya when they are alone. In front of the others, she is still just as shy as she was in the beginning of the series. Not only is that character development, it shows that she regards her relationship with Tomoya as "special". It's what's natural for her. Nagisa is far more outspoken at home, it just extends to Tomoya now, her character didn't change. I see it as a sign of caring for Tomoya's well being (for him to actually graduate and have a future), just like how she offered to have him stay over.
Second, it's not like the writers didn't know it was going to be awkward. Tomoya even told her that she's surprisingly "meddlesome" in both letting him move in and making him go talk to the teacher (mistranslated as being "a maid" in Sprocket).
Yeah, I completely agree. She only opens up like that around Tomoya and her family. Tomoya is a special person to her, so she acts natural around him. This 'bossy/confident' side has been inside her all along...it just didn't come out because she only does it around people who are close to her.
It's the same for me...I only open up around people who I am close with. Around people I don't really have a bond with...I tend to be shy and such. But around those 'important people', I'm like a totally different person sometimes, because I show them the side that's usually locked inside me. So Nagisa's behaviour seems really natural and realistic to me.
And yeah, even Tomoya (who is dense) noticed her change. He probably doesn't have a clue why she opened up so much towards him though (again...he is dense XD)
Nagisa is such a kind and pure girl.......there is no reason for me to not love her.
Since I played AfterStory,I know I will remember her as the most impressed girl in all anime and Gal games I have ever met.
I love her,and the love between she and tomoya.I think It's one of the most beautiful love I have ever seen in Gal game.
CrowKenobi
2008-03-01, 21:22
And yeah, even Tomoya (who is dense) noticed her change. He probably doesn't have a clue why she opened up so much towards him though (again...he is dense XD)Maybe he'll wise up when she (finally) starts referring to him by either his first name, or drops the suffix from his last name. :D
:cool:
RandomFlameStrike
2008-03-02, 00:48
Yeah, I completely agree. She only opens up like that around Tomoya and her family. Tomoya is a special person to her, so she acts natural around him. This 'bossy/confident' side has been inside her all along...it just didn't come out because she only does it around people who are close to her.
It's the same for me...I only open up around people who I am close with. Around people I don't really have a bond with...I tend to be shy and such. But around those 'important people', I'm like a totally different person sometimes, because I show them the side that's usually locked inside me. So Nagisa's behaviour seems really natural and realistic to me.
And yeah, even Tomoya (who is dense) noticed her change. He probably doesn't have a clue why she opened up so much towards him though (again...he is dense XD)
Oh yeah what you said does make sense, I remember a part in the game at the very beginning when Tomoya was first invited to Nagisa's house, he notices how she suddenly becomes all talkative and that "He couldn't get half of this out of her". Heh he was thinking "I lost to THIS wierd family?!...Wait why am I being jealous?!".
Deathscyther
2008-03-02, 09:18
Oh yeah what you said does make sense, I remember a part in the game at the very beginning when Tomoya was first invited to Nagisa's house, he notices how she suddenly becomes all talkative and that "He couldn't get half of this out of her". Heh he was thinking "I lost to THIS wierd family?!...Wait why am I being jealous?!".
Yeah, I liked that part in the game:p
she has some kinda "moe" to her =)
KholdStare
2008-03-09, 17:28
she has some kinda "moe" to her =)
She's way too "moe" and has been my favorite character since the start. I hope it all goes well at the end!
Since episode 9's thread spun a bit with Nagisa's illness, I thought I'd start it in here.
What do you think is wrong with Nagisa? We know that it causes an extended fever and that it is somehow weather related (Since she got it in the cold and in the rain), and since she always seems to get it in the winter.
In addition, gave veterans know that it is also
genetic, at least according to the information we know. It doesn't have to be, though, since Akio and Sanae show no signs of it.
To be honest, I still like the thoughts of Hepatits B. Any other thoughts?
MeoTwister5
2008-12-02, 09:52
Couldn't be Hepatitis B in my opinion. No signs of liver problems, jaundice, associated gastrointestinal issues or any metabolic problems. Hepatitis doesn't just "pop up" and make her sick whenever it wants, it can relapse in people with chronic infections but not without warning. Granted there is no true cure, still antiviral treatments work to suppress the symptoms and most related problems. If she did have chronic Hepa B she'd be taking lots of antivirals and maybe interferon if her case is bad. She'd also be contagious (saliva, bodily secretions etc.) and have a separate set of eating and bathroom stuff.
And anyway, clearly she isn't on any medication for chronic Hepa B. If she did have chronic Hepa B and she wasn't taking medicine, given the time indicated that she would have been infected she'd have cirrhosis and an obliterated liver. She'd have been dead long before she repeated high school.
I'm a medical school student btw.
I'm no medical student, but I've always thought Nagisa had a really weak immune system. Just that is enough to keep someone bedridden from fevers.
Research has shown that you can literally develop a cold from just cold feet, especially for people with weak immune systems. So if Nagisa really has a weak immune system, she can easily get fever from exposure to cold and rain.
bloodyknight
2008-12-07, 00:19
Yes, that is correct... I am such weak individual... at least when i was young... during her age...
Shinigami_Mello
2008-12-07, 01:36
Nagisa is just the cutest thing ever.
The first time I've liked a female character this much, gaah, she's too cute. I wanna melt everytime I see her!
And yeah, I think a weak immune system is probably what she has. Though it's mentioned as a sickness a lot of times in game/anime. :/
ShimatheKat
2008-12-10, 22:28
I'm VERY VERY sure it's due to her weak immunity. You know, I was thinking of writing "acquired HIV from parents", but then again, I don't think so (other than the fact that that's rude). A weak immunity exposes you to all kinds of illnesses.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-12-10, 22:52
Or maybe you guys should stop speculating so much and wait until the show actually explains it.
Then what is the use of the boards outside of broadcast days⸮ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_mark)
cold_snipe
2008-12-11, 01:32
I'm VERY VERY sure it's due to her weak immunity. You know, I was thinking of writing "acquired HIV from parents", but then again, I don't think so (other than the fact that that's rude). A weak immunity exposes you to all kinds of illnesses.
also,
tomoya doesn't seem to become weaker after having ushio. so its not contagious in any way.
anyways, I say she's suffering from peoples' lack of love towards the town.
What the problem really is does not matter as much that there is a problem.
I'm VERY VERY sure it's due to her weak immunity. You know, I was thinking of writing "acquired HIV from parents", but then again, I don't think so (other than the fact that that's rude). A weak immunity exposes you to all kinds of illnesses.
It has to be something she catches, not something inherited. Otherwise, there's not explanation as to why she caught it after standing outside waiting for her parents. Unless there is something that triggers it.
Kaisos Erranon
2008-12-11, 16:09
Anyone who's played the game should know what's causing the sickness...
Anyone who's played the game should know what's causing the sickness...
No, I actually have no idea. Do they ever specifically STATE it? Either I missed something major, or it wasn't in the game.
They do state it, though any more specification is spoiler material. Go to the other thread.
Shinigami_Mello
2008-12-11, 17:12
I never caught it either when playing, it may have been the patch or that I'm just not good at picking things like that up xD
InFromTheTwilight
2008-12-22, 08:10
Favorite character in the series, very shy in person but passionate about whatever she puts as her goal.
Not to mention the scene of her trying to get Ryou to join the theater club on top of school, that scene made my day.
SidVicious
2008-12-22, 09:23
She is cute, she is a good girl and I just love her. :)
MeoTwister5
2008-12-23, 01:59
Tomorrow is also Nagisa's birthday if anyone cares.:)
kyon.haruhi.suzumiya
2008-12-23, 02:37
Tomorrow is also Nagisa's birthday if anyone cares.:)
Yeah, Xmas Eve. Well, so does Takeuchi Mami of Canvas2, and Yuzu Nanashiro of Canvas.
Still, point observed.
Shinigami_Mello
2008-12-24, 14:22
And now, Happy Birthday Nagisa~!
We wish you well in everything!
Archon_Wing
2009-09-10, 21:57
Bump!
I noted while she cried a lot in the 1st series, Nagisa never cried again past the first part of After Story.
Bump!
I noted while she cried a lot in the 1st series, Nagisa never cried again past the first part of After Story.
Wow, this thread could have gone a year without being revived :heh:
Either way, after the promise that Nagisa made to Tomoya after
they got married, she actually didn't cry. She said that she wouldn't cry no matter how hard things got and stayed true to her words. I felt Tomoya's pain after he found out that the delivery was going to be a risk to her life.
Archon_Wing
2009-09-10, 23:31
Wow, this thread could have gone a year without being revived :heh:
That just wouldn't be right for someone that important to this series. :heh:
Slobodan
2009-09-11, 00:26
Nagisa is awesome. Her keeping that prank note as a memento in the episode 23 was the sweetest thing ever, that just won me over. That episode might be an extra but it complements the image of Nagisa's personality we have really well, it made it complete. She is one that tries to push forward on her own, just unfortunately, fails to do so very well without Tomoya.
When you put such great persistence in the body and mind of someone so fragile and benevolent it is just darn cute.
coderlan
2009-09-11, 03:17
Nagisa is becoming cuter and cuter while the story progresses, especially when she become the mother. Ushio is cute too.
Nagisa is awesome. Her keeping that prank note as a memento in the episode 23 was the sweetest thing ever, that just won me over. That episode might be an extra but it complements the image of Nagisa's personality we have really well, it made it complete. She is one that tries to push forward on her own, just unfortunately, fails to do so very well without Tomoya.
When you put such great persistence in the body and mind of someone so fragile and benevolent it is just darn cute.
That just goes to show you that Nagisa has always been that type of character, even before she met Tomoya who helped her become more social and confident, which ultimately made her all that stronger. Another reason why they're my favorite couple :D
Miyuki-ism
2009-09-11, 13:43
I just liked her attitude in AS better than season 1, mostly after they got married. She did seem stronger.
Celebrianna
2009-10-04, 18:50
I just liked her attitude in AS better than season 1, mostly after they got married. She did seem stronger.
Yep, her character grew. I really love that last shot of her at the end when they went to visit Tomoya's grandmother. She looked quite grown up, strong and settled. I really wish they had shown more of her interaction with Ushio. Maybe with her talking with Ushio in one of the extra episodes. We only got to see Tomoya interact a lot with Ushio.
Though, they didn't have much to work on with Nagisa and Ushio; the VN doesn't really elaborate on that...been a while since I played it last. Blah. Should finish it again on my new comp :D
Slobodan
2009-10-05, 08:11
I really wish they had shown more of her interaction with Ushio. Maybe with her talking with Ushio in one of the extra episodes. We only got to see Tomoya interact a lot with Ushio.
Of course, that would be great, but if you ask me I'd always go with the option they went for (Tomoya as a single father) -- super cute daughter breaking the crude defense mechanism her father has built up is a lot more emotional (we all know Nagisa would be a great mother, no doubt about that).
coderlan
2009-10-05, 10:22
For many reasons, I love Nagisa now after rewatching Clannad and AS, I just wish I could have a girlfriend like Nagisa, hopefully.
Of course, that would be great, but if you ask me I'd always go with the option they went for (Tomoya as a single father) -- super cute daughter breaking the crude defense mechanism her father has built up is a lot more emotional (we all know Nagisa would be a great mother, no doubt about that).
The thing is that he would be single forever. I understand that he has Ushio, but without Nagisa, he would constantly recall memories of her and just break down in tears. I think it would be painful for him to go through life with that pain. We all saw the affect that Nagisa's death had on Tomoya, especially the after affect.
Slobodan
2009-10-05, 13:26
For many reasons, I love Nagisa now after rewatching Clannad and AS, I just wish I could have a girlfriend like Nagisa, hopefully.
I've been thinking the same thing a couple o' days now, I don't think girls like that exist.
The thing is that he would be single forever. I understand that he has Ushio, but without Nagisa, he would constantly recall memories of her and just break down in tears. I think it would be painful for him to go through life with that pain. We all saw the affect that Nagisa's death had on Tomoya, especially the after affect.
Now if they had developed that scenario into something like that Kyou After doujin game it would have made for a nice second love story though.
Now if they had developed that scenario into something like that Kyou After doujin game it would have made for a nice second love story though.
thank's God that didn't happen, I would've dropped the show :heh: kyou has her own route, plus she got an OVA, there's no reason to mix routes.
Why not? Personally I find the separated routes that most VN have to be reused and beated to the point of death. I would appreciate a bigger sense of continuity and mixed approach to the different characters and routes in this genre, and I think that the scenario that CLANNAD had developed towards its end had lent itself to that.
I've been thinking the same thing a couple o' days now, I don't think girls like that exist.
I wouldn't say that for sure, it's just extremely rare to find a girl like Nagisa out there.
Now if they had developed that scenario into something like that Kyou After doujin game it would have made for a nice second love story though.
I actually agree with you here, it's one of the biggest hurdles for any relationship especially if the feelings were as strong as Tomoya's.
Why not? Personally I find the separated routes that most VN have to be reused and beated to the point of death. I would appreciate a bigger sense of continuity and mixed approach to the different characters and routes in this genre, and I think that the scenario that CLANNAD had developed towards its end had lent itself to that.
:heh: IDK, maybe I'm just a sucker for that kind of "eternal love" stories :uhoh:. but that's just my opinion, I was relieved when nothing between kyou and him happened.
If Kyou and Tomoya got together, we'd have a much much much weaker Shana type thinking Nagisa then.
Nagisa: "Why? What is this feeling? ><"
Celebrianna
2009-10-06, 10:49
Of course, that would be great, but if you ask me I'd always go with the option they went for (Tomoya as a single father) -- super cute daughter breaking the crude defense mechanism her father has built up is a lot more emotional (we all know Nagisa would be a great mother, no doubt about that).
Actually, I was thinking of it more from Ushio's side since she wanted to know about her mother. But I guess I should be satisfied with the "Mommy" that Ushio said at the end of the extra episode where they were having the picnic in the park with Fuko and Nagisa calls out to them and tell them let's go home. Awww!
deathreape98
2009-10-06, 21:34
I wouldn't say that for sure, it's just extremely rare to find a girl like Nagisa out there.
Good luck finding any of the Clannad characters in the real world besides the twins and possibly Tomoyo.
If you want to stretch it, I guess I could say that my ex-girlfriend was somewhat Nagisa-like, in always trying to find the good in people and always being nice, but on a much more stupid and manipulated by parents level. She also doesn't look good with short hair.
If the actual Nagisa were real, though, (Which she is, don't tell me she isn't. Clannad is all true, right?) being with her would be quite a double-edged sword, with her sickness that is inheritable.
Well, my gf gets sick quite a bit.
So I'd be worried, but yeah... people are strong, they'll get through somehow. They'll sometimes need help though :D
FhnuZoag
2009-10-07, 07:09
Well, my gf gets sick quite a bit.
So I'd be worried, but yeah... people are strong, they'll get through somehow. They'll sometimes need help though :D
Make sure you are gathering those light balls, just in case.
Haha.
But I dun wanna cheat on my gf D:
I hope it's like in the anime instead XD
Knightrunner
2009-10-07, 20:20
Tomoya is lucky to find somebody that truely cares about him. Nagisa is too optimistic though. If anybody finds a wife or husband that truely cares and support them then they are the luckiest people in the world.
ethereal_sol
2009-10-09, 21:09
Just watched the anime, and played through Nagisa's route in the game. She's pure awesome. I'm still at a loss to *what* exactly she has/had. I know it's been brought up before, but I've searched this thread and the Q/A thread and have found nothing more than vagueness. I'm going to guess it's a genetic immune disorder, but I'm sure it's not so simple, and likely truly just a plot device.
lol.
Well, it kind of is, and it kind of isn't.
We never know for sure what exactly is afflicting her, but it's weaved into the storyline pretty well.
it's something to do with the IW, that's all we can conjecture postively.
Leo_Otaku
2009-10-27, 23:01
her illness was related to that place wasn't it? So then it would not be a real sickness.
It was related to the IW, yes...but it's still a real sickness. It was feeding off her life force, in essence. Then it went to Ushio's.
*wonders if he should put spoilers*
It's the fever that does it.
Isekaijin
2009-11-16, 16:14
It was related to the IW, yes...but it's still a real sickness. It was feeding off her life force, in essence. Then it went to Ushio's.
*wonders if he should put spoilers*
It's the fever that does it.
Even so, fever actually protects the body. The high temperature kills most microorganisms. And if it were only the fever, two or three pills would be enough to cure her...
No, there is something more sinister lurking in her body. I've tried researching her disease but nothing. KEY disease, maybe?
Archon_Wing
2009-11-16, 20:03
Oh yes, Key disease. The disease that happens when we need drama. :heh: Though I think it was better dealt with in Clannad.
Nagisa is the reincarnation of Mizuzu!! She can finally make friends.
I would agree with that...
If only like...
Nagisa wasn't so socially awkward. lol.
I would agree with that...
If only like...
Nagisa wasn't so socially awkward. lol.
Oi, that was only in the beginning of the series. When I first saw Nagisa on the bottom of the hill and Tomoya had that small conversation with her, that was my initial reaction, awkward girl. But as the series moved on and she made friends, she became a normal girl and more ;)
Hmmmmm.
I guess.
She opened up more, but still... =/
Archon_Wing
2009-11-18, 03:20
After Story Nagisa is very different from the first season one. ;)
Yeah, she is, but still, she's still kind of closed, lol.
Yeah, she is, but still, she's still kind of closed, lol.
I can't disagree more. Just refer to the revelation of Nagisa's pregnancy ;) First season Nagisa is definitely not the same, otherwise I would have never fallen in love with her character. I kind of feel insulted by your statement :p After Story Nagisa had a subtle but significant change and there's a reason why she became my favorite female lead. Episode 23 of the first season is the beginning of her development and she became such a great character as the series progressed.
After Story Nagisa had a subtle but significant change and there's a reason why she became my favorite female lead.
I highlight yonder subtle.
Twas significant in terms of her character, but she is still quite closed about things, doesn't want to be too much of a fuss to others, and is almost generally the same person, BUT she does improve in all aspects, and does become quite a bit more selfish. :P
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