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Klashikari
2007-10-22, 14:17
usual drill folks!
Episode 16: Summary and screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/22/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-16-matsuribayashi-hen-3-owari-no-hajimari/)
edit: screencaps are finally uploaded.
flat out revelations and truth.
Painful ordeal for Hanyuu, while Takano is delighted in the shadows...
That said, the PART C reveals how the beginning of the end will rise.
A neat paced episode, giving crystal clear approach of what happened. This is only the first glimpse of it, as the pieces aren't completely shown yet.
Nothing to complain about, as the PART C was not butchered, though a bit shortened. That said, things go serious, and i guess next episode will be BIG on revelations for the year 1980 to 1981 or even 1982.
This epsiode jumps around so much that I think people might get confused if this is the first time they watch this. Just in the A-part, we started from Showa 52, then jumped to S55, then back to S54 and back to S53. Overall they have covered about 12/14 pieces, so it'll probably be impossible for them to cover all of the rest in the next 2 epsiodes...
From the look of things, probably all the pieces in "Gameboard Preparation" will be cut :heh:
Since we have a well translated pieces section here, these are the numbers for those who are intrested:
A Part:
#26,29->28 (+ some 06), 18, 23, 13 (killing part)
B Part:
13->05,24
C part:
#38 (combined with 40, with elements of 34?)
In the end, this epsiode was nicely paced, and introduced many elements to the complex history. Next epsiode will probably be revolved around the events of S55/56
Kazuki_Kun
2007-10-22, 15:27
The raw's up~ ^^
The raw's up~ ^^
Decent episode.
Why are they skipping around? Maybe they think showing the events in a random order makes it kind of like the game.
Dawnbringerz
2007-10-22, 16:57
Why are they skipping around? Maybe they think showing the events in a random order makes it kind of like the game.
Maybe they're doing it in the order of dependency. :confused:
Like piece #24 (Ooishi & Father) and #5 (First Test Subject) having a pre-requisite of piece #3 (Death of Dam Constructor)
harukamae
2007-10-22, 18:09
Wow, leaves a lot of musings/questions:
1)So Satoko's little "gomen nasai" fit in tatarigoroshi-hen is probably from hearing Hanyuu's apologizing voice while she was L4/L5...? And on that, is there anything in particular that dictates when people outside of Rika can hear/see Hanyuu?
2)The miracle from outside thing always bugged me in the pieces because it gave K1 a slight Mary Sue vibe (of course, I've never seen a Mary Sue go into KOOL mode, but that's a different thing entirely...) But I'm also thinking maybe there was a world before the post-credits scene where Hanyuu and Rika could go back further and had already experienced a world where K1 had come to Hinamizawa and made a difference...what do you guys think?
All in all, awesome episode. I adore Satoshi and am starting to love Irie, despite his...lolicon tendencies. It is kinda heartwrenching to see what Satoko goes through and even moreso what Hanyuu witnesses, powerless to change it, over and over again (as well as Rika).
June 1983
2007-10-22, 18:35
Wow, leaves a lot of musings/questions:
1)So Satoko's little "gomen nasai" fit in tatarigoroshi-hen is probably from hearing Hanyuu's apologizing voice while she was L4/L5...? And on that, is there anything in particular that dictates when people outside of Rika can hear/see Hanyuu?
It's my understanding that anyone who is Level 5 or approaching it (like Satoko) can sometimes hear Hanyuu ... that's why Shion could hear footsteps in the Furude shrine's secret chamber.
Sterling01
2007-10-22, 18:52
It's my understanding that anyone who is Level 5 or approaching it (like Satoko) can sometimes hear Hanyuu ... that's why Shion could hear footsteps in the Furude shrine's secret chamber.
They might be able to see her as well
They also made Irie look to much like a good guy because when Takano is talking about bringing in a live subject. He's salivating at the thought of getting new info
Taken from the game
I do not doubt that Takano Miyo-san is my partner. However, there are certain aspects of her that I cannot trust everything about her. ...Probably, it is her extremities as a researcher which contrast largely with mine...
...Yet, how can I say that I am unlike her? Despite what I said, I stand here waiting in front of the dish with my knife and fork. ...Basically, I'm just whitewashing that I don't want to see the fish being prepared before my own eyes. But still, the dinner that she's about to prepare...is the one that I am anxiously awaiting for right now.
What a hypocrite. ...no, not her. I'm the hypocrite.
How can I say that I am different from her from what I have done in the past? I've performed psychosurgery with my own hands without the patient's consent, despite it being a surgery that may affect that person's life for the rest of their lives. How is that any different from what she is about to do now? ...Until today, I've never doubted my past achievements. However...I begin to feel sudden uneasiness when I observe her extremities.
Kang Seung Jae
2007-10-22, 22:52
They also made Irie look to much like a good guy because when Takano is talking about bringing in a live subject. He's salivating at the thought of getting new info.
True, Irie has been too humanized.
Preview for 17 is up.
http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php
Rika causes a BLEEP? lol
Preview for 17 is up.
http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php
Rika causes a BLEEP? lol
Woah! Rika's mom it's a MILF. Finally we see her, and learn more about her relationship with her daughter
Btw...
It's just me or they changed the VA. This time he didn't sound very delicious :(
Nice episode, return of the violence fest and a look to the root of all evil.
Sterling01
2007-10-22, 23:40
So that's how they're doing Rika's mom
I wonder how THAT woman will look like
Klashikari
2007-10-22, 23:46
They also made Irie look to much like a good guy because when Takano is talking about bringing in a live subject. He's salivating at the thought of getting new info
I'm not really convinced that Irie was "salivating" about this at all. The quote (or even the piece itself) made him reflect upon the suggestion of Takano, which turned him off pretty quickly.
The problem is that the anime has absolutely no way to cover Irie's past (the reason why he aimed for Neurochirurgy and then ended up in Psychochirurgy), hence, it is impossible to show the struggle he had before.
Since Irie isn't favorable for such thing, but past isn't possible to show, they had to give him the fittest reaction which is "outraged, but can't argue much".
It was a decent "adaptation", as Irie's struggle would require half a episode to explain, but also to point, as it requires a monologue as well. In this episode, Irie was struck by this, and even wondered "is it forgiveable?"
Concretely, he was portrayed as he was supposed to be.
this is even more suggested in the piece of the "first sacrifice"
" Irie: “….Sorry for being late. You said that there was a patient in his terminal stages?”
Takano: “Yes. And as luck would have it, it’s just when we wanted a living sample too. *chuckle chuckle chuckle chuckle*”
At first, I was suspicious that she forcibly kidnapped a poor patient from somewhere."
"Takano: “This man seems to have some criminal background and is currently on probation. …Yet he committed this crime so the thought must’ve run through him that he should hide it.”
Irie: “…Circumstances aside, I’m sure it must’ve been something in which he wouldn’t be let off too easily with several years in jail or the like…”
Takano: “*chuckle chuckle* Basically he’s just a shit of society. Wouldn’t that fact relieve your hesitation in dissecting him, Director Irie?”
Irie: “…We don’t know if he was a ‘shit of society’ who built up his criminal past and became ferocious from the Hinamizawa Syndrome, or if he was a person who repented his past but unfortunately became a victim of the syndrome and turned violent again. …If it’s the former, well….but if it’s the latter, then there’s no sin towards this man.”
the rest is somehow the same, though Irie was trying to "persuade" himself of the justification of doing such.
So seriously, no, he was humanized that much. He was already like this.
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-10-23, 00:01
Well, that animation quality is about the same as the last episode, so I don't have the reason to add points for that aspect.
The rest of the episode is ok. Once again, I think Hanyuu's serious voice needs to be more...assertive? I mean, her cute side is very, very well-done, but the serious side can use a bit of power. I think Yukino Satsuki has a better "gomenasai"
Once again, loved the scene after the closing credits. Now I know better than to skip everything after the song, haha
Sterling01
2007-10-23, 00:07
No what I mean is that Irie was made into too much of a good guy, they should have shown that he was excited... even if it was only a little bit.
Also in some pieces his thoughts are borderline sadistic
Klashikari
2007-10-23, 00:12
The rest of the episode is ok. Once again, I think Hanyuu's serious voice needs to be more...assertive? I mean, her cute side is very, very well-done, but the serious side can use a bit of power. I think Yukino Satsuki has a better "gomenasai"
The thing is that Hanyuu is "not" serious, but rather pained. the "i'm sorry" parts were more likely some resolve and "kill feeling".
No what I mean is that Irie was made into too much of a good guy, they should have shown that he was excited... even if it was only a little bit.
No, that wasn't exactly like this. Irie was "trying" to feel like excited, as he is remembering of his past, and "motivations".
These are still struggling like hell when he is "interacting" with Takano, and it is even more blatant when L5 are involved.
Also in some pieces his thoughts are as bad as Takano's areDo you have some samples? because the "worst" are probably the first sacrifice and his past, which are mixed bag, more towards "uneasiness" and "struggle between researcher curiosity and human morals"
That said, for the specific period of time the anime portrayed, Irie is reasonably portrayed "accurately". Things might change later on, but with Satoko's case, i doubt it a lot.
Sterling01
2007-10-23, 00:24
Sample
But once I made up my mind to proceed with the dissection...... what was in front of me was a paradise of intellectual curiosity.
The pieces left behind by the late-Takano which were filled with foresight were further confirmed, or perhaps betrayed. Either way, it was one excitement after another.
The excitement of stepping into a mysterious realm that nobody has ever solved before....
This taste of excitement that enslaves you like narcotics, just how can I explain it to someone who has never tasted it? There's no word to describe it.
The only thing that I can say is...... Even one year later right now, I still cannot forget that intellectual excitement.
That's why, if the result of the examination...... shows that Satoshi-kun's beloved sister will become the target for dissection............will I be able to stay calm without licking my lips in excitement?
.........If I dissect Satoko-chan alive.... Will I be able to taste that intellectual excitement again?
Will I be able to reach that realm of trance once again?
...No... Will I be able to win against that temptation?
The man last year...... was kept alive for several months...... while he was being dissected alive.
With his cranium left in an opened state, he wasn't allowed to die for several months, and was kept alive only for the sake of cruel experiments.
I don't want to force that on her......!
What should I do...?
Even my own worries, even my own conflicts, are passively moving to agree to her dissection....
Though Irie does change as the pieces go on, like when C*** is talked about
cereal_killerxx
2007-10-23, 01:03
Come on speed subbers! You can do it! Work your {exploit deleted} off so we can see what happens!
It'd be nice if he posted it while /a/ is still up. Who knows how long it will be up this time.
This is an interesting episode because all the pieces have already been translated. Anyone can read them to see how summarized the anime is in comparison.
Deathkillz
2007-10-23, 01:56
zomg gory :rolleyes:
Its lovely to see the story unfold this way...its all beginning to makes sense! ^^
seeing satoshi is person was something unexpected...maybe next ep we will see what really happened to the boy...why do i get the feeling that takano has something to do with his disappearence...
lawl at the way she tired to seduce tomitake XD
MrAnonymous
2007-10-23, 09:33
Heh, this episode kinda made me hope that Higurashi would make use of that Lost "whshooooooOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSS * BOOOOOOOMMMMMM" noise that always ends character flashbacks.
you know.
just so it would be easier to keep track of where we're going.
kingsky123
2007-10-23, 12:09
Sample
Though Irie does change as the pieces go on, like when C*** is talked about
i like the talk between rika and irie. :D RIKA FTW
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-10-23, 15:08
@Klashikari
I can see what you mean by a pained "gomenasai" from Hanyuu, but the thing is, I didn't really feel any emotion when she said it, which is what I meant by Hanyuu needing to sound more...assertive. Perhaps assertive isn't the right word. I think she needs to sound more emotional. What I felt when I watched the episode was that Hanyuu was really bored rather than pained, but of course, that can be just my own personal interpretation.
kingsky123
2007-10-23, 22:27
Preview for 17 is up.
http://www.animate.tv/special/higurasi_yokoku.php
Rika causes a BLEEP? lol
someone should translate the preview i wanna understand what they were both saying ><
sasuke13
2007-10-24, 11:42
someone should translate the preview i wanna understand what they were both saying ><
It said "On a side note, Hanyuu **** as well..."
Another suprising episode, made me remember all the side-plots in Higurashi, or should I say plots within plots? Gotta love the Takano-Irie interactions especially. I guess upcoming is discovery of the parasite, past recollections for Kei and Rena, the Mion/Shion switcheroo, Satoshi's disappearance, and maybe more loose ends I don't recall. It'll be interesting to see it all tie in with the main plot.
FlareKnight
2007-10-24, 15:43
Well another episode in which we start understanding more things about what's going on. The murder of that Manager finally gets explained. Nothing in conspiracy but a killing that came in a rush. Seems like the manager was affected and went at them and in counter they killed him. Clearly that one guy was well into it with the limb chopping up.
Certainly get to see Satoshi feeling burdened with everything. All the pressure he was under with living in that house. And Takano...that woman creeps me out more every episode it seems. Even planning on dissecting Satoko up.
Hanyuu spending a lot of the episode apologizing for being unable to act all that time. And you can imagine what it was like to watch all this unfold from her point of view. But she'll be ready to go this time. Should keep getting some answers as it moves toward their battle.
Not bad, not bad at all, pieces of the puzzle are starting to fall into place and the series is still able to surprise. I liked Satoshi's outburst, he is not just Satoko's selfless protector. And the first "curse" murder and disappearance was shown quite impressively.
I don't get it how Hanyuu and Rika were able to go back that far in time, though.
Also, since Hanyuu can roam into the clinic and Takano basically behaves like a borderline psychopath, spilling the beans to anyone who might be eavesdropping, I find it more and mroe implausible that Rika and Hanyuu never suspected her.
k//eternal
2007-10-24, 19:19
I don't get it how Hanyuu and Rika were able to go back that far in time, though.
Also, since Hanyuu can roam into the clinic and Takano basically behaves like a borderline psychopath, spilling the beans to anyone who might be eavesdropping, I find it more and mroe implausible that Rika and Hanyuu never suspected her.
It was an early repeat--Hanyuu did say her power was diminishing, but I assume the first few times this was possible.
True, Irie has been too humanized.
I disagree. I though that he was portrayed as a spineless wimp who can't stand up to his own subordinate when she's blatantly going off and making people become affected by the Hinamizawa syndrome in order to acquire more test subjects. He's certainly not sympathetic since he could easily prevent this but doesn't do so.
Well another episode in which we start understanding more things about what's going on. The murder of that Manager finally gets explained. Nothing in conspiracy but a killing that came in a rush. Seems like the manager was affected and went at them and in counter they killed him. Clearly that one guy was well into it with the limb chopping up.
I'd say that Takano arranged for him to be infected in order to cause that incident to take place.
Sterling01
2007-10-24, 19:38
Just so you know technically Irie is Takano's subordinate so he couldn't really stop her if he wanted to
Neki Ecko
2007-10-24, 20:55
I don't get it how Hanyuu and Rika were able to go back that far in time, though.
Also, since Hanyuu can roam into the clinic and Takano basically behaves like a borderline psychopath, spilling the beans to anyone who might be eavesdropping, I find it more and mroe implausible that Rika and Hanyuu never suspected her.
I think in the beginning, Hanyuu had alot more power to restart over far back in time, but each time that happen, the same result happen and she had to restart again, I believe I think she has been doing that for a very long long time and each time that she resets, Rika was starting to doubt if she can save herself and get out of June 1983 without getting harm, but when a shining light of hope came in because of one person and that person's will to change everything including fate, made her try harder to do impossible.
cereal_killerxx
2007-10-24, 21:01
Awesome episode, indeed ;) Hopefully they cram most of pieces and story together without too many plotholes. Can't wait for the next episode XD
I can't remember if I saw it in this episode or not, my memory's not working properly these days.... But there's a scene with Miyo and Tomikake at a bus stop with pouring rain, did she sell her body to him to gain his absolute trust?
Sterling01
2007-10-24, 21:14
No that piece was horribly mangled here how it is in the game
Even though the weather did forecast that it was to rain this afternoon, I never imagined that it would be such a downpour. We took shelter at an abandoned bus stop and waited for the rain clouds to clear.
Tomitake: "I'm sorry, Takano-san"
Takano: "Oh, that's alright, Jirou-san. I went with you despite knowing that it would pour. *chuckle chuckle*"
Takano-san chuckles.
It is all my fault for dragging her out here despite her cautions that the weather might change all of a sudden. I feel embarrassed as a man who ruined her precious day off.
I have to go back to Tokyo tonight, so I won't be able to come to Hinamizawa anytime soon. Once that thought ran through my mind, I just couldn't waste the day by staying at the cheap hotel in Okinomiya. So, I asked her out.
Tomitake: "Yes...well...hahaha...I'm sorry"
Takano: *chuckle chuckle chuckle*
She made fun of me for a while with her like a cute devil. It's not that I'm enjoying her cornering me with her jabs. I sincerely thought that her style of communication was quite charming.
...I believe...that I had become capitavited by her. However, to her, I'm just an auditor from Tokyo. ...She's just being nice to me because of my position, and I know that she does not like me as an individual. ......And it hurts me to think that I might've forced her to come along with me because of my position.
Perhaps it is best that I should just disregard this slight fever that I feel as nothing more than just an oncoming cold. However, I know that she is also a type of person who says no when she dislikes it. ...Of course, she doesn't bluntly say "no," but she is capable of distinctly saying "no" by using various indirect means and methods. ...So, I hope that she is here with me right now because she might have a little attraction towards me...
Tomitake: "....sigh"
I shake my head as I frown upon my own selfish thoughts. Yet, she quirps a cute chuckle as if she knew what I was thinking. My face blushes at her little actions.
Takano: "Jirou-san, you're such an interesting person. You must be popular with all the ladies back in Tokyo. Why would you want to go out with a queer woman like me...?"
Tomitake: "I, I don't think you're strange... Takano-san is very attractive as you are...! In fact, I feel sorry for having you to spend your precious day off for a guy like me."
Takano: "Yes, while it's true that I vowed to subject my life to research, but life is dry with just only that. It's also important to have fun once in while. ...Besides, engaging in communication with the person of the opposite sex is an excellent way to revitalize brain cells. *chuckle chuckle*"
Tomitake: "Ahahahahaha... I hope that I could be a help making Takano-san feel refreshed..."
Takano: "You...don't feel refreshed with me around...?"
Takano-san made my heart pound as she smiles at me like a cute devil. I immediately try to hide my embarrassment so that she would not notice that my face might be blushing to the ears.
Tomitake: "Oh no...! I too...feel very refreshed with Takano-san around! And, oh yeah, it's also much more interesting for me if Takano-san learns how to do avian photography with me...! Oh, I'll bring my old camera with me the next time. These things are expensive to buy and all...hahahaha..."
Takano: "Thank you. I would be very interested to learn how to take pictures which seems to be your pasttime *chuckle*. I would love to do avian photography with you the next time. So does that mean that I wouldn't need to buy my own camera?"
Tomitake: "Ah, yes, that's right! You should practice with my old camera first. Once you get used to that, you can buy your own if you want! I..I'll send you the camera once I return to Tokyo!"
Takano: "Thank you. I would like to hear your comment on the pictures that I took the next time you come here."
Tomitake: "S...Sure...! Hahaha, I wonder what kind of pictures they're going to be!"
Takano: "*chuckle chuckle* They're not going to come out like Jirou-san's. It really is going to be my first time."
I was blushing bright red and scratching my head. In sharp contrast, she was still her cool self as she smiled. I don't know if I'm being self-confident or not... But I get a feeling that Takano-san doesn't mind having me as her company... If it was just utter social flatter, she wouldn't go along with me this far.
....Ah, no no. What am I thinking? I've always failed for taking a woman's social flatter too seriously. I must not think that she might have some interest in me....
Takano: "....By the way, isn't this the first time we've actually had the time to talk together alone?"
Tomitake: "Y, yes. Usually the director or other researchers were around."
Takano: "I really don't know that much about you. Things like what kind of work do you do back in Tokyo or what your past was like. If you don't mind me asking, what do you do within the SDF...?"
Tomitake: "Aha, hahahaha.... Well, I was an instructor for a while, or at least I thought it was. But I sustained a certain injury to my eye. It wasn't that much of a big deal as I can live life normally. But they decided it was serious enough, so right now all I do is desk work. Ahahaha...."
Takano-san took another jab at me as she chuckled by saying that I must've done something stupid to cause that injury to myself.
Tomitake: "And while I was helping public relations make their own magazine, that was when I first became fascinated with photography! These cameras have the power to capture human happiness. Ahahahaha, you might be thinking I'm nuts, but it's true. I've felt and began enjoying everyday ever since I took up taking photography."
Takano: "...How can a camera make a person so happy...?"
Tomitake: "Well, a camera is able to take a snapshot of a piece of daily life. And if you want to capture that for later view, you'd want to take pictures filled with happiness right? So, as you peek through the finder while wondering where you can find happiness...lo and behold, you realize that the things that you thought were just a part of normal life were actually immersed in so much happiness."
..For example, a dandelion sprouting from the cracks of the asphalt can be overlooked as you walk by in your busy daily life. However, when you look at it through the view finder, you realize that it is a very special present that tell you that spring is approaching. You take that as a picture and leave it in a photo album. And everytime you open that photo album, you remember the joyful feeling that you had when you took the picture.
Takano-san: "Does Jirou-san always feel that way when you take your pictures...?"
Tomitake: "Uh-huh. For me, the ambition to take a Pulitzer winning pictures and the like is not a high priority for me. I believe that the fascinating thing about a camera is that it is able to re-recognize all the little joys that we tend to overlook everyday. That's why it is a very fabulous hobby for me that I can feel that way as I peek through the view finder in Hinamizawa."
Takano-san: ".........hmmm....."
I have a tendency to go overboard when I talk, but Takano-san usually playfully twists my words right back at me. ...So it was very rare to see her listening carefully to what I was saying. Takano-san sat right next to me...and began fiddling with my camera. ...I don't know how much of an impression I gave to her with my ramblings, but it seems that she has begun to show a bit of interest in photography. I assumed that she was going to make fun of me as usual, so this reaction that she showed was blissful to me.
Tomitake: "Do you want to take a try at it?"
Takano-san: "...Do you think I could?"
Tomitake: "Oh, it's easy! All you have to do is get the hang of focusing and pressing the shutter. Here, you can hold it. Oh, don't touch the lens...!"
Takano-san: "Boo. It's not easy as you say..... *chuckle chuckle*"
Since she seemed to have shown some interest in photography, it would be best if we could start taking nature photography in this beautiful place called Hinamizawa. ...Unfortunately, the rain doesn't seem to show signs of clearing anytime soon. However, she was clearly enjoying her new found hobby and began taking many photographs of items that caught her eye inside the rundown bus stop. So the very first pictures that she took happened to be odd things in an around this dank shack.
Ever since then, whenever we get together, both of us would go around the village taking pictures with our cameras...
I'm really enjoying what they are doing. After answering the principle question "Why are these strange events occurring?", most animes would just try to resolve it. Here, they're trying to do the Meakashi-hen version of the show: Show everything that actually went on from the very begginning. My understanding is that it was like this in the game too.
Overall, a wonderful episode, part of a wonderful epic series.
It was an early repeat--Hanyuu did say her power was diminishing, but I assume the first few times this was possible.
It makes no sense for this to be an early repeat, they make a point of showing a very determined Hanyuu, especially in the epilogues of the last two episodes; and Rika's speech in this epilogue makes me think she remembers the Minagoroshi events.
No that piece was horribly mangled here how it is in the game
Wow, that was horribly portrayed in the anime... They turned something "relatively" pure, into something that could give people the wrong idea.
Radikaru
2007-10-25, 00:19
lol, I wonder what the bleep'd out word Rika said in the preview was.
kingsky123
2007-10-25, 00:25
@Klashikari
I can see what you mean by a pained "gomenasai" from Hanyuu, but the thing is, I didn't really feel any emotion when she said it, which is what I meant by Hanyuu needing to sound more...assertive. Perhaps assertive isn't the right word. I think she needs to sound more emotional. What I felt when I watched the episode was that Hanyuu was really bored rather than pained, but of course, that can be just my own personal interpretation.
it was in retrospect. like she was narrating the past. "all i could do was say sorry"
dspr8_rugged
2007-10-25, 09:22
That was an interesting episode. I can't see any bitching about it considering that this episode does indeed contain "pieces" of the story.
Best part of the episode is the revelation of the first-year murder case. Who would have thought that it happened because of Takano testing the syndrome, and not by radical anti-dam villagers like a lot have thought happened in the first place.
Miko Miko
2007-10-25, 12:06
it was a nice episode :P
Takano is going evil again :heh:
I think Akasaka is coming in next episode? :confused:
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-10-25, 15:52
I think the best part of the episode was the part after the ending theme. It would've been even better if that candy shattered. That would be like...WOW!
About the Hanyuu retrospect, I thought that she was actually thinking back to one of those reruns of the past in which she was apologizing, because Satoko said she heard someone apologizing when she woke up. Considering Hanyuu's fading powers, I didn't think she would be able to go back that far after Minagoroshi-hen.
And actually, I got somewhat confused midway through the episode with the flashing back and stuff like that. Near the beginning, we see Takano suggesting that Satoko be dissected, and then we flash back to the time when Satoshi brings Satoko to the clinic. Is my interpretation right for this one? If it is, then I would've preferred that they don't keep flashing back and forth because it does cause some confusion.
I too wonder what triggered the bleep in the preview. It seemed to have something to do with Hanyuu too, so I'm immensely interested, haha
Nemesis Zone
2007-10-25, 21:13
i did not understand a thing because the ep 16 in the series is RAW
i why didbt translate into english?
i did not understand a thing because the ep 16 in the series is RAW
i why didbt translate into english?
you can find ep 16 subbed in English now.
Anyway, Takano is still crazy, but hot in that uniform. tisk tisk.
Christen
2007-10-25, 22:33
A correction, the dam incident didn't happen by Takano's doing. It was merely the dam manager going L5 and the others almost hitting that point.
But one could speculate if the yamainu had anything to do with inducing L5 into some residents of Hinamizawa. Takano only ordered them to look for anyone with L5 conditions.
lol, I wonder what the bleep'd out word Rika said in the preview was.
Unfortunately the rules forbid me from saying what the word obviously was here because that would be a spoiler. :uhoh:
Sorrow-K
2007-10-26, 06:40
This episode is probably one of the best examples in this franchise that I can remember that managed to have lots of gruesome Higurashi moments, yet still push to plot forward with good pace.
There's so much good stuff in this series. It still astounds me how well they've managed to tie so many subplots together and keep it so cohesive and coherent. This episode again did a great job of combining horror and drama. And, I have to say, I prefer this method of revelation where they actually show stuff happening, to the one they used in the last arc, where they just had Rika reveal a whole heap of answers in a half-ep long speech. This has more impact, IMO.
Sinestra
2007-10-26, 08:28
Just when i think Takano cant get anymore crazy she proves me wrong. This was a great episode showing how everything came about and some of the events that took place during the dam war and the rift between the Houjos and Sonozaki's. Hanyuu's resolove seems to be deeping and the fact that we are completing the puzzle after we have waited so long just shows how wonderful and indepth Higurashi is. K1 really was/is the key to breaking this endless waltz. An outside force not connected to the village i can only wonder about the outcome and the end result of Takano and the everyone else invovled.
I really want to know what was bleep out but as i have read it is a spoiler so i will wait and see.
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-10-26, 18:26
The thing is, reading the pieces and tips totally didn't help me decipher what was bleeped out. Perhaps I'm just really slow in these things, haha
You shouldn't take what is said during the previews seriously.
Grimkill7
2007-10-26, 18:56
Well the first incident with the Hinamizawa curse has been resolved. Now the incidents involving Satoko's parents, Rika's parents, and Satoshi/Satoshi's aunt still need to be resolved.
Sterling01
2007-10-26, 19:40
The thing is, reading the pieces and tips totally didn't help me decipher what was bleeped out. Perhaps I'm just really slow in these things, haha
The word is not a spoiler. The Previews are jokes if it was supposed to mean anything it would be
"Hanyuu, fuck you as well" since Rika was in Dark mode
starry_sky45
2007-10-26, 20:34
I enjoyed this episode thoroughly.
Its nice to finally figure out who sliced up the body.
Amazing episode. They did an incredible job chaining the pieces. Can't wait for the next one (We'll get to see rika's mother. whee! :3)
BLEEP! :P
QuestionableLogic
2007-10-27, 17:48
Oh, yes- Rika's mom!
k//eternal
2007-10-27, 18:19
Unfortunately the rules forbid me from saying what the word obviously was here because that would be a spoiler. :uhoh:
You mean Rules X, Y, and Z? :)
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-10-28, 00:17
The word is not a spoiler. The Previews are jokes if it was supposed to mean anything it would be
"Hanyuu, fuck you as well" since Rika was in Dark mode
I see, then that makes me wonder what Davidj thought the bleeped out word was
k//eternal
2007-10-28, 02:04
He was joking.
Klashikari
2007-10-28, 12:49
*ugh* after a long while... finally done with it
Episode 16 : Analysis (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/higurashi-no-naku-koro-ni-kai-episode-16-analysis-thoughts-and-random-comments/)
references, timeframes for the pieces etc.
For your curiosity, i also added the KAKERA MUSUBI, Game Version. (well, only explanations/screenshots, as pieces are translated from a long time so ^^)
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-10-28, 20:47
@Klashikari
Nice analysis. It was very detailed indeed, not to mention that it was rather insightful. You wrote that Hanyuu had actually rebooted back in time while Rika has not arrived yet. So does that mean the Rika of this time has not lived through Minagoroshi-hen? For me, I just thought that Hanyuu was thinking back about one of the many times they had rebooted instead of physically going back because it seemed like her powers won't allow for going back so much.
Klashikari
2007-10-28, 20:53
No, basically, what I tried to imply is: we don't know if Rika (or rather Frederica?) already rebooted as well, so the Rika we saw in this episode doesn't exactly prove it is the very last one, the "present" from Minagoroshi-hen. That doesn't mean she won't show up, but even after what Rika said, it doesn't prove much that she is the one after minagoroshi, especially if Hanyuu talked to her. So, what i imply is: "consciouness of Rika - Minagoroshi-hen -" wasn't transferred yet.
That said, it is obviously not a simple retelling of the past, since hanyuu proved that she has knowledge of Minagoroshi-hen. (as she finally realized that she has to believe in it as well) and has a direct "interaction" with the past we saw (be it her confrontation with Takano, or her discussion with Rika).
that is still only an observation and deduction from how the loop worked until now.
It is only pure speculation/observation for the moment, as any of the wild guess should be confirmed in episode 19.
-MotokoAoyama-
2007-10-28, 23:05
@Klashikari
Ah...I see. Thanks for the clarification. So the clip of Takano against Hanyuu links to the current reboot? Hmm...I really look forward to seeing how the anime will connect the pieces to Matsuribayashi-hen then. I wonder why Takano was able to see Hanyuu in the first place while she is invisible to everybody else.
Sterling01
2007-10-29, 00:01
She was very determined
Nemesis Zone
2007-10-29, 04:52
its the beginning of the seson END
i really want a Happy ending this time
this EP make me knows what happen to the last arm poor old man:D
what about the next EP any details?
Next episode is about Rika's parents.
kingsky123
2007-10-29, 05:43
the problem with the last few episodes is that they make it seem that their retelling the past. Then they add moments where it isnt just 'telling' it.
But i think i understand what is their plan already :
Their telling the story through the eyes of hanyuu.
So I finally watched the episode. It is again extremely violent (apart from brains splashed on the walls now we have trepanation of the skull without drugs) but the authors still have that wicked sense of humor.
Hypertaost
2007-10-29, 19:34
Wow... I loved this episode. We finally get to see Mion after all this time^^
FlareKnight
2007-10-29, 21:09
It's nice to see the main crew alive again.
We'll be getting into a tough final round. It's a bit easier than I imagined since they don't have to beat the government per say. Just stop Takano which is a monumental challenge itself. Sort of going from impossible to incredibly difficult. She's got a private army guarding her so lot of problems. At least Rika knows who she is up against and has to plan accordingly.
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