Clannad - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll [Archive]

monir

2007-10-25, 03:51

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boggart

2007-10-25, 04:45

With what looks like a Nagisa focussed ep ahead, and the screening of BS-i's widescreen version, what more could a CLANNAD fan want? :p

toxic_trance

2007-10-25, 06:55

Only one thing... ICHINOSE :love:

iamandragon

2007-10-25, 10:02

With what looks like a Nagisa focussed ep ahead, and the screening of BS-i's widescreen version, what more could a CLANNAD fan want? :p

The complete English patch of the game.

Rhyel

2007-10-25, 10:06

With what looks like a Nagisa focussed ep ahead, and the screening of BS-i's widescreen version, what more could a CLANNAD fan want? :p

A well designed doujin. :heh:

eMpTy265

2007-10-25, 10:13

The complete English patch of the game.

+voice

(Wishes that the PS2 versions could be translated ><)

(oh BTW, is the current WIP using the voiced seen.txt?)

Kristen

2007-10-25, 10:48

The complete English patch of the game.

Complete with the game. :) *Goes to search for lots of money*

iamandragon

2007-10-25, 11:59

+voice

(Wishes that the PS2 versions could be translated ><)

(oh BTW, is the current WIP using the voiced seen.txt?)

That's definitely good.

I think it's about time we get back on topic--I still havn't seen episode 4 yet so I have nothing to say...(:cries:)

Nightengale

2007-10-25, 12:01

The complete English patch of the game.

Shouldn't it be 杏アフター for you? :p

Shiroth

2007-10-25, 12:09

I officially label this Sunohara day.

iamandragon

2007-10-25, 12:09

Shouldn't it be 杏アフター for you? :p

Won't go that far. I mean...I like Kyou because she is in CLANNAD, it's not Kyou the existence alone that I like, but the story of her, Ryou and Tomoya that makes me like her.

Seska

2007-10-25, 12:10

As long we don't bend to much out of the Off topic window, and no future Spoilers. We should stay save...... or not? :)

Nightengale

2007-10-25, 12:13

I officially label this Sunohara day.

I'd like it to be, but I wouldn't put my money on it. :uhoh:

Nightengale

2007-10-25, 12:57

The counter resets after one day it seems. And other people's kick count in the counter.

Yuusuke... and... Fuuko's sister... Yuusuke Yoshino... Hmm...

OMG THAT WAS HILARIOUS. THEY USED SUNO'S GAME TEMPLATE! WIN!

LOLOLOL ROU BETWEEN RYOU AND HER LOLOLOL.

Overall, definitely better than the previous. The pacing is more natural, the comedy were more spot-on (( thanks to the man )), and the build-up of story-arcs for non-Nagisa seems to have started a little.

fuzzles

2007-10-25, 13:16

I officially label this Sunohara day.

i hope you're right

Rembr

2007-10-25, 13:48

Are they seriously wrapping up Fuuko scenario this early?

eMpTy265

2007-10-25, 14:16

Yay... first Tomoya+Tomoyo combo, breaking the 1K hit benchmark in the process.

I feel bad for Sunohara, getting beat to the point where they have to censor his face :p

Sunohara: Luck 15... no wonder he's so screwed...

On another note, I fear that Tomoyo might be put to the sidelines at this rate...

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LOL at NagisaXRyou, I was hoping that they'd put that in

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9896/ryounagisauv5.th.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ryounagisauv5.jpg)

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Looking forward to how much of 'Fuuko Master' we'll get to see...

Looks like the founder's festival will be used to deal with Fuuko, unless they somehow put the other older/younger sister set into the mix...

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hmm... that was a random post...

Klashikari

2007-10-25, 14:33

usual drill...

Episode 4: summary and screencaps (http://animehistory.wordpress.com/2007/10/26/clannad-episode-4/)
Edit: screencaps are UP. summary is reworked.

Cyz

2007-10-25, 14:49

Screenshots (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/10/25/clannad-04/) of ep. 4 courtesy of Random Curiosity. As usual, look at it at your own risk!.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-10-25, 14:52

Screenshots (http://randomc.animeblogger.net/2007/10/25/clannad-04/) of ep. 4 courtesy of Random Curiosity. As usual, look at it at your own risk!.

If they'd focus half as much on other things as they do on the kicking this would be a much better show. The kick joke is almost like the Anime Tenchou or Lucky Star of this series. It looks like this show has exhausted it's stable of comedy after a mere 4 episodes. They really oughta switch to drama mode next episode.

One thing did pique my curiousity and that's that the VS bar seems to be from the Key game Little Busters! But then that's from another game entirely. Maybe it was also in the Tomoyo After engine, but again different game. Must be a treat for Key fans.

mikemil828

2007-10-25, 15:04

If they'd focus half as much on other things as they do on the kicking this would be a much better show. The kick joke is almost like the Anime Tenchou or Lucky Star of this series. It looks like this show has exhausted it's stable of comedy after a mere 4 episodes. They really oughta switch to drama mode next episode.

You know, for a guy who supposedly hates the show you sure are quick to download the raws.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-10-25, 15:20

You know, for a guy who supposedly hates the show you sure are quick to download the raws.

I don't download any raws, I have another source.

NaweG

2007-10-25, 15:20

I had hoped, particularly after the first episode, that KyoAni was going to do more with Sunohara than they've shown so far. He has the ability to be more than just comic relief, and I hope that we start to see that at some point.

Not that I had any problems laughing at what happened to him in this episode :D

Shinova

2007-10-25, 15:22

Did you guys catch the reference to Little Busters? Maybe KyoAni will be doing that game in the future. ;)

Kaioshin Sama

2007-10-25, 15:26

Did you guys catch the reference to Little Busters? Maybe KyoAni will be doing that game in the future. ;)

Ahem....:( (http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1220108&postcount=20)

I have a feeling that is something you can count on.

mikemil828

2007-10-25, 15:27

I don't download any raws, I have another source.

Either way you follow the series much closer than one would think for a person that doesn't like the show.

Shiroth

2007-10-25, 15:35

Ohmygod.. Kotomi's 'move around on her knee's' was not only animated nicely, it was so mooooooooooooooooooe~~~!

That was absolutely lovely.

Yeah great episode, lol's all around.

PhantomX

2007-10-25, 15:48

Ohmygod.. Kotomi's 'move around on her knee's' was not only animated nicely, it was so mooooooooooooooooooe~~~!

That was absolutely lovely.

Yeah great episode, lol's all around.

I agree... it's the little details like this that make me enjoy KyoAni works.

Though the way she pats the cushion is a little unnatural/creepy... I rofled though when she says "Tomoya............................................ ..................... kun"

Kotomi has the best theme music :D

Shiroth

2007-10-25, 15:54

Kotomi has the best theme music :D
Yeah, 'Etude pour les petites supercordes' is a lovely piece of music.

Phoenix14

2007-10-25, 16:23

lol, poor Tomoyo.

Shinova

2007-10-25, 16:29

Either way you follow the series much closer than one would think for a person that doesn't like the show.

It's easy if you think about it. He's not following the show cause he likes it; he's doing it so he can criticize it and appear sophisticated for not following with the rest of the pack. Leave him be and let him have his self-esteem fix. Or just put him on your ignore list and do away with the problem altogether.

Cyz

2007-10-25, 16:39

The scene when Kotomi faces Tomoya is really cute. And her theme song is really nice. Fits her personality well. I guess the only way to distract Kotomi from studying is Tomoya calling her Kotomi-chan then :blush:

iamandragon

2007-10-25, 17:31

Kang Seung Jae

2007-10-25, 18:14

Lilies + Comedy = Love.

rg4619

2007-10-25, 18:35

Seems like they're also trying to advertise little busters! in CLANNAD. See this screen shot for more information: (courtesy of randomcuriosity)

That image is probably more of a homage than a piece of hidden advertising. After all, it means nothing (Clannad characters only) to those who aren't already familiar with the gameplay of Little Busters!

cshard

2007-10-25, 19:45

Heh, if there was an actual "battle" between Nagisa using Dango Daikazoku and Sunohara using a PSP with the LB battle system... I can't wait to see that little reference. XD Can't wait to see the "confession" scene too, along with the inevitable Oneechan powaa scene with Kyou. XD

Looks like a nice ep, and seems like Tomoyo's story is finally proceeding beyond the combo kicks.

Decagon

2007-10-25, 21:04

I like Sunohara so far. He's like the troublemaker no one takes seriously. Reminds me of some idiot friends from high school.
Ryou was seriously moe in this ep, and I can see why Kotomi has so many fans too. It's almost a shame there are so many characters since there is so little time to bring them out.

edit: Now that I think about it, it will be annoying with so many characters. Every week I'll be waiting--"whose stories will they go into?""whoa, that lead in really has me hooked on (girl)'s story""how many weeks until I get to see more of (girl)'s arc?!" Would it be much simpler to just get a copy of Clannad and play it? Maybe I should go sit in a corner until next Thursday.

Proto

2007-10-25, 21:09

A nice episode overall. The characters interactions never cease to amuse me (well... except for Kotomi's and Tomoyo's who seem to be getting the lower end of the stick for now, for the rest it is a big thumb up from me). It seems that they'll go the route path after all, but as long as they manage to fit Nagisa somehow throughout the series (something like the Kanon manga, but better done) it will be all for the better.

And yay for the easy to follow Japanese. It rises my self esteem to be able to understand almost everything without having to rewind too much :p

Joachim

2007-10-25, 21:37

Shinova

2007-10-25, 22:52

kaishoin : you are a strange one ;D not watching raw but still can give 5 for a score, are you on some kind of ANTI-KEY crusade? (well its not like this is the first time i saw you doing this)

back to topic

arghhh fansubber go go go

Anti-KyoAni actually.

If by chance we see one or a few more LB references in future episodes then I wonder if it'll be okay to start speculating on a future LB anime. ;)

toxic_trance

2007-10-25, 22:56

Well..there are always some people like this. I think it is VERY wrong for people to vote out of prejudice. In animation...where the genres like action and sci-fi easily take all the credits... I think one should respect such a work which is trying to be different and doing a good job at it.

Please refrain from voting before watching a show, and if u dont like it...Pls respect the feelings of those who like it and avoid coming here

Mirrinus

2007-10-25, 22:58

I hope we don't end up going through this in every single episode discussion topic...

Nightengale

2007-10-25, 23:02

Aw, c'mon, people are entitled to their own opinions. People can not like the comedy aspects of Clannad, and being a comedy-heavy episode this time round, it shouldn't be all that strange. I believe he said that he wasn't fond of Youhei, and that alone can dock his own points for this episode.

PhantomX

2007-10-25, 23:08

I don't really see what's not to like about KyoAni... they have superb animation and an incredible penchant for detail o_o

Kaioshin Sama

2007-10-25, 23:21

Okay, this is going drastically off topic, but let me just very very quickly go over a couple things, and then like Mirrinus says, let's not have this discussion anymore:

1. People are getting the wrong idea about something. First let me say I wholehearedly agree with the belief that their shouldn't be premature voting. I think Monir has done an excellent job of saying why that is. The problem is that I have seen the episode. I'm not about to post a direct link to how I saw it, because it may possibly get me and the whole site in trouble. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

2. Every show has it's viewers that come here and post and aren't sold on the series early on. I can think of a number of shows this season that have faired way worse on the criticism front then Clannad. I felt the episode was below average, I voted on it. Nobody is hurt here. The poll's go from 1-10 for a reason.

Now I really didn't want to have to type this as it has absolutely nothing to do with the episode, but I really wanted to clear up these misconceptions.

In fact just so this post isn't completely out in left field, somebody said I don't like Sunohara, and they are right. I also said I felt this series would be much better without him. I lament his presence in the show, but unfortunately there's nothing I can do to protest it other than to let it be reflected in my vote. Once there is a character discussion on Sunohara I'll try to go into detail more about why I dislike him.

Freeter

2007-10-25, 23:24

Kotomi vs Fuko for next year's Saimoe, that match would be epic.

I want to see a team super from Tomoyo, Kyou, and Tomoya ala Rival Schools :heh:

toxic_trance

2007-10-25, 23:32

Is it me or do i just see a 1280x720 RAW release on the torrents :love:

Eveb though 16:9 is supposed to release..i didnt know this was HDTV???

Leo_Otaku

2007-10-26, 00:45

+voice

(Wishes that the PS2 versions could be translated ><)

(oh BTW, is the current WIP using the voiced seen.txt?)

OOT: I've played the PS2 w/ the patch just have the tv beside the computer. The PS2 just has some few lines taken out not many at all. It is possible ^-^

Pretty good episode but anyone else think they are going too far into Fuko first 0_0 danger will robinson!

Overall decent episode I loved Sunohara in the tree XD that was great to see >.< As well as the blur screen on his head. He is sure going to get an ass kicking in this anime.

Little Busters reference was great ^-^

As for the hits it should have been reasonalable amounts not in the hundreds. I don't think they did that every time before in the game...

Still enjoying how Nagisa joins Tomoyo on his journey

tbl

2007-10-26, 04:47

The RPG joke was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

grey_moon

2007-10-26, 05:51

Well they just can't go wrong with this series, absolutely loving every moment of it, but what is Ayu's arc doing in here? Not that I mind as I love Ayu.

Kotomi-chan is just too cute, especially when she wanted him to sit next to her to read. I wonder if she really is just a lonely soul inside? I guess it must be hard to be at school and have everyone treat you so differently.

I wonder if what Sunohara did actually counts as a confession?

Ascaloth

2007-10-26, 06:08

Watched the TWH-Sprocket sub of Episode 4. (BTW, anyone has any inside information on who the new subbing group Mellow is supposed to be?)

This is an episode which starts off with some of the best comedy to relax the audience, and then when the audience has their collective guard lowered, it hits them with a startling revelation when they're vulnerable, thus magnifying the impact of the revelation. As far as storytelling goes, one can't get much better than that.

10/10

toxic_trance

2007-10-26, 06:21

So KyoAni and KEY get to do what tey do the best..shoot u when u r least expectin it. I guess it is time to get off the forum , brace myself and count the seconds till the Eclipse release

EDIT: Eclipse sub is OUT ^_^

Westlo

2007-10-26, 07:28

This was a big improvement on episode 3 imo, the majority of jokes hit the spot with me this time unlike in 3, the rpg part and the combo counter were nice and had an interesting revelation at the end which happened a lot earlier than I thought anything that major would.

9/10 for this episode, making it 9, 9, 7 & 9 for the first four episodes from me.

2H-Dragon

2007-10-26, 07:36

Though I want it to focus on the drama part. The comedy is really good though. The ep did give enough things to think about, so it's not a pointless ep.

The shoujo-ai scene was nothing but love though. KyoAni next project should be shoujo-ai.

So Hoshi-chan is a spirit with her body in coma right? or is she dead?

darlliu

2007-10-26, 07:49

Yes, the whole scene made me laugh like crazy,Tomoya and Sunohara's gestures especially.... AND Ryou seemed to "agreed to it" although she later found out it was not the case....pity......

Bondius

2007-10-26, 07:53

4th episode was awesome x.x

Way to go, Tomoya! He gave the winning kick for Tomoyo's +1000 hit combo! The first 18 minutes were hilarious, I just had laugh after laugh ... yet, Key style, the last minutes made me half-emo wondering what's gonna happen next. I honestly thought they were talking about Kotomi when they were saying about the ghost but Fuuko? I didn't see that coming. Plus the Ryou x Nagisa yuri scene was total win! :D ... I was nearly blowing steam out of my ears worse than Sunohara.
And I sense Kanon vibes, why do I feel her story is similar to Ayu's? She was in the hospital, in a deep comma, yet her soul (or something like that) lived on in the outside world. I think it will turn into a huge drama at the end of her arc, somewhat like the Ayu-Yuuichi scene at the end of Kanon.
Anyhow, it was an awesome episode and I honestly can't wait for the 5th (coming in T-7 days and counting).

boggart

2007-10-26, 08:19

Seems like they're also trying to advertise little busters! in CLANNAD. See this screen shot for more information: (courtesy of randomcuriosity)
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2863/clannad2020042020large2pq4.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clannad2020042020large2pq4.jpg)
Hahaha... funny that that was the first thing I thought as well when I saw this part! They've even included the equipment that the fighters use in each battle as well.

If by chance we see one or a few more LB references in future episodes then I wonder if it'll be okay to start speculating on a future LB anime. ;)
I'm waiting for an OVA for planetarian... :p

But back onto topic... I thought again the content was varied enough to keep me entertained. Points of interest were:

* Sunohara flying out the window after a certain mission-gone-wrong
* Fuko's meetup with Sunohara and Tomoya, and subsequent moe-ness
* Little Busters! reference
* Glimpses of shoujo-ai for the fans... :p

Kristen

2007-10-26, 08:32

I don't remember the last time I enjoyed an episode this much. All the comedy was just perfect, and Kyoto hit it on the nail. The RPG, the hit counter, and "Your hair is an impossible color!" Oh, this is just too great.

I guess they'll be doing Fuuko's arc first?

DragoonKain3

2007-10-26, 08:49

Oh god... my stomach... hurts... laughin.. too... much....

Being kicked to oblivion is repeated too many times, and I hope they stop next week. But Sunohara still is DA BOMB! God, even till today he's still rotfliraious. Trying to get Tomoyo into the men's washroom... :D

And the rooftstop scene... I couldn't stop laughing all the way through... the starry background and Sunohara's exxagerated reactions was so over the top that it worked very well for me.

I hope they keep the comedy up; it's just golden. Though by the looks of the state of fuuko, next episode might turn a bit more serious.

If they keep up the comedy and they don't ruin the drama, this series will probably knock off Nodame Cantabile from the top of my list this year. As it is, Clannad is leaving the rest of the pack (aka the series this season) behind in the dust.

bullrogg

2007-10-26, 08:51

sunohara got owned...thats all i gotta say..great episode :P...that makes it 4/4 he got a beating....can it be 5/5 next week? (most likely..lol)

Mentar

2007-10-26, 09:08

Is it me or do i just see a 1280x720 RAW release on the torrents :love:

Eveb though 16:9 is supposed to release..i didnt know this was HDTV???

It's not. It's a station upscale of a clear SD source, and in fact a pretty poor one. Noticeable rainbowing and most of all NASTY dotcrawl.

A very disappointing airing.

The Avatar

2007-10-26, 09:40

Shouldn't Sunohara and Tomoya have seen Kyou's pantsu when she lifted her leg.

Owaranai Destiny

2007-10-26, 10:01

Shouldn't Sunohara and Tomoya have seen Kyou's pantsu when she lifted her leg.

Maybe they just didn't want to get strangled or kicked in the face again. ;)

Sunohara provides entertainment as usual, I see, and Tomoya is certainly more than just talk. At least one kick of being called 'a delinquent'. I think I'll quite like the scene with Nagisa and Ryou, as well as the foreshadowing for Fuuko and a little of Tomoyo.

Kinny Riddle

2007-10-26, 10:21

Just when I thought things were beginning to settle down...

- Tomoyo hits continue to increase - first 843, and then 949, and we get our first combo, this time with Tomoya, so it's now up to 1013. Sunohara, to actually survive so many hits, are you even human!? He's so badly hurt that they even "pixellated" his face. LOL (That part is only available in the game once you clear the game entirely and replay that scene. )

(Not to mention being kicked out of the window onto the tree was major LMAO)

While saying this is cruel to poor Sunohara, I am VERY looking forward to seeing Tomoya's PERFECT HIT COMBO (with up to 8 people) in the school's Founder's Day.

- Ryou x Nagisa Yuri FTW :love: Just look at how fired up Sunohara is. Not to mention both he and Tomoya were adding fuel to the fire by saying "Gender doesn't matter. It's the thought that counts." :D When it turns out Nagisa was only asking for help about the Drama Club, Tomoya and Sunohara suffered the wrath of Ryou's sister, as expected.

- Not only am I glad they included Tomoya's RPG imagination scene in how to beat up Sunohara, but Kyo-Ani repackaged it with a Little Busters framework. Nice!

- "Notomi" kawaii yo, "Notomi". :love: (No prize for guessing pun)

- Fuuko "Drinking Juice With Her Nose Skill" Level 1 reached!

I guess the truth's out, sooner than I expected, looks like they'll go into Fuuko's story first. EDIT: On second thought, that IS quite a spoiler, so I'm removing it. Forget anything existed here. :D

Clannad's main scenario writer Maeda Jun must have an intense hatred for the Student Council back in his schooldays. The SC president in Kanon was already an arsehole, and the SC here are just uptight bureaucrats for the sake of it.

PhantomX

2007-10-26, 10:34

Am I the only person that found it immensely ironic that Ryou, who just a couple episodes ago had been completely distraught at the thought of her sister being bisexual, was accepting, what she thought to be, a confession of love from another girl? XD

toxic_trance

2007-10-26, 10:35

HOLY F**K... Ichinose was simply toooooo cute. :love: The whole leg movement was simply too much too view in one go. I actually paused the scene because my brain couldnt take that much of cuteness in such a short time.

Nagisa x Ryou kicks ass. BTW..when Ryou said Yes..didnt she say it thinking Nagisa was asking her out???? I think I realise now why she was sad when she came to know Kyou was bi..I think she was repenting for not having known it sooner :p

And seems like KyoAni punches u again when u least expect it. But still..I dont think the arc of the girl in question should get over so quick. Hope she is there till the end

PS: A bit dissapointed because I get Ayu vibes of this..except that Tomoya didnt meet this girl 7 yrs back

9/10 again ^_^

panzerfan

2007-10-26, 10:59

I wasn't expect Fuuko's part to come forth so quickly, but anyway.

This episode really was great in how that Tomoyo has scored past 1000 hits.

ImpulseRAven

2007-10-26, 11:04

why wasn't there a scene with the girl in white whos usually in the beginning of the show?

NaweG

2007-10-26, 11:34

Clannad's main scenario writer Maeda Jun must have an intense hatred for the Student Council back in his schooldays. The SC president in Kanon was already an arsehole, and the SC here are just uptight bureaucrats for the sake of it.

That's not how it was in your school? I was in Student Council for one year in High School, and quickly learned what the "real" purpose was and got out. If you're not sure of the real purpose, there was a Simpson's episode that covered it nicely where they do an homage to Evita with Lisa...

Given how many other Anime have treated their SC's similarly, I suspect this is not THAT uncommon an experience.

Kyuusai

2007-10-26, 11:37

- Sorry, I'm not that much of a Sunohara fan, either. It's not that I dislike him so much as I think we just see a bit too much of him considering that he's really just a vehicle to get us from one part of the story to another. Even that's not so bad, really, but so many of the jokes around him seem stiff and awkward. There are exceptions, and they're usually when things are moving very fast. For example, the kicking is getting a tad old, but surprise combo kick sent me into uncontrollable laughter. Sunohara's fast-paced reactions to taking Tomoya's advice on giving Tomoyo compliments were moderately funny, but it's too bad the scenes where he actually complimented her were nearly excruciating to watch.

- Did any one else getting a vaguely Gurren Lagann-ish feeling from the opening scene? I was waiting for Tomoya to tell Nagisa to not give up because her drill would pierce the heavens. :heh:

- I thought going to the effort of recruiting the class president was kind of contrived, since all she did was explain some basic rules that surely they had to be aware of, anyway. The mistaken confession scene was hilarious, though. Not because of the mistaken romance (which drug on too long, I felt), but because of the co-ordinated, effortless execution by Tomoya and Sunohara. Now the idea that they are friends feels more natural. The closest example I can think of is American television's "Scrubs" characters J.D. and Turk. Really, Tomoya asking all of these people he's just met about the drama club feels rather strange. I'm not sure how it plays out in the game, but it feels weird here.

- I don't know why, but Tomoyo pushes my moe buttons. I've often been able to say that about characters who are very strong underneath an outer layer of quirky femininity, but Tomoyo is like that type turned inside-out. Accepting that, though, it's easy for me to classify the girls according to my viewpoints (not the show's progression, but my preferences): Tomoyo is the preferred romantic lead, with Kyou as the best-friend/alternate romantic lead, while (in descending order) Fuuko, Ryou, and Nagisa fill the adorable-little-sister-type role.

And so I'm secure in having arranged them in my head. And then Kotomi blindsides me. Her turning-on-her-knees move? Attack of opportunity + Sneak attack damage. Add to that her soft requests to sit beside her or eat with her? Critical damage!

If Kotomi keeps this up while the anime moves into Tomoyo's story, I'm going to suffer from moe overload.

- Man, Tomoya is prepared. Last episode he had another knife for Fuuko, and this episode he had a pair of chopsticks with him. Or were those brought by Kotomi? *moe twitch*

toxic_trance

2007-10-26, 11:45

i just saw this episode again...and i think something hit my head...By any chance..was the lady who met Tomoya in the Furukawa Bread Shop, by any chance Ibuki-sensei..Fuko's Onee-san???

Klashikari

2007-10-26, 11:48

i just saw this episode again...and i think something hit my head...By any chance..was the lady who met Tomoya in the Furukawa Bread Shop, by any chance Ibuki-sensei..Fuko's Onee-san???

Pay attention to the voice in the preview, and play back episode 3 with the bakery scene ;)

Ascaloth

2007-10-26, 11:56

Blog post is up:

[RIUVA] CLANNAD (TV), Episode 04 (http://www.riuva.com/?p=784)

Kinny Riddle

2007-10-26, 12:00

That's not how it was in your school? I was in Student Council for one year in High School, and quickly learned what the "real" purpose was and got out. If you're not sure of the real purpose, there was a Simpson's episode that covered it nicely where they do an homage to Evita with Lisa...

Given how many other Anime have treated their SC's similarly, I suspect this is not THAT uncommon an experience.
My school's SC was pretty much non-existent to begin with, they had not much power to do anything save on the school's Open Day. Instead, most of the power laid in the hands of Prefects, who are basically just teacher's pets, enforcing their draconian school rules.

i just saw this episode again...and i think something hit my head...By any chance..was the lady who met Tomoya in the Furukawa Bread Shop, by any chance Ibuki-sensei..Fuko's Onee-san???

Pay attention to the voice in the preview, and play back episode 3 with the bakery scene ;)

If you still don't get it, take out your Kanon DVD and listen to Akiko-san speak. A more simple alternative is to just read the cast credits in episode 2, her name is there.

Solafighter

2007-10-26, 12:02

Great episode! :)

Jerseykid

2007-10-26, 12:28

chain combo!

sapphirearcz

2007-10-26, 12:40

Indeed enjoying every moments of the comedy.. Though tomoyo seems to be distancing >_< some expected parts did not happen with her.. are they jumping into fukko's arc 1st??

Kinny Riddle

2007-10-26, 13:10

Shouldn't Sunohara and Tomoya have seen Kyou's pantsu when she lifted her leg.

Well, maybe they have. But best to stay quiet, you know. :D

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6753/2007102614rb9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Tomoya: (Psst, Sunohara, so it is light blue, as you say)

rimaa

2007-10-26, 13:19

pretty funny episode

Ashlotte

2007-10-26, 13:37

Ok this episode had so many great scenes I wouldnt know where to start...Needless to say this one made me laugh so hard for so long I kinda lost my voice for awhile after. :heh:

Kotomi scenes where the pinnacle of it all though. She is just too damn cute for words. ;)

Kaioshin Sama

2007-10-26, 13:48

- The mistaken confession scene was hilarious, though. Not because of the mistaken romance (which drug on too long, I felt), but because of the co-ordinated, effortless execution by Tomoya and Sunohara. Now the idea that they are friends feels more natural. The closest example I can think of is American television's "Scrubs" characters J.D. and Turk. Really, Tomoya asking all of these people he's just met about the drama club feels rather strange. I'm not sure how it plays out in the game, but it feels weird here.

You mean Theresa and Dr. Turkleton. Now, if Tomoya starts calling Sunohara "Blonde Bear" then we'll know there's something more going on.

PhantomX

2007-10-26, 13:59

Seska

2007-10-26, 14:04

If you pay attention to the end of the preview for next ep, and notice a little something (assuming you're at least a little spoiled)... it seems it might be likely for Fuko's arc to end in episode 5.

Well, dunno. If you watch the OP carefull, you see the Introduction of our "Chun-Li" Kicksass girl, pushing an Wheelchair... And now combine 1+1....:) You get my gist?

Takuto19

2007-10-26, 14:08

10/10 For this episode.

Really enjoyed this one, thought it was one of the best so far, really liking Fuko and Tomoyo heh, shame we have to wait a week for the next episode.

Rengemaru

2007-10-26, 15:06

The most things that made me choke from laughing were the confession scene and the "chain combo" scene which was totally unexpected :D

Moving along to the serious events, I have to say, the 1st story is finally unfolding! Can't wait to see what this Ayu-wannabe holds for us, can't wait for next week!

tabun

2007-10-26, 16:00

More screen time for Fuko, wich I am pleased with :heh: Maybe it's just me, but her spacing out because auf the "cute" stars brings back memories of Kareha ("Maa maa maa!") :D me likes

Overall, I think the episode just strictly continues what the last began. If you look at the characters involved and the respective "story arcs", that is. It also adds some depth. As far as I am concerned, I'd also call this the strongest episode in regards to comedy thus far ;D

Cheers

KaneDragon

2007-10-26, 16:09

HOLY F**K... Ichinose was simply toooooo cute. :love: The whole leg movement was simply too much too view in one go. I actually paused the scene because my brain couldnt take that much of cuteness in such a short time.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/2082/snapshot20071026163056bx6.jpg
Okay, Kotomi-chan~ ;_;

Nagisa x Ryou kicks ass. BTW..when Ryou said Yes..didnt she say it thinking Nagisa was asking her out????
Quoted for emphasis. Ryou accepted Nagisa's confession before she realized it wasn't a confession. This is vital intelligence. :D:D:D
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/441/falseconfessionks9.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=falseconfessionks9.jpg)

An absolutely brilliant plan by Tomoya. On behalf of all male fans around the world, I salute you. ;_;

Rhyel

2007-10-26, 16:12

Ryou is a Bi too. :D

FlareKnight

2007-10-26, 16:39

Damn Tomoya is pretty good. Calls out Kyou as being bi in front of the class then confirms Ryou with a trick confession :). Not bad, that's an interesting pair of sisters to be sure. Vital intelligence indeed.

The chain combo was hilarious. Sunohara was totally owned with getting knocked back into the fray. Getting smashed out a window and just getting taken out in so many ways. Have a feeling his beatings will continue to have their humor.

Do feel for Tomoyo though. Even if Sunohara is the comic relief being doubted that your a girl would be a hurtful thing. Not a bad attempt by Tomoya to try and use her being able to wear dresses as a lure for the theatre club. Overall just not having much success in getting new members.

Plus the major situation with Fuko. Finding out that she's most likely a ghost was a shock. Sure she seemed a bit out there, but didn't think she was 'that' out there. Don't normally expect ghosts to be so solid. Constantly sitting around and making those stars. Will be interested in seeing how her story is going to progress.

GyroidFanatic

2007-10-26, 16:49

Echoes

2007-10-26, 17:25

Tomoyo +1 for thinking she was behaving like a normal girl. ^^

The chain combo was great, just when I was afraid seeing him getting kicked around would be repetitive, awesomeness was served.

The yuri bit was cute, for once I'll have to agree with Sunohara.

Fuko, a ghost? Didn't see that coming. An interesting twist, things are starting to come together now.

Lastly, Kotomi-chan? Hell yes. *looks forward to more of her*

dgreater1

2007-10-26, 17:33

The way Kotomi-chan turns to face Tomoya is uber-win, made my day!
Kotomi: :confused:

The mistaken confession scene is just so damn exciting just like they said. :heh:

And Tomoyo pwning Sunohara until his head becomes freaking beat up that it should be covered with mosaic was freaking hilarious.

About Fuu-chan... I think they gave the hint too early :p

Also, Kyou's surprised reaction when she heard about the confession thing when they were in the woods with Botan. She's probably thinking, (there's a boy going to confess to her?) thinking that her sister has beaten her to that area :P

gab_rey

2007-10-26, 17:37

That 1000 combo scene was great and Fuko possibly being a ghost was unexpected.

I give this episode a 10/10.

Flonne

2007-10-26, 17:42

I liked the Fuko screentime,but i really do think that we're going too fast with her arc,something i'm not too content with.

I also liked the Tomoyo scenes,they're pure gold.
The Little Busters! joke was also fun.

Takuto19

2007-10-26, 17:50

Thought the best part was when Tomoya was going to sqeeze the juice up Fukos nose heh, loved the part with Kotomi as well, really great character, looking forward to seeing how Tomoya's relationship plays out with her.

rusyixun

2007-10-26, 17:55

Quite an entertaining episode, Sunohara's antics with Tomoyo and the confession bit made me laugh. Heh, Ryou was probably hoping Tomoya was asking her out.

I doubt Fuko's a ghost - besides, doesn't Nagisa say her teacher's sister is still alive?

Unless it's the Ayu deal but Key wouldn't repeat themselves that blatantly.

holyman282

2007-10-26, 18:35

I really loved this ep, full of funny bits.. Fuko is really interesting especially when she's talking to Tomoya... We also got to see Tomoyo blush a bit which was nice too..

Sunhora is still funny as hell but he's only funny because Tomoya constantly puts him in those situation.. Lol I wonder why Sunhora still hangs out with Tomoya even though he's done so many painful things to Sunhora lol..

Also could this be hinting something when Sunhora said that Tomoya and Tomoyo are on the same wavelength? Well their names are pretty similar too lol

X207

2007-10-26, 19:00

that was a damn funny ep, one of the best so far. lol tomoya i playing around with his friend and that 1000hit combo.

kimchipride

2007-10-26, 19:06

VERY good ep. It was really funny especially the scene at the roof.:heh:

Mirrinus

2007-10-26, 19:14

shoehead

2007-10-26, 19:24

I thought that this episode was hilarious.
The especially funny scenes were the "confession" scene and the scene with Tomoyo and Sunohara

toxic_trance

2007-10-26, 19:30

Apart from the awesome shoujo-ai sequence between Nagisa and Ryou...what made the scene more rocking had to be Sunohara's expression. I am pretty sure almost all CLANNAD fanboys had a similar expression and luckily not a friend like Tomoya to whack them :p

BTW..it still seems unnatural, that Fuko arc will be over so quick. I m hoping that Fuko wont disappear that easy... even if i aint her fanboy, i would hate to see her leave, atleast one more "dribloo~, shootoo~" sequence, and maybe i could get over her loss >.<

And most importantly..no matter how much i post...it still seems unnatural if i dont mention this.. Kotomi-chan gave me a million heart attacks in that instant when she turned 90 degrees. I dont think any mention about this episode is complete wothout a mention to Kotomi-chan's pose

Kotomi-chan is definitely the girl to watch out for, one doesnt get cuter than that ...
:love: Kotomi-chan Dai SUKI>.< :love:

EDIT: In case u wonder why I dont have a Kotomi-chan sig or a avi although i m all lovey-dovey about her...Well..Frankly..I dont think Animesuki's size limit can capture the amount of Moe she emits..since it runs in Gigs I think :p

Call me lame..but thats how cute she is :love:

boggart

2007-10-26, 19:35

LOL... am I the only one not affected by Kotomi's moe? I don't think that I'm much of a fan for her... :p

Mirrinus

2007-10-26, 19:37

It's not just the scooting-around scene that's so wonderful about her. It's that she's reading astrophysics! As my roommate (math major) would gladly tell you, girls who like physics and mathematics are hawt (because so few girls actually major in those subjects...).

Shiroth

2007-10-26, 19:40

LOL... am I the only one not affected by Kotomi's moe? I don't think that I'm much of a fan for her... :p
If you're not that much of a fan of her, then that's okay --- different tastes and all, THOUGH HOW CAN YOU NOT BE AFFECTED BY SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF MOE!? :3

Knee turn (<3) started it, then the pat pat pat of love, ending it with Kotomi just being lovely.

I love her, and those knees.

Teiran

2007-10-26, 19:42

As someone who only took the most basic science courses in college to satisfy general education requirements, I have to say that it's equally possible for Kotomi's charm to be fully independent of her studying astrophysics. ;)

Not to express amazement that anyone could be insensate to her moe, boggart, but that little knee shuffle combined with that BGM and that voice... she just blew me away there.

Sorrow-K

2007-10-26, 19:42

The Nagisa x Ryou confession scene was just brilliant. Never mind the rest of it, that made it all worthwhile.

I am rather indifferent to Sunuharo v Tomoyo, but the fact that each of their confrontations is subtly different keeps it from becoming totally tired and frustrating. I did laugh at the combo, though.

I don't have an initial good impression about Fuko's story, since too much of it resemblesAyu's arc.They could take it in a different direction, obviously, but Key has forged a pretty good reputation for originality, so I'd find it jarring and disappointing if they were taking stories from their own games, with only minor variations.

Kotomi vs Fuko for next year's Saimoe, that match would be epic.
Not going to happen. Everyone knows that next year's final will be between a Nanoha character and a Rozen Maiden character.:rolleyes:

Eviltape

2007-10-26, 19:57

Breaking 1000 kicks. That alone made the episode absolutely awesome. That and the whole Ryou-Nagisa scene. Rofl.

But hey, this main storyline works too! :P

holyman282

2007-10-26, 19:57

If you're not that much of a fan of her, then that's okay --- different tastes and all, THOUGH HOW CAN YOU NOT BE AFFECTED BY SUCH A HIGH LEVEL OF MOE!? :3

Knee turn (<3) started it, then the pat pat pat of love, ending it with Kotomi just being lovely.

I love her, and those knees.

I know, that pat pat of love is so nice.. I'm surprised that tomoya rejected that offer. I would of sat there even if i didn't know astrophysics.

cshard

2007-10-26, 20:22

Tomoya : One~! Two~! One~! Two~! One~! Two~! One~! Two~!
Fuuko : Mou~~ Yamete kudasai! Saiyaku desu~!

Love the animation in that scene. XD

Kotomi-chan~~~~

Dammit... Kotomi-chan landed a critical hit this ep on me... XD Lovely expression she had on when she was teling Tomoya "Mata ne". If we weren't going Nagisa-chan's route (so far) I'd have cursed Tomoya for not taking Kotomi up on her offer to sit next to him and study together. XD I won't bother repeating what others have said about her 90 Degree Moe Hissatsuwaza though. :heh:

Was hoping Tomoyo would have looked a bit more upset at what Tomoya told her about Sunohara's intentions, but oh well. Poor girl did look quite dejected though. On a related note - Sunohara + Tomoyo + Male Toilet = Blushing Annoyed Tomoyo + Half Dead Sunohara.

We need more blushing Tomoyo, but preferably minus the annoyed part. XD

Ryou chan really got caught up in the moment for a moment there. XD I wonder exactly HOW disappointed she was when she realised what Nagisa really was asking her? XD On a related note, Tomoya and Sunohara need some applause for carrying out such a dangerous plan under the watchful eye of Kyou-chan. XD XD I can just imagine the doujinshis that are now being created to cater to the Fujibayashi shimai Bi crowd. :heh:

Kyou really doesn't seem to be aware about how many times she's actually flashed her patsu at Tomoya and Sunohara it seems... :heh: ...anyway, speaking of Kyou... I wonder if Kyou convenes that mini courtroom we saw pretty often or whether this ep was special because of the circumstances? (Ryou getting her otome no kokoro corrupted by Tomoya and Sunohara) XD

Although Nagisa's the focal point of the story, she didn't actually get much scenes for herself this ep. Wonder how many eps will be devoted to Fuuko and if they'll actually conclude Ibuki sensei's situation at the same time, or leave it to run throughout the series? I suppose it's either Kotomi (if they use all the scenarios that can run with Nagisa first) or Tomoyo (If they go by the order of the girls starting from Fuuko) who'll get screen time after Fuuko's turn is up.

This ep has pushed Kotomi higher than Nagisa for me, although Tomoyo and Kyou still share first place right now. XD And Tomoyo's place is being eroded somewhat by Kyou's efforts. XD

A major LOL episode. XD Too many moe moments to boot too.

Takuto19

2007-10-26, 20:30

Anyone else feel like going up to Kotomi and giving her a hug? =)

cshard

2007-10-26, 20:32

*raises hand

Don't forget to share her lunch and compliment her as well. :heh:

EXEs

2007-10-26, 20:40

Whoa, Kotomi is very kawaii (I'd like to give her a hug too)

Confession scene and Tomoya kicking Sunohara back to Tomoyo were the funniest!!!

Kang Seung Jae

2007-10-26, 20:47

Anyone else feel like going up to Kotomi and giving her a hug? =)

Yes, because she's: 1. Cute as Heaven 2. Bookworm 3. Violin Player

KaneDragon

2007-10-26, 20:55

Kotomi vs Fuko for next year's Saimoe, that match would be epic.
Not going to happen. Everyone knows that next year's final will be between a Nanoha character and a Rozen Maiden character.:rolleyes:
Think about what happened to Kanon. Clannad probably won't do that well, either, for whatever reason.

More love for Kotomi-chan. ;_;

boggart

2007-10-26, 21:25

Noooo... I am outnumbered by the ones who Kotomi has touched with her moe-ness... ToT

I will admit... the *pat pat* thing nearly affected me... :p

OceanBlue

2007-10-26, 21:48

Great episode, I too enjoyed it more than the last one. Man...Kotomi turning around really was perhaps the cutest scene ever. I'm loving her more and more now, despite having the least amount of screentime out of any of the main girls.

Kyou's still my favorite, though. Loved her pwnage of Tomoya and Sunohara. She's like Kagami Hiiragi, only more violent, which ends up being funnier.

I still don't really hate any of the characters yet, which is a good thing. I'm hoping they wrap up Fuuko's story quickly, within the next episode or two. That'll likely mean they'll move along fast enough to cover most of the stories (even if some may be abridged...so long as Nagisa's after story gets its full share!).

Well, I think I'd have a problem if Fuuko's story was wrapped up in one episode. One problem I had with Kanon [I'm sorry I have to compare Clannad to Kanon, but...] was that the pacing for some of the character's story arcs weren't as good as they could have been. I don't want my Clannad experienced dampened because they rushed through it.

I loved this episode. The shoujo-ai scene was great, and the fact that I'm a Kyou/Ryou fanboy made it a whole lot better.

I don't know why, but I didn't enjoy Kyou's headlock as much as her flying kick.

The episode felt a little rushed on Fuuko's part. Her personality switch was too sudden, and I would have liked to see a little development as to Tomoya knowing Fuuko before she changed her personality a little bit.

Overall, it was a nice episode. 9/10.

Zaris

2007-10-26, 22:14

Well, I think I'd have a problem if Fuuko's story was wrapped up in one episode. One problem I had with Kanon was that the pacing for some of the character's story arcs weren't as good as they could have been. I don't want my Clannad experienced dampened because they rushed through it.

Don't fret about it. When the same anime company adapts consecutive games from the same producers with a similar story structure over consecutive years, it's natural to try to draw relations. As for each story being wrapped up in a single episode, I seriously doubt that it's going to end in just one. And to be honest, predictable as it looks, we've witnessed to little to draw such conclusions.

It's a shame that such a well-crafted, suspenseful buildup at the end of episode three had all its energy shunt to mere exposition again during this week's episode's prelude. Fortunately, it's the only downer of this week in my opinion. Episode four is just a relaxing field trip - nothing particularly important you need to remember other than the dense matter at the end for your exam. The overall trip itself, on the other hand, is an entertaining sightseeing tease, dwarfing any negative complaints into mere mention. My personal highlights:

- The sound of the straw going up Fuko's nose
- Nagisa x Ryou. [i]Nice ideaaa~
- Chain Combo @950
- Kotomi's usual quirkiness

These bits have probably already been discussed in the 117 posts before me so I won't elaborate further. This episode's been enjoyable, but I'm looking forward to getting into the more serious subjects eluded in the coming installments.

Hope KyoAni has vented enough of their sexual frustrations by now.

toxic_trance

2007-10-26, 23:04

Frankly I wouldnt be very happy to see An Ayu-like ending for Ibuko..and i am counting on the fact that KyoAni and KEY are smarter than this to actually repeat the Kanon stories again. All we can hope is that KyoAni deliver their regular awesomeness and Kawaii Ibuko-chan stays with us till the whole 24 episodes

Coming to KyoAni and KEY.. one really has to compliment them on how one can use a concept like harem..use the typical genre girls and still manage to make all of them Unique and amazing not only in the KEY universe..but in the whole history of Harem. Ever since i have become an Otaku..i have seen many many harems, but its amazing how u end up remembering the faces, names and everything about the KyoAni-KEY girls

And Lastly..again.. I bow down to KyoAni and KEY for making the best Silent Girl in the history of Anime. Kotomi-chan has had only a few minutes of Airtime..but she is already there in my ever fave list of Anime Girls. In fact, I would go as far as to say that... she can actually compete in my list of girls for whom I fell for the quickest. I think the fastest was Sakura( CCS and Tsubasa Chronicles), then Belldandy, and I think she can very well compete with Chi(Chobits) for the third spot

:love: Kotomi-chan DAI suki :love:

Edgewalker

2007-10-26, 23:12

Confession scene was the funniest thing ever...If this goes on throughout the series Clannad is going to end up with a comedy tag in its genre.

Kang Seung Jae

2007-10-26, 23:15

:love: Kotomi-chan DAI suki :love:

私はことみを愛している.

I LOVE Kotomi.

toxic_trance

2007-10-26, 23:21

Everyone Loves Kotomi..who wont with that 90 degree turn and flapping the side

Ascaloth

2007-10-26, 23:22

Yes, because she's: 1. Cute as Heaven 2. Bookworm 3. Violin Player 4. Free Lunch

Fixed for accuracy. :D

mickal555

2007-10-26, 23:39

Funny episode, many laughs, and smiles.

Except, Fuko sounds waaaaaaaaay too much like Ayu, hostpital ghost girl...

Wrath88

2007-10-26, 23:55

Fuko's 'kaishite kudasai' is really cute. But who would have realized that she's the one everyone is school was talking about. The Chain Combo one was super funny too.

ApostleOfGod

2007-10-27, 00:21

Best episode yet.
1) Chain combo FTW.
2) The RPG part was pretty jokes too.
3) Tomoyo is ballin.

IRJustman

2007-10-27, 00:42

I know, that pat pat of love is so nice.. I'm surprised that tomoya rejected that offer. I would of sat there even if i didn't know astrophysics.

I think Tomoya rejected it only because it seemed a bit forward even to him. If anything, I would have figured that Tomoya's original meeting with Kotomi would have resulted in him scaring her off. Instead, I think she might be scaring him a bit more.

In the meantime, count me as another fan of Kotomi's moe-age~! And nice stems indeed. ;)

--Ian.

Forever

2007-10-27, 01:02

Yes, because she's: 1. Cute as Heaven 2. Bookworm 3. Violin Player 4. Free and delicious lunch

Fixed for increased accuracy. :)

There are some bread I wont eat even for free.

Kang Seung Jae

2007-10-27, 01:05

Yes, because she's: 1. Cute as Heaven 2. Bookworm 3. Violin Player 4. Free and tasty lunch 5. Out-of-this-world quirkiness

Edited for even more accuracy.

Cloud3X

2007-10-27, 02:23

some reason it feels like tomoyo's kicks are being added up episode to episode... cause the combo counter looks as if it skipped a few hundred numbers from episode to episode...

mickal555

2007-10-27, 02:25

some reason it feels like tomoyo's kicks are being added up episode to episode... cause the combo counter looks as if it skipped a few hundred numbers from episode to episode...
It's a total number, from all the episodes.

Cloud3X

2007-10-27, 02:41

yea cause i heard many people say that the combos are started from 0 each ep... soo this confirms it then... ep2 528 ep3 744 then 1013 in ep4 soo she had most combos in ep 2... 528 in ep 2, 216 in ep 3 and 269 in ep 4

boggart

2007-10-27, 02:43

I honestly think that kick-count is getting old... T_T... It was funny at first but after the second ep, it's gone stale...

MingShun

2007-10-27, 03:13

I wonder if I'm taking this a little too literally, but Botan floated moments after Sunohara went up to Ryou.

i.e. When pigs fly.

cshard

2007-10-27, 03:16

The kick counter is in the game in any case. Seeing as they're probably going to change parts of the source material to accommodate all of the girls routes, I think it's probably best to keep whatever can be faithful to the game as untouched as possible.

In any case, I do agree that this section of Tomoyo's route is a bit repetitive, but I suspect that they'll be toning down on it next ep, since they're already starting on Fuuko already.

KholdStare

2007-10-27, 03:28

10/10

Before this episode I rated this series 7/10 because it was kinda random without much drama, but this episode was actually funny and wow hilariously funny. I think I know what my next avatar will be.

ImpulseRAven

2007-10-27, 03:42

I honestly think that kick-count is getting old... T_T... It was funny at first but after the second ep, it's gone stale...

yea cause that chain combo wasn't full of win<.<

KholdStare

2007-10-27, 03:57

I laughed at the chain combo actually.

Kang Seung Jae

2007-10-27, 04:02

I honestly think that kick-count is getting old... T_T... It was funny at first but after the second ep, it's gone stale...

Yes, Tomoyo has other appeals.....

I'm STILL waiting for either the "Proving Tomoyo is a girl" or the Cherry Blossom scene to come on.

stonedzombie

2007-10-27, 04:07

I like the show and the characters, but honestly....it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. I'm holding out hope cause I love Air and Kanon so much.......hopefully we'll see some plot developments and twists down the road, cause so far its been pretty generic and expected. For those that have played the game......theres more to this story then just school romance right?

ImpulseRAven

2007-10-27, 04:09

between Tomoyo and Kyou, who's single kick has more impact?

holyman282

2007-10-27, 04:29

I'm just wishing that I can see Tomoyo in a scene other then her standing in the school corridor... Does she live there or something...lol..

Kang Seung Jae

2007-10-27, 04:36

between Tomoyo and Kyou, who's single kick has more impact?

We'll never know unless Tomoyo uses her full power.

She constantly says that she's restraining herself.

ImpulseRAven

2007-10-27, 04:42

hmm.....i wonder why sunohara trusts Toyoma so much? Toyoma seems like a bad friend to see how dumb he could make sunohara look while giving his fake confession thing<.<

Klashikari

2007-10-27, 04:42

between Tomoyo and Kyou, who's single kick has more impact?
Single kick, probably Kyou's. Compare how Youhei was owned in episode 3 or ep4 (with the single full force kick), and it is kinda comparable though factors should be taken into account i guess :heh:

I'm just wishing that I can see Tomoyo in a scene other then her standing in the school corridor... Does she live there or something...lol..
Well, as far as you can see at the earlier times of the game (well... as far as i could see, starting the game slowly with secondary character , avoiding spoilers :heh:), they meet tomoyo either when she is back from somewhere else (which is hinted in this episode, when she says she is busy... probably because of the elections), because youhei often wait for her around her class. (that's how the first encounter happened: youhei "ambushed" Tomoyo when she was back from beating the bikers up)
The director probably cut the useless "momentum" of Youhei camping for his "prey" :heh:

hmm.....i wonder why sunohara trusts Toyoma so much? Toyoma seems like a bad friend to see how dumb he could make sunohara look while giving his fake confession thing<.<
We don't know how they actually befriended before and how their friendship was strengthened since then for 2 years (assuming if they indeed meet each other when they were freshmen).
Even though they are very different, they share common "beliefs" and boredom. And since the pranks etc aren't that serious, it doesn't affect Youhei or Tomoya that much.
Also, both needs "each other" so they can have some fun, though Tomoya isn't as excited as Youhei.

amoirsp

2007-10-27, 04:53

I'm just wishing that I can see Tomoyo in a scene other then her standing in the school corridor... Does she live there or something...lol..

I don't recall Kyoani explaining how or why, but you can probably generate the simple interpretation that they call her out specifically to such a location.

I rated a 10/10 only due to the simple fact that I could watch it through raw and sub and not have a momentum loss and enjoy the variety of different events. So easy to have bias when the show is on my favourite demographic and genre of this year.

And I find it funny how I see so many Kotomi moe commentary when her route has hardly been used (it's obvious given the massive air time difference), and was not in two episodes (the mains were in more). Well, since that route hasn't gotten very far at all, no idea what might be changed in the future. And of course with that little air time, the movement emphasis also exerts more personality.

Although I definitely dislike Kyoani repetitions, I suppose it is in repeated actions that is distasteful, not necessarily variations. So even if the kicks could get old, the meaning is not imposed from the kicks alone. It's the other idea that was key. The high numbers are probably to just play around with. I'm sure that's fun for the company, and likely much easier to deal with due to its simplicity. I'd rather have that than an unrelated cameo among sorts.

Well, I generally like episodes where many different things happen, so that's probably why I'm fine with the anime among other bias. Though the Fuuko spark made the episode blend rather well, or at least I thought better than previous ones. Better on pacing, but wow, the timing I do find early (it would feel like Makoto usage in kanon 2006, then no air time from episodes 11 to 22 or something lol). I thought Nagisa incorporation was a little better. Previous episodes have huge pace loss when transitioning to half an episode on Nagisa (though it's not momentum loss due to relevance to story).

Merging in the early episodes, then segmenting sooner does make later segmented episodes more reasonable, slightly.

Now this episode was called "Search for Friends" and although I didn't read every page of the thread, I don't recall a large emphasis on the fact that Tomoya didn't seek Miyazawa (now that could be because of later emphasis, or that she finds them, not the other way around, like coincidental or timely meetings from episode 3). Well, this is an anime-only speculation, but I did wonder indefinitely.

ImpulseRAven

2007-10-27, 04:57

or toyoma could just have that i like to use people for my own amusement additude,(in the good name of fun of course). i don't really think that there really close friends, more so people that can relate to each other and hang out. I only get this vibe cause Toyoma didn't even know he had a younger sister and sunohara blurts out about the he hates club activities thing w/o knowing about Toyoma's disability.

Klashikari

2007-10-27, 05:07

^ yeah, they are much more "buddies" than close friends.
Though Youhei isn't exactly as "stupid" as he might be shown, despite his complete erratic and childish behaviour :heh:

Considering Youhei is still very sensititve to Tomoya's changes, you can tell they are not "simple buddies" though ^^

deathreape98

2007-10-27, 05:59

woot! 1k hits reached! :D

great episode, was hilarious. funny that they censored youhei's face after getting owned by tomoya and okazaki. great cliffhanger, too.

hilarious moment on the rooftop...

10/10

s[H]sIkuA

2007-10-27, 06:00

I laugh till my stomach pain when watching this episode

"I forgot to bring my bre** , can lend me yours?" LOLOLOL :D :D :D

Kinny Riddle

2007-10-27, 06:14

Quoted for emphasis. Ryou accepted Nagisa's confession before she realized it wasn't a confession. This is vital intelligence. :D:D:D
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/441/falseconfessionks9.th.jpg (http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=falseconfessionks9.jpg)

An absolutely brilliant plan by Tomoya. On behalf of all male fans around the world, I salute you. ;_;

Ryou-chan, we'll still like you even if you are "bi" like your sister. :cool:

Skane

2007-10-27, 06:19

It's a total number, from all the episodes.
yea cause i heard many people say that the combos are started from 0 each ep... soo this confirms it then... ep2 528 ep3 744 then 1013 in ep4 soo she had most combos in ep 2... 528 in ep 2, 216 in ep 3 and 269 in ep 4
Actually, if you slow down the video and examine it frame by frame, the counter always starts from 0 in each episode.

Cheers.

iamandragon

2007-10-27, 06:21

This episode deserves at least 7 out of 10, but I'm voting for 3 out of 10.

It seems like the staffs in KyoAni are a bit overjoyed with the success from the previous episodes, and have slacked off quite a bit. The scene cuts are not right, and sometimes the character's faces are lazily drawn, and sometimes the positioning of the characters are not right.

The quick series of scene changes in the beginning feels unnecessary, and it completely takes off the image of Tomoya--if they want to do the rumbling fingers of Tomoya, it'll be better have him do it on the window or wall. Flashing all the scenes so quickily around not only seems unnatural, but it also makes the viewers dizzy.

Next is Sunohara's face---it is completely off at times. True that KyoAni was trying to draw Sunohara slacking off, but it seems their artist is also doing so. There are many different ways to draw a relaxed face rather than it is now. Same to when he got kicked out of the building, those trilling eyes just look weird--his face looked like those anime targeting 4 years old kids.(maybe not that extreme...)

And it seems like Botan is not the Botan from the game--but let's put that aside...the Yuri scene is forced--I don't find it funny at all, in fact, it feels uncomfortable, but that might just because of me. Tomoya's face is not positioned right when Nagisa said 'I have something to say, would you please listen to me?' and after Ryou responded with a 'Yes' When Tomoyo spoke, it didn't look like it's him speaking, but it sounds more like a mysterious voice from outside the screen. The scene draw the focus of our eyes to Nagisa too much and it's hard for us to notice Tomoya's lips moving.

Kyou's eyes! When in the classroom after the Yuri scene her eyes looked very, very lifeless before the close-up. Would it be fixed in the DVD release?

And in Sunohara's 'confession' to Tomoyo--after he did his bowling stance, Tomoyo's face appeared for a split second, but if her face appeared for a bit longer to emphasis on the silence of her it would be much better. Tomoyo's kick is getting repetitive and boring, ever since the last episode.

The final part on Fuko is a bit too sudden, but it can't be helped because her arc has to be ended by episode 6...

Dispite these, the animation is still top notch. A very good episode, but not good compared to the past three--I hope the staffs in KyoAni get well and make a better episode for episode 5.

Well, as usual, I made a collection of smiley moments of this episode. I'm getting addicted to windows movie maker...
smiley moments of episode 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoUAABnvin4)

mickal555

2007-10-27, 06:25

Actually, if you slow down the video and examine it frame by frame, the counter always starts from 0 in each episode.

Cheers.

I just did that, and from what I saw it comes in with three random numbers by themselves, then starts from where it was last episode...

DazarGaidin

2007-10-27, 06:39

This is the best episode so far. 1000+ combo chain, the hilarious 'confession' and the ayu knockoff development are all win :D

Skane

2007-10-27, 06:40

I just did that, and from what I saw it comes in with three random numbers by themselves, then starts from where it was last episode...
Which RAW are you using to examine? I'm using [Moyism]'s RAWs for the record. It definitely does not start from three digits.

Cheers.

Klashikari

2007-10-27, 06:45

mickal555

2007-10-27, 06:46

Skane

2007-10-27, 07:07

the thing is the numbers are quite random and not on the same place where the counter should be. Rather it starts from 0 to 2 other numbers from the left to the middle, then back with the three digits at the right with the "hits".
Basically, it is more like an animation to show that the kick counter is appearing. Otherwise, they would show the 000 and jumps already.

And considering how the "proportions" are kept from previous to next episode, it is safe to assume the counter is saving the kicks dealt to Youhei from the start.

Yeah, that's what I'm understanding.
Not that safe, since Ep03's counter ended at 0740, which is definitely not where Ep04's counter jumps to.

Ep01 - Unknown
Ep02 - Start-0 Mid-0083 End-0528
Ep03 - Start-7 Mid-0521 End-0740
Ep04 - Start-0 Mid-0538 End-1013

^ Mid refers to the first frame in which all four digits are visible.

Additionally, it is a 4-digit counter, not three. The first digit that appears is the last digit, with the other digits appearing in rapid succession. The counter does not, I repeat, does not continue from the previous episode's counter.

Cheers.

Owaranai Destiny

2007-10-27, 07:52

Hmm...

I've got mixed feelings on episode 4 here. The humor was there, all right, but my laughter didn't really last this time.

-Nice to know that we're getting fed regarding the stories of our female characters bit by bit, and the first arc up should be Fuuko's especially if such an assuming revelation was thrown into our face about her strange habit of staying in school all the time. She probably is related to the car accident, though.

-Tomoyo's part on wanting to be the student council president. If all goes well, she might play a significant role in helping the theater club set up. What interests me as well is her 'effort' to trying to be more womanly. Apparently it isn't working with Sunohara around, but perhaps they could put a little emphasis into this during her arc, or along the way.

-The confession scene was funny, but not THAT funny, now that I think back about it. It would be great if EVERYONE added fuel to the fire about the misunderstanding, but apparently Sunohara has a one-tracked mind about Pervert-ism here.

I do like how the personality of some characters are being played out. For example, with the simply action of pointing at Tomoya and Sunohara about the selection of theater club members, one can tell she's more or less acting like a tomboy she seems to be. Nagisa's refusal of beating up the student council president is in line with her attitude. They added a slight bit of difference to Tomoyo's personality as well, too after her apparent concern when kicking Sunohara reflexively and getting thoroughly riled up after all that harassment. Not the 'ice-queen' people make her out to be, but a high-school girl who's has her own genuine troubles and concerns.

Aside from that, Fuuko continues to be strange in her own way, while Kotomi remains the oddball. I find the latter more endearing, though. That's what you get for geniuses. :p

Animation quality didn't seem too good in some scenes, but I like the small touches of using game elements in an attempt to heighten the humorous atmosphere...Not that it was completely successful, unfortunately.

A 8/10 from me. Somehow the pace seems to have slowed down a little bit, at least for me, so the pacing was a little more enjoyable in a sense.

EDIT: Oops...Pressed the wrong one. >_<

holyman282

2007-10-27, 08:28

This episode deserves at least 7 out of 10, but I'm voting for 3 out of 10.

That's a bit harsh, are you sure, you're not just setting your expectations too high just because it's Kyo.. Would your score be any different if it were another anime studio? Cause it certainly deserved at least above average ratings, I would so far as to give it a 9 for the humour.

Next is Sunohara's face---it is completely off at times. True that KyoAni was trying to draw Sunohara slacking off, but it seems their artist is also doing so. There are many different ways to draw a relaxed face rather than it is now. Same to when he got kicked out of the building, those trilling eyes just look weird--his face looked like those anime targeting 4 years old kids.(maybe not that extreme...

I found Sunhora's "off" face to be part of the humour and would like to think Kyo did it on purpose to show his quirky personality.

iamandragon

2007-10-27, 09:18

That's a bit harsh, are you sure, you're not just setting your expectations too high just because it's Kyo.. Would your score be any different if it were another anime studio? Cause it certainly deserved at least above average ratings, I would so far as to give it a 9 for the humour.

Certainly, but the high expectations didn't come from KyoAni, but from the previous episodes. And like I said, it still deserves a 7 out of 10 even with this. But I just pressed the wrong button by accident.

Sunohara's face...it is of the quality of those faces in the childish animes like pokemon, an anime I certainly don't want to be reminded of...

Proto

2007-10-27, 10:47

Maybe most of you have forgotten already, but there were legions of people complaining of Kanon slow start back then. You can't have meaningful and moving scenes in you haven't had time to know characters. Introductions exist for that reason. Now let's try to stop wanting everything feed to us from the start, and let the story flow by itself. It is only by the end of the series that you would be able to say if the start was slow but meaningful or otherwise anyway. ;)

arkxkra

2007-10-27, 12:06

wow, this anime is just nice, especially the combo skill, nice combo, total 1013 hits, impresive... :heh:
Another part i feel very funny 1 is when Ryou misunderstood Nagisa of the "confession".
Btw, is the Fuko case similar to Ayu case, another spirit come out...

devilfire

2007-10-27, 12:41

This show is so great!!! I can't wait for the Movie!!!

iamandragon

2007-10-27, 12:45

This show is so great!!! I can't wait for the Movie!!!

Don't look forward to it too much...it's by Toei. Look what they have done to Kanon...

Shiroth

2007-10-27, 12:54

Kotomi at her ultimate best:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/Angelsama/Kotomi.gif

Quakis

2007-10-27, 13:35

Great episode, found it rather hilarious (most Sunohara scenes) and cute (Kotomi) and rather sad (Tomoyo...Fuuko... :() This series so far has deffinitely pleased me thus far, and still quite a while to go, hope the rest doesn't dissapoint me.

Kaioshin Sama

2007-10-27, 13:47

Don't look forward to it too much...it's by Toei. Look what they have done to Kanon...

Look what they've done period.

Also just a side note, I don't watch previews so I have not idea what is coming next episode.

sapphirearcz

2007-10-27, 13:50

Did anybody saw the stats of sunohara and nagisa when the RPG part was shown?? Sunohara's Useless Stats is 92 O.O

IRJustman

2007-10-27, 13:56

Don't look forward to it too much...it's by Toei. Look what they have done to Kanon...

That's an unfair comparison. At this point, you're comparing apples to oranges. Toei's Kanon (a TV series) used a radically different character design and animation style from their AIR motion picture.

And don't count Toei out simply because "it's Toei". Yes, their take on the story will be somewhat different, owing to the fact that they have a lot less time in which to tell a story. Plus I think Key still has to sign off on the story as well. They probably know about as well as Toei that 80-110 minutes is an awfully short timespan to get a good story started, going, and ended.

Anyway, I still am looking forward to it myself. I'm curious how they will handle story density for a feature-length motion picture.

--Ian.

IRJustman

2007-10-27, 14:04

I wonder if I'm taking this a little too literally, but Botan floated moments after Sunohara went up to Ryou.

i.e. When pigs fly.

Your message made me think of the following quote from the Internet Engineering Task Force's humor files, notably RFC 1925 - The Twelve Networking Truths (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925):

(3) With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead.

The rest of it, as well as all the other "April 1st RFCs", are always great for a laugh. ;)

--Ian.

BakaOnna

2007-10-27, 16:26

I don't get why people are complaining about the slow past. If anything, I like Clannad's pace a lot better than Kanon's. It took 7 episodes of Kanon to get the first character arc, while it only took 4 in Clannad.

Although I loved Kanon, I like Clannad's pacing a lot more. Kanon started out a bit too slow for my taste, which is why I took a half year hiatus before I decided to restart it again. :heh:

Zaris

2007-10-27, 17:01

Pacing is really based on how you compare the events of the original to the events of the adaptation. If you knew anything about the CLANNAD game at all, you would probably complain about one or the other depending on which one you liked best. But if you're like me and know nothing about it, then the pacing of this show would appear just right.

I advise don't judge CLANNAD's pace until you've seen the whole thing from beginning to end. And don't compare it to Kanon either; it's like apples and oranges.

shomazta

2007-10-27, 20:32

Kotomi at her ultimate best:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/Angelsama/Kotomi.gif

I loved that scene!

This episode was hillarious... and then sad :( Yet I loved every second of it! ... I'm glad that we got to see more of Tomoya's character this episode as well and that we're finally "digging" into the (what I assume is) the storyline... and that part where Sunohara was being all perverted... I loved those scenes too

http://i22.tinypic.com/zwl0dx.png (http://moetaku.com/forum/se_redirect.php?url=http://i23.tinypic.com/9i8rpi.png) http://i21.tinypic.com/2uhy3pc.png (http://moetaku.com/forum/se_redirect.php?url=http://i21.tinypic.com/5vmzvs.png)
...... "Nice Idea" ............................. "This is turning me on"
She's apparently the Ghost of a Hospitalized girl ;) She's not quite the same as Ayu tho... definitely not a shy person...

Edgewalker

2007-10-27, 23:43

Im looking forward to Kotimi's main arc. She's just so bazaar that you know theirs gotta be something interesting behind her.

ImpulseRAven

2007-10-28, 03:54

Kotomi at her ultimate best:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/Angelsama/Kotomi.gif

Kotomi is just way to cute_-_

Eviltape

2007-10-28, 05:55

Kotomi at her ultimate best:
<snip>This makes me smile. She acted like Erika Vermillion from Mahoraba ~Heartful Days~ in that scene. Strange comparison, but the people who watched that get what I mean.

Noppapana

2007-10-28, 08:52

the definitions of weird person of fuko is great laugh
honestly i didnt it would so much fun in clannad

Kinny Riddle

2007-10-28, 14:16

eMpTy265

2007-10-28, 16:24

Anyone notice the gamebook on the table in Sunohara's room in 14:59-15:01? That's the same silly mini-game book that you could "play" in the Clannad VN itself.

The first part started off as a bishoujo game, then suddenly becomes a zombie slaying adventure game. WTF? lol

Just further shows Kyoani's attention to details I suppose...
(and I suppose the boom-box got cut out from the 4:3)

... just out of curiousity, how many times have you rewatched the episode? :)

Baka-yuki

2007-10-28, 17:20

Kotomi at her ultimate best:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/Angelsama/Kotomi.gif

That and the confession/theater club misunderstanding were great.
Sad way to cap it off though, but now I need ep. 5!

kimchipride

2007-10-28, 18:11

Sunohara Youhei wants to join the party

What will you do?
Slay
Smoke Bomb
Magic

"Why is there no "let him join" option?"

I thought this was pretty funny. No one is mentioning it though.

monir

2007-10-28, 21:06

If they'd focus half as much on other things as they do on the kicking this would be a much better show.
I agree to an extent in regards to episode 2 and 3. Episode 4, on the other hand, has a lot of things going on that makes it a better episode.

It looks like this show has exhausted it's stable of comedy after a mere 4 episodes. They really oughta switch to drama mode next episode.
I must disagree with both of those sentences. :) You know the comedy is still intact when a guy readily compliments a girl in a verbal barrage and then proceeds to ask her to make him breakfast every morning while doing Indian squat. For a second there I was mistaking that up-down motion for a side-to-side motion adjacent to the waist. What a terrible imagination to have. :o And at the same time episode 4 had tangible dramatic moments going on from several aspect. Tomoyo actually has a feminie side and.. and.. if all the indications point to the same direction then it is Sunohara who most likely to sweep Tomoyo off her feet??? :twitch: The real shocker (or at least for me) was the revealation surrounding Ibuki Fuko. I really didn't expect it to come out as it did and so early in the series. This can only means the show is barely scratching on the surface of drama the series has to offer. *gulp* The organization was superior as well to the previous two episodes. I really couldn't get into the story for the last two episodes while this episode was so easy to digest.

And Kotona, oh my gosh, she is such an adorable creature even in the midst of everything that is adorable the Key is so fond of overloading with (in everyone of their medium.) Let's see if anyone has already made a request for a gif in the gif thread for that particular Kotomi movement. :)

holyman282

2007-10-28, 22:23

Tomoyo actually has a feminie side and.. and.. if all the indications point to the same direction then it is Sunohara who most likely to sweep Tomoyo off her feet???

I doubt Sunohora even has a chance with Tomoyo, no matter how he confronts her, their character just don't match. In fact I find Tomoya and Tomoyo a better match and it's even indicated by Sunohora that Tomoyo and Tomoya are on the same wavelength.

todkapuz

2007-10-28, 22:44

I think the only thing I have to say about this episode is "Kotomi-CHAN~~~~~~~" hehe... one of my friends turned similar to that once ... in a skirt no less... but.. Kotomi-chan does it with such much more moe-appeal :) ...

I also loved the chain kick... "Sorry... I kinda kicked out of reflex"

and yes, the pre-accepted "confession" was really good too :) This episode had a much better mix of elements.... it's the first to get a reasonable mark from me so far (on the vote) :)

FatPianoBoy

2007-10-28, 22:47

and yes, the pre-accepted "confession" was really good too :)
I think Ryou would have accepted just about anything Nagisa said near the end of that conversation :heh:
Poor Ryou - so easily convinced. That's going to get her into trouble one day :uhoh:

holyman282

2007-10-28, 23:32

You know I was just rewatching ep 4 again and found funny that Fuko would say that Sunohora's hair colour is unnatural.. Makes me wonder has she seen girls like Kyou or Ryou reguarding unnatural hair colour or even Tomoyo

Divini

2007-10-28, 23:48

Master Chibi

2007-10-29, 00:49

I'd rather Suno and Tomoyo get together / hook up / making muffins / house the homless then to listen to any of these other girls dribble on, because at this point it's the only thing really keeping my interest.

I mean sure, the girls are cute and all, but it's still flat.

ElementSun

2007-10-29, 00:52

Rofl at the RPG scene XD

topboy

2007-10-29, 01:22

Epi1&2 = introduction character = a bit too fast ( i like kanon style)
Epi 3 = too many joke that not funny.worse Epi
Epi 4 = even many joke in Epi but Omigod it's all funny.

So Epi 4 is the best of 4 Epi for me.

ImpulseRAven

2007-10-29, 04:12

You forget in the world of anime purple, blue, and red hair is pretty natrual :D

yea normal hair color's are awkward, btw you forgot pink,green, ect.....

outcast_within

2007-10-29, 05:06

Kotomi at her ultimate best:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/Angelsama/Kotomi.gif

hurray for slow cute not living on this planet woman

Sinestra

2007-10-29, 07:48

Man Sunohara can take punishment no human. But iv noticed that him challanging Tomoyo is actually serving a purpose as we have gotten small glimpes into her personality from certain comments that he has made. This would be the second episode where she looked sad at the end of the ass kicking. Tomoya quick thinking lead to Sunohara being treated like badmitten. It shocked the shit out of me that he actually kicked him back at Tomoyo and she chun li lighting his ass again.

I see the speculatuion about Sunohara and Tomoyo is starting i thought it would after this episode. The evidence has already been laid that if anyone is going to capture Tomoyo's heart its going to be Tomoya. The episode even mentioned that he and her are on the same wavelength. Also, i dont know if this is big deal but i pay a lot of attention to OP's since a lot of times there are hints about the story in it. Tomoyo is enterence in the OP is more grand tha anyone elses and she is also the last one to appear and the has the most screentime in the OP. ITs hard to explain but go look it you will see what im talking about.

Fuko Ibuko arc should be sad yet interesting. I honestly had not even considered she could be the ghost that everyone was talking about. Its a little sad but at least we know she is not dead just in a comma. Clannad's has the amazing ability to tell things in such detail. Im speechless most of the time when i watch. 9/10 great episode

The Chaos

2007-10-29, 08:29

good Ep but did Sunohora acutely really think she a boy till now ??
and the part when she hits I want to be 1111 hits but they stopped at 1013 ??
and nice joke when Sunohora and Tomoya say a boy well ask her out ??
there so much going with thees Ep really love it.........

shomazta

2007-10-29, 08:35

I just watched episode four subbed by a different group and I can't help but to keep laughing at sunohara... definitely the best character in clannad... in my opinion at least :D ... freaking hilarious "huu huu Niice I De uhh huu huu"

Eisdrache

2007-10-29, 11:47

Well, to be honest I cant stand all this comparison of game and anime ... and Kanon with CLANNAD too. I really enjoyed this episode :)

Tomoya and Sunohara following Fuko outside and all of the 'weird' talk.
One-Two, One-Two <3
Sunohara taking Tomoyo into Mens bathroom.
Tomoyos blushing/will to change
Roof scene
Sunohara and Tomoya disagreeing with joining the theater club.
The chain combo was fantastic XD
Kotomi really is moe <3

Sinestra

2007-10-29, 11:54

good Ep but did Sunohora acutely really think she a boy till now ??
.

Remember Sunohara said that there is no way a girl could be that strong. So in his deluded twisted mind he deduced that she has to be a male. Its his way of dealing with the pain of being owned by a girl day after day.

holyman282

2007-10-29, 14:42

I see the speculatuion about Sunohara and Tomoyo is starting i thought it would after this episode. The evidence has already been laid that if anyone is going to capture Tomoyo's heart its going to be Tomoya. The episode even mentioned that he and her are on the same wavelength. Also, i dont know if this is big deal but i pay a lot of attention to OP's since a lot of times there are hints about the story in it. Tomoyo is enterence in the OP is more grand tha anyone elses and she is also the last one to appear and the has the most screentime in the OP. ITs hard to explain but go look it you will see what im talking about.

As for the tomoyo tomoya thing i've been saying that hint for quite a while about them being on the same wavelength.

True Tomoya has a pretty long appearance in the OP but if you look closely the longest would probably have to be Kyou.

Sinestra

2007-10-29, 15:29

As for the tomoyo tomoya thing i've been saying that hint for quite a while about them being on the same wavelength.

True Tomoya has a pretty long appearance in the OP but if you look closely the longest would probably have to be Kyou.

hum.......... i didnt notice that thanks for the info im going to go look now.

Klashikari

2007-10-29, 16:00

DazarGaidin

2007-10-29, 16:32

Yeah but...basketball boob bounce FTW :D

eMpTy265

2007-10-29, 17:08

meh... not a complete accurate observation but: there isn't any girl "more dominant" than the rest.
Nagisa, Kyou and Tomoyo have 7 seconds sequence, while Fuko and Kotomi have 6 seconds (well... like 6.5 in fact)

nothing that important... maybe the order, but that's it.

Maybe the content that was displayed during the 6/7 sec character highlight?

Since usually the OP sequence gives quite a bit of info about how much we'll go into each character's path.

(Though I'm hoping that Kyoani will surprise us...)

Yeah but...basketball boob bounce FTW :D

LOL....

An example of the OP suggesting future events... (though I could assume that the kyou bounce was merely fanservice... not too likely for Kyoani though)

Klashikari

2007-10-29, 17:21

Maybe the content that was displayed during the 6/7 sec character highlight?

Since usually the OP sequence gives quite a bit of info about how much we'll go into each character's path.

(Though I'm hoping that Kyoani will surprise us...)

None of the content of each sequence seem to be more relevant than the others. It is quite a fair shared screentime they did for the 5 girls in the OP.

That said, the order might have some revelance, but that's all.
As for each girl path, since we don't know how are thei respective situation except Fuko and maybe Nagisa, not really possible to guess how they will alocate them (except maybe the gamers)

LOL....

An example of the OP suggesting future events... (though I could assume that the kyou bounce was merely fanservice... not too likely for Kyoani though)
Considering the game itself and how many "fanservice" shots could already happen in this series, it is merely a detail which match some realismnot really a fanservice (personally, i can't exactly see how it can be a fanservice thing so huh... :uhoh:)

dgreater1

2007-10-29, 17:49

Considering the game itself and how many "fanservice" shots could already happen in this series, it is merely a detail which match some realism not really a fanservice (personally, i can't exactly see how it can be a fanservice thing so huh... :uhoh:)

Removed by me

I didn't see the second rule of the thread guidelines, my mistake :bash:

Richard 23

2007-10-29, 18:04

Avoid Spoilers Please

I suppose it's too much to ask, but could people please refrain from saying things like so-and-so's arc is going to end the next episode or so and how far through a particular character's arc we are? Or I can't wait for such-and-such a scene where THIS happens.

<removed by mod for those fans who are still in the dark on this matter>

I don't think it adds to the discussion, it's a killjoy for people new to the series and it's potentially spoilerific. At least put these kinds of comments in spoiler tags, please. I don't like being aware that any particular character is going to disappear from the series, so please don't tell me about it.

I am watching this without any knowledge of the game's plot and would prefer to not have plot points spoiled because someone wants to display their superior knowledge of the game. It's understandable, but don't be tempted to spoil it for others, please.

Thanks for at least giving this some consideration.

Don't force me to not read AnimeSuki for the rest of the series.

Deathkillz

2007-10-29, 19:00

The tomoyo scenes just have to be the best for me XD the chain combo was something unexpected and dam...what happened to his face to be pixilated like that XD

I really like seeing how she is showing to be more that what she appears to be (which isnt something shocking but what the heck :p). So she actually think that she is a "normal girl"...quite interesting really...maybe sunohara will teach her the ways of being a lady (through getting battered...hey! its worth it if he can prove his point...which was? ^^). The thought about putting her into a dress just reminds me of mai...hopefully we will get another splended sight :)

kyou has splendid zettai ryouiki :3

on about fuko...i swear i am seeing deja vu :heh:
she probably isnt a ghost see as that trick has been used so many times...or even if she was...i be she has some connection with her sister (possession or whatever XD)

hit and miss humor as usual but pretty good.

DazarGaidin

2007-10-29, 20:43

Avoid Spoilers Please

I suppose it's too much to ask, but could people please refrain from saying things like so-and-so's arc is going to end the next episode or so and how far through a particular character's arc we are? Or I can't wait for such-and-such a scene where THIS happens.

<quoted revealation removed by mod>

I don't think it adds to the discussion, it's a killjoy for people new to the series and it's potentially spoilerific. At least put these kinds of comments in spoiler tags, please. I don't like being aware that any particular character is going to disappear from the series, so please don't tell me about it.

I am watching this without any knowledge of the game's plot and would prefer to not have plot points spoiled because someone wants to display their superior knowledge of the game. It's understandable, but don't be tempted to spoil it for others, please.

Thanks for at least giving this some consideration.

Don't force me to not read AnimeSuki for the rest of the series.

Yeah that snippet of spoiler info bothered me too :\ People seemed very eager to flex their game knowledge muscles :D

monir

2007-10-29, 21:41

I doubt Sunohora even has a chance with Tomoyo, no matter how he confronts her, their character just don't match. In fact I find Tomoya and Tomoyo a better match and it's even indicated by Sunohora that Tomoyo and Tomoya are on the same wavelength.
Because Sunohara and Tomoyo are no where near in the same wavelength, the charming Sunohara has a great chance with her by the virtue of the hypothesis, opposite attracts. :twitch::D I may be the only one seeing this, but I swear Tomoyo is softening up. A girl can take only so much even if she is Tomoyo. She is ready to break I tell you. Few more Indian squats should do the trick. :heh:

CrowKenobi

2007-10-29, 22:20

She is ready to break I tell you. Few more Indian squats should do the trick. :heh:Nah, Indian squats turn her off! :p It's Sunohara's bowling form that'll win her over! :D

:heh:

...but he has to roll a perfect game to pull that off! ;)

holyman282

2007-10-29, 23:38

meh... not a complete accurate observation but: there isn't any girl "more dominant" than the rest.
Nagisa, Kyou and Tomoyo have 7 seconds sequence, while Fuko and Kotomi have 6 seconds (well... like 6.5 in fact)

nothing that important... maybe the order, but that's it.

True but compare the number of different scenes during the OP for each character intro. When we see Kyou she has a total of 3 scene changes, the basketball bounce, walking with Tomoya with the bike and the first scene which i forgot. I checked other characters and sure they have around the same screentime but the amount of different scenes are far less.

Shiroth

2007-10-30, 08:09

A girl can take only so much even if she is Tomoyo. She is ready to break I tell you.
And that's when her story starts?

Sinestra

2007-10-30, 09:14

None of the content of each sequence seem to be more relevant than the others. It is quite a fair shared screentime they did for the 5 girls in the OP.

That said, the order might have some revelance, but that's all.
As for each girl path, since we don't know how are thei respective situation except Fuko and maybe Nagisa, not really possible to guess how they will alocate them (except maybe the gamers)

Thats basically what i was trying to point out maybe not so much emphsis on screen time but the order in which the appear maybe not the best observation but still something i feel was worth mentioning.

eMpTy265

2007-10-30, 11:37

Thats basically what i was trying to point out maybe not so much emphsis on screen time but the order in which the appear maybe not the best observation but still something i feel was worth mentioning.

So you're suggesting Fuko -> Tomoyo -> Kyou -> Kotomi -> Nagisa ?

(hmm... that would actually work...)

...

5 seconds pass...

なんでやねん (using a perfectly flat voice)

That sucks, so Tomoyo's going to get shafted, and Kyou as well? :frustrated:

(not too convincing after I've used one of Kotomi's signature tsukkomi)

In that case, I'd better start practicing my "なんでやねん" 's....

なんでやねん
なんでやねん
なんでやねん
なんでやねん...

Sinestra

2007-10-30, 13:39

So you're suggesting Fuko -> Tomoyo -> Kyou -> Kotomi -> Nagisa ?

(hmm... that would actually work...)

...

5 seconds pass...

なんでやねん (using a perfectly flat voice)

That sucks, so Tomoyo's going to get shafted, and Kyou as well? :frustrated:

(not too convincing after I've used one of Kotomi's signature tsukkomi)

In that case, I'd better start practicing my "なんでやねん" 's....

なんでやねん
なんでやねん
なんでやねん
なんでやねん...

Dont know if she will get shafted I would be totally upset if she did, but i swear im not crazy. I have watched the OP over and over and there is something there that is making every alarm in my head go off. I could be totally wrong as some others have pointed out or there might actually be something as some others have said as well. Its just driving me crazy at the moment and i cant stop thinking about it. Sigh oh well :p

eMpTy265

2007-10-30, 14:46

I have watched the OP over and over and there is something there that is making every alarm in my head go off.

You're not the only one. ;)

The only 'sad' scene in the OP was Nagisa in the snow, and maybe Kyou in the ??... the other scenes seemed too 'happy'

I'm expecting:

Tomoyo to get shafted, at least in the part where the romantic element is removed. (Not to mention missed flags in the anime so far... won't discuss as that'd be spoiling)

Kotomi will be a friend at best, since it's possible to go her route without the romance. (Since CLANNAD isn't a harem show)

As for Kyou:

The fact that they included the standing in the rain scene suggests that Kyou will be in a bit of drama.

Since it's obvious that she's not the lead female, Kyoani had better give a good resolution to this romantic interlude.

That being said... it's probably just my fault for expecting CLANNAD to be about romance, it is about 'family' afterall...

I must say Tomoyo's part in the opening has some of the weirdest scenes in the whole thing.

For one there is a a brown costume with a bunny like tail, and there was a wheelchair.

1.) It's a bear costume... much more signifficant in Tomoyo after, but it doesn't play an important role in the original CLANNAD route

2.) Keep an eye on the wheelchair scene.... it's sure to be important to Tomoyo's route (since it's in the OP... :p)

Thentus

2007-10-30, 18:25

I must say Tomoyo's part in the opening has some of the weirdest scenes in the whole thing.

For one there is a a brown costume with a bunny like tail, and there was a wheelchair.

boggart

2007-10-30, 22:20

For one there is a a brown costume with a bunny like tail, and there was a wheelchair.
I was thinking it was Nodame all over again with her mongoose suit... :heh:

orion

2007-10-30, 23:20

fuzzles

2007-10-31, 13:01

Well, Tomoyo isn't exactly inspiring any interest from me so far. They have my permission to shaft away. Especially if it means more Fuko and Nagisa and more Ryou x Nagisa moments. :heh:

I can't believe that Tomoyo was that stupid enough to think that she was acting like a female would in Japan. :twitch:

nah she was making friends and stuff so i guess she thought that was a positive, and she didn't exactly want to woop sunohara's ass and she seems to be active in school activities like that student council thing

Thentus

2007-10-31, 16:26

Well it's not like anyone was there to see Sunohara get killed, except for the first encounter of course.

eMpTy265

2007-10-31, 16:31

Well it's not like anyone was there to see Sunohara get killed, except for the first encounter of course.

And the one where he flies out the window... saved by the tree I suppose...

pirs

2007-10-31, 17:17

not the best, but great ep ^^

monir

2007-10-31, 17:34

And that's when her story starts?
That, I don't know. What I do know after watching 4 episodes, Tomoyo is a very blend character. I mean, she wouldn't even have any air time to do all those kicks if not for Sunohara who is always finding means to question her gender role. :p It would be cool if she is given more than a glimpse of personality than that has been seen in episode 4. Once again, Sunohara's name comes to mind if such feat comes to materialize. :cool:

Skane

2007-10-31, 18:07

FatPianoBoy

2007-10-31, 19:28

Tomoya: "Oh! It's Sunohara, and the question is... can she blend it?"

Hehe.
No, no, no:

Man in Labcoat: "But the question is: will it blend?"
*One minute later*
"Sunohara smoke - don't breathe this!"

Eviltape

2007-10-31, 21:06

monir

2007-11-01, 03:37

~ What I do know after watching 4 episodes, Tomoyo is a very blend character. ~
I think you meant 'bland'. :heh: It did give me a nice image of an embarrassed Tomoyo (dressed in an apron) blending Sunohara with her legs though. :D

Tomoya: "Oh! It's Sunohara, and the question is... can she blend it?"

Hehe.
:heh::heh:

Yes, she can blend in her own bland way.

Tomoya: "Oh! It's Sunohara, and the question is... can she blend it?"

Hehe.
No, no, no:

Man in Labcoat: "But the question is: will it blend?"
*One minute later*
"Sunohara smoke - don't breathe this!"
:heh:

ReinhartX

2007-11-02, 08:28

fuko seems to be similar to ayu-chan o.o.....i kinda like this episode too and the last part made me emo for some reason...the music is soo sad

GoldAlchemist

2007-11-02, 08:35

My guess is that...
The Fuko arc will be wrapped up soon (Makoto in Kanon, anyone?), with Tomoya soon after, as there isn't as much stress on Kyou/Kotomi's arcs. Nagisa's arc seems to be planned to go until the end.
That seems to be the plan thus far. This whole anime has a very strong Kanon 2006 feel in terms how its story progresses.
Nagisa <-> Ayu
Fuko <-> Makoto
Kotomi <-> Shiori
Kyou <-> Nayuki
Tomoyo <-> Mai

Ultima_Rasengan05

2007-11-04, 06:33

I'm a bit late in viewing this episode, but all I can say at the end of this episode was that Clannad has started to tell its first story arc and thats Fuuko's story.
It was shocking to hear that she was involved in a car accident a long time ago. So we can safely assume that she's doing an Ayu in Clannad. Her spirit is so intact with the living world that she creates an astral projection of herself and no one knows that she is a ghost...and maybe neither does Fuuko herself knows that the her real self is in a hospital bed sleeping in coma from the accident.

Oh yea and Kotomi's scene with Tomoya was cute. The way she moved her legs around after Tomoya called her Kotomi-Chan to get her attention. Plus her signal for Tomoya to come sit right next to her...so cute.:)
and Tomoyo feeling insulted after hearing what Tomoya said about Sunohara's trouble-making schemes and how he wants to prove that Tomoyo is really a boy and is too strong to be a normal girl. Now we know why she transferred schools and thats just for Tomoyo to start a new "image" of herself around people instead of the trouble maker she used to be in the past.